A brother for Lois - help!

(94 Posts)
gufflings Wed 14-Nov-12 12:55:10

DP and I are drawing a great big blank trying to agree on a name for our baby boy. He's not due till the end of February, so we have a while to go, but the hunt is starting to drive me a bit nuts. We have zero names on our list! I loved picking a girl's name for DD, but boys' ones just don't grab me in the same way.

DP likes Flynn (Tron fan) but I'm not sold.

I like Bill, but not William (coupled with surname it becomes a wrongly spelled version of a famous American novelist's name) or Billy (silly billy). I also like Eric, but DP has vetoed. And Wilfred (love Wilf) - vetoed. I have a hankering for Marv(in) too, but suspect that's the pregnancy hormones talking (and too many episodes of Charlie and Lola).

We've toyed with Joe and Saul, but neither is 'the one'.

We want something unusual, but not too 'out there', preferably one or two syllables and not ending in -y/-ie. It must suit a baby, teen and man equally well. Plus it needs to go with Lois (and, no, we aren't considering Clark).

Please, bunch of strangers, can you help us out? I really want him to have a name we love as much as our DD's, not a compromise.

Any suggestions gratefully received!

Its obvious isnt it? Clark. grin

I like Flynn or Fin (Findlay)

YDdraigGoch Wed 14-Nov-12 12:58:19

How do you pronouce Lois? Lewee? Lowis? Luwis? Loyce? Or some other way I haven't thought of?

gufflings Wed 14-Nov-12 13:01:40

Findlay is my gran's maiden name, so that has crossed my mind, but it's a very popular name at the mo, plus my auntie bagged it for a middle name for one of my cousins.

gufflings Wed 14-Nov-12 13:02:02

Lois is pronounced 'Low-iss'

sallyhope2 Wed 14-Nov-12 13:02:11

Hamish (Ham)
Rufus (Ru)
Reese (Ree?!)

gufflings Wed 14-Nov-12 13:14:50

Thanks! Keep 'em coming! Will run them past DP when he gets in this evening... :-)

B1ueberryMuff1n Wed 14-Nov-12 13:22:20

Howard (howie)

google porch sitter names. there was a baby book that had names divided into categories. and lois would be the age group she'd describe as a porch sitter. i love the name lois btw. i think it's a hard one to match with a boy's name. as girls names from that era sound imaginative and cool but names like Gordon and Melvin aren't there yet. there being 'here'. or ready for now. :p

ah go on, suggest Clark (Kent) to him. grin

B1ueberryMuff1n Wed 14-Nov-12 13:25:01


gufflings Wed 14-Nov-12 13:30:24

B1ueberryMuff1n, you're defo on the right track. We were talking about Victor last night. Yeah, the male alternatives to Lois (sort of 30s/40s era) are all pretty dire... Ronald, Raymond, Gerald, Eugene... I'm not brave/cruel enough.

WildRumpus Wed 14-Nov-12 13:37:37

Lloyd? I knew an elderly and wonderful couple when I was a child called Lois and Lloyd and always associate the two names. Also like Mervyn as a variation on Marvin. Victor has the right feel to it too.

TiggerWearsATriteSmile Wed 14-Nov-12 13:40:49


B1ueberryMuff1n Wed 14-Nov-12 13:42:48

It's funny, I suggested Saul to you and then saw that you had already come up with that but ruled it out! can you get hold of the babyname wizard book. it suggest sibling names/suggestions. I used it for dc2. I didn't pick one of their exact suggestions but a sibling suggestion for a girl name that was in the same style as my dd's. Good book if you can get hold of it. bit american but still basically a very good resource next to the 'drier' books like penguin dictionary of names.

mungojerrie Wed 14-Nov-12 13:43:15


B1ueberryMuff1n Wed 14-Nov-12 13:43:44

ps i love Victor is so gloriously smug! lol

What about Richie. smug too. :p

RobinSparkles Wed 14-Nov-12 13:46:10

Well if you aren't going to consider Clark you could at least consider Superman!


B1ueberryMuff1n Wed 14-Nov-12 13:47:26

What about Bruce

If you had a Bruce first people might think, oh gosh, unusual.

But a Lois and then a Bruce. It's a style. They work together. I like that.

