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MARTIANS 2014 - Thread 8: Scans done, bumps showing, first flutters

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MTBMummy Fri 13-Sep-13 13:14:47
MTBMummy Fri 13-Sep-13 13:18:23

Stats Thread which desperately needs to be updated - will sort it out this weekend

Rockchick1984 Fri 13-Sep-13 13:52:01

Marking my place - thanks for the new thread MTB smile

JustCallMeBaldrick Fri 13-Sep-13 13:53:07

I've got so much catching up to do!!

PainAuxRaisins Fri 13-Sep-13 13:58:29

Thread 8 already - need to go back and read the end of the previous one!

HotCrossPun Fri 13-Sep-13 14:07:40

Thanks MTB grin

Beccadugs Fri 13-Sep-13 14:14:22

Place marking!

So tired today. Doesn't help that maternity trousers are related to the pyjama!

PiratesMam Fri 13-Sep-13 14:22:33

Thread 8! Gosh.

I think there's a Friday 13th vibe about the place today. I'm having a blue day too MTB - my dad died just before my DS was born and so I relate to all the things that you've said. I try to talk about him to the kids but they are quite young (4 and 2) and so anything they do say is quite upsetting - DS said recently "But your dad must be so sad not to come to our house", "why doesn't he want to see us" etc, they don't really get the "dead" thing yet. DS thinks everyone dies when they are 100. At the moment I'm just too emotional to talk to them about it and that feels depressing too, like he's been forgotten! sad

DS starts school finally on Monday. He is desperate to start and driving me MAD but I'm quite emotional about that too, not least because it's not our first choice school. It's a nice school but quite a trek. I was really expecting a place to come up for our first choice school on the waiting list (we were 5th) but it didn't. So feeling a bit <meh> about it which is such a middle class problem because it's still a great school!

DH has been working until 9 or 10pm every night and now he's on a stag do for the weekend. I'm SO BORED!!!!!! And a bit blue for some reason. Mainly not seeing DH much as he's working so hard which means everything at home is down to me. I'm on such a short fuse with the kids, feeling like a shouty mum at the moment and wondering why on earth we are having another!

Rant over. Sorry about that. blush

Anyone got any fun exciting plans for the weekend that I could copy?!

IceNoSlice Fri 13-Sep-13 14:30:06

Hello all. Sorry to hear of your losses MTB and Pirates.

Nothing exciting planned for the weekend. Buying a new kettle. Sleeping. Cooking roast chicken for lunch.

Someone inspire me for tonight's tea?

Marking my place.

MTBMummy Fri 13-Sep-13 14:50:04

Pirate - I'm so sorry to hear about your dad - it's just awful losing a parent.

DD was just 3 when it happened, and we explained everything to her so she gets the whole death thing, she's such a sweetie and if I'm having a bad day will come up and give me a cuddle and tell me "It's ok to cry, we all miss her"

Maybe we all need to treat ourselves to a glass of schloer this weekend. My house is a tip and pretty much packed up but I have my best mate and my sister over this weekend, so hopefully they'll just ignore the lack of belongings

MummyPig24 Fri 13-Sep-13 14:54:53

Definitely been there pirates! So glad I can get a bit of peace each day as they are both at school/pre school. Dd is shattered from it though and she is asleep right now!

I'm having a day where I feel really excited about the baby. I just can't wait to have him here! Plus I don't love being pregnant so I want it to go fast.

x0gawjus0x Fri 13-Sep-13 15:59:17

My 16 wk midwife was meant to be today but told her I am no way going on fri 13th!! So now its nxt weds haha :-) althou ill be 17 weeks then 3 weeks to scan wooooohoooo :D xxx

mimili Fri 13-Sep-13 16:08:15

Marking my place. smile

liberuna Fri 13-Sep-13 16:14:03

Rock maybe a little late - but have you tried bicarbonate of soda on the cold sore? hurts like mofo but tends to burn it off

On phone so excuse me for not getting all names but my hugs to all those who have lost someone dear and always spare a few moments to remember them

Happy news and congrats for all movements and scanees

Twice today its felt like something poking me from the inside confused Not sure if that's my little blueberry (I stuck with that fruit stage because it was cute) or indigestion

Off to a friends baby shower (8months) this weekend so excited to see what happens

Have a nice one peeps - smile

I couldn't care less that it's Friday 13th because its my 5th wedding anniversary today grin

I'm also a happy bunny on Friday 13th. Scan was amazing, all good in there smile

x0gawjus0x Fri 13-Sep-13 16:42:23

When are people going to ante natal? Ive booked nct course starting jan when ill be 31 weeks and finishes at 35 weeks. 180 pounds as dint qualify for reduction :/ will i be too far along do you think or is it about right ? Thanks x

Beccadugs Fri 13-Sep-13 16:54:37

Gawj with my course With the NCT, it said for babies due in late feb, march and early April. So that's the one I went for. I'm quite pleased as I'll be sort of in the middle!

Beccadugs Fri 13-Sep-13 16:56:01

Oops posted too soon. Ours is 8 weeks and starts mid December with a three week Christmas break in the middle. I think we have 4 weeks in jan, so you should be about right!

MummyPig24 Fri 13-Sep-13 16:59:42

Last time I started ante natal at 32 weeks, finished at 35 weeks. Most people were 38/39 weeks though.

commsgirl Fri 13-Sep-13 18:02:56

Yay Maybs grin. Get a pic uploaded!

I've booked my antenatal classes today with Lazy Daisy. It's a 6 week course starting 4 November, I'll be 23-ish weeks. The lady said they take women from 14 weeks so that works for me.

She also does a couples workshop from 30 weeks so we'll do that together.

RaspberrysAndIcecream Fri 13-Sep-13 18:54:43

Wohoo!!! I can relax. Scan went well (apart from the baby moving everytime they tried to measure it!!) it took an hour!!!
All results came back very low risk.

I'm so relieved!! Now the weekend begins!! grin and the shopping - I've not looked at anything yet so now the fun begins!! grin

I haven't seen anyone else who was meant to scan today - have they been on to say?

Coolhand Fri 13-Sep-13 18:58:24

Pirates and MTB living with loss is just so difficult. Sending hugs.

I veer between wishing things to hurry along and worrying about being at home, sleep deprived and managing another! On the one hand, I'm finding work pretty tough - I need to work late most week nights and I'm struggling, so the idea of being at home and not having to send DS to daycare is lovely. On the other hand, don't want to wish the weeks away and determined to enjoy this time with DS before I have to divide my attention!

Any word from Raspberry yet - hope all is okay.

Coolhand Fri 13-Sep-13 18:59:22

X post. - so delighted Raspberry!

MTBMummy Fri 13-Sep-13 19:07:05

Congrats Raspberry and Maybe!

Not booked ante natal classes yet, I want to get the move next week out the way first

BNmum Fri 13-Sep-13 20:23:31

My sympathies to all those that have loss a parent.

Congratulations on Maybe and Raspberry

I hope I can remember how to look after a newborn as I have no intention of doing any antenatal classes this time round.

x0gawjus0x Fri 13-Sep-13 20:45:08

Congratulations on the lovely scan news ladies smile ive got a very poorly dog sad not only has he got the worst yellow diareah from drinking vegetable oil (long story) but now he is limping too sad poor puppa!

Loving lemon juice atm ..
bellys getting harder to hide !! X

AbiBub Sat 14-Sep-13 00:44:21


I popped in a few threads back, have been trying to read all even if I didnt post so excuse if I dont post to often!! Sickness and nausea still a bit of a problem atm. Glad scanees had good experiences today :0) im 12 weeks tomorrow so hoping the ms goes soon, anyone still getting any? Due 29th march.

Sorry to hear of some losing parents. Thats tough going. I couldnt imagine my life without my mum. My dad, well I always hoped that he would come through as a proper dad, but he's wrecked my mums life, he is a nasty piece of work, and treated us so badly. So to me he is not my dad. I know that must sound awful but he has always been a bad dad. And for those of you who have a dad that cares is a wonderful thing, hold onto their memory as that is dear. :0)

Wow, sorry got all ranty there :0/

Scan due on Monday, Eeeeeeeek really excited! Anyone else got a scan that day??

Gawj hope your doggy is better soon!

Bnmum im the same on remembering yhe newborn thing, my ds is 4 now so seems like donkeys yonks ago! I don't think we're doing antenatal this time but now im wondering if we should!! Lol!

Ok ive waffled! Sorry! :0/

This thread is so quiet without Prambo. Come back soon, lady!

I'm up late for the first time in ages. Boys with their dad tonight so I can have a lie-in in the morning.

SoSurprised Sat 14-Sep-13 04:52:09

Sorry for your losses MTBMummy and Pirates.

Gawj hope the pup is feeling better.

Marking my place as I know this thread is gna whiz by

Wonder77 Sat 14-Sep-13 07:18:49

Congrats on all scans . Lovely. I've still got sickness Abi , I'm 12 w so hoping it goes soon as feel pig sick every evening and going to bed at 830!!!

Wonder77 Sat 14-Sep-13 07:20:23

Just wondering whether to have a biscuit for breakfast, it's a slippery slope!

Imeg Sat 14-Sep-13 07:30:10

Abi, this may not be what you want to hear but I'm 15+5 and still feeling very nauseous in the mornings, and brought up my dinner last night.... I think for most (lucky...) people it goes away a bit sooner than this though. And I do feel a bit more energetic than I did earlier on.

RaspberrysAndIcecream Sat 14-Sep-13 07:54:00

Wonder I had coco pops for breakfast - it was awesome!! grin <bad influence icon>

I'm on Skype just waiting for my relatives in Australia to switch on - today's the day I get to tell them about the baby!!! So bloody excited!!!

OwlinaTree Sat 14-Sep-13 08:12:22

Morning all! I think I've decided against NCT, think I might join a class after the birth and meet people that way. Good luck to those who are doing it tho.

I was still waiting for the old thread to fill up! In more exciting news I think I felt the baby move yesterday evening. We were in the flicks and I definitely felt some sort of fluttery movement. Course it could have just been digestion, but I hope it was the baby.

Congrats on good scan results, glad more low risks. Ours came back low, although the actual odds were not that low, but I am quite old. But the letter said low risk so trying not to worry.

Sorry to people who have lost parents. My stepmum died several years ago, not at all the same relationship, but I know my step sisters miss her everyday, especially at these milestone events. It's so lovely you are keeping their memory alive by talking to your children about them, as they grow they will understand more. My niece is 8 now and although was only 18 months when Nana died, still 'remembers' her because they've always looked at photos of them and had them on display.

I'm supposed to be having a lie in now but I'm going to have to get up, I'm so hungry!

BakingEating Sat 14-Sep-13 08:30:36

Hi Abi I'm 13+3 today and I found that my sickness really wore off during week 12. I still get some symptoms but it's much, much better. Hang on in there!

commsgirl Sat 14-Sep-13 08:31:28

Congrats on the good scans smile

Owl so exciting that you're feeling movement. How far along are you?

Raspberry enjoy telling your family smile

Gaw hope your puppy is feeling better today!

For those of you who've lost parents, my grandad passed away when I was seven but before my youngest two cousins were born. There were always pictures around and they'd always hear stories about him. They're 11 and 16 now and talk about him like they knew him. Seconding what Abi said really, if you keep the memory alive for them when they're young then eventually they'll do that all by themselves.

We're going to see a house today, I really want it! Just hoping we love it as much as we thing we will.

commsgirl Sat 14-Sep-13 08:32:34

Also Abi I'm 14+1 today and still have the odd wave of nausea but nothing like what I had up until week 12. Hope it'll start easing off for you too!

greymoose Sat 14-Sep-13 08:55:23

Morning Martians!

Wonder what is that little icon thing? I've been confused by it for ages!

IceNoSlice Sat 14-Sep-13 09:07:01

Morning all. Grey it's a biscuit, there's a list of all the icons if you scroll down. A jammy dodger i think. Wonder used it as an actual biscuit, ie biscuits for brekkie, and sometimes people use it like that with the tea brew icon.

However it also gets used in different way a lot on MN, especially in AIBU. If someone's post is especially outrageously selfish or unreasonable or whatever, people will post:
'Have a biscuit
Or just

I think it comes from the phrase 'that takes the biscuit!'

greymoose Sat 14-Sep-13 09:13:51

Ohhh it comes up on my phone as a brown biscuit not the normal yellow jammy dodger!! That makes sense now though haha thanks! Xx

x0gawjus0x Sat 14-Sep-13 09:25:28

Pups not limping today tho his fur is stainee from bright yellow diarrea despite two showers!

My sickness has started going too, im 15+4 today and havent been sick for about 4 days it was really bad the worst im getting atm is feeling sick and gagging with certain smells x

PiratesMam Sat 14-Sep-13 09:58:04

Morning all, I have woken up with a horrible cold! Like gawjus my puking/retching is definitely on the wane though and I'm trying to go without the cyclizine again as it makes me so tired. How is everyone else going with the sickness?
Taking the DCs to an aquarium this morning once I have summoned the energy!
When I did the NCT with my first I was about 31 weeks I think, all the others were a bit ahead of me. Didn't really make much difference; at first it seemed like all the other babies were miles ahead of my DS but then he was the first to talk despite being over a month younger than the rest <proudface>

Right. Better get going. Feel so snotty! I look like complete shit. Oh well.

OwlinaTree Sat 14-Sep-13 10:00:32

I'm 15 weeks tomorrow comms

PainAuxRaisins Sat 14-Sep-13 10:13:35

Hooray to maybe and raspberry! Glad to hear some of you have MS easing off now - gives hope to the rest of us (esp 12 weekers like me that probably have to endure a few more weeks). I'm really missing Pram's funny posts. Hope she's ok and can come back soon to make us all laugh. Good luck to Abi and anyone else going for a scan on Monday and I hope that little puppy is getting better.

greymoose Sat 14-Sep-13 10:48:44

gaw sorry to hear about pup, hope he's better soon! my nct classes start on 2nd december at 26 weeks, which seems quite early but runs til 27 jan when ill be 34 weeks - think its cause of xmas!

lumpylumps Sat 14-Sep-13 11:12:19

My mum lost her mum when she was 12. It's made her an amazing mum cos she's so aware of what she and her mum have both missed out on. I have no idea how anyone copes with loosing a parent. Dhs step mum has terminal cancer. She won't be here this time next year. It's awful.

I've been shopping this morning. I collected my mat clothes from New look. I've kept them even though they look a bit ridiculous atm. I had to keep telling myself that in a couple of months I will fill them!! I also bought a couple of nice woolly jumpers in normal sizes that have bump room. And 3 New bras!!

I still feel nauseous after I eat but it does seem to be settling. My heartburn has kicked in tho. I'm on the gaviscon!

I'm so pleased to hear that ms is calming down. It gives me hope smile

Sorry about the pooch Gawj. Never nice when they're poorly.

How is the pup Comms. Thinking of you x

Great scan news Raspberry!

I'm so sorry to all this that have lost parents x

Also missing Pramalamadingdong

Oh, and my NCT isn't until February! It's done in one weekend as well. All 14 hours of it shock. My hypnobirthing course will start in January. Am really looking forward to it. Have heard great things from my MW friend about hypnobirthing.

Edamame Sat 14-Sep-13 11:56:03

Very happy to hear the good scan news (mine was also fine)... have we heard from Rosy yet... think hers was yesterday too? Please check in Rosy!

Coming off anti-depressants is challenging, Pram & Sunshine, I am there as well. It's been long enough for the physical withdrawal to have gone but I am tending to kick off at small things - learning how to stay on a more even keel will take a bit of practise for me - I have a feeling of almost constant indignation at the moment.

Great news Edamame smile

I really admire you'll for coming off the meds. It must be hard enough to do without all the extra hormones running through the body. Without meaning to sound in any way patronising, is there anything you can do to up your natural endorphins?

Edamame, I'm there too. Trying to reduce as much as possible atm but finding I'm definitely more irritable. Pg hormones don't help.

Owl, how old are you and what was your risk? I'm 42 and on age alone my risk would be something like 1:54 but the scan and blood test brought it down to 1:370. Classed as low risk but not as low as I'd like.

Prambo Sat 14-Sep-13 13:24:31

Edam, I feel apoplectic for no reason whatsoever. I am literally struggling not to twat people (like the estate agent who just told me my cats are not welcome at a property I really, really want.) If my mother says 'Oooooooooooh, Pram! There's a chippy just across t'road!' one more fucking time she will not only need a crutch (she's a bit crippled) she'll need a bastard neck brace.

Lumpy, be nice to your infertile colleague. I've been there and it is torture having to live/work alongside preggos. She will want to stab you and feed you to her Alsatians but don't take it personally. On a serious note, she will be suffering on a daily basis and crying herself to sleep every night. Her relationships will be rocked and she will hate her seemingly pointless life. Don't be a martyr though, either, and don't do any of her work.

[waves to Marbie, Lyra and everyone else]

<re-skulks until tsunami of evil subsides> sad

PiratesMam Sat 14-Sep-13 13:27:58

Maybe I did the NCT in a wknd too - it was good, a lot to take in though and DH found it a tad overwhelming, I had to take him for a LNG walk around our local park afterwards! I think a lot of it was a shock to him!!
I also did hypnobirthing, but just the book and CD, not the course. It definitely helped me cope, although I'd be lying if I said it was the advertised "pain free"!

Wonder77 Sat 14-Sep-13 13:34:58

Had no idea biscuit could mean anything other than an actual biscuit but thanks for info!

MummyPig24 Sat 14-Sep-13 13:55:17

Happy weekend Martians!

This has been a good week, because, since reaching 13 weeks I have been feeling so much better. Hardly any nausea, still a very small appetite though. Dhs friend kept trying to force feed me last night.

We have been to the kids showing of Despicable Me 2 a the cinema, it was so funny! Home now, very cold!

Wonder77 Sat 14-Sep-13 14:01:11

Pirates I'm interested in hyponobirthing this time. My midwife is trained. You'd recommend it then.

Wonder77 Sat 14-Sep-13 14:02:51

That gives me hop Mummypig as I'd like sickness to stop! My appetite is huge - I don't feel sick when I'm eating so eating all the time!

MummyPig24 Sat 14-Sep-13 14:06:45

I thought it would never end wonder!

Mummy, I loved the first Despicable Me. My boys went to see 2 with my mum so I've missed my chance to see it. I'd look a bit odd going on my own...

Grey, I was confused by the biscuit icon too. On my iPhone it looks like a brown plasticky Lego-style hair helmet. Why is there a black square at the bottom?

PiratesMam Sat 14-Sep-13 15:29:18

Wonder I would, although i wouldn't say you need to spend lots on the course, I managed just on the book and the CD. It helped me to keep my composure during labour and I learnt to sort of "remove" myself from the pain; ie I recognised it was painful but didn't let it into my head. The only time I panicked was when I was sick at transition, because puking interrupted my breathing. But at least that made us realise the baby was coming and we left for the hossie to late at that point! Will definitely borrow the book and the CD from someone again this time.

