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October 2013: The Fourth Trimester - the bit no one warns you about!

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roxvox Sun 27-Oct-13 16:24:57

Stats sheet here

New arrivals here

SC - still cooking (pre EDD)
SFW - still f***ing waiting (post EDD)
OWT - on way to theatre (CS)
IP - induction in progress
SWIL - somewhere in labour
LIT - lost in transition

Pinkforboys Sun 27-Oct-13 16:30:53

first in?

Slippysnow Sun 27-Oct-13 16:37:01

I'm here. This will be the thread where my baby is born. He is testing me at the moment, has been since the 24th. I had contractions every 6 mins this morning and I thought my waters were leaking. Turns out it wasn't my waters and my contractions mysteriously vanished within an hour of being seen. So off I trotted home, slow labour is exhausting.

Smitten1981 Sun 27-Oct-13 16:38:27

Baby thread for me too hopefully! Maybe the impending storm will jolt him into action tonight.

Will this be the last antenatal thread for us all?

legallyblond Sun 27-Oct-13 16:47:50

Marking place

Went to the midwife at a hospital today. Thomas has continued to put on weight at an average of 26g a day which is only just short of the 30g target so quite good I thought but not at birth weight yet and midwife wasn't happy with progress.

She also said the 40ml top ups are not enough and we should be giving 90ml at least, just as last time when we following instructions of 2ml- 10ml a time was not enough. It annoys me that they make you feel like crap for not giving them enough when were just following midwives instructions from the last visit both times. So now we have to have a bottle sad which i really didn't want to do. We have bought one that is meant to avoid nipple confusion and has a slow release so he has to work a bit to suck the milk out. he seems to like it and it is very quick and much less messy than a cup so hopefully it will help him grow and give me more time to sleep.

I am so tired I kept crying while we were there and had to get DH to read my list of questions while I tried to hold myself together. She suggested dropping to 4 hourly feeds which should help with the exhaustion. Hopefully that doesn't affect my supply.

Sorry for the mememe.

If your milk supply is low ask your doctor about domperidone Orange I spoke to a few women in Yorkhill who had it prescribed and it really helped. I've got an appointment with GP tomorrow in the hope of getting a prescription for it.

ImpOfDarkness Sun 27-Oct-13 17:18:42

Waters just gone, very spectacularly, so we're off to hospital!

Natalieand Sun 27-Oct-13 17:27:31

Good luck imp xxx

Pinkforboys Sun 27-Oct-13 17:29:26

Yey imp!! A storm baby on the thread. Good luck xxx

JellyCurls Sun 27-Oct-13 17:37:06

Checking in - good luck imp

apperleydapperley Sun 27-Oct-13 17:39:34

checking in - good luck imp how exciting! (have you thought of storm as a middle name wink)

Scraggyspanner Sun 27-Oct-13 17:46:02

Hello all,

I've lingered on the thread for months, I think I may have commented in the early days.

I was due last Sunday, no signs of anything happening at all.

Just back from a sweep where the midwife said my cervix was soft and had shortened to 2cm, she was able to get her finger in and do a good sweep. Not the most pleasant Sunday afternoon I've ever had! Feeling fairly emotional....

Hopefully it might encourage something to get moving.

Scraggyspanner Sun 27-Oct-13 17:47:00

So sorry, pressed send before saying congratulations to everyone who has already had their babies and good luck to those left. Fingers crossed all our babies arrive soon.

MrsHoratioNelson Sun 27-Oct-13 17:49:57

Checking in - exciting news Imp congrats on the new babies for Sanji and threeblondies.

C had been snacking a lot today which is throwing me a bit - lots of 5 minutes here and 5 minutes there. He's also been sick quite a lot - I'm not sure I'm winding him very effectively. I'm sitting him up and rubbing his back. Sometimes there is something straight away and other times he just protests so I stop. Then he's uncomfortable and then sick confused. I don't think it helps that he's having to gulp a lot because of my fast let down. BF is actually (whisper it) getting slightly more bearable - although he was quite unsettled last night which was hard work.

On the other hand he's now had his second bath - we have been quite slack about bathing him and obviously he gets cleaned thoroughly at each nappy change bit I haven't really been wiping his face and eyes etc much. How often are you all wiping face etc in between baths?

Soupqueen Sun 27-Oct-13 17:51:41

Hugs orange, it must be so frustrating being given a hard time for following advice!

T's weight gain is so close to what they're looking for, I'm surprised they've advised to increase the top ups. Is it worth giving one of the breastfeeding support lines a call?

Shirehobbit Sun 27-Oct-13 17:58:18

I second Soup - I'd call one of the helplines for some reassurance, Orange. You're doing fantastically well for Thomas, and so close to their 'target', you'll surely make it soon, get discharged, and then feel more able to do what you deem best for your son and sod the midwives.
Either way, hope you get some rest x

Natalieand Sun 27-Oct-13 18:17:47

mrshn your 2 days ahead of me and Harrison has also had 2 baths I also haven't been washed him except his bits and bobs at nappy change, as midwife said they are newborn babies they don't get dirty he also has quite dry skin so I don't wanna dry it out more with soaps etc even though they are baby soaps. Re: winding we pat Harrison's bAck and rub it and if he's being really stubborn we lay him down then sit back up in a tilt motion as that sometimes does the trick I've also started adding stuff for wind to a couple of bottles per day which obv u can't do with breast feeding. Sounds like your doing an excellent job Hun

PseudoBadger Sun 27-Oct-13 18:58:12

C had her second bath tonight (20 days old) and I wash her face with cooled boiled water if her eyes look crusty or when I remember

I'm finding this girl nappy changing difficult in terms of making sure everything is clean.... Any tips?

MrsHoratioNelson Sun 27-Oct-13 19:03:38

Thanks Nat, I was feeling a bit slatternly confused. He does seem to dribble milk all down his chin at feeds so obviously I wipe that up, but having been in the bath again his skin has gone a bit flaky again. I have very dry skin so I'm keen not to strip all the natural oils out of his by over-bathing him. As you say, how dirty can they get really?!

MrsHoratioNelson Sun 27-Oct-13 19:06:45

Ha Pseudo we're busy dodging the fountains of wee that C seems fond of producing just as you whip away the dirty nappy and before the clean one can go on...

I'm a bit tentative with his boy bits which seem to get stuck together between changes!

Natalieand Sun 27-Oct-13 19:12:05

Lol pseudo dh and I are having the opposite problem what with having dd, so not only are we changing the opposite to what were used too but dd has been out of nappies for over a year so it makes it seem even weirder. Were yet to be wee'd on though so that has to he an achievement right ?

roofio87 Sun 27-Oct-13 19:22:18

checking in. got a very upset windy baby like every evening!! will catch up properly later!

legallyblond Sun 27-Oct-13 19:25:29

Phew... Bedtime feed in the dark. V has been feeding or crying all afternoon..... Literally. Exhausting given there are two others also needing attention... I hate days like this!

MrsO27 Sun 27-Oct-13 19:26:48

Weed on and (projectile) pooed on. Popping a baby wipe on their little winkies helps. Supposedly the fresh air when the nappy comes off makes them wee! The joys.
I was told just to use normal tap water and cotton wool to clean baby's face and eyes (his left eye is sticky so needs cleaned a lot) but should it be boiled first?

mustardtomango Sun 27-Oct-13 19:28:26

Hi everyone, majorly late to the party but nursing our lo here now (came 16 Oct but was due Nov) and love to chat to others I'm the same position smile

Natalieand Sun 27-Oct-13 19:46:58

welcome mustard ds (dc2) was born on 16/10 too :-) (edd 14/10) xx

Sephy Sun 27-Oct-13 19:49:26

Hi mustard, congrats on your lo. Is it a DD or DS?

And pink, thanks for your comments on the other thread. I've got another midwife tomorrow so will find out about weight gain and will ask her about on demand if she is gaining. I think she must be now - so many nappies and has a much better grip on feeding than the last time she was weighed.

ananikifo Sun 27-Oct-13 20:15:05

mrs0 we were told to use cooled boiled water to wipe eyes.

nat it's quite an achievement if you haven't been at least weed on. We get open air wees and poos quite regularly.

J has a red bum so I was trying to give him nappy free time after a nappy change. He very quickly weed and pooed, triggering a new cycle of wiping him and using nappy cream. He absolutely wailed the whole time. It was one of the longest cries he's ever had and i almost cried myself because I'm sure his little bum hurt and I was hurting him by wiping it. DH had to come upstairs and tell me it was ok and I wasn't hurting him. sad

Congrats and welcome mustard.

This MUST be the thread for all those ladies SFW!

MoN my supply has been fine so far luckily, just wondered if cutting down from 12 to 8 to 6 feeds a day as advised will reduce it, other things I have read say no longer than 3 hours between feeds. Will see how it goes tomorrow. Great to hear of it starting to get easier for people. we had a comfortable uninterrupted easily latching 25 minute feed which I was very pleased with and gave me hope! We are going to look at going to a breastfeeding group this week.

Tried infacol today, thanks those who advised yesterday, and Thomas has just started doing sicky burps for the first time which i take as a sign it is starting to work. He is still uncomfortable tonight but will keep going to give it time to take effect.

Hope everyone is ok in the storm!

Mrs o midwife said to me cooled boiled for face but just tap water fine for bottom.

God luck imp! smile

Natalieand Sun 27-Oct-13 20:27:20

I'm feeling rage at dh this evening! Not
Only did he decide to stop at his NANs on the way home making him late home from work (on my first day alone with both kids) without bothering to tell me. Since he's been in he's done nothing for either of them except put dd's pyjamas on. I have asked him twice if ds's blanket is dry and if not can he put it in the drier both times he has F-Ing ignored me, and H is awake all evening every evening (obviously his awake time) I asked dh too take him for a bit as I've had both kids all day and wanted to get a drink and he just fucking ignored that too! Seriously I wish I could be the one escaping too work and coming home late sitting down and clinging on for dear life too the iPad for the entire evening!!! Grrrr sorry for the rant

PseudoBadger Sun 27-Oct-13 20:27:43

Pink you asked about MWs and feeding - I'm out of the area for the Whit home MWs so I'm being visited by Barnet. Most conversations about feeding consist of them asking how often she feeds (I reply "whenever she wants") and for how long (I reply "until she is finished"). I think they find me frustrating grin
However I had so much hassle from them with DS (along lines of others on this thread) and did so much research that I know she is fine and that it's ok for a baby who is gaining to feed whenever she wants (about every 2 hours bless she eats more often) and I know that her latch is good and I trust that when she unlatches that she's done. I still offer the other side though.....

PseudoBadger Sun 27-Oct-13 20:28:51

Nat - if dp tries to pull that one I tell him I'm going to the loo and just give him the baby. Lay down the law grin

grin pseudo I wish I had that confidence! Hopefully it easier second time around when you know what you are doing.

Three midwives three opinions this fortnight told me only one side/ both sides/ offer second side only if wanted so I don't think there is a definitive answer.

Haylebop12 Sun 27-Oct-13 20:32:48

Checking in!

Will catch up later when I've managed to eat something...

(Velcro baby today, very unsettled)

Natalieand Sun 27-Oct-13 20:35:10

I put him down in his Moses basket and he started crying so dh dragged it over to him so he's within reaching distance go keep giving him his dummy..... Probly cos he can see the tears going down my cheek. Seriously why don't men have any maternal instinct?

mustardtomango Sun 27-Oct-13 20:36:08

sephy we have a ds grin
Reading about the first day without Dh above and we've got that Tuesday... Feeling better about it than I did, but is a big old unknown territory right now

moonblues Sun 27-Oct-13 20:49:57

Hey everyone.

Good to hear from you MoN - (I'm not on facebook) and so glad to hear Eliana is home and doing well.

Forgot to say congratulations to redlips and welcome mustard

Thanks for the support taking, still feeling a bit rubbish tbh. Think the mastitis is getting better, but C seems to finding it harder to latch onto that side and has given me another blister - ouch! He's also had a total feeding frenzy over the past 24 hours and has been feeding every 2 hours, so I'm exhausted. Luckily my DH is off for another week, because I don't know how I would cope if he was going back tomorrow. Flyer hope you're feeling better.

Legally as always in total awe of you and the way you are coping.

Good luck Imp!

chickieno1 Sun 27-Oct-13 20:52:31

That's not good nat. Difficult to say what to do. Would probably go along pseudo's line of action!

orange how are lo nappies? Do you feel happy with progress? If so I would talk to someone else about sticking with your plans/schedule. You do know your baby best. Have a look on kellymom website too.

Also have issue with changing girl nappies after ds.

Cooled boiled water for eyes.

We don't use any soap/wash in bath. Just a bit of olive oil in the water. When we start using washes in a few months plan on using baby aveeno. Good for dry skin.

Welcome to lurkers and newbies xx

Good luckimp xx

mustardtomango Sun 27-Oct-13 20:53:11

Natalie I missed that - the same date! How are you getting on? The birth here already feels a long time ago... Xx

chickieno1 Sun 27-Oct-13 20:54:20

Congrats red lips and mustard

Natalieand Sun 27-Oct-13 20:58:15

I think that too mustard like if was many moons ago. Physically I'm not feeling too bad I had a small tear but no stitches so no soreness down there, still bleeding a bit though. Emotionally- I think I tend to get more emotional in the evenings, probly the tiredness from the day time. How about u? I feel like ds is loosing his newbornness but then when I see other people's babies that are a week or two older they seem to look newborn still if that makes sense?

Soupqueen Sun 27-Oct-13 21:05:44

G is 12 days old and hasn't had a bath. She has been washed with damp cotton wool once (other than bottom and face which are more frequent). The midwife today noticed she had dry skin and advised us to get a couple of products (I'll post them later, they're written down in a different room) and massage with olive oil so we did an olive oil rub this evening - I felt like I was preparing a baked potato!

MrsHoratioNelson Sun 27-Oct-13 21:20:17

C has either screamed or fed since 6 this evening - having been such a settled baby til now... I'm hoping its the atmospheric pressure from the storm or something. He was up a lot of last night too. Going to bed before tonight's onslaught...

Flyer747 Sun 27-Oct-13 21:44:09

Checking in....so tired tonight I can hardly speak. Will post tomorrow

GTbaby Sun 27-Oct-13 21:44:42

My BMI is 33 confused the highest it's ever been confused

Diet starts tomorrow

Wickedgirl Sun 27-Oct-13 21:53:11

Congratulations to the new mummies

flowers for those of you sfw and sc. not much longer hopefully.

Those of you that are bf, how many times a day do you feed? I am feeding 8 or 9 times a day but the midwife said that I should be feeding 10 - 12 times a day. Surely no one is feeding every 2 hours day and night?

Mnippy Sun 27-Oct-13 22:00:25

Marking place! Will catch up later.

xuntitledx Sun 27-Oct-13 22:04:13

wicked - I'm feeding more often than you but think LO is still trying to establish a routine.

During the night it's every 2 hours but each day we have a period of cluster feeding when he'll be on every 30 mins of so!

JellyCurls Sun 27-Oct-13 22:11:43

Nat I am also in a mood with DH so <hugs>.

Our DD doesn't cope with clock change so, as per every other clock change, she probably will be up between 4 and 5 tomorrow morning being very tearful and screaming at everything. Knowing that I am going to have a hellish morning as well as through the night feeds and have 2.5yr old DS to entertain all day he is away to bed leaving me to do late feed. His reason is he is working tomorrow. He sits on his bum in an office drawing on a computer, not exactly taxing.... Jelly is not amused

Sorry for the moan, just need to vent somewhere

chickieno1 Sun 27-Oct-13 22:15:26

Sorry jelly. Could you ask / tell him to do feed??

GTbaby Sun 27-Oct-13 22:16:51

I really feel like saying "tell the midwife to fuck off"

Does your baby wake for feeds? Are they gaining weight? Are they alert?
Mw told me to give 3oz top ups every feed. I didn't. However on DH insistence I did give 2 top ups a day. Despite ignoring mw advice he put on weight.
I really feel that mw want to discharge you ASAP so you are no longer under hospitals care.

If your baby is waking for feeds every 3 hours stick with it. Don't shorten/lengthen the time.
Orange moving to 4hour will effect your supply. If lo naturally moves to a 4hour feed then its ok.
I was also scared of introducing a bottle, however seems to be working for us and makes giving expressed milk alot easier.

Hmm my post seems a bit harsh. But to tiered to re word. Meant with best intentions.

GTbaby Sun 27-Oct-13 22:27:39

Oh and for tieredness orange can u just take to your bed. Enjoy baby cuddles and have dh bring you food? If he is at work , have food in your room? Pack lunch style?
Or if dh is off work (or at weekend) get dh to look after lo and you sleep. Lo is bought to you for feeding and then taken away so you can sleep.

Right better get ready for bed before nxt feed

mustardtomango Sun 27-Oct-13 22:30:44

Know what you mean about the emotional thing - every now and again I just get a bit overwhelmed... More the amazingness than problems necessarily, but Dh is suffering a bit - ds has, today, cried every time he holds him. I've left them a few times as it's important, but mainly he's only soothed when I've returned. I know it doesn't mean anything, but I really feel for him

Umlauf Sun 27-Oct-13 22:33:00

Checking in too!

Bronzemoth Sun 27-Oct-13 22:33:20

Mrs HN same here never would have thought of the pressure. Finally got him to sleep not looking forward to waking him for his next feed.

pink I've definitely experienced mixed messages and pressure to meet targets by the community midwifes. I think it was mainly one lady abut it then has made me sensitive to the process. Their priority has to be the baby but they should be at some recognition that it's an emotional process. There is one phone call that still upsets me when I think about it I don't feel they have always been supportive of bf but made it feel like an assessment process. The breastfeeding clinic I went to which isn't run by midwives (but was recommended by them) was great.

BridgetandtheHairyBrigands Sun 27-Oct-13 22:44:14

Hello ladies, sorry I haven't posted in so long - been totally absorbed in a bubble of breast-feeding hell for the past fortnight.

Tried everything to make it work - Tongue-tie snip, baby cafe, midwives, health visitor, NCT and hospital feeding team. We just can't get the latch 'right' and my nipples are now so mangled I can't bear the prospect of another feed.

The decision has been made to move over to formula but I feel utterly wretched and have spent the whole day tears. I was so determined not to fail again, but that's exactly what's happened.

Any tips on how to cope with the disappointment and the physical side of things (I'm trying to express and gradually reduce my supply) would be much appreciated..

Sorry for the me, me, me post - my head's a mess tonight. DP says he supports my decision but I feel so desperately alone. Wish I could go back in time to when I was still
pregnant and all my plans were still in tact.

MrsO27 Sun 27-Oct-13 23:05:15

bridget I don't have any advice but rest assured you're doing the right thing and have given bf a good shot. You should not feel guilty. Remember, happy mum = happy baby.

GTbaby Sun 27-Oct-13 23:19:52

You have tried so hard Bridget.
I think expressing to reduce supply is good. Gradually reduce time or drop sessions.

But tbh in terms of stopping bf the emotional side is so complicated.
Last time it didn't work for me. And I was disappointed but glad I didn't have to do it any more. I secretly liked I could give the baby to someone else. I was pleased dh could do the 3am feed. But I felt guilty for feeling this was.
This time Bf has been tough. But worked. At times I've thought ff was easier and I should jack it in.
And an very confused about how I feel about it. Despite wanting to get it right this time and it all working still wanting to give up.

More and more I'm thinking , however your baby is fed is fine. As long as he is fed. Being sore all the time n dreading feeds getting stressed is not the way to enjoy your lovely new baby.

Sry for mish mash thoughts.

Oh dear that my 2nd rambled post tonight. Sleep deprivation I think.

Going to watch breaking bad instead of MN. Lol

Shootingstarsandcomets Sun 27-Oct-13 23:20:46

orange I agree with GT I wouldn't worry about top ups if baby putting on weight. Also if you want to up supply don't move to 4 hourly feeds......feed as much as possible. How old is lo? If still less than 6 weeks I would demand feed as its a bit early for routines.
mrso I would use boiled water for the eye.
I hate clock changes, ds was up at 5 today and probably will be tomorrow. I did corn to bed at 8 and have had three hours sleep....hoping that's not all I get!
Good luck imp

Thanks all for your support and advice. he is 11 days old, loads of wet and pooey nappies, looking well.

It all feels like it has been taken out of my control and isn't up to me. I had planned normal on demand breast feeing.

Thinking about it I am surprised how quickly we were moved to syringe feeding in hospital (our first skin to skin hour only resulted in 5 minutes on off feeding so we did it straight away in the delivery room).
He lost 11% birth weight, found latching tricky and and was a bit jaundiced which led to more intervention.

Thomas wasn't/isn't waking for feeds (he maybe has never had the chance, starting off on a 2 hourly routine?) but he is now starting to show hunger signs in the day at least. I don't feel happy about 4 hours, I am going to do it at night as I am struggling with the sleep but with extra every time he shows he is hungry in the day and maybe some extra pumping to keep supply where it is too.

GT my DH is being amazing, I am just knackered.

No advice but thanks Bridget.

MrsHoratioNelson Mon 28-Oct-13 01:09:20

Bronze I was only really joking about the atmospheric pressure, but you're the third person to have said they've had a really fussy baby today, so maybe there is something in it after all.

notsoold Mon 28-Oct-13 03:17:01

Hello everyone!!!
Lurking but not good at writing with one hand!!!
Ds is also an Velcro baby and latch issometimes very tricky!
My fx to all sfw and those struggling like me!

I was always told to clean face with boiled cool water

Please can someone updatey details???
39 weeks
7 lb 11oz

Clapham...hope you are ok!!!
Nat sometimes we have to spell it out with dps... They are easily able to blank things out!!! Xx

Take care girls and now it is time to feed the boy again!!!

Has anyone else's LO decided that sleep is for the weak?
Charlie's decided that perfecting his pterodactyl screech is far more interesting than feeding, sleeping etc. Bet my neighbours are loving me right now!

Could someone add me too?

Thomas John
17th October
7lb 1oz

MrsHoratioNelson Mon 28-Oct-13 04:51:04

Sigh. Listening to DH, who said he was "happy" to dont he nappy change, getting cross with C sad

I wish he wouldn't.

Natalieand Mon 28-Oct-13 05:23:00

Dh and Harrison have redeemed themselves I out him down at 10.30 and he drunk 3.5oz and I just woke up to dh feeding him he slept all that time :-0. I'll have more if he carries on like that lol

roofio87 Mon 28-Oct-13 05:35:27

nat very jealous. my baby H has been up all night eating random amounts every few hours!! He's got a snotty nose so maybe that's why!!?!

GTbaby Mon 28-Oct-13 05:46:12

Orange I think your plan to stick to 3 hour feeds is fine. And 4 hours at night to sleep will help you rest.
Ps I was told lo would drink however much I gave him in the top up. And not to take it as an indication of how much milk I'm making.

An alternative to 90ml every feed might be 60ml, as he is only very slightly under the daily target weight. Also when he hits birth weight wean off the top ups. That's what I did. N now we have been formula free for a week. With my expressed milk replacing a feed here n there so i can rest.

Nat that's a great stretch of sleep. Wonder if your lo will be the first one to sleep thro the night! Think 10.30 to 5 is pretty much there!

PseudoBadger Mon 28-Oct-13 06:19:37

C woke every 2 hours last night <yawn>

Nat - sleeping through at this age is defined as a 5 hour stretch grin

chickieno1 Mon 28-Oct-13 06:42:15

Well done nat and H on long sleep

flowers to bridget. Soo sorry you're upset you tried everything and at the end of the day lo needs to be fed and you need to keep sane! Xxx

flowers for you orange

JellyCurls Mon 28-Oct-13 06:54:55

I HATE clock change!!!!!

Hope you all survived the storm.

JellyBaby fed last night at 7, tried to dream feed him at 10.30 but he refused and he never woke till 2am - 7.5 hours very good just wish I hadn't stayed awake for last feed now. Oh well we live and learn

Can't remember who is switching to ff but hope you get a sense of emotional relief now a decision has been made, I know I did. As for dealing with milk drying up I would advise expressing and reducing this by a small amout everyday. As for engorgement pain wear a tight fitting bra like a sports bra of even 2 bras for super support. Painkillers for when pain gets too much and if really bad express a little off. Engorgement will last 48 to 72 hours

Wickedgirl Mon 28-Oct-13 07:51:55

Amelie slept for 6 hours at night when she was just a few days old however, very young babies shouldn't be going that long without food. I am now waking her up after 4 hours at night to ensure she is getting plenty of food into her tiny stomach. I will do this until she is at least a month old.