I also like and you wouldn't need to be so brave, Lois and Bobby

B1ueberryMuff1n Wed 14-Nov-12 13:49:09

Really like Donald as well.

Lois and Donald/ Donny

I know two people with a Lois and a boy. One boy is Joel, one is Toby. So obviously any four letter name with an 'o' as the second letter works!

Gwennan Wed 14-Nov-12 13:56:35

Amos, Asa, Asher, Angus, Aubrey, Basil, Bertram, Bruce, Casper, Caspian, Charles, Clement, Conrad, Crispin, Desmond, Edmund, Edwin, Evander, Ezra, Ewan/Euan/Iwan, Felix, Fergus, Francis (Frank), Fraser, Gene, Gregory, Guy, Hamish, Harold, Hugh, Humphrey, Ivor, Jasper, Jesse, Jolyon, Jonah, Josiah, Julian, Laurence/Lawrence, Martin, Miles, Montgomery, Monty, Otto, Percy, Phineas, Quentin, Raphael, Richard, Robin, Rufus, Rupert, Sidney, Silas, Timothy, Tobias, Trevor, Tristan, Vincent, Walter, Winston

gufflings Wed 14-Nov-12 13:58:00

I do like Lloyd, but just to make things even more complicated, I'd rather avoid the same initial as DD's (don't think my brain cells will cope when it comes to shouting for/at them).

Am on the fence about a first name that alliterates with surname (which begins with B) too, despite liking Bill. So not sure about Bruce... But do like Bobby, despite saying no -y/-ie endings.

See? I am a nightmare!!!

< Googles those baby name books furiously... >

gufflings Wed 14-Nov-12 14:01:28

Donald is FIL's first name - I just can't take it seriously cos of the duck. Do like Joel, but know DP does not... Toby is an ex-boyfriend's name, so would feel weird...

Thanks, guys, you're doing a sterling job!

B1ueberryMuff1n Wed 14-Nov-12 14:02:00

Yeah I was going to suggest Leonard as it's in the same style and kinda cool (thanks to Cohen brothers?) but Lois and Leonard too mcuh.

What did you think of Howard btw?

gufflings Wed 14-Nov-12 14:06:08

Like Howie but not sure about Howard. Plus I call Lois 'Lowie' quite a lot as a NN. I know a baby Leonard. At first I was all, like, really? - but do like Lenny...

(Prepared to bend my rules for the right name!)

If you're happy with the four letters and 'O' thing but not Joel or Toby, then how about Noah?

B1ueberryMuff1n Wed 14-Nov-12 15:12:54

Just looking at lists from 30s and 40s, lots are either the same as today, or totally unusally. A few straddle that line...... but have bolded a few good ones

Vincent / Vinnie
Roland / Roly
Arnold / Arnie too hasta la vista? I like it, sort of. Tentatively.
Douglas / Doogie
Gilbert (really don't like this one but have seen it suggested here a few times so others consider it usuable)
Francis - I like Frankie
Anything that ends in 'is' probably doesn't sound great with Lois. Like Curtis. Curtis might work. It is recognisably from that era but sounds cooler and less nerdy than some of them!

Most of the 1930s names are either classic or don't have the same feel as Lois. The ones you would definitely tie to that same era are just awful, Horace, Delbert, Elmer, Maurice... just spotted curtis which is nice but probably doesn't work with Lois. Lois and Curtis

gufflings Wed 14-Nov-12 15:47:24

CappuccinoCarrie, I do like Noah, but I forgot to add yet another criterion: DP wants to avoid anything religious. (Have countered this argument by explaining to him that Lois was Timothy's grandmother in the Old Testament, but he's not budging.)

B1ueberryMuff1n, I was lobbying for Rudy, but we have a friend with one and DP isn't sure. I like Roly but not Roland (Grange Hill - showing my age). Vinnie reminds me of Vinnie Jones... A friend has used Gene for a middle name for her son - not sure about it to be honest. Agree about the 'is' endings, so Curtis and Francis are out, I think. I do like Curtis though... Maybe a middle name? Jerome has already been vetoed, and Hughie reminds me of Green/Lewis and the News.

