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Martians 2014: thread 10. More scans, bigger bumps and eating for two! Nearly halfway there, ladies!

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IceNoSlice Wed 25-Sep-13 21:16:51

Thread 9

Shiny new thread. Welcome all those due to pop out a baby in March 14, whether you're an old hand or a newbie, come join the fun!

Saggy it's so good to hear from you. Please don't feel like you're lowering the thread! Far from it. I'm so pleased for you that you are continuing the pregnancy. You're going to be great x

commsgirl Wed 25-Sep-13 21:22:54

Saggy lovely to hear from you. Keep talking to us whenever you want, don't you dare worry about lowering the thread! You're going to be brilliant x

IceNoSlice Wed 25-Sep-13 21:23:49

Just me then <twiddles thumbs>

Beccadugs Wed 25-Sep-13 21:34:08

Thinking of you saggy as everyone has said you and your baby are Martians so this is where you belong!

Prambo Wed 25-Sep-13 21:37:41

Saggy, you are an inspiration and such a strong lady. I'm so pleased you're finding strength and friends on that other thread. You will never bring us down with news of your lovely baby. Wishing you peace xx

Thanks, girls, for house cheerings. Was it BWP who mentioned the missing kitchen drawers? I'm on it. I can't cope with a shoddy kitchen with the amount of time I spend cooking, so that's really important to me.

Can't wait to see you tomorrow, RockChick. You enjoying your anniversary evening? wink

Gawjus, I just can't get you out of my head. Remember, won't you, that we are your friends and will never judge you thanks

PiratesMam Wed 25-Sep-13 21:45:09

Ice cheers for sorting out thread ten. TEN! 9 went in a flash, I don't think I read half of it!

Saggy Have read your other thread and glad you came back to update us on here too, thank you. You and your baby are still Martians and like the others have said, we are here through the good and bad. Thinking of you xx

Thank you. You have all made me cry! blush
Anyway, just getting on the new thread so I don't lose you...

Prambo Wed 25-Sep-13 21:59:00

Thinking of you, too, today, Imeg thanks

OwlinaTree Wed 25-Sep-13 22:13:28

saggy glad you are back. I had a little cry too, glad you are staying with us.

I'm not on the fb page gawjus but hope you are OK.

I haven't watched this home birthing video but are the children really called horse and tree? I did a pre natal yoga class last time which was great for teaching you moves to do for an active birth, sadly I was induced so movement v limited in the end! I'd definatly recommend the yoga tho if you are interested in active birth.

IceNoSlice Wed 25-Sep-13 22:14:40

Hmmm think I was a bit premature with the 'nearly halfway' bit. If the threads continue to move as fast as they have done, we won't hit 20 weeks on this thread. Oh well, I did say 'nearly'.

I worked from home today sitting on my exercise ball all day. My back feels great! I defo recommend!

BionicEar Wed 25-Sep-13 22:28:52

Saggy, you have made one of the hardest decisions ever in your life, but from what you have shared, I know that this baby has been blessed with you and your family, and what a lucky child that is to have people who are going to love, protect and fight his/her corner.

Yes it's not the journey that you imagine you would take with this baby, but this baby will bless your life.

Stay with us, share your ups and downs, allow us to be part of yours and your extra special baby's journey.

It doesn't matter what the diagnostic is, this baby is still wanted, much like the rest of the Martians babies, and you belong here with us.

liberuna Wed 25-Sep-13 22:39:24

Saggy so happy to have you back

Pram congratulations on new place, its so hard to find somewhere that ticks all the right boxes. Well done.

Im 2 for 2 on gender guesses. Can't wait for mine but it's not till the end of October sad

16+2 and still no movement. Lots of pains and stretches though so I guess that means I'm still pregnant?

Rockchick1984 Wed 25-Sep-13 22:45:05

Well, back from my romantic evening - so stuffed full of curry and onion bhajis its ridiculous! And yes, have enjoyed the evening very much twice

Hope Gaw is ok, just seen all the stuff on fb sad

Pram looking forward to tomorrow, will make sure I have cake in!!

Saggy you don't bring the thread down, everyone on here will go through something negative at some point and I know you would be one of the first to offer comfort - that works both ways!

Not watching the poo-birth video, I was paranoid enough about not wanting to poo when I was in labour last time (DH assures me I didn't) so seeing that would terrify me!

commsgirl Wed 25-Sep-13 22:45:26

Lib you're definitely still pregnant smile

Ice I think I need an exercise ball. Might look a hit odd in the office though!

I can't believe we're on thread nine and April are only on two!

Liberuna its not unknown to feel nothing until 20 weeks first time round, don't worry. My placenta is at the front, and I haven't felt anything yet, and I know from the recent scans that baby is definitely having a party in there! 16 weeks tomorrow. Just be patient. My PG app says that at first its very soft and gentle like the stroke of a fishes tail. I'd say from experience that that is spot on and very easy to miss.

Do we have FB? How did I miss that? May I join please?

PainAuxRaisins Wed 25-Sep-13 23:03:30

Glad you're back Saggy - send a msg to Greymoose and she can add you to FB. Hope Gawj is ok too.

commsgirl Wed 25-Sep-13 23:04:09

Saggy just l send greymoose a message with your Facebook link and she'll sort you out smile

Prambo Wed 25-Sep-13 23:04:49

Saggy, I've forgotten how you join, sweetheart, but it's summat to do with GreyMoose. You PM her your fb link, I fink.

Rock, your house better not smell of sex...wink

Bionic, your post to Saggy was beautiful and just what I wanted to say.

AbiBub Wed 25-Sep-13 23:40:49

Hey! Wow, another thread ahoy!

bwp you will be fabby at it. I left a big gap for that very reason but I bet if the gap had have been smaller I still would have managed!!

Thanks grey shall go in a have a contribution hopefully tomorrow!

saggy the biggest hugz to you ever. You are a wonderful lady and be on here as much as you need to be, as everyone else has said we are here for you.x

And what the 'beep' am I still doing awake? !

Yeah I shoulf have been in bed ages ago! Nighty night! :0)

Deffo still pregnant Lib!

Am so worried for Gawj. Can't stop thinking about her.

Glad you had a good time twice Rock! I'm excited for your northern cake afternoon tomorrow!

I also couldn't agree more with what Bionic said.

Night Abi!

JK10 Thu 26-Sep-13 00:42:16

gawjus hope all okay.

saggy so pleased your back.

pram fab house news, looks great.

Your all gonna hate me! Can't believe so many of you love eating blue steaks and butcher shops! I'm a veggie! Used to be a barmaid and my stomach would turn when ppl ordered blue steak baguettes!! The bread would turn pink, awwww! Saying that though my 4 kids and DP are meat eaters and I cook it for them every night just can't bring myself to actually touch it and cutting it raw makes me heave!

JK10 Thu 26-Sep-13 00:42:55

Oh and I hate incompetent builders.

MummyPig24 Thu 26-Sep-13 01:00:16

saggy I'm glad you are staying with us. It's a tough decision to make but I'm glad you have made it. You are an amazing woman!

x0gawjus0x Thu 26-Sep-13 06:43:59

These ladies are truely so lovely thank you so much words cant explain how much youve helped me i feel so lucky even though ive never met you thank you doesnt cut it x

Jolleigh Thu 26-Sep-13 06:49:53

JK - I don't hate veggies! It's as valid a choice as any, just not one I could make.

My steaks at Gaucho were beautiful yesterday. I got the trio of medallions and was making orgasm noises right the way through my meal. (I'm naughty so had all 3 rare, and they were like butter to chew). And so people know, a £5 tomato side salad us actually quite tasty...has about 6 different kinds of tomato in it.

I've been invited to a 'shortened' interview for that role I've been contacted about. I'm assured that it won't be a full blown interrogation. Can't say I want any kind of interview, but I am well aware that if they agree to pay me the amount I want, I'll get quite a significant amount more cash during my first 3 months mat leave. If they try to get me to take the job without sweetening the deal with the pay, I'm simply going to turn it down. It's not worth the extra stress if I'm going to hardly get a pay bump. Interview is a week today (2nd interview while upduffed - I know I'm hard core lol)

Welcome back Saggy - we missed you. x

SoSurprised Thu 26-Sep-13 06:50:21

Saggy lots of hugs your way. I have been thinking of you and am really glad you've come back smile

Jolleigh Thu 26-Sep-13 06:59:54

Hi gawjus I didn't see you there (have been attempting to wrestle my comedy-sized-boobs into a bra for work). How are you doing?

x0gawjus0x Thu 26-Sep-13 07:05:39

Hey joll im doing ok better than yesterday just thinking about my scan later is making me feel better i hope they dont cross their legs!

your poor boobs my bras dont fit either infact my left boob is bigger than my right one now i wonder if they do mixed cup sizes !

x0gawjus0x Thu 26-Sep-13 07:07:10

Nearly half way ice its crazy isnt it 2.5 weeks and ill be 20 weeks ahhh :D and all weve done is worry! X

Jolleigh Thu 26-Sep-13 07:15:32

Hoping your little one gives you a good flash if its bits gawjus wink

Don't think I can consider myself nearly half way yet...I'm only 14 weeks. I've been the youngest practically everywhere I go (August baby) and now my Alien is one of the younger bumps on the thread and I get to see soooooo many people find out gender before I do. Boooooo! wink

JK10 Thu 26-Sep-13 07:26:46

Ha ha! Thanks joll! £5 tomato salad compared to orgasmic steak mooing on the plate!!! Made me laugh!!

gaw good luck at scan! Bubba will be fine, I had same huge emotional stuff going on when pg with dc2 but all was well. They are tough little things. Can't wait to hear pink or blue.

Who is next? I'm not finding out as I have boxes of both pink and blue. The only thing I need is a pram, as mine finally broke after baby 4.

lyra was it u who bought the orb? What colour did u go for? I really like the teal but it that classified as unisex or too boyish? Thoughts please!?!

JK10 Thu 26-Sep-13 07:28:17

joll brill news about I interview! Go grab yourself a whopping pay packet, and celebrate with another big fat, juicy, orgasmic steak!

Jolleigh Thu 26-Sep-13 07:45:41

JK - you never know, I might treat myself to a small glass of merlot if everything goes to plan wink

gawjus - I've only just seen the Facebook page. What the actual fuck?!? Can we safely refer to that cunt as your ex now? You're seriously better off without him. Let us know if yoy need any kind of help. I'm sure all if us can pull together and get a peaceful outcome for you. x

OwlinaTree Thu 26-Sep-13 07:46:57

Oooh gawjus larger left breast means it's a boy!!

How exciting!! Do you find out today?

OwlinaTree Thu 26-Sep-13 07:49:04

X post with joll sorry you are having relationship issue.

RaspberrysAndIcecream Thu 26-Sep-13 07:52:14

Morning ladies - I feel I had to read everything before replying, and that took a while!!! grin

pram congratulations on the new place!!! Glad it's worked out for u. Have they given u a moving I'm date?

saggy glad you're still on the thread with us. I read ur other thread with tears in my eyes. Your baby is very lucky to have such an awesome Mummy!!

gaw I'm not on the Facebook page yet but I hope you're ok.

Is anyone apart from JK10 not going to find out what they're having? I don't want to know!! I'd quite like a surprise and also I think that it may encourage me to shop ridiculously if I know what sex it is!!! So for the sake of our bank balance, I don't want to know!! Lol!!

joll I'm also only 14 weeks, our babies will be the younger Martians!! Also good luck for ur second interview next week!! Interviewing in pregnancy is hardcore - much respect!!! Some days I feel like I can hardly string a sentence together, let alone doing an interview!! :-)

Saggy just wanted to add my voice to the chorus of best wishes to you and your family. You've been put in a position that no one wants to find themselves in and I agree that your baby is so lucky to be coming to such a wonderful home. I hope that doesn't sound patronising blush

karamcleod Thu 26-Sep-13 08:33:01

My phone is playing up so finding it difficult to keep up.

saggy you are amazing, and as I'm sure you can tell, we are all here for you.

gawjus I've not been able to see what is going on on fb, but I saw the original post and I really hope you are ok, you are going to have some really tough decisions to make soon. I know this might seem the wrong thing to say but this could not have happened at a better time. You really need to decide what is best for you & baby. I have been in the same place as you and if you need to talk just PM!

Love to you all. <3

x0gawjus0x Thu 26-Sep-13 08:38:32

I hope it gives me a good flash too jolls !! Havent taken my engagement ring off yet though sad

Thanks jk more concerned about them than me did hear their lovely hb yesterday though!

Does it owl? How does my boobs know before me haha i am sooo sure its a boy though!

thanks kara seems alot of these ladies have been where i am and now they are all in loving relatiomships and i hope im that lucky x

karamcleod Thu 26-Sep-13 08:47:53

Oh also baby mcleod has been going mental since yesterday evening, I can actually feel it through my tummy! Fuck knows what he/she is so excited about but kept me up most of the night.
17 weeks today. 21 days until next scan!

TotalShock Thu 26-Sep-13 08:49:24

Thread nine went so quick! So I thought I'd at least try and catch up a little before thread 10 passes me by.. Thanks for the new thread ice!

pram I'm so pleased you got the house you liked and even better at the price you wanted! It looked lovely

rock glad you had a good anniversary and it sounds like you and pram are meeting up which I'm sure will be great. I don't think I know anyone that is pg in RL and we still haven't really told anyone yet apart from some family!

gaw I'm not on fb but hope your ok and looking forward to your scan x

joll good look with the interview! Also glad you had such a good meal! Hope you're feeling like your normal self again x

saggy you can talk as much as you like, there's so many people that care and as someone else said you'd be the first to offer comfort to someone else xxx

Hello to everyone else!

BadlyWrittenPoem Thu 26-Sep-13 08:59:12

Thanks Abi - I think I just worry because it'll be so different to first child or child after a huge gap.

Raspberry I'm not planning on finding out either.

Thinking of you gawjus.

MummyBee87 Thu 26-Sep-13 08:59:57

Raspberry we're not finding out either. We decided last week at our 13week scan. I really want to find out because I know I'd be great with a girl as I've been there myself etc so i'm terrified about having a boy and feel I need to do extra preparation lol! But OH really wants a surprise and my mum agreed that it would be nice to have it as a surprise too so thats what we're gonna do. I am worried i'll be an awful mum to a boy though so i'm secretly hoping its a girl which then makes me feel terrible for wanting one more than the other sad.
I had my first cup of tea in years yesterday I just really fancied it (decaf of course) I switched to decaf coffee in January or so but I've not been in the mood for one as the smell made me feel sick. Have to say I'm now wanting another tea so off to the canteen I go.
One of the things I have to say I'm not missing is pepsi/coke, which again i've avoided due to caffine (sp?) blush is anyone else trying not to drink caffine and finding it difficult or easy?
What other things are you guys avoiding, aside from the obvious blue cheeses and un-cooked meat/eggs etc?
xx

JK10 Thu 26-Sep-13 09:10:11

joll if it's only a small glass! Push the boat out and have 2!

rasp think I too would go on a crazy totally unnecessary spend up if I knew the sex! I love shopping! Another thing I know a lot of u hate!! Although I only buy when something is needed, most of the time!

karamcleod Thu 26-Sep-13 09:11:19

I haven't had any caffeine either, just down to the fact OH is very sensitive to it and has tonnes of problems with his heart and bp, and he seems to have inherited from his father so best to be safe than sorry.

I miss pate, goats cheese, brie, rare steak, wine and fags but at least its for the greater good!

BadlyWrittenPoem Thu 26-Sep-13 09:13:20

Mummy I've been either pregnant, breastfeeding or TTC for all but seven months of the last seven years so apart from very occasionally having a caffeinated drink, I've avoided caffeine almost all that time. I keep decaff tea bags in the change bag so that if I'm at someone's house and they don't have decaff I can provide it and in cafes if they don't have decaff I tend to have a hot chocolate. I'm a bit of a tea fan (I used to have about twenty different varieties of tea at home) so I do miss the variety but other than that it doesn't really bother me.

BadlyWrittenPoem Thu 26-Sep-13 09:16:19

I think caffeine is the only change in my diet I have made as everything else either I've looked into the risks and decided that the risk is too low to worry about (e.g. runny eggs, pate, cheeses) or I don't have it anyway (e.g. raw shellfish, shark, marlin, swordfish, alcohol).

April13 Thu 26-Sep-13 09:22:02

hmmmm, i have cut caffeine down, but I must admit I do take it to the maximum and usually slightly over every day, am I bad??

I think I felt a kick last night, almost positive I did, but so quick I am now wondering if I imagined it. When the midwife listened to HB on Tuesday she told me it was a wriggler so should be feeling something very soon...maybe wishful thinking??

MummyPig24 Thu 26-Sep-13 09:29:16

JK I really want the orb in teal. I would put boys and girls in it.

We aren't finding out the sex. I'm so excited for a huge surprise in the end!

I haven't been near coffee, it makes me feel Ill now, plus it has an unfortunate effect on my bowels! Tea is ok but I didn't drink it frequently before. I have probably 2 cups a week. I like fruit tea but I have run out.

Beccadugs Thu 26-Sep-13 09:46:02

We aren't finding our either. I'm sort of enjoying the "abstractness" of this baby. It will be here in all it's pink/blue glory for ever!!

I have a serious aversion to hot drinks, sadly. Coffee has the same effect on my bowel mummypig but it would be greatly appreciated at the moment!!

Also avoiding pâté, rare steak etc. as DH us very paranoid about it. As I'm feeling so sick I don't fancy much anyway, so it doesn't really make much of a difference!

MummyPig24 Thu 26-Sep-13 09:50:26

I ordered steak in a restaurant a few weeks ago, I ordered it well done, it came medium. That's how I would usually have it. I was secretly pleased and ate it anyway. I have avoided pâté, Brie, alcohol etc though. I would love a baked Camembert!

Jolleigh Thu 26-Sep-13 10:09:07

Avoiding: cigs, pate, uncooked egg, unpasteurised cheeses, mould ripened cheeses, raw fish, high mercury fish, liver, raspberry leaf tea, peanuts, practically my full pain relief stash wink

Allowing occasionally: good quality rare beef, a black americano each weekday morning (huge reduction on my normal caffeine intake), the odd small glass of red wine.

Don't think I'm doing too badly considering my pre-pregnancy diet consisted of vast amounts of all of the above. Sure I've missed things off that list too lol

justmuddlingthroughit Thu 26-Sep-13 10:21:43

Bloody hell, what happened to thread 9??? Just spent an hour and a half catching up on about 20 pages that I've missed since Monday!

saggy, imeg and gawjus, you're all in my thoughts at the moment. You're all so much stronger than I can imagine myself being, and your babies are lucky to have you as their mothers.

Congrats on the new house, prambo, and also on gender scan results, but I forget who for! blush.

I also feel like I'm lagging behind most people a bit, as I'm only 14 + 3. My 16w mw appointment isn't for another two weeks, and my 20w scan is on 7th November. Wait for me, everyone!

Still trying to think of a new mn name...

greymoose Thu 26-Sep-13 10:22:15

Hi all, hope everyone is well!

Still having caffeine (but way less than my usual amount and under the limit) and my favourite - gypsy toast with not properly cooked egg.

I'm avoiding peanuts and uncooked meat and that's it really as I don't really like anything else that's banned other than the stuff I'm eating anyway!

MummyPig24 Thu 26-Sep-13 10:23:48

Do we need to avoid peanuts? I thought that advice had changed? Or do you have allergies in the family? Not that I've eaten any peanuts or peanut products, just curious!

greymoose Thu 26-Sep-13 10:26:56

mummy I don't think we have to avoid them but dp has asthma and eczema so don't want to risk it either way regardless of the research just incase - and I don't really mind avoiding them for a few months anyway!

karamcleod Thu 26-Sep-13 10:33:57

My ready steady baby book states that pregnant women are no longer advised to aviod peanuts although was munching some last week and OH's lovely daughter was telling me my baby is going to die because I am so selfish blah blah blah. Little bitch. Sick of people telling me to get rid of my cat, been told not to eat pasturised cream cheese, oh and also spinach and broccolli are bad for the baby. People need to fuck off and stop spouting pointless shite at me.

IceNoSlice Thu 26-Sep-13 10:35:03

justmuddling how about an NN based around the word 'muddle'. Come on maybe and prambo, this is your forte.

I am still eating nuts. Love em and they're pretty good for you.

My colleague has just returned from a holiday in Vietnam and we chatted about the food there. I am seriously craving some pho and fresh spring rolls (has to be the fresh ones, the stodgy fried ones will just not do it). And I have zero chance of having any. Love love love proper Vietnamese food.

Jolleigh Thu 26-Sep-13 10:35:57

The advice has changed Mummy - most people are fine to eat them apparently. I've just been known to have some quite random and severe allergic reactions and as nobody has managed to tell me the cause, it's best I stay away from peanuts. Which pisses me off as I love peanut butter cups!

justmuddlingthroughit Thu 26-Sep-13 10:40:12

Ooh, how about 'MuckingFuddled' as my new nn?

FoxMulder Thu 26-Sep-13 10:42:30

I've not been avoiding peanuts, but I think I will start. I do like peanut butter, which MW said was fine but I suppose I am allergic to dust & cats & have a tiny bit of eczema so should prob take it more seriously.

gawj I've not been on FB (and can't get on now I'm at work) but I'm taking it OH is being a dick again? Hope you're ok.

Saggy good to have you back!

Going back to last night:

Kara I am not Dundonian, no. It's an Auzzie phrase I decided to whip out for no reason atall.

Lyra But I don't actually carry the laptop or the camera around. You tend to know when you might want your camera and I can wait until I get home to use the laptop. And the camera on a smart phone can't be as good as a proper camera, surely? How do you zoom for a start? And really there's more pressing things that need purchasing first like a new bathroom and furniture and baby stuff. Nonetheless, I'm a bit interested. Could I get a contract for £10 a month?

justmuddlingthroughit Thu 26-Sep-13 10:44:43

I've eaten peanuts a few times so far. Although, dh's sister and cousin have mild nut allergies, so perhaps should avoid? Aaarrrggghhh, all I want to eat is rare steak, brie, runny eggs, expensive pate, and drink shitloads of coffee. <sulks>

FoxMulder Thu 26-Sep-13 10:45:58

Oh no Ice I HATE pho! I spent a bit of time in Vietnam and sometimes it was all you could get. It was like they'd got some instant noodles, boiled them in a shit load of water and gone 'voila!'. If you were lucky you got half a raw cabbage to go with your instant noodles and water.

greymoose Thu 26-Sep-13 10:48:56

I'm with you on the pho fox!

justmuddling I like it !!!

FoxMulder Thu 26-Sep-13 10:51:12

Give me Laos food any day. They do a thing described as a salad (but is nothing like a salad) called Laarp. It's great. I must try making it.

commsgirl Thu 26-Sep-13 10:51:20

Raspberry we're 99% sure we're not going to find out. Like JK I wouldn't be able to stop shopping can't anyway and I'm really trying to hold off on my control freak/micromanaging ways with this pregnancy!

Mummyb I feel the exact same as you about having girl vs boy. I'm sure we'll manage! It's not that I want one more than the other, I just feel like I wouldn't know what to do with a boy!

I avoided caffeine completely in the first trimester (and really went off tea and coffee anyway) so now I'm happy just having the odd mug. Not really actively avoiding anything else (apart from not being able to make my mind up about rare steak) as I don't eat it anyway or the risk feels minimal enough. Apart from blue cheese, I really miss blue cheese!

karamcleod Thu 26-Sep-13 10:55:59

I want super noodles now. Everytime food is meantioned on this thread I want it. Or if I see food on tv.
Cooked breakfast with a side of supernoodles would be amazing right now sad

Prambo Thu 26-Sep-13 10:58:56

Muddling, how about SuperMuddle for a name (as in 'supermodel')?

We are not finding out the sex of the baby, Rasp.

I have decided to quit caffeine altogether (I drink 3 or 4 cans of energy drink per day) as I read the other day about the risks of an underweight baby.

RockChick, I suspect you're hoovering like a madwoman or summat. Well, stop! There'll be Greggs cake crumbs when I get there wink Off to get in the shower.....see you soon, cock!

commsgirl Thu 26-Sep-13 10:59:15

I can't stop thinking about the jar of gherkins I've got in the fridge at home.

HotCrossPun Thu 26-Sep-13 11:03:13

I have peanut butter on toast every morning for my breakfast. Nobody in the family has a nut allergy though.

I hope I haven't tempted fate!

justmuddlingthroughit Thu 26-Sep-13 11:04:50

comms, I'm fairly sure that hard blue cheese like Stilton is ok, as long as its made with pasteurised milk.

I HAVE GHERKINS IN THE FRIDGE! Back in a sec...

Ahem, 'scuse me.

prambo, i like that one grin

I'm still drinking tea. I say still, I only felt able to drink it again last week!

