Calling teachers .. what ate naughty boy names?

(130 Posts)
MyNewVenture Tue 04-Dec-12 17:18:23

Middle class naughty boy names rather than 'Shane' type names. For non teachers, who are the naughty boys in your child's class?

MyNewVenture Tue 04-Dec-12 17:19:29

Arrrgh - what are the naughty boy names

Middle class naughty boys names??

Wow.

Bearandcub Tue 04-Dec-12 17:24:12

"Shane type names"... Charming.

MyNewVenture Tue 04-Dec-12 17:24:55

Why wow?

Are the mc boys you know all good boys? Not where we live grin.

I just didn't want a list of male wynetta type names

It's just the fact you would even ask what naughty boys names are, let alone quantify it with middle class.

Why? Do you think if you name your child Shane he will turn naughty??

MolotovCocktail Tue 04-Dec-12 17:27:01

In my DDs class, the 'naughty boys' are Luke, Lucas and Charlie.

She's nearly 4yo.

Greensleeves Tue 04-Dec-12 17:27:02

Well, hating as I do to play into stereotypes... I had a hell of a day today and this thread is just toooooooooooooo tempting

Not "naughty boys" as such, they are all adorable (and I really mean it!) but the sparky little pickles who turn my hair grey (am not playing into the "middle class" thing because I don't think it is that simple)

Jayden
Ayden
Cayden
Kian
Tyler
Chayton
Daniel
Nathan
Aaron
Alfie

But, but, but they aren't naughty names. Theres no such thing. And you cant avoid a name you like because they are naughty??

Names have zero effect on a child's behaviour FFS.

Oh and one of those names on that list belongs to ds1 who is 13 and definitley not naughty.

ShatnersBassoon Tue 04-Dec-12 17:33:50

Shane

Greensleeves Tue 04-Dec-12 17:36:35

Tantrums, I did say that I wouldn't call them "naughty boys", just sparky. And OP only asked for our personal experiences.

On reflection I shouldn't have posted at all sad. I thought it would be lighthearted (and affectionate, which it is on my part) but if it upsets people whose children have those names I apologise.

MolotovCocktail Tue 04-Dec-12 17:37:01

I suppose they're 'naughty' because you connect the behaviour to the child, and then the child to the name?

It's going to be different for everyone. It is not science; this is not a quantitative research project which will yield any useful data whatsoever.

It's just a lighthearted question - maybe phrase a little clumsily - right, OP?

COCKadoodledooo Tue 04-Dec-12 17:37:38

William, Hugo, James.

greensleeves I'm not offended, I'm just amazed someone would even ask such a question.

<hides topic entirely. Clearly not for me>

PandaNot Tue 04-Dec-12 17:40:45

Max and Ryan. Never taught a well behaved Ryan, middle class or not.

SantasNaughtySack Tue 04-Dec-12 17:42:17

Damien. <whistles innocently>

MolotovCocktail Tue 04-Dec-12 17:43:16

I love MN, but I do get confused when people pick bones with threads which obviously mean no harm.

Everybody remembers 'naughty' boys and girls at school, don't they? I'm not stupid enough to think that Luke, Lucas and Charlie are names that shall be forevermore tarnished with the naughty brush.

GinAndaDashOfLime Tue 04-Dec-12 17:45:11

IME after 13 years teaching inner city teens in rough schools, Naughty names:
Marcus
Leon
Nathan
Connor
Aaron
Daniel
Aidan
Reece / Rhys
Jamal (all spellings)
Cameron
Joshua
Jordan

Of course there are always exceptions to this, I've definitely taught a nice well behaved version of each of the above; but more often than not these names belong to difficult boys - and if I see them on a register at the start of a new term I definitely (although I'm aware of it and try not to) make prejudiced assumptions sad we're only human after all. And I DO think names change behaviour / personality very subtly - because if you're a girl called Chardonnay people (teachers, employers) will make assumptions about you before meeting you which may well subtly affect your life chances .. Sad but true - read "freakonomics"

Agree with Rhys, Joshua and Connor.
Also Cameron.