What do people think of Ray?

tigrou Wed 14-Nov-12 15:50:35

The Lois I know has a brother Luca

gufflings Wed 14-Nov-12 15:58:40

I really like Luca, but guess what ... DP does not! He is a s*d.

B1ueberryMuff1n Wed 14-Nov-12 16:02:52

Ray is a bit short. I like Raymond and also Redmond with Red as a possible nick name. I am lost in my own World here but Red sounds just the right side of quirky / ludicrous to my ear.

I remember Roly from GH and Hughie Green and of course, Vinnie too, but I think I could get past the associations.

B1ueberryMuff1n Wed 14-Nov-12 16:04:14

Ps, although there's apparently a Lois in the bible it doesn't sound like a bible name, so I wouldn't pair it with a bible name either. (of course it's not down to me, I'm getting too involved in this decision because it's an interesting one grin )

forevergreek Wed 14-Nov-12 16:11:50

Maxian ( max)

gufflings Wed 14-Nov-12 16:13:47

The bible thing was why Joe and Saul were rejected. Will try Raymond and Roland on DP tonight - like the NN Ro. Although then I'd have a Lo and a Ro. Perhaps am overthinking just a teeny bit... Red will forever be a Fraggle to me (albeit a cool one)!

Curtis has got me listening to Move On Up and Superfly now...

gufflings Wed 14-Nov-12 16:16:00

Thanks, forevergreek. Reuben was on the list, not sure now why it came off. Like Elias too. Both fall into the biblical category though, but perhaps DP will be too dim to notice? :-)

B1ueberryMuff1n Wed 14-Nov-12 16:20:14

What about Frankie?

How about...

gufflings Wed 14-Nov-12 16:57:56

Have met a baby Frank. Do like - and NN Frankie. Will float that one too...

DD has a friend called Blake, so feels too close to use. Seth - DP cannot say 'th' (nor can DD, but she's 2 so has an excuse). One reason we're not going for Theo either.

Sorry, but Jonty sounds a bit doggy somehow!

Have bought that Baby Name Wizard book off Amazon too. Surely naming shouldn't be this painful!

forevergreek Wed 14-Nov-12 17:06:01

What about Neo if you liked theo?

gufflings Wed 14-Nov-12 17:08:58

As in The Matrix? Bit too out there for me...

Actually, maybe that's a thought: I should just start trawling sci-fi films, then I might finally find something DP agrees with.

StellaNova Wed 14-Nov-12 17:14:19

Having had Howard and Leonard mentioned am wondering about Sheldon and Raj (just joking - Big Bang Theory)

Sydney (love it or hate it, I think)? Martin (kinda like Marvin)? What's the other brother in Charlie and Lola - oh yeah, Morten.

zxcv123 Wed 14-Nov-12 17:26:39

If you like short names and previously toyed with Joe, can I suggest Jago ("Jay - go"). Fab name. I always thought it was Welsh for James but someone told me recently it's Cornish.

Other shortish / unusual boys' names:


shriekingnora Wed 14-Nov-12 17:43:26


RosannaBanana Wed 14-Nov-12 17:45:01

Love Lois and Frank. Can I also suggest-
Gideon- but is religious
Seth- as above!

minicc Wed 14-Nov-12 17:51:52

Ooooh Lois and Milo sound like they'd be loads of fun! Building dens in the garden and fishing kind of fun!

B1ueberryMuff1n Wed 14-Nov-12 18:23:32

gufflings, what does the book suggest as brother names for lois?

Being american they do categorise names differently from us (slightly)

gufflings Wed 14-Nov-12 20:13:15

B1ueberryMuff1n, will defo let you know when it arrives. Am hoping it holds the answer to our naming woes.

RosannaBanana, I really like Corin, but no one will agree with me.

Minicc, DP likes Milo, but then we have two kids with the same potential NN: Lo.

Jago is cool, but it might be shortened to Jay and then I'm not keen. Knew a really drippy, wingey Jay once...

DP is home and likes Lloyd. Let you know the verdict on the rest!

TheGirlOnTheLanding Wed 14-Nov-12 20:34:21

For some reason Evan and Nathan work well with Lois for me. And Hal (as a NN for Henry or in its own). Is that going too American?

gufflings Wed 14-Nov-12 20:38:19

Nope, not too American. DP likes Hal (2001: Space Odyssey - can you see a theme emerging here?). I do like it, but not keen on Henry and dunno if I could just put Hal on the birth certificate.

