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Pretty sure my toddler hates me

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MrsP777x · 27/09/2015 08:14

Name change... Want to remain as annonymous as possible. I'm new to the forum and could really do with a rant/advice or just to feel I'm not alone.

Just some background information; I'm 25 and have a 2 1/2 year old boy, me and his father live together and I'm 31w with our second baby. I have a history of anxiety and depression but also I have a very short fuse too, especially when I'm not on my tablets. Before I fell pregnant with my first born, I had a busy job in an office which I loved, I had to give it up because childcare costs would have sucked up all my wages and we would financially be worse off.

Anyway, lately, I have felt so lonely being heavily pregnant with crippling SPD and sciatica, partner works 5 days a week and is gone 12 hours for those days he does work which I know compared to some people isn't all that much. I tend to not have so many friends as I find a lot of people are full of bullshit and I can't be arsed with the falseness of it all (maybe I'm just befriending the wrong people). My husband is the imaginative one when it comes to playing with our son, I have no sense of imagination at all. I can sit with him for however long he will tolerate and teach him new things, but when it comes to playing, I hate it (yes I feel awful for that).

Recently I haven't been able to get through a day without crying because of my sons behaviour, he doesn't nap during the day, even if he is poorly, so I get no form of respite from him at all during the day. I can't chase around after him at a park because Of the SPD and sciatica. No one can seem to be bothered to help me as my son is too much hard work. He is constantly active, constantly on the go and seems to have trouble listening to any form of instruction and an even harder time listening to the word no. I have to repeat myself about 5 times and then get really angry because he's done it anyway. He screams at the top of his lungs wherever we are if he doesn't get his own way or we have to do something he doesn't like. He tips his drink over his food and no matter how many times we tell him no he will do it anyway, so we take the drink away and all hell breaks lose. He's extremely fussy when it comes to eating so if it's not a curry or chilli con carne he won't eat it.
He slams doors, throws things, smacks things. Getting ready to go out is a complete pain in the arse if I'm on my own with him, he doesn't let me get him dressed without it being a fight or him running off into another room. Then he'll trash the place whilst im trying to get myself ready. Basically any aspect of us doing anything there is always a problem. But he's 9/10 good for his dad. I have become one of the shouty mums (only at home, not public) and I hate it. I hate the mum I've become but I don't know how it'll change once the new baby is here. I know I can go back on my meds and try to sort it out from there but that's 9w away.

Wtf am I doing having another child? I couldn't bare the thought of something happening to me and my partner and leaving my son an only child. I just find every day a constant struggle now. I feel like people don't want to see me and my son because of his behaviour and how I end up getting stressed and upset. People always say to me he's a lot of hard work and I don't know how you do it but the truth is, I am not coping at all. I do the bare minimum in a day now because I'm so stressed out. I am in this black hole but with the depression and anxiety it makes it hard to even begin to sort myself out.

Please tell me I'm not alone? I'm sorry for the long message and I hope you haven't fallen asleep reading it but I'm at my wits end.

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icklekid · 27/09/2015 08:26

Have you been to the Dr as you clearly recognise that you aren't coping and even if you can't take the same medicine as before there may be alternatives or options such as councilling to support you?

As for your sons behaviour have you spoken to your health visitor? I'm sure they can help with behaviour management strategies to make your life easier. I would suggest small steps and breaking the day down into sections of time you feel able to cope with. Focus on any positive he does and he will want to please you its just you've got into a negative cycle at the moment. Think about what he likes doing that could be a reward for getting dressed without a fuss etc. Even if its one episode of a tv show. Would you consider a preschool or nursery for his free hours when he turns 3 as might help when you have a baby to look after?

I would try and go to toddler groups so that you are out of the house your son can play and you can make some friends - I think you need a strong support network to help you. You would have to have a set of consequences at playground eg. If you hit someone you will have to say sorry and come outside for a min.

It is so tough being a full time mum your doing a good job just to get through each day so try not to put yourself down Brew

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Finallyonboard · 27/09/2015 08:29

He doesn't hate you - he's two. It sounds like he needs more stimulation - you might be able to get a nursery place for him at two if you're struggling to cope. Speak to your HV.

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MrsP777x · 27/09/2015 08:42

He had his 27m appointment and the HV there even said he's a handful, we had to take him for a hearing test just to be sure it was him just not listening and not any medical problems.
Because of the time he was born he won't be eligible for any free nursery care until September next year. Me and dh are currently trying to work out our finances to see if we can afford to send him to nursery even if it's just for 2x 3hour sessions a week.

