Tyler for boy

(244 Posts)
babynelly2010 Thu 29-Aug-13 15:39:24

What does everyone think of it?
I like the name but never met anyone with it.

xJadex Thu 29-Aug-13 15:42:58

Please, please watch Katie Hopkins on this morning talking about childrens names, you may change your mind about tyler lol ;-)

Thesimplethings Thu 29-Aug-13 15:47:32

I have a Tyler, suits him down to the ground. I don't get the prejudice about the name

lilibet Thu 29-Aug-13 15:47:40

No, sorry but please do not do this. Rightly or wrongly people will judge and label you and your son.

Thesimplethings Thu 29-Aug-13 15:49:02

But what label? hmm

testedpatience Thu 29-Aug-13 15:51:28

I like it and dont understand all of this hype and prejudice over names.

I certainly wouldnt raise an eyebrow at it but then again one of mines a Riley which seems to produce the image of a young, fag smoking whilst pushing buggy, screeching mothergrin

My 14 ds1 is Tyler <shrugs>

babynelly2010 Thu 29-Aug-13 16:08:01

I watched that woman is so wrong. You can have tyler and Alexander from one family .... Wow she is something.

pinkpeoniesplease Thu 29-Aug-13 17:43:30

Katie Hopkins.

sleepingbeautiful Thu 29-Aug-13 22:18:12

I'm working in Canada at the moment and this name came up recently as a Chinese colleague wants to pick a Western and a Chinese name for his DC, and had Tyler on his possible list. The Canadian-born colleagues immediately reacted that he shouldn't pick it as it is a bit 'trailer trash'... I don't know if it has the same perception in all of North America though, or back in Britain, as I've never met one back home.

Writerwannabe83 Thu 29-Aug-13 22:24:54

I've never though of Tyler as being a chavvy or a trashy name, I really like it smile

usualsuspect Thu 29-Aug-13 22:25:45

I love the name Tyler.

blueshoes Thu 29-Aug-13 23:22:03


looki Thu 29-Aug-13 23:31:25

I'm NOT a fan of KH but this name has now become one which is now associated with Chantelle.....

AnyoneButLulu Thu 29-Aug-13 23:36:59

It's not generally associated with the higher socio-economic classifications. Entirely up to you whether you give a fig about that.

I like Tyler but prefer Taylor but that's more unisex confused I love the nickname Ty too.

TobyLerone Thu 29-Aug-13 23:50:17

I wouldn't call a child 'Tyler' any more than I would call him 'Plumber' or 'Mechanic'.

bellabelly Thu 29-Aug-13 23:52:46

Nooooooo!!!! Don't do it.

mikkii Thu 29-Aug-13 23:54:50

I know one. His name suits him.

Sorry, I'm too middle class for it.

MyThumbsHaveGoneWeird Fri 30-Aug-13 00:01:23

No. Doesn't pass the go anywhere test for me.

DaleyBump Fri 30-Aug-13 00:09:32

I think it sounds quite common but that's because I know so many 0-4 year old Tylers that it's getting a bit old.

BlueStarsAtNight Fri 30-Aug-13 07:58:13

I really hate it. I don't like to agree with Katie Hopkins on anything but to me I'm afraid it does sound common and dare I say it chavvy!

lljkk Fri 30-Aug-13 08:30:19

I can think of loads, age 5 to 40. it's an ordinary name to me.
The list of famous Tylers includes Olympic athletes, a gay rights activist, quite a few performers and other athletes, and "the highest paid man in entertainment".

Sanjifair Fri 30-Aug-13 08:53:49

The only Tyler I know is a very senior executive in a global business. Doesn't really fit the stereotype discussed here...

The "go anywhere" test?

What on earth is that?

Surely people can go anywhere regardless of whether you like their name or not?

pilates Fri 30-Aug-13 09:05:16

No sorry not for me but if you love it go for it.

MrsDeVere Fri 30-Aug-13 09:08:24

Hilarious that people are advising you not to do something because Katie Hopkins says so.

What's next? 'don't buy broccoli because Jordan says its rank'

Grow up people and get your own opinions.

OP, if you like the name use it. You don't need to know what anyone else thinks, let alone people you have never met.

5madthings Fri 30-Aug-13 09:08:39

its a name that i neither like nor dislike. a.bit like johnathon or many other names it doesnt make me think 'ooh i like that' but i dont dislike it either.

i know a few tylers, all older children/teens. i havent heard any little ones called it recently.

Tea1Sugar Fri 30-Aug-13 09:18:23

Hate it. Sorry.

blueshoes Fri 30-Aug-13 10:24:29

lljkk, I believe the list you linked to are Americans named Tyler.

I have sure it is perfectly fine in the US but importing those names into the UK brings with it certain connotations that appeal to only certain sections of UK society. Which partly explains the stereotype associated with that name.

TobyLerone Fri 30-Aug-13 13:11:46

And sometimes the connotations are completely the opposite. Tyler might be a 'posh' name in the US. And I was surprised to learn that Tristan is a trailer trash name in the US.

MrsBucketxx Fri 30-Aug-13 13:14:31

I have a very chavvy cousin with that name. Says it all really

My advice would be don't I'd hate my dc to have that sort of connotations to a name

burberryqueen Fri 30-Aug-13 13:16:28

it's a surname. end of.

erm no it doesnt actually "say it all really" MrsBucketxx

It says that you know one person with that name that you think is "chavvy"

Not that everyone with that name is

Rhubarbgarden Fri 30-Aug-13 14:05:52

Not my cup of tea.

MrsDeVere Fri 30-Aug-13 15:40:41


littlemog Fri 30-Aug-13 15:42:25

Tyler is a horrible name,

Dear god almighty this is why I stay out of this topic.

You do realise these are people's actual names don't you?

If you like a name, use it. If not, don't.

Posting what a horrible name it is....what's the point?

You can't just say "I wouldn't choose that name"
Nope. It has to be chavvy and horrible and common.

MrsDeVere Fri 30-Aug-13 15:52:45

I have no idea why they do it trantrums
They wouldn't dream of being so rude about a name they didn't like if they didn't deem it 'common'.

I think its a bit of an outlet for women who consider themselves too well bought up to be so rude about anything else/in real life.

So they come on the internet and let it all out about Tyler and Jayden and Libby-Mae.

I also think its terribly sad for them that they would allow the opinions of the likes of KH to influence their name choice.

Imagine being like that! sad

Alisvolatpropiis Fri 30-Aug-13 17:35:22

Not my style but it's a perfectly fine name.

littlemog Fri 30-Aug-13 17:41:30

Hang on! The OP asked what people thought of it. I think it's horrible. I also think many other names are horrible - Olive, Yolanda, Jason, Crispin...I could go on.

littlemog Fri 30-Aug-13 17:42:48

And fwiw I don't see the name as 'common' whatever the heck that means!

