Arthwr

(101 Posts)
MyThumbsHaveGoneWeird Mon 07-Oct-13 08:45:42

DH (not British) says Arthur is too English. He likes Welsh names (I am Welsh) and has googled and says Arthwr is a Welsh spelling. It's not one I have ever heard and I think it's pretty obscure...it's a crazy idea right? A small part of me does wonder if it works though, and with Arthur shooting up the popularity charts maybe it would be an idea... After all no one thinks the welsh spellings of Alys and Huw are silly do they?

Please help my pregnancy befuddled brain on this one. Only 4 weeks to go! We have other ideas but none of the welsh ones are really standing out as much as DS1's did, and there aren't any from DH's country that he loves, in fact he hasn't suggested any at all!

Tiredemma Mon 07-Oct-13 08:53:55

be prepared for people spelling it the 'english' way

curlew Mon 07-Oct-13 08:56:15

Please don't- he will spend his whole life with people correcting the "typo"!

I think Gethin is a fabulous Welsh name. Geth for short. Or Huw?

MyThumbsHaveGoneWeird Mon 07-Oct-13 08:57:23

DH says Gethin sounds like Get in
I have been pushing for Huw since before conception but he still says no.
sad

MyThumbsHaveGoneWeird Mon 07-Oct-13 08:59:09

Wanna see my list?

Arthwr
Taliesin
Hywel
Huw/Hugh
Emrys
Clement
Ernest
Aneurin/ Aneirin
Gethin
Carwyn
Erasmus
Angus

OryxCrake Mon 07-Oct-13 08:59:51

People will 'correct' the spelling.

How about Gwilym? (I know a lovely Gwilym so am biased!)

MyThumbsHaveGoneWeird Mon 07-Oct-13 08:59:53

Oh somehow missed off Arthur in the cut and paste

OryxCrake Mon 07-Oct-13 09:00:55

Really like Taliesin as well

MyThumbsHaveGoneWeird Mon 07-Oct-13 09:02:35

I am going to have to name change forever after this, but that is DS1!
grin
Is the lovely Gwilym you know 2 years old OryxCrake??

Gwilym had family connections and I haven't found anything that stands out like that did.

OryxCrake Mon 07-Oct-13 09:05:31

Ah, such a lovely name for your DS1! (The Gwilym I know is an adult.)

curlew Mon 07-Oct-13 09:06:37

Shame- I think Hugh/Huw is lovely. I don't think anyone will have a problem with pronouncing Gethin since there's a famous(ish) one. And I do love Geth!
Emrys is nice. And Taliesin- but it's a bit hippy (if that bothers you!) Tal is good.

I think Arthwr is just setting him up for a lifetime of minor daily irritation.

curlew Mon 07-Oct-13 09:08:37

Ah, I don't think you can have Gwylim and Gethin, can you? It sounds a bit like two guards in Merlin who fall asleep and let the baddies into the castle........

MyThumbsHaveGoneWeird Mon 07-Oct-13 09:14:13

Lol Curlew
I've never watched Merlin, are there really a pair of guards called that? Maybe I should watch it for further inspiration...

MyThumbsHaveGoneWeird Mon 07-Oct-13 09:15:44

I like hippy. But I do want the sort of name where he could choose to be a corporate banker OR a teepee dwelling wood carver. If you know what I mean.

curlew Mon 07-Oct-13 09:17:03

Not really- but there are a lot of welsh named guards- the equivalent of people in red shirts in Star Trek, if you see what I mean!

mejon Mon 07-Oct-13 09:29:41

I've never seen/heard the Welsh spelling Arthwr (I'm first-language Welsh speaker). It tends to get spelt Arthur but prn. Arthir with a short 'ir' sound like in irregular.

TobyLerone Mon 07-Oct-13 09:32:33

Arthwr looks like I typo. I thought it was one, in your title.

Taliesin is lovely.

Trills Mon 07-Oct-13 09:38:36

Welsh names that do not have an exact homophone in English (most of the rest of your list) can look any way they want, IYSWIM, because people are not thinking of the English name.

Alys and Huw look like they are quite deliberate.

Arthwr looks like a typo. It's too close in spelling to Arthur to be easily recognised as a deliberately different name. (even though U and W are not close on the keyboard)

Beehatch Mon 07-Oct-13 09:44:37

Not convinced about Arthwr as a spelling, it doesn't even make the sound of how I would pronounce Arthur in Welsh.