Morning ladies, had an "interesting" first night with baby and a howling storm outside! He (still feels strange putting that!) is feeding well and plenty of pooy nappies but needs to be upright for quite a while after a feed or is sick, had a few full outfit strips! DD's are besotted DD2 especially, goes through every part of him, eyes, cheeks, nose, every finger etc saying how cute and how much she loves them smile The storm meant quite a bit of bed hopping/swapping DD1 ended up in with me but wearing ear muffs as baby was crying! lol!

Am expecting hectic day today, visitors and a trip to hospital as couldn't be discharged properly by pead team as they were too busy yesterday, wanted to get home so thought the compromise of going back today was worth it.

Looked down under with mirror last night, piles the size of grapes appear to be the source of my discomfort confused so will send my mum for supplies today! Right need to move got a baby wedged under my armpit a 4yr old diagonal on top of covers and 8yr kind of length ways under duvet at bottom of bed, guess DH is in one of their beds!

Bridget go with your gut instinct with regards to feeding totally believe happy baby = happy mum

clapham fingers crossed things start for u soon, xx

Can't remember who else I was going to respond to about what, I'll check back later xx

pinkbuttons Mon 28-Oct-13 08:16:56

Sounds manic but also lovely 3blondies hope you managed to get some rest.

bridget sending you hugs, I have no wise words but it really sounds like youve done everything you could and you really need to look after yourself now.

dilating vibes to all SFW...

any more storm babies??

with regards to sleeping, Isla is now 17 days, last week midwife told me I shouldnt let her sleep for more than 6 hours at night even though shes gaining weight but have been having to wake her up. wondered if anyone knew at what stage I can just leave her be? all a bit odd for me to have a baby that sleeps.

Sanjifair Mon 28-Oct-13 08:28:48

Hello everyone. Eloise Laura born at 4:05AM Sunday 27th October weighing 8 lb 13 oz.
Once I finally got a room, the induction went very well.
The registrar came to break my waters. However nothing seemed to happen. He was disappointed in himself, said it hurt his professional pride. He started talking about ELCS. Anyway, after he left the room a little trickle started and then a stream, so he had actually done it.

I then had to make the pain relief decision. You all know what had happened to me over the preceding 4 days, and I was an emotional mess. I didn't think I was in the right place to try a syncotonin induction with a back to back baby. So with some regrets I asked for an epidural.

The anaesthetist came and did the local anaesthetic and put in the needle but no drugs, at which point I got a big electric shock in my leg (normal, and I was pre-warned). However, I then fainted! While they were reviving me from the fainting, the anaesthetist had to go to an emergency in theatre. Midwife suggested getting the drip going, and see how it went. I thought this might be fate telling me to give it a go, so I said yes.
So started on drip about 9:15pm. Things went fine and contractions started slowly. I was coping just with breathing exercises. When the anaesthetist came back 3 hours later I told him I no longer wanted the epidural.
Went onto gas and air at about 1 am BST, and was coping OK. Midwife said that counted as going into established labour. At 3 am she checked me, and I was only 2-3 cm. I was so disappointed and felt like a right wimp as it was feeling pretty tough. This really dented my confidence. My midwife went for her break and at 3:30 I was finding the pain terrible, and the idea that I was only 3 cm and probably had more than 6h of this to go was unbearable, so I asked for an epidural. The anaesthetist was in theatre so not available. Midwife suggested pethidine to tide me over. I said yes, but it only really just took the edge off the pain. Some more waters came and the pain and pressure moved downwards. My midwife came back and told me to open my legs and push. I was like 'what, but I am only 3 cm?' She said 'no, the baby is coming'. So I gave a few pushes, but kept trying to close my legs (!), so she put me in stirrups. Pushed and pushed, and she told me I needed an episiotomy or I would tear. Then she said she didnt have the local anathaetic to hand. Then the next push the baby's head came anyway! All the rest of her with a gentle push and I had my baby in my arms. She looked so much like my DS that I assumed another boy and didn't check for a while. Was then amazed to have a little girl! My intuition clearly sucks, as do all the old wives tales re bump shape and heart rate etc! So happy.
I delivered the placenta reasonably quickly, then had to be stitched for a second degree tear.

All fine with Eloise, APGAR score of 8 as she took a little while to breathe as the cord was quite tight round her neck. Nothing too scary though.

So mother and baby doing well, I had an epidural free birth and am very happy about it. Only regret was having the pethidine. If the midwife had checked me before I had taken it I would have found out I was already 10 cm and I then would have just gone with it - it was the idea of hours more of that level of pain which made me want it. However, as Eloise was here so quickly after it was administered it didn't affect her in any way, so it was all fine anyway.

We are still in hospital, but breast feeding now established, so will be leaving today.

Thank you all for your support while I was on my hellish wait, it meant a lot to me. The midwives strongly recommended I complain via PALS. They themselves believe that they are chronically and dangerously understaffed. I will certainly be complaining when I have recovered.

rubytwosday Mon 28-Oct-13 08:50:29

Congratulations 3Bs! I hope Sanji is ok - have we heard from her since she got a labour room? Ooh and Imp? Feeling pretty crappy after very little sleep. A is very squirmy and uncomfortable after feeding and it takes ages to settle her - she just seems miserable and that makes me so sad. Everyone keeps saying "enjoy her" but she doesn't seem to be enjoying life. She is mega cute and when ever we have visited people she has been cuddled and seemed relaxed but at home it seems to be a constant battle to settle her then, when she eventually sleeps for a bit, a mad rush to try and get other things done. I honestly didn't believe mothers who said they didn't have time to shower or brush their hair with a newborn - I haven't had a shower since Friday, have had biscuits for breakfast most days and haven't hoovered in 2 weeks. How am I meant to have time to enjoy her? Sorry for the woe is me post - I know I am very lucky to have my baby, I just hate feeling that she is miserable and that I am not doing a good job.

rubytwosday Mon 28-Oct-13 08:55:19

Crossed posts Sanji! Congratulations - so glad you now have little Eloise after such a horrid time in hospital.

roxvox Mon 28-Oct-13 09:29:17

ruby we have a velcro baby. DH makes me breakfast every day, but if I needed to make my own then I would pop her in a sling to make it as I have done when I have wanted to make lunch or do a chore (do the washing or empty the dishwasher etc). Yesterday DH and I cleaned the house through for the first time since A was born. We waited until after she'd had a feed (so was a bit sleepy) and then popped her in a sling that DH wore whilst he hoovered. I did all of the dusting/the bathrooms. It went fine and she seems to like the white noise of the hoover smile

sanji I've said it on FB already, but congratulations! It was lovely to read your birth story, and whilst you might be regretful at having the pethidine, it's lovely to think that you didn't have the epidural!

No sign of clapham yet this morning. I have my fingers crossed that she's SWIL!

roxvox Mon 28-Oct-13 09:32:21

Oh! And I had a fussy baby last night too. She cluster feeds every evening, so that wasn't new, but then she refused to settle unless she was being held upright. As soon as I lay her down (next to me, or on me) she started crying. Then I'd sit up with her and she'd settle in seconds. Took me ages very slowly changing her angle from vertical to horizontal to get her to lie down next to me, but it worked in the end!

apperleydapperley Mon 28-Oct-13 09:57:44

morning. congrats again sanji glad it (sort of) went to plan in the end! enjoy your well deserved bundle!

very envy of those with babies that sleep 4+ hours at night. We are still on 2-3 hour feeding at night (on demand) but T slept for pretty much all of yesterday, just waking for food then going back to sleep again, which meant he decided that it was time to wake up (all) last night. He wasn't unhappy, but wanted to be awake and seemed to be looking for company and whinging when i tried to put him in basket and turn light off...hmm yawn.

bridget sorry you're feeling rubbish about the feeding, but as everyone else has said, you need to do what works for you and you have tried so don't beat yourself up about it. thanks

forgotten what everyone else said, but cake and brew to all x

apperleydapperley Mon 28-Oct-13 09:58:59

i will update the spreadsheet now...

Sephy Mon 28-Oct-13 10:01:57

Really wish I'd heard about the cooled boiled water for eyes sooner - she woke up this morning with a crusty yellow eye :-( Midwife helpline said to wash it with cooled boiled water today but if it gets worse or turns green or is still there in two days I need to take her to paediatric A and E. really hope she's alright.

And on other topics, for those bfing, do most people just stop once the baby unlatches? For my LO, that would generally mean she's fallen asleep. I tend to take her off and burp her and then get her back on the same breast except at night when she's generally not interested in a second go, and I feel like we all need some sleep.

apperleydapperley Mon 28-Oct-13 10:09:13

sephy i was told that if they have a crusty eye try expressing a few drops of breastmilk and gently wiping bad eye with it - it should help clear it.

cazboldy Mon 28-Oct-13 10:09:49

Off to hospital in a bit. I think she looks a bit less yellow so fingers crossed! Will catch up later x

MrsHoratioNelson Mon 28-Oct-13 10:10:06

Sephy that's what I do - if he's unlatched he's almost never interested in more.

Flyer747 Mon 28-Oct-13 10:18:09

Health visitor just been in 5 days Alexandra has gained 30g so still under what they want. I'm now being closely monitored every 2 days for weight gain and am being referred to the infant feeding team at the hospital. I could cry hmm

Sephy Mon 28-Oct-13 10:40:50

Thanks. Sorry to hear that Flyer - hope they're helpful at least.

I'll give the milk in the eye a go - dies it still work when it's not colostrum any more?

Thanks apperly for doing the spreadsheet.

Good luck Caz.

Well done sanji, sounds like you did amazingly. I know what you mean about the pethadine, I regret it too and only had it because I was "4cm" and couldn't face another 6-12 hours, but was actually 9cm. But good that things worked out to stop you having the epidural if you would have regretted that and it sounds like the right choice for you after all you had been through.

thanks flyer. She is going in the right direction. I hope the infant feeding team is helpful and not just more stress for you. She was quite a big baby to start with wasn't she? I wonder if part if it is finding her natural level...?

claphammama Mon 28-Oct-13 10:50:10

Congrats sanji! And glad you can go home today. Glad you managed to have epidural free birth after all - admire you after all the stress leading to your induction... But I bet it made it much quicker and you had less intervention than you would have had otherwise. I know from experience how hellish the drip contractions are...

And glad you had a good first night with your little boy blondies - looking forward to the name :-)

Also hope imp is progressing nicely - no updates from her so must be SWIL!

Unfortunately, I'm still here and as far from labour as I can be... 40+6 today, no signs at all and I'm gradually mentally preparing myself for an induction in a few days... Completely dreading it... And very upset with mg body that it doesn't go into spontaneous labour. I'm too depressed now to post, go on FB or even watch a film and read a book. Nothing distracts me anymore. DP working from home to keep me company...

Is everyone OK after the storm by the way? It was vicious in central London around 6-7am so I can only imagine how bad it must have been outside London... Hope you are OK and sorry so many of you are having problems with feeding and babies not putting on enough weight. I never had this problem with DS as he actually put on 50g 3 days after being born but I know it was super unusual. So i'm afraid I have no advice to share on this front. However, as far as I can remember, all my NCT friends had the same problems you have with midwives making them feel inadequate and worried. I honestly doubt so many women got it wrong and so many babies are in danger... Just using common sense, a lot of it must be overreaction... And babies are little people, not robots. Hope they are off your backs soon! X

Mnippy Mon 28-Oct-13 10:54:29

Congrats new mums! So so glad it turned out well in the end Sanji.

Bridget, so so much sympathy here. Feel free to indulge in all your feelings - it helped me to remember that they are about me - baby is fine with ff.

I am also struggling with the fact that MnipJnr gets angry and frustrated with my rapidly emptying breasts, takes less and less time on them and roots like hell until he gets formula. It's a vicious cycle. I feel like trying to increase production is like swimming against a very strong tide. I just don't have the strength to express regularly or through the night, feeding and burping takes 1 hour without expressing.

Wickedgirl Mon 28-Oct-13 10:56:20

Sephy.......Amelie had a crusty eye. I did one drop of breast milk into it and wiped away the excess. For the rest of the day, I wiped her eye with cooled boiled water. The next day the eye was clear again.
Feeding, I do the same as you. Once she comes off, I wind her and offer the same breast again. Sometimes she has a little more but mostly she is too sleepy by then and isn't interested. She is 2 weeks old today.

Health visitor is coming today for weighing. The midwife discharged us last Thursday (day 10) even though Amelie had only put on 1oz in 5days (she dropped 6oz in days 0 - 5). So she was still 5oz lighter than her birth weight. I really hope she has put on a decent amount of weight especially since she is no longer projectile vomiting!

Smitten1981 Mon 28-Oct-13 11:21:35

Clapham, I'm the same. Still no bloody signs at all and woke up at 2:30 this morning worrying about being induced and them making me stay on a hospital ward without DH there. I get really anxious and claustrophobic in hospitals even if I'm just visiting so this is really filling me with dread.

I was told an induction will be booked if he's still not here by my next midwife appt on Wednesday. Sniffle. He's cutting it a bit fine now really.

Also I have the worst pelvis pain, it's so stiff and achey. It's all really depressing me. And to top it all off I'm so bored I don't know what to do with myself, I can't even take the dog for a walk now as it's too painful to walk far.

Sorry for the moany post.

Oh, also I wanted to ask how the pets have been with the babies. Have those of you who have dogs had any problems?

claphammama Mon 28-Oct-13 11:26:59

my midwife appointment is on Wednesday too for my first sweep (have you already had one?) and to book for induction if it doesn't work. I'm losing hope now... I couldn't have the birth I wanted last time and now again things don't work out for me...

Smitten1981 Mon 28-Oct-13 11:36:42

I haven't had a sweep yet but hoping she'll do one on Wednesday and it will kick things off, she didn't mention doing one at the last appointment though, I hope it's not left to me to bring up yet again. My antenatal care has been so crap. It would be nice to know if any of the pain I've been having is actually doing anything at all to be honest. Probably not though.

I'm so uncomfortable hmm

Back to moping while shuffling about the house. I've decided if I am induced to just have an epidural from the start too. Not putting up with pain for a birth I really didn't want to have.

Pinkforboys Mon 28-Oct-13 11:42:26

clapham/smitten my sympathies are with you. The last few days are miserable especially when you don't feel mobile enough to do all those things people say you should with this time to yourself. Nothing I can say to make it any better or faster for you. I just hope the funny pains you're getting now are a sign that your babies are moving south and planning their escape...

I was wondering how pets were reacting too. Willow (our cat) occasionally gives me that dagger stare as if saying 'how dare you cheat on me with that strange looking creature'. She's taken to sleeping at the end of our bed now that DH isn't there to kick her off in his sleep, but disappears in disgust if Thea squeals too loudly.
How are everyone elses pets coping?

I still think half your MWs should be shot for stressing you out so much. pseudo i feel the same way as you- far more confident second time round. Babies are far more hardy than they look. Second time round this one is having to cry and amuse herself on her own more than DS had to- as no-one else is offering to do the household chores.

For those in need of a few mins peace- have you tried a mobile in the cot for entertainment? THe Tiny Love Symphony one (that I've mentioned before) is a godsend as it entertains with music and b&w patterns for 20mins. Enough time for a shower....grin

Sephy Mon 28-Oct-13 11:55:36

Thank you wicked, that all sounds very reassuring

Shirehobbit Mon 28-Oct-13 12:03:04

I was one of those a bit anxious about how our rescue hound would react to the new arrival, but he has exceeded all our hopes and been so accommodating of the noisy, demanding new being. There was a moment, somewhere around day 3-5, when he gave me such a look, a real heart-wrenching stare, that seemed to say, "oh, so this is really staying, then?" followed by the deepest sigh...
But he is my other constant companion, sleeping by me (or on my feet) while I feed. He gets a bit antsy if he feels he's missed out on a walk, or we're later going out than he deems acceptable wink and he's also become more vocal/defensive with people coming to the door - so I'm keeping a close eye on that.
But, bearing in mind we have no idea what his history is, or why a beautiful dog that had clearly been a family pet at some point had been thrown out of the house and starved, our worst fears were that maybe he'd reacted badly to a new arrival in that family. But it's going better than we could have hoped grin

MrsHoratioNelson Mon 28-Oct-13 12:14:35

Well, DH's first day back at work and C is fed - overfed in fact, greedy bugger - and I'm showered and dressed of sorts. Loose pyjama trousers that I didn't wear to bed counts as dressed, right?! grin

We also dealt with our first projectile vomit incident at about 5:30 this morning - I sat C up to wind him and what looked like the entire feed came straight back up again all over the duvet and matteess. Off to google waterproof covers for the bed. Any recommendations?

Pinkforboys Mon 28-Oct-13 12:16:45

Anyone ese being ridiculously clumsy? This morning I've broken my hair-drier and the washing-airer. What next...?

doobeedee Mon 28-Oct-13 12:22:42

Milk in the eye definitely works. Really quickly too.

roxvox Mon 28-Oct-13 12:47:46

Has anyone ever had a baby with reflux? What did he/she do that made you realise it was reflux?

notsoold Mon 28-Oct-13 13:07:52

Smittem....our king Charles has been really good with Joe....but dh is at hand to give her lap...otherwise she sits on my feet looking forlorn without her lap occupied by baby....

roxvox DS had silent reflux - its difficult to diagnose as symptons are the same as colic etc. A BF counsellor suggested to me that he may have it due to his feeding and sleeping behaviour - he used to 'feed' for up to 15 hours in 24 hours, would scream when placed on his back etc. We basically only knew it was reflux once the symptons eased with baby gaviscon.

Weigh in for emilia this morning - she has put on just under a kilo at 3 weeks, and tracking the 75 percentile, so all good here. HV useless though - 'how often is she feeding', 'er, on demand, varies', 'but every 3 hours yes?', 'no, on demand', 'well she should be feeding abput every 3 hours', ' er no, she feeds when she tells me she is hungry'. They honestly know sod all about bf, and it makes me so cross to see all the crap advice you guys are being given. orange, suggesting your baby needs a massive 90ml top up when 4g under their target, but then suggesting you extend to 4 hours between feeds - how does that make any sense? Graa, makes me angry

roofio87 Mon 28-Oct-13 13:15:53

I've braved the elements and made it out to the retail park near us for our first big trip out just the two of us.we even had our first bus journey! (H's first, not mine!) we're now in the cafe in kiddicare having a drink. not been too stressful so far, apart from the sudden big shower we got caught in!!!

legallyblond Mon 28-Oct-13 14:04:28

Huge congratulations on the new arrivals!!!!!!!

Flyer flowers... She is gaining, not still losing, that's the main thing. My closest friend has a six month old. Her DD (no 2, and she bf no 1, so she had confidence) lost 11% of birthweight and took over three weeks to get back to birthweight. My friend just ignored the MWs and fed on demand.... I really hope the referral is useful. Any chance you can get yourself a private lactation consultant? You have done so well to get this far.

I so agree with Bowlfull and GT. I am so angry about some of your MWs. Orange, for hourly feeding and increasing formula top ups given the circs is CRAZY! Is there any way you can contact LLL of a proper bf counsellor to give you an alternative strategy. That MW honestly has no idea how bf works...

Well done Roofio and on your successful days so far!

Clapham - I know how you feel. I went the full 12 days over, was induced and DD arrived at 40+14. Like you (I think?!?) being induced was ok. I was mobile, in control and needed gas and air only.... And DD was so well and good at feeding and alert... That extra two weeks inside was wonderful for her. Huge diff between the twins and DD in terms of "maturity" as a newborn...

legallyblond Mon 28-Oct-13 14:05:35

Orange *four hourly feeding...

Pinkforboys Mon 28-Oct-13 14:12:05

roofio- well done for getting out. Especially today!

Anyone else got a flakey baby?
Some of you have mentioned dry skin. It's like Thea is shedding her top layer- is that what your babies are like?
I'm using baby oil when i change her on hands/feet. I felt a bit weird at mw olive/sunflower oil suggestion (I'm not cooking her!) But has anyone else found that more successful?

MrsH John Lewis do a good matress protector. About £40 so more than the plastic ones but not sweaty/ crinkly. We bought for my waters but it has been good for the unexpected poo, wee and milk this week!

chickieno1 Mon 28-Oct-13 14:29:26

Olive oil better. I used it with dh and he had really dry flaky skin. Using it now with M. You can try health stores or pharmacy if you want really high grade organic stuff. I'm just using regular organic evoo. And she doesn't smell like pasta smile

GeorgieJo Mon 28-Oct-13 14:31:27

Hello -

I posted a few weeks ago but following the birth of baby Samuel I disappeared into a baby bubble!

Sam is my first baby, he was born on 12th October (41 weeks exactly), and weighed 7 lbs 4 oz.

I had an unexpectedly fast delivery, my waters broke at 1030am, contractions started at 1130, by 0130 they were almost two minutes apart and lasting for one minute so we went into hospital.

When we arrived I was "looked after" by an incredibly grumpy, and pretty useless midwife: she practically never spoke to us; monitor kept showing my heartbeat not the baby's; when my DH asked about gas and air she just told him how to switch it on and off, nothing about when to use it during contraction etc).

The MW also said I was 3cm when she checked me at 0215 (at which point contractions were 2 mins apart lasting for nearly 90 secs), but when doctor checked at 0315 I was 10cm and ready to push!

My beautiful little boy was then born at 0345 - bewildered and shocked, like me! I definitely hadn't expected it all to go so fast, or for the experience to be quite so "intense".

All my Hypnobirthing preparation led to be believe I would be giving birth in a trance-like state of calm, not bellowing on all fours telling DH that if we ever did this again I wanted to have an ELCS...

However the pain of labour is starting to fade. The sleep deprivation is much worse than I expected, but for the last two night he has fed every 4 hours, rather than every 3, so today I feel positively well-rested (who knew that six hours of broken sleep could feel so good??)

Congratulations for all the other new babies I have missed. And really good luck for those still waiting.

Smitten and Clapham if it is any consolation my waters broke 6 hours after my first sweep (which they did three days before the induction was booked). Really hope same happens for you.

Pink Sam is a bit flakey, and my HV also recommended olive oil, but if feels too weird! I got given an organic "Baby Balm" from Neal's Yard, which has worked brilliantly on his feet and arms. You can get it on Amazon, but it is definitely a more expensive option...

chickieno1 Mon 28-Oct-13 14:33:09

I agree re mw/hv etc and bf advice. Like the others more confident doing mu own thing 2nd time around. With ds I also ignored them to a degree. It is easy to say this of course if things are going well so I do feel for you orange, flyer. Like legally suggested any chance of getting a lactation consultant that would come out to you and provide a bit of consistent support??

Smitten1981 Mon 28-Oct-13 14:35:47

Ooh thanks Georgie, that's good news on the sweep. Clapham, if they both work on Wednesday we might have the babies at the same time!

Mum and dad just came round to walk the dog and brought her back with poo all over her bum. God knows what happened but just had to give her a bath. Good preparation for baby poo incidents I guess.

chickieno1 Mon 28-Oct-13 14:38:08

clapham and smitten really hope things kick off for you soon. I know what it's like as ds was born 13 days over. I was so down and didn't want to talk to or meet anyone. I think you do forget it all once they're here. Also as legally said they are much more mature esp with feeding. flowers and brew and some chocolate for you both and all others SFW xx

chickieno1 Mon 28-Oct-13 14:39:47

sanji that is an amazing birth story considering all you went through beforehand. Congrats and well done xxx

Congrats georgiejo

ImpOfDarkness Mon 28-Oct-13 15:00:38

Fergus arrived yesterday very suddenly at just before midnight. 3 to 10 cm in two hours!

chickieno1 Mon 28-Oct-13 15:06:43

Congrats imp! Great name! Seems French dating system works xx

chickieno1 Mon 28-Oct-13 15:07:40

Ok M asleep need to get off mn and either sleep myself or sort out mountain of laundry!!