HamletsSister Fri 30-Aug-13 17:44:17

Teacher here. Tyler is a naughty boy name!

rubyslippers Fri 30-Aug-13 17:46:32

this is the only name test you should use

do you like it?

yes = use it

no = don't use it

usualsuspect Fri 30-Aug-13 18:24:43

If KH doesn't like it, then definitely use it.

We all know what a stuck up idiot she is.

littlemog Fri 30-Aug-13 18:25:31

Oh Hamlet. You will be flamed for that remark.....! I too am a teacher but you will be told off for being prejudiced against non middle class names.

MrsDeVere Fri 30-Aug-13 18:38:36

Do you think teachers should make up their minds about children based on their names then little?


I do hope neither of you work in East London. I don't want my children being taught by such narrow minded people.

littlemog Fri 30-Aug-13 19:57:47

Do you think teachers should make up their minds about children based on their names then little?

Where on earth did I say that?! I was merely informing Hamlet that she was about to be flamed for her remark which (predictably enough) you have just done. I know this happens because it happened recently on another name thread where another teacher (not me btw before you clutch your pearls) said that she would sit a child with a particular name at the front of the class! The phrase I used was from that thread.

People DO judge on names like it or not and Hamlet and others have demonstrated this.

I do hope neither of you work in East London. I don't want my children being taught by such narrow minded people

Thanks for that uncalled for remark. Luckily I teach in a beautiful independent school in a very beautiful part of the country (ie not East London) so your precious darlings will never meet me. Can't say the same for Hamlet however....wink

toobreathless Fri 30-Aug-13 20:06:24

Well I wouldn't use it (but my surname is Taylor grin )

Would I judge a child with it? No.

Tyler is a naughty boy name?

Thank god you don't teach at my ds1 school.

He is president of the student council, a peer mentor, part of the gifted and talented program, and predicted As across the board in year 11.

But hey...he's called Tyler. He must be naughty.

Are you actually reading the utter drivel you are writing?

Oh and "a beautiful part of the country. Ie not East london" says a lot about your attitude.
In fact, all of these comments about "naughty" names says an awful lot about the people writing them.

MrsDeVere Fri 30-Aug-13 20:31:22

littlemog are you sure you are a teacher?

She said this 'Tyler is a naughty boy name!'

How is that NOT judging based on a name?

As for you, your post just proves everything I thought about you.

Kikibee Fri 30-Aug-13 20:34:16

Absolutely horrible name, most usually found in the local sink estate, sorry

MrsDeVere Fri 30-Aug-13 20:34:55


Sink estate?

What the actual fuck is wrong with you people? Seriously?

You assume everything about someone based on a name?

How familiar are you with sink estates love?

Sink estate?

What the actual fuck is wrong with you people? Seriously?

You assume everything about someone based on a name?

How familiar are you with sink estates love?

Kikibee Fri 30-Aug-13 20:40:50

Very thanks, love. I have given my opinion, it is an awful name and as said before, associated with the sink estate residents, where once pin a time I resided before clawing myself out of said environment smile

MrsDeVere Fri 30-Aug-13 20:41:41

Self loathing.
That explains it smile

Kikibee Fri 30-Aug-13 20:43:37


everlong Fri 30-Aug-13 20:46:36

Kikibee. That's really pretty horrible.

Tantrums has already said her son is Tyler hmm

everlong Fri 30-Aug-13 20:47:32

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TobyLerone Fri 30-Aug-13 20:49:25

Pretty much the first time I've ever agreed with a personal attack on here.

DancesWithWoolEnPointe Fri 30-Aug-13 20:49:52

Excellent Friday night entertainment breaking loose I see!

If you want my opinion, although why I don't know, I like the name Tyler.

Kikibee Fri 30-Aug-13 20:49:56

Sorry didn't read the whole thread, was just asked my opinion and gave my answer, however, calling me names just shows your iq level

everlong Fri 30-Aug-13 20:53:03

Whether you read the thread or not it doesn't excuse your remark imo.

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lljkk Fri 30-Aug-13 21:00:00

Let's face it, 99% of Americans are trailor trash chavs according to MN (sigh).
About 85% of Brits fit the Chav category, too, mind. In the minds of some, anyway.

HamletsSister Fri 30-Aug-13 21:01:00

Not prejudiced. Only ever met one Tyler. Absolutely charming, cheeky, naughty boy. Loved teaching him. What I did NOT say was fucking nightmare, common or anything else. I responded, as others have, based on my experience. (FWIW naughty is endearing, NOT a problem)

My response was tongue in cheek, in the full knowledge it would create the usual ranting, silly responses.

No longer teaching in London. Am lucky enough to teach Tyler and his mates in NW Scotland.

Although I do think, given that people DO judge based on names, it is something worth considering. I had always wanted an Edmund (nn Ned) until I moved here - bit like calling him Chav in England!

everlong Fri 30-Aug-13 21:03:04

Take no notice tantrum.

Probably not that easy I know.

MoominMammasHandbag Fri 30-Aug-13 21:03:11

Tyler was my first choice for DS now 19. Pretty much as an homage to Wat Tyler, leader of the Peasants Revolt. I remember I was also very keen on Dylan, being a big fan of Bob. DP talked me out of both in favour of one of those slightly bland safe names that a member of the Royal family might use. I am still quite regretful.

MrsDeVere Fri 30-Aug-13 21:05:48

A naughty boy name!
Based on one child who has now apparently morphed into an utter delight since you last posted.
Because it was all in good fun and tongue in cheek and not just bloody rude.

DancesWithWoolEnPointe Fri 30-Aug-13 21:08:12

But Hamlet is people judging on name a given? I don't. Lots of other people on this thread don't.

HamletsSister Fri 30-Aug-13 21:10:05

Naughty does not mean EVIL. It means a bit of a pain but made me smile. At least that is what it means in my staff room. Fucking nightmare....now that's a whole other thread.

And I have been on these threads for years MrsDV and knew exactly what the responses would be.

Also, if someone asks for an opinion (and we were asked) how is it rude to offer one?

HamletsSister Fri 30-Aug-13 21:11:47

Nor do I. 'twas tongue in cheek. If I did judge on names then my worst ever nightmare was a Matthew, closely followed by a Melissa. So M names would be out ( I am an M myself!)

usualsuspect Fri 30-Aug-13 21:26:47

I see the twats are out in force on this thread.

Alisvolatpropiis Fri 30-Aug-13 21:27:47

I've always imagined Tyler's to be quite clean cut and "preppy" (think it was first introduced to me by American tv).

There are far worse names...Cecil anyone?

usualsuspect Fri 30-Aug-13 21:28:24

If Littlemog is a teacher then I'm the queen of fucking Sheba.

Chibbs Fri 30-Aug-13 21:29:37

i personally hate the name. Think it sounds horrible, and as this thread has gone to show people DO judge on a name

Alisvolatpropiis Fri 30-Aug-13 21:29:53

grin usual

MrsDeVere Fri 30-Aug-13 21:34:08

Saying you don't like a name is an opinion. Saying you wouldn't choose it, you don't like the sound of it or the way it is spelled is not rude.

