What time does your toddler wake up?

(57 Posts)
LittleMilla Mon 12-Nov-12 10:41:41

Please help solve an argument in our house.

DS is 18 mo and wakes up crying every day about 6am after just 10.5 hrs sleep. Goes to bed and is asleep by 7.30pm. He is still tired when he wakes but refuses to go back to sleep.

Why time do your LO's wake up and how much sleep do they have at night?


ZuleikaD Mon 12-Nov-12 11:08:14

Both usually awake by 5.30, asleep by 7pm in the evening. Both still having a lunchtime nap from about 12-2. DD is 3.7, DS 23m.

Does your DS still have two naps during the day? Waking up crying/yelling in the morning is normal at 18m - they generally grow out of it by 2.

LittleMilla Mon 12-Nov-12 11:56:55

Ds has just one nap at midday for 1-1.5 hours.

What I am trying to decipher is roughly how much sleep most LOs get?

Thanks ZuelikaD

FredFredGeorge Mon 12-Nov-12 12:02:20

17mo DD - 6-7am normally to wake up, sleep is 8-9pm, generally wakes up reasonably happy and cheery and wanting to play.

LittleMilla Mon 12-Nov-12 15:26:37

So Fred - about 10 hours a night? Thx

Anyone else?

14 hours a night - asleep by 8 and I have to wake her up at 10!! Still has a 2 hour nap in the day. V v lucky I know.... However 6 week old DS on the other hand doesn't seem to know what sleep is

RockySpeed Mon 12-Nov-12 15:29:27

DS is 2.7, goes down for 7 and usually. Awake around 6 so 11 hours (no naps) he usually wakes up crying too!

RillaBlythe Mon 12-Nov-12 15:31:30

Dd2 is 13, goes down at 7 and sleep till 7 with a coupe of wake ups.

Dd1 never needed more than 10.5 hrs tho.

wanderingalbatross Mon 12-Nov-12 15:31:45

DD is 17mo and normally sleeps 8:30pm-7am with 2 1.5 hour naps in the day.

I found this site useful for sleep info:


me23 Mon 12-Nov-12 15:33:38

Lo 19 months sleeps from 7.15 -5:30am (he wakes durin night too) he naps for 1.5 hours in the day.

bonzo77 Mon 12-Nov-12 15:44:23

DS 2.8 sleeps 8pm - 7.15 ish. But now he is in a bed he doesn't want to get up straight away, he lies in bed and chats / sings / plays for a while. Though strangely does not get out of bed hmm

mejon Mon 12-Nov-12 15:58:15

21m DD2 goes to bed at 7 and is usually asleep pretty quickly. She usually wakes around 7am - sometimes earlier (she'll often just chatter to herself and sometimes nods off again), somtimes later. If we're home she generally has a morning nap of around 30 minutes and one after lunch of between 1 and 2 hours. If we're out and about she can go without but tends to zonk out after tea and needs to go to bed early.

Goldensunnydays81 Mon 12-Nov-12 16:03:28

Ds whos just 2 sleeps from about 8.30 til 8ish then has a nap for about 2-2.5 hrs so in total about 14ish hours

MrsBucketxx Mon 12-Nov-12 16:06:36

both of my dc's are in bed for 7pm. ds is 2.8 and get up about 7 singing chatting, sometimes he get up on his own, but mostly waits for us. dd is 15months and is up at six crying for me. she also has a nap in the morning for about an hour.

LittleMilla Mon 12-Nov-12 16:11:01

That table is helpful wandering.

From that I can say that DS generally gets c.12 hours a day inc naps which is at the lower end of the 'averages'.

I think the bit that bugs me is he seems tired - yawning, bags under eyes etc when eating breakfast. But this morning when I went in to try and resettle him he was screaming "up, up!" and as I lent in to his cot pulled himself on to me. Sat down for a cuddle and he pulled off his sleeping bag, threw bunnies back in his cot etc. However, he's often happy to stay in his room so long someone is in with him to have a cuddle.

Bonzo I cannot WAIT for DS to be happy to lie in bed and play.