I can recognise I need the help but I've always got somewhere in the back of my mind that its my fault and they'll try take him away from me. Don't get me wrong he is always clean, fed, has a clean and warm roof over his head, plenty of toys but I'm racked with guilt all the time as I don't feel that my son gets what he needs and deserves from me. He much prefers his dad to me and tbh if it wasn't for dh, I think I'd have had a mental breakdown by now. I'm very good at hiding it from other people but even when they know I'm struggling I don't receive any help because my sons very hard work.
Yesterday was an all time low for me, I couldn't do anything at all yesterday and I just looked at my son and thought you deserve better than me, I seriously felt like I could just curl up and die. I worry my dh constantly whilst he's at work which isn't fair. I've never felt so bloody lonely.
I like to think Im quite an intelligent person, the job I had was very hands on, thorough and you had to be switched on all the time, now I just think the boredom has got to me. Staring at the same 4 walls every day waiting for my dh to get
Home or have his day off is just pure torture.

Thank you for your replies, I think ill book a doctors appointment for next week to see what can be done.

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anothernumberone · 27/09/2015 08:43

Have you room for a trampoline or some other attractive equivalent that expends huge quantities of energy. DS had additional needs and is extremely active. I would be lost without my 2hours of jumping time.

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Finallyonboard · 27/09/2015 08:44

You should be able to get a funded nursery place - do ring your HV and ask

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MrsP777x · 27/09/2015 09:08

The HV did ask the nursery but they said no because my husband earns too much. Which to me doesn't feel possible after all the bills have been paid.

We have a garden full of things for him to do but he chooses to do the naughty things that then lead to me telling him 4-5 times not to do it, then he has to come inside as punishment and things just go from bad to worse. Some people have asked me if he's autistic but I think sometimes the label gets thrown around a lot.

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MrsKCastle · 27/09/2015 10:03

Oh, MrsP. Your OP made me feel so sad for you and your DS. It sounds like you've got into a really negative cycle and it seems impossible to break out of it. I'm certain you CAN change things though. I've been in a similar position with PND so I know just how bleak it all feels right now.

I have to go out now and will post again later, but I just wanted to reply now and say that you're not alone.

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MrsP777x · 27/09/2015 10:41

Thank you MrsK, I appreciate the thought I really do. X

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Strawberrybubblegum · 27/09/2015 15:45

You poor thing Flowers. It sounds like you're having a really tough time, and not getting anything like the help you need - not just for yourself, but for the well-being of your family.

It sounds like you need a 2-pronged approach:

  1. You absolutely need to get some help. Unfortunately, things will probably get even harder when your new baby arrives, so you need to get it in place now. When you see your doctor, make sure you are very clear about how much you're struggling. I suspect you downplay it a bit, whereas health professionals are used to people exaggerating. Tell them you're unable to get out of the house, and you cry every day. Tell them you aren't coping. Before you leave your GP, you need to know what your GP is going to do to help you - and it needs to be concrete help which is going to happen now: not parenting advice, or 'see how it goes over the next few weeks and come back if it doesn't get better'.


  1. You need to reconnect with your DS. You say your DS does what your DH says 9/10 which is really great - it means he CAN behave nicely, and it's just that you've got into a bad cycle where you play off each other. Your DS doesn't hate you - he's 2.5 and you are everything to him. The problem is that he wants you so badly that if he can't get your positive attention and respect (which is what he wants most in the world) then he'll provoke you to shout at him - partly because he's lost face, and partly because being shouted at by you is better than nothing.


Can you try these things:
a) Add a load of playful moments into your day. I know you've said you find playing hard, but this will get easier with practice, and it only needs to be a few minutes at a time, although ideally often (maybe twice an hour). Things like tickling him (so long as he enjoys it!), beeping his nose with different honking noises, putting something on your head to make a silly hat and commenting on it, pretending not to be able to find him while he hides, pretending that you want to eat his foot (yummy, this foot looks delicious, can I eat it? Just a little nibble? Oh pleeease!). Basically, you want to make him laugh, and connect with him. This will make him feel you're on his side, and make him want to cooperate with you. (If you think about it, evolutionarily it makes sense for toddlers only to cooperate with adults if they believe the adult has their best interests at heart)

b) Try to find ways for him to do whatever it is he wants (eg leave extra time to look at things on a walk, or replace a breakable glass with a plastic one when he wants to help wash up). Then when you really need him to give up what he wants, you've got a stock of good will.

