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January 2014 Thread 17 - and the final babies will be here any day now!

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Frizz1986 Sun 02-Feb-14 23:24:00

Thought i would start up the last thread before we move over to postnatal thread.

TobyLerone Sun 02-Feb-14 23:36:30

Nice one smile

AnotherStitchInTime Sun 02-Feb-14 23:42:11

Checking in after a stressful day.

My teenage dniece ran away from home in the night last night. Luckily she has just been found. Just a reminder of the stress yet to come in our journey as parents.

MrsVDB Sun 02-Feb-14 23:51:05

Shotgun first baby of the thread!!

AnotherStitchInTime Sun 02-Feb-14 23:59:24

Wow MrsV, that was quick, congratulations smile

I'm in.
Thanks for all the support ladies. Discharged from mw care yesterday, and not to sound too utterly pathetic, but would do anything not to have to go back to that hospital. Since I feel okay, no shivers or temperature, and will call GPs at 8am for emergency appt, I'm going to risk leaving it until then.

You are all lovely, and thank you. Will no doubt regale you all with revolting tales when I've seen GP.

MrsV good luck!
merry congrats!

Can't remember anything else, sorry. Lots of hugs and brew all round. Superb owl is currently distracting me, as is a very wriggly baby who wishes to breast feed with one fist in her gob.

anothet oh god how bloody awful. Have they found her? How old is she? Thinking of you.

MrsVDB Mon 03-Feb-14 00:07:29

I wish another still going or not as the case may be here... Just hoping ill be first to pop

Sorry, just read your post fully blush
So glad she's found, but how stressful. You poor love.

TobyLerone Mon 03-Feb-14 00:09:26

No shivers or temperature is a good sign, but the second you feel unwell you need to see someone, even if it's the middle of the night. Which it is. God, I'm tired!

I might try taking Meredith up to bed now. She seems to have fallen asleep on my shoulder. I hope she doesn't wake up when we get into bed. If she wakes DH, the last 3 hours of pacing and cluster feeding will be for nothing.

TobyLerone Mon 03-Feb-14 00:10:16

Ugh, another, how awful. Poor girl sad

Felix90 Mon 03-Feb-14 00:31:17

Humpty that sounds truly awful. I hope the GP can refer you too whoever you need to see as soon as poss!

I've just gone to bed with Sylvie and it looks like she will be sleeping on my chest for the third night running.

Felix90 Mon 03-Feb-14 00:43:08

Pressed send too soon! She has been really unsettled still and hardly sleeping at all. When she does fall asleep she will randomly wake up screaming confused I think she's still constipated and its awful. She was a really good sleeper before and it feels like we are taking a step backwards.

Frizz1986 Mon 03-Feb-14 00:48:17

Oh no another the joys to come. Glad she has been found safe.

humpty you best call someone if things get worse.

toby hope she stayed asleep!

felix we had a night like that on friday and i said it felt like we had taken a step back (and aurelia wasnt a particularly good sleeper to start with) but since then we has a brill night last night so things will pick up.

Felix90 Mon 03-Feb-14 00:51:57

I know frizz I just need to try and remember it will get better! She's been crying on and off all day and I can't do anything to help her sad got the health visitor tomorrow so hopefully she can recommend something for the constipation as I've tried everything!

felix obvious, but we did cooled boiled water for constipation: given in a bottle, served warm. She pooed while drinking it. Then more poo. Then more and more and MORE.
Warm baths also meant to help, as is a spoonful of orange or prune juice (neat or diluted, have heard both, not tried either so cannot vouch). It's misery, the poor things.

toby ouch! Hope Meredith behaves after this. You have done epically well coping with three hours, she needs to let you have a rest now.

Will call into labour ward if I get symptoms overnight.

Felix90 Mon 03-Feb-14 01:23:09

Humpty I've tried all of those but none work. Also tried massaging her tummy and half a tsp of brown sugar in the water. She is pooing every so often (once or twice a day) but she struggles all day until she can finally do it. I feel really helpless about it all hmm

flyawayblue Mon 03-Feb-14 01:27:56

Trying to catch up on the last thread and this one while Alice sleeps on me. It's the only place she will go down tonight after small feeds. I'm nackered and dh has been lovely and is now asleep to take over later.

Good luck mrsv hope things progress well for you.

humpty that sounds really painful, please go to a&e if it does get worse. Would you be able to go to a different hospital if you can't face going back to the scene of the crime? Not sure I could yet!

Sadly I'm also in problems with bf corner, really annoyed that the hospital told me the latch was good as it's compleat crap and she only takes the nipple in. So much pain. Had the community mw out on Saturday and she wasn't great and just said to not ff and try and get to a cafe. Okay writing that out she sounds lovely but I've been feeling so crap that the idea of seeing real people is daughting. I will either cry on them or act like everything is fine when it's not.

sunshine the tongue tie clinic sounds really successful and I'm glad it has made such a difference. Go healed nipples! 

When you say kings could I ask if you mean kch and if you do would you be able to send me the details? Just Alice was diagnosed with tongue tie by the kch midwives but so much else going on nothing was done. 

Never watched the suoernbowl but might need to start...

Frizz1986 Mon 03-Feb-14 04:08:03

Silly question, but how do you know if babies are constipated? Will their poop get more solid? Just wondering what to look out for as aurelia has now started to poop a bit less (maybe 3 or so times a day instead of 7 or 8) I know they get to a point when they poop a bit less so am not worried, but want to know what to look out for.

Frizz1986 Mon 03-Feb-14 04:11:15

fly sorry about the bf. I understand things being daunting, i am only just properly venturing out at almost 6 weeks pp.
If you cant go to a help group or anything, is it worth calling one of the helplines, or watching some youtube videos to get some tips?

Pidgy Mon 03-Feb-14 04:59:37

fly sorry it's proving difficult. Don't be afraid to take her off as many times as you need until the latch is good. I've found the latch can be good but then DD slips and it hurts so I quickly take her off. Cue crying as ive interrupted her feed but it only took a few poor feeds at the start to get cracked nipples and this is my second child so I stupidly thought it would be easy.
Now the latch is ok tho I have no pain and all is healed. Took about a week this time to get to this stage but longer first time round I recall

Are you using lansinoh? Put it on every time. Really helped me.

Can you call Nct breastfeeding number for advise?

0300 330 0700

Open all hours I believe. Might be able to help in the mean time. And don't worry about crying down the phone to them. I did exactly the same with my first and they were lovely.

humpty please get yourself seen ASAP! Lower stomach pain was the sign I had an infected uterus. I did gave a v high temp too tho. Felt like start of labour all over again. Antibiotics have sorted me out tho.
I know someone else whose episiotomy scar came undone and infected so I think it's more common than we're led to believe. She did need to go back in to hospital so last of me thinks go straight there? Or ring 111 and they can get you seen ASAP if your doctor has a waiting list.

Hope things are progressing for mrsv.

Just marking my place.

so tired. Henry has a cold so was up all night more or less, Ds1 woke up at 5.30, and i have a dicky tummy.


Felix90 Mon 03-Feb-14 08:47:08

Fly I had the exact same problem and struggled for 4 weeks after midwives at hospital, another MW and HV all said latch was ok. I second calling NCT as the lady I saw was fab.

Frizz I think it's normal for their poo to change but the only way I know she's constipated is because she will make noises like she's struggling to push and she goes red confused

Felix90 Mon 03-Feb-14 08:49:20

Ugh frying take it easy if you can today!

BookTart Mon 03-Feb-14 08:49:51

How are you doing today humpty?

Gobbolinothewitchscat Mon 03-Feb-14 09:56:53

humpty - lovely, hope you get a chance to read this.

What a fright for you but ABs do marvellous things very quickly. You do need seen by the doctor quickly (in the next few hours) though so please get on the phone to your GP. If no luck, get on the phone to the mat ward and if they won't see you ASAP, get up to A&E. is DH still off? Do yiu have someone to help you? If not, get your mum or a pal round. You've had a shock and you're tired and had a rough time so you need someone to look after you today/for a few days. You need it make sure you're getting plenty to eat and drink to help with healing etc and that's hard when you're on your own with a little one.

Antibiotics are first priority. However, please also make another app with the GP to discuss whether you need restiched if that isn't addressed today.

I know a few people this has happened to and it's horrid but they have made very quick recoveries once on the ABs but I know from them that stitching needs it be discussed. You need to talk about the pros and cons of leaving it to heal naturally. Don't just be fobbed off by them

Sending you huge hugs - hope you can keep posting and will be thinking of you today. Xx

Gobbolinothewitchscat Mon 03-Feb-14 10:01:32

fly - big hugs to you too. I hate when they say to go to a cafe. I'm sure they're lovely there but it's a huge thing just getting out if the house - particularly when you feel tired and vulnerable

Secind calling NCT counsellor - they'll come to the house or you can go to them.

If you don't have numbers it hand, the community midwife will if you can call them or the NCT helpline can help

Gobbolinothewitchscat Mon 03-Feb-14 10:03:02

another - how stressful - so glad she's been found x

chocoloulou34 Mon 03-Feb-14 10:03:27

Wow a new thread already. Rly sad that this is the last one :'( that time has gone so quick.

I had a good catch up on here whilst sebastian was awake last night. Hugs to those who need it.

Am feeling I cant contribute much to the breastfeeding problems as I am bottle feeding and also did this with dd. I almost feel guilty as I seem to be the only one on here!! It just wasnt for me. Think i have it a lot easier than most you ladies at the moment though as sebastian just takes a 5oz bottle every 4 hours in day and goes 6 hours in night and is sleeping rly well. Dd was nothing like this. Was up in night for all hours screaming.
The hardest thing I find is the school run and day to day life!! I just cant seem to get on top of everything. Washing ironing cleaning is just Not happening and cooking also gone down the drain.
OH been off another week due to me having my op and he went back to work last night. So I gotta start getting myself into a routine as only walked the girls to school but feel exhausted from the mad rush of it all!!

Know how it feels to have OH who doesnt do a lot though. Not sebastians dad but my dd dad was useless and I literally did everything and tiptoed around every night letting him sleep whilst I struggled. Talk to your OH's about it as I ended up resenting mine and we split up when dd was 3. Dont want any of u to go thru that. My OH now is brilliant with sebastian. I dont ever have to ask him to do anything when hes here. Hes crap with housework and that but hey if he looks after his baby well and cooks for me most nights I can live with that. Just he works nights and has busy days at the moment training for a marathon of all things!!
Sorry I'm rambling lol. Feeling a lot better now that big kidney stone gone!! Am also back down to my pre-pregnancy weight but think that's where ive been so ill. Just gotta keep it off.
Hope you've been to docs humpty and all is ok. Right I need pancakes ...

TobyLerone Mon 03-Feb-14 10:05:48

Thinking of you today, humpty.

And you, MrsV. Hope it's going well.

TobyLerone Mon 03-Feb-14 10:10:38

loulou, how lucky you are with Sebastian's feeding/sleeping!
I'm so glad I don't have to do a school run. Taking DH to the station is enough for me!

BookTart Mon 03-Feb-14 10:30:30

I meant to ask toby, did your DH get to retake his driving test? Hopefully you'll get to sack off the early morning drive to the station soon smile

TobyLerone Mon 03-Feb-14 10:41:18

He's retaking (3rd time lucky?!) on Thursday. When he passes I'll still be taking him to the station, though. We only have one car and I'd rather put up with getting up early so I can have the car all day.
It would be lovely to be able to sack it off, but bugger being housebound!

I'm off to Sainsbury's and then to my mum's in a bit. Hopefully I can stay awake round the supermarket grin

Percypiglet Mon 03-Feb-14 10:56:56

Just checking in, haven't read any posts yet. Baby was a perfect sleeper for our first night home again.... feel much happier as a result.

BuntCadger Mon 03-Feb-14 11:20:46

checking in and hoping all going good for MrsV

GoshAnneGorilla Mon 03-Feb-14 11:28:54

Hi, just checking in.

I'm a bit late with this, but our daughter May was born on 19th Jan, weighing 9lb 10oz. Birth was far from ideal, but we're all well and at home.

Surprised at how flat I felt for a while afterwards, it took until day 10 for it to lift and to feel normal.

I hope you are all well and those with feeding/healing problems get better soon.

Felix90 Mon 03-Feb-14 11:30:48

Choco I'm now bottle feeding too so you're not the only one smile sounds like Sebastian is feeding/sleeping in a good routine! How many weeks is he now? Sylvie is having 4oz but I think she's starting to want more now but I'm scared of over feeding her!

Felix90 Mon 03-Feb-14 11:32:01

Toby good luck to your DH. I am starting driving lessons soon and can't wait until I can drive!

Percy glad you had a good night smile

Frizz1986 Mon 03-Feb-14 11:45:33

Hey all. Hope humpty is ok and has managed to see someone.

choco i am so jealous of the feeding situation you are in and glad you are feeling better.

mrsv still thinking of you and hope things are progressing

toby being housebound sucks. We have 1 car atm but dh needs it (i sold mine 2 weeks ago because it was crap and didnt want to waste money fixing it) I have struggled to get out and about and think it has taken me longer to feel myself because of it.

Am beyond lucky though as my dad was made redundant this year (his work shut) but was almost at retirement age anyway so he has a good pension but got a big payout too. He decided to buy himself a new car so is giving us his old one. Told us at xmas before bubs arrived so i only have until march to wait. Really hope we can be as generous to aurelia when we are their age.

felix aurelia does a lot of straining and gets red faced. She squirms and pulls her legs up. I assumed it was her trying to push gas through as she is pooping plenty and it is liquidy.

I went for a longer work today with bubs and pooch. Really starting to feel much better. Cant believe it has taken 6 weeks and im still not quite there yet.

Naturegirl82 Mon 03-Feb-14 12:20:14

Humpty hope you manage to get checked out

Fx for you mrsv

Just had the hv round. Not sure what the purpose of the visit was though as they didn't look at Olivia, just gave us loads of leaflets (and some wrong advice regarding meningitis!). Have the mw later who will weigh her. Hoping she has put some weight back on.

Frizz1986 Mon 03-Feb-14 12:35:19

nature i think the quality of hv vary from area to area.
My first visit involved a lot of leaflets but she also looked at aurelia and went through vaccinations, how i was feeling and offered to weigh her. Not sure if this was because of her jaundice and weight problems though.
My hv thankfully is very nice and came again last week to check in after aurelias blood tests and told me to make sure i call her if i have any worries and she will pop by.

enormouse Mon 03-Feb-14 12:47:13

another that's good news. Such a relief for your family.

toby good luck to your DP.

Thinking of you humpty and MrsV.

Argh had a meltdown trying to get both boys out the house, on my own for the first time. Pil had kindly offered to take Ewan (DS1, 2yo) so I just needed to get them 5 minutes up the road. Ewan insisted on going, Cal was asleep. Got Ewan into his coat and wellies, then got Cal up. Ewan had a strop as we weren't fast enough. Had to bundle both of them out in tears (me almost in tears). Up until then I thought I was doing ok. Dps mum made me some tea and toast and now I've hit the dairy milk. Can anyone offer me some advice on coping with the logistics of a baby and a toddler? Ewans the kind of toddler that needs to go out almost every day. I feel like curling up in a heap sobbing at the thought of doing this again.

Sunshineseeker80 Mon 03-Feb-14 12:54:39

Happy Monday all. Can't believe how quickly the weekend goes and how soon it gets to being just me and LO at home again. My brother came to visit with his two this weekend so Emily met her cousins for the first time...was quite lovely seeing how gentle my 2 year old DNiece was with her. Mad weekend with 3 kids and a dog in the house though.

We had our weekly visit to HV this morning and Emily is back up to her birth weight - woo hoo! Looks like the tongue tie snip has helped.

book - you asked about nipple shields... I didn't use them although the midwife mentioned them in passing the day before we went to clinic. I think I had read in here that they needed to be used under supervision of a lactation consultant so I was a bit afraid of them, although considered buying them just to wear out to the shops to stop the chafing smile. It was recommended that I express and feed her to give one boob a rest, so for a few days I was only feeding her on one side. We started by giving her 100ml bottle of expressed once a day, and when her weight kept going down they asked for us to try and give her 2 lots of 100ml / day, which we did for about a week before the snip. I used a medala swing and just about managed to get enough out but did spend a lot of time pumping or feeding. The bottle suited me because I wanted DH to give her a feed anyway as it is nice for him, and he used to do the last one (11pmish) so I could go to bed. She got v windy, but no bottle confusion yet. You can't give a bottle at all for a week after the snip, but I will reintroduce next week again I think.

fly - yes, we were snipped at kings college hospital in Denmark Hill. We are in Greenwich, so to be referred from here we had to see a tongue tie specialist breast feeding advisor at the local cafe twice (7days apart). She then faxed a referral and they called a week later to offer an appointment the next day. I think you can self refer as well, especially if you have a kings college hospital number (which we didn't).. The number I have for the tongue tie clinic is 020 3299 3350... The clinic is on in the afternoon so when I needed to speak to them I called that number and you spoke to the secretary / leave a message and then they call you back. Another woman at the breast feeding group I went to used an independent midwife to assess and snip her son's tongue tie, and the lady was recommended if you wanted to do it quickly and don't mind the cost. This is her website... www.ann-dobson.co.uk/index.html

Congrats to all the new arrivals..., and hugs / medicinal thoughts and best wishes to those who need them. Hope people are managing to get things looked at...am increasingly a firm believer in happy mum, happy baby theory grin

Is it possible to still join the Facebook group? Would love to see some pics of the scrumptious newborns...

Trying to have a lazy rest of the day as tomorrow I am planning a trip into the office to show the baby off and discuss the fact that they need to stop sending me emails asking how to do things. Not sure how I am going to feed while we are in London...used to work in the City so not many bf'ing friendly locations. They have offered me use of a small corner office but it has glass walls and I worked with 30 men (and only 2 other women) so not sure if I am up for that.Also am incapable of feeding without a pillow so am probably going to have to take one with me confused

Another epic post from me, sorry for rambling...am slightly obsessed with feeding at the moment obvs blush

Stitches dissolved early, one of them was still dissolving, which was what I thought was white pus (tmi klaxon, bit late).
Secondary healing has started, so no need to restitch, just keep it clean and dry.
I am so relieved! The abdo pain is a UTI, they got the urine results. Got antibs for that as well, so I should be fine.
Thank you all for the lovely messages.

fly I second getting help. I didn't at all get the latching thing where you sort of shove them at your boob ("bring" baby to breast) until a mw showed me. So many mws aren't v good on b feeding advice, I'd ignore ones who haven't had kids themselves...

loulou I'm still topping up with formula, would love advice on a) best brand and b) how to make up bottles in the middle of a night without all the hassle (if there is a way...).

constipation Alex doesn't poo for two/three days, and is unsettled and screams, and pulls up her legs and sort of pecks her head against my chest.
When she takes water (today we did warm water with a tsp of OJ), about ten mins later she does a big poo. Getting her to drink the water however... She looks at me like I have murdered her puppy when she realises it's water in the bottle.