Maketea envy

DH just discussing this am if he's completely normal and we need to just let him get up. Or if it's worth trying to re-settle him until 7am...just wondered what other LOs are doing.

You can prob tell DS is pfb blush

applecharlotte Mon 12-Nov-12 16:37:05

DS is 21 months:

At night goes to bed between 8-8.30 and usually up at 6.45am.

Naps for about 1.5 hours in the day.

DublinDoll Mon 12-Nov-12 16:45:07

My youngest has just turned 4 and still wakes every morning between 5am and 6am, doesn't matter what time he goes to bed at. It's driving me mad.

ZuleikaD Mon 12-Nov-12 16:58:20

I wouldn't bother trying to resettle him - if he's up, he's up.

MrsJohnDeere Mon 12-Nov-12 17:02:16

My 4.9yo is a terrible sleeper. He just doesn't need that much sleep, amd has been like this ever since 9 months old. I kept hoping it was a phase and he'd grow out of it, but he hasn't. He never sleeps beyond 6am, and often is awake well before. We've tried later bedtimes, more exercise, less exercise etc. makes no difference at all. Resigned to it now....

YankNCock Mon 12-Nov-12 17:04:38

DS1 3.2 is usually up between 6am-6:30, and there is absolutely no keeping him in his room, no 'playing quietly'. He comes in our room, jumps on us, yells 'WAKE UP MUMMY, WAKE UP DADDY!' several times, demands to go downstairs, pulls the covers off, and one morning decided to unspool a toilet roll on to my head when I didn't get up fast enough.

He's usually asleep by 8pm sometimes 8:30. So he gets 10 hours now, and he stopped napping about age 2.5.

geekonthehill Mon 12-Nov-12 17:19:54

2 year old DS has always managed on 10-12 hours inc naps. Is now nearly 3 and since dropping his naps goes to bed like a dream at 7 but has always woken 5:30-6:30. Like others we are resigned to it now.
I will get my revenge when he is a teen.

smellsofsick Mon 12-Nov-12 18:15:28

DD at 22 months has a two hour nap and does 7pm till about 7.15/7.30. Still really needs a nap after lunch, so about 14 hours.

Lavenderhoney Mon 12-Nov-12 18:27:18

6 or a bit earlier. Dd is 3. She is wide awake and full of beans. Usually goes to wake ds upsmile then he wakes me up moaning about her. She might have a nap depending on what we do, activities or big walk, shoppin etc for about 2 hours as she falls asleep in the car to collect ds from school. She goes to bed about 8 or a bit later. Ds is earlier. It's the car driving that messes us up.

It depends on the child though? I always wake early anyway and am irritatingly cheerful and dh is sleepyhead who finds it easy to go back to sleep. I couldn't do that.

LittleMilla Mon 12-Nov-12 20:03:47

I am the sleepyhead in our house and so find it so unbelievably horrible tough to get up at 6am. In my head the world doesn't start until 7am and even 18 months of early mornings my internal body clock is stuck. Sigh.

OK, so I am gleaning from this that DS is very normal. Great ever so slightly upset though as I need to once again shift my expectations!

wearymum200 Mon 12-Nov-12 20:17:53

I'm with MrsJohnDeere, ds1 dropped daytime naps at 15mo, slept from abt 630 or 7 to 5am. He's now nearly 7 and still wakes at 5am and goes to sleep between 730 and 8.
This too will pass!

RyleDup Mon 12-Nov-12 20:25:41

Ds is nearly 3. Goes to bed at 6 or 7pm and wakes up at about 8am. He used to wake up really early, but we seem to have got lucky these days.

RillaBlythe Mon 12-Nov-12 20:56:11

I wouldn't bother fighting this one, you won't win. DP invested a lot of anger time into trying to get DD1 to sleep in past 6am when she was smaller. Never ever happened until she dropped her afternoon nap.