Who mentioned laarp? I bloody love it. So hot it makes my nose run! Oh yes indeedy! I have a recipe if you'd like?

Have fun Rock and Pram

Loving the new name Muddled!

FoxMulder Thu 26-Sep-13 11:11:42

Me, I mentioned laarp marbie! I never had a really hot one, we were always given the tourist version! What's your recipe? Is it a beef one? The only ones I've seen in the UK have been with chicken, but it was always beef in Laos. Or maybe we only ate the beef ones, I can't remember.

MummyBee87 Thu 26-Sep-13 11:13:11

MummyP, I was told off for eating peanuts - but my argument was that we don't have a family history of an allergy and hopefully by eating a couple (not a lot) now and again it will help build up a tollerance. Not sure if that even has any scientific founding, but it makes sense to me!

The one I have is chicken, but would work equally well with beef! It's a rick stein recipe. I shall dig it out for you!

On the peanuts, I was told to eat them as normal!

commsgirl Thu 26-Sep-13 11:18:32

Maybs I love that you have a recipe for everything! smile

Rockchick1984 Thu 26-Sep-13 11:19:19

Prambo hoovering??? I'm sure I've heard of that.... Oh, I remember, its one of the jobs I make DH do grin

Been catching up on the Christmas bargains thread, have now ordered 2x Oasis watches for £3 each, a box of Hotel Chocolat choccies for £7 instead of £20, and am trying to order some book people books with 10% off! Determined not to panic buy presents this year and end up spending a fortune!!

Jolleigh Thu 26-Sep-13 11:25:17

I didn't mean to scare people with the peanut thing...they really are fine for most people. It's just because I've ended up in hospital several times unable to breathe properly and we don't know the root cause confused

FoxMulder Thu 26-Sep-13 11:25:45

Thanks maybe I will surely give it a go if you dig it out.

At my booking in appointment the midwife was reading through a list of 'not supposed to eat' things and peanuts were on there, but she says they change the advice constantly so not to worry.

karamcleod Thu 26-Sep-13 11:26:43

I'm doing homemade gifts this year seen's I'm an unemployed erse and have plenty of time to faf around with glitter and ribbons and jam and all that awful shite. sad

karamcleod Thu 26-Sep-13 11:30:49

I've been told not to have any citrus. Probably because I'm allergic to pineapple, grapefruit and kiwi. Orange juice makes me sick now anyway.

Ooh Kara, poor you. I'd be lost without pineapple juice. Lost I tell you. I love a bit of handmade. I made loads of edible stuff the other year. Chutneys, fudge, crackers, biscuits.....

Yes Comms. I do indeed have a recipe for every occasion. Down to cheese biscuits for dogs.....

Fox I will send you the recipe!

BadlyWrittenPoem Thu 26-Sep-13 11:35:05

On peanuts - I read the Committee on Toxicity report on why the advice changed because DH is allergic to peanuts. For a few years they advised that pregnant women where there was a family history of allergies because the theory was that sensitisiation occurred in the womb (or through breastfeeding). The reason for this theory was that it is common for people to have a reaction to peanut on their first known exposure to it. The proportion of women the advice was aimed at (family history of allergies) who followed the advice was equal to the proportion of women it wasn't aimed at who followed it (from memory this was around 70%). Furhter research was done and after the advice had been in place for a number of years the eveidence was reviewed. Since it was found that there was no change in the incidence of peanut allergies despite a large proportion of pregnant women following the advice it was concluded that antenatal exposure was not causing sensitisation and the advice was withdrawn. Another possible route of sensitisation which they suggested is through skin treatments as there are plenty of those which contain peanut oil.

justmuddlingthroughit Thu 26-Sep-13 11:38:34

I'm thinking of doing homemade gifts this year too, kara. I did it a couple of years ago, and baked cookies that were the right size to fit into a Pringles tube (which was duly wrapped to look prettily festive), made some flavoured vinegars for my mum and mil, who both enjoy cooking (I just got some fresh herbs and spices, put them in posh cider vinegar for about three weeks, then strained into pretty jars into which I also put a sprig of the relevant herb etc to look nice). It actually went down really well with everyone, which relieved me cos I was a bit nervous about how things would turn out. Have a look on moneysavingexpert.com, they always have good ideas. It's not all glitter glue and ribbons, promise!

FoxMulder Thu 26-Sep-13 11:39:49

Just checked my official notes (which I am dutifully carrying around with me) and it still says to avoid peanuts in there. Not sure when these were printed though.

FoxMulder Thu 26-Sep-13 11:41:04

I don't do Christmas presents, cuz I'm a tight bastard. That's just the way I roll grin

BadlyWrittenPoem Thu 26-Sep-13 11:41:18

The most amusing advice I read on peanuts was on an NHS page about breastfeeding which said that you don't need to avoid peanuts when breastfeeding but that you should if you are allergic to them yourself. Really? Like people with a peanut allergy couldn't have worked that out for themselves!

karamcleod Thu 26-Sep-13 11:42:32

BWP you are just a fountain of knowledge!
Maybs I have a stack of recipe books. I've never opened a single one, I'm more of a 'chuck it in and see what happens' kind of girl smile

IceNoSlice Thu 26-Sep-13 11:47:38

grey, fox, you obv had bad pho! But it's one of the staple foods there, isn't it? So bound to get a real variety of quality - I guess like fish and chips in this country can be yum or vile. We stayed longest on Hoi An and did a cookery course and my pho was fragrant, flavourful and amazing. So there wink

Oh no, now I'm thinking about pad Thai too! (Another dish so common in its country you can get amazing or rubbish versions). With loads of crushed peanuts...

BadlyWrittenPoem Thu 26-Sep-13 11:47:56

I think the advice changed around Summer 2010 as I found out it had changed around my second/third pregnancies. A quick google doesn't turn up the actual COT report (and I gave my hard copy to a friend) but this BBC article references the report's recommendations: news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7777373.stm

grin Kara I have so many books it's a joke!

Sounds like a plan Muddle

I love how even notes vary Fox. Mine don't say that! Ooh, are you carrying yours around now? Does this mean I need a new handbag to put them in?!

April13 Thu 26-Sep-13 11:49:00

the peanut thing is weird, I was told they are fine to eat hmm I love peanut butter on wholemeal toast with jam smile

I think I have been OK with food. I was super vigilant for the first 13 weeks but relaxed now with caffeine. I have even had a few dippy eggs (convinced myself it was OK on the basis of the whole red lion argument), I had a single black pudding (but I forgot I was not meant to be eating that) and I have had haggis a couple of times as part of a supper from the chippy and as a meal (before that it was in the whole awful/black pudding category). I even had a medium steak.....I feel like I am living on the edge!!!

Not had pate, cream cheeses etc and like joll I really missed my ibuprofen, codeine, aspirin etc when I wasn't well recently...the 75 mg of aspirin I am for the pre-eclampsia risk thing doesn't even cut it!!!

Ice I love pho. I'm sure yours was amazing wink. I bloody love pad Thai. But it's not as good as Nasi goring. Drool.

BWP you are amazing. Can I ask what you do for a living?

Why can't we have black pudding?

BadlyWrittenPoem Thu 26-Sep-13 11:51:46

HM presents get easier once you have a child old enough to do them - last Christmas we gave mugs or photo frames painted by DD1 to all adult relatives which seemed to go down well.

eln77 Thu 26-Sep-13 11:52:15

hello everyone!

please can I join you lovely ladies? I've been lurking for a little while but thought i'd send you a little message to say hello! i'm currently 14 weeks exactly so i'm right at the back of the baby queue (due on 28th march)... 20 week scan isn't till 6th November which feels like a lifetime away!!

we actually also know what we're having already - we had the harmony test done which meant we could find out the sex, and we're having a little boy! hubby is besides himself with excitement (i'm pretty sure he's bought a set of baby golf clubs already!)... harmony test was interesting - was in the waiting room with Frankie sandford (who is the size of a house now so must be due any day!), and Rachel stevens! this is going back a couple of weeks ago, and then 2 days later she announced she was preggers! hubby had no idea who either of them were...

anyway enough inane dribble from me! hope you're all enjoying your pregnancy, and for those having a tough time of it through one thing and another i'm sending you lots of love and thanks

Jolleigh Thu 26-Sep-13 11:53:52

Erm...why shouldn't we be eating black pudding? I had some this morning blush

commsgirl Thu 26-Sep-13 11:55:16

Maybs my dog would be your best friend!

Keep the homemade gift ideas coming! Just I love the cookies in a Pringles tube idea smile

Welcome*Eln*!! Congratulations on your little boy! I'm quite far back too, due on the 24th. Get you, rubbing shoulders with the rich and famous wink. Is this your first?

BadlyWrittenPoem Thu 26-Sep-13 11:56:55

Maybe arguably I do nothing for a living! (Although technically I am self employed doing admin/accounts for DH's business but this doesn't create any additional earnings - it's just a sensible division of the work.) I think being a SAHP probably gives me the opportunity to read up about things I want to know about more easily.

On the home made front, Lakeland sell the little cellophane old-school sweet bags. That's what I out my fudge and cookies in, them I got some nice festive ribbon to tie them!

commsgirl Thu 26-Sep-13 11:57:51

Welcome Eln and congrats on your little boy!

SAHM counts as a job in my book BWP! You really are a font of all knowledge!

BadlyWrittenPoem Thu 26-Sep-13 11:59:03

Welcome eln. I have no idea who those people are either.

eln77 Thu 26-Sep-13 12:00:38

yes it is our first... we actually only got married in april so its all a bit sudden! i'm 35 (36 on Saturday - old bird!) so I wasn't expecting things to happen quite so quickly!

delighted though although it doesn't really seem real - the only symptoms I've had is EXTREME tiredness in the first 10 weeks, and nausea most of my waking hours (nothing major though and I didn't throw up). my boobs are also beyond huge - I was already a 32F before I got pregnant and now I think they're off the charts! just going to get some cannon ball slings and strap those together I think! no significant symptoms now though, and the only thing that gives it away a bit is that I look like I've eaten too many pies!

is this your first nomaybe?

eln77 Thu 26-Sep-13 12:01:20

wow - so many replies already - you guys are quick!!!

Indeed it is Eln! I'm with you on the boob front, also a 32f before starting! Mine feel like boulders. I have gone up a back size and switched to maternity bras. The comfort is off the scale grin

eln77 Thu 26-Sep-13 12:05:18

nomaybe I tried that but then got a major cleavage rash so weighed it up and went back to my old bras... hubby thought I was diseased when he saw it!!!

commsgirl Thu 26-Sep-13 12:05:40

Eln my boobs have got huge as well. Reluctant to buy new bras though as they seem to change every week, might just bandage them to my body!

SuperMuddle Thu 26-Sep-13 12:05:57

Welcome and congratulations eln! I see you've noticed we're a tad chatty... We filled up the last thread in about five days, so don't feel you have to read every post!

Some bastard had already taken the nn MuckingFuddled, so I am now SuperMuddle! But you can call me Super grin

eln77 Thu 26-Sep-13 12:07:03

commsgirl i'm not sure there are enough bandages in the world!

<Bows down to Super wink >

Eln I believe Prambo suffered with 'cleavage cheese'. Nasty grin

I like this trapping down idea Comms.

Strapping even

karamcleod Thu 26-Sep-13 12:09:40

Welcome eln congrats on a blue bump!

I still have 21 days until we get to know the sex. I know I will just empty OHs bank account buying cute little outfits but he is the one desperate to know. Mwahahaha.
I've had black pudding, it was stornaway mmmmmmmmm smile actually I had a black pudding and runny egg roll. I am a bad person!

Thanks for the homemade xmas gift tips. I feel like Kirsty Alsopp. Will probably have plenty of time for crafty homemade things seen as OH thinks I should be a SAHM, not sure how to feel about this yet, but I have at least a year to think about it!

greymoose Thu 26-Sep-13 12:10:12

hi eln! yay another for a boy! on the boob front, was a 26g at the beginning but my back has got much bigger now too, so guessing the ribs are spreading out!

mtb can you add eln and me as boy, rock and baldrick as girls to the spreadsheet if you havent already please?

could we also perhaps link it in the title post please cool?

hot/anyone, do you know if the unassisted home birth of felix alexander is the one with tree etc in? was there two posted or is it this one which is the shit covered crazy one?

greymoose Thu 26-Sep-13 12:11:54

i meant ice not cool - i was going with temperature based and have preg brain blush

FoxMulder Thu 26-Sep-13 12:13:26

Ice I'm sure pho CAN be nice, just that everywhere we had it in 4 months in Asia was dire. But we were eating in very cheapo places. The locals seemed to be lapping it up, but we didn't quite get it. Vietnam was at the end of the trip and, the be fair, I think we were a bit over it by then. I remember one day I couldn't find anything to eat but pho, so I had nothing to eat. I couldn't stand another bowl of hot water with a sprig of lemongrass floating in it. Eventually I found some bread & saved it for the next morning. But by then the ants had got to it sad. Then I had to get on a boat full of people vomiting to get to the stupid, overpriced phu quoc island. It was shit. smile

marbie I am carrying my notes around in my rucksack, which comes to work with me because it is packed with all my food.

SuperMuddle Thu 26-Sep-13 12:14:41

Ooh, if you're updating the spreadsheet, mtb, could you change my username pretty please? I also happy for you to put my location as Bristol. Thank you!

Forgot to say, thank you for the name suggestion, prambo!

IceNoSlice Thu 26-Sep-13 12:17:20

Welcome eln and congrats. You ain't that old love, we've got older on here! You're somewhere in the middle.

I have never heard black pud is banned and eat it most Saturdays.

Nice name SuperMuddle!

I'm feeling boob envy. My Bs have probably made it to... C. Great.

I tried the homemade presents thing once. There are loads of MN threads about it including one especially good one from a poster called FellatioNelson. However, much as I like the idea I don't think it saved me money after buying all the ribbons and stuff. And I really CBA this year. Maybe when DCs are old enough to help I'll have another bash.

FoxMulder Thu 26-Sep-13 12:19:17

Ice I have no boobs either. Well, I measure 30/39 which technically gives me a massive size, but in rl it looks like nothing.

HotCrossPun Thu 26-Sep-13 12:23:25

Grey Yeah that's the one. It's in 2 parts. Happy viewing!

Jolleigh Thu 26-Sep-13 12:33:52

Plenty of boob here if anyone would like to come take a slice or 2. I've never slouched so much in my life.

Surely, all things being equal, those with ickle knockers should be the ones to see the massive growth, and those with the wrecking balls would stayvtge same?

I'm going to call a scaffolder next because people who make bras evidently don't want to cater for the larger boobed lady.

Jolleigh Thu 26-Sep-13 12:34:29

*Stay the

Stupid fat fingers

FoxMulder Thu 26-Sep-13 12:35:47

Have you tried Bravissimo? I've heard good things.

I don't want to have boobs! They've got heaps bigger lately and I don't like it!

eln77 Thu 26-Sep-13 12:37:34

oh god!! cleavage cheese! <runs away to throw up>

i'm resisting the urge to buy anything yet. I've decided to wait until the new year (hoping for the sales!) to buy everything we need. I've not even looked at prams/travel systems yet... only actually found out there was something called a 'travel system' the other day... i'm beginning to worry for the health and safety of my child!

we do need to get another car thought so I think this is something we'll have to tackle sooner rather than later...

ooh.. what's this I hear about a spreadsheet?!?! I love all things spreadsheet (dare I admit i'm a maths geek?!?)... would love it if you could add me on to it!!

thanks for the age support ice definitely feeling a bit decrepit at the moment but that's mainly because I've had a chest infection for 3 weeks and feel like i'm falling apart at the seams!

Rockchick1984 Thu 26-Sep-13 12:45:06

I wish I got huge pregnancy boobs, I tried to save up for a boob job when I was about 18 but spent the money on shoes instead I would definitely consider one once I'm done with having more children!

Have got workmen here today replacing the garden fence - how often is it polite to offer them a brew???

Jolleigh Thu 26-Sep-13 12:46:29

eln - all admissions welcome here. People in this thread are talking to me knowing I see David Attenborough as my surrogate granddad and that I cry at geese.

greymoose Thu 26-Sep-13 12:48:45

hot shock shock shock shock shock is all.

eln we also have a fb (with gender guessing spreadsheets wink ) if you wanted to join just message me your link !

BadlyWrittenPoem Thu 26-Sep-13 12:50:37

I hadn't shrunk back from the last pregnancy when I got pregnant because I'm still breastfeeding so mine haven't grown this time. I have no idea what my size is though - I always have to read the label if I want to know.

eln I've never used a travel system - the car seat lives in the car and we use a sling. (Or rather slings as technically we have a few.)

eln77 Thu 26-Sep-13 12:51:46

jolleigh david Attenborough is a demi-god! I also love geese, and ducks and... well.... all animals! grew up on a farm so we had a pretty eclectic selection of animals - 24 cats (farm cats so not in the house!), 2 dogs, 2 pet sheep, and 3 pet ducks who use to follow us around in a line!!!

now i'm down to 2 cats although DH keeps talking about getting a dog once I 'become a lady of leisure' (his words not mine)...

FoxMulder Thu 26-Sep-13 12:52:45

Boobs are overrated. Who needs em, I say grin

My husband is a workman so I should know this one Rock. Hmm...let's see...I think I may never have offered him a brew. But customers often do. How about every 2-3 hours? More if they're hot. Less if they read The Sun.

eln77 Thu 26-Sep-13 12:53:30

greymoose i'd love to join fb - is it the link to my own page I need to send you? thank you!

greymoose Thu 26-Sep-13 12:58:06

eln yes that's the one, just message me it on here and i'll add you to my personal page so i can add you to the group (you have to be friends with someone to add them because its a 'secret group') x

eln77 Thu 26-Sep-13 13:01:48

greymoose when I click on the bit that says 'message poster' it just goes to the top of the page and nothing happens - am I missing something really obvious?!?

Jolleigh Thu 26-Sep-13 13:04:22

eln - he is indeed a demi-god and I'm going to cry like a bitch when he departs the land of the living.

I'm also an animal freak but wasn't lucky enough to grow up on a farm. I have a dog and a snake. Would love more but don't have time to care for them properly.

greymoose Thu 26-Sep-13 13:04:49

eln not sure why that is, I've just sent you my link in a pm, try that!

MummyPig24 Thu 26-Sep-13 13:07:44

I'm still not ready to venture into the land of maternity bras. Saggy and unattractive. I'm a 36H so I'm sticking with my support a little longer!

Welcome eln!

karamcleod Thu 26-Sep-13 13:10:54

Why are bigger bras frumpy? With big thick granny straps, sometimes I think I would be nice to be able to get a neon pink and lepoard (sp? Babybrain!) Bejewelled bra just because. My mum has nicer bra's than me and I'm only bloody 20.

Just ate LOADS of peanuts. And a big bowl of pasta. Still hungry. And of course I've had 4 capri-suns I'm worried I have replaced my smoking with juice-drinking...

I am still in my jammies smile possibly away to bath 3 dogs, 2 ferrets and the cat. Housework can get to fuck, I'd rather wash an animal.

IceNoSlice Thu 26-Sep-13 13:18:00

Ah kara - 'housework can get to fuck'. I love the Scottish turn of phrase.

SuperMuddle Thu 26-Sep-13 13:30:11

Housework does indeed suck. My landlady is visiting this evening, and the house is a shit tip. I'm off work today, and was supposed to spend the day cleaning up etc, but have done fuck all. Am also very stressed because we ageed no pets in the tenancy agreement, which makes our two guinea pigs sort of illegal... Plan is to take landlady into kitchen for cup of tea (piggies are in living room) and if she discovers them say we didn't think it would be a problem as they are caged, as opposed to running round the house. Cacking it, I'll be honest. Our own fault I know, but we had to find somewhere quickly and I didn't want to just give them up at the drop of a hat. I believe we may be in for a bollocking...

karamcleod Thu 26-Sep-13 13:41:07

We have been in our house 2 years 8 months and, landlord has never bothered to check the house. Mind you it was such a shitheap before we moved in I don't think we could have made it any worse. Can't complain thou, our rent is only £300 and I think for a property our size in this area you'd spend £600-£1000.

My pig died last winter muddle I still cry about him, I am pathetic sad

IceNoSlice Thu 26-Sep-13 13:41:12

Can you take them to a friend's for a couple of hours?

Jolleigh Thu 26-Sep-13 13:41:27

Muddle - can a neighbour not take them in for a few hours? I once put my hamster cage (complete with hamster) in the car and parked the car 2 doors down so my landlord didn't see it. The no pets rules are normally about the smells like rather than damage...they'd just pillage your deposit if there was damage. And I can't say guinea pigs are an odour free animal (which admittedly may hinder my 'hide them' plan anyway.)

Have only skimmed. Phone battery about to die.

Fox, I got DS1 a smartphone contract for £7.50 a month. The cameras tend to be pretty good with zoom and flash etc. I don't actually own a camera because the one on my iPhone is great.
Let me find you a decent contract and phone. Pleeeeeese!

Jolleigh Thu 26-Sep-13 13:45:13

My interview next week - do people think I should mention my pregnancy in the interview? My team knows but it's a very big business. Do I HAVE to tell them when I'm only 14 weeks?

JustCallMeBaldrick Thu 26-Sep-13 13:48:03

Saggy good to see you back with us thanks
Nice to see some new faces too smile, just don't try and keep up with the thread - it moves really fast!
Black pudding should not be eaten because it is vile <gavel>
<runs and hides from black pudding freaks fans>

SuperMuddle Thu 26-Sep-13 13:51:39

Can't take them to a friend's, partly because we don't have any close friends near us, also the cage is too big to fit in the car!

karamcleod Thu 26-Sep-13 13:52:28

You don't have to tell until 15 weeks before your due date, although I always get confused when I comes to english and scottish law. I think it's the same for both. I wouldn't tell as it buggered up my chances of a bloody good job!

Jolleigh Thu 26-Sep-13 13:52:52

shock Baldrick black pudding is the food of the gods!

FoxMulder Thu 26-Sep-13 13:55:08

You go for it Lyra!

Jol I'm sure you don't have to mention it for ages yet.

MummyBee87 Thu 26-Sep-13 13:56:29

On the subject of animals, I love them, especially in the wild. I am elephant mad (even have a tattoo of two of them holding hands/trunks around my ankle!) to that end did anyone watch the 'Tusk' awards? Prince William's speech had me in tears, the thought that some of these beautiful animals like elephants, tigers and rhinos might not be around by the time our beans grow up tears me apart! They're so gracious and don't deserve to be cruelly hunted, i'll be so upset if my child never gets to see one. sad ok actually crying again now cake is in order!!

FoxMulder Thu 26-Sep-13 13:57:47

Elephants ARE cool. They're so...prickly.

karamcleod Thu 26-Sep-13 14:00:40

muddle try wandering around naked I don't think she will really give a fuck about 2 lovely piggies if you answer the door buff! Ahahaha that would be hilarious smile

karamcleod Thu 26-Sep-13 14:02:08

Actually don't, you might get evicted, then I'd feel bad sad

HotCrossPun Thu 26-Sep-13 14:02:55

Baldrick You can't have had decent black pudding then grin

Try Stornoway - you will be a convert!

HotCrossPun Thu 26-Sep-13 14:11:36

I wonder what those minx's Pramala and Rock are getting up to. I'm thinking cakes, tea and plotting world domination.

JustCallMeBaldrick Thu 26-Sep-13 14:16:10

Hot, I don't think I could bring myself to look at any black pudding at the moment! Just knowing what it 's made of would set me to puking...
On the caffeine discussion, I had a lot of coke in the early days, as it settled my tummy a bit, but I went completely off tea and coffee until the last couple of days. I usually have decaf anyway, but this morning I discovered the Neacafe sachets of gingerbread latte - I feel an addiction coming on - and they don't do a decaf version sad. I think I'm going to have to limit myself to one a day, as it's bloody lovely!!

SuperMuddle Thu 26-Sep-13 14:20:10

Haha kara! Would be funny if dh and I pretended to be naturists. "Oh, didn't we tell you? We have a no clothes policy in this house."

hot, did you ever watch Pinky and The Brain? Cos what I think is going down now at rock's place; "what are we going to do tonight, Pram?" "Same thing we do every night, rock. Try to TAKE OVER THE WORLD"

FoxMulder Thu 26-Sep-13 14:24:01

I'm wearing leggings and a jumper dress today, in an effort to wear something other than my maternity work trousers every day, but I feel really naked. It feels like my arse is hanging right out evey time I walk across the office! Despite the leggings, I look like I'm wearing a mini dress. But then I see other people wearing leggings and it doesn't look like that. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. I'm back in the maternity trousers tomorrow!

Beccadugs Thu 26-Sep-13 14:26:12

muddle could you pretend you are looking after them for a friend?