Hello ladies, I've come back from my shopping trip to JoJo Maman Bebe laden with maternity goodies grin. Their clothes are so comfy and reasonably priced - highly recommended.

lumpylumps Sat 14-Sep-13 15:59:04

pram see you can post without being harsh. I would never be horrible to her, one of my best friends went through 4 years of tests and ivf to get their dd and I saw how awful it was. I'm being sensitive and helpful and not giving her heavy work whilst at the same time not doing it myself. She just takes the piss when on a Friday she couldn't possibly do a patient who needs 2 nurses, expecting me to roll him but on a Monday she does him all on her own! hmm

OwlinaTree Sat 14-Sep-13 16:08:00

lyra I'm 35 and risk was 1400 to 1. My last pregnancy I was 34 and it was like 170000 to 1. So it doesn't seem very good to me!

Prambo Sat 14-Sep-13 16:11:31

...in that case, Lumpy, clunk her o'er th'ead with a brick.

PiratesMam Sat 14-Sep-13 17:18:20

I'm sure for DS my odds were 1:26,000 - I was only 28. Ah the purity of youth [haggard emoticon]

I'm proper stuffed-up at the moment. DH is going to put the kids to bed and I'm going to order us some Japanese food - I need the recovery power of chicken ramen! I also might have a medicinal wine with it. I'm sooooo knackered!

I'm taking advantage of my boys not being here to have a day filled with beige junk food. I always cook fresh healthy stuff when they're eating too so it's nice to have a day off.

Lunch was a packet of bargain cheese and onion rolls which i bought from co-op yesterday, reduced to 15p a packet. I can't resist a bargain, me. Luckily I have a large freezer to accommodate all my impulse purchases.

I talked to DP on Skype earlier. He looks horrible! He had dental surgery yesterday and his face is all puffed up and he has a giant top lip. I had to resist the urge to laugh when I saw him blushblushblush Seriously, it was like talking to a stranger but I know my handsome chap is under there somewhere. He's coming home on Monday smilesmilesmile

Pirates, enjoy your Japanese food. I want some now. A big bowl of soup noodles with shellfish. Mmmmmm....

Magpieblue Sat 14-Sep-13 17:40:28

I've just resurfaced after pretty much a straight 10-hour Game of Thrones binge. I think I have bedsores and square eyes. I've been so lazy this week but then I have been getting over a horrid cold.

PiratesMam Sat 14-Sep-13 17:48:22

Magpie this is DC1 for you isn't it? You're so lucky - I have the kind of cold I could really snuggle up with and enjoy if I didn't have my kids yet. The words "duvet day" bring a tear to my eye! confused Make the most of the opportunity to be lazy!! grin

Magpieblue Sat 14-Sep-13 17:54:37

Pirates Yep, DC1. I've had the worst cold I've had for years but I've quite enjoyed it because I've been in bed with snacks and DVDs almost all week and LOVED it. I realise this sounds smug but as you say, it's probably my last chance and I'm def enjoying it!

MummyPig24 Sat 14-Sep-13 17:59:24

I wasn't impressed with our dinner really. It was BBQ chicken with wedges and salad. The chicken was a bit tasteless really and I'm still a bit hungry. We've had a lazy day at home after coming back from town. The kids didn't go to bed till 9 last night so they are tired and need to be in bed by 7 really.

lumpylumps Sat 14-Sep-13 18:29:44

magpie milk it, enjoy it and savour it!!! Last year I foolishly wished I could be properly poorly so I could have some time off work and still send the boys to nursery. I ended up with tonsilitis on the 2 days we were having a new boiler put in so no heating or hot water and old men in the house. Won't be wishing that again!!!

Prambo Sat 14-Sep-13 18:42:36

Just had a blazing row with my sister and then my mum. I've rung my dad to come and take me home back to my cats and th'usband. I have abandoned all further house-viewing (I was supposed to be here until Tuesday, there are lots more houses to view). I cannot and will not do this (house viewing) on my own any more. It is too stressful and too much responsibility without DH's input. II'm royally fucked-off and breathless with pent-up fury. This isn't good. I'm going home to OD on ADs <munch>

PiratesMam Sat 14-Sep-13 18:44:06

Ha lumpy in my more vulnerable moments I've wished for something serious but not life threatening, like appendicitis. Because I'm a SAHM my kids aren't in nursery or anything so my reasoning was I'd have to be hospitalised to get a proper "rest"! Once in hospital I'd milk it a bit to stay for a bit longer and get DH to bring in subway sandwiches for me. I've got it all worked out wink

PiratesMam Sat 14-Sep-13 18:49:56

Pramalamb there's no way I'd view houses without DH, far too much responsibility! How come he's not been able to go with you today? He sees his lad on Saturdays doesn't he?
Get thee home and do anything you can to calm down - bath, takeaway, shag, whatevs - you sound so stressed, I really feel for you. I've been crazy with pregnancy hormones recently and that's without a post ADs come down. I can't remember, are you still on a low dose? I have a friend who continued with a low dose of ADs throughout pregnancy (weirdly she too was going through the hell of moving house!).

Prambo Sat 14-Sep-13 18:55:54

Yeah, Pirates, he is at his son's eighth birthday party far, far away (you remember the £100 bike debacle, right?) He cannot view house during the week as he doesn't get home until 7.30pm and the houses are twenty-odd miles away in my home town. That leaves Saturdays when he sees his son. What is making all this shit more difficult is that we don't own a car and so I am travelling on several trains and buses to come here to my home town to view houses alone. I have walked around for five hours today criss-crossing this town to look at places. I'm fucked-off. I don't even want to live here. I hate this town.

Can I ask those who will be having input from their mothers after the birth and beyond: exactly how much will I need/want my mum? Is it really necessary for me to move to be near her (remember we don't have a car, DH works 12 hr days and sees his son Saturdays and I will not be able to just jump on several trains and buses with baby to get to mum's for help)? Is it possible I will cope without having to live near her?

Pram, when my first was born my mum lived over an hour away. I get irritated with her if she's around too much so I was happy with the amount I saw her (once a week). We both drive, which made things easier. When DS1 was tiny XP worked long hours, rarely home before 8pm, and I managed fine. Same when DS2 was born. I got used to the long days. It help if you have stuff to do in the day, baby groups etc, so you don't feel isolated, lonely and desperate for adult company.

Can you look into getting a car, now H is no longer gambling? Then you would have more freedom over where to live.

PiratesMam Sat 14-Sep-13 19:06:01

When I had my first, my mum lived 5 hours away. She came to stay for about 3 weeks from birth, she cooked, cleaned and told me how to keep him alive! She went home for a bit then came back for another few weeks. I had problems post-birth with infected stitches so I couldn't do a great deal, and was also an emotional mess as my pa had just died. DH's mum also helped when my mum was at home.
After a couple of months I felt more confident and then mum just visited whenever she wanted to see us, or rather, the baby!
DD was a lot easier, second baby and we'd really have been fine without any help apart from having my mum look after DS whilst I was in hossie.
My mum has now moved up to London to spend more time with us which feels like such a luxury. (much easier to get on with her now too!)
I think it depends - would you be going back work, would your mum be part of your child care plan?

Prambo Sat 14-Sep-13 19:14:30

Oh fucking hell fire! My dad just rang to say that he is banging on my door and shouting through my letterbox ready to give me a lift 'home'. He thinks the row I have had is with DH, not my mum! He is fucking miles away at the wrong house sad

Thank you, Lyra & Pirates for your input. My mum is unwell with sensory neuropathy which means she has constant pain in her hands and feet and stumbles and falls a lot and has little strength. I wonder how much help she would actually be. Lyra, we need to move anyway due to our home being bulldozed and so buying a car as well is impossible. Pirates, I won't be going to work - at least not until baby is at school. I'm so confused about what to do.

Doesn't sound like your mum will be much practical help. Are there properties for rent where you live now and how do they compare price-wise to your hometown? And have you looked into council housing? Having your home demolished should surely make you a high priority.

IceNoSlice Sat 14-Sep-13 19:28:00

Prambo my mum lives 4 hours drive away. She came down for 4/5 days when DS was about 10 days old - just before DH's paternity leave finished. It means they have to stay with us when they visit which is a bit full on. I love my parents very much but they drive me nuts after a few days. Especially as my dad didn't really get it at first and expected it to be like other visits where he sat on his arse, had drinks fetched for him and was entertained. A bit of a shock for him when I asked him to peel the veg for tea.

If your home town is such an arse to get to, how will your OH get to work if you move there? TBH, if it was me I'd rather DH got home earlier than having mum on the doorstep. Could you move so it's only one bus ride away, a nearby town or whatever? So you're not too close and in each other's hair?

Hope you get home safely by the way.

IceNoSlice Sat 14-Sep-13 19:38:27

I'm feeling blue about clothes. I returned almost all the maternity clothes I bought last week and have a very limited wardrobe. Everything you can buy classed as 'work wear' seems to be in jersey fabric. I need to be smart for work (proper smart, suit smart) and those jersey wrap dresses just won't cut it.

It was summer when I was big for DS, none of those clothes are suitable bar the odd top.

I lost a lot of weight on maternity leave with DS and went down 2 dress sizes. So I kept some of my old suits and just got them down from the loft. The skirts are ok, they'll go over the bump. But the trousers and jackets look awful. Too big across the arse/shoulders.

I'm going to have to bite the bullet and pay £150 for a jacket and £120 for a dress from Isabella Oliver, aren't I? sad

IceNoSlice Sat 14-Sep-13 19:40:59

Just read that back - really not meant to be a stealth boast. £150 is a lot of money for us. Just feeling glum at the prospect of looking like a sack of spuds at work.

MummyPig24 Sat 14-Sep-13 19:59:19

pram you sound super stressed, what a shite time you are having. I hope you find the perfect house very soon. As for needing your mum, well I didn't have mine around and I've coped fine. I have lovely family, but none of them help me, so really I've done it alone with ds, and then with dh since he was 6 months old. You can do it, you're a strong woman!!

On another note, my neighbour is beginning to take the piss. A few weeks ago her freezer died so I agreed when she asked to keep her meat in my freezer till she got a new freezer in a few days. Well, they got a freezer that was actually a fridge. How you wouldn't notice that on purchase I don't know. Then they got an actual freezer that didn't work. Then today she came round and said she had to go out, their freezer was being delivered between 3 and 8, could I let them in and she would be back well before 8. It's now almost 8, neither the freezer, nor my neighbour have appeared. She had better get home soon and take her keys back cos I am tired and pissed off!

BNmum Sat 14-Sep-13 20:18:28

I'm with ice I'd opt for DH to be home earlier rather than dm being on the doorstep. Definitely investigate council housing pram and options to move half way between current town and home town.

It sounds like your mother would be good for emotional support but less so for the physical support such as cleaning which means location is less important. You can easily access emotional support on the phone. Where does your sister live, will she be much help?

My family also live over 4hrs away and have to stay with us when they visit. It's lovely if its 1-2 nights but anything more is hard work. I love my family dearly but I've come to realise I also love my own space. As they're not close by I was forced to just get on with it and I managed fine. I did throw myself into lots of baby groups so I could get out of the house and have a normal adult conversation, some groups/activities were lovely and we still go to them, others so were just too awful so we dropped those.

I hope you find something suitable soon pram

RaspberrysAndIcecream Sat 14-Sep-13 20:20:36

Sending a hug to pram and a huge kick up the arse to Mummy's neighbours.
My lovely neighbours just moved sad I miss them. They were so good.

Ice have you tried JoJo for clothes? My old boss had a load of lovely suit style maternity clothes from there - but that was about 4 years ago. Hope u find something that doesn't cost a fortune.

Dh has just said we can go and look at baby stuff 2moro!!! Really excited now!!! grin

BNmum Sat 14-Sep-13 20:22:35

Have you looked at seraphine ice? If its good enough for the Duchess of Cambridge it's gotta be good enough for work. I really like their dresses and they're cheaper than Isabella Oliver.

MummyPig24 Sat 14-Sep-13 20:26:37

I like my neighbour, she is nice, but she does seem to ask a lot of people. She has twin girls a few months older than dd so we have things in common, but she's very different to me. I can't say no and struggle to ask favours, whereas she thinks the world owes her a favour.

Piss takers are annoying, aren't they, Mummy. I suspect she wouldn't get the hint if you acted a bit annoyed when she asked for favours and would carry on asking regardless.

My boys are home now and we're chilling out watching crap Saturday night telly.

Magpieblue Sat 14-Sep-13 20:32:43

I'm stocking up on Seraphine and Isabella Oliver stuff from ebay why am I telling the competition? and since I don't need any of it yet, I'm being patient and not spending more than £10 on each item. Got a lovely Seraphine top for 99p.

MummyPig24 Sat 14-Sep-13 20:36:16

Ok now I am really annoyed. I text her to say the freezer had not been delivered. She replied saying she won't be back till 11, hope that's ok to collect the keys! I said I will be asleep by then, where can I leave the keys for her. There is no way I'm staying up till then, and she shouldn't be keeping two 3 year olds out till then either. They dont have a car so god knows how they will get back. Argh I'm cross!

Magpie, thanks for the tip wink

Only joking. I don't need work clothes. I intend to spend this whole pregnancy in my new super-comfy over-bump leggings and big tops.

lumpylumps Sat 14-Sep-13 20:49:28

pram my mum lives 45mins away and its perfect. I'd hate to have her too close popping in all the time. The support I've needed had always been advice and just someone to chat to. That can be done over the phone. Hope you're ok.

greymoose Sat 14-Sep-13 20:56:41

prammy I'm moving to be near my mum but we are very close and she's the only person i would ever 100% rely on, no exceptions, but I'm also moving to be near where i want to live and where my friends are so it's sort of a happy coincidence really and makes it an easy choice. id choose that reason over my mum if we didnt have the relationship we do so its all personal preference i think, i also have no dcs so don't have any experience of that yet!

it might be that the mix of pressure of finding a house, then doing it alone, stress of the bike, lowering the ad dose, dh being silly, and general all round pregnancy stress making it more tense? you might find once things settle down your relationship is easier naturally and that you want her around more perhaps? do you think thats likely? what about your sister?

sorry to hear about the clothes ice - haven't even bothered after seeing the lack of success everyones had so far! yuod think someone would see the gap in the market, as its not like the world will run out of a customer base if its pregnant women, and you make decent maternity clothes... maybe one of our more creative martians could start something wink

greymoose Sat 14-Sep-13 20:58:50

oh also on the mum thing, my mum is not 'mumsy' at all, more like a sister, so i can probably deal with being around all the time because she's not the sort to be intrusive at all or pop round and just lets me get on with it. in fact I'm usually the one annoying her by being a bit too much at times haha hmm

HotCrossPun Sat 14-Sep-13 21:11:09

Got my Down's risk back today, is says ''low chance'', but no actual numbers like you lot seem to have got.

Has anybody not got a 1: somethingorother on their letter?

I am beyond sleepy today. I think I've been awake for 3 hours or something. The rest of the time I have been napping. The baby must be growing something hard going like its thigh bones or something at the moment to sap me of so much bloody energy!

<falls asleep on keyboard>

Hotcross, I got an actual figure, 1:370, as well as a classification of "low risk". I think that's the norm.

Prambo Sat 14-Sep-13 21:26:03

Thank you so, so much for sharing your regimes and family stuff. I really appreciate hearing it. I think I am panicking at worst case scenarios when the baby arrives. Who says I will need my mum on hand 25/7? Who says I need a fucking car? We need to move house and that comes first but I think to move somewhere with such dire memories is going to be a psychological step back for me. Can I really get council housing when DH works? I very much doubt it. Who asked about my sister? She's a twat. Actually, she isn't, she just makes me feel inadequate and like I am a bad person for having the personality I do. I have only come to this realisation since I got sober. I have realised that she loves me but doesn't actually like me very much. I won't bore you....

Th'usband is now home and I have wailed and snotted on him. He says we are moving to Chorley (there - I've outed myself) to be near mum. he said I ill need someone to look after baby when I go for walks down the canal to drown myself

A couple of you mentioned DH working shorter hours. I wish. This is his first employment since leaving rehab and it is an unrewarding and arduous fucker of a job that doesn't pay much. But I'm very proud of him and he is, unfortunately, stuck with it until his CV looks decent enough for him to move on to summat else. I won't bore you...

I've upped my tablets, snogged my fella and fed the cats; I feel miles better. I can't thank you enough for reading and helping xx

greymoose Sat 14-Sep-13 21:30:11

glad to hear pram, also very glad to hear mr pram and the meowy-prams are on hand and helping.

Prambo Sat 14-Sep-13 21:30:39

Moosy, you hit the nail on the head with your list of stuff that is contributing to my stress.

Hottie, my letter said 1:88,000.

I'm sorry some of you have suffered the losses of mums and dads. Gosh, that must be hard sad

My mum is also my best friend, Moosy, but with that comes the nightmare of us being a blueprint of each other. She thinks I am unbelievably difficult at times but she cannot see that I am the duplicate of her.

greymoose Sat 14-Sep-13 21:31:15


greymoose Sat 14-Sep-13 21:32:02

i don't know why I'm grinning allover the place that was meant to be on the last post not just a random serial killer face

Pram, glad your man is making you feel better. Sometimes just a hug and affection and knowing someone is there with you makes everything seem better, doesn't it?

Can you not continue on a low dose of anti-d throughout pregnancy? What are the risks? It sounds to me like the benefit to you of continuing would be worth a tiny risk to the baby. My doc said the risks are negligible but I've cut down anyway, just in case. Not sure stopping altogether would work for me. And I don't know precisely what the "negligible" risk is. Time to consult Dr Google.

I do think it's worth at least enquiring about council and housing association houses. On that How to Get a Council House programme, I'm sure lots of the applicants were working. I think you need to be on a low income to qualify.

Lol Grey. I believe you wink

PS to my previous post, I grew up in a housing association house and my parents both worked.

SoSurprised Sat 14-Sep-13 21:41:04

Prambo glad you are feeling better. Seems like a very tough day

Mummy that is so annoying. Had she turned up yet?

IceNoSlice Sat 14-Sep-13 21:42:59


(Serial killer face back at you Grey)

The right house is there for you Pram, you've just not found it yet. 'twas I what first mentioned your DH's work in the context of the house move, but I meant make sure the commute isn't too long so you can pass the baby over ASAP when he gets home see him as much as poss.

Seraphine is a good shout, I'll look into it. Thanks. I'm a bit hmm about maternity clothes on eBay - I sold some of the stuff I bought last time for more than I paid for it and it seems pretty popular. But maybe I need to take your tack (sorry, was it BNMum?) and restrict searches to the high end stuff. Don't worry about me being competition at the mo as I am too busy for eBay for a while. Thanks though.

lumpylumps Sat 14-Sep-13 21:58:51

I think the problem with maternity clothes is that they're designed for when you're 6 months + and have a proper baby bump not when you're getting bigger.

