4mo starting solids

(48 Posts)
MrsRV Tue 17-Jul-12 21:39:33

DD is just over 4mo & we introduced some pureed pears last week. She has this once a day at around lunchtime, just a few spoons full at the mo and half of the milk feed she'd usually have at this time. It's going well & she seems to be getting on ok, she's a bit constipated but I think I just need to give her more water to try to help? Thought the pears would work! So, that's all fine but now what? Planning on giving her carrot puree next... But do I just replace pears with carrots or give carrots at a different time of day as well as pears? Confused about the when's and how's? Help!

msrantsalot Tue 17-Jul-12 21:43:41

Its been a while since I had a wee one but i started both of mine on small amounts of baby rice mixed with their bottle milk. Its pretty bland I suppose and one day I got home and DP was feeding her baby eggs (hard boiled eggs mushed up in cup with butter!) I guess its trial and error every kid is different, maybe try her carrots one day pears the next?

msrantsalot Tue 17-Jul-12 21:45:13

Oh and back in the day we gave solids from 3 months, this four months thing is new, so I wouldn't worry if she eats it then i would say you're doing fine

RaisinDEtre Tue 17-Jul-12 21:45:42

why don't you give up for now, wait til she's a bit older then no need to faff with pureeeing nosh.

Seona1973 Tue 17-Jul-12 21:51:16

I wouldnt reduce any milk feeds as early solids are about introducing new tastes/textures not to replace milk which is much more important. (I assume you already know the guidelines for introducing solids changed to 6 months in 2003 from between 4-6 months prior to that).

As she is only 4 months I would give carrot instead of pear rather than introducing a second meal. Avoid gluten, egg, dairy, meat, citrus fruits, peanuts, fish until 6 months.

ShowOfHands Tue 17-Jul-12 21:53:29

Is she showing the signs that she's ready? Sitting up, loss of tongue thrust, able to accurately pick up objects, put them in her mouth, chew and swallow?

The worry is that at 4 months they often aren't ready (guidelines are 6 months) and instead it just upsets an immature gut. If you're seeing constipation since giving the puree and planning on introducing water to combat it on top of already reduced feeds, then you're cutting the amount of milk she's having, replacing it with fewer calories (plus water which fills without the nutrition) and at this age all of the nutrition/calories should be coming from milk.

Nearer to 6 months you can just let her join in with your mealtimes and help herself to a range of foods. You'd cut out the worry of constipation and probably find it a bit less stressful.

Catsdontcare Tue 17-Jul-12 21:56:34

4 months is too early to replace milk with food. A few spoonfuls of pear won't have anywhere near the nutrients of half a milk feed and if she is constipated then sounds like she's too young. "food is for fun" at 6 months

barbie1 Tue 17-Jul-12 21:56:36

I followed Annabel karmel, she introduced baby rice first, then pear, carrot and apple. Each given at lunch time for three consecutive days before introducing the next flavor. She suggest root vegetables so the baby doesnt get a liking for purely sweet things.

Nigglenaggle Tue 17-Jul-12 22:15:39

Annabel Karmel is the queen of weaning smile We also weaned 'early' - but our baby was huge and I was happy he was ready. They are all individuals. To start with we did just vegetables/fruits and found he was really constipated and windy. We had to stop and have a break of a few days, but he was hungry and 300ml of milk a feed wasnt filling him, so started again with baby rice only. This seemed much more digestible, if dull! We reintroduced fruit and veg more gradually and it has been much more successful - we have to limit his intake as he would eat until he popped! And Annabel still advises a minimum of 500ml formula/breast milk a day alongside. Read her books and form your own opinions - she has done some serious research and knows her stuff! The Complete Baby and Toddler Meal Planner is good smile

Nigglenaggle Tue 17-Jul-12 22:16:47

P.S. I know they say food is for fun at this age, but it depends on your baby - for ours it was a need!!!

MrsRV Wed 18-Jul-12 08:46:46

Thanks for all the responses. I have very much looked into weaning at 4/6 months old and the pros and cons & feel DD is ready. She has always suffered with constipation on & off since she was born so I'm not overly worried about this.

The water - won't be replacing any feeds, will be in addition. The 1/2 milk feed - I try to give her the rest of her bottle after she has eaten but she just doesn't want it. I wouldn't leave her hungry.