Of course its rude to make a comment like that when you know a poster's child is called that name.

And professionals labeling children because of their names is disturbing. It happens a lot on MN.

But your's were not the worst posts by any means.

I have no idea why some posters seem to hang about on these boards just so they can say something nasty/ridiculous/bigoted about someone's choice.

It seems an odd thing to do.

MrsDeVere Fri 30-Aug-13 21:36:33

The argument 'like it or not people DO judge on names' is fucking ridiculous.

So stop judging. Problem solved.

Its not the judgee's issue, its yours.

And that goes for Kaeden, Looloo, T'shante, Crispen or Hortense.

If you see a name and then judge you are a twat.

If you see a name and think 'hmm not keen on that' you are a normal person.

everlong Fri 30-Aug-13 21:39:17

Exactly mrsD.

It isn't a name I would pick, I like the more older classic names.

But saying it's chavvy, horrible and belongs on a sink estate is nasty.

usualsuspect Fri 30-Aug-13 21:39:27

It's because they are up themselves,spiteful twats.

I've already been slated on MN today,so in for a penny...

DancesWithWoolEnPointe Fri 30-Aug-13 21:50:00

Not to mention that if you judge people based on their names you will be teaching your children to do it too.

I think you have it spot on usual

Up themselves, spiteful twats is about right.

I never ever post here simply because I know this topic is full if people like this. It's a shame really.

But, like I say, I know my son. And I know it says a lot about people if they judge him by his name.

usualsuspect Fri 30-Aug-13 21:55:10

Baby names is the pits of MN.

I should hide it really.

DancesWithWoolEnPointe Fri 30-Aug-13 21:57:45

Me too - and it comes clogs up Active...

blueshoes Fri 30-Aug-13 21:58:29

Isn't it pertinent to answering the OP's question that enough people view the name Tyler as common? I am not from the UK and that would be a fact I would be very interested to know if that was name I was considering.

MyThumbsHaveGoneWeird Fri 30-Aug-13 22:19:07

Agree with blueshoes. I would want people's honest opinions if I posted a name on here. A polite "whatever you like Hun" is not much use really is it?

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Thesimplethings Fri 30-Aug-13 22:24:54

Ummm I'm middle class and my son is called Tyler. Just because some bint has declared the name chavy doesn't make it so :-/

Judge away by all means!

Writerwannabe83 Fri 30-Aug-13 22:25:35

It might not help that Tyler in Eastenders was engaged to Whitney Dean who is without doubt, the most chavviest soap character to have ever existed!!!

But Tyler himself isn't chavvy - quite cute and cheeky actually smile

miffybun73 Fri 30-Aug-13 22:26:50

Don't do it. Almost any other name is nicer.

How about Daniel, James, Thomas, Matthew, Joseph.

I realise that these names are popular (some might say boring), but they are popular for a reason - lovely names.

usualsuspect Fri 30-Aug-13 22:30:42

I've never spoke to you before,littlemog.I usually just ignore you.

Redlocks30 Fri 30-Aug-13 22:34:46

I had four Tylers in my class last year and two the year before. On that basis, I would say it was getting fairly common round these parts.

littlemog Fri 30-Aug-13 22:36:40

usualsuspect none taken.

littlemog Fri 30-Aug-13 22:37:25

And also usualsuspect that would be 'spoken' not 'spoke'.

Thesimplethings Fri 30-Aug-13 22:39:44

Writer that's exactly what my Tyler is like, full of life, cute, cheeky and a great footballer at only 22 months. No other name would suit.

My ds1 has a traditional name that is not commonly used and suits him too. He's quiet, studious and cautious but at the same time is mischievous.

I believe we picked the right names for our sons personalities.

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littlemog Fri 30-Aug-13 22:53:19

usualsuspect I have no idea what your problem is or why you are being so offensive.

MrsDeVere Fri 30-Aug-13 22:54:52


littlemog Fri 30-Aug-13 22:55:52

LOL? Good Lord.

usualsuspect Fri 30-Aug-13 22:56:56

So is it the spirit of MN to call posters children 'Chavs' ?

Because it wouldn't be accepted on any other topic on here.

But baby names is a bloody free for all.

littlemog Fri 30-Aug-13 22:59:10

Where have I EVER called anyone a chav? It is not even a word I use!

littlemog Fri 30-Aug-13 22:59:52

And I think it's a pretty vile thing to call anyone tbh.

acsec Fri 30-Aug-13 23:01:36

I'm with Tjobes on this. I don't like names that sound like occupations.

MrsDeVere Fri 30-Aug-13 23:04:03

You are so predictable little


thenightsky Fri 30-Aug-13 23:05:12

The only Tyler I know is a pretty blonde very feminine girl of 11 years. I never thought of it as a boy's name at all.

TobyLerone Fri 30-Aug-13 23:16:02

<waves to acsec>

I didn't mean to just choose 'working class' occupations, btw. I also wouldn't call my child 'Stockbroker' or 'Computer Programmer'.

Peachy Fri 30-Aug-13 23:20:40

Only Tyler I know is the son of an affluent local businessman and a very accomplished star in his own sport.

I do hate silly class snobbery, especially when it has such a tenuous basis.

Mind if supposed chav Whitney were my daughter, given what she has been through in the Soap, I'd be quite proud of her.

I have a Sebastian; I presume that fits the MN persona; but I think Tyler is fine.

DancesWithWoolEnPointe Fri 30-Aug-13 23:21:14

It is funny - until you said that I'd never thought of Tyler as Tiler. <takes self to dunce corner>

FreckledLeopard Fri 30-Aug-13 23:27:04

Good god almighty. Why are certain posters so wilfully obtuse to refuse to acknowledge that, like it or not, a person's name is indicative of social class and is a factor that others use to form judgments, rightly or wrongly, about that individual, their background and their possible future?

Everyone, in one way or another, forms judgments about those we meet. If you dress in black and listen to Marilyn Manson then people will assume you are a goth and make a judgment based on that. If you wear a suit and work in the City, people will adjust their ideas and expectations accordingly.

If you call your child Tyler, Jayden or Chardonnay, people will perceive them in a certain light and that light may not be flattering. Call your child Sebastian or Hugo and the perception will alter.

If you truly don't care how your child is perceived then call it what you like. Frankly, I would rather err on the side of caution and call my child a name that I could envisage being used by a High Court Judge, a doctor or a nuclear physicist.

usualsuspect Fri 30-Aug-13 23:31:16

Are you taking the Mick ,with the high court judge thing?

TobyLerone Fri 30-Aug-13 23:35:41

If I thought the name of my child would have affected his ability to be a high court judge, I would have called him Gout or Fat Tory Bastard.

FreckledLeopard Fri 30-Aug-13 23:40:32

Why would I be taking the mick? Fat Tory bastard? Not very original. What about the Labour peer Lord Goldsmith, former deputy high court judge?

usualsuspect Fri 30-Aug-13 23:40:51


usualsuspect Fri 30-Aug-13 23:41:34

Do you think a Colin would ever be a high court judge?