AbiBub Sat 14-Sep-13 22:02:13

Hey all!

pram glad you are feeling better! I was gonna say that dh will jyst have to help more, but I see where you're coming from with his job, so keeping fx it all pans out ok. Put yourself up for going on housing register anyhow, me and dp are on it and he works (low income too) we havent got a place yet but its a comfort knowing we are on it if things get really diar! Depending on the relationship you have with your mum, if you're fairly close then even just having her near will be a comfort so you at least have the choice on whether to see her or not.

ice I too have wardrobe probs, I cant find my old maternity stuff and limited funds too. Clothes way to tight really, started showing earlier this time!

grey im like you im close with my mum too, so having her around is a must. She lost her mun when she was 24 which is why we prob see it as important that we have a good bond.

magpie enjoy the time off before LO comes along, my ds doesnt give me time to be ill!! So deffo make the most of it!

mummypig you give hope to all of us that are still green around the gills with ms atm! Hope you get the neighbour thing sorted!

lumpy yayh to the shopping matetnity clothes so much more comfy, enjoy! Nausea sucks huh! Hopefully the mat clothing will help ease that with being looser! :0)

Thanks pain let's hope getting past the first trimester will bring less ms eh!!

pirate hope the cold goes soon! I too am a SAHM so didnt have ds go to nursery so know what you mean about time off!

gawj glad pup a bit better despite the stained fur!! Hope the gagging goes soon for you!

comms how was the house? There is hope after all, in normal non pg me onions and garlic cause nausea tge next day, but ms is just horrid!!

Raspberry coco pops gor breakie, im jealous!! Cant stomach milk in morning atm so its wheatabix with hot water and two spoonfuls of sugar for me :0 ( hope the skype call was good, enjoy baby stuff hunting tomorrow!

wonder im 12 weeks also hope the nausea goes soon!!mines worse in the morning, wad sick this morning with nothing! ! Was yuk! Mmmmmm biscuits, I can only have rich tea atm but they have to be the brand ones!!

imeg I really hope it goes soon for you, with my ds mine lasted till 16weeks but not as sicky as this time, so there is hope for you im keeping fx for you! !

Thanks baking that makes me feel better, , there is hope afterall!! :0)

Phwef, I know ive made this a long post but wanted to for this one at least even if I xant for many others! !

liberuna Sat 14-Sep-13 22:11:05

Ice I need the same , smart suits for work - Got some nice mamas and papas adjustable trousers which are amazing. Really good quality material and will suit till I get reasonably larger bump. Jackets have never really suited me so i get bolero type things.

RE neighbours. Can you leave it under front door mat?
I'm sorry, do they think we have nothing better to do than wait around. sad Next time put a friendly restriction on what they ask. eg. I can wait till 8pm but then I'm unavailable so where would you like me to stick the key where the sun don't shine may or may not be an option

Pram nice to see you back, with all of that going no wonder it's a challenging time. Hope you get home ok

AbiBub Sat 14-Sep-13 22:11:14

Ahhh mat clothes on ebay, hmmm worth a thought, trouble is when on ebay I get drawn to all the lovely Radley purses I want!! grin

pram cat lover eh, I have 2 which have to stay at mums atm and I miss them. I find stroking them really helps calm me (no pun intended!!) Apparently they release positive endorphins into the atmosphere when you stroke them! What breed are yours?

Coolhand Sat 14-Sep-13 22:20:34

I bought Isabella O stuff off eBay last time. Re-sold it when done so worked out good value.

Grumpy with DH. He was cutting hedges all afternoon, I took DS out for an hour long walk and ended up getting light headed, too far from home - had to sit on pavement with head between legs, fighting the urge to be sick. Didn't have my mobile on me so had to struggle back home. Came in, ashen grey and he had just sat down to watch cricket. Told him I needed him to take over with DS, while I made dinner and he was in a right mood. When I told him what had happened over dinner, he just ignored me, no comment, nothing. Total grrr.

Anyway, I've my mum close by and she's brill - DS loves her as well. I really appreciate when she can step in and she's good at knowing when to disappear!

Coolhand Sat 14-Sep-13 22:26:19

Oh and I'll give you all a laugh. I bought a bellydancing/pregnancy DVD today. Have been struggling with back pain and it was recommended by a friend who swore it helped her through labour also. I think a lot of the hip moves look similar to the kinds of things you do in pregnancy yoga. Anyway, I'll give anything a go. Gullible, me, never...

Prambo Sat 14-Sep-13 22:30:26

Yes, yes and yes to pussy-stroking for immediate succour, Abi.

Mummy, your neighbour is a horror. You poor thing, being stuck with doing her favours, the scumbag ingrate that she is. I wish I lived around the corner, I'd kick her head in for you smile

Ice, I get your drift re shorter DH commute = less chance of my hanging from the bannister when he gets home. I'm on it....

Ice, I also think you should treat yourself to the £150 suit for work. I know it's expensive, but I think you'll get your money's worth with the bonus of feeling good about yourself.

Lyra, you cuddling them lads? Sorry your DP looks like Quasimodo grin I did actually send off my social housing ID t'other day, so we shall see...
...I was down to 5mg crumbs of tablet which I snipped with pill-cutters. I agree that my mental health has to come first if this baby is going to see its 1st birthday...


Prambo Sat 14-Sep-13 22:32:45

Coolhand, good luck with that! confusedgrin

Wonder77 Sat 14-Sep-13 23:31:22

Ok thanks for the advice pirates smile

Wonder77 Sat 14-Sep-13 23:34:42

I feel like I might feel movement. But ci
Old be trapped wind ( which I have an abundance of!) surely too early to feel anything?

Wonder77 Sat 14-Sep-13 23:35:08


How far along are you and is this your first?

AbiBub Sun 15-Sep-13 00:03:25

wonder I thought I felt flutters the other day, but then put it down to wind!!! I think its because I think its too early to feel but my mum said that if you're quite in tune with your body then she thinks its possible. This is my second dc and I am quite in tune with my bod so maybe we have been feeling the little beans move after all! ! :0)

coolhand hope the bellydancing goes well :0)

pram pussy-stroking lol!!

MummyPig24 Sun 15-Sep-13 04:08:24

Thanks pram. I don't mind doing people favours at all, but I get annoyed when they take the piss. She said she would be back as soon as possible (at 2 o clock) and then said she wouldn't be back till 11. So I rang her and said I would put her keys in her shed. I still don't feel great in the evenings and need a decent amount of sleep to get through it, plus my kids are not laying in types, they will be up by 7.

I haven't even attempted maternity clothes yet. My jeans still fit and my leggings stretch! I'm so skint I can't afford maternity clothes, but I do need to find some money for bras soon.

Wonder77 Sun 15-Sep-13 05:21:46

I'm 12 w - no.3

greymoose Sun 15-Sep-13 05:50:37

Back to not sleeping again, exhausted. 15 weeks today blah.

Coolhand Sun 15-Sep-13 07:22:38

Wonder pretty sure Lyra felt no 3 from 12 weeks.

I felt baby on and off for a week and a half but haven't felt anything in ages. Baby must have moved in there. I have m/w appnt on Tuesday so will hear the heartbeat then for some reassurance!

MummyPig24 Sun 15-Sep-13 07:24:48

Wonder I've been feeling movement from 12 weeks, also 3rd baby. 14 weeks today. I haven't felt him yesterday but I guess he's moved around.

lumpylumps Sun 15-Sep-13 07:29:22

Amazon's pretty good for mat clothes too. abibub I read that as loser, not looser!!

Wonder77 Sun 15-Sep-13 08:12:09

Thanks coolhand and mummypig - that makes it more exciting to think it may be baby I'm feeling smile

Glad to know there is someone else as mad as us going for no. 3 mummypig! wink

Coolhand Sun 15-Sep-13 08:18:10

Pram on the mum thing, mum helped me out on days when I couldn't seem to get hands free for long enough to get a shower, when I was absolutely exhausted or when I just needed a baby free hour for sanity. Could I have coped without her, absolutely but it felt like such a blessing having her nearby. I remember one night, DS had vomited all over cot, me, our bed, the hall himself etc and DH was away. Every time I tried to set him down he screamed, he was a little shivering wreck, he didn't know what was going on. Phoned mum - she comforted him, while I cleared up. Once again, could have managed but was lovely having the option. My sis (who lives in Glasgow) is very jealous because she has no family nearby - also family tend to stay with her when over and they drive each other up the walls after living with each other for a couple of days!

It all depends on how good your mum is at respecting your boundaries! Also, we didn't move to be close to mum (as she actually used to wind me up), we moved because it's a beautiful area. I do think when you are in a house day in, day out with baby that being happy in the house is V important for sanity, so try to balance all of those things up! Not easy, I know.

PiratesMam Sun 15-Sep-13 08:20:48

Wonder - JK10 is on number 5!! I'm on #3. Definitely the last one here!

OwlinaTree Sun 15-Sep-13 08:37:23

I'm 15 weeks today too grey

Yy to tiredness!

Wonder77 Sun 15-Sep-13 08:53:39

Wow 5! Respect.

liberuna Sun 15-Sep-13 10:56:00

Me too Owl & Grey 15 weeks.

I'll be 17 weeks on Tuesday shock Almost half way!

JustCallMeBaldrick Sun 15-Sep-13 11:18:19

17 weeks today - scary! coolhand the belly dancing sounds fab! I did it for years, but stopped a couple of years ago. It helped loads with my back pain then, maybe I should give it another go smile
Can't remember who was asking about #3, but this is #4 for us (and pill baby #2...DH is booked in at the beginning of November!)
I think I'm definitely feeling movements now, maybe once or twice a day, and it's great, as I'm still finding it hard to come to terms with this pg, so it seems to be helping with my
bonding and acceptance issues. ( I haven't actually said that to anyone till just now. Don't think I could have 'said' it to anyone else - love you ladies!)

Baldrick, I'm still in denial. I forget that, despite my huge belly, there's an actual baby in there, which sounds stupid as I've done this twice before but not for a decade and I'd thought my baby-making days were long behind me. Not that this baby isn't wanted, he is very much, I just can't get my head to engage with the fact of being pregnant. I'm not making any sense. I think feeling regular movement will help me to bond too. I haven't felt anything substantial for days.

Prambo Sun 15-Sep-13 11:38:30

This, from one of those week-by-week baby development sites. 16 weeks:

'Since this is considered a safe stage of pregnancy, with no, or few, symptoms to contend with, it's a great time to go on vacation.'

Oh do fuck off. Not all of us can jet off to sunny climes just because we've stopped throwing up.

Prambo Sun 15-Sep-13 11:39:12

Dick splats.

Prambo Sun 15-Sep-13 11:42:59

One of the tips if you do decide to fuck off to Mauritius for that second trimester break (you know, 'cos we're all drowning in cash at this point, right?):

'Peel fruit or wash fruit and vegetables with bottled water.'

Who wrote this nonsense? Pippa 'I Look Transgender' Middleton?

Coolhand Sun 15-Sep-13 11:50:57

Pram you make me laugh so much. I'm bypassing the pregnancy app thing this time as half the time they really are full of crap, clearly just trying to fill the days up!

Pram, literally doubled up with laughter. Thank goodness for my pelvic floor grin

greymoose Sun 15-Sep-13 11:54:04

for my exotic second trimester break i am having a trip to toby carvery to sample the local delicacies. ciao air kisses dahling!

Imeg Sun 15-Sep-13 11:57:45

I'm nearly 16 weeks and haven't felt anything, but this is the first time for me so I believe it's not suprising not to feel anything until later. I feel a lot more energetic now, and I don't really have a proper bump, so I'm still not convinced it isn't a mistake and some sort of chronic food poisoning is making me throw up! I'm sure feeling it wriggle will help to convince me.

Our cat has been more cuddly recently I think - whether it's something subtle like he can smell the pregnancy hormones, or something more straightforward like I'm a bit warmer than normal and he likes a warm lap, there is something very soothing about it. Although he does have an unfortunate habit of lying by the toilet, and I'm sure I'll puke on him one of these days!!

The house hunting sounds really stressful Pram - is there a friend who might be willing to come with you to look at houses?

Imeg Sun 15-Sep-13 12:01:11

PS in terms of parental support, my parents moved around the world a lot when my sister and I were young, I moved from the UK when I was 3 months, and my sister when she was 2 months. So my mum can't have had much physical support from relatives, and I think we've turned out ok. And in those days of course there was no email and international phone calls were only for emergencies, birthdays and Christmas, so phone support wasn't an option either.

I can beat that, Grey. We're off to Pizza Hut for lunch. Sophistication is my middle name grin

greymoose Sun 15-Sep-13 12:17:02

lyra now I want pizza again hmm

For the other first timers out there I've got a great book out of the library called First Time Parent by Lucy Atkins. It's fab grin. Not at all preachy about "do this do that" and lots of handy advice, include a picture guide on how to change a nappy, how to latch a baby on to the breast, etc for numpties like me grin

Best bit of advice - "You may be bonkers, but you're not stupid. So trust yourself; though sleep deprived and covered in baby sick, in your baby's eyes at least, you are the only expert that matters."

MummyPig24 Sun 15-Sep-13 13:30:48

I want Pizza Hut! <wails>

wonder there's quite a few of us going for number 3 or more, we must all be crazy!

faithfulandtruthful Sun 15-Sep-13 14:36:12

Hello all,

I am 15 weeks tomorrow with my first but I am fairly certain as of last night I can feel my baby. It feels like someone lightly drumming their fingers from the inside of your tummy. It is different from wind, that feels more bubbly. Baby flutters tend to just happen in one place for a while, then stop. My MW was certain I would be able to feel something, I am so skinny, maybe that's why?

I still have 0 bump. Maternity clothes are rubbish, I am in total denial I am ever going to need them!! Which is fairly easy when you don't have a bump. I feel for you ladies who have dress up for work, I'm so lucky I don't.

OH and I have won some baby clothes on eBay so we are going to pick them up this afternoon. £15 for a bundle of 60 items some new some used newborn sized.

NoMaybe I think it was you a couple of pages back, sorry if it wasn't... What Hypnobirthing are you doing? I am planning to but I haven't booked anything yet.


How exciting F&T! I could've sworn I felt baby move last night. It felt exactly as you described it. Definitely different to wind. If I didn't concentrate, I'd miss it! My MW friend says is possible to feel it now, most first timers don't know what they're looking out for, so often dismiss it as wind.

It was indeed me hypnobirthing. I'm doing this one. I'm really excited about it. Am wondering if I can hypnotise my way out of the hyperemesis wink

Prambo Sun 15-Sep-13 15:21:36

My friend has rung to say she is on her way with "loads & loads of baby stuff: buggy, car seat, clothes, bath seat, a mobile designed by an Austrian psychologist which cost £150 and I've never used. There is too much to bring in my Range Rover today so I will make a second trip at the end of the week. I won't take a penny for any of it." Brilliant, right? Well, yes...except she is bringing with her a man who is her new best friend and was my drug dealer until I went into rehab. The dealer is coming along for the ride. Gulp. When I told th'usband who's coming he said, 'isn't that the bloke who used to take you dogging and fishing [not in that order]?' Erm..yes, it is.....

Mummypig, I'm in Mothercare and they have the Orb discounted to £300 in all three colours till October 9th. I'm definitely going to order one.

MummyPig24 Sun 15-Sep-13 17:44:15

Can you put a deposit down and do the payment plan thing that mothercare do Lyra?

pram what a great offer from your friend, not so good that she is dating your ex drug dealer/dogger mate!

SoSurprised Sun 15-Sep-13 17:53:01

Prambo you are so funny. That's exactly what I thought when I read that. As if we can just swan off for a holiday.

Imeg I am 16 weeks too haven't felt anything either also Dc1
I am not expecting to feel anything till the 20-21 week mark

Yep, that's my plan, Mummy. It would be delivered nearer my due date. Just need DP to come up with the deposit money.

Pram, how did the visit go? I imagine it must be strange to see him again and uncomfortable for your OH but prob worth it for all the free stuff.

MummyPig24 Sun 15-Sep-13 17:54:47

How much is the deposit?

I don't know. Surely can't be more than 25%.

Just looked at the Babyplan leaflet and the deposit is 10%, so only £30!

Prambo Sun 15-Sep-13 18:14:52

Wow. My house is full of baby stuff. I am actually overwhelmed by it all and don't know how half of the stuff works. Buggy, car seat, moses basket and more clothes to follow at the end of the week. There are umpteen sleep suits(?) here for going outdoors (like heavy duty padded things) and all have tags still on. One of them is Ted Baker hmm

They stayed for three hours shock I was dreading the dealer telling grim tales of my licentiousness but he was off his head on 'phet and pretty much talking nonsense so I survived. Th'usband spent the whole time playing with my friend's 18 month-old boy so was otherwise engaged. I'm so happy my old life is gone for good smile

Excellent, Prambo. What kind of buggy is it?

Rockchick1984 Sun 15-Sep-13 18:30:55

Pram that's fantastic! You must be made up, that will have saved you an absolute fortune! How weird though to see your old dealer so near to your 3 year sober-versary. Just shows how far you've turned your life around!

Anyone looking to buy from mothercare, their baby plan is brilliant - they also price match for pretty much anywhere other than eBay and amazon so unless you're buying their own brand stuff make sure to shop around for the best price smile

That's amazing Pram! You have done so well to move on from all that. You're going to have so much fun sorting through it all!

Rock we are looking at the mothercare plan. The nursery furniture is all on special off too at the moment. And with only a 10% deposit, it's such a good idea!!

Prambo Sun 15-Sep-13 18:53:22

Dunno, Lyra, the buggy comes at the end of the week when she returns with all the other stuff she couldn't fit in her car. She said it's wicker hmm Don't like the sound of that, do you? Never heard of a wicker buggy. She's absolutely loaded and only ever buys the best stuff so I can't see it being shit. What do you think?

Rockchick1984 Sun 15-Sep-13 18:56:27

Pram the only wicker buggies I've ever seen are classic bouncy prams like this which are fab for a little squishy baby (especially if you walk everywhere - not too good on public transport) but not too good once baby is sitting up.

Wicker sounds weird but if it's like the pics in the link, bloody lovely. And if it's not great for older babies, you can get a lightweight buggy as and when you need it. So, so lucky, Prambo gringrin

greymoose Sun 15-Sep-13 20:11:06

Does anyone know if the babyplan thingy is only for mothercare brand stuff? Can't find too many specifics on it online ! It'd mean a warranty doesn't start til it gets delivered I'm guessing? Xx

faithfulandtruthful Sun 15-Sep-13 20:16:46

NoMaybe The course I want to do is Natal Hypnotherapy and they have a overcoming morning sickness book and CD. Maybe that might help?

I must book my course, when did the hypnobirth place suggest you start the course?


Grey, it's for anything Mothercare sells, not just own brand stuff. You have to spend a minimum of £100 and they will price-match anything you buy on the day. Then you can add to/change your order any time up to 28 days before delivery. Balance has to be paid by 10 days before delivery. Sounds like a good plan to me.

That looks amazing F&T, thank you for the link!

