Help please

(89 Posts)
nannycook Sat 15-Jun-13 19:05:07

I know there a few people on here who can give me some advice, im making a 6inch top tier cake in chocolate with ganache in the middle, can i use it fir the crumb coat?( would it show through the white fondant) or do i just put it in the middle and keep to buttercream for the crumb coat? I need an answer by wed if poss from anyone.

ParsleyTheLioness Sat 15-Jun-13 19:21:03

No idea, but I'll bump for you grin

Ive asked my friend who makes wedding cakes. She says she would always use buttercream but make it with some warm milk to make it lighter. I have never heard of this so will be having a go myself. HTH

nannycook Sat 15-Jun-13 21:14:28

So she thinks keep using normal buttercream for the crumb coat and leave the ganacge for the middle?

Sorry only just seen your reply! Yes use ganache in the middle but buttercream as a crumb coat. On the TV they seem to pipe a circle of buttercream around the edge of the cake to make a kind of dam and then fill with ganache. Hope that make sense.

nannycook Sun 16-Jun-13 16:05:33

Yes its makes alot of sense, god knows why i didnt think of that, thanks so much 2ofsteds. Am slightly stressing as weddings sat.

Im sure you will do a great job! I don't have the skills for wedding cakes yet. In fact at the moment all my baking is rubbish and keeps sinking in the middle! I am usually quite a good baker and the only things I've changed are using room temp eggs inatead of fridge cold and have stopped beating the life out of the mix after adding the flour. This was supposed to make my cakes better not worse! confused

nannycook Sun 16-Jun-13 19:40:19

Thank you 2ofsted, its my 2nd ever wedding cake so bound to have a few nerves, and i'm attending the wedding too. Mmm i have that problem alot myself especially my bigger cakes, the last i made were madeira mix with a mix of plain and s/r flour and they were fine, but if i try say a 9 or a 10 with a victoria mix then i have problems, very very annoying.

nannycook Sun 16-Jun-13 19:44:49

I'll put a pic on to go with my other pics on my profile when i've finished for you to have see.

MikeLitoris Tue 18-Jun-13 21:59:58

How did the cake turn out nanny?

nannycook Wed 19-Jun-13 07:44:45

Hiya Mike, where you been? Could do with your help, have you had any experience with tiered wedding cakes, i've made and iced the bottom tier (covered the board also) its 12ibch fruit so very heavy!! 2nd is 9inch with jam and cream, and 3 is 6inch lemon, hydrangeas coming slightly off center down from top to bottom, i am however worried about cream bulging, sliding off falling off even, but biggest worry us transporting the bloody thing, i have this week off and yesterday hubby and i went to have a look where thus venue was, its a stunning castle in Glouster, Forest of Dean, with very uneven drive up, so so pressues for the cake to look good,its about an hrs drive from where i live.
And to top it off i fear its raining on sat, any tips, help? Have you done this before Mike?

MikeLitoris Wed 19-Jun-13 07:54:08

Is it clearwell castle? Its a stunning venue.

I have made a few tiered cakes and havent had any issues with bulging so far. Maybe do a marzipan layer before the icing?

For an hours drive I would be tempted to take the tiers separately and assemble there. You said your a guest so this may not be practical though.

If not I would just make sure each layer is properly dowelled, on a cake card and stuck on top of the lower tier with royal icing maybe?

Its a toughie! Im glad my only wedding has been a single cake with cupcakes!

Ive just done a small 3 teir hello kitty cake amd that weighed an absolute ton!

Good luck with it!

nannycook Wed 19-Jun-13 08:35:54

Yes Mike thats it, Clearwell Castle, it would take to long to assemble the flowers and then ribbon around each tier, the fruit cake is really really heavy just on its own,yep gonna put 4 dowells, then royal icing to secure the 2nd tier, then dowell that one and so on and so on, and yes theres thin card cards under each tier, the only relief i have is we are staying the night in the pub down the road so after my mega stress at least i get to wind down with a gin or two, 3,4,5 maybe, god know i think i'll need it, ha ha.
I'll pist a pic if i'm happy with it Mike.x

nannycook Wed 19-Jun-13 08:37:32

If you look at my spelling you'd think i've had a few already!!

MikeLitoris Wed 19-Jun-13 08:42:24

Can you put the cake in the front of the car with you.?

I'd have it in the passenger footwell with me and let dh drive.