Slippysnow Mon 28-Oct-13 15:26:28

Hi all.
I really don't know what to do with myself, I'm having horrendous contractions which properly started on the 24th. I mentioned in an earlier post I went to the hospital to confirm whether my waters were leaking, at this point my contractions were 6mins apart. The midwife said it was just discharge (loads and loads of clear liquid, have to keep changing) I had a complete breakdown today because of the pain and the fact that it really isn't progressing anywhere. I'm in agony when I go for a wee but I know I have to keep hydrated, I'm constantly needing to do loose poos. My back kills. The contractions ramp up at night so sleep is awkward and then I'm woken up to it all again. I just don't have a clue what to do, it's been going on so long

slippy have you had a sweep since they started? That nmight help kick things off properly xx

Slippysnow Mon 28-Oct-13 15:35:08

I had a sweep on the 23rd, which seemed to kick it all off. My next appointment is on the 30th, I asked to have one tomorrow but they had none sad

Maybe say more waters have gone, go in, get them to examine you and give you a sweep then? If you are soaking through pads its not unreasonable to get checked again.

You must be truly fed up after 4 days, I'd had enough after 20 hours of painful contractions but no active labour, but with a couple if vigourous sweeps I got there in the end thanks

Smitten1981 Mon 28-Oct-13 16:30:24

Slippy - have you called the hospital again? They might have you in to take another look at you and give you some pain relief.

dontworryjustpanic Mon 28-Oct-13 16:53:53

I'm still with you ladies on that back seat & also getting fed up. Not helped by the fact that 2-yr old DS has a tummy upset - it's been 3 days now & is truly vile. Good job I don't feel like going anywhere there is no way I can risk having to do a nappy change away from a bath & clean clothes!

I've been looking at acupressure points to encourage labour- if you are interested try searching for Debra Betts labour induction- a bit awkward to try & post the link on my phone. It's got to be worth a try! The main points are on hands & ankles so easy to do yourself. Let's hope it works - I wont see mw again till Monday. by which time I'll be 41+5 sad Good luck fx

Bronzemoth Mon 28-Oct-13 17:03:57

Congratulations imp

smitten and clapham wishing you positive baby appearing vibes.

sanji well done on managing the pain after such a stressful build up.

Finally some good bf news for me. N has got back to his birth weight so I'm 'allowed' by the mw to feed on demand rather than a 2 hourly cycle. I'm so relieved he is doing okay and lovely not to have to wake him on such a strict schedule anymore but trust our instincts.

Flyer747 Mon 28-Oct-13 17:08:30

Will catch up later.

Just at docs with dp Alexandra totally refusing to feed all day....and is really lethargic so worried hmmhmm

Smitten1981 Mon 28-Oct-13 17:36:41

Hope she's ok Flyer.

GTbaby Mon 28-Oct-13 17:40:15

Pink my lo looked like a snack shredding his skin. Really bad.

With DS1 went to a baby massage class. Instructor asked if we would drink baby oil. Obviously not. She said babies put their hands in their mouth, so don't use anything we wouldn't eat.
I use tesco olive oil. It worked a treat. Used it for a week, few times a day on hands. Once a day on tummy back n legs.
I got given quite a few posh massage oils at baby shower but used none as olive oil is great (also excellent for taking off eye make upwink)

chickieno1 Mon 28-Oct-13 17:40:56

Hope she's alright flyer

GTbaby Mon 28-Oct-13 17:45:28

Snake! Lol

whistlingdixie Mon 28-Oct-13 18:07:58

Slippy call & go to your hospital's antenatal triage and tell them you think your waters have broken. They'll check and might sweep at same time (ps they have to check your waters as if they have broken the 24hrs count down to induction starts). Good luck!!!

After some difficult days BF, we seem to have turned a corner here... fx!! As a serial lurker, your stories and posts about what you have been going through and your advice have been a great help to me. Thanks :-)

Good luck to those SFW or SWIL. I may not post much but I check in regularly to see how you're getting on. I will be lurking & sending you labour vibes until everyone on the bus has their bundles of pooing, peeing, feeding, crying joy!!

Natalieand Mon 28-Oct-13 18:29:10

Oh dear I hope A is ok flyer xxx

Hugs to all those SC and SFW xx

Congrats imp and anyone else I'm forgetting.

H was weighed today (day 12) and has gained 60g (2.5oz) since he was born and were formula feeding MW says its a good weight gain and has discharged us. I also asked about him sleeping 10.30-5.00 without feeding and if I needed to wake him as a few of u mentioned not to leave him that long she said now feeding is established and he feeds fine in the day its ok to leave him as long as he wants overnight xx

roxvox Mon 28-Oct-13 18:31:27

Thanks bowlfull. 15 hours of feeding?! Bleddy hell that must've been tough. I'm not sure if it's something A might have, but the fact it's only been in the last 24 hours that she's changed has made me wonder if it's just something I have eaten, so I am going to see what she's like tomorrow.

slippy that sounds horrible. I really hope you progress or get some pain relief soon.

natalieand well done with H! Lucky you with your long nights now!

flyer I hope Alexandra is ok thanks

claphammama Mon 28-Oct-13 18:49:39

Congrats imp! Very quick for a first birth. Enjoy your cuddles! thanks

flyer really hope your little girl is ok... glad you are being seen by a doc. Thinking of you and little Alexandra xx

slippy sorry to hear you are in so much pain... hope you manage to see someone and things start moving for you soon. Sometimes early labour can take days... do you remember falcon and nelly's stories? Hope they can do something to speed it up for you.

legally and chickie thanks for your earlier posts and for reminding me what's important. As always, you pressed all the right buttons and said all the right things. legally yes, my first labour was exactly like your first labour (only difference - I was induced at 39 weeks because of meconium in waters but exactly the same birth story otherwise!) And it really doesn't matter once they are here. If I have to do it again, so be it... Thanks both for reminding me that what really matters is that I will have a healthy mature newborn who had lots of time inside to get ready for the world. I also need to remember how lucky I am to be able to conceive and have a healthy pregnancy. Your words really made me feel better and woke me up a bit. Thanks again - you are so busy with your babies and you still find time to give so much support to everyone here. A massive hug xxx

On a separate note, I had a massive meltdown and pregnancy rage episode earlier. We had a tiny leak in the top bedroom which we found months ago. I kept telling DP we needed to fix it and make plans before it gets worse and before the winter (told him probably 20 times over the last 6 months). But he always thought that changing our light bulbs to funky LEDs, researching new kitchens online (although we won't change for years anyway) and doing other totally non urgent things was more important... and now, after last night's storm, the leak is obviously much worse... and in response to me being annoyed about it, he said it was also my fault as I SHOULD HAVE NAGGED HIM MORE...?? Here comes proper and full on pregnancy rage and tears (my little baby will now have to live in a leaking house)... and despite my hopes, even the rage didn't lead to labour... but, honestly, did your DH ever blamed you for "not nagging him enough"...? And they say women are complicated...

claphammama Mon 28-Oct-13 18:57:34

ps. thanks for the acupressure tips dontworry! I shall research it right now... sorry your DS is poorly... NOT a good time to have a sick toddler... I hope things will happen to you before your Monday appointment.

nat good news about H's weight gain and he seems to be sleeping so well too! lucky mummy smile

claphammama Mon 28-Oct-13 19:04:09

and congrats georgie! sorry I'm reading everything backwards today... also, thank you for your positive sweep story! flowers

PseudoBadger Mon 28-Oct-13 19:07:26

Flyer I hope Alexandra is ok xxx

xuntitledx Mon 28-Oct-13 19:29:45

Midwife visit today and LO has gained 6oz - only another 6oz to go before he reaches his birth weight and we can be discharged to the HV so (hopefully) final midwife visit next friday.

Going to have to make a GP appointment tomorrow though as LO has a lump under his eyelid and it's swollen and pink confused - hopefully nothing too serious though!

Also feeling like I'm over the breastfeeding hump - we have a good latch and the cracking is healing which is a good job as we're on for hour number 4 of tonight's cluster feed <sigh>

GTbaby Mon 28-Oct-13 19:34:39

Clapham if he ever accuses u of nagging again you will forever have a perfect come back. wink

JellyCurls Mon 28-Oct-13 19:45:58

Flyer hope A is ok and just being a little madam

Was changing JellyBaby this afternoon and noticed his arms, legs, hands and feet were blue but they weren't cold. Rest of him was nice and pink so very strange. Has anybody else had a blue baby

Waves to lurkers and congratulations imp.

Today I thought sod it I am demand feeding and Thomas has been a star. He has shown me he is hungry by chewing his hands or rooting, has had lots of ten minute feeds throughout the day, latched himself on a couple of times and actually did a better job than I do and stays awake when feeding. We are still doing the bottle every four hours and it was actually nice having one less time to get up in the night but breastfeeding whenever he wants it and I have really enjoyed a cuddly relaxed day with my baby. He weighs 3090g and has to get back up to to 3210g before we are released, that seems so close now it's over 3kg. Thanks all for your support,it helped me realise he is my baby and I don't have to follow whatever the most recent MW has told us if it doesn't feel right.

We also had his first bath today and he enjoyed it, I thought he would scream! He used to like me splashing water over him when he was my bump too.

And (so far) I haven't cried today. A Good Day!

claphammama Mon 28-Oct-13 20:01:57

I know gt I'm going to feed off that comment for years... grin grin grin

Glad you feel more relaxed about everything now orange. MWs and HVs should be here to help not to police and bully young mums!!

dontworryjustpanic Mon 28-Oct-13 20:18:25

Hope Dr's appointment goes well flyer.

Congrats to Georgie & imp - sorry if I've missed anyone.

Sorry to hear about the leaky roof (wad it you Clapham?) - last thing you need. I think we have a small leak too - my head is stuck firmly in the sand tho, it's just too much to deal with right now!

roofio87 Mon 28-Oct-13 20:25:18

urgh. H has just been crying all day today. It's just wind, its just so hard when he's so unhappy. its really getting me down sad

rubytwosday Mon 28-Oct-13 20:51:51

I feel exactly the same Roofio. I know there is nothing seriously wrong with her but she is just so unhappy and unsettled. Its heartbreaking and exhausting. DH has just bought home a dummy ( or is soother a better term? ) which is keeping her quiet but I feel bad for using it and worry that I now won't know when she is hungry and that she will just cry unless there is a dummy stuffed in her face.

Natalieand Mon 28-Oct-13 21:01:19

ruby... U will know if she's hungry a dummy might work the first few times u put it in but she will just continually spit it out if she's crying for food and not comfort

rubytwosday Mon 28-Oct-13 21:23:56

Thanks for the reassurance Nat. thanks

Your post made me smile orange, glad you have had a better day, and good on you for having the confidenceto follow your instincts, that's not easy first time round when you are being told something totally different by health care professionals.

Pinkforboys Mon 28-Oct-13 21:52:17

orange glad you've had a good day smile

flyer really hope A is okay xx

clapham now you've got something to sort out in the house the law of sod says you'll go into labour grin x

ready, imp, georgie Congratulations!!!!!

Acupressure points... find the fattest bit between your thumb and forefinger when you squeeze them together, then press that point when hand relaxed; the similar point between your big two and next toe- about a 3cm towards the ankle. I as told to squeeze all 4 points at once hmm might need to recruit OH for that!
Good luck xx

Thanks for the olive oil advice...

Sephy Mon 28-Oct-13 22:29:14

Sorry to hear about the worrying mws, the two who have visited me have been lovely. Today though nobody showed up for my (hopefully final) mw apointment. We're not given a time, so I was waitig in all day, didn't go out on a walk etc, and made my dh stay in too so he could go and show her our flat entrance without me having to go downstairs... And then, nothing! I was really hoping they'd say she weighs enough to demand feed - I suppose one more day gives her an extra day to gain weight first.

Hope we all have a better night and that slippy's contractions really ramp up a notch to the real thing.

GTbaby Mon 28-Oct-13 23:10:32

Yeah! Go orange thanks

notsoold Mon 28-Oct-13 23:49:24

Flyer how is A??? Xxxx

Thanks apple for updating my details!!!

Lion5711 Mon 28-Oct-13 23:50:32

I've been following for 2 months and have been rather impatiently awaiting the arrival....and this morning it all happened! 2 hours from twinge (or I thought over eating!) to delivered in birthing pool at home! 7,15 of lovely little boy for his big brother. Very happy and really hope everyone else's overdue ones arrive safely soon!

Wickedgirl Tue 29-Oct-13 00:04:34

Good luck to those of you SWIL

Flyer.......I hope A is ok

Today the HV came out for a visit and weighed Amelie. She is just over her birth weight now which I am really happy about. I can stop stressing!

Flyer747 Tue 29-Oct-13 00:31:04

Hi All

Congratulations to all the new arrivals, imp seems like the French dating system is more accurate the British. Quick birth too.

thanks For Clapham for all the stresses and SFW...also smitten and can't remember who else is SFW . I send you cervix dilating vibes.

Glad to hear those with health visitors checks today all passed with flying colours.

We took Alexandra to the dr as she has been so lethargic all day and that combined with her nursing strike got me worried. DR checked her out all seems to be ok, she is still refusing a bottle and only taking short breast feeds, I just can't see how things will improve... I'm terribly down and stressed, I'd put her in formula if she would take it but she won't.

The doctor wants to see me at the end of the week as they are keeping an eye on me as he says I'm showing all the classic signs of PND sad I really don't want medication but the anxiety I feel is the worst it's ever been....

Smitten you were asking about the dog with a new baby, ours hasn't taken to kindly to the new addition. Her nose has been seriously put out. She sulks and who ever the baby is sat with the dog is literally glued to the side of that person. She also keeps barking for attention.

Checking in! so sorry I haven't even found time to lurk!

To all those with your new snuggly babies congratulations flowers

Clapham and Smitten and anyone else i have missed SFW Thinking of you xxx

Flyer I am sorry to hear about Alexandra again sorry if this has been asked before is she tongue tied has that been checked as i have heard that can stop baby feeding??

Me and Willow are getting there she is fast asleep atm but for some reason I just can't sleep! I am still bleeding i thought it stopped but it never only for a few hours to fool me sad She is 5 and a half weeks it should have stopped it went all mucus and brown and i thought this is it looked like it stopped overnight then the next day i have bright pink/red blood again its a light flow. Is This my period or a continuation anyone have any ideas???

JellyCurls Tue 29-Oct-13 02:26:13

Flyer - so glad baby A is ok and hope she starts to feed again soon. Take care of yourself thanks

Congrats on new baby Lion and good luck to anyone in labour

Falcon - in my first two pregnancies I still had red bleeding at my 6 week check and with DS I remember it being still quite heavy at 6 week check. I am 4 wk post section now and still bleeding

thanks Jelly was getting a bit worried, hows you? xxx

thanks flyer. Glad A was ok.

Congratulations lion.

roofio87 Tue 29-Oct-13 03:34:03

falcon mw told me that your uterus will continue to contract back down for weeks after birth and each time it does you may find your bleeding ramps up again from nothing. all sounds normal to me.
flyer glad A is ok, sorry you're struggling to cope. it's good they're keeping an eye on you, hopefully you get the support you need.

Shootingstarsandcomets Tue 29-Oct-13 03:34:19

Glad A is ok flyer
I remember still bleeding at 6 week check too, think it can take ages to completely stop.
My mix feeding is now bit going so well as young master B is just not taking enough milk from me and my boobs are getting very sore. Hoping they calm down in a few days when they realise less milk is needed.
On a plus side we seem to be waking three hourly tonight....just a shame it takes an hour to feed and burp him so I only get 2 hours sleep in between.
Hugs to all those SFW.

Glad all seems normal smile

Shooting waking 3 hourly seems good hope your boobs calm down and get used to needing to produce less milk xx

Smitten1981 Tue 29-Oct-13 03:54:29

Just got woken up by my waters breaking. Just a dull ache at the moment so am back in bed trying to rest up a bit. Eep!!!

Flyer, glad A is ok. I bet my dog will be like yours, she was freaking me out last night as she just kept sitting there staring really intensely at me. DH said maybe she knew things will be happening soon, looks like he was right!!!

Iheartcrunchiebars Tue 29-Oct-13 03:57:02

Exciting smitten good luck!!!

moonblues Tue 29-Oct-13 04:00:57

Good luck smitten. Sending contracting thoughts your way!

notsoold Tue 29-Oct-13 04:06:19

Smitten...yay!!!! Xxx

rubytwosday Tue 29-Oct-13 04:25:41

Good luck Smitten!

pinkbuttons Tue 29-Oct-13 04:30:28

yey smitten hope you get some rest and all ramps up in the morning!

Congratulations imp ready and georgie. I think we were due date buddies Georgie and I had Isla on the 12th too. grin

natalie thankyou for reassurance about letting them sleep. Glad H is gaining weight. x

flyer sorry to hear A is still being a monkey with her feeding but glad all was ok. Also glad Dr seems to be proactive re:PND x

Thinking of all those SFW, really cant be long now! and agree that my overdue baby has slept and eaten much better than DS who was born on his due date.

Sparkeleigh Tue 29-Oct-13 04:41:01

Yay, smitten! Fingers crossed!

I just got woken up by a massive pain across the bottom of my bump which I'm desperately hoping is a contraction so I hope your luck rubs off on me! I got up and on the birthing ball, anything to avoid another failed sweep. It didn't go away when I moved around so that's a good sign isn't it?

Congratulations imp, ready, georgie and lion!

claphammama Tue 29-Oct-13 05:17:17

how exciting smitten! good luck! and sparkeleigh - hope this is it for you too!

I woke up about 30min ago to what felt like a solid contraction (first time ever) but it felt a bit too long and the pain too constant for an early contraction... it then went away and came back a couple of times. I'm a bit confused right now to be honest... so far it's produced three big farts (sorry but no other way to put it) so hope it's not just curry from last night. Please pray for me that it can also produce a baby...? please gods of labour... please...

flyer so sorry things seem to be tough for you right now... good they are not too concerned about A and so good they are keeping an eye on you... hope it's not a PND. Thinking of you xxx

falcon so good to have you back! X

Bronzemoth Tue 29-Oct-13 06:07:58

Ooh exciting that things are starting to move for those of you sfw. clapham my labour kicked off with one big long contraction and then settled into more low level early contractions , really hope this is the start for you.

Yay for smitten, sparkeleigh and Clapham. Fingers firmly crossed for you all. Come on babies, out you come now, enough is enough, we want to meet you.

Thomas just woke up crying for a feed at night time an hour before the alarm. He has never woken at night before. I am sure soon I will be fed up of being woken up but for now so proud he is getting it and doing normal baby things.

Sparkeleigh Tue 29-Oct-13 06:15:43

Ouch! It's definitely contractions so I can updates my status to SWIL, finally! grin About every 10 mins at the minute and the labour ward says to hang on till one every 3 or 4 mins, so I've got the TENS machine on and desperately seeking paracetamol... So far it doesn't hurt anything like the internal did.

Claphammama, I hope it's it for you as well! Good luck!

flyer I missed your post earlier, sorry to hear you're having a hard time. If it helps to get your head around it, you wouldn't suffer a broken leg or something without medication, so why should anxiety be any different? It'll help and that's the important thing. flowers

Oooh, exciting, good luck smitten, Clapham and sparkeleigh, hope this is definitely it for you all and the babies make the October deadline!

Natalieand Tue 29-Oct-13 06:54:26

I hope this is it for u clapham!! Xx

Good luck smitten and sparkleigh xxx

PseudoBadger Tue 29-Oct-13 07:15:26

Fingers crossed for babies today!

"Tumble outta bed
And stumble to the kitchen
Pour myself a cup of ambition
Yawnin, stretchin, try to come to life
Jump in the shower
And the blood starts pumpin"

Yes ladies, today for one day only I will be DOLLY PARTON grin

Despite only having baby (boy still has no name confused ) on Sunday morning my milk is in! Knew it was coming last night, he has been working so hard at my boobs to get it in bless him!

Really hope things get moving for all of you still SFW I went 8 days over and had given up chances of things happening naturally, having people over and my tidy house getting a hammering did the trick, contractions kicked in an hour later! I'll be back with full story later.

Anyone got any tips for severe piles?blush Buggers are causing me massive discomfort, mum bought me some cream but it's not strong sticky enough to do anything but relieve a little,

Also at our paed check they couldn't find babies testes, so I have to see gp on a few days, as balls boys are new to me, anyone else have this?

rubytwosday Tue 29-Oct-13 07:27:29

Thinking positive contraction and dilation vibes Smitten, Spark and Clapham!

Smitten1981 Tue 29-Oct-13 07:49:54

Quick update. Went to hospital for them to check the waters, didn't really need confirmation as I was on maxi pad number three by the time I went and my leggings were soaked from the journey there, but wasn't going to argue. Been tested for all sorts, wrist tagged and sent home. Have to call back when contractions ramp up otherwise I have to go back in 48 hours to be induced, hope it doesn't come to that.

Just got back into bed so going to try and have a nap and preserve some energy.

I'll keep you all updated.

Good luck to my other contracting partners. Fingers crossed for three more babies later!

claphammama Tue 29-Oct-13 08:43:21

thanks everyone - PLEASE keep sending the contracting vibes... 41 weeks today...

bronze sounds so similar. It was very strong and long, not what I expected. And now I don't know... definitely achy down there but managed to sleep for the last two hours confused hope it's not just upset tummy...

roxvox Tue 29-Oct-13 08:56:22

Ooo, what a potentially exciting day! Good luck smitten, sparkeleigh and clapham! Please try to keep us updated. Clapham get bouncing if you've got a gym ball, else pace up and down those stairs! My contractions were very erratic at first (including a 2 hour break where I thought it was all over), but some walking and bouncing soon set them off again! Good luck!

PseudoBadger Tue 29-Oct-13 08:59:45

Bounce Clapham!! Go for a jog? grin

claphammama Tue 29-Oct-13 09:00:57

yes rox got both - the ball and lots of stairs grin

erratic is the word... last time my waters went and nothing really moves for me fast enough for them to be happy. Then went on the drip and from 0 miles per hour to 100 miles per hour, so I don't really have any experience of early labour and the build up... so good to hear it can be very erratic and still lead to something!

claphammama Tue 29-Oct-13 09:02:09

pseudo jog... perhaps NOT grin

Pinkforboys Tue 29-Oct-13 09:18:40

Oh what great news!! Go sparkle/smitten/clapham never thought I'd be wishing pain on anyone, but Bring on the contractions!!

Clapham I'd forgotten how like intense indigestion contractions are. In the throws of having Thea I really thought I had a tummy bug and kept whispering to the MW that I thought I was going to fart blush

lion congratulations! Very enviable birth envy well done you thanks

flyer I'm so glad you've seen the Doc. Go easy on yourself xx

Haha pink, when I was lit, but everyone thought I was in early labour I shouted at my lovely student midwife 'I can't sit down, my arsehole hurts, I need a shiiitttttt...' - not the calm dignified water birth I hoped for blush

Sanjifair Tue 29-Oct-13 09:50:06

Oh, lots of ladies in labour!! Fx for lots of happy updates later. Smitten hope you get the birth you wanted in the MLU, at least you will have avoided my horrible situation.
We won't overlap at the Rosie though as I was discharged last night (a day later than I could have been, as they cocked up Eloise's blood test and had to repeat) after 6 nights in hospital.
Sending dilating vibes to you all!

We had the fun game of trying to get Eloise sleeping in her Moses basket last night. Feed to sleep. Try to move. She wakes up. Feed to sleep. Try to move. She wakes up. Repeat x 10. She won in the end and slept in our bed. I remember this with DS and it took a while but we did get there in the end.

MrsHoratioNelson Tue 29-Oct-13 10:02:04

Oooh have we got backseat babies on their way?! Exciting!

Remember girls, don't tire yourselves out trying to keep the contractions going - gentle bouncing but make sure you get some rest too. It could be a long few days...

thanks all round - I can't keep track of who's had babies, who's SWIL and who's SFW. And for those of us who were struggling to settle babies in the night brew and cake.

C currently v distressed by hiccoughs. Not much I can do to help, unfortunately confused

Anyone else's baby hate being held upright, like when you put them over your shoulder to wind them? Have a feeling the slings I've bought/been donated won't get much use at this rate.

