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June 2014 Bus for those with RMC issues

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Hello everyone, welcome to our new hopeful but slightly paranoid bus!

NorahVanstone edd 6th June, 4 previous MC

lucyfluff Fri 04-Oct-13 10:36:59

Thanks Norah! Appreciate you setting up and totally understand the need for it! I've never had a MC before or bleeding this early so maybe someone could share any advice or info with me?

Bleeding has got heavier and cramps now sad

TinyTear Fri 04-Oct-13 10:39:41


5+5 today

Previous mc in 2010 at 10, 6 and 8 weeks

Tests at St Mary's recurrent miscarriage clinic that came back normal.

One 20 month daughter born Jan 12

9 months TTC this time with a chemical in March

Oh no, Lucy.
What are your dates today? (how far along)

Hi Tiny Tear, welcome to our shiny new bus. Gosh you've had a shit time of it, haven't you? Your DD must be a great comfort.

TinyTear Fri 04-Oct-13 10:47:35

Yes. She keeps me going in the uncertain times now. Not to mention I just turned 40 so time is not on my side

lucyfluff Fri 04-Oct-13 11:32:39

I'm only 4+4 today so very early....x

TinyTear Fri 04-Oct-13 11:38:16

4+4 could be a chemical. :-(
I had that in march, BFP on Monday, heavy period like bleeding with clots on Thursday

So sorry but this early it's a waiting game. Only after 6w do they scan

Hi Lucy,

Generally they say bleeding plus no cramps not worrying,
bleeding plus cramps can be a little more worrying as a symptom.

Have you got a pregnancy test handy?
I'd be tempted to use it, if you get a BFP then go to the nearest EPU (emergency pregnancy unit, most hospitals have one, you can google) and ask if they can do 48 hour bloods for you.

4+4 is too early to see anything on a scan, so they way they can check is to take your blood, measure the amount of HCG and then take it again in 48 hours time. In a successful pregnancy it should double every 48 hours, if it doesn't rise much, it indicates things aren't good. It is a way of being sure what is going on.

The other option is to wait and see i.e. see if the bleeding continues to get heavier, test every morning to see if you are still getting positive tests etc but I have found this does lead to quite a long wait sometimes, so I'd prefer to know with a test if possible. Some people would rather wait it out than have to go to the EPU, it is a personal thing.

If it is a successful PG, then the bleeding and cramping should stop. If it is an early MC then it won't. When I've had one at under 5 weeks, I have found it like a heavy period, unpleasant, but not too bad physically to cope with, just very distressing emotionally.

I'm going out now but will check in later to see how you are doing. x

lucyfluff Fri 04-Oct-13 12:15:06

Thankyou for your advice Tiny and Norah...I have a feeling it's a chemical pregnancy as cramps feel like AF and quite a bit of blood. No clots yet but that may happen over the next few days. I will wait it out, strong believer in fate and so if it wasn't meant to be it was for a reason (despite being gutted).

Hubbie is staying positive bless him, I have told him not to get his hopes up though.


ThreeFromDesire Fri 04-Oct-13 13:45:32

I'm going to join this bus too.

This is my third pg this year, with a 4+4 mc in August and a 5+2 mc in March. I am testing everyday, sometimes always more than once. The lines are darker this time from the very start and I got a positive earlier (at 9dpo) too so I'm feeling very 'third time luckyish' about it all but obviously still a worry.

I didn't feel right saying any of this on the other thread so pleased to be on here.

Hope you've made appointments for bloods already Lucy?

PJen Fri 04-Oct-13 14:52:13

Hello ladies, I do belong here.
Trying for #2 for 3 years. I have had 3 miscarriages. Did the Recurrent Miscarriage testing and have APA (Antiphospholipid Antipbody) and also some genetic issues causing blood clotting. I am on clexane. I am also a bit older than average mothers. I am 40 years old so it may be just my age. I have had two beta blood tests on September 24th and 26th. Due to my history and some cramping, I am having an early ultrasound next week. I am hopeful but very scared.

lucyfluff Fri 04-Oct-13 14:52:55

Hiya three, sorry to hear about your previous mc's. I hope this one is your lucky one.

Im not going to book blood tests, going to do the wait and see approach, bleeding all day, not too heavy but have changed my pad once already.

Do you mind me asking how your mc at 4+4 was? did you have any obvious clots?

TinyTear Fri 04-Oct-13 15:13:40

Hi PJen, I am 40 as well and trying for number 2, although my mcs were before number 1...

CarrotCakeMuffins Fri 04-Oct-13 17:35:06

Hello all

Lucy - fingers crossed for you! No more suggestions than those already made I'm afraid. Maybe try to see your GP on Monday depending on what happens in the meantime.

I am now 4+4 (I think), after 3 mc. My current attitude is I have had a positive test, and am not thinking / projecting beyond that.

I saw my GP yesterday, which was a bit confusing as he wasn't quite sure where to refer me. I had full RMC testing previously with no obvious reasons found but have been recommended a cocktail of medications from various different specialists.

So I am going back to the GP in 2 weeks, by which time he should know what to do with me! I will then push for an early scan if he's not already sorted one, as this was previously recommended for me also (and if it's not good news I'd rather know sooner rather than later).

I am not keen to see the midwife before I have had a scan, as spending an hour going through previous preg & mc only to add to the list a few weeks later is upsetting & a waste of everyone's time.

In the meantime, I am on low dose aspirin, progesterone suppositories (lovely) and now Fragmin which I have to self inject (also lovely) All of which may or may not make any difference....

Only once I have had a scan will I allow myself to think about it being real (or deal with another mc). Let's hope for good news this time.

Hi everyone,

Carrot I know what you mean about not doing the booking in yet...I'm going to self refer at about 10 weeks as I just can't face it until I'm confident things are progressing.

I had a slightly baffling time this afternoon, went to the gp's to pick up my clexane prescription, and also a new sharps bin as handed my old one in on Wed as was full.

Went on to the chemist & got given Clexane in the massive syringes (so each one is about as thick as a carrot) and a tiny, tiny sharps bucket the size of a pencil case whose opening was so small not a single syringe would go through.

I just stood there with them in each hand looking at them.

I asked the chemist if I could have a bigger bin or the smaller syringes but apparently neither were possible confused

TinyTear Fri 04-Oct-13 19:17:50

how odd!!

i think i still have a sharps bin as i had a week of clexane (i think it was) after my c-section) i must have tidied it away as they gave me two and i only used one...

i will be 6 w on sunday, that will be past mc number 2... then just the 8w and 10w dates to go past...

Morning lovely ladies,

How are you today Lucy?

I have sore boobs which I am finding comforting this morning but I also have a lot of <ahem> moisture downstairs which is freaking me out...I keep thinking I'm bleeding when I'm not. I keep having to stop myself dashing to the loo to check.

I am 5+0 today, so one week gone by, anyway.

lucyfluff Sat 05-Oct-13 09:48:40

Hi Norah, Im ok thankyou...bleeding is pretty heavy nearly as much as AF and cramps yesterday. Oddly still feeling a bit sicky but that may be because Im feeling a bit crappy...DH keeps saying be positive until we test again but I told him last night not to get his hopes up.

Anyway Im going to try and have a good day as its my birthday today so keeping my mind off it and has some lovely pressies from my boys so I know Im lucky grin grin

tannyLoo72 Sat 05-Oct-13 10:08:26

Is it ok to join this thread too? I'm 4+3, 41 and had 2 MCs in the last year, one of them at 5+6 and a MMC picked up at 11+4, but scan suggested it stopped at about 6wks. Ended up in hospital with haemorrhage, which was nasty...
This time I feel really sick and bloated, which is good, but the lines on test strips remains fainter than I would like. Trying to relax, but it's lovely to find people who understand

HAPPY BIRTHDAY LUCY cake brew wine thanks
I hope you have a lovely day.

Welcome Tanny. Yep unfortunately we do understand smile
Feel free to say anything you like here.

TinyTear Sat 05-Oct-13 10:19:37


Norah, the moisture is normal... I am also always running to check. This week was quite bad.

Welcome Tanny.

Lucy, hope you get good news when you test again

tannyLoo72 Sat 05-Oct-13 10:38:41

Norah and Tiny, thank you x

PJen Sat 05-Oct-13 12:23:10

Happy birthday Lucy!!!

Tiny and Tanny glad to see I am not the only one on the wrong side of 39!! smile

Norah, I have the weird moisture too, although I am on progesterone pessaries so I thought they are causing it.

I hate Clexane, why are the needles so dull? I can't get the needle to go in. Any tips??

DH is getting transferred to Amsterdam. I am freaking out as I had horrible 48 hour labour ending with emergency c-section and want elective c-section this time and I know Dutch are against c-section. :S

TinyTear Sun 06-Oct-13 07:36:30

PJen another similarity. Had emcs after induction with my first and want a elcs

LondonSuperTrooper Sun 06-Oct-13 07:46:06

Hello ladies,

May I join you please? I've only had one miscarriage and am not sure whether I qualify here...... But I think I'm going to have another miscarriage sad

Lucy, I hope that you had a fab birthday yesterday. How are you feeling now?

lucyfluff Sun 06-Oct-13 08:36:50

Hi London, I read your post on the other thread and wasn't sure to comment in there, how are you feeling? Are they checking hcg again? I'm so sorry it's such a horrible thing to go through.

I'm feeling a bit better today, had a lovely bday night out last night to take my mind off things. My bleeding has stopped which I didn't expect. Do you know if it's normal to have one day heavy and then stop? I posted in cm but no one replied as yet.

lucyfluff Sun 06-Oct-13 08:37:28


LondonSuperTrooper Sun 06-Oct-13 10:53:50

Hi Lucy, no they will not check my HCG levels again. They are giving me a scan on 18 October so I'm keeping my fingers crossed until then..... I'll be a nervous wreck by then.

Not really sure what to make of your bleeding. When I miscarried the bleeding was v heavy and it carried on for 6 days or so. Did you have any clots?

It's great that you had a good birthday to take your mind off this. Are you intending to go back to your midwife? Would you accept a scan if they offered it to you?

lucyfluff Sun 06-Oct-13 11:39:38

Ahhhhhhh ok, so you have a little wait until then. I hope it's good news for you. Try not to worry about it and it may be due due different dates? Easier said than done I know but il keep fingers crossed for you smile

My bleeding was heavy Friday almost like AF with cramps, I had one teeny clot which may have been it? It was very small tho? Do you mind me asking how many weeks you were when you had a mc?

I'm just waiting until Friday to retest with digi and then ring gp. He said if it was still positive he would scan me. Well at 6 weeks which I should be about 5+4 then (if it's still there?)

Penguinita Sun 06-Oct-13 11:43:38

Hi girls, can I join you? I've been lurking on the June bus thread but too scared to join in case it jinxes things. So thank you so much for setting this thread up!

I'm 6+1 today, following an MC at 10 weeks in May. All seemed fine until then, although I never had very strong symptoms. Feeling nauseous this time round which I am seeing as a good sign, but not taking anything for granted. I got a 3+ on a clear blue digi on Thursday.

I've had my first midwife appointment already too! And booking in is next Friday. I seem to have fallen pg in a quiet patch so there is no long wait for appointments. She couldn't book me an early reassurance scan but told me to call EPU directly if any cramps or bleeding. So I will try and hold out as long as possible before I crack smile

lucy I have everything crossed for you. It is such a scary time flowers

TinyTear Sun 06-Oct-13 12:08:43

Hi, as i think i said somewhere, one of my friends who is 38 weeks had a couple of days of really heavy bleed and it seems it was twins but she lost one, but one is thriving and healthy...

LondonSuperTrooper Sun 06-Oct-13 12:17:09

Lucy, I had a scan at 6.5 weeks after a light bleed. They saw a sac but no embryo. I was told to go home and wait for nature to take its course. The miscarriage itself started at 8 weeks and it was v painful with lots of cramps & clotting.

Welcome Penguinita.

Tiny, that's reassuring to know.

lucyfluff Sun 06-Oct-13 12:33:33

Hi penguinita and thankyou smile good luck with your little bean.

That is reassuring Tiny thankyou, it's just so hard to know how much bleeding is too much.

...and London thankyou, it helps to speak to people who have been through it, obviously not a nice thing, but just trying to understand it helps talking on here.

I guess only five days and we will know for sure so will let you know. Xx

IBelieveInEngels Sun 06-Oct-13 12:47:32

Just popping over from the other June bus to say hi.

Good luck in Amsterdam PJ . I live in the Netherlands so if there's anything you want to know about ante-natal/pregnancy here then feel free to ask/pm me.

I don't know that much about views on elective cs here, so would ask mw as soon as you're here and registered. Lots of people have home births here but we went to a birthing centre based at a hospital instead. My ante and post natal care was great. Lovely mws and great kraamzorg for the week after birth (a lovely lady who came in and helped me with DS, breastfeeding, washing, washing-up, bring me lunch etc). Mostly paid for by our health insurance (we had to pay a small supplement but it wasn't much).

lucy keeping everything crossed for you.

I haven't joined the rmc bus (had one mc when trying for DC1) but will pop in from time to time to say hello I can barely keep up with one thread let alone two

Good luck everyone - here's to sticky beans wine (non-alcoholic of course)

tannyLoo72 Sun 06-Oct-13 15:18:13

Hey Lucy, I've been following your progress. Sorry you've been having such a difficult few days.

Your bleeding seems light, and I guess until you know for sure what's happening, you will convince yourself everything is fine or it's the end of the world depending on how much sleep, food, etc... (that might just be me! )

Both my MC were bloody, but one stopped and started over a fortnight, then I haemorrhaged and ended up in A & E. The other one was more straight forward, and started as a regular AF then got heavier and more clotty.

Both had big cramps when they actually happened, but then the pain eased off.

I hope you get some resolution soon, and it sounds like some family love is really helping.

I'm trying to stay hopeful, but also realistic that my chances are not as good as when I was 26!

On the DTD issue (took me a while to work that one out! ) both my MC bleeds started right after some vigorous action (TMI) so although I know it didn't cause it, I'm going to be a bit cautious until 6 weeks...

In the meantime, sickness, dizziness and tiredness are cooling any passion!

tannyLoo72 Sun 06-Oct-13 15:47:26

And now I realise that the DTD conversation was over on the June thread. Doh!

Penguinita Mon 07-Oct-13 18:38:06

Hi, how is everyone today? Has the bleeding stayed away lucy?

I've felt less sick today and my boobs don't hurt so much, which is a bit worrying. I can see I'm going to drive myself crazy with symptom spotting over the next few weeks... What symptoms has everyone else got?

lucyfluff Mon 07-Oct-13 18:49:01

Hiya! Well it had stopped this morning, and over the day its kind of like spotting, just had a pantyliner in. No pain etc. Still getting preg symptoms, very bloated, tired and waves of nausea but then again I could just be wishing it on me! Going to tesco tmrw to buy a digi for friday grin

Dont worry about the symptoms too much its such early days grin

LondonSuperTrooper Mon 07-Oct-13 20:35:40

Hi Pen, I don't have any pregnancy symptoms at all. With my DS I had very tender boobs right from the outset. I'm 5+1 and hoping that the beanie is OK. I'm having a scan but not for another 12 blooming days.

Lucy, yay! I'm so pleased that your bleeding has stopped and all if your preg. signs are encouraging. I've got a CB conception indicater and I'm too scared to use it. Is that what you are buying tomorrow?