My lady said it depends how you're feeling about the prospect of the birth, I feel quite calm about it, so she has recommend I start in January, and to book in after my 20 week scan x

greymoose Sun 15-Sep-13 21:01:55

Ooh amazing thanks lyra!

I'm feeling really greasy today for some reason - kind of like af sort of clammy, vile!

faithfulandtruthful Sun 15-Sep-13 21:04:10

No maybe I expect you might get it cheaper on ebay or amazon. Be interesting to know if it does help. I have been totally jammy and other than a little nausea I have been fine but a friend of mine suffered quite badly so I feel for you.

I have contacted my nearest class so eagerly await the response. All thanks to your post about it!


IceNoSlice Sun 15-Sep-13 22:11:22

Oh dear, I'm snotty mcsnot snot tonight sad

What makes it worse - so is DS (aged 13 mo). Not much sleep for me, I think!

Prambo Sun 15-Sep-13 23:01:12

Those wicker prams look shit. I'm not Mary Poppins <ingrate>

Rockchick1984 Sun 15-Sep-13 23:06:29

DH felt baby movement!!! I've been having flutters for a few weeks now (am 16+1 today) and was having fairly noticeable movements. Told DH and he put his hand on my belly as he usually does, but for the first time he could feel it!! All starting to feel real now, I'm so excited!! Oh, and bought a better Doppler on amazon (the one you're using in the video Grey) as mine is a bit shit smile

AbiBub Sun 15-Sep-13 23:09:44

Oh no ice hope you and LO feel better pronto!

pram thats great that it all worked out ok and you've got some good stuff there too! That bit about the holidays did make me laugh!

Hope everyone's feeling ok! ?

Ive got my 12week combined scan tomorrow! ! Really looking forward to seeing little bean again! Anyone else scanning tomorrow? :0)

AbiBub Sun 15-Sep-13 23:11:43

Yayh! Fabby stuff rock that's great that both of you can feel movements now! :0)

Happyhoppy Sun 15-Sep-13 23:18:42

abibub I've got my scan tomorrow too. Excited but nervous! Hope all goes well for you.

AbiBub Sun 15-Sep-13 23:28:44

Ahhh fabby glad that someone else is being scaned tomorrow as well! I hope all goes well with yours too happyhoppy :0)

RaspberrysAndIcecream Mon 16-Sep-13 06:14:39

Good luck Abi and Happy with ur scans today.

I'm telling the boys that I look after about the baby today - I'm not sure how they're going to react!! Their dad thinks that they'll be excited and their mum thinks that the little one will think its going to be his brother!! Lol!!

Have a good Monday everyone, I'm struggling to get out of bed. The weather is shit and cold!!!

SoSurprised Mon 16-Sep-13 06:29:10

Good luck with the scans Abi and happy.

I hear ya raspberry, took me ages to get out of bed today

MummyPig24 Mon 16-Sep-13 07:02:30

Morning everyone. Good luck for the scans today!

I've got a massive spot erupting on my chin and it fucking hurts. Lying in bed listening to the kids singing "spongebob square poo". Delightful.

x0gawjus0x Mon 16-Sep-13 07:07:47

Good luck on scans today ladies :-) hope everyones doing well! Seems to be going sooo slow sad

Keep getting pains in my sides and also in my foof when i really need a wee :-(

Those of you who can feel movement are so lucky must be really reassuring for you! 16 wks tomorrow and i felt nada sad xx

x0gawjus0x Mon 16-Sep-13 07:09:04

Ooft mummy spot squeezing is such an addictive pain!!

Morning all, good luck for today's scanees!

Can't quite believe I'm 16w tomorrow shock Seeing the midwife on Thursday and hoping to hear the foal's heartbeat - not sure what fruit/veg we are this week wink

Quick question, I think I might be getting a touch of heartburn/acid indigestion after eating. Are those of you in the same boat using Gaviscon or is there something better out there? It's not really bad, but it's quite uncomfortable so I need to go out and get something today.

OwlinaTree Mon 16-Sep-13 07:40:15

I don't like gavascol, I just take the cheapo chalky fruit flavoured Morrison's ones and seem to work OK.

Rockchick1984 Mon 16-Sep-13 07:44:03

Frank if you can get to the dr they will prescribe enormous bottles of gaviscon so its free smile I couldn't stomach gaviscon last time so coped ok using Rennies, and vanilla ice cream which was probably the best thing! Oh, and 16 weeks is an avocado apparently smile

Good luck today Abi and Happy

BNmum Mon 16-Sep-13 07:56:03

Morning ladies, I'm so envy of all the movement talk.

Result on all the freebie stuff prambo and congratulations on overcoming your fear and facing your ex-dealer, that was a huge deal!

Has anyone bought any nice maternity skinny jeans/jeggings? I must order some this week, pjs and tracky bums just aren't suitable for public appearances.

BNmum Mon 16-Sep-13 07:56:28

Good luck for all the scans today too!

commsgirl Mon 16-Sep-13 08:08:46

Good luck to today's scanees!

BN I've got some H&M over bump ones which fit quite nicely and are pretty comfy. I didn't like the New Look ones but I think some others on here have had more luck with them! Want to try the Gap ones.

I felt movement yesterday too smile. So exciting!

lumpylumps Mon 16-Sep-13 08:33:34

I'm on the gaviscon. Luckily I love it, a highlight of pregnancy. Which is a good thing really seeing as though I suffer really badly with heartburn!! It might be worth checking what the others say cos some say they shouldn't be used during pregnancy. No idea why.

Good luck scanees, will we get our twins today??

rockchick that's lovely. I think it helps them when they can feel it too, makes it more real for them. Dh is useless, he never feels it till around 25 weeks!!

I lived on Gaviscon throughout the second half of both previous pregnancies. I couldn't sleep without it. I had heartburn in bed last night so looks like its started already. Great.

I think my baby is a large Cadburys Fruit and Nut this week. At a guess.

DP is coming home today and I can't wait grin

BNmum Mon 16-Sep-13 09:43:28

Thanks comms, the H & M catalogue came through the door this morning so i've just had a look. They look nice but i have to have under the bump, i cant cope with overbump ones. I'll check out the gap ones, thanks for the tip.

How long has dp been away for lyra, do you have anything nice planned for your happy reunion?

Only two weeks but it feels like two months. I expect he'll be tired when he gets home after a day of travelling so nothing planned except big hugs and kisses smile

I bet you can't wait Lyra! Will he come bearing gifts?! wink

BN check out seraphine as well for jeans. Their under the bump ones are so comfy!

Good luck for the scans today! Are these our last two?

faithfulandtruthful Mon 16-Sep-13 09:56:14

Raspberries I am interested to hear how it goes, my boss is also pregnant so waiting for her to tell the kids about their baby bro/sis first before I tell them about my bump. I'd be interested to know how you tell them.

BNmum Why do you favour under bump maternity trousers, I'm a first timer so wondering which to get. What makes under more comfortable verses over?

When roughly should you OH start to be able to feel the baby move?


MummyPig24 Mon 16-Sep-13 10:01:42

I couldn't handle gaviscon. So I munched on rennies. I've been through one pack already as they seemed to help with nausea a little. I'm ok now though.

I favour over the bump jeans, I found under the bump just fell off my arse and I was forever pulling them up.

FoxMulder Mon 16-Sep-13 10:12:26

Morning all. Have lots to catch up on, not been on since Fri. Hope all is well?

I have rather gone off rennies since they made me throw up & I saw that my stomach contents consisted entirely of foam!!

Am loving my first pair of maternity jeans (under bump). Elastic top jeans are the way forward!

faithfulandtruthful Mon 16-Sep-13 10:14:14

Mummy that is what my boss said but I was curious to discover that BNmum favours the opposite, love a good counter position. I have no bump to pull maternity trousers over currently, so awaiting the arrival of bumpdom before venturing into the maternity section! My MW recons I'll get away with larger sized 'normal' clothes, I guess I'll have to wait and see!

Am thinking about venturing over to the facebook group, now I've heard the heart beat and can feel ot moving, seems more real.


MummyPig24 Mon 16-Sep-13 10:20:57

Me too f&t. I'm still in my regular clothes. I would like to actually look pregnant now rather than just fat! It's really hard to find skinny over the bump jeans though. I've just been looking online and most of the skinnies seem to be under the bump and I do like skinnies to wear with boots in winter.

I'm hoping so, Maybe winkgrin

I have a pair of over-bump leggings which fall down sometimes because my large bump is just not large enough yet. I did have some under-bump trousers last time and I found I was forever hoiking them up.

He'd better do Lyra grin

Mummy seraphine have some lovely skinny over the bump jeans. I'm planning on buying them when I have enough of a bump to hold them up grin

I love under the bump at the mo. I don't have much of a bump, but I could not stand anything around my waist.

greymoose Mon 16-Sep-13 10:36:24

Felt movement again this morning also! Only second time but took me a bit by surprise!

Also not in maternity yet but looking rather preggo all of a sudden, very noticeable now i think because I'm the runt of the litter. I think I'll go for over bump, no other reason than under bump just seem a little awkward haha!

Yay lyra wink!

Come on twins!

I'm in over the bump trousers/jeans. They're still a bit big for me at the moment but my god they are the comfiest things in the world grin

Thanks for the Gaviscon advice, I'll stop by the chemist at lunchtime and ask the pharmacists advice.

FoxMulder Mon 16-Sep-13 11:30:56

Pram You have GOT to tell me what fishing is? I'm assuming it's not the obvious?

FoxMulder Mon 16-Sep-13 11:41:09

Is anyone else getting a bit breathless, even when sitting down? I feel like there is pressure on my windpipe. It's not nice.

Also my nose is always bunged up! It makes going to sleep difficult.

Prambo Mon 16-Sep-13 11:46:05

MummyPig, I have bewailed the H&M maternity range, but their over-the-bump skinny jeans are a beautiful colour of denim. You just need to hoik 'em up a bit (and the cargo pants will not stay up).

Frankel, you won't find a better heartburn remedy on the market than Gaviscon. Who cares how it tastes? It's the racehorse's testicles wink

Good luck, scannees. Not sure why we're expecting twins on here; there's only 40 of us and 1-in-63 women will have twins.

Fox, ha! Yes, I meant normal pedestrian fishing! I used to competition fish all over Europe but gave it up when I discovered drugs in my early twenties. In more recent years I found that my dealer was an angler and so we used to get off our tits and poach fisheries at the dead of night. We made an absolute fortune.

Fox I'm exactly the same. Ive been breathless for weeks. And the stuffy nose is so irritating.

Is anyone else finding it increasingly harder to get comfy in bed?

Prambo I've said it before, and I'm saying it again. Please, please write a book of your life. Please grin

MTBMummy Mon 16-Sep-13 11:48:32

Morning all

Good luck to Abi and Happy for your scans today

I was proper posh yesterday and demanded DP take me to KFC for lunch - chicken fillets chips and gravy - lush!

We complete on our house on Friday, I'm so happy/terrified - we've rented for 10 years and can only just afford to buy so I have never been in this much debt (or this broke - having paid our full deposit now) but we spent the weekend, buying furniture for DD who has to move out of the cotbed, because we'll need to turn that back into a cot for flea - and while I know that'll be at least a year away, I'd rather do it now and make the move a big exciting thing for DD.

For those of you needing work clothes - check out

Isabella Oliver and skinny over bump I had a bit of a splurge - but it's all sale stuff so cheaper than I expected.

I'm feeling very heavy and slow. I usually bomb around at 100mph, now I'm so slow and close to waddling. It's waaaay to soon for that!

Apparently pregnancy hormones can make the nasal passages swell, which would explain the stuffy noses. And probably also accounts for why pregnant women are more likely to snore.

FoxMulder Mon 16-Sep-13 11:51:55

Hahahahaa! Pram you did just mean fishing! It was just when used in a sentence about a drug dealer taking you dogging I assumed it was something deviant grin

No Maybe Yes to not getting comfy in bed, but I think it's down to the stuffy nose/crushed windpipe/trapped gas at the minute.

MTB, I MUST have those jeans. I don't want to look or feel frumpy just because I'm pg and those would do nicely.

FoxMulder Mon 16-Sep-13 11:55:52

Lyra Yeah, I heard that about the stuffy noses and the hormones. What a weird symptom. Not sure what I'm supposed to do about it though. Normally I would snort some decongestant spray, but not allowed that anymore.

Prambo Mon 16-Sep-13 12:02:34

Fox, I knew what you meant; could've been a bizarre (and rather deviant) combo.

Marbie, there's not enough word processing ink in the world to cover the story of my bonkers life. And you know what? It would be so, so depressing to write it, you know?

Lyra, I am actually excited for your fella's return!

I have to go out in this devilishly stormy weather to catch a bus to go and renew my driving license in a nearby town. I am buoying myself by picturing the Greggs pasties I'll scoff when I'm there.

Rockchick1984 Mon 16-Sep-13 12:24:57

I love my H&M over-bump skinnies! Last pregnancy I had under bump as I think they look nicer when getting undressed grin but over bump are definitely more comfortable, and means I don't show builder's arse when I bend over!!

Bought myself this coat today, my maternity coat from last time doesn't have a hood and there's no way I'm going to try and push the pram and fight with a brolly! The toggles on it are fairly high up so will be able to shape it around the bump as I get bigger. I'm normally a size 10 so got a 14 and it should last til the end of pregnancy!

Lyra so glad DP is home tonight for you!

Faith I think some clothes are fine in larger sizes, but some things look better as actual maternity otherwise they can make you look fat all over rather than give you an obvious bump. I had some empire line tea dresses pre pregnancy last time which looked fab as tops right til the end last time, I got £2 vest tops from new look rather than maternity ones, but (for example) unless you gain a lot of weight then you will need maternity for your bottom half as normal jeans will just fall down smile

Thanks Rock and Pram. I'm busy making sure the house is immaculate for when he arrives.

I haven't had to worry about coats before as I had two summer babies so my bump was fairly small in winter. I'm going to try to find a second hand one I think.

I'm amazed that April are still on their first thread. Are there only three of them or something?

FoxMulder Mon 16-Sep-13 12:34:15

I know, I noticed that just before!

BNmum Mon 16-Sep-13 12:39:06

lazy snuggles with the dh sounds lovely lyra, enjoy!

I'm so pleased you said that nomaybe as I'd put a pair in my basket. I've was really pleased with the dresses and tops i got from there last time so thought the jeans should be equally as good. Have you got skinny or bootcut ones?

It's just down to personal preference faithful, I haven't got any great theory surrounding them just that I like my fat preggers belly to feel free grin. If anything I would imagine that over the belly would be more supportive when you are in the later stages, I just cant bring myself to wear them.

I've got straight leg ones at the moment BN, but I am getting me a pair of skinnies at pay day!! The delivery is super quick too!

MTBMummy Mon 16-Sep-13 12:50:41

Lyra enjoy the snuggles (and wasn't it you who asked about rimming? - enjoy that too wink )

PiratesMam Mon 16-Sep-13 12:59:08

<dabs eyes> DS started primary school today. I will post a pic of how lovely he looks in his school uniform on the FB group later. I am so proud of him, he was so excited but when we arrived got a bit shy. However once he was in the classroom he got going with an activity and was quite happy to say goodbye. I didn't expect to feel so emotional. DD (2) was so jealous!!

I am still retching but still not getting much in the way of movement. Nearly 16 weeks and want to start feeling it now because I'm getting a bit paranoid!

faithfulandtruthful Mon 16-Sep-13 12:59:23

Rock Thanks for the advice. I have lost over a stone in weight since the begining of pregnancy, so I am only just back onto my 'normal' sized clothes, I can't quite imagine ever needing anything to go over a bump!

BNmum I think I may also be a freedom to the bump person! However I may change my mind when I'm freezing cold over the winter.


FoxMulder Mon 16-Sep-13 13:10:36

F&T I've lost just under a stone, but somehow I have gained a massive bump anyway! confused

MTBMummy Mon 16-Sep-13 13:38:35

Woo Hoo! finally got a date for my 16 week check, I'll be 18 weeks - sigh..

Prambo Mon 16-Sep-13 14:14:05

<wipes Pirate's tears with Greggs pasty wrapper>

Fucking hell, I looked rough as a badger's arse in that photo booth. Why didn't I wear make-up and style my hair?? I looked like I was on Death Row sad £5 for passport photos. Robbing bastards.

I had three Greggs pasties and a banana milkshake doughnut, which is quite possibly the most delectable thing ever created.

Rock, I bought this coat last week and it's smashing. Wore my H&M skinny jeans today in the rain and what a fucking disaster. they are so long they trailed over my 4" ankle books and soaked up all the rainwater. I'm very unhappy about that 'cos I'm hardly a frigging dwarf. Bastard H&M.

MummyPig24 Mon 16-Sep-13 14:18:39

pram thanks for the tip about H&M jeans.

As for a maternity coat, well the one I have will have to do. Even if it won't do up in winter there's no way I can afford a new one.

I had a blocked nose last night and I'm worried that I'm going to get spd again as its getting uncomfortable to turn in bed. I really don't want it again!

BNmum Mon 16-Sep-13 14:21:05

You're in for a nice suprise faithful, carrying a baby is like you're walking round with a radiator strapped to your front.

Prambo Mon 16-Sep-13 14:21:58

Mummy, I couldn't have a afforded a new coat; mother came up trumps.

MummyPig24 Mon 16-Sep-13 14:24:04

That's nice of her pram. My dad bought me a coat last time I was pregnant and my nan got me a new one for Christmas 2 years ago. I still love the one I got for Christmas, it's bright blue! So I will just layer up and wear it open if I have to.

x0gawjus0x Mon 16-Sep-13 14:26:39

Just crazy to think in 4 weeks ill be half way through! Wonder how many girls v boys us marchers will have x

Happyhoppy Mon 16-Sep-13 14:32:43

Hello, thank you all for your good wishes. The scan went well, although baby didn't cooperate on positioning! We had to go for a walk and chocolate and back for a second go. Baby also stuck its tongue out - amazing! Due on 30 March as predicted - that's Mothering Sunday! Am feeling very relieved to have made it this far, and hope I can calm down and enjoy it properly from now on.

HotCrossPun Mon 16-Sep-13 14:38:12

What an amazing first Mothers day you and your baby will have if he/she arrives on their due date!

Glad to hear your scan went well Happyhoppy smile

I have a similar coat, Pram, but it's not maternity so may not do up in a couple of months' time.

I'm bloody knackered from all the housework I've been doing. Why do I always leave everything to the last second?

Congrats, Happy smile

Prambo Mon 16-Sep-13 14:50:42

Housework sucks cock.

Congrats, Happy.

HotCrossPun Mon 16-Sep-13 14:53:05

True dat Pramela

I can't move. I have so much work and housework to do and I've literally no motivation to get up off the couch.

Anybody near by fancy coming and doing my dishes? grin

lumpylumps Mon 16-Sep-13 15:01:07

You can use sinex (oxytetracyline) well, you could do 3 years ago according to the nhs pregnancy book I had back then!!