FoxMulder Thu 26-Sep-13 14:28:23

Could you put them out in the garden? In their cage, obviously. I would have thought the 'no pets' thing just meant cats and dogs. When I rented I had a house rabbit, but then our landlady was pretty laid back.

karamcleod Thu 26-Sep-13 14:30:42

fox I love my leggins!! I just bought a pair of knitted tartan ones at the weekend.

FoxMulder Thu 26-Sep-13 14:34:09

I want to love them, but I feel like they may as well be tights I'm walking around it.

MummyPig24 Thu 26-Sep-13 14:39:53

Kara, I really like "freya" bras, they are in debenhams and usually really pretty and are a bargain in the sales. I got one for £6!

I hope pram and rock are having a nice tea date!

Dd is fast asleep, she must be knackered because she doesn't often sleep during the day. She's going to be furious when I have to wake her up in 20 minutes.

Rockchick1984 Thu 26-Sep-13 15:06:12

Muddle am slightly offended that I'm Pinky rather that The Brain grin

Have had a lovely time, Pram is nowhere near as scary as she likes to pretend! My DS is now hopelessly in love with her, and tried to drag her back into the house when she left!

greymoose Thu 26-Sep-13 15:11:14

pram the secret it OUT!

commsgirl Thu 26-Sep-13 15:17:48

Pram you've been outed!

I'm only just eating today. Work is crazy!

greymoose Thu 26-Sep-13 15:19:09

rock you're in big big trubs now!

is it just me or are girls names infinitely easier than boys???

karamcleod Thu 26-Sep-13 15:22:32

gawjus what time is your scan at love?

Anyone able to tell me how many boy/girl martians there are so far the spread sheet won't load on my shitey Blackberry?

greymoose Thu 26-Sep-13 15:23:28

theres 2 boys and 2 girls so far kara !

Jolleigh Thu 26-Sep-13 15:24:03

I'm finding the same grey - though I imagine it's definitely a problem for someone who knows they're having a boy!

FoxMulder Thu 26-Sep-13 15:25:16

Yes grey girls names are way easier. There are loads of girls names I could go for but no boys so far.

FoxMulder Thu 26-Sep-13 15:26:32

I suppose girls names tend to sound quite soft with their 'e' or 'a' sounds at the end, which fits with a baby.

greymoose Thu 26-Sep-13 15:29:40

joll we had a girl name that we both loved and included a family naming tradition in which makes it an even bigger 'ahhh'!

fox same, i feel like girls might have more options? maybe theres more girl names? for boys my name choices just keep going round and round!

boys i either like really popular names that i wouldn't use, or really uncommon ones that dp hates, but none so far that i think THAT'S THE ONE.

Rockchick1984 Thu 26-Sep-13 15:32:55

Grey I think girl's names are easier, but there's more of them that I like so choosing DS's name we had a list of about 3/4 names; we already have about 10 girls names that we like and we only found out 2 days ago what we are having - will be harder to narrow them down smile

karamcleod Thu 26-Sep-13 15:34:46

We've got a name for a boy and possibly one for a girl, including middle names. Choosing a name is stressful!

Jolleigh Thu 26-Sep-13 15:36:21

I'm finding exactly the same...can you imagine little baby Bruce? And I'm not keen on any really common names other than Ben. But the biggest cunt of an ex I've ever had was called Ben and as I work in the same building as him still and people here are aware of that relationship, that would be a horrendous decision. (turns out he wasn't as 'separated' as he claimed to be...even manufactured an 'I should move in with you' proposal when his wife started suspecting he was playing away)

FoxMulder Thu 26-Sep-13 15:38:07

How about baby Alan? grin

FoxMulder Thu 26-Sep-13 15:40:59

Hmm, you definitely can't have Ben then Jol. He sounds like a right wanker. It's probably best to avoid names of exes. Luckily for me I don't actually have any, so that leaves the field a bit more open.

commsgirl Thu 26-Sep-13 15:41:27

I think girls names are so much harder! We've got a couple of boys names we love, but can't find any girls names!

karamcleod Thu 26-Sep-13 15:44:19

We have an acidentally made up name for a girl but we both love it, no one else seems to like it sad

Rockchick1984 Thu 26-Sep-13 15:45:08

Go on Kara you can't say that then not tell us...

FoxMulder Thu 26-Sep-13 15:46:08

I like names with a 'ph' sound in them. Like Joseph or Sophie. Think of some more for me!

greymoose Thu 26-Sep-13 15:46:54

kara can you share the made up name? if not what do you mean made up?! I'm intrigued!!

joll yeah maybe not ben then! fox hahaha oh brilliant!

comms HOW.

karamcleod Thu 26-Sep-13 15:50:51

Connor Michael Alexander Mcleod
Makella Norma-Jean Mcleod

Neither are sent in stone but there the only 2 we've actaully agreed on and we've been thinking of baby names since Dec 2011!

greymoose Thu 26-Sep-13 15:51:05

i love 's' sounds in girls names! boys i love hard c's or k's

fox theres loads! for less common ones how about delphine, persephone, etc more common like phoebe, francesca, stephanie?

cant think of many boys with it in off the top of my head!

SuperMuddle Thu 26-Sep-13 15:55:02

Sorry, rock! Pinky gets the best lines though...

Girls' names are so much easier; I could come with four or five very quickly, but struggle with boys' names. Part of it for me is that it's easier to find a not-too-popular-without-being-weird/pretentious girls' name, but a lot of boys' names are either in the top 100, which we want to avoid, or a bit too 'out there' for our tastes!

karamcleod Thu 26-Sep-13 15:55:41

we haven't decided on spellings yet either so Makella might be Makellah, Makela, Mackellah, Mackela ect. I think you can kind of please yourself when you make it up can't you?

greymoose Thu 26-Sep-13 15:59:27

super this is exactly where i am!

kara envious of the agreement, what i would give.....

FoxMulder Thu 26-Sep-13 15:59:46

No way could I only look outside the top 100. I mean, 100 is a lot of names. There's some pretty random ones towards the bottom. I'd rather it was outside the top 10 but I can't guarantee it. I think we're a bit too ordinary to pull anything too different off.

eln77 Thu 26-Sep-13 16:00:28

i'm definitely going to have a nightmare with names... i'm pretty traditional (think William, Thomas, Oliver etc), whereas DH wants something a little more... well... radical! so far his favourites are Ecthelion (I have no idea how its spelt), which he saw on the titles for some dull as programme, and Denethor which sounds like something out of lord of the rings...

i'm beginning to think he hates our son!!!

weirdly he thinks girls should have a more traditional name and really likes Elizabeth and grace!

I'm really not sure where the logic is here! girls are so much easier than boys.

FoxMulder Thu 26-Sep-13 16:05:03

Hana is underrated. My niece is Hana and she is uber cute.

commsgirl Thu 26-Sep-13 16:06:23

DP is just so picky but has absolutely no sensible suggestions and won't even entertain a name that he can't make a 'good nickname' out of it. I hate nicknames/shortenings despite using one myself. I'm not confident we'll ever be able to name a baby.

Grey I don't know! I just can't get inspired with girls names.

SuperMuddle Thu 26-Sep-13 16:08:49

Good point, fox. Maybe I'll look more for names outside the top 70 or so. Just don't want DC to be one of three or four in his/her class!

eln, Denethor is one of the characters in lord of the rings! He's the one who rules Gondor in the absence of a king, and ends up committing suicide by fire when he thinks his son's dead. Maybe steer your dh away from that one...

Some of the female characters' names are beautiful though. I love Arwen, but simply wouldn't be brave enough.

FoxMulder Thu 26-Sep-13 16:09:10

comms you could go down the Dirty Dancing route and just call it Baby? grin

commsgirl Thu 26-Sep-13 16:10:29

Can't make a 'good nickname' out of that though can you Fox?!

JustCallMeBaldrick Thu 26-Sep-13 16:12:01

I'm so glad we're in team pink, as we had no boys' names at all! Not that we have many girls' names, but at least we have some, even if none of them are 'the one'.

FoxMulder Thu 26-Sep-13 16:12:45

I was always one of 2 in my class. It is a bit crap, but not a big deal. If you really loved something, I'd try not to let popularity put you off. Our local primary school here only has 3 classes so there's a good chance the sprog will be the only one no matter what we go for!

Prambo Thu 26-Sep-13 16:13:20

RockChick! You've ruined me! What about my reputation as a hard-faced twat? Thank you, thank you, lovely lady for cake and cuddles with your gorgeous son. What a sweetheart that boy is smile Thank you for all your advice and reassurances and for having me today thanks xx

I seriously doubt the sanity of folk who eat black pudding. Why not squeeze your tampons out and fry the clots?

Foxy, how about Phineas? It is a bible name and also the name of one of Julia Roberts' twins (also spelled Phinehas).

Welcome, Eln, you sound lovely thanks Your husband's names for a boy are really awful. Soz.

FoxMulder Thu 26-Sep-13 16:14:35

Pram No.

Prambo Thu 26-Sep-13 16:15:29

Charming! You did ask for suggestions, you fucking ingrate!

Prambo Thu 26-Sep-13 16:15:40

wink

eln77 Thu 26-Sep-13 16:16:10

super I love the name Arwen too, although we couldn't use it as I have a friend called Arwen (and I wouldn't want to name my baby after her!)...

definitely veto-ing denethor then - I remember which one he is now and he's a loser!!! ecthelion is vetoed as it is, quite frankly ridiculous!

my mum has suggested i book in for an early CS and name the baby whilst DH isn't there!

FoxMulder Thu 26-Sep-13 16:16:14

Can't believe you getting squeamish about sausage rolls and black puddings, you great big pansy Pram. How do you feel about testicles?

Prambo Thu 26-Sep-13 16:19:06

One of my cats is called Baby <absurd>

Prambo Thu 26-Sep-13 16:20:22

Testicles? To eat?

FoxMulder Thu 26-Sep-13 16:21:08

Yes, to eat.

FoxMulder Thu 26-Sep-13 16:30:38

Not as a baby name. I wouldn't recommend that.

BakingEating Thu 26-Sep-13 16:41:53

If you like Arwen as a name, why not try 'Anwen' which is a welsh girls name? I think there are quite a few Welsh names ending in 'wen'.

BadlyWrittenPoem Thu 26-Sep-13 16:53:19

We seem to find girls names much easier as we both like lots and there's plenty of overlap between what we both like whereas for boys we seem to not like as many and mostly like different names. I think the problem with boys names is that there are a small number of names that are very popular and then the rest are more unusual whereas the girls names are more evenly spread and I don't want a really common name but DH thinks the less common boys ones are too unusual. I like Arwen too but I think it would be a bit too "alternative" for DH. We know some people who called their little girl Beatrix which I thought was very clever as it's an uncommon name but one that everyone knows.

BadlyWrittenPoem Thu 26-Sep-13 16:55:37

I also like Eowyn but wyn denotes a male name in Welsh.

greymoose Thu 26-Sep-13 16:58:54

badly i knew a little girl called bronwen which is pretty!

Jolleigh Thu 26-Sep-13 17:02:25

My stepdad keeps suggesting Athelstan for a boy. I practically pissed myself when I first heard it grin

OH has so far suggested Bane, Gandalf, Sebastian (not comical but too long for me), and Alfonzo (albeit the Portuguese version but I hate it) blush

BakingEating Thu 26-Sep-13 17:04:40

Also, I just wanted to say that Saggy and Gawjus I'm thinking of you both (although I'm not on FB so gawj I hope you are ok).

BadlyWrittenPoem Thu 26-Sep-13 17:11:00

Athelstan is an Anglo Saxon name - I think it's the name Alfred the Great gave to the Danish king he defeated.

commsgirl Thu 26-Sep-13 17:17:53

DP's only serious suggestion has been Pete.

BakingEating Thu 26-Sep-13 17:17:57

Kings of England are a good source of unusual names. 'Harthacnut' anyone? How about 'Aethelred' or 'Sweyn'?

No? [tumbleweed]

Anyway, I'm going for something extra-conventional just to annoy my mum. She thinks 'Tomas' is nicer than 'Thomas' hmm

commsgirl Thu 26-Sep-13 17:18:24

I mean serious as in he was serious!

greymoose Thu 26-Sep-13 17:23:23

joll is it bad i like alfonzo haha, i love all those sort of names! don't worry dp has banned them!

greymoose Thu 26-Sep-13 17:23:55

hahhahaha omg comms

Prambo Thu 26-Sep-13 17:37:02

Screaming laughing at Pete grin and horrified at the rest of the names on here shock

Mind you..I'm having Queenie for a girl and Walter for a lad and anyone who doesn't like it can go and fuck themselves (and there are many, believe you me).

Jolleigh Thu 26-Sep-13 17:47:04

BWP - my step dad does attempt to give me a history lesson every time he suggests a name grin they're all pretty outlandish

Jolleigh Thu 26-Sep-13 17:47:41

Someone must like it Grey wink

greymoose Thu 26-Sep-13 17:54:43

joll i like looking at the real madrid/barcelona teams for 'inspiration' wink

i imagine a beautiful Mediterranean child but by sods law i reckon my genes will be wiped out by the irish and then baby xabier will look like a bit of a twat

SoSurprised Thu 26-Sep-13 18:01:01

I am finding boy names difficult too and it doesn't help that I am the last one in my fam and friends to get pregnant so all the good names are taken already.

commsgirl Thu 26-Sep-13 18:19:36

Pram I love Queenie smile

I think DP thinks I'm giving birth to a middle aged man.

We're probably not going to find out the sex. We're finding girls names easier than boys names though! Thankfully we have similar taste in names - classic but not too old-fashioned - so most if our choices are outside of the top 20, which is one of my criteria. I don't want my child to be one of 3 in the same class if I can help it!

greymoose Thu 26-Sep-13 18:28:37

comms why don't you see if he likes jeff?

i'm going outside top 100 and then some for the name if possible

good luck gaw on your scan!!!

Prambo Thu 26-Sep-13 18:28:38

Thanks, Comms!

My egg donor is Czech. I hate the Czechs. Surly bastards the lot of them sad

commsgirl Thu 26-Sep-13 18:34:17

Haha Grey my dad's called Geoff so it's unfortunately off the cards. DP has just suggested Adrian?? He looked dead pleased with himself as well.

Pantomime Thu 26-Sep-13 18:36:08

I quite like Gideon maybe if its a boy though I am tempted to go for a historical inspired names as both the OH and I are huge history geeks.

MummyPig24 Thu 26-Sep-13 18:37:03

I'm finding girls names harder! The only one I like is Isla, but I know 3 Islas already! I sort of have a boys short list going on if anyone is interested:
Sebastien (Sebby is too cute to resist)
Rory
Felix (which dh hates)
Finn
Hugo (dh also hates)

MummyPig24 Thu 26-Sep-13 18:37:39

Ooh quite like Aiden/Hayden

BadlyWrittenPoem Thu 26-Sep-13 18:43:16

I like the idea of having a historical name like Caedmon or something but that kind of thing is too outlandish for DH. He told me Caleb was too unusual and then some friends called their son Caleb and I was like "See! I told you it was a name that people use!"

karamcleod Thu 26-Sep-13 18:51:51

I liked xavier as a name for a boy. Everyone in my family seriously doubts if I should be allowed to name a child!

Prambo Thu 26-Sep-13 19:02:34

Comms, your DH is hysterical in his simplicity! I am having Adrian as a middle name in honour of my dad, without whom I wouldn't be pregnant.

Loving the names!!

Prambo you know how much I love Queenie!!

We are sold on teddy for a boy (short for Theodore). But we found girls so hard to decide on. We can only agree on Molly. I love so many of the more unusual names, but MrM is having none of it sad. I'd love to go to town on them!!

Prambo Thu 26-Sep-13 19:03:06

...that sounds fucking weird. What I mean is, dad loaned us the money for the IVF!

Prambo Thu 26-Sep-13 19:03:52

I love Teddy (my other cat)!

grin Prambo I dare you to make that the title of a thread....

commsgirl Thu 26-Sep-13 19:08:03

Maybs we love Teddy! Would probably used Edward if we went for it but I don't think we will.

Pram grin

greymoose Thu 26-Sep-13 19:09:49

pram i double dare you.

BadlyWrittenPoem Thu 26-Sep-13 19:15:03

I'm laughing out loud at your clarification of what you meant Pram.

Wonder77 Thu 26-Sep-13 19:15:47

pram best quote so far on all threads!!!

OwlinaTree Thu 26-Sep-13 19:18:47

Posting as I catch up....

raspberry we are not planning to find out either, but I love trying to guess!

Wonder77 Thu 26-Sep-13 19:19:50

Don't want to speak to soon but think the nausea has gone!!!!! 14w 1day woo hoo. Sure some other symptom will succeed it but great for now. Still feel like a flab fest though. Need to start running again.

PainAuxRaisins Thu 26-Sep-13 19:45:25

"I am having Adrian as a middle name in honour of my dad, without whom I wouldn't be pregnant" ha ha!! Also pmsl at 'Athelstan' (although the nn 'Stan' is quite sweet). How about Ethelred? Canute? Welcome to eln - I think I'm due the same date as you so a lot of our milestones are the same (20 wk scan in the 1st wk of Nov etc). There's someone else with their scan on Nov 7th as well. Felt my first kick today!!!

karamcleod Thu 26-Sep-13 20:08:48

So can I take it that no feedback on Makella means its a bad un?

Imeg Thu 26-Sep-13 20:24:20

I'm not sure how you're planning to pronounce Makella? Is it similar to Michaela?
As a teacher I find names which have only one pronunciation does make life a lot easier for all concerned...

We agreed first time on my suggestion of first and middle name for a boy (traditional/family names) but really clueless for girls, unlikely to be anything unusual though. I do quite like Arwen now that you've mentioned it on here - husband's family are welsh so there would be a connection there. Is this the girl from lord of the rings? Husband wants to find out so if it's a boy that would make life easier from the naming point of view, and if it's a girl we'll have to get thinking.

I really like black pudding... My aunt made a delicious black pudding risotto when I visited her recently.

x0gawjus0x Thu 26-Sep-13 20:26:59

Sorry to break laurens winning streak

IM HAVING A BABY GIRL !!!!!!!! :D

commsgirl Thu 26-Sep-13 20:28:07

Yay! Lovely news. So excited for you! Xx

Jolleigh Thu 26-Sep-13 20:33:18

I'll be honest kara - I don't like it. Sorry hun blush

Question for anyone who's had the issue...when did your OHs get over the psychological barriers to sex? There's (understandably) less room in there for my rather well endowed other half and he keeps gettingva bit weird about it. He finishes me off in other ways wink but he does talk to me about it after. I keep it light hearted...not a big deal, we can always have fun trying more positions to see if we can make room etc... He knows it's psychological and he's not hurting the baby, so I'm not too worried, but if there's anything more I can do to help normal service resume, I'd appreciate the advice.

Jolleigh Thu 26-Sep-13 20:33:54

Great news gawjus grin

karamcleod Thu 26-Sep-13 20:34:28

Congratz gaw another girl! So 3 for team pink, 2 for team blue!

IceNoSlice Thu 26-Sep-13 20:36:47

Names, such a delicate subject! So easy to offend. My advice is to not tell anyone (especially grandparents-to-be) before the baby arrives as they will be very quick to piss on your chips if they don't like your choice. Bit harder to criticise once you've announced the birth/name.

When 38wks pg with DS (who is called William) and we had decided on either William or Edward for a boy, we were at a wedding seated with an absolutely moronic woman. She got too pissed and was a divorce lawyer so talked about divorce and the high probability of divorce a lot (somewhat inappropriate at my best mates' wedding?!)

Anyway this goon asks if we've chosen a name yet. I say we have but it's a secret. So she launches into a story about how she hates really boring names and how lacking in imagination they are. Using as boring name examples, yes you've guessed it, Edward and William. angry

And what is her darling offspring called. Jonty. Fucking Jonty.

So I, all innocence, say 'oh that's so popular now though isn't it? Really common, top 10 I think'. Ha. In your face Mrs 'I'm so out there'.

Disclaimer: I don't know or care if that is true. I also didn't really hate the name that much, pretty meh about it TBH. But she was such a twat I now associate it with her.

IceNoSlice Thu 26-Sep-13 20:38:39

Congrats gawj, another for team pink!

PainAuxRaisins Thu 26-Sep-13 20:40:24

A girl! - Congrats gawj

PainAuxRaisins Thu 26-Sep-13 20:43:48

William/Edward/Thomas etc. - not boring - more classic. Whereas Jonty hmm ?

Congratulations gawj grin

HotCrossPun Thu 26-Sep-13 20:45:14

So pleased for you Gaw thanks

Pram That is my favourite thing you have ever said. Ever. grin

Joll I think your right to just keep trying out different positions. I normally love doggy style. We were having a whale of a time, moved in to that position and I felt like I was being boned by a hot poker confused

I'm sure somebody will come along in a minute will a full proof position that is fun for everyone! <hopeful>

IceNoSlice Thu 26-Sep-13 20:45:49

Thanks PainAux smile

PiratesMam Thu 26-Sep-13 20:46:07

I'm so conflicted - I was wrong, but Gawjus you wanted a girl didn't you! Congratulations!!! grin

Congratulations Gawj!

Now. Sex. I haven't found anything uncomfy yet. But my god, is it just me or are anyone else's orgasms ten times more powerful than normal?

You're right about names. I showed my mum a list. It was 'no, no, no, maybe, no.....' <sigh>. But then it was the same reaction DH have to my list sad

Prambo Thu 26-Sep-13 21:01:59

Lovely news, Gawj.

Kara, I don't like Makella, I'm sorry.

Jonty is such a gay name! That woman sounds like a proper trollop, Ice.

I've never orgasmed whilst being screwed doggy style. Mind you, I can't orgasm through penetration alone (and I am not ashamed to say I despise women who can) grin

I can't normally either Prambo wink

Also, I laughed out loud at Jonty.

Kara. I don't mind your name choice at all. I think names are so very personal aren't they. And lets face it. Nothing is worse than Jonty wink

Jolleigh Thu 26-Sep-13 21:06:24

NoMaybe - oh god yes, I'm sat grinning like a Cheshire cat wink possibly why I'm not overly concerned

commsgirl Thu 26-Sep-13 21:09:28

Maybs agree with the orgasms!

I'm not showing anyone our name list, I'm just going to present them with a named baby so they can't argue.

JustCallMeBaldrick Thu 26-Sep-13 21:12:05

Congratulations xgawjx - go team pink!!!

Sex? Oh yes! Any time, any how right now (as long as we're in bed fairly early, otherwise I'm snoring...)

lumpylumps Thu 26-Sep-13 21:13:36

Kitty-rose for a girl. I don't like hyphenated names but adore kitty but wouldn't be able to not call her kitty cat. So figured hyphenating might stop me. The Rose is cos the boys have already named her rosie!!
If it's a boy I'm buggered! Could I call him kitty???? I need boy suggestions. I have a Toby and an Oliver!

Yey on the girl news gawj hope you're okay.

karamcleod Thu 26-Sep-13 21:39:00

I hate when people apologize for giving an honest opinion!
21 days is ages I want to know if I'm having a boy or a girl. I am waayyyy to impatient.
Baby is really active again tonight, I really didn't think I'd feel the little mite quite as much, being a fat fuck an al!

karamcleod Thu 26-Sep-13 21:43:03

Who's next for gender reveal? smile

Jolleigh Thu 26-Sep-13 21:43:14

ooh Lyra - I watched The Purge! Really enjoyed it grin I do think they could have done more with the idea though. Maybe a sequal to take it further?

SuperMuddle Thu 26-Sep-13 21:46:42

raisin, my 20 week scan is on the 7th November. I think we were date buddies at our dating scans too!

Congrats gawjus! Go Team Pink!

kara, I quite like how Makella sounds, but not how it looks on paper, IYSWIM. I love names ending in -ella, although it's slightly surname-y somehow. That's just my opinion though, please do ignore if you've fallen for the name!

Possibly me Korma. Im back in London for a heart scan on Tuesday, and will be asking insisting that the sonographer take a look! grin
Im fairly convinced Im on team pink, not knowing is driving me mad!

SuperMuddle Thu 26-Sep-13 21:51:14

lumpy, you could call him Kit? I'm sure that's short for something really obvious but I can't think what!

BTW, DH and I got away with our clandestine guinea pigs when the landlady came round! No nudity required... grin

karamcleod Thu 26-Sep-13 21:54:56

I think I guessed girl going by your scan photo saggy but tbh I'm not the greatest at this guessing malarky.

Lumpy I love Kitty-Rose smile

I have decided I am having a BOY because I saw a really cute jacket for a boy today and I'm going to be pretty pissed off I don't get to buy it!

Sarahb8990 Thu 26-Sep-13 21:55:52

Wow since not being able to get on recently we've moved on 2 treads!

Congrats on the pink news gawjus :-)

Iv got my gender scan booked in for 19th seems soo long away tho :-(

Hope everyone is ok

greymoose Thu 26-Sep-13 21:57:18

Super - Christian I thought kit could be short for, someone at my school did this but don't know if it's a common shortening or not!

