Oh wise Mumsnetter's please help settle this argument- Beau.

(106 Posts)
PirateJelly Mon 30-Sep-13 18:05:34

A friend has recently name her gorgeous newborn DD Ava-Beau, all as one name like Ellie-May. Now she is adamant it is pronounced Ava 'Bew' like the start of ' beautiful'

Now I am sure Beau is pronounced bow

For the sake of my sanity please tell me who is correct?
It wouldn't be so bad if it was just her (and I would never get into an argument with her about it, as I know how sensitive she will be right now) but a mutual friend of mine text me the name when she was born and then when I saw her I said "oh so she's called her Ava Bow?" And was told don't be daft that's a stupid name, it's definitely Ava Bow hmm and to stop taking the piss out of our friends DD's name confused. I was going to argue that that is how most people will read it but wanted to be sure first incase I'm wrong.

Thanks smile

misdee Mon 30-Sep-13 18:08:16

I would've said Bow/Bo

DoItTooJulia Mon 30-Sep-13 18:08:51

You're right. And I thought for girls it was Bo. Beau is a boys name.


ShatnersBassoon Mon 30-Sep-13 18:10:12

It rhymes with know, and it's a boy's name. It's the male equivalent of Belle I suppose.

MrsWolowitz Mon 30-Sep-13 18:11:45

My friend has a Beau.

It is pronounced Bow.

PrincessRomy Mon 30-Sep-13 18:12:27

Yes I would have thought 'bo' and also think that sounds better than 'bew' (is she meaning to pronounce it 'bew' or 'boo')?

bundaberg Mon 30-Sep-13 18:12:30

you are right, it's pronounced bo

bundaberg Mon 30-Sep-13 18:13:00

and it's a boys name isn't it?

D0G Mon 30-Sep-13 18:13:36

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

PrincessFlirtyPants Mon 30-Sep-13 18:16:40

You are correct in your pronunciation, OP.

I agree with PP's that's a boys name.

DiaryofaHollandParkParent Mon 30-Sep-13 18:16:43

Beau as in French so "Bo". Only heard as a boys name - Beauregard (US) or Beau Brummell?

comedaygoday Mon 30-Sep-13 18:16:45

I would pronounce it bow too and the only Beau I know is pronounced bow. I also think it's a boy's name though (unhelpful).

lottiegarbanzo Mon 30-Sep-13 18:18:18

Yes, surely il est beau, elle est belle? So it's masculine, as well as mispronounced.

Bew, rhyming with view, sounds like ewww and seems a very odd name to choose. I can't easily think of anything like it that would be a girl's name.

dated a Beau in high school (guy), and it was pronounced "Bow"

MyNameIsAnAnagram Mon 30-Sep-13 18:20:13

Yup Beau (bo) is the masculine version of Belle.

PirateJelly Mon 30-Sep-13 18:22:39

Thanks for the quick replies. She has posted it on facebook and I've just noticed a couple of replies have said " do you mean Boo or Bow? And isn't that a boys name?" To which my friend and a few other have angrily replied it's pronounced "It's Beau like Beautiful you idiots!" Oh dear.

Hopefully she'll just drop the Beau part for every day and call her Ava grin

I would like to add that this is the same friend who insisted on calling my DS Lewis for the best part of a year and still slips up occasionally angry it's Louis not Lewis. I think she should have steered clear of French names altogether tbh!

DiaryofaHollandParkParent Mon 30-Sep-13 18:23:41

Maybe it is meant to be a pronunciation so posh that only certain in the know pronounce it correctly like Beaulieu (bewly?)

lottiegarbanzo Mon 30-Sep-13 18:27:06

Oh dear. Ava-Belle would sound ok.

VBisme Mon 30-Sep-13 18:27:54

I thought it was Bo, and male.

IslaValargeone Mon 30-Sep-13 18:33:17

I was going to suggest the Beaulieu (bewley) pronounciation.

