Single jabs rather than MMR

(60 Posts)
candr Sun 15-Apr-12 20:04:08

I have been looking into getting DS the single vaccines rather than the MMR jab but am struggling to find somewhere that does it especially as the mumps vaccine is not being made as single jab dose now. Does anyone have any advice on where I can go for this as HV has to advise me to have the MMR and Dr has not been much help.

MunroMagic Sun 15-Apr-12 20:05:54

I couldn't find anywhere that did the single mumps vaccine.

LalaDipsey Sun 15-Apr-12 20:06:40

Hi, the mumps vaccine is not available atm but is not important until puberty so hope it will be available by then. We took our dd to Dr John Oakley in Sutton Coldfield (Midlands) after lots of research. He was about an hours drive but well worth it & I would recommend his practice.

FirstLastEverything Sun 15-Apr-12 20:07:56

"not important until puberty so hope it will be available by then"

Will you give MMR at this point if it does not become available?

HappyCamel Sun 15-Apr-12 20:08:43

Be aware that the measles vaccine covers less strains of measles than the mmr and measles can kill.

LalaDipsey Sun 15-Apr-12 21:23:57

Yes I would give mmr at puberty. I worry about the mmr for their tiny bodies and the extremely small percentage of parents who have reported issues with their dc following the jab. There do not seem to be issues if children have the jab around puberty.

candr Mon 16-Apr-12 21:10:51

Have found that places that do single jab seem to wait till they are 18m as opposed to the MMR at 12m so they are left unprotected for longer which worries me plus the 6 week wait in between each jab. Do I get the single measles and rubella then wait till older to get MMR?, Then I worry about him getting mumps. Am really cross as it seems I am being forced into a decision I would not have chosen and will have to do MMR. I worked with special needs and was horrified at the no of parents who felt the jab was to blame (with more boys being affected) but feel I cannot leave DS unprotected.

ArthurPewty Mon 16-Apr-12 21:30:32

babyjabs.org.uk

LalaDipsey Tue 17-Apr-12 07:09:42

Hi, the place I went to did them at a year and waited 4 weeks. They also did a chicken pox jab which I was so relieved to give to dd as I have scars and bad memories of it.

candr Tue 17-Apr-12 19:47:01

Thanks LeonieDelt, will look that one up. Lala, that is good to know. DS was around a child 2 weeks ago that now has C.pox. poor DS is only just 7m so not sure I want him to get that yet - is there ever a good time (I was a teenager so was rather embarrased)

Duritzfan Tue 17-Apr-12 21:17:27

We are doing the BabyJabs route too.. Very happy with them smile

HappyMummyOfOne Tue 17-Apr-12 22:04:46

We didnt have to wait until 18 months and were very lucky to have got all three as I know the mumps was rare - we did have a longer wait for that one.

This was a few years back, not sure how they do it now. We were very happy though and dont regret paying for them privately.

Missmeld Wed 18-Apr-12 11:22:21

We gave our daughter (now 8) the single jabs as it was around the time of the initial scare. When she had to have the pre-school booster they wouldn't give it to her as a follow up to the single vaccines so she had to have the combined MMR anyway and then the booster. Otherwise she wouldn't have been protected.
We didn't mind as at least she was older but just a warning that you may come across this when they are older.

duchesse Wed 18-Apr-12 11:37:37

I have given my children the MMR at puberty. They were unvaccinated (against those ones at least) through childhood. Going to have to get DD3 done before September though as she's going to school in France for a term and it's a legal requirement.

befuzzled Mon 14-May-12 13:44:25

All 3 of mine have had singles, eldest has had all 6 (initial and boosters) - the other 2 are up to date but will not, as it stands, be able to get Mumps (middle one needs booster, youngest has had none).

There is currently no single Mumps vaccine available anywhere, worldwide, as the patent is held by Merck who are currently not producing it (thanks UK DOH (my friend works there)).