Smudging Tue 04-Dec-12 18:09:13

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

CheerfulYank Tue 04-Dec-12 18:17:19

Matthew!

Every Matthew I've ever known has been a shit, and this includes my brother and a good friend as well as countless little ones. Watch out for the Matts! smile

CheerfulYank Tue 04-Dec-12 18:18:06

Oooh, I love Rhys...might have a naughty one on my hands one of these days!

EugenesAxeChoppedDownANiceTree Tue 04-Dec-12 18:21:17

A while back the 'most likely to be well behaved' boys name was Adam, and the least, Callum.

Unfortunately I know a family with both an Adam and a Callum, and they are both nice boys hmm

InNeedOfBrandyButter Tue 04-Dec-12 18:23:09

The name all throughout school that the naughty boys had was Damian, for some reason I can pick Damian's put in the crowd to.

Lebkuchenlover Tue 04-Dec-12 18:26:40

If you google it you'll find quite a few studies done on this topic. The bbc news had an article recently. Can't remember all the names but Callum and Connor were on there, I think.

Of course names don't make you naughty but perhaps parents that like certain names have a similar parenting style?

usualsuspect3 Tue 04-Dec-12 18:28:01

I think if you are a teacher who makes assumptions about a child based on their name you are in the wrong job.

nelly83 Tue 04-Dec-12 18:30:25

haha Cheerful Yank - my bro is called Matthew and I know exactly what you mean!!
I am a teacher.I wouldn't say these were naughty names (I dont like saying that) but the following names have provided me some challenges over the years! Sometimes the 'naughty' children are actually the best children to teach as they have amazing personalities- and they always the most memorable!
Mckenzie
Ethan
Any boys names beginning with J! especiallyJake
Oliver
Charlie
Harry
Matthew!
George
Cory
Billy
Dylan
Lewis

There are exceptions to these (although not many!) I definitely dont think social class plays a part at all. It is extremely difficult thinking of a name when u teach as so many have negative connotations. however, there are some amazing children out there and we shouldn't forget it!!

OP hope this helps!

AllOverIt Tue 04-Dec-12 18:31:29

Luke...

usual thank god I am not the only person who thinks that.

I was beginning to wonder.

Here, have a wine with me grin

Greensleeves Tue 04-Dec-12 18:38:08

I think it is daft to expect teachers or anyone else not to notice patterns - if the same thing happens over and over again, one begins to anticipate it. That's just how the human mind works, surely?

But we should (and I am sure most do) make sure we bear in mind that making assumptions is wrong and try hard not to do it. And you can guarantee that if you do cave into your prejudices, you will fall flat on your face at some point.

I know a Rhys and a Matthew who are the most delightful well-mannered and considerate little boys.

FelicityWasSanta Tue 04-Dec-12 18:38:25

I think if you are a teacher who makes assumptions about a child based on their name you are in the wrong job.

True.

Also, If you are a teacher who honestly can't remember the name of children who have been naughty in your presence... Your memory isn't good enough to be a teacher.

So I am adding my lighthearted tuppence, with the caveat that I know all children with these names aren't 'naughty' and I also know that being 'naughty ' at school doesn't automatically make you a bad person.

Jake
Jack
Nathan
Liam
Clyde
Kristoff
Michael
Jordan

Ps- more than one of those names also features in my own family on perfectly nice well behaved children....

ThePoppyAndTheIvy Tue 04-Dec-12 18:44:44

Well to answer the actual question asked in the thread title - was it Godzilla? Or a very hungry crocodile?

usualsuspect3 Tue 04-Dec-12 18:46:16

Horrible thread. I don't give a toss if it's supposed to be lighthearted.

