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everythinghippie29 Mon 26-Aug-13 23:07:18

Chael, for a boy?

DP loves it, I do like it but so far have only seen one person named it, (a UFC fighter incidentally) and I'm wondering what opinions are or if anyone has heard it elsewhere?

RegularVoltaire Mon 26-Aug-13 23:10:12

How do you pn that?

Writerwannabe83 Mon 26-Aug-13 23:10:42

To rhyme with snail???

RegularVoltaire Mon 26-Aug-13 23:11:05

It looks like one of those names that have been reversed ...like Nevaeh

riskit4abiskit Mon 26-Aug-13 23:12:23

Do you say it like chay-el?

What is your surname like?

I can't decide if I like it or not, maybe a bit American sounding?

littlemog Mon 26-Aug-13 23:15:23

Oh dear me no.

everythinghippie29 Mon 26-Aug-13 23:17:32

Ha, yes. it does rhyme with snail!

It's (I think) derived from Michael. Its certainly different, which I do like!

everythinghippie29 Mon 26-Aug-13 23:18:53

Surname is Taylor.

RegularVoltaire Mon 26-Aug-13 23:19:23

So ...like Kyle?

littlemog Mon 26-Aug-13 23:27:05

OP NO! Don't do this to your baby boy!

MsJupiterJones Mon 26-Aug-13 23:29:12

It looks like a Hebrew name, which I quite like.

Cloudkitten Mon 26-Aug-13 23:39:25

Urgh No. Instant naughty boy.

everythinghippie29 Mon 26-Aug-13 23:43:21

Some very Katie Hopkins opinions going on, but all helpful I suppose!

squoosh Mon 26-Aug-13 23:49:45

I'd assume it was a Hebrew name too, one I'd never heard of.

Is it a hard or soft c?

squoosh Mon 26-Aug-13 23:51:27

'Instant naughty boy' is so harsh.

I'm sure there are plenty of naughty Hugos and Ruperts at Eton.

ShadowSummer Mon 26-Aug-13 23:55:03

Never heard of that one before.

ThoughtsPlease Mon 26-Aug-13 23:56:23

I don't like it at all, weird is the word that springs to mind, sorry.

everythinghippie29 Mon 26-Aug-13 23:57:18

I'd say its quite soft, so prenounced to rhyme with male.

I figure parenting will have more of an impact on his 'naughty' behaviour rather than his name too!!

I think of curly kale

squoosh Tue 27-Aug-13 00:05:33

So ch as in loch rather than ch as in cheese?

racingheart Tue 27-Aug-13 00:21:52

It looks pretty but I wouldn't know how it's pronounced. I'm not over-keen on names that no one can pronounce first time round. It's just an added social obstacle every time he meets someone. Why put a person through that, when you could choose a name that doesn't have that problem?

My best friend at school had an unusual name and was forever being told off by teachers for not being able to spell it properly. (She could, but they kept assuming it was a more conventional name similar to hers.) It was a real hassle for her. Things have moved on a bit but there's still quite a lot of social snobbery attached to outlandish names. I'd anticipate a lot of people dismissing him as chavvy - they'd be the ones at fault, but it's a bit like calling a boy Sue to make a man of him.

Why not christen him Michael and call him Chael (pronounced Kell?) as a nickname. That way he gets to choose when he's older, whether he'd rather be conventional or unusual.

Cloudkitten Tue 27-Aug-13 00:24:34

Hmm... I guess it did sound harsh, but it was just reactive, not intentional. I could just have said "it's not my cup of tea" but that's sidestepping... Having never heard of the name before, I don't have any pre-conceived notions of the name, so I was not pre-prejudiced against it. Naughty boy is just instantly what I felt when I heard the name. I don't know why.

Cloudkitten Tue 27-Aug-13 00:27:20

Thinking more about it (my mind works in very mysterious ways) I mentally associated the name with Chaos...

Cloudkitten Tue 27-Aug-13 00:29:25

Have I put my foot in it more now? Sorry OP blush flowers

everythinghippie29 Tue 27-Aug-13 06:23:59

No need to apologise at all Cloudkitten! I asked for opinions and assumed it might take some flak!grin

I keep coming back to it though. Something about it I just like but that might be because I'm struggling to find anything I LOVE!

Can't go for Michael and nn it unfortunately. Already 4 Michaels on my side and can be confusing enough!

Thanks for the feedback everyone. smile

sparklingstars Tue 27-Aug-13 06:29:38

It reminds me of the names that an acquaintance uses, she is an orthodox Jew and it is very similar to several names that she has mentioned.

riskit4abiskit Tue 27-Aug-13 11:25:33

Teacher confession: when making my seating plans for my new classes every year I often dont know most of the kids (huge school).

Certain names are 'selected' based on their spelling and type of name to be sat in certain locations!