MrsSchadenfreude Mon 30-Sep-13 18:33:50

Bow, definitely. And Beau is masculine!

IslaValargeone Mon 30-Sep-13 18:34:57

Although I'd say Bow myself, not being from posh stock and all that.

BackforGood Mon 30-Sep-13 18:46:41

Agree with everyone else - it's said "bow" and it's masculine. 'Belle' is the french feminine for beautiful

PirateJelly Mon 30-Sep-13 18:47:45

hollandpark and Isla without sounding a cow- trust me she is not posh. I'm not sure where this new name has come from and I never heard her mention it pre birth when we were discussing names she liked but tbh she kept her last dc's name a secret too so that no one would steal it hmm

I keep saying it over and over and it just doesn't seem to go at all but within our friendship group it would appear I am in the minority and everyone else appears to love it. Glad I'm not the only one who thinks it doesn't exactly roll off tongue.

IslaValargeone Mon 30-Sep-13 18:50:23

Aye well, there you have it Pirate, your friends 'appear to love it' trust me, behind closed doors they are having the same conversation as you are having here. grin

DiaryofaHollandParkParent Mon 30-Sep-13 18:57:35

Well if they are happy with the name - leave it be. I was speaking to a colleague recently who had given her child an Irish name but pronounced it totally wrong - similar to nee-am for Niamh (Neve); she was very pleased with her choice. I did say that in Ireland they pronounce it like xxxx, but didn't tell her it was wrong. Up to her I guess.

PirateJelly Mon 30-Sep-13 18:58:30

There has been a surge of corkers recently with my fb friends, not that I'm one to judge ofcourse grin But I definitely feel a new shift of style in baby names with people I know smile

JimmyCorkhill Mon 30-Sep-13 18:58:41

Ha ha - Isla is correct! I have 'loved' every baby name I've heard, in public. I think I've only truly liked one in the last 3 years grin.

WinteronPluto Mon 30-Sep-13 20:56:53

I agree - Bow and it's masculine.

Tattiesthroughthebree Mon 30-Sep-13 21:15:28

I know a Beau. His name is pronounced Bow.

Choccyhobnob Tue 01-Oct-13 09:30:51

Oh that would totally make me cringe if that were my friend!!

Handbagsonnhold Tue 01-Oct-13 09:36:43

Our neighbours have a horse called Beau and definately pronounce it 'Bow' very cringey the whole Bew thing ......little baby Ava 'Ferris' Beuler perhaps!!!!

AugustRose Tue 01-Oct-13 09:37:59

I know two children with the name Beau (both pronounced Bow - I would never say Bew), one is a girl and one is a boy.

Parmarella Tue 01-Oct-13 09:39:44

you cannot call a girl Beau, FFS, who are these nutters? It is like calling your girl Herman or Pablo or Hans.

HighJinx Tue 01-Oct-13 09:41:23

Definitely Bow to rhyme with low and not bew to rhyme with spew.

SkodaLabia Tue 01-Oct-13 09:43:09

Oh dear, the daft bat. I wonder when she'll give in. grin

thecockyfoxreturns Tue 01-Oct-13 09:43:12

It is Bow and definitely a boys name.

That being said I would actually like it as a whole Ava-Beau for a girl if it wasn't pronounced bew.

Parmarella Tue 01-Oct-13 09:44:47

I can see a future where people will say:

" This is my little girl called Hermoso, it is pronounced Her-Mee-sho, so annoying that everyone gets it wrong"
"I know what you mean, my daughter is called Feo , and we want it pronounced with the Spanish "TH" sound, like The-oth, but people just don't get it!"
" they are just so ignorant"

MissSmiley Tue 01-Oct-13 09:44:49

Is she pronouncing Ava as in waver or Ava as in arver?

BillyGoatintheBuff Tue 01-Oct-13 09:45:22

I'm I crackers or do you say Be-u-tiful anyway? That's how I pronounce it anyway, not bew-tiful.