Ds is 2, goes to bed like a dream at 7 and sleeps til 6-630 usually, occasionally a little earlier, even less occasionally a bit later. Naps for 2 hours ish at about half 11.

housesalehelp Mon 12-Nov-12 22:06:44

yup normal - I don't mind mornings so do most of them with DS2 - DH - who is a night bird mostly stays in bed and we go down stairs and watch cbeebies- could your DH do this sometimes if you struggle?
when DS1 was about 3 we got a rabbit clock and he wasn't allowed to get up until the bunny was awake -which was about 7

rocket100mum Mon 12-Nov-12 22:30:46

My dd is 2.5 she's pretty much always been a twelve hour sleeper. if she goes down at 8, shes up at 8. You always know where you are with her. However, my 1 year old twins are a different kettle of fish and have really rocked the boat with my dd sleeping patterns too. But generally speaking go down at 8/9 and get up at 6/7. They still nap for two hours of the day.

WA4 Tue 13-Nov-12 18:33:34

It's suggested that an average 18mth old needs 12-13 hrs a day (inclusive of any daytime naps), but it doesn't matter what "average" is; all that matters is what your LO has.
I think the most important thing is the time that he wakes and wonder if there's anything disturbing him around that time. Is there a neighbour banging a door/car door around that time, the milkman, does the heating come on and it's noisy, is he cold and uncomfortable. You might find that if you could find why he wakes and eliminate it, he'd sleep longer and wake up in a better mood later on.
Hope it helps.

BabydollsMum Tue 13-Nov-12 20:59:40

LittleMilla we're the same with 21mo DD. Even as a small baby she only managed around 12 hours in 24. Now I'm trying to get her to do 8 til 8 (ish) but I fear I'm expecting too much of her. She still naps most days and does exactly an hour but at nights, flipping heck, it's really tough at the moment. We're seeing a sleep specialist at the end of the month so I'm really interested to hear what she has to say. So jealous of the two-hour naps! Like you I couldn't cope with an early waker but I guess if she starts sleeping through she may well become one of those. brew brew brew

LittleMilla Tue 13-Nov-12 21:21:23

I mustn't complain given he sleeps through every night except when ill.

I did hang out on an early waking thread in sleep for ages though as ds used to be up any time from 4.30pm grin? That was solved by a Ferber book but now I've sort of lost perspective on what's 'normal' as I seem to only speak to 7-7 ppl in rl.

General nap is 1-1.5 hrs around midday and averaging 10.5 hrs per night. So max of 12 hrs which just doesn't seem enough. But hey ho.

Sorry not to name check as I'm on my phone. Heating doesn't come on until 6.30 and the bugger is normally awake by then grin. But then he can sleep until 7.45 at times??

Snoozebaby Tue 13-Nov-12 21:37:18

My 24mo sleeps 7-7 with 2hours during the day. It sounds like you need to track your child's sleep. I use an iphone app called Snoozebaby.

LittleMilla Tue 13-Nov-12 21:43:57

Snoozebaby - you are recommending something that has the same name as your profile. Hmmmm hmm

Cynical me would say you're plugging something. Plus you appear to have a mythical child that most read about...

lindsell Tue 13-Nov-12 21:53:32

Have you tried putting him to bed earlier/ having another nap in the day? It's possible that he's overtired and ime that usually means they don't sleep as well and therefore get disturbed/wake up more easily.

Ds1 has always needed quite a lot of sleep, when he was still having a daytime nap (usually of 2hrs) he would sleep 7.30-7ish, he's now 3.8 and doesn't nap but is in bed and asleep by 6.30pm and doesn't wake until between 7.30-8 - I'm lucky I know but then 6mo ds2 makes up for it by waking several times.

Of course every toddler is different and some don't seem to need the sleep but as you say he's still seeming v tired then might be worth trying another nap/earlier bed.

LittleMilla Wed 14-Nov-12 11:17:27

lindsell two naps just don't happen any more, if he naps in the morning then that;s it.

I have considered putting him to be earlier but I am TERRIFIED it will result in even earlier waking. This morning he woke up at 5:50am!! And went to bed at 7:45pm.

I fear we're slipping back in to early waking again which means I'll need to resort to the Ferber technique of being tough confused.