PJen Tue 08-Oct-13 01:46:15

Thank you for reaching out Ibelieveinengels!! I will bother you with questions. It's exciting but I am a bit freaking out as we are so settled here and so ready for this DC2 but have to pack and move, which is against my maternal I stingy now :S

How is everyone else? London? Lucy? Hopefully all bleedings have stopped and everyone is fine?

PJen Tue 08-Oct-13 01:47:37

Good luck London and Lucy with testing!!! I am anxiously waiting and praying for you!!!

PJen Tue 08-Oct-13 01:49:24

Oh phone changed "instinct" to "I stingy"!?!?

TinyTear Tue 08-Oct-13 06:47:42

Symptoms are dry mouth and feel so tired. Nothing else. Need to call the GP today to ask for an early scan as I don't think I can wait until mid November

With my daughter as I was under the RMC at St Mary's I was scanned at 6, 8 and 10 weeks

lucyfluff Tue 08-Oct-13 06:55:35

Yes going to get the indicator one London. Expensive but at least it will be accurate.

Penguinita Tue 08-Oct-13 07:52:44

Just to warn you that clearblue digitals are over 99% accurate on the pregnant/not pregnant indicator, but only 92% accurate on the timing. So they get it wrong nearly one time in ten, so don't rely on that too much! And perhaps buy a twin pack (cheaper than two singles when you panic and need another one!)

Mine said 2-3 at both 4+1 and 5+1 but 3+ at 5+5.

TinyTear Tue 08-Oct-13 08:30:26

as the CB digital went blank I decided to open mine up today, it had a battery, a mini chip and the two strips with strong lines, quite interesting, I think it just scans the lines and then passes it on to the display

Penguinita Tue 08-Oct-13 18:31:20

That's interesting tiny. Wish I hadn't chucked mine in the bin now!

TinyTear Thu 10-Oct-13 10:43:20

so are we all here getting early scans?
I will get one at 8 weeks and I am shitting myself... need to call to book it but i am so scared...

LondonSuperTrooper Thu 10-Oct-13 11:06:48

Tiny, I'm having an early scan next Friday - 8 more sleeps! I'm also very apprehensive but I need to get it done as I'm approaching the time when I was my pregnancy wasn't viable last time round.

BTW, are there any older mums on this thread? I'm 39 but will be 40 in November and have started thinking about antenatal screening. How about everyone else?

I'm seroiusly considering having the Harmony test done but need to keep it secret from DH as he just wouldn't approve hmm

TinyTear Thu 10-Oct-13 11:10:50

London I turned 40 in August! good ol'73 vintage

I talked to my husband and we will do the NT scan + bloods and then if the risk is high we will fork out for the Harmony test so we can avoid invasive testing unless the Harmony comes up with the 1 in 5 risk...

My scan will be wither on the same day as you or on the monday 21st, as I want to have it before my booking appointment - as if it's bad news from the scan i don't want to go through the booking in rigmarole

LondonSuperTrooper Thu 10-Oct-13 11:22:28

Tiny I thought that the Harmony had to be done at 10 weeks? With a scan at a later date?

I guess it makes sense to delay your booking in with the midwife until after your scan. My GP refuses to refer me to the MW until I have the all-clear from the scan. On the one hand I'm comforted that I will a scan, on the other I'm slightly cross that he's not taking this pregnancy seriously angry

TinyTear Thu 10-Oct-13 11:28:36

No, it can be done at any time, I think...

A friend of mine had it done at the Fetal Medicine Centre (I think) where they had an offer on that if you did it at 10 weeks they would through it in for free and you only paid for the NT scan and she was lucky to get that offer. It's over now so the cost would be the full amount...

Nothing here about weeks: www.fetalmedicine.com/fmc/treatment-fees/

LondonSuperTrooper Thu 10-Oct-13 11:36:22

Great, thanks for the link. I'm looking at having it done at the FMC as well smile

And yes to good old 1973.... Strangely enough I font celebrate birthdays as it's unimportant to me. It's only when TTC and now that it's so relevant!

My little sister had a lovely baby boy yesterday and she's almost 39. But she had really good results for her nuchal scan and bloods.

TinyTear Thu 10-Oct-13 11:41:46

I had my daughter when I was 38 and my nuchal and bloods were good 1 in 3000 risk or something...

My friend (due her 4th in April, I think) had had lots of scans done there at the FMC. She likes the reassurance as she has had quite high risk pregnancies

And Congratulations Auntie! hope you will be giving him a lovely cousin next June

LondonSuperTrooper Thu 10-Oct-13 11:48:04

Thank you smile

tannyLoo72 Thu 10-Oct-13 12:50:25

I'm 41, and will be 42 in May! I like to think I'm a fit 41 though, don't drink or smoke and until the MCs, had never had anything go wrong...

Scan wise, I have a GP appt on Monday, so will ask then for 8 week scan. My EPU consultant said they'd accept referral from GP.

I think it seems like a really good idea to wait until after the scan to book in. Will try that.

Last pg I was 1:3200 when I had the combined screen when I was 39. Hoping it's similar this time!

Fingers crossed, Lucy and London

PJen Thu 10-Oct-13 15:43:51

I am a good ol' 73 vintage too smile I like to think I am fit too but I do have lots of blood clotting issue (genetics) and for some reason I miscarry...

Only 6 weeks and 5 days today with still lots of miscarriage risks!! my current rmc is awesome. I did a scan yesterday and have another one due in 2 weeks. They scan every two weeks throughout the first trimester. I wish I could stay here till I am done with first trimester. sad

I am getting referred to genetic centre to do harmony test and get educated on risks of CVS and amnio. I don't believe in nuchal ultrasound alone. My risk with DC1 was super low too but the three years age difference (mine) makes a huge difference in elevating my risks so I am going to do everything possible to ensure these kiddies are healthy.

Lets pray we all don't miscarry...

PJen Thu 10-Oct-13 15:44:31

Lucy and London I really do hope you both have good news for us soon

TinyTear Thu 10-Oct-13 15:56:41

Pjen my last pregnancy was like that, scans at 6, 8, 10 weeks (at the RMC in St. Mary's) then out to the wilds of the NHS with scans at 12 and 20 weeks...

Except i was at a training hospital so got offered more scans to help people train (like a blood flow scan and so on) and then got GD so had more scans every two weeks between 30 and 40 weeks...

I loved all the scans!!

PJen, I read that Harmony wasn't possible in twins, but I hope you get told differently!

PJen Thu 10-Oct-13 16:10:01

I love more scans too Tiny

I talked with my consultant yesterday about harmony. harmony is possible in twins but the results are not as accurate. I don't care about 90% or 80% accuracy and want it. Nothing is very accurate in twins pregnancy. Nuchal is just ultrasound and no blood test. CVS they may mix the samples. Amnio, they may hit one fetus when trying to get sample from another. So all very risky and not that accurate. At least with harmony I am not increasing the miscarriage risks. If the harmony shows something, then I can follow up with CVS or Amnio. Although, I have to keep reminding myself that the consultant said I will most likely lose one child or both due to my history. I shouldn't get used to the idea of twins too much sad

TinyTear Thu 10-Oct-13 17:49:19

I hope you will end up with your twins! it's good your consultant is on board

Penguinita Thu 10-Oct-13 19:55:17

I have my booking in appointment tomorrow - I'm sure it is way too early and they will tell me to go home and come back in a couple of weeks! But if they don't then I will ask again about getting an early NHS scan, the midwife at my first appointment said no but it can't hurt to try again.

Otherwise I will go private. DH isn't keen on early scan though, he says there'd is nothing you can do about it if it is bad news, but I just need to know. I'd like the Harmony test but it is £750 here sad

I'm 36, I feel quite the baby of the bunch, that is a novelty! smile

Twins PJen! How fabulous!

TinyTear Fri 11-Oct-13 08:33:34

Have a good appointment today Penguinita!

LondonSuperTrooper Fri 11-Oct-13 08:51:19

Pen where are you based? Good luck with your appointment today.

Lucy have you done the CB test yet?

I did the test this morning and I've got 3+ smile I had some spotting yesterday and as a result I'm having a scan later on today. I just hope that everything is OK with the beanie.

If this pregnancy goes well, then I'm intending to do it just after my nuchal scan.....

Have a good day everyone & please wish me luck for my scan.

lucyfluff Fri 11-Oct-13 09:07:14

Hiya ladies, it's not good news. CB digi said not pregnant...so it was definatly a chemical pregnancy sad I have just rang GP who was really nice and said he would put it on my records, and that it's very common.

Spoke to DH last night about ttc again if it wasn't good news and we will start straight away. I guess sometimes things happen for a reason.

Good luck to everyone else and happy/healthy pregnancies xx

TinyTear Fri 11-Oct-13 09:23:25

So sorry Lucy! Good luck for a July or August baby then...
I am an August baby so it's a good month.

Penguinita Fri 11-Oct-13 10:08:01

Oh no lucy, what a bummer! I'm so sorry sad. I know you'll be feeling gutted, but on the positive side your body is clearly getting back to normal and you can start trying again. Sometimes it can take weeks for the residual pregnancy hormones to clear. Good luck for the future thanks

Hope your scan goes well london. I'm based in the north west so not much choice of hospitals or private clinics here.

Quite nervous about my booking appointment later, I'm not good with needles and my sister told me they take LOTS of blood, eek.

TinyTear Fri 11-Oct-13 11:13:05

Booked my 8w scan!!!!

I will be 7+5 next Friday at midday... Just told my boss I am working at home that day. He knows of the pregnancy and past miscarriage history so he really good with that...


LondonSuperTrooper Fri 11-Oct-13 14:53:53

Lucy, just replied to you on the other thread. I hope that you are OK.

I just had my scan and all the sonographer can see is a sac. I need to have another scan next week. I hope that it's a viable pregnancy.

lucyfluff Fri 11-Oct-13 15:30:56

Hiya London, I'm good thankyou smile not feeling too bad.

That's great news about the scan, it's prob too early to see a HB isn't it. I remember having an early one at 6+2 and saw one so maybe next week you will smile

I will keep an eye on this thread and see how you get. Good luck x

TinyTear Fri 11-Oct-13 15:55:51

London, a sac means there is something there, better than a black hole, hope next week you see something. how many weeks are you today?

Penguinita Fri 11-Oct-13 19:33:39

london, how agonising to not get a clear answer, but at least there is something there. Fx for next week, keep us posted.

Good luck for next Friday tiny!

My booking appt went well, I didn't faint even after three vials of the red stuff! It was the same midwife that I saw before so didn't bother asking about an early scan and will start researching private clinics. I do have my 12 week scan date now though, 18th November - feels as far away as next century!

LondonSuperTrooper Fri 11-Oct-13 20:13:06

Thanks Lucy. It'd be lovely if you popped in here every now & then to check in us. Hopefully you'll have done good news to share with us soon smile

Tiny, according to my calcs I'm 6 weeks today, but GP dates 5+5. They need to rescan me in 10 days time. So with my lack if symptoms it'd very much a case of wait and see.

I remember having some symptoms with my DS around this time. I'm just really worried at the moment sad

LondonSuperTrooper Fri 11-Oct-13 20:15:00

Pen, thanks & well done on being brave. There will lots more blood tests in the future so today was a good warm up ;)

And how exciting that you've got your 12 week scan booked already.

TinyTear Fri 11-Oct-13 20:51:43

Penguinita, my 12 week one is that day as well

CarrotCakeMuffins Fri 11-Oct-13 21:33:49

Hello all

Very sorry to hear your news Lucy. Good luck with trying again!

I fear that I may be the oldest so far, being of 72 vintage, and older than Tanny. Anyone admit to being older than me?

I am really tired and have been going to bed early. I also get really thirsty. Anyone else finding this?

I have been self injecting with Fragmin for 1 week now and have already had enough. It causes bruising which looks really un attractive but is apparently normal. I now can't let my daughter see me undressed as she will worry! And it only MIGHT make a difference.
I have a scan booked in 2 weeks. I expect I'll feel better about the Fragmin if I know it's not in vain. Otherwise I'll be able to stop anyway.

Going back to see my GP on Monday. Hopefully I will find out about my hospital referral then.

Have a good weekend everyone and a great Wedding Tanny.

Penguinita Sat 12-Oct-13 07:59:12

Hi carrot, yes I've been going to bed really early too, usually about 9.30 when I was previously a midnight girl. But I'm waking up really early too needing the loo, then I can't get back to sleep, it is a bit of a vicious circle!

What does the fragmin do? Sounds extreme. Hope it works for you.

I've been awake for a couple of hours worrying about my lack of symptoms. Now I feel sick sick sick. I need to be careful what I wish for... smile

Yes, enjoy your wedding tanny! Trying to avoid drinking champagne might be tricky though!

tiny, really hope we both make it to 18th November and it is a good news day.

TinyTear Sat 12-Oct-13 11:26:22

I go to bed at 10 only because we are watching Breaking Bad, I want to go at 9/9h30

tigsnchar1 Sun 13-Oct-13 10:02:51

Hello everyone. I've been watching from the sidelines seeking support but too scared to post in case of jinxing myself. I've really benefited from reading how everyone is though so thank you for that.
I'm finally jumping in as I want to ask whether anyone else has been told to take aspirin? I've read I can't eat ginger when taking aspirin, just wondered if anyone had heard about anything to avoid etc?
And also has anyone been told to lose weight to improve chances of a healthy pregnancy? I haven't seen a midwife yet but I know they will say that as I'm just under 30 BMI. Hardly eating anything but still seem to have gained 3 pounds somehow!
Any thoughts or advice would be extremely welcome. Thank you smile

PJen Sun 13-Oct-13 13:24:02

f*Lucy*, my heart goes to you. Glad to see that you are taking it well. virtual hugs to you and good luck with trying again.
London good luck with your scan next week.

carrot one year doesn't make that much difference smile 73 or 72, we are all vintage smile I am injecting Clexane and did try Frangmin in last pregnancy. They are both low molecular heparin. The needles of both is very dull and I can't stab myself and both for me sting when injecting. I have been doing it for one month and can't imagine doing this for 9 months. specially when the belly gets big and there is no where to grab?! I can't inject in my thighs as I have ueber sensitive thighs.

Tigs, welcome. yes, I do take baby Aspirin. Good to know re ginger and aspirin as I was feeding my self ginger day and night. Good to know and thanks for sharing. I am not sure if going on diet and losing weight during pregnancy is a good idea but hopefully midwife can help you with that. You may have gained water.

PJen Sun 13-Oct-13 13:24:37

sorry for the f before your name lucy. Damn small alphabets on phone. My fingers are too fat.

lucyfluff Sun 13-Oct-13 15:49:13

Lol thanks pjen smile

tigsnchar1 Sun 13-Oct-13 19:59:51

Thanks pjen, I'm not really trying to lose weight, since getting the BFP, but just can't face much food! Somehow being preggers makes me want to eat healthily, I can't handle the guilt of forcing someone else to eat rubbish!

I can't remember why you shouldn't eat ginger when on aspirin. I'll google it.

Very sorry to hear your news, Lucy. X

TinyTear Sun 13-Oct-13 21:17:40

when i was diagnosed wtih GD last pregnancy I had to chance my diet and did lose weight in the last 10 weeks, but my daugher was growing and thriving so I was losing the proper stuff...

ended up 10kg below pre-pregnancy weight just a couple of weeks after she was born

tigsnchar1 Sun 13-Oct-13 21:24:02

Wow, tiny, what changes did you make? That's impressive!

LondonSuperTrooper Sun 13-Oct-13 22:20:10

Welcome Tigns!

Wow at your weight loss in your first pregnancy Tiny! That's blooming impressive! I'd love to find out how you did it.