c) Even so, when he needs to do as you say, it helps to start by genuinely acknowledging his feelings and make him feel you're on his side before asking him to cooperate. Eg (kneeling down to his level, and looking sypathetic) 'You're having so much fun running around, you really don't want to get dressed. You love your pyjamas! And you are super-fast running in them, just like a superhero!' Then once he starts looking at you 'But we're going out to the shop now! And we have to get dressed in outdoor clothes. We wear different clothes during the day. Which trousers do you want, these ones or these ones?'. It probably won't work straight away, but it will almost certainly make things a bit calmer, and start things going in another direction.

d) When he does what you ask, remember to praise him sincerely, and give him a hug or a loving touch.

Wishing you really well.
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Twowrongsdontmakearight · 27/09/2015 16:05

Hugs to you. Toddlers can be very hard work. They can be totally unreasonable and tire you out. I think it's the way they all are! He certainly won't hate you!

As other posters have said can you find any toddler groups? Lots of churches have them and you don't need to go to church yourself.

The leaders will organise some games for them and give you some ideas for yourself. You can also find other mums to spend time with woo know what you're going through. As DC get a bit older they start to entertain each other a bit more.

I also found a book called 'I'm Bored' by Suzy Barratt. It's on Amazon at the moment. There are lots of ideas for things to do now and when older. None of it is rocket science, more 'oh yes why didn't I think of that?' type ideas.

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MrsP777x · 27/09/2015 16:29

Thank you so much for that response. It's really reassuring that people can sympathise and offer advice. I find it easier to write things down and explain that way because I choke when it comes to explaining things to others and generally it gets fobbed off as its just a toddler stage they all go through it. But to me this behaviour seems too constant to be just a phase.

Today we took him to my mums to pick up her dog and go for a walk round the park, he kicked off from start to finish... Over nothing. He screamed, tried to bite his dad, kicked out, he made a right show of us and I felt so embarrassed it was unreal. I cried when we got back in the car and my partners just as much at his wits end now coz he can see what goes on without him here.
He's consuantly on the go from 7am to 7pm, he doesn't nap during the day anymore and can't sit still for any longer than 5 mins.
Today has been an eye opener for my dh as he's seen what happens and goes on, for once my son actually hasn't listened to him at all today. I've booked a doctors appointment for Wednesday so we'll see what happens there.


Thank you for the responses I've had, I really appreciate the thought and time to give me your suggestions xx

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icklekid · 27/09/2015 17:52

Been thinking of you op so thought would check to see how you were doing. I'm glad your dh can relate now- my ds is like that for me and not good with my dh. If it helps it's so hard to see and not be able to do anything about it! Tomorrow is another day

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MrsP777x · 27/09/2015 18:20

Bless you, I really appreciate your thoughts. I think today I just hit rock bottom. And obviously the only way from the bottom is up. I threw a cup off coffee across the kitchen this morning which is completely unlike me to smash things up.
I've made a doctors appointment just so I can get all of this off my chest to them and see what they say.

Tbh writing this thread has made me feel a whole lot better and it's given me a boost I need to get on with things, having anxiety and depression at the same time is horrendous. I feel anxious that I need to change things but the depression makes it so hard to find the energy and strength.

Again I can't thank you enough. Xx

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SimLondon · 27/09/2015 21:26

Isn't there something called homestart or something which could help?

also can you get to any baby groups? the church ones are usually free or a ÂŁ1 cost, the library ones are free. NCT coffee mornings - you don't have to be a member just turn up and buy a cup of coffee and have a chat.

Pre-schools tend to be cheaper than nursery's particularly if they are non-profit making.

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MrsP777x · 27/09/2015 22:26

I've got the numbers for preschools near me, I'm going to give them a ring tomorrow and see where we can go from there. Also going to message a lady about whether there is any funding available in the village or any help with funding. I'm hoping some of the preschools will take him in the April term coz some are saying no due to his DOB and how the term dates fall.

