Middle name for Aryan?

(159 Posts)
FreddoPops Sun 09-Feb-14 12:42:16

Prefer a more common and international middle name.

Any ideas?

Cleopatois Sun 09-Feb-14 12:43:21

That name is very offensive.

FunkyBoldRibena Sun 09-Feb-14 12:44:43

Nazi?

Understand previous posters but surely it's no different than the female Ariana?

Shallishanti Sun 09-Feb-14 12:48:18

I don't think you can use that name.
Arran?
Aaron?

lilyaldrin Sun 09-Feb-14 12:48:57

Aryan is most commonly associated with white supremacy these days - not really a suitable name for a child.

WitchOfEndor Sun 09-Feb-14 12:49:21

Pride?

anothernumberone Sun 09-Feb-14 12:50:00

I agree with the others that name is as appropriate as Adolf Hitler.

DrewsWife Sun 09-Feb-14 12:51:12

Please tell me that this is a piss take..

AmberLeaf Sun 09-Feb-14 12:51:14

Nation.

Artandco Sun 09-Feb-14 12:52:09

Aryan is the old name of Persia. Female form aria/ ariana. In Sanskrit it means noble. I understand some see it as from 'nazi' era but it is a lovely name. It's pronounced ' arry-an' rather than 'air-rean' in my experience. I know an Artan, if that also appeals.

Some middle name ideas:

Aryan Theodore
Aryan James
Aryan Casper

BonaDea Sun 09-Feb-14 12:52:27

If for a girl, the spelling Arianne might be better...

Hawkmoth Sun 09-Feb-14 12:53:07

Adolf, or Adolphe.

mrssmith79 Sun 09-Feb-14 12:53:47

Amberleaf, you beat me to it! OP, please don't name your child after a Nazi movement. What about Aaron? Or Alex Ryan?

AmberLeaf Sun 09-Feb-14 12:53:58

It masy be a lovely name and have legitimate origins, however, people with assume the parents of a child with that name are far right/white supremecists.

RightInTheKisser Sun 09-Feb-14 12:54:58

I have taught a couple of Aryans. I think it is a name with Hindi origins. It is a name.

17leftfeet Sun 09-Feb-14 12:55:32

Ever get the shit off your car op? You never updated

Hope you managed to move

anothernumberone Sun 09-Feb-14 12:56:22

The swastika has beautiful peaceful origins and can be seen all over India I would not put in on a flag outside my home. This must be a joke thread.

Is this a typo? Ryan perhaps or Aryn?

Reincarnatedpig Sun 09-Feb-14 12:57:42

I have heard the name Arjan in Holland. Never associated it with "aryan".

eurochick Sun 09-Feb-14 13:00:27

I had the same thought - you cannot call a child that. It has such awful associations.

But if you must, how about Adolf as a middle name?

tracypenisbeaker Sun 09-Feb-14 13:03:08

I hope that you havent run this name by all your friends and family without anyone realising... i doubt anyone would hold their tongue knowing what it meant.

RightInTheKisser Sun 09-Feb-14 13:05:07

It's not a typo. It's a name. It's Arabic. It's used. I have taught children with this name. It's pronounced Ay Raan.

cafecito Sun 09-Feb-14 13:07:12

I know a few Indian Aryans and I don't think I have ever thought white supremacy.. I don't think many people will at all in years to come either. People are called anything really and nobody really cares or notices, surely? It is only the overanalytical parents who might notice - and even then they only think about their own child's name combinations usually, not other people's children unless absolutely outrageous

For a middle name I'd say if your surname is 2 or more syllables, go for a monosyllabic middle name like James. I also like Nicholas, Matthew, Ralph... names ending in 'an' or 'am' wouldn't go so well.

And with this name especially it doesn't matter about Persian or Hindu origins. For most people there's only one connotation and you'd be marking your entire family out as Nazi sympathisers and probable members of the EDL.

Is that really what you want?

Shallishanti Sun 09-Feb-14 13:10:58

people DO care and notice
a Jewish person, for example might very well care and notice
I would, and I'd think the parents were, at best, ignorant.
If the parents were Indian and living in India would be different

RightInTheKisser Sun 09-Feb-14 13:11:13

I know another who pronounces it Are yun which is how it looks to me. He is Pakistani. I have never heard anyone pronounce it the Air ee an way.

AmberLeaf Sun 09-Feb-14 13:14:26

Are you indian or pakistani OP?

If not, forget it.

I know two people called Aryan.

Both of them aren't known Aryan, now, althoigh it isn't pronounced as most people would pronounce it. They're known as Ari and Air.

RescueCack Sun 09-Feb-14 14:11:25

Aryan Brotherhood

Wanting an easy life isn't just for you, it's something you sometimes have to do for everyone. We live in a community. You can't opt out of certain things.