I'm sure it will be perfect.

nannycook Wed 19-Jun-13 08:50:07

Nope not really cake board size is 15inch and the box is huge, looked at it yesterday and its not poss, has to go in the boot which i hate the thought of, i'll be stopping every 10mins or so to check it, think that hrs drive will turn into 3hrs, good job i can laugh about it, not!!

MikeLitoris Wed 19-Jun-13 10:49:31

How about the back seat? In my car I can fold down part of the back seat so its completely flat. Could you try that and you sit in the back with it?

I dont know if I could cope with it in the boot!

nannycook Wed 19-Jun-13 11:31:54

Hubby is taking alook now, the thought of it out of sight stressing me more than anything.

All crumb coated and sitting in the fridge, haa.x

MikeLitoris Wed 19-Jun-13 11:48:00

Im sure you will be fine with it. Just hope the weather stays nice for the wedding.

nannycook Wed 19-Jun-13 11:54:15

Nope think its raining sat! How many coats of buttrcream do you put on before you pyt your fondant on Mike? And do you put the fondant on quite thick?x

MikeLitoris Wed 19-Jun-13 13:25:22

I do a thin crumb coat, into the fridge until ready for icing. Take it out, give it a smooth over with a warm palate knife then usually put the fondant on. I have on occasion put another layer on but really didnt see a huge difference.

And again the thickness would depend on wether or notI was using marzipan as well. Slightly thicker gives a much better finish imo.

sad about the rain though. Shame its not like it is today. Saying that this heat is not good for sugar paste flowers!

nannycook Wed 19-Jun-13 13:30:05

Thanks for your help Mike.See how it goes then.x

Hi nannycook. How is the cake coming along? Hope everything goes to plan and you have a lovely day.

nannycook Fri 21-Jun-13 18:53:14

Hi 2ofsted, finished about 4 today and just put it in my profile pics, let me know what you think, i never take it for granted its good.

MikeLitoris Fri 21-Jun-13 18:55:04

Its lovely Nanny. Really lovely. You should be very please with it.

nannycook Fri 21-Jun-13 19:07:56

Awww thank you Mike, the damed thing got me so stressed must admit, and i have another 5 cakes to make in the next month, which should be a breeze after this one, ha ha. Dont say its good if you dont think it i,iuts been a learning curve if i'm honest and next time i would do things soooo differently. Now all i have to do is get it there, aaaarrrrrgh.x

MikeLitoris Fri 21-Jun-13 19:12:48

Honestly. It is very good. I wouldnt lie. Has the bride seen it?

I've got loads of cakes the next few weeks too. I'm trying to limit myself to one a week. It's so hard to keep up with work, the dc and cakes sometimes.

nannycook Fri 21-Jun-13 19:32:08

Nooooo, she didnt want to, i did a suprise for her too, because she loves my lemon cake i made her a 6 inch just for her and put her name on it and some flowers in the same colour as the big cake, then she can take it home with her and domolish it all by her self. Working fulltime i try and do one aweek, and look after a 4 yr old on the odd day till he goes to school in Sept.

Dont suppose you've made a VW camper van have you? Thats my next cake for a week today.

Wow that cake is fab! I am really impressed and wish I was as good as you. Have a lovely day tomorrow.

MikeLitoris Fri 21-Jun-13 20:47:30

No. Nothing as ambitious as a camper van.

Have you looked on youtube for tutorials?

I bet she loves the lemon cake. I'm doing a lemon wedding cake next month. Just an 8in round and cupcakes.

nannycook Fri 21-Jun-13 21:00:21

2ofsted, thats nice of you to say so. Have a go, you dont know what you can or cant do till you try. As long as i get it there in one piece i'll be a happy bunny!!

nannycook Fri 21-Jun-13 21:03:21

Mike, its my favourite too, i cut into 3 layers, put lemon curd in the bottom layer, then fresh lemon in the buttrcream then drizzle lemon curd on top of that , yummy. What will you do you cupcakes like?

MikeLitoris Fri 21-Jun-13 21:38:15

I think she is having all lemon. Will fill with home made lemon curd and top with butter cream.

She is having a cadbury purple and white colour scheme, so I'm a little worried about the buttercream not being white enough. She wants similar to the last wedding I did (pics on my profile) so a mix of swirls and fondant decs.

nannycook Fri 21-Jun-13 22:14:08

That sounds fab. Do you buy the wilton whitner? I use that all the time and beat my buttrecream for about 10mins Mike.

nannycook Fri 21-Jun-13 22:17:40

Lovely pics Mike. What are the cream thingys on the first two pics?

