19 month old still not walking or cruising but Dr can find nothing wrong with her! Any advice?

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inadreamworld Tue 13-Nov-12 19:36:49

Hi - not sure if I am going to get any replies to this as I don't know anyone in my situation.

My 19 month old DD has been crawling since she was 12 months old. She was late rolling, sitting up and crawling but in all other ways is perfectly fine in her development. She is now just turned 19 months old and has never pulled herself to stand, never cruised round the furniture and certainly never tried to walk.

She crawls everywhere very fast. I have obviously been to the paediatrician at my local hospital. She has had blood tests for all possible muscle diseases/genetic diseases - all clear. Nothing wrong with her hips/knees/legs - they checked them out. She can actually stand up if you pull her up by her arms but she doesn't want to do it. The longest she has stood up for is when I made her hold on to a chair whilst standing to look at my Mums cat which was sitting on the table (she loves the cat).

All the paediatrician said is 'she might be a bit hypermobile'. She has been referred for physiotherapy at my local clinic (have appointment in a few weeks) but I just can't see how they will get her to walk when she doesn't even want to try!! Has anyone been in this situation - I know of children her age who are pulling up/trying to walk at her age but DD is not interested at all in trying and even has tantrums when I try to make her. Apart from this problem she is a chatty (over 20 words) bright and lively little girl. Advice really needed!!!!

hazeyjane Tue 13-Nov-12 20:05:47

I have 2 dcs who are late walkers.

Ds has sn, and low muscle tone and started cruising around his 2nd birthday.

Dd2 had hypermobile ankles, and walked at 21 months. She never crawled, bum shuffled everywhere, couldn't weight bear and showed no interest in standing or walking. She saw a physio at 18 months, who said that the best thing was to get her doing regular excercise like swimming, and make sure she had sturdy shoes that supported her feet and ankles in the right places. I think if there are no underlying problems, then it is just a waiting game, with gentle encouragement.

I am amazed that your dd had blood tests before seeing a physio, especially if there are no other concerns about her development!

girliefriend Tue 13-Nov-12 20:14:53

It sounds like you are doing all the right things, have you got any push along toys that could help her balance and might encourage her to walk.

Think swimming sounds like a good idea. My guess is she will be fine but can understand why you are concerned.

seaweed74 Tue 13-Nov-12 20:55:43

Hi. My dd1 was very late meeting her physical milestones. Sat at 8 months, bit of bottom shuffling around 13/14/15 months, rolled at 18 months, crawled at 19 months! Diagnosed with hypermobility in all joints at 23 months. Saw physio from 2.3 years. Hypermobility worst in ankles. Special boots (piedro) allowed dd to stand at 2.3 years, but she didn't start taking any steps till 2.6 years when fitted with leg splints. Walked at 2.10years. Now just in piedro boots at 3.10 years and running! Still got to learn to jump and do stairs. Possible processing issues as well as dd also has autism.

Physio say that as dd's muscles strengthen she'll have more control over her joints. Apparently swimming is best exercise.


inadreamworld Wed 14-Nov-12 07:53:34

Wow - I got some replies smile.....it's just that I know NO ONE with a 19 month old who isn't walking (let alone not even standing..). So I thought DD highly unusual.

hazeyjane - they said they did the blood tests to rule out genetic diseases/muscle diseases. Didn't really understand it myself. Anyway they said they showed nothing wrong. And her muscle tone fine. It is good to hear that the physio helped your DD2.

girliefriend - I borrowed a walker from a friend. DD pushes it along whilst 'walking' on her knees. When I try to get her to stand up she just sits down again straight away and goes back to the knee pushing!!

seaweed - thanks for this - very interesting as your DD1 later even than mine with physical milestones but looks as if she is doing really well now and will have no problems catching up. Wish there was a child like yours at one of the Mum and baby groups I go to - honestly I have never met a single 19 month old who isn't walking. Glad the physio helped you - that gives me hope!!

Btw am expecting another baby in January so I will have two babies to carry around (and one of them weighs 22 pounds.....smile

seaweed74 Wed 14-Nov-12 09:59:27

Funny you should mention your dd knee walking! Had forgotten my dd was a prolific knee walker, and in fact this is how she got around at playgroup till she learnt to walk! Obviously some trousers never recovered as she knee walked outside too!

seaweed74 Wed 14-Nov-12 10:07:57

Oh and I know what you mean carrying 2 babies around at the same time! Dd walked a week after birth of dd2 grin. We also have a lot of stairs in our house. Amazing how your body adapts to carrying 2 at once. Sling and a single buggy or a double buggy are essential. As dd1 is now 3.10 years, we have an out & about double, because dd1 can get overtired very quickly compared to her peers as a result of the hypermobility.

Dd2 on the other hand walked at 9 months grin. That runs in Dp's family!

GinAndaDashOfLime Wed 14-Nov-12 10:09:20

Please stop worrying (I know that's ridiculous to say to a mum)... my DS1 didn't crawl till 12 months then didn't walk till 23 months. He's now 6, v healthy, active, sporty and super bright .. he is just the type to think things through before doing anything and I guess that's what he did with walking - he still watches and thinks before doing anything new now which can be v frustrating
please don't think there's anything wrong - it really is normal!

gazzalw Wed 14-Nov-12 10:09:41

Our DCs weren't particularly early walkers - in fact DS was probably about 20 months and we were a bit worried but he was a bit slow with sitting up (not not with language or fine motor skills!) - he got there in the end and now you'd have no idea....DD was about 13 months!

Hopefully she will just get up and walk one day - sure that's what DS did (it's a long time ago now that he was at that stage).

My DD did not move at all until 14 months. Never rolled, never pulled herself up and always cried when lying on her front.

She was diagnosed with low muscle tone and because we were in New York she qualified for their 'early intervention' program and had physiotherapy twice a week. Despite not ever pulling herself up the lovely physio eventually got her walking by 'plonking' her on her feet and she just go on with it. I guess he judged the timing. He also did lots of strengthening exercises - sit-up type things and crawling over obstacle courses made with sofa cushions etc.

inadreamworld Wed 14-Nov-12 12:03:06

seaweed - will definitely be needing double buggy, or a sling at least! Luckily I am fine with the carrying, no back probs or anything. Am sure it is the reason I am still very slim apart from a huge bump. When pregnant with DD I was fatter as had nothing much to do except chill out and eat chocolate!!

Ginandadash - that really really helps - thank you. DD does think things through and (thank God so far) has not had the usual bumps and bruises other babies get. I even found her carefully examining a piece of broken glass I had stupidly not hoovered up after I had smashed one earlier. I dread to think how she could have cut herself if she wasn't so careful and delicate about everything. She doesn't even put random things off the floor into her mouth - she just gives them to me.

Toomanyworrieds - your post is very reassuring. DD does not even have low muscle tone the Dr said. So in theory the physio should be able to help her. Glad your little one is on her feet now too (or she may have been on her feet for ages you don't say how old she is now!)

dd2 never crawled, she just bum shuffled everywhere. She could stand up, she just wasn't interested. She finally started walking at 21 months, at 27 months now she happily walks around the shops, and can walk to dd1's school and back - normally 10 mins each way for me ( 20 mins each way for her).

inadreamworld Wed 14-Nov-12 18:36:48

hophop - that's good that she caught up so quickly. Maybe I will keep hoping and buy that sling instead of the double buggy!

cory Thu 15-Nov-12 07:50:05

Dd didn't walk until 19 months: turned out to be hypermobility. Physio sounds a good idea. If they can strengthen her muscles she might be more willing to try.

inadreamworld Thu 15-Nov-12 09:10:52

Thanks cory - still not sure exactly what hypermobility is - very bendy joints??? A fitness instructor friend recently told me I am hypermobile as I can bend my elbow back in a weird looking way as well as my knees. But I walked at 13 months and have had no problems with joints.....

