(63 Posts)
MissTriangle Tue 13-Nov-12 08:54:53

I am due in 3 weeks with DD2. I am English and DH is Welsh, but we live in England. He is adamant that we use a welsh name this time, as DD1 has a English name that was my choice.
I think we have narrowed it down to 2, just wondering which you prefer.

Seren Elizabeth
Eleri Jane


CombustionEngine Tue 13-Nov-12 09:12:21

Eleri Jane is lovely!

picnicbasketcase Tue 13-Nov-12 09:12:57

Both lovely but I prefer Seren smile

sweetkitty Tue 13-Nov-12 09:16:54

Both are lovely but I prefer Seren, DD4 was going to have Seren as a middle name after my MIL but she was a he.

kenanddreary Tue 13-Nov-12 09:19:13

Definitely prefer Seren Elizabeth.

Eleri makes me think of celeri.

Ebb Tue 13-Nov-12 09:30:48

Seren Elizabeth is lovely.

MissTriangle Tue 13-Nov-12 09:34:01

I am a bit worried about Eleri being mispronounced and ending up sounding like celery. It is said El-air-ey, but I guess Seren is a safer option as you can't go much wrong with that.

badtime Tue 13-Nov-12 10:02:01

Actually, I've never heard anyone saying 'Seren'. I would pronounce it 'Serren', but I don't know if it should be 'Se-REHN' or even 'Sear-en'.

I prefer Eleri.

Leeds2 Tue 13-Nov-12 10:07:59

I like both.

The only Eleri I have known was pronounced to sound like "celery" though, which was what her parents intended.

sleeplessinderbyshire Tue 13-Nov-12 10:21:38

I like both but prefer seren (my DD2 is also called Seren though as I have a wlesh husband)

Cezella Tue 13-Nov-12 10:33:08

Seren is pronounced Se-ren with both es being pronounced as in "egg". Eleri doesn't exactly rhyme with celery but its a very close sound- just a bit welsher. I would say that an English person pronouncing it as celery would be doing a very good job at getting the correct sound.

Snowflakepie Tue 13-Nov-12 10:41:45

I like both! I think seren is probably better known in England but if you want Eleri pronounced a certain way then people will soon learn!

BobbiFleckmann Tue 13-Nov-12 10:43:38

LOVE Seren.

Dontbesodramatic Tue 13-Nov-12 10:44:37

I really like both but like Seren that little bit more.

FriggFRIGG Tue 13-Nov-12 10:49:08


Ebb Tue 13-Nov-12 10:51:43

You sound a bit disappointed that people seem to prefer Seren? smile If you love/prefer Eleri then you should go with that.

campergirls Tue 13-Nov-12 11:08:54

An English person pronoucing Eleri as celery would NOT be doing a good job! Stress in 'celery' falls on the first syllable, in Eleri it's on the second. That makes a big difference.

MissTriangle Tue 13-Nov-12 11:15:14

Thanks for your comments everyone.
Ebb, I don't mean to be disappointed at all as I do love both names. But OH really wants to use Jane as a middle name after his gran who recently passed away. (DD1 has my grans name as a middle name) but I don't like Seren Jane! I think they almost flow into one another to make one word.
But Seren Elizabeth sounds good.

Pasiphae Tue 13-Nov-12 11:17:46

Eleri Jane is so nice, though.
Seren seems to be the Welsh girl name of the moment. Eleri is different and with Jane, it looks rather elegant.

Ebb Tue 13-Nov-12 11:29:08

Could you use two middle names Seren Eleri Jane?

BarbecuedBillygoats Tue 13-Nov-12 11:31:14


That and Eira were on my list

Alisvolatpropiis Tue 13-Nov-12 11:44:52

I rather like Eleri,it's more unusual than Seren in Wales by a mile! Or it is where I live. Seren is becoming this decades Megan.

goralka Tue 13-Nov-12 11:46:27

sorry I don't like Seren it is Welsh chav-tastic

goralka Tue 13-Nov-12 11:49:59

Eleri is lovely but in England I am afraid it will rhyme with celery and be annoying.
How about Manon? Such a pretty name....?

Cherrypieplum Tue 13-Nov-12 11:53:03

Both are lovely but Seren is very popular (though not chavvy based on the many,many Serens I know).

I would reiterate that Eleri is nothing like celery!
El-air-ee. Beautiful and I wanted it for my DD but hubby couldn't say it. It has potential for being mangled. A colleague in work often misprounced the name and set my teeth on edge!

squoosh Tue 13-Nov-12 11:55:18

An Eleri living in England will get many celery gags. Even pronounced correctly it sounds like 'hilarious'.

'That Eleri is 'ilarious.'

maxmillie Tue 13-Nov-12 11:58:56

i really like both. I really don't think kids gets teased about their names anymore - there is simply so much variety out there now, with lots more childeren for diifferent countries that it all seems normal.