Its terribly judgey I know but its often correct. I would sit chael near the front sorry!

riskit4abiskit Tue 27-Aug-13 11:26:12

Have to add that sometimes I am wrong too!

squoosh Tue 27-Aug-13 11:29:09

I'm so shocked at that riskit! shock

Writerwannabe83 Tue 27-Aug-13 11:42:56

Hahaha riskit - that's probably something I would do! grin

everythinghippie29 Tue 27-Aug-13 11:59:50

Ha, Riskit, as long as he ends up paying attention!

I've worked in schools myself and generally have found there to be a 50/50 mix of unusual to traditional names so don't think there is as much of a stigma as there was with stranger ones.

That having been said, the only current , Chael I have heard of is a lairy professional fighter so maybe you are all onto somethingwink

littlemog Tue 27-Aug-13 12:08:13

I am a teacher too and would be very confused by this name. I would put it in the same camp as Katie Price's Jett - which is also a horrible name. Sorry OP but it really is a BAD NAME and (although they would be wrong to do so) many would assume that you're a very 'chavvy' family.

I work in an independent school and most of the names I come across are lovely and traditional and so much nicer than curly Chael. Why do you feel the need to saddle your boy with such a 'different' name? It will be a massive social hindrance imo.

littlemog Tue 27-Aug-13 12:08:58

Not my opinions by the way - just how I suspect that he (and you) will be judged and seen by others.

squoosh Tue 27-Aug-13 12:12:33

I can't believe that so many teachers can be so bigoted. And you're shaping the minds of the nation's children?

You horrify me.

Enb76 Tue 27-Aug-13 12:17:06

Is the 'ch' hard or soft? Chael like chair sounds a bit weird to me like gaol and with a hard 'k' sound reminds me of Willow. Still, it's your child.

littlemog Tue 27-Aug-13 12:20:10

Oh God - don't you think that 'horrify' is a bit OTT and rather overused on MN

I have given the OP my opinion that Chael is a pretty naff name to saddle a poor baby with and that certain people in society (and I bet there are rather a large proportion of them are on this very website) would think it 'chavvy'. I also said that I prefer traditional names which are the ones I encounter every day at work. Not sure why you find that so horrifying. confused

I know that another teacher said that she would sit him at the front of the class which I am sure was tongue in cheek but was her way of telling the OP how her son might be perceived by others if he is given such an unfortunate name. I am afraid that - rightly or wrongly - it happens.

Are you really telling me squoosh that you would not have some sort of preconceived ideas about a Rupert or a Kyle? Really?

Writerwannabe83 Tue 27-Aug-13 12:23:23

I agree with littlemog - everyone makes assumptions about people they don't know based on limited information, and that's just life.

Anyone who says that they never make snap judgements about peope based on their name, job, lifestyle, appearance etc is telling porkies smile

bridgetsmum Tue 27-Aug-13 12:23:49

I don't like it, looks like you're trying to be a bit wacky and "out there"

It's a silly name IMHO
Sorry

squoosh Tue 27-Aug-13 12:24:27

My preconceived idea would be that Rupert comes from an upper middle class family and Kyle comes from a working class family.

Beyond that I genuinely have no idea what their characters would be. And neither do you. That's why you and other teachers who are appalled at the idea of child who doesn't have a lovely middle class traditional name horrify me.

Writerwannabe83 Tue 27-Aug-13 12:26:35

I imagine the judgement is based on the type of parents that child has, not the actual child itself.

But then, when you image what the parents are like, you probably make judgements on their parenting styles which in turn makes you guess how well behaved the child may be??

peanutMD Tue 27-Aug-13 12:31:49

First thing that springs to mind is a minging vegetable.

FWIW OP my DS has a naughty/chavvy name by MN standards (there are about 90 threads on it) can't say its ever held him back, that I know of and so what if people have preconceived ideas. That soon changes when they meet and learn more about the child.

ZolaBuddleia Tue 27-Aug-13 12:35:14

Is it CHael like CHair, or CHael like CHopper?

Is it ael like ale or ael like ull?

If it's like ale I wouldn't be keen on the repeated 'ay' sound once it's combined with Taylor.

everythinghippie29 Tue 27-Aug-13 12:36:40

I never saw the chavvy element, but I suppose that label can get thrown around when a name is different. I quite like Jett if I'm honest. blush I personally like different names and am yet to find a traditional one I really like, I'm not adverse to it however!

Its pronounced with a Ch (like for Charlie) sound.

Quite funny to see some of the reactions as we are rather far away from chavvy and a bit closer to new-agey/ certainly odd! hmm

Points taken that the general consensus isn't positive!

As someone who has worked in a school environment I'm quite surprised that some teachers are as judgemental over names, I can see how initial opinions might be formed but I would certainly hope it wouldn't have an ongoing affect on how you would teach the child. I have seen teachers judge based on areas children live though so I guess I shouldn't be.

littlemog Tue 27-Aug-13 12:41:43

Right squoosh you have just admitted that you would make assumptions about a person based on their name which is exactly what I said! So in fact you are 'horrified' but you agree with me....grin

Also perhaps you can point out to me where I said that I am appalled at the idea of a child who doesn't have a lovely middle class traditional name ? Here's a hint - you can't because I didn't.