How much walking would you be doing once the baby arrives? If it's not much, I'd say go for a sling. You can put the baby in the sling if your dd still isn't walking at first, then maybe once she has got going the baby can go in the buggy but take the sling with you to put the baby in if your eldest needs a rest? I would think that once she starts walking you are going to need a buggy or buggy board for her till she gets up to speed really though.

Nancyclancy Mon 19-Nov-12 12:22:48

My dd is almost 18 months old. She doesn't pull herself up from laying down, she doesn't stand alone or cruise. She's a bum shuffler, not crawler.

She's had blood tests (clear.) Seen paediatrician and on Friday we saw a physio for the first time who said she is hypermobile but doesn't need physio as it should correct itself.

I have worried myself sick over her because as you've mentioned no other baby I know has been so late. My dd didn't roll until 16 months, bum shuffled at 17 months and can now get onto all fours. But speech is progressing really well.

Good luck!

Nancyclancy Mon 19-Nov-12 12:24:22

Also my dd appears to have hypermobility in her knees and wrists but it's difficult because she doesn't try to do things.

Cupcakemummy85 Mon 19-Nov-12 18:53:43

Hi there. I'm in a similar situation. My dd is nearly 17 months and crawls and walks on her knees but doesn't walk yet. I have another one on the way, due in early feb. so I can really sympathise with u carrying your baby around all the time. It's so tiring!!

inadreamworld Thu 22-Nov-12 09:30:36

Nancy and Cupcake thanks so much for this - haven't checked this thread for a few days. Don't suppose you are in London - we could set up a v v v v late walkers group!!! smile

My DD has physio assessment on 3rd December so will let you know what they say.....

leobear Thu 22-Nov-12 12:22:13

Are they supposed to be able to sit up from their backs? My little girl always rolls onto her tummy and gets up, and she's 2! She was a late walker as well, 18 months. Isn't it quite hard to sit up from your back? Never really thought about it!

Nancyclancy Thu 22-Nov-12 22:05:26

leobear I think to get up they are supposed to roll onto their tummies to get up, sorry that's what I meant but it wasn't very clear. Although my dd does seem to think she needs to do a stomach crunch to get up smile

inadreamworld I'm miles from London which is a shame but would be good to hear how your dd progresses and you too cupcake and to swap tips and ideas.

The physio we saw last week suggested a couple of tips which do seem to be working so will share with you.

1) Get down on your knees and sit on your feet, with a coffee/activity table in front of you. Then sit dd on your lap with her feet touching the ground and facing table. Put your arms under her arms and rest your hands on her knees. Then slowly come up on your knees, keeping your hands on her knees for support. Stay in this position and encourage her to play with toys on the table while standing.
I say 'ready, steady, go' and my dd s already pulling herself up from my lap herself.

2) If you have a low child's chair or the portable high chairs are good. Sit your dd on it, again with a table in front and try to encourage them to pull up. My dd is doing this now and I've found it easier encouraging her to get up from this level then floor level.

3) As your dd is a crawler, can she crawl up the stairs? That will help with the 'pulling.'

Hope it helps!

inadreamworld Fri 23-Nov-12 09:16:50

leobear My DD never sits up from lying on her back, she rolls over first too. I thought they all did this.

Thanks Nancy for the physio exercises I will give them a try. We don't have stairs as we live in a flat - but I will try her on some stairs at one of the baby groups I go to. Have never thought of this. My DD is also doing well at talking - knows over twenty words - not sure if this is good or just average for just 19 months but she certainly has no language delays.

inadreamworld Mon 03-Dec-12 19:28:09

Just an update - in case anyone looks back on this thread in the future. DDs blood tests all clear - basically nothing physically wrong with her except that her joints (especially ankles) are very bendy/flexible and that is known as hypermobility. Had physio appointment today - was told to encourage her to stand and to pull herself up. DD was very co operative for the physio - she let her pull her up to stand and stood up holding on to a chair without complaining. When I try to make her do this she cries! Physio says not to make DD feel 'forced' to stand/walk. Reassured me that as nothing shown to be wrong with her she will most definitely walk eventually and I need to be patient.

gazzalw Tue 04-Dec-12 12:19:27

She will do it in her own time. Good that you've had a Dr's opinion and visited the physio. I am sure she will be running you ragged with her toddling very shortly!

I think the most difficult thing is dealing with other parents looking shocked that your DC isn't walking at "such an advanced age". I remember DW being mortified when she took non-walking 19 month old DS to meet up with her ante-natal group. Of course their super advanced (I'm being slightly ironic here!) offspring were all running all over the place...

Too small a sample to statistically mean anything but the late walkers we've come across have tended to be highly intelligent!

Good luck!

inadreamworld Wed 05-Dec-12 09:27:58

Thanks gazza! I like to think she is concentrating her mind on higher intellectual things smile

gazzalw Wed 05-Dec-12 16:56:25


Nancyclancy Wed 05-Dec-12 21:23:18

I'm still lurking, please keep any updates coming as I'm interested! My dd turned 19 months yesterday and has made a little bit of progress. She has started to pull herself onto her knees and is constantly doing it. As already mentioned she is a bum shuffler not a crawler but she keeps going onto all fours (I thought to crawl) but all the experts have told me she will it crawl, this will lead to her standing apparently.
I do feel she's making more of an effort now and her temper has calmed down. So instead of getting angry because she can't do things she's trying. I really hope this is the start! smile

Nancyclancy Wed 05-Dec-12 21:24:09

she won't crawl Sorry didn't make sense!

inadreamworld Wed 05-Dec-12 22:59:13

Hi Nancy. I will keep updating - DD 'walks' on her knees with the baby walker - not quite what it is meant for but never mind. Apart from the fact your DD bum shuffles and mine crawls they sound remarkably similar in development and both obviously talking well!

inadreamworld Wed 26-Dec-12 17:50:59

Hi Nancyclancy and anyone else lurking here because they are in the same situation. A bit of progress in the last few weeks - DD 'walks' around the house on her knees quite a bit. Previously she would just 'walk' on her knees with baby walker or when holding on to something. Also when I put her in a standing position with something to hold on to she can stand for a few minutes. The physio says just keep making her stand/doing the exercises and have next appointment in Feb. Due to be having 2nd baby 9th Jan.

Theas18 Wed 26-Dec-12 17:58:17

Have you asked for a paed physio referral?

Dd2 was a late walker - she walked/ ran in a high kneeling position for ages - obviously a great way to be mobile - more stable than those wobbly little feet and you can use both hands lol.

We saw a physio in the end . She put her in piedro boots - the sort that kept her feet at 90degrees . The was apparently because she risked tight Achilles tendons going sound with her feet pointed behind her all the time.

She walked very soon after. I think pretty much because the boots made high kneeling uncomfortable!

So a 21 month walker here. She has been far more physically abe and cordinated than her siblings though ! (who walked at 15 months)

Theas18 Wed 26-Dec-12 17:59:16

Btw dd1 bum shuffled and ds crawled and both walked at 15 mo!

inadreamworld Wed 26-Dec-12 18:14:39

Theas thanks for the info - yes DD has seen a paediatrician a few times and had one physio appointment. The paed said nothing wrong with her apart from hypermobility - ie joints very flexible especially ankles so muscles will have to get stronger in order to support them. They said she should be fine and catch up with other children but would most likely walk late ie 2 years old plus. They tested her for various muscular/genetic conditions and gave her clean bill of health, thankfully.

I asked the physio about the boots and they said they would not prescribe them for DD at the moment because they don't think she is a severe enough case - ie she can support weight on legs. I was told I could buy the boots myself if I want to so I might end up having to do this although I have heard they are expensive.