Felix90 Mon 03-Feb-14 13:53:35

Humpty that's brilliant news! So glad it's not as bad as we all thought smile

Re bottles in the night - It takes me 2 minutes to make up a bottle. Making a 4oz bottle, I fill the kettle with the minimum amount, which boils very quickly. Whilst the kettle is boiling, I measure out 2oz of cooled boiled water from a sterilised sports bottle I have in the fridge. Fill baby bottle with 2oz from the boiled kettle. Add 4 scoops of formula & shake for 10 seconds to mix together. Then I add the 2oz of cooled boiled water, give it a quick shake and it's always the perfect temperature. I know some people make up bottles in advance and keep in the fridge for the night, although it's not recommended (but I'm sure it's totally fine). I was considering buying that Tommee Tippee perfect prep machine but it basically does exactly what I do anyway, so I'd rather just save the 60 quid!

BandontheFun Mon 03-Feb-14 14:55:35

Congratulations on all the new arrivals!

Choco I'm ff to, so also feeling like a bit of a failure but tbh don't know if I would cope as well as everyone, with the problems some of them are going through. Also mentally I know how low I was feeling After the birth mixing in worrying about feeding wouldn't help. As long as she is eating and growing I'm happy!

That's good news Humpty

Felix and Humpty I bought the perfect prep machine. I love it. So easy to use and only takes like 2mins. Think if I didn't have the machine I would have prob spent a fortune on the ready made formula, we used that for the 1st week, making up the bottles stresses me out, so many guidelines and steps involved. Had no idea you could pretty much do the same on your own Felix.

It's strange to think baby has only been here 2 weeks, can't really remember what it was like without her.

So who's still waiting? Can't be many left.

TobyLerone Mon 03-Feb-14 14:59:41

Excellent news, humpty! What a relief smile

enormouse, I can barely remember having a newborn and a toddler. DS and DD1 are 18 months apart, but they're now 14 and almost 13!
From what I remember, DD (the youngest) was far easier as a baby because she didn't get picked up all the time just for the sake of it, because I had 18mo DS to deal with. So when we went out, as we did practically every day, I just had to feed her and bung her in the pram. I didn't feel the need to put her in some sort of fancy outfit or anything. A clean nappy, the closest vest/sleepsuit to hand, and blankets for the pram.

This meant that DS rarely had to wait at all, so lessened the chances of meltdown for all of us. It was most important just to get out of the house. I became an expert at BFing standing up, whilst simultaneously doing up coat buttons or velcro on shoes.

Felix90 Mon 03-Feb-14 15:37:24

Bandon I am tempted to get one for the bedroom so I don't have to venture downstairs to make up a bottle. Or is that just plain lazy? grin

loulou i bottle feed too smile

i make all the days bottles up in the morning, fast cool them down in a bowl of cold water, then keep them in the fridge. They are good for 24 hours. This is along with WHO directives.

Henry will drink the milk straight from the fridge, or at any temperature. Just if that helps anyone

Toothfairy78 Mon 03-Feb-14 16:24:34

Just checking in to see who's still left.

We're beginning to get the hang of the night feeds now. Karen wakes up at 3.20, 5.20 and 7.15 quite regularly now so it's getting easier. DH helps with the 7.15 by changing her then bringing her to me for feeding before he goes to work.

We're also getting out of the house every day even if it's only to the corner shop. The aim is to practice going out so we get good at it. Today"s trip was to the Dr as we have a case of thrush between us sad

Anyway, come out babies! There's milk and cuddles for you!

frying that is useful. We were discarding after 4 hours, which is annoying at 4.30am (last 'day' feed finishes around 12). Thank you.

MrsV any progress today? Thinking of you.

We've had a lazy day after going to the docs, bit of a tonic after two weeks of visitors! Had a nice nap, watched Gilmore Girls.

chocoholicalcoholic Mon 03-Feb-14 20:19:38

Hello ladies. Just read through and caught up with everything and have forgotten most of it blush

Choco - another one here who formula feeds and have done for all three babies. DD goes 4 hours on 4oz but will soon be going to 5oz as she's a pig. How old is your DS? DD is 3 weeks. I think she'll be going through the night once she's on 5oz. Well, by through the night I mean 11pm til 6am ish.

Can't remember who said about making the bottles but we make a day up at a time and store in fridge then just warm up when needed.

BookTart Mon 03-Feb-14 20:28:37

Good news humpty!

Thanks for the help sunshine. Persephone was also signed off by the midwife today as she is back up to birthweight. The midwife was very dismissive of the tongue tie possibility and thinks it is reflux instead, so I'll have to see how the health visitor feels on Wednesday. The lactation consultant may have referred us independently as well, so it is all a bit of a mess. I'm not really sure what to do now!

flyawayblue Mon 03-Feb-14 20:45:47

Thank you sunshine. The community mw is arranging for someone to come out and asses, a bit irritated that I have to go though hoops when their own mw's diagnosed while I was still in kch postnatal ward. 

Might see if I can self refer as I have a kch number. 

humpty so glad your not infected, worried about you today. Sounds like you are heeling well. 

For the bottle making up discussion we've been using some when my nipples were too sore, we just make up in the morning then keep in the fridge for up to 24 hours. We then microwaved for 20 seconds to take the edge off and she took them fine. The make up first is in the who guidelines and I think the mw advice until recently. It's also the method my pediatrician sil uses for her two so I'm happy. Not telling the community mw though, got enough of a face at mix feeding!

Alice is cluster feeding today and while this means lots of lovely cuddles it does mean less movement and that I only got a few mouthfuls of dinner.

Hope mrsv is doing well.

Felix90 Mon 03-Feb-14 21:21:25

That's it, I'm making bottles up in advance now! grin

chocoloulou34 Mon 03-Feb-14 21:21:30

Yey for me not being the only bottle feeder lol.

felix and choco ds is just over 4 weeks old and went up to 5oz last week as he was draining 4oz bottles and sometimes crying for more so health visitor said to up it. He was 8lb 3oz when born and weighed 9lb 6oz last week so a rly good gain in weight. felix cant believe u do all that to make up a fresh bottle. Top marks for u lol. I make mine up in advance then just reheat oops. Did it with dd and she was ok so I just did same.
Glad ur not infected humpty cracked up at your murdered puppy comment haha. Bless her. Have not tried sebastian on water yet. He has aptimal comfort milk which is great for colic and constipation.
enormouse it will get easier. I have a friend who has 3 under 3 and at first she went into meltdown but once she had a routine going it was all ok. I font have a toddler but have dd 6 dsd 8 who live here and dss 5 whos here every other weekend and im finding it madness just getting out the house but know it will get better.

Henry is 3 weeks and on 4-5ozs a feed

Felix90 Mon 03-Feb-14 21:50:31

Choco I think I will up to 5oz then. Sometimes she will still be hungry after 4, but sometimes she will only have 2 then want more about half an hour later or not finish the bottle at all. I've dug out the larger bottles and going to make some up now grin I didn't realise so many people just made them up in advance rather than fannying about every time like I do. Sylvie is 6 weeks now and was 8lb 7 birth weight and when she was weighed 2 weeks ago she was 9lb 2 so I bet she's pretty heavy now. I'm getting her weighed again tomorrow.

So if I'm going out somewhere, I don't have a mess around carrying a flask of hot water and powder to make up a bottle? This is a revelation to me. I have a bottle warm/cool bag so can I just stick a bottle in there straight from the fridge and go?

Felix90 Mon 03-Feb-14 21:51:57

Do you both find they spit up milk a lot? Quite often Sylvie will projectile vom milk everywhere (very convenient in the middle of the night) and now I'm scared of her doing it every time I feed her.

That's right Felix take it straight from the fridge and put it in the bag. You'll be totally fine.

some babies do sick things up a lot. Ethan did but Henry doesn't really. It's not something to worry about unless the baby stops putting on weight. That's what hv and gp told me with Ethan

littleraysofsunshine Mon 03-Feb-14 22:27:12

Hi all! Just thought if find this thread smile

chocoloulou34 Mon 03-Feb-14 22:55:35

felix I just take cold bottle out with me straight from fridge but do have to get it heated up in a cafe or somewhere if we r out and about as sebastian will only drink it warm. I used to have a baby bottle warmer especially for being out and about but I cant find it now and they dont seem to sell them anywhere. Sebastian doesnt sick up much milk at all but dd projectile vomited every single feed. Was a nightmare taking her anywhere and my poor carpets were ruined!!! But she was a real piggy and drained every bottle and she was a real chubby little thing and always put on weight somehow so dont worry about it smile

Hmm, so, maybe we have colic?
Alex has been an utter pain this evening, fussy, straining, cycling her legs, won't settle in one position for more than five minutes. Feeds for two seconds then screams bloody murder, even while latched on sometimes.
DH and I are taking it in turns to try and soothe her, but she is frantic. Not hungry, not dirty, been winded for an hour, cuddled (so far as you can cuddle a flailing screaming baby) etc.
I gave her boiled water and got a big poo out of her earlier, which was very orangey, less yellow than her usual efforts. She's not pooed in two days until this, but I assume having gone, it can't be constipation, can it? Plus, it wasn't hard at all when it did come.
She's wetting plenty of nappies, but not pooing much at all.
Any ideas?

MrsVDB Tue 04-Feb-14 04:45:37

Sorry still need to catch up but just to let you all know baby Henry was born at 11.34pm Monday night weighing a whopping 10lb 4! Ended up with c section due to only getting to 4cm despite strong contractions every 2 minutes Sunday evening/ all of Monday. Will post properly in next couple of days smile

Frizz1986 Tue 04-Feb-14 05:17:44

Huge congrats mrsv and what a size! Glad you are both safe and well.

TobyLerone Tue 04-Feb-14 05:33:04

Congratulations, MrsV! Lots of Henrys on this thread smile It's such a lovely name.

Humpty, you just have to ride it out, I'm afraid. We use Infacol on Meredith, but I'm not sure if it actually does any good really. It doesn't happen every night, but it's hell when it does.
Occasionally we can head it off by feeding her and taking her to bed before it really ramps up, but I think that's more luck than anything.
We do find that DH has more luck calming her than I do, because when she's with me she thinks she wants to feed, even when she doesn't, and she gets quite distressed.

Naturegirl82 Tue 04-Feb-14 07:20:50

Congrats mrsv. What a weight!

Olivia is back up to birth weight which is great. Had a really good night last night as well smile Have her newborn photo shoot today. Hoping it goes well!

TarkaTheOtter Tue 04-Feb-14 09:01:20

humpty have you tried a warm bath to help calm Alex? Can help relax them enough to bring up really trapped wind.

With dd my gp told me that they can strain and be red faced even when not constipated because they aren't very good at coordinating the required muscles yet.

My Alex is still sleeping only on my chest at night and feeding almost hourly through the day. Nearly 5 weeks now so hopefully things will improve soon! Especially as dh now works abroad mon-thurs!

Felix90 Tue 04-Feb-14 09:07:46

Congrats MrsV!!

BuntCadger Tue 04-Feb-14 09:36:48

congratulations MrsV and wow another big baby! smile x

BuntCadger Tue 04-Feb-14 09:39:26

I had hv round yesterday for first visit and she weighed Zachary. he's 10 lb 4 oz now so over birth weight. he's 2 weeks old today.

GummiBear74 Tue 04-Feb-14 09:41:22

Congratulations, mrsv, so glad that he has finally arrived!

humpty, perhaps it's just what they call the 'arsenic hour'? Annabel also gets very unsettled and unhappy in the evenings. I think it's just one of those things that babies do confused

tarka, my DH is also working overseas - he left this morning, back on Thursday night. How are you finding it? I've been absolutely bloody terrified of being left on my own with her. I have some family members dropping in to help, but I just worry that I won't ever be able to eat/go to the loo/brush my teeth ever again sad

TarkaTheOtter Tue 04-Feb-14 09:52:04

Congratulations mrsv!!

gummi today is his first day away but he'll be going every week from now on. I'm most worried about bedtime and overnight as I have a bad sleeping toddler as well. I think it's just a case of surviving as well as possible and having low expectations. I'm also having to toughen up a bit about the fact that there will be times when one is crying whilst I deal with the other! I'll sleep at the weekend!

Felix90 Tue 04-Feb-14 10:05:41

Oh gosh sorry for those with DH's working away. Hopefully you will adjust to it quickly and get in to a good routine smile

It's lovely and sunny outside and I feel like I should take Sylvie out for a walk but there's nowhere to go round here! Also I'm worried about getting the pram down the couple of steep steps at our front door sad I've been using the bad weather as an excuse not to go out so far.

chocoholicalcoholic Tue 04-Feb-14 10:17:41

Felix - yep another who sicks up a lot. Projectile vom is quite spectacular! The latest trick from DD is to cough and burp at the same time after feeding which creates a rather powerful vom surge. The noise that erupts from her is pretty cool though. DP says she sounds like a dinosaur..

Humpty - we have a colicky baby too. Had a bad couple of evenings last week but has been loads better since trying infacol. DP has also been helping to wind her as he can hold her up on his shoulder for so much longer than I can. Also true about the witching hour that some babies go through. It's happened with all of mine. They've been more unsettled in the evening for no reason, crying for no reason. I think it's just something babies do. Just ride it out, it will improve. Take each day as a new one.

Congratulations MrsV!

Think I may up DD to 5oz and see if she takes it. She's been draining her bottles and seems to be routing for more. Chunk.

Lazy day for me today. Really need to sort this house out but that's what tomorrow is for. Always leave it 'for tomorrow' grin

flyawayblue Tue 04-Feb-14 10:38:03

Congratulations mrsv, glad you are both well.

Good luck to all those with partners working away.

No advice on colic or constipation, I have all these things to look forward to..

Last night was almost sane after I had a break down on dh as Alice wouldn't stop having sort feeds and not sleeping anywhere other than in me. He brilliantly took her to the living room feed her a bottle and battled out until she slept in her carry cot. Then feed her an expressed bottle for the middle night feed and she slept though till 8. Can't belive it!

Oh and the hv are of to a really bad start, they have me on their systems under my middle name and keep calling, texting, sending letters under that name even though I've told them twice. Even had to spell out my first name this morning. These are people that get to make decisions about Alice..

enormouse Tue 04-Feb-14 10:45:35

Congratulations MrsV, what a chunky wee thing! smile. I wonder who's still waiting for their late arrivals?

Hugs, tea and cake to those with Dps who are away.

MW weighed Cal yesterday and he's only lost 2oz.
He was very demanding last night. Wanting fed almost every hour. My boobs are enormous and sore, now my milks come in. But he's asleep now at least and dp has a day off. Ewan seems to be unwell and has bright red cheeks so he's sat on Dp watching Dr who.

I was planning on going out today but considering how Ewan and I are feeling we'll give it a miss.

Frizz1986 Tue 04-Feb-14 11:37:07

Good luck to all those who have dps away. I couldn't do it!

Yay for weight gain etc.

Aurelia has been rather unsettled as well. Think its gas but its so hard to tell if it could be something else. She really strains to get it out and this morning was straining and grizzling for ages and then she did the most giant poop! Nice and runny so she cant be constipated so it must just be her trying to use her bowels.

Am off for my 6 week gp check today so on the bus alone with bubs! Ahhhhh scary! Was feeling really positive yesterday as my bleeding tailed off a bit over the weekend, but then overnight and this morning it was bright red again and took a lot of wipes to clear it all up sad Am so desperate for the bleeding to stop and it seems as soon as i get off my backside and try and do something it starts up again. Will be mentioning it to gp just to check that there isnt anything else going on that needs treating.

BuntCadger Tue 04-Feb-14 12:23:20

tarka & gummi - my dh goes at 5 am tomorrow and not back till Thursday night sad dreading it as his first day from paternity so in deep end.

A bit annoyed with me as they. took swab on day 4 and taken till today to let.me know he needs antibiotics.

MerryPops Tue 04-Feb-14 13:18:48

Well we came out of the hospital yesterday evening.

Xander had a tongue tie that's now been snipped. Hoping that will result in better attachment and my milk coming in as it hasn't yet.

I have to say I've been reading back through the last few threads for the early days of the babies that are now a few weeks old. It's reassuring as at the moment Xander is really tricky to feed, settles great in the day but is very fussy at night and will only sleep on me, meaning I have had about 5 hours sleep in total since I went into labour Sat morning! Feel like I am doing something wrong but your posts show its all part of the process.

Bloody hard work this baby lark isn't it? Just waiting for first midwife visit hopefully she can help with the feeding side. Stay positive everyone!

Felix90 Tue 04-Feb-14 13:33:45

I'm really surprised at how many babies have had a tongue tie! I think it should be something they should routinely check with every birth as it seems to be so common but so problematic if undiagnosed. Im sure it only takes a few minutes to check too?!

Frizz1986 Tue 04-Feb-14 13:34:12

Glad you're home merry
The first few weeks really are harder than you think but it does get better and you get used to the lack of sleep very fast.

TobyLerone Tue 04-Feb-14 13:58:04

I thought they did check every baby for tongue tie. Meredith was certainly checked because I was watching the paediatrician check her. My nephew had an undiagnosed TT and it made feeding really hard for my sister.

Hi everyone and thanks frizz for the new thread.

Congratulations enormouse: I love the name, my brother is a Calum, so different spelling but same name! I agree things do get easier. My DD is three and a half and at school but she is quite immature and a definite typical only child. At first she was either trying to pick the baby up or having a temper tantrum about me not playing with her but within two weeks it settled down and now she will play happily unless v hungry or v bored. Lots of healthy snacks you can get out the cupboard and serve with one hand help a lot. She did have a stage around the three week mark of being the baby so she got more attention which was trying, so it helps to have someone to take the baby so you can spend more time with them then. I think it was just me not being fair to her though because we were home alone a lot and nour was cluster feeding all the time.