If you want to keep up the Arthurian theme though, how about Tristan (or Drystan for a more authentic spelling) very romantic!

Or you could keep up the Welsh bard theme, saw you have Aneirin, but Cian is another.

Other Welsh names I love are Gerallt, Guto, Gareth (has the advantage of working well in English), Macsen and Ianto

harryhausen Mon 07-Oct-13 09:51:05

Welsh is my second language and I've never ever seen a Welsh spelling - Arthwr. I think it just looks like a typo too, like someone got a bit flouncy with the 'u'.

My favorite Welsh bits names are Emrys, Gethin, Dylan (pronounced Dil-lan) and Alyn.

harryhausen Mon 07-Oct-13 09:52:07

Wooo I've just seen Beehatches post - Ianto. Definitely, gorgeous name. I've never met an awful Ianto.

TobyLerone Mon 07-Oct-13 10:06:20

How ironic that I should make a typo in a post about something looking like a typo blush

MyThumbsHaveGoneWeird Mon 07-Oct-13 10:13:00

My Dad (very welsh) has always used Ianto as a joke name for some reason.

V grateful for all the linguistics advice from Welsh speakers, I think that's what I wanted. Arthwr is off the list. Do you think Arthur will be a 10 to a class name in a few years?

Emrys is quite a recent idea but I think it's becoming a front runner. DH not keen on the sound, but if he keeps being this awkward he might just have to let me pick.

Do love Taliesin but it is a bit of a mouthful isn't it?

Ianto is good, Hugh is lovely (biased wink ) what about Rhys? I am not sure about Arthwr, it does look like a typo.

MyThumbsHaveGoneWeird Mon 07-Oct-13 10:16:00

Aneirin I love (and like the idea of a bards theme! Relative Gwilym was a bard), just think that the non welsh will find it very hard.

BurberryQ Mon 07-Oct-13 10:17:14

I live in Wales and have never seen 'Arthwr'
Taliesin is a fab name, if i had another baby it would be top of the list.
I know/knew one recently and he had it shortened to 'Tali'.

Beehatch Mon 07-Oct-13 10:18:51

Just thought of a couple more
Gwydion
Rhodri
Carwyn
Emrys
And I knew a Caredig once (means kindness I think)

And you can't beat Bryn of course (DS middle name)

I think people pick up welsh names pretty quickly. I was at school in England and went to school with a Daffyd, Llewellyn, Rhys and Celyn.

MyThumbsHaveGoneWeird Mon 07-Oct-13 10:22:54

grin def not Bryn, that is my sister in law's name!
(She is American)

Love the other ideas Beehatch, will mull them over...

MrsOakenshield Mon 07-Oct-13 10:23:56

Aneurin is lovely, also Ianto and Bryn.

welsh boys names here worth a look!

MostlyLovingLurchers Mon 07-Oct-13 10:33:05

If you use Aneirin/Aneurin it usually gets shortened to Nye, so wouldn't be too difficult for non welsh-speakers. It's my reserve name if I have another ds (if not it will be the next lurcher boy!). Emrys is lovely.

MyThumbsHaveGoneWeird Mon 07-Oct-13 10:34:30

Thanks scone, good link! Have sent it to DH.

IwishIwasmoreorganised Mon 07-Oct-13 10:37:13

What about Iolo
Aled,
Carwyn
Emlyn
Wyn
Ifan?

Viviennemary Mon 07-Oct-13 10:41:17

I too thought it was a typing error. I don't think this is a very good idea at all.

MyThumbsHaveGoneWeird Mon 07-Oct-13 10:43:40

Like Emlyn, but it breaks my "no living relatives" rule.

TalkativeJim Mon 07-Oct-13 10:43:56

Arthwr is definitely made up I'm afraid (I've seen all sorts of nonsense on baby name sites!)

Some lovely names here. Gwilym would have been a front runner if we'd had boys. Others we liked were:

Talfryn (Tal)
Mabon
Macsen

Maybe Talfryn could be a less wordy alternative to Taliesin? I agree with you, I love that name too, but the three syllables makes it a bit much somehow. Same short form...

Ianto is a bit of a joke name for our family too!! Actually like it and it's making a bit of a comeback but I could never use it. 'Ian-TO!'