I personally am not worried too much about this at the moment as it is rare and not as risky as say Measles to get as a child - I had it and a lot of case are asymptomatic / risk of complications is not as high as Measles (in my educated opinion). The (unacceptable) risk, for me, comes with getting it at or after puberty (for boys)

I plan to wait until one of the following:
a) Merck are pressurised into restarting production of single Mumps vaccinations
b) They release the patent to someone else to do it
c) My children who haven't had it get to 10/11 at which time I will get an antibody test for Mumps immunity (they may have had it in the meantime) and may consider giving them the MMR at this point if they're not (less risky giving it to an 11y old than a 1y old imo).

We used to use a clinic in Croydon that has gone out of business (or been persuaded to if you believe the rumours). We now use SurreyGO in Guildford who are great, if pricey.

befuzzled Mon 14-May-12 13:44:41

SurreyGP sorry

kellybaby Mon 08-Oct-12 13:19:49

hi there, im going through all this at the min and i am getting so stressed with it all i want the single vaccines but im really worried about leaving the mumps off do you guys think it will ever come back out again in uk ?

thanks

merrymonsters Mon 08-Oct-12 15:11:40

I know a man who has no children because he got mumps as an adult (he is married and they'd like to have had children). Getting mumps was life changing for him. It does matter.

We have just been for a consultation at the baby jabs clinic, we are very pleased and have started DD on a vaccination schedule with them. Apparently there is no sign of the mumps vaccine becoming available but (not wishing to belittle the experience of those who have really suffered long term effects) we were told it is exceptionally rare for men to be left infertile after mumps. I also have read that the immunity you get from actually having rubella lasts longer than the jab. Of course these childhood illnesses can be very serious but in the majority of cases they are not - I understand this is an emotive topic but its probably worth having a talk with a medical professional to really get a clear picture of the risks who will not pressure you into having MMR if its nt what you want for your child.

AdiVic Mon 08-Oct-12 17:20:47

Hello - not read all the threads here as trying to cope with rampaging children - mine are 2.5years and 4m, my brother and neice both had reactions to the MMR in the form of severe wet eczema, both within 3 hrs of jab, and the consultant at the time suggested maybe it could be related, and to consider future jabs. At the mo theree is a case in Italy going through the courts about reactions to the MMR. Sorry if I'm scremongering but from whaat I've read, certain genes MAY react. I once read a book by a Richard Halvorsen about all of this. My brother is now 24 and still suffers from eczema where there is no other family history of any allergy - he was the only one of us out of 4 to have the MMR,

Mums and measles do concern me, and I want the singke jabs. I thought my daughter had mumps the other week and was petrified and felt guilty.

apologies about spwelling, 4mo is verry wriggly

AdiVic Mon 08-Oct-12 17:23:40

p.s many people advise talking to the doc about this, my doc is very reluctant to discuss and still advises kids with eczema to use aqueaous cream, when in fact that is a soap, and 40% of children are allergic to the preservative in it - he thought it was a cream until i pointed out it wasn't. So, i don't really trust what he says.........

Cupcakemummy85 Mon 08-Oct-12 20:42:58

Hi I'm not going to b much help in regards to infoation on the jabs but I just wanted to say absolutely try ur hardest to get them done separately. I'm pregnant with dc2 and I will defintely b doing the same. My dd1 had the MMR plus two other jabs and she was a nightmare for 6 weeks!!!!! To be honest she hasn't been the same since. A lot of other people have experienced the same!! Keep up the search, it will b worth it!

Chundle Wed 10-Oct-12 14:45:17

I'm getting mmr done seperately but you have to remember that wen mmr is done the preschool booster of whooping cough and diptheria (I think) is done at same time

Kellyl26 Wed 10-Oct-12 22:37:37

My DS had single jabs of measles & rubella when he was a baby. He's now 9 & he has had a mmr jab to cover munps. I was less worried at 9 as their bodies are more developed. He is fine so I will do the same with my 2 yr old.

Cupcakemummy, can you elaborate on how your dd is not the same - do you mean there have been changes in her personality or physical health?