Congratulations too fly and mrsv and anyone I have forgotten. blush flowers

Nour is five weeks today and has started having good days and bad days. The bad days consist of screaming, constant feeding and bringing his legs up to his stomach. Also bright red face, nothing calms him and he has no obvious wind. It sounds v similar to what you all have been experiencing. After a day or two of that he then spends a day sleeping all the time and falling asleep as soon as he is on the breast, so hopefully they are just growth spurts. He seems to be gaining weight fine.

humpty so glad you dont have an infection. I have deliberately not looked and am leaving that lovely job to the midwife at my six week appointment. Got a bit worried over the weekend that things were smelling funky but turned out I just needed a proper wash. blush Was being a bit lax because I have been so busy washing cleaning and getting house in order after the bed bug treatment and DD was off school all week with gastroenteritis, which DH has now caught. So glad I didnt go to the doctor, can just imagine the embarrassment of being told my personal hygiene is lacking!

Good work on the welsh anthem, nour similarly unimpressed but then the welsh performance was hardly stunning. Looking forward to them upping their game against Ireland, hopefully. Scrum really needs sorting, so hopefully gethin jenkins will be back and adam jones will get some confidence back.

How is alex doing on the poo front? If she hasn't been weighed recently it would be worth doing just to check she is gaining well as two days without poo for a bf baby is quite a long time, esp if her stools are nice and loose. I remember being told that until six weeks between four and six poos a day is the norm. It doesn't sound like Alex has a problem but it is worth checking as my DD spent her first three weeks not eating and no one picked it up. It may be completely different for mixed feeding, so please disregard if so. Hope I haven't worried you, newborns are hard enough without anything else to think about.

MIL made me really cross recently with advice given to DH. He was whining about having to help with DD because I spend so long feeding and she told him it is because I am doing it wrong and a baby should only have 15 minutes each side every three hours and nothing all night! DH took this as proof that I am making him do work so I can "sit down and feed all the time". MIL is v well intentioned but blunt, and DH clearly needs a kick in the balls. This was almost two weeks ago and he has since upped his game but I am still stewing.

Frizz1986 Tue 04-Feb-14 14:27:07

Altered how the hell have you cleaned? I only have Aurelia but my jobs only just looks ok.
I am starting to think that I must have mega milk as Aurelia only feeds for 15mins on 1 side and that's normally it.
On the bus on the way home. 6 week check went well and bus journey is almost over and I have done it!

Well done to those who have cleaned/gone out!

today is my birthday. I'm 27! I left Henry with my mom and dh and i went shopping. I got a new coat, a lamp off my mom (it's beautiful) and a bedside table lamp. And chocolates.

we only left Henry for a couple of hours and i didn't like it.

oh, I'm bleeding still. It goes and comes back. It went kinda yellowy which is normal apparently, now it's red again. Not fun! Henry is 4 weeks tomorrow

enormouse Tue 04-Feb-14 15:43:08

altered it's better now that we're starting to settle into a routine and that ewans realising that Cal being here doesn't mean he's being shunted out.

Nour sounds like he's doing well.

frizz I think they all feed differently. Ewan would feed for 10-15 minutes at a time, thrash about and then go back on. It would take up to an hour to give him enough milk to settle back to sleep. Cals completely different and feeds for about half an hour.
Well done on getting to your check up though. Glad to hear it went well.

BuntCadger Tue 04-Feb-14 16:12:06

Happy birthday frying smile wine and thanks and cake

Zachary has long feeds too.

Felix90 Tue 04-Feb-14 16:24:12

Toby I don't think they check at our local hospital. The NCT bf lady certainly said they don't seem to, and Sylvie wasn't checked. I think if she was I'd probably still be bf right now sad

Altered shockshockshock at your DH!!! That's just bloody rude! Definitely needs a kick where the sun doesn't shine.

Frizz well done on the bus journey! Was it loads easier than you imagined? I think for me, it's thinking about it which makes it worse and I know when I've done it once I'll be fine.

Frying happy birthday!!! thanks Good news on the shopping smile

Sylvie is still having problems with her tummy. She's really struggling to poo, but when she does it seems to be soft so I don't really understand why she's struggling. She has been crying/screaming on and off and really unsettled for about a week now, and she's constantly grunting and going red from pushing and I can see she's in pain confused I mentioned it to the HV yesterday and she said it will just be her getting used to the formula but it's been over 2 weeks since we swapped now and I would have thought she'd get a bit better at least. I'm now worried she's intolerant to milk but she hasn't got a rash (apart from some little bumpy spots at the side of her right eye) so I don't know.

Frizz1986 Tue 04-Feb-14 18:36:38

Happy birthday frying

I am bleeding still at 6 weeks and mine has been red the whole time. Doc didnt seem bothered and neither did hv.

felix i did a test run with dh so i wasnt so scared. It was fine just annoying that there is only really 2 spaces for prams so have to hope they arent taken.
Could the discomfort be gas or sylvie getting used to her bowels. Aurelia is the same and is very uncomfortable at times and is pushing away but v soft poops (shes bf) Have read somewhere that it takes them a lot of effort to get anything through as its still undeveloped or something! Mentioned it at docs and she straight away said gas.

frying happy birthday!!

altered and felix I'm going to ring HV tomorrow re poos. Since yesterday morning, no more poos, had another screamy morning of seeming to need a poo, pulling up legs, grunting, stinky wind and no results!
She's still having anywhere from 10-90 mls of formula top up.

altered kick your DH from me, eh? Feeding is tiring, not a rest. Dick.

frizz well done on bus journey. Contemplating attempting solo journey to get her BCG jab. Am I mad?

Congrats mrsv as well!!

Felix90 Tue 04-Feb-14 20:00:05

HV said it was because her digestive system is new and getting used to doing its job, but she just seems to be getting worse and not any better at all. She's just done a poo now which was very soft and now she's really happy sat in her bouncy chair thing! She's like a totally different baby. I just wish I knew the solution to make it better for her as she's crying in pain constantly sad

puggle01 Tue 04-Feb-14 20:30:18

Hi all, We've been having unsettled evenings too. Hugh just wants to feed, with intermittent scream feeding. Bedtime at ten(for him and me) then usually involves another hour and a half's frantic feeding until he falls asleep. I have managed (once!) to get him to sleep by rocking his car seat when we were out, and he will fall asleep in the sling if I'm pottering but I'm feeling pretty inadequate about getting him to sleep as I cannot do it. I'm sure a lot of the trouble is that he's overtired,but as he only sleeps on me/ cosied into me I don't realistically know what to do to make it better if he won't fall asleep when we're watching TV in the evenings. Bathtime causes a lot of screaming so its a daytime activity.
Moan over - I'm using the thread to vent as DH is away for work...

Sunshineseeker80 Tue 04-Feb-14 21:13:52

Another one with unsettled evenings here.... Thought it was just some kind of witching (arsenic?) hour but gave her some dentinox earlier as she has been v farty gassy today and hopefully it will help. Was a bit worried about lack of poo earlier but she had a full on up the back poonami so panic over there. Good luck to others for tonight, it's heartbreaking when you can't figure out what to do to make it better...

Total respect to those who's DHs are working away, you are my heroes. DH is currently rocking grouchy baby giving me 10 mins to myself. Would be a gibbering wreck without the short breaks.

Managed a trip into town on the train today and fed her in a corner office in the old workplace. Woo hoo! feeling v tired now though. Going to try a sling library tomorrow to look for something to carry Emily round the house / down to local shops in so I can have some hands free time during the day. They rent them for £4-£9 for a fortnight depending on the type. Am a bit scared of the wrap slings as I have a v wriggly baby but can you use the carrier ones on newborns? Amy recommendations for ones I should look to try?

TobyLerone Tue 04-Feb-14 22:27:36


GummiBear74 Tue 04-Feb-14 23:09:27

puggle, that sounds exactly like our evenings. Unfortunately, DH is the one who usually gets her to sleep at night, so we'll have to see how it goes tonight with me on my own.

Today wasn't so bad, managed breakfast, getting dressed, cat feeding, lunch and laundry on my own. Would've struggled with eating this evening, but had family help, luckily. Two days, two nights to go!

Felix90 Wed 05-Feb-14 01:12:44

Toby, lots of brew or maybe wine for you! Hope everything is ok?

Pidgy Wed 05-Feb-14 01:41:56

OMG....forgot how hard newborns are. ;-(

Poor DS was sick all over our bed tonight too. Just what I need. A sicky toddler and a baby that doesn't like to be our down.

Hats off to those with other children and husbands working away. I don't know how u r doing it.
DH is away abroad with work for 2 nights this week but I have the PIL staying. They are being really great which I am so grateful for.

Congrats mrsv. What a big boy!!

Can someone send me the fb link??

Also, I'm feeling v guilty at the moment as I'm realising that I can't give Lara as much attention as I did with DS. she does sometimes have to cry when I'm seeing to DS. I feel bad as for him I would rush to see what was wrong. Hope I'm not 'damaging' her.

I'm also worried she's had a few green poos. She's putting on weight v well and was 1 lb over birth weight by 15 days. Strange.

Think I'm just tired and emotional.

MrsVDB Wed 05-Feb-14 06:47:39

Advice needed please, especially from those with big babies (humpty I remember Alex is big). Still in hospital but hopefully going home today. Only issue I can see is Henry's blood sugar. They checked it as he is big but it dropped from 4 to 2.6 and then he's not feeding very well (annoying after good latch and feed I thought at first attempt) and as his sugar was below 3 a few times they insisted on giving him formula to get it above 3. Which I agreed to but wasn't very happy when awful midwife was pouring 20ml down his throat (unsurprisingly spat back up) then tried syringing it straight down rather than putting in a drop etc. I had been told newborn stomachs are only 5ml so was ck concerned about over feeding making my breast feeding attempts harder. In the end they have about 10ml which got his blood sugar above 3. The blood sugar last night (after my attempts at bf) were 2.9 and through the night he's cried a lot but I'm sure isn't taking much colostrum in at all so I'm sure today's checks will be lower again and back to mixed feeding debate. Are all of you topping up? If so how much?

Also the guidelines I've been given on meconium poos was to expect 1 on day 1. Henry has done 7 and seems to have tummy ache. Midwives are aware but from your experience can this be normal?

MrsVDB Wed 05-Feb-14 06:48:48

Sorry for me, me, me essay but only slept about 4 hours in last 3 nights and in a lot more pain than I expected so I'm really struggling

TarkaTheOtter Wed 05-Feb-14 07:22:31

mrsv his sugars sound in the normal range to me. Alex level was 1.8 at birth and I had to give top ups but only until they were above 2.6 for three consecutive tests and then they stopped testing and let me breastfeed on demand.
I wasn't happy about the top ups and they got a consultant to talk things through with me. Maybe if you kick up a fuss you can see someone more senior.

I know how difficult it is to watch them try to feed a baby who is just not interested. For his first two feeds Alex breastfed, then had expressed colostrum, then a 30ml top up and I cried whilst they were feeding him the top up as it seemed so much and he was so reluctant.

MrsVDB Wed 05-Feb-14 07:37:34

Thank you tarka that's so reassuring. They were worried due to the huge drop and want it over 3. Ill see how it goes today but know ill just worry more when I get home. I'm anxious of asking for help as some are so good and others are literally terrible. Prodding him in the face saying he's not latched properly when I've spent 20 mins getting him on and I know that he is. One even said 'get your tits out' ggrr

TobyLerone Wed 05-Feb-14 07:41:58

Thanks for the drinks, felix smile
Yes, all fine thanks! It's just so bloody relentless sometimes, isn't it?

flyawayblue Wed 05-Feb-14 07:57:16

mrsv we had the same thing as Alice's dropped bellow the hospital limit of 2.6 on her first day. They tried bottles but she was so sleepy she wouldn't suck so we finger fed (weird tube against your little finger that they suck on). Luckily this worked as they were talking about nicu which worried dh. Only had to top up until we had two readings above 2.6.

Maybe ask your hospital to discuss their cut off point as I know the student mw said hospitals can range from 2 to 3.

I'm realy sore this morning, breasts are throbing after every feed and my cs scar is also hurting. Those who had a cs when were your stitches removed? Alice is a week old today and I had thought they'd said day 5.

MrsVDB Wed 05-Feb-14 08:04:14

Thank you fly ill ask and see what they say

My stitches are apparently dissolvable so shouldn't need removing. So far the scar is fine it's my whole tummy which is sore

Pidgy Wed 05-Feb-14 09:09:11

Mrsv second advise above to ask to see someone senior to explain what they are doing. And keep feeding, feeding, feeding! They only need a bit of colostrum as it's rich. If he's doing lots of mec poos he must be getting some! It's a laxative as well.
You're doing great!! Some midwives are so blasé...they forget what a tough ordeal birth is and how emotional and new everything is.

Any one else having green poos?
I read something about too much fore milk. Any one got experience with it? Will ask hv but she's not back until tomorrow to redo hearing test.

BuntCadger Wed 05-Feb-14 10:45:11

pidgy - yes green poo can be too much foremilk so usually where baby is taking foremilk then being put to other breast and only getting foremilk there. iirc block feeding helps stop this. so for example, I feed Zachary one side at a time and if he comes off I put him back on same one if within the same hour (ish). If he's fed well for say 40 min on one tho and comes off then I may offer other breast then.

mrsv - when I had ds1 emergency cs hos blood sugar was unstable and he needed reg testing but the bitch mw continued testing even after all ok and I woke to find her feeding ds1 formula with a cup despite him being ebf. I was also hooked up to a huge machine to express and all this was before milk came in. I did not have a clue it took a few days to come in and felt awful and swear this contributed to PND. It ended up the mw was wrong and pead told her as much. I second speaking to someone senior. x

Thanks for all the birthday wishes, i had a great day!

Pidgy Wed 05-Feb-14 12:19:01

Thanks bunt. Think I've been swapping sides too much during her evening feeding frenzy. They feel 'empty' by evening so wanted to make sure she gets something but will keep more on one side. Hopefully that will sort it!

enormouse Wed 05-Feb-14 12:42:55

DS1 teething, had to put him to bed for an early nap, dosed up with calpol. Feel like a terrible mum not being able to split myself between him and Cal evenly.

Cal slept well last night, though not in his crib hmm. Swore I wouldn't co sleep this time around but it was just so much easier. Dp has been wonderful, he does the changing and settling Cal to sleep so I just do the feeds. Wish he'd learn how to keep the house tidy but he does brilliantly with the boys.

I feel like I'm coming down with a cold. Luckily Dp is back, though he does have to go in at 3 for an hour to teach guitar club. MW coming later to do Cals heel prick. And I have the asda delivery coming so tea and biscuit supplies will be replenished.

Oh and happy belated birthday frying! Sorry I forgot amidst the me me me ness of this post.

Frizz1986 Wed 05-Feb-14 13:27:25

mrsv no experience with this but i would speak to someone more senior if you are unhappy or have questions. Thats what they are there for.

pidgy i have read about green poos and foremilk as well. I always feed Aurelia from one breast, but she never feeds for more than 20mins. Atm she has only fed for about 10 mins, its really concerning me. If i feed her expressed bm she prob only has about 2-3 mls max and often we are having to force it. She only feeds every 3 hrs as well.

Also am starting to worry about her development (god its way too early to be worrying about that) but all the books and info say that by 6 weeks your baby should start to look towards noises and should track things as you move them in front of their face. Well aurelia doesnt pay attention at all. Her eyes are often wandering all over the place checking out the room (i assume) Should she be interested in toys? God i am worried that i didnt interact with her enough in the early weeks and now she is behind! She was born at 37+4, will that delay some of her development?

Felix90 Wed 05-Feb-14 13:34:19

Frizz Sylvie was born at 37+4 too and isn't interested in anything (she's 7 weeks on Sunday). She will look around the room at things but just states at everything blankly! It's funny when I'm talking and pulling faces at her and she just stares at me with no expression like 'what the hell are you doing?' Don't worry, she sounds completely normal! smile

Felix90 Wed 05-Feb-14 13:34:39

Stares not states!!

TarkaTheOtter Wed 05-Feb-14 13:34:43

frizz I always found those development milestones a bit ambitious. From memory they don't really get interested in toys til a lot older either. Dd is now 2 (well tomorrow) and seems to be more advanced than her peers (although that's just my opinion), but I also worried she was falling behind as a baby.

She also only ever fed off one side for 5-15mins every 3hrs. She was just an efficient feeder as she went from 25th-91st centile in her first 6months.

Frizz1986 Wed 05-Feb-14 13:40:04

Thanks ladies. I think its my concerns that i want to be a great mum and all the ladies on my nct fb group are chatting about feeding and toys. I guess none of them had issues with weight gain at the start (all theirs seem to have got to birth weight within a week or have at least been way above birth weight at 2 weeks) Think i am stupidly comparing us to them (i know i shouldnt) and it makes me worry that i am not doing something right, or worse, that there is something wrong with the little one.

At least she is having a snooze but my boobs are going to explode so i want her to wake up and feed (lots) Why when you want to sleep they just want to feed but when you need them to feed they just sleep. Damn it!!

Mythreeknights Wed 05-Feb-14 15:21:38

Another one with v fussy baby in evenings here...complete nightmare with hourly (I kid you not) awakenings from midnight last night. Having been spoilt with one feed between midnight and 8am for 2 weeks this has come as a bit of a shock. By 8pm with her brothers in bed and my energy rock bottom it really is almost killing me that she has her alert cluster feeding time from 8-midnight. Am going to try infacol and a first formula feed tonight to see if that helps.

I know there's a 3 week growth spurt but we are on night four tonight with insane lack of sleep and constant feeds. How long do growth spurts last????

Also she has a snotty nose which isn't helping. Argh. Get me through the next four weeks please!

Henry is bottle fed, but he cluster feeds from 5/6 - 10 every night. He's also really fussy then.

i swear he would have slept through, in his cot!!, last night if ds1 didn't keep waking, and coming into our room where dh let him sleep in our bed. Sigh. Got shot of one baby out the bed and then get another one instead.

when Henry woke he didn't want any milk, so from 10-8 last night. He just wanted cuddling.

he slept in his cot 10-12.30 and then in our bed until 3, cot 3-5.30. Not so fun

MerryPops Wed 05-Feb-14 15:48:12

Just to add to the feeding/sleepless nights talk, we had to resort to giving Xander a formula top-up last. He had been screaming non stop for 24 hours and wouldn't take from the breast at all as he was so grumpy. Nothing we tried worked and we were desperate so I used 30ml of the formula carton and it made such a difference, he slept in his Moses basket and was much more settled.

I think the problem is my milk hasn't come in yet and the amount of colostrum he is getting iant enough as if the latch isn't great he gets really frustrated and won't take my breast at all.