I know of a couple who called their daughter Connie-Beau. I just hope the poor child never goes to live in a French speaking country.

SoupDragon Tue 01-Oct-13 09:48:23

Beau is bow.
Beautiful is Bew-tiful.

But you can't correct someone when they have already named their child.

BopsX3 Tue 01-Oct-13 09:52:46

I know 2 people with little girls that have this name. One is Beau (pronounced bow) and the other is Beauley (pronounced Bewley)

WantToMakeTheBestDecionForEver Tue 01-Oct-13 10:07:16

i know an australian named Beau (very pretty blonde girl) and just thought, 'oh that's how they do it over there, no gender'.

I agree with what others have said about the pronunciation (Bo) and that it is the male spelling. However, I just had a look at the ONS statistics and there were 302 girls named Beau in 2012 and 341 boys so it is much more popular for girls than I'd assumed. There were also a few hyphenated names like Daisy-Beau and Lilly-Beau.

squoosh Tue 01-Oct-13 11:30:56


squoosh Tue 01-Oct-13 11:36:24

I completely agree with only saying nice things about a baby's name but when someone is pronouncing their child's name so wildly incorrectly you just need to say something.

HavantGuard Tue 01-Oct-13 13:02:25

Poor child.

PirateJelly Tue 01-Oct-13 13:19:18

Oh god it gets worse. I was discussing this earlier with my friends cousin. Apparently the name originally was going to Ava Beau-Tee as in Ava Beauty but her DP vitoed it saying it was silly, so they settled on Ava-Beau. Although apparently my friend is still considering using this name and is nagging her dp in letting her add it to the birth certificate!

I said to her cousin you know if she does that her DD's name will be pronounced Ava Bow Tee which looks remarkably like Ave a bow tie.

And I thought she was pronouncing Ava - A-vah but her cousin rekons it Av-er so Av-er Bew and it's quite exotic! The mind boggles confused

WantToMakeTheBestDecionForEver Tue 01-Oct-13 13:23:19

The poor baby needs a lawyer.

squoosh Tue 01-Oct-13 13:28:02

Baby needs witness protection programme with a nice sensible name like Jane.

PirateJelly Tue 01-Oct-13 13:37:08

Sorry just had to clear this up. Spoke to friend in question, as going to visit for first time tomorrow and she assured member cousin had got the wrong end of the stick regarding the Beau- Tee bit and that was a joke. Thank god for that. But she did say her DD's name and it is definitely pronounced Ave-a Bew and is to be pronounced all one name. I guess its different, it's actually growing on me blush

squoosh Tue 01-Oct-13 13:38:45

'ave a brew me old china.

Distrustinggirlnow Tue 01-Oct-13 13:46:15

^ exactly this ^ brew

We once had a pony called beau - bow ( gelding)

NadiaWadia Tue 01-Oct-13 14:43:33

Your friend (baby's mother) is an idiot.

SkodaLabia Tue 01-Oct-13 15:23:31

The poor child will realise her mum has gone yooniq with the her name once she is at school and people start reading out her name aloud. Oh dear.

AbiRoad Tue 01-Oct-13 15:55:17

Depsite my dislike of hyphenated names, Ava-Belle is ok, Ava-Bo is ok. Ava-beu (whether you spell it bew, beu or (incorrectly) beau) is just a horrible sound. it sounds with ewwwww and phewww. Worth mentioning that she might become Ava-smell in the playground?

Mintyy Tue 01-Oct-13 15:57:47

Ava-Bew? She's ava-ing a larf!

I'm not prepared to believe for one second that this is real grin.

picnicbasketcase Tue 01-Oct-13 16:01:48

Beau is pronounced bow. As in what you put on a nicely wrapped present.
Pronouncing it Bew sounds mad and will make her parents look quite clueless. But there you go, such is life.