But I'm reading a book about censorship in our times by Nick Cohen and one of his basic arguments is that we're so afraid of offending nowadays that we're censoring ourselves to an extent that's gone too far. However I don't think censoring name choice is such a huge sacrifice. There must be others you like?

anyway. don't know why I'm feeding this. lol at 'international' name- are you sure that'd be fitting with Aryan?.....why not Dresden, like the sister of the Nazi pop twins in the US? (apparently these days they're all reformed and not grown up to be Nazi sympathisers)

Vatta Sun 09-Feb-14 14:28:02

Could you spell it differently, ie more the way you expect it to be pronounced? I really think it's a bad idea to use aryan, it has such terrible connotations.

GlitzAndGiggles Sun 09-Feb-14 14:34:05

It made me think of the Turkish yoghurt drink Ayrun I believe? But no don't use it as a name

onedev Sun 09-Feb-14 14:34:25

My DS has a friend called Aryan - his roots are Pakistani as far as I'm aware - never once occurred to me to associate it with Nazism?? I think it's a lovely name although wouldn't know a middle name to go with it, sorry!

GlitzAndGiggles Sun 09-Feb-14 14:34:40

Ayran even not Ayrun

DavidHarewoodsFloozy Sun 09-Feb-14 14:43:34

Ryan is a lovely name OP. Or Arianne for a girl.

BettyBotter Sun 09-Feb-14 14:44:16

I have a Dutch friend called Arian short for Adrianus (pronounced as you would Aryan) presumably. He has worked extensively in Arab countries where he has had to change his name to Aram because the word pronounced 'Arian' has an extremely offensive meaning in Arabic. I can't remember what but nothing to do with Nazism and we were told strictly never to address letters or ask for him on the phone as Arian.

So as far as international names go, it's alright in Holland but not really acceptable across large swathes of the world unless you don't mind your ds's name causing offence in a number of different ways. Sorry.

LynetteScavo Sun 09-Feb-14 14:54:31

One of the most gorgeous children I have ever met is called Aryan.

(He has Pakistani/English heritage)

I honestly can't think of a name which would "go" with it...I think you just need to find something you like.

I'm half Dutch and I wouldn't use this name. I can't imagine anyone in my family reacting well to that choice.

I have ancestors who hid Jews and got found out and sent to a camp. My Dutch grandfather and I bonded over our interest in the war when I was younger. He was always gentle, but had a hidden core of anger and regret and sadness in him linked to the events of the past, it is a big deal in our family. I couldn't use it.

FreddoPops Sun 09-Feb-14 15:49:49

Theodore - Too old
Ralph - Dislike
Casper - Makes me think of the ghost

Too Christian:
James
Nicholas
Matthew

I like Adam but don't think Aryan Adam flows very well.

bootsycollins Sun 09-Feb-14 16:00:30

Ayrton as in Senna

saintmerryweather Sun 09-Feb-14 16:01:42

So you're still going with the nazi name?

MataHairy Sun 09-Feb-14 16:04:18

How would you be pronouncing it?

Reincarnatedpig Sun 09-Feb-14 16:08:00

Well I am half Dutch too with Jewish ancestors and do not associate Arjan/Arian with Aryan. I don't think you can condemn all the Dutch Arjans and say their parents named them for the Aryan race -the name has a different root. There are also Dutch names which sound like Coon and Cock of course it sounds awful in English, but is quite acceptable there.

The name Saskia which is Dutch is said to derive from the word "Saxon" which also has rather unpleasant connotations to some people.

I think anyone using the name Aryan without changing the spelling is asking for trouble though. I think there are variations which are perfectly acceptable.

Artandco Sun 09-Feb-14 16:14:30

Aryan Quinn
Aryan Henri
Aryan Otis
Aryan Jensen

I would try for a diff spelling though.

Arrien, Adrian, Aaron, Aarien, Harrison??

Race?

If you call your child that, don't be surprised if they change it when they're older. People will think you're Nazi sympathisers, no matter how much you protest.

Please don't call your child Aryan.

IdaArnold Sun 09-Feb-14 16:30:31

Supremacy?

PsychoCynic Sun 09-Feb-14 16:33:22

My nephew is named Aaryan a traditional Indian name, just use the correct spelling OP.

I don't think you can condemn all the Dutch Arjans and say their parents named them for the Aryan race -the name has a different root.

I totally get your point- but I wasn't saying anything like that. I'm just saying that there are people with very thick skins around who aren't particularly bothered about upsetting people. Not that they're all racists and I wouldn't call my kid that because I'm not a racist. If I liked the name, I would only discount it on the terms that it's perceived to be offensive, not that it is offensive in itself. It's a name not a description and you can choose it for several reasons.

Figster Sun 09-Feb-14 16:36:11

Holy shit you must be kidding?

MistletoeBUTNOwine Sun 09-Feb-14 16:37:28

Haven't read all the posts; but just wanted to say DS was nearly called Aryan, it's a great name gringringrin

PsychoCynic Sun 09-Feb-14 16:38:29

....and it's pronounced Aah-ree-un

MistletoeBUTNOwine Sun 09-Feb-14 16:41:43

Dp is Indian btw, it's an Indian name. Aryan Sachin
Aryan Kiran
Aryan Lars
Aryan Krishna

EauRouge Sun 09-Feb-14 17:54:38

Aryan Circle

PandaWatch Sun 09-Feb-14 17:59:50

Adolf is also a legitimate name. How about Aryan Adolf to really mess with your child?