FoxMulder Mon 16-Sep-13 15:17:34

I put a load of washing on AND emptied a bin at the weekend. Domestic goddess, me.

Interesting on the sinex lumpy I will check that out. Actually now I think about it, I'm sure you can use Sterimar Nasal Spray because it's just salt water or something...

Brilliant news Happy!

MTBMummy Mon 16-Sep-13 15:22:42

Great New Happy - I'm expecting to still be waiting for flea to arrive in early April if DD is anything to go by, she was due the 21st and didn't arrive until the 5th (and had to be dragged out kicking and screaming)

lumpylumps Mon 16-Sep-13 15:49:32

I'm a fan of under bump clothes. Anything over bump just feels too tight and uncomfortable!! Even if it's not.

I'm after a coat too. Hoping that some kind relli will treat me!

lumpylumps Mon 16-Sep-13 15:53:52

Oops, wrong name, it's oxymetazoline not oxytetracyline!!!

MummyPig24 Mon 16-Sep-13 15:55:07

Great news about your scan happy!

I'm probably crazy actually hoping for a late baby. Dd was 6 days late, and because this one is due on her birthday I'm hoping to go at least a day over. I was truly fed up by 38 weeks though so I know I will feel the same but I don't want to miss dds birthday.

lumpylumps Mon 16-Sep-13 15:55:43

Ok and looks like you can't use it!! Ignore me and my waffle!!!

Beccadugs Mon 16-Sep-13 16:06:57

Hi all,

Haven't posted for ages, but following along (just about!).

We've had a very sick dog, now fully recovered, with diahorrea everywhere. Poor DH had to deal with everything, as the smell made me sick!

Pram, very jealous of all your freebies! And impressed with your demon facing abilities. Also, my DH says I look like a serial killer due to no makeup on my passport pic, pity it's also in my driving licence and work ID!

Mummy, a friend of ours had their second DC on their firsts birthday. She managed to do birthday breakfast and presents then popped to hospital. She's abut sickeningly perfect like that though!

16 weeks tomorrow and still feeling really sick. Can't get by without the drugs (tried at the weekend) and starting to worry about the effect on the baby.

Still no bump here, just can't fit into my clothes!!

BakingEating Mon 16-Sep-13 16:24:22

Hello, first day back at work today after 2 weeks off and I felt like a right old frump. My tits look like torpedoes and are huge, so none of my dresses or shirts fit. Consequently I'm wearing baggy tops with baggy skirts.

Pram my dh says that wicker always reminds him of the wicker man, so a wicker pram would be off the menu even if it wasn't a bit Mary Poppins.

On heartburn, I've had it since 10 weeks and the gaviscon liquid works best, along with early dinners, milk and no potatoes or potato based food. hmm

BadlyWrittenPoem Mon 16-Sep-13 17:00:41

Hello, can I join please? I'm currently 14 weeks into my sixth pregnancy expecting what will hopefully be our third child.

Becca and Pram, DP had a lovely pic taken for his passport renewal but they rejected that one and the one after. The only one they accepted was the one that looks like a mugshot grin

Welcome Badlywrittenpoem smile I'm having my third too.

BadlyWrittenPoem Mon 16-Sep-13 17:04:22

Beccadugs, I don't know which medication you are on but I know loads of people who have had loads of anti-emetics right up to birth and I personally have taken loads of different ones. Also, you might find the Pregnancy Sickness Support Trust useful - it has loads of infromation about things like treatment and there is also a forum: http://www.pregnancysicknesssupport.org.uk/

Beccadugs Mon 16-Sep-13 17:49:29

Hi and welcome badlywritten!

Thanks for the advice! I have already contacted them, and they have been great, just worried really!

Welcome Badly!

Becca I'm feeling your pain. I'm trying s hard not to take my meds. Which I can just about too providing I rest all the time. There's no way I could go back to work like this, I salute you for working x sooty about the pup, it's horrible when they're ill.

I'm loving that coat Pram

Prambo Mon 16-Sep-13 17:55:47

Of course you can join our group
Do you prefer pasties or soup?
Everyone here is dead nice
Except I can be a bit of a twat.

Welcome, BadlyWrittenPoem.

BadlyWrittenPoem Mon 16-Sep-13 18:34:12

Thanks for the welcome.

I think I probably prefer soup to pasties.

Prambo Mon 16-Sep-13 18:49:59


Favourite pasty flavour Pram? I'm torn between cheese and onion or corned beef <dribbles>

MummyPig24 Mon 16-Sep-13 19:00:29

Welcome badly!

I'm staaaaarving. I've been hungry all day, and we have no food and no money. Till tomorrow when good old tax credits give me some dosh and I can go food shopping.

Beccadugs Mon 16-Sep-13 19:05:45

Where can I get a corned beef pasty?! I must know.

IceNoSlice Mon 16-Sep-13 19:33:20

OFFS you are all making me crave naughty food again. I even want a banana milkshake donut and I can't stand banana flavouring.

(The answer is 1) Sausage, cheese and bean with 2) Chicken bake/chicken and mushroom as a second.)

Welcome Badly and nice poem there Pram. Very badly written. Nice.

lumpylumps Mon 16-Sep-13 19:34:49

pram that made me lol!!!!

I'm having a baby. It's inside me. I feel it. I've seen it. I've heard it. So why don't I believe it?? I'm such a pessimist and am still convinced it's not going to happen.

Lamb and mint pasty!

Sorry, forgive my manners - welcome to the mad house Badly.

Becca you get them in good old Asda

Beccadugs Mon 16-Sep-13 19:44:20

Thanks Frank!

frantically googles nearest 24hr Asda

Err, apparently Iceland also sell frozen corned beef pasties - made by Greggs! grin

apprenticemamma Mon 16-Sep-13 19:49:54

Marking my place. Am now devoting the next half hour to catching up...will be back with some inane responses later!

Prambo Mon 16-Sep-13 20:01:53

Frankel, I haven't ventured outside of the sphere of Greggs pasties and so I can only tell you that my two favourites are sausage & bean and steak bake. Even the threat of my entire family being slaughtered by a Mexican drug cartel could not force me to choose between the two.

Lumpy, lamb & mint pasty sounds like the vilest of hairy cock suckage.

Th'usband is cooking liver. Again. Why must I suffer for his predilection for offal that looks like bloodied faeces? sad

Prambo Mon 16-Sep-13 20:03:52

...speaking of blood-infused stools there was a facebook status on my newsfeed yesterday from some woman bragging that she had just eaten a whole black pudding to herself. Fucking filf.

IceNoSlice Mon 16-Sep-13 20:14:20

I like a slice of black pud with my fry up but <boak> at eating a whole one

PainAuxRaisins Mon 16-Sep-13 20:34:38

The combination of the words 'offal', 'stools' and 'black pudding' in the last few posts is making me gag. Still not quite out of the MS yet it appears. Nice to see there is another newcomer to the thread who's mad enough to consider a 3rd child - welcome badly!

PainAuxRaisins Mon 16-Sep-13 20:37:31

Just watching some amazing baby-related gadgets on channel 4 at the mo (that gadget show with Richard Ayoade (sp?). I need the bike that converts into pushchair!!!

apprenticemamma Mon 16-Sep-13 20:39:32

black pudding = totes wrong. My Greek MIL made us a mahoosive tray of moussaka, my fave dish atm . Just been watching Jamie Oliver and (in spite of his obnoxious, detached from reality views ...home cooking every night..I think not etc) that salmon filo pie was bloody gorgeous. re baby denial yes me too I think me and dh are totes in denial we are very far of thinking thru practicalities. I need to sort mat b form and apparently even register puffins nursery place asap. Argh. Think I'm just going to slink under my duvet and face it all tomorrow. .

apprenticemamma Mon 16-Sep-13 20:44:06

prambo me too. Esp loving the rocking cot the daddle and the why cry gizmo. But Wtf! am so deeply deeply disturbed by the robot babysitter..creep s me out and makes me kinda sad. My own recommended gizmo is Ewan the Dream Sheep... think it's on Amazon. Ds swore by it to get him to sleep x

Prambo Mon 16-Sep-13 20:47:39

Apprentice, you've got me and PainfulTits mixed up. She's the nice lady and I'm the mouthy whore.

faithfulandtruthful Mon 16-Sep-13 20:51:43

BNmumI look forward to experiencing this heat of which you speak I have always felt the cold and more so since being preggers!


Prambo Mon 16-Sep-13 20:55:02

F&T, get your arse on the Martians facebook group <bossy>

Prambo Mon 16-Sep-13 20:56:11

Jolls, where are you? Are you alright? I passed the Hollands pies factory in Baxenden today on the bus and thought of you. I am worried there's summat up..

apprenticemamma Mon 16-Sep-13 21:00:18

thanks prambo . Not functioning too well today..might go to bed. Btw I also thought fishing was a euphemism btwwink

Cheese and onion rolls are better than the pasties. No potato taking up valuable space. Must try this sausage and bean combo.

PainAuxRaisins Mon 16-Sep-13 21:07:29

Can somebody rich buy me one of these please:

And this thing is hilarious: http://www.mommysentials.com/item_10/The-BabyKeeper-Basic.htm

And I could've done with one of these for DD1 but I think I can probably live without it now:

What will they think of next? Anything to get a few extra quid out of us.

Wonder77 Mon 16-Sep-13 21:32:56

I like a veggie pastie with thick thick pastry. Really I'd eat the pastry on its own- fillings are for show ;)

Wonder77 Mon 16-Sep-13 21:35:26

But a crisp sandwich beats a pasty hands-down...... I'm hungry now

Happyhoppy Mon 16-Sep-13 22:01:49

F&T I'm always cold too and also want to know when we get to heat up! I mentioned it and the midwife checked thyroid function but it's apparently normal.

Those who have been successful getting maternity jeans that fit: I've just received some Gap jeans in the post, but they definitely slip down and would need hiking up every couple of minutes - i'm sending them back as that would be very annoyng. I haven't got a bump yet- is that just how it is until there's something more to hold the up, or do I just need to keep trying other shops/styles/sizes? Otherwise they were very comfy and soft.

Prambo Mon 16-Sep-13 22:16:40

Happy, if they need hoiking up over the arse now they will always need hoiking up (unless we grow gargantuan fat bottoms). With the H&M skinnies I found I had to buy a bigger size as the legs were so..well..skinny. This means I now have to hoik the arse and bump band up continually and it really gets on my nerves <understatement>

I am having constant rumbly stretching pains in my womb area and throbby stabs in my cervix, deep within. What's all that twattery about, pliz?

Lambchop14 Mon 16-Sep-13 22:19:18

I also need a winter coat as its my first. Where go you all recommend?

Lumpy less of the lamb pasties please! Lol

Lambchop14 Mon 16-Sep-13 22:20:04

* do not go

Prambo Mon 16-Sep-13 22:27:21

Lumpy, how much cash have you got? This Esprit coat is fabulous.

Prambo Mon 16-Sep-13 22:35:45
faithfulandtruthful Mon 16-Sep-13 22:37:39

Happy no thyroid problems here, however I do have M.E. but even colder than normal (for me). I have many down jackets thanks to OH working for a clothing company and getting very good discount.

I also need to get a winter coat, hoping to combine it afterwards being a babywearing coat. So needs to be practical and water proof.


OwlinaTree Mon 16-Sep-13 22:37:52

prambo I've been having those stretching pains too, v much yesterday, not so much today.

Welcome badlywritten I'm having baby number 2, my little rainbow.

I can't believe there is such a thing as a banana milkshake flavour donut!! I must have one, I have been craving artificial banana flavourings in this pg. Are they from Gregg's?

Prambo Mon 16-Sep-13 22:47:36

Owlowcanyougo? I'm actually having 'bearing down' feelings in my cervix; I'm really 'aware' of everything down there, IYKWIM?

Them there doughnuts are incalculably delish. I'm not a banana lover but these bad boys are oozing that artificial bananery taste. Bleddy yum! Yes..from Greggs <bows down in reverence>

Prambo Mon 16-Sep-13 22:48:19

Can we please have a debate surrounding use of the Americanism 'donut'? It's really upsetting me.

Prambo Mon 16-Sep-13 22:48:54

Coolhand, you can chair the debate, okay?

No need to a debate. It's quite simple.

It's doughnut, not donut. We are not Americans.


Definitely a doughnut. It's made of dough. Nuff said. I make an amazing MuffNut.

Jolleigh Mon 16-Sep-13 23:08:56

I'm alright Pram my dear. Just been laying low as having a bit of a hard time, mentally, physically, emotionally. Might have known you'd be the first to notice even though you've been away a bit yourself. Methinks one is a little softer than one may let on wink

I've had a problem today that I've never experienced before. I think I might be constipated blush With my stomach issues, I've only ever experienced the opposite, albeit I experience that much more frequently than most. I'm finding it very painful and not quite sure how to deal with it. I'm also getting womb stretchy pains and still getting the pain across the small of my back which I'm hoping to ask a midwife about soon. Feels like my arse is splitting in 2.

OH needed to 'unwind' again the other day and went out. I was horrendously emotional that day and while he was gone I cried so much I gave myself a migraine. I then proceeded to buy myself lots of new zombie books...I spent enough that I could have gone on a night out myself.

Welcome to the new ladies. I'm not normally so antisocial, just needed to take a step back.

Not a pasty girl myself. I bloody hate them in fact. Which is odd I admit, with me being such a pie freak.

I know I'm not feeling my best...did the big shop today and only realised when I was home that the only sweet stuff I bought was fruit confused

In other news, I did treat myself to a steak today. Rare. I refuse to overcook all my meat and figure once won't hurt. Was a beautiful rib eye, 10oz, and my mouth is still watering now.

Sorry to have worried anyone. I'm not used to feeling so low, and not used to the pains I've been having. I'll be ok though.

liberuna Mon 16-Sep-13 23:14:02

Is that another personal deviance Maybe ?

pram that jacket looks so cool! And will do for this winter and next,with weight being outside of ones body.

Welcome badly + happy

Yeah for those feeling movement Im just getting a lot of twangs and stabby feelings in pelvis area must remember to do those exercises

Prambo Tue 17-Sep-13 00:19:54

Lyra, I knew you wouldn't be fucked-about with Yank-speak.

Jolls, what can we do for you? I don't want to pry, but if you're simply fed-up to the back teeth of your fella not being who you want him to be you are doing the right thing by eating steak. There's nothing more supreme and a big juicy fuck-off rib-eye is so empowering. If you want to talk more privately you know where we are on facecrack. I've missed you on here.

Your pains are deffo related to everything being shoved out o' t'way for this growing baby. Doesn't make anything more pleasant, I know. Are you excited at all yet, Jolls, or are you like me: too fucking worn out mentally to know whether you're coming or going? Keep talking anyway, love; we're listening x

Prambo Tue 17-Sep-13 00:20:24

[waves to libdem]

So happy to have my beautiful man back grin

Sleep time. Night y'all (selected yank speak is permittedwink)

Prambo Tue 17-Sep-13 00:26:05

Jolls, my dad is paying for a hire car from Saturday for a week or two so I can view houses miles away. If you fancy a drive out for pie and chips and a natter: I'm your woman smile

Prambo Tue 17-Sep-13 00:27:30

Awww, Lyra smile He sounds awesome <Yankie drawl>

JK10 Tue 17-Sep-13 02:26:02

Anyone awake!!? My door bell been ringing its like 2.15am, do I answer!?!

JK10 Tue 17-Sep-13 02:53:51

I'm such a bloody wuss!! Took me 30 mins to decide to go check downstairs and open door!! Must of been kids! Little shits. Anyway I'm 10 pages behind!! So can't comment on elt as its been such a busy week, hope all okay and i hope to catch up soon. I think I have a uti, they asked me to redo a urine test about 2 weeks ago as showed abnormalities and I totally forgot, I remember when I'm on the sch run or somewhere totally inappropriate, I then get home and forget, so I must do it today. Anyway I hope puppies, dogs, pil, dp's are all okay and behaving, I'll catch up soon.

IceNoSlice Tue 17-Sep-13 06:04:49

Donut - meh. Can't stand the greasy rubbery things so have never put much thought into the spelling. Must have got 'donut' off of the Simpsons or summat. Isn't eating donuts in itself an Americanism? Shouldn't we be eating bread pudding, curd tarts or Eccles cakes if we're so British and patriotic? <prepares to be slammed down and told donuts were invented in Skegness>

Anyway, morning all. Brrrr. I'm also looking forward to feeling warmer due to pregnancy. Thank god for dressing gowns and slippers.

MummyPig24 Tue 17-Sep-13 06:49:34

Good morning. It's doughnut. I'm not a huge fan but I have the occasional doughnut. I had my very first sausage, cheese and bean thingy from greggs last week.

I'm so tired even though I went to bed super early and slept all night. I've got a busy day today. Housework whilst kids are at school, pick dd up at 12 and whizz to the supermarket, looking after a friends daughter from 1.30, dd has ballet at 2.15, picking up ds at 3.20, home again to make dinner and entertain children.

apprenticemamma Tue 17-Sep-13 07:04:37

Morning all. Damn I'm tired. I feel a sicky coming on (though sadly not today). Fantasising of lie ins. envy Argh right onwards and upwards. Doughnuts it is. Better with jam inside or fudge on top imho.

Whilst Greggs is certainly an excellent purveyor of cakes, pasties and sausage rolls, the most supreme cake available is made by a little bakery near my parents house. They make humongous cream slices that are twice the size of those sold in Greggs, and as they're made with mock cream rather than the fresh stuff, it's thicker and sweeter <drools> It is impossible to bite into one without squirting cream in every direction grin Bloody lovely - I'm off to visit my folks and the bakers in 2 weeks wink

I've been getting the stretchy pains too, but no sign of movement yet. I am finding I'm very sensitive to dehydration though. If I'm not knocking back water with alarming frequency I get headaches. Woke up with one ths morning and am on my 3rd glass of the day already!

Jolls sorry you are still having a rough time. Can you get out and about for some you time? I'm sure Pramela would be great company grin

IceNoSlice Tue 17-Sep-13 09:12:15

OMG I love my colleague. He's a cocky little shit most of the time (literally little, he's got small man syndrome) but... He just brought in a huge bag from Greggs. I just had a steak bake for breakfast. Amazing.

MummyPig24 Tue 17-Sep-13 09:15:34

Your colleague sounds great ice!!

Joll hope you are ok, come and talk to us if we can help.

I'm having an apple and a chocolate spread roll for breakfast. Not so healthy!

commsgirl Tue 17-Sep-13 09:19:41

Morning all! I've just spent ages catching up.

Jol I hope you're feeling better soon and remember we're all here for support. A steak was definitely the way to go!

It's definitely doughnut.

Lyra You must be so happy DP is home. Enjoy ;)

Hope everyone else is doing well, welcome to newbies!

FoxMulder Tue 17-Sep-13 09:24:48

Hi Jolls <waves> I'm so sorry to hear your fella is still being such a selfish dick head. He doesn't sound like he makes you very happy.

