Baby TV??

(42 Posts)
DangerMousey Tue 16-Apr-13 13:38:32

My DS is 19wo (4 months) and is bloody hard work!

He currently seems to hate his bouncy chair, his playmat and his bumbo, and even gets frustrated/grizzly if I hold him on my lap and try to play with a toy with him. He is just a bit of a grumpy baby i think, but it is hard to hear him grizzling all day, and feel like I am failing to find ways to cheer him up all the time sad

He likes being cuddled and carried around the house but he is 18lb, and I have a bad back, and I cannot carry him round all day, I need to some time to have a poo myself now and again.

He is currently taking four 45-minute catnaps per day, which means he is awake for around 2 hours in between each nap. During each awake period i try to always play with him, sing songs and cuddle, put him in his bouncy chair in the bathroom whilst I have a shower, sit him on the bed whilst i put the washing away, talk to him about what I am doing around the house etc etc.

Over the last couple of days though, I have found that the one thing which is guaranteed to stop him crying is to put Baby TV on (it's a Sky channel with lots of songs, bright colours, no adverts, aimed at babies)....he will actually happily lie on his mat for 10-15 mins with this on.

But my question is.....^does this make me a terrible mother??^ I feel bad just plonking him in front of the telly but sometimes I am at my wits end with his crying.

Am I going to be stunting his development confused, or is it ok for him to watch a few mins of telly during each of his wakeful periods??

Sorry if this is a daft question but he is my first baby (obviously!) and I have no idea what i am doing!

Portofino Tue 16-Apr-13 13:40:43

No. Go for it.

Teladi Tue 16-Apr-13 13:41:44

No, it's fine. You're interacting with him and doing all the things you should be doing. It is OK to go and have a poo.

Boggler Tue 16-Apr-13 13:46:12

What channel is it? Can you get it on virgin?

jumperooo Tue 16-Apr-13 13:47:37

No go for it, my baby loves this channel aswell. It's age appropriate and very basic IMO. She loves Big Bugs Band and something called Billy Bam Bam.

Unfortunately for us parents the programmes are repeated all the time, you will get to see
the same episodes and hear the annoying theme songs very quickly!

adagio Tue 16-Apr-13 13:47:48

Dangermousey - snap, but without the bad back! In fairness my DD is generally happyish, but I guess this is a hard stage for them as they can't sit up or do much but have started to get bored easily, and the wakeful periods are longer.

If you feel bad enough then I have found mine (same age) also appears to enjoy you tube hits such as oats, peas, barley grow etc (bright coloured nursery rhymes, complete with karaoke for when you can't remember the words and feel obliged to join in)

This is my first too, so i will report back in a few years if baby tv on 623 and muffin nursery rhymes have stunted her development!

DangerMousey Tue 16-Apr-13 15:46:49

Thanks ladies. Ok, I will feel a bit better now about using Baby TV as part of our day smile

He is actually playing on his mat in front of it right now, at the end of an exhausting 2hr period of wakefulness which has included watching me bake some cakes for DH's birthday today, having a roll around on my bed, having a bottle, and having a poo (him, not me!). He will be off to bed again in a bit for his 4pm nap, the most challenging one of the day, where he is knackered but find it hard to fall!

Bogglerit's channel 623 on Sky, not sure on Virgin....can you have a look in your menu or whatever, it's just called Baby TV. It has a few American programmes on which aren't to good, but most of it is english and there are lots of annoying catchy songs that DCs seem to love, as jumperoo says. They will get stuck in your head though!

salcz Tue 16-Apr-13 15:50:01

It's a premium channel on Virgin (703 I think).

robyn2 Tue 16-Apr-13 18:21:25

Lots of baby tv stuff on youtube we connect the computer to the tv so that we can watch it. Go with what baby enjoys.

PickledInAPearTree Tue 16-Apr-13 18:25:29

My 2 yo still begs for hippa hippa hey.

I warn you after two years you will be gagging to stomp on those bugs.

And don't get me started on mr snail.

wonderingagain Tue 16-Apr-13 18:28:49

Have you tried music on its own? Classical or Fun Kids?