Vatta Sun 09-Feb-14 18:22:56

I'm sorry I really really think this is a bad idea. I couldn't possibly meet a child called Aryan without thinking of the nazis. I wouldn't assume the parents were white supremacists but I would definitely wonder!

Some posters above are saying the name is pronounced differently, in which case please just change the spelling so it's written the day that you want it to be said.

FreddoPops Sun 09-Feb-14 19:10:16

Vatta Aryan is the correct spelling.

Mistletoe It is a great name. But it's very hard to find a name to pair it with. I have a ridiculous amount of names for girls that work across religions/cultures: Hannah, Sarah, Zara, Sara, Mona etc. Why are boys names such pitas sad

tethersend Sun 09-Feb-14 19:20:19

I have taught a few Aryans. Mind you, I've also taught a Zulfucker and I'd hesitate to recommend that one grin

Unless you have Arabic links, I wouldn't use it.

Artandco Sun 09-Feb-14 19:24:07

Are you Indian? What about Aryan zakiriah

FreddoPops Sun 09-Feb-14 19:29:50

tethersend hmm
If you meant Zulfikar. It's pronounced Zul-fee-car.

I thought of that Art but I don't think it flows nicely.

FreddoPops Sun 09-Feb-14 19:31:09

BTW I never asked for opinions on 'Aryan' which is what this thread seems to have become.

Vatta Sun 09-Feb-14 19:49:05

Ok, I think we all know that you didn't ask for comments on aryan, but the fact that people are commenting on it should give you an indication of how offensive and shocking that name is to many people.

saintmerryweather Sun 09-Feb-14 20:15:48

If you ask for suggestions on a name with such connotations wtf do you expect?

Just out of interest Freddo, did you know what the connotations were in Europe before picking the name? If not then this explains it.

Labootin Sun 09-Feb-14 20:22:40

Is the OP being deliberately obtuse ? I sense there's a backstory here.

FWIW I know a delightful Aryan from when I lived in the ME (he was of Indian origin) and Hindu irrc .. They had a welcome mat which had what I thought to be a swastika and threw me completely

Unless you are of similar heritage I'm sure you OP know your being a twat.

ShatnersBassoon Sun 09-Feb-14 20:25:40

Whatever middle name you go for make sure it's really good, because I reckon it's going to come in useful.

I like Ryan or Ian. Rhyming takes the focus off the, err, y'know, the Nazi thing.

tethersend Sun 09-Feb-14 20:26:18

Freddie, no need for the humpy face, that is how his parents spelled it.

He really was called Zulfucker. If you pronounced it incorrectly whilst reading it in your head, then take it up with them.

That's the first time I've been accused of mispronouncing a name without even opening my mouth grin

coffeeinbed Sun 09-Feb-14 20:29:25

You're just going to make that child's life difficult.
And why?
Do you like it all that much?
To answer the OP, you can always use Rudolf, Hermann, Heinrich or Adolph.

DavidHarewoodsFloozy Sun 09-Feb-14 20:43:35

What about dauod?
Zafar?

Are you wanting a Soith East Asian, Arabic name Op? If so then that does put another slant on your OP.

Fwiw my Dh is of Pakistani heritage, and i,m constantly surprised by the wealth of names. First time I ever met a Shamus (Seamus) threw me. My dh people are Pathans, so this one had roaring red hair, that really threw me! grin.

rallytog1 Sun 09-Feb-14 20:45:18

Your child will not thank you for giving him this name. You're effectively condemning him to a life of being judged for a name he had no choice over. Surely you want better for him?

DavidHarewoodsFloozy Sun 09-Feb-14 20:45:54

South ^

FreddoPops Sun 09-Feb-14 20:46:08

The world doesn't revolve around Europe.

Aryan has been used way before Hitler and will continue to be used well after.

And anyone who sees an Indian child and thinks white supremacist is a bit dim TBH.

And yes, coffeeinbed we do 'like it all that much'. And why wouldn't we, it's a beautiful name with deep roots in our culture and history.

Sorry for the humpy face tethersend but if they were Muslim/South Asian I still think they would have meant Zulfikar

Will the child be living in Europe?

LynetteScavo Sun 09-Feb-14 20:50:04

Rohan/Rowen
Sunny/Sonny
Hari/Harry
Jay
Ray
Syon

coffeeinbed Sun 09-Feb-14 20:50:08

It's not just Europe.
It was WW2, as in World War Two.

And you asked on an website based in Europe. So the answers will reflect that.

FreddoPops Sun 09-Feb-14 20:51:44

DavidHarewoods Growing up with with people mispronouncing my name all the time I don't really want a strictly South Asian/Indian name. But a name that can be easily pronounced everywhere.

Just have Hari and Jai and Adam so far. Only think Aryan Jai goes well together so far.

SinisterSal Sun 09-Feb-14 20:52:24

LOL

I would think the parents of an Aryan are either a) white supremacists, b) thoughtless eejits or c) offensive, arrogant eejits.
i wouldn't be alone in that - surely you don't want that for your child?