Congrats gawjus!

Sorry, Kara not Korma! blush
She has been christened Eve by DD14.

commsgirl Thu 26-Sep-13 22:00:08

Lumpy Kit short for Christopher smile

karamcleod Thu 26-Sep-13 22:03:13

Thanks sag I want korma now sad I like Eve. My best friend growing up was called Eve and I still love her to pieces smile

Jolleigh Thu 26-Sep-13 22:18:22

My most irritating craving so far: a Persian dish called Gormeh Sabzi. I can't find a restaurant in Manchester that serves it. My ex's step brother who lived with us is Persian and we used to make it together, but he was the person who knew the recipe and none that I look up seem the same sad

I'm going to have to try it at some point I suppose but I just know the flavours are too delicate for me to master. I'm normally a 'big' flavours kind of cook.

Prambo Thu 26-Sep-13 22:21:47

I find women lie about two things: how much sex they're having and what they weigh.

I'm 7st 8lbs and getting fucked every morning and twice at night grin

OwlinaTree Thu 26-Sep-13 22:24:08

Hummm really fancy peanut butter now!

OwlinaTree Thu 26-Sep-13 22:28:54

Welcome elm congrats on a boy!

OwlinaTree Thu 26-Sep-13 22:36:29

grey and fox no boys' names sooooo much easier! Me n DH struggling to agree on any!

Rockchick1984 Thu 26-Sep-13 22:38:53

Woo hoo congrats Gaw - you wanted a girl didn't you?!?!?

Pram I couldn't orgasm through just penetrative sex until after giving birth, now I can pretty much every time. Quite a common thing apparently as the nerve endings are closer to the surface in there once you've shoved a baby out. Keep your fingers crossed you don't need a c section grin

Flamin' 'eck, so much to catch up on!

Ok, going back a bit (soz).

JK, yes, I ordered the Orb in Berry. Very pleased with it.

Saggy, good to have you back, lady. And Sarah, you've been MIA for ages!

Owl, I have a bigger left boob, which by your theory means boy but Gawj just proved you wrong wink

The peanut discussion has been thoroughly done but just wanted to add that my friend has three boys and only gave up nuts during her second pregnancy. Guess which boy has the nut allergy?

Prambo, I guffawed at your dad/pregnant post but thought it was just my weird mind till I saw your clarification. Classic!

Joll, DP was a bit weird about sex at first because he was worried about hurting the baby hmm He's over it now though wink Glad you enjoyed the film. I'd also have liked to have seen what went on elsewhere during the purge but they did have the grainy TV footage.
I hope you saved me some of your steaks from last night.

Gawj, lovely news smile thanks

apprenticemamma Thu 26-Sep-13 22:52:11

Congrats gawjus! And any other gender reveals I've missed!

I'm feeling sore, tired and uncontrollably tearful so I'm not going to contaminate y all with my mood especially with all the creative name chat taking place..I'll catch up properly soon..
((Slinks into corner to weep and eat worms))

OwlinaTree Thu 26-Sep-13 22:53:51

Congrats on a girl gawjus! How exciting!

Me n DH have a couple of names we like for a boy, but struggling with a girl. Then he said what about Penelope? Both like it, great. Then friends have a baby at the weekend and it's called... Penelope!! So back to the drawing board then. Sigh.

I know someone with a Jonty. Just sound so posh to me!! But each to their own. prambo is Walter named after breaking bad?

Fox, here ya go:

www.carphonewarehouse.com/mobiles/mobile-phones/SONY_XPERIA_E/MONTHLY?colourCode=WHITE&feature4G=T

It's the phone I bought DS1. It's £1 more expensive that when we got it but still a great deal. And they let us tweak it to have more inclusive call minutes and less data so you could probably do the same if you needed to. Buy, buy, buy!

Jonty is just awful. So posh and sounds horrible.

Prambo Thu 26-Sep-13 23:36:35

<strokes Apprentice's hair> What's up, sweetheart? Do you want to talk about it? Here, have these: thanks

Owl, I've never watched Breaking Bad but someone else on here asked me the exact same question! No..I've loved the name ever since I watched Ian McKellen playing a mentally disabled man in a film of the same name.

Me & th'usband just had sex doggy style and it was rubbish. At least I was able to watch the telly at the same time.

Coolhand Fri 27-Sep-13 00:06:40

Seriously promised to get to bed early tonight but cannot help but get caught up on here. First of all, congrats Gawjus a beautiful girl!

Apprentice hope you're feeling better soon.

Pram you never fail to amuse me but today was seriously priceless.

Jolls on sex. My DH is a big guy, 6'10 and well proportioned all over. Ordinary condoms won't fit him for example. We haven't ever cracked the sex in pregnancy thing though - there is a bit less space and for us that is an absolute killer - we've tried lots of different things but penetrative sex just doesn't really work - it's painful for both of us. If you find an answer, please tell me as we're second pregnancy in and none the wiser.

Right off to bed

Jolleigh Fri 27-Sep-13 07:05:31

Thanks Lyra & Cool. Well looks like we'll just have to keep at it in the bedroom or wherever else takes our fancy and enjoy the ride. I could ride him! Now there's an idea wink Cool - we have the condom issue too...not for too long though...we got checked out for minge-rot shortly after getting together so we could leave the rubbers and rely on my implant instead. Lyra - I unfortunately did not save any steak. I chewed and swallowed every mouth full slowly while making the same noise Homer Simpson does when he gets something tasty wink

grin Joll' pleased you're all clear on the minge rot front.

Now, what steak did you have? Did you have a sauce? What sides? Details please.

Cool 6'10 shock <thanks her lucky stars DH is a sturdy 6 foot>

Hope you're feeling better today Apprentice

I've had no sleep. My back is so sore and crampy. Cannot get comfy so I gave up to drink tea.

SuperMuddle Fri 27-Sep-13 07:27:58

I would suck minge-rotted cock for a rare fillet steak, pepper sauce, and decent chips...

apprentice, are you alright?

OwlinaTree Fri 27-Sep-13 07:40:22

Thinking of you apprentice hope you feel more cheerytoday.

karamcleod Fri 27-Sep-13 07:56:39

Apprentice hope you are feeling better soon.

I bought some beautiful fillet steak yesterday, was looking dfor some chateux briand but out of luck. I can't wait for tea tonight smile I'll put some food porn up on facebook.

On the height/size thing, OH is 5'10. And I'm sayin' fuck all else. Anyway that's why Anne Summers exists.

In other news I am severely constipated! So I'll have to get some dried apricots, why is being pregnant so sexy?

BakingEating Fri 27-Sep-13 07:59:31

Morning all. I'm off on a work trip today. Supposed to be with a colleague but he's not on the train confused

Love all the name talk. Love Christopher/Kit and Catherine/Kitty. Jonty sounds like a problem child...

liberuna Fri 27-Sep-13 08:11:48

Morning
Having same issues with man-size fun. Has anyone tried both sitting up ?

I quiet like makella What ever the spelling. And Walter is a llovely strong man name. Not sure about canute, im sure that's a swear word somewhere. Worth putting it in Google just in case.

"Nice to meet you ,my name is minge-rot" jo I don't even want to know what that is

Jolleigh Fri 27-Sep-13 08:32:47

NoMaybe - I had the trio of medallions (fillet, rib eye and I think the last was sirloin) all rare. Served with chips. Sides of spinach, tomato salad and bernaise sauce. And they made me virgin mojitos which were really quite amazing. I've done a review on trip adviser which should be published today if you fancy having a look on there...it's really detailed grin

liberuna - not tried both sitting but bump will shortly get in the way I'd imagine. And my OH, though a well endowed man, does like to be balls deep wink Don't think it's a great position for that.

Glad I've amused people on the minge-rot front grin Nothing quite as reassuring as a clean minge and knob combo.

Jolls, I'm drooling. At the steak, not the clean minge knob combo. I'm off to find your review.

Jolleigh Fri 27-Sep-13 08:47:16

It got submitted yesterday so should arrive to view at some point today. smile

Amazing review. My tummy is growling.

commsgirl Fri 27-Sep-13 08:56:28

I'm eating fruit pastilles for breakfast.

Hope you're feeling better today apprentice

Jolleigh Fri 27-Sep-13 09:09:40

Ooh, is it on there? I hadn't had notification yet.

It is indeed Joll!

Good move Comms

liberuna Fri 27-Sep-13 09:22:06

I keep forgetting bump will be huge. <wails> Must have the balls deep sex!

I can announce I have finally gone for my bikini wax. I can also tell you it's the last one I'm having during pregnancy. Eeeouch! <john Wayne walls off into the sunset>

liberuna Fri 27-Sep-13 09:22:44

*walks

eln77 Fri 27-Sep-13 09:23:10

Morning everyone!

Congratulations gawjus on your little girl!

prambo I did a double take when you wrote your ‘father’ comment – really freaked me out for a second there!

I’ve just demolished a packet of mentos if that makes you feel any better commsgirl

On the girl front (which is of no use to me given we’re having a boy), some more unusual names just to throw out there – tacita, emmeline? I also like agnes although this is mainly because of a girl I met on French exchange years ago who had that name but it was pronounced ‘anyes’ which I loved (think French accent here!)… any takers? I also like the name Penelope but would never use it as my grandmother’s dog was called it!

i'm screwed for boys names. DH keeps calling bubba ecthelion. I think i'm going to punch him at the rate things are going

(DH that is, not punching the baby!)

commsgirl Fri 27-Sep-13 09:23:21

Not so much, I feel sick now sad

On sex positions, we tried lying down facing each other last night which worked with my painful hips/pelvis. Not the deepest though!

commsgirl Fri 27-Sep-13 09:25:53

Eln it does, thank you. Emmeline is a beautiful name. I worked in France as a nanny last year so only seem to be able to come up with French baby names, which DP swiftly vetoes!

karamcleod Fri 27-Sep-13 09:41:31

I had a ham and edam cheese toasty, 2 capri sun's and half a bag of cadbury's wishes and 4 victoria plums, I'm still hungry. I hate this..

eln77 Fri 27-Sep-13 09:58:04

I like to think of my packet of mentos as a breakfast amuse-bouche... now i'm moving onto proper breakfast... this usually consists of eating my bodyweight in toast.. yum yum!!

I also like the name Kara and Marnie for girls... just can't think of any boys names! urgently need to though as if its left to DH our baby will be screwed!

FoxMulder Fri 27-Sep-13 10:10:23

Is anyone going to go with the 'wait and see what it looks like' technique of baby naming?

With sex positions, I have found recently - and this might be a bit too out there for some of you ladies - but missionary is really good grin. Never done it previously, but for some reason it really does it for me now. Former favourites are off the table now anyway.

I seem to be getting sex cravings much like I'm getting food cravings. I.e. when I want it, I want it NOW and must have it immediately.

karamcleod Fri 27-Sep-13 10:11:58

eln Kara is a beautiful name, if I do say so myself! smile

eln77 Fri 27-Sep-13 10:20:14

indeed it is karamcleod wink

commsgirl Fri 27-Sep-13 10:20:45

Fox me too!

On the name front, we're not going to set a name before baby's here but we'll have an idea. Babies all look the same to me anyway.

karamcleod Fri 27-Sep-13 10:25:28

comms I have to disagree!

karamcleod Fri 27-Sep-13 10:30:33

Can I ask you lot which spelling you prefer?

Connor
Conner
Conor
Conchubhar (OH is half irish)

commsgirl Fri 27-Sep-13 10:33:56

Kara I think they just all look like babies, they don't look like a name.

greymoose Fri 27-Sep-13 10:35:48

kara Conor definitely!

Bit of a morbid one for you - we want to put a 'will' in place so that if both me and dp were to die my mother gets guardianship etc, has anyone done just this rather than a proper will with it? What does it involve?

FoxMulder Fri 27-Sep-13 10:37:34

Maybe when it's your own though, you look at it and go 'yep, he's definitely Jonno' smile <devil's advocate>

Kara I like Connor

Got my flu jab this afternoon. Anyone else had one yet?

commsgirl Fri 27-Sep-13 10:38:13

Kara Conor smile

Grey we've been thinking about this. I'll be interested in people's answers!

greymoose Fri 27-Sep-13 10:38:38

fox mines in 20 mins sad they don't tell you how many needles they'll be shoving in you during pregnancy

Haven't had mine yet Fox, will speak to the mw when I see her.

Kara I like Connor.

Grey I have no idea how to go about that!

commsgirl Fri 27-Sep-13 10:44:46

Fox haven't had mine yet. Seeing the me on Tuesday so will mention it then although we'll have a nurse coming into work in a few weeks to do them so I might just wait until then.

MummyPig24 Fri 27-Sep-13 10:50:31

apprentice are you feeling better today?

kara Connor is the most common spelling so I would go with that to save all the "how do you spell it?" Saying that we picked the most common spelling of dds name and still nobody gets it right. It pisses me off!

I've just been to a Macmillan coffee morning, it was lovely. My mum was cared for in a Macmillan hospice so it's a cause close to my heart.

karamcleod Fri 27-Sep-13 10:50:39

I don't think I'll be going for a flu jab.

Siobhan for a girl, thoughts?

eln77 Fri 27-Sep-13 10:51:22

connor gets my vote kara

no mention of flu jabs for me yet, although I've not been to the docs since my booking in appointment (when I saw the mw anyway). got my next appointment in mid October so i'm guessing they'll mention it then (its with the doctor not mw this time)...

got really bad ligament pain today. last night my right side started hurt so bad I actually let out a little yelp...

i'd just like to ask... what is it with commuters and pregnant women?!?! i don't have the 'baby on board' badge yet as i'm not showing so didn't think it necessary. yesterday however i had a bit of a funny turn coming into work on the train so asked a guy sitting by me if i could sit down as i was pregnant and felt unwell... his answer was 'no badge, no seat'!!!! unbelievable. someone else gave me their seat so all was fine but i do find some people astonishing.

i'm going to get me a badge today and then on Monday i'm going to find this tosser and stab him with the needle on the back of the badge. repeatedly.

MummyPig24 Fri 27-Sep-13 11:02:52

eln when you do get the badge, track down the fucker and stab him with it! How rude, I think I would have cried or kicked him!

My flu jab is tomorrow morning.

MummyBee87 Fri 27-Sep-13 11:07:12

Oh my world eln!! I have to say, last time I was there I felt too guilty to get a badge as I'm not showing, I thought someone would moan at me for it. Looks like you just can't win with some people!!! Grrs. I hope you're feeling better now though.
I'm on a bit of an emotional rollercoaster for the next week or so, we picked up a load of baby stuff from our friends last night so a little bit exciting, although I've not had a chance to look through it yet, but we're getting new carpets laid today - mega exciting, but then putting the house up for sale next week so rather sad sad but it will all be worth it in the end to get a nice little house on the right side of Manchester and closer to my family for a bit of support grin. Hopefully I'll get my happy ending before sprog arrives, I'll get majorly depressed if the house doesn't sell angry. Hope everyone elses moving plans are going well!! xx

greymoose Fri 27-Sep-13 11:08:59

eln call your surgery they'll most likely book you in that way!

I thought Conor was most common that's the only way the ones I know spell it? Whoops!

You'll always get people asking anyway, my names very common but they always check it's not spelt the uncommon way!

SuperMuddle Fri 27-Sep-13 11:10:35

I prefer Conor, although Connor is the more common anglicised spelling. Whichever way you spell it, people will get it wrong! Don't like Conner, it looks like a description of someone who cons people...

Siobhan is lovely.

My dh is half Irish as well, so have been considering Celtic names. Had the idea of looking through his family tree for inspiration, but they have not been a very imaginative family when it comes to naming babies!

Will speak to MW in a couple of weeks about flu jab if I haven't had anything through the post before then. Why aren't you having the jab kara, if you don't mind my asking?

karamcleod Fri 27-Sep-13 11:16:44

I had a friend called Ysabeau at school and everyone pronounced and spelt it wrong. Pronounced is-a-bo. Such a shame as its a beautiful name.
I love irish gaelic spellings but there always seems to be problems with pronouncing and spelling in english. I really liked chonchubhar as a spelling but I can see all the problems that come with it sad

karamcleod Fri 27-Sep-13 11:23:48

I'm not having the jab as I got it 2 years ago and I still had the flu a few weeks later, and I've also been vaccinated for rhubella but I don't have immunity that so I don't think I'll bother

Jolleigh Fri 27-Sep-13 11:31:47

What on earth is a baby on board badge!? Sounds like a publuc transport trump card so pregnant ladies get a seat? Makes me sad that we need badges to enforce common courtesy (though I understand a badge could be necessary in the early days before showing if a woman is suffering from pelvic pain or morning sickness). Surely if a woman clearly has a bump, someone just gets the fuck up?!?

Admittedly I may be a bit naive about public transport nowadays. I avoid it like the plague as last time I used it some dirty scrote sneezed in my hair.

Jolleigh Fri 27-Sep-13 11:37:05

Tickets for the Manchester baby show booked smile Same for our NCT antenatal classes. My my I'm organised this morning.

JustCallMeBaldrick Fri 27-Sep-13 11:37:26

I'm so bored!!!! At a coffee morning selling cards, and no-one's buying any. I'm going to have to get some more cake soon...

Joll I have a badge. London transport is a whole other world. People don't care if you have a bump, or if you have a badge. Or both. I nearly passed out on a train the other week, no one would give me a seat. There was a really nice man who said he would make someone move for me, but I didn't want to cause a scene, so he just kept his eye on me. Commuters in London actively avoid eye contact.

Kara you were unlucky to get the flu after the jab. They can only vaccinate for the strain they think will be most virulent, so you must have caught another one. I'd still really recommend getting a jab, just in case.

Mummyp I ran a marathon for Macmillan. They're amazing aren't they.

Are you at one too Joll?

karamcleod Fri 27-Sep-13 11:41:45

I hate bin men.

FoxMulder Fri 27-Sep-13 11:46:18

I can't believe people would be such dick heads as to not take your word that you're pregnant and get up. They should be ashamed of themselves.
Good job I don't have to get public transport to work, our nearest bus/train station is a 90 minute walk away!

Jol are you going to the show tomorrow?

That reminds me I have GOT to call NCT and find out if the local one according to the website really is the local one. It seems a long way away.

Kara You might have already had the flu virus before you had the jab. They incubate for ages. Or it was just a different strain. Flu can be really dangerous for us preggos.

I like Siobhan by the way.

Jolleigh Fri 27-Sep-13 11:47:31

Indeed NoMaybe I'm at the show tomorrow for as long as it takes for DP to start complaining anyway

People can say what they like about northerners, but if a pregnant woman was stood up and someone refused to move, I'm nearly certain someone would remove them bodily from their seat. I've never even seen a pregnant woman have to ask if she clearly has a bump. Were these people raised by pigs?!?

FoxMulder Fri 27-Sep-13 11:48:56

Ooh, might see you there Jol

SuperMuddle Fri 27-Sep-13 11:49:11

What have the bin men done to incur your wrath, kara?

And where the hell is prambonerlover???

Jolleigh Fri 27-Sep-13 11:54:05

Id you're on the Facebook page I shall study your pic so I know who to keep my eye out for! wink

Jolleigh Fri 27-Sep-13 12:00:22

Found you! Holding a lamb. Don't think I'll have that good a clue tomorrow!

greymoose Fri 27-Sep-13 12:00:25

Joll - I think the same about Somerset area I cannot even imagine someone reacting like that!!!

Kara I have the same with rubella - had the vaccine but not immune, def get the jab though, I get it anyway though (since living in medicated California and Being brainwashed wink)!

Inspired by pinky and the brains world domination attempt yesterday grin we need to organise our south west meet up soon, let's get going with something on the facebook and see what we can do - obviously if you're not on the Facebook come still haha!

SuperMuddle Fri 27-Sep-13 12:06:55

grey, I'm definitely up for a meet up. I shall keep an eye on Facebook for updates. Let me know if you want me to scout out locations, help with organising, etc. How many SW Martians do we have?

Joll and Grey I agree with you. I've spent time up north and in the south west and can honestly say that everyone is lovely. This is very much a south east/London thing. And since working in London, I've noticed you just get miserable. When we go down to Devon and people say good morning, it makes me jump! Unheard of here!!!

Do i need to go to the GP if I have a temperature? I feel generally really unwell today but I don't want to waste their time.

karamcleod Fri 27-Sep-13 12:12:17

I forgot to put the bin out so was doing a mad dash to the bottom of the drive got there at the same time as the truck and he told me I need to get out of my bed and stop watching jeremy kyle and them threw the bin at me when he'd emptied it, I had to pick it up off the ground whilst holding back A LOT of bad words.

I've lost a lot of people to cancer so big respect to you lovely lot doing your bit!

commsgirl Fri 27-Sep-13 12:12:29

Maybs definitely go, especially with a temp. You're pregnant not time wasting!

SuperMuddle Fri 27-Sep-13 12:13:04

marbs, I'm not sure if a high temperature might be risky for the baby. Maybe phone nhs direct and see what they say?

FoxMulder Fri 27-Sep-13 12:16:03

Ha Jol Prob won't be holding a lamb tomorrow. Prob won't be dressed like that either unless there's a freak blizzard.

HotCrossPun Fri 27-Sep-13 12:16:13

London transport sounds horrific.

I can't imagine a situation where at a few people at least wouldn't get up so a pregnant woman would have a seat, let alone refuse when asked!

Nobody has mentioned anything about a flu virus to me? Is there a certain time you are meant to get it?

SuperMuddle Fri 27-Sep-13 12:16:14

shock You're clearly a lot more even tempered than I am then! I don't think I'd have bothered to hold back the swear words, and would probably have thrown the bin back at the condescending little fucker's head. I can be a bitch at times...

FoxMulder Fri 27-Sep-13 12:28:01

Hottie There was a letter in the pack I got at booking in about the flu jab. You can get it at any time in your pregnancy during the flu season, which is just kicking off. I had to call my GPs to get an appointment.

HotCrossPun Fri 27-Sep-13 12:33:36

Gotcha Foxy, I'll give them a phone smile

Prambo Fri 27-Sep-13 12:39:30

I would suck minge-rotted cock for a rare fillet steak, pepper sauce, and decent chips...

I squealed at this, Super! grin

Cool, I thought my fella was tall at 6'5"! He has a mighty schlong, too, but I combat this whilst riding him by squatting entirely on my haunches over his knob and hovering whilst he goes hammer and tongs. It means he never gets as deep as he would like (because I am controlling depth and my body is never actually touching his; I am simply holding his hips) but he can go as fast as he wants and hence cum. It's tough on the legs, though, and the hovering means your clitoris is never caught up in the motion of his thrusting (boo!)

Can't believe I've only just woken up...

Prambo Fri 27-Sep-13 12:55:17

Is anyone going to go with the 'wait and see what it looks like' technique of baby naming?

No, 'cos then we would all have babies called Pickled Walnut.

Eln, I love Marnie for a girl but my hairdresser just called her newborn that name and she's a fucking hateful slag (the hairdresser, not the baby).

Is it very wrong to skive a two-hour shift at the charity shop?

MummyPig24 Fri 27-Sep-13 13:02:07

Just thought of another name I like, Wilfred. Dh won't go for that though the miserable sod. He's having all sorts of shit at work so I can forgive him for being grumpy at the moment. He may not even have a job next month, which will put us right up shit creek.

Prambo Fri 27-Sep-13 13:09:30

I was engaged to a Wilf. Dreadful name...don't do it, Mummy. Sorry to hear about your worries.

BadlyWrittenPoem Fri 27-Sep-13 13:22:52

I would spell it Connor - if someone just said it, I'm not sure it would occur to me that there were spelling variations and generally I make a point of asking the spelling if I know there are. One of our criteria for first names is that it needs to either be one without common variations on spelling or else there needs to be one which is common enough that people would be unlikely to assume other spellings. People always spelled my maiden name incorrectly so I have a bit of a thing about name spellings (hence why I always ask if I know of variations).

grey I don't think it's morbid - I think it's very wise to make plans. We made a will after our eldest was born for that reason. Plus we bought life insurance so that if one of us dies the other will be able to manage and so that if both of us die, there is provision for the children.

I like Siobahn although it's a classic one for people mispronouncing. (Though possibly less of an issue in Scotland as people would be more familiar with Celtic pronouciation.) A girl on my PGCE course was called Niamh and at our graduation ceremony she was announced as if it was pronouced N-eye-am!

I was offered the flu jab when I was pregnant three years ago but not two years ago and not this time. I had the actual flu two years ago at six weeks though.

eln I'm apalled at the behaviour of that man! Some people are just too self centred. Paris travellers are even worse - I had my daughter get out of her seat on a bus because a lady with a stick got on and some able bodied woman already on the bus jumped straight into it. And on the metro people don't even move aside to let a child hold onto the pole nevermind give up a seat.