IsaXMASbelleRinging Tue 04-Dec-12 18:50:17

Luke is definitely a naughty boy name! (and Lucas)

SminkoPinko Tue 04-Dec-12 18:50:59

One of my children's names is mentioned several times here and in the metro article and the others not once! And he is definitely the naughtiest of my 3 in many ways.

It's not bloody lighthearted if someone reading this thinks they've done their child a terrible injustice and made the teachers look at them as "naughty" because they chose a naughty name.

I am actually shocked that anyone would ask?!

Maybe this is why I never post in this topic?

luke is definitley a naughty boys name

No. No it isn't. FFS, children do not become naughty because they are called luke

IsaXMASbelleRinging Tue 04-Dec-12 18:55:18

Do you have a naughty boy usual ?

As if teachers see a good child as naughty just because of their name! It IS lighthearted.

FrustratedSycamoreSnowflake Tue 04-Dec-12 18:57:58

Alfie's are always cheeky and rather funny IMO.
Never come across a "naughty" Luke. hmm

usualsuspect3 Tue 04-Dec-12 18:58:06

I'm not sure what a naughty boy is TBH.

I do know that it's a stupid thing to say 'Luke is a naughty boys name'

ThePoppyAndTheIvy Tue 04-Dec-12 18:59:05

Actually OP, I know two Jacks who have autism - if I were you I'd avoid that name, you know, just in case hmm.

ThePoppyAndTheIvy Tue 04-Dec-12 19:00:24

Horrid Henry grin. Now that is a naughty boy's name.

MyNewVenture Tue 04-Dec-12 19:00:25

Tantrums no of course no-one thinks a name makes a child naughty [though spot the irony here]. It has, however, been shown (in a light hearted) way over the years that teachers tend to cringe when certain names are mentioned. There was a link many years ago to a very long thread on this subject on the main teacher's mumsnet equivalent.

hmm

MyNewVenture Tue 04-Dec-12 19:01:08

Oh grow up Poppy. Don't try to make this thread into something it isn't.

3b1g Tue 04-Dec-12 19:01:36

Stephen / Steven.
Three different boys, three different years. All lovely boys in their way but always being told off. Almost certainly coincidence though.

IsaXMASbelleRinging Tue 04-Dec-12 19:01:48

HAHA!! This is so funny.

It would be a stupid thing to say if it was meant in a deadly serious, definitive manner. Lighten up will ya?

Naughty is when a child deliberately does things they know they are not supposed to do (well that's the general consensus in my world, who knows in the world of MN though, there is probably no such thing as naughty on here)

legojunkie Tue 04-Dec-12 19:02:09

Oscar,George,Jeremy and Kyle.

ThePoppyAndTheIvy Tue 04-Dec-12 19:03:10

You clearly need to grow up if you think that "naughty" names exist. Really, read your original post back. It sounds stuck up & VERY stupid. My replies are only in the same vain.

FrustratedSycamoreSnowflake Tue 04-Dec-12 19:03:36

I know a few lovely polite Jacks.

3b1g Tue 04-Dec-12 19:04:43

This thread reminds me of how difficult it was to think of names for all three of our boys: every time we found a name we liked, either DM or DMil (both teachers) would tell horror stories of all the badly behaved children they'd known with that name.

usualsuspect3 Tue 04-Dec-12 19:07:23

So teachers cringe at certain names do they? Yeah that's really light hearted.

But that's my point. How on earth can it be lighthearted if teachers cringe when they hear a childs name? Without even meeting the child?

It's ridiculous.

MyNewVenture Tue 04-Dec-12 19:10:27

Poppy, you are being naive if you think that some teachers and others do not think like this. You only have to spend a very small amount of time on this section of Mumsnet that people worry about the impression a name will give to others. You may not have been around when the link to the thread on the teachers' website was here, but it was very shocking that a huge number of teachers had posted.

And I agree with the other poster, read Freakonomics.

