Antihistamine for baby with eczema?

(31 Posts)
Queenside Sat 20-Apr-13 21:51:27

Does anybody have any experience of the use of antihistamine for babies with eczema? Our baby wakes up miserable trying scratch her eczema and it seems to be getting worse despite our use of emollients.

I would imagine you would need to get it prescribed as even piriton isnt for children under the age of 1

HelloBear Sat 20-Apr-13 21:54:47

Talk to Gp about it. My DS has been prescribed antihistamines for his eczema but I really don't think it makes a significant difference. However it does make him a little drowsy which gives him and me some relief.

It's miserable I have sympathy for you.

Also the best thing we did was pushed for a referral to dermatologist.

ValiaH Sat 20-Apr-13 21:56:03

Our daughter has antihistamines twice a day, she's 8 months old. She seems to get on better at night with them- she still scratches, but less so, and she definitely wakes up less in the night- she was waking up scratching and crying because of the itch. We've also found that certain foods trigger her eczema, so cutting them out has helped a lot too. One other thing- have you come across scratch sleeves? I found out about them on here, and they're wonderful- scratch mitts that can't fall off.

HelloBear Sat 20-Apr-13 21:57:44

Oh and also get some scratch sleeves (amazon sells them) these made a huge difference to us. They stay on and are silk so cool on the skin.

Also how old is your Dd? Is she young enough to swaddle? I never swaddled my 1st dc but started to with DS and this is the other thing that made a massive difference, him physically not being able to itch.

HelloBear Sat 20-Apr-13 21:58:34

Cross post!

TiredFeet Sat 20-Apr-13 22:03:09

The Gp's fobbed me off by prescribing anti histamines for a while. To be honest if it is that bad (and I sympathise, ds was the same) then you need referral to dermatologist/ for allergy testing, and probably steroids. Allergy diagnosis and proper treatment transformed my son within weeks!
Scratchsleeves were also a life saver though and we still use them at night/ if he has a flare up

Anti histamines didn't seem to make much difference to ds sleep

yes.
we were first given them in order to take the itch away so that she wouldn't scratch while the cream/steroids worked.

for the first few nights it was amazing.
then it stopped "working"
we carried on with it when she was mega itchy.

anyway, long story, but it got that she would rub and scratch all night if she didn?t have it.
she git bigger and it stopped working so they gave us snother one with a bigger dose and said to use it twice a day whrn needed.
sometimes we need it twice but usually just once.

it's a total nightmare but she just gets so itchy sad

doesn't matter what creams we use or when we use steroid (sparingly).
the antihistamine is what keeps us sane

basically, it tells the body to calm down and chill. it stops the itching without affecting the cause.

Bear swaddling dd was like chaining an eel! grin
she screams and screams when you try to restrain her.

Queenside Sat 20-Apr-13 22:06:03

Thanks for all of your advice. I will talk to our GP.

Has anybody food any major food triggers?

Thanks for the scratch sleeves suggestion. She's 8 months old and relies on her thumb to get her to sleep so I think that would cause a new problem. Also she uses her toe nails to scratch behind her knees!

www.scratchsleeves.co.uk
please don't shop at amazon when scratch sleeves has their own website.
jeez.

hhhmmmm! bloody toe rubbing!
drives me mental!
even worse is she rubs while she's bfing, and therefore pulls my nipples to pieces! owwwwww
yy get gp to prescribe.

HelloBear Sat 20-Apr-13 22:10:50

Argh too old for swaddlig! To be honest we now are facing the joy of weaning him of swaddling which is turning out to be a bit of a nightmare! So ignor that suggestion grin

HelloBear Sat 20-Apr-13 22:11:55

Ok unique calm down, I was only trying to help!

grin not overreacting, just big anti-amazon.

ValiaH Sat 20-Apr-13 22:15:52

Our food triggers are pretty instant- so if she has dairy, tomatoes or lemon she scratches almost instantly. Same goes for if I have any dairy as I'm still bf'ing her, and she gets a reaction through my milk. We've not been allergy tested yet though- doctor just said that as she seems to be having a reaction to take things out of her diet.

PeggyL Sat 20-Apr-13 22:21:13

If you wanted something more natural, many people use our propolis cream which is excellent for eczema and psoriasis, especially for children, along with hand & face soap which i use in the bath with my two, far gentler on skin as the aloe vera in all the products make such a difference, especially to the little ones. Let me know if you want more info x

dd must be allergic to both sleep and waking up then because that's when she scratches most. wink
gp says it's the tired feeling and not knowing how to sleep.

have you got a link, please peggy ?