PirateJelly Tue 01-Oct-13 16:28:30

Minty I wish it was a joke but I swear it's true. I wish I could tell you her DS's name as well but fear putting both unusual names on a thread would out me if she ever googles her dc's names. But it's a really common name hyphenated with a ridiculously upper class unusual one. That rose a few eyebrows upon announcing as well. I know she thinks she's being tres unique but I feel sorry for her dc.

WantToMakeTheBestDecionForEver Tue 01-Oct-13 16:42:35

This is why people should be edumacated. Ava as 'Aver' will just make them all look stupid.

SkodaLabia Tue 01-Oct-13 16:43:59

Ooh, is it Jack-Tarquin? JT for short?

squoosh Tue 01-Oct-13 16:45:20


BigPawsBrown Tue 01-Oct-13 16:51:30

"Bow" is not helpful - it can be pronounced "bo" like a bow in a girl's hair or "bow" as in "bow down"!

PirateJelly Tue 01-Oct-13 17:06:42

No it's more McKenzie- Ptolemy. A complete mouthful which just doesn't flow. She is lovely hut I can't help but question her sanity when it comes to naming her dc. When we were discussing baby names before her DD was born she said she wanted Harper-Bella which I also thought was awful but she loved. I'm not sure which is worse tbh. Don't get me wrong they're nice names in their own right, it's just together they sound such a mouthful and it wouldn't be so bad if she just had them as normal middle names which are rarely repeated but no she has to insist upon hyphenating them together so it's all one jumbled mouthful hmm

CocktailQueen Tue 01-Oct-13 17:09:46

Ava-Bew - that's like saying 'have a pew', isn't it? Insane and just plain wrong. her dd will not thank her for it.

sunshinenanny Tue 01-Oct-13 17:18:50

Poor Child!

AbiRoad Tue 01-Oct-13 17:28:36

So, with her son now he is a bit older does she use the full hypenated name? Do other people?

PirateJelly Tue 01-Oct-13 17:49:23

Good question- in all honesty no she doesn't, he has a nickname that's nothing to do with either name just to add further confusion to the matter, which she and he himself uses. But on facebook she'll say his full name if she refers to him in a status and underneath photos of him. As I said earlier though other people do seem to like her name choices. I suppose it's individual taste at the end of the day.

LittleBearPad Tue 01-Oct-13 18:17:39

Poor little girl.

At least she can bin the beau when she grows up.

She's a total numpty isn't she?

ch1134 Tue 01-Oct-13 22:41:56

Oh dear, I wonder if she will change it? Clearly, as others have said, Beau is a boys name, pronounced 'bo'. Our word beautiful does come from this, but beau is the masculine and belle the feminine. Let's hope she drops the 'Beau' and sticks to Ava.

NadiaWadia Tue 01-Oct-13 22:52:37

Ava is pronounced 'Ay-va' like the letter 'A' (long 'A'). To rhyme with 'raver' and 'waiver'. Do you really mean she is pronouncing it like 'Avva' (short 'a')? Combined with 'Beau' (masculine) pronounced 'bew' and the dreaded hyphen she has saddled the poor child with a ridiculous name that people will misunderstand throughout her life. Maybe someone should say something, or is the birth already registered?

I expect registrars really have to bite their lips sometimes, I imagine they are not allowed to comment on parents' name choices.

LillyNotOfTheValley Tue 01-Oct-13 22:56:49

Yep. It is "bow" and is a very weird deep south boy name Ava is great though she might avoid saying both names in NOLA as it will sound like "I have a beau, aka fiance"

PirateJelly Wed 02-Oct-13 13:21:02

Hello all, just wanted to update smile

I'm just back from visiting friends newborn DD and she is so scrummy that my broody meter has reached the ceiling, anyway there has been some progress during my visit.

I notices my friend seemed to avoid using her DD's name and kept referring to her as 'she' and 'the baby'. Eventually she calls to her DP in the kitchen "Pete will you get Av-er Bews bottle please?" To which her DP shouts back sarcastically "Yes I'll get A-vah's bottle love" grin I shifted uncomfortably and wasn't sure what to say.