Cupcakemummy85 Sat 13-Oct-12 10:15:52

No physically my dd is fine but after the jabs she went from a very content little girl to not so content but that could b the toddler personality kicking in lol. It just seemed as soon as she had her jabs she wasn't right. I will definitely b getting them done separately next time

Thanks, was just interested to know as I have heard a few people say similar things. Hope she is back to her happy self now.

Cupcakemummy85 Sat 13-Oct-12 10:31:37

Most of my friends with children say their children were the same. She sort of back to herself but with a few toddler tantrums thrown in as well lol. It really was a struggle after the jabs and a lot of people I know have said exactly the same. So my advise would b try and get them done separately but if U can't just try and make ur child as happy as possible because five different injections all at once is a lot of a little person sad

LeBFG Sat 13-Oct-12 11:12:38

Just to add to the discussion here, not to really address OP's problem. MMR has not been shown to be linked with autism or a whole list of other immune system dysfunctions such as asthma....and a lot of research has been done into this post-Wakefield.

To the comment 'There do not seem to be issues if children have the jab around puberty.' I would very much like to read some research about this. Babies have very developed immune systems, certainly by the 12m mark. There is no merit to delaying until puberty for this reason imo.

Although mumps is rare at the present time, there is still more merit to vaccinating than not. And also, diseases currently rare may not be so in 5-10 years time, especially if people stop vaccinating. You can't predict the future.

Needless to add, I just think it would be whole lot easier to get the MMR. Less needles and doctor visits too.

radicalsubstitution Sat 13-Oct-12 11:35:54

Both my children have had the MMR vaccine. Neither had any reaction more severe than for any other vaccine.

For those who don't want to 'overload' their childrens' immune systems with so many vaccinations at once, remember that the pneumococcus vaccine covers 17 seperate strains of the bacteria.

Dr Andrew Wakefield's study has been disproved time and time again. There is simply no scientific evidence that MMR causes any reaction that would not be caused by any other vaccine. Private clinics, however, have made quite a mint from the paranoia surrounding this.

Tincletoes Sat 13-Oct-12 11:42:21

Just to say my two eldest DC had the MMR and my youngest will be the second she can (next month thank god). And my eldest 2 were absolutely fine, as were all my friends' children. Amazingly enough though, all the children then got bigger and started developing toddler personalities! They also were allowed to eat honey at about the same age, maybe I should start some half baked theory that honey is to blame for it all!

I would reiterate the post above, study after study has disproved Wakefield's quack research which it was established was PAID FOR by those with interest in single vaccines.

Cupcakemummy85 Sat 13-Oct-12 11:54:43

Well I'm just talking from personal experience and if your children haven't had a reaction then that is wonderful to hear! My daughter wasn't well at all after and yes she may have come into the toddler stage but I think every mother knows when their children aren't right. I say go with ur gut instinct. If u feel like you want ur child to have all jabs then go for it if not have the separate. Ur the mum it's up to you, not us. smile

Pagwatch Sat 13-Oct-12 12:01:43

Tincletoes

That is an impressively aggressive and patronising post for so early in the day.

As my son was extremely unwell after his MMR, his subsequent developmental regression is a matter of medical record. He now has multiple difficulties including gut problems and learning difficulties. Our GP strongly supported our decision not to vaccinate as has my DDs consultant.
So perhaps dismissing everyone who has had a child with a severe reaction to a vaccination is ..well...a bit thick. Unless you know about every contributing families autoimmune history and background of vaccine reaction of course.

Or maybe you could just try to post in a more polite way and give the sanctemonious arrogance a bit of a swerve.

LeBFG Sat 13-Oct-12 12:22:28

Err, I think that was a bit excessive and agressive on your part Pagwatch actually.

THe scientific studies speak for themselves. What I find worrying are the posters like cupcakemummy who say 'go with your gut instinct'. Nobody likes to make their DC cry with jabs so to some extent we would all avoid doing it if we were to follow our gut instincts. But by doing so, one would not be able to vaccinate against mumps and be putting our DCs at risk. A sorry state of affairs.