DowntonSprouts Tue 04-Dec-12 19:11:51

Are you trying to avoid giving your child a "naughty" name?

FWIW my mum was a teacher in the 1940s. She has dementia and her memory is very poor. However she has a photo of one of the classes she taught and she can name all the children.

There is one little boy that she points to and always says he was a naughty boy. His name was Warren grin

X posted with usual

Op, that's why I am glad I don't spend any time on this topic.

colditz Tue 04-Dec-12 19:14:59

Daniel is a very naughty name, they are all naughty. Now, I love that name and called my second child by that name because I didn't think the naughty name thing was true.

One of the Daniels I went to school with walked past once whilst my own Daniel was mid mega tantrum. He guffawed and said "you KNEW that was the naughty name, what did you call him that to? It's your own fault!"

All the Daniels I was at school with we're naughty, as were all the Darrens.

HenriettaTurkey Tue 04-Dec-12 19:16:39

Jack
Ryan
Rhys
Lewis
Aiden
Callum
Sean

Never met a Rhys I didn't love though!

grin

SweetMingePie Tue 04-Dec-12 19:17:58

Colditz, I have a Daniel and when he as born a few said "oh he will be a naughty one when he is older, all Daniels are". grin he does have his moments, but he is far from naughty.

Now Harry, there is a naughty child's name...

IsaXMASbelleRinging Tue 04-Dec-12 19:18:35

Teacher's cringe at lots of things...they are human. People get judged by their name all the time, don't tell me you don't get different images in your head for different names.

Little Tarquin probably looks very different to little Shane in our minds.

Of course in reality teachers will get to know the child for who they really are, but first impressions have to be made when reading the new class list for the first time, teachers are people too.

grin Colditz

Greensleeves Tue 04-Dec-12 19:19:00

they're fab though, little boys with a bit of a swagger and a glint in their eye. I love 'em all to bits.

nobody is talking about actual deliquency, surely?

maillotjaune Tue 04-Dec-12 19:19:36

Well I've fucked up then as all my boys' names begin with a J and someone upthread has said that all names beginning with a J are naughty. hmm

IsaXMASbelleRinging Tue 04-Dec-12 19:20:59

I knew a VERY naughty Warren too!

Agree about Daniels, always bright and cheeky!

colditz Tue 04-Dec-12 19:23:31

I think it comes of having a song with their own name n sung to them all the time .... " oh Danny boy...."

IsaXMASbelleRinging Tue 04-Dec-12 19:23:55

On the other hand good boys names are Benjamin, James, and Samuel.

IsaXMASbelleRinging Tue 04-Dec-12 19:24:57

Christophers can swing either way!

TreadOnTheCracks Tue 04-Dec-12 19:27:26

Jordan, Jack, Dillon, Mckenzie, Freddie, Josh,

usualsuspect3 Tue 04-Dec-12 19:28:39

Nice to know teachers were cringing at my DSs name.

SweetMingePie Tue 04-Dec-12 19:28:51

Haha! DH has sung that to him since he was born. They do deserve their own song.

CindySherman Tue 04-Dec-12 19:29:10

Kai

ggirl Tue 04-Dec-12 19:29:25

Definitely Callum

my ds' name is on here..I think I'll survive...grin ffs some people take things so seriously

ErikNorseman Tue 04-Dec-12 19:32:57

perhaps parents that like certain names have a similar parenting style?

Translated = perhaps chavvy/working class parents are all a bit shit at parenting...

usualsuspect3 Tue 04-Dec-12 19:33:00

Well FFS, Sorry, I don't find these threads funny.

IsaXMASbelleRinging Tue 04-Dec-12 19:45:08

He must be REALLY naught Usual grin

FelicityWasSanta Tue 04-Dec-12 20:03:18

If you don't personally find it funny, perhaps you should stop reading it!?

I can tell the difference between a name a person.

Fwiw I currently teach a lovely Luke, a lovely Jack and a very sweet Lucas.