I will try and lose weight by joining slimming world. My BMI is 32 and GP recommended it. I have been trying to eat healthily and have cut junk and upped my intake of fruit and veg..... And I've gained 3lbs for my endeavours sad. I really of need help otherwise I'll just balloon like I did with DS. I ended up being induced 1 week before my due date as I had pre-eclampsia. I'm trying my best not to gain too much.

Also I still have no preg symptoms but I'm severely bloated. I look like I'm 20 weeks pregnant.... If this pregnancy is viable how on earth will I keep it quiet till my 12 week scan?!

LondonSuperTrooper Sun 13-Oct-13 22:21:15

Sorry for all typos, I'm on my phone and in bed.

TinyTear Mon 14-Oct-13 06:43:15

One of the things with my Diabetes was I couldn't process carbs in the morning at all, so i couldn;t have porridge or cereal or even toast in the morning, had to be eggs or bacon or cheese or yogurts... then I cut out the fruit juices completely

and reduced carbs massively and sugar a bit, but with the odd treat...

I was also on metformin but that stopped at birth and the last week had insulin at bedtime...which also stopped at biirth...

then after the birth breastfeeding and walking helped keep things ok. and on my last GP appointment I was still 3 or 4 kgs below pre-previous-pregnancy...

I could have been a wee bit more careful but cake mornings on maternity leave were too tempting

I think my BMI is also on the low 30s, haven't checked in a while

Penguinita Mon 14-Oct-13 09:48:57

Just booked a private scan for next Tuesday evening. Eeeeek! Scared!

Welcome tig !

I don't think it is generally advised to diet once pregnant, so I've been giving in to cake and biscuits when I feel like it. Which isn't that often, as I seem to feel sick most of the time now. I've put on 3-4 pounds but I was on a diet pre-pregnancy, so it is probably just due to stopping that. I've totally gone off creamy things (milk, yoghurt, mashed potato - bleurgh) and I'm craving fruit and veg, so at least that is the right way around! smile

TinyTear Mon 14-Oct-13 10:39:32

Ooo good luck Penguinita!

I am counting the days till Friday... Trying not to think about it too much but it's hard!

LondonSuperTrooper Mon 14-Oct-13 16:50:39

Tiny thanks for the info. I will and try to join slimming world and hopefully lose weight or at least maintain my weight.

Pen I was adviced by my GP to lose some weight safely - hence slimming world.
BTW, I have a scan next Monday, one day before you. Hopefully it will be good news and I can get to see the heartbeat.

I still have no symptoms but I am severly bloated and have very dry mouth.... not sure that these are usual pregnancy signs? Also, no sickness as of yet & I'm 6+1 weeks.

Penguinita Mon 14-Oct-13 17:41:26

So between us we have scans on Friday, Monday and Tuesday? I'll be keeping everything crossed for all of us.

london I'm pretty sure they count as pregnancy signs smile Even though the bean is still small, you uterus is expanding which could explain the bloating.

Has anyone started doing pelvic floor exercises yet? The midwife told me to, but it feels a bit early.

tannyLoo72 Mon 14-Oct-13 18:33:54

Hi everyone, back to planet earth after the wedding! Had a wonderful time and apart from some hormone fuelled tears managed to avoid being too caught up with pregnancy symptoms.

I had my GP appt this afternoon and she's referred me for my 8 week scan, but wants me to phone the midwife tomorrow to support the referral...

It all felt a bit like I was causing a fuss.

A good symptom the last few nights have been feeling a stretching sensation in my uterus. Although it distracts me from sleep, it feels reassuring. Anyone else feeling similar?

tannyLoo72 Mon 14-Oct-13 19:36:48

Oh God. Just did a digi test hoping to get some reassurance and a nice 3+ and it's reading 1-2.

Now I am trying to convince myself that it's cos it's late in the day. Crap! Really thought this was a sticky.

Beans1977 Mon 14-Oct-13 19:45:03

Hello, Is there room for another paranoid passenger on the bus? I got a BFP this morning and was ecstatic - but with the excitement is the accompanying paranoia that I'm sure is familiar to you all...

I have been blessed with a beautiful 12-month old DD, but before she arrived I had a MMC at 14 weeks and then my DD was one of a pair and I lost the other twin to a MC at 7 weeks. So I know that a positive test sadly doesn't always equal a baby 9 months later.

But really thrilled to have a BFP and thinking lots of positive thoughts. Early days for me as just 4+4 but feel totally knackered, queasy and boobs are killing.

I've been reading the posts and have everything crossed for all of you that this is our time x

Penguinita Mon 14-Oct-13 20:26:47

Hi beans and welcome to the worry warts bus smile So sorry for your previous losses.

tanny you should really stay away from those CB digis! I'm sure they are very inaccurate, especially later in the day when you have probably drunk lots to dilute it, and cause more stress than reassurance. Do you have another one you can try first thing one morning?

Congratulations on your wedding day, sounds like you had a lovely time.

TinyTear Mon 14-Oct-13 20:41:32

Welcome beans to the paranoid realistic all innocence gone group.

I do envy people who at 5 weeks are talking about prams.

Tanny the digitals are a con. The have a scanner and old fashioned strips inside. I opened one! The scan could be faulty. Don't worry on account of that.

tigsnchar1 Mon 14-Oct-13 21:17:01

London, I have exactly those symptoms - the bloating is due to progesterone messing with your digestion, slowing it down so you suck out as many nutrients as possible. I find it very painful, but better since I reduced my bread intake. The dry throat/mouth is also a preggo thing - one of my first symptoms! I don't know why that is though.

I'm glad to be here with others who know the score! I honestly feel like I'm just setting myself up for another fall. Can't think of a baby, we are behaving like I'm ill and need to eat carefully and rear etc to get better - even though getting better is the last thing we want. Crazy messed up world we have ended up in.

tannyLoo72 Tue 15-Oct-13 06:45:34

So, I tested again this morning both with a strip and cbd. The strip still has 2 lines, and tbh god knows if it is lighter than before. The digi came out 2-3, which is better than 1-2 but I should be 6 weeks tomorrow, and first got a 2-3 10 days ago with middle of the day testing.

I'm in limbo. My symptoms seem to be dropping off one by one, and I really know the odds are shrinking, but until I know for sure I want to cling onto any hopeful sign.

It's exhausting thinking about going through another mc, and this will be my 3rd. What happens when you count as a rmc? What should I expect and ask for?

Would dearly love to be blowing everything out of proportion, and come back saying all is well...

IBelieveInEngels Tue 15-Oct-13 07:57:00

Have had some AF like bleeding this morning and light abdominal cramps sad

Think I will just see what happens today before contacting mw (they might not see me anyway as only 6w+1 but registered with them last week).

On half term and just dropped ds at nursery - need something to occupy my mind but can't concentrate.

TinyTear Tue 15-Oct-13 08:47:32

Tanny if you get a third miscarriage do go to the doctor and pester them to refer you to the recurrent miscarriage clinic, they will run a series of tests which may help (in my case they found nothing)

Engels hope you are ok and manage to get an early scan booked

TinyTear Tue 15-Oct-13 08:49:44

And I hope you all don't think I'm insensitive but just got an email reminding me the justgiving page is closing soon...

I did a 5 mile run a few months ago and fundraised a bit for the Miscarriage Association...


Anything is good for them, and they were really helpful and supportive for me.

I have my scan Friday and I am feeling so nervous as I don't have that many symptoms at all...

IBelieveInEngels Tue 15-Oct-13 09:17:40

Not insensitive at all tiny .

Just hada bit more bleeding...very period like. Am going to contact mw but perhaps they'll tell me to just stay at home. Last mc was at this stage as well.
Thanks for your support ladies - no one else to talk to atm and don't want to contact dh over phone /email about it. He'll be home this afternoon.

Today should be a happy day - it's ds' s 2nd birthday and I'm sat here in tears sad

lucyfluff Tue 15-Oct-13 09:19:18

Oh IBelieve....hugs sad I hope the bleeding is nothing but get yourself checked out and take care x

TinyTear Tue 15-Oct-13 09:19:46

Aww Engels, so sorry...

For me all bleeding also ended in miscarriage but I do know people with healthy babies who had heavy bleeds in the early days thatwere either cysts or a lost twin...

At 6+1 they should be able to send you to the EPU for a scan

IBelieveInEngels Tue 15-Oct-13 09:49:52

Thank you ladies. Trying to stay positive. Is 2 weeks since AF was due, so could be implantation bleed.

No more bleeding at the moment and wasn't heavy - more like the light beginning to a period before the heavy flow sets in.

Have emailed mw to see what their advice is (not in UK so no EPU here). I think they will tell me to wait and see if I have more bleeding today. I think the earliest scans they will offer here are at 8 weeks, but will see what they say.

LondonSuperTrooper Tue 15-Oct-13 12:23:15

Engles I hope that it isn't serious and keep positive... I know its easier said than done. I used to bleed when pregnant with DS and he's a healthy 6 year old now. Wishing you all the best.

LondonSuperTrooper Tue 15-Oct-13 12:27:23

Tanny maybe you should test with FMU? I'm not going to say don't bother with CB digi as I clearly did and really wanted to see the 3+ to make me feel that everything is alright.

Tigs thanks for your comments. I still can't believe that I'm pregnant. As a matter of fact I don't think that I will believe it until I have my scan next monday...... which can't can't come son enough for me!

Hello to everyone else and the newbies. I'm off now to research the harmony scan/test.

PJen Tue 15-Oct-13 16:07:35

* IBelieveInEngels* Oh no. That is not what I wanted to read. I do pray that all is well with you. I did have light bleeding with DC1 and went to EPU and got early scans to reassure myself. There was a tear somewhere but not close to the baby. Oh I can’t believe they don’t have EPU in NL?? Even here in Canada they do have a similar thing like EPU (you go to emerg and they do a scan). Can your midwife speak English or do you speak Dutch fluently? I send you cyber hugs and hope that all is fine. It is reassuring that your bleeding stopped. Are you still getting positive pregnancy tests? Thinking of you.

Penguinita Tue 15-Oct-13 18:36:52

Oh no engels, how horrible. sad Do they have private clinics there you can go to for a scan, or could you go to the docs to get your hormone levels checked?

tanny it sounds like you maybe had a random high on your first test if you got 2-3 weeks ten days ago. I think 2-3 when you are not six weeks yet isn't that unusual.

I'm worried today as my symptoms have all disappeared, no nausea or sore boobs. Exactly the same happened two days before it all went wrong last time. Hoping it is just a temporary glitch.

Penguinita Tue 15-Oct-13 18:51:46

Just reading the standard June bus thread. Bless their innocence, not knowing what dildo cam is!

IBelieveInEngels Tue 15-Oct-13 19:13:52

Think I will be bowing out ladies.

Bleeding continued throughout day and menstrual like cramps. Felt and looked the same as my first mc (also at 6weeks).

Spoke to mw who said I should take a pg test in a week and then give them a call whatever the outcome. If I took one now it may be positive as I may still have pg hormones in my blood. There's nothing they can do for me right now and I'm 99% sure it was a mc.

Just sucks that it had to happen on DS's birthday, though at least he's not old enough to really notice that not something was going on.

Wish you all the best for the next 8 months and hope you all have sticky beans.

PJen do PM me later on if you're in Amsterdam and need any advice on the Dutch system. I'm sure my mw do speak English but I've always spoken Dutch with them. They ask you on the booking form if Dutch isn't your first language and if so, would you like a translator (I think it's because they have large Turkish and Morrocan communities here and if soeone has recently arrived in the country they may not speak Dutch or English - I certainly couldn't speak Dutch when I got here!)

tannyLoo72 Tue 15-Oct-13 19:41:39

Oh no, Engles. So sorry to hear that. Poor poor you...

Wishing you good luck with everything, and feel free to pop back from time to time.

Virtual hugs...

LondonSuperTrooper Tue 15-Oct-13 19:51:02

Engels really sorry to read your sad update. Nothing that I can say can make it better. Hope you'll stay strong. Hope to see you back on these threads very soon.

All the best. And happy birthday to your little man.

tigsnchar1 Tue 15-Oct-13 20:02:57

Engels, so sorry to hear your sad news. It's so very hard. Big virtual hugs.

I have had some spotting today, 7 weeks today as well. Not very pleased to see it as although brown, that's how my last mc finally announced itself (at 20 weeks, at least 3 later than the baby survived).

I've rung the midwife but no reply. Expect they'll just tell me to wait and see. Some pain but that could be stress.

I'm in a whole new world of crazy tonight.

IBelieveInEngels Tue 15-Oct-13 20:10:00

Fx for you tigs

I'm holding onto the fact that 2 months after I had my last mc I got a BFP - DS!

TinyTear Tue 15-Oct-13 20:25:45

Hugs Engels, fingers crossed for a quick return to a BFP

tigsnchar1 Tue 15-Oct-13 20:27:13

Engels, thank you.

I have heard that post mc is a really fertile time, so fx for you too! Definitely the best attitude to have.

TinyTear Tue 15-Oct-13 20:32:11

Yes Penguinita. I actually prefer dildocams as there is no need for a full bladder.

lucyfluff Tue 15-Oct-13 20:44:42

Sorry to hear your news IBelieve sad hope you are ok x

PJen Tue 15-Oct-13 22:16:50

Oh Ibelieveinengles how heartbreaking!!! sad Thank you for being so kind and thinking of me in this difficult time. I will PM you once I am there and am completely confused. I wish I could be more of a friend to you in this hard time. I have been there 4 times and I know how heartbreaking each miscarriage is. sad

hackneybird Tue 15-Oct-13 22:19:11

Hello all, can I join? Had an mc in 2008, a healthy son in 2009, and another mc in March this year.

Am also of the '73 vintage, I celebrated my big one in August.

I am now 5+3 or thereabouts. Feeling very tired indeed with sore boobs but no nausea yet. Can't get even vaguely excited about this due to 2 mcs and am a bit worried about my age, although I know plenty of ladies who have had successful pregnancies at 40+. I SO want to have a sibling for DS.

Don't really want to join the main thread as I've done all that before. Just persuaded DH to fork out for an early scan so cam ringing the fetal centre tomorrow! We live in London.

Lots of love to all.

Bumblebeesmum Wed 16-Oct-13 06:01:34

Hello everyone
I got pregnant 1st month of trying & straight forward pg with no1 & so expected the same now. I had a miscarriage at 5 weeks & then at 7/8 weeks which has knocked me quite a bit. Last was August. I have just found out I am pregnant but feeling v odd - the excitement is ruined a little. Anyway Hi everyone and fingers crossed!

TinyTear Wed 16-Oct-13 07:34:28

Hello hackney
August 73 for me as well
Don't tell me it's 22nd smile
Good luck on an early scan

Hello bumblebee
Welcome here

tigsnchar1 Wed 16-Oct-13 11:55:35

Been referred for a scan tomorrow. Being made to feel like this is a big massive favour! I almost don't want to go and find out the bad news. I know it's better to know and deal with it and try again - need to toughen up a bit I think.

This bit is so hard.

Beans1977 Wed 16-Oct-13 12:15:45

Hi bumblebee congrats on your BFP and fx for a happy and healthy pg. Easier said than done I know.

Engels so very sorry to read your messages, I really hope history repeats itself for you.

And tigs good luck for tomorrow... let us know how you get on.

I'm 4+5 today and already going a bit crazy. Trying hard to be postive and not do pg tests every day, but my sensible head doesn't always win out...