AugustaProdworthy Tue 16-Apr-13 18:32:39

Just do it! It's a good station with no adverts and both of our DCs love it. I have no problem with TV as long as you're around.

nilbyname Tue 16-Apr-13 18:38:52

Your baby is 19m? Try consolidating the 4 naps into 2 biggish ones? Is he walking yet?

andrews81 Tue 16-Apr-13 19:38:47

Was just about to say about the naps; try one morning and one afternoon (after lunch/feed). He might be just overtired and not getting enough sleep in the day? Babies tend to wake after 45 mins but will need up to 1.5-2 hours per nap smile good luck xx

IslaValargeone Tue 16-Apr-13 19:42:49

I'm not going for the popular vote with this one but, do you really need to put a 19 week old baby in front of the tv?

I know there is a great deal of controversy around tv for children, but I don't think there is any disagreement on it not being appropriate for babies.

nilbyname Tue 16-Apr-13 20:21:13

isla I have to say I agree with you there, and also op the baby mat, bumbo, bouncy chair all sound a bit babyish...your baby is a toddler now...perhaps try some more age appropriate activities like...

stacking blocks
finger painting
water play, get a bit trugg, or just be on a chair at the sink and fill empty cups etc
putting things in out of bags
helping withe simple chores, like putting things in/out of the washing machine
sand in a tray with toy cars and trucks moving around

silverangel Tue 16-Apr-13 20:34:08

OPs baby is 19 weeks not months!

DTs loved baby tv, still love Big Bugs band, its done them no harm at all.

nilbyname Tue 16-Apr-13 20:56:06

(Blush) sorry op, what an idiot I am!!

HKat Tue 16-Apr-13 21:00:46

Big Bugs Band! Anyone else now hearing the theme tune??

bonzo77 Tue 16-Apr-13 21:14:43

DS1 was addicted from about this age. Still is at 3 blush! Luckily DS2 now 19 weeks also loves it. 3 years I've been putting up with this. It makes cbeebies look like the open university! But it is advert free, unlike the other channels. Wait till he discovers peppa pig which is on commercial TV. DS1 is currently pestering me for some doll that pisses and slippers with ears that move confused

DangerMousey Tue 16-Apr-13 21:39:36

Thanks for your helpful posts everyone - no worries nilbyname, easy to misread weeks for months on these freds!

Isla perhaps you didnt read my original post carefully? I am obviously not feeling chuffed about dumping DS infront of the telly, but he is going through a difficult grumpy phase and very little seems to entertain/soothe him at the moment. Even cuddles! And gawd knows I send enough time every day singing nursery rhymes, cuddling, playing, tickling etc etc....this TV channel seems to interest/entertain him in a way that very little else does at the moent - hence why I am resorting to sticking him in front of it for 10-15 mins, a couple of times a day.

I am worried about the impact of doing so, and started this thread looking for reassurance that I am not going to be doing any harm by using the telly occasionally in this way.

If you have some other ideas about how I can entertain a grumpy grizzly 4 month old for 2 hours at a time without a break, please, I would love to hear them but i warn you, if you suggest that i might like to 'buy a sling' i might have to stove your head in

RainDancer Tue 16-Apr-13 21:52:52

To be fair OP you did ask for others opinions on this and Isla was just expressing hers. I'm afraid I'm with her on this one. I too have a VERY demanding 4 month old and feel your pain! But somehow it just doesn't sit well with me to have her watching TV or having any screen time at such a young age, even when I'm at the end of my tether. But if it feels right for you, go for it - I'm rapidly discovering there are no rights and wrongs when it comes to parenting - just what's right for you and your baby.

milkysmum Tue 16-Apr-13 22:02:28

OP you do what you have to do honestly. I have an 18 month old and he adores this channel and can diffuse his grumpiness in seconds!!!

wonderingagain Tue 16-Apr-13 22:32:18

how I can entertain a grumpy grizzly 4 month old for 2 hours at a time

OP I don't want to worry but if he's grumpy and grizzly all the time and he is napping every two hours there may be an underlying problem. I should speak to the HV about this. TV will distract him from the problem if there is one, and mesmerise him. It's probably a bit like watching a mobile and I doubt it can do any harm for 15 minutes.