PseudoBadger Tue 29-Oct-13 10:04:15

C has a cold and didn't sleep between 1 and 6.30 am <yawn> Thankfully DS is at the childminder today so C and I are snuggled on the sofa watching Boyz N The Hood wholesome television.

Sanjifair Tue 29-Oct-13 10:04:32

Ha ha bowlful, I said to my midwife 'oh no, I need a poo!' And she said 'no, you need to have a baby!' And she was right to be fair.

Welcome home sanji. You must be thrilled to finally be home, and with a baby!

Bounce bounce bounce Clapham.

Smitten, my contractions really ramped up. As soon as I got home from getting them checked, I hope you are the same and have your baby soon.

roofio87 Tue 29-Oct-13 10:07:04

oh good luck to those SWIL biscuit
sorry for my whingy post last night. Had a good night last night. got two chunks of 2.5 hours sleep. (who would have thought that meant a good night!) and H seems a bit less cranky today. he's had a blocked nose for a few days but sneezed out the biggest boggie I've ever seen this morning so hopefully that'll help!!
flyer how u doing today?
hayley how's j's skin? pics of him and ur dd are gorgeous.

dontworryjustpanic Tue 29-Oct-13 10:24:04

Good luck to clapham & smitten - hope all progresses well but I am just a bit worried that I'm going to be left on this bus all on my own (sniffles). I'm off to do some star jumps!

Smitten1981 Tue 29-Oct-13 10:25:15

Orange, contractions seem to be every 6 and a half minutes so far lasting about 45 secs. Only had some paracetamol and they're bearable at the moment. I'm waiting for them to get to the agonising stage.

Hospital said to call when they get to 5 minutes apart and last 60 seconds.

Are you supposed to use a tens from the start or wait till it really hurts?

dontworryjustpanic Tue 29-Oct-13 10:26:22

Good luck sparkleigh too - sorry I missed you out!

Smitten it takes a while for the endorphins to build up so stick it on now unless you fancy a bath/shower first.

Also, mine never became regular at home (no idea if they were once at hospital). DH was trying to time them on an app but there were some that were 30 seconds, some two and a half minutes, sometimes 5 or 6 minutes between, then maybe three back to back with no gaps and I wasn't sure when one was starting or finishing. We called when there were a few long ones two minutes apart and were told sometimes they go away, to call back in 20 minutes if still at that level but they had reduced a bit. I didn't follow the diagram of how contractions should progress from our nct class! Go when you feel it is time.

We went to hospital at the point where I reached the maximum on my tens and I though I might not make it to hospital if I stayed much longer. (I shuffled down the stairs on all fours taking several breaks hanging on to the banister, then shuffled to triage from the car with regular contraction breaks holding on to DHs shoulders) arrived at 4cm and as 9cm by the time I shuffled hunched over to delivery suite.

claphammama Tue 29-Oct-13 11:04:24

don't worry don't panic just yet - haha

mine seem to have completely disappeared today... sad sad sad

Noooo! wine Clapham

Pinkforboys Tue 29-Oct-13 11:15:49

Oh clapham at least it must have been a good sign that your body is starting the eviction process. Or perhaps just that it was a good curry last night grin

dontworryjustpanic Tue 29-Oct-13 11:18:52

I'm sure they'll get started again soon Clapham - get massaging those pressure points. These precious little babies just have no idea how they torment us! (Or do they just have a sick sense of humour?)

Bronzemoth Tue 29-Oct-13 11:47:33

clapham oh no, they can stop and start. Mine ground to a halt for a little bit, at the very least it sounds like things are moving in the right direction.

smitten our nct lady who is also a doula recommended to use the tens from early on as it works best if you build up the intensity levels as the contractions intensify. I found it helped but there was a limit to how much I liked the sensation so never made it close to the max.

Doing the counting/timing was hard we just went in when I realised if they got any worse that I wouldn't be able to handle the car trip.

claphammama Tue 29-Oct-13 11:47:43

I know orange sad and have been bouncing on the ball for the last two hours sad

pink this is my worry exactly... as I definitely gave birth last night but not to a baby (sorry to lower the tone again!) perhaps same curry again tonight?

dontworry this is my DP's baby after all so sick sense of humour is not excluded... genes are genes after all

Smitten1981 Tue 29-Oct-13 11:58:48

Bronze, that might have to be my plan of action. Hospital is 45 mins away so a bit worried about the journey again today.

The pains I'm getting aren't really hurting enough to convince me anything will happen soon to be honest.

Sending a share of contractions your way Clapham.

Haylebop12 Tue 29-Oct-13 13:03:02

Afternoon ladies, pleased to hear some SWIL stauses and hoping things progress for you soon clapham cant imagine how fustrating it it.

roofio Isaac's skin comes and goes, well the redness does. its fairly dry but going to give it until the end of the week to improve before possibly going docs to ensure it its eczema. I'm pretty sure it isnt though as he only has it face and neck.

Things are alright here. I think im coping ok and with dd being on half term Ive really enjoyed lazing about in bed until 9ish even though Im awake from 6/7. Its lovely not to have to rush about all morning.

Sorry to hear A is being troublesome flyer but so pleased you got your reassurance. All these babies causing worry and stress.

I'm part way through writing my borth story but will have to go through anf cut out bits so people dont get bored grin

Sending dilating thoughts to those that need them.

ImpOfDarkness Tue 29-Oct-13 14:51:15

No wifi at the hospital so updating sporadically... fergus arrived by emergency CS on Sunday night. I had to have a general anaesthetic because it was so quick, waters broke at 5.30 and kick-started a super-intense labour. He was in a very awkward position, so they had to hoik him out quick. Still, he's here and fine, which is the main thing. I'm choked I missed it though.

Smitten1981 Tue 29-Oct-13 15:16:42

Congrats Imp, sounds a bit on the traumatic side though with the general anaesthetic. Scary.

Contractions have stopped here. Just got out of bed to see if that kick starts them again.

roofio87 Tue 29-Oct-13 15:39:42

congrats imp sorry it wasn't an ideal birth, but so plased he arrived safely!

I decided to be brave and and went round to a toddler group that goes on in a church hall round the corner from my house. Thought well I've Nothing to loose, if no one spoke to me I could always leave. but it was great. dp's 2nd cousin's wife (tenious link!) was there with her daughter so she had to talk to me. haha. she's lovely though and so I chatted to her and her friend as well as a few other mums, they were all very friendly. and Hunter's 3rd cousin (!?!) liked him very much!! it was great and I'll defo go again. I don't really have any friends round here and no mum friends so that was perfect for me. amazing how much its helped my state of mind!

Flyer747 Tue 29-Oct-13 16:06:18

Roofio we shall have to meet up I have a car so can come to you. Once I crack this feeding dilemma smile

roofio87 Tue 29-Oct-13 16:14:28

flyer definitely. as soon as u feel up to it! smile

GeorgieJo Tue 29-Oct-13 16:40:40

Congrats imp and good luck clapham, smitten, and sparkleigh.

MrsHN my LO hates being over the shoulder too. Have heard that "Tiger in a Tree" pose is another good option for winding but makes me a little nervous to put him face down after a feed (works brilliantly when he is fussing though).

pinkbuttons amazing that your baby arrived on 12th as well! Did you have a DS or a DD? Really hope you are both doing well.

I am feeling a little stressed because just seen a paediatrician who told me that my baby was "over-thriving" but also has silent reflux. WTF???!!!

Apparently he is in danger of gaining too much weight - born 7lbs 4oz, at two and a half weeks he is now 8lbs 9oz. (I am six foot and was over 9lbs when I was born).

He is exclusively breastfed apart from last three days, when he has cluster fed in the evening and drained me dry. However the formula top-ups have only been 10, 30 or 50ml (per day). Other than two hours of cluster feeding in the evening he goes three, and often four, hours between feeds.

Paed said his hiccups (which he had frequently in the womb), congested nose and cluster feeding were signs of silent reflux. And he was gaining too much weight. Suggested I a) cut all dairy from my diet (fine but I am vegetarian already), b) feed him less!

Told me to try to limit feeds to 25mins, not to offer the other breast and try to make sure he goes four hours between feeds.

Sounds absolutely bonkers to me - but this is my first child and so now I am terrified I am doing something wrong and that he is in pain...

Any advice?!

Over thriving is a ridiculous phrase! I thought you weren't meant to be able to over feed a breastfed baby? Did he lose much weight to start with? Maybe of he didn't lose much and then gained at the normal rate it looks likes faster than average? Get a second opinion if you aren't happy cutting feeds short etc. I am vegetarian and lactose intolerant so don't eat any milk, pm me if you need any help with that. My sister was told to cut out dairy when breastfeeding her refluxy baby.

Health visitor just been and Thomas has exceeded his birth weight at 12 days old woohoo! He has had a mega growth spurt the last couple of days. Still have to show the midwife what he has done at the weekend but very pleased.

We wanted to go for a walk this afternoon but waited around for HV for ages then Thomas has had a mad feed poo feed poo feed poo feed cycle and now it is dark sad

good luck to those SWIL!!

Clapham thanks!!

Confession time I have started smoking again although only smoked 10 since friday I think thats ok 20 a week is not a horrendous amount still not good but by god has it helped me get by without tearing my hair our, still feel guilty a little

Imp congratulations thanks sorry you didn't have the birth wanted but so glad they got him out quickly enough and he is safe and well.

pinkbuttons Tue 29-Oct-13 17:08:54

Congratulations imp sounds all quite scary bit so glad he is hear safe x

Good Luck to all those SWIL or on the brink of being!!

roofio glad you had a good time at toddler group, that os my mission for next week to get out the house.

Georgie I had a DD she was 7lb2oz a pound smaller han my DS was surprised considering she was late.
im sorry your having worries about silent reflux, sounds ridiculous to tell you to not feed him if hes hungry! Midwide told me last week that you cant overfeed a breastfed baby, seems mad the differing opinions everyone is getting! Isla had put on 1lb at 13 days. I was going to ask health visitor on Thursday because she is so sick but id never heard of the worry about over thriving, always assumed it was just a babys way of balancing out and getting to their natural weight.
Are they seeing you again? x

Shootingstarsandcomets Tue 29-Oct-13 17:38:06

I've never heard of over thriving! I asked the midwife as we are mix feeding and she said feed on demand as even with ff you can't overfeed them as newborns.
Little B is over his birthweight on day 11 so we are free of the midwives care- yay! They are lovely midwives but I do find the unannounced visits annoying so am glad we have been cut loose.
Also the mamaroo chair arrived today so finally I have somewhere to put little b down although ds1 thinks it highly amusing to turn it on and off constantly hmm

Natalieand Tue 29-Oct-13 17:51:43

I will catch up properly a little later but just wanted to say re: over feeding we are purely formula feeding and i asked the midwife if if was possible too over feed she said if I was over feeding he would just be sick but generally they won't let u over feed them

roofio87 Tue 29-Oct-13 17:55:28

nat thanks for that. H "should" be having 4oz every 4 hours apparently, about 24oz over 24hrs but he's having 4oz every 3 hours so far more. but he ends up screaming for food if I try and leave him!! oh well, we'll see what next weeks weigh in says!!!

Natalieand Tue 29-Oct-13 18:03:01

Roofio I think your ahead of me my H is on day 13 today and is having 3 oz every 3 hours, I tried upping him to 4oz with little success the midwife said to me 'has he gone up from 3 oz now?' She saw me on day 5 and 12 and when I said no she didn't seem concerned, I had health visitor today and she didn't even ask how many oz's he had just asked if he was feeding well?

Flyer747 Tue 29-Oct-13 18:32:19

So breast feeding saga continues in the flyer household. We have been to see the infant feeding team at Liverpool women's hospital . Alexandra showed off her bf technique and they agreed we have a problem! They then proceeded to top her up with formula and she projectile vomited the whole lot straight up all over dp....

We have been referred to Alder Hey hospital for possible tongue tie , however the wait is quite long so we are told.

Good luck smitten, Clapham I hope those contractions restart, it's these lazy boys who don't fancy showing themselves to the world.

Roofio I could do with getting out soon. I'm going to check with my insurance company about driving after a c section. I feel fine to drive now but not sure if I'm insured!
We can introduce Alexandra and Hunter who knows it may be the start of a beautiful romance grin

Natalieand Tue 29-Oct-13 18:37:51

flyer did they say why she might have projectile vomited after the top up? Sorry they don't seem to have been able to help u much today, what's their idea if quite a long wait? Surely they can't just leave u having such a hard time for god knows how long. Xx sending lots of sympathy

Flyer is there anywhere you can get tongue tie done privately more quickly?

Pinkforboys Tue 29-Oct-13 19:06:11

Oh Flyer- I guess the upside is that they've identified a problem that they can help you with. Damn annoying that you have to wait. Surely they can't make you wait long if it's preventing A from feeding??

PseudoBadger Tue 29-Oct-13 19:11:29

Definitely try and get it done privately Flyer if you can. This thread has the name of someone in Huddersfield? www.mumsnet.com/Talk/breast_and_bottle_feeding/a1893929-Myths-about-tongue-tie-and-how-to-get-one-diagnosed#42580480

Pinkforboys Tue 29-Oct-13 19:15:41

I feel like I've been run over by a bus this evening. I managed to have a couple of hours just me & T time watching catch-up telly, but I"m finding the daily routine of feeding/washing/sorting out the various members of the household quite exhausting. And my body hurts. My stomach, my butt, my hip, my nethers... I keep forgetting it's only been 9 days since I went through childbirth, but how long does this last?
Please give me hope those of you further ahead of me...

Oh to be able to lie back and recover at leisure with just a baby to feed and have some lovely OH to see to my needs...[dream....] I'm struggling to find energy for DS, which I can see upsets him at times. God knows how you guys with toddlers are coping.

Natalieand Tue 29-Oct-13 19:36:12

pinkforboys I'm on day 13 and had a normal birth with no stitches and my groin area is still aching and every time I tense up to sit up or cough my whole tummy area still feels achey or uncomfortable. I hope it doesn't last forever too

MrsHoratioNelson Tue 29-Oct-13 19:40:34

Evening all. Congratulations Imp sorry you missed the big reveal, but he's here now smile

Georgie strangely C has been happier over my shoulder today - I've had two long cuddles with him like that so perhaps he just needed to straighten out a bit.

JellyCurls Tue 29-Oct-13 20:02:02

Somebody shoot me now please. JellyBaby has been crying on and off all day so am exhausted but I have stupidly promised DD I will make some Halloween craft things for her to finish tomorrow. Also got her Halloween costume to finish. So both big kids now in bed and I have to start crafting - I am off my head!!!

Does anyone have any ideas what I can make?

Natalieand Tue 29-Oct-13 20:28:20
Racheld33 Tue 29-Oct-13 20:47:53

Jelly, I did these paper chains with DS last year which I cut out the night before and he added glitter/stuck bits on...


JellyCurls Tue 29-Oct-13 21:11:29

Cheers ladies I have made:

A string of witches like the paper chain men we made as kids

Halloween bunting on paper with letters drawn on saying happy Halloween. She can colour in then we will assemble and hang in window

A witch picture for her to colour in

And I have made a spiders web with wool and stuck it on window along with DS toy spider - this will no doubt cause him to tantrum tomorrow.

Have drawn face on pumpkin to carve tomorrow at some point.

Oh and finally I have burnt my thumb on the kettle and its bloody sore.

Night night and good luck to those in labour x

Pinkforboys Tue 29-Oct-13 21:34:52

Well done jelly! I'm very impressed.

Super mum jelly!

GTbaby Tue 29-Oct-13 21:59:11

Flyer that is ridiculous. So much difference in how we are treated.

Dh called post natal ward and explained that lo has not feeding great and we thought he had tongue tie. There happened to be a mw there who he was passed to. Explaining he had lost weight and was jaundice and we thought he had tongue tie.
As it was a Friday she had us in for Monday morning for an assessment. Cut it there and then.

I had an put of area hospital in a different area. Our area hospital is the one which did the home visits. Home visit mw said they don't do them in our area and we would have to go private!
2 hospitals, within 15min drive of each other. Yet SO different. Makes me so angry.

Bronzemoth Tue 29-Oct-13 23:30:40

flyer hope you can get it fixed quickly. It shows your mummy instincts were correct and that you are doing your very best.

Flyer747 Tue 29-Oct-13 23:33:35

I know GT it's as if there is no sense of urgency. Dp's cousin is visiting us tomorrow from London she is a consultant paediatrician at great ormond street so going to ask her advice and think we will go private. Poor girl is going to get grilled. We also wonder if baby A has some kind of reflux problem too. This cousins visit couldn't have come at a better time.

Jelly you are supermum I don't kobo how you do it with 2dcs and a baby! I'd be drinking lots of winewinewine

Nat no one even mentioned why she projectile vommed (it was loads) just didn't seem concerned. All over dp's Hugo Boss Jumper too gringrin

claphammama Wed 30-Oct-13 04:50:04

OK I think this is finally it. Have been contracting regularly for the last 2 hours. Some 10min apart and some 5min apart, some vicious and some mild. Some last well over a minute and some 30sec. I guess this is normal in early stages?

have been monitoring them with a mobile app. DP asked if the app can show them all as a chart as it would be interesting to see them as a chart... I'm going to kill this man later today right? I know at least you will understand if I do...

the last few have been 6min apart. when would you go to the hospital, considering 20min drive at this hour but 1 hour in peak traffic around 7.30-9...

I called the hospital and the midwife was lovely... she said they would trust me to come when I feel it's time as it's my second baby... so she told me to trust my body. how common sense and how lovely

GTbaby Wed 30-Oct-13 05:07:33

Wool clapham
I'd be tempted to leave before rush hour. So u don't get caught in traffic.
I think my contractions were 4 min apart when I was fully dialled. As they were discussing putting me on a drip just before examining me!

roxvox Wed 30-Oct-13 05:11:28

Woohoo clapham! I am so excited for you. My contractions were erratic throughout, some almost 2 minutes long, some over in seconds and randomly spaced too. I called the hospital when I had had a couple that were 3-4 minutes apart and they told me to have something to eat and come in. Really I wish I'd left home sooner.

I would say to have something to eat, have a shower etc and then head in when you feel you need to, or just before the rush hour traffic (whichever comes sooner!)

Good luck clapham, I can't wait to hear your news thanks

rubytwosday Wed 30-Oct-13 05:18:08

Good luck Clapham! And hope things are going well for Smitten and Sparkleigh.

Mnippy Wed 30-Oct-13 05:22:08

Good luck Clapham!

Have managed to keep up with the thread but haven't managed to post. DP back to work, and we are coping okay. Doing the night feeds and changes all alone is fine too, but when DP does wake up because the baby is crying etc he is super-grouchy and aggressively cross, which is v v frustrating.

claphammama Wed 30-Oct-13 05:34:30

thanks all! You are right - leaving in a bit! 4.30min apart now!

Sparkeleigh Wed 30-Oct-13 06:06:53

Good luck claphammama!

Congratulations imp!

Just checking in quickly so apologies to anyone I've missed, I'm on the mobile app.

Baby boy arrived yesterday at lunchtime grin he's gorgeous grin had the water birth I wanted but bleed a lot afterwards so I'm in for a couple of days, which is good because the midwives are lovely and helping me with bf! Sad DH can't stay with us tho as I'm on the labour ward. Baby has a powerful set of lungs on him!

Sanjifair Wed 30-Oct-13 06:26:32

Congratulations sparkeleigh. Glad you had the birth you wanted. Shame about the blood loss. You'll be home before you know it!

Good luck Clapham!

Any update Smitten?

Have had two mega-poos from Eloise, really distressed her pushing them out and one was an all over the babygro job. And at 2 am. Nice!

Feeding going well, though the first 30 secs of each feed are excruciating! Any tips?

Congratulations sparkeleigh. Hope all is ok after the blood loss.

Woo Clapham!good luck!

PseudoBadger Wed 30-Oct-13 07:05:28

Congratulations Sparkeleigh!

Good luck Clapham, I'm so pleased for you xx

Haylebop12 Wed 30-Oct-13 07:09:51


Natalieand Wed 30-Oct-13 07:26:00

Whoop whoop!! Push clapham push!!

Big congrats sparkleigh xxxxx

notsoold Wed 30-Oct-13 07:33:56

Clapham...my pompoms are out cheering the arrivsl of your little one.

Mw came and J is still losing weight even with all the on demand feeding Round the clock. Yesterday was day 11!!!!
Therefore we decided to top up with ff and I hope it works!!! Had a goodcry holding my dog as dh held J. Dog tried to lick the tears and that cheered me up....
Onwards and upwards!!!
Have to top up with 2oz after every 3 hour feed.J seems full to the brim!!!

Good morning to all!!!

notsoold Wed 30-Oct-13 07:37:50

Sparkleigh....congratulations!!! Welcome tothe outside world little baby spark!!!!

Readyasilleverbe Wed 30-Oct-13 07:56:05

clapham I'm so happy baby's on the way for you. Go baby go! Good luck.xx
Big congrats imp (hope recovery is going well) and sparkleigh and to all the new arrivals whilst I've been AWOL from the thread. Most of you know via fb thar Cyrus was born mon lunchtime 6lb 9 oz and is perfect. We're home now and have survived the 1st night. He is feeding well but feeds for ages. Seems to sleep between 2-3 hrs in between. So I guess so far so good.
Sending lots of love to those struggling with feeding, I now have a whole new level of empathy of the stress it must cause. I pray he carries on as he's started. I have to say bf is not my favourite thing so I hope I start to like it more!
I need to confess I caused trouble on the delivery suite by accidentally ( I promise) kicking the midwife in the head as she gave me local anaesthetic before stitching me up. Caused her to stab herself with my bloody needle so she had to go off to a and e for bloods and examination and they had to retest me for all the obvious diseases! Then it was decided that the registrar would do it and I'm pleased to say I managed not to cause any GBH to him. Though I felt like it when he suggested a spinal as I cried while he injected the local. I had just had the baby with nothing! I was surely allowed to cry with the pain! I told him.... You just stitch, I'll just cry.
flyer big hugs to you and Alexandra, I think you are coping amazingly. You have had such a rough time and you're still going strong, be good to yourself. And your baby is a total beaut.
Love to everyone else and thanks for all the lovely fb messages. Thank you for all the thread info, truly helped me cope with the induction. Never thought I'd be drawing on the strength of strangers during labour but I really was so thank you all for sharing so much over the last months and wks.
Right, enough thread hogging, better go and do something mother-ish. Xx

chickieno1 Wed 30-Oct-13 08:11:11

Good luck clapham xxx

Congrats sparkle !!

flowers for mnippy

(((Hugs))) for notso

Shirehobbit Wed 30-Oct-13 08:24:21

Eeeeek - go Clapham grin

Congratulations to new arrivals, but loving Ready's kicking story!

Today, I'm going to attempt our first long cross-country walk. This could end in disaster...

Racheld33 Wed 30-Oct-13 08:29:17

Go clapham go!

Just had to re-read your kicking story ready Brilliant! (As a dentist I have been 'attacked' a few times in my career and never taken it personally!)

Congratulations to all the new babies, only 39 hours for these 'October' babies to be evicted [thismile]

Racheld33 Wed 30-Oct-13 08:30:29


Natalieand Wed 30-Oct-13 08:32:47

Hehe ready that is hillarious, just shared with dh :-)

Haha ready, oh dear!

Pinkforboys Wed 30-Oct-13 09:09:08

Congratulations Sparkle & Ready grin
How are you doing Smitten

And Clapham at last!! Hope you've got little C in your arms xxx

Love your story Ready, I know it was an accident but I bet a lot of us felt like doing that to the needle-wielding midwife!

My cat has found revenge for us bringing T into the house- I've just discovered cat hair all over the moses basket hmm My fault for leaving it in the living room i guess as T's been sleeping with me. Darn cat. Got to wash everything again now. And pray she hasnt left fleas in it..... grrrrrr.

yey go clapham!! and congrats spark smile

Flyer747 Wed 30-Oct-13 09:40:45

Great news Clapham I hope it's a swift labour. He obviously wanted to arrive before Halloween smile

Things slowly getting worse here Alexandra now refusing to feed I have no idea what to do anymore hmmhmm

Natalieand Wed 30-Oct-13 10:17:48

I no its not what u wanted flyer but have u tried switching to just ff? And trying a different formula incase she doesn't like the one u have? Xx

PseudoBadger Wed 30-Oct-13 10:19:56

Flyer <hugs>
When did she last feed? Still producing wet and dirty nappies?