GreatCongas Wed 26-Dec-12 18:20:04

My dad didn't walk until he was two. Absolutely nothing wrong with him and he doesn't have a car so walks everywhere and for miles for enjoyment.
Just wanted to add another note of reassurance

inadreamworld Wed 26-Dec-12 18:30:00

Thanks GreatCongas smile

I have a friend who also walked at two and she is very energetic and carried my DD and folded pram up her stairs for me as I am heavily preg at the moment. So clearly nothing wrong with her now! I think I am just impatient as I don't know anyone in real life with a non walking 20 month old. And people keep asking me when she is going to walk all the time, particularly relatives.

Theas18 Wed 26-Dec-12 23:30:20

Just remind yourself that normal is a range with a bell shaped curve. So for every lovely,"gosh my 8/9/10 month old is walking already" post you see on mums net.there is an equally normal 20 /21 month old that isn't walking.

Parents of newbies that hit milestones on the late end of normal don't advertise the fact, but we are just as numerous statistically!

It all pretty much evens or in the end.

(having said that, a none walking 18-19 month old is fast enough from the statistical norm to warrant investigations because whilst they are still probably normal, some will have a medical reason.the op had already had the tests though)

madwomanintheattic Thu 27-Dec-12 00:08:02

There's an ehlers danlos syndrome support thread that runs on the sn board - can be v helpful for hypermobility issues (dd2 is hypermobile and has low muscle tone because of cerebral palsy, so we have lots of low tone/ hypermobile issues)

It might be worth you having a read, anyway, then you know where they hang out if you want to ask a question! grin

inadreamworld Thu 27-Dec-12 09:28:05

Thanks Theas - sensible advice as I must remember normal is within a wide range. I am glad I got all the tests done on DD so logically I know there is nothing wrong and she will walk eventually!

madwoman thanks for this - DD does not have ehlers danlos as blood tests for all possible genetic disorders came back clear. Her muscle tone is also normal (they tested her). However the Mums I have met with children not walking at 20 months both have special needs kids (one had Downs, the other had global developmental delay, ie everything was delayed, including speech, fine motor skills etc). This is not the case with my DD - it is just the walking issue.

Lollydaydream Thu 27-Dec-12 10:00:07

On the boots my dd has some stability issues (due to a brain injury) and is under physio; she hasn't been given the specialist boots but physio recommended we get Clark boots and they make a discernible difference to her stability.
I would also agree with the swimming advice. I'm convinced it has strengthened dd's core although I have been shocked at how hard going she has found being in the water, it was like regressing 6months or more while she was in the water.

inadreamworld Thu 27-Dec-12 10:56:34

Thanks Lolly Will check out Clarks - and yes, forgot about swimming, haven't been for a while.

snowtunesgirl Thu 27-Dec-12 11:00:22

Very reassuring to read this thread as I'm starting to worry about 13 month old DD. She commando crawls and gets up onto her knees but does not stand or pull herself up.

She was born with a right leg that bent back the wrong way at the knee which straightened itself out by itself with no intervention within two weeks. She had ultrasounds etc and appointments with orthopaedic surgeons in her first few weeks who said that her legs and hips are fine. However, I'm wondering if the bendy leg points towards hypermobility? I am quite flexible and was born with similar problems as was my sister and cousin.

DD is not brilliant physically but again like others have said, her language skills are very good. She says things back to you and copies things she's heard. The other day she said Oppam Gangnam Style. hmm grin

So at what point should I see a doc? In our area, the 1 year review was called a 7-11 month review so she's not been reviewed as such. The last nurse I saw was at her MMR jab and she said not to worry about not walking. But I gather pulling yourself up should come much earlier?

Can you tell I'm a worrier?

poozlepants Thu 27-Dec-12 11:17:40

My Ds crawled at about 6.5 months, pulled himself up from 9 months but didn't cruise ever and didn't walk until 17 months. He had hypermobility particularly of the ankles. Once he started walking he was fine but he was a very wirey muscley child. As far as I understood it, it is much harder and more tiring for kids with hypermobility to walk as it takes more effort and energy to get your joints to do the right thing. He then had trouble running for a bit as his legs went sort of bandy. The GP told us it was normal and would sort itself out.
At 3 we went to see a podiatrist for his strange feet as he was getting really sore toes from his feet rolling in his shoes (despite multiple pairs from the specialist kids shoe shop) who was the one who diagnosed the hypermobility and he has special inserts in his shoes which realign his feet, ankles, knees and hips etc and from then on we have had no bother at all. We were told the NHS wouldn't do anything until he was 7. The inserts were about £200 for the consultation but then it is just £60 every year after. They seemd to realign his legs after about 2 months.

Nancyclancy Thu 27-Dec-12 11:53:57

Hi inadreamworld glad your dd has made some progress! My dd had a general developmental check at the hospital just before Christmas. We saw a different Dr who said that as her other areas of development seem fine and because her bloods are normal she was quite happy with her.
I'm glad that I've seen so many different people, because they are all telling me more or less the same thing. No-one wants to see her now until she is 2.
She told me to keep her upright as much as possible ( easier said then done.) She had a good look at dd legs etc and does not feel dd has hypermobility. She stands perfectly on her feet and for long periods if we stand her up.

Does your dd get frustrated? My dd really does not seem bothered that she can't walk?

Also, my dd got a little tikes trike for Christmas ( no pedals.) I didn't really expect her to be able to use it but she can. She mastered it in about 10 minutes. She went backwards to begin with and then started going forward when she realised she was going the wrong way. I don't know if this is going to delay her further as she can just get to where she wants by scooter grin But will probably help her leg muscles. And more importantly, she has been scootering over to coffee table etc and trying to pull herself up off scooter.

Good luck with the arrival of your new baby!

Lollydaydream Thu 27-Dec-12 12:35:26

The other thing that I'm sure helped (and you've probably already done) is having favourite toys set out on child height tables; if she likes puzzles and is engrossed she might not notice she's standing up. For dd it was the toy kitchen that was motivating.

madwomanintheattic Thu 27-Dec-12 16:46:13

Ina, oh yes, I know she doesn't have eds, but whatever the reasons, she has a very similar clinical presentation in the hyper mobility, so the eds ladies will be able to offer tips and support if you need it to deal with that issue in a late walker.

My dd2 doesn't have eds either, but she does have hypermobility. Sometimes you have to just look at the symptom and find some other folks with direct experience, for whatever reason, if you need an ear. grin

The specialist boots are called Piedros, and they don't usually offer them to tinies because they are really expensive. Clarks are pretty shit grin or were. grin you are better off going to independent kids shoe stores and getting a choice of any of the European shoe manufacturers - they usually have a very sweet range of tiny boots that are very supportive. Indie shoe shops, if you discuss hypermobility and ankles that are rolling in, are usually able to offer some suggestions. Clarks have always looked at me like I am insane. grin once she gets bigger, kickers are a reasonable emergency alternative to piedros. I have had days when she couldn't stay upright and have had an emergency trip to the store to buy kickers lol.

Whatever the issue causing the late walking, it is a mistake to assume your dd needs a different type of care for this matter from a child with any other sn that also has this issue. So just because a child has been dx with Down's syndrome, doesn't mean your dd needs different stuff than that child for hypermobility. grin the child with Downs may also need additional stuff, but if he has hypermobile ankles, he'll need some support and will walk later.

Dd2 has brain damage from a birth injury - she also needed lots of additional stuff, but decent boots were really important for her walking. grin

The cause might be different, but a lot of time, the support needs are the same.

Nancyclancy Thu 27-Dec-12 18:10:11

madwoman I was advised by the last paediatrician to get shoes to support my dd's ankles even though she isn't walking or pulling to stand? But the physio we saw previous to her had said to not put her in shoes?????? Clarkes would only sell me crawlers, which I declined but refused shoes. Did you put your dd in shoes before she pulled herself up to stand - just curious.
Physio was adamant there is no hypermobility issues too.

So do I put my non-walking, bum shuffling dd in shoes is the question confused

MooseyMoo Thu 27-Dec-12 18:21:35

My DD was late for physical milestones. She didn't crawl until 14 months, cruised at 17 months and could walk if she held your hand and then one of my fingers, as soon as I let go she would drop to her knees and knee walk. She didn't walk unaided until 22 months and then started walking round grandparents front room but didn't know how to stop.

