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It's all balls, bicycles, and babies for the PESH!

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evilgiraffe Fri 27-Jun-14 15:39:25

Antenatal fred for BESH graduates


Faith - pinky faithlet arrived 14th April 2013
Pinkr - suitably pinky one arrived 25th August 2013
Jethro - blue one arrived 23rd September 2013
Noks - pink one arrived 12th January 2014
Frankel - large pink one arrived 10th March 2014
Merks - pink one landed safe and sound 21st March 2014
Sinky - Stubborn blue one arrived 26th March 2014
Driz - blue one arrived 12th June 2014
Kat - pink one arrived 21st June 2014


Draf - Expecting a late pink one EDD 19th June
Winks - EDD 26th June
Ginger - Miniginger due 13th August
Dor - A very special pink one expected 18th August
Euro - eager Centime expected to arrive a lot sooner than 28th August
Buggerlugs - Buglet due 20th October
Fankle - ESHlet expected 4th January
Cunty - Minichops expected 7th February

So the June cluster is halfway through laying, and then we're on to the July/August batch! Are we even going to have time for Wimbledon and Le Tour and the World Cup in all this excitement?!


SinkyMalinks Fri 27-Jun-14 15:57:05

Luffly new fred Draf.

R is being a little mentalist at present and, sadly, still thinks sleep is for losers. Hence not posting. All time is spent placating the mini monster.

FrankelandFilly Fri 27-Jun-14 16:03:34

Well done Draf, I did wonder if you would do what I did and start labour in one fred and finish it in another!

Boo to the lack of sleep Sinks, E will only cat nap during the day but thankfully she is still sleeping well at night so I can't complain.

So, are we placing bets on whether Draf or Winks will pop next? wink

SinkyMalinks Fri 27-Jun-14 17:05:40

Hiya frank. I'll say Draf as I was gutted every day past my edd!


evilgiraffe Fri 27-Jun-14 17:27:10

grin I am hoping tomorrow's sweep gets things going... I don't want to run on into July! Nothing against July, it's just in my head this is a Junebaby...

<sends sleepy thoughts to R>

GingerScouse Fri 27-Jun-14 18:33:27

Well done on new fred Draf.

I'm quite glad we're avoiding Le Tour, even though it's really close. Just all the prep has really pissed me off for some reason and I'm sick of it!

evilgiraffe Fri 27-Jun-14 19:16:37

I'm the complete opposite - so excited for the TdF! Wish people would shut up about Wiggins, though, he's not the only Brit with a chance and he's been acting like a petulant child for the last month too. I'm all about Mark Cavendish and his twinkly eyes grin

JethroTull Fri 27-Jun-14 19:29:01

Marking my lurking place!

Draf I'm with you on the excitement levels for TDF.

eurochick Fri 27-Jun-14 20:11:48

I only realised today that the Tour is coming through London where it is going to cause absolute bloody chaos as it will come through on a weekday . I will pop out and see it if I'm not having a baby then!

R clearly needs one of these, sinky www.amazon.com/SR-Sleep-Babygrow-Organic-Carton/dp/B00ED2UCR2

evilgiraffe Fri 27-Jun-14 20:20:37

Yep, euro, on Monday 7th - the same stage that starts in Cambridge! I'm still vainly hoping to be able to see the start - you could go to the Mall and catch the end!

FrankelandFilly Fri 27-Jun-14 20:30:36

I'm still debating about whether I'll go and watch them in Cambridge, I'm not really a fan but it's one of those things you like to say you've seen. Getting into Cambridge will be a right arse though.

katandkits Fri 27-Jun-14 20:31:05

Marking my place on new Fred. About to go to bed early in vain hope of getting sleep. Little kitten is a nocturnal party animal. She has slept most of the day so it isn't looking so promising for tonight!

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FriendofDorothy Fri 27-Jun-14 22:04:46

Checking in.

Had a busy day and I am cream crackered!

evilgiraffe Sat 28-Jun-14 11:03:04

Sweep in two hours. Eeeeeek!

GingerScouse Sat 28-Jun-14 11:36:18

Good luck draf! Hopefully it will start everything off!

FrankelandFilly Sat 28-Jun-14 11:38:59


FrankelandFilly Sat 28-Jun-14 11:40:25

Good luck Draf, I've been trying to get on MN for ages to wish you well but bloody BT has been down for about 2 hours angry

eurochick Sat 28-Jun-14 11:55:37

Good luck draf!

After a better day yesterday I am having a bit of a relapse today. I'm slowly coming to terms with the section, but still so, so worried about the baby. Next scan is on Monday and I hope it shows good growth to give centime a better chance on the outside. Drs so far have reckoned the most likely drop zone is 32-34 weeks, and I hit 32 weeks on Thursday. I'm pretty terrified.

FrankelandFilly Sat 28-Jun-14 14:26:58

How did the sweep go Draf? Have you had that baby yet? wink <runs for the hills>

Euro up and down days are to be expected. I wish I could offer you words of comfort but worry that anything I say will sound patronising. Needless to say I'm thinking of you and centime.

evilgiraffe Sat 28-Jun-14 14:34:01

Baby now 3/5 palpable - improvement, hurrah! Cervix too closed for sweep though. Induction booked for Monday... shock

FrankelandFilly Sat 28-Jun-14 14:55:48

Eek that's soon Draf shock how does it feel to know that in a few days you'll get to meet your baybee?

eurochick Sat 28-Jun-14 16:57:23

Thanks frank. I need to ban myself from the internet (other than MN, I think). I read a study this morning that said that 50% of babies with the blood flow issue at the level I have it or worse are stillborn or die shortly after birth. It put me in a right funk, as you might imagine. I'm being well-monitored so that shouldn't be our outcome, but it's hard not to worry.

I've been trying to cheer myself up by unpacking some of our many internet orders that we panic bought when this issue first came to light. So the isofix base and car seat are now in the car (far too early to need that, but it gave us something to do) and we've been practising with our wrap (photo on t'other place). I feel a bit better now. And we're heading off to the cinema in a bit to watch 22 Jump St to try to make ourselves laff.

eurochick Sat 28-Jun-14 16:58:53

Draf you are entering the drop zone. How exciting. smile

FrankelandFilly Sat 28-Jun-14 17:20:27

Oh euro it's hard not to Google but you must try not to. I'd suspect in a lot of those cases the issue was not diagnosed until very late on in the pregnancy and t'interweb is always full of the worst case stories as the ones with a good outcome are too boring. To counter your statistics I will tell you that my googling has thrown up a figure of 95% of babies born at 30 weeks will be just fine. So your being 32 weeks already gives you an even better figure.

I saw the picture in t'other place. Suits you smile

evilgiraffe Sat 28-Jun-14 20:22:40

Good points, frank. Also worth bearing in mind that although these women and babies might be having the same blood flow issues as you, euro, you don't know how similar/different they are in other respects. There are so many variables to consider, and you and centime are in good health otherwise so that's all positive. Going out to see a comedy seems like a good plan as well - distraction is your friend smile

The whole idea of actually having a baybee seems utterly barmy, frank - going to hospital etc all makes sense, but going into labour? Getting a person?! Surely not! grin

FrankelandFilly Sun 29-Jun-14 11:59:21

How was the cinema Euro? How are you feeling today?

Draf are you all packed and ready for tomorrow?! It's very exciting!

Hope our new ESHlets and their mums are doing well, Kat and Drizz.

Winks, if you're still lurking hope all is well with you.

My parents arrive later today, they're staying till Friday so it'll be nice to have some company in the house. HWHNN was very excited to tell me last night that he met BBC reporter Bill Turnbull who's out in Afghan reporting on the closure of Camp Bastian. Bless him!

FrankelandFilly Sun 29-Jun-14 21:51:55

Quiet round here today. Hope everyone is doing ok.

Draf, wishing you lots of luck and sneeze-birth thoughts for tomorrow. I'm at Addenbrookes again tomorrow morning for boob clinic, so might see you there!

evilgiraffe Sun 29-Jun-14 21:55:38

Ooo, him off BBC breakfast? Very exciting grin

Nearly packed here, but no rush as I don't have to call to find out when to go in until the afternoon. Doesn't look like I'm going to go into spontaneous labour before then either, grr. Oh well. Bedtime in a minute, but I can't imagine I'm going to sleep too well - the fear is starting to set in. <tries to engage rational side>

Fankletastic Sun 29-Jun-14 22:02:38

Hello! Found the new fred and dropped by to wish Draf luck for tomorrow.

Euro hope you're bearing up ok and glad the unwrapping of new purchases has cheered you up a bit.

As for me, I'm still getting awful right side rib pain and wondering wtf it is! Am mostly seeing ligament/muscular stretching as possible reasons on dr google but also saw wind! I'd surely know if it was wind though, wouldn't i? It's enough to make me take a couple of paracetomol and it seems to happen when I'm walking about. It's bloody annoying!

TheOriginalWinkly Mon 30-Jun-14 07:40:27

Good luck today draf, did you manage to get any sleep?

FrankelandFilly Mon 30-Jun-14 08:07:19

Massive good luck to you today Draf hoping for excellent news later today/ tomorrow.

eurochick Mon 30-Jun-14 09:47:05

Massive good luck for later, draf.

frank you're right that survival rates are very good at this gestation (albeit with a fair percentage of learning difficulties or sight/hearing problems). It's not the gestation per se that's the issue now - I've made it a month since the first dodgy scan at 28 weeks and chances are much better now. The risk is more that they get the balancing act wrong and centime stays in too long, and gets deprived of oxygen. I have another scan in a couple of hours and I have a feeling that they might say this is it.

I saw the Bill Turnbull report on BBC Breakfast a couple of days ago.

I hope you have a lovely time with your parents.

22 Jump St is quite puerile but LOL funny with it. I'd recommend it if any of you need cheering up at any point! That helped. And then yesterday we went to visit BIL & SIL. A day with cute niece and some doggy cuddles helped. The fear returned on the way back, but it took my mind off it for a while.

SinkyMalinks Mon 30-Jun-14 09:56:59

Hope induction is quick and sneeze like Draf.

Euro - centime has done brilliantly to get so far - like you say, the outcome difference at 32 compared to 28 is massive. Please let us know how the scan goes.

FrankelandFilly Mon 30-Jun-14 11:04:21

Hope the scan goes well euro, I'm keeping everything crossed they say centime can stay in a bit longer.

Well, boob clinic done - I've been discharged! Hurrah! They said everything seems fine now but have put an "SOS" on my notes so that if I do phone with a problem they will give me an emergency appointment. Big sigh of relief.

TheBuggerlugs Mon 30-Jun-14 11:53:36

Hey Hags. Just marking my spot. Will catch up fully after some sleep.


katandkits Mon 30-Jun-14 12:59:03

Good luck draf! Hope it all goes well. Sending sneezy thoughts your way smile

Hope scan goes well euro. 32 weeks is so much better than 28 but would be great if they can get you an extra couple of weeks, apparently lungs are better developed by 34 weeks. Although if you've had the steroid thing that might be less of an issue.

First day solo with two children. Not had nervous breakdown yet. Had cake for lunch.

katandkits Mon 30-Jun-14 13:02:38

Good luck draf! Hope it all goes well. Sending sneezy thoughts your way smile

Hope scan goes well euro. 32 weeks is so much better than 28 but would be great if they can get you an extra couple of weeks, apparently lungs are better developed by 34 weeks. Although if you've had the steroid thing that might be less of an issue.

First day solo with two children. Not had nervous breakdown yet. Had cake for lunch.

katandkits Mon 30-Jun-14 13:02:38

Good luck draf! Hope it all goes well. Sending sneezy thoughts your way smile

Hope scan goes well euro. 32 weeks is so much better than 28 but would be great if they can get you an extra couple of weeks, apparently lungs are better developed by 34 weeks. Although if you've had the steroid thing that might be less of an issue.

First day solo with two children. Not had nervous breakdown yet. Had cake for lunch.

TheBuggerlugs Mon 30-Jun-14 13:15:42

Right, I feel human enough the catch up now.....

Draf good luck today. Hope you have a lovely sneeze like birth.

Euro good luck for the scan. I've actually thought about you a lot this weekend.

I've been away with the girls this weekend and I've had a totally wonderful time but I have never felt so worn out in my life. I've had a snooze but have taken tomorrow off work as I know I'll be a bit of a zombie for quite some I

TheBuggerlugs Mon 30-Jun-14 13:38:24

Oooh I forgot to mention that I'm 24 weeks today grin

TheOriginalWinkly Mon 30-Jun-14 14:30:43

Hoping your scan goes well euro. These last 4 weeks must have been the longest of your life.

evilgiraffe Mon 30-Jun-14 14:37:45

Thanks for the good wishes! Rang hospital, they say "come in whenever you're ready". Packing now done, so I guess I'm off... See you all on the other side shock

evilgiraffe Mon 30-Jun-14 14:38:37

And obviously best of luck with your scan, euro smile

FrankelandFilly Mon 30-Jun-14 14:42:35

Yay Draf, off you go to get your baybee grin

Congrats on the milestone Bugs, it's a good one to reach.

eurochick Mon 30-Jun-14 14:52:37

frank it's great that they have discharged you.

bugs you're at viability! Hurrah.

kat how is flying solo?

You're absolutely right - the next target is 34 weeks (I'm 31+4 today) - that would be great because as you say the lungs are more mature then and they have a much better chance of being able to breastfeed as the sucking reflex kicks in around then apparently.

The upshot of today's scan is that the baby is still growing, although it has lost a few more centiles (the long bones are still around the 50th centile but the head and abdomen are down at around the 10th). Weight is estimated at 1505g, so still teeny tiny, but a long way from the 960g at the 28 week scan that caused all the panic. After deterioration over the past 3 scans, the blood flow hadn't got any worse today, so that is a relief. So no steroids yet, next scan on Thursday. They are going to continue monitoring the blood flow twice weekly, and I'll have another growth scan in a fortnight if I get that far. So all in all, it's a bit of a repieve. I was so sure that they were going to say the blood flow had deteriorated again and they needed to get centime out. So like all scans, I will feel calm for the next day and then the panic will gradually set in again!

And GOOD LUCK draf!

SinkyMalinks Mon 30-Jun-14 17:22:22

Glad the scan brought some reassuring news euro - centime is little, but growing and it's great that the blood flow is no worse. Your team must be relatively reassured that delivery isn't immediately imminent if you've not had steroids yet?

In me news, R took a bottle today! A measerly 1oz, but a step in the right direction!

eurochick Mon 30-Jun-14 17:55:03

Thanks Sinky. The steroids are apparently of maximum benefit if the baby is born within 24 hrs and 7 days of having them, so they don't want to give them too early.

That's great news about the bottle!

JethroTull Mon 30-Jun-14 22:21:03

Ooooh good luck Draf

Glad scan brought some positive news Euro. Crossing everything for 34 weeks.

FrankelandFilly Mon 30-Jun-14 22:48:18

Glad the scan was positive Euro, I know that my previous post about gestations was generic! but I guess I was trying to say that you can find anything on the inter web if you use the right search terms. I'm glad you're feeling a bit better about things now and I'm keeping everything crossed you can make it to 34 weeks.

Hope you're comfy Draf and that the Addenbrookes folk are looking after you. I walked through the Rosie as I left the hospital this morning and had a smile to myself as I thought you'd be having your baybee there very soon.

In other news, my bestie had a show last night, she's 3 days overdue so hopefully E will have a new playmate in the next few days grin

katandkits Tue 01-Jul-14 10:00:59

Popping in to wave pom poms for draf! Hope you are enjoying snuggles today smile

eurochick Tue 01-Jul-14 10:18:15

frank you were absolutely right about the stats and those numbers are exactly what me and KFZK use to try to reassure ourselves that it will be ok if centime comes early. Sometimes the menkul takes over though, and I can't help thinking about the worst case scenarios.

How exciting about E's future playmate. When we visited BIL and SIL at the weekend, SIL explained to our 4 yr old niece that there was a baby cousin in my bump and she gave it a big hug. Awwww. I never had any cousins, so it's lovely that centime will.

So, do we think the draf has a foal yet? <waves pom poms>

FrankelandFilly Tue 01-Jul-14 13:10:38

One thing Addenbrookes is crap with is free WiFi and general mobile ooh be signal, so she could well just not be able to contact us. Naturally I'm assuming we're her top priority wink

I understand the menkul Euro, I can't begin to comprehend how you and KFZK are feeling about it all. I just didn't want to come across as an arse with my "statistics say everything will be fine" stuff smile

TheBuggerlugs Tue 01-Jul-14 15:19:25

Afternoon Hags. Hope everyone is well. I've taken today off to recover from the weekend yet have only just sat down. Maybe I need tomorrow off to recover from today?!

My mum has finally accepted the baybee is happening and started shopping. My Aunt has already bought most of baby Gap and Mothercare smile

Draf I'm sending you happy quick birth thoughts.

FriendofDorothy Tue 01-Jul-14 15:38:16

I am horribly snotty and feel like I have a head full of cold custard. I am missing decongestants!

FrankelandFilly Tue 01-Jul-14 20:05:19

Sorry you're feeling rough Dor, summer colds are no fun at the best of times! never mind when up the duff.

Any news Draf??!!! <paces room expectantly> wink

GingerScouse Tue 01-Jul-14 20:12:40

I know the feeling Dor - my hay fever is doing my nut in.