LondonSuperTrooper Wed 16-Oct-13 14:09:08

Tigs, ignore them! I think its good that you are having a scan then you can find out one way or the other. Best of luck & do let us know how you get on.

Hi to everyone else. I hope that our little beanies will be stickies smile

tigsnchar1 Wed 16-Oct-13 16:16:14

Thanks beans and London. So good to have some support here as no-one knows IRL except OH who is being very quiet about it all - he's disappointed and worried and scared of upsetting me I think.

Hope everyone else is getting on ok.

LondonSuperTrooper Wed 16-Oct-13 17:42:19

Tigs awww your poor DH sad I really hope that all is well with you.

Take care & best of luck with the scan.

PJen Wed 16-Oct-13 21:39:27

Oh tigs I am sorry that you are going through this. Good luck for your scan tomorrow. It is always better to know early. The more weeks go by the harder the hit of disappointment is. I do hope though that you get only good news and reassurance. You never know. Hang in there.

hackney welcome. Yayyy, I am younger than you and Tiny by one month!! thlsmile I celebrated the big four O in September! cake I like this thread so much as there are a lot of people in my age group and this usually doesn't happen that often as all pregnant women are usually much younger than us.

I am very very worried as well; since evil morning sickness has disappeared. My scan is not till Monday and I am dying to have it NOW. As mentioned before, due to me being high risk for miscarriage (4 previous ones plus they found lots of issues with me in my recurrent miscarriage testing), I get scanned every 2 weeks. I find the first week after the scan is easy and the second week waiting for the next scan is absolute torture.

PJen Wed 16-Oct-13 21:53:58

The problem is that I am on progesterone and hcg maintenance therapy (I inject myself with hcg hormone every two days) so if I miscarry, I won't bleed and it will be a missed one. I hate to think I will get the bad news while lying on ultrasound table. sad

TinyTear Thu 17-Oct-13 08:15:27

PJen I was scanned every 2 weeks in my previous pregnancy and was the same scan- elation - nerves - scan...

My scan is tomorrow and I am so scared. It's when they say "are you sure of your dates?" That I know things are wrong as I am usually sure of my dates, thankyouverymuch.

PJen Thu 17-Oct-13 08:26:54

Good luck Tiny for your scan. I have everything crossed for you!!! Let me know how it goes. I really really pray you have good news!!!!

TinyTear Thu 17-Oct-13 08:29:19

Thanks, it's not till midday tomorrow and the hospital has dodgy mobile signal, but I shall definitely update when I can!

tannyLoo72 Thu 17-Oct-13 08:33:05

Sorry. That's me out. The digi wasn't wrong after all.

I started bleeding this morning with cramps. Same as previous MCs.

The midwives say I can go to EPU and get a scan, but I'm too late this morning. Don't think I will go though, I already know the answer. Only hope I don't haemorrhage like last time.

Good luck with all your pregnancies. May they all be sticky...

TinyTear Thu 17-Oct-13 08:45:56

So sorry tanny

PJen Thu 17-Oct-13 08:54:06

I am devastated for you Tanny sad what a sad news sad hope you get pregnant again soon and carry to term. I highly recommend that you do RMC testing if you haven't. They found loads of stuff wrong with me. I know how emotionally painful it is and wish it was easier for you. sad

hackneybird Thu 17-Oct-13 09:45:04

My condolences Tanny.

Tiny no not the 22nd, a week later!

Pjen agree this is a good thread for being amongst a similar age group,when I was on a regular ante natal group earlier this year (before I mc'd) everyone seemed to be under 30 and it made me feel really self conscious.

TinyTear Thu 17-Oct-13 10:01:00

Ha Hackney, so I am older than you

lucyfluff Thu 17-Oct-13 11:10:33

Sorry to hear your news tanny. Hope you are ok x

PJen Thu 17-Oct-13 11:53:50

Bleeding here. I think I am out too sad

TinyTear Thu 17-Oct-13 11:55:58

oh no Jen
Hang in there until Monday's scan

I did tell you about a woman from my Feb12 group who is actually 40 weeks this weekend - she lost one twin at 7 or 8 weeks with lots of bleeding but the other one is there about to be born...

Sending you positive thoughts... don't lose all hope just yet

LondonSuperTrooper Thu 17-Oct-13 12:36:21

Tanny I am so sorry. I hope that you are OK.

Jen I hope that you are OK. Is it heavy bleeding? My sister suffered with bleeding in her early pregnancy and was fine. My nephew was born last week. Try not to lose hope just yet.

It's a novelty for me to be one of the younger ones for once wink I'm not 40 till november.

I'm counting down till my scan on Monday afternoon. It really can't come soon enough. Apart from the bloating I really do not have any symptoms. I hope that everything is OK with this little beanie.

LondonSuperTrooper Thu 17-Oct-13 12:36:42

Tigs have you had your scan yet?

tigsnchar1 Thu 17-Oct-13 16:53:48

So sorry, pjen and tanny. This is a harsh thing to go through. Lots of hugs.

My scan was this morning and they said all was well, to my shock and surprise. I'm unconvinced and OH is consequently annoyed with me for being so negative. But the baby was about a week smaller than it should have been (I was temping and weeing on sticks and we didn't have sex after the designated O day so that's weird unless I kept his wrigglers going for nearly a week before they met the egg, which was moving extra-slowly). Heartbeat visible.

I've still got lots of pain and am spotting more now than yesterday so although pleased to see something this morning I'm far from confident.

Thank you so much for thinking of me, London. You ladies are lovely - and I'm 36 and loving everyone not being 18. Although sadly that's probably why we are here.

Off home to bed and rest lots to see if we can keep this one going somehow!


LondonSuperTrooper Thu 17-Oct-13 18:09:27

Tigs that's great news! I fully understand why you are not believing it just yet. Did they find out from the scan where/why you are bleeding?

Plenty of rest sounds good to me. Are you signed off from work? Sorry I can't remember whether you work or SAHM.

TinyTear Thu 17-Oct-13 18:39:01

Good luck Tigs, a heartbeat is great, increases the chances of viability...

Hope some rest will help you... how far along did they measure you?

tigsnchar1 Thu 17-Oct-13 19:25:05

Thanks London and Tiny. I work 3 days a week and still going in, much as I'd love to be signed off I haven't been!

There was no reason for the bleeding that they could see. Ovaries looking normal, it was amazing that she could tell it was the left one that ovulated and could still see the follicle.

She just said that some women bleed and that's that! Also made it quite clear that this was just a moment in time and a baby ok today may not be ok tomorrow.

Measured me at 6 + 2 instead of the 7 + 2 I am based on dates (lmp 27 August).

Pleased to see the heartbeat obviously but very worried that it's not big enough. We will see in time!

Thank you for asking and being interested. Love that we are in this together.

LondonSuperTrooper Fri 18-Oct-13 04:59:03


I've just lost the post that I wrote on the phone. A quick version of it is:

Jen how are you? I hope that the bleeding has stopped.

Tigs take it easy till the bleeding/spotting stops. My sister was spotting for much for the first trimester. She somehow managed to get 6 weeks sick leave! Did they advice bed rest or to just get on as normal?

As for me I'm just taking it one day at a time. 4 more days than I make it past the time of my last miscarriage. I'm constantly checking for blood on my panty liner & when I'm wiping. From what I've read the magic number to get to is 12 weeks....... I still have an awful long way to go.

Wishing you all a fab Friday.

tigsnchar1 Fri 18-Oct-13 06:35:57

Morning London, no bed rest or any advice at all really! I'm resting as much as I can but am lucky to have a nearly 3 year old to look after when not at work so it's not that restful at home! OH is trying to help when he's here but is out tonight playing football and tomorrow at a party so I'm a bit fed up with him.
But on the other hand it was our 10 year anniversary yesterday and I completely forgot (given scan and also that we are trying to buy a house and I spent most of yesterday on the phone about that so I think it's sort of understandable) so although I'm annoyed I can't say too much - I'd have been gutted if I'd remembered and he hadn't!
I'll stop burbling. Hope everyone has a good day.

TinyTear Fri 18-Oct-13 08:48:48

Countdown until my scan... it's at midday.
I am so scared...

Embracing the nausea...

tigsnchar1 Fri 18-Oct-13 09:34:57

Good luck Tiny.

My bleeding is getting worse so I think that's it for me. Got another scan Monday to confirm. sad

TinyTear Fri 18-Oct-13 10:04:17

so sorry Tigs... fingers crossed for Monday

PJen Fri 18-Oct-13 12:02:40

So sorry tigs this is nerve racking.

Thanks to all the ladies thinking about me.

I am still bleeding too. Not heavy but it is not spotting. I am not going to hospital since DH is on work trip and I don't want to spend 4-5 hours in waiting room there with a 3 year old. I don't have family here to help. I am convicted that it is gone and really there is nothing they can do to stop a miscarriage so not worth going.

I'm excited and waiting for your scan Tiny. Please don't leave us here in suspense smile good luck!

The best news is that today is Friday. smile

PJen Fri 18-Oct-13 12:03:36

Convinced not convicted. Stupid auto correct.

LondonSuperTrooper Fri 18-Oct-13 12:20:57

Best of luck with your scan Tiny

Tigs I am so sorry to hear that sad Is it very heavy bleeding?

Jen what an utter nightmare! When is your husband back from his trip? I am really sorry that you are going through this alone. Big hugs.

TinyTear Fri 18-Oct-13 12:46:26

I'm out
Measuring 5 weeks
I'll give my daughter an extra cuddle.
They will rescan in a week but I know my dates

tannyLoo72 Fri 18-Oct-13 13:18:06

Tiny, Tigs, Jen - oh my word, we're all going through it! Really big hugs.

So so sorry to hear all the news from you. I really wanted everyone to be ok.

Thank you all for your kindness. I couldn't bring myself to tell my mum until this morning, so having support here really helped.

I'm still bleeding, though not as heavily as yesterday, but in lots of pain with cramps and back ache and more nauseous than whilst I was pregnant sad

Stupidly I have been holding off taking any painkillers until an hour ago and then took some cocodamol. I wasn't quite ready to give up I suppose..

Sorry. I'm feeling very flat.

I'll keep checking in if that's okay. T x

TinyTear Fri 18-Oct-13 14:12:03

i wish i was bleeding as it would be more final, this way my stupid body is hanging on to this unviable fetus...

tannyLoo72 Fri 18-Oct-13 14:19:17

I really understand, Tiny, and the only way I could deal with my mmc was by thinking about how hard my body had worked to keep me pregnant and keep my unviable bean safe.
Good luck with the scan next week.

TinyTear Fri 18-Oct-13 14:34:06


the way I see it now there are two options

1) i will start bleeding and miscarry naturally this week
2) scan next week will show no changes so I will ask to have an ERPC as I want a clear end to it and don't want it to happen naturally.

I really can't see an option where things are magically ok...

In a way i am glad I asked for the scan today. If I had gone all the way to 12 weeks I would have really been even more devastated

tigsnchar1 Fri 18-Oct-13 17:19:59

Tiny, so sorry. My body is also clinging on. Bleeding worse but only on wiping, but lots of clots. Another scan on Monday to see what is going on / what is left.

I'm glad to know now. Just a bit fed up as the first few weeks are such hard work and were for nothing.

Now I want it resolved so we can try again. Whole thing seems to take forever and midwife has terrified me by talking about when to call doctor and when to call 999!


lucyfluff Fri 18-Oct-13 19:07:13

Im so sorry to you ladies on here who are going through mc again. Hugs to you all. Im popping in now and again to see how you are. I hope to see you again on the conception threads and take care xx

PJen Fri 18-Oct-13 20:33:18

Oh I am devastated to hear your news Tiny. Why the hell is it so difficult to hold on to pregnancies for us?

tigs and tanny, I am sorry you ladies are struggling too. I am in no better situation as you girls.

Unfortunately, I know I can't get pregnant easily. We tried for 2 years and had an IVF for this one. This was our third IVF try and here IVF is not covered so we have paid around 50 USD so far for IVF. Unfortunately, I can't just get back to trying and I am not sure if I have the emotional strength to go through yet another heartrending IVF cycle. sad

LondonSuperTrooper Fri 18-Oct-13 21:18:10

Oh Tigs I'm so sorry sad I think it's great that you want to try again. Keep strong.

Jen it's horrid cards that you've been dealt. We were saving up for IVF before I fell pregnant on my 13th cycle of TTC.

Tiny it's funny how we are relieved to find out the pregnancy is not viable now as opposed to finding at 12 weeks. It's crazy what we are willing to put up just to have a baby. I think you are being very sensible in asking for ERPC.

Tanny how are you bearing up?

I sincerely hope that all of us will have a successful and viable pregnancy. I keep panicking that I'll be turning 40 next month and still no baby...... And time is not on our side sad

Hey Lucy I think it's lovely how you are keeping an eye out over all of us.

Penguinita Fri 18-Oct-13 21:58:18

Oh girls, I'm so gutted for you all. I've been away for three days and I can't believe things have gone so wrong for so many of you in that time. Tanny, PJen, tiny and tigs I'm shedding a tear for you and your pain. How can life be so cruel to the same people again and again? So unfair sad sad sad

tannyLoo72 Sat 19-Oct-13 19:46:07

A bit fed up to be honest. After 2 days of bleeding everything has stopped. I don't think I have passed everything, so I think it's off to EPU on Monday to see what's going on.

I know it's a mc, as test lines are faint now, but not sure about anything else...

I can't stop thinking about it all. Its been miserable going through it again. DH has been a brick, but mum and friends who knew I was pregnant have been distant. I'm not surprised, just feeling a bit lonely. sad

Sorry for the sob story.

How's everyone else doing?

tigsnchar1 Sat 19-Oct-13 20:22:55

Lonely here too. Bleeding is increasing. OH won't let me tell anyone in case baby survives and we have to wait till 12 week scan. I think that is most unlikely but he won't give up on this one. Quite sweet really I suppose.

No pain yet and I'm very scared of it kicking in.

How is everyone else?

TinyTear Sat 19-Oct-13 21:05:04

Waiting to bleed still...

But I have no hope...

allegedly 8w tomorrow... this was when bleeding started with number 3

been chatting to a friend who was one of the only who knew and she is a good help... just trying to be realistic

won;t be trying actively again so soon... will 'not try not prevent' for a bit...

KatAndKit Sat 19-Oct-13 21:14:49

Hi there id like to join you. So sorry to read that some of you are having to go through another miscarriage.

currently a bit over five weeks with number two. First pg was missed miscarriage and erpc at 11 weeks. Second pregnancy no heartbeat at private early scan, medical management at 9 weeks. Testing revealed antiphospholipid syndrome. Third pregnancy i was on clexane and thankfully it ended in the birth of my lovely DS, now 18 months.

first month of trying this time, seems to good to be true. Waiting for my first appointment and hoping i can get a scan before 8 weeks. Already covered in clexane bruises.

Penguinita Sun 20-Oct-13 08:38:21

Hi kat and welcome to our rather sad bus. Lets hope that your arrival marks a turning point in our fortunes!

I hope the scan tomorrow gives you the answers you need tigs. Am I right in thinking you have a scan tomorrow too london? Wishing you lots of good luck.

My scan is on Tuesday evening, I'm preparing for the worst whilst hoping for the best. I don't have very strong symptoms, same as last time.

CarrotCakeMuffins Sun 20-Oct-13 13:33:53

This thread makes heartbreaking reading! I am so very very sorry for all of you who are having a mc. Big hugs to you all.

I was feeling positive ish that there were lots of ladies in the same situation as me until I caught up with both threads today....