MyThumbsHaveGoneWeird Mon 07-Oct-13 10:44:39

and like Wyn but DH says its "too short" confused

MyThumbsHaveGoneWeird Mon 07-Oct-13 10:54:35

Hmmm...Talfryn is a completely new one to me. Like the sound very much. TAL-vrin

Are there any good previous owners? Fictional or historical?

It's just that with DS being called after our most (only!) famous relative I feel like I want DS2 to have a sort of a reason for his name too. Like a high achiever in history, or a poet, or even a legend. Hence my Erasmus idea (two pretty amazing previous owners) or Aneirin. That's also what puts me off Carwyn, no history. Does that make any sense?

mejon Mon 07-Oct-13 11:04:24

Talfryn Thomas grin. Taliesin is getting quite popular now but apart from Mr Dads Army I've never heard of another.

niffernaffer Mon 07-Oct-13 11:05:32

What about Pryderi or Dewi?

spiderlight Mon 07-Oct-13 11:12:06

I'm Welsh and have never seen Arthwr either. I love Taliesin. I have a little Rhidian.

SoupDragon Mon 07-Oct-13 11:12:58

Idris is my fantasy boys name.

greeneyes1978 Mon 07-Oct-13 11:16:48

How about Alwyn, and Wyn for short? I know a grown up Alwyn and it's a lovely name. I have an Aneurin by the way... I do love the name!

TheFabulousIdiot Mon 07-Oct-13 11:17:02

People will pronounce Aneurin/ Aneirin completely wrongly - they will say 'Ann-eye-rin instead of Ah-neigh-rin.

TalkativeJim Mon 07-Oct-13 11:18:44

My great uncle is Talfryn grin

He is in his sixties and quite the raconteur, he is very much a Tal.

Yes I see what you mean about the history. But...we went for a name that 'meant something' for our eldest; for our youngest we went with what sounded good. I much prefer youngest's name and kind of wish we'd prioritised that for the elder one too - their name becomes their name, and how it sounds is much more important than the odd occasion when they get to say 'I'm named after xxx actually...'

Just my thoughts on it anyway.

I considered Emrys for ds (would have been my choice if I was choosing alone iyswim) and his middle name is Erasmus. I love both. Iolo and Ianto are brill too.

The last three baby boys born locally were all called Arthur and I have 3 FB friends with Arthurs under 2. I think it's quite popular.

gintastic Mon 07-Oct-13 11:25:09

I was going to say Gwilym as well! I know 2, a 3yo and a 50ish year old.

How about Ieuan?

MyThumbsHaveGoneWeird Mon 07-Oct-13 11:32:04

Love lots of these ideas, thanks, but there's often something like a close relative or a sisters ex that gets in the way. Your uncle sounds great TJim! smile think I will add him to the list.

Stumps I'm amazed that anybody else came up with both Emrys and Erasmus for the same child... What name did you chose in the end? Don't worry if you'd rather not say.

MrsOakenshield Mon 07-Oct-13 12:13:08

oh yes, Idris is a lovely name - you can say you named him after the little dragon in Ivor the Engine or the hot actor of the same name who isn't Welsh to my knowledge but never mind.

mistlethrush Mon 07-Oct-13 12:16:43

I know a couple of Welsh Geraints which I think is a lovely name.

harryhausen Mon 07-Oct-13 13:35:42

Hywel?

harryhausen Mon 07-Oct-13 13:38:36

OP, I only know one Arthur. He's 4. My Dcs are 8 and 6 and there are none I know of in the school. There are a few Rhys's. I'm not living in Wales.

grin At the memory of 'Idris' the dragon from Ivor the Engine.

Cezella Mon 07-Oct-13 13:56:25

I'm Welsh first language and can confirm Arthwr is made up- it wouldn't even make the sound Arthur- all the Welsh Arthurs I know are just Arthur but it's often pronounced "ir" rather than "ur" if you know what I mean.

How about Iago? That's my favourite Welsh boys name!

Or...

Ifan /Evan
Rhys
Owain
Elgan

MiniMonty Mon 07-Oct-13 14:04:32

I have to put a vote in for Morgan. About as Welsh as it gets, impossible to mispronounce, an easy name to "live with" as a kid.

MyThumbsHaveGoneWeird Mon 07-Oct-13 14:26:03

Geraint, Morgan, Owen all great but relatives. Iago is cool but would have thought Shakespeare rather than Welsh?