Maybe I'll try getting him to bed for 7.15pm tonight. He's needing an earlier nap today (as am I!) which means we're missing the bloody expensive swimming lesson. All this is nicely coinciding with me accepting a FT job which I start in a couple of weeks.

Sorry for self-indulgent rant.

rrreow Wed 14-Nov-12 17:54:22

DS 18 months. Bed at 8 (asleep by 8.30ish), wakes up at 7.30.

matana Wed 14-Nov-12 19:49:54

Ds is 2 next week and sleeps 7.30/8 till 7.30/8 and has 1.5 to 2 hours nap at about 2pm.He has always loved his sleep and is one of the most active toddlers I know during the day.

vix206 Thu 15-Nov-12 07:25:00

DS is 2.3. Doesn't matter what time he goes to sleep he always wakes around 6AM. Usually he's asleep by 7.30. He has 1-1.5 hours a night. So he tends to have 11-12 hours sleep in very 24. I wish he'd have more but compared to when he was a baby, it is bliss.

vix206 Thu 15-Nov-12 07:28:34

And just to add, tracking his sleep on an app isn't going to help IMO!! I did this obsessively for the first 18 months. Guess what? DS slept terribly, and I obsessed over the data feeling like a total failure of a mother.

The OP is well aware of her DS's sleep patterns so I don't think a sleep tracking app is going to improve things at this stage.

PearlyWhites Thu 15-Nov-12 07:30:53

Dd3 is 22 months she goes to bed at 7.30 and sleeps till 8. I am very lucky smile I do have ds1 at 3 months waking through the night at early riser so it's just as well dd3 is such a good sleeper.

StarMeKitten Thu 15-Nov-12 08:22:06

LittleMilla I would definitely have a go at putting him to bed earlier as waking up crying is usually a sign if overtiredness.

My DD is 22mo but at that age was having 2hr nap about 12.30-2.30 then in bed by 6.45pm to get up between 6.45am-7.15am.

She has always seemed to need quite a lot of sleep though..(like her mummy smile)

LittleMilla Thu 15-Nov-12 13:19:21

So I put him to bed a bit earlier last night - was down by 7.15pm. He slept until 6.20am and then I didn't actually go in to him until 6.40am - he was whinging but not full on howling grin.

Aiming for the same again tonight as I've suspected for some time that he hasn't been getting enough sleep. Also, the Ferber book talks a lot about sleep cycles and by tweaking bed time slightly it can mean he finishes his penultimate cycle that bit earlier so he'll carry on sleeping IYKWIM?

Thanks all for your input on here, very helpful indeed.

WitchesTit Thu 15-Nov-12 13:23:41

Ds 22 months old. Bed at 8pm til 7.30am and one nap mid morning for about 2 hours.

So 13.5 hours in total. He's always been a little darling sleep wise. Coming after his brother who didn't sleep the night through til he was 3, I feel truly blessed.

BlingLoving Thu 15-Nov-12 13:30:55

What about putting him down earlier? If ds wakes up from 5:30 onwards, hes up. No resettling. But if he's still tired perhaps try an earlier bed time. Ds is 18 months and needs to be in bed before 7:15 otherwise he wakes up earlier.

Fantail Thu 15-Nov-12 18:14:35

DD is 20 months. Asleep by about 7.30. Awake between 6 and 6.30. Has on average 2 hours in middle of day. So about 12 1/2 hours on average.

She has recently started grizzling at 5.30ish, sometime she will resettle, sometimes she needs help. My Mum's theory is that this is when she does a wee and she is aware of the feeling and it wakes her. Could be right as she has started to tell me during the day.

vix206 Sat 17-Nov-12 09:07:32

Yes the sleep cycle thing makes sense, I've read that from several sources. Theory is that 7pm is the sweet spot, but I'm finding 7.15 better for DS

MumToAManiac Sat 17-Nov-12 23:08:03

My DS is 18months and he goes to bed at 7ish and that's him til 7.30/8am the next morning. At the weekends he would sleep longer, obviously because we're not getting up for work and disturbing him, he would usually sleep til about 9ish at the weekends. And one memorable sunday morning he slept til 10.45 smile
He usually has an hour nap in morning time just before lunch, usually about 11/11.30am.