Suzieismyname Tue 16-Apr-13 22:44:38

DD1 used to watch about 30 mins of Baby TV every night. Can't remember when she started, probably about 6 months. We liked it becausr it was short and safe!
She was the first of her friends to talk properly. I preferred it to ITNG and silly Waybuloo - can't stand that babytalk!

Suzieismyname Tue 16-Apr-13 22:45:30

Is Grandpa's Gallery still going?

I'd suggest he needs more sleep..

DangerMousey Wed 17-Apr-13 15:22:10

Oops sorry for my rather irate post - that will teach me to MN after half a bottle of red wine blush

Of course everyone has an opinion and that's fine. I feel reassured that a fair number of people who responded to the thread also let their DCs watch this channel - just wanted to know its not just me!

DS has been similarly grizzly today - think he is teething, cheeks are bright red. Poor little thing.

DeputyDeputyChiefOfStaff Wed 17-Apr-13 15:29:45

I was thinking that too, poocatcher. Though I've got my third reluctant napper so I know it's easier said than done!

DangerMousey Wed 17-Apr-13 15:59:11

Yeah I agree - but he simply will not sleep for longer than 45 mins during the day. Sometimes it is more like 35 sad

I have tried everything! And have posted about this on the sleep forums too. The ladies over there assure me that he will extend his naps as he gets a bit older. He is currently having 4 short naps per day and staying awake for between 1hr15 and 2 hours in between each nap.

He is, however, sleeping through the night, roughly speaking (goes to bed at 7pm, has a dream feed at 10 an other than that doesn't get out of his cot in the night at all...he often stirs a couple of times in the night around 2am and 5am but if we leave him for 3-4 mins he usually goes back to sleep on his own. If not, we pop his dummy in and he goes straight back off). A HV I spoke to recently said that was good for 4 months and that "you can't have it all"!! Suppose she has a point.

PoppyAmex Wed 17-Apr-13 16:05:05

"OP I don't want to worry but if he's grumpy and grizzly all the time and he is napping every two hours there may be an underlying problem."

Seriously? That's what 4 month old babies do, isn't it?

I thought the prevalent advice was not to let a baby this age awake for more than 2 hours, so OP is spot on.

DIYandEatCake Wed 17-Apr-13 16:08:40

4 months old can be a hellish age - was for my dd anyway - and I completely know where you're coming from. We didn't really do baby tv as it drove me bonkers, and like you I worried about whether or not it was a good idea. Some things that kept dd happy (sometimes!) at that age - walking round the supermarket - she loved those plastic bucket seats in the trolleys.
Going to baby groups and just watching people - this had the double benefit of adult company for me too. I went to one a day and still do most weeks (dd is 2 now).
And I know what you said about the sling, but i had many happy hours clothes shopping while dd snoozed/watched the world go by in hers at that age (she would only tolerate the pram while it was moving, as soon as it stopped she would scream as if being tortured hmm)
Oh and I can't remember if you mentioned it but she would be happy in her jumperoo for 15 mins at that age too - made cooking dinner easier.

DangerMousey Wed 17-Apr-13 18:26:23

Thanks poppy - i thought I was doing the right thing with the's impossible to keep DS awake for more then 2 hours anyway! In the mornings it's more like 1hr 15mins!

DIY thanks v much for the ideas - DS seems to the like the supermarket too but have only been in his buggy so far...might try one of the trolleys with a baby seat next time then. I sometimes go to a baby group once a week - do you really mean you went to a different one every day? Maybe I should try that, see what's on at different local churches's very tough being in the house with him when he's like this sad

A friend has just offered to lend me a jumperoo too, so I might give that a try...

Backinbelfast Wed 17-Apr-13 18:36:51

Just to say that your DS sounds like a totally typical 4 month old. It's the age when so many women give up breastfeeding and/or start solids because they think the baby must be too hungry as so grumpy. It's a big neurological growth spurt time for them, teething starting, frustrating with wanting to move etc...generally they are grumpy often at this age in my experience!