<prepares pom poms for draf>

TheBuggerlugs Tue 01-Jul-14 20:52:21

Hags when did your indigestion/ heartburn start? I've bent over twice today and over the weekend and felt acid sick in my mouth <vom>

FrankelandFilly Tue 01-Jul-14 21:10:20

I can't remember when mine started but I did get through a lot of Gaviscon! I had a bottle at home (peppermint, not original flavour) and carried the tablets around in my handbag. If it gets really bad you can get a prescription for Gaviscon from your GP.

BTW, they usually say heartburn = hairy baby grin

TheBuggerlugs Tue 01-Jul-14 21:17:04

I'm running short of the enteric coated aspirin I take so I'm going to see if I can get some Gaviscon from the drs at the same time. I've eaten my tea and feel quite uncomfortable. I'm drinking peppermint tea but it's not quite cutting it. I've got some Gaviscon liquid sachets but only a few so I figure I'll make the most of free prescriptions whilst I can.


FriendofDorothy Tue 01-Jul-14 21:53:25

Free prescriptions. I wish!

eurochick Tue 01-Jul-14 22:18:28

Me too Dor. I've sent the form off twice now (the first time back in Jan/Feb) and never received the blooming certificate!

FriendofDorothy Tue 01-Jul-14 22:34:23

We don't even have them over here sad

TheBuggerlugs Tue 01-Jul-14 22:47:52

But you have beaches and the sun. I may get free drugs but I'd prefer the sun. grin

My mum came for tea and brought some very cute clothes for Buglet, an Italian leather handbag from her holibibs and an offer to buy the cot that we want.

I had hellish heartburn and a hairy baby! Started around 28 weeks I think

eurochick Wed 02-Jul-14 07:10:32

I've had no heartburn at all so far so I guess I must be expecting a bald one!

FrankelandFilly Wed 02-Jul-14 07:49:44

Cough, check t'other place grin

TheBuggerlugs Wed 02-Jul-14 08:03:15

Excellent news. Congrats Draf and HOTB grin

I've just taken my dog out and almost had to crawl home due to ligament pain. I'm supposed to be walking 2 miles on Sunday (up hill) to get to a venue we've booked to watch the TDF from......I'm now thinking Its maybe not the best idea.

SinkyMalinks Wed 02-Jul-14 08:27:25

Bugs, I had horrendous heartburn (and it's not totally gone away - but that might be because I'm still a bit fat). Rennies orange are brill to a point. I got omeprazole from the dr in the end- meant I could sleep without siting upright and didn't have constant acid burn!

Btw, R is not hairy - just a bit of strawberry blond fuzz!

TheBuggerlugs Wed 02-Jul-14 09:10:46

I can't help feeling that I'm suffering a bit earlier than I should though although I've had a big growth spurt over the weekend. I feel very sorry for myself today.

TheOriginalWinkly Wed 02-Jul-14 09:34:50

Has draf laid pls?

TheBuggerlugs Wed 02-Jul-14 09:59:52

Yes, a girl last night via the sunroof. All is well with her and baybee.

TheOriginalWinkly Wed 02-Jul-14 10:02:08

Hooray, well done draf smile

That leaves me at the top of the list I think, though at 40+6 this baby is showing no signs of having any desire to be born hmm

TheBuggerlugs Wed 02-Jul-14 12:38:08

<prods cervix>

I'm having a moany day today. Thank goodness I'm not in the office as I'd be even more of a miserable cow. Hot bath and early night for me tonight and hopefully I will feel better tomorrow.

TheBuggerlugs Wed 02-Jul-14 13:28:05

And GP can fuck off too. He's spoken to me twice today and calls that making an effort!!!!!!!!!!!!

katandkits Wed 02-Jul-14 13:28:32

Bugs, I had heartburn a lot both times especially in the third tri. Gaviscon didn't cut it after a while so I moved on to ranitidine. Its very cheap and you don't need a prescription, it is near the gaviscon in the supermarket.

katandkits Wed 02-Jul-14 13:28:48

Bugs, I had heartburn a lot both times especially in the third tri. Gaviscon didn't cut it after a while so I moved on to ranitidine. Its very cheap and you don't need a prescription, it is near the gaviscon in the supermarket.

TheBuggerlugs Wed 02-Jul-14 13:38:25

The Dr won't give me Gaviscon as it will reduce the absorption of the aspirin I'm on so has given me something beginning with R, possibly what you mention below Kat.

I've just had a blazing row with GP and am now sobbing upstairs. Today is not a good day.

TheBuggerlugs Wed 02-Jul-14 14:43:33

And if it couldn't get worse I've just been told a friend has cancer <sobs>

eurochick Wed 02-Jul-14 14:48:22

Oh Bugs. I'm sorry you are having such a rough day.

TheBuggerlugs Wed 02-Jul-14 15:16:42

After a good cry, a cuddle from GO and some squirty cream direct from the can into my mouth Goonies style I fee a bit better. I was due to have acupuncture tonight but I've postponed it as I'm not in the right frame of mind at all so I'm going to have an early tea, deep, long bath and early night in the hope that I feel considerably more human tomorrow.

eurochick Wed 02-Jul-14 21:37:50

Evening hags. I'm so excited that we have a new Eshlette in our midst.

I'm digesting my second dinner of the day (steak lunchtime, fish and chips tonight blush) and recovering from a tour of the labour ward at the local hospital. They took us to the lovely MLU (which I can no longer use) first. I got weepy and one other woman was visibly upset when asked something by the midwife as she is having twins and won't be eligible either. Then they took us up to the main delivery area. The bit I most wanted to see was post-natal (the only relevant bit if I have a section, really), but they said it was too late to go there. Meh. It wasn't awful but it wasn't very nice either. I think it has made me think it is worth the money for the private option.

I've generally had a very down day. My emotions are all over the place at the moment.

TheBuggerlugs Wed 02-Jul-14 21:56:26

Given your current circumstances I think you are more than entitled to feel emotional. You seem to be coping really well anyway.

After a bath, nice tea and lazy evening I feel much better. I'm seeing my mw next week and I'm going to ask her to check my iron levels as the lack of energy I have is really getting me down.

TheBuggerlugs Thu 03-Jul-14 08:40:30

Morning Hags. After a pretty shit day yesterday I feel a lot more chipper and positive today. I think I was just over tired yesterday.

eurochick Thu 03-Jul-14 10:02:54

bugs your iron levels probably will be dropping. My mw said they should go down by the 28 week blood test - it means the blood volume is increasing as it should. But if you are too low, you can supplement. I've been using spatone rather than the tablets as they are less disruptive to digestion. If you do, let your mw know as it might affect the 28 week bloods.

I'm glad you are feeling more chipper today. I am feeling a bit better too. After a few sleepless nights, I was out like a loggy thing last night. Apparently KFZK didn't even attempt sleeping in here last night. He said the noise was such that he wondered if a couple of the fighter jets deployed to Iraq had got a bit lost and were over out bedroom instead... Next scan in a bit. Cross stuff for a few more days' reprieve please hags.

TheOriginalWinkly Thu 03-Jul-14 10:11:27

All appropriate stuff crossed for you euro, good luck. Glad you managed some sleep.

Sweep in an hour. Bleurgh.

eurochick Thu 03-Jul-14 10:17:20

You can uncross for that winks. wink

How are you feeling?

TheOriginalWinkly Thu 03-Jul-14 10:51:48

Actually feeling groggy, spaced out and a bit sick. Might have lost my plug in the night, just had a bit of red spotting too so now is an excellent time to see the midwives.

TheBuggerlugs Thu 03-Jul-14 11:21:29

I've been thinking about upping my iron as it happens Euro but I'm already taking Tesco pregnancy vitamins with iron in them so didn't want to take too much. I've got 2 boxes of Spatone but my Dr gave me the normal stuff not the Apple flavour and it tastes like blood. I'm seeing my MW next week and will ask her for advice.

Good luck with the scan, let us know how you get on.

Winks let's hope things get moving now and you stop feeling rubbish.

TheOriginalWinkly Thu 03-Jul-14 11:33:31

3/5 engaged, 2cm dilated, sweep went very well apparently (natal hypnotherapy came into its own, I was barely aware of it) but my blood pressure ahs shot up since last week so am being sent off to hospital with talk of an early induction.

FrankelandFilly Thu 03-Jul-14 11:40:22

Oh winks, hope all is ok. Either way it sounds like your baby is on the way!

eurochick Thu 03-Jul-14 15:58:11

I didn't even know they did an apple flavour bugs. I've always taken the normal one.

Well done on the good sweep, winks. It sounds like you are on the way.

I'm just back from the hospital. My blood pressure was up a little too... Delivery next week according to bitch consultant we saw today (usual lovely consultant is on holiday). And I formed that decision even before she said she wanted the baby out, so it's not just that influencing my opinion! Just waiting to hear back from the private one we are switching to, to see what he has to say. They gave us a tour of NICU. <gulp> I can't believe that is my future for the next few weeks. The babies are so, so tiny and vulnerable. sad

FrankelandFilly Thu 03-Jul-14 16:15:00

Euro I know it's not easy but every extra day centime spends inside you is good for now. You'll be almost 33 weeks by then which is a huge leap, developmentally, from the original 28 weeks. Fingers crossed the private consultant can reassure you.

Hoping Winks is well on her way by now grin

Fankletastic Thu 03-Jul-14 17:27:50

Euro that all sounds a bit scary and worrisome <takes hold of toe>

Congratulations to Draf!! Goodness me, I am a bit behind with the fred...blaming horrendously busy work schedule, which has thankfully now eased off a bit, hence on MN. A 1st July pink one...how lovely smile

Winks everything crossed for a sneezy birth. Think v high pollen levels.

I'm now technically 13+4 (I think..based on my last scan) and feeling annoyingly fine and normal. My tummy seems to expand in the evenings, giving me a definite cute little bump, but in the morning it shrinks back down again. The upside is I can still fit into my work clothes with only minor discomfort...but I'm wondering if this is normal. My boobs don't hurt as much, I'm not hungry every couple of hours and definitely no nausea. Even the ligament pain seems to have eased. The post-scan high really does wear off quite quickly doesn't it? hmm

Bugs glad a good sleep, bath and lazy time improved your mood. I got v cross and upset with MG last night too. I wanted him to pick me up from the train station last night after me being away from home for a week and a v long day of meetings and travelling across London on the tube then 2 trains to get home...with a suitcase and two bags. I phoned to tell him when I was getting in and when he didn't offer to come and fetch me, I asked and he was like 'oh I'm in the middle of something'. I immediately cried and told him how tired I was and how I didn't want to get a taxi so I successfully guilt-tripped him into coming for me. But I was so mad with him all night!!

TheBuggerlugs Thu 03-Jul-14 19:07:58

Oh yes the deflatable bump?? Sadly Fankle weeks 13 to 18ish are pretty dull. You don't feel pregnant or look pregnant but you are pregnant. Your bump will continue to deflate each morning for quite a while, my permanent bump was in place from about 18ish weeks but it's still quite little even at 24 weeks.

Euro sorry your appointment wasn't with a nicer person, hopefully the private consultant is nicer. As the others have said 33 weeks is a lot better than 28. Have they given you any indication on what centime may weigh at that stage?

eurochick Fri 04-Jul-14 00:03:24

bugs nice consultant one Monday did a detailed growth scan and came up with 1.5kg. Bitchface did a couple of quick measurements (which she said were for her own purposes as she hadn't seen us before and wouldn't write own) and came up with 1.3k. And put that in my notes. Now everyone is basing decisions on that, which puts centime at 1st centile rather than 15th (which is small but within normal limits).

evilgiraffe Fri 04-Jul-14 02:46:15

Oh how infuriating as well as worrisome, euro sad Here's hoping that you'll get to see the usual consultant again before decisions are made.

Sounds normal to me, fankle, I had very few symptoms too. It's frustrating but still a really common situation. Try not to worry!

The giraffe calf is home smile I can't even say how nice it is to be in my own bed with HOTB again! Also, I was shocked by how effective an epidural can be - I did about half of first stage before being moved on to a syntocinon drip, so asked for epidural to be done first, and after that everything was gloriously civilised.

TheOriginalWinkly Fri 04-Jul-14 06:09:25

Just wanted to let you all know have been in hospital since midday yesterday, not even close to laying though Things are Happening and I am very much looking forward to having an epidural at some point.

GingerScouse Fri 04-Jul-14 06:46:39

Ooh winks, sounds like it won't be too long!

FrankelandFilly Fri 04-Jul-14 06:54:45

Good luck Winks, sending you sneeze-like thoughts.

FrankelandFilly Fri 04-Jul-14 06:56:37

Oh and glad you're back home Draf, make sure you take it easy and let everyone else do stuff for you. Enjoy the newborn snuggles, they're over very quickly <looks at almost-16lb monster currently sat on my lap>

TheBuggerlugs Fri 04-Jul-14 07:45:19

Tell that consultant to go eat shit Euro and ask for a formal 2nd opinion. Hope you're feeling as ok about it all as you can do.

I'm considering sticking an epidural request on my birth plan (when I write one). Sod going through pain for the sake of it, I want the drucks.

GP had his hand on my bump last night and each time he poked gently Buglet kicked back in the same spot. His face was a picture. smile

TheOriginalWinkly Fri 04-Jul-14 10:53:30

Still 3 fucking cm but fully effaced. They've ruptured my waters which had meconium in them so no chance of a water birth anyway. Drip in 2 hours if no joy.

eurochick Fri 04-Jul-14 12:35:08

That's wonderful draf.

bugs I was told that from about 30 weeks, if someone puts an ear to the belly, they can sometimes hear the foetal heartbeat. The first time KFZK tried it, he got kicked in the head for his troubles. I lolled.

Oh winks that's a shame about the waterbirth. It seems like so few births go the way we would like them too. But 3cm and effaced is good progress. You are on the way.

I had my second steroid injection this morning. Christ they sting. And I had a sleepless night last night for my troubles. I remember from when I tried the prednisolone immune therapy during ttc that steroids make me buzz. The doses I am having at the moment are massive, so rather than conking out at 10.30 like I have been doing recently, despite a very long walk to and from the Arcade Fire gig in Hyde Park yesterday evening, I was wide awake and ready to party. Until 3am. And up again at 6. So much for getting some rest in before centime arrives. <sigh>

We're off to see private consultant shortly. Just in the office now trying to hammer out some hurried mat leave notes!

FrankelandFilly Fri 04-Jul-14 14:03:25

Hope things are progressing Winks, whilst you can't have a water birth will they let you labour in the water for a bit?

Euro, hope the consultant is helpful.

E has been a right grumpy pants today, she had her 16wk injections yesterday and my mum thinks she can see teeth emerging in her lower gum, so it's probably understandable <sigh>

TheOriginalWinkly Fri 04-Jul-14 15:13:50

Hooked up to (mobile) epidural and syntocin drip now, so pool totally out of the question. Womble still refusing to give me regular strong contractions and baybee's heart rate has dipped a couple of times so a CS may even be on the cards.

I did want a water birth but DM and DSis were both induced with their first so I was open to the possibility.

euro hope that the meeting goes well. Kick the other bitch in the shins. You and centime are at the very front of my thoughts x

evilgiraffe Fri 04-Jul-14 15:29:25

Hope the private consultant is being more helpful, euro, I have everything crossed for you and centime.

It's a long old haul but you'll get there, winks. The drip will help with the contractions so best of luck it flows more smoothly now.

That's so adorable, bugs smile HOTB was just the same when playing with my belly - it only gets more fun as they get bigger.

eurochick Fri 04-Jul-14 17:30:33

I'm cheering you on and thinking dilating thoughts, winks.

The private consultant is really lovely. He's arranged for me to have a second opinion scan with one of his colleagues tomorrow. If his decision is Monday, then I will be content that it is the right decision for the baby. It's just hard having two such different opinions 3 days apart. Hopefully the scan tomorrow will help us find our way through that. The only thing is that it leaves us in limbo and I think we will both find it easier once we have a concrete date to work towards. The only fly in the ointment is that private consultant is away for the latter part of next week so if sonographer tomorrow thinks the back end of next week would be optimal, then lovely consultant won't be around. So we will see. He made the point that they don't grow much in a few days, which is true, but each day is a little better for neurological development, lung development and so on. I'd really set my heart on getting to 34 weeks as that is a real milestone, and now it feels like so near and yet so far (I'd be 32+4 on Monday).

TheBuggerlugs Fri 04-Jul-14 18:25:41

Euro this may sound a stupid or insensitive comment but can the CS not wait until the consultant you like is back? If he's back for a week on Monday (14th) could they not do it then? I'm sure your head is already a shed without these added questions from me.

GingerScouse Fri 04-Jul-14 18:27:50

Keeping everything crossed for you being able to keep centime in as long as you can, draf.

I have been close to tears all day. I am hot and my hay fever is making me tired and miserable. I know it's just hormones but I could genuinely cry sad

eurochick Fri 04-Jul-14 21:15:20

bugs that's what I would hope for but if the blood flow worsens another stage it's a "get the baby out in 24 hrs" kind of scenario, or there's a big risk of brain damage/stillbirth. That's why it's so stressful - every day in there is better for the baby's development but it also carries a risk, hence all the monitoring.

Join me in a good cry, ginge. That's all I seem to do lately. I'm not a crier but think I have cried more in the past month than in previous decade.

JethroTull Fri 04-Jul-14 21:32:28

Euro all differs are allowed to cry & especially differs with blood flow ishoos. Glad the consultant was nice to you.

Bugs I've got as far as making a parcel for you. Next step is actually taking it to work to post!