Pagwatch Sat 13-Oct-12 12:46:11

You may be right. In which case I apologise.

I have no problem with people posting a rebuttal to the 'go with your instincts' type posts.
I just take issue with sneery 'ooh maybe it's honey' stuff.

It's a serious issue. I never would tell people not to vaccinate, most people should. But implying that everyone who has concerns about vaccination born of experience is a fucknugget is uncalled for. I hate cheap shots

Cupcakemummy85 Sat 13-Oct-12 12:49:45

That is ridiculous! I'm not saying dont vaccinate I'm saying its up to her if he does them all at one or space them out. It's not fair to say things like that and I think it's a little bit rude to be honest

Tincletoes Sat 13-Oct-12 12:52:53

And Pagwatch I'm sorry if you think my post was at anyone who doesn't vaccinate. I know there are some people who have v good reason not to ( all the more reason for those of us not in that position to do so).

You clearly have medical basis for your decisions. What really gets me is glib statements like "most children I know have been affected" which is clearly just rubbish. Most children are absolutely fine. I hope people don't go with "gut instinct" and instead do proper research and maybe talk to people with proper knowledge than rely on heresay on the Internet.

Cupcakemummy85 Sat 13-Oct-12 12:53:36

And I think it's important as mums to encourage and support each other not patronise and put other people down. It's a real shame!

Brycie Sat 13-Oct-12 12:54:12

"nobody likes to make our DC cry with jabs"

Oh my goodness that's so patronising! Do you think that's what people are really worried about!!!

Tincletoes Sat 13-Oct-12 12:54:37

And the honey point was just to try to say that maybe there's a reason toddlers start behaving like they do which has nothing to do with outside effect and everything to do with normal development.

Cupcakemummy85 Sat 13-Oct-12 12:56:56

I think tincletoes u r taking I'm saying and twisting it and taking it out of context! I am speaking from my experience and my friends. For u I dismiss everything I say is just rude and really insulting. I thought people on here would have more class than that

radicalsubstitution Sat 13-Oct-12 13:17:34

And I think it's important as mums to encourage and support each other.

I absolutely agree with this statement Cupcakemummy. The best way we can support each other and our children against some of the (luckily rare) horrendous results of childhood illnesses and secondary infections that come about as a result of them is to have our children vaccinated at the earliest possible opportunity.

DD was born with a serious heart condition and spent her first year being very poorly. I couldn't give her the MMR when scheduled (despite snotty letters from the GP), as she was booked for major surgery at 13 months. She was given the jabs straight after her post-operative follow up gave her the all clear.

If she had caught mumps during that time because someone else's mummy wanted to 'go with her gut instinct' I would have been none too impressed. People who don't have their children vaccinated are relying on the herd immunity provided by those that do.

Cupcakemummy85 Sat 13-Oct-12 13:29:23

Oh my god let me see if I can say this a bit more clearly because obviously most of u aren't getting it. I said: go with ur instinct,waning I u feel like ur child should have her jabs spaced out over weeks not all in one then go for it. I did not say don't hav them at all! Wow this is really frustrating lol. Why would I say don't get jabs! There are people into tab who aren't getting the jabs because they don't belive in it and I think that's totally wrong! So, can we all c what I'm saying and get over the gut instinct comment please.
Oh and when I say support other mums I mean it. Don't patronise an be rude on these forums and judge, just be sensitive and understand what each other is going through. There is a ridiculous about of hostility here!
I'm tempted to give up on mums net to be honest. Such a shame

LeBFG Sat 13-Oct-12 13:35:44

I can see you were trying to be helpful and supportive cupcake. I used your quote simply because it highlights a commonly repeated phrase. It's fine if your guts tell you to do CC or pick up baby etc. I've heard it used in medical contexts such as whether to vaccinate and in these contexts, this sort of advice probably isn't appropriate. But that's just my opinion.