In hindsight, she was a v wary baby and cautious as a toddler. However she was speaking from early on and napped a lot (x2 naps right up until 17 months). I got very annoyed with people saying she was a lazy baby and staring at her when she knee walked. All I can say is that Boden cords with knee patches were excellent for this phase smile

nancy I just had DD in soft leather shoes from [[http://www.mytwinkletoeshoes.co.uk/ My Twinkle Toes]

MooseyMoo Thu 27-Dec-12 18:22:25
Theas18 Thu 27-Dec-12 18:31:25

Nancy imho my bum shuffler would have been impeded in her efforts to stand by being in shoes. Unlike from and her high kneeling her feet were in a nice position to stand.she just couldn't be bothered too! She didn't crawl till 13 months add bum shuffling, like knee walking is, as I see it superior to walking for babies-they are fast and can use both hands, but zero risk of falling.compare that to a new walking baby-falling all the time and grabbing our b holding hands out for balance.

I think you have to make them want to be bipedal. Toys up high.puddles to stomp in (get wellies) .ours used to push the pushchair like a baby walker too-if you are a non walking 20 month old a normal push a long trolley gets a bit shirt and tippy!

madwomanintheattic Thu 27-Dec-12 18:39:41

Dd needed lots of support, tbh her first boots were to wear in her standing frame! That said, they need support to promote stability, but it's important to also give them shoe free time so that the muscles get stronger - it's such a juggle! I would say both - to promote development, but also make sure plenty of opportunities to get stronger with out support. (We've had similar with supportive seating lol. Life is a juggle!)

Nancyclancy Thu 27-Dec-12 19:42:07

Thanks for your replies. Moosey we've got some shoes that are similar to the ones that you linked. They are great for giving a bit of grip.
My dd has got some Xmas money, so I'm going to treat her to a little table and chairs. I think that if she is ever going to walk, she's more likely to do try getting up from a chair rather then the floor.

This evening for the first time EVER she wanted something on top of our fire guard. It's one of those large guards that is fixed to the wall. We quite often hang clothes on it to dry and she loves pulling them all off. Today there was a baby gro on top of it that she couldn't quite reach. She did really stretch up and her bottom came off the ground a little bit. When she couldn't reach it, she did hold onto the guard for support but then gave up and cried and looked at us for help. We all pretended not to notice and so she gave up completely.

Starting tomorrow, I'm going to plan a lot of full on toddler activities, that don't require walking. So drawing, cooking, puzzles etc all from her new table to try and get her off the floor as much as possible. I'm also going to only put one or two toys on the floor and the rest up higher, so she has to reach for them to get them. Will be hard because she has a very short fuse! grin

inadreamworld Thu 27-Dec-12 21:39:42

snowtunesgirl smile at the Gangnam Style!! DD unfortunately said sh*t today as I said it when I hurt my finger. I must be careful in future. I don't think you should worry about not pulling up at 13 months. Maybe wait a few months and see how she develops.

poozlepants I didn't know you could get special inserts for shoues - I must look into that. In fact I probably need to get her some supportive shoes at some point as it is clear I won't get them on the NHS (!!)

Nancy that is good news that the developmental check went well. Same with my DD - all other areas of development fine, just the late walking. Although they said she was hypermobile. I have noticed that although she is able to stand for a few minutes holding on to something, her ankles seem to bend outwards a bit. Like yours, she doesn't seem bothered that she can't walk.

Lolly I have put things she likes on tables and she does stand up for a while if in the right mood - but doesn't pull herself up, I have to put her in a standing position.

madwoman thank you for that explanation and you are right - talking to other Mums with hypermobile children (for whatever reason) may help. I had never realised there were so many reasons for hypermobility - in fact I had never even heard of it until about 6 months ago when mentioned by the paediatrician.

378 Thu 27-Dec-12 22:13:00

Hi, my DS didn't walk until 19 months - we were referred to a physio who said he has hypermobility and low muscle tone (no other issues though). I put all toys up high so needed to stand to play with them, and a toy shopping trolley for pushing around as he is very tall so needed a tall push thingy.

Physio also suggested swimming, we keep trying but he hates it!

No need for special shoes here, though need to make sure the ones we do buy are supportive.

He walked very quickly after seeing physio a few times (he was pulling up before that, after crawling from 12 months (commando crawling from 7 mths) but not cruising at all).

Albaba Thu 27-Dec-12 23:58:37

Hi there. I have similar issues to you. I have 15 month old twins born 7 weeks early. One is doing great and we have no concerns about and the other is not. She was late at sitting unsupported only doing it at 11 months corrected age. Now at 15 months actual age she is showing no interest in pulling herself up on to furniture or walking. The other twin has been cruising furniture for months and though still a little wobbly on her legs is nearly there with the walking. The other twin can crawl but is still doing commando crawling rather than getting her bum and knees up. Have attended a child development clinic who diagnosed her with low muscle tone and we have been referred to physio and for a MRI scan to rule out other issues. Have been seeing a physio privately as the NHS appointments are taking forever to come through. Physio seems to think that she is seeing slight improvements every week. Everything seems to be a struggle for her though. She can do the physio exercises for a while but seems to tire easily. Just worried about her as the other twin seems much more advanced, ironically she was the smaller one and sick one at the start. Have felt embarrased too at Mother and Toddlers when one twin is in to everything and the other one literally just sits in one position and doesn't move especially when ones at a similar age are running about and in to everything. We are doing everything we can for her. She is out nearly every day at nursery or some sort of play activity so she can meet and mix with other babies and goes to physio once a week but it definitely is a worry for me too.

inadreamworld Sun 06-Jan-13 22:36:22

DD has made quite a bit of progress - all in the last few days.

She is now able to pull herself to stand but will only do it standing on the sofa and using the back of the sofa as a lever - will not do it on the carpet. She even climbed up on to the side of the sofa today - luckily I was there to stop her falling off! Her ankles do still bend a bit too much when she is standing but they seem to be getting a bit more stable. She also has had a huge increase in energy, knee walking and crawling all over the house very fast, no longer wants a daytime nap and learning loads of new words!! I am really hoping she will start pulling herself up on furniture soon and not just on the sofa - probably she likes the fact the surface is soft so if she falls she won't hurt herself.

Albaba interesting about your twins being so different. DD doesn't have low tone and can crawl and knee walk - it seems to be her ankles that are very bendy!

378 the physio also told me DD does not need special shoes as she is not bad enough and they think she is better off learning to strengthen her muscles without the support. They also said she definitely does not have low muscle tone (not sure how they know this!) just hypermobility.

inadreamworld Mon 11-Feb-13 08:43:40

Just updating in case it helps anyone else with a late walker. DD is now pulling up on furniture and cruising round holding on to furniture. Other times she walks on her knees everywhere and only occasionally crawls. When she stands up her ankles still look a bit wobbly but much better than they were. She is 2 in April....am taking bets on whether she will walk on her own by then!!

WaitingForPancakeDay Mon 11-Feb-13 22:29:08

Yay! Good for your DD. she sounds like she's doing really well. Wobbly ankles can be a nightmare. Me and my sister both had them. I can still twist my ankle stood still on a flat surface and so can my sister. We can't wear high heels well without wither ankle support or clutching hold of someone. But other than that as adults, it's not exactly impinging on our lives! I think she sounds fab.

WaitingForPancakeDay Mon 11-Feb-13 22:29:45

Well, I don't know what word wither was meant to be....

inadreamworld Tue 12-Feb-13 09:58:55

Thanks Pancake!!wither = either??

WaitingForPancakeDay Tue 12-Feb-13 10:52:26

Aah, yes. that makes sense!