I have a scan on Wednesday at 7+2 so will find out if I am still in or out then. After 3 mcs and feeling crap now, and being the oldest here (just), I have decided that whatever happens this is my last try as I cannot keep putting myself through this.

On the plus side, I have sore boobs, have been very tired, am very thirsty and also very nauseous. However, I know from previous experience that all this is no guarantee of success.

Roll on Wednesday...

tannyLoo72 Sun 20-Oct-13 13:57:17

Sorry that it's been so sad on here.

I'm going to stop posting about my stuff, but will check in now and then to see how everyone is doing.

I'm not going to give up. I have no problem conceiving, and now I've reached the magic number I can push for some rmc testing.

My aunt is an obs/gyne consultant so I will call her and get some advice.

Good luck with scans, symptoms and beans, and good luck with next time round.thanks

PJen Sun 20-Oct-13 16:34:22

tiny do you still have MS or sore boobs? Praying that the ultrasound tech was wrong. Those machines are not all accurate. sad

Tanny don't say that. If you can't talk among us then where? We are here together as we all understand that this road is not all excitement and rosy.

Tanny and Tigs I have high hopes that yours is just a synchronic hematoma. I am in a Canadian thread too and four ladies went down with bleedings and had ultrasound to only find SCH and perfect babies. They are very common. Good luck!

Welcome Kat. I sorry we have been a bit grim here.

I am hanging in there. Bleeding. Lack of nausea for two days. Boobs less sore. I am trying to not make anything out of it.

PJen Sun 20-Oct-13 17:17:22

Subchronic not synchronic. Damn auto correct

LondonSuperTrooper Sun 20-Oct-13 19:20:14

Hi Pen yes I'm having my scan tomorrow and I'm going to be 7+2. I'm petrified but I can't talk to DH about it as he gets rather irate with me for not being positive. Let's hope that the beanie has grown as there was a question regarding my dates 2 weeks ago.... And my dates are absolutely spot on as I've been TTC for 13 months and was charting and OPK.

tigsnchar1 Sun 20-Oct-13 19:21:58

Thank you, everyone. Bleeding still, more so each time I dare to look. Scan at 8 tomorrow morning so hopefully we will know what the next step is then. I've been reading about all the options to miscarry and they all seem absolutely horrendous and impractical with a 2 year old to look after (we have no close family) but at least I've been reasonably unemotional (apart from a quick cry last night on OH's shoulder after which we watched Superbad which helped!).

Hugs to all the others in my situation or fearing the worst. We are strong xxx

LondonSuperTrooper Sun 20-Oct-13 19:22:45

Welcome Kat.

Tanny, don't you dare stop posting! We are all in this together and need the support if each other, especially if we haven't told people in RL.

How is everyone else getting on? I'm on the phone and it's hard reading the previous pages and making comments at the same time.

LondonSuperTrooper Sun 20-Oct-13 19:24:13

Oh Tigs, hang in there. Last time I opted for a natural miscarriage.... Had horrendous pain though sad

tigsnchar1 Sun 20-Oct-13 19:24:14

Cross-posted with London - my OH is exactly the same, we had a row earlier as he wanted me to go to A&E in case this bleeding is due to some other internal bleed! I told him that optimism is good but refusing to accept the facts displayed by my body was really not helpful.

He's shut up now. X

tigsnchar1 Sun 20-Oct-13 19:26:29

London, that is helpful, thank you. I'm very scared! All info/experiences very welcome if anyone else can share - my previous history is always much later in pregnancy so I've had to give birth.

I shall be thinking of you tomorrow, scan-buddy!

CarrotCakeMuffins Sun 20-Oct-13 21:10:24

Warning - may be TMI...

tigs I've had medical management twice and it wasn't that bad (all things considered). I was given some initial tablets at the EPU a few days before, then went back for more tablets and to wait for things to pass. I had to stay in for the whole day until the key bits had gone. Took paracetamol & codeine for pain which was bad after I went home too but better the next day.
Bleeding afterwards was the same as with any other option. I have also mc naturally as it happened before I was due back at hospital. I have never had an ERPC. I was told they didn't like to do them so early.

Whatever happens, you will be ok and come out the other side. I found it helpful to tell some friends / family what was going on too as if they don't know they can't support you through it.

'giving birth' would be way more scary / traumatic I expect.

Good luck & stay strong!

TinyTear Sun 20-Oct-13 21:24:05

I had an ERPC and that is what I will be opting for again...

last time I went to the EPU at 7am, the went to theatre at 8am (I think) and was awake from GA by 9h30ish... then spent the day recovering, lying down there and reading... my husband picked me up aroud 3pm. then the following day I worked from home and then back to normal...

this would mean I could go by myself to the EPU while my husband takes our daughter to the nursery as usual, then he would probably also have to pick her up that day, but back to normal, I think...

On the other hand, a natural miscarriage was horrible, going through pad after pad and seeing the clots and stuff... i hated it. especially as i was on holiday at the MIL at the time and we didn't tell them anything of what was happening.

So in terms of options, personally, an ERPC is my choice.

in terms of the future, we might give it another year or a year and a half and if it doesn't happen we will stop trying.

Also I said if I have one more mc, then I want to stop trying for my own mental sanity and just enjoy our daughter

TinyTear Sun 20-Oct-13 21:24:45

and PJen, still a wee bit of nausea but the boobs aren;t as sensitive on breastfeeding anymore... i really have no hope

PJen Sun 20-Oct-13 22:39:03

My heart goes to all of us in this hurrondeous situation!!

London and Tigs good luck for scans tomorrow. I will be thinking of you and check here to see your news.

Hope that this thread sees some good news smile

Tiny I am crossing my fingers for you as well. In an eternal optimist. Specially knowing how crappy some of the ultrasound equipments are in detecting sizes of early pregnancies.

tannyLoo72 Sun 20-Oct-13 23:20:54

Thank you all. You made me cry. sad

I just didn't want to frighten off people who are doing ok.

I'm off to EPU in the morning. I'm trying to be brave as I have to go on my own, DH will have to look after DS2.

Will let you know the result, I promise x

tigsnchar1 Mon 21-Oct-13 05:20:22

Carrot and Tiny, thank you so much for sharing your experiences. Makes it seem a little less scary which is most helpful!
Thanks pjen, good luck to you and tanny, and of course London and Tiny too. I am sorry if I've sort of lowered the tone on here in terms of talking about the end of things that no one wants to think about when pregnant and with a colourful history, I've really not intended to upset anyone and I am so sorry if I have. But you ladies are my only source of support and decent information (I don't trust the rest of the Internet!) and I really appreciate the help I have had here, and all the good wishes. Thank you. thanks

tigsnchar1 Mon 21-Oct-13 12:11:32

Well that's it for us, scan showed baby had died and so I've just had the tablets inserted and now waiting to pass it.

I hope you other lovely ladies have had better news.

Lots of love xx

TinyTear Mon 21-Oct-13 12:23:50

So sorry tigs
Hope you get closure and move on quickly.

Although in my mind it's over, the EPU is keeping me in limbo till Friday...


KatAndKit Mon 21-Oct-13 12:43:45

So sorry it was bad news tig i hope it is over quickly for you.

having a nightmare here trying to get a hospital appointment. Apparently i cant have one for another four weeks. I cant wait that long i will be over nine weeks then if still pregnant.

was hoping to see the magic 3 on the Clearblue thus morning as should be 5+2 but still says 2-3. I hate those evil tests but am still compelled to do them. Wish i knew what was going on. Going to attempt to get referred to epu if i cant get my appointment brought forward.

LondonSuperTrooper Mon 21-Oct-13 12:57:48

Tigs I am so sorry. I hope that it'll beover for yur quickly so that you can recover and move on - not easy though. It took me 6 months to get my head around the miscarriage and to even think about TTC agaqin.

Kat which hospital appt are you referring to? I got my 3+ on cleablue when I was 5+5... maybe you are testing too early for it? Or even better, ditch the tests!

As for me, I'm off soon to have my scan. I hope that the beanie has grown and hanging in there.

LondonSuperTrooper Mon 21-Oct-13 12:58:23

Tanny how did you get this morning at the EPU?

tannyLoo72 Mon 21-Oct-13 13:05:53

So sorry tigs. You must be heartbroken.

However much we try to tell ourselves that its all over, somehow someone else doing it gives it a level of finality.

I went to EPU this morning (kat here we can self refer and just turn up) and saw obs/gyne who agreed with my self diagnosis. Test was definitely negative and she thinks everything seems normal for an early MC. Signed off work for a week.

Next step is to get GP appt and bloods taken for RMC referral.

Back in the saddle and all that.

pjen and tiny how are you doing? And London, nice to have you here with us.

tannyLoo72 Mon 21-Oct-13 13:07:08

London , you will let us know how your scan goes?

KatAndKit Mon 21-Oct-13 13:26:02

Appointment is to see consultant and get viability scan. Receptionists do not appear to have the foggiest what i am talking about. An early scan at 10 weeks is pointless, if it is another missed miscarriage i will be too late for medical management. Id rather find out at 7 weeks and take the pills. Not allowed to self refer here and epu strict on that.

TinyTear Mon 21-Oct-13 13:26:18

London hope you get good news... otherwise this thread is jinxed

I am hanging in here. Nothing will be known until Friday and if I hadn't had the scan I wouldn't know anything was wrong as there is no bleeding...

but now have knicker watch doubled as I know it can happen at any time...

tannyLoo72 Mon 21-Oct-13 13:37:35

kat that's really crap! Forums like this really expose how much of a postcode lottery it is. So far everything here seems pretty straightforward, but not counting any chickens just in case (sorry for the reproduction humour!)

PJen Mon 21-Oct-13 14:28:02

Tigs and Tanny I am so sorry for your losses. sad I know no matter what I say your broken heart needs the time to recover. Be kind to yourselves.

London Good luck!!
I am still heavily bleeding. I have an appointment today afternoon (I am GMT-5; so your night time) to see if things are okay. DH is not in town and I am not sure if I want to go alone. Last MC he was travelling and I went to the US alone and then I drove back to work 45 minutes while crying loudly in the car. I am not sure if I am up for it. I really break down if it is an MC since we did 3 IVFs and have spent a fortune on this. Besides, this was our last try as we are moving and need our money for other things. Specially that DH is gone till Friday and for a whole week, I don't have anyone to help me with DC1. This way, I still have a bit tiny hope that keeps me going. I am not sure if I will go today. I think I prefer to postpone it to Friday afternoon. Haven't decided yet. Will let you guys know how my decision goes.

tannyLoo72 Mon 21-Oct-13 16:00:13

Oh pjen my heart goes out to you. What a horrible time to be on your own. If virtual hand holding helps, we're all here for you!

I don't think you're wanting advice from us, you're a big girl, but my empathetic response is that if I was in your shoes I would want to wait until I didn't have to do it alone.

I so admire your determination to keep going and your fight to get through.

Hugs biscuit and tea brew from me...

LondonSuperTrooper Mon 21-Oct-13 16:29:30

Jen I echo what Tanny said. I'd wait till your hubby gets back from his business trip.

Tiny hang in there and look after yourself in this difficult time.

Also, ladies please accept my apologies for of the spelling errors - i'm on the phone and I always struggle!

SarahAnderson Mon 21-Oct-13 16:35:03

What does this 'bus' thing mean? I have a due date in June. Sorry if this is silly question but I looked and looked for an explanation and couldn't find one!

Penguinita Mon 21-Oct-13 17:48:37

Hi sarah, you probably want to join the regular June bus for ladies expecting babies in June, link is here. This thread is for those of us with recurrent miscarriage worries, so I hope you are lucky enough not to be in our club ! link

Penguinita Mon 21-Oct-13 17:53:39

So sorry to hear that tigs. Look after yourself flowers

Pjen it is very understandable that you don't want to go on your own! how scary and horrible, nobody should have to go through that alone. Have you thought about asking a close friend or another relative to go with you?

Here's hoping that london or I have some positive news at our scans today/tomorrow or this thread really is jinxed! thlshock I've been feeling really sick today so I hope that is a good sign...

Penguinita Mon 21-Oct-13 17:55:29

katandkit forgot to say that I had a 2-3 on CB digi at 5+1, it had gone up to 3+ at 5+6 so try not to panic too much, I'm sure it is all fine!

LondonSuperTrooper Mon 21-Oct-13 18:40:26

Hello all,

I had my scan and I'm measuring very small for my dates. But..... I saw the heartbeat!

I didn't want to post when I got back as I know that a few of us are going through a difficult period right now. I'm thinking of you all and wishing you a speedy journey through this difficult time.

Penguin best of luck with your scan tomorrow.

CarrotCakeMuffins Mon 21-Oct-13 18:45:17

Yay for london. Seems we are not all jinxed after all!
So penguin tomorrow and me on Wed, FX for some more good news.

Penguinita Mon 21-Oct-13 19:25:43

Aww, lovely news london, congratulations! Here's hoping this is the turning point.

tannyLoo72 Mon 21-Oct-13 19:34:48

London that's great news! You must be so relieved to get to this stage.

We need to celebrate and commiserate on this bus I think. The regular June bus isn't short on celebration, but I like the honesty and mix on this one much more, and would have wanted to stay even if everything was going to plan...

PJen Mon 21-Oct-13 19:52:00

Oh I am so happy for you London!!! Excellent news!!! Exactly what our thread needed to be about more cheerful!! :D

Thank you so much Tanny, London and pen for your beautiful words. We came here two years ago and moved for work. I know a lot of nice people but have no close friends to share such a thing with. I talked with DH and we decided to wait till he is back. smile I feel better making a decision. smile

PJen Mon 21-Oct-13 19:53:49

pen good luck for your scan tomorrow!!!

tannyLoo72 Mon 21-Oct-13 20:29:32

Yes, good luck tomorrow penguinita and good luck on Wednesday carrot. Fingers and toes firmly crossed!

tannyLoo72 Mon 21-Oct-13 20:33:15

pjen glad to hear you're waiting. thanks

MrsExcited Mon 21-Oct-13 20:40:04

Late joiner and haven't got through all the posts.

Got a bfp on thurs(16th) but am now slying in hospital with possible ectopic and bleeding. Don't know if little bean is sticking or not.

Feeling sorry for myself

MrsExcited Mon 21-Oct-13 20:49:25

Judt wanted to add that if this turns out to be mc willbe onlymy second so might not qualify!! Mmc in march this year. This pregcame about from clomid that was trying to restart periods after various other attempts failed.

CarrotCakeMuffins Mon 21-Oct-13 22:06:14

Welcome excited you are very welcome on this thread. And you are allowed to feel sorry for yourself.

LondonSuperTrooper Tue 22-Oct-13 05:21:43

Thanks Tanny & Pjen. I'm feeling a little relieved but not fully accepted that everything is OK. My DH gave me a good telling off and said that I should stop worrying and start to enjoy the pregnancy. He can't grasp the fact that I'm riddled with fear for things going wrong and that I'm very paranoid that I do not have MS and do no feel pregnant! My only symptom is bloatness ( is there such a word?!)

Pjen I'm pleased that you are waiting. It'd be great to have support. Hang in there!

Penguin best of luck with your scan.

Excited welcome and you are in the right place if you are looking for support. We have really lovely ladies on this thread.

IBelieveInEngels Tue 22-Oct-13 06:20:36

Hi ladies,

I hope you don't mind me popping in. I haven't caught up on what I've missed. I'm really confused.

I had what I thought was a mc last Tuesday at 6+1. No EPU here so rang mw who agreed it sounded like a mc but to take another test in a week and call them.