BadlyWrittenPoem Fri 27-Sep-13 13:25:35

From what I've read, if you have a particularly high fever this can be a risk particularly in the first trimester. But if in doubt, phone NHS direct and they'll be able to tell you what to do and whether you need to see anyone.

BadlyWrittenPoem Fri 27-Sep-13 13:27:21

Also, if you have the flu and are pregnant they can give you antivirals which shorten the duration of it but you have to be quick as they only work if started within 48 hours. I didn't have them as it took me longer than that to realise I had the flu and not just a really bad cold.

IceNoSlice Fri 27-Sep-13 13:29:41

grey we had joint wills drawn up last November, main reason to set out guardians for DS. If you google Will Aid, there are quite a few solicitors who donate their time in November and the fee you pay goes to charity (ours was £135 for joint wills, I think single was around £90). It's a peace of mind thing.

MummyPig24 Fri 27-Sep-13 13:37:30

Thanks pram. Ok I won't go with Wilf!

This is typical. Just booked the cat an appointment with the vet tonight because he is not himself today and has been lying in the same spot on my bedroom floor all day, looking poorly, now he has appeared downstairs looking a bit better!

greymoose Fri 27-Sep-13 14:01:44

super that'd be great! i definitely think theres a few of us as far as I've seen!

maybe i hope you've gone to docs, i think its worth just seeing what they say - you could always phone the surgery and ask to speak to a doctor when theyre available to save you/them pissing around if they don't think you should come in? i don't know though!

when we first moved to the sw dp looked at me like id just pissed in someones shoe or something when i smiled and said good morning to someone, he couldn't understand that i didn't know them IN ANY WAY.

jesus kara - that is madness!

all those with tall men in their life, when i met dp (5'10ish) i thought he was horrendously short. my dad is 6'4", all exes were 6'3" or taller so i just saw dp as some sort of tiny version of a man and was actually debating whether or not i wanted to date him because of this <shallow> haha. i have readjusted now but still think he is quite short, he hates this but i find it quite funny.

pram did you go to the charity shop in the end?

thanks everyone on the will front - ice that's interesting and not as expensive as i thought, though i suppose id have to wait until the november after the baby was born so the baby's actual name is used? i want it done asap when the baby is born if this is the case as unfortunately there are some people we don't want to have a leg to stand on in bringing up our child in the worst case scenario!

greymoose Fri 27-Sep-13 14:02:17

mummypig he probably heard you. mine make miraculous recoveries when the cat basket comes out!

BadlyWrittenPoem Fri 27-Sep-13 14:19:57

grey as long as you word it correctly, I think you can write it beforehand. Ours says things like "any surviving children" and the like so that it covers them all without needing to be updated every time we have another one. I remember reading that getting married invalidates your existing will unless it clearly anticipates the marriage and I think that the same kind of thing applies to having children but not sure so you'd need to check.

greymoose Fri 27-Sep-13 14:31:06

ooh thanks poem! is there a certain type of solicitor you have to do to? family law? i am clueless on this sort of thing and no one in my family has done it for many many years haha!

BadlyWrittenPoem Fri 27-Sep-13 14:36:48

I don't know how you go about finding one - we bought one of those DIY kits for ours. I presume it's a fairly basic thing which the majority would be able to do unless you had particularly complex circumstances which most people don't so if nobody I knew had any recommendations, I would probably just look in the phone book and phone some up to find out.

BadlyWrittenPoem Fri 27-Sep-13 14:40:19

Just got a phonecall from the Drs receptionist saying I'm immune to slapped cheek. However, as you have one type of antibodies if you are immune from a while ago and another type if you've had it recently and I've been given incorrect results of things in ther past I'm not counting my chickens yet and intend to go in and ask for a copy of the results next week when DH has a half day.

FoxMulder Fri 27-Sep-13 14:43:47

Hey Badly I bet you know the answer to this. Can you take too much vitamin D? My supplements are 7.5, but I believe we are supposed to be taking 10? So do I take two or just the one?

MummyPig24 Fri 27-Sep-13 15:07:11

grey the damn cats gone outside now! Can't believe the cheek of him!
My husband is also fairly short, about 5'9. I am 5'4 so it's fine but he also seems short compared to my family. My dad is the smallest at 5'11, the other men all over 6ft.

commsgirl Fri 27-Sep-13 15:09:36

How did the flu jab go Grey/*Fox*? I've just booked mine for Tuesday.

FoxMulder Fri 27-Sep-13 15:14:51

Yeah, fine comms. I'd forgotten all about it already. They explained why they give it to pregnant women (I can't remember already, but something about how you take shallower breaths because of your lungs being squeezed up in your chest) and that although they've not given it to pregnant women in the UK for too long, they have in America for ages and it's all fine. Then a quick jab and off I went on my merry way.

mummypig my DH is a shortarse too. About 5'9" (and I'm 5'11"). When I first met him I thought 'he's cute, but too short and too young. I hope we can be friends'. I know this because it says so in my diary grin. All Cumbrian men are short though, he looks normal with his friends and I look like the freak.

greymoose Fri 27-Sep-13 15:16:51

mummypig hahaha of course he has! i love them but they are such clever little bastards. mine likes the attic, if you close the hallway door and open the hatch he will somehow get in still and then you'll hear MEOWWWW MEOWWWW MEOWWWWW as if you're the one who decided to put him in there because he cant get down. he has been doing this for 17 years. i'm the same height as you so its not so bad!

comms it was fine, tiny tiny little needle!

I'm not sure whether to ask for the flu jab. It's not automatic here. I had flu last time I was pg with DS2 and it was a hideous experience. But the jab can have nasty side effects. My aunt, who's a nurse, had it last year and was off sick and in severe pain for three days after having the jab.

Foxy, did you look at the phone I linked yesterday?

Not having too much luck with the house-hunting. We've seen one which was big enough but quite shabby inside and with a weird layout (the one with two kitchens) and with horrible views over a car park full of overflowing recycling bins. The house I'm in now overlooks a green leafy park. The others have all been too small. Sigh. I'm not going to move if I don't find anything suitable. Fuck XP and his threats.

greymoose Fri 27-Sep-13 15:18:42

fox i love thinking back to first impressions of people who your feelings have changed on and have actually stayed in your life for a very long time!

DP is 5ft 11 and reasonably well endowed, just the right size tbh. I haven't noticed that I have less room to accommodate him at all. Seems the same as ever. His preferred position is balls-deep doggy style. He refuses to do missionary in case his weight kills the baby hmm

greymoose Fri 27-Sep-13 15:21:27

lyra i thought that was quite unusual! touching wood, but I've been having it for years and never had any problems!

you will find the one! i stand by the idea that moving/house hunting is the most soul destroying task ever but you will find it! what do your dcs think about moving?

FoxMulder Fri 27-Sep-13 15:22:47

I did thanks Lyra, sorry forgot to say. It does sound cheap. I just have so much to think about at the moment. Sorting antenatal stuff & doing the bathroom & other house renovations. And I'm so knackered of an evening that I can't think beyond what to watch on TV. Actually, I can't think much atall, that's why I'm on here all day smile

Sorry the house hunting's not going so well. I guess it can take a while, these things.

Prambo Fri 27-Sep-13 16:02:32

I hate balls-deep sex. It always feels like they've been watching too much porn and have summat to prove.

Moosey, I woke up ten minutes after my shift should have finished blush

Lyra, can you explain again why your ex has 'won' and you have to move? I don't think I understood last time.

Fox, of course, other stuff take priority over phones, or so I've heard wink

Grey, the DC are quite excited about the new house. It's easy for them because XP would be in our current house so they'd still be here when they're with him. They'd just get two bedrooms each in two houses. They also have their own shared bedroom at my mum's. Spoiled!

BadlyWrittenPoem Fri 27-Sep-13 16:06:04

Not sure Fox. I did once read about some (very old) research which found problems in animals given large supplements of vitamin d but that's the only thing I've read specifically about vitamin d supplements. Is it a multivitamin or an individual vitamin d supplement? If it's a multivitamin I definitely wouldn't double up - if it's an individual one then I'm not sure. Personally, unless I felt I was at risk of vitamin d deficiency I don't think I would be concerned about that small a difference but if you are, maybe it'd be worth checking with your MW/GP? (Also, if it is a multivitamin, I just checked my pregnacare and it has 10.)

Pram, he wants the house (which he part owns) and will do anything he can to get it, however nasty. I can't be arsed to fight him. As long as I can find something equally nice and don't lose out financially, I don't mind moving. Fresh start and all that.

HotCrossPun Fri 27-Sep-13 16:07:03

That is an impressive bit of napping Pram.

I have a stress headache. I know paracetamol is fine in pregnancy but every time I have one I feel guilty.

Who's next up for a scan? It's funny to think that we are all pregnant. Can you imagine what these threads are going to be like in Feb/March when we start going into Labour? I for one, am very excited grin

BadlyWrittenPoem Fri 27-Sep-13 16:10:20

Forgot to say that oily fish is the best dietary source of vitamin d as long as you're able to stomach it. I was quite diligent about it last pregnancy as I was housebound and had been housebound the previous pregnancy with only a short gap so felt I was more at risk of deficiency but realised the other day that I haven't been quite so diligent about this time so must make more of an effort.

Prambo Fri 27-Sep-13 16:13:23

Lyra, I'm in agreement; give the shithead what he wants and don't look as though you give a scintilla of a crap.

Hottie, it's ludicrous how much I'm sleeping. I am worried I will never wake up for my baby when it needs me hmm I'm taking paracetomol four times a day to appease constant headaches. They're not as brutal as Edamame's but I'm not coping very well. I'm super-excited, too, Hottie, about the final weeks. It'll be fucking chaos on here grin

Prambo Fri 27-Sep-13 16:14:14

*paracetamol

I have a headache but if I take paracetamol I get stomach cramps so I'd just be exchanging one pain for another. Sigh.

Prambo Fri 27-Sep-13 16:19:51

Moving house 26th October!

Jolleigh Fri 27-Sep-13 16:20:48

How pathetic am I? I'm sat bloody crying because none of my clothes fit. And I really need to snap out of it...I have to take the dog to the groomer in 10 minutes.

FoxMulder Fri 27-Sep-13 16:24:50

Thanks Badly It's just a single vitamin D supplement, not a multi vit. I can't swallow pills and you can't get chewable pregnancy vits (the injustice!). I'm in an office all day, and it's starting to get dark by the time I get home now. I'll make more effort to eat oily fish now I'm not so sick anymore.

FoxMulder Fri 27-Sep-13 16:26:09

Aww Jol don't cry. There there. There there. <comforting>

None of my clothes fit either. Certainly not the trousers. And I don't have any dresses/skirts.

Cassiopeia01 Fri 27-Sep-13 16:26:38

I have just spent the last 30 mins catching up and can not remember a feckin thing anyone said. My memory is shot to fuck at the moment. Sleep deprivation from going to the toilet 5 times a night is just ruining me.

Congrats to all those who have found out what they are having.

Re names. We have a boys name sorted but girls are a nightmare. My surname (courtesy of the husband) sounds a bit too like Fanny when said quickly (spending my life saying FannING not FannY) so thats put quite few names out. I quite liked Felicity, then shortened it to Flick. Then realised Flicky Fanny in the playground would cause the poor child to be tormented... Its a feckin nightmare. DH great grandad changed the surname from Fannon to Fanning. Why? Why? Did it not occur to him that future great-grand-daughters-in-law would one day have the piss ripped out of them by all work colleagues? Asswipe. Hmm I seem to be quite irrationally angry today...

Cassiopeia01 Fri 27-Sep-13 16:28:11

Hmm. Obviously everybody knows they are having babies. I meant sex-wise. As in sex of babies. Not actual sex. I am going to shut up now...

commsgirl Fri 27-Sep-13 16:28:58

Thanks for the needle reassurance ladies.

Jolls I did that the other morning getting ready for work. Awful feeling isn't it? I've now moved all the clothes that don't fit me into another room so that I can't see them and get depressed about it. Hope you're feeling better soon x

Pram exciting about your moving date!

Lyra house hunting is a nightmare. I hope you find something soon.

Sorry for people with headaches sad. I'm taking paracetamol to get me through work but trying to manage without the rest of the time.

We're going to Gaucho. Joll and Maybs this is entirely your fault!

FoxMulder Fri 27-Sep-13 16:31:03

I'm loving the clothes thing, myself. I get to wear elasticated trousers! It's the best thing about being pregnant so far, they're bloody brilliant.

BadlyWrittenPoem Fri 27-Sep-13 16:31:20

Pram if it's any encouragement, I slept 12-16 hours a day in my first pregnancy and I've never had any difficulty waking when the baby has needed me. (In fact when in the same room, I usually wake just before the baby so I presume there's some kind of mother's extra sensing or something when you;re sleeping close enough.)

BadlyWrittenPoem Fri 27-Sep-13 16:32:29

I'm not havng sex - that's what got me into this condition in the first place.

commsgirl Fri 27-Sep-13 16:35:32

BWP grin

Jolleigh Fri 27-Sep-13 16:36:28

Thanks guys - these hormones are a nightmare!

comms - did you read my trip adviser review? You might as well now you're going.

Just opened a letter that cheered me up. Downs risk has come back as 1/100000. So that's one less thing to worry about.

I'm going to Asda soon to see if they have any decent maternity wear for cheap. If not, big sizes of normal clothes are getting me through right now.

Thanks Comms. There's no desperate rush because I can stay in the house I'm in for however long it takes, but staying indefinitely means fighting XP through the courts when I should be concentrating on my new baby.

DP brought some nice fat steaks home last night so we shall be feasting tonight. My children won't eat it any way other than medium rare. I've trained them well. My mum would be horrified. She's a well-done-to-the-point-of-incineration kind of person, as are most people her age ime. Mmmm, dry, tough, flavourless meat. What's not to like?

commsgirl Fri 27-Sep-13 16:48:01

Joll I can't find it!

JustCallMeBaldrick Fri 27-Sep-13 16:53:42

Lyra the Asda near me have stopped doing maternity stuff in-store, only online. The assistant thought all stores were going that way, so it might be worth a phone call if you're making a special trip!

MummyPig24 Fri 27-Sep-13 16:56:18

joll that's great news about the downs risk!

lyra I got jeans in mamas and papas yesterday for £10! I'm wearing my new maternity leggings today. All my new trousers are a bit big but my belly will grow into them.

grey our cat is always getting shut in the cupboard by the front door where we keep our shoes, he's so dopey. He's an absolute softie, a big fat hairball. He's all bright and perky now so I've cancelled the vets appointment and I will see how he is.

Really Baldrick? Damn. Mummy, I don't think we have a Mamas and Papas here.

Prambo Fri 27-Sep-13 17:28:35

Oh, Cass, I'm laughing my head off at Flicky Fanny grin I once seriously battered a girl called Felicity <irrelevant>

I am feeling so, so happy today. And grateful. So massively grateful for the blessing that is this baby smile

SoSurprised Fri 27-Sep-13 18:04:59

Congratulations gawjus
These thread move so fast I have no idea what happening with everyone.

SoSurprised Fri 27-Sep-13 18:05:44

Trying to catch up on previous 10 pages shock

OwlinaTree Fri 27-Sep-13 18:14:26

Connor is my preference. I definatly think they can 'look' like a name, we had 2 choices last time and picked the one that she 'looked' more like.

It's so exciting chatting about names!!

What's for dinner everyone? I'm making spaghetti carbonara, Jamie Oliver recipe, at boys' request. The steaks will have to wait for another time.

OwlinaTree Fri 27-Sep-13 18:21:26

prambo I'm wondering why you have your hair done by a fucking hateful slag?!

We are off to a quiz tonight for Macmillan. Is it a special day for then today then?

OwlinaTree Fri 27-Sep-13 18:29:22

Good news joll

None of my clothes fit. I feel massive, and this is only the start! 17 weeks on Sunday!!

RaspberrysAndIcecream Fri 27-Sep-13 19:03:20

Hello ladies - what's the weekend plan??!!

We don't have any names yet - apart from currently calling the baby batman!! I think it was Mummy on here who said one of her children wanted to call the baby batman when she told them, I told dh who decided this was a good name for the baby now. And it's stuck!! Even I refer to it as batman!! Lol!!

I have a question for u - if you're really tired after work, should u rest? Or should u carry on as normal - like do the washing up, put some washing on and tidy up before sitting down??
Work on a Friday is exhausting and I've done a couple of things but I'm just sat down now, but feeling guilty that there's still some mess to be tidied up?

liberuna Fri 27-Sep-13 19:25:17

raspberry I find I get bursts of energy. So I rest for a little when I get home (eat) and then do a little something. Otherwise i tend to not be as efficient get clumsy, can't remember what I was doing in the first place, end up doing job twice cause can't concentrate

Dinner is currently being delivered in the form of domino pizza. Waiting by door and may shag delivery person as my Nether regions have just about recovered from big mistake of waxing yesterday confused

greymoose Fri 27-Sep-13 19:41:02

Lyra and other grammar and spelling Martians this is for you click here

Hehe, thanks Grey grin

Jolleigh Fri 27-Sep-13 19:45:59

I may need to buy all of those grey. Made me chuckle grin

Imeg Fri 27-Sep-13 20:02:11

I got some chewable vitamin D tablets from Tesco because trying to take tablets was making me sick. They are for children and are only 5ug so I've been taking two. They have calcium in them too but the pharmacist said this would be fine.

I'm sure I saw a variety of vitamin D supplements in Boots, including a liquid one, so I plan to have another look when I have a chance to get there (why do I live in the middle of nowhere again?) as otherwise the chewable ones will get a bit expensive.

SuperMuddle Fri 27-Sep-13 20:05:51

Love those mugs!

Also having pizza for dinner, cos we quite simply can't be arsed to cook. Plus I have to work this weekend so need cheering up. Grumble grumble.

Finally watched the birth video. Was expecting worse tbh.

Prambo Fri 27-Sep-13 20:18:05

Owl, because she's a great cutter and cheap, two factors which enable me to overlook the fact that she's a trollop who thrives on slag-fests. I'm also horribly aware of how difficult it is these days to find a hairdresser who isn't a useless sack of shit.

I've just had a pizza and chips takeaway. I have taken a violent dislike to the new delivery man who appears to come from a country where it is deemed acceptable to hammer on a stranger's window, grinning inanely, and bellowing: 'Pizza for big bungalow?'

Prambo Fri 27-Sep-13 20:34:32

I forgot to tell you that I visited my old rehab today in Bury. The staff were so thrilled to see me and my bump and I felt so liberated and grateful to be stood in the place where I was so ill and so lacking in hope. I thank God for bringing me this far. It's a fucking miracle! smile

liberuna Fri 27-Sep-13 20:38:06

That's amazing news pram congratulations!

MummyPig24 Fri 27-Sep-13 20:40:18

Pram you should be so proud of how far you have come smile

raspberry ds would love to call the baby batman, or rock baby. Dd is adamant it's a girl and she is calling it Lucy, which is the name of her guinea pig, and every doll she has!

maternalflame Fri 27-Sep-13 21:11:42

It's moosey here just debuting my shiny new name wink

Not sure if I like it or not so may go back to good old greymoose I kind of miss it already haha

maternalflame Fri 27-Sep-13 21:12:27

Ahhhh pram that's amazing smilesmilesmile

commsgirl Fri 27-Sep-13 21:18:13

Pram that's lovely smile

Gaucho was amazing! DP and I have been working so hard all week so it was nice to actually sit down and have a conversation.

SuperMuddle Fri 27-Sep-13 21:18:38

That's amazing pram! I hope you are feeling a little bit proud of yourself.

Like your new name, maternalwhowasformerlyknownasmoosey! I now have The Bangles running through my head... grin

BadlyWrittenPoem Fri 27-Sep-13 21:37:27

That must be a right nuisance Fox not being able to take pills. Is it possible to get a liquid or powdered form of vitamin d as then you'd be able to tailor your dose?

We've just been to ikea and got a nice soft foam mattress topper so that I can sleep on my side in comfort - I had no idea how much of a difference it could make until we stayed with BIL/SIL a few weeks ago and they have a soft mattress topper on their guest bed. Wish I'd known last pregnancy! Had dinner there too and it only cost £7.75 for the four of us plus free hot chocolate. smile

Raspberry I've never worked in pregnancy apart from a very small amount of home based admin but if I was going out to work (which I think in theory I probably would be just about well enough for this time as long as it was a desk job) there's no way I would be doing anything after I came home as I just wouldn't be capable of it. In fact currently all I do is look after the children in the day, feed the toddler (because she's breastfed) and do any low energy tasks such as buying car insurance, other online shopping and home-ed planning and DH does all the other stuff (or doesn't based on the state of our stairs carpet!) You are making a baby which is a massive job so don't feel guilty if you are not doing other things. In terms of whether you "should" rest, I guess it depends on how you feel and what impact resting vs not resting will have. Earlier on, I was not even doing the admin things because if I stayed up to do them I would have ended up not well enough to manage at home on my own while DH was at work. Now I'm improving I'm gradually doing more but I'm careful to make sure I don't overdo it to the point that DH would need to stay home from work. If I didn't have a toddler I might push myself harder as I would have more leeway but at the same time, your physical well being is important both for your sake as well as the baby so it's not necessarily worth pushing yourself just because you can iyswim. (Sorry for the ridculously long essay - sometimes I have an inablity to be succinct.)

grey I love those mugs!

It must have been quite something to go back there Pram. I'm glad you have hope and a great future now.

DD1 thought Postman Pat would be a good name if we had a boy during one of my previous pregnancies. It was quite funny as her girl suggestions have always been very sensible (and once actually included the name we had already chosen) but her boy suggestions have always been ridiculous.

commsgirl Fri 27-Sep-13 21:40:39

Grey we have those mugs at work!

Jolleigh Fri 27-Sep-13 21:47:20

ooooh what did you have comms??

BadlyWrittenPoem Fri 27-Sep-13 21:48:12

I can't remember who it was who had the rude man on the tube but I was thinking about that earlier (while ranting about it to DH) and the way I would have understood it was that the point of the badges was that before you are obviously pregnant it can be made obvious so that people automatically offer you a seat rather than you having to ask. And also, if somebody turns to you and says that they are feeling ill and please can you have their seat then you should be giving it to them regardless of whether they are pregnant. (And DH told me that he thinks a man should be giving his seat up to a woman automatically anyway without being asked - he wouldn't take a seat for himself in the first place if it was crowded as by default he would leave them for those in need of them.)

Beccadugs Fri 27-Sep-13 21:48:13

Well done pram!
I go back once a month to the hospital were I was an in patient for PTSD and severe depression a couple of years ago. We have an aftercare group and it is a great way of remembering how to stay well. I get a bit funny going at this time of year, as it reminds me of being an inpatient as I was admitted in October.

I am in agony this evening, I tried to tidy the kitchen and do the washing up and had to sit down. DH had a little moan that I was making him do it all, and I got quite cross. I think he understands a bit more now about how f*cking exhausting growing a human is.

apprenticemamma Fri 27-Sep-13 21:50:41

right I've just about caught up..and

pram you have just started me blubbing again, that's amazing. Could the rehab version of you ever have imagined this?

tAke aways. ..we've eaten 2 nights fish n chips 1 night kfc and two nights mums/mils home cooking..go for it ladies! the baby made me doo it.
wills....ice you have prompted me..will get to it in Nov. would be a single will due to over complicated dh situation etc.

sex..doggy style all the way & perfect for preggo Ness...

crying - perfectly acceptable no matter how trivial! Thanks to you all for your support. Mumsnetters aren't the bunch of bitches the media portrays. Love the banter & supportiveness here. Basically been batshit crazy this pregnancy, mainly hormones + relationship tension + severe work stress + ishoos with my two siblings neither of whom are speaking to me or parents (it's aibu material and I know WANBU!). Am gonna speak to mw also I'm wondering if there are any homeopathy herbal schmerbals safe to take..?

Paracetamol + Flowers from dh + 2 hours break from ds to do some work & relieve pressure = smile

apprenticemamma Fri 27-Sep-13 21:58:40

raspberry my survival strategies for work/ pregnancy are:
-easy meals/batch cook/ take aways
- Lowering housework standards. It's ok if the house is a tip..
- outsourcing my housework, have a cleaner ..can u get one?
- recognizing that not all colleagues will get what it means to be pg so I hold it together as much as poss when working and then unravel once I've put ds down wink
- odd glass of wine
- pregnancy yoga due to start that soon
- bananas for their energy giving properties.

As you can see strategies have not been working so well this week sad but I'm determined!

liberuna Fri 27-Sep-13 21:59:46

bwp re baby badge on tube story.
I would have told him straight " well you don't have a badge saying you're a d*ck but its still true"

London transport is wonderful and weird, usually if you speak up people will fall in line as nobody likes to be singled out. The 'mob' try and hide in the crowd so as not to give up a seat. Best line j ever heard "you! Guy in the red jumper. I have a walking stick. Get up" never seen anyone move so fast.

commsgirl Fri 27-Sep-13 22:16:17

Jol I had the fillet that they marinate in heaven. It was so good I don't ever want to eat another steak again unless it's that one! DP got a little wine tasting session as he didn't know what to have. I really wanted that pudding that you said you did in your review but I had no room either!

