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Easter is approaching, and the PESH are laying all over the place!

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evilgiraffe Sun 09-Mar-14 19:29:32

Antenatal fred fun for BESH graduates


Faith - pinky faithlet arrived 14th April 2013
Pinkr - suitably pinky one arrived 25th August 2013
Jethro - blue one arrived 23rd September 2013
Noks - pink one arrived 12th January 2014


Frankel - EDD 4th March ANY TIME NOW grin
Sinky - EDD 18th March
Merks - EDD 21st March
Driz - EDD 7th June
Draf - EDD 19th June
Kat - EDD 20th June
Winks - EDD 26th June
Dor - EDD 18th August
Ginger - 20th August
Euro - 28th August

Bugs - EDD approx 21st October

TheBuggerlugs Sun 09-Mar-14 19:35:24

<Waves from darkened corner and hugs TWAT cushion>

Push Frank push!

eurochick Sun 09-Mar-14 19:40:56

frank! There haven't been any lays since I have been on the PESH fred - you will be my first! Good luck! It sounds like your fears about induction can be put to one side. smile

MyNameIsWinkly Sun 09-Mar-14 19:43:05

I wondered what you would do about frank's EDD draf! smile

Yay Frank, sending lots of good thoughts your way.

ginge did you get the car seat and pram on a bargain? Well done if you did.

Did I already say that I saw the hammock I had wanted in Kiddicare, and didn't like it in real life? If I did, sorry, my concentration is shot from two early starts at work, and the pain in my hips and ribcage.

Place marking expectantly

KatAndKit Sun 09-Mar-14 19:48:35

I love the pesh list! Three cluster diffs in six months is just awesome.

I need to stop buying baybee clothes. I am getting attacked by hormones whenever I see anything pink and pretty!

FriendofDorothy Sun 09-Mar-14 20:40:40

Those cluster diffs are AWESOME!

Come on Franks.... push!!!!

I am predicting a baybeeee born tomorrow morning at 1.48am weighing 7lbs 8oz.

GingerScouse Sun 09-Mar-14 21:00:32

Yep, got both for £30 less than vista on its own!

Push frank, push!

evilgiraffe Sun 09-Mar-14 21:19:30

We picked up two sacks of clothes, sleeping bags, and swaddle blankets from friends today - those plus the high chair, pram, and car seat mean that we are starting to make room in our heads/house for an Actual Baybee shock I was putting all the clothes away earlier and it felt so weird because I never thought this would ever actually happen.

TheBuggerlugs Sun 09-Mar-14 21:21:34

Draf do you know what you're having or is it a surprise?

evilgiraffe Sun 09-Mar-14 21:24:07

It's a girl, bugs smile Said sacks of clothes included a few gorgeous little dresses - I'm looking forward to playing dress-up grin

TheBuggerlugs Sun 09-Mar-14 21:29:55

We've had a good run of the pink lately! Sinks Is yours the only blue?

Dor are you going to find out?

FriendofDorothy Sun 09-Mar-14 21:37:33

Too bloody right.

I still quite hope it is a girl so I can give her my Mum's name.

If it is a boy I will be fine about it but we have no ideas of names for boys this time!

TheBuggerlugs Sun 09-Mar-14 21:48:17

That would be lovely Dor.

I don't know that many people who don't find out anymore. I certainly want to (if I get that far).

evilgiraffe Sun 09-Mar-14 22:01:19

Friends of mine didn't find out; I'm not quite sure why. We couldn't think of a reason not to find out - we could, so we did.

Nokkie73 Sun 09-Mar-14 22:03:26

Wanders in shouting ANY NEWS at franks. How bloody exciting. I really hope everything is good with you and that you have a sneeze birth whilst reading Hello! Magazine and eating kettle chips.

Yo to everyone else. X

SinkyMalinks Sun 09-Mar-14 22:06:13

Willing a sneeze birth in franks direction (and me and merk...)

Bugs, driz is blue as well, but I think that's it!

Hope you're having newborn snuggles Frank

Quick update, Elizabeth Alice arrived at 00.40 weighing in at a whopping 8lb15oz shock Somehow managed the whole thing on just gas and air, don't ask me how!
Will fill you all in on the gory details later, but we have to stay in hospital for 48 hours as she is running a bit of a temperature. She's fine, as am I, it's just a precaution.

Photos will appear in t'other place later today but please don't post on my Facebook page yet as we're still notifying people.

Congrats Frank, have been checking all night grin gorgeous name. Wow to the gas and air

FriendofDorothy Mon 10-Mar-14 07:28:31

Oh Franks. How wonderful! Elizabeth Alice is a gorgeous name smile

eurochick Mon 10-Mar-14 07:33:33

Congrats frank! I love the name. smile. Enjoy the newborn snuggles!

We're not planning to find out what we are having. I like surprises. KFZK would find out but has said I get to win on this one. I reckon about a quarter of the August AN group on here have said they don't plan to find out. We were out with some friends yesterday who said they didn't plan to find out but on the scan there was a very obvious willy sticking up!

evilgiraffe Mon 10-Mar-14 07:51:56

Hooray! Congratulations, Frank smile

TheBuggerlugs Mon 10-Mar-14 07:57:26

Wow Frank you are hardcore. She is a whopper. Can't wit for photos on t'other place. Enjoy the snuggles thanks

MyNameIsWinkly Mon 10-Mar-14 08:03:15

Brilliant news frank, that's amazing. Well done & congratulations xx

SinkyMalinks Mon 10-Mar-14 08:13:34

Congrats Frank!

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Mon 10-Mar-14 08:21:36

Wooohooooo! CONGRATULATIONS franks. Gorgeous name as well. And massive well done to you for getting her out at that size without any of the hard drucks. Cannot wait to see the pics on the other place!

I am still very happy to have found out, mostly because it made it a bit more real. And we didn't and still don't have any boy's names, which is a bit of a worry. I guess I am still in denial, I made my first baby purchase this weekend, a tiny outfit, as I thought it was time I bought something. All the baby things we have still fit in one bag and mostly consist of cuddly toys we were given But we sat on a terrace in the sun admiring other people's prams and discussing what we would do. We're probably just borrowing my sister's and getting a few new bits and bobs for it (like front wheels). SB has early nesting and has cleared the area where we'll put a changing station... So now I look at an empty corner of the room.

KatAndKit Mon 10-Mar-14 08:23:31

Congratulations and well done frank! Such a lovely name, and I can't wait to see a picture. Glad you are both doing well.

ALittleFaith Mon 10-Mar-14 08:27:48

Squee! New baybee! Well done Frank. You progressed quickly eh? I love the name. They were both high on the lost of choices for Faithlet. Enjoy newborn cuddles and hair sniffing! smile

Fabuluce Mon 10-Mar-14 08:38:42

sneaks in as not officially allowed in the PESH - just wanted to give a big whoop to Frank, and an arm punch. Well done!! And a cuddle and head sniff to Franklet smile

MsJupiter Mon 10-Mar-14 10:57:54

Congrats Frank!

<comes out of hiding to stick up a celebratory balloon>

TheBuggerlugs Mon 10-Mar-14 13:21:10

I feel a bit odd today hags. I feel heavy in my lower body, not in my womble or tummy specifically but it all feels bloated and sore but I can't put my finger specifically on where.

MyNameIsWinkly Mon 10-Mar-14 13:26:16

Crampy, stretchy, need a poo, ate something dodgy, or another kind of sore bugs?

TheBuggerlugs Mon 10-Mar-14 13:28:06

Erm, not really any of those. Just sort of heavy. Its weird. Clearly I need to go home from work immediately (fat chance). I can only assume it's due to my ginormo-ovaries still squashing everything.

MyNameIsWinkly Mon 10-Mar-14 13:39:00

What time can you go home? I've taken today off work (not that it matters to anyone). I'm shattered, heartburn-y and sore. I could do with taking a load of stuff to the charity shop but can't be arsed. Its the getting parked by the shops bit that's too much hassle.

TheBuggerlugs Mon 10-Mar-14 13:40:55

About 5 ish. I'm ok just having a winge. I've bought some seeds so am going to do some planting when I get home. That will cheer me up.

MyNameIsWinkly Mon 10-Mar-14 13:46:29

Whinge away! Planting seeds sounds lovely, what kinds do you have?

I think I need a nap.

TheBuggerlugs Mon 10-Mar-14 13:57:17

Sunflowers, cosmos, Erm and other pretty ones to plant round the base of some trees. I've probably bought completely the wrong ones but they look pretty smile

I bought seed tray inserts but didn't get seed trays to put them in so now need to find something to stand them on. <sigh>

Nokkie73 Mon 10-Mar-14 15:27:39

Woo-hoo. Well done franks. I love the name Elizabeth (it's Nancy's second name) and I know an absolutely lovely Alice so a totally gorgeous name. You are NAILS for doing it with just gas and air. I got ripped to the tits on gas and air so it has some great memories for me until syntocin turned me into Regan from the Exorcist

Who is next then ? It's exciting all this cluster laying.....

MyNameIsWinkly Mon 10-Mar-14 16:22:32

sinks and merks are in a race to the finish now.

How are you norks? How's the feeding, sleeping, pooping and crying (yours and babys) going?

MyNameIsWinkly Mon 10-Mar-14 16:22:32

sinks and merks are in a race to the finish now.

How are you norks? How's the feeding, sleeping, pooping and crying (yours and babys) going?

Nokkie73 Mon 10-Mar-14 16:38:29

twonkytonk I have to say that life as a mum is totes fucking amazeballs. My little lady is just gorgeous. She is a really good little thing and is (at the moment) being very kind on the sleeping front - she has just gone through the night over the last four nights which is great. She has always been a prodigious feeder which I reckon has helped enormously - no snacking at the boob, just good half hour feeds from a couple of weeks old, which have helped her stomach to grow so that she can take more and more food (and go longer between feeds). I have to confess and say that it's very little that I am doing to encourage this behaviour. I am a clueless nit - it is all her. I reckon it's the luck of the draw and depends on what kind of baby you get. I just wonder whether her extra two weeks in Shaft (my black womble) gave her an opportunity to develop that little bit more.....who knows. She has her jabs tomorrow so I just hope this doesn't turn her into some sort of psycho maniac nut job.

How are you doing, fellow Team Pink-er ?

Nokkie73 Mon 10-Mar-14 17:00:57

I have just re-read that post and am extremely concerned that you may think I have turned into a Stepford Wife. I have nit. To dispel this myth, certain facts should be stated here:

1. I drink red wine and breastfeed at the same time.
2. I have said the word cunt quite a lot since dropping my baybee.
3. Even though N sleeps very well, I am still awake at 4am as she farts and groans like an OAP who has scoffed a whole plate of egg sandwiches at a wedding, thus keeping me awake.
4. It took ages for my knockers to toughen-up for nork feeding.
5. I was fucking scared witless when I bought N home.
6. I cried for no reason for a couple of weeks after giving birth. Not all the time but the weirdest things would set me off. I would also go to the other end of the spectrum and call DP a fucking twat quite a lot.
7. I often have massive wet patches on my clothes because of my leaky breasticles.
8. I got a really horrid infection and my c-section wound was seeping for a couple of weeks post-birth.
9. I have not had sex for ages.

So I hope this reassures you that I haven't turned into a right soft fucking dweeb. I is still keeping it real, innit.

Nokkie73 Mon 10-Mar-14 17:03:52

DP ? I apologise. I mean CASAF. I will slap myself with a medley of fish immediately.

MyNameIsWinkly Mon 10-Mar-14 18:02:12

<wallops norks with the Turbot of Twee> grin
Sounds like you're getting on brilliantly Norks, I'm delighted for you. How quickly the last couple of months seem to have gone! Hooray for good sleeping and eating. <ponders if the red wine helps the baby snooze> I couldn't imagine you turning Stepford, somehow! Yuck to the seepy wound, are you all cleared up now?

I'm good, in general, though painful hips and ribs are causing me a fair amount of grief. I'm torn between wanting my baybee now and panicking that we still have 4 rooms to paint and can't order a pram until they're done. I'm also eating more food than should be humanly possible, and prone to crying at random fairly frequently. But generally, good. There's nothing nicer than sitting quietly and feeling her merrily kick the crap out of me smile

SinkyMalinks Mon 10-Mar-14 18:06:45

Noks, that is the first laugh I've had today (bouncing on ball is not fun. Even when it's sunny). I'd forgotten about Shaft (SHAFT!).

Thought my waters had gone last night... With the benefit of time I suspect it was wee blush.

Oh the glamour.

TheBuggerlugs Mon 10-Mar-14 18:45:33

Sinks did you sniff it like they do on OBEM? grin

8 weeks tomorrow hags and The Fear is coming back. GP is mad with me for thinking out loud about what I'll do next week If the scan shows bad news.

MyNameIsWinkly Mon 10-Mar-14 18:59:49

OBEM has been quite good the last two weeks. No fluid sniffing though.

bugsy I know its impossible not to torture yourself but honestly, the chances of it being ok are far, far higher than the chances its gone wrong. Hair strokes for you.

SinkyMalinks Mon 10-Mar-14 19:00:57

I tried Bugs! Didn't smell of much tbh, hence thinking it might be be wee... (And I'd just gone to the loo). But nothing more, so am ignoring.

Except I have been getting quite sore tightenings through the day. Not regular, but getting pretty sore. Don't really know what to do. Ghj will be at work till 8 ish and won't get home till 9.30ish at the earliest. And I think he thinks I'm already mad after my waters/wee confusion yesterday.

So I've decided to keep bouncing on my ball.


TheBuggerlugs Mon 10-Mar-14 19:21:43

Oooh we could have another ESHlet before the weekend. grin

If your concerned you could always ring the maternity unit for advice. If it was your waters they'll want to see you.