Oh Jolls I'm sorry to hear you're having a tough time. Constipation is so bloody depressing. But rare rib eye is the only way to go. I also refuse to cook my steak well done smile.

A MuffNut is mt version of a muffin crossed with a doughnut. Tasty bastards they are.

I'm going to have to come clean. I have only ever had a sausage roll from greggs. And that was about ten yers ago when I was job Manchester blush. But I bloody love a pasty. Who said lamb and mint? Cos you're my girl. There's a little bakery in Bude that so the best lamb and mint pasty. Oh, I miss food!

commsgirl Tue 17-Sep-13 09:35:30

Maybs I need this doughnut/muffin recipie right now!

FoxMulder Tue 17-Sep-13 09:45:21

I would love a medium rare steak. There's a pub near us that has the most amazing steak night. Oh God, I would love to go but I think I would feel too guilty. Will just have to wait 'till next year.

Can I ask you ladies who have other kids how you fed them at night when they were babies? Did you sit in bed and do it? If so, did you not fall asleep and drop them? Did you take them to a different room so you could sit in a chair and do it? If so, wasn't it freezing sitting in the living room in the middle of the night?

JK10 Tue 17-Sep-13 09:48:09

Yay! Finally caught up!

Joll And pram hope u okay.

lyra hope things sort out for you with your muppet of an xp, so pleased your DP is home to support u.

Welcome to the newbies and congratulations.

All those with kids just starting sch, I really hope they get on okay.

Thanks for letting is know about the sale on the mothercare prams, I'm going to go look on Sunday. The only thing I was a bit worried about is I've read in reviews that babies outgrow the orb real quick? I can't remember who it is that had gone to see them? What do u think on the size/space?

Really like some of the mat coat links too! I need to try start saving!

For those of u who don't like discussing kids! Look away now!! Okay so I really would like your opinions!! My dd was 2 in aug, I have her name down to start a pre sch but they won't take her until next sep (she will be 3) Ive put her name down to start at another nursery for 2 morns a week until she can go to the pre-sch, but am I being a horrible cruel mother considering the fact that I only do a bit of after sch childminding and some cleaning twice a week, so I don't actually need her to go! Thought I was doing the right thing to get her used to being apart from me and to give her some structure, as she is dc4 she knows what she wants!! But I'm now having second thoughts and maybe I'm just being mean!!?

What is a milkshake doughnut banana? A doughnut-banana milkshake flavour or a milkshake- banana doughnut flavour or a banana flavoured of doughnut and milkshake? confused

I need an eds diner peanut butter and banana milkshake now! I've never been to gregs, never have a Hollands? Let alone a pie sandwich? Totally strange! I cooked a pie for DP and shoved it in some bread for his dinner the other day! He was like WtF are u doin woman! I said trust me, it's meant to be the bees knees, he said it was totally wrong, bread was all soggy and i must have got it wrong as its just not normal!?!

IceNoSlice Tue 17-Sep-13 10:06:48

JK10 I'm chuckling at your DH's 'WTF?!' When you presented him with a pie sandwich! I can totally imagine the utter bewilderment it must have caused grin

Jolleigh Tue 17-Sep-13 10:22:30

Thanks everyone. It's genuinly not all about OH...he's been great in some ways, not so great in others. Just that one time I decided to resort to retail therapy.

I've been having a shite time at work...I've been working with a complete cow of a project manager in an attempt to develop myself and she's decided to use me as a fucking PA, basically all I'm doing is making her phone calls for her and she talks to me like shit if I don't do that ahead of my actual job. Well, she won't be doing it again. I've highlighted her piss poor management skills to our head of department and told him I want off. Which will majorly piss him off as he's been getting 2 people's worth of work out of me for months. There is nothing contractual saying I must to the ad hoc work, it was something I actively sought out.

On top of that, the pain really is bad. I'm definitely putting the majority down to constipation as I've had no urge to 'go' for days despite eating well. The stretching I can deal with!

I'm a bit excited Pram...I'm just normally one of those infuriatingly unfazable people who doesn't get down for very long. Just bounces back and gets on with it. But I've had a rough couple of weeks and am finding it hard to be my normal self.

On the plus side, I have my rescan today, so get to see Alien again...hopefully big enough to measure this time. smile

here you go Comms

JK I think it will be good for DD. you aren't being mean at all. I think it would be a massive jump straight into pre school otherwise plus you might get ten mins to put your feet up

I too have never had a pie sandwich. Though I think I could eat a pie right now....

Ah, good luck with the scan Joll. That will cheer you up smile. Have you tried fybogel for the constipation? That's whatnive been recommended if I ever need it

FoxMulder Tue 17-Sep-13 10:31:35

Work does suck. I've no major problems, but it's just the same shit different day. SO boring. Sitting at my desk for 9 hours a day...ugh!

MummyPig24 Tue 17-Sep-13 10:32:53

Fox I did find myself dropping off a few times. If you are breastfeeding then lying down is good if you are super tired because then if you fall asleep you won't drop the baby. I just tried to keep myself occupied with tv or a book whilst feeding to stop myself falling asleep.

JK I think it will be good for your dd to go to pre school for a few sessions to get her used to being independent before she starts at 3, otherwise it might take her a while to settle. Both my children have gone to pre school from 2 or 2.6 for 2 mornings and I'm a sahm. But we need time away from our children and they need time away from us.

MummyPig24 Tue 17-Sep-13 10:33:32

Joll hope the scan goes well, how exciting to see baby again!

Jolleigh Tue 17-Sep-13 10:36:03

I'm off to the shops to get hold of something like that after my scan NoMaybe . Are pregnant women allowed that one?

Definitely try a pie sandwich! Don't be tempted to use posh bread...warbies bread spread with Lurpack is the way to go. And don't put the whole pie on! your average pie will do you at least 2 butties grin

Yes Jolls it's safe in pregnancy, should sort you out in no time.

This buttie sounds intriguing.

FoxMulder Tue 17-Sep-13 10:39:27

Can you breastfeed lying down? I thought you had to hold the baby in a particular position to get it to latch? I've heard of people with bedside cots saying they do feed lying down, but I can't picture how it works.

I don't suppose I'd be able to have the TV on if DH is trying to sleep & I'm imagining it being too dark to read (have one of those bedside lights you can dim all the way down to nothing). Anyway, I always fall asleep watching TV or reading anyway! And my bed is ridiculously far from the ground. With a hard floor underneath! Hmmmmm, how am I going to do this.

mimili Tue 17-Sep-13 10:43:00

In a major grump today. I ache, I'm tired, I'm sick of dry retching, I cried a lot last night, I have really bad lower back pain. Basically I am feeling sorry for myself and want my mum! I'm going to be a mum how can I keep wanting my mum! I definately do not want to be at work...

No need to reply, I just needed to get that out of my system!! sad

Currently craving : Cheddar, and mugs of gravy (not together).

HotCrossPun Tue 17-Sep-13 10:48:21

Aw Mimili you poor thing. Can you get your doctor to sign you off for a few days? I escaped the sickness, I can imagine how draining it would be to be dry retching all the time.

JK10 grin Your DH's bemusement had me laughing all over my branflakes!

Joll The next time you have a day free get on the prune juice and have a good 'ole clean out!

Lyra Did your DP get back early this morning? Or is it today?

MummyPig24 Tue 17-Sep-13 10:51:53

Yes you can feed lying down. I found I got a lot of mixed advice like "tummy to tummy", "nose to nipple", "babies and mums have to learn how to breastfeed", "of course it's not something you learn it's a natural instinct", "we don't need any of this strictly come breastfeeding stuff!"

So it is totally individual and you will find out how it works for you best. Maybe you could get up out of bed to feed the baby if you think you really will fall asleep. But if you do fall asleep you won't be the first or last!!

HotCrossPun Tue 17-Sep-13 10:53:02

And Foxy have the bloody steak! You will be fine. I had a medium rare steak on my Birthday and I'm still in a good mood from it grin

Prambo Tue 17-Sep-13 11:02:28

Frankel, straight-up proper cream is bland and rubbish. Fake cream all the way here. What's that custardy stuff they put in vanilla slices that isn't actually custard? I like that, me. JK10, where the fuck have you been? Glad you're back. I laughed my head off at your banana/doughnut/milkshake confusion. Let me clarify: Greggs do a doughnut which is smothered in a thick, gloopy, primrose-yellow banana-flavoured icing which is topped with white chocolate curly shavings. Inside the doughnut is a sublime thick banana-flavoured fake cream. I'm not even a fan of bananas but this fucker made my fanny moist Frankel, your deranged grin emoticon at the end of your post to Jolls makes me think you believe I'd be excellent company for her winkgrin

Who had the steak bake for breakie? Lucky bitch. Go and suck that man off immediately. He deserves some lovin'.

I'm appalled someone's husband dissed a pie butty. Follow Joll's instructions carefully and that man will be licking you out for the next month.

Sorry for all the sexual references. There's a man across the street sand-blasting Beryl's house and he's making me sweat.

Jolleigh Tue 17-Sep-13 11:08:11

Is there a good enough zoom on your phone that you could provide us with perving material on FB Pram?

FoxMulder Tue 17-Sep-13 11:10:54

Thanks Mummy I was trying to explain bedside cots to my mum & she was saying she can't see the point because you have to pick the baby up to feed it anyway. I was hoping there was some lazy alternative smile

HotCross I know the steak would be fine, but it's that nagging thought that what if I was that one in a million who had a problem from it and I knew in advance the risk, it would be awful! I wish I just didn't know.

Prambo Tue 17-Sep-13 11:16:23

JK10, surely the early morning knocker was your sandwich-crazed MIL? Oh, and I ignored your advice and read your post about your little 'un. Yes, you are being an evil mother. I'm joking. I'd've palmed the little nipper off at three weeks...

Jolls, in this day and age you shouldn't be suffering like that with constipation. I've been wrestling a few behemoth turds mesel' of late and it ain't good. Get thee to a chemist. I'm sorry I assumed incorrectly about the source of your angst. I won't become one of those fiancé-bashers, I promise.

Fox, how come you're bemoaning your job? Don't you work in an office full of men with a vista of Dunstable-esque countryside? Tsk!

I've been on mumsnet long enough to know that breastfeeding lying down is a bloody art - and don't let anyone tell you different <gavel>

Lyra, you walking like John Wayne this morning? grin

Prambo Tue 17-Sep-13 11:20:44

I'm still agog at Pirate's beautiful tiled Edwardian path envy

FoxMulder Tue 17-Sep-13 11:27:16

Yes, full of men. No attractive men though. And I never really get to talk to anyone because I'm in my own office, so I get lonely sad. It's true, the vista is nice, but the window is behind me, so if I gaze at it it's pretty obvious I'm not working. And there's no staffroom or anything, so lunch has to be eaten at my lonely desk or outside in the rain. And I can't emphasise enough how mind-numbingly boring it is.

faithfulandtruthful Tue 17-Sep-13 11:34:39

JK I do not have any kids of my own but after a over a decade of childcare I feel I can comment. It will be good for your DD to 'get used' to preschool, it is not mean or selfish. She will benefit from being in a different environment, she will grown in confidence and become more independent, which can only be a good thing. If you are happy with the school then I am sure your DD will settle to it and enjoy her time there.

Fox have you seen the co sleeping cots/cribs which basically sit right next to your bed see here for examples. maybe they would make you feel a bit more confident about not dropping baby on the floor? I think that even in your zombified state your body tends to know what to do to keep your baby safe even whilst you nod off, it might never happen you might have one of those babies who sleeps very well only waking for short feeds, we can all dream!

In regards to 'Things you shouldn't eat whilst pregnant' I have eaten the following... medium rare stake (three or four times), rare duck, cheese with rind on it (goats cheese), pate (twice), under cooked eggs (some from unpasteurised eggs) and consumed vast quantities of herbal tea more than likely containing things I'm 'not supposed' to have. I have also eaten small quantities of wheat and dairy (which I shouldn't because I'm allergic). I have also had sips of wine, gin & tonic and cocktails, (but not a glass to myself). I figure we all survived back in the day when there weren't the current 'recommendations' why beat myself up over these things.


Jolleigh Tue 17-Sep-13 11:35:53

Feel your pain Fox - my offices used to be very similar. Luckily my employer is large enough that they did eventually build us something fantastic that's all open plan, decorative and has great facilities, even a room for pregnant and breastfeeding women (a bit telling, but as I trust you all, type '1 Angel Sq' into Google images). Is there nowhere scenic nearby that you can go and have a walk through on your lunch and a couple of intervals in the day? It's soul destroying staying in a room alone all day every day sad

Prambo Tue 17-Sep-13 11:38:10

Are you on shedloads of money, Foxtrot? If so, then I'll swap and you can come and sit on my settee all day with a view of Beryl's house, seeing no-one, doing nowt and not getting paid for it. Boring jobs are just awful, though, aren't they? You have my sympathy.

God bless the 35-stone female client who has gifted th'usband with a jar of her home made plum & walnut jam. He handed it over to me like it was a bomb and said 'I wouldn't eat that if I were you, she's fucking huge and her house is a right mess'. Of course I gave him a proper dressing-down for his fattist language and said she's probably grown so large from eating all her scrumptious jam and perhaps her house is a shithole 'cos she's so busy making the stuff to give away to ingrates like you. I've just tasted her jam and it is delicious. The best I've ever tasted, in fact. All hail morbidly obese jam-makers! smile

MTBMummy Tue 17-Sep-13 11:38:55

Fox I found with DD feeding her in bed with a BF cushion, meant I didn't drop her I I fell asleep. You'll develop different ways to feed as you go, I found sleeping on my side allowed DD to latch on and off (basically help herself) on the really bad nights when I just had to sleep.

JK don't think you're being mean, DD went a couple of mornings a week from 18 months and DP is a SAHP. As mummy says its good to have your own space and allows your dc to become more independent.

I'm really not a pasty girl, but pies! Lush... Definitely minted lamb or mutton curry (which I've not been able to get hold of in the UK)

I don have to also say I'm not a doughnut person either, but give me the plain glazed Krispy Kreme and I'll be your best mate for life. (I'm cheap me)

faithfulandtruthful Tue 17-Sep-13 11:39:54

Jolls After years on swinging from one side of toilet troubles to the other I can give the following advice about constipation.

Drink plenty but try to spread over the day and try not consume vast quantities at one point in the day and none in another. Water is obviously best but if you are more likely to drink more squash or fruit juice then drink that instead. Warm water is supposed to be the most beneficial but I'm not sure that Tea and coffee are particularly helpful (I don't know if they make problem worse?).

Eat plenty of fruit and vegetables, I try to have two portions of fruit at breakfast (quite often including fruit juice) and plenty of veg the rest of the day, it seems to keep things regular for me. I have heard (on here I think) that bananas can increase problems, so I have been avoiding (but this could be hearsay). Avoid processed food especially anything with white flour. Plenty of whole grains required!! Fruit such as figs, prunes and dried fruit such as apricots and raisins are supposed to be particularly good for getting things going.

Try taking a warm bath this should help everything relax and soften and help get things moving, if nothing else it will help ease the pain. You could also use a hot water bottle if bath is not an option. Walking is also supposed to be good for keeping things regular.

When you finally get the urge, go as soon as you can and try to relax as much as possible (not easy I know). Don't strain for too long, if nothing is happening get up off the loo and try again when the urge is stronger. Sitting on the toilet straining with nothing happening is a one way street to piles (Piles is the reason I never forget to eat fruit in the morning!).
If you start to go and don't seem to be getting anywhere sometimes its better to relax rather than strain, feels wrong but sometimes it works. Also someone mentioned on here (sorry cant remember who) Vaseline on ones exit makes things a bit more comfortable, but I have not tried this one myself. Hope that the issue resolves itself soon.


Prambo Tue 17-Sep-13 11:41:31

I hate the word 'gifted'.

F&T, proper little rebel aren't we? I like the sound of you. Get your behind on faceache, missus, we want to see you! smile

Prambo Tue 17-Sep-13 11:43:06

MTB, if you have a penchant for Krispy Kremes then you are certainly not 'cheap'.

MTBMummy Tue 17-Sep-13 11:43:29

jols ps - yes to fybrogel, it's a life saver - tastes vile an has an awful texture, but god does it work!

Was doubled over in pain two weeks ago, and I still get it I I forget to take my fybrogel

Prambo Tue 17-Sep-13 11:44:57

Can we have Vaseline On One's Exit in the next thread title? Pleeeeease....?

faithfulandtruthful Tue 17-Sep-13 11:53:17

Just wanted to catch up first now time for a moan.

I found out last night that my boss has been blabbing about me being preggers. I have only told my family and her so far (when she told me the same news, thought it was only fair to reciprocate, needed to tell her at some point anyway!), so when I found out she had gone off and informed one of her friends (who also happens to be friends with me too) I was devastated. She knew I hand't told many people and that I wanted to keep it to myself as I informed her as much at the time.

My friends I've know for 10 years don't know yet and yet my boss thinks its ok to go around telling her mates about it. More than anything I was really looking forward to telling this particular friend and feel I have been robbed. Now wondering who else she has told, feel very uncomfortable to potentially be playground gossip.

I know some of you think I am too precious about it all but I really wanted to get used to the idea of impeding motherhood before sharing with the world. (outside of you lovely ladies that is) But I feel exposed and like my hand is being forced. I want to tell people when I am ready to when my boss decides to pass on the news.

Right Moan over normal service will now resume.

In other news, OH and I picked up eBay bargain newborn clothes which are perfect exactly what I wanted, now all I need is a few 0-3 clothes (in case I have a 10lber, which is totally possible) and long sleeved vests (cause I only have two). Also in other other news my husband is wonderful, had a crap day at work yesterday and he just ran around and did everything last night, so nice to chill knowing the washing up was being done.


FoxMulder Tue 17-Sep-13 11:55:09

Hi F&T yeah, I was keen on getting a bedside cot but my mum was putting me off saying that you had to get up to feed the baby anyway & that baby would grow out of it super quick. And she's breastfed 3 kids & I've done none, so I thought she might know what she was talking about. But maybe my dream of feeding an infant while still lying in bed is not dead afterall!

Jol annoying thing is, my office is a new build! It was purpose built, but they still didn't think to put in a staffroom. It's quite nice, and it is open plan for the majority of the peasants employees. I like having an office, it lets me mn all day long, but does get a bit lonely. Yes, there is plenty of scenic walking potential nearby - we're in the lake district so lots of nice mountains and rich peoples houses to gawp at.

Pram Does 16K count as shedloads? I will subcontract out to you, but if you don't mind I'll sit on my own sofa all day? I've got a new sofa coming next week! Whoo! My first new piece of furniture. It's a big moment smile.