TheBuggerlugs Fri 04-Jul-14 21:49:46

Ah Euro I see. What a total headfuck that is for you to deal with. Crying is also very allowed. The consultants will do what is best for Centime, even bitch face. At least you'll be able to drink gin a bit sooner <attempts to grasp silver lining>

Jeffers I can't actually remember what you're sending so it will be like Xmas getting a nice parcel. smile

TheOriginalWinkly Fri 04-Jul-14 23:40:35

I have laid a pink one smile Lucy is perfect. Alas my labour was a bit of a horror story and I am shredded, but never mind eh.

SinkyMalinks Sat 05-Jul-14 00:57:49

Winks,you've done brilliantly and Lucy is perfect. Your poor foof though. Hope you're sleeping now. Enjoy the first night!

evilgiraffe Sat 05-Jul-14 01:33:25

Oh winks, congratulations and ouch! thanks for both. Glad you're okay enough for updates, though shredded. <passes the haddock of healing>

Glad to hear lovely consultant has helped make a plan, euro. It's so unfair that you're having to deal with this crap and I'm so impressed with how you're dealing with it. thanks for you too.

eurochick Sat 05-Jul-14 05:06:52

Winks! Congrats. Lovely name too. I hope you are not suffering too much. Was it an instrumental delivery?

FrankelandFilly Sat 05-Jul-14 06:59:28

Massive congratulations Winks, such a beautiful name grin Hope you are resting and enjoying the snuggles.

FriendofDorothy Sat 05-Jul-14 08:02:48

Oh congrats winks.

I was fairly shredded after The Little Mister but I survived.

TheBuggerlugs Sat 05-Jul-14 08:07:12

Squeeeee congrats Winks, Lucy is a beautiful name. Really pretty. My sister is called Lucy smile

<Passes lavender oil and inflatable cushion>

cherrycoconut Sat 05-Jul-14 08:23:03

Popping in to offer belated laying congrats to draf and eye watering applause to Winks on the arrival of your small people. Well done hags.

Euro my heart goes out to you and the knife edge of decisions and emotions you are walking just now. I hope luffly consultant and his second opinion can give you some clear advice for centime soon. This lurching from scan to scan sounds like a rollercoaster of horrors, real and imagined, I can't even guess what that's doing to your sanity. You are SO amazing to be dealing so well with this with the usual euro stoicism, humour and humility. I am in awe lady, keep going, we're all willing you on to the magic date.

24 weeks, just wow bugs! frankel OMG teeth?! How are you guys doing? You also seem to have cracked this motherhood thing with amazing aplomb. Fab news on the boob.

Miss you hags but enjoying galumphing about throwing myself headlong into non differ activities, working too hard yomping around and staying out late in the pub after with my mates. <waves>

TheBuggerlugs Sat 05-Jul-14 08:31:03

Hi Cherry <waves> I saw your news re DE on BESH. How are you feeling about it all?

katandkits Sat 05-Jul-14 09:10:09

Congratulations winks! Enjoy all your snuffly cuddles and hope you have a quick recovery. If you have stitches that sting when you wee, my top tip is to sit backwards on the loo. And pour jugs of lukewarm water over the area while you wee. Remember to keep on top of your painkillers.

cherrycoconut Sat 05-Jul-14 09:11:19

It feels very right TBH bugs. I always thought I would 'know' and we really do. Both ROCH and I are unanimously comfortable with the decision to say yes to this one and are quietly excited. smile

ALittleFaith Sat 05-Jul-14 09:46:50

winks! You have a baybee! She is scrumptious. I'm not getting broody for a newborn at all I luff that name (but one of my friends chose it a year before we had Faithlet!)
Sorry it was a tough labour. I recommend witch Hazel on your maternity pads, badedas in the bath and sitting on a round cushion for the fanjo.

cherry how nice to see you and you sound very positive. smile

euro it's totally understandable you're crying lots. Words can't express how much we luff our unborn baybees and you just want the best for centime. The stress you must be under must be incredible. I hope centime can hold on inside as long as possible til the nice consultant comes back.

TheOriginalWinkly Sat 05-Jul-14 09:49:17

cherry I hadn't been near the BESH thread at all, that's great news. Fingers crossed for you.

I am still a bit shell shocked. euro bold baby turned her (massive) head the wrong way so I couldn't push her out, she was getting distressed so ended up in theatre for forceps and episiotomy. The episiotomy didn't do the trick, i've got a 4th degree 'button hole' tear, about as shredded as it gets! Not had to do a stingy wee yet as the catheter hasn't long been out. Baby seems quite snoozy at the minute, presumably from all the drugs. I had to wake her up with a nappy change and wash to make her feed, whereas I'm a bit sore for sleeping hence the posting.

I promise I will read back on everyone's news at some point.

JethroTull Sat 05-Jul-14 10:04:03

winks!!!! A baybee!!!! She looks scrumptious. Eeek you sound sore. Hope it's a quick recovery & your home soon.

TheBuggerlugs Sat 05-Jul-14 12:20:39

Erm what's badedas Faith?

ALittleFaith Sat 05-Jul-14 12:24:26

It is bubble bath made with horse chesnuts (or something). Very soothing!

TheBuggerlugs Sat 05-Jul-14 12:33:28

Ooh does in come in a green bottle?If so I've seen it. I never knew it was useful post birth. I'm told milk and Lavendar oil baths are heaven. I suppose anything soothing will feel lovely.

I'm tired today and Buglet is having a quiet day.

ALittleFaith Sat 05-Jul-14 14:03:49

Yes that's the one. If you're worried bugs go and get checked out. I had to at about 37 weeks and I was glad I did.

TheBuggerlugs Sat 05-Jul-14 14:18:29

Nah I'm not worried. I had tonnes of movement yesterday and have had some since lunch. Buglet sometimes has quiet days. If I'd felt zero I'd be there like a shot though.

evilgiraffe Sat 05-Jul-14 15:18:53

Oh coco that's so wonderful! I hadn't seen the news either! but now I'm in the loop I'm utterly delighted for you grin

Blimey, winks, that sounds hugely painful <wince> I have some lavender oil that I can send you if you don't have some at home for baths already - I bought it in preparation but obviously c section doesn't really have the same needs. Fingers crossed you heal up quickly and cleanly smile

FrankelandFilly Sat 05-Jul-14 15:30:15

cherry that's fabulous news, I'm so happy for you! Onwards and upwards and all that shizzle.

winks, sorry you had a tough time! I second the use of a jug when weeing to help with the stinging! also the first poo is never as bad as they say <chatty> If you find it really painful to wee someone told me to run a few inches of warm water in the bath and sit in it to wee. I never tried it but I'm told it's very soothing.

euro hope you're feeling ok today.

Hope all the newborn ESHlets are being snuggly and letting their parents get at least a little sleep. E is still grumpy baby today, but the magic calpol did it's trick last night so it will be out again if she carries on being a grouchy-pants!

FriendofDorothy Sat 05-Jul-14 16:39:08

I had lots of stitches and a vulval variscosity (seriously ouchy!) and the only way I could wee was to strip off my bottom half and run the shower over my bits whilst I peed.

ALittleFaith Sat 05-Jul-14 16:47:55

I had plastic jug that I filled with water and poured warm water over my bits as I peed. Best 75p I ever spent Tesco value range

eurochick Sat 05-Jul-14 19:01:01

Ouch winks. That sounds pretty brutal.

I'm mostly feeing tired today hags. Having had the steroid jabs on Thursday and Friday, they caused insomnia so I have hardly slept at all the past two nights. I just had a little nap now when I got back from the hospital. The consultant we were getting the second opinion from today came up with measurements similar to the Thursday scan (which have baby measuring very small - under 3lb <sob>) but formed the same opinion as the previous sonographer. The blood flow issue is a problem, but the baby doesn't seem to be distressed and is still growing, albeit slowly, so there is no need to whip the baby out straight away. So we are having more monitoring - heartbeat trace on Monday, another scan with him on Tuesday, and we'll see where we go from there. So we are back in limbo, which is really, really stressful, but if we can get an extra week or so, we are close to 34 weeks and that is a leap forward in terms of lung maturity and so on.

eurochick Sat 05-Jul-14 19:53:21

Can I ask the CRESH who have had sections how the recovery is/was? I won't have the ability to sit on the sofa for a couple of weeks (which is what a few people I know IRL have advised) as the baby will be in NICU after I am discharged so will have to be back and forth to hospital, in and out of taxis and sitting up rather than laying down and letting air get to the scar. I'm quite worried about how I am going to manage, although I suppose people do. I'm not the first to be in this situation.

FrankelandFilly Sat 05-Jul-14 19:56:56

I can't talk from experience obviously, but while I was in hospital with E there was a lady on the ward with a baby in NICU who had also had a Caesarian, so I'm presuming they'll let you stay in for a good few days at least. She was expressing for the baby, with a rather noisy pump!

eurochick Sat 05-Jul-14 20:26:25

I don't want to stay in though, given how I feel about hospitals (and as we are switching to private each extra night is £1k...). My bestie had a CS with her twins who went into SCBU and she was discharged quite quickly. I guess it depends if the hospital has beds anyway.

evilgiraffe Sat 05-Jul-14 21:04:21

I've been sitting up (on the sofa) rather than lying down, euro, and the wound is healing just fine. Moving is very slow, though - we went for a walk down to the end of the road and back today, which is about 200m each way and I was really feeling it. Getting up/down from chairs/toilets is fine with something to hold on to (chair arms, mobility handles, convenient husbands etc), but getting out of and turning over in bed is awkward. My DreamGenii pillow is still useful in bed to support my sore belly. It's all very similar to laparoscopy recovery, to be honest. While centime is in NICU you'll probably be able to use a decent chair, I'd have thought? Especially if you express milk while there? Rest as much as possible, anyway.

If it's any comfort at all, HOTB has been shocked and impressed by how tidy my wound/scar looks - he had a good look yesterday when I took the dressing off, and said he'd not believe it was so recent if he didn't know otherwise. It's very close to the start of my pubic hair (no more than 1cm, tops) so pretty well hidden, and about 15-20cm long. Given that mine was a post-dates emergency it's probably both longer and higher than yours will be, if what I've read about sections is to be believed.

The giraffe calf was born late Tuesday night, and my health was up to scratch for going home by lunchtime on Thursday. We ended up coming home late Thursday night as there were concerns re baby jaundice (not a problem, as it turns out), which seems a pretty swift discharge to me.

Hope that's helpful smile

FrankelandFilly Sat 05-Jul-14 21:08:46

Draf how are you getting on? Is breastfeeding getting easier for you both?

evilgiraffe Sat 05-Jul-14 21:11:08

Oh, and glad to hear that the second opinion fit well with all the thinking so far - at least bitchface was not totally out of her tree? It must be so stressful having pros and cons to delivering both as soon AND as late as possible. Monitoring makes sense though - more info is always good - so hopefully that will allow a decision to be made in good time. <hugs>

evilgiraffe Sat 05-Jul-14 21:15:53

Getting easier in that my milk is in and we're getting nice long feeds on a regular basis, Frank, yes. As my nipples are already sore from poor latches initially (and let's face it they're probably far from perfect now), latching on hurts like hell. It's more comfortable once the start of feed furious sucking has calmed, thankfully. I remain hopeful that it will get easier! At the minute HOTB is holding baby's hands every time she latches on as she tends to flail - getting thumped in the sore nipple really hurts and is also irritating, especially when her hands are in front of her mouth! grin

TheBuggerlugs Sat 05-Jul-14 21:25:05

Evening Hags. I've had a lovely day and my healthy eating has well and truly.flown out of the window due to fish and chips, a burger and almost a full packet of mini chocolate fudge cookies. grin It's fair to say I've put gluten back in my diet too.

Euro the limbo land must be awful. 3lb is teeny but hopefully more weight will be gained before Centime is evicted. Keeping all my bits and pieces crossed for you both.

eurochick Sat 05-Jul-14 21:26:51

Thanks draf. That's quite reassuring about mobility. Two nights in is what I have been led to expect, under normal circs. But baby is probably going to be in for 20-30 days (that's the average for this gestation). Hopefully once stabilised he/she can be transferred to the local hospital from Tommies, but either one is a cab ride through london traffic (local hospital is closer though). What sort of drugs have you been on?

That's good news about the scar too. The surgeon we have gone for used to do plastic surgery. Given my issues around scarring, that is probably the best I could have hoped for.

FrankelandFilly Sat 05-Jul-14 21:41:46

Yes I had the sore nips for the initial latch <winces> all I can advise is lots and lots of Lansinoh. If it doesn't get better, or you are starting to get cracked nipples, then make sure you get H checked for tongue tie.

FriendofDorothy Sat 05-Jul-14 21:53:08

Oh yes, sore latching is normal to start with is normal. I found it toe-curling for at least a week or two!

SinkyMalinks Sat 05-Jul-14 22:43:22

Yup to painful initial latch at first - literally toe curling. It gets better. And GHJ used to have to hold R's arms out the way as well - that gets better too!

I'd agree with Draf, Euro. Limited movement to the extent of needing help to pick up baby/walk to loo on first night, then rather rapid improvement to slowly walking short distances easily within a day or two. Within the first week I was happy potting around the house, looking after baby etc. Drove at 12 days without a problem. Turning over in bed and sitting up with the baby in my arms was the worst but I just had to be careful. And this was after me being quite unwell prior to section. I was surprised how quickly I felt near normal.

And my scar is hidden beneath my bikini line - no fear of it showing on holiday!

evilgiraffe Sat 05-Jul-14 22:53:07

Just paracetamol with the odd ibuprofen top-up, euro, so really nothing very intense! I also feel like I've come full circle from the IVF as I'm doing stabbing again - fragmin to help with minimising blood clots. I don't know if that's usual for sections, all postpartum mums, or if I'm special, though.

That's encouraging, Frank and dor - I can deal with the pain if I know it'll wear off eventually! She might potentially have a posterior tongue tie, but if so it's a very small/insignificant one, apparently. We'll probably go to a class or something if the initial latch doesn't improve after a couple of weeks, though.

FriendofDorothy Sat 05-Jul-14 23:07:44

I had to take fragmin but that was due to my BMI.

TheBuggerlugs Sat 05-Jul-14 23:51:07

I had fragmin too <joins club>

I've found out that after all the faff of cancelling my TDF plans I could have gone. I'm really upset and an a bit sick of missing out on stuff (hot tubs last weekend, TDF this) but know I'm being totally unreasonable and moody. I get a baybee, that's better than any sporting event.

ALittleFaith Sun 06-Jul-14 00:40:56

Oh euro, more limbo and waiting sad but it's good news that they can keep centime in a bit longer. My sister has had two c-sections so while I personally am no expert I've seen it in action. One was an EMCS after a failed induction, second was planned! She recovered much faster second time, walking quite comfortably and looked really well within a week. First time she was in a bit of a state but as I say it was emergency and she did find it traumatic.

eurochick Sun 06-Jul-14 08:47:38

bugs why did you have to cancel tdf?

I think clexane post-section is standard at many hospitals now. I'm expecting it having been googling for c-section experiences.

faif that's good to hear. A number of my friends have had them and the recovery has been variable. Most have been able to just chill at home for a good while afterwards though. If I want to see the baby, taking it easy is not going to be an option for me.

I'm working through what is basically a grieving process - for the last part of my pregnancy and for the chance to at least try to give birth (I always knew it could end in CS but I thought I would at least get the chance to try to push a baby out first). I'm slowly coming to terms with it to some extent, but it's hard.

KFZK is stressing because last night my hands and feet swelled up a lot. I'm sure it's just oedema due to the heat but he is worried about pre-eclampsia (blood pressure and pee last checked on Friday afternoon and all perfectly normal, as they have been throughout). I get the feeling that he is going to try to get me to go and get checked out today. After medical appointments Thursday, Friday, Saturday and with more on Monday and Tuesday I was hoping for a day off.

On a more positive note, I actually slept pretty well last night. I guess the insomniac effect of the steroid jabs is wearing off. I feel better for it.

SinkyMalinks Sun 06-Jul-14 09:04:21

Get it checked Euro. I didn't (was in a state from lack of sleep/horrible contractions) and was quite poorly by the time I went in - bp v high, bloods v wonky (why I couldn't have an epidural). Hopefully if you're ready to give a wee sample you shouldn't be too long <optimistic>

Personally, I wouldn't worry about the effects of section on seeing centime. I know it varies, but a planned section in a healthy mum - the chances are v much that you'll recover well and feel ok quickly. I was only taking paracetamol by day 3. And let's face it. The BESH are stubborn minded hags - you're body wouldn't dare do different...

TheBuggerlugs Sun 06-Jul-14 09:04:39

I'm having lots of really strong ligament pains which have meant I've had to reduce my normal dog walk lengths and go a lot slower. On Wednesay I almost crawled back from a walk in tears and the arrangement for the TDF involved a 3m walk uphill to get to the venue we'd booked into so after a lot of discussions about risks and how it will ruin my day if I'm in pain and how the venue will be rammed (120 tickets sold) so there won't be anywhere to sit and rest properly after I dropped out..........last night the plans changed and now the walk is only half a mile which I could have easily managed but I've already sold my ticket. This 2nd option wasn't mentioned when I was discussing dropping out so I'm a little upset to be honest so I'm off shopping instead then gonna watch it on the TV before heading home to see if I can join the gang after the roads have reopened. Not sure I'll be able to sneak in without a ticket though.

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Sun 06-Jul-14 11:26:02

Just popping in to say hi! Life still a blur of feeding and little sleep! Lembie is amazing and has started gaining weight again. Hurrah!

Thinking of you euro! Great centime gets a little longer inside.