MrsHoratioNelson Wed 30-Oct-13 10:25:52

Go Clapham! Hope you're at hospital now x

Mnippy DH is the same. V irritating.

Go clapham! how exciting!

Ready I had a similar experience with my stitches, I jumped about a meter off the bed (in stirrups while feeding baby!) when she did a deep injection, they were rather impressed with my ability to move! I also swore like a fish wife throughout the stitching, when I wasn't giggling on gas and air

flyer I really hope u get some help and advice that works soon, it must be so stressful, when u can try and have a shower/bath and a little space and calm chill out, you are doing the best u can in getting help but need to look after yourself too xx

Sanjifair Wed 30-Oct-13 10:33:52

ready hah! That is hilarious!
pinkforboys did you know you can buy a cat net to put over the Moses basket? From mothercare and amazon, quite cheap if I remember rightly.
flyer sorry it's getting so difficult. Can you call one of the helplines, NCT or laleche league or get your midwife round?
FF, if she would go for that, is worth trying too.

Pinkforboys Wed 30-Oct-13 10:34:37

Flyer hugs from here too. Can you call DPs cousin today and ask for any advice?

Pinkforboys Wed 30-Oct-13 10:39:48

Sanji Thanks for the reminder...a cat net was the first thing my Mum bought for me, I just completely forgot about it blush

Paternity Leave is turning into working-from-home/DIY-leave. DH has argued with DS more than played with him (which was the half-term plan) and is now up a ladder repairing the front of the house. He's also announced that tomorrow he needs to do some drawings. Poor DS. So much for an entertaining half-term break... I haven't had a hormonal breakdown yet, but when I hear the two of them arguing over something DS has done I'm on the edge. Co-parenting is hard work sad

textbook Wed 30-Oct-13 10:54:23

Flyer how long since A's had a proper feed? Check her fontanelle - if it looks sunken she could be dehydrated. Nappies also a sign, if she's not weeing much etc. I think if I were you I would take her to the hospital if she has any symptoms of dehydration. Not worth messing about, and understandably it's making you very stressed and worried. Really hope she starts feeding properly soon thanksthanksthanks

Flyer747 Wed 30-Oct-13 11:09:09

Nat we are trying aptimal she point blank refuses to take it from a bottle.

The health visitor just called me told her that she last fed at 5am (small feeble feed) and she told me I have to go to Alder Hey. So off we go hmm

flyer try Nuk latex teat bottles Ds found it very difficult to feed and these are the only ones that worked they are very soft and easy to get milk from for a weak feeder, also he despised aptamil may be worth trying a different brand there a very subtle differences in them xxx

Well fingers crossed flyer if ur at the hospital and there is something that can be done i.e tongue tie they just bloody get on and do it! Seems ridiculous to keep passing u from pillar to post, lets hope u see someone with some common sense! xxx

Bronzemoth Wed 30-Oct-13 11:49:29

flyer good luck I hope they can get the tongue tie fixed asap. Hang in there.

clapham hoping the lack of updates is all good news

legallyblond Wed 30-Oct-13 11:58:35

Whoop whoop Clapham!

Sanji - re 30 secs of pain... Check latch etc but its not abnormal and good that it goes.... It should ease off soon, bit like I said, triple check latch. I find that the first latch the baby gets is sore, so after a suck or two, I latch off (with my little finger) then on again and it seems better.

Sparkleigh - flowers huge congratulations!!!!

Ready - flowers welcome Cyrus! Fab name! Love the kicking! I kicked the surgeon in the middle if my cervical stitch op at 24 weeks..... Under GA!!!

Flyer - I guess they'll prob tube feed (they almost did this to V because of low blood sugars) until she's got enough energy to feed herself again. Are you pumping in case you want to go back to bf? The hospital will led you a fab pump if you wish x

legallyblond Wed 30-Oct-13 12:01:16

Notsoold - I had to top up V with formula until she got back to birth weight. I pumped to improve supply for those few days as well. She bfeeds (and gains) like a trooper now!!! I expect it'll just be for a few days. Don't cry!!!!

Readyasilleverbe Wed 30-Oct-13 12:28:47

flyer big massive hugs and good luck. Thinking of you. Xxxx
Glad I could provide some entertainment for you all!x bloody hell being stitched up is the worst thing ever.
Clapham hope you are nearly there/ already there and enjoying baby. Xxx

ananikifo Wed 30-Oct-13 12:48:59

Oh flyer I'm sorry it's so hard but I hope the hospital can finally help you.

Sending positive thoughts to everyone in labour and looking forward to hearing about your babies!!!

Joshie is getting older and he's more alert, more gassy, and bigger. He stretches out his legs more instead of curling them up all the time. It's a good thing of course but I am a bit sad to lose my tiny newborn. It's silly but true.

textbook Wed 30-Oct-13 12:51:52

Glad you're getting her seen Flyer - I'm sure she'll be absolutely fine. FX they will help you get this sorted properly. You're doing brilliantly thanks

legallyblond Wed 30-Oct-13 13:30:04

I know Ana, I feel the same! And I'll never have another new born again sad (unless we have another surprise...).

Twins and I had our six week check (at 7 weeks!). All fine with them and me. GP agreed they, like almost all babies, have mild silent reflux... I need to keep them upright after feeds and use bed blocks on cot etc... I'm also going to go dairy free in case that helps.. I'm severely lactose intolerant usually (had it since I was two!!) but (as my ENT consultant always promised...) I can eat dairy while preg and bf because its an autoimmune intolerance and the immune system is v suppressed at those times.... But I think it's not helping H in particular, as he's v snotty (my main prob as a child was lots and lots of mucas leading to acute deafness..). Does anyone know if goats milk products might be an issue re milk proteins? They're ok for lactose intolerance...

Flyer - I meant to say, really try and push them to get up the bottom of why A wont feed instead of letting them fob you off. You need answers then you can move on. Huge hugs x x x

Legally, most of my family can't eat milk. For me it is lactose because taking the lactase enzyme helps, but my 2 year old niece the gp said it is milk protein that is probably the issue - that is usually the culprit for reflux in babies. She eats goats milk and cheese no problem. I can't though. Worth a try. I didn't know it got better in pregnancy - I missed my chance to scoff on cheese and chocolates!

thanks flyer so sorry you have to go back in. Hopefully they can feed her just enough to give her the energy to do it herself. Thomas wouldn't suck at first because the jaundice made him so sleepy then he obviously lost more weight and so it continued.(Luckily we could syringe enough in to him while he slept). This might kick start the into getting you the help you need quicker re tongue tie etc. you must feel so drained but do keep making a fuss about that , don't let them fob you off. Is someone with you?

Who here has the nct bednest? What do you think of them?
We ordered a little green sheep snuz pod but they have let us down and it won't be ready until end of November so I cancelled the order and now we are looking for something else. We have the cheapest Moses basket I could find to tide us over but as they say babies should be in your room until 6 months if we are going to get something better eventually we might as well get it now to get maximum use about of it and get Thomas used to it.

ananikifo Wed 30-Oct-13 13:48:23

Legally and georgie (I think?) avoiding dairy would only help if the babies were allergic to cow's milk. The majority of babies with reflux do not have allergies. The sphincter at the top of the stomach is commonly leaky in babies and that's the cause of most infant reflux. A lot of babies here get gaviscon and other anti reflux meds before allergy is considered.

If you want to avoid dairy and see if it helps then you'd need to avoid all mammalian milk and traces thereof as though you were allergic as well. You also need to think about your own calcium and vitamin d needs which are high when you're breastfeeding. A calcium and vitamin D supplement would probably be a good idea.

JellyCurls Wed 30-Oct-13 13:51:19

Rant alert...

HV out yesterday and noticed Jamie's blue legs, feet, hands and arms. Said to get him seen at GP ASAP. Called and rightfully can't get an appointment as he's not yet registered. They won't send me registration forms out I to collect in person. Explained I can't drive as post section and can't walk the 3 miles to surgery to collect form. But she wouldn't budge as "rules are rules" do you ever just want to hit your head off a brick wall?

ananikifo Wed 30-Oct-13 13:52:55

Orange the bednest is nice but nothing like cosleeping. If Joshie wants to be close to me he is not satisfied by the bednest. I'm sure he would feel just as far away in a normal cot beside the bed. It is, however, easier to pick him up and put him back, and I like it as a piece of furniture. I think it looks nice and it's a good size.

Congrats to new mummies, and hope all is going well for those swil.

flyer I hope you are getting the help you need.

jelly, what is the hv or gps suggestion for getting baby seen then?

Emilia has been feeding constantly during the day since yesterday morning, boobs are hurting! She is 4 weeks on Sunday - is this too early for the 4 week growth spurt?

Mnippy Wed 30-Oct-13 14:16:58

jelly - I had a similar problem today. Meaning I had to walk twice to the Gp with a csection scar - once to register the birth, then they got me an appointment which was later the same day. Too much to ask for them to get me the appointment and allow me to just come early to register at reception, which would have saved me one very ouchy slow trip!

Orange, like Ana said, our baby doesn't prefer the bednest to being close to us - they are still quite far away. Since I had a section it is still difficult for me to twist and put baby in /out. But it's great for checking up on baby without having to move an inch, and very easy to stick your hand out to check baby is breathing or whether it has been sick. The bonus is that it folds up flat and comes with a bag, so we are going to use it for weekend trips away to visit the in laws.

Flyer - hope the hospital trip ends up being a godsend and kicking things in the right direction re feeding.

Nosoold, the same thing happened here. Unfortunately for us, my production hasn't increased enough is we haven't come off ff top ups yet. Unlike legally I couldn't do too much pumping because my nips were in such a bad state by that point in time, so my production suffered I think.

JellyCurls Wed 30-Oct-13 14:30:40

I have no idea how you are supposed to get an appointment. Called HV and she is going to break the rules and get me a form and drop it round but can't hand it back in for me. At least its a start.

Then I'll have a battle to get an appointment with a decent GP who knows family history.

Hope all ok flyer hope you get some answers

Thanks Ana and nippy.

neenienana Wed 30-Oct-13 15:16:03

Hi ladies, have really enjoyed catching up with posts. Laughed out loud and nearly burst stitches at "claphams" and "ready's" experiences.
I was so indignant at having to go thru more pain after labour, I enjoyed guzzling on the gas and air though whilst he did the deed.
Wow I had forgotten how hard these early days are, nipples are mashed, nights are awful.
Sylvie does seem much more alert and hungry than the boys were, perhaps it was cos she was late.
Huge congrats sanj and what a gorgeous name, it was on our shortlist.
Congrats too to ready and the other new babes.
Go clapham !y
Loving the doggy reactions! We have a leopard gecko who I am convinced was very pleased to see me when I fed him the other night .
flyer you have been though so much. I really hope you get some answers. Tg. Then you have the aff

neenienana Wed 30-Oct-13 15:19:32

Sorry, pressure from health professionals with weight gain. Anyone else with older kids feeling guilty about not being there for them? I get really tearful when I see a certain look on my eldest son's face, he loves the baby but there is a sadness there.

Bronzemoth Wed 30-Oct-13 16:50:45

Please those if you with other children don't feel guilty. I was 18 months old when my brother was born and I'm sure it was a shock at first, but even from a young age I wouldn't have swapped him for the world. The first time you see them playing or talking to each other your heart will melt.

Haylebop12 Wed 30-Oct-13 16:56:47

Afternoon to everyone.

Really hoping that clapham's lack of posts means she's SWIL! Sending dilating, crowning vibes all the way to London!

flyer so sorry to hear things aren't getting better. Like others have said though they may be able to tube/cup/syringe feed her so she can boost her energy and hopefully begin feeding again. I really hope things improve from here.

Congrats to the new mummies.

jelly sorry to hear the HV was concerned. Isaac sometimes has blue ish feet although they don't feel cold. Please let us know the outcome. Hope everything's ok though and she's just being over cautious.

I've done my first bf whilst out. Scary and of course not straight forward. Using nipple shields and a baby/mummy still learning it was a bit of a faff but went ok. Was only at a soft play centre but I've achieved it! Also been to a bf support group (I know one of the other mums) and my bf support worker runs it.

Have my 6 week post natal check next week. I don't remember having one with dd. anyone know what happens? Do they just want to know about me? Or baby too? I didn't have stitches so will they still need to check down below?

Readyasilleverbe Wed 30-Oct-13 17:10:25

A quick question... Cyrus is 2 days old and his umbilicus is a bit sticky. He is totally normal otherwise. Is this all part of the process? Had to change his vest as it ad brownish stuff from it on, sound familiar to those further down the line?x

Haylebop12 Wed 30-Oct-13 17:17:56

Sounds normal to me ready just keep it clean with cool boiled water and cotton wool :-)

roofio87 Wed 30-Oct-13 17:21:18

ready yes sounds totally normal. I worried about H's belly button because it was quite pussy and smelly but it was all normal and fine. It's still a little like it now af nearly 4 weeks but is just still healing.
hayley I have to go back to hospital for my 6 week check as had 3rd degree tear. not sure what else appointment is for though.

letting agent coming over tomorrow for our annual house inspection. fortunately my parents came over today so my dad watched H while me and mum cleaned and tidied the house!! so glad they were here!

Sanjifair Wed 30-Oct-13 17:26:42

ready yes, perfectly normal. Even a little bit of pus is normal. If it gets really red and inflamed or baby has a temp then see your GP. My DS (and now my DD too) had a really thick cord which annoyed the midwives as they can't discharge you until the cord has fallen off. They used to call and ask if it had fallen off yet, without so much as a 'how are you'.
legally yes, I suspect poor latch too. S

Sanjifair Wed 30-Oct-13 17:29:16

ready yes, perfectly normal. Even a little bit of pus is normal. If it gets really red and inflamed or baby has a temp then see your GP. My DS (and now my DD too) had a really thick cord which annoyed the midwives as they can't discharge you until the cord has fallen off. They used to call and ask if it had fallen off yet, without so much as a 'how are you'.
legally yes, I suspect poor latch too. Something to work on.
hayle my 6 week check last time was a waste of time, didn't really check anything and just talked about contraception.
flyer hope you get to the bottom of what is going on.

Natalieand Wed 30-Oct-13 17:31:20

ready my midwife says not to clean if at all as the drier it is the quicker it falls off. X

hayle from what I recall they ask how you are, and what contraception you want - its just a box ticking exercise. I had stitches last time and would have quite liked them checked, but gp didn't seem to think it necessary and felt a bit weird asking.

Readyasilleverbe Wed 30-Oct-13 17:37:00

Thanks everyone. A bit gross on my otherwise perfect baby! X

Haylebop12 Wed 30-Oct-13 17:49:06

Isaacs cord was on for two weeks!

Ah the contraception talk... I have the most reliable form of contraception I will be relying on for at least another few weeks!!! Too sleep deprived.

Pinkforboys Wed 30-Oct-13 18:01:27

ready, T's cord came off last friday during mw visit. She cleaned it with a sterile wipe, but said water's fine. It oozed a bit like you're describing until last night when she had her first bath and a last residue of fine cord came out and she's not bled today.

6 week check- it's with both health visitor and GP here, and i think it is just to make sure everything is in working order- pelvic floor, mental state etc. I think i even managed to DTD beforehand last time to make sure even that was working. (caution- that's how my brother was conceived!)
Contraception talk too- like we need that! I keep pointing out that my bubs are miracle kids...
HV told me they do a 12wk check here too to make sure Mums aren't suffering from pnd.
I got T's BCG appt today, and booked in for registering her birth. We need our marriage certificate- it'll prob take me a week to find it! Is that normal? (the needing it part, not the lost it part...)

Clapham & Smitten, where are you??

cazboldy Wed 30-Oct-13 18:03:52

Lucinda's cord came off really quickly- after about 5 days.

congrats to all new mums and babies, and Good luck to Clapham and Smitten

So, we got on ok at the hospital, they decided that as long as i was happy with her feeding, they would let us wait and see, as he said her jaundice was border line in his opinion, and (thankfully) was reluctant to put her through blood tests needlessly. we agreed that I would get her weighed today ( which I did) and as long as she had put on some weight, he was happy for me to just see mw again on Sat.

and she has! She was 8lbs 9oz today, so has put on 8 oz in 5 days smile

Flyer am so sorry you are having such a hard time, hope you have had a better day today. xx

cazboldy Wed 30-Oct-13 18:06:31

x posts Pink - we registered Lucinda yesterday and didn't need ours!

Contraception! Ha.... mw talked to me about it while they were still here on the day she was born! shock

Not that it did any good, no idea what we will do. I can't have anything hormonal, and not keen on a permenant solution..... ( i know, i know we have 6 and that's enough, but just feels so final!!!!)

Shirehobbit Wed 30-Oct-13 18:23:27

Honest opinions needed ladies. I'm reaching the point where I think I need to abandon bf sad
I have had Al bf for the last two hours, latch fine, he comes away with a milky mouth, but he then comes off and guzzles 4oz of formula with no posseting or vomiting afterwards. Is he actually getting anything from me at all (other than comfort)?
He's 23 days old now. I can't imagine giving 2hr feeds for much longer - it means we're near hostages in the house (I have no car, so no quick trips out are possible).

What should I do?

Smitten1981 Wed 30-Oct-13 18:43:36

Hi all, just to let you know Baby Smitten arrived at 15:04 this afternoon weighing 10lb 1oz. I had to have 2 small stitches, so got lucky there.

Just had a water birth and gas and air, which I had to fight for as no one believed I was in established labour because they couldn't examine me due to waters breaking early and infection risks, so was dying for a good few hours until they swapped midwives and I got 2 lovely ones who gave me the gas and air straight away.

We have to stay in for 12 hours in case he has an infection from the waters breaking. But can go home tomorrow morning.

cazboldy Wed 30-Oct-13 18:48:12

OMG Smitten what a whopper, well done you and Congratulation smile xx

Shire Sorry I don't know what to say, no experience of mixed feeds/to ups, but you need to go with your gut feeling and do what you need to for you and A xxx

Natalieand Wed 30-Oct-13 19:03:01

Harrison's cord fell off on day 4 I was shocked I texted the midwife to check it was ok for it to happen so quick x

Can't remember who aSked but dh and I didn't need our marriage certificate

Congratulations smitten I hope u didn't buy too much newborn flowers

Good news u didn't have to be admitted for Lucinda's jaundice caz hopefully it fixes itself .x

After dd I wasn't wanting to dtd for ages but this time I can't wait to get back too it, how long do u need to wait? I had a 1st degree tear but it didn't require stitching

throckenholt Wed 30-Oct-13 19:05:49

shirehobbit - why are you feeding for 2 hours, and then topping up ? Genuine question - does he seem overly hungry ?

If he has a milky mouth then he is getting milk out. Rather than feed for 2 hours - maybe feed for 1/2 an hour and then have a break - and if he seems hungry again in an hour then feed again. And try and do without formula topups for a day to start with. Formula is very easy to guzzle down - even when not hungry.

Try and have faith in your body.

Sanjifair Wed 30-Oct-13 19:15:27

Yay Smitten! So pleased you got your water birth. 10 lb 1 oz, wow! Boy or girl?

Shire I was in a similar position with DS but he took the decision out of my hands and screamed blue murder when offered the breast. Do you express at all, we moved to expressing and formula mixed feeding, then formula only eventually.

Things are very different with Eloise, she so far appears to be a boob monster and is seemingly getting on very well. However, I wonder if her weight will have dropped a lot from the birth weight on next weigh in due to the amount of poo she has been producing...I know she was 42 weeks gestation but you would not believe the amount of mec she has produced! On day 3/4 now do hopefully not much more of it to come.

PseudoBadger Wed 30-Oct-13 19:35:11

Shire - I know I always suggest this on the thread but has he been checked for tongue tie (including posterior)? Long feeds can be a sign. What happens if you don't top up?

Congratulations Smitten - what a size!

Hope Clapham is doing well....

I'm celebrating as I have been taken off one of my BP meds, just the other to go now! Hopefully it won't shoot up. Tarlia how is your BP?

Shootingstarsandcomets Wed 30-Oct-13 19:40:29

Wow smitten well done!
Wonder how clapham is getting on....
Hope hospital can help you flyer
I have decided to completely abandon bf which has made me rather sad as little B is quite good it seems and I have good supply but I just can't cope with the time needed and looking after my crazy super active toddler. I literally can't take my eyes off him or sit down for a second when he's awake so I was bf at nap times and night and using bottles at other times but it just isn't working for us so I've given little B a teary last feed and am on bottles as from now. I'm sure he won't care at all but I so enjoyed feeding ds1 and feel sad I can't do the same for this little chap.

Shirehobbit Wed 30-Oct-13 20:01:28

If I don't top up he roots like mad and cries a lot.
If I stop after 20mins/half an hour, the same happens.
I can express if I stop after 30mins but not if he feeds longer. Pumping between feeds is unproductive (5-10ml at best).
He has been checked for tongue tie by various people.

I cannot conceive of ditching the formula in one foul swoop - he is just too hungry.

Congratulations smitten - wow!
Shire would you be happier if you kept doing both?

Congratulations Smitten, and I thought Charlie was big!
Breast fed in public (with a blanket) for the first time today, felt scary but good smile
Shire I had the same problem with DD, however long she was there she seemed to come away hungry. I ended up expressing so I could monitor what she took, and she took to the bottle so quickly I never went back to bf with her.
I felt pretty sad about it at the time, but she's happy and healthy, and once the pressure was off me I got to really enjoy her.

Does anyone else's LO have hiccups a lot? Thought Charlie was going to hurl earlier they went on for so long hmm

Pinkforboys Wed 30-Oct-13 20:20:44

Oh Shire, it sounds like you're really stuck with these long feeds. I hope you find a feeding/life balance soon x

Smitten- fantastic news, well done you!!!

Pseudo- that's great about your drugs, does that mean your BP is finally behaving itself?

I've lost track of the thread- who was worried about undescended testes? My Friend's son had that (they thought he was a girl when first born) but they came down ok. I don't think they needed any surgical help. Good luck with that xx

I had my first hormonal sob on DH/DS. The former most unsympathetic the latter gave me lovely hugs. I'm a long wAy from DTD with DH. At the moment we feel more like strangers than lovers. Stupidly I'd just like to have some acknowledgement of what I've had to go thru the last 3yrs- my body has been violated by so many needles and drips and tests and undignified probings and I haven't even had a bunch if flowers.
Sorry for the rant- I just needed to let that one out.

Mnippy Wed 30-Oct-13 20:21:14

Shire, to keep me sane and my baby content, the doctors and breast feeding experts advised: 30 min max of boob (split between the boobs, or on one only, doesn't matter), then formula top up. Make sure there is almost constant sucking, using breast compression to maintain sucking until compressions don't work anymore. It means baby gets the good stuff from breast milk, but isn't hungry and lets me live/sleep between feeds. And the whole feed takes about an hour, leaving me with 1-2 hours until the next one.

Also could someone please add me to the arrivals list? I'm no good at it.
Charlie Alexander
9lb 3oz

Thanks smile

Mnippy Wed 30-Oct-13 20:24:55

Pink - thanks. Lots of sympathy. I didn't realise my relationship with DP would change as much as it has done. Not stupid at all - our men should treat us a bit like goddesses from time to time to show appreciation of what we have been through!

Soupqueen Wed 30-Oct-13 20:31:18

Congrats smitten!

shire, have you tried phoning one of the helplines? It might help, nothing to lose.

I've tried to add myself to the spreadsheet but made a total arse of it, sorry.

We're planning our first solo excursion tomorrow, to one of my nct friends for coffee. I can't imagine how we're going to coordinate feeding, changing etc and get out of the house for a specific time but at 15 days old, I really need to try it. We can't be housebound for ever.