MikeLitoris Fri 21-Jun-13 22:42:16

They are just fondant. They were a practice for the wedding cupcakes.

I have the wilton whitner. Not used yet though.

I find if I use lurpak butter and leave the mixer on for 10-15 mins its pretty much white anyway.

nannycook Sun 23-Jun-13 11:50:08

Hi Mike, just an update, the bride said the cake was amazing, so pleased, so many many lovely comments, its all gone so that cant be a bad thing i guess.x

nannycook Sun 23-Jun-13 14:29:18

If you go on FB and put Barbara Herbert in theres a few nicer pics on there Mike.

MikeLitoris Sun 23-Jun-13 17:32:24

Thats lovely.

How was the wedding? The weather wasn't brilliant was it?

On to the camper van next then?

nannycook Sun 23-Jun-13 17:42:41

No not really, it didnt rain thp but very windy and so cold, i had a wrap so it wasnt too bad. She looked lovely, i had a special thank you fo making her cake and an official photo with the cake, bride and groom, thatmade me feel so special, and a prezzie, 18mths subscription to Good Food mag, bless them , oh yes and a hangover, not nice but worth it, ha ha. I feel i can make anything now, lol, yep campervan next week.!!

MikeLitoris Sun 23-Jun-13 18:05:45

I got a name check in the speeches too at. I was very blush. Plus some lovely champers and chocs.

Keep me updated on the campervan.

I have a request for a skydiving cake. No idea what to do with that?

nannycook Sun 23-Jun-13 19:40:39

Oh flip, where would you start with that one? Have no idea, the campervan's enough of a challenge for me at the moment and thats for this Fri, arrrghhh.

nannycook How did the campervan turn out?

nannycook Tue 02-Jul-13 06:41:43

2ofsted, when i finally got my act togther after the wedding cake i rung the lady to find out how many were attending the party, when i found out it was for 90 people i thought no way would a cake campervan be anywhere near enought, so i made a 12 inch jam and cream sponge then made a campervan out of icing and put it in the top of the cake on a piece of grass with a road, thanfully she loved it! On to my next one for the end of the week, a first b'day cake,lol.
How you doing? anything going on with you?
Will post some pics now, also made owl cupcakes, very easy to make.

MikeLitoris Tue 02-Jul-13 15:48:10

I love the camper! Did you get it from a tutorial or anything?

Very good indeed.

nannycook Tue 02-Jul-13 21:36:58

Hiya Mike, no not really, just googled campervan images and up they came, just fancied one and went from there. Do that for your skydiving cake, i'll be interested to see what comes up for that, do you have any ideas yet?

Love the cake!
I went back to using cold butter and eggs as well as beating the life out of the mix after adding the flour and am back to making great cakes. confused

Have not baked for a week due to end of term madness but need to plan DDs cakes. I need to do 3 but not sure what yet although she has asked for another giant cupcake. Not looking forward to that as it was a pain to cook due to the size of the mould.

nannycook Wed 03-Jul-13 06:47:51

mmm, i haven't cooked the dreaded giant cupcake yet, i do worry about cooking a cake so deep, but saying that lots of peeps do so cant be too much of an issue, just find the right one for you and stick to it i guess, let me know how you get on and pics please.

I have a first b'day cake for this weekend, a single tier the week after and 60 anniversary week after that, so busy busy.x

MikeLitoris Wed 03-Jul-13 06:57:35

Still havent planned the skydiving one yet. I'll start looking for inspiration this week.

2ofsted. I make quite a lot of giant cups and have a really nice choc recipe if you would like it?. Always cooks to perfection.

Im having a cake break for a few weeks. Then I have some princess cupcakes, a wedding cake on the 17th and a betty boop single tier at the end of the month. I've also got a big candy crush cake to do in sept. That will be my first topsy turvy one. Really looking forward to it all.

mike your chocolate cake recipe would be great. I tried a madeira last year and it was really dense and tasteless. I have a silicon mould that's in 2 pieces if it makes a difference.

MikeLitoris Wed 03-Jul-13 20:02:45

this is the one I use. I follow it exactly and it is always good.

