Sibling for Lysander

(79 Posts)
CaringMum28 Tue 01-Jan-13 22:57:45

Currently pregnant have a 3yr old Lysander known as Xander for short.
Want another rare name with a good nickname for no2 please?!
NB white British, no welsh/ Scottish names please as don't like grin thanks

lockets Tue 01-Jan-13 22:59:49

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CaringMum28 Tue 01-Jan-13 23:01:22

Wow Lockets loving Elektra and Pandora - just the 'Carmen Electra' (not relevant for this age group?) and ridiculous 'show us your box' jokes ok Pandora? Love Pandorable though!! DH veto-ed it for no1!

PoppadomPreach Tue 01-Jan-13 23:01:33

White British?? You do know Lysander is Greek? And that Wales and Scotland are two of the countries that form Britain?

Hope you find something that suits.....

Booyhoo Tue 01-Jan-13 23:04:07

white british? hmm

AnotherPhase Tue 01-Jan-13 23:06:06


3smellysocks Tue 01-Jan-13 23:06:35

Loving Eleckra

CaringMum28 Tue 01-Jan-13 23:06:55

Oh I just meant didn't have any other cultural heritage etc as we don't like Celtic names, nothing else!

BaileyBillyBooBoo Tue 01-Jan-13 23:08:07


lockets Tue 01-Jan-13 23:08:09

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lockets Tue 01-Jan-13 23:09:23

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QuickQuickSleigh Tue 01-Jan-13 23:11:32

Demetrius for a boy and Helena or Hermia for a girl?

Booyhoo Tue 01-Jan-13 23:13:42

so you want an english name?

OscarPistoriusBitontheside Tue 01-Jan-13 23:18:10


OkayHazel Wed 02-Jan-13 14:03:33

Lorcan and Lysander!

HelpOneAnother Wed 02-Jan-13 14:11:31

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countrykitten Wed 02-Jan-13 14:44:29

You seem to like Greek names OP with your Lysander and your liking Electra and Pandora. Is is a theme you wish to continue or not really?

countrykitten Wed 02-Jan-13 14:54:34

What I mean is - do you want more Greek names/suggestions or other names? Shame you don't like Welsh or Scottish names - can't tempt you with Megan or Dylan for example? I LOVE the name Dylan!

SledYuleCated Wed 02-Jan-13 15:01:41

Not unusual, but my first thought was Josephine.

CaringMum28 Wed 02-Jan-13 21:29:03

Yes I do like Greek/ classical names, also longer names generally, thanks for the Josephine suggestion.
Heard the name Pomeline once (French I think) not sure on a nickname, is it too out there?

countrykitten Wed 02-Jan-13 22:06:21


Just raiding my S/peare memory banks!

bananaramma Wed 02-Jan-13 22:10:34

Lysander and Dominic
Lysander and Theodore
Lysander and Quentin

Lysander and Florence
Lysander and Theodora
Lysander and Clementine

amck5700 Wed 02-Jan-13 22:24:26

Strange that you don't like Celtic names but have chosen a very Scottish nick name for your son. Xander is mostly used as short for Alexander or sometimes in it's own right and is very common in Scotland. Didn't you mean Zander? It's hard to see where the X sound comes from Lysander, in my accent anyway.

What about Persephone or Phaedra for a girl or Remus for a boy?

stleger Wed 02-Jan-13 22:37:39

Cornelius/Cornelia and Raphael/Raphaella. My dd2 would have been Raphaella if I'd thought of it at the time.

countrykitten Thu 03-Jan-13 19:31:15

Florence is gorgeous!

Roseformeplease Thu 03-Jan-13 19:38:44

White British? How do you define that? Surely our lines are too blurred for that to be easy. What about James - King of England, born in Scotland. Or Mary, a Biblical name used in both places. Do you mean no Celtic names? How can you not like all names from two entire countries? Weird.