Or maybe you're a bit bored on a Sunday night

tiredlady Sun 09-Feb-14 20:52:30

OP if you are having a caucasian baby then people may well raise their eyebrows at your choice of name.

However if you or your dh are of Asian origin, people would probably not think twice.

That may seem unfair, sorry.

anothernumberone Sun 09-Feb-14 20:54:50

The world doesn't revolve around Europe

I think it would have been useful to include the fact that you were not going to live in Europe in your OP or at least that is all you could assume from the above comment. If you live in Europe then yes your child's world is centred in Europe.

tiredlady Sun 09-Feb-14 20:55:28

Just read your post from which I assume you are of South Asian/Indian origin.
If that's the case then it's completely fine to use that name.
Like you said, anyone who thinks "white supremacy" when they see an Indian child with an Indian name is an idiot.

LynetteScavo Sun 09-Feb-14 20:55:41

I really like Aryan Jai and Aryan Hari. Not keen on Aryan Adam - I don't think it flows well.

bakeroony Sun 09-Feb-14 20:56:34

I've known a couple of Indian Aaryan's and Aryaan's.

If you want to avoid the stigma of white supremicist associations, go with a spelling like that.

jinglymum Sun 09-Feb-14 20:56:56

My husband is Persian and wanted to call our son that, not one person who we said the name to found it remotely offensive, or referred to anything to do with Nazi's. It's a nice name. Oh we live in the UK and I knew 3 Aryan's

LynetteScavo Sun 09-Feb-14 20:58:21

And anyone who sees an Indian child and thinks white supremacist is a bit dim TBH.

This. Even if the child is permanently living in the UK.

coffeeinbed Sun 09-Feb-14 21:00:47

You don't always see the child though.
Often you just se the name written down.

Anyway, I do find it offensive.

tethersend Sun 09-Feb-14 21:08:15

No problem, Freddo smile

FWIW, it's quite likely that his parents did mean Zulfikar (have taught a couple of them too), but, as they were first generation immigrants from Iraq, perhaps over-anglicised the spelling.

He preferred to be known as Zully grin

iwouldgoouttonight Sun 09-Feb-14 21:14:07

I'd never heard of Aryan as a name before this year, but now DS has 3 in his class! All of Indian origin and pronounced arry-an or arr-e-an. Sorry that's not much help in thinking of a middle name, but it's surprised me how popular it is.

tethersend Sun 09-Feb-14 21:14:29

How about Zulfikar?

wink

MaryWestmacott Sun 09-Feb-14 21:19:29

And anyone who sees an Indian child and thinks white supremacist is a bit dim TBH.

true, but will they be seeing them before judging them/their parents? I mean, I know people through work I've never met, I've seen e-mails from them, I've seen their CVs, I've recieved phone calls from them but not actually seen them...

OK OP, if you love the name, go for it, but be aware, you are chosing a name that is viewed very negatively in large parts of Europe and North America. People will judge, and not in a good way. Will your DC be living and working in Europe or North America? If not, how likely do you think it is that they will work with/for people from Europe/North America?

It's your choice, but think carefully, right now you are being offended by people's responses to the name you like, but after the first few years, it's not you who'll have to deal with the negative responses the name causes, but your child.

It upset you to have your name misprnounced as a child, you know that issues with a name aren't just for the parents to deal with. You are chosing a name that will cause your DC problems growing up, albeit not the same problem your name caused you.

Willabywallaby Sun 09-Feb-14 21:26:43

There's an Aaryan in my DS's class, I've never thought it being offensive.

HanSolo Sun 09-Feb-14 21:27:20

Do you want an Indian name for middle name too?
I am somewhat surprised at how few people on this thread have come across the name before (not in a white supremacist way!)- we know 3 Aryans, all under 10 though. (means illustrious)

What about Pratyush (dawn)?
Praval- fierce/strong
Jaidev (triumphant god)
Aditya (sun)
Vaibhav (one who shines)
Rishi (seer or sage)
Shashi (moon)

Aryan Praval has a nice flow to it.

LynetteScavo Sun 09-Feb-14 21:30:32

The OP wants a more common/international middle names.

James is nice. wink

CelticPromise Sun 09-Feb-14 21:55:42

I have met lots of baby Aryans (bf supporter in a cosmopolitan area), it's not unusual.

FreddoPops Sun 09-Feb-14 22:28:49

tethersend - I'd love to but some loon would probably pronounce it Zulfucker grin

LynetteScavo xposted. I like Rohan but don't think that goes either.

What about Taj?

onedev Sun 09-Feb-14 23:52:09

I like Aryan Jai - sounds lovely. smile

Lottystar Mon 10-Feb-14 11:13:30

I don't think of nazism when I hear this name, it's a name with it's own tradition, nothing to do with Adolf Hitler. Unfortunately though Op, seeing the reaction of a lot of posters you may be faced with this kind of response by some. Definitely something to consider although once named I doubt your little boy would face this kind of attitude barring occasional ignorance.

coffeeinbed Mon 10-Feb-14 11:55:37

You might see it as ignorance. Lotty, I see it as being sensitive to some of the major atrocities in human history.