I am still feeding from the breast but topping up with 30ml as and when required. Also hand expressing to keep the flow going. I hope that when my milk comes in we might be able to drop the formula, but at the moment my boobs are still soft with no signs of the milk other than a pulling in my uterus when Xander feeds. So far the top-up seems to be working with a much happier house. I'm sure the midwife will have something to say tomorrow but we were really struggling.

BuntCadger Wed 05-Feb-14 18:04:36

[[ http://kellymom.com/parenting/nighttime/sleep/ sleep]] a link from kellymom as I see lots of us are having concerns re sleep and feeding. I just thought it might reassure you. They are any an all with little tummies and they also need to feel safe and secure and are used to being in the womb and naturally (like any you g mammal) want to be close to mum. its a survival j still ctx and a need as much as any other. anyway, I thought I'd post it.

Zachary wakes often some nights and sone nights sleeps for a stretch but he hasn't figured his pattern out but he's only 2 weeks and patterns will change as will his needs. I know nursing in demand and cosleeping isn't going to make a rod as I've done sane with all mine.

first full day without dh and si Dar we are surviving grin just got bedtimes to do.

BuntCadger Wed 05-Feb-14 18:05:11
BuntCadger Wed 05-Feb-14 18:28:40

Sorry for typos. hate this phone

MrsV they didn't check Alex's blood sugar (afaik) so no idea, but I am certain her stomach was not 5ml/marble sized at birth or at least it didn't stay that way for long, as from the start she took 30mls formula when I didn't have anything to feed her. Big, late babies simply can't need as much (little) food as small/early babies, it makes no logical sense, so I've ignored the advice.

toby sympathy. It is relentless. We get 1-2 hours every morning and about 2-3 most nights. Taking it in turns helps, as does the Hoover or singing at her v loudly. Survival is what I'm aiming for.

gosh meaning to say, I felt flat and sad and regretful (god, how awful) until about day 10. Cried loads. Now day eighteen and we are like different people. I've stopped feeling like I'm trapped in the house and the world is outside. Talk to us about it, that stage is crappy.

Did my first solo trip out today! Coffee with NCT friend, then went to lidl with Alex. She slept most of the time and I think the fresh air has helped as she's been less if a pain so far this evening.
Quite proud of our adventure. Next challenge: solo trip on train to BCG clinic. Eek!

Also, those with two/more, please don't beat yourselves up. I was talking to my mum the other night and she said again 'motherhood is the hardest job' and this time I realised how right she is. It's so tough, and dealing with two is doubly hard. Give yourselves a break.

Pidgy Wed 05-Feb-14 18:51:24

Lots of wise words above. Thanks.

I'm sure in a few months I'll be longing for cuddles with her but I just feel like I can't put her down at the moment without lots of crying. Thank god my pil are here to help with DS.
Need to get him ready for bed now tho. And he has the shits now. Grrrr. Poor (big) baby but it's really not what I need!!
Hope Lara doesn't get it. Eek!!!

TobyLerone Wed 05-Feb-14 19:54:23

Also, re having 2, you're all legends! I only vaguely remember it, but it was killer.

They won't remember any time they had to cry for a few minutes while you tended to the other one. And it will get easier, honestly. Especially if when the weather improves and you can get out of the house.

Meredith has celebrated being 4 weeks old by sleeping all day. So we might be in for a fun night! At least DH can lend a hand tonight -- he's got another driving test tomorrow, so he's working from home.

Felix90 Wed 05-Feb-14 22:13:44

Arghhhhhh massive rant alert! I need to vent before I kill someone!

Just had a massive argument with DP. He's doing an open uni degree and every assignment he leaves until the last minute and ends up having a work solidly for a few days before the deadline. I told him before Sylvie arrived that there is no way he can keep doing that as he can't pull an all nighter when there's a baby to look after. 'Oh yes ill get it done early when I'm on paternity leave as I've got 4 weeks off.' Has he fuck got it done early! It's got to be in tomorrow and as usual he's left it all to the last minute and only started it on Monday. So he's been coming home from work, complaining he's starving, then sitting down on the sofa with the telly on and doing his work. I've been rushing around like a headless chicken making sure tea is cooked, housework is all done, all the washing is done and looking after a baby who won't stop crying!! All of this on hardly any sleep. We didn't go out and do anything the past 2 weekends because he said he needed to do his work but he's just sat and played his ps4 or watched telly. He spent his whole paternity leave playing his ps4 and occasionally looking after Sylvie instead of doing his work. He said he would get it done by tonight then send it off tomorrow and we had plans to go up to his parents this weekend and go to the beach and other stuff and he's just turned round and said he's asked for an extension and is going to do his work this weekend. I said I wasn't happy as we had plans and this will be the third weekend where I'm sat in the house looking after Sylvie on my own, and he's turned it round on me saying I make him feel like shit making remarks like that!!!!! Arghhhhhh I could scream!!! I do all of his washing, make sure he's got clothes for work clean, make all of Sylvie's bottles up and feed her, change her, settle her when she's crying even though I'm in the middle of cooking his fucking dinner and he's sat about a meter away from her. I've not even managed to have a bath for 3 days because I haven't had time! He can go fuck himself. Oh and he said 'I'm trying to do something so we have a better future' as a comeback when we were arguing. I DONT CARE, DONT LEAVE IT ALL TO THE LAST MINUTE FFS!!!!!

I've left him downstairs with Sylvie and run myself a bath and I'm staying here until bedtime. Wanker.

Sorry that was long but I'm so angry.

MrsVDB Wed 05-Feb-14 23:26:21

I also second that those of you with more than 1 must be super woman!!

felix I really don't think men understand do they. We only came home today and my dh has gone to a colleagues house to discuss a crisis which I really don't think is great for paternity leave. Especially if he's only taking a week. Said he'd be 45 minutes and that was over hour and half ago and Henry has been screaming for most of it

Ive resorted to topping up with small amount (5ml) formula from a syring twice today as had to wet/ dirty nappy all day. I did have plenty of colostrum which seems to have gone and he just screams if I try and bf (although has the occasional suckle). Midwife coming tomorrow so will ask then

Also think he has bad wind/ tummy ache

TobyLerone Thu 06-Feb-14 00:18:51

Oh, felix, what a twat. I am furious on your behalf. I hope you have an easy night with Sylvie. And accidentally kick DP in the knackers every time you turn over in bed.

MrsV, keep trying to BF. It'll all help with your supply, even if it's not for long.

flyawayblue Thu 06-Feb-14 02:42:38

Yikes fleix, I'd be furious. No advice as if probably comit murder but I'm ready to murder people a lot at the moment smile

Alice had her first trip on a bus today, to the gp's for stronger pain drugs for me. We then got caught in the lunch time rain walking home, so wet so cold. I really need to learn to stand up to my mum as she 'suggested' we walk not bus to get the exercise.

Up with Alice who has started to get frustrated at the breast, keeps refusing and almost thrashing her head around when I try.

TarkaTheOtter Thu 06-Feb-14 03:14:36

felix grrr he's being a knob. And you can't have been making him feel that bad since he still hasn't got on and done it.

Alex and I just slept a three hour stretch I think! He was on my chest but still, it's nice to see some improvement!

My toddler is two tomorrow! It has gone so quickly.

Frizz1986 Thu 06-Feb-14 06:09:02

felix I would def accidentally wake him all night. Men are shocking sometimes. They have no idea how much it takes to look after a newborn. I would want to punch him in the face and goodies.
I give Dh one chore each weekend. He has chosen ironing the past 2 weekends but hasn't done it and is now being arsey as he has no shirts left. Well if you did the ironing at the weekend instead of painting your models!
They claim they have no time for things but have spent loads of time doing what they want, they just don't have time for things you want to do.

Pidgy Thu 06-Feb-14 06:18:56

Hope everyone having issues whips them into shape. They need to realise that it's a full time job looking after a newborn so they need to take responsibility for chores etc.

DH is away with work on what he let slip was a bit of a jolly but since his parents are here all is forgiven and it's good for his career so hopefully means I can have a career break!

My best Christmas present was a slow cooker - it's meant I can shove stuff in when I get a chance in the morning and it's ready during the carnage that is bedtime and fussing hours. Never thought I'd get excited over a kitchen gadget. what has my life come to!!??

Happy birthday to Tarkatoddler!

TobyLerone Thu 06-Feb-14 06:21:56

I love my slow cooker, pidgy!

felix what a twat!

happy birthday tarka

ds1 woke up at 5.45 and, as agreed, we let him cry. He wanted to come into our room. He's too tired when he wakes up and doesn't nap. It's not good. He yelled until 7 for mammy and daddy. He even tried baby Henry! We got him when the alarm went off and he was fine. He was just yelling becusee he was pissed off. His dad has given in to him for the past month.

happily my mom is here so we've had some good fun just hanging out

Felix90 Thu 06-Feb-14 08:39:44

Thanks everyone. I felt so much better after ranting about it last night! We're still not talking sad we never argue either so it's not nice when we do. Sylvie was really good last night and slept from 1 until 4, then woke up at 7.30, but even if she does cry he just turns over and covers his head with the duvet angry

Happy birthday to your toddler for tomorrow Tarka!

Spacefrog35 Thu 06-Feb-14 10:24:00

Has anyone heard from angel? I don't think I've seen her since we moved over a thread?

MerryPops Thu 06-Feb-14 11:21:16

Sorry to hear about painful dh/dp's. Mine hasn't quite recovered from the birth I don't think. He is someone who likes his 8 hours sleep so he is finding it particularly tough. Last night was the first night he had to be involved in caring for Xander overnight. Xander had a fairly good night, waking every hour or so, but we normally got him settled within 10 minutes. Dh was getting really frustrated that he was waking so often, he thought that he would go 3-4 hours unbroken at this stage! I am delighted as I actually managed about 2.5 hours sleep last night, the most I have managed since baby was born. Dh is acting like it was the worst night of his life.

Amazing how perspectives can be so different eh?

Frizz1986 Thu 06-Feb-14 11:34:41

tarka happy birthday to you toddler

pidgy i love my slow cooker too. Wish i had one that fried stuff too as i have tonfry off onions etc before putting them in so it still involves some effort. I think my sister has one that does it all.

merry glad you got some sleep. My dh is the same with wanting sleep. If he wakes through the night his eyes are so so red! He is ok with a bit less sleep but i dont think he can deal with broken sleep. He actually woke up last night when she cried though and held her for 40mins until he could get her back to sleep. He sounded annoyed this morning but at least now he knows what i deal with EVERY night!

I just went on a walk with pooch then dropped her off at home and went back out to the shops (obv with bubs as well)
Feeling motivated!

space i think angel must be due to be induced soon. Maybe things are happening instead smile

Mythreeknights Thu 06-Feb-14 11:50:38

Hi all, I am feeling merry again as the horrendous growth spurt seems to be over and I have survived without formula. I did use infacol last night fr the first time and the result was amazing...an immediate cough/burp/bark and she was relaxed again straight away. She was fussy as usual from six m until eleven pm, and ended up falling asleep in our bed, but she went in til half four!!!!!! I on the other hand woke up every hour to check she was ok (she has a runny/stuffy nose). I have managed to squeeze out volumes of green snot (using that squeegee thing you put in their nostril and squeeze, it sucks the snot out). Anyhow, having three children under the age of five at home today is manageable, hurrah hurrah. Have baked a batch of cookies and made fish chowder for lunch, and done the laundry.ni am woman, hear me ROAR.

Tomorrow I will probably be back to feeling like death warmed up. So must celebrate these good days properly.

Felix, if it makes you feel any better, my dh says he will help Friday and sat nights, but in all honesty he is so tired by then he is comatose. He will get out of bed and help when I have been up and down like a yoyo and do things like 'accidentally'leave the monitor on so he can hear her crying through a nappy change / singing lullabies to settle her etc. it's not easy, and for first baby I do think most men have the idea that since they don't have boobs they are redunant. Not true!

felix your DP is being a twat. He needs a stern talking to, this is unacceptable. His 'I'm working for us for the future' is nice, and admirable, but it's irrelevant to his sharing the load.
My DH just took Alex from 10-12 as she screamed 12-2, slept till 4, fed for an hour, slept for 20 mins, fed the other side, slept for an hour etc etc.I fed her 9-10 then napped while he looked after her, even though he was awake for the screaming too. Tell your DP this, and what others are saying, shame him into pulling his socks up.
Oh, and hope it was an ace bath!

mythree woohoo! Want to come and bake cookies here? wink

Alex is so restless, even asleep. She squirms and squeaks hrs whole time, then wakes herself up unless you soothe her through it. Growth spurt? Wonder Weeks book/app says this is first developmental leap and to be expected, any thoughts?

Naturegirl82 Thu 06-Feb-14 12:31:20

Hope your dh mans up soon felix

Well done Frizz on your outings.

We are driving down to London at the moment. First long car journey with Olivia. Hoping she just sleeps through most of it and times her feeding/changing with access to service stations but that is probably hoping for too much! Will be nice to see my family as none of them have met her yet. It's my grandad's funeral tomorrow so not the best of circumstances.

Naturegirl82 Thu 06-Feb-14 12:32:26

Glad you got some sleep mythree. I'm mighty impressed you are managing with three today!

humpty the wonder weeks were spot on with ds1. It was brilliant's

nature good luck with the drive and tomorrow.

frying good to know! thank you. Suggests we have a few more days to suffer...

Felix90 Thu 06-Feb-14 13:53:13

Mythree you are Wonder Woman! A bit more sleep makes you feel amazing doesn't it grin

Nature hope the funeral goes as well as it can for you all.

It's so difficult with babies going through growth spurts! When are they actually due to have them? I know there was one around 3-4 weeks but not sure about the rest.

I think DP has realised he's being a twat and he just text to say he's got an early finish today so make sure I'm ready and he will take me for a look round the shops. I'm excited to get out the house!

Sylvie was crying in pain this morning and it was the worst she's ever been confused I remembered frying (I think!) suggested using a cotton bud dipped in Vaseline up the bum to help get things moving so I gave it a go and she pooed straight away and was so much happier!!!! Her poos are still really soft so I don't know why she's struggling so much but it was a revelation.

I'm attempting to bath her on my own in a second and I'm terrified. Does anyone have any tips? I have only done it with DP so far. I have a baby bath, and also one of those plastic bath supports so I dunno wether to put her in the support in the normal bath and use the shower head to wash her.

enormouse Thu 06-Feb-14 14:38:58

felix he is being a twat. As everyone on this thread probably knows my DP was a right knob on occasion but he has really stepped up with Cal and DS1. None of his computer games have made an appearance and he has taken DS1 out while Cal naps so I can get some time to myself. You need to shame him.

I would go completely left field btw and wash her in the kitchen sink. It'll be easier on you, a better height and less of a faff.

mythree I think you might be my hero. I'm very slowly adjusting to having two (have managed laundry, making soup and bread today) but DS1 has a stinking cold and cough atm so he's not at his best.

nature thinking of you and your family and wishing you luck for tomorrow's drive.

enormouse Thu 06-Feb-14 14:44:57

humpty could you try swaddling her? Cal often wakes himself up, flinging his hands and arms up so I wrap him up a little and it seems to work

Managed to get out the house today for a bit which was lovely. DS1 got a much needed haircut and so did I. I feel much better and am back in my pjs now watching the big bang theory whilst Dp and DS1 go to granny and granddad's to show off his new hair.

Felix90 Thu 06-Feb-14 14:54:02

I used the bath support in the big bath and sprayed her with the shower head and it was dead easy! I don't know what I was so worried about grin I'm too scared to do it in the kitchen sink in case she's too slippy!

Pidgy Thu 06-Feb-14 16:33:15

humpty I second the swaddling tip from enormous. It's been a bit of a revelation for me and seems to be the only thing that keeps Lara asleep when I'm not holding her. Sometimes her arms are inside, sometimes outside but think it's the feeling on being snug and cocooned she likes.

Hv came round again today to redo hearing test. Unfortunately she failed again in one ear so we have to have a more detailed test done. :-(
Hoping it's just wax and nothing more sinister.

It was me felix! I'm glad it helped smile

i also just washed Henry alone today too! In the bathroom sink. It went well

enormouse Thu 06-Feb-14 17:51:06

Finally got DS1 to eat something. Am so relieved. He's been off colour for a few days and hasn't been interested in eating at all (even chocolate cake and shortbread have been refused). But he's just eaten a big bowl of brocolli soup and quite a bit of cheese on toast. I'm hoping this means he's on the improve. He's now snuggled up next to me with Cal in his bouncy chair, watching Dr who (again). smile

Oh, Cals hearing test needs to be repeated too. Wasn't on the ward long enough to get it redone. pidgy I thought it was a seperate HCP who does it, can HVs do it?

BuntCadger Thu 06-Feb-14 18:52:56

Long day here where all 4 kids seemed to need me all at same time. thankfully dh got home about 40 min ago so he's bathing 2 exile I settle Zachary and eldest is doing homework. how the heck do single parents manage?

BuntCadger Thu 06-Feb-14 18:55:09

We had heating test today and he wouldn't have the right ear done so had to have the brain activity test with the stickers.on his head, neck. and shoulders and earphones. All was ok

BuntCadger Thu 06-Feb-14 18:55:24


AnotherStitchInTime Thu 06-Feb-14 21:49:13

Hello all,

Ah bunt the joys of parenthood with many children, I have also been learning to juggle the needs of 3 children. I am re-learning the skills of one-handed bottom wiping and toddler-taming while simultaneously feeding a newborn.

Dd1 had to have a second hearing test done at the hospital due to failing it in one ear in the post-natal ward, it was clear. They told me it was because she had fluid in the ear which is more common in babies born by c-section. The fluid doesn't get squeezed out as their heads do not get compressed coming through the birth canal.

felix hope your DH has bucked up his ideas.

Just had my 6 week post-natal check at the hospital today and all is well so I have been discharged as an outpatient now.

MrsVDB Thu 06-Feb-14 23:19:51

Henry also had the hearing test repeated as failed one ear. It was suggested to make sure he sleeps on the good ear to give the other ear time to dry out. I did that over night and he passed the next day.

Great news another

Good luck angel and anyone else still waiting

Breast feeding support lady came around today and I've managed to express 190ml so far so feeling much more positive as he still won't take my boob. Hadnt realised how much they are supposed to have. Due to his size Henry should have 700ml a day. Today he's had about 70 and that's with me waking him every 3 hours for an expressed bottle. No dirty nappies (2 wet) so he's definitely not getting enough. Midwife is calling tomorrow to check if there's been a dirty nappy so hoping we get one overnight.