My dc often come home and mention children with names that make me do a double take, and they don't bat an eyelid.

flossyfloo Tue 13-Nov-12 12:02:24

Eleri will definitely get pronounced wrong is England and she will forever be correcting people. It's a shame cos it's a lovely name.

I liked Seren about 5 years ago when it wasn't so well known but it is overused now. Well, it is in Wales, but I guess not so much over the border and at least English people will be able to pronounce it.

I like the suggestion of Manon above, I also like Mali (even though you weren't asking for any other names to be added to your list!) smile

Alisvolatpropiis Tue 13-Nov-12 12:03:10

Why is there so much critiscm of Welsh names? Nobody says the same kind of things about Gaelic or Asian names.

On the names front,the only person I ever knew to get bullied for his name was called Daniel. Yes,Daniel. He was a couple of years older than me in primary school and people called him "Daniel,Daniel cocker spaniel" (He had big ears) He used to get very upset. Who'd have thought that Daniel was a name you could be tease with?

FellatioNelson Tue 13-Nov-12 12:06:15

I think they are both lovely but they get mentioned A LOT on MN these past couple of years. I think a Welsh and Cornish trend is taking over from the Scots/Irish trend of the past 15 years, and you can expect both those names to be very popular to the point of ubiquitous soon. If that does not matter to you then go for it - they are both very pretty.

goralka Tue 13-Nov-12 12:06:53

nobody has criticised these names for being Welsh, just given their opinion, as asked.

FellatioNelson Tue 13-Nov-12 12:07:53

It will only get the celery gags while it remains unusual - once they start to filter into playgroups and schools people will get used to the name and know how to spell/say it.

flossyfloo Tue 13-Nov-12 12:08:41

Other Welsh names that would work in England are
Catrin (although may get called Catherine instead)
Elin (but may have to spell it constantly)

Sorry, tell me to shut up if you don't want any more suggestions!

squoosh Tue 13-Nov-12 12:11:06

I think you're being oversensitive, there is no anti Welsh agenda. Every name on this forum comes in for a bashing, be a that a mini bashing or a mega bashing.

People are giving honest opinion, that's all.

MissTriangle Tue 13-Nov-12 12:56:20

Thanks for your opinions- I wanted honest ones so am happy enough. Other suggestions are welcome too. Will suggest them to DH to see what he thinks. DD1 was very nearly called Carys Anwen before I changed my mind, so there are other welsh names I like.
I didn't realise that Seren was so popular TBH, I know one who is 2 but that's it. But then again we are in England.
I think I would kick myself in years to come if DD2 was teased and called a stick of celery. (although i guess it could be a hell lot worse!) but she might not be...
Names are so hard!

squoosh Tue 13-Nov-12 12:58:04

Carys is so pretty.

EMS23 Tue 13-Nov-12 13:02:07

I have an 8 week old Seren. I live in South Wales and it is very popular but I don't mind that. I think it's a beautiful name.
It's not considered chavvy here (I researched that - ie did a thread on MN asking if it is and the majority said no, it's not!!).

Cezella Wed 14-Nov-12 00:22:24

Where I live in North Wales, there are lots of Eleris- I know seven and nine of them place emphasis on the El-air-i as someone up thread said. I'm not disputing that it could be one way of pronouncing it but in this (very welsh) area- Eleri is a lot closer to celery than El-air-i although its not quite either

Cezella Wed 14-Nov-12 00:22:45

Sorry that's meant to say none of them not nine of them

Cwtchbach Wed 14-Nov-12 09:24:35

I love Eleri but I don't understand the celery thing? It sounds nothing like celery. It's more like to be Fairy Eleri which is nice smile

Alisvolatpropiis Wed 14-Nov-12 10:27:06

I went to schools with an Eleri...she said El-air-ri. Don't think anyone ever batter an eyelid at her name. This was in in Wales,though not a Welsh speaking area.

Cezella Wed 14-Nov-12 10:44:19

When you think about it there are lots of names that rhyme or sound like unfortunate words- Millie/Billy/Lily- silly, Ruby- booby, Maud- bored just to name a few- it shouldn't put you off at all I don't think think because I've never seen a Lily or a Ruby being bullied for their names!

Cezella Wed 14-Nov-12 10:49:15

Also, I take back what I said- it doesn't sound like celery. I think sometimes it's very hard to explain Welsh pronunciation online without sounding out the words. And I live in such a welsh area, we talk welsh so quickly you wouldn't hear the emphasis on the El-air-i

So, apologies it doesn't sound like celery I just struggle to explain the welsh sounds online! It's a very pretty name

Alisvolatpropiis Wed 14-Nov-12 10:53:59

I know what you mean,Cezalla. My Taid is Northwalian and his family still there sound very differebt to us in the South when speaking English.

North Wales Welsh is also different to South Wales,the actual words I mean.

