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Pregnant after MC due December 14

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Penguin13 Thu 03-Apr-14 09:07:43

If you're pregnant after a previous MC and due in December 14 this is the thread for you.

If you're an obsessive knicker-checker or just want someone to chat to who knows where you're coming from you'll fit right in.

Penguin13 Thu 03-Apr-14 09:14:55

Hi I'm Penguin, I recently found out I am pregnant, due around 05 Dec, after having a MMC in November last year which was diagnosed at 13 weeks.

I created this thread as I couldn't bring myself to taint the innocent enthusiasm of the Dec crew who haven't experienced MC but needed some people to chat to. I graduated from the TTC after posifrickentivity thread as I didn't feel it was fair to the awesome ladies there to be posting about my fears that I will lose this pregnancy too.

rockstars12 Thu 03-Apr-14 11:16:55

Hi penguin you are more than welcome to share your fears in the December thread. It's there for everyone and believe me we are all worried about mc. I've had 2 in the past. I've been too scared to book in docs appointment in case I then have a mc. Finally at 5+4 weeks got the courage to book harmony scan. For some reason I feel if I let myself treat it as a normal pregnancy with the happy expectations I will be in for a fall. When I'm at home relaxed on the sofa I'm fine, but at work I freak out that any movement or stress etc will cause me to lose it.

Penguin13 Thu 03-Apr-14 12:02:32

Hi Rockstars. I'm so sorry about your two losses. Congratulations on your recent BFP. Really appreciate the invite to join, on my previous ante-thread some of the first-timers said they were freaked out by MC talk hence me self-segregating but it's lovely to be included. Perhaps I'll join you guys but save this thread for the major freak outs that no first timer needs to see smile

McRedHead Thu 03-Apr-14 20:52:04

Hello Penguin & Rockstars

I've been lurking on the Dec thread too, but not ready to join or add stats yet. I had MMC in October, found at 12 week scan, followed by early MC in February.

My DD was been in hospital all last week. I though at first the nausea was due to being cooped up inside, but did cheapo test on Thursday and Monday I took CB digi and got 2-3weeks. Not really sure of dates. Happy for it to stay like that until I see a little baby on the scan at 12weeks.

MC is crap however much you do or don't allow yourself to get excited/happy/preoccupied by the pregnancy and want to use the "Today I am pregnant" motto, but it is very hard not to let the negativity take over.

Red cake brew

Penguin13 Thu 03-Apr-14 22:59:36

Welcome Red. I'm sorry for your losses but glad for your new BFP. I hope that DD is ok now. That must have been hugely stressful. Wishing you a boring textbook pregnancy.

For better or worse I booked an early scan today. I just needed a date to work towards. If I make it that far I will be 7 weeks 5 days which I figured should be far enough along to see a heartbeat if there is one. 19 days to go but who's counting?

McRedHead Fri 04-Apr-14 22:19:59

Thanks Penguin,

Will follow you over to December thread soon. Just don't want to jinx it, yet. Stupid really! Is yours a private scan? How much is it (if you don't mind me asking)?

DD is back at nursery and happy. She had cellulitis, on her ankle. It needed IV drip for the week to keep the infection under control. Just another stressful week to add to the collection within the last six months!

Looking forward to the next two weeks holidays to put my feet up and enjoy some family time.

alita7 Fri 04-Apr-14 23:24:42

hi just thought I'd drop in from the November lot. smile we all discussed splitting into those who had had an mc and everyone else and we agreed not. We find its more scary when you have a member dropout than when people have had miscarriages plus those of us with spotting or loss of symptoms have really appreciated having people in the know to ask. We are all happy supporting each other through any problem, I promise you we all have many things to complain about :p so don't feel you need to hide away I'm sure the others on the Dec thread will feel the same smile

Penguin13 Sat 05-Apr-14 16:59:25

It is a private scan with The Baby Scan Studio in Marlow, costing us £95.00 but I would happily pay that for peace of mind. Sadly I'm not sure I'll make it to that stage. As my symptoms have completely gone as they did with my missed miscarriage I am now 95% sure the pregnancy will not be viable. I know symptoms come and go but I have gone from quite strong symptoms to literally nothing since Thurs sad As my HCG is still going up - got a 3+ on a clearblue digi this morning, I suspect a blighted ovum.

Thanks so much for dropping by Alita and for your input- I can definitely see advantages to both ways. I have now joined the 'normal' Dec thread but am hoping to keep this open as well. For me it helps to talk to people who know what it's like to go through MC.

MrsFtn Sun 06-Apr-14 10:29:55

Hrllo all. I'm popping in from the December thread. I think this thread is a good idea so we can talk without being accused of scaremongering!
penguin have your symptoms come back yet? I've had no symptoms since finding out I'm pregnant. I now have a stinking cold though so I can't tell if I'm feeling crap because of that or if I'm having symptoms! I keep reading about how some people are lucky enough to get no symptoms and it is normal for symptoms to come and go, but like you I have trouble believing it.
red I hope you have a lovely 2 weeks smile
I've been lucky enough to get an appt for an nhs scan tomorrow when I think I should be 6+4 which I am trying to be positive about. In my last pg though I had a scan at 6 wks due to bleeding and hb was seen and I was told it was a viable pg, then had another scan at 7 wks by which time bleeding had stopped and no hb found so had erpc. I guess what I'm trying to say is that even if hb is found tomorrow I'll still be a terrified knicker checker/symptom spotter til the 12 week scan!

PresidentSpreadable Sun 06-Apr-14 10:49:03

Hi, thanks for starting this thread. Had an mmc and erpc in July at 8/9 weeks. Turned 40 three weeks ago and seem to have conceived that weekend :-) bit of a shock, as I'd begun to give up hope.

Don't know how I feel though, I'm 4+6 according to my estimates, so very early. I'm convinced it won't stick. Not sure if I can get through the next 7 weeks with my sanity intact, but pretty sure I don't want an early scan either. Worried that it might show that things are fine at say 9 weeks, and I'll give myself permission to hope, only for it to have failed by 12.

I'm also petrified of miscarrying naturally.

Penguin13 Sun 06-Apr-14 12:36:02

Welcome Mrs and President. Congratulations on your BFPs.

Symptoms still resolutely absent here. It feels horribly familiar from my previous pregnancy which did not end well hence my anxiety. Am going to speak to the midwife hopefully tomorrow and request an early scan/bloods though I'll still have to wait a while as am only 5+2 today. Can't even bring myself to say the pregnant after mc mantra of 'today I am pregnant' more like 'today my body thinks I am pregnant'.

That's really good that you have a scan tomorrow Mrs. Keeping everything crossed for positive news although it's understandable given your history that you will be anxious even if it is good news. It is especially cruel that you had a scan with heartbeat last time only for things to then go wrong. I hope it is a different story this time.

ImBrian Sun 06-Apr-14 13:10:06

I'm popping in from the December thread as well. I had a chemical pregnancy the cycle before I fell pregnant with this one and a mmc a few years ago between dcs 2&3. Early pregnancy is hard work and I wish I was clueless like with my first where I didn't even think twice when I had a bleed. Someone once told me to do a day at a time and concentrate on the fact that today I am pregnant and it helps me a little. I also avoid obsessive googling/reading threads I know will make me start worrying etc .

Penguin I've had healthy pregnancies with no symptoms and vice versa. Will they not give you a reassurance scan?

Penguin13 Sun 06-Apr-14 15:35:50

Hi I'mBrian. Thanks for stopping by. It's sad that we've been robbed of the innocence of enjoying the excitement of pregnancy but I'm glad I have you ladies to share with.

If I'd had no symptoms from the beginning I wouldn't be as worried but I had sore, swollen breaststroke, racing heart with even decaf tea/coffee, light-headedness and much increased appetite. All of these symptoms disappeared on weds- Thurs and have not returned. I know symptoms can come and go but I had the exact same pattern when I had a missed mc last time. I am hopefully speaking to mw on Mon to request an early scan so not abandoning all hope just trying to be realistic.

Penguin13 Sun 06-Apr-14 15:36:47

*Breasts not breaststroke obviously! Wtf autocorrect!

ImBrian Sun 06-Apr-14 16:31:53

My dizziness has worn off now and this time I've had no appetite thank God

I can't see why they won't check for you. I'm having a private scan back end of next week when I'll be 7/8 weeks.

Penguin13 Mon 07-Apr-14 07:06:14

Good luck for your scan today Mrs. Got everything crossed for good news.

MrsFtn Mon 07-Apr-14 10:43:59

Thanks for good wishes but looks like I am bowing out. They saw sac but no hb and no fetal pole. I have to go back next Tuesday for a follow up scan to confirm. They said it doesn't look like a vianle pregnancy so I'm fully expecting to start bleeding any time now sad.
Best of luck in all your pregnancies. I will let you know how I get on next week. Got to decide whether to go to work this week or not now

Penguin13 Mon 07-Apr-14 10:53:22

I'm so sorry Mrs sad it's horrible that you're stuck in this awful limbo waiting for the worst to happen. I hope that you get better news at your next scan. Sending a big virtual hug your way. I hope that you have lots of RL support to help you through this.

ImBrian Mon 07-Apr-14 11:53:47

So sorry mrs, got everything crossed it was just a bit early xx

MrsFtn Mon 07-Apr-14 19:33:29

Thank you both. As the sac was so big they really should have seen a fetal pole and they could't even tell me for sure if there was even a yolk sac. I have internal scan too but it wasn't any more conclusive. I've had scans at 6 weeks in two other pregnancies and was able to see hb on those so all in all I'm not holding out any hope for good news next week. It's gonna be a hell of a long week though! As will have had three mc in a row at least I might get some tests done this time.
Best of luck to all of you this time round - I hope you have very healthy boring pregnancies smile

ImBrian Mon 07-Apr-14 20:36:21

Sending you lots of virtual love mrs, I hope this week goes as quickly as it can xx

Penguin13 Tue 08-Apr-14 10:37:31

Mrs I'm thinking of you. The waiting game is really tough thanks.

How are you doing Brian? What day is your scan?

How about you President and Red? I hope you're not feeling too anxious and Red I hope your dd's cellulitis is completely better and you're able to enjoy the holidays together.

PresidentSpreadable Tue 08-Apr-14 19:15:20

Sorry to hear your news MrsFtn.

I'm ok thanks Penguin, been at a work conference for a couple of days. I'm worried that I feel too ok really. No major symptoms kicked in yet, although I still have sore boobs, and a CB digital gave me a 3+ result on Sunday evening. Worried that I'm not weeing enough! This bit of pregnancy really sucks. I'm convinced that I'm heading for another mmc.

Penguin13 Tue 08-Apr-14 19:54:33

President I know how you feel. We just have to take it one day at a time. Repeat after me 'Today we are pregnant'. I have been given an early scan on Mon when I will be 6+3. Will be on tenterhooks till then.

PresidentSpreadable Tue 08-Apr-14 21:18:12

Good luck, I'm keeping everything crossed for you. I'm going to try and see my gp tomorrow and see what she thinks re: an early scan.

ImBrian Tue 08-Apr-14 21:40:06

I'm good thanks penguin, I think I'm coping by putting pregnancy to the back of my mind and not thinking about it. (Apart from checking on here!). Nobody in real life knows so that makes it easier as I can kind of pretend it's not real. I think I'm trying to separate myself a bit if that makes sense. I was hoping to get a scan the back end of next week but they can only do Tuesday which is when I'm away so I think it'll be the week after. It's for reassurance but I need an idea of dates as well so I know when to book in for the nifty test.

How are you feeling? I have everything crossed for next Monday for you.

Penguin13 Wed 09-Apr-14 10:12:41

I'mBrian I had totally planned to not get too invested this time around but I completely failed. I understand why you feel the need to protect yourself though. I must admit when someone on the Dec thread posted about 'cherishing each moment' of being pregnant I thought 'if only'.

Doing ok here. Expecting the worst but hoping for the best. I can't bear to spend much time on the 'normal' Dec thread at the moment with everyone discussing their symptoms. I also want to warn them that getting 3+ on your digital doesn't mean everything is going to be ok. I was testing positive for 5 weeks after my erpc.

President good luck for your appointment with your GP today. I think it is a complete postcode lottery what kind of treatment you get after mc/s. Initially I was told by the mw team that I definitely couldn't have an early scan with no bleeding but they later rang me back to say I could have a scan on Mon after all. I think the fact that I was sobbing down the phone made them realise how distressed I was. I completely understand the need to prioritise those who are bleeding and in pain and would never want to delay someone's urgent scan but I am glad they decided to scan me. I think the party line that if you're not bleeding everything is most likely fine is naive. Last time I waited 7 worry filled weeks ignoring my instincts and telling myself I was being silly only to have my worst fears confirmed at my 13 week scan.

PresidentSpreadable Wed 09-Apr-14 11:04:38

No gp appointments free until next Thursday Penguin. Oh well, hopefully I'll have some more symptoms by then.

I just walked into the EPU at UCLH last time, first thing in the morning. I'd had no bleeding, pain, or spotting but I just had a feeling that things weren't quite right due to my symptoms subsiding, and was due to fly out to Hungary for a wedding the next day. I was still completely blindsided by the 'sorry there's no heartbeat' though.

I feel stronger this time as that's what I'm expecting to hear. I think I'm going to try and hold out until 8/9 weeks and then have a scan. Anxiety after an mc or mmc is a good enough reason I think, esp combined with my great age!

PresidentSpreadable Wed 09-Apr-14 11:06:40

Oh, and I know what you mean about the normal Dec thread.

ImBrian Wed 09-Apr-14 11:47:14

President that's what happened with my mmc, I was feeling sick etc just knew that something wasn't right.

I think it's nice people can still have a bit of innocence about the whole thing. My first two I never thought about miscarriage and it was lovely. I know what you mean about the line, it's more the chemicals where it doesn't get stronger. With my mmc it was a strong line not that this stops me doing bloody opks!

I feel less sick etc today and my boobs aren't as sore but I know with previous successful pregnancies they've come and gone a bit.

Anyone else wish we had a fast forward button!?

PresidentSpreadable Wed 09-Apr-14 13:06:59

That's reassuring about symptoms coming and going ImBrian. I'm still bloated, and feel a bit dazed and confused. I've never wished for morning sickness so hard though!

LaceyLee Wed 09-Apr-14 14:00:22

Hi all, can I join? I'm too scared to join the 'normal' December thread, as I have had two previous mc's and have now got a but of brown discharge for the past few days. Only a tiny bit and I keep thinking that it's finished then just then I had a bit more. Great! My EDD is 14th dec and my lmp I will be 5 weeks tmrw. Have called epu to get an appt, hopefully tmrw but I don't really know what they can do at such an early stage?
My boobs are still sore, but they are on and off too, always slightly sore but it seems to build up during the day.
Penguin how are you doing?

ImBrian Wed 09-Apr-14 14:49:41

Hi Lacey, congratulations on your bfp smile

PresidentSpreadable Wed 09-Apr-14 14:53:11

Hi Lacey, welcome and congrats from me too. I'm not sure how much they can tell from a scan at 5 weeks, hopefully someone else does?

Penguin13 Wed 09-Apr-14 16:00:50

Hey Lacey welcome to the thread. Good to see a fellow posifrickentivity graduate around here. <american style high-five!> Hopefully your epu will at least be able to advise you even if it's too early to see much on a scan. Maybe they would be able to see a possible cause for the bleed?

Penguin13 Wed 09-Apr-14 16:01:40

Oh and congratulations on your BFP if I haven't said it already blush

Penguin13 Wed 09-Apr-14 16:16:27

I know what you mean I'm Brian it is nice for them I'm probably just bitter that I didn't get to experience that happy innocence for myself!

LaceyLee Wed 09-Apr-14 16:38:25

Hi all, thanks got the welcome smile
Yes maybe they can give some advice or even take bloods. My test lines are getting super strong so I guess that's a good thing... Such a stressful time, I am just taking it a day at a time and just happy that today I am pregnant!! I'm going in holiday in Monday also so would love some reassurance by then... Hope everyone else is feeling good x

ParanoidCoventGarden75 Wed 09-Apr-14 20:16:50


Can I join you on here too? so many familiar faces from the 'normal' dec thread, I can't believe so many of us have been through this.

Everything you said ring so true. I want to warn others about the dangers but at the same time I don't want to spoil the fun for all the happy mummies to be.

I refuse to visualise the little bean, I have no symptoms and the last 2 days have been a nightmare, I don't feel pregnant and I have convinced myself that I am having another miscarriage. I have obviously been traumatised by the mmc in Sept.

To top it up, yesterday, someone who had the same dates as me was giving birth and my colleague came to work to show us her 3 month old baby (I mmc'ed when she was pregnant, she doesn't know), she looked so happy and I'm happy for her but I cried my eyes out in the toilet.

I'll be 39 soon, and this is our 4th and last round of fertility treatment.

Sorry for the rant, I hope you're doing ok, positive sticky dust to all

LaceyLee Wed 09-Apr-14 22:11:25

Hi paranoid, sorry to head about your mmc. Your message about not visualizing the little bean is sad! But I know what you mean, it's easier not to get overly invested in things at this stage. I have a lot of hope though that things will be ok this time smile

The epu have said there is no point in seeing me this early, so I guess what will be will be! They were rather dismissive about it which is quite rude but I guess there is no point in scanning this early and bloods don't actually tell you much. Ah well, I'm hoping to have a 7 week scan anyway.

Penguin13 Thu 10-Apr-14 07:56:49

Welcome Paranoid. I'm sorry you've been through an mmc. I really feel for you on the loss of symptoms. It's true that symptoms naturally come and go but it's hard not to assume the worst after mmc. It must add even more worry and pressure having been through fertility treatment. Are you having an early scan?

Lacey I am angry at the epu for being dismissive of your concerns. Surely they have enough experience of dealing with people who have gone through mc to have a bit of compassion. Whether or not they can do anything at this stage, it doesn't cost anything to acknowledge your concerns and speak to you kindly. Are you still bleeding?

ParanoidCoventGarden75 Thu 10-Apr-14 09:14:48

Thanks Ladies,
Sorry to hear of your bad experience with epu Lacey, fx all is well and you get positive news soon. I'm 5 week today too and an 8 week scan booked for 30 April. imBrian I'll go with the fast forward button. Just wish I could sleep through the whole thing and wake up in 8ish months.