We talked about Evan last night and we both like. Will add to the list while I remember...

shriekingnora Wed 14-Nov-12 20:39:08


gufflings Wed 14-Nov-12 20:42:05

Hmmm, doesn't feel like a complete name to me somehow. (Sorry to any Ivo owners out there.)

shriekingnora Wed 14-Nov-12 20:43:23


B1ueberryMuff1n Wed 14-Nov-12 20:47:35

What about Jesse?

I would hesitate to use that myself mind you but I do like it.

gufflings Wed 14-Nov-12 20:48:02

Maybe Jerry...

B1ueberryMuff1n Wed 14-Nov-12 20:48:13


gufflings Wed 14-Nov-12 20:49:00

Love Jesse, but when it came to the crunch I think I'd back out cos it's a bit girly.

B1ueberryMuff1n Wed 14-Nov-12 20:49:25

Jerry short for Jeremy? would prefer Jem.

I think I like quite girly names for boys though. I love Kim for a boy.

gufflings Wed 14-Nov-12 20:49:30

Roscoe almost rhymes with the surname, unfort.

B1ueberryMuff1n Wed 14-Nov-12 20:51:25


stephrick Wed 14-Nov-12 20:54:19

Jago, I really wished I called eldest son this, but we went for Daniel, anyhow Jago is cornish for james.

stephrick Wed 14-Nov-12 20:55:45

pronounced Jaygo

nicecupofteaplease Wed 14-Nov-12 20:55:53

Jago, Arlo

culturemulcher Wed 14-Nov-12 20:58:13

I have a lovely Lois and whisper it wish I'd gone for Oscar for DS. Oscar and Lois, sounds right.

shriekingnora Wed 14-Nov-12 20:59:48

Nathaniel nn Nat?

culturemulcher Wed 14-Nov-12 21:01:44

Also love the Milo suggestion

stephrick Wed 14-Nov-12 21:03:55

Milo is a horlicks drink in Australia

We have a Bill. He's awesome - would definitely recommend! Also like Jim, Ted & Bob. grin

Oh - and Sid.

B1ueberryMuff1n Wed 14-Nov-12 21:13:25

Bill fits the style better.

I like that name.

crazynanna Wed 14-Nov-12 21:20:17

wildrumpus how weird.....they are 2 of my dcs names...Lois and Lloyd

gufflings Thu 15-Nov-12 10:00:18

Oooh ooh, HenriettaChicken, is your Bill a William on his birth certificate? How old is he? Does he like his name? (And does he get called silly Billy?) DCs have a cousin called Jim already, but do like Ted and Bob too.

crazynanna, what are your other DCs' names?

Current list is:
Bill (top fave)
Saul (DP now says it's 'OK')
Wilfred (I just keep it on there in the vain hope...)

Await the Baby Name Wizard book with baited breath...

He's only 7 months, & is William on his birth certificate (but really just to avoid the initials BJ...and just because that's what worked for us) - but no-one except his great grandma calls him that! And silly Billy? No - he hasn't been called that so far! Obviously Primary will be the true test. wink

People think it's a really cool name because so few little ones seem to be called Bill: they're usually Will or Billy. It definitely suits him.

gufflings Thu 15-Nov-12 11:50:44

It IS cool. Good to know there's a little Bill out there. It's definitely top of our list. Suspect it would be William on the BC for us too - even though that'll make him William Burrows... My only reservation (apart from the William Burrows/William Burroughs thing) is that it feels like we'd be forcing his NN upon him, when a NN is normally something that comes about naturally.

Has anyone out there put a diminutive form of a name on a BC? Is Bill enough of a name in its own right, do you think? Not sure...

Hey, Willam Burroughs is a great person to share a name with! We toyed around with other versions of William - Willem/Gwilym/Guillaume/Guillermo for the certificate, but we didn't think that'd really work in no-nonsense South Yorkshire where we live!

And we also know that Bill may come home from school with a new nn Will/Billy/Liam/ please God not Wills or Willy but at home he will always be our Bill!

gufflings Thu 15-Nov-12 12:51:35

Hee hee at the idea of a little Guillermo in South Yorkshire. Likewise want to avoid Wills/Willy at all costs.