Jolleigh Fri 27-Sep-13 22:36:47

Ah so you found it in the end comms? Sorry I didn't link it...I'm practically always using my phone and I have no idea how I'd do it on here! The salted dulce de leche cheesecake sounds like heaven and I've vowed to go back when baby has vacated and made room for more than 1 course of food at a time! And my god their fillet steak is the softest piece of meat I've ever had in my mouth (there's a joke there somewhere!) What did your DP think of the wine? I enjoyed my virgin mojitos but definitely want alcohol next time wink

commsgirl Fri 27-Sep-13 22:57:19

Jol yeah I did. He loved the wine. I would have tried some but the smell of alcohol has been making me feel so sick. The steak was like butter, so amazing. There was a guy on his own next to us who ordered four different cuts. No sides, no drink, just four plates of meat!

Jolleigh Fri 27-Sep-13 23:00:57

That man has the right idea! Though I can't recommend the bernaise highly enough.

Prambo Fri 27-Sep-13 23:01:17

Rasp, I am trying hard not to be glib or to undermine your housework anxieties but please..don't allow some 1950s notion of respectability weigh you down. It makes me sad that women are under this kind of pressure..it's fucking dust at the end of the day. Get someone else to do it.

Apprentice, I've been thinking of you quite a lot today. You are a witty woman who always cheers me up but you sound awfully shackled by stress at the moment. Is it you who has regular relationship counselling? If not, are you talking stuff through with a good friend? I hope you find some peace soon x

Super, you know, it's funny but 'pride' is not something I have felt at all throughout my recovery, just masses and masses of gratitude for the silent forces at work behind the scenes when I was so very ill. Becca, I would love to know more about your own journey of recovery from PTSD but acknowledge that maybe mumsnet is not the place. How are you nowadays and are you still on medication? Ignore that last question by all means.

Apprentice, do you miss your siblings or not? Did they enrich your life and make it better? If not they may as well be strangers. Fuck them off - you don't need them.

Prambo Fri 27-Sep-13 23:16:07

Where's Frankel? Hope you're okay, love. Is hubby home? smile

Coolhand Fri 27-Sep-13 23:35:47

After reading this thread, I am now starving but I'm in bed so will just have to remain hungry.

Can't remember who was asking but I prefer Conor.

Absolutely love the mugs Grey/maternalflame - I teach in an English dept so will definitely have to get some.

Today a colleague told me her daughter (who is new to the school) asked her, 'Who is the one that is really skinny but also pregnant and it just doesn't work?' Thanks for that vote of confidence - was already feeling just wonderful about my body image. hmm

My belly dancing DVD arrived - it is more or less pregnancy yoga by a different name. It is also far too slow moving - 45 mins for a warm up...lost my patience in the end.

Hope everyone has a nice weekend!

CalltheMadwife Fri 27-Sep-13 23:37:11

hey all, has just taken me 2 evenings to catch up! this is what happens when I go to work for 12 hours! Love reading it all though! It does mean I end if staying up way too late when should already be asleep before an early start tomorrow!

I'm trialling a new nickname, formerly Becface as there's already a Becca on here and I always get confused! Also there's something I wanted to get off my chest,
here goes....I'm a midwife and I have kept quiet till now as I didn't want to be seen as the enemy or even an alternative to nhs direct, sorry if this sounds silly, as it is only my job not who I am but mw's do get a lot of bashing on mumsnet and was scared to say anything, but I know from reading this thread from the beginning that the regular posters on here are an amazing bunch of women and I look forward to meeting some/all of you at some point. I don't know if I've articulated myself very well here, I hope I have confused

Anyway enough of that, I love my job but it is not all that I am, I'm still pregnant for the first time and am pleased to say my sickness is definitely on the way out, thank you cyclizine! only been sick twice in the last two weeks (17 weeks and 5 days today) and in other news managed to buy a dress for a wedding next week that doesn't make me look huge and some stuff from the charity shops for when I am huge.

Congrats to those who have had their scans and found houses! and hi to any new people who have joined smile

OwlinaTree Fri 27-Sep-13 23:53:53

grey thanks I've book marked that, my DH would love those for Xmas!

OwlinaTree Sat 28-Sep-13 00:02:33

pram a good reason to use the hairdresser and a good reason to be cheerful, you must have realised how far you had come today, well done!

There's now a June antenatal club. We're now old hands at this. Doesn't seem too long ago that we were discussing bfps and when to go to the doc for confirmation.

Cassiopeia01 Sat 28-Sep-13 03:34:39

Madwife - thanks for outing yourself! I think your job is just amazing. One of my step daughters wants to be a midwife and we are really encouraging her to go for it. But I completely get why you don't want everyone asking you questions! I guess it's as new for you going through it for the first time as the rest of us newbies. And knowing as much as you do probably makes things harder! Well done on getting the dress too grin.

MummyPig24 Sat 28-Sep-13 06:16:13

Madwife that's so cool that you are a midwife!

The kids have woken up really early but have been sent back to bed until a reasonable time, but now I'm wide awake. I have my flu jab in 2 1/2 hours!

CalltheMadwife Sat 28-Sep-13 06:46:36

Thanks mummy and cassio I feel much better coming out of the midwifery closet! I've just got up myself after only 4 and a half hours sleep ready for another 12 hour shift, can't seem to get to sleep recently even though I'm knackered in the evening, had really bad heartburn last night took lots of milk and a few swigs of gaviscon before it went away, I'm gonna be shattered later! oh well!

OwlinaTree Sat 28-Sep-13 07:14:27

madwife 12 hour shift! Crickey, thought they worked me hard!

Imeg Sat 28-Sep-13 07:57:08

I think it's completely different when something you deal with professionally happens to you. I work with animals but dealing with my own pets is completely different - I'm hopeless, can't even clip my own cat's claws at home and have to get someone else to do it...

BNmum Sat 28-Sep-13 08:03:24

Hi ladies, thought I'd check in and say I haven't forgot all of you. I about a thread behind and trying to catch up but finding its an impossible task.

Congrats on the house pram and what a huge step to visit your old rehab, well done.

Congrats on all the gender reveals. I'm loving all the name talk, I'm abit superstitious so refuse to really talk names with DH until my 20week scan but I did love your list mummy. We still haven't decided if we're going to find out the sex yet, I think we'll probably cave but not until after 20weeks.

madwife I really admire your stamina I would be asleep on my feet.

liberuna Sat 28-Sep-13 08:06:05

madwife
A jobs a job. I hate people who's first question is 'what do you do?" Then you get that judging look. Urgh.
I'm not necessarily what I do and if it is, so what? Understandably yours is a little more pertinent to the subject matter at hand grin In the same vein I hope you'll understand if we have a rant every now and then? It's not personal .

RaspberrysAndIcecream Sat 28-Sep-13 08:19:50

madwife I'm a maternity nanny & also do work as a sleep consultant <outs self> but that's my job - I've never had my own baby before and that's the same for u. Good luck with ur 12hr shift. I can only just do a 10hr day - u have my full respect!!!

Badly I've cut back a lot - using click and collect for shopping or home delivery. And no hoovering, DH does that. I guess because we've always split the housework 50/50 I just feel like I'm not doing my bit - but I'm growing a baby and that's bloody tiring!!! pram the house is dusty - my mum has offered to do it. I can't leave it tho, I'm asthmatic and dust can set it off. DH's mother is the most unhouseproud person I've ever met - her house is just revolting (not just dust, but actual dirt and animal shit <puke>) dh grew up like that and he hated it, never had friends round to play as he was to embarrassed by the state of the house. It's made him very house proud - I think he's more 1950s than me sometimes!!

On the very plus side the chimney sweep has managed to book us in, in much shorter time space than expected. So in 3 weeks time we can use the open fire in our lounge. It's my favourite feature of our house and I love it!! Can't wait grin

We might be seeing DH's dad this afternoon, so we can finally tell him.

Have a good weekend everyone.

karamcleod Sat 28-Sep-13 09:49:38

I've had a stabbing pain in my stomach since last night, OH says will just be the babies foot and I am worrying over nothing, surely baby is far too small and supple to be causing this amount of pain?

HotCrossPun Sat 28-Sep-13 09:58:33

<resists urge to ask madwife 4000 questions>

kara Where is the pain? A lot of us have been getting round ligament pain, could it be that?

karamcleod Sat 28-Sep-13 10:43:44

No I've had ligament pain this is different, it's in the left side of my bump sad

lumpylumps Sat 28-Sep-13 10:47:13

Morning all. I also struggle on a Friday. Well, most days really!! I find it hard to sit down and rest because there's so much to do and because I'm still only 17 weeks feel like a bit of a fraud! My pelvis has really started hurting this week tho so I think I really need to be more careful. I'm going to call the physio on Monday.

Works really awful at the minute, there are 4 of us pregnant, 2 are 30 weeks, then me and one at just 5 weeks and she miscarried at 14 weeks earlier in the year so really needs to be careful. There are people off sick and 4 vacancies so we're running on empty. My manager still hasn't done my risk assessment, she comes into the office and ends up crying most days because she's so stressed and we're just so overloaded with work that I just daren't say anything but I'm really starting to struggle!! I'm a community nurse so it's a very physical job and I'm on my own most of the time out on visits.

madwife are you ward based?? Do you mind if we do ask you questions???

x0gawjus0x Sat 28-Sep-13 10:52:11

Anyone like the silvercross prams? Ive been looking at the wayfarer its really nice im torn between it and the bugaboo bee

I had the same think and was told it was stretching Kara. I always found a bath helped.

Prambo I am so chuffed for you. You have come so bloody far. You must feel proud. And if you don't, I'm going to feel proud for you x

Mad I think it's brilliant. My friends a mw and I love her wink

How you doing today Apprentice?

MummyPig24 Sat 28-Sep-13 11:17:45

The flu jab has been had. They don't even offer you a chair, just in, stabbed and out again! My arm is a little sore now but probably because i managed to bang the injection site on the car door about an hour after having it.

I think we might treat ourselves to a lunch out, we never go out anymore so it will be nice. The other day ds said "I wish we could go to a pub" lol!

greymoose Sat 28-Sep-13 11:18:20

glad you all like the mugs haha - i couldn't handle the new name so I'm back to old trusty!

kara I've had that it's just stretching probably so don't worry!

karamcleod Sat 28-Sep-13 11:22:01

gaw I liked the 3D but someone on here told me it was shite, but I've already got my wee bean a bonnie pram.

Beccadugs Sat 28-Sep-13 12:15:40

We've got our new car! Very odd driving a manual, and it's not nearly as nice a spec as the old one was... I am sure I will get used to it though.

Is it wrong to feel overly emotional over a car?

Beccadugs Sat 28-Sep-13 12:21:38

pram it was really hard, but with some fantastic therapists and a lot of hard work I beat the PTSD. I still get what I call the "big sads" and am on sertraline (I came off for most of first trimester due to heart defect concerns, but it was he'll and I am a better version of me with them). I found out this week that my 12 sessions of GP funded therapy has been extended to three months after the birth. Apparently this is to prevent ante or post natal depression, as I am a nut case as I obviously have some risk factors!

Coolhand Sat 28-Sep-13 12:43:19

Becca that's good that you'll be getting support post birth. It can be a difficult transition to make at times so it's good to know it's there.

Flu jabs - last time round, 2 years ago, I was just sent a letter telling me the date and time. They ran a Sat surgery for it and brought the whole team in to get most people sorted in one day. It was v efficient. I am hoping for something similar this time but if I don't hear anything in the next few weeks, I'll contact them.

I've forgotten the name of our outed midwife (sorry on my phone) but I'm glad you've come clean. It's an amazing job - if the odd one of us has a rant, please don't take it personally. Like every profession, there can be the odd 'bad' one but we know that the vast majority do an amazing job and are worked off their feet!

Prambo Sat 28-Sep-13 13:10:50

Today a colleague told me her daughter (who is new to the school) asked her, 'Who is the one that is really skinny but also pregnant and it just doesn't work?'

Oh, Coolhand, I found myself ho-ho-hoing at this! grin

Madwife, you naughty secret-keeper! of course we won't harass you for midwifery crap! (Do I have to wear those support socks giving birf? How do I stop a shit coming out? Will I get to watch Corrie in a MLU?)

Moosey, I loved them there mugs but I balked at £40. That's seven quid per mug. Which is, frankly, wrong.

Prambo Sat 28-Sep-13 13:39:46

Oooh, Becca, I love a happy ending. You've worked hard, no? Counselling is so bloody tough and I salute you. Great news about it being extended. I love security blankets smile

Midwives rock. 'Nuff said.

HotCrossPun Sat 28-Sep-13 13:46:06

Those of you who are unmarried, who's second name are you giving the baby?

I know it makes sense for the baby to take DP's surname, as one day we will be married and that will be my surname too.

But the feminist in me is resisting against it grin

Hot I know a few people that have gone down the double barrelled route?

Becca you've done so amazingly well [thanks

PramAndLeekPie it's eastenders all the way wink

karamcleod Sat 28-Sep-13 13:58:15

My dog hates me since I've been pregnant, it's breaking my heart sad

Really Kara? How so? Mines gone the opposite way. He even escorts me to the toilet and waits outside the door hmm

karamcleod Sat 28-Sep-13 14:14:43

He was my baby before, slept in bed with me, had cuddles all the time, followed me everywhere just generally spoilt a pooch but he's just so distant and grumpy with me. He's snapped at me a few times as well sad I thought I was maybe his age (18 months, leaving puppyhood) but he's fine with everyone else! OH seems to thinks he can sense I'm pregnant and he's not happy about it. I actually can't stop getting upset by this!

liberuna Sat 28-Sep-13 14:38:14

hot to satisfy the feminist in me. Im keeping my name. Kiddies get OH surname. . Not double barrelling because tge combo is naaasty.

Teddybear4 Sat 28-Sep-13 14:39:48

Trying to catch up after a very busy week. DS has been having (big) issues at school (he's in Y1), I've been ill (cold and now chest infection) and just dealing with the usual work/mum/life stuff. I still feel rotten and was sick this morning (first time this pg) and am back in bed feeling guilty about DH having both the children again. I've been ill (and very stressed) for 10 days or so now and I'm worried about the effect on the baby. I've still not felt it move (18 weeks today) which is very different to my last two.

Sorry, it's a bit all about me. Hope everyone else is doing ok with their growing bumps and any inconvenient trials and tribulations.

MummyPig24 Sat 28-Sep-13 15:03:19

Teddy I'm sorry to hear you are having such a rough time. [Sad].

kara hopefully doggy will get used to the changes going on and be your friend again soon.

Prambo Sat 28-Sep-13 15:05:37

Oh, Teddy, all that shit sounds bloody awful. Can any mumsnetters help you with the issues your son is having at school? Please don't feel guilty about your DH having to step up; he promised to look after you in his vows, no? I'm 18 wks today and have felt no movement whatsoever. Your baby is fine. Please stay rational; it is the stress on top of the stress which is giving you dark thoughts. Huge hugs, love thanks

I want to thank Andie, Edamame, Maybe, Stephie & Lumpy for their help and comfort over on facebook regarding my mum's problems. I feel massively fortunate to know you ladies (and others on here). Sorry this is a bit saccharine but I'm bowled over by you, truly. Thanks once again thanks

JK10 Sat 28-Sep-13 15:05:44

teddy what's happened with D'S at sch? Hope u feel better soon

hot my kids have DP's surname, most of the time it's okay but does occasionally have really annoying moments, like when my kids receive a parcel in the post that I have missed and need to collect. I show my i.d and proof of address but not allowed to collect as I have a different surname, even though I can prove I live and im their mum but they won't allow me to take it! Bit frustrating!!

Congrats to all those who have overcome such tough times.

Prambo Sat 28-Sep-13 15:10:01

JK, I miss you on here. How's things with you?

OwlinaTree Sat 28-Sep-13 15:11:58

Wah, have been asleep since 10am and only just woken up!! What a waste of a day but i'm guessing i needed it!

Dreamed i had the baby in the back of the car. scary. shock

Sorry your little one is having some problems in school teddy. Assuming you are in England it's a big change from EYFS. I hope it gets sorted out soon. Resting sounds like the best thing you can do today if you have been feeling stressed and poorly. You are growing a person, you need to take it easy and you and dh are a team, he won't mind looking after the children on his own i'm sure.

Sorry about your dog kara. I know nothing about dogs i'm afraid, so no advice!

SoSurprised Sat 28-Sep-13 15:20:24

Hello fellow Martians,
I woke up today feeling like there were gas bubbles going up and down in my lower stomach. It went on for a good 10 min. Was it the baby? I have been trying to get it to it again by tapping on my stomach a few times but it won't do it again. sad
Any first timers feeling movements already? And how often do they happen?

karamcleod Sat 28-Sep-13 15:32:52

Feeling so pathetic today, everything is making me cry! And this pain won't fuck off. I've had a bath, hot water bottle, paracetemol and I really don't know what to do now sad

Teddybear4 Sat 28-Sep-13 15:44:55

Thanks for the sympathy all. The DS thing is very long winded - in short, he's very gifted but his behaviour is below standard and he's teamed up with a boy of equivalent behaviour standards in his class. I think he needs challenging more, they say they won't do that until his behaviour improves... Chicken and egg anyone? We're both in school to meet with them again this week but I just feel that I'm being looked upon as a bad parent for his behaviour (with total disregard for any of the positives he has). Thank goodness DD is less complex, for now. And number 3 is a good idea because????!!!

The thing with the movement is that I look huge. I can't understand how I can be huge and not feel what is making me that way - irrational, I know!

DH is being great - he's taken the kids to tennis and even looks to have thought about dinner for the first time in forever as stuff is defrosting in the kitchen. I suspect I'll get the grumpy tired routine later though...

SoSurprised - that sounds like it to me!

Edamame Sat 28-Sep-13 15:45:10

Hottie, same situation here re surnames: I really want to have the same surname as my child; for some bizarre reason, DP believes it is traditional for the child to have the father's surname if born to unmarried parents hmm; neither of us want to double-barrel; we don't want to make up a new one; I would change my name if we married one day.
But it's currently unresolved.

JK10 Sat 28-Sep-13 16:16:46

Hey pram all good here thanks, just been so busy and im finding the only time to catch up on here is when I get to bed usually about midnight, then I manage 3 pages and end up falling asleep!! But I'm still here every night doing my best to keep up with u all! Anyway, this is the first weekend without so much on so have managed to catch up! Yay! Gutted I'm probably gonna miss the meet up, would of been lovely to of seen u all but I just think babysitter situation means its gonna have to be a no, if it changed I'll let u know. However anyone interested in a London meet up, who isn't on fb then let me know. Congrats on moving in date! How good does it feel when everything comes together!

so they are all so different, I felt a movement last Sunday but nothing since am 17weeks and my 5th so thought I may be feeling more by now but it will happen within the next few weeks, and will get more and more regular until u have a random foot sticking out of your ribs!! Or u feel ut having hicups! You'll feel it again, and early on it can feel like bubbles,

kara have no advice for u regarding dogs but is it worth a google/dog specialist if it's really hurting u?

teddy sorry to here about ds at sch fingers crossed u get some better news next week. My ds is dyslexic and it causes me probs at home with homework and sch! Sch gives him no additional support as he is not severe enough therefore he is always struggling and at the bottom of the class which is really frustrating esp as he is so clever in so many ways but can't get his work onto paper an struggles with organisation etc. Just a little extra help would go such a long way for all if us!

Jolleigh Sat 28-Sep-13 16:26:13

So, baby show done. Only a short list of purchases...

4 bottles of alcohol free red wine

'Fill n squeeze' baby food pouch set for purees when Alien is a bit older.

Cot bed to be delivered in December.

Wallet lighter. Job done grin

On the name thing, when I had DSs, we gave them XP's surname and because I wanted to have the same name as my children, I changed mine by deed poll. I'd (foolishly) thought we'd get married one day anyway.

This baby will get DP's very difficult surname. I can't give him/her mine because it's XP's surname, and DP would not be happy for his child to have my ex's surname.

I don't like double-barrelling. The only people I know who've done that are quite chavvy.

JK10 Sat 28-Sep-13 16:30:57

pram meant to add sorry to hear about your mum, I know u said no sympathy but it's so hard to see a loved one struggle. Totally non related but my nan who I was so close to had a horrific stroke last year, long story short couldn't speak, paralysed, couldn't eat. Went to see her every other day but was so heartbreaking sad. Really hope u find a remedy to help her.

JK10 Sat 28-Sep-13 16:33:09

joll how was the baby show, was it mega busy? Any freebies?

Prambo Sat 28-Sep-13 16:33:23

Sorry to sound unsympathetic, Kara, but how about relying on friends to make you feel good rather than a dog? Get rid of the fucker and get a tortoise. Huge emotional intelligence grin

Teddy, I wish I could advise you. What a catch-22 at school! Is your son's behaviour quite bad, then? Is it worse than at home? Is he statemented as gifted with behavioural problems? The facebookers amongst us are already arranging a London meet-up, which might cheer you up smile Are you on fb Teddy? if so, you will have seen the latest photo of my bump which is huge and sticky-outy. Still no movement here..

MummyPig24 Sat 28-Sep-13 16:34:09

Surnames: we gave dd dhs surname, we weren't married then. And last summer we changed ds name by deed poll (he has a different father who has not been involved and ds doesn't know exists. That's a whole other story!) Now dh and I are married we all have the same name, which is nice after feeling quite divided for a while, ds and me, dd and him. Now we are all Harpers!

I got my mum to be bounty pack today. When do we get the next one? Is it after the baby is born when they hassle you to have the pictures taken?

Was it fun, Jolls?

DS2 and I have been out to lunch today, just the two of us. DS1 is out paintballing with his dad and some of his friends for his belated birthday treat (August baby).

Then DS2 and I visited the market to buy fruit and veg. For the princely sum of £5 we got:

4 large ears of sweetcorn
10 peppers, red, green and yellow
A bulb of garlic
A large honeydew melon
5 pomegranates
One of those long white radishes
4kg of cherry tomatoes

Not bad, eh? smile

Jolleigh Sat 28-Sep-13 16:50:13

I enjoyed it. DP not so much. He was being proper grumpy for the first half. Cheered up later though. Quite a few freebies too. Went to the sea life centre after grin

Kara, your first stop with your dog has to be the vets. Get him thoroughly checked out. His behaviour may well ve caused by an underlying problem. Then maybe have a chat with a behaviourist. Start a thread in The Doghouse here on MN. There are a few fanatical sorts who will probably suggest that you should keep the dog and re home the baby, confused but there's lots of very good Advice too. Your dog can probably sense subtle changes in your behaviour/personality, and is responding. Im sure he will be fine given time.
What breed is he?

lumpylumps Sat 28-Sep-13 17:14:45

becca we got our new car yesterday. It's lovely but I feel like I'm driving a tank. I'm too young to be driving a car big enough for 3 car seats!!!

I've just been to a baby shower for 2 of the girls at work and got my 1st baby pressie, some booties, a bar of chocolate and a big bottle of badedas!!

BNmum Sat 28-Sep-13 18:08:37

Sounds like a nightmare teddy, is the any chance the school will try and separate the 2 boys during class time so that your DS doesn't have an audience or a bad influence to distract him?

Even though I'm married and I've taken DH's surname I gave DS my maiden name as a middle name. There's only females left on my side of the family so I suppose that branch will die out sad which upsets me and this was one way to continue it. I now have to decide whether this little bubba should also have it as a middle name.

Coolhand Sat 28-Sep-13 18:25:39

Teddy sounds difficult. They should be discussing clear strategies with you to help deal with the situation rather than just pointing out the behaviours and additional stretch and challenge sounds like a very good strategy to at least attempt to me. Try and rest up because you need to get better. In terms of no movements, perhaps placenta is just in the way this time! Or maybe they are a bit more chilled out than the others.

I'm having one of those, I'm a crap mum afternoons. DS was just super difficult all afternoon and I lost it and really shouted at him. Hate it when that happens. But oh well, will keep it in perspective.

Prambo Sat 28-Sep-13 18:54:31

Coolhand, you're not a shit mum! Kids can be shits, no? Nowt wrong with a bit o' yellin' They know you love 'em.

Teddy im 16.2 and have no movement either. I know the little buggers in there, ive had so many scans I should get my own tv channel! My placenta is in the front. Ive googled and some people with this don't feel anything until well after 20 weeks. It's poo because the little kicks are very reassuring, but try not to worry too much!