Only1scoop Mon 10-Feb-14 12:05:33

Coffee....I get where you are coming from ....first thing that comes into my head ....hitlers....'Springs of life'

OTheHugeManatee Mon 10-Feb-14 12:08:08

Übermensch?

coffeeinbed Mon 10-Feb-14 12:11:04

Sadly, sometimes meanings
are being overtaken by events and words and symbols change.

Amrapaali Mon 10-Feb-14 12:20:40

Oh, I know someone called Sirtaj. I always think Sir Taj in my mind grin

It apparently means Crown, so royalty perhaps...

Aryan is perfectly fine.

Lottystar Mon 10-Feb-14 15:34:26

Coffeeinbed, the name has nothing to do with the Nazis or their atrocities. She's not naming her little boy Adolf! Aryan is a name with a history unassociated with WWII. You are blackening a name for no reason. If I met a little boy called Aryan I would not think his parents were neo nazis, would you, really?

Vatta Mon 10-Feb-14 15:46:22

If I met a white boy called aryan, I would definitely suspect his parents were white supremacists - wouldn't assume it, but it's such an odd name for a white person to choose that it would seem pretty likely.

I've never come across aryan as an Indian name, although I was aware the word itself (like the swastika) was appropriated from India by the nazis.

Op, am I right to assume that you have an Indian/Pakistani sounding surname? If so then maybe it's ok as when people first come across his name they'll just register it as something Indian rather than thinking of the nazis.

MarvellousMechanicalMouseOrgan Mon 10-Feb-14 15:49:12

Can you clarify the pronunciation, OP? Hard to think what will flow as I don't know the rhythm of it.

Is it ARR-ee-un with the emphasis on the first syllable, rhyming with car

or

AIR-ee-un

or

Arr-EE-un?

or something else?

TheScience Mon 10-Feb-14 15:53:23

A white child called Aryan I would definitely think white supremacists/neo-nazis - I'd think of that American couple who named their children Adolf and Aryan www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2152679/New-Jersey-parents-named-children-Adolf-Hitler-Aryan-Nation-back.html

An obviously Indian child, or the name written down with an obviously Indian surname, I wouldn't. Aryan Smith would make me hmm though.

Mumrose Mon 10-Feb-14 16:04:36

I like Aryan Jai too . Has a nice ring to it.

Everyone commenting negatively about the name Aryan

Aryan is a very popular boys name in India meaning noble/ illustrious

Arya is used for girls meaning the same

PsychoCynic Mon 10-Feb-14 16:05:19
Lottystar Mon 10-Feb-14 16:32:59

This name has nothing to do with the Nazis. It's a name in it's own right. I would not think that the parents are white supremacists, as the name transcends western culture and historically beyond 1939.

Aryan Jai has a nice ring to it. Other possible ideas:
Aryan Nathaniel
Aryan Isaac
Aryan Oliver
Aryan

Lottystar Mon 10-Feb-14 16:33:56

Last random Aryan was supposed to be Aryan Elijah.

coffeeinbed Mon 10-Feb-14 17:01:33

To answer your question, Lotty, yes, I probably would think that the parents have Nazi leanings, at the very least, because otherwise I would have to assume they were completely innocent of any knowledge of its connotation, or indeed of respect for recent history, and that would be quite unbelievable.

As for whether it transcends anything, I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you simply chose the wrong word.
I'm generous that way.

I also do tend to judge, unapologetically so, where anything to do with Nazis. Funny that.

I can see it does make a difference if the Aryan's non-white but as someone else said, you have to see them to know that!

TheFillyjonk Mon 10-Feb-14 17:12:30

Aryan is a gorgeous Persian name. Would you consider Aerion? I knew an Albanian man with this name and thought it was beautiful.

Amrapaali Mon 10-Feb-14 18:06:18

coffeeinbed you are coming across as really smug. Judge away, but nothing changes the fact that Aryan is a name steeped in antiquity.

Just because a psychotic man with a funny moustache used that word for his bloodthirsty pogroms, doesn't mean the word should be banned.

We've reclaimed words like slut and queer. Why not this? If enough boys are named Aryans, I think it will slowly cleanse away the negative connotations. This does not mean I am disrespectful of the Holocaust or the horrific suffering of the Jews.

coffeeinbed Mon 10-Feb-14 18:26:09

I don't know how many people died in the bloodthirsty pogroms, I do know though that in the subsequent war more than 60 million lost their lives.

Also "smug"?
Of all things, really?

I don't know why I bother.
Horse, water...

LynetteScavo Mon 10-Feb-14 18:36:17

Actually, coffeeinbed, I think you are being offensive to parents of boys called Aryan. I only know one set of parents who have chosen this name, but they are intelligent, well educated and very respectful people.

As the OP said...the name was around long before Hitler, and will be around long after.

"We've reclaimed words like slut and queer. Why not this? If enough boys are named Aryans, I think it will slowly cleanse away the negative connotations. This does not mean I am disrespectful of the Holocaust or the horrific suffering of the Jews." Well said, Amrapaali, I was about to post the same.