I know an extremely boring (and not naughty) Daniel, and a very kind Harry.

The associations with 'naughtiness' are loose, fluid and lighthearted. But they do exist.

Current 'naughty' names include, James, Christopher, Archie and Jasper.

Fozzleyplum Tue 04-Dec-12 20:10:04

An experienced teacher friend once told me that she and her colleagues agreed that there is a higher probability of naughtiness in children with certain names. Apparently, they tend to be the more trendy or exotic names, and however politically incorrect, there's a definite socio-economic link. She did concede that there are always exceptions. In my DS's primary school class, the outstandingly naughty boy had a very middle class name.

It may not be palatable, but a lot of teachers make this observation. I'm not a teacher and, fortunately, I can't remember the names she mentioned.

usualsuspect3 Tue 04-Dec-12 20:10:32

Nah, I like to stick my oar in.

MJandherdog Tue 04-Dec-12 20:14:54

My dad was a teacher for 35 years. He says the staff had a theory that the names Jason and Lee meant that a child given these names would automatically grow up to be 'naughty'. Imagine their reaction when Jason Lee rolled through the gates! Apparently he completely lived up to their expectations!

Not sure what naughty boys names are these days? From my experiences of colourful little men in my dd's age range they are: Arthur, Louis, Malcolm, Alfie, Harry, Jamie, Jack, Daniel...oh hang on I'm just naming all of the little boys we know!

TuftyFinch Tue 04-Dec-12 20:17:13

Is this real? naughty boys names? But Middle Class?
The name does not define the behaviour.
Labeling a child as 'naughty' even silently does attribute to 'bad' behaviour.

TuftyFinch Tue 04-Dec-12 20:20:26

Yes but MJ if they expected him to be naughty that may have made him naughty. Or contributed to his behaviour. Names do not make children badly behaved.

AlwaysHoldingOnToStarbug Tue 04-Dec-12 20:24:41

Bingo! Jayden in the first few posts!

My one is not naughty at school. Lazy, yes. Naughty, no.

I hope that being an older Jayden he will have been one of the first his teachers have taught and will have given them a favourable few of the name.

Well, I can hope.

MJandherdog Tue 04-Dec-12 20:27:06

More than likely! Although my dad always liked teaching the Lees and the Jasons...I think they were on the same wavelength!

Certainly up until the age of about 4, I reckon all little boys have got a good healthy dose of 'naughty' in them. It's what makes SMOGs so Smug....

AlwaysHoldingOnToStarbug Tue 04-Dec-12 20:35:41

Favourable view, not few!

MadamFolly Tue 04-Dec-12 20:39:55

I have never met a Connor who wasn't naughty.

Thomas is a name associated with being spirited to me,

My DH's name has been mentioned and he was a right little git up until his late twenties grin

FelicityWasSanta Tue 04-Dec-12 22:08:19

I've met a very sweet Connor. Although to be fair he's only 3! wink

SrirachaGirl Tue 04-Dec-12 22:16:20

The naughtiest little boy I know is called Hayden. He's also the funniest AND the smartest grin.

MumofWombat Wed 05-Dec-12 02:13:31

Not a teacher, but a few years back whenever a small boy was playing up in the shopping centre it felt like you'd hear "Liam, Liam, get back here".
Friends have said today's equivalent are ....den endings, so Jayden, Cayden, Brayden etc. I loved the welsh spelling of Caeden, but DHs cousin used it otherwise I wouldn't have let this tongue in cheek 'naughty' idea put me off. Although with DS legendary ability to ignore 'no' or inability to follow instructions (he is only 19 months) I bet I'll be seeing his name listed in a few years!!

Lebkuchenlover Wed 05-Dec-12 11:30:55

According to a recent poll, Connor & Callum for boys and Courtney and Chelsea for girls.

FellatioBellsOn Wed 05-Dec-12 11:37:32

For some bizarre reason the name Daniel ALWAYS comes up as a naughty boy name. confused

I have known two or three really naughty Camerons, but some good ones as well.