RawCoconutMacaroon Sat 20-Apr-13 22:31:42

I assume you've changed all the typical household triggers and that's not making any difference?

Triggers for my dh and 2 of our dc include washing powders (we only use non-bio), fabric conditioner (we don't use any!), perfumed soap, shampoos etc ( we use mostly organic, un perfumed).

Also some creams which have lanolin in, really make ds1 flare - he is also allergic to some animals, brazil nuts and as a baby also to strawberries.

Food triggers - gluten/wheat and other grains are very inflammatory, milk and soya fairly common... An exclusion of anything you suspect for a few weeks followed by eating that food for several days (it may take several exposures to make the skin break out), could identify food causes, if there are any.

It can be quite hard to identify some triggers as there might be a delay of a day or two between eating and breaking out.

RawCoconutMacaroon Sat 20-Apr-13 22:35:00

Oh op, the point of me mentioning ds1 being allergic to lanolin (but I forgot to get to the point!), is that its an ingredient in some creams - we were clarting it onto him, and actually making him worse!

we still can't find out dd's trigger.
lanolin actually helped her.but it's expensive.

TiredFeet Sun 21-Apr-13 07:14:12

Op my friend found their thumb sucking baby just sucks over the scratchsleeves

No way would I have worked out ds tiggers without specialist support and testing- he has so many allergies and some are instant reactions but some are delayed

MistyB Sun 21-Apr-13 07:31:48

Petroleum in the emollients was a trigger for my DS, as well as wheat, dairy, sugar, peanuts and sesame. Everyone is different it seems but eliminating was the key. (still is when new things randomly crop up like toothpaste!)

PeggyL Sun 21-Apr-13 10:35:51

Hi UniqueAndAmazing, here's the link, click on Enter Shop on the right hand side, got to Skincare and look at Propolis Creme, this is the cream that a lot of mummy's use on their kids for eczema, my friend bought one and put it on her DSs legs where eczema was really bad and by Tuesday, it had improved sooo much (and a little goes a LONG way!). I'd also recommend the Aloe Hand & Face Soap (under Personal Care), I use this in the shower and really helps my dry skin but also in the kids bath and is so much more gentle on their skin. Let me know if I can help any more or if you've any questions xx

http://www.alewis.myforever.biz/store

thank you peggy I'll gave a browse smile

twotrackmind Tue 23-Apr-13 18:34:48

Agree you need to find what is triggering the eczema. Try keeping a food diary. For DD it was milk and egg, both directly and through my breastmilk. GP prescribed Piriton and mild steroid creams help too.

SusanaD Tue 09-Jul-13 20:23:28

Hi , my lo (3mths) has had a bad bout of cheek eczema and was also admitted in the hospital for IV antibiotics as it had got infected and was taking too long to respond to the antibiotics. Here's what Ive learnt:
1. Keep baby moistuirized. ALL the time, there is never too much
2. Get your GP to prescribe you the different emollients available - and see what works best and whats the easiest to use. I use double base whne we go out as its easier to apply and can be put on frequently vs the more waxy ones which we use at night.
3. Baby will keep rubbing it off, so re point #1. Its never enough. The dryness is what makes it ichy. Just think of it like when you (may) get dry skin on your legs in the winter.
4. Try exclusion in your diet if your bf. But dont do it all at once. Go off one thing at a time. This may or may not help identify the trigger for baby's ezcema. It could also not be anything you're consuming. But its easier for you to control your diet that for your to control baby's. Get nutritional advise when you do this.
5. Antihistamines help. But use with discretion. I only use it when I see baby getting disturbed during the night. If your LO<1yr you will need the doc to prescribe it. Baby too needs to get some sleep or else both you and baby will be cranky all day.
6. Steroids can help too. Apparently they help in controlling the inflammation. but again, uses with discretion and under a docs guidance.
7. Keep baby cool. Fan in his room, windows open, cotton short body suits, lukewarm baths without any soap and a hand-held manual and battery fan when we are out doors.
8. Let baby get some sun and fresh air. Hopefully LO will tire out and get a good nights sleep - and so will you.
9. LO is a reincarnation of Houdini - gets out of every type of swaddle. Has even learnt to take his mitts off. So we now put a sock on one mitt at night so he cant use his favorite hand to pull off the other one.
10. Keep nails trimmed. Have ordered scratch sleeves. Hope they help.
11. Dont stress when dealing with baby, they can pick upon your vibes. I find that if I pick up baby when he is itchy and let his fall asleep on me; he sleeps better.
12. Love them a little bit more smile

Its not easy. Im struggling with it and baby is being brave thru it all. I just hoping he grows out of it. Some other bits of info/advice ive got:
1. Chamomile lotion
2. A cream called Stelatria which is good for itchy skin - any one heard of this or uses this? Where can i find it?