LaceyLee Thu 10-Apr-14 09:46:20

Hi all, I called epu back and have just spoken to them, they were nicer when they realised I had had two mc's as yesterday I had only left them a voicemail. Brown discharge seems to have reduced (don't want to say gone yet in case it returns!).
I have a 7 week scan paranoid! 24th April. Looking forward to it!

ImBrian Thu 10-Apr-14 10:23:34

Today I'm feeling pretty rough, dishes in the sink have had me wretching and I have the never ending stomach cramps and dodgy belly. Prob because I complained yesterday my symptoms weren't as bad.

I hated the epu when I went, the ladies were lovely but it was all just so matter of fact to them. Plus I wasn't given a second scan which still bugs the hell out of me as I never bled etc and the reason they said mc was due to no heart beat when I was only 6+4. Anyway never mind, dc3 would never have been born if it hadn't happened.

Penguin13 Thu 10-Apr-14 11:07:47

Sorry you're feeling rough Brian. Hopefully it's a positive sign though this may not be much consolation while you retch! I am in awe of you coping with that with 3 dc already!!

Really glad you had a more positive experience when you spoke to EPU again Lacey. Hope the brown discharge stays away and that the weeks till your 7 week scan go as quickly as possible.

Paranoid I meant to say, sorry you had a tough day with the baby bombs yesterday. Well done for keeping it together. There is no shame in having a cry over it and I'm sure we've all been there, I know I have. My SIL, who I am quite close to, is due a week before my original edd and it has been really difficult watching her bump grow and her going through all the stages that I 'should' have been.

ImBrian Thu 10-Apr-14 11:42:38

Haha penguin its 4 dc! I have no sense what so ever!

Penguin13 Thu 10-Apr-14 14:19:01

shock Brian. Well we know we have a great pregnancy resource on hand - you must have pretty much seen it all smile

ImBrian Thu 10-Apr-14 15:02:36

I've not managed a section yet but I'm hoping to leave that off the list! I wish someone would teach me how to make my 2 year old take a nap on command though.

Penguin13 Fri 11-Apr-14 10:03:57

How is everyone today? I'm still pretty symptom free but feeling a bit rough as haven't been sleeping well. Finding it hard to concentrate at work with my scan on Mon morning fast approaching. Trying to steel myself for the fact that if it's the expected bad news I'll probably be in limbo for a while longer while they make sure.

ParanoidCoventGarden75 Fri 11-Apr-14 10:31:54

Morning Penguin, sorry you're feeling rough, I bet your mind is somewhere else. I've got everything crossed for you.
No symptoms here either, it still doesn't feel real at all for me. 5+1 another 3 weeks before my scan.
Good luck for Monday and I hope you manage to relax over the weekend.

PresidentSpreadable Fri 11-Apr-14 12:37:29

I'm keeping everything crossed too Penguin.

5+4 here today. I cried all over MrPres yesterday, got up to wee 4x in the night, and my boobs are still very sore, fingers crossed that this means everything is going ok. Still no major nausea or ms, just bit of heartburn.

LaceyLee Fri 11-Apr-14 14:04:34

Hi everyone, penguin sorry you're feeling rough, I very much hope your fears are unfounded and tht the scan is reassuring!
Paranoid we must have the same dates as I'm also 5+1 but I ovulated late so I'm even earlier I think.
President that does sound good about the boobs, I think mine are sorer today and have had maybe a hint of nausea.... And no more brown...yet.... So feeling a bit happier today. Just really trying to be positive but it's so hard!! smile

Penguin13 Fri 11-Apr-14 14:32:15

Lacey glad to hear that the discharge seems to be staying away now. Sore boobs is definitely a good sign too. All sounding good for you too President.

Having a hard day in the office. Think it's partly due to tiredness but also feelings about my last scan resurfacing. Earlier I closed my office door and had a proper cry. Can't wait to get home for a cuddle from H.

LaceyLee Fri 11-Apr-14 18:06:25

Aww penguin you poor thing, it's so emotionally draining this journey isn't it, you need a big cuddle and a nice relaxing weekend. I'm very lucky that I'm on Easter holidays at the moment as I'm a teacher, hopefully you're home or nearly home and curled up on the sofa smile

Dottydadoo Sat 12-Apr-14 08:08:58

Hi all - can I join too? I'm can't tempt fate yet by joining the Dec thread. I'm 5 weeks today with DC3 but had my first miscarriage in Dec 14 - no previous issues with either of my 2 previous pregnancies so it was quite a shock. Sorry to hear that all of you have been in the same situation.
I've got an early pregnancy scan booked in for when I'm 8w.
Time is going so slowly!

Penguin13 Sat 12-Apr-14 09:57:59

Hi Dotty and welcome. I'm sorry for your loss. I think all of us here are unfortunately familiar with the sensation that the moment you get that BFP time slows down so much that sometimes it feels like it's going backwards!

Thanks Lacey feeling a bit better today although when I had some stronger cramping yesterday night just as I was going to bed I thought it was the beginning of the end. Have a sort of relaxing day planned off to my nephew's pirate-themed birthday party smile

In other news, I have been asked by a friend who knows about my mc to help plan a baby shower for my SIL who is due a week before my original edd. Even if this one sticks I think I might find it hard but would I be a horrible selfish cow to say no? She did say no pressure but just feel bad. Am I just being ridiculous?

ParanoidCoventGarden75 Sat 12-Apr-14 11:37:32

Welcome Dotty

Penguin, you are not being ridiculous at all. I mentioned my colleague coming to the office last Tuesday, and honestly when HR told me she was coming in with Baby, it just sent me into panic, and he understood very well the situation. I was due in the next 2 weeks, and I just told him: 'i don't think i'm strong enough'. He was happy for me to leave the office for the day. In the end, I decided to stay but it was hard.
Organising a baby shower is a different animal, I would just say that you are not ready to get involved at this stage. I am sure your friend will get it.

I'm going to hospital for a blood test on Monday, they had forgotten to tell me I could have one after by BFP to check HCG and progesterone.

LaceyLee Sat 12-Apr-14 14:47:08

Welcome dotty and fingers crossed that all is ok for you this time around smile
Paranoid best of luck with the blood test, will be nice to see the hcg rising. I have been eating lots of nuts, seeds and avocado as I read that they contain something that can produce progesterone - might not be true but can't do any harm!
Penguin I hope you enjoy the party! Not sure if I would want to organise a baby shower either, I'm sure she would understand. Just depends on how you're goin to feel, you don't need any extra stress. I've just got in from some shopping with a friend, really tired! No nausea today either, hopefully that's not a sign. Have another friend coming for dinner tonight, hope she doesn't notice that I'm not drinking!

MabelMay Sat 12-Apr-14 17:47:32

Hi guys - I'm not due in December, but in November. But am also a previous MCer (1MC in April; 1MMC in August) I just wanted to let you know that there is also a thread under the 'Pregnancy' topic for people that are PG after MC and it's a really great place for hand-holding, support and shared experiences. Women there run the gamut from 4 weeks pregnant to 41 weeks pregnant but they all know exactly what you're going through. So do pop in there too - I've found it brilliant for easing fears or just off-loading.
Take care and good luck to all of you!

Penguin13 Sun 13-Apr-14 21:24:19

Hi Mabel thank you for dropping by and letting us know about the other thread, that's really good to know.

Good luck with your blood test tomorrow Paranoid hope it shows levels are all as they should be.

Hope everyone has had a good weekend. My husband and I spent the day attacking the garden which was quite satisfying and kept my mind (mostly) off the scan tomorrow morning. Might even help me sleep having done some physical work hmm

Penguin13 Mon 14-Apr-14 09:57:33

Hi all. Had my scan an to my amazement we saw our little embryo and a tiny, flickering heartbeat. I know it is such early days that anything could happen but today I am pregnant! Really relieved as I was fully prepared to see an empty sac.

ParanoidCoventGarden75 Mon 14-Apr-14 10:11:42

Awww penguin that's great news.
I went for blood test but a bit pointless cos hormones will not drop if mmc. Nurse doesn't advise scan before 8 weeks. The wait is killing me, OH worried about me and trying to book remaining counselling sessions.

Penguin13 Mon 14-Apr-14 10:41:54

Thanks Paranoid I completely get why the nurse doesn't advise scanning before 8 weeks as the chance of a successful pregnancy goes up from 90% if there's a heartbeat at 6 to 97% if there's a heartbeat at 7 weeks onwards. We're going to still go for our private scan in just over a week's time for that reason. As at the time my early scan was booked I thought it would just be confirming that things had gone wrong I wanted it as early as possible but if it was to check things were ok I def would have waited for at least 7 weeks. Annoying that your tests won't provide much info although I thought with mmc even if hug level is rising normally sometimes progesterone levels drop or don't rise as they should? Obviously this is courtesy of Dr. Google so wouldn't set too much store by it!

Penguin13 Mon 14-Apr-14 10:42:45

Er I meant hcg not hug obviously!

ParanoidCoventGarden75 Mon 14-Apr-14 10:54:22

Thanks penguin but I'm being pumped with progesterone (daily injection and pessaries) so not sure how reliable results will be. I am following the same thought, if it's not there, I want to know ASAP so I can stop all medications and get back to life. I so desperately want this baby but so scared of being heartbroken again. I'm used to work out stress and anxiety in the gym and the pool and I can't even do that at the moment. Thanks for your support, it means a lot.

PresidentSpreadable Mon 14-Apr-14 11:17:46

That's great news on your scan Penguin, yay for a little flickering heartbeat!

Covent I feel very much like you, the waiting is killing me, I'm convinced that my hcg levels probably aren't rising as much as they should, and that I'm going to have another mmc. Like you, I rely on exercise usually in times of stress, and not being able to thrash it out on the bike or in the pool is doing my head in (a few lengths of sedate breaststroke just doesn't cut it).

It's really affecting my work, feel like I'm going to implode from the stress. MrPres tries to understand, but doesn't really, and spent all day yesterday getting pissed with friends at the marathon whilst I stayed home and fretted.

Penguin13 Mon 14-Apr-14 12:12:20

I'm sorry you're having a tough time waiting President. I was a complete mess this week waiting for my scan and probably will be again coming up to my next one. The most frustrating thing was people telling me not to worry as if it's somehow voluntary. I find reading helped me as I wasn't able to think about everything while I was engrossed in the story. Generally activities that require some thought engagement worked better for me than ones that left my mind free to wander but everyone's different. There is no magic solution though you just have to get through it one day at a time. Thinking of you and rooting for everything to be OK.

ParanoidCoventGarden75 Mon 14-Apr-14 13:35:11

president I'm with you, a gentle stroll in the park doesn't qualify as exercise. We should have met yesterday for marmite on crackers and a glass of water. OH went for our usual Sunday work out while I sat on the sofa feeling sorry for myself. On a positive note, both the nurse and the consultant said: "she has no symptoms, that's great, she is not suppose to, she doesn't want any, they are horrible. Most people don't experience them before 8 weeks." Also they said that healthy people have less symptoms. Hope that help at least for a couple of hours I don't know where you are, but I work in Piccadilly so if you fancy a rant one day, let me know.

CakesALot Mon 14-Apr-14 14:39:59

Hi ladies! May I join you? I'm also a graduate from the TTC after MC/prosfrickenivity thread, and have struggled to find the right thread to join since. I had an MMC at 9 weeks back in February and got my BFP a couple of weeks ago after conceiving during the WTF cycle and still completely baffled as to how it happened!. Still don't really know my dates, but I'd estimate I'm around 6 weeks.

I've had some spotting on and off now pretty much since I got my BFP. I went to see the GP straight away and she told me to go away and see what happened...but I have another appointment booked today as the spotting hasn't stopped (that's 12 days in total), it's maybe got a little better, but I'm still concerned. Still getting strong positive on hpts and still feeling sick and tired all day long so who knows! I just want a scan so I can prepare myself either way!

I hate limbo land!

Sorry for the very mememe rant! I've obviously been looking for the right place to vent!

I hope everyone is doing ok smile

CakesALot Mon 14-Apr-14 14:42:25

And amazing news about your scan Penguin, so lovely to hear!

Penguin13 Mon 14-Apr-14 19:04:28

Welcome Cakes lovely to see you here. It must be quite frustrating to not know what your dates are. I completely understand just wanting to get to your scan so you know what going on. How was your appointment today?

McRedHead Mon 14-Apr-14 20:32:03

penguin lovely news.
cakes how was your appt?

I am back in the world of wifi after a week away on holiday. Still pg, I think. Gp was lovely at my appt today. He qas very reassuring and hoping to rush through booking appt since my dates aren't definite. That still might be more than 3 weeks though!

(cellulitis all cleared up but having to get a stubborn 4yr old to take disgusting antibiotics 4x a day is a challenge!)

Hope it was sunny with all of you as it was here. brew

CakesALot Mon 14-Apr-14 21:19:51

The doctor was lovely and is referring me for a scan. I should hear tomorrow when it is. Had a slightly more substantial bleed today so freaked out a bit! It's all calmed down again now. Wish there was an easier way to tell what's going on inside me!

Penguin13 Mon 14-Apr-14 22:10:55

Oh Cakes that must be awful. Good news that they are booking you for a scan though. I hope you get your scan appointment soon and that it's reassuring news. Feel free to freak out as much as you want with us.

LaceyLee Tue 15-Apr-14 09:32:35

Hi all, am actually on holiday but have a bit of wifi and wanted to check in! Penguin that's great news about your scan! Very happy for you. Hi cakes, good to see you.
I had some brownish discharge for a few days, it's horrible but nobody seemed too bothered about it - I'm sure it'll be fine. Sorry to those of you having a bad time, it's really hard & not getting the serotonin from exercise probably doesn't help... Nothing much happening with me, boobs still sore and no more brown so I guess I'm still preg. Thinking of putting my scan back a bit as I think inconclusive results will be frustrating - enjoy being pregnant today everyone!!

CakesALot Tue 15-Apr-14 12:20:20

Thanks for the support ladies and the reassurance Lacey. No more 'proper' bleeding today, just back to the brown stuff. I feel rubbish, sick and tired and off all food apart from crisps it seems! This pregnancy has to be viable because feeling this rubbish needs to be worth it!!

Hope you're all doing ok today. Going for a lunchtime stroll in the sunshine now and try to relax smile

Penguin13 Tue 15-Apr-14 16:00:27

Yep cakes hopefully feeling rubbish is a good sign smile as is no fresh bleeding. Over the past few days my symptoms have picked up a bit, mainly swollen, painful boobs but my initial hunger has also returned with a vengeance. Literally. Cannot. Stop. Eating! I am fortunate that so far have only had the mildest of nausea and I'd quite like to keep it that way.

After some deliberation we moved our private scan date to 01 May as I'd be 9 weeks by then and it's roughly half way between our last scan and whenever our next scan will be. A little longer to wait but hopefully some more reassurance when we get there.

BabyTinks Tue 15-Apr-14 22:51:46

I'll join this one too smile
Congrats all first of for our wee xmas babys!!

I sadly mc at 10 weeks in november and finally conceived around 4-6 weeks ago i reckon.... smile we are over the moon!! Although so scared at the same time, i can't help stress, then panic at any twinge or pain!
Although for the last few hours i have suffered a stabbing like pain, anyone else had this? Reeeeally concerned sad scared to go to the loo as well confused

ParanoidCoventGarden75 Wed 16-Apr-14 04:14:02

Welcome cakes & tinks, sorry for your previous losses and congrats on your BFP. [tea] to healthy Xmas babies.
Relaxing a bit but not sleeping. The fact that I'm pg is slowly sinking in @ 5+6. I've booked appointment with GP, 2 weeks to scan [sight] can time go any slower.

Penguin13 Wed 16-Apr-14 08:08:29

Welcome Tinks. I'm sorry for previous loss. Congratulations on your new BFP! I completely understand your over-analysis of every little twinge. Where is the stabbing pain? Previous pregnancy I had some awful wind which felt quite stabby and was surprisingly painful, that was in the general tummy area. This time I have had mildly stabby pains around my pubic bone which Dr Google has informed me is quite normal and relates to things adjusting to accommodate the invader baby.

BabyTinks Wed 16-Apr-14 08:53:35

Thank youuuu
Yeah i read this on google too. It's in my left tubey area...... Away now it comes and goes! Had a wee twitch when i woke up this morning, think its certain ways i move as well!
Hope its ok..... Because its early stages of of the preg its just going to drag so much now!!

Penguin13 Wed 16-Apr-14 13:35:31

Is anyone else getting some major hunger? I am constantly snacking as I am finding that I feel ravenous but after half my usual portion I feel full. Not that I am complaining, would take being extra hungry over ms any day of the week! I am armed with healthy snacks of yoghurt, homemade popcorn and carrot sticks. Any other good suggestions of low cal/ healthy treats to keep hunger at bay but make sure I don't gain an unhealthy amount of weight?

ParanoidCoventGarden75 Wed 16-Apr-14 13:43:29

Fruit? Rice cake?

basgetti Wed 16-Apr-14 22:30:55

Hi can I join? I am due about 17th December and I had a MMC in December at 13 weeks. I am really anxious and would like to chat to others in the same position. I've struggled alot since the MC and am really desperate for a happy outcome this time, but just can't bring myself to feel any excitement yet. Just a matter of waiting I guess!

Penguin13 Thu 17-Apr-14 06:49:39

Welcome Basgeti. I'm sorry you've found yourself in this club. I had an mmc diagnosed at 13 weeks in November so I can understand some of your fears. Congratulations on your BFP smile. I am the worst at taking my own advice but all you can do is take it one day at a time and think 'today I am pregnant'.