Rhys seems to be a recurrent PITA as well. grin

ILikeRed Wed 05-Dec-12 11:48:32

Without a doubt, every single time

Noah
Callum

doyouwantfrieswiththat Wed 05-Dec-12 11:50:24

My children's names are on the clever & popular lists from smudging's post grin , at last I've done something right as a parent and I don't need to put any more effort into their upbringing!

New scientist used to run a theme called nominative determinism about people whose names matched their professions...I knew of a dentist called Dr Swallow.

doyouwantfrieswiththat Wed 05-Dec-12 11:55:53

oh, on second thoughts perhaps I shouldn't have called my boys Emma and Charlotte. (slaps forehead)

PrincessScrumpy Wed 05-Dec-12 12:00:57

It's not very pc to call them naughty names but seriously I work in a secondary and have met many Jordans and each of them have been truly naughty... one female Jordan too but she was lovely A* pupil so just for boys.

EverlongLovesHerChristmasRobin Wed 05-Dec-12 12:29:00

A middle class naughty boys name.

I've heard it all now.

LadyLetch Wed 05-Dec-12 12:53:54

I think this list is a few years old now...

teachers' views

and just so you don't think it's just the teachers, it seems the psychologists are at it too grin

judgements in business

5madthings Wed 05-Dec-12 13:03:00

ds2 and ds3's names have been mentioned. ds2 has his moments but he is actually a very kind, loving and generous boy. ds3 is an angel at school, polite, kind, hard worker etc. he has his moments at home tho!

i think these threads are a bit crap as well and serve no purpose but they do make parents feel defensive and are just a way at making snide digs tbh.

FelicityWasSanta Wed 05-Dec-12 14:43:30

My name appears quite high up on the popular list!

Couldn't be further from the truth when I was at school though.

Proves its bollocks, but still interesting I think.

CreamOfTomatoSoup Wed 05-Dec-12 16:40:05

Connor
Callum
Louis/Lewis/Lewys
Jack

manicinsomniac Brazil Wed 05-Dec-12 18:38:31

The naughty children in my classes have different names each year. I've only been teaching 6 years but I'm not sure I can think of any particular trends in names.

I've taught well behaved and less behaved examples of lots of these names - in fact some of them are among the most popular names ever so I don't see how they can be all naughty or all beautifully behaved.

Two of the naughty boys in my classes this year have quite unusual names so I won't post them here but the more common names are:
Sam X2
Matthew
James
Ben
Alex
Charlie
Oliver
Aaron

But all those are such common names that it means nothing. There are other boys with all those names in the school who are as good as gold!

zenaprincesswarrior Wed 05-Dec-12 19:29:41

IME Callum, Danial/Daniel, Craig, Rhys, Luke and definitely anyone whose name has been shortened with a y e.g. Danny, Davy, Jonny. As a teacher it makes name name choosing very difficult when just about any name is associated with a lovely 'cherub' you've taught. Luckily I had a girl!

Smudging Wed 05-Dec-12 21:59:11

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

NK493efc93X1277dd3d6d4 Wed 05-Dec-12 22:56:35

Perhaps the parent's names also have a bearing?

Both my kids' names are on here. DS2's in most of the posts. Meh.

TenthMuse Wed 05-Dec-12 23:40:08

I've taught five Brandons over the past few years, all of whom had behavioural problems to a greater or lesser degree. Others that spring to mind are Alfie, Tyler, Reece and Casey. Thomas and Daniel are less obvious ones - those I've taught have tended to be on the 'naughty' side, but I do know a couple of adorable, well behaved ones out of school!

sashh Thu 06-Dec-12 06:59:53

No you shouldn't judge on a name, but some names seem to go with certain behaviour.

It can be quite difficult for teachers to name their own children because it is difficult to disassociate the name from a child you have taught.