Pidgy Fri 07-Feb-14 01:59:39

Thanks for the reassurances. They did the hearing test twice and both times it said 'no clear reading' for the right ear so now we've got to have the next test with the sticky pads. Not too worried as left ear was perfect and I know she can hear. Just hoping it is fluid or wax. She has a cold at the moment too which can affect it.

Angelesque Fri 07-Feb-14 07:37:39

Hi guys - still here! Sorry for silence... I'm now 10 days overdue, and coupled with the polymorphic eruption of pregnancy (what a a STUPID name!) I'm feeling sorry for myself, so didn't want to subject you all to my self pitying whinging, thought it was better to shut up! Thank you Space for checking - all okay here, just feeling boringly sorry for myself.

Enjoying reading all your newborn experiences and learning lots which hopefully will help when baby deigns to make an appearance... Off to hospital this morning to have an examination (first internal - eek) and discuss options. Had been dead against induction; but am so OVER being pregnant now I'm tempted to take anything they can offer me!

Angelesque Fri 07-Feb-14 07:38:40

...and thank you MrsVDB too - and congrats! Off tO coo over pic on FB #ears grin

TobyLerone Fri 07-Feb-14 08:07:27

Good luck today, Angel!

MerryPops Fri 07-Feb-14 08:26:37

Yes good luck Angel

Think it's about time I joined the Facebook group, can someone send me link please?

Xander had a decent night thanks to the wonder of Infacol. Plus my milk finally came in yesterday, talk about robo-boobs!

enormouse Fri 07-Feb-14 09:23:59

Could I have the fb link too?

Cal woke up every hour from 4 onwards. I feel ever so slightly spaced out. Luckily DS1 has slept in. I could hear him coughing last night, poor little guy.

Cal asleep again now, so I can have a cup of tea and watch Frasier.

Best of luck angel.

Felix90 Fri 07-Feb-14 09:32:17

Merry robo boobs grin

Birth of you send me a pm with your names and I'll add you on FB then add you to the group if I can work out how to do it!

Good luck today angel!

Felix90 Fri 07-Feb-14 09:32:38

Both not birth haha

MerryPops Fri 07-Feb-14 10:28:28

Sent you a message Felix, thanks.

Lol at the typo we all have birth on the brain smile

flyawayblue Fri 07-Feb-14 10:33:05

Morning all and good luck angel, please rant / moan here we've all done in smile

Had a good night and have now managed to exclusively bf for 3 days, feeling a bit happier about that as Alice does have tt and cuts off the blood supply to my nipples some times.

I'm off to mau this morning (if I make it out the flat) as my cs scar is very sore and parts hard to the touch. Sure it's nothing but the community mw asked me to get out checked.

MrsVDB Fri 07-Feb-14 11:15:42

Good luck angel won't be much longer now smile

puggle01 Fri 07-Feb-14 11:25:31

Any BFers got a baby doing pesto poo? Its been pretty consistent for about 5 days with a more windy baby. I thought it was 6 week growth spurt but now I'm worried its either me swapping sides too much or to do with the massive cheddar consumption this week or just one of those things that will pass.....Going to try to remember to start with the same side if poss but worried I'll dent my supply and also worried about the reblochon I bought to make tartiflette at the weekend with mmmm

TobyLerone Fri 07-Feb-14 11:45:19

No.pesto here. I've heard that green = too much foremilk. I'm just here for the tartiflette.

Angelesque Fri 07-Feb-14 12:58:18

Hi - back from hospital. Quite a good result - despite no real labour signs I'm almost 100% effaced and dilated 1-2 cm so sounds like baby is ready to come. Had a sweep which is already making me a bit cramps. Was also monitored for 20 mins and am apparently contracting already although I can't feel them - hooray! They're a bit bothered about my blood pressure due to protein in my urine which I think is due to me giving the worst tiniest urine sample ever but hopefully it won't develop into anything.

Booked in for Monday induction but I'm really hoping we won't get to that point - really hoping to have baby over the weekend. Feeling so much happier about the whole thing!

I'm intrigued by "pesto poo" - good job I'm not having pesto for lunch!

Mythreeknights Fri 07-Feb-14 13:08:40

Good luck angel you have been v v patient. Fingers x for a quick birth for you x x

puggle01 Fri 07-Feb-14 13:12:29

Thanks Toby- I think I've been misinterpreting Hugh's signals and swapping too much. Just when I thought it was getting easier. Still, all good for weekend tartiflette on thr positive side!

Felix90 Fri 07-Feb-14 13:16:10

Angel that's great news! Hope the sweep works smile

MrsVDB Fri 07-Feb-14 13:16:47

Great news angel sounds like your well on the way smile

We've had dirty and wet nappies yeay! (Not sure I would ever thought I'd he happy about that!!) so just hoping he hasn't lost too much weight when mw weighs him tomorrow as really don't want to be back in hospital

Felix90 Fri 07-Feb-14 13:24:41

MrsV hooray for nappies! I'm always super happy when we get a dirty one haha.

Sunshineseeker80 Fri 07-Feb-14 13:25:32

Good luck for today angel and hope it all goes well. I had pep at the end of pregnancy and it was frickin miserable (apart from when I caved and scratched, then it was bliss for about 5 seconds. Bliss...). Stupid Drs didn't believe it was 'just' PEP either so tried to induce me for having OC (later blood tests showed I. Did not have OC but was already on delivery ward at that point, but that's a different story)

puggle I've just got back from feeding support group and a lady there had pesto poo (well her son did. She might have, but we don't yet discuss things tht intimate). She was swapping sides every 20 mins and the HV said that (too much fore milk, not enough hind milk) was causing it. They advised trying to keep LO on for 30 mins then breast compressions, then swap.

felix if I can figure out PMing can you add me to the Facebook group too please? ThAnks

Hurrah it's nearly the weekend....though my DH is being a bit of an arse and happily trotting off to get drunk with his mates watch football tomorrow and then we have to spend the day at his parents so arsehole SIL can meet the baby (despite the fact she is a stripy cow who hasn't spoken to us for 18 months, but she likes babies apparently. Grrrr). So not massively looking forward to it as there will be no fun for me. Ah never mind, he'll be back at work by Monday and I can go back to watching daytime tv smile. Am going to have some wine tonight for sure. Perhaps with tarttiflette also...

Pidgy Fri 07-Feb-14 13:29:11

We've had pesto poo seems to be at night so correlates with fussing in the eves when I think I was swapping sides too much. Her latch seems to have got worse and keeps slipping off and clicking. Just when I thought I had it sussed.
Doesn't hurt but not sure if she's getting more air.

Pidgy Fri 07-Feb-14 13:30:57

sunshine what's this about breast compressions?

Felix90 Fri 07-Feb-14 13:32:26

Yes sunshine send me a pm and I'll try and find you smile

Sunshineseeker80 Fri 07-Feb-14 13:45:02

pidgy' I think it's just a posh way of saying massaging your boobs while feeding to help them get the hind milk out. When they stop drinking and are more sucking occasionally then you gently rub / squeeze from chest towards nipple to help them get the hind milk out. They said some babies struggle to get the fattier hind milk so need a (literal) hand.

There's stuff on Kelly mom about it, and also here... breast compression . You tube makes a bit more sense than trying to read about it I think, although then it makes your you tube visit history look a little more like a young mans and you get lots of suggestions about more breast videos to watch grin

puggle01 Fri 07-Feb-14 13:46:56

That's really useful thanks sunshine I keep forgetting to ask my weekly question at bfgroup!

BuntCadger Fri 07-Feb-14 14:15:00

Angel - that sounds really promising smile hope you go into labour v soon. x

first day of dh working from home for his new job. It's ok except I never realised he was on hands free Skype and was trying to sort kids and a bit fishwifey blush managed to do lunchtime pick up with new 2nd hand Phil and ted buggy. dd liked sitting up front and Zachary slept well in cocoon. I'm physically knackered tho and now on sofa with Zachary feeding, dd snuggles next to me on ipad and ds2 playing on wii. he's had homeschooling already and tried hard all week so it's his reward.
We had the contraception talk from about everyone whos seen us. dh been considering vasectomy but we are certain yet. We don't want to actively try for 5th but we might let nature decide and then when I am 40 he will have vasectomy then.

TobyLerone Fri 07-Feb-14 14:20:23

sunshine, sorry you've got a bit of a bugger of a weekend coming up, but I did snigger at "she's a stripy cow" grin

Sunshineseeker80 Fri 07-Feb-14 14:25:58

Hehehe - oops. Typing with rage filled fingers grin

TobyLerone Fri 07-Feb-14 14:27:00

I sympathise. We have to do the MIL thing this weekend too.

Good luck angel!

Whoever suggested swaddling, I love you. She's just up from her first daytime nap in three days! Two and a half hours!

toby meant to ask did your DH pass his driving test?

TobyLerone Fri 07-Feb-14 14:44:08

Nope! And he's going to struggle to take another one for a while. The first available test is 3rd March and he starts a new job that week. He doesn't want to take time off to do it in the first month or so, and they don't do them at weekends.
What a pisser! Thanks for asking, though smile

I wish Meredith would be swaddled. I've just put a swaddle wrap on ebay because she hated it sad

Felix90 Fri 07-Feb-14 15:23:04

Sylvie hates being swaddled too and we have two wraps! I might try it with her arms out as she likes her arms to be free (to grab my hair and DP's beard grin)

TobyLerone Fri 07-Feb-14 15:32:36

I had 2 swaddle wraps too. I can't find the other one but it can't have gone far. If anyone wants it when I find it, let me know. I'm going through the baby stuff this weekend and it'll be there somewhere.

Frizz1986 Fri 07-Feb-14 15:57:32

Yay angel sounds positive

I havent tried swaddling yet but maybe i should.

30mins feeding??!! God aurelia never gets that far. Dont know if i could hold her in position that long.

Question.....what are babies belly supposed to look like? Aurelias looks huge, like swollen. When you look at her head on, her chest goes straight down but then her belly bulges out at the sides. Is this right? Could it be gas or a blockage? Having never had one before i didnt know if their bodies are supposed to just go straight down or if its normal for her belly to be wider than the rest of her.

BuntCadger Fri 07-Feb-14 16:49:57

frizz - Zachary has a problem with his tummy so it bulges. His muscles haven't formed properly so they don't meet. diastatis recti. In seeing Dr in Tuesday to discuss.

BookTart Fri 07-Feb-14 17:38:54

No idea if it is normal frizz but Persephone is exactly the same. I assumed it was wind as she's so farty!

TobyLerone Fri 07-Feb-14 17:39:30

Sounds normal, frizz. Babies usually have big round abdomens, big heads and skinny limbs.

Good luck angel, hope things a moving along.

frizz nour is the same, as was DD. Aurelia sounds baby shaped to me too.smile

Is bfing making anyone else ravenously hungry all the time? I am putting enormous amounts of weight I think and DH is coming home to biblical level scenes of destruction. Think several plagues of locusts, always moving in a gradient from least to most healthy.blush my willpower has vanished, and someone needs to stage an intervention before I cant get out the front door. It's just me, isn't it? grin

Real life is getting in the way so not caught up properly. As soon as it calms down i'll catch up.

Good luck to everyone who is struggling with non-sleeping babies, waiting for the baby to come, and visiting in the in laws this weekend

TobyLerone Fri 07-Feb-14 20:22:31

I'm either starving or just greedy, altered.

BuntCadger Fri 07-Feb-14 20:37:13

I can't remember who was still bfeeding in pregnancy. Just wondered if they are tandem feeding.

Sunshineseeker80 Fri 07-Feb-14 22:15:07

altered yesterday I ate 2 Mars bars, a snickers bar and 2 thorn tons chocolate cakes. On top of breakfast, lunch an dinner. I watched 'My 600lb life' last night on TLC and had a vision of the future. Will start on Monday....

Random few questions iam wondering about and could do with thoughts on if you please grin

1) how much time does your LO spend with no clothes on? I seem to keep Emily in full sleep suits virtually all the time and not sure if she should have more skin on skin time? She doesn't seem to like being naked that much...
2) how often do you bath them? See above. It's hard to bath a baby who doesn't like being naked, and am scared of how wriggly she got the last time I tried
3) does anyone have any experience of thrush in babies? Feeding saga continues - as my nipples haven't healed BF expert has suggested it might be due to thrush. Neither of us particularly have symptoms, but she occasionally et snappy rash. If they have thrush would they have nappy rash all the time, or just immediately after poops? Emily now only poops about once a day and she isn't red the rest of the time. Have swab test booked for next week but am impatient...
4) anyone know if you can you take probiotics and feed? Have bought some from holland and barratts as don't like yakult but wondered if they are ok to feed on.

Also starving, wake up with tummy rumbling these days!

toby that is a pisser. Can he get a cancellation retest? You have to keep checking online but it might help?
I'd love the swadde wrap if you find it, if you're sure. Would happily pay you for it! Was going to buy one more today, but didn't get around to it.

God I'm tired! She's still being a pain though, so no sign of a sleep opportunity yet. Should have taken the two naps earlier, but I stupidly used one to make lunch and one to go for a walk.

Sunshineseeker80 Fri 07-Feb-14 22:17:22

Sorry about typos...on phone. The nappy rash is quite nifty, but obv not a snappy rash smile

enormouse Fri 07-Feb-14 22:34:43

You're welcome humpty, DS1 hated being confined but Cal absolutely loves it. They're all different wee things.

Yes to the starvingness while bfing. Dp has gone to heat me up some tinned rice pudding as I'm still hungry. I may take out shares in pringles and haribo. I promise I'm trying to stick to mostly healthy snacks. smile

Finally got Cal to sleep. And DS1 at last, poor little man is all bunged up. I feel shattered now.

enormouse Fri 07-Feb-14 22:38:03

Toby I know humpty has dibs on the swaddle, but could you tell me what brand it is and where you bought it? I'm on the lookout for some swaddles as I'm crap at baby origami with blankets.

TobyLerone Fri 07-Feb-14 22:49:23

It's yours, Humpty, when I find it!

It's a Grobag one, enormouse, and I bought it 2nd hand on ebay.

Pidgy Sat 08-Feb-14 03:31:40

Thanks sunshine for the compression tip. I had weird visions of performing a hand squishing mammogram type thingy!

Lara only feeds for Max 10 mins each time. My DS was the same. Think I must have quick let down. She's almost 2lb over birthweight by week 3 so hv said that's fine. So whoever asked above about length of feeds, I really think it varies.

The swaddle blankets we have are 'Summer' brand. I love them! Only way to get her to sleep in the day.

My PIL go tomorrow. They've been here since Monday and have really helped out but will be nice to have my house back and be able to feed wherever I want. FIL would die from embarrassment if I whipped one out in front of him I think!

Re: contraception. Anyone got experience of the implant? I read you can use whilst breastfeeding. I want it soon as don't want any more accidents. Lara was a very happy surprise but to be fair we should have been more careful!

Bunt you are so brave and lucky too to try for 5! Deep down I'd love a big family (3 is big for me!) but not sure id cope! I'm finding 2 quite tough at the moment! Plus I was a right moany bitch during my pregnancy but could be due to having an appendicitis and feeling like death warmed up for a few weeks!.

Yy about you being brave to go for five bunt. I am one of five and so I know I wouldn't cope. I do feel sad that my kids won't have the same ready made gang as we did. My sanity aside, the dealbreaker for us is the cost of education in Egypt, which makes two a stretch and three madness. Or I could get them to wash cars at traffic lights and have as many as we want.grin

Sorry to hear about your DH's test toby. I hope you het there soon!

I made crepe batter but nour has woken up so can't make them! DD seems to think nour is just thick not a baby so is showing him how to walk.smile

AnotherStitchInTime Sat 08-Feb-14 08:49:10

I have a cotton grow bag swaddle you can have enormouse, pm me and I will post it to you. Mason isn't a swaddling type of baby at all.

MrsVDB Sat 08-Feb-14 08:54:14

pidgy I had the implant before and was really happy with it. Did take a while to get pregnant after having it removed but that could of happened anyway so not sure

That's so funny altered must be confusing for them!

MrsVDB Sat 08-Feb-14 09:27:49

Had our first poonami yesterday. I was changing the nappy and poo just started pouring out, every time I managed to wipe it up more kept coming!! Dh had to get kitchen roll to help. Then he did a wee fountain all over himself at the same time! (Baby not dh ha ha)

Also first hair wash which was a success and bath which he was less happy about and weed all over himself when we took him out in protest

At least I can tell the midwife today there has been plenty of nappy activity!

enormouse Sat 08-Feb-14 09:57:07

Thanks Toby, there are loads there. I'll keep my ebay trigger finger poised.

another have pmd you. Thanks loads smile

altered I'm sure DS1 thinks Cals a pet. He treats him like he does his grannys cats. Lots of heavy handed patting and pointing out noses, mouths, eyes. We're lucky the cats were hand reared.

BuntCadger Sat 08-Feb-14 10:20:55

Nooooooo we aren't trying for 5. We just don't know that we won't. No chance if anything for a while I'm too tired and feel fat.

YAY for nappies MrsV. We have a points system here where Zachary scores 3 fir weeing or pooing on mummy. he's got a fair few points already hmm he's quite sneaky and looks all thoughtful.

MerryPops Sat 08-Feb-14 12:54:42

Well hopefully angel is enjoying baby cuddles now, or is at least nearly there!

Xander is having tummy troubles, very windy and stinks of egg and goes v red in the face, you can hear his tummy squirming. Got some Infacol which has helped a bit but no poo for 3 days, we are solely bf'ing now and I know they poo leaa but not sure if I should be concerned? Next mw appt not until Tues.

To get us through the last couple of nights we have been co-sleeping cue much tutting from mother and we have all had a decent nights sleep. It has made Xander very clingy though, not wanting to be put down all day. We may have accidentally found a solution today though, my travel neck pillow had been thrown in the completely unused for days moses basket and after we went for a walk we put him in the basket resting on the pillow. He has now been in his basket for 30 mins, the longest he has been out of our arms in days. High five!

MrsVDB Sat 08-Feb-14 13:15:42

merry we have an eggy baby too and have been using infacol since the day we got home. Lack of poo was the reason I'm expressing rather than getting him to latch on as he just wasn't eating. Maybe call mw for advice as ours was worried about no poo for 24 hours.