Hi Mike Thanks for the cake recipe link I had a trial run today and it seems to have been successful. We haven't cut into it yet but the trimmings tasted yummy! Pic is on profile. Please ignore the dodgy piping of the italian meringue as I had literally seconds to do it and I'm not very good with a piping bag at the best of times.

nannycook Sat 06-Jul-13 21:07:51

2ofsted, is that Mike's recipe for choocy cake? wouldnt mind that myself. i put a pic of my latest cale on my profile, a 1 yr old birthday.

nannycook Yes it's mikes choc cake recipe. It tastes lovely although I do think I overcooked it slightly blush Will definately use it again.

DisneyDiva87 Tue 09-Jul-13 16:01:56

Your cakes are amazing nannycook and 2ofsted! I love baking but I always struggle with decorating my cupcakes, the butter cream always starts melting as I'm piping it!

Wish I had more time to spend on making and decorating cakes for special occassions.

MikeLitoris Tue 09-Jul-13 18:46:13

What butter are you using Disney?

It shouldnt melt if you get the recipe right.

I have to admit I dont measure any more. I just use a pack of butter, loads of icing sugar and a drop of vanilla.

Turn the mixer up high and go wash dishes for 10 mins.

nannycook Tue 09-Jul-13 22:14:05

Disney,thank you very much. the thing is i dont have alot of time to spend on them, i work fulltime in a busy opticians, i look after my 4yr old grandson on my day off so everything i make is in the night after dinner, ideally i'd love to work partime as i'm struggling to be honest, i just this min finished icing a single tier wedding cake for sat, then i have an anniversary cake to make for sun, oh and did i mention? i'm old? ha ha.

I agree with Mike i do my buttercream exactly the same way, i use willow butter and about just over half a box of icing sugar (the large box) a dash of vanilla and beat the hell out of it for about 10mins, its like double cream fab, have a go yourself.

DisneyDiva87 Wed 10-Jul-13 09:45:36

I use the cheap butter (tesco own brand), maybe that is where I am going wrong? My butter cream never works out quite right even if I follow the recipe.

I guess I just need to give myself a kick up the butt and try icing a cake, it's my in-laws 40th Wedding anniversary this year so maybe I'll do one for them and then if it turns out a disaster I'll show them at home and then we can cut it up and serve it already sliced!

nannycook Wed 10-Jul-13 19:02:01

Exactly, thats how you learn, god knows i make enough mistakes, and this weather dont help with the icing, thats what i did today, and do you think it would go ok? did it hell, grrrr.

nannycook Wed 10-Jul-13 19:02:28

P.s you need good butter always.

MikeLitoris Wed 10-Jul-13 21:25:47

I try to use lurpak slightly salted. Sounds strange but I think it gives a lovely flavour.

Ive had a week off from cake stuff and its been lovely!

I've got a nice simple wedding cake on Wednesday but im dreading doing it in this heat.

nannycook Wed 10-Jul-13 21:33:26

Oh right, i might try that then.
Yep, your hands are hot, your kitchens hot, not a good mix is it Mike?i just mine a single tier wedding cake, she wanted cream roses in the middle with leaves, and gold ribbon, abit old fashioned but its what she wanted, she's a mature lady, i put a pick on to show you, tell me what you think and dont be shy, i dont mind.

MikeLitoris Thu 11-Jul-13 08:37:46

Its not at all old fashioned! Its lovely. The roses are very good.

I'm doing a cupcake tower for a wedding next week. Hopefully that will be a bit easier than icing a few tiers!

DisneyDiva87 Thu 11-Jul-13 08:42:45

Just had a nosy at your cakes Mikes AMAZING!

I love the Disney themed ones [grins]

I'm going to add some Lurpak slightly salted to my next shop and I'm going to try my hand at buttercream, better add some icing sugar to that list too...

nannycook Thu 11-Jul-13 12:50:28

Oh look forward to seeing that then. Thats my first roses so pleased wih them. On to the next cake, anniversary cake with a difference, she wants a bus( all small things on top of a cake) suitcase, passports and a wine bucket and bottle for a diamond wedding, cant make it up can you?

MikeLitoris Thu 11-Jul-13 14:10:27

Thanks disney

That sounds fun nanny

Tbh I dont have many exciting cakes coming up. All a bit plain.