Thank u to Nigglenaggle & barbie1 - exactly what I wanted to know! Will toddle off to buy Annabel Karmel today.

Seona1973 Wed 18-Jul-12 08:51:24

I didnt give milk with solids - I gave a full milk feed and then an hour or so later I gave the solids. This helps preserve the milk intake and lets them have a little bit of room for the solids. Milk and food at the same sitting can be too much for a small tummy and you want to keep the milk intake the same with solids as an added extra

brightonbleach Wed 18-Jul-12 16:40:22

mine loved pureed (and later mashed) advocado and banana, absolutely tons of goodness in that (and not as strange a mix as it sounds!). we were told not to try solids before 6m? baby rice was a good thing to mix with a tiny amount of fruit or veg puree to start with I remember. Cooked sweet potato and carrot is an excellent puree with alot of vitamins and fibre, mine is now 2.8 and still loves sweet pot and carrot albeit as a mash next to fishfingers!!

brettgirl2 Wed 18-Jul-12 20:20:32

If she's constipated are you sure there is enough water in her formula? The instructions on the carton are in ml not oz. One scoop per 30ml of water, an ounce of water is less.

louloutheshamed Wed 18-Jul-12 20:24:59

But surely you are replacing milk with solids if she doesn't want the second half of her bottle??

I don't understand why people start at 4m. Weaning with purées is the biggest faff ever, and has risks. Why not wait a bit til they can just get on with it themselves?

bessyboop Wed 18-Jul-12 20:44:25

I second loulou. Babies have a massive growth spurt at 4 months, look up '4 month sleep regression'... You should stick with the milk. It's tough - been through it 3 times, so I know how you feel. Why not try to give her more milk feeds? And try her on solids again at 6 months? Mine were/are BLW. DD3 is currently 8 months, and eats everything that we eat, with out me having to really mash/puree anything.

MamaBear17 Wed 18-Jul-12 21:16:52

I weaned my dd at 4 months on the advice of my GP. DD never really liked milk, and I struggled to get her to take it. We had a tough beginning, I tried to breastfeed but stopped on medical advice because I didn't produce milk properlu. Looking back, I should have forcefed myself and drank much more water to try and encourage my supply, but at the time I was so swept up in 'baby' that I completely forgot to eat. There was no one there to tell me that I had to eat more so when the doctor told me to switch to formula at 4 weeks I did. Anyway, My dd had colic from 2 weeks, she hated milk as a result (both what little boob milk I produced and formula). By 4 months she had dropped 2 centiles so the doctor told me to start weaning. She was ready, sitting up, had lost her tongue thrust etc, so the doctor assured me it would be fine. We started with babyrice, then after a few weeks I mixed veg or fruit puree with it - Anabel Karmel style. I stuck at single veg purees until she was 6 months and then we introduced a wider variety of foods and finger foods. Good luck and happy weaning!!x

EdgarAllenPimms Wed 18-Jul-12 21:23:47

there's no proven harm in weaning at 17 weeks on in this country (see Millenium cohort, European food safety review) so no risk to speak about.

so really no reason not to start then if you think it might help with sleep (though no evidence it will help with that either!)

personally i'd stick with higher calorie stuff such as rice & milk rather than veg purees to begin with, (avocado also high calorie, though some don't like it so much) ...though to begin with it is just getting them used to the taste/texture.

mummy2lola Sun 17-Feb-13 05:55:25

My dd is 3.5 months and I'm giving puréed fruit once a day mixed in with baby porridge.....I don't reduce her milk though....I treat the food as an added extra....she's a different baby !!! It's amazing how she loves it x

mummy2lola Sun 17-Feb-13 05:56:45

All this bollocks about wait until 6 months....you know when your baby is ready! Mine pulls the spoon in, and people have the cheek to say she's not ready???? Whatever!!!! You go girl....why not try baby juice for the constipation...dd loves that

LadyWidmerpool Sun 17-Feb-13 06:24:11

There are perfectly good reasons to delay- mess, sold food nappies nappies and the cost of food. Because unless there is a medical reason, small babies don't need solid food.

Of course a baby will suck on a spoon if they get the chance. It doesn't mean it's the optimum time to fundamentally change the food they eat. It's as good a sign as 'looking at my food'.

Babies guts are NOT ready for food at 3.5 months. Try doing some research first.

Any baby juice?! shock Argh there is no need!