FreckledLeopard Fri 30-Aug-13 23:47:31

I'd suggest Colin would be more likely than Tyler.

TobyLerone Fri 30-Aug-13 23:51:51

I'll add Lord Goldsmith to the list of baby names. Never let it be said that I am politically biased.

everlong Sat 31-Aug-13 07:01:10

But FreckledLeopard if your son is Jayden or your daughter is Chardonnay it's going to sting and hurt you when it's mentioned on MN as a chavvy horrible name that belongs on a sink estate.

It just will.

Of course people will form an opinion. Everyone is allowed one.

I just wish people would think a bit more on how they expressed it.

MrsDeVere Sat 31-Aug-13 07:07:40

Why do posters so willfully ignore that they are the problem not the name?
Why do they insist that it is wrong to call a child a name it will be judged on when what they mean is 'actually its me that would judge your child, ME'

Why are they so sheep-like that they would care what people think, particularly when they can never actually predict what people will think?

Hugo may be acceptable this year but just think what happened to Chelsea.
(And Sydney, Tracey etc)

Anyone who chooses a name based on what the neighbours, the parish council and Mrs Fortesque-Bradly - Featherstone (I don't know who she is but that doesn't seem to matter when you are naming your children) thinks

is a twit.

Perhaps those of us with black partners should stop having children? I mean, they will be judged by people. We have to be realistic about it. Its just irresponsible to produce a black (and even WC!) child.

They will never become High Court Judges. Even if you name them something acceptable hmm

everlong Sat 31-Aug-13 07:21:41


We all have certain types of names that we lean to.

When I named ds1 Oliver 25 years ago I did so just because I liked it. Pure and simple. 3 of my other ds' names are popular. 1 not that much. Oscar being one of them. I chose that because I liked it. But 14 years ago there weren't any Oscars about, not that I knew anyway.

Popular and common is what my children's names are referred too. It's not that bad.

But I do fume and seethe for other posters whose children's names are so hurtfully regarded.

Look at the bigger picture.

DancesWithWoolEnPointe Sat 31-Aug-13 08:12:21

I'm with Mrs DV - why is it not socially acceptable to make assumptions about someone based on their race but is socially acceptable to make assumptions based on their name? What is the difference? Are we really being obtuse or are those of you that genuinely judge people based on their name in need of a rethink?

I don't think it is socially acceptable, and think anyone who does it should be prepared to be challenged. Personal preference in name is absolutely fine, but judgement based on name is abhorrent.

blueshoes Sat 31-Aug-13 08:54:35

You cannot choose your race. You can choose your child's name.

I'm with Dances - even putting aside my own personal opinion (fwiw, I like it, but I usually go for more classical names) it's wrong to judge. If you like a name, go for it. The onus shouldn't be on the parent to stop others judging, it should be on the person judging to stop judging. Tyler can be a high court judge, a nuclear physicist, a banker, a plumber or unemployed. A name alone doesn't decide your future, and giving a name a personality can't work. I have a niece called KynleeMae. I wouldn't choose that name at all, but that doesn't mean she should be judged on it. Whether she achieves or not, becomes a scientist or a hairdresser or anything, her name SHOULD have no impact whatsoever, it's only people who judge that can restrict her.

Ill just let my ds1 know that there's no point taking his GCSE, or A levels or degree then, as he clearly won't have a choice of occupations due to his name.

I have never read such bullshit in my life.

He can't be a doctor or a high court judge because his name is Tyler? Is this for real?

DancesWithWoolEnPointe Sat 31-Aug-13 11:43:57

Blue You realise that your comment now implies that not only does one's name possibly make one superior to another, but so does race, it is just that one is within your control, the other is outside of it?

People should be judged on their actions and behaviour - nothing more, nothing else. To encourage a person to avoid a name based on social snobbery is very 1930s and I for one thought society was a little more advanced than that.

OP - call you kid Tyler is you like it. It is a perfectly nice name.

blueshoes Sat 31-Aug-13 11:58:22

Dances, there is no such implication. I am not saying it is socially acceptable to discriminate on race or name. I am afraid it is what some other people do, like it or not.

blueshoes Sat 31-Aug-13 12:06:15

BTW, as far as I can see, the objections on this thread to Tyler are its association to social class. The only person drawing the connection with race is MrsDV. I don't agree it is a racial discrimination thing.

DancesWithWoolEnPointe Sat 31-Aug-13 12:47:47

I don't think Tyler is a racial thing - I am saying I see no difference to judging someone on their name and judging someone on their race. Yet some people here seem to think the former is socially acceptable.

MrsDeVere Sat 31-Aug-13 13:05:34

Where on earth did I say it was a racial thing? confused

I said that discrimination is wrong. It is generally seen as the problem of those discriminated against.
It is NOT

It is the problem of those who choose to discriminate.

So if you are stupid enough to judge someone based on their name you are an idiot.

Yet people excuse this type of discrimination all the time on MN. It is the parent's fault, they shouldn't have used the name, what do they expect, give them another name, one that 'we' like or 'we' will keep on discriminating.

Do you not realise how utterly ridiculous that is?

As for all this 'people do judge'. It means 'I judge'

And YOU are in control of that judgment.

Chose NOT to be narrow minded and judgmental. Go on, give it a try.

Alisvolatpropiis Sat 31-Aug-13 13:16:21

I've never seen a baby names thread kick off like this before confused

MrsDeVere Sat 31-Aug-13 13:20:00

Lots of them do.

If the name is non-u it will get slated in the most outrageous fashion.

People start whole threads just to slag off names like Tyler.

Weirdly KH is one of the most hated people on MN yet so many seem to share her views.

Badvoc Sat 31-Aug-13 13:24:12

The only Tyler I know is a girl.

Alisvolatpropiis Sat 31-Aug-13 13:30:30

I can see that re outrageous criticism.

It's a bit sad really. People do seen to take a perverse joy in being well...rude. Names like Tyler "chav", names like Persphone "try hard and up yourself".

It's easy enough to say, I'm not a fan/I don't like the sound etc.. There's no need for brutal "honesty".

It is discrimination and it is no different IMHO to someone judging my ds1 because he is mixed race.

But it's ok. It's ok to hear a name and assume that that person is common, chavvy, troubled, comes from a "sink estate" on here. Apparently.

I will always say if you are so narrow minded and shallow that you judge someone based on their name, the place they live, their accent, the clothes they wear, if you are happy to make a split second judgement based on those factors and consider a person somehow beneath you because of these things, it says a lot about you as a person.

And that's a judgement based on your actions, not your name.

blueshoes Sat 31-Aug-13 14:03:20

We don't live in a non-discriminatory utopia. So I will continue to choose a name for my child that does not assume they do.

DancesWithWoolEnPointe Sat 31-Aug-13 14:13:15

Why don't you chose a name you like regardless of society, and teach your kids not to discriminate, try and make the world a better place instead of shrugging your shoulders and being part of the problem?

blueshoes Sat 31-Aug-13 14:26:28

Dances, one does not follow another. The two are not mutually exclusive. My children are not a social experiment.