I do have a big candy crush one in Sept. That should be fun to do.

nannycook Sun 14-Jul-13 20:47:49

Hi Mike, the cake turned out ok although my bus wasnt really that good, i think if it had been bigger it would av looked so much better, and with this weather it didnt help, everything was small on the cake, but she loved it and apparently it tasted fab.

It looked great, I wouldn't know where to start. I've only managed 2 batches of scones for a school coffee morning this week. I was put to shame as one of my pupil's mums sent in 120 beautifully decorated cupcakes!envy It's been far too hot for baking, though I could murder a slice of cake right now.

nannycook Sun 14-Jul-13 21:12:00

Thank you. Well you made the effort and thats the main thing. I know what you mean i dread putting the oven on at the mo.

DisneyDiva87 Tue 23-Jul-13 07:49:31

I finally got a chance to bake last night and I used lurpak for the buttercream. What an amazing difference! Thanks so much guys, it was the one thing that really bugged me that I couldn't get right.

MikeLitoris Tue 23-Jul-13 15:19:03

Did you use the normal one or the slightly salted?

I made my wedding cake last week and forgot to take my phone for a pic of it set up sad

DisneyDiva87 Tue 23-Jul-13 15:30:52

Slightly salted grin

Who says I can't listen to advice

Shame about the wedding cake! Would have loved to have seen it.

MikeLitoris Tue 23-Jul-13 18:34:02

I'm hoping someone would have took a picture. I might have a picture of the cupcakes. Ill try and add it in a min.

stealthsquiggle Tue 23-Jul-13 18:41:03

I am so glad most of my cakes are done in winter.

I was going to say I have done a scooby doo van, but I see you solved your camper van problem a different way smile

nannycook Tue 23-Jul-13 21:34:43

Stealth, do you mean my campervan? it was ok i guess, everytime i make something i learn from and would probaly do it different the next time.

nannycook Tue 23-Jul-13 21:36:03

Aw Mike i hope so, thats so annoying, i forgot to take some pics the other day of my owl cupcakes,grrr.x

stealthsquiggle Tue 23-Jul-13 22:38:54

Your campervan is so cute, Nannycook - so neat and precise envy

It's really annoying when you forget to take photos - I have a few bags I have done that with (winter I bake, summer I sew...) but the one I have just finished is not going anywhere without pictures because I am so damned pleased with it - only it got so grubby and sweaty in the making that I had to wash it, and it is still drying... (sometimes I wish I could do that with finished cakes, just to smarten them up grin)

nannycook Wed 24-Jul-13 21:33:48

Thank you stealth, i know your very good at what you do so thats a nice compliment to me. take a photo of it and put it on here so i can see it. i've just sat down after making 12 vintage stlye cupcakes for a customer where i work. puta pic on profile later.

stealthsquiggle Wed 24-Jul-13 23:00:15

here it is - I am mostly pleased because I didn't copy it from anyone or anything smile

nannycook Wed 24-Jul-13 23:37:30

thats so good, do you sell your things then?

stealthsquiggle Wed 24-Jul-13 23:44:42

No - just presents (mostly for my DC to take to parties.

Bloody hell, I have never been onto this area of MN, you just came up in active conversations.
You are all so gifted envy

nannycook Thu 25-Jul-13 07:24:25

welcome to our little family kreecher, your so right there are many peeps on here that give such good advice, and they cover a huge range of things too., Ask away for anything you want to know and someone will help.

MikeLitoris Thu 25-Jul-13 07:53:17

I love that bag! You should sell them stealth

stealthsquiggle Thu 25-Jul-13 08:12:45

As with all these things, Mike, cakes included, of I were to price them based on how long they take, no one would buy them sad. Actually, that's not true of all the bags that I make, bit definitely of that one (I got a little carried away wink)

stealthsquiggle Thu 25-Jul-13 08:14:04

(please ignore random vowels in last post)

<<hits phone>>

MikeLitoris Thu 25-Jul-13 08:31:37

Very true stealth

nannycook Thu 25-Jul-13 12:13:18

i agree if we charged for all the time spent making our cakes they'd cost a fortune, no one would buy them .

DisneyDiva87 Tue 30-Jul-13 15:05:30

Thanks to inspiration from you guys I bought myself an easy icing book so now I can practice icing my very own cakes from dinosaurs to pony stables and 48 other designs in between!

Hoping that once I get a feel for it I'll be able to improvise my own. I've got the icing tools sitting in my amazon basket waiting for payday.

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