Lottystar Mon 10-Feb-14 18:47:29

Transcend - "to go beyond". This was the context I was referring to Coffeeinbed, but thank you for trying to belittle me.

You are also driving this conversation away from what the Op originally asked. I think Op is happy with the first name Aryan, they've asked for suggestions of middle names, nothing more.

Amrapaali Mon 10-Feb-14 20:27:47

All these nay-sayers, just wondering, did any of you make an official complaint when Game of Thrones aired?

FreddoPops Tue 11-Feb-14 00:45:15

coffeeinbed I'm sure you're against anyone using the name Josef too. Or was what Stalin did not atrocious enough for you?

I'm sure Indians/Iranians/Pakistanis wonder whilst thinking of names for their children, 'Gee, what would Hitler do?'

hmm

MarvellousMechanicalMouseOrgan It's pronounced Are-yun. 2 syllables.

TheFillyjonk Thanks but we're set for the first name.

Lottystar Thanks for the suggestion. They're fine for here but don't think they'd work in the East.

Added Dev and Neel/Neil. Is Neil a bit dated?

BOFtastic Tue 11-Feb-14 01:35:50

"As the OP said...the name was around long before Hitler, and will be around long after. "

Um, no. How many UK parents have used Myra since the sixties?

How is it pronounced?
That makes a difference to middle names

FreddoPops Tue 11-Feb-14 03:16:11

Um, no. How many UK parents have used Myra since the sixties?

Quite a lot actually, BOF.

According to the Office for National Statistics:

6 in 1998
9 in 1999
6 in 2000
11 in 2001
15 in 2002
26 in 2011
30 in 2012

And that's just 7 years out of 40+.

Utterbollocks Tue 11-Feb-14 08:40:35

Op, I know you weren't asking for opinions on aryan, but I think pp's were merely trying to flag up something you might have missed fair enough if it's not of concern to you.

Personally I sit on the fence, but wouldn't name a child either Myra or Aryan, which are both perfectly lovely names with negative connotations. Esp with Aryan I'd bear in mind how the written name would look on Cv's/ job apps. Some people would unfortunately judge.

Each to their own.

Fwiw, I too like Jay

MarvellousMechanicalMouseOrgan Tue 11-Feb-14 11:57:29

So the first syllable rhymes with car?

Aryan Seth
Aryan Robin
Aryan Frankie
Aryan Marcus
Aryan Henry
Aryan Jasper

Alisvolatpropiis Tue 11-Feb-14 13:25:35

If you are set on the name, fine. People are just trying to flag up what is a very obvious issue in their eyes.

If you are of Indian/Pakistani heritage then it certainly could work as a name.

I don't think Aryan as a boys name has the same potential to cross cultures and not make people think of Nazi's in the same way Arya does.

As an aside, comparing Josef/Joseph to Aryan to most European people is utterly pointless. The former being a historically common name, the latter being the name given to a Nazi ideology. Same goes for Joesph and Adolf. Or indeed, Joseph and Myra.

I understand Aryan is a historically used name in your culture, I do.

PandaWatch Tue 11-Feb-14 13:46:42

It amazes me that there are other threads running alongside this where people are debating using Madeleine but posters are purportedly baffled as to why someone might find Aryan a terribly poor choice.

Btw, it is not just a European issue. You'll find plenty of neo-nazis in the US and Canada and other parts of the world who have embraced the name for their "organisations".

It's also worse remembering that it is the child who will have to live with this name so it's not just about the parents' freedom of choice.

Out of interest, for people who say there is nothing wrong with the name, do you consider any names to be off limits? Adolf, for example? I'm genuinely interested.

Amrapaali Tue 11-Feb-14 14:34:22

Alis you are clutching at straws now. Arya is fine for a girl, but Aryan is taboo for a boy? White supremacists can be of any gender, I think.

"As an aside, comparing Josef/Joseph to Aryan to most European people is utterly pointless. The former being a historically common name."

Exactly. Just as Joseph is a historically common name in Europe, Aryan is historically common in South Asia as well.

fancyanotherfez Tue 11-Feb-14 14:44:11

My DS went to playgroup with an Indian boy called Aryan. Hs mum pronounced it AAr-ee-an. He was lovely but even though they and I are Asian, I did think hmmm...

MrsOakenshield Tue 11-Feb-14 14:44:46

*Quite a lot actually, BOF.

According to the Office for National Statistics:

6 in 1998
9 in 1999
6 in 2000
11 in 2001
15 in 2002
26 in 2011
30 in 2012*

that it not a lot, in a population of 30 million people that is a microscopically tiny percentage.

You are not in an Asian country where the name does not have the connotations it has here in Europe. It is spectacularly offensive. I have just read this out in my office and everyone gasped in shock and then laughed at the sheer idiocy of thinking it's a good, or even acceptable, name for a child.

If there was a child at DD's nursery with this name I would actively avoid the parents, and discourage any friendship, as the obvious inference is that they are nazis and I would not want such people around my child.