IME Jess is a bit of a handfull, Jessica or Jessie, fine, but Jess - nope.

All muslim girls whose names start with 'S' are IME lovely. Bright, polite, considerate.

This is probably due to a group I taught where there were 6 muslim girls, all starting with an 'S', some with very similar names.

The worst thing they ever did was swap headscarves at break to confuse me.

AAron is another lively character, OK on his own but group work brings out the worst, and I would never pair him with Liam.

ohfunnyface Thu 06-Dec-12 07:18:34

I really think that in the 5/6 years I've been in schools, there are too many exceptions for any pattern to be made. Especially given the wide variety of names you find today (and, paradoxically, the frequent mulitiples of names).

You also have to consider the fact that just because one teacher finds a child naughty, another might not. "He/she's fine for me" is a refrain chimed in many a staff meeting- raising the hackles of strung out teachers everywhere!

Naughtiness is intangible, therefore a pointless comparison as we have no universal point of reference. I don't believe any teacher genuinely judges on names- and if they seriously did- they must be shit enough for that aspect of their character to be the least of your worries.

ohfunnyface Thu 06-Dec-12 07:21:59

And for what it's worth- my teacher partner and I chose baby names within an hour of discovering I was pregnant. Easy peasy. Interestingly- neither of us have any behaviour problems in our classes. Maybe that's it.

FellatioBellsOn Thu 06-Dec-12 07:22:22

Are we actually pre-judging on the basis of a name though? I thought we were just sharing our experiences of children we already know who have been naughty, just to see if there is any common thread there. A different thing entirely. I'm not sure any sensible person would seriously decide in advance that a child will turn out to be naughty or clever purely because of its name, although I understand that teachers, particularly, may unwittingly build up patterns/sterotypes. One of those links ^ up there (DM I think) said something along the lines of 'If you name your daughter XYX you run the risk of making her badly behaved.' which is of, course bollocks, and puts the cart before the horse.

FellatioBellsOn Thu 06-Dec-12 07:23:19

sorry that reads as though I think you are either naughty or clever! confused Of course that is also bollocks.

ohfunnyface Thu 06-Dec-12 07:36:59

I agree fallatio- it's one thing to talk about a pattern- it's another to start a seating plan based on it.

PerryCombover Thu 06-Dec-12 07:53:28

Nathan and Jude
Terrible Christopher

I do think people have taken this thread a little too seriously.

DS1 is Jack, mentioned several times on this thread, and I just laughed.

DS1 is almost 13 (birthday is Saturday), and is an angel at school (confirmed by his latest school report), it's at home he can be a little bugger!

grin

CabbageLooking Thu 06-Dec-12 09:37:41

At a school I once taught at, any boy whose name began with J was almost guaranteed to be "challenging". Therefore I have avoided: Josh, Jack, Johnny, Jayden, Jake. Also Connor and Callum. I have found that Tom's are often a little on the mischievous side..... My DS is now a Tom!

BestLaidPlans Thu 06-Dec-12 10:00:07

To rephrase slightly, names I have been been put off using for DC2 if it's a boy because of negative associations with children I've taught (although the children themselves would never guess this):

Jake
Connor
Mason
Josh

Names I'm more fond of because I've taught a few lovely ones:

Sam
Patrick
Kieran
Alex

IslaMann Thu 06-Dec-12 10:09:45

Really? Naughty boy names?

Yet another example of not taking responsibility for poor parenting. "It's not my fault, it's his name/age/where we live. Ooh look, he's pulling the wings off a butterfly, isn't he adorable?"

My Calum is naughty. But he's 3 and his behaviour is no worse than any of his friends. Even the ones with outright posh names! grin

doyouwantfrieswiththat Thu 06-Dec-12 21:28:03

I wonder how many Tarquins there are with ASBOs.....