Bouncey Tue 12-Feb-13 20:03:16

Watching this thread with interest. My 14 month dd won't pull herself up or even stand for more than a few seconds when supported, with something tempting to look at such as an ipad! She sat late, and crawled at 13 months. She was referred to an orthopaedic consultant after her one year review to have her hips checked out but has been given the all clear. It's so nice to hear about other parents in similar situations.

inadreamworld Wed 13-Feb-13 11:51:13

Bouncey yes late walking is more common than I thought - but don't know any children DDs age in real life who are late walkers. She has a follow up appointment with paediatrician in a few weeks but the doctors have said nothing wrong with her except hypermobile (very bendy) ankles which they say will sort themselves out on their own. Am still waiting....!

Vixster18 Thu 14-Feb-13 14:02:01

Hi, Another parent of late walkers here!
I have 3 sons and 2 were late walkers. DS1 didn't walk till the week he turned 2! He wouldn't even put weight on his feet, let alone stand until he was 23mnths! He was referred to have his hips checked at 18mnths, but by the time the appointment came round (6mnths later) he was walking. So there was nothing wrong with him, other than him being a bit lazy. DS2 walked at 19mnths so slightly better.

I also have a friend with a daughter with 'bendy ankles'. She finally walked at 2.2yrs. Her Mum did buy her some supportive ankle boots that a friend (Doctor) had recommended.

So good to hear your daughter is making progress, I'm sure she'll be walking before you know it xx

inadreamworld Thu 14-Feb-13 15:33:30

Thanks Vixster. Hopefully the bendiness will go away soon!

Theas18 Thu 14-Feb-13 15:46:01

The rouble with later Walkers I'd that it isn't something that is discussed, it is a"shameful secret" almost! We hear all the."my baby walked at 9 months etc"

Your dd is still within the normal range and she is a normal child from all other markers. Try to let her develop at her ownrate. She'll get there and a few months down the line you'll have other things to worry about lol.

Just for the record my from my experience-dd2 walked at 21 months after high knee walking/running for months. I did this too. She was put into piedro boots by the Physio add they worried that her feet were always trailing pointed behind her so they worried her Achilles may get tight. I think it frustrated her and she finally walked!

She is now 13 and the most coordinated it all 3.

Eldest bum shuffled, walked at 15 months.son crawled and walked at 15 months!

Bouncey Thu 14-Feb-13 16:33:56

It is so reassuring to hear other stories. When I took dd to get her hips checked, the consultant was totally relaxed - quite common not to walk until 2 apparently. It's not the lack of walking that bothers me but the fact that she won't stand at all - if you hold her hands she either lifts up her feet or collapses and sits down. Still, I suppose she'll get there in the end, and the rest of her development is totally fine. I am London based btw - I think someone earlier in the thread was asking about London based parents.

inadreamworld Fri 15-Feb-13 10:53:29

Bouncey my DD wouldn't stand when she was 14 months either. She does pull to stand now (22 months) but her ankles seem a bit bendy. The paediatrician didn't want to give her the piedro boots as said she isn't bad enough and will walk on her own in her own time. Have another appointment next week so will ask again.

Theas thanks for the reassurance. Knee walking is now DDs main way of getting about, only crawls occasionally and pulls to stand but needs to hold on to something.

Hersetta Fri 15-Feb-13 14:31:37

I have an 18th moonth old DS who's not standing or cuising yet - he's a bum shuffler and is pretty nippy on his bum. He has been checked over and pronounced lazy. He seems to be more interested in standing up now - asks to be stood up so he can hold onto the kitchen cupboard handles, but won't pull up beyond a crouch by himself. If he stands up in bare feet he curls him toes right over so in effect he is not flat on his feet. has anyone else's DC done this toe curling?

inadreamworld Fri 15-Feb-13 18:29:11

Hersetta my DD doesn't stand flat on her feet either - that is what I meant when I said her ankles are bendy. She stands on the side of her feet and is pulling up on her own now but is older than your son (22 months). The doctor said she is hypermobile - ie extra flexible and seems to think it will sort itself out but I am still a bit concerned but hope she will start standing properly soon.

Nancyclancy Fri 15-Feb-13 21:39:51

So glad your dd is progressing, hopefully it'll just be a matter of time now. My dd is 2 weeks off 22 months. She's not pulling to stand yet but is getting on her knees constantly, she's started to crawl which is quite rare for a bum shuffler apparently.
I mentioned earlier in this thread that she never rolled, laid herself down and couldn't get from laying down to sitting which was what concerned me the most. But she's doing all of this really easily now.
I'm not convinced she'll be walking by her 2nd birthday (May.) But she's improving every day, so I'm not worried anymore.
The good thing is that everyone now asks (in a nice way) and are constantly saying she'll get there. So when she does finally do it, it'll be more special!

inadreamworld Sat 16-Feb-13 08:13:42

Hi NancyClancy thanks for the update, your DD sounds a little similar to mine. I will be interested to know when she starts pulling herself up to stand.

I actually started to worry a bit when DD started to pull up to stand (at around 21 months) as her ankles bend over a bit to the side when she stands but I think this is just the hypermobile joints and will sort itself out as the paediatrician says.

inadreamworld Tue 26-Feb-13 19:11:36

Went to the paediatrician today. He mumbled something about physio but still won't give DD the special boots that could support her ankles and help her walk. Have started a thread in the special needs section asking about hypermobile children and where to get the boots as perhaps i could get them myself. DD is standing and cruising but her feet bend over when she stands so she walks around on her knees most of the time. Am getting a bit impatient now!!!

Nancyclancy Fri 01-Mar-13 22:56:25

Did he give you a reason for not giving her the boots? I'm no physio, but do you think her ankles may improve now she's standing and cruising and using those muscles more? The last paediatrician we saw suggested getting a pair of shoes for dd. She doesn't appear to be hypermobile. But Clarkes refused to sell me a pair because she's not walking.

So I had her feet measured and bought her a pair online. I bought some sensible ankle boots. She will hold both of my hands and walk for ages, she loves it and they really support her.
She's progressing well, her overall movement has improved. She's rolling around more and although she's not pulling herself to stand, she's kneeling and putting one leg out. So hopefully it won't be long.
I don't think she'll be walking by her second birthday though. ( She'll be 22 months on Monday!)

I can't help but get frustrated, she's having a few temper tantrums too and I'm sure it's the bloody non walking. Why is it so difficult for our girls?
She doesn't like any children her own age either, I think they scare her. So she's really difficult to amuse. sad

inadreamworld Fri 01-Mar-13 23:25:41

Hi Nancy sounds as if your DD has made a lot of progress. Interesting she doesn't take to children her own age either. My DD likes her 6 week old little sister (and other small babies) so I think it is jealousy/frustration/fear of other children who are walking when she can't. Ditto with the temper tantrums although if there are loads of adults around giving DD attention she is in heaven and very well behaved! She is just difficult to amuse when at home with me. When you pull your DD up to stand (you said she is not doing this for herself yet) do her ankles bend over when not wearing the boots? I can understand how you feel - it is frustrating when you know they really want to walk!!! Keep me posted on her progress.

inadreamworld Fri 01-Mar-13 23:27:16

Oh to answer your question Nancy the Dr didn't really say why he wouldn't give her the boots just kept saying there is nothing else wrong with her and kind of vaguely hinted she might get the boots a long time in the future if she didn't start walking.

Nancyclancy Sat 02-Mar-13 00:05:25

Congratulations on your new baby!

No, my dd ankles don't bend over. She stands perfectly straight. I got the boots as I just felt they were more secure for her and held her feet and ankles together more.
We've got a follow up appt at the physio next week. She's been seen once but they said there was nothing they could do for her as she seems fine. They said she lacked a bit of muscle tone but that was just because she wasn't moving much and they would build up as she uses them.
She definitely sits better now.