Prambo Tue 17-Sep-13 11:57:29

F&T, we don't think you're precious at all and what your boss has done is despicable. The whole telling-people aspect of these pregnancies is to be treasured and you are right to feel robbed. I would certainly tell her to keep her trap shut. Here, have these: thanks

faithfulandtruthful Tue 17-Sep-13 12:00:44

Pram you'll be disappointed, my FB profile doesn't contain any photos of my face (I get the irony of that), you'd only be able to find out my RW name and what I get up to in my spare time. The latter I am happy to share with you. Suppose you'd also find out what my hubby looks like also, maybe. Don't really post much on my FB, more an aide to communication with the outside world.

I'd like to think of myself more as an extreamy rather than a rebel!

Still trying to make my mind up whether to join...? Boss away I am impervious grin


Prambo Tue 17-Sep-13 12:01:07

Aw, Foxy, I didn't mean to pry about your earnings of course I fucking did. Who am I kidding? What's your new sofa like? Any links we can drool over? My sofa is collapsed in the middle which is making getting out of it now I have a bump pretty arduous. What I want is a massive second-hand chintz thing with extra deep cushions to sit on. Might go and google....

FoxMulder Tue 17-Sep-13 12:02:39

Argh, F&T That is so not on of your boss! Really unprofessional! My boss told all my colleagues, but I think he was pushed into a corner because everyone was starting to guess as I was off work for so long. But it's totally different telling your friend!

greymoose Tue 17-Sep-13 12:02:40

jol one fibrogel tip, not sure if anyone's said, but get the orange flavoured one and mix it with orange juice or strong orange squash and just down it as soon as you mix it or it goes a bit weird, i found it tasted fine like this!

f&t message me your fb link and ill add you to the fb!

jol & pram if you hang out please tell us the tales of your debacles!

Prambo Tue 17-Sep-13 12:06:46

Jolls, I can't photograph the hottie as he is dressed like an astronaut with all the protective shit all around his head like a goldfish bowl. I caught him stripped-down having his elevenses, it would seem.

Sorry for all the cluster posts but I am bored. F&T, I have nothing to say about faceless facebookers.

greymoose Tue 17-Sep-13 12:07:26

oh and in house news we found a perfect house, but she won't even consider us because we're 'self employed' despite the fact our contracts are extremely secure and i imagine we are better suited financially to the property than those she will accept because they work for someone else, apparently she is a bit particular so its perhaps lucky she won't let us haha!

faithfulandtruthful Tue 17-Sep-13 12:07:28

Fox You can get (if you have the space in your bedroom that is) full sized cots which you can set at bed height, for co sleeping but then turn into a standard stand alone cot for when they are bigger. Like I say though it depends if you've got the space in your bedroom for a full sized cot! Also the MW should help you with establishing BF so if you say you want to try and feed lying down they should be able to help you with that. Hell, I'm going to give it a go, I'll be your lying down breast feeding buddy! My Mum gives me two weeks of co sleeping before our baby is in its own cot... I'm studiously ignoring her!


FoxMulder Tue 17-Sep-13 12:08:55

That's alright Pram I'll take any opportunity to complain about my wage smile

New sofa is a big corner sofa that I can lie down on! It is fabric and dark coloured (incase of baby puke). I could send you a link, but it looks shit on the website so I don't want to show it! It's not THE most glamorous sofa in the world, but we had to make a decision between looks and comfort. And it's a huge improvement on the current tiny one we got from freecycle many years ago (and was fit for the skip about a decade ago)

FoxMulder Tue 17-Sep-13 12:15:25

F&T it gets increasingly confusing! I've not seen a full-sized bedside cot. My DH reckons he can convert a normal one into a bedside, but I'm not sure I should trust him! We could probably get one in our room if we moved the bed around. Don't they prefer being in something small at first anyway, to feel all cocooned? I don't suppose you can know until they're here. Which makes buying in advance rather difficult.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Tue 17-Sep-13 12:16:53

Hi everyone. Just skim read the thread and I am really glad to hear about all of the great scan news and other lovely stuff that's been going on.
Life here hasn't been so rosy. I think I mentioned when I popped in last, forgive me if Ive already told the whole story that at my scan the babies nuchal measurement was high. Well Ive since had the results of the bloods back, and combined with my age and the measurement, I have a 1 in 5 risk for Down's, which is the highest risk given. We are off to London on Thursday for an amnio. I have never been so worried terrified in my life! But have managed to work through the initial panic into not thinking about it. Only tomorrow to get through now. I am hanging onto the fact that 1 in 5 still means that there is an 80% chance that everything is ok.

BNmum Tue 17-Sep-13 12:18:03

I hope you are feeling better jolls, try the fybogel then once you've cleaned your pipes out eat dried apricots on a regular basis (other dried fruit probs works just as well). My best friend is a consultant and she was always on at me during my last pregnancy to eat dried apricots 'to stop my arse from falling out'. Apparently she was sick to death of looking at prolapsed arses of pregnant women shock. I didn't argue and I'm happy to report my arse didn't fall out, I'd totally forgotten abut it all until I read your post so I'll have to pop to the shops this afternoon to stock up.

fox I sat up or lay down in bed, it was too cold to get out. I would eat if I felt tired and struggled to stay awake in the early days. Biscuits and malteasers can be eaten at any time of the day or night. Fact.

IceNoSlice Tue 17-Sep-13 12:21:01

I'm planning to hire a bed nest bedside cot thingy from the NCT. I was looking on eBay for them and they go for a lot of £ (unless you are v lucky, it is collection only and you live somewhere remote).

I BF DS in a rocking chair, and laid him in his cot after each feed. But sometimes he wouldn't settle when I put him down after a feed and I would be up for ages, knackered. So I'd take him into the spare bed. Because i didn't want him falling off or getting smothered by the duvet, I ended up putting him nearly in the middle of the bed and pulling the duvet to my side. During the night he seemed to wriggle closer and closer to me so I'd end up with a tiny bit of bed.

I'm hoping the bed nest would solve this as i could ease him/her back into his/her own little space. And I'd stay in the same room as DH.

faithfulandtruthful Tue 17-Sep-13 12:23:34

Pram there is a good reason behind it but just didn't want you to get your hopes up. Also if you were expecting bump photo's there are none for two reasons, no one knows I'm pregnant, so pretty sure it might be a give away but also I don't have a bump to photograph! Not complaining though as I can now well and truly feel the growing womb in my tummy (Plus baby flutters now and then), thinking I've not got long to wait now.

Fox There is no such thing as professional in my game! I'm one of the family not a professional, so I don't need to be treated as such hmm .

I don't think my boss likes that I am quite close to one of 'her' friends but I figured I am going to be long term friends with this person way after my job has finished and not to waste too much time worrying how it would make my boss feel (life is too short to miss out on a good friend), think it was a case of oneupmanship (ie. i know something about F&T you don't know type thing).

Sucks that your boss told everyone, did you know that they all knew or did you go round paranoid wondering who knew and who didn't? I know I'm going to stand in the playground on Wednesday wondering who knows. Stupid thing is I don't think I would have been half as upset if she had told anyone other that this one person (I think she knows it too, which is so hurtful, I thought I had left primary school behind me).


IceNoSlice Tue 17-Sep-13 12:26:06

Oh Saggy I'm sorry you are going through this flowers

All the best for Thursday x

faithfulandtruthful Tue 17-Sep-13 12:28:14

Saggy How scary for you. I will keep my fingers crossed that all goes well with the amnio. Makes me feel like an arse for getting upset about my stupid boss. Do let us know how it goes.


BNmum Tue 17-Sep-13 12:38:03

Sorry to hear that saggy, I hope it goes well on Thurs.

Jolleigh Tue 17-Sep-13 12:42:18

Sorry you're going through this Saggy sad x

MTBMummy Tue 17-Sep-13 12:48:59

Saggy - keeping fingers and toes crossed for you for Thursday

F&T my boss the same thing, but when I was only 6 weeks! I was fuming, I told him in confidence due to previous miscarriages, and he told my director and all my team - I was so close to walking out - but I need the maternity pay

Echoing the others' thoughts and keeping everything crossed that tomorrow goes well Saggy

Edamame Tue 17-Sep-13 13:11:49

Thinking of you Saggy. Presumably your husband/partner is going with you on Thursday? Wishing you all the best thanks

commsgirl Tue 17-Sep-13 13:12:45

Saggy I'm so sorry you're going through that. Like you said, the odds are still on your side. Will be thinking about you on Thursday.

commsgirl Tue 17-Sep-13 13:24:28

F&T How unprofessional of her, I'd be fuming!

Grey Such a shame about the house. I understand her not wanting to take the risk but if you've proven you're secure then I see no reason for her not to rent to you. We've just put a deposit down on our perfect house after finding three other 'perfect' ones and it not working out for one reason or another. You'll find one that's meant to be.

In puppy news, after giving us a massive fright the little terror is now on rest for the next couple of months until he's fully grown. The aim is to stop his condition degenerating any further which, if it works, will enable him to live a full and normal adult life. So much better than we initially thought. He's perfectly happy spending all his time relaxing on the sofa!

faithfulandtruthful Tue 17-Sep-13 13:29:12

MTB at six weeks only three people plus my useless locum GP knew when I was 6 weeks, I was so lucky not to have Morning sickness.


FoxMulder Tue 17-Sep-13 13:40:56

Sorry to hear your news Saggy but as you say, 80% chance of everything being fine. It's easier said than done, but it's true what they say about not worrying about the things you can't control.

Ice I was looking into renting a bednest from NCT too, but was a bit disappointed its £120!

F&T My boss told me when I came back that everyone knew. It was a bit of a weird situation though, because everyone knew they weren't supposed to know so no-one said anything to me for the first couple of weeks.

FoxMulder Tue 17-Sep-13 13:41:24

Good puppy news comms smile

BadlyWrittenPoem Tue 17-Sep-13 13:48:31

Thanks for the welcome everyone.

PainAuxRaisins, arguably I wasn't mad enough to consider a third child as this one was unexpected although I did intend on considering it in a few years time.

Prambo, thanks for the badly written poem - it was so badly done I didn't realise it was until someone else pointed it out!

BadlyWrittenPoem Tue 17-Sep-13 13:52:04

Jolleigh - if you see your GP you should be able to get something prescribed for contipation. I am on lactulose because it's a side effect of my medication.

RaspberrysAndIcecream Tue 17-Sep-13 13:54:07

F&T that's awful that ur boss told. Really shit. But sometimes they just don't think - my boss told her best mate - who I know, but in a way of I can't believe that someone other than raspberry is going to look after my children. The kids have only had me looking after them.

I told the kids yesterday, they are really excited. The older asked if it meant I was going to have a day off - I said maybe longer - he said like what, a week?!!! Bless him!! The younger one thinks its going to be his baby brother. (They've decided it's a boy!) so I had to gently explain it won't actually be his brother but he can pretend and he can give it cuddles like it would be!!!

Edamame Tue 17-Sep-13 13:54:17

It is good to see you are back, SilenceOfThePrams.

In honour of this thread, I have just eaten a Greggs sausage roll on the bus back from getting my hair cut. I would have got a pie as well but they label the calories on the price sticker (WTF???)

faithfulandtruthful Tue 17-Sep-13 13:56:25

Fox I have found the following resources for full sized co sleeping cots

Mothercare bedside cot currently out of stock but I have found them 2nd hand on eBay going for around the £100 mark

Turn you crib into a co sleeper You tube video of a lady in America (i think) demoing her bedside arrangements, plus loads of other photos.

And the coolest website ever Ikea Hackers How to turn an ikea SNIGLAR cot into a co sleeper. Maybe one for the Other half !! At £35 if it doesn't work out then no big loss?

Babies get used to where they sleep, I guess you could put a set of cot bumpers in and a canopy over the top to make it more enclosed my friends put a leaf canopy from ikea (£9)over their babies cot as the light shone straight down on the cot.

I am not paid to endorse Ikea BTW just turned into an ikea based post!


Prambo Tue 17-Sep-13 13:58:34

Saggy, I am sorry you have this anxiety. I hope it's the happiest news for you on Thursday thanks

What lovely news about your pup, Comms.

F&T, did you know that the world at large cannot access our Martians facebook group? So anything you post on there is only seen by us girls.

BNMum, your posts always make me chortle.

Sorry about the twatty landlady, Moosey. It wasn't the house for you smile

Right. I've had enough of the sand-blasting hottie now. The cats are terrified and my nerves are on edge. He's blasting the cracks between Beryl's flags now. I wonder if he'll jet wash my crack?

BadlyWrittenPoem Tue 17-Sep-13 14:00:58

Feeding the baby at night - my first I used to get up and feed her in a chair but she only needed it for a couple of months before she started sleeping through from the late evening feed. The one year old on the other hand I was feeding multiple times a night until she was almost one but we were co-sleeping so I just fed her in bed lying down which was much easier and less tiring - I don't think I could've coped with all that diturbance if I'd been getting up every time! A while ago I was reading some research about SIDS and the study had found that in some cases parents had fallen asleep with the baby on a chair or sofa by accident because they didn't dare take the baby into bed due to the perceived risks and IMO planned co-sleeping in bed with a sidecar cot is far safer than accidentally falling asleep with the baby in a chair. (I'm not advocating that everyone should cosleep, it's up to the individual to look into the risks and benefits of the options and choose what they are happiest with - I'm just explaining some of my reasoning for what I did.)

Prambo Tue 17-Sep-13 14:01:44

SilenceOfThePrams!! Fucking genius...

Prambo Tue 17-Sep-13 14:04:57

BadlyWrittenPoem (can I call you BWP?), you're welcome. In fact, if any of you girls need my poetry genius for your christening invites I would be honoured to oblige. BWP, can you tell me what you think was the reason why one of your babies slept through after the late feed and the other was a multiple feeder throughout the night? <shudders>

faithfulandtruthful Tue 17-Sep-13 14:05:24

Raspberry I find in our profession that bosses rarely do think. I find it strangely comforting that I am not the only one however.

Glad to hear your charges are totally excited, one week off, that would be hardcore!! I am awaiting the joy of conveying the news as my boss is also preggers she is just under 2 weeks ahead of me (must have been something in the air). she has not told the kids yet so I think its only right they find out they are having a baby brother or sister before they find out that I will be having an addition as well. This will also mean the end of me caring for the kids, as there is no way I would have four (3 plus my one) the logistics would be hellish! So its another part of the news to break at some stage. I will have been there 2 years in January.


faithfulandtruthful Tue 17-Sep-13 14:09:06

Yes I do Pram but my current non FB standing leaves my in my safe space... I'm such a wimp! Also goes against my only RW friends on facebook policy, I'm so complicated!


MTBMummy Tue 17-Sep-13 14:09:18

Complete tangent, but is anyone else really suffering a bad case of the horn?

I'm tired, fat and pukey, but feel like I'd have a go at anything right now blush

FoxMulder Tue 17-Sep-13 14:14:01

Once again, F&T you have shown me up with your thoughtful and well researched response smile. Thanks very much, I will check out your links properly. DH is very confident he could convert a cot, and he is pretty handy. He fitted our new kitchen last year.

Pram I am concerned for Beryl's flags! I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to jet wash flags, it makes the pointing come out. Let us know how he gets on with your crack grin

faithfulandtruthful Tue 17-Sep-13 14:14:45

Regarding Sleep I picked up The Baby Sleep System book from a charity shop. It was a good read concise and to the point. Maybe one to read Pram ?


FoxMulder Tue 17-Sep-13 14:16:25

Ah but F&T you don't actually have to be friends with any of us cyber weirdos to join the FB group <peer pressure>

MTB My sex drive has become entirely unpredictable since getting knocked up. The other day I woke up in the middle of the night for some. That has NEVER happened before (I like sleep).

Prambo Tue 17-Sep-13 14:20:15

Thanks, F&T, for the book recommendation.

Guess who's wangled another free scan on Thursday? I'll be 16+5 smile

FoxMulder Tue 17-Sep-13 14:21:24

How did you manage that? I would love another scan, I want to see it move!

Prambo! How?!

Saggy I will be thinking of you. Keeping everything crossed that everything is ok x

F&T your boss is totally out of order. And I would make your upset known.

MTB I too am horny as fuck, yet too sick to act on it. I woke up having an orgasm the other night. WTF?

faithfulandtruthful Tue 17-Sep-13 14:27:06

MTB In my sad and pathetic dreams do I imagine having 'the horn' as you put it sadly it never happens, my poor body has to be cajoled and persuaded to even feel vaguely in the mood. Do you think its catching (she said in hopeful tones)

Fox It interests me too so I get something out of doing too, iyswim. I'm pretty sure if your hubby can fit a kitchen he too with muchly appreciate Ikea hacks (so awesome!) and be totally capable of cot moding. I would love to know what you do in the end. I'm so tempted to try the Ikea thang now.

Poem Thanks for the cosleeping wiseness, what you say makes perfect sense to me. Out of interest what is your plan for the plan for mini Poem, will you go straight for cosleeping ?


x0gawjus0x Tue 17-Sep-13 14:28:49

Lucky pram im half tempted to exagerate my symptoms at mw appointment to get me a cheeky scan lol im so paranoid time is going sooo slow! Xx

Prambo Tue 17-Sep-13 14:30:32

My EPU are berrrrrrrilliant and I'm on first name terms with the sonographer. It was she who told me at the 12 wk scan that she would happily scan me again at 16 wks 'for reassurance'. I don't need reassuring but cannot let the opportunity pass to see my gorgeous babby again. Just fink...I could find out the sex on Thursday if I so wished wink

Jolleigh Tue 17-Sep-13 14:36:11

Scan done. 1.8 - is that good? Also, I've somehow lost weight since my booking appointment despite me eating everything in sight and not really suffering much morning sickness confused The Alien is very active grin

Jolleigh Tue 17-Sep-13 14:36:53

I'm now in Tesco on a 'I will poo today' run wink

FoxMulder Tue 17-Sep-13 14:38:42

And are you going to?

FoxMulder Tue 17-Sep-13 14:39:09

Oh yey Jol!

FoxMulder Tue 17-Sep-13 14:39:45

My previous post was to Pram, I wasn't asking if you're going to poo Jol...

x0gawjus0x Tue 17-Sep-13 14:39:55

Drink lots of pure orange that makes me poop or a vindaloo blush

FoxMulder Tue 17-Sep-13 14:40:40

Walking does it for me. If I go out for a walk, I really need to poo about half way round. That might be sod's law though.

Prambo Tue 17-Sep-13 14:49:46

Aw, Jolls, lovely news! Good luck with bowel evacuation project.

Foxy, no I will not be finding out, however, I feel slightly ridiculous holding on to this seemingly-old-fashioned determination to not find out the sex.

FoxMulder Tue 17-Sep-13 14:54:00

Well call me old fashioned then, because we're not finding out either.

Brilliant news Joll! 1.8 is perfect. Good luck with operation poogate. Keep us informed wink

That's great Pram. The EPU here isn't the best. And they will only scan you up to 12 weeks. Anything over that and you have to go to the antenatal department.

Jolleigh Tue 17-Sep-13 15:13:04

( Did think that was odd Fox - made me giggle )

Materials purchased to evacuate my innards: prunes, syrup of figs, dried apricots, fruit and fibre cereal, fybogel, orange juice.