Tinlegs Sat 31-Aug-13 15:37:00

But surely saying something about a name on an Internet site is not the same as judging IRL? People might be cautious when choosing a name, mindful of its connotations but that doesn't mean they would personally look unfavourably on someone with that name, just that they are aware that is the way the world works.

Take Kevin, for example. Totally ruined as a name by Harry Enfield but the only Kevin's I have known (my generation -40s) were really, really posh. So, if choosing a name, however much I loved Kevin, I might decide against, mindful of its more recent press as being "common".

Tinlegs Sat 31-Aug-13 15:37:24

Kevins - bloody iPad.

everlong Sat 31-Aug-13 15:47:10

I don't think so. People use the Internet aspart of their day to day life.

And as for Kevin it was hardly ruined by HE.. it was dreadful all along!

usualsuspect Sat 31-Aug-13 16:14:47

Kevin was never a 'posh' name grin

And yes,why would your opinion on a name be different on the internet to in RL.

Unless your Just post what you think mnetters want to hear.

Tinlegs Sat 31-Aug-13 16:18:48

We all think things we do not articulate. We all feel things we keep to ourselves. On an anonymous forum our views are often those we might otherwise keep to ourselves. Certainly, I would never openly judge a person based on a name when offering a job or meeting them. (Something that would be shameful and, probably, illegal) However, inside, I might have a tiny thought.....something I would post (because we were asked...) but never say aloud.

everlong Sat 31-Aug-13 16:22:33

But TinLegs there are RL mothers of Tyler's on this thread. People went on to say how chavvy it was, how horrible it was and wouldn't be out of place on a sink estate.

Those are real views.

propertyNIGHTmareBEFOREXMAS Sat 31-Aug-13 16:24:43

I would avoid it, tbh.

Tinlegs Sat 31-Aug-13 16:32:00

But, while they might be views at are upsetting to those who have picked the name, it is not the same, as some have suggested, as racism or prejudice or whatever as we are just anonymous posts, not offering jobs or status or whatever. Still hurtful, I agree..

usualsuspect Sat 31-Aug-13 16:33:04

But saying it's a 'chavvy' 'sink estate' name when someone has posted it's their child's name. Is just as bad as saying it in RL.

TheContrastofWhiteonWhite Sat 31-Aug-13 16:37:07

I am not keen myself. But then I don't really like any surname names. if you do, go for it. I'd probably give a gender specific middle name too since it can be unisex.

Names ending Ler can also not sound great in some accents (also applies to la endings, as I have learned to my cost). Depends where you are in the country and if you care.wink

everlong Sat 31-Aug-13 16:38:45

I see it as being prejudiced actually.

TobyLerone Sat 31-Aug-13 16:46:11

To be fair, everlong, there could be mothers of Kevins on this thread, too.

everlong Sat 31-Aug-13 16:54:08

Ah but what did I say about Kevin Toby?

Not that it was chavvy or belonging on a sink estate. That it was dreadful. Because it is.

usualsuspect Sat 31-Aug-13 16:54:27

I think it's ok to say you don't like a name,or you think it's awful.

I don't think its ok to say it belongs on a sink estate or its chavvy.

Because then it becomes a judgement on the person,not the name.

umbrellahead Sat 31-Aug-13 16:59:37

People class DS's name (Harley) as 'chavvy' and 'common' along with Tyler, but really if you love a name you just have to rise above it. At the end of the day, anyone who judges you or your child on a name is just not worth your effort.

TobyLerone Sat 31-Aug-13 17:01:59

Yes, quite.

It's fine to say a name is horrible. Although sometimes on this board that's not ok either. But it should be.

It's not fine to make unnecessary judgements based upon the name.

But where is the line when you're saying "the only [name] I've ever known was really badly behaved at school/common/ugly/swore like a sailor/whatever."?

everlong Sat 31-Aug-13 17:05:10

No it's right for teachers especially in here to say the worst behaved children they've taught are blah blah blah.


nonameslefttouse Sat 31-Aug-13 17:12:01

I only know one Tyler didn't give it much thought until KH voiced her opinion!

The Tyler I know isn't a chav or from chav parents, they live in a very nice house in a very nice area both have good jobs too.

Each to their own if you like it choose it, I liked an unusal name for dd but changed my mind after she was born, the amount of people that said 'thank god you didn't call her the awful name' I still quite like it and think it would have suited her!

People will always judge based on names or whatever that's just life rightly or wrongly!

everlong Sat 31-Aug-13 17:15:17

There should be a sticky on Baby Names about the use of the word chav.

lljkk Sat 31-Aug-13 17:15:55

All the Tylers I know are White. (Nearly everyone around here is white, I'm as foreign as it gets).

TobyLerone Sat 31-Aug-13 17:19:05

Tbf, MN is the only place I know of where I've heard anyone say that 'chav' is particularly offensive. So maybe people don't realise. In which case, a sticky might be a good idea, despite my general hatred of being told what to do as an adult.

It's not a word I ever use anyway.

MrsDeVere Sat 31-Aug-13 17:25:42

umbrella I have a Harley too.
I think its a fine name.

lljkk Sat 31-Aug-13 17:52:18

What's wrong with Harley, now?? Come to think of it, I know a Tyler with sister called Harleigh; they were both stars in primary, top of the class etc.

5madthings Sat 31-Aug-13 17:55:39

I know a Harley with a sister called grace, lovely family, is it a ,mnet no no as well?

looki Sat 31-Aug-13 18:39:50

I really don't know why people ask for opinions if they don't want to hear them. I understand people with children of that name might not be happy but everyone is entitled to an opinion surely?

everlong Sat 31-Aug-13 18:43:52

But saying that it belongs on a sink estate doesn't have any relevance to the name does it?

MrsDeVere Sat 31-Aug-13 20:09:47

What about on the style and beauty boards?

What do you think of this dress on me?

Oh my fucking Christ you look like a fat bitch in that dress take it off now!!!

Perhaps on the birth announcement board....

Look everyone I have finally had my baby. What do we all think grin

Blood Hell OP, I know everyone thinks their baby is lovely but really, have you thought about getting that squint sorted and those ears pinned back?

No problem really, I mean the OP did ask for opinions.

looki Sat 31-Aug-13 20:21:24

But mainly people ask for opinions because they are unsure, they are not merely looking for affirmation. If they were confident of their choice in the first instance, they wouldn't post. I'm saying this as someone who has recently looked for opinions on my name considerations and I honestly want to hear good (if any) AND bad.

FreckledLeopard Sat 31-Aug-13 20:25:55

Asking for views on something which is a fait accompli and asking for view points on something hypothetical is very different and will elicit different responses.

The OP (who has probably run from this thread in a cold sweat) asked for opinions about a hypothetical situation. She has been provided with a range of views. It's now up to the OP to consider the opinions and either take on board that the name, rightly or wrongly, has certain class connotations, or ignore any views that cast aspersions on the name and call the kid whatever name she likes.