And there you go being all 'horrified' again. Such a silly OTT reaction tbh squoosh , especially when you have agreed that you make assumptions based on names just like everyone else does. Sigh.

littlemog Tue 27-Aug-13 12:47:27

hippie I may be a teacher but I am not being judgemental over names apart from the fact that I would find it to be odd/unusual. I gave you my thoughts on the name itself and also my own preferences for traditional names.

Other people might think differently - that is what I was trying to point out! It's worth considering how a name might be perceived by others in the big wide world isn't it?

OP - since you mention it.... Charlie! That is a lovely name! grin Not tempted?!

squoosh Tue 27-Aug-13 12:47:46

Littlemog are you actually a teacher at all? I find that ever so hard to believe. Go back and read your post where you said 'I work in an independent school and most of the names I come across are lovely and traditional and so much nicer than curly Chael.'

Sound familiar?

Of course we make assumptions, I assume there's a high chance that someone called Saoirse will be Irish and someone called Innes will be Scottish, these aren't offensive assumptions, yours are.

Sigh

littlemog Tue 27-Aug-13 12:51:33

It's fine that you don't believe I am a teacher. It matters not a jot to me!

I shall try this again, and in simple terms squoosh.

I PREFER TRADITIONAL NAMES

I DO NOT LIKE THE NAME CHAEL yes it makes me think of curly kale

I HAVE MADE NO ASSUMPTIONS AT ALL

Ok?

ZolaBuddleia Tue 27-Aug-13 12:52:43

Nearly there.

And is it ael like ale or ull?

everythinghippie29 Tue 27-Aug-13 12:54:59

Littlemog, that's really exactly why I asked so I do appreciate everyone who has offered an opinion.

You are right, regardless of the morality of it, people do judge and make preconceptions so its always good to have an idea of what those will be!

As it stands DP it fairly useless with coming up with names and a lot of my suggestions have been vetoed already! Doh! Part of me was hoping it was an unusual diamond in the rough! grin

Not a big fan of Charlie, its quite cute on little ones but just not to our tastes- I don't know why.

everythinghippie29 Tue 27-Aug-13 12:56:53

Zola, as mentioned up post it rhymes with male. So the ale would prob be more accurate.

smile

squoosh Tue 27-Aug-13 12:59:56

Goodness littlemog you do seem to have got yourself in a bit of a tizzy. But don't worry, your writing style is more than simple enough for me to have understood your initial post quite clearly. smile

littlemog Tue 27-Aug-13 13:04:35

everythinghippie sorry to railroad your thread somewhat but it is quite difficult getting through to some people as they don't seem to understand what they read!

As I have said, I love traditional names but also have come across some unusual names which I have loved and really suited the child. It is finding the right one that I think is probably a little harder but worth the effort if it's what you want. People sort of become their names anyway.

It is wrong that people judge on names (and it appears that we all do it to a degree) but as another poster said, preconceptions disappear once they have met the person. I think that the hard 'K' sound might be the thing that puts people off your choice....possibly not but it could be that.

Anyway - best of luck with your name hunt! It's all part of the fun. grin

littlemog Tue 27-Aug-13 13:07:06

And squoosh I could see that you were having comprehension issues so I tried to make it as simple as possible for you. Glad that you understand now.

See - working even in my hols! grin

squoosh Tue 27-Aug-13 13:09:11

My God but you're passive aggressive. If you don't like being pulled up on ignorant remarks, well then don't make them.

Happy to help!

ZolaBuddleia Tue 27-Aug-13 13:09:38

Hhm. Reckon there must be a name of a similar enough ilk for you to like it, but without the repeated ay sound.

Do you like Chad? Keir? Caleb? Cathal (Irish name pr Ca - hull)?

littlemog Tue 27-Aug-13 13:11:18

squoosh you see the thing is, I did not make any ignorant remarks. You became all 'horrified' over nothing and because you had misunderstood my posts. I have explained this and you now look a bit daft but it's ok.

Don't worry about it.

littlemog Tue 27-Aug-13 13:12:34

zola Oooh I like Caleb. It's unusual too.

squoosh Tue 27-Aug-13 13:17:21

And again with the passive aggression. How tedious.

I don't actually look 'daft' however you certainly look massively defensive because I took issue with your ignorant post.

ZolaBuddleia Tue 27-Aug-13 13:18:17

Chester?

Like shale then?

littlemog Tue 27-Aug-13 13:23:37

squoosh whatever. Life is far too short and precious for me to engage in silly squabbles with horrified MNetters like you.

I have just remembered that I used to teach a boy called Sal who was called Salty by everyone including his parents. It really suited him!

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