Massive congrats on here too for all the layers smile

So sorry R is a bad sleeper, sinks!

evilgiraffe Sun 06-Jul-14 20:37:07

Good to see you, driz! Glad everything's going well smile

Midwife appt today was good - baby has put on heaps of weight since yesterday so we are now officially free agents! Well, until we have to see the health visitor, anyway.

FriendofDorothy Sun 06-Jul-14 22:06:22

I am sorry for this really TMI but I can't remember from last time.

Did anyone start having horrid snotty discharge in the third trimester? Its grim.

TheBuggerlugs Mon 07-Jul-14 08:44:42

Morning Hags. What a bloody weekend, I haven't stopped but its been amazing.

Dor I can't help.on the CM I'm afraid as I'm still on the 2nd tri but only just.

Good luck with any hossie appts today Euro.

Have a good Monday everyone else, I feel quite perky at the moment but think I'll hit a wall around 2pm.

FrankelandFilly Mon 07-Jul-14 09:21:14

Well done on the weight gain Draf and hope your nips are toughening up!

Dor I had a fair bit of discharge, I never asked my midwife about it but assumed it was normal.

euro hope your appointments go well today, I'm keeping everything crossed centime can stay put for a while longer.

FriendofDorothy Mon 07-Jul-14 09:27:15

I am generally properly fucked off this morning.

The Little Mister has been a Grade A little shit this morning.
The Mister has also been a dickhead.

I could cry. I am knackered and I have 2 more weeks at work!

FrankelandFilly Mon 07-Jul-14 09:43:31

Oh not fun Dor, can you pull a sickie at all to get some time to yourself?

FriendofDorothy Mon 07-Jul-14 09:48:00

No chance. I have loads of Child Protection meetings and reports to get done before I go off hmm

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Mon 07-Jul-14 10:34:32

Sorry things are tough, Dor! Discharge I has bucket loads of in third tri particularly. Nothing to worry about unless it smells bad or is itchy. What have the misters done wrong?

Good Mondays all round. And nothing wrong w a snooze at 2pm bugs!

FriendofDorothy Mon 07-Jul-14 10:40:25

The Little Mister threw a tantrum over breakfast and then practically pushed himselff off the chair backwards.

The Mister was sat looking at his phone during this whole incident, ignoring us both.

I think I just have the pregnancy rage.

TheBuggerlugs Mon 07-Jul-14 13:17:30

I've hit the wall. Thank goodness I work flexible hours so I can bunk off early.

Hope you're feeling a bit better Dor

RaspberrySnowCone Mon 07-Jul-14 14:55:43

Afternoon Hags. I'm currently in bed with a chest infection and therefore off work .... again. my poor boss must just give up with me. Thought I'd pop in and say hello. Congrats on new arrivals! Sorry to hear you are having such a shite time Euro, my friends little un was born very prem after a car accident and he's come on in leaps and bounds, he's done really well. Haven't followed the thread right back to know exactly the issues so hope butting in doesn't annoy more than help but will be thinking of you.

Our adoption journey is going quite well so far, we are now officially 'Stage 1' adopters and having references checked and have about 10 bulky but interesting books to read and have been put in touch with a friends friend who adopted who is happy to support us throughout process and into placement. We've also now done the first two days of the prep courses, another day to do if we progress to stage 2. If plans go smoothly we might be approved in January/February and can start looking for our child. Trying not to get ahead of myself yet though as MATV is in a constant state of 'woaaahh this is going fast' but he's coping smile so it may be that we take a few months break after this first bit which is fine, just to have some breathing space. All is well though. I don't really know any BESH these days I don't think and I'm kinda on the road to being a mum like you guys, even if they aren't born to me, so I hope you don't mind me popping in!

eurochick Mon 07-Jul-14 14:58:04

Just been in for a trace - all looking good. BP, etc all fine too. Next stop, scan tomorrow. I think KFZK has reached the point where he just wants the baby out though. As he put it, he has lost his nerve. I do kind of see his point. If we can safely get to next week, I think we will stop trying to push it any further at that point. The baby will be 33-34 weeks then.

bugs sorry to hear about the hip pain. I'm glad you can go home early today.

Dor that sounds like quite a day. I haven't had any odd discharge yet, but then I am a couple of weeks behind you.

eurochick Mon 07-Jul-14 15:01:30

rasp that's brilliant! It's so lovely to see you on here.

TheBuggerlugs Mon 07-Jul-14 17:25:17

Yey Rasp that's wonderful to hear and it's very exciting that you're on your way to Motherhood.

I finished work at 3.30 but have only just sat down. I arrived home to GP cutting back the neighbours trees that overhang our garden with a rope saw so he's had me helping him out. The garden is a lot lighter which is nice though.

GingerScouse Mon 07-Jul-14 18:52:36

Excellent progress rasp, and so lovely to see you on here!

Dor, I've had dreadful discharge for weeks. I must have spent more on sanitary products when diffed than before as I have to wear a panty liner all the time.

I have a shitty cold and feel like death. Work today has been vile, I've obviously forgotten to turn my psychic ability on again.

FrankelandFilly Mon 07-Jul-14 18:55:46

Rasp, lovely to hear from you and I'm so pleased that your journee is progressing quickly and smoothly.

euro glad the trace and BP were all well. I shall clutch a toe for tomorrow's scan.

Dor hope your day got better.

FriendofDorothy Mon 07-Jul-14 22:24:31

My day did get better. We went to a lovely local event for tea which we really enjoyed.

In other news I am dtruggling to find a carrycot for my second-hand MOuntain Buggy Duet. No-one selling on ebay seems to want to post to Guernsey and it is really annoying me that they won't even consider it!

FrankelandFilly Mon 07-Jul-14 22:44:18

That's a pain Dor, could you get them to deliver to someone on the mainland who could post/courier it on to you?

evilgiraffe Tue 08-Jul-14 05:17:02

So glad the latest inspections went well, euro smile Here's hoping next week rolls around with no drama.

Rasp! That's fantastic news, how exciting! I hope it all continues to go so smoothly for you both. And of course you should keep posting here - it doesn't sound like it'll be all that long before motherhood is looming on the horizon for you smile

We had an amazingly brilliant day out yesterday. Who'd have thought sitting by the side of a road could be so much fun? We saw the actual Tour de France! The real thing! And I spotted Jens Voigt! I am so starstruck grin And baby was unbelievably cooperative - slept almost the whole time except when she was being very amenable about breastfeeding. Best baby ever smile

TheBuggerlugs Tue 08-Jul-14 08:59:46

Glad you had a lovely day Draf, the writing on the roads and bunting is still everywhere here. It looks lovely. I drive part of the route to get to work and it makes me smile.

I've given in and ordered more maternity stuff, I've tried not to go overboard but I'm fed up of trying to sort an outfit for work each day and then feeling frumpy in what I've chosen. I've had a definite growth spurt lately so no longer have such a neat football bump. I've also put on 21lb so I'm pretty sure a lot of it is just fat as my thighs are defiantly bigger. No more chocolate or crisps for me!!

FrankelandFilly Tue 08-Jul-14 09:24:11

Hope all goes well today Euro

Glad you had a good day Draf, and that H was obliging!

ALittleFaith Tue 08-Jul-14 09:41:21

Thinking of you euro.

bugs you were slim to start with. 21lb gain is fine for your pre-pregnancy BMI. If you want chocolate and crisps, enjoy!

TheBuggerlugs Tue 08-Jul-14 10:31:41

I know I go on about my weight and eating but I have really let myself go this last month and have been totally disgusting to be honest. I feel heavy and sluggish and not very nice at all. I've just eaten a yummy fruit salad of kiwi, mango and blueberries to attempt to start to balance it out!

Hags I only have 9 more weeks to work after this week. That is very exciting and surreal.

TheBuggerlugs Tue 08-Jul-14 10:46:53

And GP wants to have the hospital bag packed around 30 weeks. Please tell me this is too soon? When did you all pack yours?

eurochick Tue 08-Jul-14 11:45:54

Mine was hurriedly packed around that point, but my circumstances are a bit special. KFZK still hasn't packed his (and he is in charge of snax, so this is very important).

I need to unpack some of mine to take the baby clothes out as they are all newborn size and will be far too big. When I packed it we didn't know whether we would be having a super early arrival or might get to 36-37 weeks, but it is now pretty clear that the latter won't be happening and in any event the baby is teeny tiny for gestation.

I wouldn't worry about the weight. I've put on 2 and a half stone, but other than a bit of a double chin I don't think I look fat anywhere other than on the bump. Christ knows where it is all going. Not into the baby, apparently! I think I am retaining masses of fluid in this hot weather though. My feet and hands are very swollen.

FrankelandFilly Tue 08-Jul-14 12:04:29

There's no harm in packing a basic bag early Bugs, mine was finally packed at about 35 weeks, though I kept adding/taking stuff out!

I don't know how much weight I put on, but it was pretty much all bump! I got HWHNN to take one last pregnant photo of me in the delivery room - my god I was huuuge!

FriendofDorothy Tue 08-Jul-14 12:23:25

I am 34 weeks and still haven't packed my hospital bag.

I reckon I have put on a stone and a half (I am ignoring the initial half stone I put on over Christmas!) but I was really fat to start with. Mind you for the last 6 weeks I have put on and lost the same 2lbs so I am thinking I haven't gained a lot more recently.

GingerScouse Tue 08-Jul-14 12:35:59

35 weeks tomorrow and still not packed hospital bags!

I've put on around 2.5st so far, but I'm not stressing about it too much. I am HUNGRY at the moment and if I don't eat regularly then the nausea returns.

katandkits Tue 08-Jul-14 14:20:55

I started mine around 35 weeks, it was properly done by 37. Except for me eating some of the snacks and needing to buy more. Tbh if you went unexpectedly into premature labour before 35 weeks you wouldn't give a shot about your bag and the hospital would help you out with baby clothes and nappies. both times I never used half the crap in the bag anyway. I reckon if you have it all done by 36 weeks that should be fine.

katandkits Tue 08-Jul-14 14:23:48

And try not to worry about your weight too much, you are slim anyway so it is normal to gain a little on top of the weight of the baby. Breastfeeding helps to shift it, and even if you don't breastfeed, a daily walk with the baby and the dog will get you in shape again.

evilgiraffe Tue 08-Jul-14 15:19:46

We packed the bag around 36 weeks, I think - HOTB was very keen to get it done by 34 weeks, but I was convinced that the calf would be well overdue so wasn't worried.

I dread to think about my weight - I've shrunk massively, but suspect I'm still a good bit heavier than I was this time last year. Still, at least the section means I won't have to worry about my undercarriage healing - we're hoping that I'll be able to get on my bike for short rides while HOTB has the calf fairly soon. If that's impractical there's always wii fit, I suppose grin

FrankelandFilly Tue 08-Jul-14 17:49:20

Hope the scan went well euro

SinkyMalinks Tue 08-Jul-14 19:33:32

Ditto Euro

Draf, I'm massively impressed you went to see the TDF so soon - how old is the calf now?

Bugs, stay away from the scales. I weighed myself in the early 30 weeks. Mistake.

eurochick Tue 08-Jul-14 19:44:04

draf that sounds like a great day out. How is the healing going?

frank thanks for asking, the scan was ok. Blood flow was the same as Saturday - an improvement on last week. So no need for delivery right now. Still aiming for 34 weeks-ish, barring a deterioration between now and then.

TheBuggerlugs Tue 08-Jul-14 19:49:00

Glad things haven't worsened Euro. Let's hope things stay like that now.

Sinks GP has hidden the scales thankfully. I don't know what possessed me.

I'm having a 3d scan on Saturday, GP hasn't seen Buglet since 17w3d so he's really excited. I'm of course worrying about what they may find 'wrong'. The in-laws are coming too, I was feeling generous when we invited them, I just hope MIL doesn't drive me mental with her tweeness and bump touching.

FrankelandFilly Tue 08-Jul-14 19:50:13

Good news euro grin is it next week you are 34 weeks?

Oh and Draf I am seriously impressed by your outing!

eurochick Tue 08-Jul-14 19:52:17

bugs my sonographer gave me a few 3D shots today. I think he was trying to cheer me up after all the c-section chat!

frank I hit 34 weeks on Thursday next week, so any time next week is near enough.

TheOriginalWinkly Tue 08-Jul-14 20:07:05

Well done euro and centime smile

Yes draf I am well impressed. I felt incredibly brave just pushing baby round the park that is literally out the back of my flats today. And then she woke up and screamed and I had to feed her on a stone bench. Eeep.

TheBuggerlugs Tue 08-Jul-14 21:52:21

Draf you look so well and totally smitten on the photos on t'other place. Well done you.

I feel very broody tonight so have opened the hypnobirthing book you have lent me Frank. Its made me realise that I'm actually more scared of labour than I thought and that sticking my head in the sand, as I have been doing probably isn't the best way to go about it.

FrankelandFilly Tue 08-Jul-14 22:28:34


FrankelandFilly Tue 08-Jul-14 22:32:08

Sorry, iPad is doing it's thing again blush

Bugs, I was scared of labour too. That's where the Lazy Daisy classes helped. For me it was about arming myself with as much info as possible, including watching OBEM, so that I was prepared for what could happen. It really helped, I think fear of the unknown is a factor and understanding how to ease that fear makes a difference.

BTW the book is an ESH heirloom, so just pass it on to another differ when Buglet has arrived grin

evilgiraffe Wed 09-Jul-14 00:39:00

The TdF was so good - largely down to HOTB carting a folding chair for me to sit on; it would have been much less fun without it! I doubt we'd have chosen to do anything so ambitious, but we couldn't move the Tour so needs must etc.

Glad to hear the scan went well, euro. Next Thursday is not so far away smile

Healing is going fine so far - I'm much more mobile now, though still walk at a snail's pace if we go further than 100m or so. Thank you re photos, bugs! Can you tell that photography is HOTB's best hobby? grin. Hope your scan goes well too - and I'm v impressed at you taking along the ILs!

The idea of labour was more daunting than the reality, for me - once it going we knew what we were dealing with whereas beforehand it was impossible to plan anything. Our usual motto of "follow medical advice and do as you are told" served us well! Having said all that, an epidural at 5cm did make everything very civilised from that point on grin

I lost you. Marking place and will read back tonight during the teething hell overnight
However think a peshlet(s) arrived in my absence so congratulations grin

TheBuggerlugs Wed 09-Jul-14 19:05:11

Evening all.

I've had a buy busy day. I went to my first differ Pilates class as the yoga I went to stopped for summer. Oh my goodness it was fantastic and so much better than the yoga. Its pre and post natal so there were 13 ladies and 10 babies. They have a coffee morning after the class which is lovely but I didn't stay today but will do next week.

TheOriginalWinkly Wed 09-Jul-14 19:14:25

bugs my pilates class was one of my favourite things about diffment, i'm delighted you enjoyed it so much smile

TheBuggerlugs Wed 09-Jul-14 19:42:15

Yoga was a lot of talking and breathing whereas the Pilates is core and pelvic floor focused so helps pre and post birth. The babies were so well behaved and mega cute.

TheBuggerlugs Wed 09-Jul-14 20:26:27

There is a programme on Sky Living that has started tonight called 'she he's having a baby'. It's giving me the rage but I'm too intrigued to turn it over.

FriendofDorothy Thu 10-Jul-14 11:09:09

Just been for my 34+3 week scan and they are estimating that the baby already weighs 7lbs. Eeeeeeek!!! That would mean she is heading for 10lbs-ish if we make it to full term. The abdominal measurements are measuring at 41 weeks (they still claim this isn't worrying) and the head and legs are at 37-38 weeksish.

I can't decide whether to panic or not about the bit tummy measurement. I am seeing the consultant on Monday though so I guess I can ask him then. Oh, and I am also seeing the midwife today.

FrankelandFilly Thu 10-Jul-14 12:48:16

Eeek indeed Dor, hopefully they're wrong on the "big baby" front. Hope the midwife appointment goes well.

I think we're experiencing the delightful 4 month sleep regression here, E has been sleeping badly at night for the last 4 or 5 nights so I'm shattered. Her naps are still as rubbish as ever so there's not much chance of respite during the day. Sinks have you hit this one yet?

FriendofDorothy Thu 10-Jul-14 12:50:57

My sister sent me a message sayig 'Your baby will be beautiful'.

To which my response was 'My baby will be beautiful but my fanjo might be a car crash'

TheBuggerlugs Thu 10-Jul-14 13:05:13

<snigger>. Good reply Dor. If she's a real whopper could you/ would you consider a ECS?

FriendofDorothy Thu 10-Jul-14 13:19:30

I would rather not have a section unless there are medical reasons for it.

It means I can't drive for 6 weeks and usually a vaginal delivery is less traumatic, even with lots of stitches.

Of course if there is no option then that's a different matter. I am very anti ECS unless there are good medical grounds for it.

katandkits Thu 10-Jul-14 13:36:38

Didn't they predict the little mister would be big and in fact he was a very average birth weight?
I have a friend who had big fanjo issues pushing out an only just seven pounder and another who gave birth to a ten pound second baby with no damage at all. A lot of it is luck and down to positioning as much as weight.

FriendofDorothy Thu 10-Jul-14 13:55:48

Yeah they said The Little Mister would be a 9-10lber and he was 7lbs 6.5oz.

eurochick Thu 10-Jul-14 14:06:02

I think that misestimating weights happens very frequently dor. I'm with you on CS. When you think through the logistics of it (driving, holding baby, etc) even a hard VB seems preferable.