MrsGSR Sat 08-Feb-14 13:28:17

I haven't caught up as I'm very sleep deprived, but hoping for some advice!
Breastfeeding is going really well, but she is cluster feeding all night, last night from10pm to 8am without going more than half an hour between feeds. I am so tired! Shes done this for the last 3 nights. DH took her downstairs this morning so I've had a few hours sleep but during the week he works long hours so I don't want to wake him. She's fussing whilst feeding and unlatching herself frequently so even cosleeping didn't lead to any more sleep! All I've read just says it's normal, which led to me breaking down in tears as I don't think I can do another sleepless night!

toby you are an angel! thank you.

merry we have the same, straining, red face, no poo on 48 hours regularly, but when it comes it's soft. I'm not too concerned, as she's putting on weight and wetting nappies regularly.

I had the implant, but didn't get on with it, made me bleed a lot. I had the copper coil which I intend to go back to, the lack of artificial hormones improved my skin and mood and energy levels immensely. Have to wait until 6 weeks pp to get another one May wait longer as not sure I want anyone poking around there soon but I loved the last one. Also no fertility implications as no hormones.

Angelesque Sat 08-Feb-14 13:44:18

Helloooo... V quick one while I have escaped the endless monitoring hospital ward. I've been back in today for more tests and they've diagnosed pre-eclampsia sad - very borderline (it's taken them hours to make up their minds - but no lovely MLU water birth which I'm gutted about. Probably due to now being 11 days overdue! Baby is all fine though which is the main thing.

Induction at 6pm tonight... Hoping to finally meet our little one tomorrow! Any tips for induction...?

MerryPops Sat 08-Feb-14 14:24:21

Thanks for the poo advice everyone, we have just had a poonami of epic proportions with an added spray wee for effect, so that will have hopefully have got things moving again. Like someone else said, can't believe I am so excited about poop!

Don't think I'll fancy a curry for a while, mind.

Percypiglet Sat 08-Feb-14 15:16:47

Hello all, random question but does anyone get really sore nipples when you feel cold? It really hurts!
Still only producing 10mls breastmilk on each expressing, poor child would starve it wasn't for formula. Now on fenugreek and GP prescribed medication to increase breast milk supply. So depressing when your body doesn't work properly!

BuntCadger Sat 08-Feb-14 15:17:16

mrsg - can you sneak to bed in the day or snuggle baby in bed and read/watch TV etc so you can snooze. I just went ape shit at dh. finally got Zachary settled as he's cluster feeding velcro baby like everyone's here and his total lack of parenting our 2 and 6 year old meant they woke him. sad I banged plastic jug down so hard i broke it blush

BuntCadger Sat 08-Feb-14 15:18:07

I don't think the amount expressed reflects the amount the baby takes as they are much more proficient at getting the milk .

Felix90 Sat 08-Feb-14 15:34:22

Just catching up quickly as we are at the in-laws!

Angel good luck for your induction. The only tip I have is if you end up on the drip, make sure you request any pain relief you have in mind ASAP as the drip ramps your contractions up like nobodies business! I requested an epidural quite near the start and by the time it was administered and started working I was in so much pain. Also take lots of entertainment as you will probably be waiting around for things to happen. You'll have your baby soon, how exciting grin

We are going to take Sylvie to the drop in centre soon. She's still having tummy problems but I'm sure it's not wind, and now she's come out in a rash on her face and down her neck. Totally convinced its milk intolerance so will see what they say.

TarkaTheOtter Sat 08-Feb-14 15:44:35

Let us know what they say about the rash felix as Alex has exactly the same thing. From googling I was hoping it was "erythema toxicum" and would just go away. It's pimply and quite red and angry looking. Having given up carbs when pregnant I will be PISSED OFF if I now have to quit dairy.

Felix90 Sat 08-Feb-14 15:59:51

Hers are pimply too! They only appeared after I stopped bf and changed to formula. I hope they don't just try and tell me it's wind because it's definitely not!!!

MrsGSR Sat 08-Feb-14 16:49:52

percy my whole breast hurts when it's cold, very annoying!

bunt I'm trying to sleep during the day when she does, but she tends to sleep at really awkward times so I'm either busy or physically can't sleep as I'm overtired!

angel my tips are to ask for pain relief as soon as you need it, don't wait 22 hours like I did, I was too tired to consider not taking the epidural. The pessary pains can be bad enough to need help.
Oh and take films/magazines as it's hard to concentrate through it DH seemed to think the Times crossword was ideal entertainment for induction

bunt I'd have broken more than a jug. Nob.

Still no poo. 36 hours on Poowatch, considering asking Chris Packham to spot me while I nap...

MrsVDB Sat 08-Feb-14 16:54:36

Good luck angel I second taking the epidural ASAP. I thought I could cope without but I was having 5/6 contractions in 10 minutes with just the gel must write up birth story! and the epidural changed the experience for me so much

Angelesque Sat 08-Feb-14 16:54:38

Felix thanks for advice - really hoping prostin gets things going; really don't want a drip!!! In induction bay now awaiting exam and first gel dose...

Angelesque Sat 08-Feb-14 16:56:35

Aha - thanks Humpty and MrsVDB - really good to know that even just the gel can ramp things up that much. Where is the f-ing gas and air?!!!!

MrsVDB Sat 08-Feb-14 17:32:21

Ok my birth story....

Went in for induction at 9am on sunday didn't get the gel in until 12.30pm and was 0cm dilated. Not a great deal was happening so bounced on the ball a bit, went for a wander and sneaked out to go collect our pram and went home to put it together. It was while we were at home I started to feel a bit of pain. Went back to the hospital at about 5.30pm and pretended we had been walking around the hospital

They put me on the monitor again at 6.30pm and as I was contracting every 4/5 minutes they wouldn't let me have the 2nd gel and I was told to either go into labour over night or they'd start the process again in the morning. Very frustrating as I was in no pain. They wouldn't examine me so don't know how dilated I was. We decided dh should go home as not much happening.

About 8.30pm I started getting tightenings every 2 minutes, not that painful but uncomfortable. Mentioned it to the midwife who put me back on the monitor and saw contractions were 5 every 10 minutes and quite strong. I was examined and Was less than 1cm dilated. They were worried I was contracting too much at this point. I was told I have high pain threshold as wasn't in pain really at all.

By 1.30am contractions still very regular and now painful so took paracetamol. By 2am I was 2cm and asked for gas and air. Called dh back at this point. The gas and air was doing nothing and when dh got back he realised the canister was off! No wonder I was in pain! They made the decision to move me to labour ward to pop my waters to relieve the pressure and hopefully get me dilating.

Went to labour ward at 3am as couldn't go to birth centre after having gel even though they said I could when id asked before. Was told I could have water birth on labour ward however when I got up there was told the pool was broken so couldn't use it even though they'd put me in that room sad begged for pethodine at this stage even though had said I didn't want it before. Pethodine did nothing. They then failed to pop my waters as cervix still high and 2cm. Head midwife came and had a go and I screamed the hospital down meaning 4 midwives came running in to see who was being murdered. She managed to.

Awful pain for next few hours with 5/6 contractions every 10 minutes but still not dilating. Got the epidural 3rd attempt eek at 12.30 pm while still only 4cm. Really eased the pain and still contracting strongly but got a few hours sleep.

Examined at 9pm and still 4cm with 'insignificant' meconium. Given the choice to caesarean or wait to see what happens in next 2 hours. Given no progress all day decided to have caesarean. Baby delivered at 11.34pm weighing a massive 10lb 4oz and 39cm head which is probably why I wasn't dilating as he just wouldn't fit down.

Lost 900ml blood and went into shock so dh held baby for first couple of hours while I recovered.

Long labour but definitely worth it smile

Pidgy Sat 08-Feb-14 19:22:59

Mrsv sounds long and painful and good on you for insisting on the pain relief. What a big baby! Lucky you opted for the section too by the sounds of it.

Percy yes, that first week when my nipples were cracked I couldn't understand why when I went into our cold kitchen they REALLY hurt..then the penny dropped it was from 'smuggling peanuts'!

Hope I get more sleep tonight as really snapped at DS for spilling a can of coke on the table and rug. It wasn't really his fault but stupid DH (who leaves a can or drink low down with a toddler about?!). Temper is v short and I felt terriblefor shouting. :-(

Pidgy Sat 08-Feb-14 19:24:38

Good luck Angel. Won't be long now!

Bluecarrot Sat 08-Feb-14 20:01:39

Congrats mrsv! Had a similar sized baby (11lbs) so glad I ended up with CS in the end too!

angel will be thinking about you tonight!

Can't believe almost everyone has popped now! Did I miss the start of the postnatal thread? I can't keep up!

Blimey mrsv good thing you had the CS! I wish I had stitches still aching

pidgy I'm sure he won't remember. And your DH might remember not to be so careless.

Angelesque Sat 08-Feb-14 20:50:19

Quick update - still on induction bay, hopefully being moved to delivery suite very shortly (which will also mean DH doesn't have to go home). Have dilated to 4cm so things are moving in the right direction - fingers crossed x 1,000,000 we get to have our baby tomorrow!

Can't wait to join you all in the land of sleep deprivation and cracked nipples don't remind me I said that in a few days

MrsVDB Sat 08-Feb-14 20:58:40

Great news angel good luck smile 4cm before labour ward is good going smile

Good news Angel!

best of luck

AnotherStitchInTime Sat 08-Feb-14 21:52:59

Good luck Angel my due date buddy, hope you are holding your squishy newborn soon x

Naturegirl82 Sat 08-Feb-14 21:56:52

Good luck angel

We made it to London and back despite the bad weather. Olivia was a dream in the car and slept, and managed to time our stop just right to feed and change her. Funeral went as well as could be expected. Was hard with my parents not being there though. But it was good to see the rest of my family and to introduce Olivia to them.

We discovered the miracle that is white noise though! I had downloaded an app just in case and the few times Olivia started to cry I turned it on and she fell asleep within a minute! Amazing! smile

nature glad it went okay. Was thinking of you. Well done Olivia!

angel good work! Have you had any pain relief? Don't be shy about asking, they don't offer. Good luck!

Pidgy Sun 09-Feb-14 00:12:09

Thinking of you angel.

Thanks humpty. I'm hoping he won't remember. He looked so sad tho poor little mite. Horrid mummy.

BuntCadger Sun 09-Feb-14 00:33:21

pidgy - I've been a bit shouty too and I went ape shit at dh today blush . However Zachary finally Let me have 15 min peace so I wrote ds2 and dd little letters for them to read on morning with little drawings on. ds2 was saying good morning and I loved him and he can play his fav computer game for an hour after breakfast and dd the same except she can do painting (she's 2). I drew hearts and smiley sun's on them. It's hard cos we can't give them the same attention when looking after newborns but remember when they we newborns they had undivided attention too xx

BuntCadger Sun 09-Feb-14 00:34:12

Angel I hope you are snuggling your newborn xx

Pidgy Sun 09-Feb-14 01:06:11

Aww Bunt, smiling at the thought of your children reading their letters tomorrow morning. :-)

Still trying to settle Lara. The last 'sneak into the basket' didn't work! I'm not completely addicted to mumsnet, honest! It does pass the time at night and keep me from drooping off whilst holding her.

Angelesque Sun 09-Feb-14 08:23:29

Still on induction ward... No gel as I'd dilated to 4 without it. No exams since then - really want to know if I've dilated any further... Hopefully getting waters broken today. This is all so slow...

Sultanajo Sun 09-Feb-14 09:24:03

Just caught up and forgotten most...

Great to hear about all the Henry's (slightly biased as my Henry snoozes on me making cute noises!)

Huge congratulations mrsv! Definitely sounds as though Caesar was the right way to go in the end...

Good luck angel! You have the patience of a saint!

felix will be really interested to hear your update re struggling to pass soft motions. Henry has been exclusively on formula for a week after slowly weaning him over the previous week and is doing similar things. He has always seemed to get upset when it comes to passing motions, even on breast milk, but it has definitely ramped up since being on formula and he has several long attempts throughout the day before finally producing something generally early afternoon. A couple of motions this week have been really formed (could still squish them) and hv said similar things to me, such as he is getting used to his bowels working in a different way and if you can squish his motions then he isn't constipated.... Am using infacol with every feed still. I hate seeing him so upset.... Just monitoring closely and like humpty I am on poo watch every day and stress out until he finally passes one!

Henry also cluster feeds afternoons and evenings and at just under 6 weeks is starting to fight naps and getting overtired. On the plus side (and it's a huge plus side) he is an amazing night sleeper (hoping doesn't jinx self now....!) although last night his snot came back so this morning he has slept on me again as I couldn't listen to him struggle!

Arghhh Toby! I feel for you with the marathon feeding/pacing....

Sorry for everyone else I have missed... Henry has woken and is upset about something so off to work out what.....

enormouse Sun 09-Feb-14 09:38:42

Good luck angel. It'll be worth it.

MrsV you were really brave to get through that. Congratulations on your little bundle.

pidgy I snapped at ds too. It's hard doing it with more than 1. He was messing about with his dinner and not eating it so I just snapped in annoyance. I felt terrible afterwards.

I'm having talks with my lecturers and I might be able to go back part time at the end of feb (beginning of new half term). I may have to take Cal with me but that's an issue that needs ironed out. Hopefully it'll be ok as one lecture is in the evening.

I'm going to need a huge bag to transport my laptop, and files and Cals stuff in and out of college if it works out.

angel how is it going pain wise? If they break your waters, it may be worth asking for anything like epi/pethidine before that as it can ramp things up.

sultana welcome to poowatch! It's odd how they struggle with such soft poos, eh? I can understand the 'unused to that muscle' argument, but when/how do they learn?

Today we have tried tights and a dress for the first time. Sleep suits are easier... shock

MrsVDB Sun 09-Feb-14 10:42:44

Good luck angel

humpty I keep looking at all the cute outfits I've bought but apart from his England rugby top for the match yesterday (far too big but v cute!) Henry has been in exclusively sleepsuits too

Felix90 Sun 09-Feb-14 10:46:32

Good luck angel!

Yes I never thought I'd be so happy to see a dirty nappy! She cried on and off last night and had lots of episodes of pushing and didn't get very far sad kicked DP at 6am to wake him up to feed her as I was exhausted and he took her downstairs (which means he will be complaining about being exhausted all day even though he's had 7 hours undisturbed sleep...).

Humpty I have so many cute outfits for Sylvie but she's always in babygrows as it's too much hassle to dress her in anything else. Whose idea was it to put teeny tiny buttons on the back of baby clothes?! They will be the death of me shock

MrsVDB Sun 09-Feb-14 10:54:19

felix I'm with you on the buttons, I'd read people say what a pain they are but never thought to check what I was buying. It seems nearly all gap clothes have buttons!!

enormouse Sun 09-Feb-14 11:39:50

felix I hate those tiny, fiddly buttons. Especially the ones on the neck. Much of my life is spent chasing DS1 trying to do those up (or persuade him that being without trousers is not the done thing). Having said that the sleepsuits that do up in the back came in really useful when he hit his (mercifully brief) undressing and taking his nappy off at night phase.

I like Cal in soft joggers/leggings and tops (h and m and asda are great) or sleepsuits and vests (sainsburys imho are the best). I do have a few proper outfits for when he hits 6 months or so.

BuntCadger Sun 09-Feb-14 14:24:20

sleepsuits here too, much easier. my fab are next ones with the fold over hand bits for when he's flailing. I think we will stick with sleep suits for months to come.

got lovely friends over today and they've gone to park with our kids and theirs and dh so just me and Zachary. he's still feeding almost constantly. I repeating "it's a phase"

I don't use the fold over scratch mittens, Henry doesn't like having his hands covered! It's rubbish because i really have to keep on top of keeping his nails short

TobyLerone Sun 09-Feb-14 15:32:16

Definitely sleepsuits. I hate separates on babies because they ruck up round their faces and you constantly have to pull them down/straighten them. The exception is poppered long-sleeved tops like vests. They're acceptable.

MrsVDB Sun 09-Feb-14 16:12:53

frying Henry is the same, I think his long arms don't help. He's dressed in a woollen romper today but will brave the trousers once his cord has fallen off

MrsVDB Sun 09-Feb-14 16:17:39

Just looking at how to register Henry and it says ill need his national health number, any idea where I'd get this from?

TarkaTheOtter Sun 09-Feb-14 16:27:25

Is it on his red book?

Naturegirl82 Sun 09-Feb-14 16:39:07

Olivia just threw up for the first time. She looked so confused bless her.

Felix90 Sun 09-Feb-14 16:41:10

MrsV have you had any letters from health visitor etc for appointments? That should have the NHS number on. May be in your red book too.

MrsVDB Sun 09-Feb-14 16:42:49

Don't have my red book until the hv comes on Friday so hopefully get it then smile

It's also on the hospital band if that helps?

you don't need it to register, just makes it easier

MrsVDB Sun 09-Feb-14 18:18:25

Ah ok ill have a check thanks frying

angel how's it going?

bunt we are turbo feeding today as well. Convenient with visitors, isn't it? I've managed to answer the door with her latched on though, so that's fun.
Trying to decide whether to brave BCG clinic tomorrow or wait until she's less unhappy during the day.

The tights and dress combo lasted two nappies then we reverted to sleepsuit. But we do have a photo of the dress (DM present) and tights (friends present, multi tasking, oh yes!) which means we never have to bother with either again.

TobyLerone Sun 09-Feb-14 18:54:57

We were never even asked for Meredith's red book/nhs no/our own birth certs/proof of address etc, all of which we were told we'd need.

Angelesque Sun 09-Feb-14 19:27:04

STILL on induction ward; no induction of any kind happened as they've been too busy for the last day and a half. I'm not a priority which I guess I should be grateful for, but it means I'm going nowhere. Barely any contractions today either so I feel like today has been completely wasted...

On the bright side, my blood pressure is down. They've also just moved the girl from the next cubicle who went from waiting for her caesarean to waters breaking and screaming bloody murder in an hour... Selfishly I'm glad they've finally managed to move her to the delivery suite as it's been bloody awful listening to her sobbing in agony. Particularly as when she was examined she was only 3cm...

Another night on the ward I guess! #bored

TobyLerone Sun 09-Feb-14 20:04:55

sad angel. Sorry you're having a dull time. You'll be wishing for boredom soon!

Sultanajo Sun 09-Feb-14 20:05:16

Yup sleep suits here too!