BabyTinks Thu 17-Apr-14 06:52:49

Welcome basgetti smile
I'm exactly the same as yourself, i mc in november and found it really hard myself. It doesnt help since tuesday i've had sharp stabbing like pains in my left lower area... Dr google has made me feel slightly better as seems to be normal as that area is growing and adjusting.... But i can still feel it, it comes and goes! I will give it until monday i think before i phone the doctor. I am always so scared to go to the loo sad
I just want to feel pregnant too, i didnt last time and i dont this time! Maybe still too early, my expected due date is the 20-21st but doctor reckons the 8th but i know im not that far i ovulated on cd28 this month going by my calculations lol. Anyways i hope i make it to my 12 week scant his time but i shall be a paranoid wreck up until that point!!

basgetti Thu 17-Apr-14 08:06:33

Thanks for the welcome.
BabyTinks I am the same,with the last pregnancy I didn't even feel sick, and had a negative diabetes test, when I'd had both GD and hyperemesis while pregnant with DS. I thought I was just lucky but it turned out to be a bad sign. I don't feel pregnant yet either, I never thought I'd be hoping for sickness!
I have an essay due in today that I have barely started, am too distracted and anxious. I will try to follow the mantra 'today I am pregnant.' smile

ParanoidCoventGarden75 Thu 17-Apr-14 09:21:52

Welcome basgetti and sorry about your mmc, I had one in Sept. @ 8 weeks. I've been lucky to get good support from the hospital then, but it doesn't stop the fear this time. I had sore boobs and exhaustion the first time and for this one, absolutely nothing, anyway just to say that I understand your feelings, it's so emotionally draining. Here's a bag of patience for you.

Popcorn1979 Thu 17-Apr-14 13:50:20

Hi all - is it ok if I join you all? Like lots of you, I had a MMC in December (slow heart beat seen at 9 weeks then another 2 weeks to confirm MC and get D&C) and am currently 6+5 and absolutely terrified the same thing is going to happen! I have a referral from my GP for an early scan but I can't decide whether to go on Saturday (7 weeks exactly) or leave it until Tuesday (7+3). I think I am most scared of going and being told there is no HB and I need to wait to confirm and being stuck in limbo....at least at 7+3 if there is no HB I know for sure it is bad news? Literally no symptoms apart from bloating so not feeling very hopeful.....sorry, need to get some positive vibes flowing!!! 4 days weekend should sort that!

Penguin13 Thu 17-Apr-14 14:11:51

Hi Popcorn. I'm sorry for your previous loss. We are pretty much universally afraid of the same thing happening again so you're in good company to wait it out. I can totally understand why you are dithering about what date to do the scan. It's that fine balancing act between wanting to know as soon as possible but not going so early that you end up with more worry and waiting. I was delighted to see a heartbeat at 6+3 but of course am now worried because it was so early anything can happen and seeing a hb at that stage, whilst positive, is no guarantee that things will be okay. If it were me I'd probably feel like I should hold out for 7 weeks 3 days but end up going at 7.

PresidentSpreadable Thu 17-Apr-14 15:28:40

Hi Popcorn. I am off to see the doc this evening and am hoping to get a referral for an early scan, only 6+3 at the moment, but convinced that nothing is happening due to lack of symptoms. I thought that if I hung out until after the Easter weekend I'd be 7wks by then.

If anything I feel very calm this time as I'm actually expecting the worst, so anything else will be a massive bonus.

Fingers crossed for all of us.

Popcorn1979 Thu 17-Apr-14 15:42:32

Thanks for the welcome! Sorry we all find ourselves here but have to believe we will all get there! President - I told my GP I wasn't entirely sure of my dates to get the referral, just in case that helps you! Probably a bit naughty but I really can't imagine waiting until 12 weeks. Penguin - are you going for another scan before 12 weeks? I can see this getting as addictive as POAS for me if first one goes ok (albeit a little more expensive which will def curb my enthusiasm!!) I'll let you guys know what I decide....head says Tuesday, nerves say I can't wait that long! Hope you all have a lovely long weekend with lots of distractions! x

Penguin13 Thu 17-Apr-14 16:24:40

Yes Popcorn I've booked a private scan at 9 weeks - the reasoning being that if everything still looks good at that stage the risk of mc is substantially lower and it's roughly the halfway point between my previous scan and 12 weeks.

Yes, enjoy the lovely long weekend everyone. May it be filled with reassuring symptoms not nausea though so we can enjoy our easter eggs and sunshine!

LaceyLee Thu 17-Apr-14 18:40:09

Hi everyone and welcome to the newbies, I hope all goes well for you this time.
I'm on holiday still and we're not having the best of times due to some more brown spotting. It's got a lot less now but there was quite a bit last night and was very worried. Feeling a lot better today but realistically there is a good chance things won't work out, wish me luck!

DrFunkesFamilyBandSolution Thu 17-Apr-14 19:01:22

Just going to mark my place here too.

lacey, everything crossed for you.

Hope all goes well at the drs president

I'm on pg 7, hoping for dc#3, but with zero symptoms not feeling great (well, I am feeling great, there's the problem!) my latest mc was 7ishwks and I'm 5+4 today, so just hoping to get past that milestone first.
I keep on trying to be positive but whenever DH is 'omg, can you imagine how much 3 teenagers will eat', I think stfu! We're only ever having 2!

Penguin13 Thu 17-Apr-14 19:32:11

Lacey I'm so sorry you're having more spotting. What awful timing as well with you on holiday when you should be able to relax and enjoy yourselves. Sending you a big squeeze and keeping everything crossed for you. When will you be back in the UK?

Hi DrFunkes you've found the right place for some hand-holding (or manly arm punching, as you prefer) whilst you wait to get past the milestones. I'm sorry you've had to go through those losses, hope this is your third take home baby. It's never reassuring to have a lack of tangible symptoms but (as you know) it isn't necessarily a bad sign. Fingers crossed you start feeling rubbish soon grin

PresidentSpreadable Thu 17-Apr-14 19:47:04

Well, that was a roaring success. Walked in told him I was pregnant, that I thought I should check in with him because I'm old and fat (basically the two worst things you can be re: pregnancy apart from a crack addict) and that I'd had an MMC last summer and was convinced it was going to happen again, and then it all fell apart and I bawled my eyes out for ten minutes.

He's referring me to the EPU on Tues for an early scan.

ParanoidCoventGarden75 Thu 17-Apr-14 20:14:57

lacey can you go and get checked where you are now? fx for some positive news soon.
drFunk sorry to see you checking in the one too
president well done

AIBU question: i am still undecided about taking the train to Germany tomorrow, 6+0. My logic is usually don't do anything that you might blame yourself for in case of mc. At nearly 39, this is my last NHS attempt. Sorry i know i've asked before but it would help to have your opinion again confused.

Penguin13 Fri 18-Apr-14 07:08:34

Well done for getting through the GP appointment President. I was very similar when I called the community midwife and got a scan. You got a great result, not long to wait for a scan now. How far along will you be on Tues?

Paranoid not having gone through treatment I'm not sure what I would do in your situation but can't see how going to Germany would be an issue. What are you specifically concerned about?

ParanoidCoventGarden75 Fri 18-Apr-14 08:29:25

I guess I'm scared that the vibrating motion of the train might make it lose its grip, it sounds silly and I feel completely irrational (very unlike me) but I just want to wrapped my bean up in cotton wool. On the other hand it's important for OH that we go.

Penguin13 Fri 18-Apr-14 08:43:06

It doesn't sound silly at all, when my SIL had her embryos implanted she said she was scared to even walk for fear of making them fall out or something! I do think it would be fine but ultimately you have to decide whether you want to go.

PresidentSpreadable Fri 18-Apr-14 08:49:46

I'll be 7+1 Penguin. I think the scan will be a bit later in the week though.

PresidentSpreadable Fri 18-Apr-14 09:02:16

Oh Covent I'm sure the train journey would be absolutely fine, if things were so easily dislodged, walking and sneezing would be an issue too.

I know that rationality goes out of the window though. I would say what my GP said to me though, pretty much nothing you do or don't do would be responsible for it not working at this point. If you are really worried though, could your dh go on his own or with a friend instead?

CallingAllEngels Fri 18-Apr-14 09:10:37

Hi ladies, room for one more?

Tentaively sticking my head onto the thread as not even 4w yet (AF not due till Sunday) but have had faint lines on hpts today and last night.

I had my 2nd mc in October at 6w+1. Dragged out for ages as my HCG kept rising for a few weeks so had to be monitored by hospital till it fell to 0 which was very frustrating ( especially since I got pg my 1st cycle with DS after my 1st mc in 2010 at 5w+5).

Not feeling quite brave enough to stick my head into the main thread yet, at least until I get through the next week.

CallingAllEngels DC2 EDD 28th December

ParanoidCoventGarden75 Fri 18-Apr-14 10:24:31

Welcome Angel, i hope everything goes to plan this time for you.

Thank you for your messages. Well, i've packed my bag (most of it is medication shock) and i think i'll decide at the station, i'm aware that pregnant women commute by train to work in London everyday. president the nurse and the counsellor said pretty much the same thing to me, it's now outside our control, if it wants to stick it will.

Penguin13 Fri 18-Apr-14 10:45:09

Welcome Engels I'm sorry you've been through two mcs. Really hope this new little bean grabs on tight.

Paranoid hope you manage to relax if you make it onto the train.

Feeling quite guilty for planning a very quiet Easter weekend and not seeing family. I'm just shattered. We did see my family last weekend but feel like I should have made plans to see them over Easter. So shattered though, did a tiny bit of gardening this morning and feel like I've been for a run.

PresidentSpreadable Fri 18-Apr-14 14:11:21

Good luck Covent, hope you have a lovely and relaxing break!

ParanoidCoventGarden75 Fri 18-Apr-14 14:41:26

penguin enjoy your quiet weekend.
Your family will forgive you when you tell them your news grin

I'm now waiting to board. And wondering if my panic attacks are due to progesterone picks (morning and evening medication). Lucky for him OH booked tickets for 3pm smile and security guards were understanding and didn't make me go through x-ray.

ParanoidCoventGarden75 Fri 18-Apr-14 15:00:23


Penguin13 Sat 19-Apr-14 08:50:37

Urgh. Feeling shocking this morning and about to go on an hour and a half driving lesson - hooray! Still only slight nausea but feeling horribly shaky and faint. Hate driving lessons at the best of times. Wasn't planning on telling my driving instructor just yet but might have to as otherwise he may wonder why I insist on eating a banana midway through my lesson [hmmm]

Any news Lacey? Thinking of you.

basgetti Sat 19-Apr-14 12:38:56

How is everyone feeling? I keep bursting into tears, not sure if this is normal! Starting to feel a bit pregnant now though, gone very bloated, my boobs are in agony and I'm very very tired. I'm taking this as a good sign that things are progressing so far. x

Popcorn1979 Sat 19-Apr-14 12:58:41

Hello all! Hope you are all enjoying the weekend and feeling ok. Paranoid I hope the train was alright! I (obviously) caved this morning and went for my scan and despite having zero symptoms, there is a baby there with a heartbeat!!! Hope that is a comfort to those on here who have also been worried by a lack of symptoms. So delighted and surprised - was a shaky sobbing mess beforehand! X

basgetti Sat 19-Apr-14 14:39:55

That's brilliant Popcorn smile

Penguin13 Sat 19-Apr-14 15:43:37

Hooray Popcorn! Brilliant news that your little kernel is doing well smile. The great news is that I think that at 7 weeks the odds of things going well if you see the heartbeat at this stage improve to something like 95%. So pleased for you.

LaceyLee Sat 19-Apr-14 18:09:39

Hi all, back from holidays & brown spotting has finished for now thank goodness! Popcorn that's great news about your scan!! Hoping mine is similar on thurs... Thinking there are three options from the brown stuff: all fine, mc or blighted ovum... Trying to be positive. Paranoid hope you enjoy yourself in Germany and penguin that sounds quite rubbish having a driving lesson whilst feeling sicky!! Nausea is kicking in here too, though not actually thrown up yet!

CallingAllEngels Sat 19-Apr-14 18:24:41

Good news popcorn.

CallingAllEngels Sat 19-Apr-14 18:31:34

X-posted. Glad things are okay lacey

ParanoidCoventGarden75 Sat 19-Apr-14 20:21:21

Great news popcorn, so happy for you.

basgetti sorry you're feeling tearful, I've had that too last week, and think it's quite normal when pg after an mmc, lots of emotions are resurfacing, I hope you manage to get some reassurance soon and manage to enjoy the journey.

Well, train journey was fine, very smooth. Once I had my head screwed back on, I remembered that bean has as much chances of falling of me as a grain of rice has of a peanut butter sandwich. The main risk of travelling is blood clot but I had plenty of space and water and I'm on blood thinner.

MrsFtn Sat 19-Apr-14 22:29:28

Ok so I've been lurking back here for a while now and I've decided I am ready to put in writing that for now at least I'm back in the game.

Those of you that have been here for a while may remember that I had a scan when I should've been 6+4 that showed an empty sac measuring 6-7 weeks. Well I went back for another scan on Wednesday having had no pain or bleeding (other than a bit of brown spotting) and lo and behold they saw a yolk sac and a fetal pole with heartbeat!

Apparently fetal pole measured only 5-6 weeks so they think I just ovulated late and my dates were out. They said it is unusual to have such a large sac for my dates but didn't seem to think it was a problem. I, of course am still convinced it is a bad sign but I know I am in good company on this thread and I am hoping for a bit of mutual hand holding.

I posted under a different name on the pg thread to see if anyone else had experienced this but nobody seems to have. I'm desperately trying to stay away from Professor Google and trying to just take each day as it comes. I don't have any more scans booked as they said I could be discharged from epau until my 12 week scan.

Sorry for the mamouth post tbublush

ParanoidCoventGarden75 Sun 20-Apr-14 05:42:37

ftn glad to see you back smile

Popcorn1979 Sun 20-Apr-14 07:11:44

Thanks everyone! Ftn that is great news!!! Delighted for you! Lacey glad to hear the spotting has stopped, from all the reading I have done it seems pretty common and most of the time doesn't mean anything so fx for you x

CallingAllEngels Sun 20-Apr-14 07:19:35

Great news ftn !

LaceyLee Sun 20-Apr-14 10:30:57

Wow that's amazing mrsftn! Great to have more positive news smile
Thanks for the kind words everyone. I'm feeling crappy today, so sick!! And tired, I'm just lazing on the sofa when there's lots I should be doing aaagh! How's everyone else feeling today? Happy Easter all x

Penguin13 Sun 20-Apr-14 10:55:13

Brilliant MrsFtn! Fantastic to have more positive news. You must be so relieved. Welcome back Lacey good news that spotting has stopped. Hopefully more good news to come on Thurs.

AnnieHoo Sun 20-Apr-14 13:56:25

Happy Easter everyone! I've been following this thread and think I'm ready to join now at 7 weeks. I am due around 7th December. I had a MC in November 2012 at 8.5 weeks. I was really down after the MC and even though I am so over-the-moon I find it hard to accept that this one might be viable. I'm trying to keep a lid on it and not think too much until 12 weeks (that'll never happen!). I will be so happy if it works out this time as I have just finished 3 rounds of Clomid and the next step was IVF. I'm 40 and this is will be my first, feeling a bit wobbly about that too! I'm going to book an appt with midwife next week. Can't believe it.

CallingAllEngels Sun 20-Apr-14 17:46:41

Hi annie - welcome aboard. The RMC AN bus was my saviour when I had my mc in October. Fx this is a sticky bean!
I was planning on waiting to contact mw for at least a week, but they said last time to sign in asap so they can book in an early scan. Not sure if that will really help my nerves though! Just have to get through one week at a time. And I'm way too impatient so will probably sign up tomorrow online!

Dottydadoo Sun 20-Apr-14 18:24:08

Welcome Annie and congratulations, fx for you.
I'm on holiday this coming week and the days seem to be going slower than ever!
I'm only 6w and have an early scan booked at 8w (private as I haven't got the energy to make my case with the NHS esp after some bad experiences when I had my miscarriage last year) I'm tempted to bring it forward by 1 week just to know one way or the other....I have got all symptoms except bad nausea - i had hyperemesis with my first 2 pregnancies so I'm scared because I'm not puking...

Penguin13 Sun 20-Apr-14 19:56:38

Welcome Annie. I'm sorry for your previous loss. I am already finding this thread so helpful in terms of sharing my fears with people who know what it's like and hope you discover the same.

geewaf Mon 21-Apr-14 07:19:10

Hi everyone and congrats to all
I have been lurking on this thread for a few days and thought I would now jump in. I am about 5 weeks - embarrassingly I don't know exactly as had given up meticulously counting dates and was trying to take a more relaxed attitude to it all - I guess it must have worked!.

I have had 3 MMC - 2 before I had my lovely DD and 1 most recently in August. I feel completely excited and not at all anxious (well, not too anxious) which seems weird given my history but have decided just to be happy and what will be will be. I will go for an early scan at 8 wks but not booked up yet.
Good luck to all

Penguin13 Mon 21-Apr-14 08:21:38

Hi Geewaf, congratulations on your BFP and welcome! You have a brilliant attitude, especially given your history, and I could definitely learn something from it. Despite the worries I have been letting a little bit of excitement creep back in which I'm glad about. Having a baby IS exciting! smile

CallingAllEngels Mon 21-Apr-14 08:36:48

Hi geewaf .

I'm beginning to get excited too penguin !

LaceyLee Mon 21-Apr-14 09:36:52

Hi geewaf! I think it's great that you don't know quite how far along you are, a relaxed attitude is probably very healthy! Nice that penguin and Engels are getting excited! I'm still trying to hold off with the excitement til after my scan... But still it's impossible not to get slightly drawn in by it all smile

LaceyLee Mon 21-Apr-14 10:05:19

Also is anyone else's sickness on and off? Felt terrible yesterday but feeling full of energy and not sick today - obviously good but is this normal?!

geewaf Mon 21-Apr-14 10:23:17

Yes thanks LaceyLee - hopefully I don't feel a bit of a twit when start going to appointments and can't confirm dates!! Penguin - nice that you are starting to let the excitement creep in despite all the worries - I am completely contradicting everything I told myself following my last MC which was to be calm and not get carried away etc etc but just can't help it! I figure that if the worst is to happen it will be devastating either way so might as well just go for it! My DH is the complete opposite to me and very calm and so hopefully will help me keep a level head.