I'd continue with the Jilly cooper theme so Rupert, xavier, Cosmo, rannaldino, tabitha, perdita, oh so many

mynameis Thu 03-Jan-13 19:46:09

smile Also in the Jilly Cooper theme.
Aren't his brothers called Hector and Alexander in the book?

countrykitten Thu 03-Jan-13 20:45:10

Hector is an hilarious name! It's a bit like Boris but nicer - I think Hector is actually a good choice AND it's staying with the Greek theme.

bananaramma Thu 03-Jan-13 21:24:13

But to hector means to bully/to torment. Not a great association imo.

SpikyLikey Thu 03-Jan-13 21:28:48

Lysander is lovely.

Thea (tay-ah)

lockets Thu 03-Jan-13 21:32:35

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KenDoddsDadsDog Thu 03-Jan-13 22:00:23


Roseformeplease Thu 03-Jan-13 22:19:42

Lots of Hectors in Scotland - better not suggest that one.

FunnysInLaJardin Thu 03-Jan-13 22:22:00

well I like Fabian and Raphael (nn Rafe) but then I would really grin

countrykitten Thu 03-Jan-13 22:49:30

Rose - that's interesting about Hector being popular in Scotland. Shame the OP won't be interested because of that as it is a good name.

Come to think of it - the brief is a little weird for this one isn't it?

FoxtrotFoxtrotSierra Thu 03-Jan-13 22:52:41

Some talk of Alexander and some of Hercules
Of Hector and Lysander and such great names as these

Love Hector a lot. Can you see it as Greek rather than Scottish OP?

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overtheseatocalais Fri 04-Jan-13 08:59:04


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Roseformeplease Fri 04-Jan-13 16:02:30

Yes, Foxtrot, weird and (perhaps) a little racist. Not only no Welsh or Scottish but specifically White British. Surely, having names suggested that you do not like is hardly offensive while dismissing them based on country of origin or colour is a bit offensive.

amck5700 Fri 04-Jan-13 17:09:18

yes I feel offended, and she hasn't come back either. I think she meant white go with her son's Greek name hmm

Maybe she just put it badly and meant she likes traditional but unusual names? <gives benefit of doubt>

Roseformeplease Fri 04-Jan-13 17:12:20

Maybe she is hiding in case I set the boys in kilts on her?

lockets Fri 04-Jan-13 17:21:58

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amck5700 Fri 04-Jan-13 17:30:53

lockets, lots of people have tried to help including those who were offended smile

Just because someone worded something badly, doesn't mean that the sentiment doesn't exist. However, I agree that if she had simply said that she'd like something along the same lines as Lysander then she would maybe have not been thought of as possibly racist - I was joking about being offended btw.....and yes, it would be a strange world if we all liked the same names but I don't think anyone would particularly give any Celtic suggestions with the original brief so all could have been avoided.

tetleymel Fri 04-Jan-13 17:38:20

How is Xander a nick name for Lysander?

Electra was in love with her father, wasn't she? Like a female Oedipus?

Never seen so many pretentious names on one thread.

amck5700 Fri 04-Jan-13 18:24:28

tetleymel - How is Xander a nick name for Lysander? It's not as I said above - you could have Sandy (very Scottish) or Zander at a push.

mynameis Fri 04-Jan-13 18:28:39

I would go with Sandy being the shortened version too

lockets Fri 04-Jan-13 18:41:19

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amck5700 Fri 04-Jan-13 18:46:33

Hmm - all down to accents I guess. Bit of a diversion, but I've noticed people from the Southern half of GB writing "draw" instead of "drawer" as apparently it sounds exactly the same. There is a whole syllable missing in my accent smile

countrykitten Sat 05-Jan-13 16:31:24

I think that posters have been very helpful on this thread lockets. I think that maybe the OP has not come back as she is a bit embarrassed at asking for English names without realising that Lysander is Greek!! Suspect that she found it in a Jilly Cooper novel and thought that good old Jilly couldn't possibly use a foreign name....grin

lockets Sat 05-Jan-13 18:10:34

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Roseformeplease Sat 05-Jan-13 18:43:29

She asked for "White British" but no Welsh or Scottish. Curiouser and curiouser.

amck5700 Sat 05-Jan-13 18:44:53

I'm thinking Paddy would be a good suggestion now grin

nannyof3 Sat 05-Jan-13 18:53:39



doyouwantfrieswiththat Sat 05-Jan-13 19:04:37

ooh ooh...what about Hereward? grin

(Can't really understand why you would ask other people to name your child though tbh)

mija1 Sun 06-Jan-13 19:03:07


ZolaBuddleia Sun 06-Jan-13 19:19:00


Can't get past the Demetrius block. grin

FelicityWasSanta Sun 06-Jan-13 19:29:22

Demetrius for a boy and Helena or Hermia for a girl?