As far as socialising goes, she loves seeing people in supermarkets, adults and older children. Just other toddlers!

inadreamworld Mon 04-Mar-13 09:14:37

Nancy If her ankles are straight it looks hopeful for her to be walking soon surely...??? I started a thread in special needs about special boots for hypermobility and a couple of lovely people offered to send me their childrens grown out of boots for DD. So will try the boots and see if they work.

Charlz26 Sun 10-Mar-13 16:36:54

Hello everyone. I saw this post online and joined this group just so I could respond. First off nancy I know exactly how you feel and you are not alone. I don't really have advice for you but I am in a similiar boat..My DD is 18 months. She does not walk. She pulls to stand crawls etc but always met all her milestones later than other kids but we are seeing progress. She starts early intervention in a few months. I've taken her to many doctors including a ped recently who virtually said they did not know if it was anything serious or not. She is due to do a development test in the coming months. I often wonder about muscle tone problems. her arms seem overly flexible at times, and sometimes her Legs can seem to stiff. my oldest child was very advanced with Everything, however at age 3 still has turned in feet. There dad is rather tall, ( don't know if that has anything to do with it) and I am flat footed. The social worker who attended my home to assess my youngest said that she could be flat footed. I'm hoping and preying its something fixable like that. But at the same time if it's something more complex I suppose it's just. Matter of taking one day at a time. My daughter has been practicing to actually let go of furniture with one hand and stays standing for 2 seconds then drops to her bottom again. I've spent many nights awake worrying about her. but I've realized that does not help. The most greatest reward of having a child that is a little behind others, is that when they do make a slight improvement or new achievement, it really just means the world to us parents! Good luck with your little one and please do keep us posted. I'd love to hear how she goes.

Mummy from Australia <3

Charlz26 Sun 10-Mar-13 16:39:33

Hello everyone. I saw this post online and joined this group just so I could respond. First off nancy I know exactly how you feel and you are not alone. I don't really have advice for you but I am in a similiar boat..My DD is 18 months. She does not walk. She pulls to stand crawls etc but always met all her milestones later than other kids but we are seeing progress. She starts early intervention in a few months. I've taken her to many doctors including a ped recently who virtually said they did not know if it was anything serious or not. She is due to do a development test in the coming months. I often wonder about muscle tone problems. her arms seem overly flexible at times, and sometimes her Legs can seem to stiff. my oldest child was very advanced with Everything, however at age 3 still has turned in feet. There dad is rather tall, ( don't know if that has anything to do with it) and I am flat footed. The social worker who attended my home to assess my youngest said that she could be flat footed. I'm hoping and preying its something fixable like that. But at the same time if it's something more complex I suppose it's just. Matter of taking one day at a time. My daughter has been practicing to actually let go of furniture with one hand and stays standing for 2 seconds then drops to her bottom again. I've spent many nights awake worrying about her. but I've realized that does not help. The most greatest reward of having a child that is a little behind others, is that when they do make a slight improvement or new achievement, it really just means the world to us parents! Good luck with your little one and please do keep us posted. I'd love to hear how she goes.

Mummy from Australia <3

Charlz26 Sun 10-Mar-13 16:46:42

Sorry I thought the owner of the post was nancy! I obviously wasn't reading properly I meant to "Inadreamworld" that you sound as if your going through the same as I am with my DD at the moment x

inadreamworld Sun 17-Mar-13 11:38:45

Hi just an update - a couple of lovely mumsnetters sent me piedro boots that their children had grown out of because I posted a thread in special needs asking about boots. Now DD is able to walk holding one hand!! She is also a lot better at walking without the boots - she walks holding two hands when not wearing them. Her ankles are still a bit bendy when not wearing the boots but they seem to be straightening out a bit. She has only had the boots for a week so I am hoping she will take her first steps on her own by the time she is two (in 3 weeks!). Sometimes she gets tired and wants to go back to the knee walking - all her trousers have holes now at the knees!!!

Nancyclancy Sun 17-Mar-13 21:27:24

Yay!!! That's excellent progress, fingers crossed she'll be there by her 2nd Birthday! But even if she isn't she'll be very close.
We saw the physio last week ( follow up appt.) She was really pleased with dd progress and is confident there is no physical reason for her not walking.

She's still not pulling to stand, but is definitely thinking about it. She's constantly rolling around and moving now. Her whole way of moving is so different now. She's much more stronger. So I think she lacked muscle tone in general and is now building herself up.

I don't think she'll be walking by her first birthday ( early May!) But she has made good progress in the last few weeks - so maybe!

All the knees on her clothes are perfect, it's the bum she's wearing out! grin

Charlz26 you are right, when our dc finally get there it will mean so much more. Everyone we see, always asks after dd. so when she eventually gets there, the whole village will be excited!

Nancyclancy Mon 01-Apr-13 21:55:54

Well, this evening my dd (about to turn 23 months) STOOD UP for the first time!!! grin
We were sitting on the sofa watching tv, as she played on the floor. She came over and pulled herself up onto her knees. We weren't really paying any attention. Then I just happened to look over and there she was STANDING!!! Hallelujah!

inadreamworld Mon 01-Apr-13 22:12:41

That's great news Nancy!! Is she standing normally? No bendy ankles?? Am sure she will be walking in no time!!!

My DD will be two in just over a week. She is now walking holding on to our hands and can walk holding on to one hand - but no sign of doing it on her own yet. It all happened due to the special boots sent by a lovely couple of Mumsnetters!! She can walk holding on without the boots now but her ankles seem wobbly and bend a bit to the side. This is the hypermobility the paediatrician was on about I suppose.

Nancyclancy Mon 01-Apr-13 23:12:25

Her ankles are fine, she stands perfectly. When she pulled herself up to standing she was in a baby gro, so no shoes.

The hardest and most frustrating thing is, she won't accept help. She pushes all toys that could help her away and when we offer our hands to help her, she shakes her head and says no.

She can get herself off of the sofa into the standing position. Then she'll walk up and down the length of the sofa, but sideways like a little crab.

The physio came to our house to see how she was getting on a couple of weeks ago. She can't find anything wrong and that it really is a case of waiting.

We seem to have had a lot of conflicting advice regarding shoes. The physio and one paediatrician were against putting my dd in anything, yet another insisted we get her a pair. I personally think they give them more grip and support. Are your dd's ankles less bendy with her boots on?

inadreamworld Tue 02-Apr-13 18:31:54

The boots completely remove the bendiness so in the boots DD walks quite normally. Without them she walks on the outside of the bottom of her feet as the ankles are not quite straight. Physio says as the muscles strengthen to compensate for the bendy joints she will walk fine - hope this is true!!!

Waferthinmint Tue 02-Apr-13 18:35:50

21 months here. Crawled from 6 half months. One day she just got up and walked. Bizarre.

inadreamworld Tue 02-Apr-13 22:01:05

Wafer you mean she was crawling from 6 months until 21 months???!!

Waferthinmint Wed 03-Apr-13 09:30:43

Yes. Occasional pulling up on tables but certainly no 'cruising'. I honest,y believe she just couldn't see the point of walking! Her crawling was fast and effective. The GP and Hv were not at all concerned

inadreamworld Sun 07-Apr-13 22:15:07

DD took eight steps on her own today!! I don't think she realised that no one was holding her hand. She will be two in two days. I think 2nd hand piedro boots sent by a couple of lovely Mumsnetters have helped enormously.

Nancyclancy Sun 07-Apr-13 22:48:45

Hooray!!!! Those boots do seem to be helping. Maybe I should get my dd a pair. Her ankles and legs seem ok but they've got to be worth a go!

At least now you know your dd can do it, it's just the confidence. 8 steps is a fantastic start!

I had one of those days today where I've felt my dd is never going to walk. I took her to our big local park and she really wanted to get down but I couldn't let her bum shuffle on the concrete. She got really angry with me and had a screaming fit in front of everyone.