I used to rotate round the rooms of my house for each wide-awake period of about 2 hours e.g. the bedroom, playing with toys on floor; next period - the spare room, different toys/shakers etc.

Some more ideas for entertainment (beyond going out to parks, groups etc):
- Definitely the jumperoo from when strong enough to sit up
- mirrors on the floor
- 'treasure basket' of unusual items to play with, changed daily e.g. put in wooden spoon/ clean toothbrush etc

I watched loads of baby Tv first time round (about an hour/ hour and a half per day) as single parent, very "high needs" baby (see Dr Sears) i.e. always needed carrying or unhappy (I did wear sling most of the day). This time round DS1 occupies DS2 alot more so haven't watched more than two hours baby TV with DS2 since he was born - he's 10 months now.

Backinbelfast Wed 17-Apr-13 18:41:58

Apart from as newborns, neither of mine has slept at naps for longer than 40 mins at a time unless illl or out in motion in fresh air. Upside is that DS1, now aged 3, jumps into bed at 7PM and sleeps through til 7AM without a grumble, brilliant.

Jayne266 Wed 17-Apr-13 18:42:23

Oh my baby tv is my life saver I have been able to put it on when I have had to go the toilet or while am getting his food ready as some people have said though for us adults it's mind boggling. Although some of the songs are really catchy, so I have nicked them for my play and song time with DS.

AvrilPoisson Wed 17-Apr-13 19:41:54

honestly? I think it's not good idea, at all.
Will pop back later with reasoning/suggestions

cheekyginger Wed 17-Apr-13 21:45:30

If the TV works for short spells go for it IMO!

In fact TV is good stimulation for children's vision (Been working in with children in an eye clinic for 13 years), when used in moderation. Wouldnt promote substituting you for your TV! but it sounds like you have been a fantastic mummy and are giving your child a variety of different stimulation.

Your definitely NOT stunting his development, sounds like you are doing a great job!

GirlWiththeLionHeart Thu 18-Apr-13 09:04:08

My 4 month old sounds exactly the same as yours op; awake for no more that 2 hours before nap during day, very grizzly. He's dribbling loads and gnawing on anything he can get his hands on so I was wondering if he's teething. Always wants to be carried around, won't sit in bouncer anymore for more than 10mins.
Even baths don't soothe him much anymore which used to really help.

The only thing he likes is being over my shoulder while I sit on my yoga ball bouncing. Have you got one from when you were pregnant? Sports direct sell them for £5.

Also re shorter naps, my ds has been waking up quicker too and then is very grumpy so I try and get him back to sleep sooner as I wonder if he woke up due to teething pain etc.

What worked for me was when he started stirring after a short nap, I would turn his white noise on and he goes straight back to sleep for sometimes an additional hour and wakes up very happy and smiley.

Good luck, it will pass x

GirlWiththeLionHeart Thu 18-Apr-13 09:05:25

And don't feel guilty for putting him in front of the tv so you can sort yourself out. You are obviously interacting loads with him as it is. I would think tv all day with no other interaction wouldn't be good, but 10 mins here and there, fine.

IslaValargeone Thu 18-Apr-13 11:40:34

I read your post carefully OP and to suggest that I didn't, because my opinion wasn't one you wanted to hear is hardly fair.
I'm not saying I'm right and you are wrong, but please don't ask for opinions and get shirty when they don't all help you justify your choice.

forevergreek Thu 18-Apr-13 19:26:54

Personally I wouldn't. But your choice

Can you get out more? Walk in the park, take baby for a swim, meet some others with babies so they can 'play' together and you socialise, etc etc

2 and 3 year old here and no tv yet, but I would have gone insane if we didn't go out at least once a day. Now they are like dogs with two long runs a day! And a nap after lunch still

45 min naps sound normal at this age, gradually as he grows I would move this to 3 naps of 45 mins, 90mins, 45mins. Then again adjust as he grows. Eventually by around 18months I would say just a long 2 hr nap after lunch but plenty of time yet

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