ALittleFaith Mon 10-Mar-14 19:22:00

Given your history I think that's natural bugs. It's a self-preservation thing.

Sinks what about a bath? Might make you more comfortable. There was no mistaking my waters breaking. Full on gush!

Noks I love that description. I luff being a Mum. Faithlet is just amazing. So much fun watching her puzzling things out and she gives proper cuddles smile

KatAndKit Mon 10-Mar-14 19:27:22

Sinks if you think you might be leaking waters put a maternity pad in your pants. Then if you do end up with them asking to see you on the ward to check, you will have something to show them. And if you are just pissing yourself then it will be just like a tena lady. The glamorous side of pregnancy, eh?!

SinkyMalinks Mon 10-Mar-14 19:32:14

Great minds! Had a pad on overnight/this morning. Nada. So pretty certain not waters. And was only a little gush (Mmmm), although have been reading about hindwaters etc and fretting. I suspect it was just wee - don't think I'd rocked enough/changed position to let my bladder empty (self diagnosis - I'm a master!)

I suspect this is all wishful thinking after seeing franks gorgeous bundle. But how do I know? I've never done this before!


And Frank was so stoical - "I might be in early labour" = baby ?6 hours later... She's my new hero.

Nokkie73 Mon 10-Mar-14 20:42:18

twonks I used to love her fidgeting, hiccuping and generally sodding about in me. Now I have to share her with the world, but back then, I didn't. Just enjoy the fact that you can eat cake and have second breakfasts like a hobbit and not give it a second thought. I fucking loved stuffing my face when I was diffed. Sorry the hips/ribs are playing you up though.

sinks I am to please my love. I also had a waters/wee mix-up. I was convinced some of my waters had leaked out but, in hindsight, it was just a small bit of wee. I always wondered if I would actually know when my waters broke.....having a nurse elbow deep in your fanjarama breaking your waters, I now realise that there is no mistaking that happening. Keep bouncing on that bloody ball !

bugs Twonky is right about the chances of it being fine. But. But. But. It will never stop The Fear. I really hope that it's your time. I took it day by day, no more, and as each one of them passed-by, I would let myself believe just a bit more that it would work. X

faif Faiflet sounds adorable. She looks adorable too. Proper cuddles must be delicious.

ALittleFaith Mon 10-Mar-14 20:53:20

Honestly it's awesome. She puts her head on my shoulder and says 'Mmmmm' (because that's what I do!), sucks her thumb and strokes my hair with her other hand. She's also started giving kisses. Such a scrumptious age! smile

eurochick Mon 10-Mar-14 21:16:48

Oooo sinks. Eggciting!

bugs I did the same. I was planning the timing of my next IVF.

I can't wait to feel movement. I need the reassurance. I'm finding the 8 week wait between scans (after having 5 between 6 and 12 weeks) loooooooooong. I have a mw appt next week and am hoping to hear the heartbeat.

The ESHlets sound really adorable. smile

Sinks, I'm no hero, just clueless grin I thought that what I was experiencing were tightenings not contractions blush It was only when they examined me and said I was 4cm that I believed it was happening.

As far as waters go I can't help. Mine didn't go until I was pretty much fully dilated in the pool and the sensation made me vomit quite explosively blush

Elizabeth is currently asleep on my chest making little snuffly noises and farting like a trooper grin Breastfeeding is going ok so far though madam has a tendency to latch, suck 4 or 5 times then detach hmm She's getting quite agitated about losing her milk supply and is certainly very vocal about it! The midwives are being very supportive though and have told me I've got the right technique, we just need to get E on board!

pinkr Mon 10-Mar-14 21:36:23

congrats Frank... sounds just lovely! ! I find that the first days are sort of a hazy memory now... Probably due to the excessive amount of drugs I was on, .
noks. I love your description of how is all going! I'm getting me some wine on thurs and very excited about it. simple things

Frank great to hear you're both doing well. I suspect I will be the exact opposite and screaming down the hospital for drugs grin

SinkyMalinks Mon 10-Mar-14 21:54:19

What made you ring up/go in frank? Was it the pain, or timings or something else?

I seem to be getting tightenings every 5 min I think. But not unbearable. I've managed to eat a sandwich. You can't bear eating in labour, right?

TheBuggerlugs Mon 10-Mar-14 21:56:00



Boy, 8lb 7oz smile

MyNameIsWinkly Mon 10-Mar-14 21:57:43

We know its a boy bugs, no points for that!!! 8lb 4oz at 2pm tomorrow smile

Sinks, ring the midwife. They will tell you what to do. and please don't lay yet as that makes me next grin
Keep us posted

SinkyMalinks Mon 10-Mar-14 22:10:51

Oh god, dont start betting on me. It'll probably turn out I'm imaginging everything and will still be hanging on in 3 weeks time...

I phoned because the "tightenings" were getting closer together and gradually stronger. Of course when I called they told me the unit was shut and that they'd call other local hospitals to see who had room for me. That turned out to be a 50 minute drive away, so we agreed to leave right away as we didn't want to leave it too late. Good decision as it turns out!

TheBuggerlugs Mon 10-Mar-14 22:35:55

I was hoping no one would remember that Winks grin

Good luck Sinks whatever you decide to do.

MsJupiter Mon 10-Mar-14 22:42:07

Frank it sounds like she is trying to get your supply going, all her noises and stimulation will get your hormones doing their job. But do check for tongue tie if you are concerned.

Good luck to all the layers, I was blonderedhead before in case any of you remember me. Very happy to see so many on the not-list.

My DS is 16mo and bloody amazing. Can confirm Faith's assessment of baby/toddlerhood. Kisses and cuddles galore. Climbing on everything and squealing at dogs and buses. Joyful.

FriendofDorothy Mon 10-Mar-14 22:51:13

Oh my Little Mister is 15 months old and currently snuggled up in bed with me. He's snoring and I just adore him. He has learnt to cuddle, blow kisses, high five and quack like a duck. Amazing!!!

evilgiraffe Mon 10-Mar-14 22:55:07

The unit was shut?!?! shock

You never know, sinks! It could all be happening...

We've just been visiting more friends, and have come back with another giant heap of baby clothes and assorted extra items. It must be real, then? <still can't believe it>


Sorry Draf did I not mention that before? I'm forgetting who I've told what to! Yes The Rosie at Addenbrookes was shut to new arrivals on Sunday as they were short staffed. All those luffly birthing rooms lying unused sad I ended up at Hinchingbrook in Huntingdon. The midwives here said it's happening pretty regularly now as Addenbrookes seem to be permanently understaffed, there were at least 4 other ladies here that had been transferred from Addenbrookes.

We've had an ok night here, though not much sleep. Elizabeth has been very grouchy and the midwives said she probably has tummy ache and wind from not pooing since birth. The only thing that'll get things shifting is more food, but the poor little mite is finding feeding positions very uncomfortable. She did manage one good 20 min feed at 1am but then an hour later was screaming the place down, so the midwives took her to the nurses station to settle her and give me a chance to nap for an hour or so. When she came back she'd only sleep on my chest so I've not had a great deal of sleep - welcome to my new life!

She's down at the SCBU at the moment having her intravenous antibiotics and being checked over, so I'm MN-ing and eating some cornflakes. I did start writing a sort of birth story yesterday afternoon when I couldn't sleep so I'll see if I can finish it off so that I don't forget any more details!

Hope everything is well with you Sinks grin

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Tue 11-Mar-14 07:19:21

Ta Noks for the early morning giggles you've produced. I am experiencing my breakfast again, so can do with some cheering up! The descriptions of motherhood sound wonderful and messy.

How are things, sink? Merk don't even think about laying til early April... Don't need to be top of the list for a while!

Hang in there bugs! We had the first scan at 7+6 this time. I was convinced it would not be there. And couldn't see the screen thru my tears. One day at a time.

Sounds you are doing very well, frank! Enjoy newborn cuddles!

evilgiraffe Tue 11-Mar-14 07:47:27

Oh, that's interesting to know, Frank, you'd think of the two that Addenbrooke's would have the greater number of staff! Clearly we really do need to make midwifery a more attractive prospect. HOTB and I had better learn the way to Hinchingbrooke maternity unit too... My friend had both her babies there and had a good time with both, so at least it's not an entirely unknown quantity. I hope Elizabeth cheers up soon - it can't be long before her digestive system gets going and then she'll be more comfortable, I'd hope smile

Incidentally, top tip from friends of mine - the best thing to get rid of poo stains is apparently a good scrub with imperial leather before you stick clothes in the washing machine.

I forgot to say last night, noks, great to hear from you, and your posts are entertaining as ever grin

SinkyMalinks Tue 11-Mar-14 07:59:10

Howdy. I'm still hanging in here. A warm bath and paracetamol got me loads more comfy.. To the extent that all stopped!

Frank, good to hear from you! I think the latch but poor feed is really common - poor tired babies. But you'll both get there. Shame you're so far from home though. X

KatAndKit Tue 11-Mar-14 08:28:25

It sounds like many of you are within esh meet distance from me. My parents live near Huntingdon. Cambridge esh meet would be ace, once frank is out and about again!

JethroTull Tue 11-Mar-14 09:52:49

Innit luffly reading all your posts. Frank your baby girl is a beauty & I love her name.

eurochick Tue 11-Mar-14 09:58:32

frank enjoy your day of newborn snuggles.

sink that sounds like a practice run. Hopefully not long now until the real thing!

TheBuggerlugs Tue 11-Mar-14 10:16:25

Morning Hags. Glad things settled Sinks but I don't think it will be long before he arrives.

Frank hope E manages a big poo today. I think newborn poo is black and sticky.

I'm menkulling today and really struggling. I think things will just get worse as next Wed gets closer so I'm gonna lurk rather than post so I don't sound like a broken record.

FriendofDorothy Tue 11-Mar-14 10:17:07

I could get over the magic of sunshine on poo stains!

If the fabric still lookes stained after going through the washing machine hang outside in the sunlight and the stain magically disappears!

SinkyMalinks Tue 11-Mar-14 10:47:39

Bugs, don't worry about being a broken record - that's why we have the PESH, no? We all understand the menkull and you can whitter away without us trying to find "the right words" - we know there aren't any, until you get that scan (whitter isn't meant to be offensive, but it's how I see myself when I'm fixating on something)

If it makes you feel any better, I'll whitter on about cramps/tightenings/etc. They've started again after easing off overnight. Ghj is working long days all week, has no phone signal and so is nigh on uncontactable from 6am to 10pm. I have instructions to ring his boss if I need him - which only adds another level to my menkull of should I/shouldn't I...

But, in order to not make this post all me me me, I'll add that I've also heard of the magic properties of sunlight in stain and smell removal!

Bugs I menkulled to a degree before every scan. I found it helped to say all the stuff I was worried about no matter how crazy (what if the baby has disappeared? Etc) and VVTM would tell me I was being stupid. Just to hear that helped a bit, though I never felt 100% better until the scan was over with. One day at a time

TheBuggerlugs Tue 11-Mar-14 12:35:56

My fear is that it will have stopped growing / died or not be growing properly. I can't stop eating though so hopefully that means Buglet is growing nicely and I got another 3+ on a cbd yesterday so at least my hormone levels are still up. I just wish I felt more pregnant.

Those fears will be the same before every scan until you can feel movement all the time I'm afraid.
Im afraid I don't have any ideas as to what can help you get through the next few days. All I would say is not to bottle it up as I find its easier to imagine scenarios (and your imagination runs wild) on your own

MyNameIsWinkly Tue 11-Mar-14 12:43:38

I blame Hollywood, but also our years of symptom spotting, for us not feeling pregnant enough. They make us feel like pregnancy should be a huge-boobed barf-fest, when in reality unstoppable eating is as much of a symptom as some people get (and more don't get any symptoms at all.) My main early symptom was being very farty, nice. Post as often as you like bugs, this is a good place and to a greater or lesser extent we understand how it feels.

sinks it seems like things are gearing up for you, hopefully not too long to go.

frank sounds like you're doing a brilliant job, I'm rooting for a big poo and a happier baybee. She's a wee poppet smile Will you be calling her by her full name or will it get shortened, do you think?

I wonder how my neighbours would feel about me putting the airer in the communal garden/garage area for an hour or so each day in the summer. Hmm.

eurochick Tue 11-Mar-14 12:55:39

bugs I'm finding the gap between scans hard too. I had 5 between 6 and 12 weeks, and now I have an 8 week wait for the next one! Gah. I think it'll be easier once I can feel movement as now I'm into the second tri I don't even have much in the way of symptoms to comfort me.

frank I hope the feeding gets easier. x

TheBuggerlugs Tue 11-Mar-14 15:11:50

I have womble cramps today for the first time in over a week. This is making my menkul worse. I'm also spending the afternoon with my friend and her 2 lovely children and I'm broody as chuff.

If only I could buy a dildocam machine to use at home. I bet thats what Beyonce did.

Bugs I actually spent a night googling prices to buy an ultrasound machine blush although I'm sure shared out between all the menkullers we could
spread the cost grin

TheBuggerlugs Tue 11-Mar-14 16:23:09

Out of interest how much was it? A friend at work with an IVF baybee has offered me a doppler. Obviously it won't work yet but I don't know if it will cause more menkul then its worth.

KatAndKit Tue 11-Mar-14 16:27:13

It will cause more menkul than it is worth. Don't do it!

KatAndKit Tue 11-Mar-14 16:28:48

Would another scan while you wait make you feel better? You can usually get one for £50 or thereabouts.