IceNoSlice Sat 28-Sep-13 19:47:14

Hello all, been MIA since yesterday afternoon and just caught up. Pram sorry I just saw your FB and feel for you but have nothing to usefully add. I have been so sheltered- all the illness etc in my family happened with a generation between, so my mum took on most of the burden of dealing with my Nana's health conditions.

Welcome madwife and I agree with the others with a general respect and appreciation for your profession. How about we refrain from asking you loads of questions if you don't get uppity if we slate some MWs we come across on this journey? I'm sure you're aces in every way smile but, as in every field, there seems quite a range.

I'm in a stinker of a mood today. My parents are here and did us a big favour by babysitting last night but they are driving me nuts today. It doesn't help that my brother just arrived and, whilst not exactly favouritism, they do treat him differently. They pander too him as the 'baby' and make allowances all the time. I'm 32, he's 30 so hardly a child.

I've spent a fair bit of today cooking a nice meal and he's turned up 4 hours later than he said he would (he did text but still, I was a bit put out). But my parents are all 'poor brother, all that traffic, I hope he's ok' and pandering to him - he did hit some traffic but not 4 hours worth. No consideration of me at all. Grump, grump, grump.

Sorry, as you were.

I'm going to attempt to catch up, but my memory is awful today!!

Pram I promise I will reply on fb, my mind is like mush tonight, but I will x

Teddy so sorry you're having a rubbish time sad. I'm sure the baby is just fine though. Have you got some antibiotics now? I hope so.

So I have felt the odd little movements. I'm 14+5. The only reason I know is cos I've heard them through the Doppler, so know what to expect.

Kara. 18 months is a tough age. Ours is 2 now and is much better, but 18 months felt like we had reverted to puppy again. He is very stubborn anyway. But he took it out on DH rather than me, as he is the soft touch and I'm not. We go to a special dog school that's run by behaviourists. They are amazing. One thing they taught us is you have to be so black and white with them. I think he can sense your pregnant, and it testing you. He certainly doesn't hate you though. I would definitely recommend a behaviourist, as they will be able to see you both in your own environment and then get to the bottom of it. I'm sorry your pain is no better x

And now my mind is blank hmm

Prambo Sat 28-Sep-13 20:27:31

Oh do fuck off, Abbey Clancy, you vacuous slut.

Prambo Sat 28-Sep-13 20:32:04

IceAwAPuddyTat. Ugh. I hate hearing of silly parents pandering to their grown-up children. What makes them do this? It's very weird. I'm sorry the tardy little twat made you feel unappreciated. Here, have these: thanks

Marbie, you have done enough. I love you xxx

Jolleigh Sat 28-Sep-13 20:33:50

kara - my initial instinct says NoMaybe is probably right about your pup. Has he ever tested your dominance? Sight is a secondary sense for dogs after smell...you don't smell like his master any more. My old husky started testing the boundaries when she was about a year old. Not with me (my dominance wasn't in question) but with the ex. We got around it by making sure he was the one feeding her and he made her work for her food...to her, her behaviour for him then had a greater value. (It also helped me to get the lazy freeloading bastard out of bed).

In other news...I have an uber craving for creamed corn, eaten cold. But hee hum, none in.

BadlyWrittenPoem Sat 28-Sep-13 20:38:42

"Today a colleague told me her daughter (who is new to the school) asked her, 'Who is the one that is really skinny but also pregnant and it just doesn't work?'" Cool I am appalled that she deemed it acceptable to pass it on! It's not like you're sporting a bump as some kind of fashion statement! (Incidentally, I'm not looking forward to becoming obviously pregnant because of the fact that I know people will think it acceptable to comment on my appearance. Why do people think it becomes acceptable to make such personal comments just because a person is pregnant!?)

Welcome Madwife. I don't object to MWs as long as they are not phoning up by husband with threats I can't have a home birth or frightening by child into thinking her baby sibling will die during birth. Since you are unlikely to do either of those I think you're safe. smile

becca my inlaws wrote our car off last year and I felt really sad about it as it was my first car. (Though as it turns out it's been a good thing as we would've needed a new car to fit this baby in!)

JK, if your children sign the card then I think you should be able to collect them - before we were married, DH used to collect parcels for me by me doing that and we didn't even have the same address.

Teddy, that sounds very frustrating with your son's school. They are supposed to provide a suitable education and refusing to do so on the grounds that he is behaving badly because they aren't is outrageous! Also, if interaction with another child is making his behaviour worse then it is the school's responsibility to be keeping them separate as much as possible! I always made sure to arrange children in the classroom in a way that minimised those interactions that lead to a downward spiral of behaviour - I think it's a basic part of classroom management and really isn't difficult.

Teddy, I think feeling movements can be affected by where your placenta is - third time I felt movements two weeks later than the previous time which I think was because of an anterior placenta and I have a friend who said at her anomaly scan with either her third or fourth (I forget which), she could see the baby moving like crazy on the screen but still couldn't feel a thing.

Edamame I would have thought traditionally a child to unmarried parents would have had their mother's surname. I think it used to be the case that the father couldn't even be put on the birth certificate unless married to the mother. I know my something like four or five greats grandfather had his mother's surname due to his parents not being married.

Teddybear4 Sat 28-Sep-13 20:41:22

Thanks for the suggestions. They won't separate BNmum as they say they need to learn to work properly together. Will definitely be asking for constructive strategies rather than pointing out what is wrong.

No idea on dogs - we have one and he's a pain so I'm not qualified to advise smile

London meet sounds good will watch where you get to on dates and see if I can come. We're in a Not London backwater.

Badly, you try telling people your baby is different! Ive had some interesting conversations already! hmm confused

Id quite like a bump for people to comment on. Im still shrinking! confused

Prambo Sat 28-Sep-13 20:48:24

BWP, I love reading the eminently sensible and levelled responses in your posts. They are always perfectly pitched and I see you as the thread prefect. Love it!

Prambo Sat 28-Sep-13 21:04:42

Rosyran, Hoopins & Babybear, where are you? Are you okay?

BadlyWrittenPoem Sat 28-Sep-13 21:05:25

Saggy I can imagine it must be very difficult. sad

BadlyWrittenPoem Sat 28-Sep-13 21:06:09

Thanks Pram

<polished prefect badge>

BadlyWrittenPoem Sat 28-Sep-13 21:06:38

polishes not polished - why do s and d have to be next to each other?!

JK10 Sat 28-Sep-13 21:08:12

Thanks for the tip BWP think they are a load of jobs worths at our postal office. Didn't say that would be acceptable so will try next time. I was basically told that anyone could collect their mail who have the same surname as my kids, the address was irrelevant which pissed me off even more considering their name is brown which is so common! Another person who don't even know my kids could collect my kids mail as long the name was brown! Wanted to scream "but I'm the kids mother!"

cool I shouted at one of mine today too! Don't feel bad, u can only take so much and caught at the wrong time even the calmest person shouts!

teddy seems crazy that they won't separate them! Surely it would make the teachers job easier too if they think the behaviour between them is that bad. Good luck for your meeting

ice I hope your evening has improved

Sorry. That wasnt a self pitying post. It is quite amusing sometimes!

apprenticemamma Sat 28-Sep-13 21:48:37

just checking in. maybes and pramalaaar I'm doing better today although.....I can't actually cry any more bcos.. I think I have tear induced sty eye starting!!! I'm feeling more balanced though thank feck.

maybes We're not married , my ds has oh surname though. Sometimes I feel a bit left out...especially when the mil points out to me that even the ex wife shares the same surname as my child! We'll get married ...one day. Especially if it brings in an extra $3.50 a week , great policy Condemns! <sarcastic eyebrow raise>...

Saggy I was catching up and thinking of you my dear. How r u? Hope people are being supportive , you need to get your head round it without worrying about peoples reactions. You are going to have a beautiful, loved and secure baby from the sort of person you come across as.

pram re the sisters, one of them is highly toxic so I (and my parents & sometimes other sister) have maintained an arms length policy with her, having given up about 7 years on ago on rescuing/being abused by her . Since having my ds even more than ever I want to rid my life of toxic influences as its v stressful being around her and not good for anyone. Re other dsis it's much harder and only in the last six months. A long story and not for here but basically a huge betrayal of our family. So that's tough also bc she has cut contact with us all and ..I also miss my d nephews sad

On a happier note my bump is looking less cake-belly and more bump! it seems to change every day though! wink

BakingEating Sat 28-Sep-13 21:59:16

Saggy that didn't read as self pitying at all. Self pitying is me worrying thAt I'm going to run out of dried apricots....

CalltheMadwife Sat 28-Sep-13 22:01:52

Sorry for late responses, busy day! to whomever asked, I'm ward based at the moment, managed to get one of my 30 min breaks today so was a good shift smile they're being good to me though giving me the closest rooms to the office so I do have to walk as far each shift.

I don't mind the odd general question but specifics should really be aimed at your own mws who know your history, plan of care etc, policies and guidelines in your area. Also it's quite difficult diagnosing anything when you aren't with the person in RL.

BWP there's no worry of me doing that, I'll be arguing with the consultant myself for a home birth, though I think because of my job they will prob be less overly 'knowledgable' 'I know best' attitude with me haha! I'll refrain from consultant bashing. NICE guidelines are just that, 'guidelines' but enough of my earth mother midwifery-ness.

I won't take offence to MW rants if they are warranted, bad care is bad care, and if I feel I need to I'll give my opinion hehe!

So very tired now and same again tomorrow, was very annoyed at OH when I got in from work, after a stop at Aldi aswell, to find my dinner not ready to eat, when he's been off today with not much to do at all, so I was grouchy as hungry and tired, grrr, he redeemed himself though as it didn't take too much longer to cook and was yummy.

Did people who went to the manchester baby show get many freebies, we considered going but as I was working decided maybe next time.

IceNoSlice Sat 28-Sep-13 22:13:49

Thanks pram and JK10, evening was actually lovely thanks. I made individual beef wellingtons and they were yummy which I think helped the mood! (And yes, pink butter like steak, although I did find a recipe that didn't include pâté).

I think my grumpiness earlier was influenced a lot by tiredness. I have heard others mention it too, but I feel worse in trimester 2 than I did for the first! Is anyone else the same? By Friday I'm proper knackered. Is there anything for it but just trying to nap when possible? I'm not really one for vitamins but I am considering it. Not planning to take iron though as it does funny things to me guts!

greymoose Sat 28-Sep-13 22:18:11

sorry only just catching up if i miss stuff!

hot we haven't decided yet - dp might take my name, i might take his, no double barrel though. you can always change it by deed poll if you wanted to so you're all the same name, you could always have the baby having your name then change it so you all have the name when you're married (if you plan to marry). I'm also same as bn and last with the name so i am a bit more under pressure to keep mine!

either way, no one has more right to the child having their surname, do remember though if you don't get married/take the same name and wanted to go on holiday without him you may have to have letters from him etc permitting this, which could be very annoying in this and other circumstances if you were to split (sorry being devil's advocate here) - same idea as the parcels thing.

kara my dog has been weird recently, he's a lab and he is very much the baby, he's just been a bit distant for cuddles but he's usually all over me. my mum thinks he may scared to hurt me/cause any harm and can sense I'm vulnerable so is perhaps a bit worried but i don't think its anything sinister at all could be how yours is - what breed is yours? sorry if you've already said and I've missed it!

JK10 Sat 28-Sep-13 23:41:59

ice pleased u had a lovely meal in the end, you all sound like amazing cooks, I really need to experiment more! I always do the same old stuff but I find it really hard cooking food and having no clue how it tastes when I serve it to someone!! To scared to invite ppl round for dinner in case i end up poisoning them or it tasting like crap.

apprentice sorry to heat you have been feeling so rubbish but pleased u have perked up a bit. Rub the stye with a gold ring!

Prambo Sun 29-Sep-13 00:07:29

Ice, now then, now then (Jimmy Saville)...how do you make individual Beef Wellingtons? Do you have to buy individual fillets of steak then? Costly! Tell me more..

I made beef stew and herby dumplings again tonight but this time I took the plunge and bought the required bottle of stout (as instructed in the recipe). It felt incredibly wrong to buy alcohol and even more wrong to have it in my house. The kitchen stank of it whilst the stew cooked in the oven for two hours and I regretted using the stuff. When I sampled it I was very disappointed. It tasted just wrong and I much preferred the way I cooked it last week with beef stock instead of stupid stout.

Sorry to bore you with that tale but it was so strange holding a bottle of alcohol after three years.

Apprentice, you do sound a little perkier. Was it you having relationship counselling? How is it going? Actually, I have a feeling it's not you..

apprenticemamma Sun 29-Sep-13 00:40:48

jk 10 thanks for ur advice! As indicated in surname discussion oh has yet to put a ring on it , perhaps a sty cure would be the tipping point?!!!

pram. Yes we r also in counselling. It's been excellent. We have had a lot of ishoos to address, 5 sessions in and only tip of iceberg but we agree it's helping. We decided to strengthen our relationship for our kids and for us. It's a combo of psychodynamic - talking about the link between our backgrounds and the effect on us (rather than hardcore psychodynamic couchness ) and behavioural.

Last week we talked through our needs list - each wrote a list of what we need...we didn't even get to mine cos oh was so bloody loooooong! My turn Monday grin Recommend anyone trying this wee exercise, so helpful to think about it.

How is your counselling going? You both sound like you have many biggies to work thru.

apprenticemamma Sun 29-Sep-13 00:42:46

just realised time shock !! Manjana ..

Grey, I didn't have any trouble taking DS1 out of the country without XP when I had my own surname and DS had his.

lumpylumps Sun 29-Sep-13 07:26:30

saggy you get insensitive stupid comments whatever the situation, I lost count of the times a was told "oh dear" when I told people I was having another boy last time. I'm just waiting for it to start again if this one's a boy!!!

MummyPig24 Sun 29-Sep-13 07:30:39

When we went on holiday in may I hadn't changed my passport yet as we only got married a month before. Dh took dd to one desk and I took ds to another when we were coming home through gatwick customs. The man at the desk said ds had to go through with dh because I had a different name.

IceNoSlice Sun 29-Sep-13 07:46:24

Jk10 if you ever fancy trying to cook something different, there are so many recipes online (and free) now. Google some ingredients you like, or have a browse on BBC Good Food. You could start by making something you already like but slightly differently, or making a new side dish - something like dauphinois potatoes. Or do a new pudding, yum! It's fun trying new stuff - and you don't need to invite anyone round, do it for yourselves smile

Pram - yes, it does have individual fillet steaks so it is pricey but it was a birthday meal, so a good excuse. I went to the butcher and explained what size I wanted (about 8cm diameter) and he cut some for me, so the steaks worked out about £4.50 per person. Then the recipe had a shallot, mushroom and porcini mixture and puff pastry (it was Lorraine Pascale's recipe). Lots of recipes also include pâté, which sounds yum, but I thought I'd try the pâté free version this time.

IceNoSlice Sun 29-Sep-13 07:48:58

Oh and Pram I have the ingredients in my cupboard for your fridge cake but haven't had time to make it! I am looking forward to it though! Is the recipe online? Then you could link to it or tell me what to google, save you tapping it out? Thank you!

Wonder77 Sun 29-Sep-13 08:49:24

ice I'm just in 2nd trim and fee
Lt so tired by Friday that it made me feel nauseous. Still having to get lots of sleep-ie early nights- to make it through working week!

apprenticemamma Sun 29-Sep-13 09:22:38

only 9 am ice and your steak Wellington has got me slaveringgrin grin !

ds only just up and oh taking of him. He is in the dog house for coming in at 530 am despite promising otherwise. It being the4th sat in a row (and third earliest). He hires out equipment to bands and clubs as a side business but this becomes a valid excuse to stay out all night in his mind. It's going on the list for counsellor again this weekangry angry

. I'm sorry if I'm sounding like a whinge, some of you like Lyra and saggy and the lady with the baby with her husbands condition are dealing with far huge issues and bec & pram you too have overcome a lot. Also jk 10 if u are the one with lots of kids I totes understand why you don't cook. I'd love to cook more but time and energy are not good atm, I'm sure I'll get my cooking mojo back soonsmile .

cool don't worry about shouting at kids , we r all human and sometimes the lil buggers really test ur patience! The main thing is they r secure & loved.

jk10 grey etc never had such trouble at airports or post offices. You would think the info at the back of the passport would overcome such difficulties. Really time to move into the 21st century. Even although it is the 21st century I still feel embarrassed /weird for being unmarried but that's my inner catholicwink . Equally didn't stop me from christening child as catholic which I thought it would.

Today I will not cry!. I'm going to get on with my work presentation and prepare roast beef with all the trimmings. And Yorkshire pudds. Nom wink . What u all up to?

apprenticemamma Sun 29-Sep-13 09:23:12

* the earliest time he's come home on a Saturday

MummyPig24 Sun 29-Sep-13 10:15:57

ice those wellingtons sound delicious. We have roast pork today.

apprentice I'm sorry your oh is being inconsiderate. Like you said at least you can bring it up in counselling.

Ds has football in an hour, it's a long boring hour of watching. And my arm hurts, the injection site is red and hot. Dd is behaving like a wild animal, no change there.

apprenticemamma Sun 29-Sep-13 11:23:33

mummy tbh I don't see this changing. Not for the first time am making contingency plans should I need to buy him out of the house and i have the means to do so.

Lyra can I ask ..and anyone else..what was it like to be a single parent?! Sorry if this is sounding drama queen like, it's not, but it's a bit miserable for a prego thread so I might go to relationships. I'll come back whenever I've stabilised wink

SoSurprised Sun 29-Sep-13 11:35:50

MummyPig24 that is so ridiculous of them. What would happen if you were travelling with your DS alone?

Wonder77 Sun 29-Sep-13 11:55:32

apprentice sorry, don't have that experience. Really hope it works out. Can't remember, is this your first? If so , might he change once baby arrives?

Wonder77 Sun 29-Sep-13 12:00:20

Hi all. Advice please. I am getting really upset that OH wont give up smoking. He never smokes in house or near it- only socially , prob once a week. BUT he has a condition which means he is putting his health at risk more than the average person by smoking. What I'm most upset about is his lack of any commitment to trying. He is reacting to me on this like a child who's Mum is telling him not to eat sweets. I've had countless conversations where I've explained how this upsets me but he thinks I'm being melodramatic I think. But to me it shows lack of commitment to baby and family. Honest opinions please- I'd really appreciate your views......( ps , used to smoke so understand how hard it is to give up. But I've stopped having my friday night glass of wine so feel he can show the same effort??)

Prambo Sun 29-Sep-13 12:03:48

Apprentice, don't you dare leave this thread. I'm not going to slag your DH off 'cos I don't know enough about him, but I do know you're not happy. Why not tell the counsellor (with DH present) that you considered leaving this week? See what DH says. Rolling in at 5.30am shows a lack of respect and it's just not on. Our counselling was four weeks ago and we're still awaiting our next appointment. The gambling has stopped, th'usband seems like a new man and I'm happy. The Oliver situation is something I need to deal with; th'usband & the boy are doing nothing wrong; it's me. Apprentice, I have a ludicrously easy life: I don't work; I sit on my arse all day; I cook beautiful teas from scratch because that's all I do; I have zero stress in my life. I know how stressful life can be when working, raising kids, maintaining healthy relationships; keeping house. This is why I opted out of a career when I came out of rehab and I salute those who juggle all that shit. It's hard and it feels lonely when you don't have a husband who's singing from the same hymn sheet. I hope you find the strength to get tough with him.

Imeg Sun 29-Sep-13 12:04:12

I am wondering whether counselling might be a good idea for us, as we are both quite reserved and neither of us good at talking about our feelings. I thought it might help us sort out our feelings about the baby, any concerns for the future etc, before it arrives. Also, it would be good to get advice on helping the child maintain a positive self-image, but not sure if this would be separate. Any thoughts?

If we wanted this, any suggestions for where to look? Ideally it would need to be weekends/evenings.

Imeg Sun 29-Sep-13 12:06:47

Wonder, that sounds tricky. I am also keen for my husband to have a healthier lifestyle but he also reacts very negatively/defensively. I don't have a solution I'm afraid, still working on mine!

Prambo Sun 29-Sep-13 12:10:02

Wonder, my other half can't/won't give up either. Going through IVF he promised to quit to give his sperm the best chance but he was even smoking outside the clinic on the day of embryo transfer. We now talk about him quitting when baby comes (he never smokes inside the house anyway but I don't want him breathing fag breath near the baby). What I've figured out though is this: it's not up to me to demand he quits. He is a grown-up and will make his own choices. I actually think it is unfair to say it shows a lack of commitment to baby or me; he's gone through hell with me (and huge financial strain) to give me this baby and I don't feel right demanding he quit something he fucking loves. As a recovering alcoholic I also question the prudence of making him quit fags. Don't know if any of this helps but you need to deal with that notion you have that his smoking equates to him being a dick who couldn't give a shit about your baby or you.

Jolleigh Sun 29-Sep-13 12:11:26

In a similar situation * Wonder *. Only my OH is a heavy smoker with no health issue that makes it more dangerous for him. It's an odd one though because I smoked heavily until my BFP and then went cold turkey so it's quite fresh to me and I know it's very hard.

I'm worried though...just walked in on him playing peekaboo with the dog after a fag. Sat next to him and he really stank...all that was going through my mind was 'that's going to be a baby before long inhaling that smell'. But I don't know how harmful it is sad

Prambo Sun 29-Sep-13 12:13:00

...*Wonder*, I also think there are things our husbands could be doing that are a lot worse than smoking. Do you know what I mean? Thereare some proper fucking arseholes out there who utterly disregard the feelings of their other halves and make their lives miserable.

apprenticemamma Sun 29-Sep-13 12:17:54

hi all pram your words are so kind. I've read them over and really value what you have to say..it makes a lot of sense and part of me does think AiBu but you ve helped me validate it all. If not triggered another sad . (hug)

Wonder77 it's our second but oh's 5th. Btw the smoking thing in a way not dissimilar, part of my issue is the drink drugs thing and health. It's not compatible for a happy family lifestyle and it's all about priority. Of course dh still needs to have a bit of his life that's his and if that involves a throwback to misspent youth every so often maybe that's ok. If oh could do things in moderation we wouldn't have an issue. ..

I do recommend relate * lmeg*. They do evenings and sometimes weekends. You'll get seen v soon if u pay & we are 35 $ a session. I don't think it can fix us but at least we can communicate slightly better.

Prambo Sun 29-Sep-13 12:27:22

Imeg, counselling takes one phone call and a fee of £25 (that's for the initial session; the rest cost £55. Bit like heroin, then). Make the call, pay the fee and sit back and wait for the appointment. You won't regret it, I promise you that. Tell your husband it is a one-off session to get communication going. He will not regret going. Everyone should have counselling, it's invaluable.

Prambo Sun 29-Sep-13 12:30:47

Apprentice, not one person on here has a prefect marriage/relationship but it is clear some of the men need to grow up a little more than others. How they spend their time right now might not be hurting the family, but it fucking will when a baby comes. Better sort your shit out now before the relationship implodes, I say. I think drugs of whatever class are an absolute no-no with a baby on the scene, but that's my opinion.

Prambo Sun 29-Sep-13 12:31:54

*by drugs I don't mean fags.

karamcleod Sun 29-Sep-13 12:51:30

OH smokes 20 a day and has a bottle of red wine everynight. He refuses to smoke outside and smokes in the car when I'm with him, doesn't seem to give a shit about how hard it's been for me to quit or his health. He has high bp, irregular heart beat amongst other things.
He has no intention of giving up and I doubt the arrival of our bubba will change him, he says he will not smoke outside his own home.

Apprentice, being a single mother for a while wasn't so bad, but then I also had the immense relief of having got out of an abusive relationship that I thought I was trapped in forever.
And by the time it was just me and my boys they were older and past those years where you have to do everything for them. Being a single parent with a baby/toddler is probably a whole different ball game.

DP is being a complete arse and last night I told him to pack his stuff and leave, though I don't really want him to. He rolled in drunk at 2am and put music on which kept me awake. Selfish prick.
He's been up all night still hasn't slept. I've got in the bath with the door locked to get a few moments of peace. Fucking arsehole.

Kara, you can not let him smoke around your baby. Those perfect new tiny lungs do not want to be polluted with cigarette smoke. And it raises the risk of cot death. Tell your selfish oh that he's risking his baby's life if he smokes around them.

HotCrossPun Sun 29-Sep-13 13:05:29

Wonder That would upset me too. If he has a condition that is made worse/could be made worse by smoking then he shouldn't be smoking. He is an adult, which makes me think even more that he shouldn't be so selfish as to knowingly put his health at risk when he's about to become a dad.

What's the point anyway? He only smokes socially, so it won't be as difficult for him to quit as proper smokers.

It does show a lack of commitment. You have given up certain foods, alcohol, excessive caffeine etc as a precaution. He should be doing the same.

When you are talking to him about it are you doing it when he's actually smoking or are you sitting down afterwards and telling him your concerns?