Why, though, if you don't want honest opinions, would you post in the topic in the first place?

mimitwo Sat 31-Aug-13 20:35:15

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

EeTraceyluv Sat 31-Aug-13 20:54:53

We were on holiday this week and my mother was house sitting. When we got back, she was in a terrible state because a boy called Dean had called round for DS. She spluttered and nearly choked at the horror of DS knowing a Dean. Silly cow. <long story>

everlong Sat 31-Aug-13 21:07:32

grin at your mum and Dean. Poor old Dean.

TobyLerone Sat 31-Aug-13 21:25:46

Tyler Durden would be the only thing which might persuade me to use the name.

usualsuspect Sat 31-Aug-13 21:37:39

mmmm Brad Pitt as Tyler Durden.

Oh sorry, did I say that out loud.

flipchart Sat 31-Aug-13 21:42:31

I love it.

Fuck Katie 'I'll say anything if you pay me' Hopkins and her gob of shite.

If it's a name you like go with it.

Why do you care what people on a the net think?

DownstairsMixUp Sat 31-Aug-13 21:47:34

The only people I think down of are the people that judge CHILDREN by their name. Get a grip, fucktards.

FreedomOfTheTess Sat 31-Aug-13 21:48:39

In the US, Tyler has a very different image, it's preppy and white collar.

My cousin (American) is Tyler and he's about to start his freshman year at Columbia, one of the Ivy League colleges, and a world leading university. I hate to think that had he been here, his name could potentially have counted against him, despite the fact he's as close to a perfect student as you can get!

Alisvolatpropiis Sat 31-Aug-13 21:49:22

My dp is a teacher and he's said particular children have put him off ever using particular names for his own children. Because children are people. I've known people who have put me off ever using that particular name.

He's never said "children called this are all chavs/from sinkhole estates/rich wankers" because he's not an arsehole.

usualsuspect Sat 31-Aug-13 21:54:49

I'm sure he doesn't label all children with certain names as naughty either, well I hope he doesn't

Alisvolatpropiis Sat 31-Aug-13 22:04:06

Nope! Certain children are naughty, names irrespective. He doesn't do the "scanning the list of names and think oh no" thing either that has passed into being a thing people commonly believe all teachers do.

Surnames maybe because y is likely to be related to x,w,u,v who haven't been great but all are given a fair chance to be their own person. Maybe he's unusual that way.

looki Sat 31-Aug-13 22:07:42

*If it's a name you like go with it.

Why do you care what people on a the net think?*

The OP asked because she WANTED opinions. People didn't just randomly start to criticise a name because they plucked one from the air. The OP put it there ASKING for opinions. If only people who liked the name replied, it wouldn't be a very balanced view surely?

My own DD's daughter has been described as 'boring and dull' on here. So be it. People are entitled to their opinions. I personally like to know what other types of names the people who have both positive and negative towards the name like as that puts it in perspective for me. E.g. If I ask about a name e.g. Victoria and people say they hate it but then say they like names such as Bethany-Mae (an example of a name I dislike) then I know that I can safely disregard their opinion as we simply don't have the same taste in names. However if somebody says they like the name Alexandra (an example of a name I like) then I read their reply with interest.

Different strokes for different folks........its as simple as that.

MrsDeVere Sat 31-Aug-13 22:18:44

But your daughter has not been called boring and dull?

Because that is the difference.

I cannot see why that is not clear to some posters.

Writerwannabe83 Sat 31-Aug-13 22:35:34

I can't believe how wound up some people are getting about this....

Some people like the name and some don't. So what?
some people have negative feelings about the name - but so what?

Every day in every walk of life people make positive and negative associations with certain names and that's just human! Everyone does it!! Any person who says they never make snap judgements about people (based on whatever aspect) is telling porkies I think.

For what its worth, although that woman on 'This Morning' (whose name I have forgotten) was very out of order in some of the things she said, I would also be a bit hmm if my daughter told me she had a friend called Chardonnay. However, I wouldn't judge the child but my first thoughts would be, "I wonder what kind of parents she has if they like that for a girl's name..." and admittedly, I probably wouldn't conjure up the most positive of images. smile

People who don't like the name Tyler don't like it because of things they associate the name with - is that really a crime???

If I had a child called Tyler and I read all these posts I wouldn't be offended, I would probably smile. It's all just a bit of fun that people are blowing out of proportion.

I can't believe all this silliness is going on...

TheOriginalSteamingNit Sat 31-Aug-13 22:40:28

Well, I don't really like it, but neither do I mind that both my girls' names get called boring and dull on MN! Since you're asking, my thoughts are: I wouldn't. But it hardly matters, does it?

For every poster who has called my names boring, someone else has probably cited them as great names for strong women etc.... Just as lots on here have said they do like Tyler!

FFS there's even been a thread about how dd2's full name is nice, but heaven forfend anyone should use the most common shortening, which we use! She saw the thread open and thought it was a bit funny and a bit daft! (think: I want to use Eleanor, but don't want anyone calling her Ellie, how about Lean, or Nor, or Or?. That sort of thing).

MrsDeVere Sat 31-Aug-13 22:41:45

I don't think its a bit of fun to make nasty comments and snap judgments about children and their families based on their names.

Calling it fun is a bit odd IMO.

looki Sat 31-Aug-13 22:46:57

p.s I meant my DD in the post above - not my DD's daughter. I'm not quite that old yet smile smile.

I agree with Writerwannabe also. I work with a 'Chantelle'. She has one of the more important/senior roles. Every time I hear her name, I wonder what went through her parents heads to call her that, did they think it was 'new/modern' etc? I also think if she could change her name, she quite possibly would........

Writerwannabe83 Sat 31-Aug-13 22:50:33

The 'nastiest' thing I have seen written is people using the word chav and then something about a kitchen sink. Hardly worth calling the police over... hmm

I just think some people are being way too sensitive. There are more important things to worry about than whether a hypothetical Tyler is a nightmare in the classroom hmm

I doubt very much that the OP or any mother's of Tyler's are crying into their pillows based on the comments on this thread smile

As has been said, people post on here looking for opinions on names and they know full well they will get varied responses. If they aren't prepared to hear people's opinions then they shouldn't ask the question.

usualsuspect Sat 31-Aug-13 22:55:08

Why would she want to change her name?

Oh. To stop people like you from looking down on her.

I think that's your narrow mined problem. Not hers

Writerwannabe83 Sat 31-Aug-13 23:02:08

I'd love to know if there are any mothers on here who actually called their daughter Chardonnay smile

MrsDeVere Sat 31-Aug-13 23:03:09

Kitchen sink?
Do you mean a sink estate? They are quite different things.

And the mother of a Tyler was pretty upset by this thread. I would hesitate to dismiss her feelings as 'silly'.

If you don't feel this sort of ridiculous prejudice is important, that is your prerogative. Some people, myself included, do think its an important issue.