MoppingMummy Sun 17-Feb-13 07:11:46

'All this bollocks about wait until 6 months...' hmm I'm sure you think your own personal experience makes you much more of an expert than those who have been researching weaning for yrs hmm.

Weaning at 6 months involves introducing normal, home cooked food to baby (not jars or packets of food) - far easier than starting early on unnecessary purees I can assure you. grin

Solids at 3.5 months? shockconfused mummy2lola is your baby really ready (i.e. independent or minimally supported sitting balance, and able to accurately see, grab and direct food straight into her own mouth) or are you just really keen to push her onto the next phase? I know it's exciting to progress your child, but the evidence is very convincing that early introduction of solids (i.e. before six months but especially before four months) is strongly linked to allergies, gut problems such as Crohn's, coeliac disease IBS, obesity and diabetes in much later life. Babies or young children may be 'fine' now, but why risk giving your child a really unpleasant middle- to late- adulthood? I just don't understand...sad

OP - current advice is that you give a full milk feed one hour before solids until well after six months. Especially at the age of four months when they really need additional calories due to a big growth spurt, you shouldn't be cutting any milk feeds at all, and should actually really be increasing them right up to six months.

And baby juice? I wouldn't even give my nine month old baby juice. Juice will be a 'sometimes drink' only when he's old enough to discover there are things to drink other than water and milk. Of course she 'loves it' - it's bloody sweet! Why give a baby a sweet tooth before they've even got teeth?!

KLou111 Sun 17-Feb-13 13:24:23

It might be worth buying a book? There's an annabel karmel one I think and a ahem....gina ford one. Personally I used the...ahem...gina ford one as I didn't have a clue what I was doing, all I knew I had a very hungry baby. I gave up breast feeding at 11 weeks due to tongue tie, which was cut at 3 weeks, but never sucked properly.
DS was drinking double the recommended hungry baby milk, so I had to start rice.
There were lots of nice purees in there, then next stage foods.

I know I'll get murdered for mentioning her name, but this was a book for the food, not the routine stuff smile

Now have a happy healthy 18 month old who loves his food!

KLou111 Sun 17-Feb-13 13:25:54

Oh, and I started at 13 weeks with a spoon on rice

KLou111 Sun 17-Feb-13 13:26:15

*of!

Babies' guts form properly, to allow solid food, between four and six months. Each baby is different but it's NEVER before four months and usually before six hence the guidelines. This thread is making me angry. Ds is twelve weeks and the thought of him having solids is just ridiculous.

Bunbaker Sun 17-Feb-13 13:47:05

"DS was drinking double the recommended hungry baby milk, so I had to start rice."

So you just give them more milk then, not solids. The guidelines are there for a reason. I have IBS and I'm sure it was because way back in the old days I was put on solids way before I was ready.

this is a thread from last July so the OP's child will be well into weaning by now (and nearly 1 year old!)

KLou111 Sun 17-Feb-13 16:54:47

Bunbaker, I phoned the hv and she told me to give him something more substantial if i felt the need as he was already drinking double the amount. He has always been 98th cent for height, 91st for weight, so he needed to eat, he was starving. as soon as he did, he was so much happier, and still had double the milk.

He has never been sick, bar a cold for teeth, and is happy and healthy.

A mother always wants the best for her child, and I was very nervous about giving solids, but for us it was the best thing we did.

Flisspaps Sun 17-Feb-13 17:04:19

Your HV was talking out of her hat.

DS was 98th centile or thereabouts at birth - 11lb 7oz and a 40.5cm head circumference - straight into 3 month old clothes, and needed nothing but BM until about 24 weeks.

But still, zombie thread resurrected by someone who hasn't any regard for weaning research

That HV should be struck off, if that's what he/she really said. I'm sure he is happy and healthy at 18 months. Hope he's still that way in his 30s and 40s and not incapacitated by gut problems related to ridiculously early introduction of solids. I'm with Spotty - hearing of a baby weaned at 13 weeks, when advice to wait until 6 months has been around for over ten years, is just upsetting.

KLou111 Sun 17-Feb-13 20:33:09

Well, I suppose it was will be solids at 9 months one day, and they'll be something else that feeding them before will cause, and then all those that fed solids at 6 months will panic etc etc.
My brother was fed solids at 6 weeks (now 42) me at 2 months (33) and neither of us have any problems.
Obviously there will always be something linked to something linked to something else. All I went off was my what I thought was best, backed by my hv.
I have a friend who's baby was fed solids at 6 months, she is 1 week younger than my son, and she must be at the doctors at least once a month with all sorts of issues. I suppose sometimes (not all the time as research is there and some people stick to it like glue) you just have to take control for yourself.