Thinking about it, there are loads of diminutive forms of my name, but people don't normally deviate from the shortened form I use (unless bloody-minded/deaf/both).

Just discovered that Lloyd means 'grey' in Welsh, which might be a nice way to honour one of DD's less strange name choices for DS: Gray. William Lloyd Burrows. Hmmm...

tammytoby Thu 15-Nov-12 12:58:21

The problem with having ones nickname start with a different letter to the full name is when you start labelling clothes, sportswear and other school items. Often it is Initial.Surname and then do you use W.Surname or B.Surname.

I think Saul, Victor and Wilfred are MUCH nicer than Will/Willy/Billy imo.

Geargrinder Thu 15-Nov-12 13:05:32

well, I'm considering calling DD2 Lois, and the boy's name we had lined up had DD1 been a boy, was Flynn, so I reckon your DP is on the right track smile

gufflings Thu 15-Nov-12 13:14:07

Geargrinder, how funny! Unfortunately, the first thing my dad said when I mentioned Flynn was 'phlegm', and my sister and I (children of the totally un-PC 70s) can't help thinking 'flid' (massive apologies, I know that's highly offensive, but it was our stupid knee-jerk playground reaction). Obviously kids these days won't use that word, but it bothers me.

The name tag thing, however, doesn't bother me at all. My name begins with R and the NN I go by begins with B. There are thousands of people out there with official names that begin with a different letter to their NN and they aren't walking around starkers...

littletomato Thu 15-Nov-12 13:16:16

Lois & Jack.

MustafaCake Thu 15-Nov-12 13:25:34

Have not read all of thread so sorry if I'm repeating! How about

Lois and Nate

We have a Nate (and we put Nate on the BC rather than Nathaniel, you could do the same with Bill if you choose that)

MustafaCake Thu 15-Nov-12 13:28:30

OMG just read the thread, we have DCs called Nate, Hal and Evan, we must have very similar tastes OP and OP's DH!!

<outs self to world of Mumsnet>


Wallison Thu 15-Nov-12 13:34:09

I like the suggestion of Victor. One of my favourite ever boyfriends was called Victor.

B1ueberryMuff1n Thu 15-Nov-12 15:17:17

I think that one is sure to come back.... it has a more obvious appeal than most of the names from that era.

Wallison Thu 15-Nov-12 16:33:46

It's still very popular in certain parts of Foreign, which is where he is from. Lots of names from that era are - Winston, Victor, Hector, Beatrice, Gladys etc. All of them names for hot young beautiful and exotic people.

B1ueberryMuff1n Thu 15-Nov-12 16:35:16

True, have known a Maltese Victor and a Spanish one. But I know of a couple of children called Victor too. More called Hector though. I prefer Victor. Hector is a bit odd.

B1ueberryMuff1n Thu 15-Nov-12 16:36:19

Certain parts of Foreign? did you mean Europe? confused smile clarify please!!

Wallison Thu 15-Nov-12 16:38:57

I like both tbh but have a soft spot for Victor for the reason above. (He really was absolutely gorgeous) Isn't Hector originally Scottish? The resurgence of all names with Scottish/Irish associations (Liam etc) might be to do with its coming popularity.

LadyofWinterfell Thu 15-Nov-12 16:56:01

A good friend of mine has a Lois and Max.

Love Joel!

William Lloyd Burrows. Great name. smile

WildRumpus Fri 16-Nov-12 13:05:12

Love William Lloyd Burrows (aka Bill). Fantastic name.

gufflings Fri 16-Nov-12 15:42:04

Sorted then! (until we change our minds again...)

Thanks a million, ladies!!

WildRumpus Fri 16-Nov-12 18:19:32


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gufflings Mon 19-Nov-12 21:51:04

Hi folks

Just a quickie in case it helps anyone else out there. The Baby Name Wizard book arrived today. Lois falls into the Solid Citizens category, as does Bill. Lloyd is a Porch Sitter.

Suggested brother names for Lois are: Gordon, Lyle, Raymond, Howard and Roy. Yick...

If you have a Lois and are looking for names for a sister, the book suggests: Jean, Marjorie, Lorraine, Mavis (!) and Betty...

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