Angel! Omg! Really feel for you! Being on ward sucks enough once you have had little bubs, but hanging around with no definitive end to aim for must be so frustrating! Come on baby Angel.... Let's get a wriggle on for your mum!

angel it was like that for me. Well, kinda. One of the women in the ward went from 2cm to 8cm in an hour and was in agony. She sounded like she was mooing. It wasn't nice to listen to

TobyLerone Sun 09-Feb-14 20:19:59

Humpty, I found the swaddle wrap. It's blue and white striped, hope you don't mind that! I won't be offended if you don't want it smile

PM me your address, either here or on FB and I'll post it in the week.

MrsVDB Sun 09-Feb-14 20:52:44

angel it must be so frustrating but it's good news about your blood pressure

Embarrassingly that was me making a scene at 2cm on induction ward! One of the ladies who was there saw me when waiting for discharge and said they all felt sorry for me the next day which is so embarrassing as I was trying so hard to be quiet!

toby don't mind in the least, thank you! Will PM.

angel can't they send you home? How silly to keep you in if not inducing! Agree you'll long for boredom soon. Watch a film while you can!

MrsV me too, but in my defence, I did 22 hrs with no pain relief at all, from 0-4cm, and in agony from pessary pains!

MrsVDB Sun 09-Feb-14 21:28:39

humpty that's impressive! I'd had paracetamol, gas and air, pethodine and epidural by 4cm! After the midwives saying I had a high pain threshold it really didn't pan out how I'd planned! Thought I'd sneeze him out

Angelesque Sun 09-Feb-14 22:19:39

Thank you guys - it's lovely knowing there's a bit of a lifeline I can whinge to while I'm stuck in here! Need to get my contractions going and waters to break while I'm waiting I think... Any tips?!

MrsVDB Sun 09-Feb-14 22:37:56

angel Henry is feeding every 30 minutes to an hour this evening so I'm sure ill be around! Bouncing on the ball was the best thing for my contractions. Although it might be worth getting some sleep while you can

angel gotta say I second the sleep plan,I wish I had.
Otherwise, sideways up and downstairs is meant to work. I did five flights ten times and it did move me from irregular to regular ctx.

BuntCadger Sun 09-Feb-14 23:53:33

I third the sleep angel.

<waves to those feeding hungry babies>

was it here someone suggested white noise app? I used it after bath tonight and I don't know if Zachary was just super tired or the app working but he slept in his crib long enough for me to get dd and ds2 in bed with stories, song and nurse dd. made such a difference to the household, just giving that bit of 1-1 time.

Zachary finished his antibiotics now so I'm doing nights solo as no need for dh to draw up medication. means he will be more rested and it works for us as one adult tired is enough.

I'm going to try and take dd to dance group tomorrow which is a bit daunting but I plan to sit and nurse Zachary throughout. dh dies morning school run which will help. Mondays are mad here as ds2 can't stay at school x for lunch and he dies morning and afternoon. session on a Monday so lots of things and froing.

ds1 birthday is Tuesday and he will be 14! I can't believe it's gone so quickly.

I really rambled there grin sorry x

Pidgy Mon 10-Feb-14 03:13:47

Evening/ morning all!

Lara is in sleep suits most days except for a party when she wore tights and a dress (highly impractical) and we also have some leggings and tops which are actually quite easy to put on and off.

Know what you mean about struggling to poo. Lara grunts and groans in her sleep when she needs to go and then eventually does. Often picking her up gets things moving. Her poos are very liquidy so think it's a case of her learning which muscles to use.

Felix90 Mon 10-Feb-14 10:01:46

Angel the same happened to me. Was told they could break my waters then there was an influx of ladies in labour and I was pushed to the bottom of the pile until the next day sad hopefully it will quieten down and they can see to you.

Bunt I am the white noise app advocate! Seriously it's amazing. She also falls straight to sleep when DP puts the hair dryer on in the morning. It's funny to watch.

Had a better night with Sylvie last night. She didn't wake up once with tummy pains and just woke up to feed at 3 and 6. We've been giving her gripe water since yesterday, and also changed to 'comfort' formula (and I caved and gave her a dummy yesterday confused) so not sure what exactly has made a difference but something is working! Although as I type this she's laid next to me pulling her legs up and grunting/trying to push. Also she did three poos on her own yesterday, yippee!!!

Felix90 Mon 10-Feb-14 10:04:11

And she just filled her nappy grin

Frizz1986 Mon 10-Feb-14 10:36:35

I agree with the poops and straining. Aurelia looks in awful discomfort which i think is her trying to fart! Then all of a sudden exploding poo! Its sounds like her bum is blocked and then she manages to break the seal. Its a really strange sound.
She gets hiccups lots too and they make her cry!

Bad night last night. She woke loads and wouldn't settle. I cried a lot!

Naturegirl82 Mon 10-Feb-14 11:48:42

First solo day for me today. Olivia has been a bit unsettled this morning but has fallen asleep now. Aiming to go shopping in a bit, hopefully it will be ok.

Ive still not had a solo day with the kids. That is saved for Next Monday when my mom leaves the country

flyawayblue Mon 10-Feb-14 20:23:41

Had a lovely day but feeling like crap now as Alice had bad wind and can't settle. I've passed her to dh but feel like a failure as I can't make her better.

Sorry for the pity post.

Don't feel bad fly Henry gets like that too.

if we were breast feeding he'd be cluster feeding. It isn't fun.

i think he wants to just be close. I cam never work out what he wants

BuntCadger Mon 10-Feb-14 20:54:08

fly - they all get like that. I've passed Zachary over just for me to recoup and take him back. often really quickly

flyawayblue Mon 10-Feb-14 21:54:12

Thanks, think that's part of it. I am mostly breastfeeding and all she seems to take from me today is milk, not cuddles or comfort. Rationally I know she's just saw or grumpy but it's hard to belive that while it's happening.

Also my bleeding has ramped up today so generally feeling pathetic.

Hope I don't feel like this tomorrow as dh is out all evening for his work leaving do. Had a few hours by myself but this will be the first evening.

Forgot to say earlier angel I hope you have baby cuddles now and the long induction is behind you.

Frizz1986 Mon 10-Feb-14 23:03:40

Hope thinhs are going well for you angel

I have been massaging aurelias belly for most of the eve, resulting in giant poops and lots of farts. We even had wee coming over the top and put of the sides as she had just done a poop that filled the nappy and there was nowhere for it to go. Yay pee jeans again!

So atm we have the moses basket in whatever room we are in as we havent figured out her sleeping yet (she normally sleeps long in the day but not in the eve)
Are we making a rod for our own backs as should we be putting it in our bedroom in the eve and leaving her on her own so she gets used to it.
We tried it one night and she lasted 15 mins before she woke up and yelled and then she didnt go back to sleep.
We normally just take her up when we go to bed.

BuntCadger Tue 11-Feb-14 01:05:57

Long nite here sad w year old thrown up all over her bed poor thing. All. she wanted was mummy and Zachary been permanently latched on or screaming. he's been sick several times and poonamis so thunk he might have bug too. It's ds1 birthday today as well and me and dh going to be knackered

BuntCadger Tue 11-Feb-14 01:06:26

2 year old*

TobyLerone Tue 11-Feb-14 02:16:25

Oh, bunt, that sounds like a nightmare. Hope everyone has a swift recovery and DS' birthday isn't too badly affected. Bleach everything!

frizz, I don't believe there's any such thing as making a rod for your own back with a newborn. They don't follow the rules and we do whatever we need to do. You're doing bloody well to have her sleeping in the basket at all!
Babies don't start to realise until they're about 4 months old that when we disappear we're actually coming back. Newborns think we're gone forever as soon as we leave their sight. That's why sleep training a newborn never works.

Hope you're ok, angel.

I'm dying of tiredness!

MrsVDB Tue 11-Feb-14 03:10:59

frizz that's what we do too. I thought due to the SIDS risk they were supposed to sleep in same room as you including for naps?

MrsVDB Tue 11-Feb-14 03:14:59

The last 2 nights I have woken up grabbing dhs head and trying to pull the cover up on him to keep him warm. When I'm half asleep I'm convinced he's the baby! First time it took him waking up and telling me he didn't have the baby for me to realise ha ha. They look very similar but I'm sure I should be able to tell the difference!!

Angelesque Tue 11-Feb-14 05:31:41

Short but sweet update - Finn Thomas Sullivan (Sullivan is second middle name) born today at 2.41am by EMCS (eek) - 9lb 9 oz. He's the most beautiful baby I've ever seen.

More to come once I've slept...

Pidgy Tue 11-Feb-14 05:45:07

Oh bunt hope you're all ok. Not what you needed. Xxx

Bad night here and terrible day yesterday. At one point all 3 of us were crying! Made it out to a toddler group which was fine but once we got in was when it went downhill! Oh well.

This is probably a bad thing to say but not sure i'm really 'enjoying' these past few weeks. Just surviving each day. Lara is so needy compared to how my DS was! I could put him down and he'd look around and coo. She looks at you for about 20 seconds and then the crying begins. She's a good sleeper as long as she's being held which is tricky! My sister came up yesterday afternoon and held her for 3 hours and she just slept. If only she'd sleep like that at night.

Keep telling myself it's just a phase!!
Hope everyone else who is tired (everyone it seems!) and struggling is ok. We will get through this and look back with rose tinted glasses ready for the next bubba!.

Pidgy Tue 11-Feb-14 05:48:49

Congrats Angel!!

Love the name! (I might be biased tho!! Have probably outed myself but I'm sure I've mentioned DS name in a post many moons ago).

Looking forward to hearing your birth story and hope it wasn't too stressful with the section. Hope you're both ok. X

Congratulations angel!

TobyLerone Tue 11-Feb-14 06:20:34

Congratulations, angel!

pidgy, Meredith is the same. She rarely seems happy if she's awake, and she only sleeps properly if she's being held or is in bed with us. It's hard, and I sympathise.

Felix90 Tue 11-Feb-14 07:26:33

Yay congrats angel! Is this the last baby to arrive then?

Frizz1986 Tue 11-Feb-14 07:37:27

Yay angel

pidgy it's the same here although she does sleep in her basket at times. She seems to always wake up and just look around or cry. My boob is often the only thing that settles her so I think she feeds when she isn't really hungry.

Oh bunt that sounds horrid. Hope things get better

Well me and Dh have proved our sleepiness today. Dh gets up at 6 to leave at 7:20. Aurelia stirred and we both woke up looking at the clock and it was 7:05! Both slept through and thank god she stirred.

flyawayblue Tue 11-Feb-14 07:38:36

Congrats angel, lovely name. I hope it wasn't too scary with the induction then emcs - few of us have done that route recently if you need to talk.

At the moment enjoy finn cuddles and don't try to do to much smile

MrsVDB Tue 11-Feb-14 07:53:05

Congratulations angel hope the birth wasn't too awful. I had my emcs a week ago and I can honestly say I'm pretty much back to normal so hopefully be the same for you

Dh chose to just take the week paternity as I'm ok so first day on my own today. Typical that its the night baby won't sleep and is feeding pretty much every hour. Mil is visiting again this morning but plan to nap and have lazy day after that

TarkaTheOtter Tue 11-Feb-14 09:08:32

Congratulations angel!!

Dd has been up since 4am zzzzz. Not only am I exhausted but we've had several huge tantrums already because she's a toddler overtired.

Making very good use of my moby wrap now. I don't think I was tying it tight enough before so I felt like I had to support him whilst I moved about. Now I'm better at it I'm happy doing everything except leaning right forward in it. Although mainly I just potter about until he's asleep then sit down.

Sultanajo Tue 11-Feb-14 09:21:45

Yay Angel huge congratulations! Bet you are so relieved your gorgeous boy is finally here! Fab name too!

Felix yay for poos and farts! Lol! Henry has gone at the same time for the past three days, so come 3pm I start getting nervous until he produces one! grin

Poor Henry's mucous has got worse again the last couple of days.... He managed some of the night in his bed bless him but been up with him since 3am.... Yawn! Every time he reclines at all his nose blocks. He will only sleep on me daytime anyway, but it meant he couldn't go in his car seat yesterday so we couldn't go and meet the NCT girls and can't go anywhere toady either.maws planning on getting him a new baby carriers as the sling we have sucks....May have to leave Henry with DH at the weekend and go shopping for one by myself if the mucous doesn't improve....

Dreamt last night mucous was streaming out of his nose and I was so happy because it finally cleared! Got his 6 week GP check tomorrow, but am sure there won't be anything they can do and it will be a waiting game.... Saline drops perhaps made a tiny difference. Gonna try steaming the bathroom and then a warm bath.... We shall see....

Sympathies go out to all with lack of sleep and unsettled babies....

Also, Henry stays in whichever room I am in. The only routine we have at six weeks is I take him upstairs at the same time each night and follow the same pattern, including Ewan the dream sheep playing once he has finished his feed!

BandontheFun Tue 11-Feb-14 09:22:57

Congratulations Angel! Lovely name.

DH is back to work tomorrow. Dreading it, think I'm just going to have to accept the house will be a bit if a mess, will need to remember to eat, DH has been reminding me them making me food.

Harley's nails are getting long, went to cut them but it made me nervous, baby fingers and scissors don't mix, so just filed them. What do you guys do, any ideas?

MrsVDB Tue 11-Feb-14 09:27:02

band I just filed them too although his finger looks a bit sore so may have filed that too... Doesn't seem to bother him bit will have to be more careful going forward. Their nails do peel off apparently but I can't seem to do it

BookTart Tue 11-Feb-14 09:27:35

Congratulations angel! Love the name, and I hope you are doing well too cake

Another one here with a baby that will only sleep when held. Persephone is a month old now and I've never managed to get her in her crib. Co-sleeping terrifies me (and means I'll never see much of DH again probably sad ) but it is the only thing that works atm. Sympathy to all those in a similar position!

puggle01 Tue 11-Feb-14 09:41:28

Another velcro baby here- Hugh is a very sleep resistant baby but definitely will only sleep on me. My motto is currently co-sleep or no sleep but I'm trying very hard not to fret about getting him self-settling/in own cot - all seems as far away as teaching him to drive

Sultanajo Tue 11-Feb-14 09:43:14

I have just left Henry's claws nails and they so far all seem to have peeled themselves.....

Well after reducing the amount I was expressing I braved it and haven't expressed for 36 hours now.... So either my boobs will take the hint and stop producing finally and all will be well, OR my boobs will explode! Should know which way things will go by tonight or tomorrow morning. Feeling oddly emotional about my milk finally drying up, despite Henry thriving on formula now I have made the switch and hating having to try and express with one hand while holding a crying Henry in the other! My nipples seem to finally be healing too! Had forgotten what normal nipples look like!

Scary to see what my boobs will look like without any milk. I have always had full boobs, but they are already looking saggy and deflated.... If we decide to have another baby at some point then I suspect they will end up like spaniels ears!

I said to DH that I would be talking to the GP about contraception tomorrow and I was scared to do it again after my second degree tear! He said he would be scared too! I was referring to having sex. He on the other hand thought I meant giving birth! grin

At least the bum grapes have finally shrunk back down, but my bowel movements are only just starting to get back to normal....! (Tmi?) I really must write all of this down somewhere so if we do have another baby I will have some idea of what's normal.... Like having no sensation of needing to pee for a week after birth, meaning I properly wet myself several times when I squatted down to pick something up off the floor! Oh the glamour!

BandontheFun Tue 11-Feb-14 10:21:14

Will just keep filing then, just thought there may have been a magic solution that I hadn't heard of. You ladies are a fountain of knowledge.

Sultana so bowel movements do go back to normal...good to know. Can't even imagine having sex anytime soon.

Think my bleeding is dying down which is good, wearing a pad all the time is not fun.

MrsVDB Tue 11-Feb-14 10:23:47

sultana I'm surprised at how saggy my boobs became during pregnancy too. That and my saggy tummy where I'm sure I've split some muscles around my belly button giving me a very strange double belly look sad Henry is worth it though ask me that again next time I'm on holiday wanting to wear a bikini!

I've just noticed that some of the bottles we've been using are for 1 month plus so the milk comes out quicker. Henry is happy with them but should I stop using them?

enormouse Tue 11-Feb-14 10:29:56

Oh angel, beautiful name. Congratulations.

I cut nails when they're asleep or watching tv in DS1s case (post bath is easier).

I have had the worst night (sorry, this is going to be quite me me me but I need to vent).
The whole family is sick. I've caught it now too. Even Cal sounds quite snuffly. After spending the whole day tending to DS1 and DP I ended up being kept up by Cal who seems to be constipated yet gassy. Refusing to feed, refusing to sleep. In the end DP Sat up rocking him and watching through Supernatural.

What do I do? He's yelling in pain whenever he feeds and not sleeping. He has managed to get enough milk I think as both boobs are now empty, but he seemed in so much discomfort.
I've broken out the moby and he is finally asleep, albeit on me. I'm hoping he'll have a good long sleep and then be ready to have a good feed.

Naturegirl82 Tue 11-Feb-14 10:31:38

Congratulations angel

I was aiming to go to a breastfeeding cafe this morning, but as I'm still in pjs in bed and it started 30mins ago don't think I'll be going this week!

Managed to get Olivia to sleep most of the night in her crib last night which was great. smile

I really need to do something with Olivia's nails claws as she managed to scratch my nipple while trying to get her to latch on last night. The pain was excruciating!

Frizz1986 Tue 11-Feb-14 11:07:26

Oh no enormouse
Could it be the start of thrush or a reflux issue as i think i read that both of those cause bubs to be uncomfortable feeding.

Wrt nails, we dont cut and they seem to peel. We were told not to cut as the risk of going too far is very high although it does mean she has scratched her face a few times as we dont use mitts unless outside as the midwife said its nice for them to be able to play with their hands.

Aurelia went 4hrs last night before a feed and managed to feed and settle her this morning too.
Am hoping that my belly rubbing last night has got rid of a build up of gas so she might feel a bit better.
Have managed to have breakfast, put washing on, empty dishwasher and hem dhs trousers and she is still asleep! Hoping to get a nap this afternoon as dh goes out on a tues eve so am home alone and its a very long day. The past few tues have been awful as i havent napped as she has been grizzly and then i am so exhausted by the time he gets home at 11:30pm as i have had no one to help me all day. Dont know how you ladies cope with dps away from home.

I csnt remember who said what.

Henry is also still mucousy. It wasn't fun last night as we were both up from four.

cutting nails - i had more luck with nail scissors than filing. His fingers are too fidly.

bum grapes - i have one which will not leave!

sex - we've had sex a few times. First time was ok. It didn't hurt, i just didn't enjoy myself. The other two times we've taken it slower and it was brilliant.

breast feeding - sultana, don't worry. Your boobs might not get the message for a week or so, that's normal. It's also ok to grieve for the whole not bf thing. Honestly, it's totally fine.