MrsHoratioNelson Wed 30-Oct-13 20:45:15

Congratulations Smitten

Who was asking about hiccoughs? C has them a lot and they really upset him - they seem to shake his whole body.

chickieno1 Wed 30-Oct-13 21:07:52

Congrats smitten xx

Congrats smitten,what a whopper, I bet that stung a bit
soup you will be fine - I realised today that with a manic 3 year old and a baby my life will be lived with constant low level stress and anxiety for the foreseeable future. I feel a bit calmer now I've acceptedthat.

pink and all those struggling with DHS, lots of sympathy to you. Do and I split for a time when ds was 8 weeks old, as we just couldn't deal with the massive upheaval and our expectations of each other. We worked through it, but all I can suggest is keep talking to each other, both be honest but realistic about what you need from each other, and make some time for your relationship, as its so easy to loose touch with your adult life. Hope you can work it out xx

PseudoBadger Wed 30-Oct-13 21:23:50

"I realised today that with a manic 3 year old and a baby my life will be lived with constant low level stress and anxiety for the foreseeable future."

Amen to that!

Smitten1981 Wed 30-Oct-13 21:37:12

Thanks everyone. I don't actually know what supposed to do with him now though. Keep passing him to DH.

Clapham are you in labour?

Yes to whole body hiccups here too.

Today Thomas has decided he doesn't like sleeping in his Moses basket anymore... I think it will be a long night!

Flyer how did it go today?

Flyer747 Wed 30-Oct-13 22:10:27

Congrats smitten thanks a blimin fantastic size and done on gas and air only...what a hero you are grin

So went to alder hey, it makes me feel sad seeing lots of sick children hmm

There for most of the day. Luckily my mum is staying with us this week. She's been given infant Gaviscon for possible reflux. Bit of a faff as have to syringe it into her mouth. Will see what the outcome is.

No chance of returning to ff as she keeps vomiting it back up and most of it too. So on with the bf we go.

We will be referred to the team who will look at the tongue tie takes a few weeks confused trying to convince dp to pay but as they told us today " she's perfectly healthy she just has feeding issues" he isn't in a rush to part with his pennies!

I have a screaming baby after most feeds though so I think reflux maybe the problem.

thanks To pink, I think these men just don't realise what we go through.

How exciting Clapham is probably LIT somewhere in London now

ananikifo Wed 30-Oct-13 22:50:41

Flyer fingers crossed that the gaviscon helps and life gets easier for you and A very soon.

How long do people keep feeding every 3 hours? I have no concerns about feeding behaviour or nappies, and at 6 days his weight was ok, to be reweighed tomorrow at 12 days. On the day he was born I had trouble latching him in and was told he must be fed every 3 hours or else to give expressed milk by syringe. So I've been setting an alarm every 3 hours. He feeds on demand more often than that at certain times of day but he would sleep 4 hours in a row after 3 am and I'd love to let him. At 2 weeks are most people setting alarms or waking babies to feed?

ananikifo Wed 30-Oct-13 22:51:14

And congrats Smitten!thanksthanks

Ana I'm letting dd go up to 5 hours at night, so feed 10.30/11, and have alarm set for4, but she.normally wakes before. She is gaining well and feeding loads during the day, so this is working well for us, pretty much from day 1.

Natalieand Wed 30-Oct-13 23:03:09

ana I don't no of its the same for bf as ff but I asked the midwife this and she said as long as baby is feeding well in the day and gaining weight its fine to let them sleep overnight if they want to x

roxvox Wed 30-Oct-13 23:23:10

ana I feed purely on demand, so sometimes (today) I find myself feeding every hour pretty much. However during the day if A was to sleep for 3 hours then I would check/change her nappy, which would then wake her up and then I would feed her. Overnight I don't set an alarm and just let her wake me when she wants feeding, which is usually after 3-4 hours depending on whether I have done a ff top up before bed.

roxvox Wed 30-Oct-13 23:27:27

Congratulations smitten! That's an impressive size to then get away with minimal stitches.

flyer I am pleased you've had some help, even if it does seem as thought they're all being a bit slack. Fingers crossed the baby gaviscon will do the trick; perhaps A just isn't feeding because it's painful for her afterwards with the reflux? If easier to feed Alexandra using a bottle/syringe then could you express some breast milk to feed her? Quite a big faff admittedly, but it might help until you can get her on a decent feeding routine.

chickieno1 Thu 31-Oct-13 00:08:07

Well said re three year old and a baby bowlful!

Glad you've got some gaviscon for A flyer. Hope things turn around very quickly for you now.

pink this is a safe place to rant! It can be very difficult with partners with new baby. Hoping its a bit easier for us this time around.

flowers for those with decisions made or to make regarding bf/ff (shooting, shire). Nothing specific to add as everyone s situations are different but thinking about you xx

Trying to encourage day night awareness here..........

Racheld33 Thu 31-Oct-13 02:18:22

So for the 4th night in a row H (3.5 weeks old) is awake every hour through the night, but she only feeds for 30 seconds and then falls asleep, if/when I wake her she won't feed anymore. So she's obviously not waking cos of hunger. I am soooooooooo tired!

<disclaimer-this is my 2nd child so I knew there were nights /weeks/months like this, but any tips appreciated>

Happy Halloween! thlbiscuit

pinkbuttons Thu 31-Oct-13 02:45:59

Congratulations smitten what an amazing weight! hope your having a good first night.

flyer sorry to hear your still having trouble with feeding. Really hope gaviscon works and that your referral for tongue tie comes through quickly sounds so stressful. x

bowlful I have thought the exact same thing today.

pink you have my sympathy re DH and feel free to rant. Falken out with mine tonight because hes been going on about DTD for the past week. I pointed out that my stitches only dissolved properly yesterday and I didnt feel nearly ready and he just got moody hmm again woukd just like some awareness of what my body went through not even 3 weeks ago...

rachel no top tips here. Does she sound in pain? Islas had a few nights of regular wake ups where she seems particularly refluxy. Have put crib on an angle now so shes not so flat.

Hoping to see more baby announcements today, ut is after all the last day of October smile

Bronzemoth Thu 31-Oct-13 03:25:57

Congratulations smitten

pink we registered N at islington town hall as that's the same borough as the Wit and no need for marriage cert just took passports which I don't think were stricty necessary. It was really nice as it is where dh and I got married so lots of happy memories.

I have a slightly snotty baby. It's not a big problem at all but just wondered if there is anything I can do to help him breathe especially when I'm feeding?

Racheld33 Thu 31-Oct-13 03:32:52

Thanks pinkbuttons
She doesn't really seem in pain, more wakes rooting (I think she just likes a cuddle/suck for comfort!), but will wedge cot up with some books in the morning thanks

Sanjifair Thu 31-Oct-13 05:28:24

Not a good night here. Up since 3:00, fed non stop basically, from both boobs. Lots of fussing and whinging towards the end. Then outright wailing. Am not sure if she has drained my boobs and is still hungry (milk only came in yesterday) or she has tummy issues that are causing her distress. She has settled back in the boob now but I think mainly for comfort. I think she just needs a good sleep which would let my boobs replenish, but can't seem to get her to sleep! Not easy these little ones, are they?

carcassonne Thu 31-Oct-13 06:56:48

Quick post for those struggling with formula top ups. If you are keen to wean off, have a google of medela's supplemental nursing system. I got in to a situation with my DD (now 3.5) where top ups had led to total breast refusal at 10 weeks. Using the SNS over 5 weeks I gradually lessened the amount of formula &, as it allows you to be feeding from the breast while topping up, milk supply gradually built up enough so that she didn't miss the top ups. I went to a v supportive breastfeeding group who helped me with a regime for this & referred me to a lactation consultant who I talked to on the phone.

Might be worth trying to find out where your best local support group is or, if you can afford it, speaking to an IBCLC registered lactation consultant (google the IBCLC website-you can always call one to talk for free). My DD did have a sneaky tongue tue that everyone failed to spit apart from the lactation consultant... They are expensive but in my doula work I have never referred a client to one who hasn't had a positive experience & had breastfeeding turned around for them & saved themselves a tonne on formula in the long run.

The SNS us a faff to use-and takes a lot of time & energy-but it meant we were back to EBF which was important to me & in fact DD still breastfeeds once or twice a day now grin

I know for some switching to FF or mixed feeding will feel right & you need to go with your gut in this, but if you are keen to keep breastfeeding many women find an IBCLC invaluable & the SNS thing I mentioned is a genius invention.

All ok here. A now 3.5 weeks. Wondering whether he has reflux, though I know to tongue ties cab cause similar symptoms & he does have one of those. He's stacking weight on (12 ozs last week) as I have the milk supply of champions this time (thank you DD) so haven't rushed to diagnose a problem but he gets v distressed for periods every day, very, very sicky, lots of wind, not keen on lying flat etc etc

How are everyone's older children getting on? DD totally loves A & there 's been no jealousy but she is waking at night screaming for me & much more clingy & sensitive.

throckenholt Thu 31-Oct-13 08:13:57

shire - how long has this been happening ? It could be just a [[ http://www.mumsnet.com/babies/baby-growth-spurts-and-breastfeeding growth spurt]]

throckenholt Thu 31-Oct-13 08:14:48
Readyasilleverbe Thu 31-Oct-13 08:35:18

Morning all . Well done and congratulations clapham and smitten. Happy Halloween!
I have done a little experiment with Cyrus this morning after a night of frantic feeding and reluctance to settle after feeding. He did always get there so I shouldn't really complain but I decided to take an objective view of his Moses basket and decided I wouldn't be happy about having to get in it after spending up to an hour happily feeding in someone's arms in bed! I'm not sure he's old enough to have reflux as he's only 3 days and I only noticed actual milk last night but he def loves sleeping propped up on oh's knees and he does get hiccups and wind. So I have put a normal pillow in the Moses basket in lieu of mattress and propped up head end very slightly with folded blankets so he's marginally inclined. I can't see that it's not safe and he settled immediately after 6am feed and has been sleeping since much more peacefully than he did over night. Just thought I'd share in case it may help others. I am a massive amateur obviously so forgive me if a) this is not something I should do and b) if everyone already does this! I am also aware this may be fluke and I might be back to square 1 in a few hours!! Going to get his passport pics taken later as we are going to Dublin in 7 wks so need to get things going. Hope no strangers try to touch him....I may bite!! Hope others got some rest. Can't believe how hungry a little baby can be! Xxx

Sanjifair Thu 31-Oct-13 08:35:35

Those with older children, how are you handling naughty behaviour associated with the new arrival? We just had a mother of all tantrums including hitting this morning. I am prepared to let some naughty behavior slip past as I understand it is difficult for my DS (3.2) but hitting has always been and always will be a no-no. Any strategies that others are using would be interesting to me. DS went on time out and as he wouldn't comply with that, ended up having favourite toys confiscated for 24 h.

Natalieand Thu 31-Oct-13 08:40:08

sanji dd is a simular age she (turns 3 tommorow) her problem has mainly been attitude a good old foot stamp arm fold and scowl when talking to us, I have punished as usual by taking something away or time out I personally think that altho yes its a big change u need to keep the same rules/boundaries/punishment in place as u would have done without a baby fit consistency x

apperleydapperley Thu 31-Oct-13 10:10:39

Hello - congrats and welcome to the new arrivals - Smitten and clapham (and anyone else i've missed). So which tardy babies are we waiting for now? Do they know they only have 14 hours to put in an October appearance?! (Sorry i'm sure you don't want that rubbing in if you're SFW)

Rachel we had a couple of nights like that and in the end i tried a dummy which was not something i've had to use before, so was done reluctantly, but it worked a treat just to help Thomas to drop off. I am only going to use at night when required as would rather he didn't become too dependent on it. Might be worth a try if its just that suckling she is after.

Sanji I have DS of 3.3 and am finding him quite hard work. He is generally good but his behaviour has definitely downturned since the new arrival. We are having lots of wee accidents, generally ignoring us and not doing as told. We have started taking trains away every time he is naughty. A bit of a challenge i agree. DD (5) has been great but has started coming into our bed at night which she hasn't done for years. I think we were disturbed by all 3 of them evenly throughout the night last night. Luckily the older two are at halloween events this morning so am not moving from the sofa.

brew and cake to all xx

Mnippy Thu 31-Oct-13 10:36:41

I wonder how Clapham is doing?

Also, forgot to say a huge congrats to smitten!

Baby had four hours between feeds last night. Plus he settled well after feeds (I've worked out finally that changing him after his feeds turns a nice sleepy baby into a howling awake monster, so now I change before feed or during). However, this week we've only managed the very occasional feed without formula (maybe 1-2 a day), so it looks like a long path to exclusive bfing. Will check the supplemental system.

Racheld33 Thu 31-Oct-13 11:00:25

Thanks apperley will send DH and DS out this morning for a dummy to try! Did try one when DS was a baby but he spat it out so much one night (approx 50 times!) that I threw it in the bin there and then thlgrin

GTbaby Thu 31-Oct-13 11:11:21

I gave in last night and co slept. And felt so much better!
Went to bed at 10.30. Usually I feed sat in bed then transfer lo to cot. Yesterday I fed laying down and we both fell asleep. He usually wakes at 1.30. But yesterday didn't or woke and found my boob while asleep? Fed at 4. So felt like I got a proper sleep from 11ish to 4!
5 hours! Who would have thunk it!

Something I didn't know with ds1 (but he was formula fed so not an issue). You can get vitamins for baby from 1month old.
Recommendation is bf from 6months on to give vits. However I didn't take my vits regularly during pregnancy and I keep forgetting now. So figure he may as well take them.

GTbaby Thu 31-Oct-13 11:28:33

For a dummy get the cherry dummies. They are round dummies the baby can hold on to, the small flat teats are to small for them to hold on to yet.

ananikifo Thu 31-Oct-13 11:37:30

GT the main vitamin bf babies need supplementing is vitamin D. Most countries this far north recommend all bf babies get vitamin d drops from birth and experts in the UK are hoping to get the advice here changed to say the same thing. I'm planning to get Joshua some vitamin drops the next time I can get to a pharmacy.

I decided to go alarm free last night but Joshie decided not to sleep for most of the night. It's so frustrating not to know if he's hungry, uncomfortable, or just awake. When he finally did sleep he woke after about 3 hours so I think we'll keep going with demand overnight.

Pinkforboys Thu 31-Oct-13 11:50:51

Congratulations Clapham!!
Notyomumma are you the last one cooking on this thread?? I'm so willing you to have our Hallowe'en baby xxx

Little T woke every 1.5hrs to feed last night, growth spurt?thlhmm
Thanks for the supportive response to my rant yesterday. The positive outcome to my little meltdown is that DH has taken DS out to the zoo, leaving his drawings behind. So i have the ridiculously messy house to myself, just waiting for my final mw visit.

thanks to all those with misbehaving older DCs. DS is alternatively incredibly thoughtful and loving to T and then behaves like a lunatic- classic attention seeking, and poor love has a sleep-deprived-short-tempered-mother who doesnt find it too amusing. We're getting there though. I agree with nat, consistency is important, but given that our DS is 6 I'm trying to reason with him too ha ha!

Happy Hallowe'en to you all! Loving the pics on FB. Thea's 'gro was too big so she'll just have to scream loads to be the hallowe'en part when we T&T tonight. thlgrin

chickieno1 Thu 31-Oct-13 12:50:35

gt how do you feed lying down?

ana they tell you to buy vit d drops when leaving the hospital. I think three people reminded me and my gp.

My 3.2 yr old ds is the same with the challenging behaviour. He's also coming into bed at night but wanting to lie practically on top of me esp when I have dd in my arms....... Making getting some sleep even harder. Do reward charts for good behaviour work at this age?

Sending positive labour vibes to notyomamma and slippy and anyone else bloody SFW flowers

MrsHoratioNelson Thu 31-Oct-13 12:51:29

Have i missed an announcement from Clapham?

Pinkforboys Thu 31-Oct-13 13:06:57

MrsH- get yee to FB!! You get all the news there first grin

cazboldy Thu 31-Oct-13 13:11:22

We also co - sleep..... I have with all of mine. It's the only way we get any sleep, and with dh having to get up at 4.15 am he does need some rest!

I feed lying down too smile Chickie just have baby lying paralell to you, they turn their head sideways and you're away grin

We don't have any pillows/duvet near baby though, and usually baby is only in with both of us for a little while, as I put her in the crib to sleep at first, then only stays in with us after she wakes for the first time, which is usually only a couple of hours before dh gets up.

i don't mind having not much sleep til he goes tbh as I can then get a good couple of hours when he has!

Pinkforboys Thu 31-Oct-13 13:11:30

Yay! There is a reward for sleepless-feeding-frenzy-nights... Thea weighed in at 7lb10oz. That's almost 1lb gain in 9days. MW very happy to discharge us. No wonder her up-to-7lb baby-gros are looking a little strained... what a waste of money!

ananikifo Thu 31-Oct-13 13:59:15

chickie was that in Canada or the UK? I've actually considered asking my mom to bring me vitamin d drops from Canada but at the last vitamin d lecture I went to they said the multivitamin drops in the UK are fine.

ananikifo Thu 31-Oct-13 14:01:05

Also wanted to say I feed lying down when my perineum hurts too much to sit. I put J on his side and align him with my breast. He doesn't even need support in that position and we're at a point where he knows the routine and starts opening his mouth wide when he's put on his side.

dontworryjustpanic Thu 31-Oct-13 14:03:33

I too am SFW. DS just about over his tummy bug finally - didn't much fancy a poorly 2-yr old & a newborn to deal with & I dont want a Halloween baby so having made me wait this long, the little monkey can stay put till tomorrow!

Congratulations new mummies & flowers to all of you struggling with sleep deprivation, feeding & jealous siblings - I'll be joining you shortly (I hope). smile

chickieno1 Thu 31-Oct-13 14:15:24

Thanks re lying down feeding caz and ana

Yay for wt gain pink And agree those up to 7lb babygros and vests are a waste!!

Ana the vit d advice is here in Canada. Never got it with ds in London.
I've bought it but haven't given it yet. Better start blush

Sending labour vibes for tomorrow dontworry

chickieno1 Thu 31-Oct-13 14:34:20

On a feed poo nappy change cycle here. She needs to sleep and more importantly so do I sad

Pinkforboys Thu 31-Oct-13 14:38:45

dontworry glad to hear your DS is better. Here's wishing you an All Saints baby xx

GTbaby Thu 31-Oct-13 14:55:04


Chick- Google images there are load. I found it quite difficult at first. However we have both got better at it. Have to change sides every feed. But that's not to bad as I feed on one side for each feed.

Haylebop12 Thu 31-Oct-13 14:57:40

chickie I googled the feed lying down position. We do it too Abd like caz Isaac gets in bed with me once dh gets up, around 6am. He's been settling from around 11pm so it's working quite well over here :-)

MrsHoratioNelson Thu 31-Oct-13 15:06:14

<wails> but Pink I did sad

I can't see an announcement from Clapham or am I going mad?

Shootingstarsandcomets Thu 31-Oct-13 15:20:16

We co sleep too and did feed lying down except now I am no longer bf I have to sit up and do it properly sad
Look harder mrshn there is a photo too!
Waiting for family members to descend from the north and overstimulate baby B!

Could somebody add me to the fb page if I pm my details please? Feel like I'm missing out! Thanks smile

chickieno1 Thu 31-Oct-13 15:39:33

Thanks ladiesxx

MrsHoratioNelson Thu 31-Oct-13 15:42:41

Phew, found it smile

xuntitledx Thu 31-Oct-13 15:59:48

I'm really struggling today.

LO and I have spent the last 4 hours crying hysterically - he won't settle and I feel like the worst mum in the world. I'm just not sure I can do this sad

He's obviously really windy but infacol and winding aren't helping at all. He's then vomiting after every feed for some reason?!?

He's overtired but won't sleep and even when I get him off to sleep, he wakes up screaming 5 mins later.

What can I do?!?

pinkbuttons Thu 31-Oct-13 16:22:21

untitled really sorry to hear your struggling. weve been having a similar problem with Isla vomiting after every feed and half way through. saw the HV today and she got us a GP appt to discuss reflux and have been prescribed infant gaviscon. she said wasnt urgent as shes gaining weight but is probably why shes crying so much when shes lay down. we also thought she was windy but infacol just made her projectile vomits even stronger. can you phone HV or midwife for advice? Sorry your having such a hard day. xx

thanks untitled. Can you get him to sleep upright eg laying on your chest/ in a bouncy chair?

We could only feed laying on my side at first in hospital. Now I prefer sitting up but it did work well for me. I also sometimes feed from the 'top' boob when on my side by putting him on a pillow to lift him up but not at night when I worry I might fall asleep like that.

Red lips pm me your name and a description of your profile picture, or your email address if you are hard to find, and I will add you to the Facebook page.

Went to the breastfeeding drop in. We were the only ones there so had a midwife to ourselves for an hour. Unfortunately Thomas was too windy to eat and wasn't hungry. She weighed him and he has put on about 100g since HV came two days ago which is reassuring as I have pretty much abandoned the 4 hour schedule the other midwife suggested. She said it would be ok to gradually reduce bottles now as long as I keep. Going to get him weighed every week. I also learnt a new sign that the baby has wind - a slight blue 'moustache'. and that I need to pat him harder than I have been to bring up wind, so not a complete waste of time.

Bronzemoth Thu 31-Oct-13 16:38:18


Pm and I'll give it ago -I've no idea want I'm doing-

I just need to have a little moan it is really trivial compared to the various feeding problems and feverish babies but need to get it off my chest. I'm finding my mil generosity overwhelming. She keeps buying things -we don't need- for N. It is lovely but it's getting to much, I feel like I can't buy anything for my own baby. We have literally bought 1 outfit so far a cute reindeer outfit for Christmas a couple of days ago and yesterday we get given a Christmas outfit from her as well, despite dh already telling her he had enough clothes. I feel bad -part of me wants to throw it away- as she is trying to be nice but I hate both waste and also want to buy cute things for my own baby.

I can understand that bronze, things like Thomas' first teddy it was important to me that I buy myself, and in laws have been very generous helping with bouncer and pushchair but we made sure I chose the ones I wanted as it was part of the fun of preparing for a baby and if we were given the 'wrong' ones we would have felt we couldn't buy the ones we wanted and would be stuck with them. You can never have too many clothes though, think of it as less washing to do, but go and buy some nice things that you choose yourself.

Pinkforboys Thu 31-Oct-13 19:35:59

Bronze- my Mum's been a bit like that. Most things I've liked but, put it this way, it's great that John Lewis take things back without a receipt!!
I didn't think she'd notice but we ended up sorting out T's wardrobe together and sure enough she spotted what was missing! Was quite forgiving tho when I admitted it wasn't quite to my taste. Wd your MIL take offence at that or wd she understand? Or maybe go shopping with you??

emmoB13 Thu 31-Oct-13 22:29:54

I second that infacol made baby sicky. H has only been sick twice in 5 weeks and that was usually through hiccups but he was really windy so started him on infacol and he started properly being sick. Took him off and he stopped - strange!

Little rant from me too: we are currently visiting my partners mum and her boyfriend in London. They both smoke but agreed to do it outside (they usually sit and smoke every evening in the livingroom) while baby is in the house. We went out to visit other family this evening and came back to a very smoking living room. I didn't realise and let baby go in with my dps mum. When I did I sent dp in to get him back and quickly changed his clothes and bathed him. We are now hiding upstairs with the window open! I'm probably super paranoid but I so don't want him inhaling smoke when he's so little, or ever really. I did smoke until I got my bfp so I do understand but would never near a baby and we're only here for 3 nights! Thankfully home tomorrow.

We are still doing 2 hourly feeds night and day (like clockwork!) of 3ozs - to those ff is this normal and is there anyway I can get him to take more in the hope he'll go longer between?

Thinking of those struggling with bf and poorly babies. I admire so many of you for persevering with bf in the face of so many issues smile

I am having problems adding redlips to Facebook! would anyone else mind having a go?

Emmo I would be furious and you are not being paranoid, the nhs advice is not to smoke or allow anyone to smoke near your baby and they didn't do what they promised. I have always felt very strongly about this though and embarrass my DH by not making an effort to hide my coughing and spluttering when people blow smoke in my face in the street. He thinks one day someone will hit me! I got even worse when pregnant and would hold my breath while walking past smokers as I didn't want any smoke in my baby's new lungs. Now that is probably paranoid!