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BrightonMum36 · 28/09/2015 08:42

There is absolutely a direct cause between you not giving him attention/playing with him and him playing up. The more you give him positive attention and praise, the better behaved he will be.
If you want this to stop, start playing with him.
I'm not saying it's easy but that is the only solution to this and the sooner you start the better things will be.
Lots of luck and hugs xxxx

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MrsP777x · 28/09/2015 11:07

I do play with him, and he is showered with positive praise when it is deserved. I struggle with the play because as Ive said I'm not very imaginative when it comes to playing with toys whereas my dh seems to have it come naturally.

I took positive steps this morning and we've got up, got dressed and came out to town, he's been good so far and Ive brought him a treat and said what a good boy he has been. Even though I'm really struggling with sciatica and SPD ive made the change and touch wood it's gone a lot smoother this morning.

Xxx

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Strawberrybubblegum · 28/09/2015 19:45

That's fantastic, MrsP! I'm so glad that you're feeling able to act and improve things! Wishing you strength, health and happiness. Star

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MrsP777x · 28/09/2015 21:31

Taking it one day at a time. My ds really appreciated the one on one time with mummy and was such a good boy all day, me and dp decided as a treat to let him stay up an extra half hour to watch tv with us. He loved it.


Thank you. All of you for your advice and suggestions. I sincerely appreciate it. Xxx

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silverstreak · 30/09/2015 07:38

Sounds like you've got it nailed Op but I just came on too say I could've written your op almost word for word and I've realised that a lot of DDs moodiness is a reaction to My mood - kids are like emotional barometers, and she was/is quite often more aware of my state of mind than me! Now when I'm feeling down or anxious I make an effort to do something particularly positive or distracting with her and like you've found it really works (most of the time - she's still 2, after all, and I'm still quite a stressy moo by nature!)! Good luck... Grin

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PaddyPai · 01/10/2015 00:16

Glad things seem a bit better, but it's tough to keep at it and it can get pretty relentless. I'm not sure how much this will help, but I've been using "The Wiggle and Giggle Busy Book" and "The Toddler busy book", by Trish Kuffner.
They have 365 activities each and even if you can't do them all, it's nice to have ideas for things to do at hand. The majority are pretty simple. I can totally sympathize with your situation. We've just moved across the world with a 2 year old. Definitely in the teenage of his babyhood. We watched "Supernanny" episodes on YouTube and it really helped with our approach and in turn, his. I wanted to ask, do you get any time at all to yourself in the morning? My partner makes breakfast and makes me a cup of tea and that time really helps me to wake up and feel centred to remind myself how to deal with and enjoy the day ahead. On days he can't do it, I always find myself much more stressed. It's worth it to sleep and wake up earlier. If that's not an option, try and find ways to give yourself a break during the day. For example: Ours really likes construction vehicles, so I try and find a place where he can watch them, at the park, maybe, where they're digging and dumping mud or something. He'll happily watch (from a good distance) for half an hour and I can read. Sometimes even at the side of a road. Regarding the short fuse you mentioned, I actually write on my hand, "Don't get angry, he's two", so I can look at it and remember. Pathetic, but just being constantly reminded of that helps. Because the guilt feels worse than the release of anger. Hope things get even better. It's great that you asked for help. I didn't and I wish I had earlier.
Good luck x x

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MrsP777x · 01/10/2015 20:49

Thanks for your posts. Sadly we have had a relapse the last 2 days. DS has really pushed the boundaries and it's taken a massive toll on me and my DP.
DS has been relentless in his pursuit to gain the wrong attention. I have been praising his good behaviour and have even asked him for help when it comes to jobs around the house.
I took him to the doctors to ask what can be done and they said nothing can be done until he is at primary school.
I have enrolled him in preschool which will start next month and tbh I cannot wait, which is sounding so terrible of me, but I dread each day as it's just another constant battle. Asking him not to do something doesn't work, counting to 3 doesnt. He pushes to the point where you have to get upset and wound up.
He doesn't do himself any favours because he doesn't nap anymore during the day and if I try to get him
To nap it can take hours before he will give in and nod off. So he gets really tired and that is a factor in his moods.
My partner works 5 days a week and is gone 12 hours a day. I have never envied someone so much for being able to go to work.
I've started taking him to a country park near my mums which is a 20 mins drive away but as I have sciatica and SPD it cripples me to do a lap round there and then I pay for it later on during the day. Such a catch 22 situation.
Hopefully a few sessions a week at play school will help him. I can't believe he misses out on funding for next year by just 13 days :(

Thanks again xxx

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