FriendofDorothy Thu 10-Jul-14 14:34:25

Sorry euro I know that it is a likelihood for you, I wish it could be different x

TheBuggerlugs Thu 10-Jul-14 15:24:10

Sorry if my question seemed ignorant I just haven't ever experienced Fanjo of doom so didn't know which was the lesser of the 2 evils. The IVFer friend who laid recently had 4th degree tears and her baby was only 7lb but was back to back.

I suppose you never really know what it will be like until you get on with it.

evilgiraffe Thu 10-Jul-14 15:24:50

So far, holding baby has not been an issue, euro. Being unable to drive (and lift car seat) are the big drawbacks, but needs must etc. If I'd tried to birth vaginally I'd probably have a shredded fanjo AND be recovering from a c-section...

TheBuggerlugs Thu 10-Jul-14 15:25:12

Holy shit there are only 3 ESHlets to last before it's my turn shock

TheOriginalWinkly Thu 10-Jul-14 16:08:45

FWIW I will never consider another vaginal birth. A planned CS seems like a dream compared to 2 days of labouring, a stuck baby in distress and 4th degree tears. Waiting to see if I end up shitting from my vagina for the rest of my life ks categorically Not Fun.

I don't mean to scare anyone saying that, according to the obstetrician what happened to me was really rare but for me, that's it.

FriendofDorothy Thu 10-Jul-14 17:25:03

Yep, it's easy to say when you have a vaginal birth that goes ok (ish)

TheBuggerlugs Thu 10-Jul-14 17:46:10

Winks is there a plan of surgery/ treatment to restore your foof area to something close to what it was before? I can see the benefits of both a vaginal birth (that goes well) and elective CS.

SinkyMalinks Thu 10-Jul-14 17:53:11

I drove 12 days after my section. 'Twas fine. I am so glad I had a section. Early days winks. Make sure you see a colorectal surgeon.

Frank, R's never slept, so I'm hoping the sleep regression is something I can bypass!

TheOriginalWinkly Thu 10-Jul-14 17:55:33

I have basically had the surgery, they spend a good 2 hours rebuilding me after the birth. I have referrals to a continence midwife and a continence consultant, plus a specialist physio, but for now its just a matter of hoping and praying the surgery worked and I don't end up with a fistula/infection etc.

TheBuggerlugs Thu 10-Jul-14 18:13:48

There is a thread in childbirth that suggests that the fanjo will heal but it will take time and that a difference can be seen and felt by about 10 weeks post birth. I do hope it's not spoiling the enjoyment of these precious first weeks Winks.

TheOriginalWinkly Thu 10-Jul-14 18:15:59

It isn't at all bugs. I can't put into words how incredibly lucky I feel and how amazing she is. And so so cute!

TheBuggerlugs Thu 10-Jul-14 18:40:41

Good, that's a relief. I'll send you some fanjo healing thoughts and hopefully soon things will be greatly improved.

I suppose I should think about booking a birthing session for me and GP at some point. The only prep he's done so far is watch a few OBEM but he wants to know more about the woo aspects of it rather than the medical side which OBEM focusses on.

FrankelandFilly Thu 10-Jul-14 19:50:50

I know I keep harping on about it, but HWHNN found this book really helpful. It covers medical and woo!

The author has his own website for fathers too: www.daddynatal.co.uk

eurochick Thu 10-Jul-14 21:59:39

winks that sounds really tough. I hope you heal well.

draf I'd probably feel better about it if I had the opportunity to recover at home but the combo of section + baby in NICU and having to get across London daily just seems like a logistical nightmare. Combine that with a hatred of hospitals and a phobia of surgery and I am just a mess every time it is mentioned. As it was again today. The blood flow issue has reverted to where it was, after improvements at the two most recent scans. Meh.

FrankelandFilly Thu 10-Jul-14 22:03:51

Oh euro I'm sorry to hear that. What's the next step now?

FriendofDorothy Thu 10-Jul-14 23:08:46

Is there no way you can stay with the baby for a bit longer?

eurochick Fri 11-Jul-14 04:40:31

Probably section next week. sad

On the plus side we've got further than we ever thought we would when this was flagged at 28 weeks (I am 33+1 today). But not far enough for induction to be feasible apparently (36-37 weeks has been mentioned for that). I could push for induction but I've been told the most likely outcome would be an emcs as my body wouldn't be ready and with a failing placenta the baby would likely get into distress.

eurochick Fri 11-Jul-14 04:40:31

Probably section next week. sad

On the plus side we've got further than we ever thought we would when this was flagged at 28 weeks (I am 33+1 today). But not far enough for induction to be feasible apparently (36-37 weeks has been mentioned for that). I could push for induction but I've been told the most likely outcome would be an emcs as my body wouldn't be ready and with a failing placenta the baby would likely get into distress.

eurochick Fri 11-Jul-14 04:40:31

Probably section next week. sad

On the plus side we've got further than we ever thought we would when this was flagged at 28 weeks (I am 33+1 today). But not far enough for induction to be feasible apparently (36-37 weeks has been mentioned for that). I could push for induction but I've been told the most likely outcome would be an emcs as my body wouldn't be ready and with a failing placenta the baby would likely get into distress.

eurochick Fri 11-Jul-14 04:40:31

Probably section next week. sad

On the plus side we've got further than we ever thought we would when this was flagged at 28 weeks (I am 33+1 today). But not far enough for induction to be feasible apparently (36-37 weeks has been mentioned for that). I could push for induction but I've been told the most likely outcome would be an emcs as my body wouldn't be ready and with a failing placenta the baby would likely get into distress.

eurochick Fri 11-Jul-14 04:41:01

Oops. I think the app had a brainfart.

TheBuggerlugs Fri 11-Jul-14 08:58:22

So you could still be 34/35 weeks, that's a really good improvement on 28 Euro but I totally get why you're feeling sad

Am I right in thinking that they first found an issue at 20w and the 28w scan confirmed it?

I feel like a big achy walrus today.

katandkits Fri 11-Jul-14 09:44:02

I think you would be best avoiding induction it is very unpredictable, would probably take ages so early on and apparently they don't like to induce if the baby is small anyway. With a section, the baby is going through birth for a very short time, as opposed to having to go through a long labour. They will have more control with a section so it will be safer for centime. Getting as far as you have is brilliant, hopefully it will mean a much shorter stay in special care for centime.

all the same it must be a very anxious time for you. Will you have some support from family in the early days to help with getting you to the hospital?

eurochick Fri 11-Jul-14 10:22:01

You're probably right kat, but I am literally having nightmares about the section. It is making me completely miserable. I feel trapped into doing the thing I absolutely dread and it's a horrible feeling. Also early section babies tend to have more breathing problems as they haven't had their lungs squeezed on the way out so it isn't completely black and white that the section is the best option for the baby.

Family will be supportive but they won't be able to do much in terms of practical support for getting me to hospital as they live too far out. It'll end up being mini cabs with me in considerable pain in the early days I expect, until I can manage the train or they move the baby to the local hospital (which is a shorter journey but would still require a cab).

Bugs I'm 33+1 at the moment so if the get the baby out next week I'll be somewhere around 34.

evilgiraffe Fri 11-Jul-14 10:30:23

Is a hotel/B&B near the hospital an option for the first week or two, euro? Not as good as being at home, but shortening the journey to/from centime could be helpful? I'm so sorry that things are working out this way for you - but everything crossed that it doesn't prove as traumatic when it happens as the idea of it feels right now.

EarthWindAnd9 Fri 11-Jul-14 10:55:30

I hope you don't mind me butting in, but Bugs and I crossed paths on another thread and I popped in to see how she was doing <waves at Bugs and dons "Star" name badge>.

Euro I have read a couple of your posts and think I'm right in my understanding that you are heading for an early section and are worried about it. I had a planned section in March (admittedly not early, so I can't offer advice on that aspect) and whilst I was terrified of it (hate hospitals, never had an op) it was a really positive experience.

The anaesthetist knew I was scared, he talked me through every single tiny detail and stayed with me the entire time. It was calm and controlled and although it was being done 'to' me, rather than labouring myself, I did feel like I had some control because I could ask questions, ask them to wait a minute, etc etc. Once baby was out, it didn't matter anymore.

I won't lie about recovery, it was hard to watch all the other mums wandering around post natal picking up their babies when I couldn't, but I was surprised at how quickly I made progress. I was discharged after 2 nights (they were happy for me to go after 1 but I wanted to stay). The test was weeing in a pot, if you can, then you can go home. I needed help to go to the loo (sitting down, getting up) for 1 day post catheter removal and I needed help with my first 2 showers. The car journey home was painful just from bumps in the road and going round corners, but every single day there was an improvement in what I could do and how I felt. I was on paracetamol and ibuprofen for a few days. I got mastitis in both boobs on day 5 and that was worse than the section, in fact it was agony. I realise it is scary and I know you will have added complications with NICU/SCBU but I really hope that you wil be surprised at what you can manage.

I hope I haven't spoken out of turn by gate crashing your thread, but it made me quite emotional reading a couple of your posts and I wanted to share my experience, which was hard, but positive. I really hope it all goes well for you.

EarthWindAnd9 Fri 11-Jul-14 11:13:02

<realises she has come across as total stalking weirdo>

TheBuggerlugs Fri 11-Jul-14 12:47:24

We love a stalker smile

SinkyMalinks Fri 11-Jul-14 13:00:54

Agree with our stalker ��. I really found my (admittedly emergency and post dates) section fine. Really. And I'm a dreadful ptn (in terms that I don't do what I'm told).

eurochick Fri 11-Jul-14 14:34:17

Thanks all (including stalker). It's the combo of section plus NICU/SCBU that will provide the logistical nightmare. In a "normal" section, you get your baby at the end of it. Mine is going to be whisked away and I don't know how soon I will get to see him/her (a friend of mine had a section + SCBU for her twins and when I went to visit her later that day, she had only seen photos her husband had taken). Instead of recovering at home, I'm going to need to be back and forth to the hospital, and in London that is harder than most other places - the hospitals have little in the way of parking, mr euro doesn't drive anyway, and the traffic will be a nightmare.

bugs we have considered finding a hotel near the hospital (no B&Bs in that area). But in London in school holiday season, that might be easier said than done.

I'm also a dreadful patient sinks.

The trapped feeling is really making me very panicky and anxious (as you can probably tell). Every time I close my eyes I see a scalpel cutting into me. And then I get panicky about being stuck in the bed away from the baby paralysed from the waist down. And I am worried about how I am going to feed and bond with him/her. And then I am afraid of the pain (bizarrely the idea of birth pain doesn't scare me at all - clearly I drank the hypnobirthing Kool Aid) but surgical pain really does. And then there is the recovery (I hate not being capable of doing what I want and having to slow down). And then there is looking at that scar for the rest of my life remembering this horrible fucking traumatic time. I am in a bit of a state about it all.

ALittleFaith Fri 11-Jul-14 14:55:27

Oh euro what a nightmare. I would hold on to the knowledge/wisdom of experience shared on here. Recovery from planned c-sections is much better than EMCS and even those who had the latter have been positive. Scars tend to be hidden in the bikini line do maybe not as bad as you're anticipating.

At my hospital pants as it is there is accommodation for staff/visitors where you can pay per night. Is that an option?

katandkits Fri 11-Jul-14 15:18:19

Euro since you have a phobia about surgery, and you aren't getting the birth you want, and your baby is premature and you have been through many weeks of anxiety now, could you ask if there is any support for you to be referred to? Some sort of counselling or just a sympathetic doctor/midwife for you to talk to. Your hospital ought to have some sort of peri natal mental health service. The amount you are having to deal with is a lot to cope with at once.

eurochick Fri 11-Jul-14 15:20:48

My mw is going to help me find someone afterwards to help me process all of this. I think the 6 weeks of limbo + surgery phobia is pushing me over the edge. I'm finding this much, much harder than I found ttc and IVF.

FriendofDorothy Fri 11-Jul-14 15:58:42

I think some sort of therapy would be really helpful for you long term.

I guess the only thing I would say to you in the short term is try and deal with the stuff you have some control over. Ie you can't change how the baby is growing etc or whether you are going to need a section.

However, if booking a hotel nearer helps you regain some control then do it, it's a little bit like making the decision to go private. It gives you some control.

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Fri 11-Jul-14 17:09:12

No wise words, just a tight squeeze for euro. I have no experience to add and wiser things have been said by hags and stalker! What you are going thru now is awful. I am keeping everything crossed for centime's health and your sanity!

JethroTull Fri 11-Jul-14 17:39:30

euro pm me & let me know where the hospital is & I will use my work contacts if you like.

TheBuggerlugs Fri 11-Jul-14 19:47:34

Evening. Just been for some cuddles with a newborn and she was totally scrummy. It really hit home that I'm having a baybee. Squeeeeeee.

God this is really happening isn't it?!

ALittleFaith Fri 11-Jul-14 19:55:36

Yup! A proper squidgy baybee grin cuddling other people's is nice. Cuddling your own is just amazing! doesn't mention that mine is still awake having escaped from her sleeping bag and removed her pj top

evilgiraffe Sat 12-Jul-14 10:17:12

Wow, sleep is amazing. For the last couple of nights the calf has been feeding every hour and screaming in between - exhausting for all of . But last night at 2am ish she zonked out completely - fed at 5:30 ish and 8:30 ish, but has we have all been asleep for the intervening time - glorious grin

FrankelandFilly Sat 12-Jul-14 10:21:58

Sleep is definitely amazing! E is going through the 4 month sleep regression and I was starting to feel like a zombie, but last night she "only" woke up 3 times (I think!) and slept till 7.45, so I got a good few hours under my belt. I feel like a new woman grin

katandkits Sat 12-Jul-14 10:33:35

Sleep is awesome. Little kitty had an expressed bottle last night so i slept from 10 to 4 and feel amazing now smile mr k knows i am shit without sleep and he is really being brilliant

Also a stalker but Evil's friend with the 26 weeker smile There is a Ronald McDonald house at the hospital which loads of nicu parents use. There are a few hospitals right over the road (my ILs lived there for a couple of weeks, perfectly fine they said). And there is a psych/counsellor attached to the Unit who is available to speak to parents, she helped us a lot. Plus, since we praying to anything and anyone at the time grin we also found the chaplains and priest who come round a lot more helpful than we expected.
Crappy time for you both but you'll come through it and it'll be barely a blip in the rearview mirror before you know it. Trite but true.

TheBuggerlugs Sat 12-Jul-14 11:40:15

Just ordered our pram and cotbed.

<adopts ostrich position>

TheOriginalWinkly Sat 12-Jul-14 12:02:33

I am struggling today. All the gifts and cards are wonderful but mean I am being buried in an avalanche of Stuff. The baby is dirty - left her nappy off for a bit and she peed on herself twice, pood herself once, sicked on herself once. I dropped toast crumbs on her head trying to eat something as I fed her. She badly needs a bath. I wanted to try her in the sling today but even that seems overly ambitious!

ALittleFaith Sat 12-Jul-14 12:11:02

Winks I found it tough initially. Why don't you and baby have a bath together? Get Mr Winks (sorry forgot the TLA) to pile all the stuff out of the way for now. You can deal with it later.

Well done on the shopping bugs. What did you get?

TheOriginalWinkly Sat 12-Jul-14 12:27:16

I'm not allowed baths at the moment, infection risk. HWCA is being fab, he's been to tesco, fed me, washed up, done laundry and watched baby while I had a very quick shower.

FrankelandFilly Sat 12-Jul-14 12:48:01

Winks the first few weeks are tough, I know I seemed to cry several times a day to start with! It's a matter of finding a little routine of your own and, in my case, coming to the realisation that the baby won't come to any harm if you pop her in the bouncy chair for ten minutes while you have a shower, and if she cries, she'll live!

Go easy on yourself and let other people take up the slack for now. Just remember, a bit of dust/dirty dishes never killed anyone wink

SinkyMalinks Sat 12-Jul-14 14:35:47

Winks, it took me 2 weeks to pluck up the courage to bath R, my house is horrible (I'm shedding hair and never seem to get a chance to hoover, so my carpet is minging), and I haven't blow dried my hair/worn a scrap of make up/coloured my roots yet. Yet I'm ok with all of it (R now gets bathed though!). You need do nothing but feed yourself and baby and heal. Anything else is unnecessary or someone else's job.

SinkyMalinks Sat 12-Jul-14 14:47:47

Oh, and I cried a lot. Because it was evening/nighttime, because my boobs hurt, but mainly a "what the fuck have I done" cry. Think week 2-3 was the worst for that. But it lifts and you forget what the problem was. Honest.

eurochick Sat 12-Jul-14 15:38:00

winks that sounds like a tough day. Is mr winks around?

AFM, we had another scan today. The blood flow isn't improving, so the plan is to get the baby out as soon as there's a NICU cot available. <gulp> In one way I want the limbo to be over, but I really wish I could have gone on a bit longer (am 33+2 today). sinks I sympathise with the "what have I done" notion. If I could turn the clock back and get a puppy instead, I would. I just don't want any of this.

FrankelandFilly Sat 12-Jul-14 15:55:34

Oh euro I'm sorry you've not been able to get further along. Did they say how quickly a cot is likely to become available? I'm here to clutch your hand and offer hair strokes.

evilgiraffe Sat 12-Jul-14 16:59:21

<hugs> euro

The calf has not been bathed yet - we're leaving it until the cord drops off and just sponge bathing her in the meantime. She seems clean enough <shrug> My crying has mostly been linked to breastfeeding - either because my nipples still hurt or because the calf is screaming due to hunger or because the calf is screaming due to frustration as my enormo-boobs drown her in milk. Glad that HWCA is looking after you both, winks - I'd have been in pieces a long time ago if it wasn't for HOTB providing food, drink, clean laundry, and an endless supply of hugs and encouragement smile

TheBuggerlugs Sat 12-Jul-14 17:17:43

<Holds Euro's other hand>

We're all here for you to support you through this. It will all be ok it just might not seem like it right now. Once Centime is out He or she will receive the best possible care after what you have provided. You can be there every day to watch him or her grow and get stronger. thanks

TheOriginalWinkly Sat 12-Jul-14 18:42:50

Oh euro, I'll cling to an ankle. 33+2 is brilliant compared to how it all looked at 28 weeks and perhaps being able to deal with the situation instead of just waiting and waiting will be less awful for you. Massive hugs.