LeBFG Sat 13-Oct-12 13:40:19

Just cross posted cupcake. Vaccination topics frequently cause disputes. It isn't you. You did indeed refer only to separate jabs and MMR. I didn't help you either...my point was more general i.e. if you take the gut instinct argument far enough, you could easily find yourself justifying no vaccinations with perhaps no medical reason.

Cupcakemummy85 Sat 13-Oct-12 13:46:29

That isn't what I would want at all. In fact where I am there was an outbreak of mumps because people weren't vaccinating, which makes me really sad and a little worried. It would b irresponsible of me to tell people not to vaccinate and ridiculous seeing as I belive in the jabs. I was just saying personally for my next child I intend to talk to the doctor and try and space them out over perhaps weeks as all if the jabs were a bit much for my little one. I don't really like people dismissing the fact that my child had a reaction when she clearly did and it was truly upsetting as it would b for any parent and I think these forums are all about sharing ur experiences and giving friendly advise rather than butching at each other. I certainly didn't sign up for that. But I totally understand where u r coming from leBFG

radicalsubstitution Sat 13-Oct-12 14:06:59

Cupcake, did not mean to come across as aggressive - my apologies.

I can understand why some people would choose to go for single jabs. The main issue is that there simply isn't one for mumps. If you do go for single jabs then you just won't be protected. Some people take a very 'never mind' attitude towards this, because we have benefitted over recent years from very low incidence of mumps - because most children have MMR.

Vaccinations are horrible to inflict on children. I cried when both my children had their first. I still cry when DD has her annual flu jab - and that's after having had to see her in the ICU with a four inch incision down her chest after heart surgery.

DS was horribly ill after his first MMR, but had no side-effects whatsoever from his booster. He generally had mild temperatures after all his baby vaccinations, but virtually boiled alive after the MMR. DD had no side-effects whatsoever from any of her vaccines.

LeBFG Sat 13-Oct-12 14:43:59

I can understand people wanting to spread out if they believe their child has had a very bad reaction. If you are deciding whether to do the MMR with your first born then the 'immune overload' argument is pretty weak. I've never read anything scientific to support this hypothesis.

Radical - I cried with DS's early vaccinations. And I hardly ever cry!

Pyrrah Mon 18-Mar-13 11:03:38

I vaccinate for everything going (grew up in developing world and saw children die from measles).

DD had the MMR and then later the same day we had the varicella done privately.

I used the First Contact clinic in Oxford Street, London and was very impressed.

Had a long talk with the nurse there about single vaccines v MMR and she told me that they had seen a lot of problems with single vaccines at various clinics.

- vaccines not transported or stored correctly
- vaccines bought by clinics from dubious sources
- clinics taking payment up front for the whole series and then going bust

They had a lot of parents come in to them to complete the course (and pay a second time) and many just opted for the straight MMR.

Any medicine and any vaccine will have a degree of risk - just as many foods that are safe for the majority of people can have life threatening consequences for a very small minority.

Personally I felt that the very small risk was a great deal less than the risk my daughter would face should she contract one of the illnesses. My brother got Hib infection inside the bone-marrow of his leg when he was 5 - had 3 operations and only kept his leg due to an amazing surgeon at GOSH (he tells people he was bitten by a shark). My parents would have been spared 8 months of hell had the Hib vaccine been available when he was a young child.

DIYandEatCake Mon 18-Mar-13 13:27:05

cupcake, just to say you're not alone in your experience. I worried myself sick about dd after hers, for about 6 weeks as well she was withdrawn, would sit with a glazed expression, wouldn't interact with anyone, and would scream inconsolably for half an hour at a time. My mum and my friends also commented on how strange and unlike her usual self she was - she was previously an inquisitive, sociable and energetic little thing. I was so relieved when she slowly got back to being her old self, words can't describe. The gp said it was probably a virus and just coincidence on the timing, maybe it was, but I know that the glazed expression/withdrawal started at be drs straight after the jabs. I'm worrying already about what to do about the boosters and that's a year away yet.