Friends whispers "can I ask your advice Pirate please? I know you' re always honest with me, what do you think of her name? I've had nothing but people taking the piss and my mum says the baby will have a life time of explaining her name and won't thank me for it"

So I say. "You really want my honest opinion?" ( friend nods) "Well I really like the name Ava and most people will pronounce it A-va not Av-er. Also Beau is pronounced Bo like you have on a present, so do you like A-va Bo, because that's how most people will say it"

Friend takes this well and says that's what her dp,mum, grandma, mil and a few others have said but she's still unsure as a mutual friend, neighbour and few friends have agreed with her version. I asked what the registrer had said when she went to get the birth certificate but she said she hadn't been yet as she was unsure of the name. I actually let out a large sigh of relief blush which friend and DP both noticed, exchanged looks and then asked " so you think we should change it?"

I said it was upto them but if they weren't happy maybe it was for the best and explained how I'd never been 100% happy with DS's name and sometimes wish I'd changed it. The cheeky cow then had the audacity to say "yeah it is unusual and not something id go for" angry I mean seriously the cheek of it and I really had to bite my tongue given her ridiculous names!

She then says well other options are Trinity-Porcha (sp?) and Harper-Bella. I actually rolled my eyes and asked about leaving the hyphen out put apparently that's a absolute no go. Her DP then piped up " I don't know why we can just have Olivia, I love Olivia!"

Anyway I left them to it as I had to pick DS up at 12. She text me 10 mins ago saying her and DP had come up with a new name and that's it a million times better than Ava-Beau and she'll tell me soon but she wants to run it past her dm first but I can look forward to receiving the new name in a group email shortly along with photos. Oh joy! wink

Ofcourse dear Mumsnetters I will let you share in the joy once I hear it. I'm just hoping it's something simple and normal like Olivia-Rose or even better simple Olivia although I doubt it grin

SoupDragon Wed 02-Oct-13 13:24:21

Interesting development!

The thing is - there's nothing much wrong with Ava-Beau pronounced Ay-va Bo. Preferably without the hyphen IMO. However, I can't wait to hear the new name!

squoosh Wed 02-Oct-13 13:25:21

Her husband sounds like a sensible man!

picnicbasketcase Wed 02-Oct-13 14:37:13

Fingers crossed that the husband has talked her into something a bit nicer

bundaberg Wed 02-Oct-13 14:42:33

Harper-Bella sounds like a form of food poisoning

I actually like both names separately. But together they just don't really go

Beau isn't for a girl though! So Ava-beau is stupid even pronounced correctly. Trinity-Portia and Harper-Bella are also shit, but not as bad as arver-bew.

SoupDragon Wed 02-Oct-13 17:15:54

Beau isn't for a girl though!

There are plenty of boys names used for girls though and Beau is one that can easily make the transition to fens le. Unlike something like Gary.

PirateJelly Wed 02-Oct-13 17:24:53

Well the new name has been revealed.

Drum roll please........


I actually said aloud thank fuck for that upon reading the email grin Still wish she'd get rid of the bloody, stupid - though.

I think here DP must have made her see sense in the end. Now bare in mind I've only seen this name written down and not heard her actually say it out loud grin but fingers crossed there's no stupid ways she can ruin it by pronouncing it wrong!

Thanks for all your input smile

bundaberg Wed 02-Oct-13 17:29:40

oh i like that smile

Fifi2406 Wed 02-Oct-13 17:32:57

I would say bow but I would also say Beau was a boys name!

Well I hate the hyphen but that's just me. Both names are nice and normal and hopefully the Grace will get dropped soonish.

SoupDragon Wed 02-Oct-13 17:33:58

fingers crossed there's no stupid ways she can ruin it by pronouncing it wrong!

I bet there are grin Much nicer name.

squoosh Wed 02-Oct-13 17:37:17

Phew and Hurrah for Olivia-Grace. That baby just dodged a bullet!