Good luck and more power to all you mums with LO's with eczema.

mum2twoloudbabies Wed 10-Jul-13 09:05:09

SusanaD point 12 I think you mean Stellaria cream, not sure about using it on one so little take advice and patch test, but it's an anti-itch natural remedy with chickweed.stellaria cream.

If you're concerned about the amount of chemicals/petroleum there are natural products here Mother and Baby. I have used the baby balm and baby lotion in conjunction to treat eczema on my DCs.

However, I am amazed at how many above have not had any form of allergy testing. DS has multiple food allergies and was diagnosed at 3mos with dairy allergy, he had the most horrendous eczema, and within a week of cutting dairy out of my diet his eczema had pretty much cleared up now he just gets normal patches of kids eczema. DS had blood tests at 6 mos for food allergies, although he was getting hives, swelling and throwing up on contact with certain foods.

SusanaD Thu 11-Jul-13 10:07:59

#mum2twoloudbabies: Thanks for the response. Actually it is Stelatria: http://www.mustelausa.com/mustela/content/stelatria. Cant seem to find anyone who stocks it in London.

Re the allergy testing, not so easy to get done. ive been trying to get my GP, health visitor and the docs we met in the hospital to run allergy tests on LO. But they tell me its difficult to do on flared up eczema skin. Strangely, when i read up on it, it seems the test is done on the back - where LO has clear skin. They also said that they need to know what they are testing for. I always thought that they do a broad spectrum of tests and then identify the allergens.

How did you manage to get yours done? Is there a age limit only after which the test can be done?

Diet exclusions are a bit like a shot in the dark for me now, the combo of antibiotics, creams etc could be the reason LO's flare up and infection has subsided; so cant tell for sure if he was actually allergic to cow milk protein. But Im staying off it just to be safe ....

mum2twoloudbabies Thu 11-Jul-13 22:02:40

SusanaD ah hadn't heard of Stelatria very interesting though.

The only testing we've had done are blood tests as I believe skin patch testing is not used on babies/toddlers, although I guess this may be different in different areas and with different allergies.

We initially saw a paediatric immunology consultant privately when DS was 3mos no testing just a general assessment of his symptoms and family history, he was in no doubt that he had a dairy allergy. We had been getting the run around by HVs and GP before and this was the kick up the bum that our GP needed because we were then referred to see a dietician as I needed an exclusion diet and DS needed to be under the dietician (NICE guidelines insist on this). I suspect you are at the same stage - trying different creams to find the right one but I knew something wasn't right because DD had had 'normal' eczema and this was not the same.

Our dietician then got us into the NHS system under a consultant who did blood tests sometime around 6mos although not before he had touched wheat and his face and lips swelled up and he was covered in hives (just from touching it) shock. They then tested for the common food allergens dairy, wheat, egg, peanut, shellfish, soya and he was allergic to them all except shellfish. These are so common in children that the NHS actually have prepared leaflets for feeding children excluding these allergens.

The good news is that at 2.7 he is no longer allergic to soya and we are challenging him on dairy which is going really well. He gets blood tests once a year and sees his consultant about every 6-9mos (all NHS) and last week he said he expects him to fully grow out of them all with the possible exception of wheat because it is so severe.

What I have learnt is that you have to know your rights (NICE guidelines), you have to be prepared to make a complete nuisance of yourself with the GP, consultants etc. until they listen to you and go in armed with as much info as possible and occasionally you may need to throw some money at it, if possible, like the private consult we had at the start. Private consultants tend to be thinking less about budget and overfull clinics and more on giving you a full assessment. The sad fact is that allergy clinics up and down the country are overfull and hard to access. PLUS, if you haven't already, head on over to the allergy board there is masses of help over there.

My mantra has been I am my child's voice he cannot speak for himself so I must do everything I can to make his voice heard. I have needed to remind myself of this a lot to get things done.

Sorry it's so long but hopefully there is something here that may be helpful going forward.

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