TheBuggerlugs Tue 11-Mar-14 16:44:09

Yes and no. Yes if everything was fine, but if it's not I don't fancy a nurse I don't know giving me bad news. The nurses at my clinic are all lovely and I'll be able to agree a plan with them whereas a bad scan will just leave me in limbo. I think I'd rather wait and try to keep busy.

KatAndKit Tue 11-Mar-14 16:48:52

I know what you mean! I had to wait till 8+2 this time and it was tough but it was the right thing for me to do. The menkul never really goes away but after your next scan hopefully it will go down quite a lot.

Bugs what about an extra scan at your clinic? Sure they would accommodate that, or just bring the date forward. Your peace of mind is important
I had a Doppler from 14 ish weeks I think and loved it. But I know it can be a cause of hell. The ultrasound machines were thousands and thousands grin

TheBuggerlugs Tue 11-Mar-14 17:21:56

I doubt they will bring it forward as the scan is at 9w so they can discharge if all is ok so they'd probably have to scan me again next week anyway. I know that no amount of scans will change the outcome.I'll either have a baybee this time or I won't. I just honestly don't know how i'll cope if I have a 4th mc. I'll be pushing for a D&C that's for sure and taking myself to a fancy luxury spa retreat for a few days to be alone and decide where my life is going. <deep>

evilgiraffe Tue 11-Mar-14 17:23:42

My friend is a sonographer - when she was pregnant she used to scan her own belly after hours, or on breaks between patients. And she knew exactly what she was looking at and what was normal, too - maybe that should be the profession for PESH?!

TheBuggerlugs Tue 11-Mar-14 17:27:54

Why didn't I train to do that when I left school?? I would SO do that too.

KatAndKit Tue 11-Mar-14 18:32:14

That would be my ideal job although I would never have the machine off!

TheBuggerlugs Tue 11-Mar-14 20:55:20

Even when not diffed I would use it to see what my ovaries are up to.

I'm longing for ms, just to feel green for a few days will do.

Sinks any news/progress?

SinkyMalinks Tue 11-Mar-14 22:17:34

Same as yesterday. Painful tightenings from afternoon and ramping up into the evening. Currently breathing through one on my ball.

Bit tedious really. I've been told this could go one for days and days till the bitter end...

Do you have a midwife appointment soon? They would at least be able to tell you if its doing its job on your cervix

SinkyMalinks Tue 11-Mar-14 23:07:42

Friday have my almost 40 week apt. I'm hoping they'll agree to a sweep ever though I'll be 39+5 rather than 40...

Hoping things get shifting for you soon Sinks, just keep thinking every tightening and contraction brings you another step closer to your baybee.

SinkyMalinks Wed 12-Mar-14 09:01:31

Thanks frank.

Sorry merk. That was rude of me. I should gave asked, how are you? I'm a bit self centred at the moment...

Sinks don't apologise!
Nothing happening here, yoyo baby has come back up. Can see me being the one heading for the induction
Frank are you all home yet? Hope its going well
Ps can somebody PM me and enlighten me as to what happened to CaptainMoll, I lost track of the name changers

eurochick Wed 12-Mar-14 10:49:42

<Is on cervix watch>

Hags, yesterday and today, I have been having quite a few period-type pains. I am on knicker watch, but no blood yet. I've googled and it seems to be a mixed bag of: "this is bad" and "it's normal I had it". I've just dropped my mw a line to see what she thinks. Did any of you get this (I'm 16 weeks tomorrow, btw)?

Euro I had loads of it and spent quite a few weeks on knicker watch around that time too. My midwife said your uterus goes through a growth spurt as it comes up out of the pelvis

TheBuggerlugs Wed 12-Mar-14 11:26:27

The menkul never fucking stops does it?? I've just been feeling my boobs in the work toilets and am convinced they feel floppier. I'm really really losing hope now. sad

KatAndKit Wed 12-Mar-14 11:53:37

It sounds like it might be round ligament pain, euro. The ligaments supporting your uterus are getting stretched a lot at the moment.

KatAndKit Wed 12-Mar-14 11:54:50

It sounds like it might be round ligament pain, euro. The ligaments supporting your uterus are getting stretched a lot at the moment.

MyNameIsWinkly Wed 12-Mar-14 11:59:20

Even if your boobs are 'floppier,' it doesn't mean anything bugs, symptoms come and go.

euro I've had womble cramps on and off the whole way through, some incredibly painful. The womble has a lot of growing to do. Yesterday I had some cramps and was menkulling briefly about going into very early labour hmm

That was after a few days menkulling about eye floaters and puffy feet - I did go to the docs with that one, blood and wee are fine and I have to go to the opticians. I suspect the puffy feet may have had something to do with painting and shifting furniture all weekend. I'm still shattered from the exertion

<checks in for sinks cervix watch>

merks you've aaaaages before you need to think about induction!

I didn't think Moll was ever a PESH, didn't she temporarily give up TTCing on the BESH fred?

frank how's it going?

TheBuggerlugs Wed 12-Mar-14 12:03:51

I've spoken to my clinic and they have offered to scan me on Friday instead of next week BUT would prefer to do next Wed as its a much better picture at 9 week's. If I take their offer I'll have to move loads of stuff at work and rearrange my weekend so I'm going to battle through until next Wednesday and try to keep sane.

<puts head in sand>
<eyes up gin>

Stick with it Bugs. Dunno what it's like where you are but the sun is out here so a nice sunny weekend might help pass the time
I didn't know if Captain had got to PESH as I wasn't sure if she'd name changed while a BESH
Not that I'm counting or anything but 20 days until induction arguments for me (they let me go until 41+5 evidently - not sure if that's the same for all trusts?)

Still on the ward Im afraid sad, we're waiting for the Dr to come back with the blood results. Apparently the lab opened at 9.30am so I'm guessing he 's just got lots of people to see hmm

One thing I did forget to tell you was the rest of our short list of names. Both Elizabeth and Alice were on there, obv , but we also had Eleanor and Matilda. For a long time Matilda was my favourite but HWHNN liked it least of the four. We probably settled on the name about 6 weeks ago, but didn't want to say in case we changed our minds.

Euro I agree with the others, there are so many strange pains/sensations when pregnant and the vast majority are totally normal, if uncomfortable - wait till you get Lightning Foof!

Bugs I get the menkul, but I think you ought to wait for the later scan, it'll be that bit more conclusive.

FriendofDorothy Wed 12-Mar-14 12:46:21

Bugs how floppy your boobs are is really not a good indicator that something is going terribly wrong.

Go for the later scan. I suspect you are always going to menkul, especially in the lead up to scans but try to sit tight.

KatAndKit Wed 12-Mar-14 13:07:10

I agree with the others. 9 weeks is probably a good bit more conclusive than 8 weeks. As for the boobs, in all 4 pregnancies I have never had first trimester ginormaboobs. I don't think you can tell much from the boobs.the most important fact is that you are not bleeding.

eurochick Wed 12-Mar-14 16:48:28

bugs my boobs definitely have up and down days!

Holding out for the later scan sounds like a plan if you can manage it. I find if I can get to the weekend, it gets a lot easier, as it's then difficult to get a scan at the weekend, and once you are past that, it seems like a very short wait.

Thanks for the reassurances. I have had all sorts of stretching and grumbles before but no period cramps until yesterday, apart from the first couple of days of my marathon 3 week bleed in the first tri (so not a good precendent).

FriendofDorothy Wed 12-Mar-14 21:12:45

I have had a really shitty day.

I cried making breakfast and then The Little Mister was behaving like a little shit - throwing his food everywhere and being annoying, and snotty and whingy.

I then went to work and had a really busy day.

When I got home from work I made tea with The Little Mister lying at my feet whinging and crying until I was also crying.

It's silly in some ways because there was nothing that massively set me off.

I know it is all about missing my Mum loads at the moment. I wish she was here and I just feel so sad that she isn't.

Sorry to be grumpy and miserable.

MyNameIsWinkly Wed 12-Mar-14 23:17:35

Sympathy dor, that does sound like a shitty day. You've had so many massive changes in the last 18 months or so I'm amazed you're doing as well as you are. Hope the Little Mister is in better form tomorrow, big hugs.

ALittleFaith Thu 13-Mar-14 09:25:32

Oh dor, you are doing so well but it will catch up with you at times, especially with a grumpy, poorly boy! I hope you're feeling a bit better this morning.

FriendofDorothy Thu 13-Mar-14 09:36:04

I am shattered today.

Got a nasty headache and feel like my head is full of cotton wool.

I would like to go back to bed about now and sleep all day!

eurochick Thu 13-Mar-14 11:33:41

Oh dor that sounds hard. It's not long till the weekend. Can you arrange to have a quiet one, with some lie ins where the Mister takes out the Little Mister?

Acu has helped my headaches massively.

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Thu 13-Mar-14 14:33:54

Oh sorry dot, it sounds rubbish. One day til the weekend and I second the demands for a lie in for you. Look after yourself.

Sorry about the menkul. Bugs boobs are totally unreliable. Mine still deflate and reflate quite regularly. Hold on tight, the later you scan the more certainty you get.

I had odd pully sensations a lot, euro. No blood is a good sign and you're out of ultimate menkul trimester. When do you get to see the midwife and hear the heart? I found the lack of monitoring in second trimester really tough. I wept so much at the sound of the heart that I was offered to pop in for reassurance never went cos I was too scared there wouldn't be a heart.

MyNameIsWinkly Thu 13-Mar-14 14:51:04

I was the same driz, I sobbed like an idiot after the 16 week appointment. The midwife wrote on my notes I was 'tearful and anxious' (true, but still) and had me back for a bonus 18 week listen.

Dor hope the sun has helped lift your spirits today
Frank hope you both are doing well

TheBuggerlugs Thu 13-Mar-14 16:42:44

Afternoon Hags. I've deleted the MN app from my phone again and its helping with the menkul. I've also deleted FB. I'm not convinced all will be well and I'm having a few womble cramps today for the first time in over a week so i'll either know on Wednesday or before if its all over.

I wrote a 'plan B' list this morning which had loads of awesome stuff on it and made me feel a bit better. Obviously Plan A is have baybee but plan B looks a good back up if that doesn't work. I'll certainly be having a year or even longer off everything to do with baybees before deciding what to do with the frosties.

I'll pop out again now and will pop back over the weekend.

eurochick Thu 13-Mar-14 17:40:29

drizz I have the 16 weeks mw appointment on Monday. If she can't find the heartbeat I can see myself booking a scan as I can't make it through another 4 weeks of not knowing if everything is ok.

The period pains have largely gone off now. They were very different to the stretchy pains I have had at other times and were coming in waves, hence the menkul.

<Handhold> for bugs. You're a day nearer to the scan now.

SinkyMalinks Thu 13-Mar-14 18:30:25

Much love bugs. It's a tough time. Look after yourself.

Ahem. <remembers who we are> <manly punch to shoulder>

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Fri 14-Mar-14 06:58:58

Monday is really close, euro! And she should find the heart, altho it may take a few minutes. Do request extra monitoring if you need! I had my 20-week scan at 19, which made the gap a little smaller...

Hold on, bugs! No way to know now! Do what you need, re plan B, and deleting us all.

We had a scary episode last night. I came home from a brief walk with a lot of pain, couldn't sit or stand or anything. The pain was continuous and in the upper womble regions, but I was not dealing and scared. SB called the midwifes and apparently you can get womble cramps (like calf cramps) round the 28 week point, due to the growth spurt, which I did notice... The remedy was a warm shower, paracetamol and to bed with a hot water bottle. It's still achy but nowhere near as bad. I ha no idea this could happen and not mean prem birth so I thought I would share with the other June-differs!

eurochick Fri 14-Mar-14 11:09:38

That does sound scary drizz. I'm glad it was nothing to worry about.

SinkyMalinks Fri 14-Mar-14 11:50:21

How are all today? Not long to Monday now Euro. Any progress Merk?

Seen midwife. Denied sweep as not yet 40weeks. Policy apparently. Damn it. Back next thurs for sweep and to book induction.

I am fully engaged though, so all the fanjo pains have done something. Anyone want to share anacdotes about being fully engaged and promptly going into labour? (Please spare me the "fully engaged for weeks" stories!)

evilgiraffe Fri 14-Mar-14 13:17:05

Sounds hopeful, sinks smile

Glad you're okay, driz, that sounds very scary.

I've had a nice week with my parents visiting and having a trip to London for my dad's birthday. However I think it rather took something out of me, as yesterday I slept for a good sixteen hours or so and felt dreadful. In the last 24 hours I've eaten two bowls of shreddies and a slice of toast - not ideal, really. I'm starting to feel a bit more normal now, though, so will have lunch and see how I go...

TheBuggerlugs Fri 14-Mar-14 13:18:50

Afternoon all.

Driz - hope the pains have eased. I can imagine how scared you were.

Sinks - lets hope that baby comes soon.

Euro - good luck for Monday.

Ive moved my scan to Monday. The menkul is just too strong. I just need to know. If all is ok it will be the furthest i've made it. If all is lost im off on a piss up of epic proportions. Will update after the scan either way.

SinkyMalinks Fri 14-Mar-14 13:49:08

What will you be then bugs? 8+? Will still be reassuring I'd have thought, it seems to be more the 6-7 week scans that have an element of doubt, no? (Happy to be corrected, as you all know I was just a barren rather than a mc-er so haven't had to endure scan after scan)

Will be fingers and eyes crossed for you and euro. My legs, however, will be spread as wide as they'll bloody go...

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Fri 14-Mar-14 13:59:18

I called the midwife and cried on her, as I was still a bit panicked. I was allowed to come in for a quick check, Lembie is growing according to schedule, his heart was beating away and my pains may be continuing due to the awsomeness of my belly muscles that are being wrenched apart. Midwife was particularly understanding abput my flap as her daughter had an IVF baby.