Takingbackmonday Tue 11-Feb-14 14:45:51

Aryan is actually a really gorgeous name... maybe stick in an extra 'a' at the beginning for future work emails etc

MrsOakenshield Tue 11-Feb-14 14:58:28

I have just read more of the OP's comments and see that she is Asian (though I don't know if her DP is) so some of my post is nonsense (I wouldn't think you were nazis, just idiots). However, it still remains the fact that here in Britain the name has very offensive historical (and not really that historical - there will still be plenty of people alive who remember of were affected by the Holocaust) connotations, and I think it would be very ignorant to forget that.

Lottystar Tue 11-Feb-14 15:35:06

MrsOakenshield, you would avoid a child or suggest your children did so because of their name? A personal choice made by their parents who you don't know. I think that attitude is more worrying than any name someone could concoct for their child. A bit like that Katie Hopkins. I think Aryan in this context is fine, it's an old name with different cultural connotations. I have Jewish family and I see no offence, I also studied history at uni so I'm not ignorant of Hitler's awfulness. It simply has nothing to do with this little boy or family!

Only1scoop Tue 11-Feb-14 15:37:44

A really gorgeous name .....
Maybe many think so

With the most awful anti-Semitic connotations.

Back to the thread ....don't think you really need a middle name.

Amrapaali Tue 11-Feb-14 15:42:17

MrsOakenshield wherever did the OP say she was in Britain or Europe for that matter? I think she says she is in the East.

"..actively avoid the parents, and discourage any friendship, as the obvious inference is that they are Nazis."

Well, like duh, obviously!!

Some prejudiced and blinkered people around on this thread with no sense of other cultures or world history.

Amrapaali Tue 11-Feb-14 15:44:51

Agree OP, you don't really need a middle name. Just wondering why you want an international sounding name? Will you be travelling a lot? Changing schools often?

MrsOakenshield Tue 11-Feb-14 15:47:10

yes, I would - I'm not the only one who has said that they would assume the parents were white supremecists (sorry, I just can't seem to spell that right) and obviously I wouldn't want my child hanging around with such people - would you? Of course their child would be fine, until such time he started to repeat his parents' views, but I wouldn't want DD having playdates or being in the home of nazis. Just as if I found out that the parents of any of her little chums were racist, I would back slowly away and not allow DD in their home. Of course, I would not say 'you can't play with so-and-so'.

Obviously, I now realise that in this instance at least one of the parents is Asian, which would explain it and I wouldn't make that assumption - but it would still be a horrible name to give a child.

coffeeinbed Tue 11-Feb-14 16:02:48

Some prejudiced and blinkered people around on this thread with no sense of other cultures or world history.

Clearly.

Look Aryan isn't just a name, it's an ideology, it's the whole movement of the race of the Übermensch. Even Adolf is just a nave, as is Josef.

Aryan isn't.
It's the ideal, it's what Hitler strived, lived and breathed for.
If you cannot see how that might offensive, then you're clearly lacking something.

Lottystar Tue 11-Feb-14 16:03:32

I wouldn't assume that a child called Aryan had parents who were white supremacists even if he was Caucasian. It's a very old name and why should you have to be Asian for it to be okay? I don't see it being intrinsically linked with the Third Reich.

I could understand the name Adolf would raise eyebrows but I would never blame the child, that's just cruel.

coffeeinbed Tue 11-Feb-14 16:06:58

No one's blaming the child.
Child doesn't choose its name.

There is an Aryan in my DD's class at school. His parents are (I think) Hindu or Sikh.

I think it would sound nice with a middle name beginning with one of the softer consonants, perhaps with the letter M or a soft G/J?

Fearing a word/name gives that word/name power. It would be fabulous if lots of boys were called Aryan so it became "just a name", rather than associated with a particularly nasty ideology.

FreddoPops Tue 11-Feb-14 16:29:16

MrsOakenshield 'that it not a lot, in a population of 30 million people that is a microscopically tiny percentage.'

A lot may have been a poor choice of word but my point was that Myra has been used since the 60s (which is what BOF asked).

If there was a child at DD's nursery with this name I would actively avoid the parents, and discourage any friendship, as the obvious inference is that they are nazis idiots and I would not want such people around my child.

Since you're obviously prejudiced (pre-judging us without knowing anything about me or my family or the relevance of the name in relation to us, our history and culture) I wouldn't care if you avoided us, as I don't tolerate narrow-minded people very well.

FloppyPoppyCocky Tue 11-Feb-14 16:35:51

But isn't it pronounced differently anyway? So you would hear the name for weeks probably first in most cases before you saw it written down.

mummymeister Tue 11-Feb-14 16:38:00

Freddopops. kids get grief for all sorts of things at school - being too fat, too thin, having red hair, curly hair, straight hair, funny teeth you name it really. if you give them a name with connotations however unintended on your part then this is just something else that they will have to contend with. there are some lovely names out there but for example I wouldn't call my son Richard William (Dick Willy) or my daughter Fanny or anything else that could cause the sort of nasty sniggering and name calling that goes on. by all means call your son this but be aware he might not thank you for it as he grows older. personally, I would avoid anything like this, like the plague.

But what percentage of children were born with the name Myra pre 1960's. That would give some perspective to your point OP.