Things settled down here btw, baby even got bathed (then peed on the towel when I lifted her out). Thanks all.

Winks have some hugs, the early weeks are really hard
Euro I will be gripping a toe. It will be fine

FrankelandFilly Sat 12-Jul-14 19:02:23

Winks, I read a daily motto here on MN and I think it perfectly sums up how things should be in the first few weeks months:

"Everybody fed. Nobody dead."


SinkyMalinks Sat 12-Jul-14 19:38:50

That's a motto to live by frank - you're full of advice today!

Euro - I'll hold on to your earlobe whilst flashing my near invisible section scar in a show of TMI support.

Winks glad all is a bit better. It's all peaks and troughs in the first few, er, weeks (and by weeks I mean still is at almost 4 months), but the peaks get higher and the lows shorter and less upsetting.

JethroTull Sat 12-Jul-14 19:49:36

Winks I hated the first few months weeks. But it really does get easier. I cried every day too. It's just so bloody overwhelming isn't it.

Oh Euro. Thinking about you lots.

eurochick Sat 12-Jul-14 20:03:34

Thanks all. It's just a bit overwhelming. I've spent most of the day crying, again. I've put off calling my parents all week as talking about it sets me off, but they called me a couple of hours ago. i told them what was going on. I cried. They said goodbye. hmm I don't think they knew what to do. We're generally quite a private unemotive lot, so as a teenager if I cried I would do it in private. So on that basis, they probably haven't heard me sob since I was about 12 and have no idea how to handle it now I am 38. I get the feeling they might not be a lot of help on the emotional side... Luckily KFZK is quite good on that front.

That's a good motto frank.

FrankelandFilly Sat 12-Jul-14 20:24:04

We're here too euro, maybe not physically but we're here to try and offer words of comfort/wisdom, or if you just need a place to sound off.

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Sat 12-Jul-14 20:40:46

Oh I am sorry about all the tough days. Ankle hold for euro, it's so difficult. I just hope centime will thrive once s/he is here. And I saw great advice about practicalities.

The what have I done and emotional turmoil I recognise. I found ands find things much tougher than expected. Partly related to bv issues. But also the rest. Some days I just wept in pjs. But the highs are increasing (and we managed an emergency bath after a poonami yesterday).

Support is hugely important, my mum has done loads and looked after lembie for an hour or so twice: leaving the flat sans baby. Also good for sanity.

Loving the motto, will live by it!

GingerScouse Sat 12-Jul-14 21:41:41

Gripping a toe euro

<un-Mumsnetty hugs>

FriendofDorothy Sat 12-Jul-14 22:55:45

I just got really upset. Spent ages lying in the bath crying.

All because The Little Mister has been trying to Grandma today to my MIL. I am so resentful at times that he won't be bale to call my Mum that. It even pisses me off that they both wanted to be called Grandma and she won't be Granny or Nana or something.

I am sure I will be ok but I am hormonal and feeling fucking enormous. I saw a photo of myself today where I just looked huge and it really upset me.

FrankelandFilly Sun 13-Jul-14 13:46:02

Oh Dor I'm sorry, of course things like that are going to remind you of your mum. Have you spoken to the Mister about how you are feeling?
As for feeling huge, I've seen photos of you and you are by no means huge. It can be hard watching our bodies expand when we are constantly bombarded with the "perfect ideal" of being skinny. The way I looked at it was my body was doing something amazing, growing a new life, and tried not to focus on the expanding thighs/bum etc!

euro how are you doing today?

evilgiraffe Sun 13-Jul-14 14:19:10

Oh, dor sad

I had the same feeling, frank - I was so astonished that I was growing a baybee that I couldn't really get upset about being huge. I will say it is fabulous now the swollen feet have gone - I've never had dainty joints but right now I feel like my feet/ankles are really skinny grin

GingerScouse Sun 13-Jul-14 17:18:59

I'm just fed up with this horrible rash I have. I itch all over but it seems to just be prickly heat. MW doesn't seem bothered, anyway.

But I itch EVERYWHERE angry

TheBuggerlugs Sun 13-Jul-14 18:35:35

Winks strongly recommended E45 bath for itching skin Ginge. What have you tried on it so far?

A very productive day sorting various bits and pieces in the house and selling shit we don't need via fb groups. We've decided to save any cash we get for stuff for Buglet. I still want a Baroo cushion, sling and 2 Medala bottles with teats.

TheBuggerlugs Sun 13-Jul-14 21:34:18

I have toe cramp. In the toe next to ny big toe. It's very annoying.

GingerScouse Sun 13-Jul-14 22:02:01

Many, many showers and sudocrem!

FriendofDorothy Sun 13-Jul-14 22:24:40

Have you tried Bicarbonate of Soda in a bath?

JethroTull Sun 13-Jul-14 22:55:05

Sending calming & positive ESH thoughts to Euro.

winks hope you've had a good day today?

eurochick Sun 13-Jul-14 23:32:59

That sounds awful ginge. One thing I am grateful for is that I have had a physically easy pregnancy - some nausea, no puking, a little tiredness, no strange rashes, no high blood pressure, one instance of indigestion and one of heartburn. Emotionally however, it has been a complete shitfest - the lack of early symptoms, the 3 week bleed, the worry stemming from the 20 week scan about my crappy placenta and then 5 weeks of stress about when to deliver.

I'm in reflective mood as we will get a call tomorrow morning to hear if they have a NICU cot free, and if we do, we will go ahead. It will be my dreaded CS because the consultant I thought was lovely has turned into a bit of an arrogant tosser and won't even have a discussion about other options. Once he's sewn me up (hopefully neatly) I plan to tell him exactly what I think of him. The discussion might not have changed the outcome, but I needed to understand exactly why an apparently small but otherwise healthy baby couldn't have attempted a VB when there are so many examples of babies of this gestation being born that way without problems, but he wouldn't even talk it through. I'm resigned to my fate but unhappy about it.

TheOriginalWinkly Mon 14-Jul-14 06:45:29

Hope you got some sleep euro. I'm sorry the consultant has become a dick. I can't see why they can't take 5 minutes to talk things through properly. Arrogant twat. I'll be thinking of you today.

jeffers much better day yesterday thanks. Baby was an eating and snoozing angel who turned up the cute for visitors. PITA SIL & BIL visited and were true to form, telling me, amongst other gems, that having her sleep in the same room as me meant she would never ever settle in her own room.

ginge the itching is awful. Yes to e45 bath oil, terrific stuff. Showers just dried me out more.

dor how are you today? I struggled a bit with feeling enormous, apart from at the very end when I was beyond caring. Its a massive change to your body in a short space of time. But nobody is thinking the things about you that you are. Try to be kind to yourself and remember it's only temporary.

FrankelandFilly Mon 14-Jul-14 07:24:51


FrankelandFilly Mon 14-Jul-14 07:27:27

euro I hope you get the call sooner rather than later so that you're not left hanging in limbo. Agree that you should tell the consultant what you think of his bedside manner. I'm sending you all my positive thoughts.

winks glad things feel like they're on the improve. I found that there were plenty of up and down days in the first few weeks. It's impossible to get anything resembling a routine at this stage so just go with whatever makes your life easier.

eurochick Mon 14-Jul-14 07:45:34

Morning ladies. I just can't stop crying today. I'm not even sure what I'm crying for any more. I think I'm grieving for the lost weeks of pregnancy and worried about me and worried about the baby - everything together I think. I feel like today should be the happiest day of my life but I just feel utterly, utterly wretched.

Centime is kicking away and I don't think he/she wants to be evicted. It makes me so sad to think of him/her out in the world so tiny.

winks your BIL and SIL sound like gems.

Euro I would say cry all you need as it will help more than bottling it up. The worry is bound to be terrible however hopefully you will feel better once centime arrives and you aren't doing 'what if' scenarios in your head. <proffers tissues and grips toe tighter>

TheBuggerlugs Mon 14-Jul-14 07:56:28

Oh Euro sad (((hugs))).You've had the shittest time and you are perfectly allowed to cry and be angry at the consultant.

My bump is killing me today. It aches so badly I need a short person to come and support it for me when I walk. I have a supplier coming in to see me this morning otherwise I'd be taking the day off. Urgh all round.

FrankelandFilly Mon 14-Jul-14 08:17:57

euro the tears are totally understandable, heck I'd be concerned if you weren't upset. Make sure you tell everyone you see at the hospital that you are worried about things, they deal with these situations all the time and will be able to offer you support. Even if it's just a midwife to hold your hand.

TheOriginalWinkly Mon 14-Jul-14 10:17:09

More hugs and handholds here. You've had such a bloody slog every step of the way, it just isn't fair.

Fankletastic Mon 14-Jul-14 10:18:22

Sorry you're having to go through this Euro. No wonder you are so upset and anxious. Hoping it will be one of those things where the build up and dread is far worse than the actual reality- I am sure everything will be just fine and centime will be a trooper.
Sending lots of luck and brave thoughts.

eurochick Mon 14-Jul-14 10:24:32

ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH. They had a cot but then someone gave birth at 24 weeks, so we are back in limbo land. I'm not sure how much more of this either of us can take.

TheOriginalWinkly Mon 14-Jul-14 10:25:08

Oh fuck sad

FrankelandFilly Mon 14-Jul-14 10:50:04

Oh no, euro. How frustrating for you. In some respects it's a good thing they're not in a rush to get centime out but you being stuck in limbo is awful sad

GingerScouse Mon 14-Jul-14 12:24:23

Oh euro, what a shit-fest sad

It's not fair for you to be going through all these ups and downs. Cry all you need to, I cried this morning over absolutely nothing, whereas you have every reason to be upset and frustrated.

TheBuggerlugs Mon 14-Jul-14 17:01:02

How you managed to do something enjoyable with your day Euro.

I have serious preggo brain today. I've cocked up so many things!!

TheBuggerlugs Mon 14-Jul-14 17:01:37

Including HOPE it would seem.

Hope you've done something Euro, not how!!!

evilgiraffe Mon 14-Jul-14 17:44:06

Oh, euro, I can't even begin to understand how you must be feeling sad Huge hugs and we're all here for you any time.

JethroTull Mon 14-Jul-14 20:12:13

Oh bloody hell Euro how frustrating for you. I hope you get some sort of resolution quickly.

FriendofDorothy Mon 14-Jul-14 20:12:32

So, obstetrician appointment today. All is well, he thinks the baby is quite big but made the observation that better to have a bigger abdomen measurement than a head measurement as the abdomen is squishy!!!

We had another scan too and saw the baby practicing breathing. Gorgeous!

eurochick Mon 14-Jul-14 20:24:04

That's good dor. Mine was not cooperating at all for today's monitoring scan. He/she had hiccups and then kicked the sonographer a few times. I think centime feels the same way about drs and hospitals that I do.

I'm exhausted. I think it's all the stress because I haven't done anything - in fact unusually for me I napped for a couple of hours in the middle of the day. Wednesday is the next possible eviction day, apparently, again dependent on NICU cot availability.

JethroTull Mon 14-Jul-14 20:30:27

Sleep is A Good Thing Euro. Fingers crossed for Wednesday. If it's any relevance, my scar is hardly visible now. Very neat.

TheBuggerlugs Mon 14-Jul-14 20:54:37

Evening all. Been for a bit of acupuncture, it was lovely.

I'm so bloody bored at work at the moment. I need to be really busy and I'm not. How people drag tasks out I'll never know. I hate not having loads to do.

Nokkie73 Mon 14-Jul-14 20:59:55

Just caught-up with the Fred, Euro. I just wanted to pile in with all my support, positive thoughts and best wishes for Centime and both of you. I don't know if you remember but I had an emergency c-section after hours fucking weeks in labour and the nipper was found to be breach. I was really worried about the recovery and being, basically, housebound for ages. I wasn't - I managed to get out most days (even if it was ten mins up the road and back) and, as long as I took it slowly, I made progress every day. I feared a c-section, but it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. I know that your situation is different, but at this stage, I just wanted to let you know that I actually had a positive c-section experience.

ALittleFaith Tue 15-Jul-14 07:10:24

Also adding to the pile <grabs euro's elbow> I hope this horrible stress is over soon and praying for a safe arrival if centime.

FriendofDorothy Tue 15-Jul-14 08:42:39

I have no get up and go at all today.

I have two more days after today at work and loads to do and I can't be bothered!

eurochick Tue 15-Jul-14 09:18:35

Thanks Jeff and noks, and to everyone else for their thoughts and prayers. That's good to know about the recovery and scar. In terms of the recovery, I'm most worried about getting to and from the hospital to see centime. I think that is going to be fucking painful tough.

Dor it's great that you only have two days left. I've largely given up on working from home.

FriendofDorothy Tue 15-Jul-14 10:19:03

HOw far do you have to travel euro?

eurochick Tue 15-Jul-14 19:38:04

In miles I have no idea but it'll be a bumpy cab ride through London traffic. Probably 20mins on a clear run. At busier times, who knows.

FrankelandFilly Tue 15-Jul-14 19:48:08

Euro I hope you manage to get some rest tonight, I'll be thinking of you and KFZK tomorrow.

FriendofDorothy Tue 15-Jul-14 19:48:43

Did you look into hotels nearby?

JethroTull Tue 15-Jul-14 19:58:38

Euro iirc it's the getting up & down that's the painful bit for a few days. Someone gave me a tip - stick a maternity pad between the dressing & your pants (buy massive pants) to help cushion the scar & avoid chaffing. I lived in yoga hareem bottoms for about 2 months.

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Wed 16-Jul-14 00:54:53

Thinking of you three, euro!

evilgiraffe Wed 16-Jul-14 07:45:21

Agreed, Jeff, changing position is the hardest bit. Also second massive pants - I'm currently in size 20 full briefs that come up to my bellybutton and are gloriously comfortable.

Thinking of you, euro, and today you will have your baybee! Hope all goes well smile

JethroTull Wed 16-Jul-14 07:58:01

Everything crossed for you & Centime today Euro. Everything.

JethroTull Wed 16-Jul-14 07:58:54

Draf those pants sound niiiiiice grin

FrankelandFilly Wed 16-Jul-14 08:41:13

Thinking of you

FrankelandFilly Wed 16-Jul-14 08:41:13

Thinking of you

FrankelandFilly Wed 16-Jul-14 08:41:48

Damn this iPad!

Thinking of you today euro

ALittleFaith Wed 16-Jul-14 08:57:24

Me too euro. We're all here thanks

eurochick Wed 16-Jul-14 09:17:38

I've heard that tip too, jeff.

Dor there are several hotels nearby but it's a tourist area and the school holidays so they will be pricey and might not have availability. Plus I think I just want to be home asap.

It's not today anyway. We were on our way in when we got the call to say there was no cot again. I'm not sure how much more my nerves can take. I haven't slept in days and twice now I have psyched myself up to do the thing I dread most and had to come back from that. I'm spending hours each day crying. I'm at the end of my rope.

TheBuggerlugs Wed 16-Jul-14 09:26:15

Could you consider a different hospital Euro? Have you spoken to your mw about how you feel?

I really wish I could do something more than simply hold you in my thoughts.

FriendofDorothy Wed 16-Jul-14 09:42:50

Euro have you managed to speak to your Gp or midwife. I would rarely recommend it but a low dose of something like diazepam may really help just to take the edge of your emotions at the moment and help you get through the next day or two?

Does the hospital have counsellors available or anyone who can spend time with you just offering some support?

How is your other half coping? Is he helping you manage your anxiety or making it worse?

FrankelandFilly Wed 16-Jul-14 14:39:43


eurochick Wed 16-Jul-14 14:40:44

KFZK is being brilliant. I wish I wasn't such a headcase about the section so that he could focus on the baby rather than worry about me.

bugs I chose the surgeon and this is where he works. I hope the baby can be transferred to my local hospital as soon as it is stable, but that comes down to cot availability again. Even then, we will be reliant on taxis as KFZK doesn't drive and I won't be able to. Still, it is a shorter journey.

dor I don't do drugs (more than I absolutely have to). Plus I hold a firearms licence which is a great stress outlet, and I don't want that to be affected for being a looper for a few days.

FrankelandFilly Wed 16-Jul-14 14:41:24

Oh Euro I'm sorry they are messing you about again. I agree with Dor, can you talk to someone about it all? the anxiety can't be doing you any good and you need to be in a good frame of mind to get through the next few weeks.

FriendofDorothy Wed 16-Jul-14 14:59:54

Having a few days of diazepam shouldn't negate your right to hold a firearms licence, but I do understand your reluctance.

TheBuggerlugs Wed 16-Jul-14 18:42:11

Hope you can get some rest tonight Euro and I also hope that this all comes to a conclusion tomorrow. I really wish yo could just have some gin or whatever to take the edge off it all.

I've booked my first holiday with Buglet. I'm going on a Sun £9.50 caravan holiday to Filey with friends in May grin I'm stupidly excited about it (and wouldn't normally be seen dead there) but it will be great fun.