That's how I feel at the moment - might be totally different next week and will be more than happy to listen to fears of others either way. When I had my DD I had brown spotting then a red bleed early on and was convinced that I had MC again so was shocked to see the little heartbeat on screen. With my MCs I have had a mix of symptoms, no symptoms, spotting no spotting so basically I have no clue what to expect or what is the right or wrong thing to be feeling. Doesn't stop me symptom spotting with the best of them though ;)

basgetti Mon 21-Apr-14 10:56:17

Hi all. Lacey I have been the same, felt quite nauseous yesterday and hardly ate. Today I've woken up hungry and full of energy and we've decided to go out and get some bits for a BBQ! Hope everyone is doing well and enjoys the bank holiday x

AnnieHoo Mon 21-Apr-14 12:55:51

thank you for the welcome!

I was just worrying about on-and-off sickness too. It's so reassuring to feel queasy.

Is anyone else taking 75mg of aspirin daily? My OBGYN consultant told me after miscarriage "when you get pregnant again start taking Baby Asprin as soon as you find out until 12 weeks". I'm doing it but feel unsure, will speak to GP about it next week.

FranksBobot Mon 21-Apr-14 14:22:10

Hi everyone,
Hope you don't mind me joining you! I got my BFP on friday. I have a DD who is 8 and suffered a mmc in october 2011.
I am not entirely sure how far along I am as AF is horrendously irregular. I reckon I'm around 5-6 weeks though.
I am finding it really difficult to remain calm with this pregnancy. Trying to take each day as it comes but its so difficult.

geewaf Mon 21-Apr-14 15:31:02

Hi franks and welcome. Hope this thread can give you a little comfort in what is clearly a scary time.

Annie I have not heard of the aspirin thing? Intrigued though and curious to hear more, must google it when I get home!!

ParanoidCoventGarden75 Mon 21-Apr-14 20:33:01

annie I'm on daily 75mg aspirin aka baby aspirin, I can't remember exactly what it's for but part of treatment given by hospital

Penguin13 Mon 21-Apr-14 21:44:18

Welcome Franks and congratulations! Having difficulty staying calm about being pregnant this time makes you officially 100% normal. Hopefully being able to talk about it on here will be a help.

FranksBobot Tue 22-Apr-14 08:05:09

Thanks Gee and Penguin!
I never thought I would be so delighted to have sore boobs! Nearly hit the roof trying to put my bra on this morning. Feeling a little delicate this morning also. I'm going to ask for a blood test today to try and work out my dates.
Hope everyone has a lovely day.

Penguin13 Tue 22-Apr-14 15:13:59

I'm with you on the sore boobs Franks. I am perilously close to having to buy some new bras to accommodate my burgeoning bosoms! My theory is that because I'm usually very modestly endowed they need to get growing straight away to catch up.

Anyone else got the post bank holiday blues? Think it's partly because I've had a stinking cold since Saturday afternoon so don't really feel like I made the most of the long weekend. Oh well, it's only a 4 day week so how bad can it be?

Got my booking in appointment this Friday which I guess gets the ball rolling for booking the 12 week scan. I chucked my notes away from my last pregnancy but should I have kept them?

Sollers Tue 22-Apr-14 16:07:31

Can I join? I had a miscarriage a few years ago at 7 weeks, and have unexpectedly become pregnant naturally just as we were about to start IVF. I'm also nearly 40 and have a bicornate uterus, so to say I'm terrified is an understatement.

I'm 6+2 today and I'm not due to have a scan for another two weeks. I'm not entirely sure how I'm going to keep it together until then. I do have rather magnificent boobs at the moment though, which is some consolation. smile

Penguin13 Tue 22-Apr-14 16:58:12

Hi Sollers and welcome. Congratulations smile. What does a bicornate uterus mean for your pregnancy? Does it increase the risks? You're in the right place for some hand-holding as you navigate the scary bits. Hope the 2 weeks goes as quickly as it can.

Penguin13 Tue 22-Apr-14 17:02:34

Hi Sollers and welcome. Congratulations smile. What does a bicornate uterus mean for your pregnancy? Does it increase the risks? You're in the right place for some hand-holding as you navigate the scary bits. Hope the 2 weeks goes as quickly as it can.

Sollers Tue 22-Apr-14 17:15:25

Hi and thanks Penguin.

A bicornate uterus means there's a higher risk of miscarriage. As if my age and previous history weren't risk factors enough. sad

However, I had an early scan last week and it appears that bean has implanted so I can only hope at this stage that it sticks.

But yeah, with you on the post-holiday blues. I had a snotty cry over dp earlier, then got annoyed when he gave me a "hormone-sympathy" smile. Poor bloke. I am a delight to be with at the moment.

CallingAllEngels Tue 22-Apr-14 17:42:19

Hi sollers !

I've just registered with mw online.

I'm on 2w holiday now! (Sorry penguin - not trying to gloat). Maybe cake will help?

AnnieHoo Tue 22-Apr-14 17:53:01

Hi Sollers
Congratulations! smile
My OH has run out of "hormone sympathy'' smiles. His latest thing is when i say "my boobs are so sore" or "eugh, I feel sick" he just says "good!" (in a positive jolly upbeat way). That is really really getting on my tits and he knows it!

beershuffle Tue 22-Apr-14 18:10:04

I just got a bfp a few days ago while in hospital for an unrelated matter. Booked into epu on friday to date and check after the injury/drugsctaken for it, etc, though it has to be <6 weeks.
Ive had 3mc, the last one this time last year at 12 weeks after 2 scans with hb and suspected ectopic. Bit all over the place :-(

Penguin13 Tue 22-Apr-14 18:11:13

Haha Annie my H said that exact thing to me not 5 mins ago when I said my boobs were uber-sore grin. As for the hormonal tears I think he's getting used to random incidents such as me bawling at, um, <whispers> Britain's Got Talent blush and don't even get me started on the teensy kitten on the vet programme we were watching that had been run over. Blub central. He knows the drill though. Don't ask why I'm crying, I probably don't know, just give me a big cuddle and pretend this is completely normal behaviour smile

LaceyLee Tue 22-Apr-14 18:42:39

Welcome sollers and beers. Beers it sounds like this was a bit of a surprise/unplanned? No wonder you're a bit unsure of everything - hopefully when you've had a few days to let it sink in you'll feel better.

My DH is also slightly fed up of me now! I have been moaning about feeling sick and tired and he's a bit over it now...only 8 months to go! (Hopefully). He seems really sure that this one will work out, hoping he is right smile

Sollers Tue 22-Apr-14 18:54:42

Thanks for the welcomes ladies!
Penguin Don't ask why I'm crying, I probably don't know, just give me a big cuddle and pretend this is completely normal behaviour this is totally the correct drill. grin

beers brew and sympathy. how do you feel about being pregnant again?

Penguin13 Tue 22-Apr-14 19:17:46

Beers welcome. Sorry I missed your post before. I'm not surprised you're still feeling a bit wobbly with everything you've been through. Hope Friday's appointment is a positive one.

beershuffle Tue 22-Apr-14 19:28:05

I really dont know. I guess if I thought it would be plain sailing I would be happy, but Idont think I can cope with another one like the last...multiple scans, blood tests, weekly apts, then a mc anyway, as well as complications after the erpc.
I guess Im just expecting the worst and cant get excited at all.

geewaf Wed 23-Apr-14 07:42:46

So been slightly freaked out since I last posted - had a tiny bit of blood the other day - it really was microscopic and I am sure many people would not have even noticed it - oh how I envy pregnant ladies who don't check every time they go to the loo!

But it did freak me out - tears were shed. There's been nothing since so trying not to think about it (haha- impossible).

It's really not easy being pregnant after MC

FranksBobot Wed 23-Apr-14 07:58:44

Oh Gee, you poor thing. Is it possible it could be a water infection? Sometimes the only symptom is minimal blood when weeing. (Our erm "holes" so to speak are super close together so possible it may be from uretha)
Try and distract yourself and take it easy for the day.

geewaf Wed 23-Apr-14 08:16:53

Thanks franks - hadn't thought of that. I had quite a bit of bleeding when pregnant with my DD so trying not to worry....

Does anyone know how to fast forward time by a few weeks ?!?!?!

FranksBobot Wed 23-Apr-14 09:25:33

If you figure out how to fast forward time please let me know!!! Just get me to 12 weeks and I'll be happy!!

Ive decided positive thinking is my mission for the day, I bought some pregnancy support tablets yesterday (3 months worth) as this baby WILL stay put. I'm off to asda later to stock up on lots of fruit and veg as my diet could do with some improvement. Although have serious wind issues this morning so dread to think what I'll be like after eating wind producing foods!
The sun is shining here and I'm going to make my mood match it!

Penguin13 Wed 23-Apr-14 09:29:33

Geewaf if you figure out how to fast forward time let me know! I'm sorry to hear you were freaked out by your recent bleeding. As you know it doesn't necessarily mean something sinister although I know how scary it is. If you do get worried there is no harm in calling your midwife to discuss your concerns. I had a very small amount of bleeding recently but I was fortunately prepared for the possibility as when I had my scan at 6+3 they had noted a small area of bleeding. Apparently this is quite common and they don't really know what causes it. It either gets reabsorbed into your body or can be expelled. They certainly didn't seem very concerned about mine. Remind me, do you have an early scan booked?

I am having a mini-wobble as I don't feel very pregnant today. I do still have the sore boobs but then I think it could just be pectoral muscle pain from bad posture. I know I am being ridiculous and that symptoms come and go I just can't wait to get to next Thursday evening. Deep breaths, 'today I am pregnant'.

Lacey am I right in thinking your scan is tomorrow? How are you holding up? Remind me, who else is heading for scans soon?

Penguin13 Wed 23-Apr-14 09:30:58

Cross post Franks. What a great attitude. I could do with adopting that positive attitude smile

PresidentSpreadable Wed 23-Apr-14 11:05:21

I've got an early scan at 7+4 on Friday morning. Dreading it. Utterly convinced it will be another mmc, or empty sac, or measuring too small.

Oh well.

Even if it all looks ok, still another 5.5 weeks until the next scan, anything could go wrong. I'm trying very hard to stay positive, but I just can't.

Penguin13 Wed 23-Apr-14 11:19:17

President I understand how you feel and the waiting is utterly shit. I won't tell you not to worry as I know that it's nearly impossible not to. There's not long to go now even if it feels like forever. You're right, things can go wrong but if things look good at 7+4 your baby has a strong chance. One tip I picked up from another board is to mention to the person doing the ultrasound that you have had a previous mc and to please tell you straight away if they can see a heartbeat and things look ok. Sending lots of calming vibes and a hug your way. Today you are pregnant.

PresidentSpreadable Wed 23-Apr-14 12:20:29

That's a really good tip, thanks Penguin. I feel worn out by possible motherhood already, when does the enjoyable bit start?!

LaceyLee Wed 23-Apr-14 13:01:56

Hi all, president that sounds hard, I have my scan tmrw. I'm also feeling pretty nervous and ill only be 6+3 by then so it might be too early to tell me much. I would quite like to fast forward to the 12 week point as well!! First day back at work for me, have only had a few waves of nausea and it's been ok so far.

Sollers Wed 23-Apr-14 13:28:47

Fingers crossed for your scans, guys. I hope you all have very good news.

Penguin13 Wed 23-Apr-14 13:59:46

What time is your scan tomorrow Lacey?

LaceyLee Wed 23-Apr-14 14:07:21

4pm! Scared! Ill be at work before which will hopefully be good and take my mind off it. And I can go home afterwards and hopefully be happy!!!

PresidentSpreadable Wed 23-Apr-14 14:16:53

I will be keeping fx crossed for you Lacey.

PresidentSpreadable Wed 23-Apr-14 14:17:13

duh, fx for you obviously.

FranksBobot Wed 23-Apr-14 14:54:08

Good luck Lacey, president and all others who have scans soon. FX for lots of healthy heartbeats and strong growing babies.
I'm moving house at the weekend so haven't registered with a midwife yet but is first thing on my to do after we've moved list! I'm hoping they will allow me to have a reassurance scan quite quickly as I'm so unsure of my dates.

Penguin13 Wed 23-Apr-14 16:23:03

Hey Beer how are you doing today? With your history I think it is completely normal to be feeling pessimistic and finding it hard to get excited. Hopefully that will come with time once you are a bit further along. Unfortunately taking things one day at a time is the only way. I know there are a few people on here with more than one loss but you may also find the board under pregnancy with the title along the lines of 'pregnant after miscarriage + today we are pregnant' useful as a resource. There seem to a lot of ladies with rmc on that board who may be able to offer some additional words of wisdom and comfort.

Keeping everything crossed for you tomorrow Lacey. Let us know how you get on.

LaceyLee Wed 23-Apr-14 16:54:58

Thanks everyone, it's nice to have support on heresmile I shall definitely let you know!

Dottydadoo Wed 23-Apr-14 17:07:11

I've got a scan booked at 8w, a week on Sat. Cannot wait to know 1 way or the other.
Good luck to everyone who has a scan coming up...

LaceyLee Wed 23-Apr-14 18:12:10

Hi all, just been time wasting googling stuff and found these stats about mc.... I'm a bit of a stats geek so I found it interesting and thought if share. It does tell me that I was really unlucky to have my first mc tho!!


CakesALot Wed 23-Apr-14 18:18:53

Hi ladies!

Sorry I disappeared for a while, life has been a bit manic! I finally had my scan today - for those who need a recap,I got pregnant in the wtf cycle and have had spotting pretty much since I got my bfp and also 2 actual bleeds as well. But the scan today showed a healthy little bean with a lovely heart beat! I measured 7+5 which is about what I thought. I feel very reassured but there's still that niggle of terror there. They couldn't see any cause for the bleeding so it's just one of those things apparently!

Just wanted to share some good news. Hope everyone is doing ok and good luck for those upcoming scans smile xx

Penguin13 Wed 23-Apr-14 18:32:29

Congratulations Cakes wonderful news! So glad everything looked good on your scan. Now you've seen a heartbeat at over 7 weeks it massively improves the odds of everything turning out fine. Hooray!

Penguin13 Wed 23-Apr-14 18:35:02

Thanks for the stats Lacey. Interesting reading.

ParanoidCoventGarden75 Wed 23-Apr-14 19:19:28

Hi Ladies,

Sorry I wish I could be positive but I still so don't feel pregnant, scan is next wednesday I'll be 8 weeks. Even though I'm convinced there is nothing there, bad news would still be devastating. Consultant said my mmc was bad luck and that I had good chances this time, I am aware that age is not on our side though, with my old eggs and DP over 50. I'm not great to be around atm, so much for our 8th anniversary today.

Great news on the scan cakes
president hug, I hope you feel better soon
Lacey fx for tomorrow
penguin thanks for this thread and being so positive and supportive of everyone

PresidentSpreadable Wed 23-Apr-14 19:39:53

Thank you Covent, a hug for you too. Sounds like you very much need one. I also meant to say thank you for your irl vent offer a while back. Sadly I work a little way from where you do, but maybe in our blooming 2nd tris when the weather will be lovely?

Excellent scan news cakes really chuffed for you!

Penguin13 Wed 23-Apr-14 20:16:42

Paranoid I'm sorry you're feeling so down. I've been there and it's not a nice place to be. I really hope you're wrong (like I turned out to be). Big hug for you. One more week to go. Congratulations on your 8 year anniversary. It's sad that you don't really feel in the mood to celebrate but the fact that you're still going strong despite what you've been through is a real achievement. Lastly, thank you for your lovely comment. Totally made me cry in a predictably hormonal pg lady kind of a way blush

xkatxdollx Wed 23-Apr-14 21:12:27

hey everyone I was wondering if anyone who had multiple miscarriages got to have more ultrasounds when they became pregnant again?

Sollers Wed 23-Apr-14 21:17:55

Damn, should'nt have looked at those statistics. I'm highrisk for almost everything. Freaking out a bit now again.

paranoid i know how you feel lovely. Dp is 47 so we're both pushing our luck. Best of luck for the scan next week.

cakes congratulations on your good news.

geewaf Wed 23-Apr-14 22:52:01

Hi Xkat. regarding extra scans, I had an early one and 7 weeks then the normal 12/20 week ones. Not sure if extra scans are available (and were not offered to me) so interested to hear if anyone else had extra ones - would help the huge wait between the 7 and 12 week one for sure

beershuffle Wed 23-Apr-14 23:46:50

Wow I wish I hadnt read those statistics! If you add them all up my chance of mc is about 20 times the norm, and even if it sticks the chance of stillbirth is increased by 1300%. Bloody hell. Huge row with dh and cramping already.Sorry to be such a downer but unable to summon up even fake positivity.

LaceyLee Thu 24-Apr-14 06:25:54

Oh dear I'm sorry, should have posted them, but I think I was hoping they would be a bit reassuring. It's all out of our control anyway. Really sorry to have upset anyone, was a stupid idea.

Penguin13 Thu 24-Apr-14 06:58:54

Beer there's no need to pretend you're feeling any different. We all have good and bad days. It totally sucks that the odds are against you but for every one of those bad percentage rates there are some who make it. Are you having any treatment?

Hi xcat. I think it depends a lot on how many and a bit on the policy of the units where you are. Normally early scans seem to be for those specifically with pain or bleeding but in some places anxiety after previous mc is seen as a valid reason. After viability is established I'm not really sure how it goes in terms of extra scans. You may find people who know more on the general pg after mc thread under pregnancy as there are several who are a lot further along.

AnnieHoo Thu 24-Apr-14 09:30:29

FX for your scan today Lacey and for you tomorrow President. And anyone else who is getting an early scan. x

Sollers Thu 24-Apr-14 09:42:39

Don't worry about it Lacey. I have decided to ignore the statistics anyway. I either am or am not pregnant, and today I appear to be pregnant! smile

Best of luck for your scan today.

PresidentSpreadable Thu 24-Apr-14 09:42:52

Thanks Annie.

Don't worry Lacey, at 40 I already know that the stats are horrific for me, reading them for the nth time didn't really shock me particularly.

beershuffle Thu 24-Apr-14 10:01:23

Sorry Lacey, Im a stats geek too normally, I was judt surprised by them. On the plus side it shows just how little we can do to change outcomes.
I hsve a scan booked in the morning, hopefully that will give an answer one way or another. Good ouck to everyone.

AnnieHoo Thu 24-Apr-14 10:22:40

All the best for tomorrow Beers.

President at 40 with partners over 40 we've already beaten the stats by getting pregnant in the first place. smile

Penguin13 Thu 24-Apr-14 10:41:32

Lacey how are you holding up? Will be thinking of you today. Wishing you so much luck.