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Fri 14-Mar-14 14:00:13

I am crossing everything for both bugs and euro on Monday!

eurochick Fri 14-Mar-14 14:03:28

sinks it sounds like everything is going in the right direction! Not long to go now. smile

I understand about the legs and I am sure that crossed other extremeties will be enough!

drizz I'm glad you got some reassurance. But ouch to the muscles being wrenched apart!

Hello all, quick pitstop from me to say we're still here. Things are mostly good with us, just a few hormonal and feed-related wobbles. Elizabeth had lost 11.5% of her body weight when checked over by the midwife yesterday, which is almost the maximum they consider healthy in this NHS area. So I got quite stressed that I was getting her feeding wrong and we had quite a lot of tears from both of us yesterday evening.

However midwife came again today and she's put nearly 30gms back on in less than 24 hours, so they are happier and checking her again tomorrow to make sure it's gong in the right direction.

Will catch up on everyone's posts now, but for the time being did you know we can now do photos?!

This morning

KatAndKit Fri 14-Mar-14 14:52:51

Awwww squee!! So beautiful! Glad the weight is on the way up, sounds like you are doing a brilliant job.

Frank she is gorgeous! Wow

SinkyMalinks Fri 14-Mar-14 16:09:17

She's lovely Frank. Well done. And tears, I understand, are pretty much inevitable in the first few weeks, whether everything goes textbook smoothly or not. And well done on Elizabeth's weight gain - good work from you and her!

MyNameIsWinkly Fri 14-Mar-14 18:46:52

Sounds like you're doing brilliantly frank. Almost the healthy maximum = still healthy, as I read it, and well done Elizabeth (and you) on her gain. Yes to tears being normal, apparently days 3 & 4 are the worst when hormone levels crash. Hope HWHNN is looking after you both. And she is a beauty smile

driz glad everything is ok and glad I don't have any stomach muscles to speak of Must have been scary. Has the pain settled any?

bugs hope you have a nice busy weekend to go. Monday isn't too far away. Here for hand holding. euro as well. I shall keep my fingers and toes crossed for you both.

draf hope you managed some rest and some decent lunch!

sinks fully engaged sounds hopeful. I'm willing him out of you sooner rather than later. Can you bath in clary sage oil? Apparently that can help get things started. (Everyone loves a good old wives' tale.)

merk hope you're well, and that you're relatively comfortable.

dor hope you get some rest over the weekend and that things aren't as bleak as they were the other day.

SinkyMalinks Fri 14-Mar-14 19:18:53

I ate a whole pineapple yesterday. (Well, the flesh. I passed on skin and leaves)

PESH. I beg of you. Don't be so foolish. envy

Aww Sinks, I got as far as buying a pineapple but never had a chance to eat it. I was taking the Raspberry Leaf Tea capsules for a few weeks and whilst I've no proof it helped me, some of the reported effects include shortened labour (6hr05min according to my notes!) and beneficial to milk supply (my milk came in on day 4 and I've been dropping ever since blush)

evilgiraffe Fri 14-Mar-14 19:47:07

Oh dear, sinks, have you dissolved your insides? <hairstrokes>

Glad to hear you and E are doing alright, Frank, tears notwithstanding smile

FriendofDorothy Fri 14-Mar-14 21:29:13

Apparently it is the core of the pineapple that makes the difference. Allegedly.

I would just like to tell everyone that tonight I will go to bed not wearing a bra. I think this is the first time I have gone bra-less in about 15 months. It's very freeing.

SinkyMalinks Fri 14-Mar-14 21:44:28

I'm ok. I just don't think I'll ever be able to face pineapple again. And yet there is another in my fridge staring at me

Am also on the raspberry leaf capsules frank. Every little helps...

FriendofDorothy Fri 14-Mar-14 21:50:26

I took raspberry leaf tea capsules. I think they say that it is meant to tone your uterus or something or other.

My uterus was the only toned thing about me I think because The Little Mister was evacuated rather speedily. The midwife described it as a textbook spontaneous birth. Whatever that it.

SinkyMalinks Fri 14-Mar-14 21:53:41

Sounds good dor!

<guzzles capsules>

Well done on going bra less btw- liberating.

evilgiraffe Sat 15-Mar-14 06:21:59

Starting the night-bra thing is not something I'm looking forward to <glum>

In happier news - the formula one season starts today! Good stuff so far, roll on Q2... <waves Lewis Hamilton flag> grin

evilgiraffe Sat 15-Mar-14 06:26:34

Oh, and I was getting a bit scared yesterday as baybee hadn't been moving much while I was under the weather for the last couple of days, but huge relief last night as she swam about a bit when I went to bed. Systems normal this morning as far as I can tell, I got a proper kicking at 5am and a bit more again now <relieved> smile

FriendofDorothy Sat 15-Mar-14 08:18:06

Going braless was fine until The Little Mister lay ok one of my boobs this morning. Ouch!

FriendofDorothy Sat 15-Mar-14 08:18:24

Lay on I mean. Bloody phone!

Morning folks, having got through pregnancy without having to wear a bra at night I'm now in one permanently - feels like I've got two zeppelins attached to my chest - ow!

We're still having some feeding issues here and my left nipple is utterly shredded <cries> I'm hoping the midwife says she's gained weight again today so I can feel better about how I'm muddling through. She is getting milk but at times it feels more like a battle to get her to latch on. I'm praying it gets easier! I'll probably try and go to a breastfeeding group next week when I'm feeling up to leaving the house.

MIL is visiting this morning to meet her granddaughter. I'm hoping it's a short visit!

MyNameIsWinkly Sat 15-Mar-14 09:00:24

Good luck with the MIL visit frank. Just what you need hmm Between now and getting out next week, people on MN always seem to recommend the Kellymom website for feeding troubles, and the site has a directory of support lines here. Sorry if you've done that already.

Ouch to the boob crushing dor!

Glad all is fine draf, must have been a relief to get a kicking smile

KatAndKit Sat 15-Mar-14 09:32:05

Has she been checked for tongue tie? Mini kit had one and bf so much easier after it was corrected. Can recommend la leche league for help. Phone helpline and perhaps there is someone local who can give support in person.

GingerScouse Sat 15-Mar-14 09:38:15

Lansinoh, Lansinoh, Lansinoh for the shredded nips frank. My friend swore by it when bfing her first.

And remember it's a learning curve for both of you.

eurochick Sat 15-Mar-14 09:47:49

Ouch to boob crushing and shredded nips!

I'm glad the Foal is gaining weight now frank. It sounds like you are doing a great job in some trying circumstances!

I'm quite "compact" (B cup pre-preg) so hope I can get through pregnancy without night support. I suspect if we have a hot summer another layer will be the last thing I want in the latter stages.

GingerScouse Sat 15-Mar-14 10:01:09

Don't think I'll have the luxury euro, I started at an E sad. Luckily they haven't really done anything much yet and I'm 18+3.

eurochick Sat 15-Mar-14 13:02:38

Have they changed your due date then ginge? By the list above, you are 8 days ahead of me, but if you are 18+3 today, you are 2 weeks and one day ahead of me.

Well following my post this morning, it appears we have a breakthrough! By coincidence I was browsing Kellymom anyway and found a few good links that have helped massively. I'm now completely ignoring the hold they showed me as it was just not working for us, and have found something so much better - she's latching much faster and it's not half as painful.

I'm also using Lansinoh by the bucketload - someone recommended starting to use it a few weeks before birth to help toughen things up. I've also got breast pads impregnated with the stuff and they're a big help.

Midwife has been and we've gained another 40g [hurrah] So all in all today is feeling like a good day. We may even brave a walk round the village later grin

GingerScouse Sat 15-Mar-14 14:01:35

Hoorah frank!

And yes, euro, it changed at my dating scan, EDD now 13th August.

ALittleFaith Sat 15-Mar-14 14:51:18

Oh that's great news Frank! Yes I do the opposite hold of what's suggested! Faithlet's neck in the crook of my elbow. Only way it was comfy for us.

I sleep in vests with boob support and have done since about being halfway diffed. Will be weird when I stop.

That's exactly what I'm doing Faith grin

Quick question, is there such a thing as a 5-day growth spurt? Madam has been feeding pretty much hourly since 8am! I know about the 10-12 day growth spurt but wasn't expecting one this early!

eurochick Sat 15-Mar-14 19:02:23

You've overtaken dor then ginge! I hope some more of the BESH will be joining us soon.

frank hurrah for cracking feeding.

I've spent the day down at Bluewater searching for something, anything, that might fit me as I am down to 2 jersey dresses and not much else for work now. I managed to get a couple of bits which should help for work until I can fill out mat wear.

KFZK dutifully trailed around after me. One funny interlude came as I tried on half of the maternity wear in Mothercare. There was one chair outside the changing rooms. He plonked himself on it. There were only 2 changing rooms and by the time I came out, there was a long queue. As we walked out of the shop I said I was surprised none of the queue of preggos wanted to sit. He went beetroot coloured and said he had been dicking around on his phone and hadn't thought to offer.... He's normally quite well trained and so was mortified and wanted to go back to apologise to the whole queue... Heh. Twonk.

ALittleFaith Sat 15-Mar-14 19:33:51

Not paying attention euro, eh?!

Frank most likely she is just establishing supply - the more she feeds, the more milk it tells your body to produce. I recommend cake, biscuits, lots of fluids and tv. I also liked having a kindle to read as she wound down in the evenings. The first few weeks are tough but long term it's totally worth it! smile

KatAndKit Sat 15-Mar-14 20:05:35

Great news that you have found a better feeding position. In my experience much of the first two or three months is a growth spurt, but yes, I think day 5 is likely to involve sitting with your norks out all day! Hopefully this will mean she will be back to birth weight quicker.

FriendofDorothy Sat 15-Mar-14 22:11:24

Bugger me. I feel absolutely massive tonight. I look about 7 months pregnant! The bump has arrived!

I have put a bra back on tonight! Decided I don't like the fact that my nips point to my toes these days and wearing a bra is more comfy for the massive norks!

Ooo you have overtaken me Ginge - cheeky!

GingerScouse Sun 16-Mar-14 04:48:44

[Grin] Not my fault, the midwife didn't believe my dates!

Plus odds are I'll have a tall baby anyway, I'm of average height but CGH is some kind of 6ft 4in giant.

Hooray for bump, I'm still hovering a bit between bump and just looking a bit chubby. Lots of stretching yesterday though, so maybe it'll make a move soon!

In irresponsible news, I'm off skiing for a week today, so I'll be a bit AWOL unless I can find free wifi out in Austria grin

evilgiraffe Sun 16-Mar-14 06:30:13

Have a nice time, ginge smile

Glad to hear E is feeding away happily, Frank!

Thanks, winks, yes, massive relief! She's still kicking away merrily, which is very reassuring even though I'm not yet quite back to normal.

In completely different news, it's all drama at the first race of the formula one season - I can't remember if any BESH/PESH give a crap, or if it's just me?

Draf I give a crap...it's all fascinating so far

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Sun 16-Mar-14 07:26:26

Well done on E's weight gain, frank and finding something that works for you. She is gorgeous!

I am intrigued by the bra-wearing to bed, it hadn't crossed my mind and I started at an E as well. I am now on an F, but it seems to be my middle back that is expanding, now. Which makes sense with the bump growth spurt and the pains. They've settled completely and Lembie has enjoyed the regained freedom by doing summersaults or so it feels.

Poor you draf at the lull in movement. The midwifes told me that you only really need to get concerned about movement changes from 27 weeks, which is nearly, isn't it?

I've hit third trimester, with two medical professionals (the midwife on Fri and a fysio on Thurs) telling me to take it easy and behave like a diffed person. So yesterday I slept for 2,5 hours in the afternoon. However, now I need to do the work that fell by the wayside in the no sleep, pain and general flapping on Friday. And I cannot be bothered!

evilgiraffe Sun 16-Mar-14 07:41:58

Yep, 26+3 today, driz. All seems to be okay, though, thankfully.

Hmm, work plus fitting in naps (and panic) is awkward! Prioritising your health is the best you can do, though.

I was wondering about your vests for sleeping, faith - they sound more comfy than sleeping in a bra. Could you put breast pads in them in case of leakage etc?

SinkyMalinks Sun 16-Mar-14 07:54:39

I sleep in soft sports bras, and have since early diffedness (really sore boobs were my main first tri symptom). I tried a maternity/nursing sleep bra (Emma Jane brand or something like that - but it's. Or really any good for big buzzum). So I have 2 increasingly bobbly sweaty Betty sports bras/crop tops. Would be absolutely no use to exercise in, but excellent for mooching round the house and sleeping in. I'm planning on wearing mine in the birthing pool (if this bugger ever makes a move and I wear anything grin )

In that news, I also do not reccomend the hot curry envy. I think I'm now going to avoid any old wives tales. Although I might try and convince ghj sex would be a good idea (mainly because it might be the last in a while...)

FriendofDorothy Sun 16-Mar-14 11:46:41

I am a big F1 fan. Especially as the whole family are involved in a fantasy competition so it is very competitive!

FriendofDorothy Sun 16-Mar-14 11:47:47

I wear Bravado bras to bed. I had some proper sleep bras but just found my boobs kind of slipped out!

evilgiraffe Sun 16-Mar-14 13:04:46

Ooo, is it Guess the Grid, dor? HOTB and me do that grin

Boobs slipping out is exactly what I was worrying about re sleeping in a bra - I napped in my underwear yesterday and was falling out of my normal bra so suspect the same would happen in a sleep bra. Crop tops sound like a good idea, sinks, but might be a PITA for night feeding? I'm a DD now, so not giant but definitely will be in need of something later on!