To have our children labelled as failures and problematic by teachers because of their names is worrying. One of my DC's has a MN non-u name. The things I have read about it on here are astounding.

I didn't even chose the name. But it is his and because he has it he will be be sneered at by fuckwits.

We are not talking about someone think his name is boring or try hard or silly.

We are talking about people thinking that he is thick and likely to be disruptive.

MrsDeVere Sat 31-Aug-13 23:05:38

WTF is wrong with 'Chantelle' apart from the fact that you don't like it.

Bloody hell some people have a very high opinion of themselves hmm

Writerwannabe83 Sat 31-Aug-13 23:08:44

Who cares what people think before they meet the child??

That's what I don't understand??

All that matters is what the child is actually like - surely?

People have pre-conceived ideas about names, I just don't get why it's such an issue? I'm sure that once they have met the child/family their opinion will probably completely change anyway.

I'm not a teacher but work in a job where I'm constantly exposed to children and so I hear about 101 different names every month. Some I love and some I think hmm but that doesn't mean I'm judging the child, it means I'm making a judgement about their name.

usualsuspect Sat 31-Aug-13 23:09:09


Alisvolatpropiis Sat 31-Aug-13 23:12:30

I've worked worked with a solicitor called Krystal. I'd love to see what some would assume someone with that name, spelled that way, would say about it.

To be fair I would suggest to someone liking the name Crystal that they spell as such but other than that, no assumptions made.

Writerwannabe83 Sat 31-Aug-13 23:17:55

I used to go to school with a girl called Crystal - she was really shy bless her but perfectly nice and very clever.

Alisvolatpropiis Sat 31-Aug-13 23:19:42

I knew a Crystal when I was younger too. No idea what she's doing now. She was 5/6 years older than me and when I was little I thought she was the coolest girl ever work the most pretty name.

ravenAK Sat 31-Aug-13 23:31:30

I had always wanted an Edmund (nn Ned) until I moved here - bit like calling him Chav in England!

Lucky my ds (Edmund, nn Ned) & his mate Tyler don't realise the extent to which they are doomed, then!

I'm a teacher. IME name-judginess is something inexperienced teachers do; once you're a bit more confident you find yourself more able to entertain the notion that Deshany-Shania is actually lovely whereas her bff Elizabeth is a monumental PITA, say...

looki Sat 31-Aug-13 23:33:47

MrsDeVere - she said it herself one day and also said she wondered what went through her parents heads as her siblings are all called rather boring names...........

usualsuspect Sat 31-Aug-13 23:35:48


Alisvolatpropiis Sat 31-Aug-13 23:37:29


My dp is the same (I mentioned unthread he's a teacher), he definitely thinks it's the individual not the name.

usualsuspect Sat 31-Aug-13 23:40:33

Oops ,ignore that.

Bloody kindle grin

MoominsYonisAreScary Sun 01-Sep-13 00:35:39

Some people are very rude, what's wrong with simply saying you don't like it?

I agree. I happen not to like some names. That's fine. Everyone has personal tastes. Being rude and prejudiced isn't fine.

looki Sun 01-Sep-13 00:42:18

If I put up a post asking for opinions, I'd rather people said why and gave me some feedback rather than just saying 'I don't like it'. If I didn't care what people thought/would think of a particular name, I wouldn't post in the first place.

TobyLerone Sun 01-Sep-13 00:44:30

Sometimes people get a little het up and take it personally if someone says, for example, that a name is boring or common. At no point did that person say that the person with that name was boring or common. But it's sometimes what the OP hears all the same.

Of course, sometimes people are just rude. That happens too.

evamummy Sun 01-Sep-13 07:18:54

I don't like Tyler, sorry.

everlong Sun 01-Sep-13 08:51:40

WriterWannabe are you joking about the kitchen sink thing.

DancesWithWoolEnPointe Sun 01-Sep-13 09:29:06

Every day in every walk of life people make positive and negative associations with certain names and that's just human! Everyone does it!! Any person who says they never make snap judgments about people (based on whatever aspect) is telling porkies I think.

Well I really don't. I'm guilty of a lot of things - I have in the past laughed on here at combinations of names I think are silly, I hate certain shops and supermarkets and just don't go in there because I just don't like them, I occasionally make snap judgments of people based on their taste in clothing - I'm not trying to say I'm perfect. But genuinely, I have never, ever, made a snap judgment about a person because of their name. If I really am in the minority, I think it is a sad reflection on society.

Writerwannabe83 Sun 01-Sep-13 11:07:03

Everlong - no I wasn't smile I genuinely couldn't remember what term the poster had actually used! I didn't want to spend ages trawling back over all the posts but for some reason the words kitchen sink kept popping into my head. I just used that and hoped people would know which post I was referring to smile

Writerwannabe83 Sun 01-Sep-13 11:09:48

danceswithwolves - in the aspect of my post which you highlighted where did I specify I was talking about names? I didn't. I said people make judgements based on a variety of things, including dress sense which you have admitted you do. Making a snap judgement is making a snap judgement for whatever reason you do it.

Why is it ok to do it based on someone's dress sense but not their name?
It sounds a bit hypocritical I think?

Sparklysilversequins Sun 01-Sep-13 11:13:19

This is the absolute best thread for finding out who the MN Snob Brigade is.

Writerwannabe83 Sun 01-Sep-13 11:16:14

grin grin

Maybe an awards ceremony should be held, we could have a vote on who comes 1st, 2nd or 3rd. smile

I suggested Tyler to my husband yesterday and although he didn't say yes, he didn't say no either. In my eyes it means it can go on my list! smile

DancesWithWoolEnPointe Sun 01-Sep-13 11:19:28

where did I specify I was talking about names?
Ahem, in the bit that says make positive and negative associations with certain names and that's just human! Everyone does it!!

As for accusing me of hypocrisy - did you actually read my post? I specifically said I am guilty of a lot of things, but not this one. I was challenging your assertion that and that's just human! Everyone does it!! - honestly, when it comes to names, I don't. I don't believe everyone does. In fact, aside from KH and posters on MN, I've never known anyone do it.

everlong Sun 01-Sep-13 11:19:53

Ok Wannabe smile

Sink estate = not a place you'd want to live wink

Writerwannabe83 Sun 01-Sep-13 11:20:54

Everlong - I was kind of close, I will remember that now! Thanks smile

Writerwannabe83 Sun 01-Sep-13 11:22:53

Danceswithwolves - you said, "I occasionally make snap judgements about people based on their taste in clothing....*

And I'm just asking why is it ok to make judgements about people based on that, but not on their names?

looki Sun 01-Sep-13 11:31:29

There are many many threads on this forum where people ask for an opinion and get a reply saying 'Dont, all the (insert name) I've known have been an incredible bore/bully at school etc'

How is the above acceptable when previous posts criticising certain names on this thread are not? As far as I can genuinely see, it seems that that the only difference is that the people who get answers stating how boring a name is, don't jump up in arms re

looki Sun 01-Sep-13 11:33:03

.....arms replying heatedly with bad language!! Different posters, different opinions and very different reactions!