FrankelandFilly Wed 16-Jul-14 19:20:52

Sounds fun Bugs grin I was chatting to one of my work colleagues who took her daughter to DisneyWorld for her birthday 2 weeks ago. She said it was surprisingly non-tacky and everyone was so nice (especially when they found out it was her daughter's 10th birthday) and it was really well organised. It made me feel excited to think we could take E there further down the line. The trick is to go before they're 9 as they classify anyone 10 or over as an adult hmm

Hope you can get some rest tonight Euro. Is there a plan B, s obviously they can't keep putting you off indefinitely.

TheBuggerlugs Wed 16-Jul-14 19:33:53

Disney world officially pisses all over my Filey cornflakes grin

GP and I are also planning a week darn sarf too but he hasn't bloody told me his shifts for next summer yet so we can't book it.

FrankelandFilly Wed 16-Jul-14 19:39:07

Oh we'll need to save about a squillion quid to go to DisneyWorld, but it sounds like it might be fun, rather than the hell on earth I previously thought! Don't get me wrong, I love disney films but the idea of enforced happiness is a bit odd to me <grinch>

JethroTull Wed 16-Jul-14 19:59:05

Isn't diazepam really addictive?

It must be so frustrating for you & KFZK Euro, no wonder you're at the end of your rope. What Frank said about a plan B - you can't go on like this much longer?

TheBuggerlugs Wed 16-Jul-14 20:04:53

Oh God there is a total 'woo' woman on the 'She's having a baby' programme on living. Her parents are witches ffs

This could be interesting!

ALittleFaith Wed 16-Jul-14 20:26:23

bugs I went to that site on a holiday a couple of years ago and it was luffly! We had a really good time. Is it the Haven site?

Diazepam is good stuff. Kills pain and makes you feel a bit floaty. I took it for about 6 weeks when I had a horrible virus (agonising headache, honestly I'd do labour over again 10 times over that). I was able to stop no problem. Long term codeine use was another story though.

euro I'm so sorry you're going through this. Do whatever you need to to cope.

JethroTull Wed 16-Jul-14 20:31:01

Maybe I'm getting mixed up with something else. When I was younger people used to take something like them for 'fun' - called them Jellies.

I got good painkillers after the C-sec. Liquid morphiene. grin

TheBuggerlugs Wed 16-Jul-14 20:47:50

Its the Blue Dolphin site Faith. As a child i went to Promise Valley a lot and loved it. I'm excited as I'm going with my best friend and her son and I'll feel like (and be) a proper parent instead of wishing I was one.

ALittleFaith Wed 16-Jul-14 21:23:41

I think I've been to both! It's such an awesome feeling to be a mum. I cherish it every day. Today Faithlet was in my lap and we were singing songs. She was laughing away and I suddenly realised that she thinks I'm great! smile Now she actively chooses to come for a cuddle, just the yummiest thing ever.

TheBuggerlugs Wed 16-Jul-14 21:24:29

She'll think you're ace until she's about 14 and then she'll think your ancient and embarrassing! wink

FrankelandFilly Wed 16-Jul-14 21:29:14

Aww that's so sweet Faith, I can't wait till E is that age grin

FriendofDorothy Wed 16-Jul-14 21:30:17

Diazepam is really addictive but it is also very useful at certain times!

The Little Mister is splendid these days but his tantrums are something else!! Terrible twos come early I think!

ALittleFaith Wed 16-Jul-14 21:41:48

Oh I'm already a mean mummy because I won't give her cups of tea hmm but yes it's a scrummy age!

FrankelandFilly Wed 16-Jul-14 21:44:23

I've been told it's:

Terrible Twos
Fucking Fours


Apparently they're quite nice between 5 and 9 and then the pre-teens kick in and it all goes to hell in a hand cart till they're about 19 grin

TheBuggerlugs Thu 17-Jul-14 11:57:00

Wanker boss is up to his old tricks again.

He can get fucked. Any more shit and I won't be coming back after my leave next week!

eurochick Thu 17-Jul-14 12:06:33

Oh no. What's he up to?

TheBuggerlugs Thu 17-Jul-14 12:09:00

I'm leading on something that I've been asking him all week for a catch up on as the aim isn't clear, achievable or realistic. He's been putting me off and we're down to meet this aft to go through it. He's sent an email this morning saying I'm not doing anything on it to me abd other people!!!!! I've sent a very professional but clear reply to all basically saying that he hasn't got all the facts. We work in a no blame culture but he loves lobbing blame bricks.

TheBuggerlugs Thu 17-Jul-14 13:52:17

I've just been in to Subway for my lunch and the staff were behind the counter having a whale of a time. I stood there waiting to order before they noticed me and then one of them shouted "sorry love we're just discussing surrogacy" . I smiled and said its fine, to then get" we're trying to persuade him (points at male colleague) to let his wife carry her (points at female colleague) baby.

I said that it was fine again and then one of them said, loudly, "she can't have kids, she's got no womb. She was born without one".

I looked at the poor girl they were talking about and just said "sorry about This hope you're ok. Pregnancy doesn't come easy to most people" . She looked so blush

What complete and utter morons.

eurochick Fri 18-Jul-14 06:21:22

For those of you not on t'other place, Baby, a girl, arrived yesterday at exactly 34 weeks. She weighs a teeny tiny three and a half pounds and is in intensive care but seems to be doing well. I've seen her for about three seconds so far as I had a bit of a bad time with the section and aftermath. I particularly don't recommend puking with fresh abdominal stitches. Hoping to be able to get up and see her soon.

Thanks to all for your support with the menkulling over recent days and weeks. This has been so hard.

evilgiraffe Fri 18-Jul-14 07:32:25

Congratulations, euro smile thanks I sympathise with c-section puking; it is deeply unpleasant. Hope you get to spend most of today staring at your gorgeous new baybee!

JethroTull Fri 18-Jul-14 07:32:43

Didn't want to write too much on your FB Euro but bloody well done! She's here! I hope you get to spend some time with her today & that things start to get better for you all.

TheOriginalWinkly Fri 18-Jul-14 07:32:51

Well done euro and congratulations on your DD (I knew centime was a girl!) I woke up this morning hoping we'd not heard from you yesterday because you'd had her.

3 and a half pounds is teeny but nowhere near as scary-small as they were talking about, so hopefully she'll make good progress. Sorry your section was awful (no, the puking doesn't sound ideal) - fingers crossed you have a very swift recovery physically, and can start to heal mentally now you're out of that god awful limbo. Hugest of hugs for you xx

katandkits Fri 18-Jul-14 07:56:58

Congratulations euro! Glad she is safely here and doing well. Hope you get to spend more time with her very soon

FrankelandFilly Fri 18-Jul-14 08:31:12

Massive congratulations to you Euro - you did it, you won your baybee! Wishing you a very speedy recovery and that centime piles on the pounds quickly.

So the pink ESHlets seem to be dominating at the moment, 9 pink to 3 blue in the current crop by my reckoning!

GingerScouse Fri 18-Jul-14 08:44:14

Congrats euro! Enjoy snuggling centime xx

Don't worry frank, I've got a feeling that miniginge is a boy. Dunno why, just have!

Euro, that is fabulous news. Hoping that you are feeling a bit better now the section is out the way and you can see centime. You were, many moons ago, one of the reasons I joined the besh (after reading the famous five thread and being in stitches) so I am thrilled you have won your baybee

If t'other place has pictures I am going to sulk

FrankelandFilly Fri 18-Jul-14 08:48:52

We can post picture on here now Merks wink

katandkits Fri 18-Jul-14 09:07:35

My money is on buglet being a boy too. Based on the very scientific method of 50/50 guessing.

TheOriginalWinkly Fri 18-Jul-14 09:12:31

I would guess more but I was absolutely convinced my baby was a boy. So much so that, even though it was clear as day on the 20 week scan, I made HWCA check again after she was born.

We had a looong night with a hot thirsty baby last night.

TheBuggerlugs Fri 18-Jul-14 09:15:16

Nearly everyone I speak to guesses boy based on the very scientific evidence of the 'feelings' they have. smile

Huge hugs and congratulations to Euro. I really hope today is day 1 of your new life and the start of a nice easy recovery.

I'm having the GTT test today Hags. I'm bloody starving. I specifically asked for the test as a friend's baby died at 40w due to her having GD and not being diagnosed due to her not being seen as high risk. I'm starting to regret it now though as I could eat a scabby mule. Better safe than sorry and all that though.

SinkyMalinks Fri 18-Jul-14 09:16:16

Congrats Euro! I'll be a bit more effusive now R has stopped screaming (as loud and constantly!). You've done amazingly. Agree with winks - that's a decent weight for gestation (25th centile?). Also agree with merk - I remember you like the cool head girl when I joined the besh.

Much love (concealed in battered prawns (y'know, the Iceland party ring? We're celebrating, innit?))

SinkyMalinks Fri 18-Jul-14 09:20:51

Oh, Bugs, I was thinking a girl for you?

And winks - shitty(er) night here as well - couldn't put the monkey down, so co sleeping with him attached to boob all night. Sigh.

Another one with a baby on the boob all night. But that's not so unusual for us so I don't feel too bad

TheBuggerlugs Fri 18-Jul-14 09:45:09

Controversial Sinks. You're only 1 of 3 that have said girl.

Well I can report that the drink involved in the GTT test is the vilest thing ever invented. The first cup was nice but the 2nd took some serious forcing down. Now I have to sit here for 2 hours listening to a pretty awful woman speak to her child like shit. Marvellous.

TheOriginalWinkly Fri 18-Jul-14 10:20:48

Sympathies bugs, the GTT is rubbish. Can you sit elsewhere in the hospital? The drinks are vile, I had heard some do Lucozade but no such luck.

TheBuggerlugs Fri 18-Jul-14 10:37:40

Family of the year have left and it's nice and peaceful now.

The drink was nice until I reached the 2nd cup and it was so thick and sweet. I feel ok now though and only have an hour left to go.

TheOriginalWinkly Fri 18-Jul-14 11:56:29

Hopefully you've had something to eat now bugs

Has anyone else started to think Centime actually sounds like a nice name for euro's baybee? I mean, yes it's a coin but so is Penny... Or do I need a nap? smile

ALittleFaith Fri 18-Jul-14 13:46:32

Er euro do you realise you used real names here? Might want MNHQ to edit your post for anonymity?

I know what you mean Winks. I had some interesting bizarre desires for names. Think it's the hormones.

TheBuggerlugs Fri 18-Jul-14 14:28:54

Food consumed and sleep had. Phew I feel a lot better now.

Got a few hours work to do and then I'm on leave for a week. Yippeeeee smile smile

evilgiraffe Fri 18-Jul-14 15:39:36

If it's any comfort, bugs, I had lucozade for my GTT and that was bloody awful too. <puke>

It is crazy hot here. I am sat with my feet in a washing up bowl of tepid water (heaven) while the calf is in the pram and hopefully not overheating. I'd much rather be wrapping her up warm than panicking that I can't keep her cool.

eurochick Fri 18-Jul-14 15:44:14

Thanks ladies. Centime is actually a lovely name...

Faif good spot but should have been edited within a few mins by the lovely mnhq. I was on a lot of drugs when I posted!

Bugs I really didn't enjoy the gtt either. I hope you get a negative result.

Kfzk has just taken my parents down to see centime and she is off all breathing support! Yay. I'm going to see her again in a minute.

TheOriginalWinkly Fri 18-Jul-14 15:47:09

Oh hooray, clever girl Centime! How are you feeling euro?

FrankelandFilly Fri 18-Jul-14 16:01:07

Oh that's fantastic news euro grin Hope you get to have a squish with her.

Draf I know what you mean about the worry of them over heating. Day time is fine because if needs be I just strip E down to a nappy on her mat, but at night I stress. She has a 0.5 tog grobag which says to use a sleeveless vest if temps are over 24 degrees, but I still worry that it is too much! Last night was ok, it was 26 degrees when I went to bed but the overnight storms brought it down to 22 degrees by morning. I've just been up to check the thermometer and it's 27.4 at the moment shock

TheBuggerlugs Fri 18-Jul-14 16:11:59

Euro that really is wonderful news. Those steroid jabs clearly did the trick to get her lungs as ready as possible. We'd love to see a pic on t'other place if yo feel up to sharing one. No pressure if not though.

Should have had the GTT call by now so assuming it's negative. The clinic have the results by 3pm. I might ring on Monday just to confirm but I'm not worrying I'm just glad it's done.

I have 8 weeks of work left and of those, only 31 of them are in the office. Yippeee grin

ALittleFaith Fri 18-Jul-14 16:13:11

Oh that's brilliant news euro! She is a little trooper. I hope you get lovely cuddles.

The heat is tricky. I tried putting Faithlet down in her vest (without sleeping bag) but she practiced walking up and down her cot! She's currently being put in a vest and 0.5 tog sleeping bag.

Yippee for holiday bugs! You off anywhere? We're going to IOW next weekend smile

TheBuggerlugs Fri 18-Jul-14 16:46:30

Having a staycation Faith and doing house jobs / seeing friends / celebrating our wedding anniversary / sleeping / eating / sewing etc.

TheOriginalWinkly Fri 18-Jul-14 16:58:16

That sounds lovely bugs

Another one stressing about baby overheating. The Gro egg is angry in our room. I put her 'down' - for all she stayed down - in just a vest then added the 0.5tog grobag when the storms cooled the room.

evilgiraffe Fri 18-Jul-14 17:17:59

No room-cooling storms here (yet) sad The calf has spent the last two days and nights in just a vest - at least chucking a blanket over her if need be is easy!

Excellent news, euro! <waves pompoms for centime>

JethroTull Fri 18-Jul-14 19:11:20

winks MiniJeff is in his nappy & a 0.5 gro bag. Window wide open! Fingers crossed.

FrankelandFilly Fri 18-Jul-14 19:49:45

E is currently just in a vest in a 30 degree bedroom shock the windows are as wide as I can open them at the moment because the blackout blinds are stuck to them, once it gets dark I'll take them down and open them a bit wider. I have a feeling tonight could be a rough night, she's had me up to her twice already and she's only been down an hour and a half <sigh>

Euro that's great great news! Go centime

30 degrees here, E in a vest with a fan pointed her way and is still sweating. Come on storms

SinkyMalinks Fri 18-Jul-14 21:15:00

Wow, it's "only" 26 degrees here and R is asleep upstairs in a vest - and has been down for 90min so far... He is still in our bed though, so there's still the move to manage... Bets that he'll stay awake? Unlikely.

Thinking of you and centime tonight Euro.

eurochick Sat 19-Jul-14 08:35:08

Thanks ladies. Will add photos when I get home. Hozzie inter web connection is a bit crap.

Not seen centime yet today but will go down to nicu once I have had a shower. She gave us a scare last night by choking on the first feed they had us put down her abdominal line. Cue alarms going off and red lights flashing until a nurse came to rescue us with a suction thingy. Terrifying. Apparently the gut is one of the last things to develop so it's not wholly surprising but very scary. Hoping to get some skin to skin later.

I'm pleasantly surprised by the speed of my recovery. I'm only 36 hrs post CS and won't be running any marathons soon but I'm hobbling around the hospital pretty well now. I'm hoping I can be discharged later (although that does mean facing the journey to and fro to see centime). Getting up from laying down is still the hardest part.

TheBuggerlugs Sat 19-Jul-14 09:02:45

Gosh Euro that does sound terrifying but glad it was sorted swiftly. Good news about the recovery, I honestly believe a lot of it is mind over matter and considering you went through EC without sedation you aren't going to let a bit of pain get in your way. You are rock hard woman.

Can't wait to see some photos to coo over. Hope you get a lovely cuddle today.

SinkyMalinks Sat 19-Jul-14 09:41:10

My section recovery sounds similar - rough first night and loo trip but rapidly better after that. Take it easy though - bad patient sinky probably did too much (although is have cursed/laughed at you if you'd try to tell me that). Somehow I suspect you might do similar.

Sorry centime gave you a scare, but sounds like it was sorted quickly? Does this mean anything for her feeding or is it just a case of push on?

Today I'm trying to figure out what to do on a v rainy Saturday with a baby. Not shopping, rain is torrential so a walk, even with appropriate clothing, isn't appealing... Went swimming yesterday and all the stuff is still in the machine waiting to be washed...

evilgiraffe Sat 19-Jul-14 11:51:59

Yes, euro, getting up is definitely the hardest part - I lived going home but really missed the magic bed with all the buttons so it could sit me up rather than me having to do it! Glad you're feeling okay smile It does sound very scary having centime struggle with feeding, but I guess she'll improve as she gets to practise? Enjoy your cuddles smile

Today I have been practising feeding on my own without HOTB fending off the calf's flailing hands. Success was limited - eventually got her latched on, but with many tears of frustration on both sides first. She hates having her arms restrained (wrapped up in a muslin), but I can't think of a better way to keep her hands out of the way?

TheOriginalWinkly Sat 19-Jul-14 11:59:52

draf download The Womanly Art Of Breastfeeding, full chapter on positions for getting baby attached hands-free leaving you a spare hand to restrain her

SinkyMalinks Sat 19-Jul-14 12:00:16

Draf, R was a bugger for that. Eventually you realise you can be quite forceful with your hold on them...