SinkyMalinks Sun 16-Mar-14 13:51:07

Oh yeah, totally useless for feeding. But invaluable during whilst a PESH (for me anyway!). The bravado bras are really soft, so would be comfy to sleep in. I have one, but I'm not sure how useful they'll be in the daytime - I'm currently a 32ff, and have medium (small is rec up to d cup I think) but the band is quite loose, and tbh, the cups only just big enough. And this is before baby's out (although my back has never gone up) and milk comes in. I suspect it'll not be supportive enough for daytime wear, so am loath to buy anymore, but think I'll need more than 1 bra!

FriendofDorothy Sun 16-Mar-14 16:56:06

With the Bravado bras I wear them on the tightest setting in the day and the loosest setting at night.

The Fantasy F1 over here is run as a charity event and several hundred people enter it. You have to choose 8 drivers and they are all given a cost - you get something like 80 million to fictionally spend. Then you get points for the place they come in the race and the one with the highest points wins!

It's quite fun and means that we are al much more interested. Last year The Mister came very close to winning the whole thing!

FriendofDorothy Sun 16-Mar-14 17:06:04

Oh I should say that I am a 40FF and you kind of get used to wearing bras that feel totally different to the ones you were wearing before you got pregnant/had a baby.

They aren't as tight I guess but much more comfortable!

TheBuggerlugs Sun 16-Mar-14 19:24:19

<Eyes up own bee sting like tits>

<Feels ashamed>

I sleep in a crop top type bra thing simply because it's comfy.

Hope the PESH are all well. Scan is tomorrow at 11.30am. Tonight I am filling my diary with plans. I really need to stop hiding from life and spending my evenings and weekends when GP is at work watching TV.

MsJupiter Sun 16-Mar-14 19:34:28

Will be thinking of you Bugs.

evilgiraffe Sun 16-Mar-14 21:35:42

Fingers crossed everything is fine, bugs. Try not to let worry keep you awake all night, if you can. <easier said than done>

MyNameIsWinkly Sun 16-Mar-14 21:44:20

Yes hope you get some sleep tonight bugs. Huge massive luck for tomorrow.

FriendofDorothy Sun 16-Mar-14 21:44:38

Heh. I have had big knockers even before I got pregnant. It's not all great - horrendous backache being just one problem!

Good luck for tomorrow bugs. If all is fine are you going to stop menkulling for a bit?

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Mon 17-Mar-14 07:17:12

Good luck today, bugs!

And you too, euro!!

<passes swordfish of strength to Bugs>

Euro is your app today?

eurochick Mon 17-Mar-14 08:20:36

Yep, mw coming this morning. smile Can't wait to hear the heartbeat (and will go menkul and book an emergency scan if she can't find it).

Good luck today bugs. I'll be thinking of you.

I am ready to kill KFZK. He was supposed to book our holiday. Our last luxury break as a couple. We had it selected ages ago. He finally got around to it last night. It had gone up £1500 (!!!) since Friday, when I last checked it was still available. His procrastination drives me bonkers. I can't believe we are paying that much more and getting exactly the same holiday. Grrrrr. It's not like we wouldn't have other uses for that money. But so few holidays are available now when we want to go, we have bitten the bullet and paid it. (BTW, I couldn't go ahead and book as I used my readily available cash to pay for the mw - we agreed I would pay for that and he would pay for the holiday.)

SinkyMalinks Mon 17-Mar-14 08:30:40

Good luck bugs. Fingers crossed for a behaving baby and an easy to find heartbeat euro.

You have my sympathies with the procrastination. Not the same scale, but fannying around has lead us to have to pay an extra £300 for a hotel room in nov. It's a wedding, ghj's an usher, there are no feasible other hotel options (luxury estate, wilds of Scotland). We were always going to book, but not bothering on Friday led to the hike on Sunday. And then a bit of chatter about holding off for the price to drop again... Annnnndddd. Don't ask about the pre baby kitchen improvements. Or fixing our hot water supply...

ALittleFaith Mon 17-Mar-14 08:34:14

Oh no euro! sad hope you hear a thumping heartbeat.

Good luck bugs. I hope this scan gives you the reassurance you need.

How are you feeling Sinky?

Love you differs!

KatAndKit Mon 17-Mar-14 08:45:32

Good luck bugs, really really hoping that today is good news for you!

TheBuggerlugs Mon 17-Mar-14 08:49:14

An extra 1500 quid Euro shock Our 10 day jaunt to Cyprus costs that in total, but I suppose the Maldives is a bit fancier.

Thanks for the good luck wishes. I am pretty sure I will chill out more if all is ok today. We've decided we will fully embrace it and tell our families and even buy something for the baby. The rate of MC at 8 weeks after HB seen is only a tiny bit higher than at 12 weeks. (something like 2% instead of 1%). I just feel really normal. I have a few crampy twinges too, really mild but sort of just 'there'. My books say that at 8 weeks cramps can be felt as things start growing. Either way, by mid day we'll know. confused

FriendofDorothy Mon 17-Mar-14 08:53:47

I think those stretching and cramping movements are totally normal.

I still start feeling a bit mental in the lead up to scans etc. I think about all the what ifs, but all I have realised now is it makes me feel sick.

Hang in there. I am sure all will be fine and if it is then you must chill out a bit!

MyNameIsWinkly Mon 17-Mar-14 09:36:02

Bloody hell euro, 1500 extra quid! And I'm faffing about a 900 quid holiday at the end of September! Best you have an amazing time smile Good luck for today. What time is your appointment?

bugs I refused to buy anything for the baby until after 20 weeks, so if you buy now you'll be braver than me! Agreed that cramps are very normal.

sinks grrr to GHJ not pulling his finger out. He needs a kick up the arse. Take it there's no news on cervix watch? merks?

eurochick Mon 17-Mar-14 09:52:37

Appointment is at 10, but mw has called to say that she will be late as she has just been snatching a bit of sleep after attending a birth last night! That's fine - I'd rather that than reschedule as I have been fixated on this appointment for a while.

bugs I keep telling myself I will embrace it after hitting the next milestone, but I haven't yet! I walked through to the maternity wear at the back of Mothercare on Saturday refusing to let myself look at the teeny tiny clothes, etc. My joke about sending KFZK out with a long list when I am in labour might turn into reality!

I've had loads of weird stretching pains and twinges. The only ones that give me any cause for concern are the period type cramps that come in waves. I've only had those twice - early on in my 3 week bleed when it was at its heaviest, and last week when I had a mini-menkul about them! The latter was around the time my bump really popped, so I think it was just everything shifting around.

KFZK finally apologised this morning after I had a bit of a moan about his procrastination. Apparently, it is partly my fault because I remind him of things in the morning before work, or by sending an email when we are both at work, and he is incapable of retaining that information and I need to be telling him to do things in the evenings when he has time. FFS. He is 39 and has a responsible job. Surely he can hold on to a request until he is able to fulfil it. Twonk. Still, I need to put it behind me now and just think about the totes amazeballs holiday we have booked. sinks I'm sorry that you have a costly procrastinator too.

BTW, I fully accept that we are spending a ridiculous amount on a holiday (and have never spent this much before), but we are justifying it as our last sprog-free one and wanted to make it really special. Plus, due to more procrastination and the December IVF, we missed out on a late 2013 break and ended up staycationing, so we are combining the budget for that with what we would have spent on this year's holiday. But still didn't plan on spending quite this much...

MyNameIsWinkly Mon 17-Mar-14 10:01:26

KFZK sounds a lot like HWCA. Same ages, HWCA freaked out this morning as I tried to send him to the supermarket with the instruction 'veg to go in curry.' He can't walk round the bloody veg section and think yeah, that'll do. Ffs.

When do you go away euro? I feel like I haven't had a holiday in forever. Did you get any clothes at the weekend? I am considering popping into London today to get some tops but don't think I can be arsed.

SinkyMalinks Mon 17-Mar-14 10:09:40

God! don't apologise for spending as much as you want on a holiday Euro, you bloody deserve it!

You're sounding very sensible/level headed bugs. Don't worry about lack of symptoms. Not long to go. Let us know.

Cervix watch is borrrrrrrring. Can't really walk. Certainly can't walk more than a mile per hour or for any distance due to the bowling ball effect and my new found need to be within 10 steps of a loo at all times. So baby is low. Fully engaged. And still horribly uncomfortable due to, I guess, practice contractions. But no progress.

Arrrrrrrgh! I will not be repeating the curry test again though. Not so much for me, but I can't bear ghj's resultant wind again grin

Going for a walk today with a toddler. I think she might out pace me, even with the inevitable stone/floor fluff inspection every second step.

Did somebody say Maldives? <jealous face> its one if my favourite places on earth
The procrastination is exactly like VVTM, either I end up doing stuff myself or I have to nag like hell and remind him all the time which makes me feel like his mum grrr
Any sign of this midwife yet?

FrankelandFilly Mon 17-Mar-14 10:56:21

Wotcha Hags! Just swinging by to say good luck to both Euro and Bugs for today's appointments.

We're doing ok here, feeding is still a bit of a struggle but I'm hoping to get to a breastfeeding group this week to ask for advice and support.

My parents are arriving this afternoon for a 2 day visit, so fingers crossed everyone survives wink

Will pop by later to see how things have gone.

<leaves Raspberry Leaf Tea and pineapple for Sinks and Merks>

Love the name change Frank grin

TheBuggerlugs Mon 17-Mar-14 12:10:44

No wonder I've been bloody starving. Buglet measuring bang on 9 weeks and even has little arms!!!! I cried, and cried and screeched "It's got a heartbeat" at the screen!!!!!

We've decided to tell family this week grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin

KatAndKit Mon 17-Mar-14 12:16:40

OMG!!!!!!! Nekkid dancing time!! I am so so happy for you!

FrankelandFilly Mon 17-Mar-14 12:16:48

Oh Bugs I'm so happy for you grin grin grin grin Hurrah for the rapidly expanding Buglet and his/her heartbeat. Enjoy telling the family grin

Great news Bugs. Time to throw plan b list out of the window grin

eurochick Mon 17-Mar-14 12:19:41

Hurrah bugs. That's brilliant news. grin

Wink I got a few bits at the weekend. Zara had some elasticated waist trousers that don't look too grannyish and should see me through some work days. Dorothy Perkins has very stretchy tube maxis for �18, so I got one of those too (not for work but it just seemed like a good idea). Not as much as I hoped for, but I'm getting there. I'm going to do an order from the envie de fraises site that I think it was merk mentioned on the thread I started about the difficulty of finding suitable work clothes for pregnancy.

merk that's exactly it - I hate nagging. I just want to be able to say "I'm taking care of a, can you take care of b" and leave it at that. Grrr.

I love the name change frank. I hope the visit goes well.

sink I love your description of the toddler walk! How amazing that the world is such a wonderous place at that age.

My mw appointment was fine. BP and wee all normal. It took her a while to find the heartbeat, but she managed to get it in the end. Phew smile And the doppler picked up quite a few swipes too - I don't think centime likes being listened to!

MyNameIsWinkly Mon 17-Mar-14 12:20:10

Oh bugs I'm so so pleased smile smile smile smile

MyNameIsWinkly Mon 17-Mar-14 12:22:11

Cross posted - hurrah for a healthy heartbeat and a grumpy centime! Mine isn't too keen on monitoring either, no swipes but a clear determination to shift about so much a scan or a listen in is impossible.

FriendofDorothy Mon 17-Mar-14 12:35:16


Now, remember this feeling. Don't forget it, because your symptoms will fluctuate and you will think things are going on. Less than ouchy boobs is not a good indicator of things going wrong.

I am delighted for you.

evilgiraffe Mon 17-Mar-14 12:59:29

Hooray, you're both fine, bugs and euro! Or should I say, all four of you are! Excellent news grin

Mine doesn't give a crap about monitoring - at the last scan she fell asleep so I had to do loads of jiggling to try and roll her over so the sonographer could do the last couple of measurements smile I have my fingers crossed that this tendency towards doziness lasts past birth!

TheBuggerlugs Mon 17-Mar-14 13:22:13

Great news Euro what a wonderful sound that must have been.

Right ladies I need some help. Through the IVF I listened to Zita West woo CD and really liked it and don't have anything to use. I'd like a nice relaxing CD to listen to when I can feel the menkul creeping in. Any suggestions?

KatAndKit Mon 17-Mar-14 13:26:49

Natal hypnotherapy. They have a pregnancy relaxation CD and then a birth preparation CD for use later on.

TheBuggerlugs Mon 17-Mar-14 13:42:25

Excellent, Will it come up if I search Google for it?

KatAndKit Mon 17-Mar-14 13:53:21

Website is natalhypnotherapy.co.UK, you can download now it seems so no need to buy actual CDs if you are going to be using it on your phone or whatever.

Great news Euro grin

TheBuggerlugs Mon 17-Mar-14 14:34:32

Thanks Kat, as always the PESH are the fountain of knowledge. smile

I'm still in total shock and want to shout from the rooftops grin

SinkyMalinks Mon 17-Mar-14 14:55:42

Brilliant news bugs! Delighted! And glad centime behaved Euro

This morning was spent flying to the moon, looking for aliens and toy soldiers and space jumping. Despite helping toddler manage the space jumps, this bump is still not for moving!

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Mon 17-Mar-14 15:57:56

Just: HURRAH for centime and bugsby. So happy for you both.

grin at your day of toddler company, sinks. It sounds delightful!