This grin

SpanishLady Tue 08-Jan-13 17:47:42

I think some people are reading too much in the comment 'white British' - I dont think this automatically means the person dislikes people of other races which appears to be the way some people are taking it?

There have been plenty of threads were the OP has been very excact about the racial/religious origins of the family and I dont recall anyone exclaiming how awful to be only asking for names that work for say Muslim or Irish backgrounds.

if the Op had said Black British or Chinese British would they have the same reaction?

OP - I'd brush such responses off if I were you

amck5700 Tue 08-Jan-13 18:11:46

I think the reaction was that she had said white British when in fact she didn't want any Scottish or Welsh names, so actually she wanted white English - no-one was reacting to the white, it was that the OP did the classic media thing of referring to Britain when they mean England.

You are correct though in that she did not say she disliked Scottish or Welsh people (or any other races/colours etc), just the names.

From my experience, people from the rest of Britain get a bit hacked off when things are quoted as being British (i.e. quoted statistics etc) when actually they only cover England - it's a bit of a raw nerve. A bit like Andy Murray being referred to as Scottish when he loses but British when he wins.

You are all idiots. Scots are generally blue. grin

How about Lydia?

HyvaPaiva Tue 08-Jan-13 18:30:55

I can't get over 'we have no other cultural heritage so no Scottish or Welsh'
...yet you gave your DS a Greek name and a Scottish nickname grin

Ham69 Tue 08-Jan-13 18:53:16

No, Spanishlady, but 'WhiteBritish' haven't grown up with the prejudice and abuse that 'BlackBritish' have had to endure over the centuries.

countrykitten Tue 08-Jan-13 21:03:23

HP my thoughts too! grin

And good pointHam.

SpanishLady Wed 09-Jan-13 08:46:49

No, Spanishlady, but 'WhiteBritish' haven't grown up with the prejudice and abuse that 'BlackBritish' have had to endure over the centuries.

so, you are saying that people of certain ethnic backgrounds have some kind of special pass when it comes to racial matters? Perhaps they own racism? Because no one is ever racist to say white people....odd seeing as Im white and have had been racially abused a number of times (including being spat on and refused service) bothoverseas and interestingly in the UK.

I think racism is racism no matter whose mouth it comes out and its never ok whatever historic precedent you are claiming as your own.

Anyway I didnt mean this to become a discussion on race - but if you look back at the original post:

- at no point did she say she only wanted white or English names - that is just what she is - so roseforme I think your post a little unrepresentative of the OP

- whilst of course I cant speak for the OP what I took from the reference to no celtic names was she wouldnt want names that are extremely obviously 'celtic' - eg Myfanwy, or Padraig - I can see how that might upset people who like those names but seriously? look at some posts on here - you get people saying some pretty derogatory things about some names - its just opinion not fact

-at no point did OP say she didnt like foreign names - so I dont know why some of you are mocking her for her son's Greek name - she never said she had a problem with Non- British names! And whilst Lysander may be Greek in origin it is well known in the UK and more well in English in terms of pronounciation etc

- I also dont get the Xander comment - I am more than happy to accept Xander is scottish though I am also convinced that a straw poll in the street would not have the majority of people identifying it as Scottish - it sounds pretty generic to me - Hamish? Elspeth? yes Scottish. Xander? well ok but not as obviously as other names

I dont usually post to be honest but I think some of you have been pretty unkind and basically incorrect about the OP because she has somehow upset your sensibilities when I think she was pretty quick to try and soothe over any such perception - yet you carried on? Just dont think this was necessary.

amck5700 Wed 09-Jan-13 09:39:19

- at no point did she say she only wanted white or English names - that is just what she is - so roseforme I think your post a little unrepresentative of the OP

That's a bit dubious - she said NB White British no Welsh or Scottish names - She could have been referring to her own nationality rather than that being the type of name she wanted but when you add on the names she didn't want then that effectively means White English names in my book.