(presuming she hasn't decided to pronounce Grace as Grakky)

SoupDragon Wed 02-Oct-13 17:40:19

And, perhaps, Oh LIVE ya

NadiaWadia Wed 02-Oct-13 17:45:54

Well that's nice. Pity about the hyphen, though. Does that mean she will be referred to as Olivia-Grace all the time (a bit of a mouthful), instead of just Olivia?

I always wonder about hyphens in names, does it cause problems when filling in forms (especially online) etc? I would have thought it might.

SoupDragon Wed 02-Oct-13 17:59:45

I always wonder about hyphens in names, does it cause problems when filling in forms (especially online) etc? I would have thought it might.

Not usually. Very rarely is there a form that doesn't let me put my hyphen in.

picnicbasketcase Wed 02-Oct-13 18:27:16

I don't like hyphens myself, but Olivia and Grace are both lovely names smile

PirateJelly Wed 02-Oct-13 20:05:35

Yes the idea is she will be called Olivia-Grace at all times, although knowing my friend and if what she calls her DS is anything to go by she'll probably end up calling her DD Polly or something which has no baring on her actual name hmm

I can't help but think it's alot of fuss and attention seeking on her part tbh. She's duly updated her facebook though so hopefully this new name is now set in stone. She made me laugh on one of her comments though she said half the reason she changed it was because her 4 year old DS just couldn't get his head around the name Av-er Bew and kept calling his little sister 'baby Avenue' grin

She already talking of planning another baby confused I think I might have to emigrate before that ones born wink

ilovemybum Thu 03-Oct-13 00:56:45

I would of prounouned it bow. My friend has a DS named Beau. Masculine name.

Milkjug Thu 03-Oct-13 10:17:51

I think a certain kind of mother thinks her baby girl isn't enough of a girl unless her name has a hyphen, as if it makes everything frillier. It's not to my taste, I must say. I think it's the naming equivalent of sticking those big bows on your bald baby girl's head, in case someone fails to grasp her sex...

SoupDragon Thu 03-Oct-13 11:28:01

Or the parents just like the name hyphenated. hmm

Handbagsonnhold Thu 03-Oct-13 11:38:04

Oh Pirate you have given us all a giggle.....horrified to see she had Trinity on her list though as I fancied that 'Trinny' of course.....but it's put me off. I always have a little titter to myself when I hear the hyphenated Christian names being called at the park....so odd to myself who shortens everything! Glad your cringing has come to an end and baby Ferris Beaulea has a half decent name.....well if they only use either half.....fingers crossed! X

curlew Thu 03-Oct-13 11:42:08

It's roughly Bow.

But it's not a name.

Handbagsonnhold Thu 03-Oct-13 12:31:25

All in true Walton Mountain stylie 'g nite Jon-boy...... g'nite jim-bob......g'nite Ava Bew ......love it wink

Beau to rhyme with spew? My word.

Yep, should be Bow.

Must RTFT.
Big sigh of relief.

MissStrawberry Thu 03-Oct-13 12:47:04

Olivia is beautiful wink.

Grace is lovely too.

No need for the hyphen. Just makes it really long and precious.

OP, good friend you were there as it can't have been easy to tell the truth. Next time she slags off your son's name you really need to pull her up on it though.

pindorasbox Thu 03-Oct-13 13:18:03

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thegreylady Thu 03-Oct-13 22:02:36

The only Beau I know is definitely a boy.Surely a girl would be Belle-the French for beautiful smile

When I read the title I read it as bew but I am the only person that read it like that from the looks of it. This has been an education! Lovely new name though even with the hyphen. MIL once told me about someone she met whose name was something like La-a pronounced ladasha!

I thoroughly enjoyed reading this thread! I don't normally bother when there are quite a few pages. I let out a huge sigh of relief when you revealed the new name!

Aver-Bew... that was a close one!!!

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