Only1scoop Tue 11-Feb-14 17:00:26

Agree Gossamer

MrsOakenshield Tue 11-Feb-14 20:00:02

I don't tolerate narrow-minded people very well

I don't tolerate ignorant people very well, either, and to ignore the history and culture of this country, and indeed Europe as a whole when (I assume) you live here is spectacularly crass.

It might interest you to know that when I just tried to google Aryan, using the google search function in the top toolbar (on a Mac) it disappeared - it does that if you search for 'porn' too. It's something that people don't want popping up on their search history.

Food for thought.

Thewhingingdefective Tue 11-Feb-14 20:12:37

I would choose an obviously Indian or Asian middle name rather than a British or International name, so when written down it's clear the name Aryan has nothing to do with Nazism.

I don't know if it's right, but I see the name as Arr- yan, not Air-ee-an.

Alisvolatpropiis Tue 11-Feb-14 20:43:58

Amra

Try reading my entire post before quoting the bits that suit you dear.

Kittykatmacbill Tue 11-Feb-14 23:16:53

Please don't, or if you must spell it differantly.

I would particulary don't if he will have a European surname. Aryan smith (for example) could be more likely to be off putting and mean your child is judged. Life is hard enough without creating extra challenges.

Ps I once worked with a Dutch guy called Coon, lovely guy everytime he met anyone new he apologised for his name....

If it were pronounced air ree an I would be hmm without having previously known the Indian origin (as I didn't before this thread)

If it was pronounced Ay ran or similar I wouldn't think twice but would change the spelling.

kentishgirl Wed 12-Feb-14 15:07:43

Whatever it means elsewhere, in the UK the poor kid is going to have to deal with everyone getting a frozen WTF? look on their face when he tells them his name.

Imnotsurehowtogetthisout Wed 12-Feb-14 22:06:31

You must all live in white supremacist parts of england. I would never associate this name with the nazi movement. It is a beautiful name and I have come across this name several times (london). Mostly Iranians.

I also like Aryan Jai OP.

SomethingOnce Thu 13-Feb-14 00:45:11

Lol at all the people who would assume a white supremacist agenda, even for a white child named Aryan. Seriously?

I've never knowingly met a white supremacist (plenty of racists from various ethnicities, but not your actual white supremacists). Not saying there aren't any, but I'm guessing they tend not to draw attention to their views. And that would include not calling a child something stupidly obvious like Aryan. (Stupidly obvious in the context of being a white supremacist).

I don't recall ever meeting an Aryan, but I'd have assumed it was a name with which I was unfamiliar from another culture. It's nice. I agree that Jai works well as a middle name.

Misssss Sat 15-Feb-14 08:39:23

There is an Aryan in the school where I teach. I can't decide if the parents are thick or racists. Either way I die a little every time I see the name written down.

Lottystar Sat 15-Feb-14 10:04:03

That's a lovely thing for a teacher to say.

MamaLazarou Sat 15-Feb-14 18:33:21

My mum used to teach an Aryan: blonde hair, blue eyes, the poster child for Hitler Youth.

It's unfortunate for a child to have such sad connotations. If I met a child of Asian appearance with the name, I wouldn't necessarily assume the parents were neo-Nazis, I'd just think it was an unfortunate misunderstanding. For someone to be well aware of the connotations of the name and to use it anyway just shows a barefaced lack of cultural sensitivity.

OP, to answer your question, I'd go with your second-favourite name as middle name, as there's a good chance that your child will turn out to be more respectful of other people's feelings than his parents and will choose to go by his middle name instead.

FreddoPops Sat 15-Feb-14 23:18:31

MrsOakenshield Nice try. Somehow I doubt you would be calling people who name their child Joseph ignorant and crass. Why is that?

They're both historically and culturally common names, Aryan was around long before Nazi Germany and the name is not even pronounced the same as the word Aryan.

The only difference is Joseph is historically and culturally common in Europe. This is very much a case of 'it's fine for your country but not in ours'.

And as much as I appreciate the hypocritical and bigoted posts. I'm done with this thread.

For those of you who took the time to respond to my original post. Thank you very much. We decided on Aryan Jai. A.J as a nn. smile

Mumzy Sat 15-Feb-14 23:25:48

I known someone whose Indian called Swastik. Always thought its a strange name to call your child if you live permanently in the west.

MrsOakenshield Sun 16-Feb-14 00:47:00

Because Joseph is a name that the vast majority of people associate with the Bible - the father of Jesus. It had that as a very strong association way before Stalin came on the scene. Aryan, as this thread has clearly shown, and which you are clearly ignoring, is a word that most people associate with the hateful ideology that Hitler created, the result of which was the Holocaust.

Stick with AJ. Because your son is not going to thank you for saddling him with this name. Because, sooner or later, he will study the Second World War and will learn about the Aryan Nation. And his class will turn around and look at him. But you know that, and you're happy with that.

If I was the only person on this thread then it wouldn't matter. But I'm not, by a long shot. And, unless you are very ignorant or thick-skinned indeed, you knew damn well what the response would be when you posted.

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