PresidentSpreadable Thu 24-Apr-14 11:32:11

Troo dat Annie! Although, poor old MrPres is only 38 bless him.

I've just petrified myself even more by reading a study that concluded that older mothers who don't experience ms have a higher risk of early miscarriage. Brilliant. 7+3 and apart from a couple of waves of nausea/gagging at the bins I've had nothing to write home about.

In fact, apart from crushing fatigue, bloathing, and sore boobs, I don't really have any symptoms at all.

PresidentSpreadable Thu 24-Apr-14 11:33:28

I wish I could fast forward to this time tomorrow, I just want to get it all sorted if it's not viable, and get back to normal life.

MrsFtn Thu 24-Apr-14 11:56:20

Hi everyone, sorry I haven't been on since I shared my good news a few days ago. I've given myself a bit of an Internet Ban over Easter as I was driving myself round the bend Googling stuff and looking at threads on here. Good to see some new faces names on here, sorry you are in our position of previous losses.

I can't even make my midwife appt until tomorrow as my GP surgery has just moved to a new 'state of the art' purpose built premises. They moved on 17th April and I keep ringing up and being told 'sorry, the slots for the midwife are not available yet'. Yesterday they promised me I would be able to book an appt tomorrow so fx I won't have to wait too long to actually see her.

Good luck Lacey for today. Have you got anyone going with you to the scan? I always find if I'm on my own I get more worked up and anxious but having someone else (preferable DH) there really helps me.

My symptoms seem to have dropped off a bit now. I don't feel too nauseous and my boobs are ok, just a bit firmer than usual! I am getting quite a lot of trapped wind which is really painful blush. I still don't really know what my dates are. If I go by the last scan I am 6-7 weeks this week but that means I would have only been 2-3 weeks when I got my BFP. Going by LMP I should be 9 weeks today! I'm still really worried that there is such a difference in these dates. Hoping Midwife will put my mind at rest when I finally get to see her.

MrsFtn Thu 24-Apr-14 11:58:39

President - crushing fatigue, bloating and sore boobs are symptoms! They are the only symptoms I had when I had DD too!

Sollers Thu 24-Apr-14 12:08:53

President I'm having the same lack of symptons! Tiredness, big boobs and a growing addiction to Deflatine is about all I've had so far at 6+3.

I have felt rather dizzy and headachey this morning, but I don't know if that's a pregnancy sympton or a cutting-down-on-ADs sympton. confused

Best of luck for your MW appointment, Mrs. I don't see the difference in dates, though, unless the scan doesn't measure from the date of conception? I had my first scan at 5 weeks LMP and the doc told me I was 3 weeks pregnant, if that's any help?

PresidentSpreadable Thu 24-Apr-14 12:39:25

Heh, I know MrsFtn, but what I'd give for some good old fashioned vomming!

Penguin13 Thu 24-Apr-14 16:45:56

Lacey hope you are ok? Thinking of you and obsessively refreshing

StrawbsAndCream Thu 24-Apr-14 16:54:48

Hi ladies, I've been lurking for ages but not been brave enough to post! I got my BFP over 2 weeks ago, after a mmc in sept 2012 at 13 weeks and a very early mc in feb 2012.

Had an internal scan today as my lovely dr referred me for reassurance. Saw a tiny baby and flickering heartbeat which was amazing as we've never seen a live baby on a scan.. She put me at 6+2 today.

Coincidently I had some brown spotting last night and this morning so I was expecting the worst, we were so shocked to see a heartbeat.. They asked DF if he was going to faint!

The only thing is I'm still worrying now as I've had more brown bleeding since the scan, more than this morning. Could this be down to the internal scan aggravating my cervix a bit? She did have a good prod around to look at my ovaries! If any of you ladies have had brown bleeding..how long did it last? And was there more after a scan?

You'd think I'd be worrying less! Oh and did I mention we're getting married 3 weeks tomorrow.. Eeek ... Must remain calm grin.

Sorry that was a lot to take in for my first post!
Hope you are all well today and not feeling too rough.. Major hunger and nausea if I don't eat quickly enough here.
Hope your scan went well Lacey.

CakesALot Thu 24-Apr-14 17:02:39

Hi strawbs!

Ive had everything from faint brown spotting to full on fresh red bleeds since I got my bfp. They seem to be tailing off a bit now but it's been 3 weeks so far. I was told it was just one of those things, perhaps a hormonal thing, as my scan showed no issues. If you've seen a healthy baby with a heart beat then you're in a really strong place now (this is what I'm telling myself too!). It's so hard not to worry but there is nothing wrong with be positive too!

Congrats on the wedding! So exciting! smile

StrawbsAndCream Thu 24-Apr-14 17:25:21

Thanks Cakes that is reassuring to hear! Have you had more than one scan? How far along are you now? (I have probably read but can't remember!)

That's what I'm trying to tell myself..a heartbeat is good and was only a few hours ago. So difficult as previous mc does nothing for the nerves as we all know!

I'm booked in for another scan on the 7th May so atleast I have that to work towards.

I know and have read a lot of people who have had brown bleeding too and been fine.. Wouldn't it be good if we had home self scanners.. Although we'd all be on the dildo cam 24/7! grin

Thank you again. Yes it is exciting! Although my mind has been taken up with other things of course (great timing) so I had better get a wriggle on... Favours, centrepieces, gifts..oh the joys!!

Penguin13 Thu 24-Apr-14 18:19:48

Welcome Strawbs congratulations on two big life events in quick succession smile Really glad you had a positive scan and how exciting to be getting married in three weeks! I hope that you will be feeling blooming so you can truly appreciate the day. I hear you on the hunger. I seem to require food approximately every half hour at the moment! As far as the bleeding goes I think the general consensus is that internal scans don't cause bleeding but if there's an area of bleeding already it can sometimes just help it to come out. If that makes sense?

CakesALot Thu 24-Apr-14 19:41:04

Just had the one scan strawbs. I'm 7+6 now. They were satisfied enough with the scan that I won't have another until 12 weeks. Although I might be tempted to book a private one! Self scanning would be great although I'd be obsessed!

Dottydadoo Thu 24-Apr-14 21:11:16

Hi all - I gave in this morning after waking up again in the night worrying, decided to have my scan early today (at 6w 5days).
Perhaps it was a bit silly as the scan was inconclusive in the end as I'm measuring only 5w 5days so no heartbeat. This either means that my dates are out by 1 week or that the pregnancy has stopped progressing. They have recommended that i have another scan in 1 week to see if the pregnancy is viable or not. I'm not really any further in the know except to have some explanation about why I'm not feeling sick (was very sick in pref pregnancies)
I'm living minute by minute....!!

Penguin13 Thu 24-Apr-14 21:16:42

Oh my gosh strawbs I am bad enough on Google I can only imagine the hours wasted if there was such a thing as a self-scan (which my phone wants to correct to self-help....coincidence? grin

Just had a lovely catch-up with a friend and upon grabbing a quick dinner on my way through Paddington discovered that the bagel place on the concourse has a 30% off if you are pregnant deal. Result. Sadly I only realised this after paying but next time will be flashing my BOB badge for sure!

StrawbsAndCream Thu 24-Apr-14 23:48:06

Oh that's really good Cakes, it's such a wait between now and 12 weeks. Luckily I asked a lovely lady in the epu (rare in that place) if I could book another scan as she knew my history, she pulled me into a room and said we don't usually but I'll book you in now and make something up, I almost hugged her but I settled with an arm squeeze and a thank you! So next scan 7th May should be around 8 weeks just.

I'd definitely go private if you can't have one on the nhs, just to put your mind at ease.. 4 weeks is still very long to wait in our eyes! Plus the risk goes down again once you've seen the heartbeat again over 8 weeks I think??

Thanks for the welcome Penguin, it's rare you get to speak to people in exactly the same boat as you which is really lovely!!

The overlapping life events were a bit of a surprise (ish) we'd been avoiding ovulation in the months leading up as I would not fit a big bump in my wedding dress.. Became slightly more relaxed nearer the time but still weren't really thinking about it! They say it happens that way! May have to loosen the back slightly wink

I think that's what probably happened penguin, that it just dislodged some.. It's not as much as it was now so feeling a bit more relaxed. I'm with you on the googling.. I'd dread somebody having a look at my history!!
Great discovery with the 30% off! There is no way anything like that exists here in South Wales!

Sorry to hear you are in limbo dotty I really feel for you, could you have possibly ovulated later than you thought? Fingers crossed and positive thinking. It seems normal for 5+5 so hopefully next week you'll be able to see baby's heartbeat. Could you get repeat bloods done in the meantime to give you some reassurance? Thinking of you!

Penguin13 Fri 25-Apr-14 07:52:25

Oh Dotty I'm sorry you're stuck in that awful limbo land. I really hope that you have a positive outcome in a week. How certain were you of your dates? Sending you a big squeeze.

Strawbs you were just getting ahead of those honeymoon instadiffers we all love who get impregnated before the ink on the certificate is even dry grin I'm sure your dress will still fit beautifully possibly after some adjustments even if you have taken the opposite approach to the last minute wedding diet!

Anyone else having trouble sleeping? I just seem really restless and it's not really helping with the overall tiredness. I thought I'd get a lie-in past my usual 6.15 start this morning and a chance to catch up but my body decided to wake up at 4.30 and not go back to sleep. I could cry!

Dottydadoo Fri 25-Apr-14 08:02:43

thanks Strawbs - glad to hear that you have had a nice experience in epu, and they are looking after you.
Very exciting to be getting married as well - congratulations! What a roller-coaster for you!

Penguin - I am also googling far too much although I did get some reassurance this morning where I've read about quite a few people measuring a week or 2 behind what their dates are this early and it's turned out fine.

The waiting is painful isn't it? I can imagine that one day, it will be perfectly normal to DIY these scans at home - although imagine what these mums net threads would be like?!

I am still in awe of what they can see on the ultrasound - she could tell me which ovary the egg came from and could see what she thought was an implantation bleed (though for about 10 mins, she was saying this was a 2nd pregnancy sack....thank goodness it was an implantation bleed. My DH went quite pale grin )

PresidentSpreadable Fri 25-Apr-14 12:18:23

Well, that went better than expected. Heartbeat all present and correct, measuring bang on for my dates. Only minor problem was a small fibroid, but hopefully not going to cause any issues. MrPres more shocked than me. 7+4.

PresidentSpreadable Fri 25-Apr-14 12:19:34

Oh and thank you all for giving me an outlet. Special thanks to Penguin for starting this thread.

MrsFtn Fri 25-Apr-14 12:39:02

Great news president I'm so pleased for you. Hopefully you will relax a bit more now as a hb at 7+4 isreally promising for a successful pregnancy smile. Is your 12 week scan going to be he next one or have you booked any more?

I finally got a mw appt for 6th May. I think I should be8-9 weeks by then going by my last scan dates.

dotty I really hope this week goes quickly for you. I know how uou feel. I had a scan when I thought I should be 6-7 weeks and they couldn't see anything. Went back 10 days later and they found hb and said I was only 5-6 weeks!

AnnieHoo Fri 25-Apr-14 13:12:34

Brilliant news President. I would LOVE to see what's going on in there. I think I'm 7w+5 but could be less. Going to GP this afternoon to let them know.

Penguin13 Fri 25-Apr-14 13:24:50

Brilliant news President so pleased for you and MrPres. Hopefully you can start to relax and breathe a bit now. Am getting jel of all those who have seen the hb post 7 weeks. Can't wait till my 9 week scan to check if things have progressed.

Just on my way into work as I had my booking in appointment with the mw this morning. Was amazed that by the end of the appointment I had a 12 week scan date booked in for May 22nd. Very efficient. Feel like absolute crap and my head is banging but I don't want to take the p with work so slogging in to do a couple of hours. 5pm can't come soon enough.

Dottydadoo Fri 25-Apr-14 14:13:13

Fantastic news President - congratulations!

MrsF - good to hear that you had the same experience? Maybe it's not that uncommon. Positive thoughts and all that...

Know what you mean about work Penguin - I've just had a week holiday and must brace myself for the full on routine next week...am exhausted. Roll on 5pm for you...

PresidentSpreadable Fri 25-Apr-14 14:15:49

Wow, that is efficient Penguin. I dropped my self referral form off with the midwives this morning and they said I'd get my appointment dates in ten days or so.

Is your nine week scan next week?

Are you tempted to have an early scan Annie? We are age twins I see, and almost EDD twins too. It's reassured me up to a point, still a long old road to travel, but definitely feeling calmer now.

AnnieHoo Fri 25-Apr-14 14:42:22

i would love to get an early scan Pres will have to see what they say today. I live on a Scottish island so would have to fly to Edinburgh or Glasgow for a private scan if they don't offer one. I'll stress to the GP that I'm at an advanced age and anxious about another MC.

Trying to work but feel so queasy and can't concentrate - roll on 4.30!

CakesALot Fri 25-Apr-14 14:49:22

Hi everyone!

Great news president! So reassuring to get through these hurdles.

I saw my GP again today to get 'booked in'. They wanted me to get an all clear on my scan before referring me to the midwife. I'm 8 weeks today so a bit worried I might be a bit behind. GP said it would be fine and they'll take into account my dates. I just want that next date in the diary! I hope my mw is as efficient as yours penguin!

I'm working at home today after a few manic days at work and I'm enjoying putting my feet up (whilst working hard of course!). And some genuine hunger broke through the nausea today so I ate a decent sized lunch at last! I'm definitely off meat though,much to DHs annoyance!

Hope everyone is well. So great to be slowly moving along this bumpy road with others in the same boat. Or should that be car?!

beershuffle Fri 25-Apr-14 15:42:06

Just back from the scan. Nothing to be seen. Blood tests todsy snd in 2 days, but I think its just a formality? I'll bow out now.
Best of luck to everyone, hope it all goes all for you x

Penguin13 Fri 25-Apr-14 16:38:45

Beer I'm so sorry that it wasn't good news. Is there any chance it was just too early as you were so unsure of your dates? Really sorry that you and your partner are going through this all again.

beershuffle Fri 25-Apr-14 16:46:30

Checked my calander and should be in or around six weeks, so there should be at least a sac to be seen, but there was nothing. I usually feel very sick early on as well and there is none. Ah, I had a feeling, and at least its not c.12w this time, its ok.
Fingers crossed forgood news for you all.

Penguin13 Fri 25-Apr-14 19:51:47

Beer I really hope that you find out what's causing the problem and go on to have a successful pregnancy. I hope you and your partner have lots of support in RL. Be kind to yourselves. If and when you feel ready to try again I can highly recommend the TTC after mc board under conception. They are a really lovely supportive bunch.

CakesALot Fri 25-Apr-14 19:53:22

I second what penguin says about the TTC thread. So sorry you're having a tough time beer thanks

ParanoidCoventGarden75 Fri 25-Apr-14 20:06:56

Beer so sorry to hear your news sad. Take care of yourself.
Dotty i hope you're coping with the wait, it's so hard not knowing where to stand.
president that's wonderful news. Such a relief.

Welcome to all the newbies I haven't had a chance to greet.

Work has been busy the last few days so I took the opportunity to try and detox a bit from MN and the pg obsession, but now weekend is back smile and letter from MW was waiting for me when i got home, appointment in 3 weeks on 16 May.

DrFunkesFamilyBandSolution Fri 25-Apr-14 20:08:32

Sorry for your news Beer.

Have booked my scan for next week, will be 7wks, almost 8 so everything crossed.

PresidentSpreadable Fri 25-Apr-14 21:05:25

So sorry to hear your news beer.

I'm going to try and take a break from mn for a week or so and try to just get on with stuff and not think too much about whether or not everything is going ok. I hope any scans in the meantime go well. Look after yourselves ladies.

beershuffle Fri 25-Apr-14 21:29:35

Thanks all. I should have said, I am lucky enough to have dc already I am in a good place compared to many. Shouldnt complain. Its jst tha 4 mc is too many.
Thanks for the good wishes, much appreciated.

Penguin13 Fri 25-Apr-14 21:52:36

I am so glad to hear that you already have dc Beer but don't ever feel like you don't have as much right to feel upset over your miscarriages as anyone else. It's shitty and awful whatever your situation.

xkatxdollx Sat 26-Apr-14 00:14:06

love this thread hoping everyone gets sticky baby's I'm hoping to have good news on Wednesday had my blood taken at 5w3d at 1250 hoping it doubles properly wish me luck anyone else have similar numbers?

xkatxdollx Sat 26-Apr-14 00:15:56

aww beer I feel for you I've had 4 mc too thank god I have my dd

FranksBobot Sat 26-Apr-14 06:54:38

Morning everyone,

Hope everyone is doing ok.
Welcome Strawbs congratulations on baby and wedding! Goodness me you've been busy!
Dotty try and stay positive for your next scan. My DD initially measured a week behind the dates I thought and she is now a thriving 8 year old.
Fantastic news President glad all is well with mini president. I can't wait to have a scan and figure dates out and get some much needed reassurance.
Penguin It's nice to know that your scans are being booked quickly. Its always nice having a date to look forward to. I'm hoping once we've moved and I get the ball rolling it will be quick and easy!
Beer I am so sorry to hear your news, I also have a dd and know firsthand that it doesn't make losses any easier. Sending you a big virtual hug.Take care and don't be too hard on yourself.

Well it is moving day for us. I've been up since 4am with horrendous nausea, which i am putting down to excitement / nerves as not felt this ill before. We haven't told anyone we are expecting so i'm thinking of excuses not to join in with the heavy lifting. I really don't want to chance anything and trying to take it super careful as already panicking enough.
My boobs are HUGE and killing me so taking that as a good sign and I had the worst heartburn i've ever experienced last night too. Not sleeping very well but think that is probably down to the move.

Penguin13 Sat 26-Apr-14 09:32:05

Happy moving day Franks how exciting! Hope it all goes smoothly. As far as the lifting goes you may need to invent a back problem. Easiest excuse and one that you can't see. Failing that, make sure you are always occupied carrying the smaller stuff so it doesn't come up.

Good luck with your numbers xkat unfortunately I have never had mine tested so can't offer you any experiences on that score.