MyThumbsHaveGoneWeird Mon 07-Oct-13 14:28:20

And I haven't seen Orthello but isn't Iago the baddie?

MyThumbsHaveGoneWeird Mon 07-Oct-13 14:30:31

Idris - taken
Elgan -marbles
Rhys - know millions

I am seriously coming down in favour of Emrys...

BestIsWest Mon 07-Oct-13 15:46:45

Have to disagree about An-eye-rin being the wrong pron - depends where in Wales you come from.

What about Iestyn?

BurberryQ Mon 07-Oct-13 15:55:14

ooh Iestyn what a great name!
yes Iago was a big big baddie, no good at all.

Alisvolatpropiis Mon 07-Oct-13 19:13:57

Faulous

They'd only say it incorrectly until they were corrected, same as any other unfamiliar name.

Best An-eye-rin is wrong though, the letters in the name don't make an eye sound in Welsh. This may not be an issue in the more Anglicised areas but it doesn't make it right either.

Alisvolatpropiis Mon 07-Oct-13 19:15:32

Such a shame about Othello really. Iago is a great name but as he was the baddest of the bad in that play it really isn't ok.

My dp lectured me about this for ages once. Agreed Jago could be a compromise of sorts. As in, he still hates it but it's at least not Iago.

thegreylady Mon 07-Oct-13 19:47:23

Idris is perfect smile

BestIsWest Mon 07-Oct-13 20:14:33

Ali - I understand what you are saying as we are near Swansea so yes it is more anglicised perhaps but both my parents, grandparents etc are native Welsh speakers and would use the 'eye' pronunciation, not just in Aneirin or Aneurin. Doesn't mean it's wrong sorry.

Iamsanta Mon 07-Oct-13 20:15:37

Neifion,
Taran,
Sandde,
Dewi,

MyThumbsHaveGoneWeird Mon 07-Oct-13 20:26:43

Idris is great. And recently used by one of my oldest friends.

I love everything about Aneurin/Aneirin APART from the fact that I have grown up hearing it and am still a bit fuzzy about its pronunciation! When my Dad (welsh 1st language) says it it sounds like it almost has 4 syllables:"a nigh re an" with a slightly rolled r. I'm not sure I'd be able to do a good job of explaining it to people not from UK!

Now I'm thinking of trying to persuade DH that Taliesin is the way forward...he is less anti that than most others surprisingly.

MyThumbsHaveGoneWeird Mon 07-Oct-13 20:31:06

Ooo v interesting Iamsanta...I just googled Taran. Welsh and Indian... Def interested. I had never heard of it. Do you know any?

Alisvolatpropiis Mon 07-Oct-13 20:33:24

Best

I think accent affects it. For such a small country Wales has a wide variety of local accents!

I live in Cardiff but my Taid is a native Welsh speaker...from North Wales, remarkably different to South Walian!

MyThumbsHaveGoneWeird Mon 07-Oct-13 20:37:35

Any other welsh people ever heard of Taran or Neifion? I like them but totally new to me.

MyThumbsHaveGoneWeird Mon 07-Oct-13 20:44:15

Iamsanta is it ta-ran (a as in apple) or taa-ran (a as in car)?

Iamsanta Mon 07-Oct-13 20:52:45

Neifion is welsh for Neptune, know one little Neifion.

I know two Tarans, lovely name.

What about Celt?
Gwion,
Robart
Llwyd

IwishIwasmoreorganised Mon 07-Oct-13 21:19:42

I know one Taran - lovely name.

What about Elian or Cian?

MyThumbsHaveGoneWeird Tue 08-Oct-13 10:19:47

I think I might start a new thread some time about Neifion and Taran. Thanks!

spiderlight Tue 08-Oct-13 12:14:39

I've never come across Taran before but I LOVE it! (Is 6 too old to change DS's name...?)

Iamsanta Tue 08-Oct-13 16:43:47

Well if you go with Taran or Neifion I think I deserve to be godmother. wink

MyThumbsHaveGoneWeird Tue 08-Oct-13 17:31:16

grin

Iamsanta Tue 08-Oct-13 19:44:58

Also..