We had a two hour nap at 5 and now my already confused body clock is out, I keep thinking it is tomorrow.

thanks to those SFW as we tick into November. Your babies are clearly very happy where they are for now. A colleague of mine was due on Christmas Eve and has just had her baby prematurely weighing 4lb. sad We were such different sizes, it is strange to think our babies are only a fortnight apart now.

Re infacol, I think it is doing its job by making the wind come out as sick? It has done the same to Thomas but I think it makes him more comfortable. He doesn't seem to mind sicking up a little bit but doesn't like the trapped wind.

Natalieand Thu 31-Oct-13 23:02:51

bronze its not selfish id feel the same and like others hVe said don't let it spoil the fun for u go and buy your own adorable outfits too :-)

emmo were ff too and going 3-4 hours sometimes longer at night so it could be worth trying the hungry baby milk unless little one will take more thn 3oz?

Love all the Halloween outfits on fb everyone xx

Dd's 3rd birthday tommorow I'm not sure who's more excited me or her lol

Natalieand Thu 31-Oct-13 23:03:46

Oh and with regards to wind, infacol dsnt seem to help H very much but dentinox colic stuff seems to work bloody wonders and is the same price

Bugger Bugger Bugger, my dad was round last night had cuddle with Edward, he had been to hospital as they were worried about a potential artery problem in his head behind his eye, as he's been in pain with it and had been given a lot of steroids, however they couldn't find source of problem and today they have said it's most probably shingles! Have spoken to MW who says it would be really unlucky for Edward to get Chicken Pox but I'm a bit worried he's not even a week old, worth a trip to gp do u think? Although I need to take him Monday anyways to see if his testes have come down! Will also mention my awful piles blush anyone have any tips on those?!

On the sleep front I'll probably end up co sleeping but for the minute I'm trying to have him in moses basket, have found feeding him wrapped in his blanket makes the "hug and roll" manoeuvre easier as there's no change in temperature.

Shootingstarsandcomets Thu 31-Oct-13 23:10:12

emmo I wouldn't even be staying in the house! I'm paranoid about it too and I'd be very very cross. Baby B is drinking about as much as yours, it'll settle down when they're a bit bigger.......? hmm
Hope your friends baby is ok orange. 4lb is tiny. Would much rather have the uncomfortable last few weeks than a premie well done for perspective!
DH has been out and just got into bed......he smells of alcohol angry if he snores I shall be extremely angry

GTbaby Thu 31-Oct-13 23:34:42

Those of you who suffered with SPD before birth, how are you feign how?
Although I'm alot better , it's not great hmm hurts alot when I sleep on my side Which is a pain for co sleeping and feeding. Tried to do some exercises, but I only remember when it hurts, and then it's too painful to do them. Annoying really.

MrsHoratioNelson Thu 31-Oct-13 23:44:17

Oh FFS DH is really annoying me tonight. I have asked him a couple of times to help wind the baby so I can get some sleep before the night feeds - he basically makes nugget all effort and just sticks him under his mobile so baby screams to the point where he needs feeding to calm him down again. Counterproductive or what. I've just fed him again and went off to bed. Five minutes later DS is screaming and DH is shouting "just fucking shut up" at him shock and claiming to have "tried everything". For 5 minutes?! hmm

notsoold Thu 31-Oct-13 23:54:17

Emmo with dd I was told that she couldn't fit more than few ounces and told to start on hungrier babies milk. Please remember those were the guidelines (19years ago)....would be possible to ask hv???

chickieno1 Fri 01-Nov-13 01:22:14

Does your dad have a rash threeblondies? If not then less likely contagious. You could ask gp on Monday if otherwise well??

The smoking in the house is not on at all emmo. Sometimes I think older people think what's all the fuss about?? They don't tend to believe the smoking related risks. This is your last night, I guess you'll know for next trip.

mrshn that would really piss me off. Maybe he needs to be told it can take ages and not yo put him down until he hears burps or farts?? Or you could show him some of the poses on YouTube? I don't think men are very patient when it comes to things like looking after babies (I know huge generalisation). I guess we've had patience training for 9/10 months in preparation.

Ok I'll stop rambling. Hope we all get some sleep xxx

Hopefully we ll have some more babies tomorrow??

roxvox Fri 01-Nov-13 01:26:16

Does anyone know if it's possible to only have a forceful letdown issue at night? A will feed fine all day, but then after 10pm she screams and comes off the breast, letting milk fly everywhere. She then frantically roots, but refuses to go back on to that breast (it's only the left one that she has issue with). I've googled it and we seem to have all of the symptoms of forceful letdown.

I love my girl, but I am getting really fed up of the feed/scream/burp/nappy change/clothing change (due to milk spillage) routine that we have every single night between 10pm and 2am ish. I'm too tired for this!

JellyCurls Fri 01-Nov-13 02:23:07

Emmo what milk are you using and what weight was baby?

SC2 was nearly 9lb at birth and we tried using SMA but had to change to aptimel as SMA wasn't satisfying him, feeding every 2 hours.

We have this baby on Cow & Gate and he goes between 3and 4 hours

Shootingstarsandcomets Fri 01-Nov-13 02:39:12

We are on sma and feeding two hourly.......wonder if we should change. Did you do it gradually or just switch?

dontworryjustpanic Fri 01-Nov-13 04:01:10

Having an emotional meltdown here; I'm feeling so scared about going into labour, dreading the possibility of another induction by drip, feeling very clingy towards DS but feel a million miles away from DH who (bless him) is trying so hard to be supportive & understanding. Can't stop bloody crying. I'm in a right state already & I'm not even trying to cope with the baby yet - just dont know how I'm going to manage. Keep wondering whether it was a mistake to have a 2nd baby which breaks my heart. Please somebody slap me or something

pinkbuttons Fri 01-Nov-13 04:31:17

No slap from me dontworry bit sending a hug and a I think its totally normal to feel that way speech. I was a week overdue and everyday my anxiety grew for giving birth and for the thought that each day was my last with Ds. Now were nearly 3 weeks in and I have as good an relationship with DS as ever and Isla has just fit into the family not everyhig has changed. and with regards to labour I think thats very very normal but it will be fine, when are you due to be induced? there's still time for baby to decide to come. Have you told DH how your feeling?

3blondies my MIL got diagnosed shingles the day after meeting Isla, I called the dr and he said because Im breastfeeding and have already had chicken pox it would be very unlikely for her to get it. also it is the rash that is contagious and MIL didnt get that until the next day. Cant remember if you are bf but worth a call to dr if you were worried. they were very good when I called.and just told me to take her in if any concerns but weve been fine here.

Sorry DH is being an arse mrsH mine also doesnt seem to have very much patience will wind I for 5 monutes and then insist she needs feeding againhmm not helpful. but he is excellent with DS and I remember him being the same with him as a newborn, I think it all changes when they start learning things but not really much help.atm xx

Isla has been put on infant gaviscon here, bit of a nightmare getting it into her as she just gags but were giving it a go.
Hope all babys had a good first Halloween. love all the photos on fb grin

notsoold Fri 01-Nov-13 04:40:49

Dontworry...sending hugs your way!!! I second what pink said, and please remember... those feelings are natural... Xxx

Pink.... Wd a syringe help with the infant gaviscon???

MrsHoratioNelson Fri 01-Nov-13 05:16:43

Thanks pink and chickie. The problem is that DH doesn't pay any attention to how C is - he lets him get hysterical and then says I've tried everything without thinking that he won't settle and maybe that's because he wants more food. DH seems to assume that C is being deliberately difficult.

Plus, he insists that C will settle better in the basket next to me when I've gone to bed early when in fact all that happens is he keeps me awake (and is my responsibility, rather than DH's).

Mnippy Fri 01-Nov-13 05:19:06

Dontworry - thanks

MrsHN - your DP reminds me of mine. Anyway, I see your story and I RAISE you this: last night I say to DP, go to bed, you're tired, I'll do the final bf and ff feed in the living room and creep in. I finish the feed, tiptoe into bedroom, put baby (awake but calm) in bednest, get up into bed with massive sigh of relief...and find the duvet and mattress are SOAKING. DP had found my full bottle of water on his bedside table and charmingly expelled it to my side of the bed (just thrown onto the duvet) with the sports lid still popped off. Wake DP and we change everything. Mattress so wet we have to put a bed mat upside down on the wet patch to stop it soaking through to me.

And all along he acts like he's doingme the hugest effing favour and gets angry when I ask him to apologise. I know it was an accident, but in reverse circumstances I'd definitely be like 'I'm sorry my poor sleep deprived wife for creating more work for you', rather than just biting her head off for not closing her water bottle.

Mnippy Fri 01-Nov-13 05:21:16

Oh and snap there too! DP puts screaming baby into bednest beside me then effing GOeS TO SLEEP on on the other side, saying 'maybe he'll settle'.

(P.s. Sorry to those with greater issues. I know I'm being petty and rangy. But I am so so tired.)

Natalieand Fri 01-Nov-13 05:51:59

The first week after H was born dh was absolutely beyond amazing but were having simular issues here now too, yesterday I was tired and crying just about general crap and altho I will add he does one of the two night feeds when he isn't working the following day he suggested I have an early night I said oh I can't I've got to feed him at 10-11pm (bare in mind were ff) instead of saying don't worry I'll feed him he just said ok!?!? Yes I could have said 'unless ubfo the bedtime feed' but then should I really have too?

Grr men

GTbaby Fri 01-Nov-13 05:52:45

Emmo re two hour feeds. What makes your baby stop after 3oz?
Is he asleep? Is that's all that's offered?
Before switching formula I would try increase to 4oz. At 3oz if he stops burp him then try give him more. Twist the bottle while its in his mouth, for some reason this used to work with ds1. Keep him cool so not sleepy.
Used to take ages with DS but we had to get every drop into him or he would be hungry quickly. We were advised against hungry baby but to increase quantity.

Pinkush Fri 01-Nov-13 06:50:19

GT I'm 2 Weeks post delivery and spd is now nearly gone. I was a but worried in the first week as was still really painful and I think I expected it to go as soon as I'd delivered. However, this week has been a massive improvement and I think a few gentle walks have helped. Hope yours is also settling down.

Shootingstarsandcomets Fri 01-Nov-13 06:53:43

Actually emmo as well could it be a growth spurt? They have lots when they are teeny tiny. I blamed them for everything with ds1!

Racheld33 Fri 01-Nov-13 06:59:59

dontworry you are completely normal! Once I went overdue, I became a little more crazy every day. I despaired for what I was doing to our family, used to cry every evening as I was putting DS (aged 3) to bed as I was so upset about messing up his perfect life, and was so anxious about labour/induction I was a mess/insomniac. The day of my induction I could not stop crying, DH thought he had a mental patient with him...... And in the end I was only in labour for 62 minutes and now our new DD has fit in perfectly xxx just keep getting through the days xxx

emmoB13 Fri 01-Nov-13 07:16:31

Well after the smoking incident we won't be staying here at Christmas as planned!

Thanks for all the advice re formula. He was born at 8lb 1oz but is around the 11 pound mark now. I'm only offering 3oz because I tried to increase it but he just kept falling asleep and always leaving an oz. I looked into hungry baby but it advises not to start till 3months. Possibly I should be offering more and trying to get him to take it? We are on cow and gate so maybe the formulas not satisfying him? I'll try offer more for a few days, if that doesn't work I'll try changing formula. More time between feeds would be amazing!!

Re partners, we got into a routine where dp keeps baby up longer so I can sleep and then I take over for the night shift so he can sleep before work. He's on half term this week so has been helping with the night shift and last did it alone so I could sleep through for the long drive today. He has just said he'd rather work than do what I do every night!!! When he has previously threatened to be a sahd. At least he might appreciate it a bit more when I'm super tired ha. Sorry some of you are struggling with then. They are useless sometimes!!

roxvox I used to have this problem with ds when boobs were very full - he got a continuous jetstream which choked him. 2 things worked for us - if boobs were really full I would let him latch, then as soon as milk let down I would take him off and hand express about 30ml off, then put him back on. If boobs aren't mega full let him latch, and when milk let's down take him off, and just press your nipple firmly to stop the flow. Hope this helps.

roofio87 Fri 01-Nov-13 08:25:03

emmo H was born 8lb 1oz too. we were stuck on 3oz feeds for ages. but at 4 weeks he now takes 5oz every 3-4 hours. we just kept offering more. you do waste milk but better that than him draining the bottle and being hungry.

my dp is very helpful, for example did the late night feed last night so I could sleep but my god he then goes on about it!! its not worth it. and it makes me feel quite under appreciated as I always have to go on thanking him for it!! men!!

roofio87 Fri 01-Nov-13 08:33:51

also to add, that 5oz takes time, he will feed on and off for an hour. also, infacol has been great for us. we increased to 2 droppers full before feeds and now always get a good burp from him and much less trapped wind!!

xuntitledx Fri 01-Nov-13 08:35:08

Thanks for all lf your advice and hand holding yesterday

Had a good sleep last night so praying we have a good day today.

MrsHoratioNelson Fri 01-Nov-13 09:18:35

* rox* I have also tried just letting off some milk into a muslin, just enough to take the pressure off. It helps of its been a while between feeds and my boob is too full for him to latch.

chickieno1 Fri 01-Nov-13 09:19:46

flowers for dontworry. I had the same feelings even though had elcs! Once baby here we could all get on with the next phase and getting used to our new family. Feels like she was always here. Good luck with labour xx

Hope you have a good day untitled

angry on your behalf mrshn ans mnippy they really are clueless

littleducks Fri 01-Nov-13 09:30:49

I'm reading but not really posting atm. All a bit hectic here. Ds has been diagnosed with reflux. Thought I would share the symptoms as there discussion a little but back which is what prompted me to see dr.

I couldn't get gp appointment so receptionist sent me to walk in centre at hospital. Gp there was rubbish but I managed to make enough fuss I got to see a paed. She saw him fuss after a feed and vomit and said it was definitely bad reflux. He starts meds today.

He arches back away from the great when feeding, is very uncomfortable and unsettled burping lots but still not happy and then vomits (often projectile) a mixture of clear liquid with white bits in. He seemed to be in pain alot, but better when upright than lying down.

Sorry to all of you with unhelpful partners. Mine hasn't been too bad though he kissed me off majorly on wednesday when he got drunk meaning that I couldn't chance taking Eliana into bed with me. When I did go upstairs I discovered he'd taken Linah into bed with him. I spent the night on the sofa but woke him up at 6am to tell him he was taking kids to school. He was too scared to argue.

I woke up to some sad news this morning. The son of one of the friends I made in hospital died this morning. He had the same condition as Eliana and seemed to be doing so well. It's really scared me.

* Pissed me off. So annoying when your phone tries to censor your language.

So sorry to hear that MoN, what a shock and must make you think it could happen to me too but there is no reason that should be the case. Eliana seems to be doing brilliantly. thanks

DH took Thomas downstairs for a couple of hours this morning while I slept as I was up most of the night. Feel a bit better for it but sore boobs from missing a feed (he had expressed milk from the fridge) Expressed out 150ml very quickly but still they are tingling. Pump pump pump. I know that won't be able to happen once he is back to work on Monday sad

My friends baby is doing fine in special care, thanks. They don't know why she went into labour at 32 weeks. It does make me very grateful to have been able to grow Thomas to full term.

roofio87 Fri 01-Nov-13 11:17:44

aww mon sorry to hear about your friends baby. I can't even imagine how they must be feeling and I totally understand it upsetting you xx

doobeedee Fri 01-Nov-13 11:35:19

Little ducks, my DS has also been diagnosed with reflux. Doc was useless though so spent a night in hospital having tests. Got meds now which seem to be working so far.

How are you today flyer?

Shirehobbit Fri 01-Nov-13 12:19:31

Hugs MoN and all those with difficult other halves.

Thanks for all the bf/ff comments and advice, but Orange's post kind of sums it all up (no offense meant, Orange) but you can pump 150ml in minutes and after 3 weeks of pumping, I'm still only getting 10ml in half an hour sad
I have never leaked or spurted milk, either. Just produced droplets.

I've been worrying about Flyer too. Hope she's ok.

Oh no, sorry shire wasn't meaning to show off or make you feel bad, and that is unusual for me, I think because I didn't feed him and got engorged there was loads of it. Usually I massage and work at it for half an hour or so for half that. thanks

MrsHoratioNelson Fri 01-Nov-13 12:46:31

Has anyone got a bf pillow that they'd recommend? Ove been using an ordinary pillow but it slips away from me. Are the widgey/ donut shaped ones any good?

JellyCurls Fri 01-Nov-13 13:08:21

MoN so good to hear from you but sorry you had such awful news. Earlier this year three "healthy" kids with DD's condition sadly passed away and it hit me really hard especially as we were told if we make to toddler age she will be fine. But be strong and take each day as it comes and cherish every moment with all your kids.

shire some women just can't express, my friend have successfully bf all their kids but never been able to express a drop. I, on the other hand, could express very easily but have children who are rubbish at sucking.

Hope the rest of the bus is doing great and had a super Halloween x

Haylebop12 Fri 01-Nov-13 13:25:04

MrsHN I like my summer pillow, it's an s shape and means you can totally wrap it round you this supporting your back too. I'd recommend. Also comfy for watching tv etc smile think they are about £35.

Eliana had her first outpatients appointment on Wednesday and it went really well. She's not due back for another 6 weeks but this mornings news has taught me that we can never become complacent. That little boys mum posted a pic of him yesterday in his Halloween costume with a massive smile on his face yet this morning he is gone.

Dollybird86 Fri 01-Nov-13 13:28:28

Hi all sorry im a long time lurker but never really post can I ask some opinions please? May be TMI

Im 41+1 today and have been slowly losing my plug since Saturday this morning I had some with small pink streaks and have lost a little bit of blood since about 8am and been contacting about every 10 minutes but they are stopping and starting/ some lasting 40 seconds and others only lasting 15/20 im booked in for induction on sunday.

Is it worth getting my hopes up for going into labour naturally? Or could this go on for days and days without picking up? I cant have a sweep as baby's head isn't properly engaged sad

[Thanks] for everyone having a bad day and congrats to everyone with new babies to cuddle!

Dollybird86 Fri 01-Nov-13 13:29:12

I ment thanks

Hope this is it for you dolly bird smile

JellyCurls Fri 01-Nov-13 13:46:48

Fingers crossed * Dolly*

Question for the wise ladies on the bus. JellyBaby is formula fed and up until yesterday was taking 4oz every 3 hours. Yesterday he had a fussy day taking 2oz here and there and when he did take 4oz, happened twice, he projectile sicked everywhere. Never slept much either yesterday.

So today he had 4oz at 6.30am and then 3.5oz at 9.30am. I was thinking he would wake for feed at 12.30 but he's still sound and not even stirring, should I wake him?

Dollybird86 Fri 01-Nov-13 13:48:09

Thank you orange

GTbaby Fri 01-Nov-13 14:11:19

Jelly personally I would leave him to sleep. For maybe no longer then 5hours. I would then offer 4oz. Make sure u burp whenever he comes off the bottle. Babies are aloud to have off days. Growth spurts usually the cause.

GTbaby Fri 01-Nov-13 14:30:23

Sry I'm reading backwards and as commenting as I go as I often get interrupted before posting.

Shire. Not being able to pump loads for some ppl is normal. But it doesn't mean you don't have the milk for direct bf feeding. I don't squirt milk. I hardly leak. N some times I can't pump a oz, but then if I feed Lo straight after he seems to get enough milk.
What I've found helped me with pumping was pumping at the same time everyday. I have pumped for 5days after mid morning feed and have managed to build up to 3oz.

I havnt read back far enough to know what you've tried. N baby brain means I don't remember individuals circumstances. I find the following things help.
Massage before and during pumping. Circular motions, compression, running the flat side of your hand from outside of boob towards the nipple.
Warm compress/shower/ hot water bottle before pumping.
I find being distracted helps (reading MN wink) however having lo with me doesn't. But everyone's different.
If you can manage it pump as u feed. I still haven't been able to try this.

GTbaby Fri 01-Nov-13 14:40:39

Thanks pinkush. But I'm 5weeks now and feels worse. Not as bad as during pregnancy but not getting better hmm

JellyCurls Fri 01-Nov-13 14:55:25

GT I had horrid SPD with DC2 and pain took ages to settle down, eventually when he was 18 months old I went to a Physio who brutally re-aligned me and pain was gone in an instant. Not what you want to hear but until all relaxin is out your system your still going to be a little sore

claphammama Fri 01-Nov-13 15:03:09

Hi ladies! I'm back and finally have my little boy here!! I'm over the moon and on a massive high right now! don'tworry remember I was exactly like you only 3 days ago. I was losing my mind and making everyone around me miserable. I didn't sleep and was worried sick about another drip induction, exactly like you. I promise you it will all be forgotten once your baby is here but I couldn't understand you more. No slap and just a massive hug for you thanks xx

So... our little Conrad Alexander finally decided to join us on Wednesday, 30th October at 8.35pm. He waited until 41+1 weeks. My contractions started at 2am and were regular (every 4 and a half minute) and strong by 6am so we went to the hospital. Unfortunately, once in the car, they went to being only 8-10min apart and I was only 1cm dialated when examined. So they sent me for a walk and told me to come back 4 hours later. I didn't want to go home so we went for breakfast and walk on the south bank (think I might have shocked some poor tourists on a few occasions...) and I continued in the hospital's cafe and our car. I was in agony but only 3cm at 1pm and they sent me off again... the midwife examining told me that, unfortunately, giving birth after a 5 years gap is very much like giving birth for the first time as your body had too much time to go back to normal. So I was dialating as slowly as with DS1. Finally admitted at 3.30pm and I got an amazing midwife. I laboured in a bath for about 3 hours, then kneeling by the bed, and moved to the birthing pool and started on gas and air for the last 2 hours or so. I found that water helped massively... whether in the bath or birthing pool. Unfortunately, because of my big anterior placenta, everyone failed to diagnose that the baby was back to back which explains why my labour was so painful. He was also in some very awkward position as he really bruised my lower spine and some nerves down there so I can now hardly walk and need DP to help me bend or turn from side to side. It's supposed to disappear within the next few days they say... it also explains my awful loin pain in the week leading to the labour! I told the midwife about my horrible second degrees tears with DS1 and she helped me deliver Conrad nicely and slowly so I had only one small tear this time and didn't even need stitching. So a longer and more painful experience than I expected for the second birth but, at the end of the day, I got the birth I wanted and I count it as a very good experience overall. DP was absolutely amazing and helped me so much through everything.

This one was a lot bigger than DS1 at 3.620kg (7lb 15oz I believe) and 54cm long. We are obviously totally in love and not at all objective starry eyed parents grin grin [ The little one is a great feeder and spent the first two hours after birth on my boobs. Fingers crossed it continues - he is so much easier feeding wise than DS1 was! The first night was tough as he had a lot of mucus he kept throwing up so no sleep for me with 6 mucus vomits and 4 meconium poos. Last night was tough to start with as he cried constantly from 10pm to 2am and we finally ended up putting him in our bed, effectively sleeping with no pillows and no duvet to make it safe. Hope it's a one off!

Thanks for all your support in my overdue days when I was going mad and felt so depressed. You helped me so much xx

And congrats to smitten and sparkeleigh! smitten so we ended up having our boys on the same day after all smile

has anyone heard from slippysnow? She was also booked at St Thomas's but I was worried they would lock me up and take my baby away if I start going around asking all women whether they were "slippysnow"...

flyer hope you are OK...?

MoN what a scary story about your friend and her boy and what a reminder for all of us to appreciate what we have... glad Eliana is doing so well!

sorry for this mammoth post and if I'm forgetting someone... haven't caught up properly yet. Hugs for everyone and hope you and your babies are doing well. xx

MrsHoratioNelson Fri 01-Nov-13 16:06:34

Nice to hear from you Clapham. Glad it all went well on the end. This Conrad would wave but he's fast asleep on my chest smile

moonblues Fri 01-Nov-13 17:02:05

Congratulations Clapham. It's good to hear from you and I'm glad baby Conrad arrived safely. Congratulations to Smitten and Sparkleleigh too.