Have just taken a test and it's positive - line was stronger than the last time I tested at 5w.

Don't know whether I should get my hopes up. Perhaps I tested too soon and the hormones are still present? With my last mc I tested 2 weeks after the bleeding and got a bfn.

Will give mw a call today and see what they say. They may ask me to come in, or wait another week (the Dutch are a bit laid back so half expecting the latter!).

TinyTear Tue 22-Oct-13 06:47:03

Wecome excited, hope you are not having an ectopic

Engels would they send you for a scan? That would be the best way to make sure, or check the hcg two days apart. otherwise you just won't know...

PJen good decision to wait. I have gone alone to all my mc scans, but that is because i didn't want my husband to have the bad scan association, silly, but i cope alone

london heartbeat! that generally improves your chances quite a lot. good luck!!

tannyLoo72 Tue 22-Oct-13 06:51:16

Engles oh my! Go and see your mw asap! That sounds like you might have a sticky. And a tenacious one at that!

How exciting! grin

TinyTear Tue 22-Oct-13 09:28:52

Even though Friday after the scan I phoned to cancel it all, I just had a call to say I was late for my booking appointment.

If I was in my first mc I would be in floods of tears here at work...

can one department pass on the info to the other department?

IBelieveInEngels Tue 22-Oct-13 09:42:43

Just spoke to mw on the emergency number which she told me to phone and she's going to email me an appointment for this week for an echo to see what's going on. I'm trying not to get my hopes up as I've done my grieving for this bean and don't want to have to grieve for it again (iyswim).

I'm sorry I still haven't caught up on what's been happening with you all. At work in between lessons right nowand just about to head back into the classroom (forced myself to finish my set of marking before I phoned mw as I knew I'd be too distracted once I'd spoken to her and straight on MN ).

IBelieveInEngels Tue 22-Oct-13 09:50:37

Tigs , Tiny and tanny thanks So sorry to read your posts sad

IBelieveInEngels Tue 22-Oct-13 13:55:12

Tiny how insensitive sad I hear so many stories like this. It's so heartbreaking.

Have heard back from mw and I have a scan on Thursday lunchtime which means DH will be able to come with me.

TinyTear Tue 22-Oct-13 14:08:07

Fingers crossed for you Engels!

PJen Tue 22-Oct-13 16:04:18

Tiny when I was pregnant with DC1 in London, the same happened to me couple of times. They would call while I had gone earlier for bleeding to EPU and EPU lady told me to not come for the scheduled scan as it is not necessary. LOL. Here my ob gyn has a scan in her office so I don't have to go to hospital and they can scan me till the end (although we are moving back to Europe) and it is much much better to deal with one ultrasound tech throughout.

Engles I am happy to see you back!! You might just have had a SCH. They are very very common and I am hoping that I have one too. smile Is your bleeding gone? Are you still spotting? Is Echo the dutch word for ultrasound?

London unfortunately once you have had one miscarriage the nativity that allows you to enjoy pregnancy will be gone for good. Having said that being worried doesn't help the little bean you have as stress hormones are not good. I try to brush the negative thoughts from my brain when they come and not allow them to nest there. It is what it is and I keep repeating to myself : "there is nothing I can do to help if the babies are not sticky". I have done everything I can. I even spent over 10000 USD out of pocket to a famous repeat miscarriage Dr in California to ensure I have been tested for everything possible on the earth. I am taking multiple medications daily to avoid miscarriage. There is nothing else I can do and this allows me to calm down in a strange way.

Tiny you are a strong woman smile I used to go alone too as DH is never in town but I got very depressed after the last miscarriage for couple of weeks and he wasn't around. The feeling was so bad that I don't want to feel it ever again alone.

Welcome excited. I do pray that it is not ectopic. Let us know how it goes.


IBelieveInEngels Tue 22-Oct-13 17:23:07

What's SCH? Yep an echo is an ultrasound. I honestly don't realise I'm doing it but having only ever been pg and had a baby in the Netherlands sometimes I can't find the right words in English. Bleeding was red and steady throughout last Tuesday, then slowed Wed/Thurs and was more brown than red. A few more spots over the weekend and now nothing.

I have been driving dh crazy this evening with symptom spotting and what ifs. Still getting positive pg tests but of course, doesn't mean anything as could take weeks for hcg to leave my system.

All I can do iswait till Thursdzy and at least then I'll know one way or the other.

PJen Tue 22-Oct-13 17:40:58

Subchorionic Hemorrhage: Bleeding during pregnancy that doesn't necessary mean miscarriage. emedicine.medscape.com/article/404971-overview

PJen Tue 22-Oct-13 17:42:38

another link:

PJen Tue 22-Oct-13 17:44:53

Anyway take it slow as with SCH that is what Drs advise here. SCH can get worse with increased activity or heavy lifting so they recommend here to take it easy. Some women with large SCHs close to baby go on bed rest. They are very common. I had one with my DC1 in first trimester and ran to EPU with bleeding (I was 6 or 7 weeks) and they told me I had a SCH.

TinyTear Tue 22-Oct-13 19:56:02

Fingers crossed firmly for you all who are due scans. I hope there are good news.

I'm not sure strong is the right word but just stupidly independent.

LadyGoneGaga Tue 22-Oct-13 22:03:28

Just sticking my head in from the other June thread, just to say I really hope you get good news on Thursday Engels. What a roller coaster of emotions for you. FWIW I had bleeding with my son which stopped (never explained) and he's now 5. Good luck.

IBelieveInEngels Tue 22-Oct-13 22:11:08

Thank you ladies. Just have to get through the next 36 hours. Good job I have a full day of teaching tomorrow grin

Penguinita Tue 22-Oct-13 22:30:01

Hi all, just wanted to share the good news that my scan all went well, little bean with a heartbeat measuring 8+3, exactly as it should. I think I'm still in shock. I've never made it this far before.

Good luck to carrot tomorrow and engels on Thursday for your scans.

So sorry to hear about the crap you are having to put up with tiny, how insensitive.

excited hope that you are well and it wasn't an ectopic flowers

tannyLoo72 Tue 22-Oct-13 23:05:35

We're having all levels of Shitsville this week here, so Pen that makes me so happy!

Things are looking up on this bus...

PJen Wed 23-Oct-13 00:16:06

pen I am relieved to hear this smile

IBelieveInEngels Wed 23-Oct-13 06:24:12

Great news pen

TinyTear Wed 23-Oct-13 06:41:33

Hooray penguinita good news!!!

happy for you!!

KatAndKit Wed 23-Oct-13 07:20:26

Woo hoo! Great news penguinita so pleased for you!

tannyLoo72 Wed 23-Oct-13 08:31:19

Good luck today*carrot*. Fingers crossed!

tannyLoo72 Wed 23-Oct-13 08:37:34

tigs how are you? Been thinking about you, and hope you're ok.

CarrotCakeMuffins Wed 23-Oct-13 09:39:53

Fantastic news penguin. I had been looking out for your post & was starting to worry.

I'm in this afternoon... Will update this evening.

LondonSuperTrooper Wed 23-Oct-13 09:42:42

Great news Pen

Tigs you've been quiet. I hope that you are OK.

Good luck with your scan Carrot

Nothing new at my end. Still getting up between 2-3am and unable to go back to sleep. I have a deadline at work so I'll try and stick it out with work. If next week is the same I think I'll take sick leave. I'm absolutely shattered & not functioning at all sad

Does anyone know how to get signed sick leave from GP/ midwife?

TinyTear Wed 23-Oct-13 09:44:23

No idea London, but I want to get a week as well after friday if I need an ERPC I want time to get my head in order

IBelieveInEngels Wed 23-Oct-13 09:51:40

Good luck carrot. fx for you.

I really can't concentrate at school today. Absolutely shattered. Am being a bit less hands on with my classes (They should always be working harder than me during lesson time anyway grin )

I want a time machine.

tannyLoo72 Wed 23-Oct-13 09:53:35

I got one at EPU on Monday. She asked if I needed one, and how long I wanted off. GP should do the same, and it's fine to ask for one. I don't know about mw though. I think it has to be a dr?

LadyGoneGaga Wed 23-Oct-13 09:56:19

London and Tiny you just need to go and see your GP, talk through the problems and hopefully they will be sympathetic and sign you off. But you can self-certify for up to a week so if you only need a week then do that and you can always see the Doc if you feel you need to extend. My Doctor signed me off yesterday. I've been suffering from awful headaches for a good few weeks (pre-dating the pregnancy) but the pregnancy has exacerbated them to the point I am struggling to function at work. Add a pissy boss and pregnancy hormones and I spent most of Monday afternoon crying in the toilets at work. So she's signed me off for effectively a week and a half to see if that breaks the cycle of stress and headache. If not wil have to see a specialist as not allowed the drugs they would usually give. I haven't told my boss I'm pregnant as for some reason I feel very private about this pregnancy and have only told DH. I did mention to HR though as a protective measure.

Waves at Kat - you may have noticed me around. I'm keeping things on the downlow at the mo as a bit anxious so would be grateful if you don't mention outside of here. Congratulations by the way, glad all seems well so far.

For everyone else I've sort of been lurking here. I'm not a recurrent mc'er but did have one between DS and DD and have Anti-Thyroid Antibodies so taking low-dose aspirin as a precaution. I'm trying to be optimistic but I am still anxious especially as am 35 now and risks of stuff seems to increase a bit. Hope you don't mind me posting.

KatAndKit Wed 23-Oct-13 10:08:32

Hello ladygonegaga i did notice you whilst lurking on the main June thread, assumed you were keeping it quiet from the rest of the internet. Totally understandable. Congratulations too! Hope your headaches improve soon

CarrotCakeMuffins Wed 23-Oct-13 16:11:13

Big smile and a few tears...

Good scan at the EPU this afternoon. Tiny blob with a heartbeat measuring 7+4 so 2 days bigger than expected.

They gave me a photo!

And offered another scan in 2 weeks.

Result all round.

So the good news this week continues after all of last week's bad news.
FX for Engels tomorrow.

Penguinita Wed 23-Oct-13 16:52:34

Hip hip hooray carrot! I'm so pleased for you!

IBelieveInEngels Wed 23-Oct-13 17:55:28

Fantastic news carrot smile So pleased for you!

tigsnchar1 Wed 23-Oct-13 18:52:34

Tanny and London, thank you for thinking of me. I've been steering clear so as not to bring everyone down! This is taking a little while to sort out - went back to hospital today for some more 'assistance' to move things along. The actual MC was in hospital on Monday but the rest is taking a bit of shifting.

I'm frustrated at feeling poorly with this. I need to be at work but still in pain and frequently dizzy so I can't. Hospital have done what they can but don't have a time machine so I've just got to get on with it. Haven't confessed to work yet, just said it was gynae issues, as they'll be horrid once they know we are trying for another.

Not too bad emotionally but bit jealous if I'm honest of pregnant ladies, which is ridiculous and I hate myself for. blush It will pass. And despite my childishness I do still hope that all your pregnancies progress beautifully!


TinyTear Wed 23-Oct-13 19:34:20

Good news carrot so happy for you!!

KatAndKit Wed 23-Oct-13 22:25:30

tigs sorry it is taking so long to be resolved. Hope it is all over for you soon

carrot congratulations on the great scan news, you must be over the moon.

i have at lastgot the 3+ on the clear blue, so no more stick pissing for me. It is a few days later than it ought to have been but when i took the test apart i saw the darkest lines ever so trying to be reassured. Got midwife appointment and consultant in a months time but still no bloody viability scan. Will have to beg gp next week. Do not want to do booking in and then miscarry, hate still having the notes and having due date worked out.

tannyLoo72 Wed 23-Oct-13 23:29:19

tigs so sorry you're going through this. It sounds like you're really going through it. Thanks for being so honest, I feel jealous too. Part of the process I suppose. I know how hard it must be to be on the other side too...

I feel guilty about the amount of time I'm taking off work, but Woman's Hour, the cat, the washing machine and a fb message all had me in floods of tears today. I don't know how much good I would do there at the momentsad.

carrot so pleased for you and although I am jealous as hell, you give me hopewink!

PJen Thu 24-Oct-13 01:15:14

Tigs sorry to hear you are going through this sad please don't feel you need to stay quiet. We are here to support each other and to be able to talk freely.
Tanny take as long as you need. sad be kind to yourself. It is tough.

Carrot I am so pleased that your little bean is measuring ahead. smile what a great news.

Engels good luck for your "echo" tomorrow smile

Tiny are you going in tomorrow morning or afternoon? I do hope the best for you. I know you are not positive but I hope they were wrong. I will check tomorrow to see if there are any news from you and Engels.

Kat glad that you got your 3+.

Waving to anyone else I have missed.


TinyTear Thu 24-Oct-13 08:35:49

It's tomorrow morning PJen. Although the EPU is in an internet and mobile signal blackspot, I will try and update when I can...

And I heard someone from my Feb 12 group went to her 20w scan and her baby had died.
At least I am grateful (?) that my losses were all early ones...

LondonSuperTrooper Thu 24-Oct-13 09:35:45

Tigs hang in there. What you are feeling is completely natural.

Carrott not sure whether I've said congratulations or not? Anyhow, great news and it's fab that the beanie is measuring bigger than anticipated.

Tiny best of luck for tomorrow. And how utterly devastating to lose the baby at 20 weeks sad

LadyGoneGaga Thu 24-Oct-13 11:06:54

Kat good news on your 3 plus. Could you book a private scan? I've just booked one for 7 weeks as am a basketcase. It's only 50 quid - in Hinckley which might be within distnace for you?

Good luck for tomorrow, Tiny. Am hoping for you.

What the others said, Tigs. You're bound to feel like that, it's not childish at all and is part of you grieving for your loss. After my mc I just so desperately wanted to be pg again.

KatAndKit Thu 24-Oct-13 11:47:06

If i have no luck with the gp i will go private but am hoping he or she will just refer me. Bizarrely the midwives are no longer allowed to refer patients, has to be a doctor. Ridiculous system. No point before seven weeks though as if it isn't good then ill only end up having the horrid two week wait for a rescan. If its an empty sac sort of mc they should be able to call it at seven weeks and if viable there will be a heartbeat.

LadyGoneGaga Thu 24-Oct-13 12:06:32

Fingers crosed they will. We are using these people if you need to go private, http://www.tummy2mummymidwiferyservices.co.uk/index.php/contact-us. They won't scan before 7 weeks anyway. So have booked for when I am 7+1!

IBelieveInEngels Thu 24-Oct-13 14:42:22

Hi everyone.

Definitely mc. Mw scanned me and said she couldn't see anything, but sent me to hospital for an ultrasound and to get my bloods checked. Low hcg and gynacologist couldn't see anything either. Have to go and get blood checked again next week. Have never had so many different people look at my fanjo in one day grin

Well, will be trying again after my next period (was lucky for us last time round with ds) so hope that I'll be seeing you all on the ante-natal boards again soon. Thank you so much for your support. MN is wonderful thanks

TinyTear Thu 24-Oct-13 14:52:31

Aw Engels pity...

Good luck for the next cycle, I might join you...

LadyGoneGaga Thu 24-Oct-13 15:23:01

So sorry, Engels. I hope your body settles down quickly so you can try again. We got pregnant with DD the cycle after a miscarriage (so only one period) and I'm sure it's because your body is all geared up for it.