Caio
Gelert

Another here who is Welsh and can confirm Arthwr is bollox... the real Welsh version it's spelled Arthur, pronounced Arth-ir.

moondog Tue 08-Oct-13 20:44:46

<guffaw> at Athwr
Idris also used by a lot of Arabs which is funny.
Geraint too like 'grunt'

Iamsanta Tue 08-Oct-13 20:47:00

Guto
Emyr
Cellan

Monkeymonstermum Wed 09-Oct-13 07:42:11

I love Rhys - not sure if too mainstream for you but I think it's welsh but not confusing if you live outside Wales.
Agree with others not Arthwr - looks like typo.
Huw is great too.
Aled?

Monkeymonstermum Wed 09-Oct-13 07:52:18

PS: if you are Welsh then Carwyn definitely (would put that in bold if I knew how to!) has history - Carwyn James was the famous rugby coach of the '71 British Lions that are the only side to beat the All Blacks in a series!!! Being connected to rugby in Wales makes it practically legendary!

maishoffwcingras Wed 09-Oct-13 08:13:44

Iamsanta Cellan are you kidding me?!!! It means bollock! grin

MyThumbsHaveGoneWeird Wed 09-Oct-13 12:16:29

Ooo that would make my Dad happy Monkey!
Lol maishoffwcingras

Any welsh people have opinions on Neifion? Too weird?

maishoffwcingras Wed 09-Oct-13 13:05:06

mythumbs for me Neifion is like Eifion with an extra N added to the front. Never heard it to be honest. Eifion however is nice IMO

Iamsanta Wed 09-Oct-13 20:25:29

Maisheffwcingras first of all I think u have the best name! Gwych. grin

Are you sure it means that? Are you North or south? I know a little Cellan and there a place down South called Cellan.

Down here we use Carreg/cerrig for bollocks! well that's the word we use in front of the bulls before we castrate

If Neifion is too out there what about Teifion? Used a lot down this end.

maishoffwcingras Thu 10-Oct-13 07:56:40

ha ha thanks Iam it's not often that people get it grin

I am north. Hmm maybe I'm wrong then. I know officially it's caill/ceilliau but I'm sure I've heard people use cellan (that doesn't mean it's correct though!). Cerrig grin - do you use a different word for stone then or same one?

ImpOfDarkness Sat 12-Oct-13 07:31:21

Yes I was going to say Idris is coincidentally a boy's name in Arabic too.

Iamsanta Sun 13-Oct-13 10:33:44

maisho we also use pwrs...as in purse! We also use cerrig/Carreg for stones blush

Why do us welsh have double meanings for all these words! lol

Please keep us updated OP but don't use Cellan. wink

MyThumbsHaveGoneWeird Sun 13-Oct-13 12:21:18

Thanks! grin I won't.

At the moment it looks like it might be either Emrys or Taliesin. But all the others are still on my list so who knows! 37 weeks today.

Iamsanta Mon 14-Oct-13 19:16:17

Only 3 weeks to go, keep us updated with the name.

I think Gwilym and Emrys go perfect together.

MoominMammasHandbag Mon 14-Oct-13 19:48:05

Ianto is a nickname for Ifan, and Guto is a nickname for Gruffydd.
Carreg means stones/ pebbles doesn't it?

MoominMammasHandbag Mon 14-Oct-13 19:50:28

Surely no one Welsh would call their child Gelert? It would be like calling them Rover or something!

LadyRochford Tue 15-Oct-13 15:35:06

That story always used to make me cry...actually prob still would!

Meurig
Eurig
Gwyn

Arthwr Thu 10-Apr-14 16:17:37

Artorix (bear+king) > Arthur
Artoviros (bear+man) > Arthwr

Arthwr Thu 10-Apr-14 16:29:02

Berth
Berthwyn
Cadarn
Cadog
Delwyn
Madog
Nerth

thegreylady Fri 11-Apr-14 22:38:02

I thought Idris was the Welsh for Arthur isn't Cader Idris a reference to King Arthur?

selsigfach Sat 12-Apr-14 22:25:55

Cader means chair.
Ioan?
Osian?
I love Idris but my husband won't let me use it because "the mechanic will think we've named our baby after him". Nutter!

selsigfach Sat 12-Apr-14 22:28:39

Cader should be Cadair!

smartypants1000 Wed 16-Apr-14 21:33:25

Welsh version definitely Arthur (spelt the same but with Welsh U sound, which sounds like ugh).

Welsh boys' names I like:

Llewelyn (nn Llew)
Ifor
Alun
Sion (v common in Wales though)
Ifan
Dewi
Guto (with a ^ over the u)

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