HotCrossPun Sun 29-Sep-13 13:06:23

Just read the rest of the updates. What's with the men being arses today? Sunday's are meant to be relaxing! grin

apprenticemamma Sun 29-Sep-13 13:14:11

Jesus, men are such arseholes. Lyra obviously I agree that behaviour is not on. Also wonder culturally if arsehole behaviour is more acceptable in certain cultures (Turkish, Greek, Scottish..). My oh! s Greek mamma has a mentality that woman should put up n shut up! I've sent oh out to avoid huge domestic and am now ruminating that I have been to hard on him between the seven texts and the very vicious words and threats to send him packing also. Lyra enjoy your bath.

Kara couldn't he at least smoke outside the door? ....shock

HotCrossPun Sun 29-Sep-13 13:18:56

Oi apprentice Scottish men are lovely!

Well DP is anyway. There were a few arseholes before him... grin

Apprentice, there's definitely something in the cultural thing. Men behave very differently in Turkey. He's seen his own father come home drunk and his mum put up with it. That's the lesson he's learned from his upbringing. He's got to change because I will not put up with it when there's a newborn in the house. The baby comes first. He also smokes in the house when my boys aren't here but that will also have to change. He's not polluting my baby's lungs. No fucking way.

I do love DP and thankfully he's nothing like my ex but he brings with him his own unique set of problems/baggage. I want our relationship to work so very much but there's some behaviour I cannot and will not accept.

apprenticemamma Sun 29-Sep-13 13:41:08

sorry hot cross didn't mean to offend. Although my oh sounds like a dick he is also a v wonderful man but guess I'm not focusing on this atm on this forum.

Lyra quite right get those boundaries laid. I'm off to work now ds napping, choc and tea required. wink

Prambo Sun 29-Sep-13 13:44:18

Lyra, why didn't your DP collapse drunk and fall asleep? Why hasn't he slept? Has he taken drugs last night? That's what would worry me.

The thing with Kara's OH is this: if she starts preaching the dangers of smoking around babies he'll simply turn round and say that his other ten kids are perfectly fine. It's a tough one and I don't necessarily think you can say it makes them a dickhead. It's a terrifyingly strong drug which is far easier to kick if you're pregnant. There's just no excuse to smoke in the house though.

Because he kept drinking till it was all gone. He gets like this sometimes when he's upset and angry with the world. He needs to man up.

greymoose Sun 29-Sep-13 13:59:43

On smoking I kept making dp shower and change his clothes after he had one and slightly exaggerated the dangers of third hand smoke (I know they're bad but I made them much worse) and the hassle of him having to wash and dry his hair etc after smoking each time made it more hassle to smoke than it was worth for him, he also has bad asthma though so I was a bit more militant than I would have been otherwise. I do I think its a responsibility they have same as you as the mother if they aren't doing it sensibly.

On those who smoke in the house I would say you should probably not be living there in that case for your baby!

Wonder77 Sun 29-Sep-13 14:32:10

Wow. Thanks for your responses everybody. Really helped. Lots for me to think about. Thank you for your points of view and sharing your own situations.

HotCrossPun Sun 29-Sep-13 14:33:50

You didn't offend me apprentice love, I was just jesting grin

Wonder77 Sun 29-Sep-13 14:36:07

pram take your point about worse things as he is lovely is all other respects.

grey you make a good point- he does shower and wash clothes when he comes in from night out and has been smoking.

* hotcross* I think like you. I am talking away from his smoking but usually prompted by finding a fag wrapper in his pockets when doing the washing!

karam sad that's even harder to deal with. I'm so sad for you that he does that

greymoose Sun 29-Sep-13 14:54:05

sorry to hear of the troubles with partners, I'm not sure what to suggest in a lot of scenarios and there are many wiser ladies on here who often offer perfect advice, but i am so glad this thread is here for us all so we can have it as an outlet and helping hand when things are a bit tough (bit soft today)

we've been packing today and i dropped a bloody giant heavy piece of wood (which i shouldn't have been moving but dp had gone down to the garage and i was fed up of being treated like i was made of glass <ungrateful>) on my toe and i think i may have broken it, whoops. learnt my lesson, cant help but think someone was trying to tell me something.

x0gawjus0x Sun 29-Sep-13 15:04:39

Saw carl today, meeting up with him for dinner he seemed really upset n i feel bad sad

this amoxicillin is making me really tireeed

sorry to hear about husbands they all have their moments though good and bad..

12 hr day tomorrow boohoo
Xx

apprenticemamma Sun 29-Sep-13 15:10:42

grey your man sounds like a diamond! I'd quite like some kid glove treatment...my mums here being a total star though smile

hotcross I'm sure it would take more to offend you!

Prambo Sun 29-Sep-13 15:13:07

Gawj, what do you feel bad about? That your fiance has the ability to make you utterly miserable and afraid? Look after that baby.

x0gawjus0x Sun 29-Sep-13 15:13:20

Also has anyone booked themselves in for flu vaccine?

Gawj this is a really bad idea. I really don't have a good feeling about you seeing him again. Can I ask what made you want to meet him?

karamcleod Sun 29-Sep-13 15:16:07

Scottish men are not all arseholes, just all the ones I know haha! OH never smoked with his other children pram he only started two years ago.

Grey I understand that it is a horrible thing to put my child through but is living in a homeless unit with my baby really better, total catch 22 and I'm just hoping that he will realise he's being a cunt before baby arrives!

Also been to the emergency doctor surgery about my stomach pain and its not round ligament pain. Something to do with an inflamed bladder, more urine samples have been sent away and I will hopefully get this sorted asap cause I bloody hurts!

Hope everyone is having a nice sunday!

apprenticemamma Sun 29-Sep-13 15:20:42

disclaimer: Scottish men are not all arseholes!, I have snogged dated and loved many..Oh just has a major blind spot but one day I will come on here and tell u all how lovely he actually is grin

babybear9 Sun 29-Sep-13 15:24:09

I've prop got no place to say this but ladies, some of you really seem to be choosing the wrong guys?! I can't believe some of the stuff i've read on here about OH / DHs. Seriously, there are some amazing men out there - please go and find them! You deserve so much better than this.

Writerwannabe83 Sun 29-Sep-13 15:27:43

Hello everyone,

I'm 14 weeks pregnant with baby number 1, EDD: 24th March.

Pregnancy has been a nightmare so far - with the recent problem being a huge bleed on Thursday of fresh red blood. It was everywhere, scared the life out of me. I went straight to the hospital and baby was ok thankfully. That was my 3rd bleed of the pregnancy though the previous 2 bleeds had just been old/dried blood and spotting.

Due to bleeds and sickness I have only worked 3 days in the last 5 weeks and now, following this recent bleed my manager is keen to get me signed off Sick for the remainder of the pregnancy.

anyway - I just wanted to say hello and now I'm going to go and thread through the thread so I can familiarise myself with your names and stories smile

HotCrossPun Sun 29-Sep-13 15:35:17

Gawj Try and remember how you felt a few nights ago. When you had your doors locked and curtains drawn and were terrified that he was going to break in to the house.

He hasn't shown one ounce of compassion for you or your baby. He won't ever change. Him feeling 'sad' and remorseful is an act, we all said he would do this.

No good is going to come from you meeting up with him. I'm sorry if this seems harsh but I've been in your position and you need to be strong and walk away for the sake of your baby if nothing else. thanks

HotCrossPun Sun 29-Sep-13 15:39:28

I've worked it out apprentice, it's regional. All my bad experiences with Scottish men have been with men from my neck of the woods (East Coast) Glasgow are where the real gems are grin

HotCrossPun Sun 29-Sep-13 15:43:15

Writer Welcome!

All that bleeding must have been so scary. So glad that everything was okay. Rest sounds like the best plan and it sounds like you have a supportive manager, so take the time off smile

karamcleod Sun 29-Sep-13 15:43:17

gaw do not let him weasel his way in my ex used to beat the shit out of me and I must have fallen for the 'I'm so sorry, I didn't mean it I'll change' shit about 50 times! Please be strong if not for you, for baby. Ex is in jail for hitting his new girlfriend and for threatening to kill her daughter. He will make you feel guilty please don't fall for it, you are beautiful, strong and you are going to be an amazing mummy!

Prambo Sun 29-Sep-13 15:44:35

All my bad experiences with men have been when they have a dick, two balls and are breathing.

karamcleod Sun 29-Sep-13 15:50:38

Welcome writer cannot imagine how that must feel I was freaking out at a bit of tummy pain, hope you are feeling okay smile

x0gawjus0x Sun 29-Sep-13 15:54:38

Very true pram.. Idk I do miss him inknow I shouldnt but I really do sad

Think am gonna book myself in for flu jab in a week it seems only positives on nhs site so no reason not to ! X

Prambo Sun 29-Sep-13 16:15:52

Babybear, give me your definition of 'amazing men'. Those of us who have struggled recently with issues around our relationships would still say our men are 'amazing' in some ways. I know I would. If a man is cruel or emotionally or physically abusive, that is another matter. But men coming in late and smoking are not automatically consigned to the scrapheap. Some of these men are brilliant fathers, hard workers, loved by our mothers and friends and shit-hot in bed. You can't have it all, can you?

karamcleod Sun 29-Sep-13 16:18:08

pram have to disagree, my friends OH only has 1 ball and he's a major cunt!

Welcome Writer! I'm so sorry to hear about your scare. Thank goodness everything is ok now. I'm due on the 24th too!!

Gawj definitely get the jab. They won't do it till you're better though. It's ok to miss him. That's totally understandable. But he will do this again.

Rockchick1984 Sun 29-Sep-13 16:54:45

Hi all, been away this weekend so trying to catch up!

Wonder I honestly don't think you can make him give up - when I was a smoker I had to reach the point where I wanted to quit, all previous attempts had failed because I wasn't ready to do it myself, I was quitting because others wanted me to. My stubborn nature kicked in smile I think as long as he's not smoking around you or the baby, I would just leave it for now, he may be more inclined to stop once the baby is here.

Kara I don't feel the same way about your DP - harming himself is one thing, but smoking around the baby is utterly disgusting - does he know that he is potentially risking his baby's life/health? Can you explain the higher risk of SIDS (cot death) and that your baby could end up with health problems for life because of his laziness? For me if that was DH I wouldn't be living with him, but obviously that is a personal thing. My DH and 2 of his siblings (all in their 30's and 40's) still have severe asthma, one doesn't and that is the only sibling to be born while his parents had quit smoking for a few years.

Hi Writer smile

Babybear I don't think there is such a thing as a perfect DP - I love my husband entirely, and wouldn't ever want to be without him, he's amazing. However that's not to say he doesn't have his faults, they are things that I love him despite/that are part of who he is and I'm happy that we can usually come to a compromise on any issues we have. It has taken a lot of hard work to get to this point though, and we have had incidents that have made me question the relationship particularly when we first had DS as he struggled a lot as a new dad (have since had diagnosis of male PND which neither of us knew existed before). If I had just thought "there's better out there" we never would have found the happiness we now have.

Hope everyone has had a lovely weekend smile

apprenticemamma Sun 29-Sep-13 17:34:04

baby bear I'm sure your comments were intended to sound supportive but pram and the other poster has it well articulated. For all the foibles and character weaknesses of our oh like I said, you are not hearing the full picture. Having been with my oh for eight years , one child and three stepchildren who are amazing later and good as married, there is clearly more to him than I have mentioned. Please do not patronize or give glib advice..The forum must be a safe space to vent (and many a time my/our rants are disproportionate, due to other stressors and yep hormones). Hope this make sense (and please don't see it as an attack) bc I'm sure u meant well.

hotcross yep he's an east coaster! I'm a west coaster and must admit I'm biased towards weejie lads..Cheeky charm etc.

apprenticemamma Sun 29-Sep-13 17:39:14

I also have a theory that pregnancy triggers male regression as they panic to make the most of remaining freedom! I've been this happen with my friends' dh before her wedding too..

My mum's cooking a roast lamb with all the trimmings. Smells lush . Bbeing a mum is a life's work..and I love mine to bits <slushy>

babybear9 Sun 29-Sep-13 17:44:06

girls, I rrally didn't mean to offend. theres some amazing women on here. I guess just hearing some of these things really shocked me and I can't imagine how hard it,must be to be pregnant and not have 100% support from OH! I'm not trying to be judgemental, just want you all to not have any shit to deal with.

Babybear, I'm sure you meant well but your comments are not appreciated. Some of our DPs have flaws and we should be working those out, not ditching them at the drop of a hat for all those "wonderful men" out there. All those of us having troubles have DPs who are wonderful in their own ways but there are issues to be addressed. I'm not about to bin the father of my unborn child because he's not perfect. I'm glad your DP/DH is so perfect that you never feel the need for a moan about him. Congrats.

IceNoSlice Sun 29-Sep-13 17:49:49

Bit harsh Lyra but a cross post maybe?

Yes, cross post but I still think it needed to be said.

apprenticemamma Sun 29-Sep-13 17:55:58

No men aren't always 100 percent supportive. And I can't say I'm always 100 percent supportive either. That's life and human nature. I don't think me Lyra pram kara are being in anyway heroic, just trying to address issues , ranting and providing mutual support.

But I do want to thank you also , bc your comments have made me leap to my dhs defense and remind myself of his many positive qualities wink

HotCrossPun Sun 29-Sep-13 18:17:13

I don't think baby meant to patronise anybody.

Its a difficult line to tread between support for the issues or niggles that people are writing about and not slating their partners.

It's like when I moan about my family to DP. Even though I am always having issues with them for some reason if DP says anything bad about them it gets my back up grin

HotCrossPun Sun 29-Sep-13 18:18:34

apprentice I didn't realise your DP was actually Scottish! grin

Maybe a difficult line but better to say nothing than to say "you've chosen the wrong men, go out and find new ones". Maybe appropriate if we were all in two-week relationships but we're all pregnant and have made lives with our partners.

Anyway, time to move on. What's for dinner?

HotCrossPun Sun 29-Sep-13 18:24:36

A Chinese here. Chicken chow mein, spare ribs, prawn crackers, beef curry, spring rolls and Irn Bru.

Now sitting with a pint of Irn Bru and feeling very content. What about you Lyra? Are you whipping up something delicious?

apprenticemamma Sun 29-Sep-13 18:39:51

hot cross pun yes he is that rare breed of Greek-dundonian!grin I emigrated from glasvegas to be here with him. But my heart belongs to Glasgow best city in the world! <wistful sigh> .

Your Chinese sounded lush btw. Roast lamb was amazeballs. Lyra what's cooking?

Not really. Sweetcorn on the cob, chicken wings and rice. That'll have to do. Your Chinese sounds lovely. Ds2 and I went to the Chinese buffet yesterday. We well and truly stuffed ourselves. Disappointed that they've stopped serving lychees as a dessert. I adore lychees.

IceNoSlice Sun 29-Sep-13 18:50:50

Hottie same here, I'm allowed to moan about my family (especially my dad who can be v ponderous and dull) but my DH isn't allowed to join in or I defend them!

Mmmm that Chinese sounds am-may-zing. Beans/cheese/bacon on toast here after a big Sunday roast at the pub with both sets of GPs (eek!)

Hmm, is a Chinese appropriate on a Monday night? Feels a bit like the weekday equivalent of January when you should be healthy and not spend too much money...

Prambo Sun 29-Sep-13 18:51:14

Babybear, I hope you don't sod off for good now; you hardly this thread anymore and I've only recently been asking after you. I think it smarts when someone says 'your DH's sound like arsewipes, why not find another?' Your last post was nice, though, and I can see you wanted to bolster us perhaps. How have you been anyway? You've been very quiet.

We're having last night's beef stew & dumplings again with goose fat roasties and mash. I'm just catching up on last weeks' Downton and boy, has that drama lost its appeal. They can all fuck off as far as I'm concerned. Uppity twats.

Prambo Sun 29-Sep-13 18:52:23

*was meant to say 'you hardly visit the thread anymore...'

Prambo Sun 29-Sep-13 18:53:00

*week's <anal>

IceNoSlice Sun 29-Sep-13 18:56:17

Prambo did you see my post this morning about your fridge cake recipe? I'm looking forward to some gluttony erm, baking, at some point this week [lip licking emoticon]

x0gawjus0x Sun 29-Sep-13 18:56:55

Im making us a roast dinner then going bk to my dads.. Ive made huge yorkshires for the veg yumyum smile

Prambo Sun 29-Sep-13 19:01:12

Ice! Yes! The recipe is Gordon Ramsay's and it is called 'cranberry, marshmallow and peanut chocolate fridge cake'. I ripped it out of a magazine but have since found it difficult to link online. Have a go and come back to me if you're struggling. It's more delicious than its rivals, I tell thee.

Prambo Sun 29-Sep-13 19:01:53

Gawj, do you make your own yorkies? Have you substituted your OH for your dad tonight, then?

What does one do with 4kg of cherry tomatoes? They're from the market so I expect I've only got a few days to use them before they go off. Tomato soup is the obvious answer but any other ideas?

Rockchick1984 Sun 29-Sep-13 19:04:21

I'm having dominos for tea fatty smile Decided to get back to healthy eating tomorrow, have stuffed myself silly all weekend and feel like I weigh about 50stone!

OwlinaTree Sun 29-Sep-13 19:16:18

wonder tis tough, but unfortunately you can only give up an addiction if you want to. However much you nag it probably won't help, he has to want to. It's very hard for you, but all you can do is have one more serious chat with him and then leave it to him.

Lyra spread them out on a baking tray maybe with some red onions and slow roast. once they are nice and shrivelled, liquidise. Either alone or with some cooked bacon. makes lovely soup or nice pasta sauce. easily freezable and really yummy.

IceNoSlice Sun 29-Sep-13 19:25:24

Lyra you could make a tomato sauce base for bolognaise type recipes then freeze in batches. However I had a load of toms from my plants and I googled 'how to freeze tomatoes' and t'Internet told me I could just freeze them as they were (ie no blanching or anything) so I have. Apparently the skins just peel off easily when they defrost and they're great for cooking with. But I haven't defrosted any yet, so can't tell you how they came out.

IceNoSlice Sun 29-Sep-13 19:27:06

Thanks PramQueen I shall defo look it out, prob on Wednesday if I get to take my day off this week hmm

Lyra you could make some chutney?

Writer have we scared you off? I hope not wink

Home made Yorkies are the best Gawj!

MummyPig24 Sun 29-Sep-13 19:31:18

I always miss all the action. Sorry some people are having a tough time with ohs being arsey. Luckily dh has been lovely today or I might have killed him.

My arm really hurts, it's red and swollen and sore. But we did have a lovely dinner, roast pork, roast potatoes, carrots, cabbage, leeks in cheese sauce, pigs in blankets and gravy. Poor ds, who has never refused a meal in his life, had a bad tummy ache and couldn't eat it. I've put it in the fridge for him to have tomorrow.

Thanks for the ideas. I may try them all.

Jolleigh Sun 29-Sep-13 19:44:16

Lyra - tomato and red onion chutney. Will keep forever and is great with cheese and crackers.

SuperMuddle Sun 29-Sep-13 19:49:36

Welcome writer! I'm due on the 24th as well smile

All this food talk is making me hungry, which is good as we have lamb and roast veggies in the oven <drool>. Bit late, I know, but I've been working, DH has been studying and we're both lazy sods

Sorry, haven't been able to catch up with all the posts. What's up with your arm, mummy?

Jolleigh Sun 29-Sep-13 19:49:48

I've had to take a couple of paracetamol for lower back pain tonight. It's not just when I'm lay down any more...it kind of feels like I've had a fall and bruised it. This is just something I have to deal with, isn't it?
Have had a lovely roast dinner at mum's after barely being able to eat all day. Have drank 3litres of milk though...What's that about? ?

x0gawjus0x Sun 29-Sep-13 20:02:21

Yess pram make me own yorkshires not half bad either quite yummmmmy and piled up with parsnips lol ahh love me a roast stuffing yumyum x

babybear9 Sun 29-Sep-13 20:03:24

im here prambo, just been throwing up the last few hours. clearly didn't phrase very well on my original post. I felt so sad seeing everything gawj is going through and it made me wish she could find someone amazing to be with. I also was shocked by kara's posts to be honest as I can't believe a guy would behave like that to his pregnant oh. I realise the post was a bit general but the idea of what they were going through really upset me but I felt uncomfortable name checking them both as I haven't been part of all the conversations so I made it quite general, not considering the whole thread would jump to the conclusion I was suggesting leaving partners at the slightest thing.

babybear9 Sun 29-Sep-13 20:06:29

anyway, sorry to anyone who took offense, it was never intended that way.

liberuna Sun 29-Sep-13 20:10:39

Tomato chutney
Tomato jam
Tonato sauce

My OH is perfect. Perfect for me grin his flaws, warts and all makes the relationship interesting and compliments my own baggage issues. Stones and glass houses and all that. But the need to discuss and rant are all part of human nature practically a requirement otherwise we wouldn't be in monogamous relationships. <confused yet? > smile

Saying that there are limits. gawjus you were with your partner for a reason. Good reasons I hope and your feelings won't change over night. But accepting violent and threatening behaviour is a very serious line to cross.

Currently eating curry with family, chicken biryani <makes Homer drooling noises>

Is anyone else going to baby show in London?

jo random question: how are your toilet endeavours going?

lumpylumps Sun 29-Sep-13 20:11:51

apprentice my mum did a fab roast lamb too. Unfortunately I feel crap today. Was almost sick this morning (I have only been sick once in all 3 pregnancies!) I'm so tired and I have the most horrendous heartburn and has the worst pain in my kidney area. I'm feeling so sorry for myself and want sympathy! Please! Thanks in advance!

Jolleigh Sun 29-Sep-13 20:15:25

They're not really bad right now liberuna - been a couple of occasions where I've felt like I was trying to shit out a dry sponge I've had difficulty but not nearly as bad as that first time as it generally resolves itself by the end of the day.

Coolhand Sun 29-Sep-13 20:16:50

Lots of milk is good for baby. I'm still forcing myself to try and take my daily intake with not great success.

Sorry to hear all the issues today. Wonder agree with others - don't think you can force the issue, it will only build resentment on both sides. Can totally understand your frustration though. Kara would really draw the line at smoking indoors though - appreciate it's difficult though.

Apprentice I agree - counselling is the best place to raise your frustrations with an impartial person there. Hopefully you'll be able to move through concerns later this week.

Gawjus please be honest about your situation. I'm guessing you're probs worried about our disapproval but there is a lot of genuine concern for you out there. I do think there are a lot of people on here who have had similar experiences before - I do think their advice is very wise.

Now, new topic altogether. Those who know male/female so far, what were your experiences of ms? Just to see if we have any trends on that front.

Jolleigh Sun 29-Sep-13 20:16:57

Poor you Lumpy . If I had some cake, I'd share it with you. x

SuperMuddle Sun 29-Sep-13 20:17:38

Sending you sympathy vibes over the interwebs, lumpy grin

Have some brew

liberuna Sun 29-Sep-13 20:20:50

Oohh poor lumpy <said in best mummies voice> have some milk or gavidcon brew

I had kidney infection last year so not nice. . Drink lots if water and put your feet up, you deserve it thanks

MummyPig24 Sun 29-Sep-13 20:22:51

I had a flu jab yesterday super.

IceNoSlice Sun 29-Sep-13 20:24:24

Awww lumpy poor you <head tilt>

Is that enough? grin

karamcleod Sun 29-Sep-13 20:34:10

I had a lovely roast for tea and now after reading I'm hungry again!
Lyra I gave all my spare tom's to my hens once I'd made a few chutneys and sauces, definately need a few less plants next year. But that's probably not an option for you :P
I'm sorry if I've bitched about OH too much he is quite a knob end sometimes but mostly he is great and he's my best friend and all though he's stubborn and hard headed I'm sure he'll do what's best for me and bean!

Prambo Sun 29-Sep-13 20:34:25

Awww, Lumpy sad Here, have these: cake wine thanks brew and a biscuit for when you're not hurling chunks.

Babybear, I can see now where you were coming from and you are right; there are women on this thread who, I think, we are all worried about and want to help. I am thankful, though, that no-one has made me feel inadequate for taking th'usband back when he gambled. It's a toughie, because Gawj is so young and so very vulnerable with no-one in her life but her fella and her dad. I wish we could do more. We all have to make our own way in this life, I guess, but those of us who've put up with dangerous arseholes can't just stand back and say nowt.

Prambo Sun 29-Sep-13 20:36:18

Kara, I'm sure if you put your foot down hard enough your fella will tow the line. You strike me as someone who won't tolerate any fuckwittery. And rightly so <gavel>

apprenticemamma Sun 29-Sep-13 20:45:41

sympathy coming your way lumpy. Take it easy.

..Especially if u were unable to appreciate roast lamb joy. I'm still starry eyed in post lambal bliss!

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