Great that you have your scan booked for next week DrFunkes. Will keep everything crossed for you. What day is it on?

Sollers Sun 27-Apr-14 10:55:19

sorry about your news, beers

hope your move went well, franks

I had a dream last night that I had a big bleed. I'm trying to convince myself it's not an omen. honestly, normally I am a level-headed reasonable person. how did I turn into this paranoid worrywart?

Penguin13 Sun 27-Apr-14 14:03:31

Sollers welcome to the wonderful world of being pregnant after mc. We've already experienced the worst happening so it's no wonder we're hyper aware of what could go wrong and tuned in to gut feelings/ possible signs. It's also possibly a way of trying to regain a sense of control over something we can't influence.

Now that my 9 week scan is this week my little niggling doubts that something will have gone wrong are starting to clamour louder in my head. Trying to keep them in perspective but only after Thursday will I feel able to breathe again.

Sollers Sun 27-Apr-14 15:42:28

I know exactly what you mean Penguin. I have a scan Tuesday week (6th of May), when I'll be 8 weeks. If I get a heartbeat then, I've promised myself that I'll start to relax a bit.

I'm meant to be coming off citalopram, but there's no way that's happening before the 6th. hmm I need all the help I can get to contain the crazy before then.

Penguin13 Sun 27-Apr-14 19:20:20

Sollers I think that it's important you have all the support you need so staying on citalopram till the 6th sounds like the right course for you. Not too long to go now.

Anyone else affected by the tube strikes next week? Not sure what to do this time, last time I ended up walking the 3.5 miles to and from Paddington to work but although I am reasonably fit I'm a bit concerned about walking all that way while pregnant.

ParanoidCoventGarden75 Sun 27-Apr-14 20:54:41

penguin yes it sounds a bit much, can you work from home? or go later to avoid rush hour and take a bus? with a bit of luck, they'll cancel it again and i won't be the only one in the office
sollers dreams are here to express our fears, not reality, i hope the time goes quickly for you

Penguin13 Sun 27-Apr-14 21:47:42

Good suggestions Paranoid I can't really work from home but arriving a little later seems reasonable. Last time I made sure I was in bang on time every day and didn't leave early but this time it's not just me I have to think of so I need to get over feeling like I am asking for special treatment. I am keeping everything crossed for a last minute resolution!

So I decided I needed to get on some pregnancy fitness building as I have been a bit lax on the activity front and thought it might help my mental state to focus on something positive. I did really enjoy doing the dvd but am slightly perturbed that I appear to be massively less fit, flexible and agile at 2 months than the instructor who is 8 months or so pregnant blush

AnnieHoo Mon 28-Apr-14 12:27:02

Sorry for your news Beers.

I went to GP on Friday and she referred me to Maternity recommending an early scan so I hope they give me one. I'm 8w + 1d and this is the exact time I miscarried last time but feel very different .. ah well I'll be thankful that Im feeling ok just now and try to concentrate on my work!

Hope everyone's well and had a good weekend. How are you all doing with keeping quiet about your news? I blabbed to my neighbour who is a good friend when i refused a glass of wine on Saturday night. I said I was being careful because I was a bit late. She just blurted out 'you've done a test haven't you?! I can see it in your face!!' and started hugging me. I shouldn't have blabbed but she was so supportive when I had mc so I'm glad I gave her a bit of good news for now.

President - enjoy your break from MN but come back soon EDD & age twin!

Thanks Penguin for starting this thread, i'm so glad I found it.thanks

ParanoidCoventGarden75 Mon 28-Apr-14 12:32:10

penguin I have the feeling you're one of those people who always put others first, well, time to look after yourself, if there's no tube you'll be late grin

Well done for getting back to exercise. I have no energy ATM, the 15 min walk to work felt like a massive ordeal! I haven't visited the gym for a month now, and I am starving all the time.

ParanoidCoventGarden75 Mon 28-Apr-14 14:08:41

Annie it's good to talk to someone about it. Apart from a couple of strangers in a train through Europe, I haven't told anyone. And I'm scared of calling friends in case they ask. I've actually lied to one about treatment starting next month. I know it's stupid but I am very superstitious as if it would have any influence on the outcome. I'll wait and see if my scan goes well this time, as I mmc'ed at 7 week last time. Then I'm off to see my family (haven't seen them in the flesh for 5 months), they'll ask questions for sure, and I don't know how I'll manage.

CakesALot Mon 28-Apr-14 14:36:41

I agree that's it's good to have someone to talk things through with. I've told 2 friends, one of whom supported me through my mc and is doing a great job at keeping me calm now too. The other friend I had to tell because I'm supposed to be her bridesmaid on 6th December...the day after my due date!! She was getting carried away with dress talk and hair and make up etc and it seemed cruel not to tell. Talk about Sod's law tho!

Its nice to see other people being happy for me, makes me realise I am allowed to be happy about being pregnant, not just terrified!

George2014 Mon 28-Apr-14 16:01:54

Hello all, I posted this in pregnancy but actually I figure you ladies would get it better, hope no one minds. Feeling like I really need some company at the moment.

I've got a 3yr old, no problems there. But I've had a 12 wk MMC and a 6 Wk MC in the last year and now I'm 5-6weeks pregnant again.

I'm not coping. I believe I've miscarried again even though I've got no proof really. My tests were average and I've not really got any symptoms. I just feel like there's no way there could be a positive outcome. I don't know if it's negativity from experience or a genuine sense of whats going on.

My drs surgery is rubbish. I've been a few times over the last year and I've always been treated like an neurotic idiot. 'Fragile' was the word last time and advised not to try again.....

I'm going to wait 2 weeks then call the EPU but I don't want to. I want this to be over now if it's going to be. I've got awful memories of going in that room to be told bad news and I can't do it again.

I've been crying non stop today. I stupidly did and internet cheapy test with a random middle of the day wee and it was very very faint (I've never really had a line on one). I promised myself I wouldn't do any more tests because I just worry about whats on them. I got a good line on a FRER 4 days ago and promised I'd stop then.

I'm tired of all of it. This is the end of the road for us. If I lose this one we are stopping and moving on and I think I'm so upset today because I'm trying to come to terms with that and accept life probably as a family of 3.

CakesALot Mon 28-Apr-14 16:18:59

Hi George. This is definitely the place for you,we all completely understand and know how terrifying it is being pregnant with our histories. So firstly, you're not alone.

I'd suggest going to the EPU if you can self refer. I know it's scary but it'll mean you have an answer and know where to direct your emotions. Living in limbo is the hardest bit. And step away from the tests, I freaked myself out early on in this pregnancy by doing lots of tests and reading too much into the results. It's futile and won't make any difference to the outcome.

Is there any particular reason why you think you've miscarried other than the faint test? I've had a couple of bleeds and daily spotting for over three weeks but had a good scan with a healthy baby and a heartbeat last week. I'm still scared but also reassured. Bad feelings and bad signs don't always lead to a bad outcome.

But cry all you need to and feel free to rant on here at any time. We are all with you thanks

PresidentSpreadable Mon 28-Apr-14 16:21:51

George so sorry that you are having problems coping with being pregnant again. I felt exactly the same as you, really convinced that nothing was happening and that I was going to have a scan and hear the dreaded 'I'm sorry there's no heartbeat' again. I just wanted it over as soon as possible so that I could get back to normal life and put it all behind me.

I feel guilty because, although I did see an hb on Friday at 7+4, I only felt relieved for about a nanosecond, and now I feel the same again. I'm convinced that there is zero chance of this pregnancy resulting in a baby.

I'm sorry I can't be more helpful, but I just wanted you to know that you're not alone in feeling this way. I think your GP sounds staggeringly insensitive, and I would be changing surgery in your position.

I do hope that everything progresses positively.

PresidentSpreadable Mon 28-Apr-14 16:25:46

Oh and Penguin I'm also dreading the tube strikes. Not normally an issue as I usually cycle, but am just too damn tired at the moment to even contemplate a 9 mile ride first thing in the morning with loads more traffic. I'm reckoning on leaving an hour earlier than usual and hoping for the best.

I will also invoke the stupid 'baby on board' badge if I absolutely have to.

Penguin13 Mon 28-Apr-14 16:32:58

George welcome you're in just the right place for some hand-holding by people who have been there. I'm so sorry you are having such a tough time. There is no doubt that pregnancy after mc can be stressful and emotionally draining. It has been for me at points and I have only had one mc.

Your Dr surgery doesn't sound great. Sadly I think all too many doctors just don't have adequate training in this area but you should as a bare minimum be able to expect compassion and understanding.

I think you are right that you need to step away from the tests for now. You know that non-fmu results are not as reliable and hpts can only tell you so much anyway.

You have a plan in place, to call the EPU in two weeks time. I know the waiting and uncertainty is awful but you're welcome to sit it out with all of us ladies here sitting on our hands and willing the days to pass. Big hugs to you.

CallingAllEngels Mon 28-Apr-14 17:21:41

george sorry to hear about your fears and the horrible past experiences. It really doesn't help when you feel that hcps are unsympathetic. Definitely room for anyone with worries here. x

have told parents, ils, my dsis, dbro and bil now and that's it (except for bil and sil) until we have our scan. These are my danger weeks though, both mcs at 5/6 weeks pg so fx I can get through the next 2 weeks.

AnnieHoo Mon 28-Apr-14 18:21:33

Hi George
Sorry you're finding it hard to cope, we've all been through it. It's crap.

It sounds like you've had some bad experiences from ignorant GP and other HCP's.

2 weeks is a long time to put yourself through this and not know what's happening... How do you feel about phoning your EPU, explaining your situation and just seeing what they say? They might ask you in for an early scan or do a blood test to check your HGC levels. Things can either move v fast or quite slow so it could take 2 weeks for them to organise a scan by that time you'll be 7-8 weeks... but understand if you can't face it at all and want to wait and see what happens.

Do you have any slight symptoms at all like sore boobs?
Like cakes said - step away from the tests!

Sending big hugs xxx

Penguin13 Mon 28-Apr-14 18:30:01

Annie I actually told a few people straight away which has helped keep me sane. I have told (aside from DH) my SIL/BIL, 3 people at work who knew about mc and two close friends, one of whom is ttc. Wouldn't have felt right pretending that I'm still ttc and in the same boat. It seems like a lot written down but these are the people who helped me through last time. I actually found it harder that barely anyone knew last time and when I needed to talk about it I found myself having the bad news conversation when they hadn't known about the good. I think it does you good to share things sometimes.

President I know how you feel but a heartbeat at 7 and a half weeks means your baby has great odds. I know that up till at least 12 weeks, and even beyond, none of us will truly be able to believe that this will be the baby we get to meet but baby president has a fighting chance. I am impressed that you usually manage so much cycling when not upduffed. Good luck with the buses tomorrow. I am totally invoking the BOB badge if it comes to it. I'm ashamed to say I have already made use of it once when I had a stonking headache and felt quite faint even though I felt like a total fraud blush

Cakes how lovely for people to be getting excited for you. It is exciting! Admittedly terrifying, but definitely exciting too grin

Paranoid I'm glad it's not just me who is constantly hungry, I've lost count of the times I've idly wondered if I'm carrying a baby or a tapeworm --along with the times I've wondered if it's just psychosomatic and I'm eating my feelings-'

ParanoidCoventGarden75 Mon 28-Apr-14 19:13:03

george sorry to hear about your previous losses, i could have written the bit where you describe not coping, and i can also relate to trying to process bad news before they have actually happened, just to be ready. Have you thought of having some counselling with someone experienced in mc? I saw an amazing lady at my local hospital, and she did help me a lot. What you are going through is unfortunately very common after mc/mmc.
Also, some EPU have some 'walk in' scan although the wait can be half a day. Maybe worth checking if it's available in your area.
I'm having the long awaited and dreaded 8 week scan on wednesday, ready for the next limbo land to start, either another 4 week wait, or when and can I go through another IVF/ICSI. Sending you and all the other ladies here a big hug.
ohhh, and penguin, thanks for the tapeworm image, that made me laugh, after eating another steak, which i have NEVER liked before

George2014 Mon 28-Apr-14 19:30:00

Thanks for the lovely messages.

Just after I posted my message I started spotting pinky/brown and getting AF cramps. I've had some nausea and sore boobs but they have been diminishing over last few days so I know what's coming.

The worst bit was having to tell dh again...seeing his face fall, I think he genuinely thought this time would be ok.

In a way, it's a relief that there's no waiting for tests / scans etc and I hope it's over with quickly.

Now I need to start getting used to life as a 3. It's also a relief that we aren't going down the TTC road again but it's going to take some time to accept that all the baby things I did with ds aren't ever going to happen again and I'll never change another nappy, wash little babygros, cuddle a newborn. I didn't enjoy babyhood with ds (he was a difficult baby) and I really regret that now. If I knew it was my only time I would of clung to it and never let go.

Penguin13 Mon 28-Apr-14 21:49:21

Oh George I'm so sorry sad I hope that you aren't physically in too much pain and that you have lots of RL support. Take care of yourself.

DrFunkesFamilyBandSolution Mon 28-Apr-14 22:01:45

So so sorry George. Hope you and DH are having lots of hugs. X
I get what you mean about it being a relief to be over ttc (this is my last pg either way, hopefully lucky no7, 2ds) so best of luck to you in the future. Anything we can do, let us know x

Penguin13 Tue 29-Apr-14 06:07:37

Well here I am off to London to do battle with the transport gods. Quite glad I don't usually have to get this train. I am armed with my trusty baby on board badge which I feel so self-conscious wearing but keep trying to remind myself it's not for me, it's for my baby. Wearing my scarf long over my tummy so I don't get too many accusatory looks for not yet having the requisite bump!

Penguin13 Tue 29-Apr-14 06:17:55

Chickened out and took my badge off again as I'm feeling pretty ok today so felt like I was abusing the badge!

Sollers Tue 29-Apr-14 08:53:20

Lol, Penguin I don't think you'd be "abusing the badge" if you genuinely felt you needed it. You are actually pregnant after all. grin Glad you're feeling ok though. I hope you managed to make it into work alright.

George thinking of you. I'm sorry you're going through this.

I'm away with work at the moment, and it's actually nice to be forced to focus on other things for a while. I needed distracting.

melody1979 Tue 29-Apr-14 09:20:54

Hello ladies,
Hope it's OK for me to join this thread. I have just joined MN, because I was becoming INSANE of not being able to talk to people able to understand what I am going through. I have just read this whole thread in one go (thanks Penguin for starting it!), and I can so relate to most of you! I feel like I could have written half of the posts here!
So here's my story: I have one 3 years old DD, and got a MMC last November. It was discovered at my first scan (13 weeks), but the baby measured only 6 weeks with no heartbeat, which means it was dead inside me for about 6 weeks! The worst thing is that even the baby was dead, I still had all the symptoms, including terrible nauseas all day long until about 11 weeks when it started fading away, and no bleeding. So I wasn't worried at all. It was a real shock to be told that baby was dead at my first scan, because I wasn't expecting it at all.
Now I am about 6-7 weeks PG again. This time I am freaking out all the time, especially because I have no symptoms whatsoever (except for the sore boobs, on and off).
Because of the total absence of symptoms, I was pretty sure I had another MMC. I couldn't bare not knowing so decided to go on an early private scan last saturday. It was good and bad news. Good news was there was a strong heartbeat (I wasn't expecting to see a heartbeat), bad news is, the embryo was small (about a week behind) and yolk sac too big. I didn't even know what the yolk sac was before Saturday. I asked the lady what that meant, she was very vague. She told me it can be nothing or it can be bad, it's too early to say. Of course, first thing I did when I got back home was googling "large yolk sac", which was a huge error because now I am really terrified. Apparently, an enlarged yolk sac increases greatly the probability of miscarriage or chromosomic abnormalities in the baby. I have also read loads of happy ending stories with enlarged yolk sac, and I am trying to convince myself that I will be one of those, but my emotions are like a roller-coaster: one minute, I am strong, optimistic and positive and I believe everything will be fine, and the yolk sac thing is nothing, and the next minute, I want to cry because I believe my baby must already be dead inside me. This scan was supposed to be for reassurance, not to make me even more worried!
I think I will go again for a private scan in about 2 weeks time, if nothing happens before that. I can't imagine myself waiting until the 12weeks scan (especially because I know my body is not very good at miscarrying naturally...).
Sorry for the long post, I really needed to talk to people who would understand how agonising this wait is, and how difficult it is "not to worry".
I wish you all the best in all your pregnancies, and I so understand what you are all going through!

Penguin13 Tue 29-Apr-14 09:22:51

Strike schmike. Made it into work 1 minute early. I was so lucky as I walked one stop to get on the bus where it starts and I was the only one on it till the next stop where it got rammed. Felt pret-ty smug let me tell you! The reverse journey won't be quite so much fun as I can't get on at the start of the route but I can take my time a bit more.

Definitely good to have a distraction from thinking about everything Sollers hope you get to stay in a lovely hotel with comfy bed!

PresidentSpreadable Tue 29-Apr-14 09:40:06

I had quite a good commute too Penguin. I mean, it took 1h 45m, instead of the usual 35 mins, but I had an empty overground into Liverpool St, then a bus turned up the minute I got to the bus stop and I got a seat, and then when the traffic finally gridlocked at the Imperial War Museum, I just got off and walked the rest of the way which took about 15 mins and gave me a bit of exercise. Had left very early, so was only 10 mins late.

Welcome melody, you've come to the right place. George, so sorry that it's not working out.

ParanoidCoventGarden75 Tue 29-Apr-14 09:42:33

Welcome melody and sorry you're finding yourself in a position to join limbo land group. We all understand where you're coming from, and I hope sharing your story helped to release the fear a little bit. Fx all goes well for you this time.

penguin well done for making it, and on time!

I can't concentrate at work.

Penguin13 Tue 29-Apr-14 10:27:00

Glad you had a good journey President hope the return is similarly uneventful. I used to live in Stratford and work by Liverpool street so I remember those days of a 35 minute commute door to door fondly! Now we live in Bucks so my commute is 2 hours each way. Hoping to work a bit closer to home if when baby penguin arrives.

Paranoid I know how you feel. Whatever I am doing, in the back of my mind and often the front of it I am constantly thinking about the next scan. Only 2 days 9 hours to go but who's counting?