I hope it's not going to be too much longer. She's 2 on the 4th of May, but I'd be surprised if she is walking by then.

inadreamworld Mon 08-Apr-13 22:58:43

Hi nancy - getting the boots can't hurt but if your DD is just not interested in walking they won't help. But if it is because her ankles need support then they will help of course. However am sure she will get interested in walking soon - keep me posted - DD still goes round on her knees mostly but I hold her hand and make her walk properly as much as I can.

Housewren Wed 10-Apr-13 16:04:18

I have been looking for a information and found this thread about late walkers etc.
a bit of background; my son is 16 months old and is not standing let alone walking. He had torticollis (tight muscle on one side of his neck) as an infant along with plagiocephaly (flat head) both of which went undiagnosed for 7 months, I was constantly told his head position was normal. He had some physiotherapy about 6 sessions but due to billing (I currently live in the USA where there is only private healthcare) we had to stop going, plus they stopped being helpful.
These have lead to a delay in reaching gross motor skill milestones so he sat unsupported around 9/10 mth and he bum shuffled at about 14 mth once he learnt to get around he was no longer interested in trying to stand, if I helped him he would pull his legs up or just sit down.
After reading this thread I have put him in a pair of sturdy shoes as I think his ankles seem very bendy and weak and borrowed a walker to get him used to being in a standing position both of which seem to have helped. I don't think he has any obvious low muscle tone but he seems to take a long time to build up muscle to do big skills like the sitting etc.
So this long ramble is really a big thank you to everyone for posting their challenges and solutions as it has helped me and my son a lot

Nancyclancy Wed 10-Apr-13 17:36:04

That's really lovely Housewren it's just so reassuring knowing that there are others in a similar situation.
It's interesting that you've mentioned your sons head, because to begin with I wasn't concerned that my dd wasn't walking but she seemed to lack the general movement that babies have. She was quite stiff and although she was sitting at about 7 1/2 months, she couldn't roll until she turned 16 months. She couldn't get from laying down to sitting until 20 months.

Everyone kept saying that she'd do it in her own time, but I felt if she couldn't do the most basics, how could she possibly progress?
So, I took her to a Cranial Osteopath on the advice of a friend. I was a bit hmm at first.
But I do feel he helped release tension and he commented on her flat head. I did notice this but I hadn't thought it was particularly flat. Also my dd has alot of hair. He said that head shapes can be linked to the delay of gross motor skills in some cases.

We haven't been for a while because he's not cheap but I do think it was worth while. My dd rolls about all over the place now and does everything really except walk. It's not until I read back over this thread that I realised just how much our children have come on.

I think my dd was set back by general lack of muscle tone and is now simply catching up.

Housewren Wed 10-Apr-13 18:26:38

I was considering taking him to a chiropractor to see if that helps, as he seems to wants to extend more than flex and his general slow progress. he had to wear a helmet for 4 months to correct the plagiocephaly, it helped a lot but there is still a flat spot, he also had a lot of hair but his plagiocephaly was so significant that his skull basically shifted forward on one side, his ear and eye also moved position and his forehead bilged on one side, he is much better now and if you didn't know he had had a problem you couldn't tell.
I get a lot of the he will do it in his own time, which does not help at all,
It is definitely reassuring to hear other people have the same or similar challenges and managed to find solutions. He is still in his shoes atm and he is wanting to stand for short periods of time so I think I will continue doing the exercises in them an dose how we get on.
I am glad to read that yours is progressing well.

inadreamworld Sat 13-Apr-13 19:37:31


She has had the support boots for just a month and I think they have helped massively. She should have had them earlier really but I believed the doctors when they said she didn't need them. Lovely Mumsnetters sent me their DCs hand boots for her and I will be buying new oned when she grows out of these. Even without the boots she can walk but is less confident and her ankles still a bit bendy but they are straightening out a lot.

Housewren glad this thread has helped. Do try her in the boots to see if they make a difference. I have also met another Mum in real life who has a 20 month old girl who is not walking. So it is not as unusual as we imagine.

holidaysarenice Sat 13-Apr-13 19:46:44

I used to be a physio with kids and lots didn't walk to this age, but I can understand why you haven't noticed others.

The pushing toys on her knees is a good sign! Its seen as a step between crawling and walking. Get her doing lots of this and lots of sitting at a low table playing, sitting on her knees (tall sitting). If she's reaching for things she is playing with, she won't notice as much that she's having to get higher on her knees etc.

Yes yes to sturdy shoes too, little ankle boot types are good for support. Geox and kickers are good.

And swimming all the time.

Hope it helps - I'm sure your physio will be ace.

holidaysarenice Sat 13-Apr-13 19:49:22

I've just read the rest of your posts! Just ignore mine its not relevant now!

Well done to your little girl!!!

inadreamworld Sat 13-Apr-13 22:40:19

Thanks anyway holidays it is helpful to know that DD is not alone in walking late! She did walk on her knees all the time and still does it sometimes even now she can walk unaided - because at the moment she can go faster on her knees than she can on her feet.

Nancyclancy Mon 15-Apr-13 23:28:05

inadreamworld I'm so envious but happy too that your dd has started walking. Just in time for the summer too! (When it finally arrives!)

My dd has a pair of Clarkes ankle boots. I studied her ankles today and they seem ok, but she definitely 'walks' better in boots compared to bare feet. I'm going to keep them on her during the day because she does seem to associate her shoes with walking.

Today we practised in the garden. Walking with her slow moving pushchair, she will not walk with it in the house but was really happy to do it outside. My dh walked up and down the path continuously with her, he was holding onto the handle to stop it going too fast (not supporting her at all.)
She loved it and when it was tea time she had a screaming fit because she had to come in. Also we've got a little step in our garden and she knows to lift her foot higher to get up it.

I've decided to get her ears checked, just to rule out any balance issues. Because she walks perfectly holding our hands but is still struggling with pulling herself up. She's not hypermobile either.
She's also quite bad tempered which I think is partly due to her age and being frustrated. So thought it was worth getting checked in case she's in pain.

Also my dh was talking to someone today whose ds didn't walk until he was 2 1/2. He's now in his 50's and they never knew why!

inadreamworld Tue 23-Apr-13 22:50:48

Hi Nancy glad your DD is making progress. Can she stand up from sitting without holding on to anything? DD has just mastered this skill which I think has helped her confidence. Although she is walking now she is still very attached to the knee walking habit and goes back to it a lot, especially when indoors. She walks normally when outside although sometimes prefers someone to hold her hand. Today she walked accross the room, bent down to pick up a toy and then walked off with it. Previously she would have walked on her knees.

Keep me updated nancy!

mamjar Wed 24-Apr-13 20:59:42

My DS2 is 16 months and still not walking or even cruising. I have been very worried, aprticularly as until his past fortnight he was still only commando crawling and not pulling up to stand at all. He has now mastered the more traditional crawling position and pulling up to stand on everything (whether it's safe or not so I have got to have eyes on him all the time!). When he got to be 13 months and still wasn't even crawling we did get a referral to paediatrician and had his hips and legs x-rayed, he also had a blood test to check for muscular dystrophy and other muscle diseases but all came back clear, thank God! The doctor now thinks he may be slightly hypermobile so has referred us for physiotherapy but I am worried how this will work as DS2 is majorly clingy and has a big fear of strangers and especially medical proffessionals poking about with him, I am assuming because of the xray and the blood tests he is a little more wary than others.

It is such a worrying time when other children of his age are zooming around running and climbing and my DS2 who is big for his age so actually looks about 2 is still only just mastering crawling. It is so hard not to compare him to DS1 as he crawled at 8 months and walked at 11 months. It's good to hear from others who are or have been in the same situation.