CarrotCakeMuffins Thu 24-Oct-13 18:04:24

Engels I am so very sorry it was bad news.
Sending lots of thanks

tannyLoo72 Thu 24-Oct-13 20:06:36

What a roller coaster, Engles, you poor thing! sad

Thinking of you. thanks

tigsnchar1 Thu 24-Oct-13 20:17:36

You ladies are wonderful and generous. Lots of love to those in my position or in the awful uncertain stage, and also massive congratulations to those doing well. Just because I want a baby doesn't stop me being happy for you - this is a very specific form of jealousy!

I also feel like everyone who happens to have walked within 5 feet of me has had a good look and a poke. Ugh!

Thank you for all the good wishes, and sending you all lots of luck.

PJen Thu 24-Oct-13 21:24:57

awww Engels I am so sorry to see you go. sad Did they check your tubes to ensure it is not god forbid tubal? Good luck with trying and I do hope to see you back on this side in couple of weeks.

PJen Thu 24-Oct-13 21:26:03

Tiny How did your scan go? How are you doing?

PJen Fri 25-Oct-13 01:50:40

Oh god Tiny. I am so in an another world. I thought today was Friday till now. I can't believe I have to go to work tomorrow. I was so ready for weekend. sad

Penguinita Fri 25-Oct-13 05:40:58

So sorry to hear that engels. sad But at least you are keeping your sense of humour, hopefully you can save your fanjo for your oh from now on grin

Will be thinking of you today tiny and checking in for news.

I've been up since 4am thanks to pg bladder, not that I'm complaining. Wondering how much cleaning I can get done without waking DH smile

TinyTear Fri 25-Oct-13 07:58:27

Thanks all, a couple of hours to go...

Bless my husband he didn't realise the size difference was so much (5w is 3mm 8 w should have been 1.5cm) and was still thinking it could have been a difference in measurement.

I just want closure today. I have been grieving this baby for the past week...

IBelieveInEngels Fri 25-Oct-13 09:00:05

Will be thinking of you today Tiny thanks

It is my resolution to keep my fanjo between me and DH for the rest of 2013 penguinita grin

Yep, they check tubes to make sure it wasn't ectopic PJen . Told me to come in straight away if I have any stomach pains.

Thanks for all the good wishes. tigs said it much better than I could. That's exactly the word I was looking for - generous . I have hidden the regular June bus for now as I don't want to see it in my threads I'm on every day (though I may pop back to say hi once in a while), but I won't hide you ladies. You've all been so supportive, it really does make a massive difference.

I'm still struggling with crippling tiredness which I think is either the fact that I still have some pg hormones going on, or just the emotional and physical toll of the last few days - the stress, the worry. Not at work now till Tuesday so have the weekend to get my head together before heading back into the classroom. Didn't tell any of my colleagues what was going on (apart from one but she was on leave for most of the week so only managed a quick catch up yesterday before I left for my appointment). My headteacher and one or two other colleagues knew I had a medical appt/scan but not what for (though I'm guessing they can put 2 and 2 together).

Just waiting for my mum to skype me. May tell her - not sure. ILs know as they looked after DS so DH could come with me yesterday afternoon, though initially he told them he had a doctor's appointment. We dropped my car home though on the way to the hospital from mw though so they knew something was up.

I guess I need to focus on the here and now for a little while since we won't be trying again till after AF arrives (3 weeks if my last mc was anything to go by, but who knows!). Doing a 15k race in 3 weeks (and am seriously behind in training), have lots of school work to crack on with and DS is super cute at the moment (plus a few tantrums here and there!).

tannyLoo72 Fri 25-Oct-13 09:04:06

Tiny obviously tons of love and good luck for this morning.

Jen when is your scan? You must be pleased to get DH back today.

Tigs I agree, the support here has been lovely.

Engles I hope you're doing ok and taking it easy.

Everyone else, hello! Such a lot happening at the moment...

I have a GP appt this morning, as I'm still experiencing nausea, headaches and dizziness. I have some weird discharge (sorry TMI) and just want to be better now. I will aso be asking for a rmc referral and a sick note. All in 3 minutes!

TinyTear Fri 25-Oct-13 11:32:25

Hello all
Scan confirmed the miscarriage. baby had grown by less than 1mm.
But as my body is hanging on I opted for surgical management so have my ERPC booked for Wednesday.

Good luck Jen for this afternoon.

I have also hidden the regular June thread but will keep on here hoping for more good news...

How was your appointment this morning tanny?

And wine and cake for everyone. you have been great support

IBelieveInEngels Fri 25-Oct-13 11:44:01

Sorry to hear that Tiny but 'glad' (not the right word but..) that you can start looking forward again soon. x

PJen Fri 25-Oct-13 13:00:58

Very sad Tiny to hea that. sad good luck to trying again and may this be your last mc.

I don't have a scan this afternoon. I'm going to see my Gp on Monday and ask for referral to a maternal fetal medicine unit that saw me during one of my previous miscarriages. I liked the specialist and the location is very good to me. my usual ob gyn is 45-60 mins drive and with work I have to take a half day off for each scan. I will ask Gp for a scan on Monday and I'm sure he will give me one. My Gp is lovely. smile

LadyGoneGaga Fri 25-Oct-13 13:15:13

So sorry, Tiny. All the best for future trying.

TinyTear Fri 25-Oct-13 13:26:33

Thanks everyone!

Ah sorry Jen, misunderstood! good luck for Monday then

hackneybird Fri 25-Oct-13 15:48:07

Thinking of you tiny and engels.

Congrats penguinita and carrot.

I have a scan on Monday at lunchtime when I will be 7+3. Not holding out much hope as I am starting to feel suspiciously 'well'. DH and I had a horrendous row as well this morning, I have been on such a short fuse lately.sad.

LondonSuperTrooper Fri 25-Oct-13 15:48:40

Tiny, so sorry to read your sad news. I'm thinking of you. Keep strong!

CarrotCakeMuffins Fri 25-Oct-13 17:39:20

Tiny very sorry to hear your news.
Sending you lots of thanks and cake

Penguinita Fri 25-Oct-13 17:47:09

So sorry to hear that tiny. At least you now have a definite answer and a plan to move on. Make sure you give yourself plenty of wine and cake this weekend, you deserve it.

TinyTear Fri 25-Oct-13 18:11:11

hell yes! it's my husband's birthday tomorrow so won;t need an excuse not to drink!

tigsnchar1 Fri 25-Oct-13 20:57:42

Sorry to hear your news, Tiny, difficult times.

On the brighter side I hope to see you and the other lovely ladies back here in a couple of months!

KatAndKit Sun 27-Oct-13 07:26:46

Sorry to hear it was bad news tiny wishing you all the best for trying again.

i am also feeling suspiciously well. I had nausea for a couple of days but it seems to be better now. No sore boobs, only tiredness, and that could be explained by poorly toddler. Hmmm. Only six weeks so epu here wont scan for two more weeks. Am getting so anxious. Gaaaah. Feels like my life is on hold.

LondonSuperTrooper Sun 27-Oct-13 13:17:00

Hi everyone. Hope that you are all having a restful weekend. Mine is utterly rubbish- I've started bleeding about 2 hrs ago sad I can't stop crying. I'm going to try and get a referral to the EPU for a scan. Tomorrow can't come soon enough!

LadyGoneGaga Sun 27-Oct-13 13:53:26

sad London. Hopefully it's not sinister and the EPU will see you quickly. Thinking of you.

tannyLoo72 Sun 27-Oct-13 14:02:21

Hi London, here was me thinking it was a quiet weekend on here sad .

Really hope it's just a bleed, and EPU can put your mind at rest. Big big hugs.

Thinking about you and Jen tomorrow x

I'm ok. My mojo has come back with a vengeance, might be ovulating. Eek!

TinyTear Sun 27-Oct-13 15:53:02

London, hope ti's not a bad bleed. as i said before, a friend from Feb 12 just had a lovely girl last week and had MASSIVE bleeds at 7 or 8 weeks (which was her losing a twin it seems) and the girl is thriving...

On the other hand I know my baby is not viable and haven't bled since spotting at 4w...

wooo tanny get going! grin

LondonSuperTrooper Sun 27-Oct-13 16:02:43

Thank you Lady & Tanny I've already rang the EPU but it's not manned at the weekend. Hopefully the midwife will ring me back with a scan date.

Tanny glad that you've got your mojo back ;)

Jen good luck!

lucyfluff Sun 27-Oct-13 16:24:17

Good luck London thinking of you smile x

KatAndKit Sun 27-Oct-13 16:55:49

Oh crap london you must be so worried. I have bled in every pregnancy ive had. I bled more in the one that resulted in an actual baby. Hope it is just a light bleec and you can get answers soon.

CarrotCakeMuffins Sun 27-Oct-13 17:06:22

FX for you London. Hope you get a scan tomorrow.

IBelieveInEngels Sun 27-Oct-13 18:04:07

Fx for you london

PJen Mon 28-Oct-13 11:40:59

Good luck London

TinyTear Mon 28-Oct-13 11:43:28

Good luck with your appointments today PJen and London

LondonSuperTrooper Mon 28-Oct-13 14:50:00

Thank you all so much. I've heard from the midwife. Unfortunately all scan appointments are taken. The earliest appointment that's available is Wednesday afternoon. I'm not holding out for good news as my bleeding is a little bit heavier now. I just can't face another scan on my own with bad news again. My DH is working and can't get time off on such short notice sad

Pjen have you had your scan yet?

IBelieveInEngels Mon 28-Oct-13 14:53:08

How agonizing london Is there anyone else who can come with you?

TinyTear Mon 28-Oct-13 15:00:21

How terrible! You'd think they would be able to fit you in as an emergency. we aren't talking a normal 'take a picture' scan...

what is your local hospital, could you pop to a& e and ask to get scanned? or would they just send you back to wait till wednesday?

Bakingtins Mon 28-Oct-13 15:00:28

Hello! Can I join? I've had 4 Mc, 3 of which were in the last year trying for our third child. Prof Quenby has diagnosed me with High NK cells and I'm now 8+4 on pred, clexane and progesterone. I had a positive 8 week scan last week and have another one on Thursday. I recognise Tiny from the RMC testing thread on the miscarriage board and she suggested I pop over. I said I wasn't brave enough for the big June bus but didn't realise there was an RMC one.
I'm at home mumsnetting today because I fainted this morning, so will have a chance to catch up with the thread. I hope it's a very uneventfull ride for us all.

LondonSuperTrooper Mon 28-Oct-13 15:09:49

No my parents live 40miles away and they are looking after my DS for a few days over the half term.

I'm currently at work but it's the last place that I want to be. What is the general advice when one's bleeding? Are you meant to rest or carry on as normal? My sister was signed off for 6 weeks but I'm aware that all GPs and medical advice is different.

TinyTear Mon 28-Oct-13 15:14:26

Hello Baking, welcome

London last time I carried on as normal... I was young(er) and stupid... This time I have been coming to work but after the ERPC on wednesday will take at least thursday and friday off sick

it's up to the individual... some times i feel better getting normality in my life - like work... other times I want to be away...

LondonSuperTrooper Mon 28-Oct-13 15:30:50

Welcome Baking.

Thanks got your advice Tiny. If I'm miscarrying then I'm definitely taking time off from work. My head is all over the place sad

Tiny, have you had your ERPC yet?

Bakingtins Mon 28-Oct-13 15:33:04

Ok, so now I've read the thread and see it has already been far from a smooth ride. Sorry, foot in mouth syndrome.

london I would rest if you can. I don't think there is any evidence to say it makes a difference, but it will remove a "what if?" question if you know you gave your body the best chance for things to settle. I would think it is very hard to concentrate at work until you know what is going on anyway?

For those of you covered in bruises, I had a horrendous one the first time I injected clexane (I think Fragmin is the same thing?) but have got on much better after advice on here to ice the area before and after injecting, stretch the skin out rather than pinch up a fold, and expel the air from the syringe before injecting. I now sometimes get a 2mm bruise at the needle site as opposed to a massive 3cm one that took weeks to fade.

TinyTear Mon 28-Oct-13 15:49:27

London, it's on Wednesday morning. they had another booked for today and don't do them on tuesdays.

But I shall keep you all updated and while I am not staying in the main thread, i want to stick here and wish you all the best outcome

- selfishly I sometimes resent people who have an easy ride, but do rejoice in people who know how hard it is having good pregnancies!

I had clexane for a week after my c-section and can't remember the bruises... maybe I was still too numb from all the epiudural and drugs it all wore off a bit...

lucyfluff Mon 28-Oct-13 16:00:27

London...what a crappy situ to be in...you poor thing. Hugs to you. Keep us updated Im still peeking in now and then.

Tiny hugs for later on in the week with the ERPC too smile

hackneybird Mon 28-Oct-13 16:29:58

Tiny I also sometimes resent people that I perceive to have had an easy ride too. 'How can these people just have one or more babies so easily?' I mutter to myself.

Then I think about all the many women I know who have experience tragedy and know it's often not like that.

Thinking of you London.

Penguinita Mon 28-Oct-13 17:57:45

Welcome tins, dont I know you from somewhere? grin

So sorry to hear what you are going through london, the waiting must just be agony. I think it is up to you whether you take time off work, but if you carry on then make sure you have big sanitary pads and some painkillers in your handbag, and a quick way to get home. I started to MC when abroad, was fine for three days and carried on sightseeing. But then it kicked in big style suddenly and all I could do was curl up on the bed/bathroom floor and groan. You don't want to be stuck at work if that happens. Keeping everything crossed for you flowers

Bakingtins Mon 28-Oct-13 19:03:16

Yes! The general pregnancy after MC thread.

LondonSuperTrooper Tue 29-Oct-13 00:23:35

Thank you all. I've got maternity pads and will buy painkillers on the way to work. I think that I am miscarrying now. The full ache/ pain combined with the red blood ( and some clots) confirmed it for me. I'm gutted sad I made it 1.5 week further than my last miscarriage.

I'm going into work tomorrow as I have several meetings lined up. I'll clear my schedule and will most likely take the rest of the week off.

LondonSuperTrooper Tue 29-Oct-13 00:26:05

And what is with men and denial? My DH keeps having a go at me for not being positive and I'm like "well I am in pain and bleeding!" So he just ordered me to rest this evening in the hope that beanie stays put confused

Bakingtins Tue 29-Oct-13 06:25:28

london I am so sorry. Do you really need to go to work? They will manage, you need to put yourself first.

tannyLoo72 Tue 29-Oct-13 06:59:23

I agree. London you need to look after yourself, your body needs rest so it can do what it needs to, and you need time to grieve. sad

I know everyone is different, and I don't know about your work, but be kind to yourself. thanks

Hope it goes ok.

tannyLoo72 Tue 29-Oct-13 07:01:12

Jen, how are you? What happened yesterday?

Penguinita Tue 29-Oct-13 08:26:09

So sorry to hear that london. It must be so hard to get further than last time and have it happen all over again. Reading back, I see you had a scan and saw a HB too, which must make it even harder. Sending you <hugs> and flowers

Hee hee hi tins <waves>. We have had a lot of sad news here on this thread but it is a great support. I like the pg after MC thread but I can't quite imagine ever being ready to drop like some of them are, so it is nice to be here too with some like minded ladies! smile

TinyTear Tue 29-Oct-13 08:39:17

london do finish off loose ends but then take time off and relax... today I am finishing off some projects but then will be off the rest of the week, at least

Jen weren't you having a scan yesterday? any news?

LondonSuperTrooper Tue 29-Oct-13 09:30:18

Thanks for the support. I'm actually at home right now. Couldn't face going into work- I was up till 5am this morning and was feeling shattered.