PresidentSpreadable Tue 29-Apr-14 10:32:16

Lawks Penguin, two hours?! Still, I bet Bucks is lovely. Our nearest tube is Seven Sisters so I always get a seat which is nice, and it's straight down to Vauxhall, where I work. Couldn't ask for an easier commute really. Still rather be on the bike though, I think not cycling is definitely contributing to my gloom. I miss feeling strong and in control, a lot! I'm sure I'll get it back eventually, but the next few months are going to be hard.

Penguin13 Tue 29-Apr-14 10:35:47

Melody welcome. I'm so sorry you're stuck in limbo land, it's a horrible place to be. Re trying not to worry, if one more person tells me me 'you can't change anything by worrying' or my personal guilt-inducing favourite 'worrying isn't good for your baby or for you' I seriously am going to give them a slap. Worrying isn't that easy to control, the best we can do is try to manage our fears and get through one day at a time.

CallingAllEngels Tue 29-Apr-14 10:40:06

melody welcome.

I'm on Half term here (not in UK) and have stacks of things to do both in the house and school work but cannot be bothered with housework and certainly can't concentrate enough to do marking. Just MNing instead!

regularbutpanickingabit Tue 29-Apr-14 11:00:48

Hello, please can I join you? Have posted in the over 40s but lots of happy first timers and I don't want to bring them down with my worries!

I have had 6 m/c, most mmc and mostly between 5 and 10 weeks. I am also very lucky to have 2 fab kids.

We always wanted a bigger family but for obvious reasons thought that was never happening and had made peace with that.

Then I found out I was pg a couple of weeks ago and we have been flummoxed ever since! My two kids are soon moving on from primary school so this is very unexpected.

I have lots of complications that need drugs following various multiple miscarriage tests and so I am now on progesterone and asprin and waiting to find out whether i need to inject heparin as I did in my last pg.

As a new thing, i now have high blood pressure so am taking tablets for that. I had spotting on thursday and a scan on fri (6+4) where amazingly we saw a heartbeat. However, I snuck a look at the gp letter that I had to drop to the surgery today and it said measuring 5+3. So now I am freaking out that the dates are out so much and that I got a heartbeat that early OR that the heartbeat is good and this is just slow grower or something else awful.

Had a sarky conversation back from the consultant's secretary but finally secured an appointment with her next Tuesday. She may or may not scan me again at that point but I will be very glad to be in to see her!

So I could be 7+1 or 6 weeks but so far with a heartbeat. Not throwing up yet and I usually do so that freaks me out as well.

melody1979 Tue 29-Apr-14 11:16:15

Thanks for the welcoming! It might sound incredible but I already feel much better and less stressed after posting my story here. It's incredible how liberating it is to just being able to word ones own fears and feelings. My close friends and family, although full of good intentions, haven't been very good at helping me through this journey. I felt very lonely and not understood until I found that so many of us are going through similar experiences. So thanks for being here and for the support.

I too am unable to concentrate on my work, and find myself procrastinating most of the time... blush

melody1979 Tue 29-Apr-14 11:25:51

hello regularbutpanicking. I know many cases of early slow grower that catched up later and were perfectly fine. But I completely understand that after a history of 6m/c, it's impossible not to think about something being wrong. I do that and only had one m/c. Just try to concentrate on the heartbeat and live one day at a time until next Tuesday.
I am also usually throwing up at this stage, and I am not this time, which freaks me out the same as you. Let's try to be grateful to feel good this time, they say each PG is different. Last time I was throwing up but had a MMC anyway, so there's no rule!

regularbutpanickingabit Tue 29-Apr-14 11:29:16

True! I also know that once I start throwing up I will wish I wasn't! Good luck with your pg and I hope it all goes well.

ParanoidCoventGarden75 Tue 29-Apr-14 11:48:19

Welcome regular, so sorry to hear of all your previous losses. I'm also on heavy meds, progesterone, aspirin, fragmin with their fucking blunt neddles and oestrogen.
melody you are so right about every pg being different, there is just agonising wait and no rules whyyyyy????
Being a stats addict, I noticed that this group is getting quite big. How would you all feel about a stats page like for the 'normal' dec thread?

CallingAllEngels Tue 29-Apr-14 11:55:31

Welcome regular. Understandable that you feel worried and anxious.

Good idea paranoid . Maybe an extra column for pg/mc history (that sounds awful, but ykwim?). There are so many of who've had losses, it makes me sad but also glad I have others to go through this experience with. I actually get quite jealous of people who can go through a pg without worrying about blush

Penguin13 Tue 29-Apr-14 12:56:24

Hi and welcome Regular. I'm sorry for all your previous losses, no wonder you are understandably nervous. I don't know much about measuring behind I'm afraid but having seen the heartbeat is a good, positive sign.

I am definitely in the SO glad I don't have MS camp. I know it's supposedly a good sign but I think going on family history and my last pg no sickness and only a little queasiness is normal for me.

Pulling the stats together sounds like a great idea but I confess that is way beyond my technical know how. Anyone know how to do it?

I am not having a very good food day. I just scoffed a massive ham and jarslberg white baguette. Blorp. This would be less bad had it not been preceeded by a big cookie, a small yoghurt and a massive blueberry muffin blush Normally I'm quite good at picking healthy snacks to balance out the sheer volume I need to consume but not today! The afternoon's offerings are a satsuma, a banana and another small yoghurt. I need to get a grip as I have clearly consumed about a million times the daily caloric needs of my raspberry sized embryo!

ParanoidCoventGarden75 Tue 29-Apr-14 13:10:07

engels ikwym, it's difficult to talk about it as it's such a taboo and yet, it's good to be able to get it out. I don't know how I'll cope without this group.

I've just received a little jewellery token to remember my lost baby by. EDD would have been about now.

penguin I've just devored a disgusting pizza from Tesco blush and still hungry shock

I'll get to making the spreadsheet tonight, too fiddly on phone and can bring myself to use work PC for that. Let me know of any idea / special field requests.

Need to do some work, can someone please confiscate my phone?

ParanoidCoventGarden75 Tue 29-Apr-14 13:12:33

* CAN'T bring myself ..

AnnieHoo Tue 29-Apr-14 13:23:33

Welcome Regular

Penguin I was just getting distracted (for millionth time today) thinking "should i be feeling sick right now?" and then i read the words in your post "baguette" and "blorp" and there it is.. QUEASE.

CakesALot Tue 29-Apr-14 13:24:38

What a lovely way to remember the baby paranoid. I've marked what would've been the due date in my calendar with a note saying 'do something nice'. Thought I'd see how I felt at the time but definitely wanted to mark it someway.

Ladies I envy your hunger. I'm the opposite and just don't fancy anything. I'm eating because I know I need to but it all tastes meh sad food is usually my life!

Welcome regular and melody. You've come to the right place.

Stats list is a good idea. Well volunteered paranoid!

Sollers Tue 29-Apr-14 14:23:55

More new faces! Welcome Melody and Regular.

Annie, I was talking to my mother about my lack of morning sickness/nausea last night (my parents are the only people I've told as of yet) and she told me that she didn't get any morning sickness with three of her four children (2 girls, 2 boys). So that cheered me up a bit.

I must go have a look at the stats list in the regular thread. I haven't quite dared to go in there yet. BUt, yes, sounds like a good idea, Paranoid

DrFunkesFamilyBandSolution Tue 29-Apr-14 14:40:53

Welcome melody, hope the next scan is more reassuring.
Welcome Regular!

Paranoid, that's a lovely way to remember your lost one. Yes to stats! I love a list grin

Scan is thursday, bricking it already.

Penguin13 Tue 29-Apr-14 15:09:18

Argh! Clearly I am wearing a deeply unflattering outfit as a colleague who doesn't know just pointed at my stomach and said 'oh is that good news?' I just mumbled something about a food baby. Seriously though! Who does that??! Ru-ude!

melody1979 Tue 29-Apr-14 15:12:22

Paranoid, I like the idea of stats page! Have you managed to do some work? Because I haven't! blush

CakesALot Tue 29-Apr-14 15:15:36

blush Penguin! That's soooo rude!! I would never say something like that to anyone??!! Some people!

Melody-I've done pretty much sweet fa today as well wink just concentrating on keeping my eyes open!

CallingAllEngels Tue 29-Apr-14 15:17:23

How fucking rude penguin !

I have had a very successful afternoon watched 3 episodes of Poirot

PresidentSpreadable Tue 29-Apr-14 15:40:34

Also managed to do absolutely bugger all today, so very tired, and dreading the trek home. MrPres better be on cooking duty this evening, I really can't manage it.

PresidentSpreadable Tue 29-Apr-14 15:41:33

Also, Penguin I am shock at your colleague, so presumptuous!

AnnieHoo Tue 29-Apr-14 15:44:24

Oh Penguin what a cheeky mare!!! Looks like you don't need the BOB badge after all wink

That happened to me a few months ago I was at a work conference sitting at a big round table and a colleague grinned and said right across the table "how long have you got?".

It was a tunic! I will never wear a tunic again.

I was v hormonal on fertility treatment at the time so nearly cried.

ParanoidCoventGarden75 Tue 29-Apr-14 16:04:07

melody I'm struggling today, one yet on mn on phone, one eye on PC trying to catch up with work before holidays.

penguin slap her for me, will you

Good luck for the return home tube ladies

PresidentSpreadable Tue 29-Apr-14 16:07:36

Ha, a few years ago another woman on the tube demanded that I be allowed to sit down as she thought I was pregnant. In her defence I was wearing an empire line tunic, and am a bit of a chubster.

However, the reason I was swaying and looking a bit green was because I'd been out on the lash after work. I had to sit down and look maternal, rather than pissed, for the rest of the journey whilst she gave me encouraging smiles. Argh.

Penguin13 Tue 29-Apr-14 16:52:15

Thanks for making me smile ladies. Maybe she just noticed my recently fabulous rack and put two and two together hmm I'm actually less concerned about the fact that I clearly look podgy and more outraged that someone would think it was ok to say that. I want to tell people at the time I choose and in the way I choose thanks very much.

President that is priceless grin poor well meaning woman. For me it's usually an empire line and terrible posture that gives me that quasi-preggo look but today the culprit is a relatively fitted T shortly to be consigned to the dust rag bucket and a big baguette food baby.

Sollers Tue 29-Apr-14 17:03:35

I had a pylori h infection for a few years and it made my stomach swell up. The amount of people that asked me if I was pregnant was unbelievable. In fairness, I did look pregnant, but don't ask, FFS!

However, I did a bad thing recently. My male neighbour recently told us that his partner was pregnant again. I was all "yay, I thought she looked a bit pregnant the last time I saw her". He then told us that they were waiting for the 12-week scan before celebrating/announcing it officially. So obviously she's too early to be showing yet and I just called his partner a blimp. blushblushblush

ParanoidCoventGarden75 Tue 29-Apr-14 17:32:47

I went home early.
Here's a first stab at the stats doc, DecAfterMCStats and we can work on it further later.

Dottydadoo Tue 29-Apr-14 20:03:16

thanks for setting up the stats Paranoid! This thread has moved so fast, it's hard to keep up with everyone's situations which are all so different.

So sorry for those who have had bad news in the last few days.

I am also with those struggling to concentrate on work - my first week back after hols and I'm soooo tired. I have absolutely no sickness though which is convincing me that something is wrong - it's exactly what happened with my last miscarriage and as I get very sick with my healthy pregnancies, it's a sure sign for me.

I especially identify with your sitaution Melody - I'm also in limbo land but when I scanned last week, it was apparently too early for a heart beat (so my dates are out or the baby isn't growing). I'm waiting for a scan to be confirmed at my EPU but nothing yet. I do have another private scan booked on Saturday when I will be 7 weeks but I'm hoping the EPU will get in there beforehand - all this expense adds up!! I feel quite let down by NHS to be honest and I had low expectations this time round because of my experiences last Dec.

Penguin13 Wed 30-Apr-14 07:37:16

Hey Dotty. I hope you hear from your EPU soon. Did they tell you when they would call and let you know about the scan? It's so frustrating that there is no set standard of what care you can expect when pg after mc, somehow it would make it easier than relying on the kindness/efficiency of individual staff.

melody1979 Wed 30-Apr-14 07:59:09

Hello ladies,

Hope everybody got a good night's sleep.

Thanks Paranoid for setting up the spreadsheet! CoventGarden, I have seen on the stats doc that you have your scan today. You must be so nervous. Best of luck!!

Dotty, really hope you get to hear soon from your EPU. I was also very disappointed in the past by the NHS and felt let down. Hope this time will be better, but with all the cuts they have been going through, I very much doubt it...

I have booked an appointment with my GP for Friday morning. I am not really sure why I have booked it and what I am expecting to get out of this appointment. Maybe I just want some reassurance, or some professional opinion, in order not to rely only on what I have read on Google about the enlarged yolk sac. The thing is anxiety is killing me, I feel great physically in this pregnancy (a bit too great not to worry, all my symptoms are gone), but emotionally I am a complete mess. I am not coping well at all with the stress of not knowing what is going to happen. I am also hoping that my GP will be able to get me a NHS scan. Does any of you know whether GPs have any influence in getting a scan at the EPU? I tried to self-refer but it didn't work (I was told they only do early scans for previous ectopic PG but not for previous MC).

Anyway, I will try to actually get some work done today (not like yesterday), hoping that this will keep my mind a bit occupied...

Penguin13 Wed 30-Apr-14 09:20:54

Melody this site may help you www.earlypregnancy.org.uk/FindUsMap.asp
It has a section where you can search for EPU by area and most of them say how you can be referred ie. Self/GP/midwife. I'��m not sure how up to date the info is but it's a good starting point and easy to find a contact number for your nearest unit. I think most places would take a GP referral . At the very least your appointment should be an opportunity to talk through your concerns and ask some questions but I hope you get a scan appointment out of it.

Sollers Wed 30-Apr-14 09:21:54

The very best of luck Covent for today's scan!

melody I have no advice I'm afraid as I'm not in the UK, but I'm sorry you're feeling so anxious. I found that forcing myself to concentrate on work is some help. I hope your GP visit on Friday is useful.

Thanks for the stats page, Paranoid!

And good luck for your scan tomorrow President. I won't be around for a while, but I'll keep everything crossed for you ladies.

My sister is coming over for a visit tomorrow so I'm going to have to tell her, although I would have preferred to wait until after my scan. She'll wonder why I'm not drinking vast amounts of wine as usual though.

FranksBobot Wed 30-Apr-14 09:24:15

Morning Peeps!

I'm back! Move went well and our internet was connected this morning.
I've now registered at docs and have been given the number for community midwives but despite leaving 2 messages no one has bothered to call me back yet angry
Still no idea of dates but my boobs have turned into massive bowling balls of pain and i'm suffering terrible nausea so i'm hoping these are good signs! I had to have a pregnancy test at the docs when i registered and the test line came up good and strong before the control line, considering it was 5:30pm and I had to force a wee out I'm taking comfort in the fact it came up so quick. (I know it probably means nothing though)

Good Luck at your scan today Covent

melody1979 Wed 30-Apr-14 09:32:50

Hi Penguin,
Very useful link, thanks!! You are right, my nearest EPU should take a GP referral, so let's hope I can convince mine that I need a scan.

Penguin13 Wed 30-Apr-14 09:39:51

Good luck today Covent I'll be thinking of you. What time's the scan? Crossing everything for a good outcome.

PresidentSpreadable Wed 30-Apr-14 10:11:05

melody I broke down in front of my GP and he contacted my local EPU on my behalf and got me an appointment for a scan, I saw him the Thursday before Easter and had to wait until the following Friday though.

Last time I just walked into the EPU at UCLH first thing in the morning and was scanned within the hour. I've been very fortunate and can't fault the care I've had from the NHS so far, I feel very grateful.

Good luck today with the scan Covent!

StrawbsAndCream Wed 30-Apr-14 10:35:44

Morning everyone, sorry I went AWOL for a few days!

So sorry to hear of those with bad news, sad fingers crossed you'll be back here in no time. X

And Hi to all the new faces.. I'm no longer the newest!

Thanks for the stats Paranoid.. Good work! I love a good list!
Have added myself on.. Sorry I took up a bit of space..and I realised I'm the youngest and the furthest away from you all!

Good luck for the scan today Covent ,will be thinking of you.

melody your gp really should refer you because of previous mc but I know some are difficult! Luckily I knew mine so he referred me there and then. Explain how worried and anxious you are, it is so awful waiting for a next scan. (maybe force a tear out too for effectiveness wink) Hope it goes well.

As for me, I had a second scan yesterday morning as I was still spotting brown and felt a bit achey which really freaked me out. Phoned epau on Monday afternoon and spoke to the same lady who told me to come in the next morning, she is so so lovely.. I'll buy her a box of chocs next time I think!

So scan went really well to our relief.. That wait while they are looking is torturous! I measured at 6+2 last Thursday and measured 7+3 yesterday! So an extra 3 days. The sonographer said the dates can be out until 12 weeks anyway. But baby definitely looked bigger and we could clearly see the heart beating away. She could also say where the brown spotting was coming from, there was a cm of implantation bleed that she could see, so not to worry about it. It has stopped for now so fingers crossed.

I do feel a bit relieved for now.. But the baby died at around 8.5 weeks at my mmc so once I get passed that I'll feel better. The lady said I can ring and book another one whenever I want..so I'm thinking around 9 weeks. Although that will only be about 5 days before our wedding, and what if it's bad news and I have to have another erpc?! Oh I don't know, I need to think more positively!

Anyway enough rambling on about me. How is everyone else today?

Hope you're feeling ok dotty and your scan date comes through soon.

regularbutpanickingabit Wed 30-Apr-14 12:22:05

Thanks for the spreadsheet, have updated my details. Congrats on the scan Strawbs!

Feeling nauseous but not thrown up yet. Sure i did by this time in previous pregnancies. Feeling paranod at the moment. Going to see the consultant on Tuesday after a battle with the battleaxe secretary who had chosen to ignore the referral letter from my GP because she thought I should book in with the midwife at 12 weeks before being allowed to see the consultant. Despite my history and despite express instructions from the GP and consultant that said otherwise. Grrrrr.