Nokkie73 Mon 17-Mar-14 16:49:05

euro and bugs muchos muchos congratulations. I am so pleased for you both. It is so reassuring when you actually see/hear them and...suddenly...it all becomes real. You are both going to be called mummy by someone really soon. Awesome.

sinks c'mon with the sprog please !!

franks I found boob school quite useful when I dropped-in a couple of times. It was like Tit Central though and some of the knockers were bloody extraordinary. I saw one woman whose boobs could have been scooped out and used as a houseboat, they were that mahoosive.

MyNameIsWinkly Mon 17-Mar-14 17:05:52

grin at boob school!

sinks that sounds like a great day, if somewhat exhausting.

On Saturday I visited friends, their SIL was also there, and also due at the end of June. I looked like a fucking beached whale next to her. I had felt pretty good in the morning, shaved legs, hair and makeup done, but after that I just felt like shit. And still do.

MsJupiter Mon 17-Mar-14 17:34:28

Amazing news bugs, so pleased for you.

eurochick Mon 17-Mar-14 17:38:35

Thanks all. I might go in for a bit of woo listening too. smile

noks you do have the most wonderful turn of phrase. grin

sink I wager you are positively blooming.

FrankelandFilly Mon 17-Mar-14 19:08:26

grin @ boob school. We're going on Thursday, HWHNN phoned them as I had another mini meltdown blush the very nice lady said I should come along as it sounds like classic tongue tie, despite the midwives in the hospital saying she looked fine hmm

KatAndKit Mon 17-Mar-14 19:09:54

Nobody in my hospital, including a paediatrician, diagnosed the tongue tie. It was in fact my sister in law that noticed it!

ALittleFaith Mon 17-Mar-14 19:43:49

First of all, congratulations! bugs, what a wonderful reaction to such great news. Run that moment through every day.

Euro I'm so glad she found the heart beat. I cried when I heard Faithlet's for the first time!

frank if it is tongue tie at least there's something they can do. I think Abigail has upper lip tie - latch was never great and is still slightly off on the right. Also her teeth have come through with a gap. We have our 8-12 month check soon and I'll mention it but I think it's too late to do anything about it.

TheBuggerlugs Mon 17-Mar-14 19:54:02

Thank you everyone. You lot are bloody amazing.

My cat has suspected kidney failure. She's only 4 and we have no idea whats caused it. Possibly poison such as anti freeze or lillies or she's been born with it. There's a chance I'll have to go say goodbye tonight sad

evilgiraffe Mon 17-Mar-14 20:10:27

Aww, poor kitty sad Here's hoping it turns out not to be so serious, or that's it's treatable if it is <hugs>

Hope all goes well at boob school, Frank, sounds like it could be really helpful.

We got a letter from the NCT today (classes start in a fortnight, holy shit) - it basically is just a sheet of paper to write questions on. It's rather adorable, really, the thought that we could afford the classes but not have the means to record any questions we might have...

MsJupiter Mon 17-Mar-14 20:21:49

MWs, HV, paediatrician and bf counsellors all repeatedly told me L didn't have tongue tie, until at 11 weeks we were seen by a specialist and found he did. I would insist on a referral.

eurochick Mon 17-Mar-14 20:39:02

Oh no bugs. Poor kitty. I hope she will surprise you. x

I find it amazing that tongue tie isn't checked for routinely. It seems so common and can make bf so hard.

MyNameIsWinkly Mon 17-Mar-14 20:43:25

Sorry about your cat bugs. Such a shit thing, with such a young kitty, and especially when you should be having a fantastic day sad

As for me, I'm off. I luffs you all but I don't think the ESH freds (etc) are the place for me. I'll still be on MN (tho under a namechange), and I'll be on t'other place if anyone wants to say hi.

Goodbye and good luck flowers

evilgiraffe Mon 17-Mar-14 20:48:10

You wot? Everything okay, winks? I'll miss you sad

SinkyMalinks Mon 17-Mar-14 20:49:45

You alright Winks?

eurochick Mon 17-Mar-14 21:00:24

Eh what? <baffled> I hope everything is ok.

TheBuggerlugs Mon 17-Mar-14 21:04:55

Winks I hope everything is ok my love.

Kitty is on intensive fluid therapy over night and will know tomorrow if she will make it.

eurochick Mon 17-Mar-14 21:24:37

Fingers crossed bugs.

SinkyMalinks Mon 17-Mar-14 21:26:45

I'll give my boy an extra hard stroke tonight bugs and try not to get too annoyed when he comes for food cuddles at 3am. Poor girl.

TheBuggerlugs Tue 18-Mar-14 08:02:41

Morning hags. For the first time this year I've woken up with a lovely spring in my step, I feel so alive!!

Still waiting for news on the cat, obviously will be devastated if it's bad news. Hoping to get an update shortly.

SinkyMalinks Tue 18-Mar-14 08:22:36

Bugs, I really hope cat is improving, you really deserve some untainted good news. Sinky cat has shown his support by vomiting all over the living room carpet. At least that's how I'm choosing to interpret it.

So. EDD is here. And so am I and bump. I have run out of old wives takes, so I'm just going to camp out in John Lewis' for the forseable to see if I can at least get the fabled "waters breaking bonus"

FriendofDorothy Tue 18-Mar-14 08:35:19

Good luck sinks.

Anyone know what happened to winks? I am worried about her sad

SinkyMalinks Tue 18-Mar-14 08:45:00

Fanks. Sleeping has hit an all time low. GHJ, bless him, is refusing to decamp to the spare room and so is also knackered. I think I'd prefer he was able to work and be fresh for bumps arrival...

KatAndKit Tue 18-Mar-14 08:56:30

No idea dor. She seems to have left group on Facebook too. I hope everything is ok

TheBuggerlugs Tue 18-Mar-14 09:59:11

Cat has been on a massive amount of fluids overnight and has perked up a lot and eaten. Bloods to be run again later today to test kidney function. She's a little fighter that one.

Sinks says thanks to your cat for me. They love a good spew don't they! Oh and sod John Lewis, get thee to Selfridges grin

SinkyMalinks Tue 18-Mar-14 10:21:34

Great news about cat! Do they have any idea what caused it? Is this what antifreeze/lillies do? Sinky cat is tearing around the house for no good reason. I've left him peering out from his vantage point under the bath (after he's pulled the side off..)

If I can get free stuff from selfridges, I'll be quite happy to alternate between the 2..

TheBuggerlugs Tue 18-Mar-14 10:37:03

Dribbling amniotic fluid as you go grin

Lillies and anti freeze cause renal failure. Normally once it's discovered it's too late. There are no lillies out at the moment so it's either anti freeze or something she was born with. She's a teeny tiny cat, only 2kg and was the runt. She's never been a big eater so could have always suffered a bit.

eurochick Tue 18-Mar-14 10:50:39

Hurrah for fighter kitty! I'm imagining her a bit like this:


I'm worried about winks. It was all rather sudden. I've seen this happen before but usually after someone is attacked or falls out with another poster. This one came completely out of the blue as far as I can tell.

SinkyMalinks Tue 18-Mar-14 11:23:38

That's sort of what I meant bugs- I thought antifreeze was pretty much game over once the kidneys failed. Very glad that's not the case for your cat.

I'm also worried about winks. I've not seen any badness, but only tend to hang out here. Hopefully she just needs some head space. Given she's done and dusted the 20 week scan, hopefully there's no problem with her little girl.

I have done shopping with no fluid leakage. Very disappointing. I am now driving an hour to see a friend. I have my notes but no bag. And, as my mum has pointed out, no towel for my seat should my waters go. I'm trying to make circumstances v inconvenient should I go into labour. That's got to get things going, right?

evilgiraffe Tue 18-Mar-14 11:33:54

That's exactly what I thought, euro. I don't go on the BESH freds any more - there hasn't been anything going on there, has there? It's a complete surprise.

The thing with antifreeze is it binds beautifully with alcohol dehydrogenase, if I remember correctly, and then the products of the chemical breakdown include hydrogen peroxide, I think - not fun. If you catch anything drinking it, saturating the enzyme with alcohol (vodka is nice and simple) is the best thing you can do. Obviously if they're not caught in the act you don't know what's wrong until that remedy is no longer helpful, though. Could your cat have got into someone's house and brushed up against cut lilies, bugs? It's one of the reasons I'm really grateful my cats are decrepit and barely go anywhere any more - much less worry!

Inconvenience is bound to work, sinks. Good luck!

TheBuggerlugs Tue 18-Mar-14 11:39:51

No idea to be honest. She's a timid little thing and out of the 3 cats the least likely to go near strangers. She hides whenever anyone comes round. We may never know what's. caused this and she may have perked up simply due to the drip, we still don't know if her kidneys are doing their job. Its all very sudden and strange.

Re Winks, she hasn't been onto BESH for a while. I will probably start to post there less as it's not really fair now I'm diffed.

Sinks I am also trying all the tempting fate scenarios I can. I drove across London with no notes today in the hope Sods Law would kick in. It didn't. Seems as though I'm miles off as she is not staying in my wonky pelvis long enough to do any good

SinkyMalinks Tue 18-Mar-14 18:44:22

Nice try "merk*. Sad to say I also managed journey there and back without going into labour. Meh. Shall try some vigorous gardening tomorrow, there are some leaves that need sweeping up.

FriendofDorothy Tue 18-Mar-14 21:21:04

I hope I am not speaking out of turn, but I have managed to catch up with Winks. She is fine, just needs a bit if breathing space. I don't think anything particular set her off so she is OK.

KatAndKit Tue 18-Mar-14 21:30:02

That's nice to know that all is well. To be honest I had a spell of hardly posting much, just needed to menkul less and get on with real life more. Hopefully she will come back and update us on the birth of her little girl.

TheBuggerlugs Tue 18-Mar-14 21:36:50

I've only been a PESH a few weeks and I've already left and returned twice so I totally understand the overwhelmed feeling!! Hopefully Winks will come back when she feels ready.

I think the early diffment bloating has started. My work trousers that were lovely and loose last time I wore them were quite tight today and my tummy is hard and stuck out. I know this is a combination of wind/ poop/ food etc but Its quite nice to have a pretend bump grin

GP and I discussed my maternity leave tonight. Scary shit.

TheBuggerlugs Wed 19-Mar-14 09:57:50

Oh fuck. Teeniest bit of red blood when I wipe, like tiny. Scan was only 2 days ago so I'm pretty certain that if it has died my body wouldn't recognise it already and my other mc's all started off brown.

I've put a pesserie in and will try to ignore it. In hindsight it could be down to them so should have used back door. Bugger.

Hand hold needed.

<Proffers hand & grips toe>

Was your scan a dilcocam? I was pre warned with my early dildocams that they can disturb things and cause a bit of blood. Rather than menkulling can you call your clinic now and see what they suggest.
It will be nothing to worry about i'm certain

KatAndKit Wed 19-Mar-14 10:08:27

I have had spotting every time. Have you had sex recently? If not could have been inserting the pessary. Obviously there are never any guarantees but your scans have shown the baby is growing well so the chance of it being a miscarriage is very low. Given your history though I am sure the clinic won't mind you calling them.

Are you 100% sure about where the blood is coming from? I have had plenty of blood on the paper episodes but most of them had nothing to do with my cervix!

TheBuggerlugs Wed 19-Mar-14 10:13:31

Yes the scan was a dildo cam but it wasn't particularly rough. I know it could be something bad or equally nothing at all to worry about. Its really knocked the happy feeling I had! I even woke up in the night feeling excited.

I'll monitor it without furkling, with the baby at 9 weeks there will be no mistaking it if it's a mc. Oh bollocks.

SinkyMalinks Wed 19-Mar-14 10:21:08

Remember bugs, the cervix changes in pregnancy! and can bleed easily. For all the reasons said, this is probably nothing. But, ring the clinic if you're worried.

How's cat today? Can you both snuggle on the sofa and chill?

SinkyMalinks Wed 19-Mar-14 10:21:42

Rogue exclamation mark there...

TheBuggerlugs Wed 19-Mar-14 10:24:06

Cat is totally back to her old cheeky self. I was going to take the dog for a long walk but I'm going to sit on the sofa instead. Thank god I'm not at work today, I'm annoyed I out another pesserie in without thinking so will probably get more blood today but I'll change from tonight and hopefully it will ease. We were going to tell it grandparents tomorrow but I've gone back into a state of fear so don't want to.

TheBuggerlugs Wed 19-Mar-14 11:01:17

Spoken to the clinic. They say it's more than likely as a result of the scan and fanny bullets so to switch to back door use and do both at night. Said to forget about it and not worry (easier said than done) but to take it easy. If the baby had died since Monday my body wouldn't recognise it and expel it for ages.

I don't suppose the blood thinners I'm on will help!

She also said that I wouldn't normally get a 12 week scan as a viable pregnany has been confirmed by them so told me to push for one when I see my midwife on Friday. If I don't get one through the NHS I'll pay for one, there is no way I can wait another 10 weeks for a scan.

SinkyMalinks Wed 19-Mar-14 12:19:40

Really bugs? I've never heard that before (from other PESH). I though the 12 week scan was always done got dating, hence the angst when ivf/IUI dates and scan don't match. I'd have thought not having the 12 scan would cause the midwives all sorts of headaches! (I've found they really don't like deviation from their normal - my LMP has been documented as in June, as March was "just silly")

KatAndKit Wed 19-Mar-14 12:48:43

ERM, is the 12 week scan not when they have to do the nuchal fold test? It isn't just about dating. Even though I have never been too fussed about the downs screening, I have always accepted it just to get the scan. Tell your midwife you want the screening and if it is standard in your area you will get it.

SinkyMalinks Wed 19-Mar-14 12:51:47

Kat makes a very valid point! blush. The PESH have spoken. You need a 12 week scan.