MoN I'm so sorry to hear about your friends baby. I hope Eliana is going from strength to strength.

Dolly I hope this is it starting for you. No great advice from me really, but some ladies on the thread seemed to find it helpful to bounce on a ball to try to kick off their contractions - might be worth a try?

Pinkforboys Fri 01-Nov-13 17:22:26

Congratulations Clapham so glad to hear that little C is finally here, though sorry you've not been left in the best state thanks

GT my pelvic/butt pain has taken around 10days to clear, and I still feel nervous putting my full weight on my hip. The hormones are still reeling around our systems so it may take a while to completely clear for you- things should definitely be back to normal by the 6 week check up, but hopefully you'll be better way before then as your body heals.

I've just checked my phone to find a sweet message from an 'Islington breastfeeding peer supporter' asking if I need any help with bf. I didn't know they existed! I wish I could send her help to those of you here in need of some help.

dontworryjustpanic Fri 01-Nov-13 17:48:00

Thank you so much ladies for your kind words & reassurance after my meltdown this morning. Sorry today has been a bit hectic & haven't managed to catch up prproperly or post. Things seem better in the light of day & have been too busy to spend much time worrying about stuff so feeling much better now. It's so good to know these kind of wobbles are normal. Off to catch up on today's posts!

xuntitledx Fri 01-Nov-13 18:56:21

Back from the Dr's - they've prescribed infant Gaviscon so hopefully this will help.

Had to laugh though as they did not know what to do with a breastfeeding mama! Had to ask 2 other Dr's and the pharmacist how this can be given when not being added to a bottle!

Readyasilleverbe Fri 01-Nov-13 19:05:43

Hi all. Congratulations Clapham. So glad Conrad decided to join you on the outside and well done on getting through a tricky labour.
Another is-this-normal qs from me: one of my nipples starts off vv sore when Cyrus feeds and stay sore albeit less sore through the whole feed. Latch is good and he's getting loads. The other one is fine. The breast itself is fine, no blotches, pain etc. is this just something that I push through and hope it toughens up? I can do it its just v unpleasant.
Can I also say I love my baby so much it makes me want to cry. He's perfect and lovely and I never knew i could feel like this. Right, just needed to say that to others who'll understand and not think I'm on the edge. I'm not at all just occasionally completely overwhelmed by my feelings. Nothing else in my usually very busy life matters right now!
In other news he had a 4 day weigh in and he's maintained his birth weight! V happy that his enthusiastic uncomfy feeding has so far paid off.
MON it sounds like Eliana is doing amazing and I'm sure that's exactly what she will continue to do.
Flyer I hope you and Alexandra are doing ok today. Love to you. Xx
To the few SFW. COME ON BABIES! Big hugs. And hugs to all of course. This is a mental time.xxx

apperleydapperley Fri 01-Nov-13 20:06:54

Ready I had exactly the same as that with one sore nipple that was pretty excruciating at first latch and then was painful throughout the feed, but from about 5 days ago (bubba is 3 weeks now) it has become totally pain-free to join the other one! So I would say as long as the latch etc are fine then push on through and hopefully it will be painless soon too xx

sorry so many babies are suffering with reflux, really hope that Thomas escapes it here, and i know colic kicks in at 3-4 weeks if its going to so waiting to see if we get through unscathed!

Just to add to the rants about DPs/DHs, mine every morning wakes up and says 'god i'm knackered, what a terrible nights sleep' despite sleeping through every feed i do at night. seriously, is he looking for sympathy? It doesn't go down well lets just say angry

Happy Friday everyone wine

Mnippy Fri 01-Nov-13 20:11:36

clapham - congrats!

ready - what app said. This happened to me. Basically it's either because the latch is bad (in which case you have to correct the latch or it goes from bad to worse) OR because the latch is fine now but the nipple may have residual damage from a previous bad latch (and it might have just happened once or twice) in which case you can power through and it should improve. I was assured it was the latter when it was actually the former. Is it possible to get an expert (not just any midwife) to actually watch baby latch on?

Smitten1981 Fri 01-Nov-13 21:09:22

I've been stuck in 2 hospitals all day as Baby Smitten is on the borderline for jaundice treatment. Got sent by the midwife visitor at 11 and still waiting for results.

I've had about 5 hours sleep since Tuesday. I do to know what to do with myself. I'm so upset as I'm having to get to know my baby in a bloody triage room.


Congrats Clapham, so glad baby Conrad finally decided to make an appearance.

GTbaby Fri 01-Nov-13 21:48:43

Pink for boys. Trouble is lo is already 5weeks old. So taking along time to sort itself out hmm

Readyasilleverbe Fri 01-Nov-13 21:59:47

Smitten big hugs. So sorry you're having a rubbish time. Big love to baby and hope you get sorted out vv soon.x
Thanks for the advice . Latch checked by various people so hope it's a matter of powering through. Will keep a close eye.x

MrsHoratioNelson Fri 01-Nov-13 22:01:33

Cluster feeding marathon here this evening - an hour and a half from four thirty and then TWO HOURS FORTY MINUTES until just now. DH "stuck at work" so I'm only just eating. Seriously fed up, not to mention starving and very sore in the nipple department sad

Majorly pissed off that DH has decided to stay to set something out, from what he says, not because he had to but because it will make his life easier next week angry. A much for the little chat we were going to have about support etc

Oh Jesus, now C is stirring for a feed again...

Will is asleep with DH she has been quite sleepy today but feeding a lot too got her weighed and she is 10lb 12.5oz now so growing well enough she has white lumps on her gums though they llok a bit like blisters but solid and its only in one spot?? anyone have any ideas its not bothering her from what i can tell but worries me.

On another note I can't believe she is 6 weeks today time flies when your an exhausted zombie, away to have a bath while i have the chance!

wine or brew to all those with feeding/health/sleep/SFW

Readyasilleverbe Fri 01-Nov-13 22:49:35

All this talk of cluster feeding is scaring me. Does it happen to all babies and what does it mean......they keep on feeding for ages at a time? Not keen on the sound of this mrshn. Poor you. X

MrsO27 Fri 01-Nov-13 22:55:56

ready I had this for the first 10 days or so. Mw said its normal, your nipples should toughen up soon! Lo also had suckling blister on his top lip too but that cleared up around same time my nipples got better.
DH currently out in car with lo to settle him; for past 3 nights he has been really fussy and inconsolable from around 8pm until around midnight. Hoping it's not the start of colic.
Hugs to all sleep deprived mummy's and those SFW.

GTbaby Fri 01-Nov-13 23:04:31

MrsO I think start on the infacol now rather then later if this is day three of being unsettled. Check for colic signs, as infacol can take a few days to make a diff.

GTbaby Fri 01-Nov-13 23:13:07

Ready cluster feeding for me is when lo has a good long feed, where usually he would go 2hours till nxt feed but instead half hour/45 he wants more. I have had this from 6-11pm feeds. But as with everything else, everyone is a lil difference.
I can't remember if this is your first, but if it is just prep before hand, have everything within reach, drink, snacks etc. n have something lined up on tv that will distract you.
Usually happens at growth spurt times, 6weeks is a major one but i forget the others.
You may also find baby is more sleepy at growth spurt times.
Nothing to be scared of...

MrsHoratioNelson Fri 01-Nov-13 23:31:53

He's basically been going non stop since 7pm. I got about 10 minutes to bolt some dinner down.

DH has only just got home and has taken him but I can't say that I think it will do anything other than delay the inevitable. Sitting here sobbing - not sure I've actually got anything left for him to eat and it really hurts. Plus I'm so tired I just want to sleep.

GTbaby Fri 01-Nov-13 23:49:15

MrsNH I used a dummy to give me a bit of a break earlier. Is it something you'd consider?

roxvox Fri 01-Nov-13 23:50:56

Thanks bowlfull and mrsH. My boobs never feel full, in fact they only feel remotely like they might have milk in them first thing in the morning, and A doesn't seem to struggle then, it's only in the evening that it becomes an issue for her. She's fussy (cluster feed style) every evening between about 9pm and 2am. This pulling off and crying with milk flying everywhere is a new addition to the evening fun!

MoN pleased to hear that Eliana is doing wel, but so sorry to hear about your friends LO, how heart breaking.

clapham thanks for sharing your story. I hope your back starts to feel better very soon.

xuntitledx pleased you've got something to help your LO feel better. Out of interest, how are they having you administer it then?

ready A is 4 weeks today and I have the exact same issue; 1 boob is painful to feed from. It's not excruciating, but it's almost like it's a bit tight and it tugs as she feeds, and A's tongue seems rougher on it too. Fingers crossed it will sort itself out! I also am feeling the overwhelming love. I almost feel guilty to say, but have to admit that it's been gradual though, not a sudden rush of love like people often get (I loved her right away, but not to the same extent I do now. I think that was down to the circumstances of my labour though).

smitten I hope you've been seen to now and that baby smitten is ok thanks

GT a) I know your LO is 5 weeks old, whereas my A is only 4 weeks and b) I never had PGP, but I am still feeling very heavy and uncomfortable down around my lady bits at times, so I suppose that if that takes a while to repair then the effects of your PGP might take just as long/longer. thanks though, I hope you feel better soon.

MrsH thanks

MrsO weirdly enough I have just been googling colic symptoms. The past few nights A has been crying a lot, and normally I change her nappy/pop a boob in her wailing mouth and all is fine again, but she seems quite inconsolable. It's heartbreaking and tiring all at once.

ready just try to be mentally prepared for random days where hours go by and all your doing is feeding. Or, if your baby is anything like mine, be prepared for it every single evening...

I'm really starting to lose my mojo. EVERY SINGLE NIGHT Ailla cluster feeds. She feeds, cries, feeds, nappy change, cries, feeds etc etc. and now matter how often I trim/file her nails, they still seem to be like little razor blades as she puts a tight grip on my nipple during her random crying spurts. I love her to bits, but fucking hell this is tiring (for both of us).

MrsH I just read your post before posting this mammoth message, and I feel your pain! It's exhausting isn't it?

MrsHN hopefully he will settle with ur DH, he won't smell of milk!

MrsO27 Sat 02-Nov-13 00:26:18

Thanks, infacol ready for next feed! Still fussing now, it is so very very tiring! Dh asleep....

MrsO27 Sat 02-Nov-13 00:28:46

Roxvox, your lo sounds just like mine - ditto on the nails! He gets quite aggressive at times, like he's fighting with my boobs!

Flyer747 Sat 02-Nov-13 00:58:13

Hi All

Sorry for the lack of post I find it a bit hard to keep up with the board these days.

Congrats Clapham and well done for doing all those hours on G&A alone then you got your much wanted water birth smile

Mon glad to hear Eliana is doing well. However very sad news about the other baby hmm

I also have one sore nipple...ouch it bloody kills.

My mum has been staying all week, I've loved having the extra help, first grandchild and she cannot get enough of her, she happily just nurses her when she's grizzly...she's gone back home this evening but is returning next week for a few more nights. It's great we've been shopping and I was able to go and have my hair done today smile feel a bit more human now.

So Alexandra is slowly gaining a little weight, though we are still being very closely monitored every 48-72 hours. The feeding is getting better, small steps in the right direction she is starting to learn finally. It is far from perfect though.

And one big positive about breast feeding is I've dropped 2 stone already grin still another 1 and 1/2 to go but I'm quite chuffed!

Love to all those SFW although I guess they are only a very few now, I do hope the final arrivals come very soon. thanks

And 2 weeks post c section I'm back driving I couldn't hack not having the freedom of getting in my car and just popping out even to the supermarket. Again another step towards feeling a bit like my old self again smile

claphammama Sat 02-Nov-13 00:58:24

thanks everyone! I'm now joining you for the inevitable sore nipple / cluster feeding / extreme sleep deprivation chapter!

smitten poor you... I really feel for you - you gave birth only two days ago and now stuck in hospitals... you must be so exhausted. What did they decide about your LO at the end? Hope both of you are OK. Thinking of you thanks

ready I second what everyone says - I've just done two days and my nipples are already very sore. And I know it will only get worse over the next few days... it's perfectly normal and the fact that you feel most pain at the beginning but it gets better as you feed is a sign that the latch is OK. The pain would be getting worse otherwise. Not pleasant but we will get through it smile

Sending hugs to everyone exhausted by cluster feeding... DS1 was a terrible cluster feeder and I can already see that this one will be similar. Evening are already tough and he wants boobs for hours... However, I think a lot of times they want the boob for comfort, not for feeding. I know it's controversial for some but as gt suggests dummies can save your sanity at some point... I tried to resist giving it to DS1 for as long as I could as I know it can interfere with BFing if given to early. I finally gave in when he was 3 and a half weeks and it changed my life... and BFing was well established by then. I'm planning to hold off for a month with this one as well but I have a feeling he will get them too eventually.

sorry to hear about unhelpful partners... mine has been amazing so far but we are only on day two. these things are really tested over time...

gt sorry your recovery seems to be so slow. must be so hard with two little ones

I have a feeling that I'm forgetting lots... hope everyone has a good night xxx

claphammama Sat 02-Nov-13 01:02:25

crosspost - glad you are feeling better flyer and Alexandra is learning to feed! fingers crossed the worst is over now. And your mum sounds so lovely

xuntitledx Sat 02-Nov-13 01:58:54

rox - they've given me a syringe to drip feed midway through feeding.

We've given two doses tonight and it seems to be doing the trick although skipping for the night feed as too much faffing at 2am making it up and giving it to him. Hopefully the earlier doses should still do the trick but lesson learned if not!

mrsh - cluster feeding is the worst so I'm feeling your pain!

clapham - yay!! So pleased for you!

Glad you are starting to feel more positive and that A is gaining weight flyer. smile

GT sorry you are still in pain. My pgp hasn't completely gone but did immediately improve after having Thomas. Maybe ask for a physio referral if still bad at 6 week check?

GTbaby Sat 02-Nov-13 03:37:46

Rox that nipple pain/tugging sensation is exactly what I have on one side. sad

Tulip2013 Sat 02-Nov-13 03:43:46

Hi ladies. I'm new to this post as don't seem to have had time since little one was born on 19th oct but sitting here in the dark feeding with sore nipples after a long night of endless cluster feeding I'm so glad to hear it's not just me!

I'm really looking forward to DD's first smile. I know it's a few weeks away yet but right now she looks upset most of the evening and night so it would be lovely to have some reassurance she doesn't think DP and I are the most awful people in the world!

Waves to tulip. I am sure I read that newborns can physically only stay awake for 90 minutes at a time... Our babies don't seem to have heard that! Really looking forward to the first non-windy smile too. smile

MrsHoratioNelson Sat 02-Nov-13 04:43:24

Orange this one managed to stay awake for hours last night, so he didn't get that memo either!

GT I don't mind a dummy but he's only 2.5 weeks and also I don't think he's feeding for comfort really, so I'm not sure it would help?

xuntitledx Sat 02-Nov-13 04:50:26

My LO won't take a dummy! We've tried to give him one after a few sleepless nights but he spits it out like its poison!

rubytwosday Sat 02-Nov-13 06:45:57

A has woken and demanded feeding every hour/ 90 minutes since 11pm. I am hoping it is the 6 wk growth spurt ( a few days early) and that in a couple of days she will be over it!
*MrsHN, maybe C is having the 3 wk growth spurt?
Congratulations Clapham and glad Eliana is doing so well MoN.

MrsHoratioNelson Sat 02-Nov-13 08:28:19

Ruby I think he must be. Feeding slightly calmer overnight and this morning. DH took him for a bit when he got home and then when I fed C at 1 he fed quickly and then went straight down. I wonder also if I was getting confused with wind because DH said he was quite windy when he had him. But then he was happy to go back on the breast and he will normally refuse if he's about to fart or poo and wait til he's finished that before eating.

Sephy Sat 02-Nov-13 09:22:27

I wonder what the weird tugging feeling is.

I don't have that, but have one nipple that's a bit misshapen. Half of it will get erect fine, but half stays pretty flat. She struggles to latch on to it, so rarely feeds well from that side. Not sure if I should use a nipple shield or something to make it easier for her.

throckenholt Sat 02-Nov-13 09:55:58


it may be that you can't express easily - but as others have said sometimes the baby can get it out more easily.

A few things I have done (it was a long time ago now but still remember the exhaustion and emotional turmoil):
1. fenugreek - stimulates milk production (also all other sweat glands so you can get a bit whiffy !)
2. expressing one breast while feeding on the other - stimulates let down (but you need to have six hands or lots of pillows !).
3. massage breasts while expressing.
4. alternating breasts when expressing - if I remember rightly it was about 20 mins total. Something like 1 min on each side, then 2 mins on each side, then 3 mins on each side, then 4 mins on each side. Don't try for long than that but do it again in say 2 hours times - sort of mimics what babies do.
5. expressing start with short shallow pumps repeated reasonably quickly, once the milk starts to flow do slower, deeper pumps - again mimics what the baby does.

And if it is all too much - give up and formula feed - it may not be what you wanted but there is so much more to being a mum than successfully breastfeeding.

FWIW - I had one 38 weeker who took a month to get breastfeeding, and fed until 12 months, and 35 week twins who never did feed directly (lack of time to persevere with toddler too), but expressed for 9 months (with a little bit of formula top ups).

Sephy both my nipples are almost completely flat. We have tried shields but neither Thomas or I got on very well with them. Pumping helps bring them out, as does wearing a nipple shell (stops them being squashed by my bra I think), or he can feed on them when they are flat if I shape my boob and shove his face on so he builds suction around the whole area. They are gradually standing out more and more as they get used to being used. It has caused us problems, especially combined with other feeding issues, but it is very possible.

ImpOfDarkness Sat 02-Nov-13 11:02:25

I seem to have an entirely nocturnal baby. Sleeps all day and parties all night. DP is also nocturnal, but unfortunately he doesn't have boobs. I must start expressing to build up a stock for night feeds.

Smitten1981 Sat 02-Nov-13 11:15:08

Clapham - we were in hospital for 12 hours yesterday. They let us home around midnight after we'd sat in a boiling hot ward with really ill children with infectious illnesses in there. I was petrified he might catch something.

We were meant to go back today at 10 for another test, but they said unless his levels had shot up overnight he would be well under the limit for treatment today as the line increases steeply every day. So I told DH we're not going as I'm not sitting on a ward for nothing again all day.
I've called a midwife who is going to arrange a retest when my milk has come in and he can flush his system better.

Anyway, I can join you all with boob issues, I was up all night trying to feed him but I haven't had any milk come in yet so he wasn't getting anything and was obviously starving. Come 8am he was hysterical and so was I. I've ruined my boobs trying to feed him all night so they are killing me. Mum just came over with formula for him but he wasn't interested.

Obviously the second help arrived he was good as gold and has been asleep since. Making the most of it while I can.

char1eston Sat 02-Nov-13 13:16:42

roxvox just read that you are feeling 'heavy' down below. Thought I'd post as I've got a similar sensation and think May have a prolapse. Got my 6 week check next Monday and am going to ask the gp about it. It's not a full on one but there's definitely something not right. Am getting the hab-it DVD to see if the excercises help.

roofio87 Sat 02-Nov-13 14:07:24

mil has just told me that dp's cousin has had chicken pox this week. we spent all day sunday with him!! H doesn't have any signs of it so I won't worry for now, am more annoyed that dp's aunt didn't think to tell us after seeing us!!

char1eston Sat 02-Nov-13 15:04:48

thethreeblondies - re piles. I was prescribed anusol HC and lactulose and they are much better. Was incredibly sore to sit down before and now they've shrunk right down and I have no pain. It's different to the over the counter stuff. I think HC stands for hydrachortisone? Sp!
Might be worth a try?

char1eston Sat 02-Nov-13 15:06:24

redlips have you been added to FB yet? I can help if not

I have thanks, Bronze figured it out for me smile
Loving all the baby pictures!

Woop woop we have been discharged from the midwife! Thomas went from 7lb 1 down to 6lb 3 and now up to 7lb 14. So pleased with my chubby little man. The midwife was very grumpy so I was quite pleased that Thomas weed rather spectacularly all over her floor. grin

Now we are going to try to reduce the expressed bottles and breastfeed directly we can't just play at breastfeeding for a few minutes, serious feeding time begins now. Boobs at the ready!

How are you feeling today smitten? I hope a rest helped a little bit and you were able to stay home.

Smitten1981 Sat 02-Nov-13 17:20:59

I'm feeling exhausted Orange, but glad not to be in hospital again.

I had a lovely midwife come round and showed me how to feed properly as I was doing it all wrong and Baby Smitten really wasn't getting anything. Much better now though although he's making up for lost time and wants feeding constantly. Argh.

Why is something that's supposed to be so simple so hard?

Glad you got some useful support smitten and have been able to get to know each other at home.

I know, I don't understand how humans have survived as a species when feeding seems to be so hard for so many of us.

ananikifo Sat 02-Nov-13 18:44:46

About piles: the mw this week got me a prescription for scheriproct and I wish I'd asked for it earlier. It's made a difference in one day. It contains prednisolone so I doubt it's available over the counter. For anyone with piles I definitely think it's worth talking to the GP.

ImpOfDarkness Sat 02-Nov-13 19:47:11

I hear you orange. I was thinking earlier that cuteness must be an evolutionary trait developed to stop people just giving up and not bothering.

Readyasilleverbe Sat 02-Nov-13 19:51:33

Evening all. Hope everyone's had an okay day. Thanks for all the education re cluster feeding...I shall be prepared for that now. I have a new query this evening for all those with experience(yes gt this is my 1st!). I am having an internal battle with how strict I should be with making sure Cyrus does most of his sleeping during day in basket or pram rather than on a person. He sleeps well in basket at night between feeds but often there's so many visitors that I don't end up getting him down by himself much during the day. I'm worried about making him clingy and difficult about sleeping. He's such a good baby, I do worry I'll change this if I don't get the balance right. Do you think it's too early to do lasting damage re sleeping habits? I'm so sorry , I know this is so minor compared to the challenges that some of you are facing but some times the responsibility of getting it right for him is slightly overwhelming. Xxx

ananikifo Sat 02-Nov-13 19:52:38

I think it's a problem that we are led to think bf will be simple when we have almost no experience or knowledge if it beforehand. My mom bf her three babies but when my parents heard my milk had come in and I had established bf they were overjoyed, because they know how hard it can be. Why hadn't they told me how hard it can be?

Ready, this is my first baby too so I don't know really, but we are holding Thomas almost all the time in the day, occasional time in his bouncy chair while we eat, Moses basket in bedroom only at night when we are there, that's what feels right for us. I don't feel we are spoiling him. I think some parenting guides recommend not letting them fall asleep feeding and putting them to sleep in their beds in the day - my best friend attempted that - but I don't want to. I think others say if they spend lots of time with you they build secure attachments they will be more confident and independent do less fussy sleepers... I haven't read any of the books myself yet and am making it up as I go along doing what feels right for us. I don't believe you can ruin a child by letting a visitor hold them while sleeping though, they are hardly awake for long, no visitor would ever see them!

Smitten1981 Sat 02-Nov-13 20:29:52

I just topped up Baby Smitten's breast feed with formula milk. I can't believe the difference. He's having a nap now and not screaming uncontrollably and rooting desperately around at everything.

Felt a bit sad that I couldn't give him that, but it's amazing to have free hands and a quiet baby.

The midwife said it's fine to top up as long as you put him on your boob first otherwise you might have supply issues.

Also, piles. Mine feel terrible, in my notes they say 'mild'. I'm Shocked by them, I've never had them before they're ick-ing me out. Bleurgh.

Flyer747 Sat 02-Nov-13 20:39:46

Ready whilst I was in hospital (6 days) so lots of time on my hands I read loads of literature that was around in the hospital. They had a big thing about skin to skin contact with babies in the first 8 weeks of their life, it said that lots of skin to skin contact is the main thing that develops their brains so I think you can't spoil a child this early on.

roxvox Sat 02-Nov-13 21:21:30

ready I have read/heard from various sources that you cannot spoil a baby this young. And like other people have said, it's actually meant to be beneficial to them to keep them close during these early weeks.

JellyCurls Sat 02-Nov-13 21:27:01

Tonight JellyBaby was lying on the floor having a wee kick after the