LittleMilla Sun 18-Nov-12 07:56:16

So something has got to give as he was up at 5.45am this morning hmm.

Fantail my DS often does a poo to signify that he's ready to get up. I changed him this morning in the dark and then put him back down and he did have another 15 mins of quiet time, but that was it. He's now very aware of what's going on down there and often greets us with "it's a poo!!" and points down below grin.

Had quite a bit sleep yesterday for almost 2 hours and DH reckons that is why he woke up that bit earlier.

Should we be limiting his nap to an hour? He just feels too young to drop his nap, plus he seems to still need one.

He's starting nursery four days a week soon and so I'll see how that all pans out re:naps etc. He actually sleeps on the mats there for 1.5 hours which tells me he MUST be tired in the daytime as that's quite hardcore!

Girlsville Sun 18-Nov-12 13:40:05

I don't think you need to limit his nap yet. Dd2 is 18 months, she is in bed by 630 or 645, asleep by 7pm and wakes around 7.30am ish. She naps for 2 hours 12.45 to2.45.

Dd1 is 2.10 and starting to drop her nap, but is exhausted so on no nap days goes to bed at 6.30pm and up at 8 am. I always find that if she goes to bed later, ie after 715 pm, she wakes earlier, ie before 7.

It seems to me that sleep begets sleep, it is not helpful if they are overtired and although I always worry if I out the dds to bed earlier than usual, they never wake early and actually often sleep in longer.

mewkins Sun 18-Nov-12 20:37:14

OP have you tried a high carb snack just before bed?may be waking earlyish if hungry so a snack like toast/ bagel etc may fill him up ( this would be as well as normal milk). Dd is 2.5,bed at 7.45 and usually have to wake her at 7.30. She has a nap of 30 mins every few days but is sort of outgrowing. She wakes happily every morning but is grumpy as hell when woken from a nap, always has been.

DS 22 months goes to bed usually at 7:30pm, and is awake between 6:30am - 7:30am, so around 11 - 12 hours. Occassionally, he'll sleep less or more. Naps range from 2 - 3 hours.

MaMattoo Sun 18-Nov-12 23:34:08

2.5 yr old DS bed at 7.30 (asleep by 8) awake and chatty at 6-7am. Naps for 1.5 - 2 hrs during the day. Sleeps from 12-4 on weekends as we cuddle up in a big bed and he swims on weekends. At nursery they think this much sleep is ok.

LittleMilla Mon 19-Nov-12 10:27:21

Thanks all for replies. On phone so can't name check.

He has a law supper at about 6 normally as nursery give them tea about 3.30. He's usually ready for brekkie at 7 but not crying for food iykwim?

Weirdly he didn't wake up until 7am today after going to bed at 7.45. Introduced pillow and duvet in prep for him having a bed in a few months' time so unsure if that contributed? He also had a good 1.45 nap yest too.

It's all so baffling!!!

I'm still taking away from this that he sleeps less than most his age which is interesting.

duchesse Mon 19-Nov-12 10:30:47

Usually not less than 9 hours after she went to bed (I am very lucky). So if she goes to bed late, she wakes up late. If she goes to bed at a sensible time (ie before 9), she will sleep until 8 am. She also has a 1.5 hour nap in the afternoon.

I do feel for the parents of early risers. My oldest child didn't get up appallingly early but he was never a great sleeper and rarely went to sleep before 10 or 11 at that age if he'd had a daytime nap. He never seemed to need more than 8 hours sleep until he was past 16.

Kiwiinkits Mon 19-Nov-12 14:51:33

I wouldn't shorten his daytime nap and I think putting him to bed a bit earlier will probably help. I think the norm is 10-12 hours at night and 1.5-2 hours during the day.

The other thing I thought of - and this is a bit random - is that grizzlyness and dark circles under the eyes are both signs of dehydration. Could it be that he's really thirsty when he wakes rather than being tired?

Mine are both 7pm - 6.30am sleepers so they aren't mythical (but I'm lucky, I think!)

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