So accents could be making names sound different,case in point,Eleri. smile

deemented Wed 14-Nov-12 11:43:32

I love Eleri - and was always told 'It's Eleri as in canary, not Eleri as in Celery'

CelticPromise Wed 14-Nov-12 11:51:38

I love Eleri. Too many Serens. People can get Seren wrong too, lots of people sort of say SERun which isn't right.

My DS has a very Welsh name and we live in England. People do get it wrong, but I love the name and I don't mind correctingpeople.

missingmymarbles Wed 14-Nov-12 16:20:48

We have a Seren. We live in England. I gather it is popular but it's so pretty we didn't care. We don't know any other Serens, which may have made a difference to us, if we did, but we love it. I liked Eleri as well but DH couldn't get past some rugby player called Eleri, just sayin' confused

Cezella Wed 14-Nov-12 16:29:48

Agreed about the pronunciation on the Seren too- it's not an "un" sound on the end at all- so you can't really presume people will get that right either, I guess it comes down to whether it bothers you or not

The only reason I even know Seren as a name is cos it's a friend's screen name - mind you DD is 8 now so I'm not au fait with current baby name trends. And yes, on pronunciation I always want to put the stress on the second syllable in Seren and I KNOW it's wrong but I want to do it anyway. And prior to this thread I'm afraid I would pronounce Eleri to rhyme with celery, although I don't think that it rhymed with celery would actually have occurred to me ... of course I am not a child looking for a silly nickname for another child.

I actually think that Seren Jane works well - unless you're someone who goes around calling their child by their full name on a regular basis it doesn't really matter anyway, unless it sounds truly unfortunate.

My aunt is called Hilary, and her good friend from school was Eleri - they went travelling around France when they were younger and is caused enough confusion that it's still an amusing family story!

Which is a roundabout way of saying that the two can be quite easily confused I suppose...

notallytuts Wed 14-Nov-12 16:43:01

i love them both! I think Eleri just about wins for me though

If you prefer Seren, but don't want Seren Jane, what about Seren Eleri Jane? The Eleri in the middle breaks up the seren and the jane nicely

Personally I'm finding Seren Eleri incredibly hard to say, it sounds like I'm drunk and trying to say 'necessarily'!

missingmymarbles Wed 14-Nov-12 17:42:34

grin at Don'tcallmebaby

onessa Wed 14-Nov-12 18:29:36

Beth am Seren Elspeth? Seren Sian?

MissTriangle Wed 14-Nov-12 20:19:00

Thanks for your comments. I really don't know which I prefer - and it does seem really mixed on here. At least most people tend to like them though.
I know one Seren but no Eleri's so neither are that popular round here. Saying that though we are moving in a few months, so who knows.
Oh well, still have 2 1/2 weeks to decide! Eeek!

1978andallthat Wed 14-Nov-12 22:49:22

I like Eleri.

dearcathyandclare Wed 14-Nov-12 22:58:39

Both lovely but I prefer Eleri, but be prepared for lots of El, Ellie later down the line especially if living in England. How about Carys as it can't be shortened?

Ilovecake1 Fri 16-Nov-12 20:17:21

No...I really wouldn't go with Seren! Eleri is a classy welsh name, Seren just isn't that!

Gwennan Fri 16-Nov-12 21:19:14

Seren is in the top 10 in Wales, ranking as the 6th most popular name (221 baby girls). If you include England too, Seren is the 127th most popular girls name in England and Wales (459 baby girls in total). That means more girls are called Seren in England than Wales but certainly in some parts of Wales there is a fairly high concentration of them!

I think Seren sounds very pretty and has a lovely meaning but it's very faddy, in my opinion, so I'd probably pick Eleri instead.

mammyof5 Fri 16-Nov-12 21:33:39

i wanted to call one of my dd Seren but i couldnt say it properly according to my first language welsh partner it sounds lovely with a welsh accent which i dont have.

so we went for Mari little bit to much like marie for my liking but Haf was my other choice but i was worried about how it would work if she left wales.

as long as you and your oh love it thats all that matters

I know half a dozen Serens - we are in England but verrrry near the welsh border. This side of the border, it is 'non-chavvy' (and I hate myself for using
that). The other side it is more chavvy (eugh, sorry again).

I like it, and it's a pretty name, but it's pronounced like 'seven' by almost everyone I know.

I love Eleri a lot, but I know I say it like celery, which is wrong. I wish I had a welsh accent so I could make it sound right!

ItsNotUnusualToBe Fri 16-Nov-12 22:52:31

Eleri rhymes with Mary, however you say that.

We say it to rhyme with canary (which I hadn't realised until this thread) but its also pronounced o rhyme with hairy scary fairy

I know that's how it's pronounced, it just doesn't feel right! Or maybe it's just my accent that butchers it smile

When I say it properly, it makes me think 'lairy' sad

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