TheOriginalWinkly Sat 19-Jul-14 12:12:14

For me its the feet. I was feeding topless in the heat but I can only tolerate being kicked in the free nipple so many times! Anyway the book has a very twee name but I've found it brilliant.

euro glad the recovery is going well. Fwiw I found getting up and down pretty painful with fanjo stitches too. Hope the healing is good and speedy, but try to not push yourself too hard. That must have been scary with the feeding.

evilgiraffe Sat 19-Jul-14 12:30:36

My friend has lent me that book, winks, so I'll search for that chapter, thank you! I put it down in disgust quite early on because it basically said "if it hurts, you're doing it wrong, you massive idiot" and it was so disheartening it made me cry. If it actually has something useful to say I'll give it a second chance, though!

katandkits Sat 19-Jul-14 13:58:33

Draf I have had similar with the disco arms. For the first week or two I mostly had to swaddle the kitty for feeding. She is better now but it takes practise. Try to offer boob before she reaches the frantic fist chewing stage and definitely read that book, it is most helpful for many breastfeeding problems.

TheOriginalWinkly Sat 19-Jul-14 14:02:00

A fair bit of it is hippy claptrap but its worth persevering, the actual information is fantastic, it's helped me no end.

SinkyMalinks Sat 19-Jul-14 14:09:26

I've just downloaded it to my kindle. I'd avoided it due to what I thought was hippy drippy claptrap.

The bit about natural birth and accepting the "good pain" as if failure to do that is the reason for interventions, but the chapters on feeding have been a bit of a revelation!

katandkits Sat 19-Jul-14 14:21:40

There is another good book,baby led breastfeeding, which is not hippy claptrap so far as I remember and also has good information.

Although I strongly dislike hippy claptrap, I can say it was much easier to establish breastfeeding with a baby that had not been exposed to four shots of pethidine!

FriendofDorothy Sat 19-Jul-14 15:31:52

I found that to stop The Little Mister flailing around I had to tuck his arm closest to my body under my arm and then hold tight to the other arm.

Fanjo stitches were painful but nothing in comparison to the vulval variscosity that took 8 weeks to heal. It made getting off chairs and sitting very painful.

Isn't the flailing them trying (unsuccessfully) to use hands to help them find the nipple? I'm sure I read that though not sure how true it is but it recommended giving them something to grip in their top hand pre latching (eg a muslin) and trapping their bottom arm as described below

FriendofDorothy Sat 19-Jul-14 20:04:24

I bought several of these necklaces from [[https://www.etsy.com/uk/shop/monkeymamanecklaces Monkey Mama].

It meant that The Little Mister had something safe to fiddle with.

FriendofDorothy Sat 19-Jul-14 20:04:57

Monkey Mama

Take 2.

eurochick Sat 19-Jul-14 20:13:01

No magic bed for me tonight draf - I've been discharged! It has been a crazy day. We'd mentioned to one of the nurses last night that we would be happy for centime to be moved to our local hospital once I was discharged as it would make it easier to spend time with her. At 11 this morning, we were told she was being moved there at noon! So we then sorted out my own discharge, got my parents to pick us up in their nice car with smooth suspension, and got me home this afternoon. Then we've just been out to see her in her new home. It's not as swish, but the staff seem nice and we can spend time with her more easily. The only hiccup is that she is now jaundiced for the first time and so was back in an incubator and under special lights. That meant we couldn't hold her. I've only held her twice so far. <sob> But she is doing really well - they wouldn't have moved her otherwise. I, however, am absolutely shattered!

Next challenge is sorting out the feeding. The expressing is going a bit better but it's hard work. I started later than I would have wanted to because I felt so rough after the section. Hopefully my milk will come in soon.

I'm reading all the breast feeding info with interest. I have all that to come!

katandkits Sat 19-Jul-14 20:19:18

Woo hoo! Must be great to be home!

Expressing is hard work but it will be worth it.I think you need to do 8 times a day including once in the middle of the night. You'll hardly get anything at first until 3 or 4 days after the birth when your milk comes in. Have you had any professional advice about breastfeeding and expressing for a preemie? I have read somewhere that looking at a photo of your baby while you express is useful.

Now you are home I hope you have a lovely lovely sleep tonight. I bet you have hardly slept in weeks.

ALittleFaith Sat 19-Jul-14 20:32:31

Oh that's generally positive euro! So glad centime is near you so you can visit easily.

The hospital taught me how to hand express colostrum and Faithlet took it from a syringe. They also got me expressing when my milk came in (day 3 for me). (Not sure if you'll have seen my posts from back then - because she was low birth weight she struggled with feeding so we BF and then she had hand expressed colostrum and formula from a cup to start with, then EBM top ups after my milk came in. By day 5 she was latching better and we didn't need the top ups).

TheBuggerlugs Sat 19-Jul-14 20:41:44

Yey to being home Euro. Has Centime got a name yet?

Is there too much thing as too many Braxton Hicks? I get about 10 a day.

FrankelandFilly Sat 19-Jul-14 20:51:15

So glad you are home Euro and hurrah that Centime has been moved closer to home. I hope the jaundice clears up quickly and that the feeding issues resolve quickly.

With expressing, just bear in mind that what you can express is not necessarily an indicator of your supply. Lots of women see they can only get a few oz off when expressing and assume their supply is low.

ALittleFaith Sat 19-Jul-14 20:58:17

bugs I had them loads. I only had to cross the car park at work to set them off! I spoke to my midwife who said she thought I had an 'irritable uterus'. The suggestion was to rest if they came on not bloody likely on the ward!. If they don't stop obviously seek medical help.

Euro it all sounds really positive, hurrah. I'm crap at expressing but 3 tips. Colostrum only exists in tiny amounts, it looks pathetic but it's like super concentrated gold dust type stuff! You need to be consistent with expressing and regular and you will gradually get more each day. Keep pumping for a while after the flow stops...you will normally get a second let down. And mornings are the best time for pumping grin

JethroTull Sun 20-Jul-14 02:39:39

Yay Euro!! I'll pass on the BF advice because I couldn't do it. Medula pumps were my best friend for a while. Does it feel odd not to be pregnant?

TheBuggerlugs Sun 20-Jul-14 09:17:08

Morning all. I've been awake since 7 as GP was on nights and woke me up when he came to bed. I've walked the dog and had a fruit salad and now I could easily have a little nap but I'm off out to a family day with friends.

We've chosen the names for Buglet but I think we need a couple of reserve names just in case. How hard is it to choose a name for a person!!!!!

TheOriginalWinkly Sun 20-Jul-14 10:04:43

Hooray euro! Hope you've managed a better night's sleep in your own bed and that Centime kicks the jaundice's ass. She's shaping up to be a tough little thing. Good luck expressing.

bugs I think it's weird picking someone's name. I keep looking at the baby wondering if I picked the right one. I mean, I like the name, but is it hers?

I'm utterly shattered. Some neighbours had a noisy party until the wee hours. I hope the ones playing drinking games have disgusting 2 day hangovers. I was getting to the point of stabbing something if I heard pharell bloody williams played again. Happy? Not fucking very.

TheBuggerlugs Sun 20-Jul-14 10:33:03

Winks I love the name you've chosen. It's my sister's name and it's girly without being too twee.

CuntyChops Sun 20-Jul-14 17:00:31

Hi all, I hope everyone's well! I've not posted for ages as I've been in a bit of a pregnancy limbo - felt too pregnant for BESH but not quite pregnant enough for PESH. I've been catching up on what's been happening.

Euro - I'm sorry you've had such a shit time of it all lately, but congratulations on the arrival of Centime! Hopefully it'll be onwards and upwards for both of you from now on. Wishing you a speedy recovery!

Winks - your neighbours sound as inconsiderate as ours. Have you tried putting a stereo against their wall in the early morning and blasting out something loud and tasteless? As you say, with any luck they'll be suffering for a few days with nasty hangovers. Fuckers.

Draf - breastfeeding sounds like a bit of a nightmare! Having no experience I can't offer any advice, other than to quote Bob Dylan: "Keep on keeping on."

I'm 11 weeks now and had my booking appointment with a student midwife last week. It all went pretty well, until I got home and had a read through my notes... some pretty huge mistakes! For example, she'd ticked the boxes saying my blood screen tested positive for HIV and Hepatitis B, but possibly even worse than that she also ticked the 'yes' box to the question 'is the baby's father a blood relative?' What the fuck!? Mr Chops and I have been joking about the last one, but they could seriously affect my care pathway! I don't want to get the student in trouble as she was really good with everything else, but I do need to rectify the errors. Anyway, I'm hoping that when I have the 12 week scan I'll actually feel like it's all a bit more real. Plus, I've got 6 weeks off school now! smile

FriendofDorothy Sun 20-Jul-14 22:05:04

Awww <sniff>

My sister and friend threw me a lovely baby shower today. It made me cry.

I didn't want a big do with lots of ridiculous games but I was so grateful that people came to acknowledge what a shitty year it has been and to help me celebrate the good stuff.

TheBuggerlugs Sun 20-Jul-14 22:14:51

Cunty that is shocking. It needs bringing up so they can check the other ladies records. How on earth can you get a yes and no box mixed up?!

Do you have a date for the 12 week scan? It's pretty awesome to see them looking like a small baby at that stage. The photos of Centime on t'other place bring it home even more.

She's beautiful Euro.

<yells> wants to see photos <sulks>

TheOriginalWinkly Mon 21-Jul-14 09:50:14

cunty that is shocking! Those aren't little mistakes by anyone's standards (does she want your nickname to be IncestyChops?) Good luck at the 12 week scan, its a nice one (when you've passed the stomach rotting terror stage), you can see arms and legs and Actual Baybee smile

dor hooray for good friends. Was there cake?

CuntyChops Mon 21-Jul-14 10:02:17

<Considers name changing to IncestyChops> ..... <quickly reconsiders>

I know, they're fairly whopping mistakes! I don't want her to get into trouble as she was so lovely and was brilliant at taking my blood - I usually faint and get myself into a right UnBESHly state when I have blood tests but she was very good. I will mention it when I see my usual midwife at 16 weeks. Waiting for the letter with the 12-week scan appointment - so it's normal to feel terrified as well as excited about it then? I'm so scared of mmc I think I'll cry whatever happens!

Dor that sounds lovely!

How's it going Euro?

TheBuggerlugs Mon 21-Jul-14 10:38:04

Anyone know how to interpret GTT results? I was expecting a phone call on Friday but didn't get one so just rang the hossie and was told that mine are a bit 'upside down' because the first was 4.2 and the 2nd 3.2. She said it sometimes happens and They don't do anything about it. She didn't seem concerned I'm just a bit confused.

FriendofDorothy Mon 21-Jul-14 10:53:16

I think usually they would expect to see a rise in the number but a drop isn't worrying.

If they aren't worried I wouldn't panic about it.

TheOriginalWinkly Mon 21-Jul-14 11:06:42

cunty I cried with fear before my 12 week scan, even though I had private ones at 6 & 9 weeks), then cried with relief when they found the heartbeat at the 16 week scan. I relaxed a little for a few weeks but then got myself worked up into a frenzy the night before the 20 week one. I only really relaxed when I felt regular movements from her. Fear is very normal, I got a few days respite after each scan before the menkulling resumed.

eurochick Mon 21-Jul-14 13:50:15

cunty I think most people are a bit scared of the scans and long termers/mcers are terrified. I hate scans (and ended up having about 45 in this pregnancy). Like winks I would get a few days of reassurance from a good scan and then the menkulling would recommence.

I'm doing ok, thanks. The bruising has come out today and my fanny looks like it has taken a proper battering. It is literally black and blue all around the section wound. But it is less sore each day and I am moving a little bit more easily each day. My current woe is my boobs. KFZK had to do a mercy mission across London last night to borrow a breast pump from a friend. I have a hospital grade one on order that is coming tomorrow, but my milk came in yesterday and my tits turned to rocks. I had no baby here to do anything about it and hand expressing was just not enough. By the time he came back I was literally climbing the walls in pain. I've just been on the one in the neonatal unit and the relief is amazing.

Centime is still undergoing sunbed treatment for jaundice which means she is back in an incubator with limited opportunity for cuddles. She's struggling with feeding and the hospital are dicking us around a bit. Yesterday they insisted on formula top ups (warning us about the risk of infection and overmedicalisation of intravenous feeds) and basically bullied us into accepting against our better judgement. Today they have decided that they should be going for intravenous feeds instead. hmm They are not filling me with confidence, I have to say.

bugs the name thing is so hard. We couldn't choose one for sure in advance as we didn't know if centime was a boy or girl, and awful as it sounds, given that she might not have made it, it seemed wrong to get too attached and naming her would have been part of that. So here we are on day 4 and she still doesn't have a name. We have set ourselves a limit of a week!

TheBuggerlugs Mon 21-Jul-14 14:17:29

Oooft at rock hard boobs Euro. Glad you've deflated and had some relief.

Cunty I also hate scans and dread them in case they find something wrong. I have a growth scan next Tuesday at 28w and despite no issues being discovered at the 6 scans so far, the menkul still whispers a very faint 'what if' to me. It's crackers but I think as a parent the menkul never really goes. Ever.

It's glorious sun here and I've been outside most of the day so far. GP is working later so I'm going to do some sewing and watch a film.

CuntyChops Mon 21-Jul-14 17:22:28

12 week scan appointment letter came in the post today: 31st July. 10 long days of menkul...

FriendofDorothy Mon 21-Jul-14 21:26:48

The menkul never goes. I am currently in a pre-birth 'oh God, what if something dreadful happens at delivery' menkul.

GingerScouse Tue 22-Jul-14 07:41:29

Yep, me too dor.

eurochick Tue 22-Jul-14 09:19:31

Yep, I agree - the menkul never goes.

I am really missing centime today. While she's under the jaundice lights they don't like her being out for more than 20 minutes a day. We both got a short cuddle yesterday (KFZK's first bit of skin to skin - I think I had something in my eye then) but I'm getting a bit tiger mummy and want my fricking baby baybee here now. <wail>

I hope the breast pump arrives soon so we can get up to the hospital.

Fankletastic Tue 22-Jul-14 10:09:54

Aw Euro that must be so tough. Not that it's likely to offer much comfort but centime is in the best place for now and you will have her home with you as soon as she is strong enough.

Cunty you have my sympathies. I've been building up the menkul for the last week or so as I've got my 16 week appointment tomorrow. I had the same fear for the 12 week scan and didn't dare look at the screen until they'd successfully found the heartbeat. MG's hand was well and truly squeezed. The high afterwards was amazing and lasted about 10 days. I've seriously thought about getting another private scan or buying a Doppler but MG keeps being calm, sensible and rational (I hate him for that but also love him for it). I just hope the midwife will listen to the heartbeat tomorrow so i have some reassurance. In my moments of clarity, I tell myself as long as I am gaining weight and my bump is creeping up on me..and no bleeding, then surely everything is normal. Surely. Right?

Sounds like it doesn't really get any easier from what the other PESH have said. <humpf>

GingerScouse Tue 22-Jul-14 12:22:00

Just be aware they might not be able to hear the heartbeat clearly at 16 weeks, doesn't mean anything is wrong, just that baybee is a bit too small yet.

ALittleFaith Tue 22-Jul-14 13:37:36

I found menkul anywhere near as much as I once did. Faithlet is 15 months old and although the TTC/pregnancy/early days were tough and I went a bit batty, it's fairly straightforward now. She can say some basics and if she's fussy she's either hungry, tired or done a poo. Quite quick to go through the three!

euro I hope you got to the hospital ok and get more cuddles today.

TheOriginalWinkly Tue 22-Jul-14 18:17:22

I would say don't buy a doppler, my baby was so wriggly that even the midwives struggled to pin her down to find a heartbeat. If I'd been doing it myself at home I couldn't have found it and would have panicked massively.

euro did the pump come? How's the boobs? Sorry you've not had any cuddles. Have they given you any idea how long she'll need the light therapy?

Today I cried in the street because a bee flew into the baby's pram and frightened me blush

TheBuggerlugs Tue 22-Jul-14 18:46:23

Fankle the bit you're in now is the hardest as your bump changes shape all the time and you can't feel baby moving. If you can keep going for another few weeks you will start to feel baby move.

My MW wouldn't listen for the HB until after 20 w so i'm glad I had a private scan at 17w

TheBuggerlugs Wed 23-Jul-14 03:07:15

I'm so tired I actually feel sick yet no matter what I do I just can't sleep. sad

I'm having a day out with GP tomorrow, gee I'll be a barrel of laughs hmm

eurochick Wed 23-Jul-14 07:53:12

I agree with winks about the doppler. The seconds waiting for the mw to find the heartbeat were bad enough.

bugs I hope you can manage to muster the energy to enjoy your day out.

faif it was another cuddle-free day but for a good reason this time. She has finally started to keep milk down and for about the first time ever since birth she slept. Pretty much all day and throughout both our visits. I think it is the first time since she was born on Thursday night that she hasn't had an empty gnawing tummy. When she's sleeping, she's growing rather than burning calories, so we left her in peace. She needs to put on weight so we can get her home! She was out from under the jaundice lights for the day, but having looked at her chart, her levels were creeping up last night so we expect to find her back under them today. sad She clearly hates it and is very agitated when they are on so I really don't like seeing her under them.

My house now looks like a florists! All of the deliveries started arriving yesterday. My favourite so far has to be the giant basket of cakes and cookies from a work colleague. smile

In a slightly crazy move, we have the photographer from the estate agent who will be marketing our house coming over later. We have been putting him off for the past couple of weeks as we had so much going on. Unfortunately, it means we need to tidy up. There are bits of expressing kits, breast pads and other baby-related crap everywhere at the moment!

SinkyMalinks Wed 23-Jul-14 08:25:39

Rubbish night for us too bugs. Too warm and R was wanting to feed all night. Can't blame him - I was bloody thirsty as well!

katandkits Wed 23-Jul-14 09:22:23