I'm pro vaccine and none of my friends babies experienced anything similar, but I know if i have another dc I'll really agonise over what to do about the mmr.

persephone22 Wed 01-May-13 10:13:41

See http://vaccines.mercola.com/ for interesting info on vaccines. It's important to make informed decisions and the GPs arent always right. Also The Informed Parent website and JABS.

awwwwmannnn Wed 01-May-13 13:43:46

I think to be honest we all want the same thing for our DC, to be vacinnated against horrible diseases, but in a safe and informed manner.

when my DD (now 2.4) had her MMR i researched for months about it, and in the end it was a case (for me) of its better for her to have it, than not!

i live in South Wales where there is currently a massive outbreak of Measles (one man, 25, has died from it) - i have to say i am massively relieved that i made the decision to have her vacinnated.

there are currently centres open that will give your child the booster early due to the outbreak, which confused me to no end - i assumed (rightly or wrongly) that she would be covered from the first MMR - - the first MMR only gives approximately 90% immunity, whilst the booster takes them up to 99%!!! i've decided not to take her to have the booster just yet as we are not in the immediate outbreak area, and have no plans to do so.

i can honestly say i am glad she had the MMR and suffered no reactions to it at all.

i think its just one of those things (like politics) where everyone has their opinion on it, and no one is right or wrong - we shouldn't put people down or twist others words because it may go against what we said or think....as the saying goes "opinions are like arseholes, everyone has them" lol

not meant to offend, just my opinion grin xx

Oly4 Tue 14-May-13 15:46:26

I am a health writer who sat through the GMC trial of Andrew Wakefield. He was completely discredited. I will be getting MMR for my DC, no hesitation. The resurgence of childhood diseases is frightening.

Willowisp Fri 17-May-13 22:54:51

what was Andrew Wakefield actually discredited for ? Everyone seems to bandy this one about, but as I understand it, he was discredited for his taking samples in a non-clinical environment ?

IMO where he took the samples is irrelevant, the fact that he found traces of the MMR in the bowel, IS important.

So links please for either scenario.

I'd also like some info & links about the fact that babies immune systems are fully developed by 12m.

It might be worth noting that we aren't a developing country, kids don't tend to be malnourished & are generally capable of coping with illness.

Willowisp Fri 17-May-13 22:58:11

awwwwmannnn no-one has died from measles in Wales, the man that died did have it, but as far as I'm aware, he didn't die from it.

"The resurgence of childhood diseases is frightening" Personally I think the amount of junk convenience food that kids eat is more frightening.

BrainGoneAwol Sat 18-May-13 10:14:44

Willow - try googling the article that was in the Times.

In summary, the claim is that he altered data concerning the study of 12 children concerning their conditions both before and after MMR (eg some already had reported developmental issues), he recruited participants from anti-vaccine groups, and he had a vested interest as he had already set up ventures that planned to make £m from testing this new syndrome he was 'discovering'.

Both sides argue about whether the result has ever been replicated.

BrainGoneAwol Sat 18-May-13 10:21:01

Oh and the BMJ experts who looked at thee raw data say it didn't show anything other than normal condition of the bowels.

PJM18 Sat 18-May-13 21:53:10

Hi. I'm trying to decide whether to give my children the single measles jab or not. Does anyone know, out of the 1000 or so children in the Swansea outbreak, how many had serious complications? Where would I find this information? The welsh public health website has numbers diagnosed etc but nothing about how many children developed complications.

awwwwmannnn Sun 19-May-13 19:32:31

well its been reported by the media that the man who died had measles and died from complications because of it - maybe they got it wrong and you got it right??

his post-mortem was inconclusive, but further tests have revealed his death was as a result of measles.

balia Sun 19-May-13 19:58:05

Can I just point out that mumps is not a friendly little disease unless you happen to be a pubescent boy? It can cause irreversible sensorineural deafness, aseptic meningitis and encephalitis. Before the MMR, mumps was the commonest cause of viral meningitis and one of the leading causes of hearing loss in younger children.

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