Thanks again.

seatfor5 Tue 29-Oct-13 14:03:53

I cant really join the group as I have only had one MC at 6 weeks so not really recurring although I have started bleeding a little this time and have a scan at the EPU booked for 3.15 today so really scared! I just wanted to say my thoughts are with you London, and Pjen I do hope your all ok.

hackneybird Tue 29-Oct-13 16:16:15

Just popping in to say I'm thinking of you London.

Bakingtins Tue 29-Oct-13 18:24:37

seatfor5 hope all was ok at your scan.

PJen Tue 29-Oct-13 18:29:33

seatfor5, good luck! I don't think you have to have recurrent miscarriage to be part of this team. This team is for anyone who has had issues and is going through difficult time. Anyone who has a bumpy road and needs support is welcome here.

Thanks London, Tanny and Tiny for asking about me. I had and ultrasound today and the tech didn't tell me a thing. However, I looked at the screen and saw two empty black sacs. Dr called and confirmed; dating only before 7 wks (9 and half weeks today). I am waiting for nature to do its thing for a week. If not I will think about options next week sad

tannyLoo72 Tue 29-Oct-13 18:43:52

Oh Jen that's heartbreaking. So so sorry to hear this.

I really don't know what to say, except take care and know that we're all thinking of you. thanks

Big hugs x

TinyTear Tue 29-Oct-13 19:08:44

Oh Jen so sad for you...

Sometimes nature doesn't want to do it itself... I havent' had a drop of blood since spotting at 4w...

Bakingtins Tue 29-Oct-13 19:36:22

Jen I am v sorry to hear your news. It is so crap that we have to go through this over and over again.
I haven't grasped who has had what tests or diagnosis yet. If you are embarking on that process (any of you) there is a v supportive thread on the miscarriage board for RMC testing.

LadyGoneGaga Tue 29-Oct-13 19:36:46

So sorry to hear that, Jen.

IBelieveInEngels Tue 29-Oct-13 20:24:20

Oh Jen I'm so sorry thanks

London hope you're taking care of yourself too. I think it's a different process for (some) men to go through. When I could physically feel the mc and the bleeding, it just ripped me up. DH was the same as yours, though I know he's hurting too and was just trying to support me in his own way.

seat hope your scan went well.

tiny will be thinking of you tomorrow.

Tins I didn't even know there was a mc board. Was expecting it to be in conception, but tucked away under body and soul. Don't know if I will be headin g down testing road - will all depend on what happenes next for me. This is my 2nd mc - the 1st was 2 months before I got pg with DS. Reckon it has to be 3 before you're considered as RMC? (though I'm not in UK so may be different). Sorry for babbling confused

PJen Tue 29-Oct-13 20:38:33

Thank you for all your nice words ladies. It does help to talk about it with someone and know that you are all there.

I have had any possible RMC tests on the planet, including sending my blood monthly to California for the immunology testings that are very controversial and not all doctors believe in. I will do a repeat test of the immune testings this week to see if immune attacks are too blame for loss of this pregnancy (NK cells or heightened antiphospholipid antibodies). I was on IVIG, LIT, Progesterone, Clexane, estrogen, synthroid (for mild hypothyroidism), baby aspirin, and 5 mg folic acid for this pregnancy. I feel as if I have reached the end of my way as I am not sure what to do to not miscarry again. sad

Bakingtins Tue 29-Oct-13 21:35:55

engels I think the Mc board is hidden away lest we offend the pregnant people, but there is a lot of support there. Officially you have to be 3-in-a-row to qualify for RMC testing, but there's some discretion there. I went private after 3rd MC but only 2-in-a-row, but GP did most of the testing consultant recommended which saved us a fortune.
Jen I have high NK cells too and this is my first pregnancy on steroids. I don't know what more you can do or how you decide when to call time on it. It's heartbreaking to throw everything at it and still lose.

lucyfluff Wed 30-Oct-13 07:01:02

Im so sorry pjen to hear your news pjen sad

lucyfluff Wed 30-Oct-13 07:01:45

and my typing is not making sense this early lol!!!

LondonSuperTrooper Wed 30-Oct-13 11:03:03

Jen I'm so sorry. I really don't what else that I can say as no matter what I say your heart will be breaking. Look after yourself and hopefully you'll have the support that you need.

Tiny hope everything is going to plan this morning. I'm thinking if you.

I've found the RMC bus on and I've tentatively joined the thread asking for advice. Somehow I don't think that having 2 miscarriages qualifies for any testing on the NHS but I'm 40 on Monday & I feel that time is not on my side. My DS keeps asking for a sibling and why is it that God is not listening to our prayers. I'm at a loss as to what to say to him. I'm so grateful that we didn't tell him that I'm pregnant.
Also, I'm due to have my scan at 2.30pm and I really do not want to go. I know that I'm miscarrying and do not need the scan to confirm that.

LondonSuperTrooper Wed 30-Oct-13 11:06:26

I hope that my post makes some sense. My head is sliver the place and it's hard to think clearly.

My sister in law is having her baby showe in 2 weeks time and my mum & DH think I should go. I really can't face it and they think I'm being selfish in not wanting to go... Plus it'll be rude. Am I being selfish for wallowing in my own misery? I'm happy for her but she's so blooming smug!! And I can't face it at all.

LondonSuperTrooper Wed 30-Oct-13 11:07:02

Silver should read all over!!

hackneybird Wed 30-Oct-13 11:30:20

SO, so sorry Pjen. Thinking of you.

London, I am quite shocked that your Mum and DH think it is you that is being selfish in not wanting to go to your SILs baby shower. How incredibly unfair.

LondonSuperTrooper Wed 30-Oct-13 12:11:18

Hackney I guess it's all to do with keeping up appearances & not upsetting my brother & his wife. My DH and parents are the only ones that know about the pregnancy.

Thank you for your support. It really felt like I was ring unreasonable. It's good to know that I'm not alone in thinking that.

LondonSuperTrooper Wed 30-Oct-13 12:12:40

Ring should read being. Sorry for all the typos today. I guess I'm nervous about the scan. I know it's going to be bad news given my heavy bleeding. But I'm still very nervous.

Penguinita Wed 30-Oct-13 12:41:52

Sorry to hear your sad news pjen. Sounds like you have really been through a lot so make sure you give yourself time to rest and recover emotionally before worrying too much about what to do next.

Hoping your scan will at least give you a definite diagnosis london, and maybe some hint at a cause. You are so not being selfish for avoiding the baby shower! Surely your SIL wouldn't want to force you through that and have you sitting miserable and red eyed through her happy occasion.

We had to tell our landlord and his wife that I was pg this week as they wanted to come round and paint the house, but I need to avoid the fumes. More people know now than last time around, really hoping that won't jinx it confused

PJen Wed 30-Oct-13 14:07:09

baby showers are from hell. Feel free to avoid them London.

Thank you ladies for all nice words. smile

PJen Wed 30-Oct-13 14:07:50

London good luck. I pray from bottom of my heart that you get a miracle good news.

hackneybird Wed 30-Oct-13 15:56:17

I have never been to a baby shower. I don't seem to move in those circles. Am quite pleased about that!

TinyTear Wed 30-Oct-13 17:06:33

Hi London stay strong and avoid the blasted baby shower. On my first one I had to tell someone at work I could not go and buy a baby present for a colleague as I would break down in the shop.

Had my erpc. Not till 11am and I was getting tired of waiting. Feel slightly at peace but won't go to work until Monday or Tuesday.
Now waiting for my husband to collect me , but as it was later than expected he is getting our daughter from the nursery first.

Rest day at home tomorrow.

seatfor5 Wed 30-Oct-13 18:41:08

My scan went really well baby measuring 6+6 (which agrees to fertility friend bar 1 day) and the heart is beating.

So sorry to hear your news Jen am so hoping its good news for london

Penguinita Wed 30-Oct-13 18:55:06

Lovely news seat, congratulations.

Look after yourself tiny and take it easy.

Bakingtins Wed 30-Oct-13 19:01:11

Good news, seat hope everything goes smoothly from now on.

PJen Wed 30-Oct-13 20:22:53

Lovely news seat

I know what you mean with feeling at peace Tiny sad

London where are you? I am dying from anxiety to know how your scan went. I hope it is good news and celebration that is keeping you from posting.

We need some more good news, otherwise all the new comer will run away from this thread!

IBelieveInEngels Wed 30-Oct-13 20:55:17

Tiny and london - have been thinking of you both today.

Great news seat.

LondonSuperTrooper Wed 30-Oct-13 21:33:51

No it's not good news that's keeping me silent. Scan showed that the embryo and sac have grown since last week but no beating heart. I am having a miscarriage but everything is still intact inside me.

Midwife said that as I've started bleeding to let nature take its course. I've got another scan in 10 to make sure that there is no residue etc. if there us then I'll have to have medical management whatever that is.

I had a major fight with my husband as he has gone and told my entire family about my miscarriage. I can't understand why he did it as they are not supportive. He's being an utter brat as I told him I needed some time just by myself and didn't think that this was healthy..... So he bloody toldy entire family!!!

All in all it's been a pretty shitty day. Sorry for the bad language but I haven't got the energy to sugarcoat what I'm feeling.

LondonSuperTrooper Wed 30-Oct-13 21:34:38

Seat, good news on your scan. You must be thrilled. Wishing you a healthy and successful pregnancy.

LondonSuperTrooper Wed 30-Oct-13 21:37:43

Forgot to share my good news. I'm bring referred to the RMC clinic. So hopefully I can start getting some answers and hopefully I won't be in the unexplained category. At least now I don't feel do helpless. I'm going to see the GP tomorrow for the referral and also to be signed off for the next week or so.

LondonSuperTrooper Wed 30-Oct-13 21:37:59

Bring = being!

LondonSuperTrooper Wed 30-Oct-13 21:38:57

Tiny, how are you doing? I hope that the pain is not unbearable. I'm thinking of you.

Bakingtins Wed 30-Oct-13 21:41:48

London I'm sorry your husband is not being supportive. It's no wonder you need a bit of time to hide from the world and deal with it in your own way. Tell him it's now his job to keep them all off your back.

Medical management is one option to deal with an incomplete miscarriage. If you are already bleeding you have to insert a pessary of misoprostol vaginally, usually repeated after 24 hours. This makes the uterus contract to expel whatever is in there. I've had it once and found it quite painful, so if you choose this route make sure you also get decent painkillers prescribed. The other option at that point would be an ERPC.
More on both from the Miscarriage Association here

Penguinita Wed 30-Oct-13 22:52:03

So sorry london sad. And sorry that your DH isn't making things easier, I'm sure he thought he was "helping" but sometimes they have funny ideas about how to do that.

Glad you have a small nugget of good news about the referral though.

lucyfluff Thu 31-Oct-13 07:02:19

London hugs...have just read thread sad I'm sorry your going through this and have no experience of medical management to offer advice. Im sure the hospital will look after you, just try to rest up.

I hope your DH pulls his socks up, men really don't understand at times!
My DH was in complete denial when I had mc so I can sympathise with you just wanting space to get over it.


TinyTear Thu 31-Oct-13 12:55:18

Hello all

First great news Seat we needed to hear that!

To everyone that asked, thanks, I am ok, no pain but very very tired.
Not helped by the fact I was told not to breastfeed for 24 to 48 hours, so last night my husband tried to put our daughter to bed (which he can do when I am not home) and she was just crying mummy mummy as she knew i was here. then I went down and cuddled and let her twirl my hair and she ended up falling asleep... BUT THEN woke at 3h40 and would... not... go... back!!! ahrgh
Ended up with me lying on the floor of her room while she climbed on me saying horsy horsy and poking books in my face and making me read them...

At 6am I went to my room and told my husband it was his shift. (if i was working we would have shared earlier)

Now he tells me she fell asleep on the pram on the way to the nursery and he left her sleeping (so at 8am)

I got up at 8ish to get some cereal and been sleeping on and off all morning.

I have some closure now, need to book a GP appointment and will go back to work monday or tuesday.

TinyTear Thu 31-Oct-13 12:56:37

And my husband has been great respecting my wishes not to tell. we never told anyone officially and i only mentioned the miscarriages to my mum after i had my daughter.

in 2010, the year we had 3, we went Miscarriage Association christmas cards to a few people hoping that was a hint enough (his sister and mum did get it)

PJen Thu 31-Oct-13 14:59:07

London sad awful. it sucks. I am sorry that you are at this stage and DH is not supportive.

Tiny glad it wasn't painful.

tannyLoo72 Fri 01-Nov-13 08:00:51

Jen, Tiny, and London... Hoping things are improving for you. I haven't known what to write for the last few days, but I've been thinking of you.

My first day back at work today. I haven't slept much and DS2 has been awake and restless since 5am.

Work colleagues all knew last time around, as I was very open about why I was off sick, and I think they'll have guessed this time. My boss is a bit of a dragon, and very passive aggressive, so I'm really not looking forward to seeing her...

On a brighter note, I have a referral to see a gynae on 21st November for my rmc testing. It seems to be a general gynae referral, so it might take some time. In the meantime, we're still ttc again, and got my baby asprin ready.

The general rmc thread looks interesting, but busy, I might join in sometime nearer my appt.

Better get going...confused

Bakingtins Fri 01-Nov-13 08:08:45

Do come join the RMC thread, tanny I've just started a new one and encouraged everyone to recap where they are up to because I lose track. You'll be made very welcome - that applies to any of you.

IBelieveInEngels Fri 01-Nov-13 14:21:34

Hey everyone,

Just went for what I thought was my routine appt with gynaecologist (blood test to check HCG) and the bloody level has gone up instead of down so had to have another scan (aka Engels fanjo flashing grin ). They can't see any reason why the HCG has risen (womb is most definitely empty and she checked tubes) so now have to go back next week for another blood test and possibly scan.

Feel so annoyed with my body. It's trying to hang on to something that isn't there. I just want to move on and start trying again! Sorry to post all the depressing details here (ponders moving to mc board).

Sending hugs, flowers and hot chocolate to everyone who needs them. x

tannyLoo72 Fri 01-Nov-13 14:41:49

Hey Engles, is fanjo flasher your new name? You made me snort my tea! grin

What a weird time you're having, I hope they don't find anything, and it's your body playing silly buggers...

I'm getting into mn in a big way and posting all over the place, but this is my mn home, so make sure you keep coming back. You're not depressing us, we're already depressed!

TinyTear Fri 01-Nov-13 14:42:58

Aw Engels how odd, bodies are strange things... I so understand you... I am now finally with some closure after the ERPC and it's what you need to have...

Hope you get some answers soon!

PJen Sat 02-Nov-13 15:13:51

How odd engels!! This is the right forum for these things for sure. Keep us posted.

CallingAllEngels Mon 04-Nov-13 15:45:11

Have had a small amount of bloody discharge and light cramps this afternoon. Hoping the end is in sight. Will let you all know how I get on tomorrow afternoon.

<ponders nc to fanjoflashersanonymous>

Bakingtins Tue 05-Nov-13 09:59:09

fanjoflasher grin I hope your levels have dropped when you go back. HCG can rise because of a tiny bit of retained material, sometimes too small to visualise on a scan, so if you've passed some more that sounds hopeful. They are just cautious because they need to rule out molar pregnancy, but that is rare so don't worry about it. Hope you are given the all clear tomorrow.

CallingAllEngels Tue 05-Nov-13 10:04:39

Thanks baking. Someone has just mentioned molar pg to me on another thread (had never heard of it) and now am going a little crazy after googling as it fits with the symptoms that I have.

Heading to hospital in less than an hour for blood test. Friend is coming with me to hold my hand.

Will definitely BBL to let you all know how I get on.