DancesWithWoolEnPointe Sun 01-Sep-13 11:39:51

You are moving the goal posts on the conversation though Writer. I brought up the point with you that not everyone judges on name. I am not suggesting that I am judgment free. I agree with you that judging is a part of human nature, and we all occasionally hoick up our judgy pants. We shouldn't, as adults, we should know better and behave better. But we do.

But just to be clear, I am challenging the make positive and negative associations with certain names and that's just human! Everyone does it!! - I genuinely don't think everyone does judge on name. I think it is an unusual thing to judge on, and wrong. I stated way up thread that I judge people on their behaviour and actions. So regarding clothes - You chose your outfit - their is a level of action and behaviour involved in choosing to wear a skirt that doesn't cover your pants. It is your right to do so, but it is choice you made. A name is a thing you were born with.

DancesWithWoolEnPointe Sun 01-Sep-13 11:45:22

looki - I think saying a name is "boring, avoid it" is as wrong as saying a name belongs on a sink estate is wrong.

Saying "I've always loved that name, it rolls of the tongue nicely", or "I've never liked that name, I think it is an ugly word" is fine. Or "I don't like old fashioned names". Or "I think that is a name that will be associated with a certain period in time / character on telly and therefore I'd avoid it" is also fine. This is an opinion and is giving the OP something to think about.

But I don't think name threads are a place where it is okay to air your prejudices, snobbery and other unpleasantness towards groups of people. I also doubt it is ever what the OP was asking.

DancesWithWoolEnPointe Sun 01-Sep-13 11:48:44

I used the wrong there/their in my reply to Writer. <hangs head in shame> blush

If it redeems me in anyway, my name is DancesWith*Wool*, not wolves? wink

Writerwannabe83 Sun 01-Sep-13 11:49:57

It is interesting you say that you judge them on their clothes because of the person's own actions and behaviours - which I totally agree with.

I have said a few times in this thread that when it comes to names I don't judge the actual child (because like you said, it has nothing to do with their choices) but I do find myself forming judgements about the parents seeing as it was the parents who made the conscious decision to name that child.

If I met a girl called Tinkerbell or Chardonnay I wouldn't think bad,y of them but I would probably find myself making snap judgements about what their parents might be like based on them choosing to give their child that name, just like you make a snap judgement about someone who chooses to wear a mini skirt and leather thigh boots at the age of 50 smile. I joke about this because that is what my mom used to wear most days and I know what I and others used to think about that hmm grin

I can't imagine I would ever harshly judge a child's personality based on their name (before getting to know them) but I do admit that when I hear certain names, certain images come into my head. I can't help it, it just happens because that is human nature.

Writerwannabe83 Sun 01-Sep-13 11:51:51

Ps Dances - I think I accidentally called you Dancing with Wolves in an above thread, haha. Many apologies grin God knows what I was thinking grin I think I saw the DancingwithWo.....and then assumed it was going to say 'wolves' grin

Writerwannabe83 Sun 01-Sep-13 11:53:09

Just noticed you had already noticed, haha grin

I'm not as ditzy as I come across, I promise.... we'll maybe a little grin

Oblomov Sun 01-Sep-13 11:54:19

Common, Chevy and horrible.

DancesWithWoolEnPointe Sun 01-Sep-13 11:58:01

See, if you said to me "My DD is called Tinkerbell" I think I'd say something like "Wow, that is an interesting choice of name" and I'd probably admire you for being unconventional. If one of my DDs came home and said "I'm going on a date with Tyler" I'd react no differently than if she said she was going on a date with Mark or Ahmid or Sebastian or whatever. (My reaction would be to be appalled regardless due to the fact that the oldest of them is 9 wink ). Maybe I am unusual in the regard, but it is honestly not a thing I have an issue with.

Writerwannabe83 Sun 01-Sep-13 12:00:13

I would imagine Tinkerbell's mom to be a bit of a hippy smile Or a woman with a Shrine to Walt Disney on her bedroom wall smile

If my daughter said she was going out with a guy called Tyler I would look forward to meeting him - I have always thought there to be a sexy element to the name and would think my daughter was probably going out with someone gorgeous!

DancesWithWoolEnPointe Sun 01-Sep-13 12:03:28


There you go OP wink

looki Sun 01-Sep-13 12:03:53

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

everlong Sun 01-Sep-13 12:05:40


Ok Oblomov I'm assuming you've read the thread? And you still say that it's common, chavvy and horrible?

looki Sun 01-Sep-13 12:08:25

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

DancesWithWoolEnPointe Sun 01-Sep-13 12:12:48

I'm sorry Looki but grin - I'm standing by to see what you are about to say, but I'm assuming you are having a tablet/mobile fail?

looki Sun 01-Sep-13 12:18:17

Apologies for two msgs posted above in error. Silly phone!

When I post I want to read other people's positive and negative comments about the name. Otherwise what's the point in asking at all? If I merely want affirmation about my chosen name, I'll simply call my baby that name and have friends tell me they like it.

When I post about a name I want the good, the bad and the ugly. Otherwise it's a futile exercise.

Ps I've just googled the meaning of.a sink estate and agree its not a very nice thing to say but it does sum up the posters opinion which is the whole point of asking.

Writerwannabe83 Sun 01-Sep-13 12:20:37

Sink estate is actually on Google?
I thought it was just a casual term used by the poster, not that it had an official definition! I'm going to have to go and look now....

Rooners Sun 01-Sep-13 12:25:52

I don't really like the name Tyler, because of the way it sounds and also the association with the fashion of calling a child what has previously commonly been used as a surname.

However I think my prejudice partly comes from the way I have seen it used mainly among people whose taste in other areas I do not share.

There will be a lot of exceptions to that; I would not seek to judge a child based on his name. I would wait until I met him. But I may half-judge the parents' taste...again, it'a a wait and see scenario. You will have people naming children the same thing for utterly different reasons.

PrincessFlirtyPants Sun 01-Sep-13 14:19:45

I don't think Tyler is a particularly offensive name. Do I like it? No. Would I choose if for my DC? No. I have no preconceived notions about any Tyler's as I have yet to meet one.

ch1134 Sun 01-Sep-13 17:40:22

I like the name Tyler

evamummy Mon 02-Sep-13 14:16:01

I'm not keen on profession type names - Tyler (tiler), Baker, Miller.

Sadie204 Mon 02-Sep-13 20:52:42

I must be in the minority on MN cos I actually like it! Doesn't sound very nice with our surname though so was ruled out with DS. I honestly cannot believe how much controversy has been caused by a simple question regarding one name!

babynelly2010 Tue 29-Oct-13 16:34:54

oh wow, quite a thread this one turned out, coming back to it few weeks later it is pretty amazing the discussion my question created.
Turned out my boy was not Tyler after all so I gave him another name that is common in america but a bit rare in UK.
So far we received nothing but complements...

Congratulations flowers

What did you name him?

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