TheBuggerlugs Wed 19-Mar-14 13:50:17

Fear not PESH I have zero intention of taking no for an answer so am sure I'll get one. I'm seeing my midwife on Friday so will know then. There has been no more blood since first thing and it really was a teeny bit so I'm starting to get my happy bubble back a bit.

Jeez this shiz is hardcore!

eurochick Wed 19-Mar-14 20:41:16

Yes, most areas offer the nuchal so you should get a scan for that reason (if you want it). I had mine privately as part of the Harmony package, so that is another option if the NHS is difficult about it.

I hope the bleeding has stopped. I moved to the back door when mine 3 week extravaganza started. I didn't want any irritation of my cervix to not be helping matters.

How are sinky and merks doing?

Nothing happening here I'm afraid. Eating like a horse and peeing like one too. Am on loo paper watch (after having stopped that eventually after the bfp) but no signs of her wanting to evacuate her current home. VVTM suggests that's because my waters are made up entirely of chocolate (about 50% of my current diet) but realistically its because of my wonky pelvis

SinkyMalinks Wed 19-Mar-14 22:34:17

Chocolate waters? Interesting theory grin. Am also still here and on plug watch. Midwife tomorrow. Sweep and induction date. And am changing tack and taking it easy. Walking miles, gardening etc has done nothing. So I'm going to sit on my arse, watch homes under the hammer and count down the next 10 days.

TheBuggerlugs Wed 19-Mar-14 22:52:48

No more blood since this morning thankfully so I'll put it down to a one off. Have been told by the clinic to do both bullets at the same time via back door with the aid of ky jelly..... Urgh is all I can say. I might go back to twelve hours apart from Friday as two at once is not nice and I'm only on 2 a day until Tuesday then one a day for a further 2 weeks.

evilgiraffe Thu 20-Mar-14 07:38:41

Glad to hear there's no more spotting smile Regarding scans, it was never even discussed whether I would/wouldn't get a 12-week scan - it was just assumed I would like everyone else. Because being an IVF pregnancy doesn't make you special or different, care during pregnancy is just the same, as it should be. The only reason (as far as I know) they do an early scan is (a) to stop the menkul, and (b) to check it's not an ectopic. How weird of the clinic to suggest otherwise hmm

KatAndKit Thu 20-Mar-14 12:09:42

Bleugh. Glucose tolerance test was horrid. Feel sick as now. Perhaps someone needs to lay a baybee today to cheer me up? I have popcorn and victory cigars!

SinkyMalinks Thu 20-Mar-14 12:57:19

Ha! Would love to oblige, but not sure I'm going to be of any use. Sweep (hopefully) today though, so maybe soon?

<resolutely optimistic>

evilgiraffe Thu 20-Mar-14 13:18:20

I've got my GTT on Monday, Kat <glum> What does it involve, again? Fast the night before, blood test, glucose drink(?), wait an hour, blood test, wait another hour, blood test? Are you allowed food again somewhere in all that, or do you have to keep fasting through the test timepoints?

evilgiraffe Thu 20-Mar-14 13:19:12

You never know, sink! <thinks dilatory thoughts> grin

KatAndKit Thu 20-Mar-14 13:41:23

I had to fast from 9pm, arrive at hospital at 8.30, blood test, drink the drink and then sit still on a hard chair for 2 hours before being retested. Only water allowed till the second blood test so that was 14 hours of fasting! Feel better after Starbucks lunch though smile the glucose drink made me burp non stop for nearly an hour!

TheBuggerlugs Thu 20-Mar-14 14:00:37

Does everyone has the glucose test? It sounds pretty awful.

KatAndKit Thu 20-Mar-14 14:17:21

No it is mainly for fat elderly differs. If you don't have any reason for them to test you for diabetes you will probably escape it. I never had it last time and I am not fatter now but I am 35 now.

SinkyMalinks Thu 20-Mar-14 14:17:52

I didn't. At booking the midwife thought I would, because of the pcos, but apparently that's old guidelines- although I think some areas still do it for that.

evilgiraffe Thu 20-Mar-14 14:27:54

I'm just heavy, bugs - despite midwives' incredulity, it seems I have a high enough BMI to warrant the GTT. It comes of being short and heavy-set, I think, I've never been on the light side even when I was quite slender.

Thanks, Kat, that's useful! I'll make sure to take my book... And maybe a sandwich for as soon as I'm allowed to eat! Are there just the two blood tests, or three?

KatAndKit Thu 20-Mar-14 14:34:54

I just had two, two hours apart. Different hospitals might have different procedure though.

SinkyMalinks Thu 20-Mar-14 16:45:18

Had sweep. Was fine. Now more waiting. Induction booked for 31st. Feels like this baby is never coming out.

Sinks did they give you any indication of the state of your cervix? <nosy> also was the induction booking a conversation/option or a done deal?

Frank - hope today went well with the bf people - did it help? How you getting on otherwise?

SinkyMalinks Thu 20-Mar-14 18:29:03

Cervix low and soft. 1cm dilated but still a neck so needs to shorten further. Head less engaged than last week hmm 2/5 now rather than 1/5. No such thing as tmi with the PESH! She managed a "good" sweep though, and am getting plenty of contractions now, so we'll see. Think that's quite common though, so not raising my hopes.

I was asked if I was happy for a sweep today, and have been booked again for next week. I agreed to induction, but knew I would so don't know what the options would be if I'd refused. The date was not my choice -I still want my march baby!

FrankelandFilly Thu 20-Mar-14 18:48:33

Sinks sorry to hear baby is not showing signs of shifting, thinking lots of dilatory thoughts for you.

Boob Skool was good thanks, the consultant helped with my latch and technique and had a good look at E. She said she has a minor tongue-tie which is of the type that can resolve itself as she grows but has given me a referral to a NHS specialist to give to my GP. She said the waiting list is about 3 weeks so it may have sorted itself in which case we can cancel the referral. She also said the lack of poo (4 days since the last dirty nappy) might be because she's not getting to the fatty hind milk, which should keep her bowels moving. They've shown me some baby massage techniques that can help with constipation/wind so I'm going to try those, otherwise it's off to the GP tomorrow for a suppository, poor little mite.

In other news, and I'm sure you'll understand if I go "off radar" for a while, we've found out today that HWHNN is being deployed to the desert place beginning with A on 1st June. To say I'm devastated is an understatement. He'll be gone for 6 months, returning in December, plus he also has to do a month's worth of pre-deployment training in Germany during May and we've no guarantees that he'll get home every weekend. So I'm facing a significant portion of the rest of the year as a single parent and at the moment I'm alternating between crying and wondering how the hell I'm going to cope.

It all truly sucks sad

Oh Frank that's fucking horrible, I'm so sorry. I really am lost for words.
Glad to hear today helped though

SinkyMalinks Thu 20-Mar-14 19:17:12

Oh frank. That's shit. I have several friends with similar jobs. Do the powers that be know how little the foal is? 6 months is such a long time sad

TheBuggerlugs Thu 20-Mar-14 19:24:16

Oh Frank that's so shite. I'm really sorry you're in this position. You will be brilliant on your own though and will cope perfectly. You will be able to keep a lovely journal of E to share with him but I know it's no where near the same as him being there. thanks

FrankelandFilly Thu 20-Mar-14 19:25:50

They do know, it's not a factor in their planning considerations. Even if I was pregnant it wouldn't make a difference, they'd just say they'd let him come back for 2 weeks once I'd given birth.

KatAndKit Thu 20-Mar-14 20:41:52

Frank i am sorry about the desert trip. A friend of mine had the same happen to her when her baby was 7 months. Only a 4 month trip not 6 but still, it is a crappy thing to happen. You will cope though, you'll be great. Do you have any support where you live?

eurochick Thu 20-Mar-14 21:02:58

I was scheduled by my NHS mw to have the GTT. Not sure why. Probably because I am a geriatric differ. I was in 2 minds. I will struggle enormously with fasting, and my blood sugar will crash, but maybe that is a reason to have it? However, I have been living with my odd blood sugar for 20+ years and know how to keep it stable. My private mw doesn't want me to have (presumably that would change if my pee indicated sugars).

sinks you still have loads of time to go into labour yourself. Loads. And most women do.

frank that is shit. The same thing happened to my BIL. That was a 6 month tour too, although he did get a break for R&R in the middle. He missed his baby's first birthday while he was away. sad His wife is far less of a coper than you and had a bit of a meltdown but managed. You will be fine. But it's still shit. x

FriendofDorothy Thu 20-Mar-14 21:17:28

Oh Franks I am sorry and that is shitty.

Whilst I know it doesn't help with practical stuff we will always be here for you to let of steam etc.

FriendofDorothy Thu 20-Mar-14 21:21:02

Oh I have to have the GTT too. It's cos I am fat.

Sorry Sinks, looks like I'm going to beat you to it. My waters have gone

ALittleFaith Fri 21-Mar-14 05:39:39

Oooh good luck Merk! Have you told the hospital?

SinkyMalinks Fri 21-Mar-14 06:47:46

arse! grin

How're you getting merk? You know we demand blow by blow updates..

SinkyMalinks Fri 21-Mar-14 06:48:52

Holy crap. And on your EDD as well! You've bred some crazy punctual child!

evilgiraffe Fri 21-Mar-14 07:55:19

Oh, merk, how exciting! <waves pompoms>

That sounds utterly shit, Frank, I'm so sorry the powers that be are sending HWHNN away for so long sad

TheBuggerlugs Fri 21-Mar-14 08:52:44

Good luck Merks and hopefully you won't be too far behind Sinks.

I had a dream last night that I trekked round loads of shops trying to find the biggest most comfy knickers I could! grin

I'm seeing my midwife today to book in, I hope she's luffly.

Also we told the Grandparents last night. GPs Grandad just said "Are you going to keep this one" GP was so embarrassed. I was like hmm

He meant well but it came across badly. Bloody OAPs

FrankelandFilly Fri 21-Mar-14 10:13:07

Thanks everyone, I'm trying very hard to pull myself together but it's not easy.

Merks hope all is progressing well and hope things get shifting soon Sinks

Baby arrived an hour ago. All fine, update later

evilgiraffe Fri 21-Mar-14 10:49:13

Hooray! Congratulations, merk, fantastic news grin thanks

eurochick Fri 21-Mar-14 10:53:24

merk bloody hell, that was quick! Congratulations. I'm looking forward to hearing all the details (and maybe seeing a pic?) later. Enjoy the snuggles. x

bugs I am shock at that comment!

ALittleFaith Fri 21-Mar-14 10:58:33

Oh congratulations Merk! thanks

FrankelandFilly Fri 21-Mar-14 12:47:34

Well done Merks, hope you're feeling ok and all is well.

TheBuggerlugs Fri 21-Mar-14 12:55:37

MERKS!!!!! grin grin grin grin smile smile smile smile

Epic speedy birth, well done you Mrs.
Sinks No pressure BUT it's you next then on to the Juners!

GingerScouse Fri 21-Mar-14 13:22:46

Well done that merks!

Looking forward to hearing more.

Austria is awesome, I'm so glad we came and I've been able to do as much skiing as I would normally do anyway. Baby is finding it very interesting, if the frequency of kicking is any indication!

KatAndKit Fri 21-Mar-14 14:03:17

Wow Merk! You got that done quickly! Congratulations!! Looking forward to hearing more, expect you are a bit busy right now smile

TheBuggerlugs Fri 21-Mar-14 14:34:06

Euro when you switched the pesseries to back door use did you notice an increase in bloat? I feel like a swollen person today.

eurochick Fri 21-Mar-14 16:00:36

Not that I recall, bugs but I switched when I had full on evil crampy heavy red bleeding and thought I was mcing, so I was a bit distracted. I was very bloated in the first tri though. My stomach used to blow up through the day (which it always has a bit due to IVF but this was something else). I can't remember if it was better before the switch though.

TheBuggerlugs Fri 21-Mar-14 16:17:20

Thanks Euro. I'm gonna switch back I think.

I'm officially booked in. Just seen my midwife, well technically my midwifes holiday cover. She was young and very bubbly/ care free. Next scan and NT test on 11th April so a whole 3 weeks away. She said the risk of MC after seeing a HB at 9 weeks was about 1% and also said I won't get a bump until about 20 weeks which I'm slightly disappointed by.

FriendofDorothy Fri 21-Mar-14 19:20:06

Well done Merks!!!

I can't remember what flavour you were having.

eurochick Fri 21-Mar-14 21:05:32

bugs just eat more cake. I had a visible bump at 10 or so weeks after necking loads of carbs to keep me from vomming!

FrankelandFilly Fri 21-Mar-14 21:28:02

Just looking back through my pregnancy photos, I had a small bump at 14 weeks and by 17 weeks it was definitely noticeable.

Things are a little better Chez Frankel today, E has finally had a poo - her first in 5 days which is a huge relief. Also we've been told today that HWHNN doesn't need to go to Germany for his pre-deployment training so we get a bit more time together as a family before he heads off. We're trying to put in place a support network of people I can rely on while he is away, so I'm very up for lots of PESH/BESH meet ups to keep me sane for the next few months!

KatAndKit Fri 21-Mar-14 21:43:47

Aaah that is good news on both counts. Was it a nice white outfit that finally did the trick?!

FrankelandFilly Fri 21-Mar-14 21:50:00

It was grin, she also managed to wee all over herself while we were cleaning her up!

We are home and all fine. Birth was an adventure, but I suspect exactly what many would want, 7.5 hours from first contraction to delivery, 0 to 7cm at home, 2 paracetamol and delivered in the pool (gas made me puke immediately). She's a chunky one (8.10oz) called Edie. Can't do pic right now as on the phone but will do tomorrow. Breast feeding is tough! But we've already had 4 pooey nappies so the other end works fine!