Anyway, fingers crossed I also get a scan by the consultant at that appt. If I don't, I am going to beg for an EPAU referral.

CakesALot Wed 30-Apr-14 13:12:40

Great news on the scan strawbs. I know it's not easy to switch off the anxiety but thats a huge step in the right direction.

I hope you get your scan regular. And angry at the stupid secretary!

I've added my stats too. Looks like I have a couple of due date buddies penguin and melody!

I'm still spotting a little bit but trying not to worry as the nurse and sonographer at the epu weren't concerned at all. And considering I had actual proper bleeds before, I'd say the situation has improved! Oh how I wish I could bring back even a touch of the naïveté I felt the first time I was pregnant!

Penguin13 Wed 30-Apr-14 14:49:24

Strawbs fantastic news on the scan - it's looking really, really positive for you and your little strawberry pip smile Really great that you have had such a positive experience with your EPU as it's not always the case.

ParanoidCoventGarden75 Wed 30-Apr-14 16:03:09

Thanks for all the lovely messages, I'm very touched. Well you're stuck with me for a bit longer, we saw a HB smile, still in shock. I'm starving, having lunch with DP, he says hi. Will catch up better with you later xxx

CakesALot Wed 30-Apr-14 16:25:12

Lovely news! smile

FranksBobot Wed 30-Apr-14 16:47:23

Excellent news Strawbs and Covent grin

melody1979 Wed 30-Apr-14 17:02:56

Great news Straws and CoventGarden!!
I hope we can all share good news like you!
Penguin and DrFunke, I believe you are next with your scans tomorrow! Best of luck to both of you, fx!!

Penguin13 Wed 30-Apr-14 17:16:25

Excellent news Covent, so happy for you! Hopefully the great news has started to sink in for you.

Yup. My scan's not till 7pm as it's a private one and didn't want to take more time off than necessary. I forsee a long day ahead. What time is yours Funkes?

DrFunkesFamilyBandSolution Wed 30-Apr-14 17:52:32

Great news Strawbs & Covent!!

Ooh, god that's a long wait penguin, mine is 10.30, not feeling very positive (my pubis/general region is really soft, which usually means a mc for me) so tonight will drag.
Had a massive craving for chicken Casear salad last night, could taste it and everything!

Thanks for the luck melody x

Cakes, that's the worst part! Losing the innocence of pg without mc's, so glad so many on the 'normal' Dec thread are so positive they're looking at prams etc but that will never be me. and that sucks!

Does anyone else have that little voice, that whenever you rant about how crap you feel says <well at least you're still pregnant, shut up about it>. Grrrh!

AnnieHoo Wed 30-Apr-14 18:21:26

Brilliant news Strawbs and CoventG! cakecakecake smile smile

StrawbsAndCream Wed 30-Apr-14 18:36:28

Thanks everyone, I know I've said it before but it's so nice to be able to talk to you all in the same boat!

.. And Covent!! Yay!!! Brilliant news! grin so pleased for you.

Good luck for tomorrow penguin.. Definitely a long day ahead tomorrow but hopefully (or not) you'll be busy and it will fly past!

Good luck for tomorrow as well DrFunkes positive thinking! Feeling crap is a good sign though, I do exactly the same.. I've felt quite sick today but not actually been sick yet, which is a good sign hopefully as I didn't feel sick at all with my first pregnancy. I'm finding myself thinking 'woohoo I feel sick!' Don't we all turn into a lovely bunch of psychos?!

Has anyone else felt very emotional? the other day I was sitting in the car outside Sainsbury's, people watching while the other half was inside, an old man pulled up and jumped out of his car..ran quickly in to the shop, came out a few minutes later running with a pack of mince in his hand and I just thought that is so lovely, he must be getting those really quickly for his wife who's cooking at home and needs them right now..I got really teary and had to choke back the tears.. blush Oh dear!!

ParanoidCoventGarden75 Wed 30-Apr-14 18:42:05

Great news Strawbs smile

Good luck for tomorrow drFunke and penguin i'll be thinking of you while travelling to France. sollers where are you?

Sorry to hear some of you having trouble with GPs and getting scan, it sucks when you already have gone through enough as it is.

I went and shared the HB news with a nurse who's always been so helpful and she offered to try and get us another scan in a couple of weeks, for reassurance, she is so lovely, I have to say the entire team have been amazing. I'm very grateful. It still feels unreal though, as I have no obvious symptom.

basgetti Wed 30-Apr-14 18:53:59

Hi all. Great news Strawbs and Covent, good luck tomorrow drFunke.

I'm 7 weeks today and now totally symptom free, the same as when I had my MMC. (When I had DS I suffered hyperemisis from day one). I saw GP yesterday and he said there is no need for an early scan, and I have booking in appt with midwife next week. I feel really deflated and like I'm just going through the motions waiting for the inevitable to happen. I have to go and spend an hour with the midwife again, get bloods taken, have a GTT at 10 weeks. I wish I could just have a scan to see if things are progressing first. Last time I thought I was pregnant until bleeding at 13 weeks and found out the baby had stopped growing at 8.5 weeks. Does anyone know if the midwife has the power to refer for an early scan and if it is likely she would do this for me? Feel a bit in limbo right now.x

ParanoidCoventGarden75 Wed 30-Apr-14 20:08:02

basgetti sorry you feel so down sad
i don't have much experience but some epu just have a walk in service, where if you are prepare to wait, they will scan you, maybe check if there is one available in your area. Big hug

Penguin13 Wed 30-Apr-14 20:19:44

Basgetti I'm sorry you're feeling stuck in limbo. Your midwife would almost certainly be able to refer you for an early scan and I hope she does. There may be criteria for which she can and can't refer though. Commonly they would be able to refer for bleeding or pain but depending on your area anxiety on your part following an mc would also be a reason though it's less usually accepted. Is there any way you could stretch to a private scan if she doesn't? I know the feeling that you are just waiting to confirm things have gone wrong and it's awful, I really feel for you. I really hope it's just that every pregnancy is different.

basgetti Wed 30-Apr-14 20:20:16

Thanks Covent, I didn't know it was possible to walk in. I'll give them a ring tomorrow to find out, if its not possible I will call the midwives and find out if they can refer. I just want putting out of my misery!

basgetti Wed 30-Apr-14 20:29:06

Thanks Penguin, I was considering a private scan but our oven broke 2 days ago so things are a bit tight due to that unexpected cost! It might be worth the stretch though just for my peace of mind. Yes my GP said every pregnancy is different and I'm hoping thats the case. But when I saw a different GP for my last pregnancy I was joking that I'm relieved not to be sick this time, and he said it might be a sign that things aren't progressing well. He's always a bit miserable and I always avoid seeing him if I can, but it turns out he was right and his words have stayed with me.

Dottydadoo Wed 30-Apr-14 22:07:27

Congratulations to Strawbs and Covent, fab news. Hope that you can relax a tiny bit now! And very good luck to DrFunke and Penguin for tomorrow. I hope that you'll be updating us with good news soon!

Well after some chasing this morning, I've got a scan booked on Friday morning at last. I'll be 7w 6days by my dates but 6w 6days by my early scan dates last week. I'm not very hopeful at all as like basgetti I don't have any sickness despite having hyperemisis with both previous healthy pregnancies - to be honest, I'm preparing myself for the worst, already planning how I can arrange for things to be sorted out next week and what I'm going to tell work. I am quite tearful at the thought of confirming what I think I know.

basgetti, one thing I've found is that the more fuss you make, the more you are likely to be taken seriously for a scan. I had a private one last week and when I went to my GP with the scan report, she was all for saying that it was best to wait to 12 weeks when more can be seen. After my experiences with my first miscarriage, there was no way I was going to accept that - can you imagine waiting 7 weeks of not knowing?? torture! So she compromised that she would make the referral and the EPU would make the decision. After that, it seems to have been a case of just agreeing an appointment time. The standards seem to vary dramatically from one GP to another - it seems that your GP has made the decision based on the physical evidence of miscarriage but what about your emotional wellbeing? I know that midwives can also refer. Fx for you xx

Penguin13 Wed 30-Apr-14 22:35:39

Dotty I'm really glad you have a date sorted for your scan. I hope so much that it is not the bad news you are expecting.

I hate that healthcare in this country seems to depend so much on luck the individual care provider and on the patient being able to push for what they need. Typically it's those who are least able to do the pushing that are the most vulnerable and consequently the least likely to get good care. Sorry I digress slightly I've just been thinking about how it would be easier if we knew what to expect when it came to ante-natal care following a previous miscarriage and I slightly wandered off the path!

AnnieHoo Wed 30-Apr-14 22:40:18

Oh god. I just went to loo and had some yellow discharge with pink tinge. And then just pinky yellow watery stuff. Please don't let this be the start of mc. Exactly the time I had last one 8wks 4 days. Trying not to get too upset.

Sollers Thu 01-May-14 06:28:16

Annie, might it just be vaginal discharge? I've read that tjat can increase in pregnancy. How are things this morning love?

Covent, i'm inthe languedoc. Where are you heading too?

ParanoidCoventGarden75 Thu 01-May-14 06:43:26

Oh Annie, sorry to hear, I hope you manage to get some sleep. Are you going to the doc today?

sollers I'm off to Montpellier smile, ready to jump on Eurostar.

xkatxdollx Thu 01-May-14 06:51:51

wish me luck guys when I was 5w3d my hcg was 1250 and when I was 6w2d it was 5832 so it's doubling every 65 hours do you think those numbers are ok I know it's in range I'm just so nervous I have an ultra sound tomorrow 6w4d I'm just so worried I'm gonna have bad news

Penguin13 Thu 01-May-14 07:36:38

Annie that must be scary. I would call your nearest EPU for some advice asap. Hope you get some reassurance.

Have fun in Montpellier Paranoid. Hopefully you will have a lovely relaxed time. How tragic to have to avoid all the delicious soft french cheeses though!

Hope you're managing to stay calm DrFunke good luck today, we'll be thinking of you.

XKat I'm afraid I don't know much about HCG levels but being within normal range is a positive sign. Good luck for your scan tomorrow.

FranksBobot Thu 01-May-14 08:25:16

Annie how are you today? Have you contacted epu? As someone mentioned earlier is it possibly just discharge?
I hope you managed to get some sleep last night.

xkat I don't know much about hcg levels either but if they are doubling and in range then I should imagine that's a good sign.

Good luck to those who have scans today. thanks

I've finally heard from the midwives and have a booking appointment next Tuesday. Lovely lady on the phone said they will get me the earliest scan available when I go Tuesday, this should make me feel happier however it made me panic as I don't want bad news. I've tried to stay positive this whole time but I'm starting to struggle now

melody1979 Thu 01-May-14 08:25:49

Dotty, I will try to follow your advice. I am not very good at being pushy, but if it's the only way of being taken seriously by my GP, I will do my best tomorrow. Basgetti, I hope you manage to get a scan referral from your MW. Your story of your previous MMC sounds very similar to mine. I really understand that just waiting for the 12wks scan is not an option for us if we want to keep our sanity.

As basgetti and Dotty, I am still completely symptom free, so really not optimistic about the outcome of this pregnancy.

Annie, have you had any more bleeding? Have you called your EPU? Really hope it's only some remaining implantation bleeding or something like that and nothing serious.

Xkat I so understand your feeling of worrying to get bad news in your scan. But if your hormons levels are good, try to stay optimistic.

AnnieHoo Thu 01-May-14 10:38:05

I had a scan at 9am and they saw a sac at 8w 5d but they couldn't see anything inside so it was 'inconclusive'. I am so devastated. They said come back in two weeks but I know. If they can't see it, there's nothing there. Thank you ladies. I will wait for mc to start. Still no bleeding or cramps only brown discharge last night. It's so cruel because I have the symptoms. I have no hope left. so so sad. x

CallingAllEngels Thu 01-May-14 11:00:32

Oh annie I'm so sorry. x

Penguin13 Thu 01-May-14 11:02:46

Annie I am so so sorry sad I hope you and your partner have lots of support. Take good care of yourself and each other.

melody1979 Thu 01-May-14 11:14:41

Oh Annie... So sorry to hear that.
We've all been there so we know how you are feeling. Take good care of yourself. Hope you have friends and family to support you.

PresidentSpreadable Thu 01-May-14 11:20:55

So terribly sorry to hear your news Annie. Please look after yourself. x

CakesALot Thu 01-May-14 11:28:52

So so sorry Annie. It is utterly devastating. Take care if yourself x

regularbutpanickingabit Thu 01-May-14 12:19:35

I am so so sorry Annie, it is the most horrendous thing to go through. Look after yourself.

AnnieHoo Thu 01-May-14 12:25:17

Thank you so much lovely ladies. My hubby's been home to see me and now my mum's here and my wee doggy for cuddles so I'll be fine. Wishing you all the best for your pregnancies. It's just nature and best that it's earlier rather than later. thanks xxxxx

FranksBobot Thu 01-May-14 12:45:48

Oh Annie, I'm so sorry. Take care of yourself and take it easy. Thinking of you x

DrFunkesFamilyBandSolution Thu 01-May-14 12:51:56

So sorry for your loss Anne, glad you've got someone (and somedog!) to give you hugs today. Xx

Scan went well here, pushed back two days but all good.

basgetti Thu 01-May-14 12:58:06

I'm so sorry Annie. Thinking of you thanks

Penguin13 Thu 01-May-14 13:09:26

Glad your scan went well Funkes. How many weeks are you now? Am trying and mostly failing to distract myself from tonight by immersing myself in JustGiving reports but the time is seriously dragging. Half a day down, half to go.

I'm glad you have loving people around you to support you and give you hug Annie.

DrFunkesFamilyBandSolution Thu 01-May-14 13:22:38

7 weeks, ds2 was born at 37+5, so hoping this one follow suit and I've only got 30 more weeks of this.

penguin, I've put a few games in my phone so when I feel negative I go and play a quiz or whatever to distract myself, not great advice f you're at work but good for late night!

Penguin13 Thu 01-May-14 14:13:26

If any of you were wondering what happened to LaceyLee who disappeared from the thread shortly after her scan date, I thought you might like to know that she ended up postponing her scan for a week or so but had the scan a couple of days ago. Everything looked great and there was a heartbeat. She decided to step back from mn for a bit but was happy for me to update you all and let you know that she and bean are doing okay.

PresidentSpreadable Thu 01-May-14 14:50:59

Thanks for letting us know penguin, I had noticed her absence. Good luck for later btw.

Good news on the scans strawbs and covent.

I managed about three days off before I came back, but I think my anxiety levels are going back up again a bit, so might take another break over the weekend. We are off to rural with about 20 old friends to celebrate a 40th birthday, it's going to be a nightmare trying to disguise my teetotalism, but I really don't want to announce it yet. MrPres is going to have to chug both glasses I think!

basgetti Thu 01-May-14 16:08:42

I've started getting cramps today sad

I have spoken to the midwife who said thats not uncommon, but I've been offered a scan at the EPU tomorrow morning so at least I will find out one way or another. Very anxious now.

Penguin13 Thu 01-May-14 16:57:03

Basgetti I have everything crossed for you for tomorrow. It's great that they're giving you a scan. Hopefully everything will be fine and it will put your mind at rest.

Hope MrPres is up to the challenge! The alternative is drinking lots of 'could have alcohol in if you didn't know better' type drinks. Depends what your usual tipple is though - sharing a bottle of wine is harder to fake!

Just about to meet H to drive to the scan clinic for 7. Starting to feel sick with nerves.

basgetti Thu 01-May-14 18:09:35

Thanks Penguin, I hope your scan goes well x

FranksBobot Thu 01-May-14 18:23:40

Thanks for the update on Lacey, I've been thinking about her.

Good luck for your scan penguin.

I'm still so jealous that I haven't a scan date! Roll on Tuesday when I should get one at my booking in appointment!!

FranksBobot Thu 01-May-14 18:24:47

President could you not have a dental abscess / water infection that requires strong antibiotics so no drinking?!! wink

Penguin13 Thu 01-May-14 19:25:43

Relieved and overjoyed that the scan was all fine. We got to see and hear the heartbeat and I'm measuring bang on 8+5 and from my calculations I should be 8+6. So relieved smile

DrFunkesFamilyBandSolution Thu 01-May-14 19:31:41

Great news for lacey & penguin! So glad after that long old wait today everything was fine (& you didn't have to drink more water an wait or anything)

pres, you almost didn't come out to celebrate friends birthday as you're feeling so rough so don't want to wake up with a banging hangover too? I use the I'm so tired, damn children! excuse.

FranksBobot Thu 01-May-14 19:51:07

Fantastic news penguin! Congratulations x

basgetti Thu 01-May-14 19:54:27

Congratulations Penguin, that's great news x

StrawbsAndCream Thu 01-May-14 20:53:09

So sorry to hear that Annie we are all here if you need a chat, glad you have loving family around you. Take good care of yourself xxx

StrawbsAndCream Thu 01-May-14 20:54:45

Congratulations Penguin and DrFunkes !! Been thinking about you both today. So pleased for you, brilliant news!!

PresidentSpreadable Thu 01-May-14 21:03:39

Wonderful stuff penguin!

I've just managed to eat something healthy and nutritious for my dinner, the first time in weeks! My skin has been suffering from my carb overloading. No crisps were involved!

ParanoidCoventGarden75 Thu 01-May-14 21:28:57

Trying to catch up on everybody's news today before collapsing to bed.

annie so sorry, be kind to yourself thanks

drfunke & penguin so happy it went well, and great to know about lacey

I had a bit of brown spotting today, which I'm trying to ignore as we saw HB yesterday and I know it happens and hoping that dildocam is the culprit for moving things around.

Btw I hate cheese! Antipasti are harder to resist though.

Penguin13 Thu 01-May-14 22:29:39

So glad I have you ladies to chat to - you really have kept me semi sane over the past few weeks. The end of that first tricky trimester is almost in sight now girls. Let's march, skip, crawl and drag each other over that 12 week mark. I am rooting for all of you stuck in no-mans land right now. We want you with us, every single one of you.

xkatxdollx Fri 02-May-14 00:59:21

Yay! so I went in for my scan today and I saw the heartbeat! going in again in a week and a half!

xkatxdollx Fri 02-May-14 01:01:45

I'm so sorry Annie just keep trying it will happen for you