Henry is 5 weeks tomorrow. He's been sleeping happily in his cot because (preparing for flaming) he sleeps on his belly. We have a sensor monitor mat thing which goes off of he stops moving for 15-20 seconds. It hasn't gone off. He's really happy on his belly, but obv its not something I'll be telling the hv about! He still comes into our bed when he wakes up in the middle of the night.

enormouse Tue 11-Feb-14 12:34:38

frizz I don't think that's it. He's woken from a long nap, had a big feed happily and is looking pretty bright now. Maybe he was just having a bad night?

His big brother otoh is worse. Pale, snuffly and miserable.

frying sex? I remember that. We're going to try for a romantic valentines day (no sex though). Maybe with the dine in for two offer from m and s. It'll be nice if we can get the boys to sleep first.

Mythreeknights Tue 11-Feb-14 12:44:03

A tip for the naily babies...try biting the nails down after their bath, apparently if you nibble gently it's much easier to manage than using scissors.

Little Lucy has been great these past few days...unsettled for sure in the evenings but I am relaxed about having her down with us in the kitchen whilst we eat and then the hair dryer tends to send her to sleep by 9.30pm if all else has failed. Last night she went from ten pm to four am then through to seven when her brothers got up, which is v manageable. The fact that I had to get up and tend to the other two in the middle of the night with bad dreams and needing wees is beside the point...

My problem is keeping her awake enough in the day...it's nearly impossible from about ten am through to about four pm...she just wakes for milk and a nappy change. Had a low moment yesterday when I had to bf in the waiting room of the vets.

Had lots of sniffles here too, but tipping her Moses basket up a little, saline solution and baby olbas oil dripped on a muslin near her head when she is sleeping is doing the trick more or less.

Sex...oh my goodness I am impressed! You have motivated me to have a shot for valentines...although as it will be our first time it will not be great. I was going to wait for my six week check but since I had no stitches I guess there is no need for that.

Congrats to angel too...are all the babies here now? I hope recovery is going well angel and you don't despair too much when the milk comes in, it is not pleasant. Get some cabbages in!

puggle01 Tue 11-Feb-14 13:27:13

very envy of those that can put their baby down for some sexytime wink

Frizz1986 Tue 11-Feb-14 13:30:46

Sex.... Wow not even close to that yet and it's been 7 weeks. I still feel a little sore sometimes and am still bleeding as well so I don't think we will attempt it any time soon.
Also how are you guys getting them to sleep long stretches. Aurelia seems no where near sleeping for longer than 3hrs or so. She feeds at about 7/8ish and has her bath and then she wakes by 10:30, then is awake by 2am and then is awake by 5am and that's a good night.
Should I be keeping her awake more in the day? I just kind of let her determine it all but want to get into a routine but don't know how.

Felix90 Tue 11-Feb-14 13:56:04

Arghhh I wrote a long post but lost it!

Sultana I stopped expressing completely around a week ago and milk had dried up by the weekend. I was a bit sad too but bottle feeding is working so well for us and I feel like my own person again rather than a milk machine! Also enjoying going to bed with no bra on and not worrying about leaking everywhere haha.

We had a bit of sexy action last night but not properly. Ive been ready for it for a few weeks but it's not happening until I sort out contraception!!! Have the 6 week check (2 weeks late..) on Monday so it will be all systems go after then grin

Enormouse we are getting the M&S deal too. Just hoping we can time it to be ready when she's asleep as she loves waking up and crying as soon as we sit down to eat.

Frizz, Sylvie only sleeps 3 hours at a time too. She will come up to bed with us at 11, wake at 1 for a feed, then again at 4 and 6ish.

Felix90 Tue 11-Feb-14 13:57:13

Pressed send too soon! Not sure if they are still a bit small to try and get in to a routine. There's no chance I can keep her awake during the day. Once she's asleep properly it's really hard to wake her up and keep her awake. I'm just going with the flow at the moment..

I keep start/stopping bleeding.

annoyingly I've started bleeding again. I think my body is telling me not to have sex for a bit.

MrsVDB Tue 11-Feb-14 15:14:54

I feel I might be being a bit ambitious... I had planned for us to go to a valentines meal in a pub/ restaurant at the end of the road. Figured we can always come home if its awful

I've got a really bad tummy today and first time of having to work out logistics of loo breaks with screaming baby... Who just puked up all over me...

Felix90 Tue 11-Feb-14 15:37:48

Ooh MrsV I'm jealous of your valentines dinner!!

For the ladies who are bottle feeding (or anyone else who can help!) - the past few days, Sylvie doesn't seem to be feeding as much in the day compared to at night. She used to feed around every three hours but recently in the day she will drink about an ounce then fall asleep, then wake up a bit later and do the same. It's taking ages for her to drink the usual 5oz and I don't know why! Also when she is feeding, she keeps fussing and crying and it's really difficult to get her to stay on the bottle. She will have a few sucks, then scream a bit then go back on the bottle and suck very enthusiastically then scream again sad I'm not sure if it's because she's still having tummy problems but it's quite odd. When it gets to the evening/night, she seems to drink the whole bottle pretty easily without fussing or falling asleep. Does anyone have any ideas why this is? Is it normal?!

Pidgy Tue 11-Feb-14 15:41:23

Sex?! I'm impressed! Last thing on my mind! but I know it's on DH's mind poor man. Still bleeding so have to wait. Too tired tho and would rather choose sleep.

I'm going to go for the implant soon I think. This little one was a bit of a surprise so I think I'm very fertile and fall pregnant easily (which I know is a blessing). Just had 90 mins sleep so feeling a bit more positive. Making good use of my sister whilst she's here!

Nails - I bite them off as was told this was safer.

Very jealous of those getting stretches of sleep! My grumpy girl is still nocturnal I think! And she's so noisy when sleeping half the time I still wake up! Lucky she's so cute and squishy!

Sultanajo Tue 11-Feb-14 16:30:56

Thanks ladies for the support.

I am mega impressed with all the sex! I am dreading it to be honest although am sure it will be fine. Am thinking of a non chemical contraceptive this time as am fed up with hormones all over the place! Anyone any experience with a diaphragm?

Felix, Henry does the weird fussing/pulling away and squeaking at me thing too sometimes but I haven't worked out what it means.... Could she be getting frustrated that milk not coming out fast enough?

Can't remember who asked about how to get babies to sleep longer at night. I have stuck to a bedtime routine, but am just lucky that at the moment Henry is choosing to sleep for a 6 hour stretch! If he didn't want to he wouldn't and I very much doubt I have had much influence. However, it has only been the last week he has done this. Prior to that he was sleeping on my chest every night! It wasn't until I woke up one night just as he slid off me onto the bed (omg!!! Scared the life out of me) that I decided I would try him in his bed again and he surprised me by sleeping thru! I think it's a case of giving them time....

curlywurlyllass Tue 11-Feb-14 18:26:16

congratulations on the new arrivals, hope you are recovering well.
how many more wee precious bundles to come?

am I the first to have their little one get the 8weeks jabs?
My poor wee soul was tag teamed by 2 H/V's and got them both in opposite legs at the same time..... he cried sad
and is now so worn out that he is asleep....in his moses basket shock horror!

good to hear 'relations' are starting to resume in time for valentines day. hope you all are being careful lol. I had considered the implant (cant remember who asked about it) but after my last experience with it breakthrough bleeding constantly and a never satisfied sexual desire I found it so sore to be removed after only 8 weeks that I vowed never again. I went for the POP this time and keep forgetting to take the pills

re bottle feeding, wee james drinks less through the day and from 7pm he wants fed every 2hrs! all through the bloomin night -_- oh for a good nights sleep!

re nails..... I bought the rounded tip scissors. have had to trim (then file, I love doing my nails and cant resist a wee file of James's) over 4 times now, they just grow soo fast.
wish his head hair would grow as well, he is still a baldy

was it frizz or felix who said about the rash/wee spots on the little ones face/neck? did you find out what it is? I asked a midwife today as she was preparing me for the dreaded smear test and she suggested going back to the GP to ask as he may need an emollient cream

little treasure has woken crying again, hope he settles soon and it isn't anything to do with the jabs

speak soon

Felix90 Tue 11-Feb-14 18:41:51

Curly we have the jabs on Monday! Not looking forward to it. It was me asking about the spots as I thought it was a milk allergy but I don't think it is now. They seem to come and go. Going to ask at the doctors on monday! Will let you know what they say smile

Frizz1986 Tue 11-Feb-14 19:12:00

My little one had spots too. Gp and hv said baby acne even though it looked really bad and had spread to her shoulders and chest.
Its def going now though. The spots started to clear and then her cheeks went really rough and red and now its all going away.

Have found a way to stop the sucking/clicking noise when breastfeeding.....squeezing my boob a bit while she feeds.oping that will help with the gas too.

I have got dh a card for valentines but we wont be doing much. Am hoping dh will make me jamie olivers mac and cheese for tea but normally i end up helping anyway. (The cheese sauce is basically different cheeses melted,not a white sauce) It is my bday though so cooking me tea is what i have asked for as a gift, its not for v day,
Feel a bit sorry for dh....wife with a birthday on vday and now a daughter with a birthday xmas eve. We'll have to aim for halloween or something next time lol!

Maybe try the next teat up felix? We're on size two teats at the moment, have been since week one.

Henry has spots, they are clearing up mow, but it looks like he has cradle cap on his forehead... Such fun!

i used to have the implant in, it was brilliant the first two times, but the third one lasted 3 months. I was horny all the time and wasn't satisfied at all. Then i was put on pop but got pregnant anyway. So vasectomy for dh and I'm not sure for me.

MrsVDB Tue 11-Feb-14 19:31:41

Henry had a blotchy rash with little white spots when we were in hospital which came and went. Apparently it's pretty common and he spots are filled with allergens. Can't remember the name I'm afraid but its cleared up now

Felix90 Tue 11-Feb-14 19:53:04

We are on size 2 teats already so not sure it's the milk not flowing fast enough. I think it must be because she's got trapped wind so is trying to squeeze it out and feed at the same time!

I am considering the implant as I was on the pill when I got pregnant (I kept forgetting to take it shock) so need something I don't really have to think about. Has anyone ever had the coil? The thought of it terrifies me.

TarkaTheOtter Tue 11-Feb-14 20:23:25

Alex had that pimply rash (on face/neck/shoulders) and hv today said it was just a baby rash and nothing to worry about.

flyawayblue Tue 11-Feb-14 20:46:07

dh is out and I've put Alice down in our room for her sleep.. have the monitor but how do people do this, it's terrifying! She's always been asleep in the same room as me or dh before.

Oh and for the rash / spot discussion Alice has some spots, poor girl is not doing well with my hormones (via bm) as she's had swollen breasts, slight discharge bleeding and now spots. Feel very mean.

Felix90 Tue 11-Feb-14 21:10:58

I don't think I'll worry about the rash then, it seems pretty normal.

Sorry I am asking loads of questions today - those with the dreaded piles, did you have to see your GP for medication or is there something you can buy over the counter? I've been fine post-birth until about a week ago and now I'm in agony and bleeding every time (sorry tmi!!). Got post natal check on Monday but is they anything I can do to relieve it in the meantime?

Felix90 Tue 11-Feb-14 21:11:35

Fly I'm sure she will be fine! Just keep checking on her if you're worried just to keep your mind at rest smile

GummiBear74 Tue 11-Feb-14 21:14:22

We also have baby acne - it can look quite nasty, but seems to change hourly. HV came this morning and confirmed that it's hormones and nothing to worry about, just doesn't look very nice.

I was also thinking about the coil for contraception. It seems nice and easy, so I'm going to ask about it at my 6 week appointment. DH is concerned about how effective it is, but considering it took over 4 years and 4 cycles of IVF to get pregnant, I'm not too worried (although how bloody typical would it be if I did fall pregnant accidentally now)!

felix, I'm BF and we have exactly the same fussing, pulling away and squeaking going on, usually in the evenings. I've given up trying to work out what's up.

MerryPops Tue 11-Feb-14 22:07:34

Evening everyone, my we have been active today! Only on a baby forum would you get talk about sex, piles, poo and skin complaints! Glamorous eh grin

Firstly congrats to angel you got there in the end. A few of us had the induction/emcs route it seems, naughty babies.

Xander had mw and hv appts today. After losing 11oz at 1st weigh in he has regained 6oz so bf seems to be going ok. Hv had a few things to say about us co sleeping but needs must at the moment.

Today has been his best day so far for being content in the day so we are bracing ourselves foe a rough night, we are also going to try him in his basket again tonight. Wish us luck hmm

Sunshineseeker80 Tue 11-Feb-14 22:27:42

Congrats on the new arrival angel , gorgeous name.

Sex... Oh my, I am impressed ladies. Seems a bit too ambitious for me right now. Especially as it would take valuable sleeping time.

Took Emily for her visa medicals for Australia today. Getting to the West End for a specific time was a drama...however I can confirm that you can comfortably get an Uppababy into a black cab when needed. She passed though so hoping we will get our final visas issued next week so we can book flights for start of May. Eek. We sat next to John Waite who won S2 of British bake off on the tube on the way home which was exciting, although Emily snored all the way home.

frizz / gummi my BF saga continues post tt snip as I am still not healed, which I suspect is because Emily has learnt a shallow latch and I can't figure out how to 'retrain' her. I watched the 'improve latch by improving positioning' videos on you tube intro one here and they have made another step forward! they are v helpful. The best ones are no 2 on cradle hold and no 7 on troubleshooting (which also recommends shoving as much boob in as poss). Since trying the stuff on these the squeaking has stopped (and she squeaked A LOT and loudly) and she is taking on far less air so less trapped wind. The other thing that has helped is 'the flipple' here. Weird but effective.

Pidgy Tue 11-Feb-14 23:38:22

felix, gummi we have the same fussing when feeding sometimes. I'm guessing she's over tired as she'll sometimes fall straight to sleep but then jerk awake. But I seem to blame everything on her being overtired so who knows!

I was on the mini pill but never remembered to take it and hence baby Lara was conceived. This is why I need something I don't have to think about. Might go for the copper coil or at least investigate further after experiences above with the implant although DH might like some of the side effects!

We've had no poos for 12 hours now which is odd as she usually does one after each feed. Hoping there's not an explosive one during the night!

Hope you all have restful and long sleeps tonight!! Fingers crossed.

BuntCadger Wed 12-Feb-14 00:19:25

saw Dr today and she said Zacharys tummy should heal over time. talked poos as if he gets constipated or in pain I need to seek help because of his diastasis recti. I remember when my other 3 were babies they could go up to a week without pooing. Dr said that's it's fine ad breastfed babies can have reduced poo as they absorb so much of milk. as long as there are plenty of wet and baby eating and not in pain.

flyawayblue Wed 12-Feb-14 04:40:54

Ugh dh is driving me mad. He wants Alice to have a routine as his nephews did at her age but also wants to talk to me through every night time feed, take for ever changing and taking to Alice and then get her out of her cot every time she gurgles. Just got grumpy with me as I wouldn't talk to him while feeding...

GummiBear74 Wed 12-Feb-14 07:55:56

Wish we had a problem with reduced poo! Just tried to change her as quickly and quietly as possible, so she'll go back to sleep, but poosplosion out the back of her nappy on to her vest plus sick down the front of her babygro meant a full change of clothes. Doh!

MrsVDB Wed 12-Feb-14 08:17:12

Oh dear gummi we had similar last night where 1 nappy change ended up using 4 nappies and a poo fountain... Nice

Naturegirl82 Wed 12-Feb-14 08:19:38

Hope everyone had a good night. Olivia slept the entire night in her crib, only murmuring for nappy changes and feeding. Hopefully may now have the right combination of sleeping aids to make this a regular thing.

Anyone have any advice on nappy rash? I'm assuming this is what Olivia has, only a small amount right between her buttocks. Making sure she is changed as soon as nappy wet/dirty and using metanium, and trying to give nappy free time. Anything else I can do?

I had the implant for years (had three in the end). It agreed with me, stopped periods etc. But my dsis and best friend both had it but neither of them liked it so had it taken out, so it's a bit hit and miss whether people like it or not. I'm tempted by non-hormonal contraceptive methods this time due to my pcos but will need to see dr/endocrinologist to see what the best option would be.

We're using metanium too. It's really good, clears it up very quickly. He gets a little next to his willy. He constantly poos so i think it's from that.

Henry slept in his basket from 9.30-4.30, woke up and slept next to me until 7.30 where i had to spring into action as ds1 has to be in nursery, 20 mins away, at 8. He only wanted cuddles at 4.30 so we got back to sleep in 5 mins.

i bet tonight is different!

enormouse Wed 12-Feb-14 09:13:49

Just popped on to say that I don't know who recommended white noise but I downloaded an app yesterday and it sent Cal to sleep after 15 minutes for 4 hours.

You ladies are geniuses! Thanks smile

Sunshineseeker80 Wed 12-Feb-14 09:48:02

Is there any particular white noise app you are using? I looked in App Store and there were loads to choose from...?thanks

GummiBear74 Wed 12-Feb-14 10:13:18

Also, what kind of white noise? I downloaded an app, thinking it would be like untuned radio static or vacuum cleaner noise, but it's all rainfall, bird song and lullabies. Is this the kind of thing people are using?

I've tried the Brahms lullaby on her and it may work a little, but I think it works better on me, which is not the desired effect! grin

puggle01 Wed 12-Feb-14 10:51:02

Jealous of these long sleepers. Still getting woken up every two hours but only one of those was for a decent feed grr!
felix, gummi we also have evening squeaking/boob bashing. At first I thought it was reduced flow so tried breast compressions - out and out screaming ensued. Did find somewhere in Dr Google's textbook that if they're comfort sucking then the milk flow is a bit annoying for them as they're not hungry- made sense to me but who knows if its true?
Tried a dummy last night but was spat back in comedy fashion so hopefully nipples will stay healed!
Off to find a radiator key - it was 14 in our room this morning. I was bloody freezing in my blanket co -sleeping arrangement. (Hugh toasty in his sleeping bag)

Naturegirl82 Wed 12-Feb-14 10:54:44

I'm using white noise baby app. Has loads of different sounds in it. That's for android so don't know if it's available on iPhone

enormouse Wed 12-Feb-14 10:56:34

The one I've got is called 'white noise baby' and its a free app on kindle fire. It has quite a few different sounds - doppler, heartbeat, shell etc. Cal seems to like vacuum cleaner the most.