KatAndKit Fri 21-Mar-14 22:44:51

That sounds like a textbook birth! Bet it is nice to be home again though smile enjoy cuddling up with your snuggly bundle

FriendofDorothy Fri 21-Mar-14 23:12:39

Edie. How lovely! Sounds like a perfect birth.

cherrycoconut Fri 21-Mar-14 23:18:43

Moonlighting in to say a big 'ol fat fishy hurrah to the new babes and their filled nappies. Well done Frank and Merk, made up for you both.

Cheering you on sinks... Backing right out now. As you were PESH...

FrankelandFilly Fri 21-Mar-14 23:27:27

Well done Merks and such a lovely name. Birth sounds about as good as it gets and glad you're home so quickly. The feeding is tough going, but stick with it and drink loads of water to keep yourself hydrated.

evilgiraffe Sat 22-Mar-14 08:00:22

That sounds lovely, merk smile Glad you're all okay and doing well.

TheBuggerlugs Sat 22-Mar-14 08:13:15

Beautiful name Merk, congratulations again.

Today is a sorta big day for me. This time in my 1st pregnancy my mc was confirmed so by 12 noon I'll be the most diffed I've even been. smile

eurochick Sat 22-Mar-14 09:11:27

merk it sounds like you did brilliantly. Congratulations. smile smile smile

frank I am happy to hear that the Foal's bum appears to be working again, a little too well, by the sound of it!

bugs that's a great milestone to be passing.

FrankelandFilly Sat 22-Mar-14 09:44:49

In case anyone is interested, I've found the Lansinoh breast pads a real help in trying to keep my sore nipples at bay. They are normally about £5/£6 for 60 but I've just bought some from Amazon - £15 for 240! Link here

KatAndKit Sat 22-Mar-14 09:50:00

Ooh thanks they are the best ones I will be stocking up.

TheBuggerlugs Sat 22-Mar-14 09:59:12

CRESH is it possible to buy wellies that will fit a 1-2 year old? Me and GP want to do our pregnacny announcement with our wellies lined up as we practically live in them with a little teeny pair next to them. Is that too naf?

KatAndKit Sat 22-Mar-14 10:11:19

Yes I have some funky crocodile wellies from tesco. They tend to start at size 4 or 5 which is what most one year olds are in. Brantano sell kids wellies too. So do JoJo maman bebe if you like spending lots of money.

FrankelandFilly Sat 22-Mar-14 10:12:15

What about trying TK Maxx, if you have one nearby?

FrankelandFilly Sat 22-Mar-14 10:12:48

And no, not naff at all smile

KatAndKit Sat 22-Mar-14 10:22:35

I think its cute!

TheBuggerlugs Sat 22-Mar-14 10:32:27

Excellent. Thanks Hags. smile

I'm sobbing at PS I Love you. Why would anyone watch this film? It's torture!

TheBuggerlugs Sat 22-Mar-14 13:42:50

<lays out plates of pink wafers, party rings and sausages on sticks>

<blows up 3 balloons>

Happy 'most pregnant I've ever been to me' afternoon smile smile smile smile

eurochick Sat 22-Mar-14 13:45:36


evilgiraffe Sat 22-Mar-14 14:03:06

I love pink wafers smile <adds party hats to bugs' table>

Regarding films, I think there's something wrong with me. I cry at the drop of a hat (most notably at Ice Age), but yesterday I watched Saving Private Ryan while doing the ironing and only leaked a little bit - I was sure I'd be in floods hmm

In other news, I woke up with heartburn this morning. It really fucking hurt.

TheBuggerlugs Sat 22-Mar-14 14:30:54

<passes Draf Gaviscon>

I'm not normally the sort who cries at films but today the tears came so so easily. I'm blaming hormones. I've still got a background headache that I can't shift and despite a walk in cold wind and rain with the dog I still feel exhausted.

eurochick Sun 23-Mar-14 08:49:10

bugs I had weeks of headaches. I had acu once I got into the 2nd tri and it gave me about 2 clear weeks. They are back now, but at least not daily. I found a little bit of caffeine helped (I was off coffee because of the mc risk, but a coke or decaff (which is well under the "safe limit") seemed to ease the headaches a bit.

TheBuggerlugs Sun 23-Mar-14 09:11:10

Thanks Euro. The headache is still there, it's like the sort you get that lingers all day after too much wine. I might try a decaf coffee later then.

Sinks how is that cervix of yours?

TheBuggerlugs Sun 23-Mar-14 14:44:17

I just had to lift my 25kg dog as I think she's had a stroke. Please reassure me that I won't have done any damage? I don't intend to do it again but she was struggling to get back in the house.

KatAndKit Sun 23-Mar-14 15:29:30

It will be fine. The reason heavy lifting is not recommended is because you might hurt yourself. There is no reason why it could harm the baby as far as I know.

TheBuggerlugs Sun 23-Mar-14 15:33:29

I thought as much. Thank you.

I'm feeling very emotional this afternoon after finding my dog struggling to walk and then to top it off I watched Davina on Sport Relief. Glutton for punishment of what.

eurochick Sun 23-Mar-14 17:40:39

Oh bugs. I agree with Kat - the reason is that you might do yourself an injury because of the relaxin loosening your ligaments, but you are probably not far enough in for that to be a big issue.

I hope the dog is ok. You are really going through it with your pets at the moment.

TheBuggerlugs Sun 23-Mar-14 17:41:58

I bloody am. We are at risk of losing both the dog and cat this week. The dog is beyond miserable and the cat still isn't very well and isn't gaining any weight.

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Mon 24-Mar-14 09:53:11

Sorry I've been AWOL. Too much stuff in my life at the mo. I am not sure how much I'll be visiting in the next while, nothing to do with you hags...

But: CONGRATS merks that was quick. Enjoy the newborn snuggles.

Hurrah for being the most pregnant ever, bugs.

lovesLemonDrizzleCake Mon 24-Mar-14 09:53:35

And huge sorry about the pets bugs. THat is thoroughly shit.

TheBuggerlugs Mon 24-Mar-14 18:25:46

Thanks Driz.

It's gone quite quiet in here. Is everyone ok?

FrankelandFilly Mon 24-Mar-14 19:49:58

I'm here, lurking mostly while E is permanently attached to my boob. My first bit of advice - breastfeeding is bloody hard work!

Sorry about the poorly pets Bugs, how are they doing this evening?

Merks hope the snuggles are going well.

Sinks how are you doing?

TheBuggerlugs Mon 24-Mar-14 20:27:57

I've taken my girl dog back to the vets tonight as she is very miserable and clearly in pain. Vet has given her a painkiller and advised to see what the specialist says tomorrow. If they have no suggestions we'll be saying goodbye. GP is a sobbing mess. She's his girl. sad

FrankelandFilly Mon 24-Mar-14 20:31:37

Oh no sad I really hope they have good news for you tomorrow.

TheBuggerlugs Mon 24-Mar-14 20:58:20

I can't see it being, I suppose it's like in horses, it all depends how much you want to put them through. She's 7 in a week or so so not old but past her best. Its just so bloody unfair.

SinkyMalinks Mon 24-Mar-14 21:01:22

Sorry to hear girl dog is so poorly bugs. Is cat any better?

Just make sure you always have a drink and food to hand frank, I gather those are the essentials of bfing...

I'm heading into my 3rd night of no sleep. Am getting semi regular contractions, but only getting down to 5 min intervals. Spoke to triage in the early hours, but they don't want to see me until they're 3 min apart. So I'm not sleeping, spending an inordinant amount of time in the bath and otherwise wearing the tens machine as if my sanity depended on it. Moan moan moan. Am struggling with it all at the moment. I think I can cope with this, but am just getting progressively exhausted.

<back to lurking>

FrankelandFilly Mon 24-Mar-14 21:02:46

Very unfair sad You're right, you have to look at how much you are prepared to put them through and rake whatever decision you feel is best.

eurochick Mon 24-Mar-14 21:04:22

Oh that's so sad bugs. I hope the vet will have good news. 7 is no age at all.

Oooo sinks it sounds like things are happening. How exciting. I'm not surprised you are exhausted. The PESH will be cheering you on!

FrankelandFilly Mon 24-Mar-14 21:05:10

X-posts Sinks. Sorry you are having such a protracted time of it. Try to rest as much as you can, even if you're not sleeping as such. Can you get on a ball/go for a walk during the day to try and get a bit of gravity involved?

KatAndKit Mon 24-Mar-14 21:19:54

Sinks if they are regular but not quite 3 mins apart, could you not tell a little porkie pie to triage about the frequency if it is getting a bit much? If you're happy at home all well and good but you can at least get pain relief in the hospital if you are desperate for sleep. Sounds like it won't be long now so take heart from the fact you will be meeting your baybee soon.

evilgiraffe Mon 24-Mar-14 21:21:16

Oh, bugs, I'm so sorry your dog is not well sad Everything crossed that the vets can do something to help her.

It won't last forever, sinks, they will be coming thick and fast before you know it! It sounds like you're definitely on the way, anyway smile

SinkyMalinks Mon 24-Mar-14 21:35:34

Bouncing at the mo. Walked round a garden centre this morning, but the afternoons and evenings/nights are pretty full on. It just hurts. I don't know why that surprises me, but it does hmm

KatAndKit Mon 24-Mar-14 21:37:08

Try a warm bath perhaps? That helped me in the early stages.

SinkyMalinks Mon 24-Mar-14 21:48:45

Spent about 2 hours in the bath this evening! Don't think there's any hot water left! It does help which is promising for the hoped for water birth. Especially it takes the lump's weight off the nerves in my legs, which is a relief, to say the least..

I would stretch the truth about frequency, and they have said I can come in if I'm just not coping with the pain, but I don't think I'm in active labour yet, I think this is just this prolonged latent phase getting a bit more active, iyswim. I'm going to try and hack it out a bit longer.

evilgiraffe Mon 24-Mar-14 22:43:44

Heh, sinks, it makes my gripe about "ugh lucozade" for this morning's GTT sound extra petty!

For anyone else going to have a GTT any time soon: lucozade tastes horrific, but it tastes even worse if you've brushed your teeth; and a good book is your friend. I would have gone bats if I'd had to make do with the crappy mags and eavesdropping on inane conversations. I did at least manage to keep the lucozade down fairly easily, though it was a bit of a challenge when the woman sitting opposite me started rolling her false teeth around in her mouth with the most horrendous squeaking noise... envy <-- sick face

Thinking of you Sinks. Don't forget paracetamol...anything that keeps you going at this stage. Really hope that you make some rapid progress tonight.

FrankelandFilly Tue 25-Mar-14 06:59:02

Hope you had a reasonable night Sinks, or are pushing away as we speak! I know it's hard, but try not to be too active at night, you need to rest when you can as you don't want to be awake all night then gave to keep going all of the next day too.

Thinking of you today Bugs

TheBuggerlugs Tue 25-Mar-14 08:06:17

Thanks Frank. I've rearranged my meetings for the day so I can go with her to her appt. GP spent the evening sobbing and I spent most of the night. I came downstairs to her hoping to see her perked up a bit after the injection last night but she's still just laid on her bed and hasn't even lifted her head. We are devastated and this will totally crush us. She was GPs dog and the bond they have is incredible. He doesn't have the same with the boy dog as he's more mine so I hope they can help each other heal if that makes sense.

Its likely to be a sad day in the Buggerlugs household sad

Bugs I am so sorry. She will be waiting at rainbow bridge x

KatAndKit Tue 25-Mar-14 08:20:39

Oh I am sorry bugs. Must be very hard having to say goodbye to the furry members of the family, I know how much you love your pets.

FriendofDorothy Tue 25-Mar-14 08:27:05

I am so sorry bugs - furry friends help us through so much.

Six months ago today since my Mum died and I am missing her so much. It feels especially cruel to be robbed of her today.

I am sure we will be fine but the firsts of everything are so hard sad

eurochick Tue 25-Mar-14 10:16:48

Oh dor my lovely. You are halfway through the hardest part. Your pain is almost palpable.

bugs I'm so sorry. Poor poorly pup. sad

sinks I hope the lack of update this morning means that things are moving for you.

TheBuggerlugs Tue 25-Mar-14 12:01:09

Pup is still with us. Long story short she's on some new meds and having a MRI scan in the next week or so.

Very emotionally drained so taking the rest of the day off.

GingerScouse Wed 26-Mar-14 07:56:24

Thinking of your poorly puppy bugs. Hope the new medication works.

I have my 20 week scan today, I'm very excited about seeing the baby again but hope that it doesn't try and make it obvious as to its sex!

FrankelandFilly Wed 26-Mar-14 08:07:35

Morning everyone.

Good luck for today's scan Ginge.

Hoping the radio silence from Simks means things are moving on.

Bugs, how is your doggy today?

KatAndKit Wed 26-Mar-14 08:24:58

Lurking for sinky, hope you are cuddling your baybee now or very soon

Glad things look better for your dog bugs, hope the medicines work and scan brings good news.

How's things with you merk? Hope all is going well

Good luck with scan ginge!

Bugs hope things are a bit better and brighter today

Thinking of you Sinks

Frank/breast feeders did you find the breastfeeding support groups helped? My nipples are very sore which I know is down to latch. I'm finding it frustrating that the books say to take them off and start again as all that achieves is shouting and a repeat of the same issue. I can't get her to take a big mouthful and if I interfere as she tries to latch she shakes her head violently and won't latch at all.

KatAndKit Wed 26-Mar-14 09:05:38

Yes I found the support groups a big help. It may be that you need some help with finding a position that works. May be that you need her mouth looked at for tongue tie. I went to a group at a local children's centre which was nice socially and for general advice, I found la leche league leaders more helpful with more problematic issues. Definitely get whatever real life help is available