Good to hear from the OP that your little girl is now walking and making progress every day by the sounds of it. Sometimes I feel like DS2 will just never walk which is stupid but he seems like a toddler stuch in a 9 month old baby's body which must be hard for him aswell as us.

inadreamworld Wed 24-Apr-13 22:48:42

Hello mamjar yes it is frustrating when all the others of his age are running around! But as his blood tests have come back clear you can be reassured that there isn't anything serious wrong and he will walk eventually. At 16 months my DD wasn't pulling up at all and wouldn't even put any weight on her legs. She did start crawling normally at 12 months and wan't huge for her age so people just thought she was younger. Yes DD is making progress every day and is doing a bit less walking on her knees and more normal walking.

Nancyclancy Fri 26-Apr-13 23:53:09

Yes I will keep you posted inadreamworld but be prepared to wait, I don't think it'll be anytime soon. grin

DD hasn't really progressed much more. But to be honest I'm past worrying now. She moves generally with ease and I think it's lack of confidence now. If I'm sitting on the floor, she'll pull herself up using me to cling onto. But she's still reluctant to pull up on sofa and she can't stand up without holding onto something.

I spoke to a lady today who's ds was a bum shuffler and he didn't walk until he was 2 1/2. He's now 18 and fine. They never knew why he walked so late!
Every now and then I feel a bit down about it as I feel she's missing out so much and seems so behind. But she's not concerned.

Just wish she'd do it!

Nancyclancy Wed 07-Aug-13 13:42:18

FINALLY!!!! At the grand age of 27 months. My dd took the plunge and walked across our front room unsupervised! Very wobbly but it's a good start and gives us something to work on!!! Hooray!!
How's your dd getting on inadreamworld?

Gyllenhaalic Wed 07-Aug-13 19:32:58

Wow well done to your little one! How amazing. What a moment to remember! I have read this thread often and never got round to posting. My 19 month old is the same although he does pull up to stand now. He didn't craw until 15 months.

He's having physio just to tone up his muscles and try and gee him on a bit. He's also had blood tests and xrays, all of which came back clear thank goodness. I am just hoping he just one day walks like your DD!

Nancyclancy Wed 07-Aug-13 21:27:34

Hi Gyllenhaalic, my dd is a bum shuffler although she can crawl too.
This morning when I woke up, I would never have guessed that today would be the day.
She has had blood tests, regular visits to the paediatrician, and an MRI (which showed nothing.)
She has been seen by a physio too who couldn't find anything wrong either. So it's been a real mystery. I was really worried because compared with everyone else she's so behind. I've never met a similar child.

We have spent the last few months constantly walking around with her holding both her hands, which she likes doing. I thought this would at least build her up a bit and get her using the right muscles. We had mixed opinions about shoes, I feel they have helped. I got her feet measured and then bought her a second hand pair of Clarkes boots on ebay. I thought boots might support her a bit more then just shoes.

It has been so frustrating, especially as she has become quite angry.
She has progressed so quickly today that I'm hoping she'll be walking around properly in no time.

What has been lovely though, is everyone has been so excited and pleased for her because she's taken so long!!

bishboschone Wed 07-Aug-13 21:30:33

Hi .. This thread has given more some hope.. My son is 25 months and not walking.. He has a Kaye walker and walks well with that and with our hands .. Keep the hope keep the hope !! smile

Nancyclancy Wed 07-Aug-13 21:51:36

grin I've only just discovered Kaye walkers. No-one had mentioned them to us.
The good thing to come from my dd walking so late is even people in our village who I'd never spoken to ask after her. One man told me that his son (now in his 50's) didn't walk until he was 2 1/2, for no reason.

I have found it so hard watching everyone else's babies overtake my dd and her being so frustrated. I've even avoided toddler groups because she'd get so cross and angry.

She's got a way to go but it's a good start!! I do think the later they are, the less confident they become!

bishboschone Wed 07-Aug-13 21:58:48

Nor me .. I saw a child with one and went out and got one .. Is your daughter delayed in every thing or just walking? I bet you are relived .. My back is killing me !

Gyllenhaalic Wed 07-Aug-13 22:57:26

bishbochone, sorry to be nosy but how does your son seem at not being able to walk? I only ask because my DS is just plain miserable every day. He always has been hard work but increasingly he is getting angry and frustrated at himself and us. He loves us walking him around holding his hands but there is only so long I can do this for! My back is also killing! It seems like he's never been happy (was reflux baby- so we thought, tried medication but eventually seemed to grow out of i, just in time for the frustration and tantrums to begin sad )

Nancy, I am so glad you gave us an update. Really happy for you and DD. I bet she's so happy she can do it! I keep hoping it might be the key to my DS cheering up <clutches straws>

bishboschone Wed 07-Aug-13 22:59:39

You could have just described him exactly !! Reflux and all.. How old is your dc? He loves walking with his walker and if he sees it he points and shouts until I take him out for a walk !

bishboschone Wed 07-Aug-13 23:01:10

Sorry I have just scrolled up and seen he is 19
Months.. ! He crawled at 12 months but commando . He only started crawling properly at 18 months so we are way behind .

Gyllenhaalic Wed 07-Aug-13 23:22:52

Just googled Kaye walkers! I wonder why thy the physiothersapist never mentioned these to me? He's also seen an orthotist at the hospital and had some orthopedic boots made for him. I'm not sure they're doing any good to be honest. The physio seems to think he may have slightly weak ankles and mild hypomobility in his knees. Anyway, the boots seems very heavy and even when he's holding both our hands he trips on them and seems less stable than before but maybe that's just a case of getting used to them. I keep hearing mixed things about shoes too Nancy The paeditrician he was already under for his reflux, said the best thing was to let him crawl, pull up and cruise bare footed in order to build up his strength, then the physiotherapist said these piedro boots might help so she refered us to the orthotist. I am torn now not knowing how to help him.

Yes bishboshone he's 19 months. Very unhappy, demanding time in his life. Poor boy. He sounds just like your DS. Has your DS got any other delays? How is his speech? My DS's speech is coming along very slowly but he seems within the 'normal' limits. He has a fair few words, maybe 30 odd but none of them are very clear. I just keep worrying that he'll always be playing catch up with other children his age.

bishboschone Thu 08-Aug-13 08:19:58

No my ds speech is not good. We haven't got piedro boots because my physio says he doesn't have hyper mobile ankles.you can buy a walker for eBay for around £100 but If you are anywhere me you are. Welcome to try mine .( West Sussex)

Gyllenhaalic Thu 08-Aug-13 22:24:21

Thank you for replying. Sorry I seem like I'm being nosey (I am a bit grin ) but all my friends have had these walking at 10 months, talking in sentences at 18 months babies and I just have never met another child like my DS.

Sorry to hear your DS is not good with speech though. I think that only adds to their misery and frustration. To be honest my DS1 was a bit of a grump until he could walk and talk but thankfully he was walking by his first birthday and talking pretty well by about 20 months so DS2 seems well behind sad .

Do you know how many words your DS has? Have you spoken to anyone about his language? It could of course be absolutely fine so no point in worrying but I've always wondered with my DS if the two delays he has are related. I don't know. It's like he's still a baby when all the other kids, some of them even younger than him are well into toddlerdom by now. I still have to plan for things and activities as is he was a baby. Pushchair, which he gets bored in anyway. soft play, he just crawls around in the baby area. He can't really get much from a trip to the park because as DS1 runs around and climbs everything, DS2 just crawls about moaning! I have to make sure the ground is dry, safe etc. It's just so much harder. I know people say enjoy the baby phase while it lasts but I am well and truly done with it! I want him to become a child but I worry how he'll be growing up and if any other delays will show up as he gets older and keeps missing milestones. Poor boy is just not a happy soul at the moment.

Thank you so much for the offer of trying out the walker. That's very kind and thoughtful of you. Unfortunitely we're in Yorkshire so a fair way from you! flowers thank you for the thought though!

bishboschone Fri 09-Aug-13 07:39:27

Again you could have described my ds.. We go to the park but he gets wet knees. , all
His shorts are worn out and he needs a buggy wherever we go. I think ill pm you . What a shame you are in Yorkshire .

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