Why don't you read some research before you start spouting rubbish. Babies digestive systems ARE NOT READY at such a ridiculously young age fgs

KLou111 Mon 18-Feb-13 09:48:55

Believe me, all I did was sit on the internet reading up on it, speaking to friends etc.

You need to understand that even though SOME kids get problematic, not ALL kids get problems.
The same way SOME babies die from being put in a room on their own, not ALL babies.

You need to respect a mothers decision is her perogative, guidelines are not LAW!!

This woman was asking what we had done and we told her, she didn't ask for a lecture and not did I.

Just becaude you have your own opinion, it does not mean that every child is bound by that.

No, it's fact not opinion. I just don't want someone searching through old threads, seeing this, and thinking it's ok to wean so early just because their baby is having a hungry few weeks.

Flisspaps Mon 18-Feb-13 10:14:34

KLou the plural of anecdote is not data. Just because you and your DB are OK, doesn't mean it's ok to disregard the guidelines.

mummy2lola Wed 20-Feb-13 19:35:07

It's a huge shame that mothers on here feel the need to criticise each others choices and ways of doing things without knowing the full picture- simply jumping to conclusions and making people feel useless, and like they're being bad patents. I've personally been advised by health professionals to wean early due to severe reflux in my dd... This has worked wonders & helped greatly with the constipation caused by her prescription milk. If anybody feels the need to criticise my doings further, feel free- guidelines and everything written in baby books is general, and babies are all different- you can't seriously tell me that your babies are 100% as described in baby books??!! If they are, then you must be perfectly abnormal

I did say further up that it was different if they weren't thriving on milk. Your post said 'all this bollocks about waiting until six months' hmm we're talking about people doing it simply because they're in a rush to push their baby to the next stage or because they're big/hungry/waking at night etc. fwiw I had to wean my daughter early because she wasn't putting ok weight and point blank refused to drink her milk hmm

mummy2lola Wed 20-Feb-13 20:12:40

I see. I didn't know people even did that. My dd sleeps 11 hours, so thankfully things are settled at mo xx

Guidelines are not written in 'baby books' - they're based on population-based research and released by international bodies such as the World Health Orgsnisation and UNICEF, then disseminated via national bodies like the NHS. Hopefully, my baby is 100% like most other babies, physiologically speaking, therefore I'm going to follow the evidence that indicates what is physiologically best for the majority of babies. I don't understand why people ignore this advice in the strange belief that their baby's personality and behaviour is reflective of biological maturity.

Encouraging/supporting another mother to wean early when yours had one of the rare instances where early weaning is occasionally suggested is not healthy hmm

Jayne266 Wed 20-Feb-13 20:40:46

My DS suffered bad constipation and my HV said to introduce 2oz of water a day and I also switched to colic and constipation milk.

If you are giving the solids give the bottle first and then the food (give about 30 mins at least)

mummy2lola Thu 21-Feb-13 05:23:11

I agree, guidelines are there for a reason. I also agree that health visitors and paediatritions & dietitions are well trained for a reason & that their advice is based on years of training, only for people on here to rubbish their advice (which has helped my baby) and make me feel like I'm a terrible person. I already feel horrible enough most of the time, without being reminded. I came on here because I'm lonely & hoped for some reassurance & I'm just being slated. I give up hmmhmm

mummy2lola Thu 21-Feb-13 05:24:49

Thanks Jayne x

ChairmanWow Thu 21-Feb-13 15:57:13

Gawd, at the risk of walking in on yet another MN argument, for better or worse we weaned our son at 4 months. He was showing all the signs and was trying to grab food and put it into his mouth. When I had to yank a piece of orange from him before he stuffed it in I decided to give it a go.

The OP was asking advice on what to give so sticking to that I'd second the others who mentioned Annabel Karmel. From what I remember carrots and pears are best to start with because they're very easy to digest. Her book has a programme in it which will show you when to introduce a new purée and how to alternate. I pretty much followed it to the letter in the first couple of months out of laziness, and I've now got a great little eater of 23 months.

Good luck!

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