As a said before, I think it was badly worded and touched a raw nerve - but it is something that people more in the public eye than the OP do all the time. I don't think that anyone would have been bothered if she's said she'd like a Traditional English name to go with her son called Lysander. Maybe someone would have commented that as Lysander is a greek name would she be interested in similar but that would have been all.

That said, i don't think anyone has been particularly unkind, the OP could have come back and done an "oops" type of response. Lots of people have posted helpful suggestions and if nothing else the OP will have been educated in the geography of Britain and the roots of her son's name. grin

lockets Wed 09-Jan-13 17:24:20

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Ham69 Fri 11-Jan-13 00:18:20

Your post makes me very sad, Spanishlady. What a very narrow minded, ignorant view of the world you have. I feel sorry for you.

Sorry OP, I realise we are going off topic.

anonymosity Fri 11-Jan-13 02:46:51

If you name all your children from "A Midsummer Night's Dream" everyone will think you (and eventually, your grown children) are deeply sad and absolute ponces, won't they?

UterusUterusGhaLaLaLaLaLi Fri 11-Jan-13 10:25:46

God youse lot can be horrible sometimes.

I have seen so many threads where people say they like names like Bjorn, and are told they are silly if they're not Scandinavian. Lysander strikes me as "classical" rather than proper Greek eg Iannis, Vassos etc.

KatherinaMinola Fri 11-Jan-13 10:38:20

What a bonkers thread. I took it that the OP was saying that her family was White British (a helpful note so that she would get suggestions that were culturally appropriate), with an additional note that she was not keen on Welsh/Scottish names.

I love the names Seren and Angharad, but sadly they are not culturally appropriate for my family...

As has been said, Lysander is 'read' as classical rather than "Are you Greek then?"

SpanishLady Fri 11-Jan-13 11:55:09

Ham - can you actually read?

GiannaK Fri 11-Jan-13 17:50:08

This is really silly! For what it's worth I think the OP meant that they are white British (many people reference their nationality on here as it is relevant to naming traditions or choices) and then as a different point went on to say that she didn't want Celtic sounding names. Fair enough if that is a preference. That isn't racist. What if she didn't like flower names? Would everyone be up in arms that it discriminates against people with kids called Rose and Jasmine?! No.

Girls: Phaedra, Io, Hestia, Calliope, Dimitra, Artemis, Melina, Matina
Boys: Theodore, Orestes, Iordanis, Odysseas (od-ie-SAY-as)

countrykitten Fri 11-Jan-13 20:53:30

KatherineMinola how can a name not be culturally appropriate...surely any name can be used if you like it can't it? Thinking along narrow cultural lines is one of the things that divides people unnecessarily isn't it? What a strange view of the world you must have.

BoyMeetsWorld Fri 11-Jan-13 21:46:56

Oh I adore Lysander!!!

Hmm for siblings how about...

Lysander & Lyra
Lysander & Lylia
Lysander & Phaedra
Lysander & Persephone
Lysander & Antigone (Tiggy)
Lysander & Eleanora

Lysander & Raphael
Lysander & Yeffe
Lysander & Tybalt
Lysander & Leonides
Lysander & Orion
Lysander & Dashiell
Lysander & Solitaire

Bessie123 Fri 11-Jan-13 21:49:48

Janet? <snigger>

countrykitten Sat 12-Jan-13 00:47:07

Hmmm Lyra - I love that. I know it's a constellation and the heroine in the Philip Pullman novels but my OH just laughed his head off and said something about Marvel comics so maybe you should investigate before going with that one....

tigerdriverII Sat 12-Jan-13 00:49:28

Hector. Don't you know the song "Hector and Lysander" dur de dur de dur etc. is your son really called Lysander. Respect

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