3b1g Fri 07-Dec-12 07:27:49

PerryCombover: I've never known anyone to give their son the name 'Terrible', but I can see that it would come with certain connotations! grin

rachel234 Fri 07-Dec-12 09:27:37

"Yet another example of not taking responsibility for poor parenting"

Excactly. It is not the name that makes someone naughty. It is their parents/upbringing that allow the naughtiness.

Actually this thread seems to be about people's (in particular teachers') perceptions of children based on their names. It's not actually about whether they are really 'naughty' or not.

Children often rise (or fall) to our expectations. So if you expect Jordan to be naughty, you'll sometimes find that s/he will be. You're also far more likely to notice 'bad' behaviour in a child who you expect to be 'naughty' than you are in children you've categorised (however unconsciously) as 'good' children.

I'm sure we can all remember children from our own classes at school who got away with really awful behaviour because the teachers (or other adults) believed them to be 'good girls' (or boys). In my experience, those particular 'good girls' were often incredibly vile and used the perception of them as 'good' to be really horrible (and then get their victims in to trouble).

So, I don't think anyone's blaming the names. It is very interesting to see what names people associate with naughtiness though.

2 of my DS's names are on these lists, one of them quite a lot, but neither of them have ever been in trouble at school. I do work with a lot of 'naughty' boys (ASD/ADHD)and Brandon seems to crop up a lot, although I think we have pretty much covered every common/popular name at some time ......

And that is the point, all teachers will have taught a load of good Brandon/Jayden/Daniel/Jack/Whatevers too, but it is the more colourful ones who stick in the memory

YulePutTatOnMyChristmasTree Sat 08-Dec-12 15:48:52

I knew Luke would be mentioned on this thread

I have a Luke, are you all his teachers? grin

scrablet Sat 08-Dec-12 16:06:00

Damien tho' for a certain generation (mine) would surely be one to avoid? (the book, the film, the connotations...)

bluer Sat 08-Dec-12 20:04:17

Jordan. I never, ever taught a nice Jordan. They have all been school refusers or truants, cheeky, wild and a total pest.
Doesn't mean that I auto judge when I see the name..I live in hope.
Oh and recently at the Dr there was a eleven year old girl running havoc, knocking over plants, throwing magazines and generally being a brat...when mum did finally shout at her the name made me chuckle...jordana !

blondefriend Sun 09-Dec-12 20:08:14

I feel like I need to apologise before answering but I mentioned this to another teacher just last week. Three students not finished their coursework for me - Josh, Josh and James. All bright, sociable young men but organisation is not their strong point.

I named my son Charlie because all the Charlie's I've taught have been sweet, cheeky and pleasant. Not always the brightest but nice.

As a teacher I couldn't name my own child with the same name as student I've taught that was naughty because I would always associate them with that individual (Callum jumps to mind) but I wouldn't ask other teachers their opinions as I might be left with no names at all.

Astralabe Mon 10-Dec-12 20:59:08

Josh
Jake
Jayden
Jordan
Jack

messybedhead Mon 10-Dec-12 21:16:48

Even my not particularly bright 3 year old (who probably has a naughty name as he is a naughty child himself) has recently told me

'Mum, every single Callum is naughty'.

Sometimes he tells me about naught Callum, but you know, not that naughty Callum, the other one! grin

MrsDeVere Mon 10-Dec-12 21:27:53

I do not buy the 'social economic link'.
It is like saying 'well how can you argue that black people are not more likely to be criminal when so many are pulled over by the police?'

A Jayden and a Kaden and a Finn and a Noah may all be doing the same sort of thing.

Jayden and Kaden are naughty, aggressive and disruptive but Finn and Noah are bright, easily bored and boisterous.

Jayden and Kaden have to behave twice as well as Finn and Noah to avoid being labelled negatively.

Frankly I think there should be an equivalent of Godwin's Law for Freakanomics.

EverlongLovesHerChristmasRobin Mon 10-Dec-12 21:29:55

Well said mrsD

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