FoxMulder Tue 17-Sep-13 15:15:10

Hehe, sorry Jol I must remember to address the person I'm talking to by name!

faithfulandtruthful Tue 17-Sep-13 15:20:36

Joll I believe anything under 3.5 is within 'normal' range BUT obviousley that alone will not give you the result you will have to wait for boods to come back. Good luck with the evacuation! You'll feel loads better.


BadlyWrittenPoem Tue 17-Sep-13 15:34:18

F&T I don't think you're being precious at all. This is the longest I've ever been pregnant without it being public knowledge (it's usually public knowledge by about six weeks due to how ill I get) because it's the first time I've had good enough treatment to keep it quiet and (aside from a few close friends and the Pregnancy sickness support group) I'm determined to not announce it IRL for as long as I can get away with it just because I want to enjoy the experience of knowing while the whole world doesn't as long as I am able to.

x0gawjus0x Tue 17-Sep-13 15:37:54

Seen bump pics on fb omg!! My belly just looks like flab so jeloussss althou fairly easy to hide from parents still!

had to renew my expired passport, dr wouldnt sign optician wouldnt sign so i got a taxi driver to.. Surely thats someone in good standing with the public? Hope so...

commsgirl Tue 17-Sep-13 15:41:54

Pram We're not finding out either smile

Prambo Tue 17-Sep-13 15:44:36
Prambo Tue 17-Sep-13 15:45:18

Erm..do NOT look at that link if you are eating!!

HotCrossPun Tue 17-Sep-13 15:47:58

Your Dr isn't accepted as a countersignature anymore gaw it needs to be somebody who knows you like a friend or a work colleague.

There is a list on the Gov website that gives you all the acceptable professions. Taxi driver isn't on their and I've never heard of them being accepted.

It has to be somebody who works in a professional job or in a trusted position.

BadlyWrittenPoem Tue 17-Sep-13 15:47:59

Prambo, yes you can call me BWP. I think it's just that they are different children and have different personalities and different needs. DD2 is definitely a hungrier baby and I seemed to produce a lot more milk than with DD1 and DD1 was very routine whereas DD2 is not really - my mum still talks about how you could set your clock for when DD1 would start grumbling for dinner at five o'clock.

F&T, yes the plan is for the new baby to cosleep. We're currently (since she stopped feeding in the night and I got pregnant) gradually moving DD2 who if all goes well will be in a bed sharing a room with DD1 by the time this one arrives. Currently she is in the cot which is still right next to the bed but we have put the side on.

HotCrossPun Tue 17-Sep-13 15:48:55

But you only need to get your form countersigned if you look a lot different now than you did on your last passport photo.

If you can still be recognized from your old photo them just leave section 10 blank.

MummyPig24 Tue 17-Sep-13 15:49:16

Saggy I have my fingers and toes crossed for good news from your amnio.

Joll caffeine always does it for me, coffee in particular. I will need to poo within half an hour of having one.

I've had a manic day, still got my friends little girl here, no idea when she is being collected, and I'm supposed to be going over to my aunts because its her twin girls birthdays today. I may get over at some point! Gammon for tea, as requested by ds.

BadlyWrittenPoem Tue 17-Sep-13 15:52:23

We found out the gender with DD1 but not DD2. WHen she was born it was actually a few minutes before I remmebered to check which she was. I was considering it this time but now I've had people ask if we are "trying for a boy" which makes me want to not find out in order to illustrate that I don't mind which I have. I have stacks of girls clothes and a girl would give me an excuse to have another one as people would assume we were "trying for a boy" again.

BadlyWrittenPoem Tue 17-Sep-13 15:54:22

Well, today we discovered that DD2 has slapped cheek disease which can pose a risk in the first twenty weeks so I've just had a blood test to see if I'm already immune or not. I'm really hoping I am otherwise there'll be all the stress of whether I do get it and waiting to find out etc. etc.

Jolleigh Tue 17-Sep-13 16:06:57

Pram - I looked while eating my fruit and fibre cereal topped with chopped prunes and apricots. I actually saw it as inspiration...I'm not easy to gross out wink

Jolleigh Tue 17-Sep-13 16:07:56

BWP - forgive my ignorance...what is slapped cheek disease? Sounds very 1950s confused

Jolleigh Tue 17-Sep-13 16:11:29

Mummy - I used to drink a lot of coffee so seem quite immune to the affects unfortunately. I reckon the quantities I'd have to drink would far exceed how much the docs would agree with.

PiratesMam Tue 17-Sep-13 16:11:49

Hello my beauties.

badlywritten hopefully you'll have been exposed. Fingers crossed. We've just had hand, foot and mouth disease in this house. Such medieval sounding diseases! Is DC ok? What meds are you on for the ms? I've just come off cyclizine but still being quite sick. The pills were making me so tired I couldn't concentrate on looking after the DC.

Joll happy pooing. A difficult poo is good practise for labour!!

gawjus I'm just flab on my bump at the moment too. I'm desperate to start feeling some proper movement because at the moment I just feel like a right lardass.

Prammy I've known you virtually long enough now to have hovered over that link and then thought "actually.... no". wink

DS is still going great guns at school but the school run is a right shag. It's a 35 min walk or a drive, but driving means I always lose my parking space. OMG I just read that back, that's such a first world problem!

My cold had me up at 4am this morning and then DD wet the bed at 6am. There, that's a better problem. I'm knackered but strangely the exhaustion has given me focus and I've sorted and packed up all of DD's old small clothes, and this afternoon after school me and DS baked some choc chip fairy cakes, so I don't feel too guilty about just mn-ing now!

greymoose Tue 17-Sep-13 16:12:20

saggy sorry to hear you're not having the easiest time of it at the moment, i hope you get the answer you're hoping for

comms me too, i would have been completely fine with it had she had a conversation with us at all because we make decent money and would have been happy even to put down a few months rent as an act of good faith ya know - it put a bad taste in my mouth so now I'm very glad though! we've since heard from the letting agents that she is pretty much saying no to everyone so it's an isolated incident, it worried me that others would be like it but we've never had that problem before! hope everything goes well with the baby pup x

thanks pram i agree, id hate to have moved in and then had her being difficult! I've not actually met my landlady here, she just sends people when things need fixing, i like them that way. good news on the scan! but will you be able to resist finding out if you have a prambino or prambina grin

f&t you don't have to be friends apart from with one of us (otherwise you cant be added) and the group is completely private so no one can see that it even exists except those in it! but we'll stop pressuring you now and you can miss out on all the fb fun ;) just kidding

yay jol!!!

lumpylumps Tue 17-Sep-13 16:16:24

Bloody he'll you lot, slow down, I have loads of comments to make but can't keep up with who said what!!!!

saggy thinking of you.

lambchop mmmmmmm. Sorry just your name makes my mouth water!!

pram £135 on a coat, I wish!! £1.35 more like. The h&m one looks good tho. New look have some nice ones too!

Mat jeans and bums. They will stay up better with a bigger bump, it might be worth keeping them!!

Feeding at night. I took mine out into their room. They were both ff it disturbed dh less. I know some people don't think that matters cos it's his baby too but I think if he's working 12 hour days at work then he deserves a full night sleep.

I'm getting pulling crampy pains too and pressure down there and my heartburn/trapped wind is awful.

jolls sending strong pooing vibes your way!!!

Teddybear4 Tue 17-Sep-13 16:27:53

Sorry to hear that Saggy. Hope the next few days whizz by for you.

Apologies for being awol. Lots going on at the moment and hardly got time to break (trapped) wind.

Waiting at the GP surgery to see the midwife right now and hoping to hear the heartbeat so I can stop worrying about lack of movement. They seem to be running the antenatal and geriatric clinics at the same time so the room is full if fat ladies and people using wheels and sticks - a health and safety nightmare.

We'll be finding out the gender. Kids are desperate to know and I'd like to know as I'm a compulsive planner. We've found out both times before. I've had enough surprises over the last 5.5 years to make up for the ones I didn't get in the delivery room wink

faithfulandtruthful Tue 17-Sep-13 16:31:21

grey Just have very strange self inflicted 'rules' about FB, I didn't join for years. I was broken by a boy... who is now my husband (so worth selling my sole for!). So I have a Only RW friends rule and due to privacy issues regarding family no pictures/info that could identify me to RW people who I don't want to know about my life. So I am worried I'd end up being a bit voyeuristic and FB stalking all your pics without ever posting my own. Did I mention my no foetus' on FB rule? (I say foetus but anything to do with baby generally). There's always one and its usually me!


x0gawjus0x Tue 17-Sep-13 16:38:00

hottie my passport expired so she said i needed pics signed, argh prob get sent bk to me then.. My friend got a train driver to sign and it worked? Cant ask nurse at work havent known them 2 yr sad

FoxMulder Tue 17-Sep-13 16:53:20

I just found out my nearest mothercare is 40 miles away. I am shocked and appalled.

Bloody hell, it'll take me an hour to catch up on all these posts. Shut up, the lot of you!grin

Will post properly and comment on stuff later. Had a nice lunch out at the Chinese buffet with DP (who thankfully looks less like the Elephant Man than he did straight after the dental surgery) grin

See yous later.

HotCrossPun Tue 17-Sep-13 16:58:43

Do you still have your expired passport? If you still have it then you only need to get one of your photos signed if you look significantly different.

If your passport is lost then you need to get one of your photos signed.

It might not get sent back to you. Some of the examiners stick to the list and don't accept anybody who isn't on it, others are more flexible. The good news is they are normally really quick writing to you if they do want you to get an alternative countersignature.

greymoose Tue 17-Sep-13 17:25:06

does anyone recommend any particular brands of reusable nappies etc? ideally the ones that are newborn-potty training?

greymoose Tue 17-Sep-13 17:27:02

also i feel a name change coming on

SoSurprised Tue 17-Sep-13 18:09:17

mimili how r u feeling now? I am getting back pain too now.
Not much of a bump yet but I look like I have gained some weight.

Teddybear4 Tue 17-Sep-13 18:19:54

Grey - I've used Bumgenius with success but not from birth. I like them and they come in cute colours!

Prambo Tue 17-Sep-13 18:29:51

I'd like quite a few of you to change your stupid usernames.

Prambo Tue 17-Sep-13 18:30:37

Foxy, surely everywhere is forty miles away from you?

Jolleigh Tue 17-Sep-13 18:36:26

Anyone whose user name particularly offends you Pram ? hmm

greymoose Tue 17-Sep-13 18:41:27

teddy i saw those and thought they looked good, are they one size? did you try out a few before getting a 'set'? is there much difference between them? they confuse me so much!

SoSurprised Tue 17-Sep-13 18:46:26

Saggy hope you get the best news on Thursday.

Rockchick1984 Tue 17-Sep-13 18:54:48

Grey most of the birth to potty ones are actually far too big on an average newborn, should fit from about 10/11lbs so depends how big your baby is as to when they grow into them. Have a look on TJ's cloth nappies, I think it was there that showed a comparison of the same nappy on a squishy baby and a toddler. They are actually very good and cheap, but would need a decent amount of boosters - I use 1 microfibre and 1 bamboo in each nappy.

Re co-sleepers, I'm tempted by this as its nice and cheap. Ikea hacker looks a good option too! I had no problems breastfeeding lying down and never fell asleep with DS, although woke hugging the pillow on numerous occasions and panicked thinking it was DS blush Night feeds are so much easier when breastfeeding - once we switched to bottles it was a pain having to get up, prep a bottle, make the feed, all the while with a crying baby. Plus it was always bloody freezing getting up in the night!!!! Determined to breastfeed for longer this time, not least because its easier once you get used to it grin

OwlinaTree Tue 17-Sep-13 19:00:58

Hadn't honestly noticed I used donut rather than doughnut blush. I'm quite happy to use either. When I go to Gregg's at the weekend to purchase said bakery item I will check to see what spelling they use. Watch this space!

I think the nursery sounds lovely JK. Nothing wrong with some time apart. I expect my bump will be full time nursery by 1 year old, so you are already getting loads more mummy time than that!

sunshinemeg Tue 17-Sep-13 19:09:07

Hi all

Really sorry I haven't read back over the precious posts but need some help.
I've had a really bad stomach bug for the last 24 hours, and without being TMI I'm not keeping any food in me for long. Trying to drink as much as I can but can anyone suggest anything else I should be doing? Doc on phone not great just said see if it continues. But I'm scared for little ninja. Tips please hmm

Jolleigh Tue 17-Sep-13 19:14:20

How long have you been like this for sunshine ? I'll swap you for my constipation if you like wink . Try not to worry too much chuck. x

OwlinaTree Tue 17-Sep-13 19:15:36

Thinking of you saggy, hope it goes OK on Thursday. Odds are still on your side.

Jolleigh Tue 17-Sep-13 19:15:54

Sorry - you did say it's been 24 hours. Seriously, don't worry. Would need to be longer to harm the little one. Keep the fluids as high as you can. Is it both ends or just 1?

apprenticemamma Tue 17-Sep-13 19:17:22

ds is having an exorcist style tantrum in his cot. Because he's tired. I'm tired and tearful sad Someone help me please

sunshinemeg Tue 17-Sep-13 19:17:55

Thanks for the reply joll, just 24 hours and the one end, throughout this pregnancy I have felt dreadfully sick but never been sick, (not sure if that's actually any better or not).
Feel a little reassured that little ninja is probably oblivious to all this. grin

Edamame Tue 17-Sep-13 19:20:27

Sorry you're sick sunshine. You're doing the right thing in trying to stay hydrated. Can someone get you some electrolyte powders (e.g. dioralyte) which will help your body absorb the fluids and keep potassium/sodium levels balanced? If not, you can use water, sugar & salt but I do not know the ratios, which are quite important.

Don't be worried about the baby - the V&D is your body getting rid of the bug. Wishing you a very speedy recovery thanks

Edamame Tue 17-Sep-13 19:23:08

Can you video it and post it on fb apprentice?
Then we could add subtitles and stuff... <Edam: not fit to be a mother>

sunshinemeg Tue 17-Sep-13 19:25:28

Edamame thanks, will send hubby out.
Feeling really guilty that clearly bigger stuff is going on than my little worries but I'm not sure what, lots of people wishing saggy best wishes, I can't find the post being referred to but am passing on my positive non ill vibes for you as well x

liberuna Tue 17-Sep-13 19:28:12

You beat me to it eda
Lots of fluid and electrolyte powders are great. Keep calm*sun*(easier said than dine I know) but remember to keep calling gp/midwives if you're worried.

apprentice I send you hugs and the inner strength you'll find to get through this. Is there any one you cancall Even if it's just for moral support?

Teddybear4 Tue 17-Sep-13 19:29:39

Ugh Sunshine. That sounds awful. It will pass though and the best thing is to keep hydrated. Baby will be fine.

Grey, I just bought the Bumgenius as they came recommended. I didn't start using them until later (about 4 months) as they were massive before then and also babies poo so much before then that I'd have needed loads. I think I had 6 or 7 and used sposies at night (the thought of a disturbed night due to a leaky nappy was too grim to bear). A few friends used them too. You just boost them with extra fillers to increased absorbency. All that said, DD was not a heavy wetter and I'm not sure they would have worked so well for DS who was.

All good at the midwive. A very fidgety baby with a nice heartbeat. grin Next appointment at 28 weeks shock

sunshinemeg Tue 17-Sep-13 19:31:40

Apprentice the mental image you created made me smile, but big hugs for having to deal with it

Edamame Tue 17-Sep-13 19:32:24

* sunshine* - Oral Rehydration
It says to dissolve:
6 level teaspoons sugar (i.e. 30ml)
0.5 level teaspoon salt (i.e. 2.5ml)
in 1 litre water

Lambchop14 Tue 17-Sep-13 19:37:44

I'm not changing my name as my baby is called lampchop and due in 2014 :p

prambo maybe you should change yours?? Lol

Prambo Tue 17-Sep-13 19:40:41

Apprentice, I wish I could help you but I don't know what I'm talking about. You poor love, how is the child now? What's up with it? What a stupid question sad

Jolls, it's the names that read as statements that I struggle with; I can't mess around with them or make 'em rude. There are a few 'Mamas' and 'Mummys', too, which confuzzle me.

Th'usband has just come home all excited from work as an elderly-ish couple today on his rounds showed him a matching set of primrose yellow Moses basket (with stand), blankets and curtains which they had set out for him to view which they are giving us for free. They are almost new (mattress was still in cellophane) and Mamas & Papas and DH said they're beautiful. We are going to pick them up next week when we have a hire car and I will take 'Pat & Ron' some flowers and choccies. How wonderful and how generous! I'm so grateful and th'usband is really excited about this baby now he has seen nursery stuff smile

Prambo Tue 17-Sep-13 19:44:08

Ha! Lambchop, I am dying to change my name to Edamame's brilliant SilenceOfThePrams but I fear I am changing it too often blush

Happyhoppy Tue 17-Sep-13 19:45:49

Is Abibub still around? She had her scan yesterday like me. Hope everything is OK.

Edamame Tue 17-Sep-13 19:46:17

Do it. I wanna change mine, it's lame.

Prambo Tue 17-Sep-13 19:49:58

It is a bit 'cheesy', Edam (badum-tish!)

greymoose Tue 17-Sep-13 19:52:06

i like the user name edamame but i hate actual edamame. eurgh makes me heave! horrible little green things!

lumpylumps Tue 17-Sep-13 19:55:50

Flat coke is also good for settling stomachs and rehydrating.

BakingEating Tue 17-Sep-13 20:02:31

Really sorry to hear that some of you are having a stressful time, especially saggy, I wish that cake, brew and thanks would make it better.

It's not donuts or doughnuts here, it's Berliners, yum.

Edamame Tue 17-Sep-13 20:03:27

Oh God, the agony of name choice! We'll have to do this for real in 6 months or so.

Yes yes to flat coke, lumpy. My doctor friend prescribed flat coke and a packet of salty crisps when I had food poisoning at xmas.

P.S. I'm stealing your badum-tish pram
greymoose - is elegant and it suits you

MummyPig24 Tue 17-Sep-13 20:09:51

Meg I hope you feel better soon. Keep drinking little sips every 5 minutes.

Apprentice I hope your ds fell asleep quickly. Dd was vile at bedtime and was out like a light, despite being "not tired".

Pram people are so generous when you are having a baby, it's lovely to see. My aunt text me to offer me her ds grobags. He is 2.5 and just gone into a bed so doesn't need them anymore. I really appreciated her thinking of us.

Jolleigh Tue 17-Sep-13 20:18:40

Loving SilenceOfThePrams but always did have a soft spot for PramBamThankYouMam wink

I've changed names on a regular basis but always include Frankel in some form or other. I use the name because all of last year I kept boring people rigid by talking about the real Frankel grin

Jolleigh Tue 17-Sep-13 20:26:58

Syrup of figs didn't work. Fruit and fibre didn't work. Fybogel isn't yet working. Now forcing down fig rolls. God, this is proper grim. angry

greymoose Tue 17-Sep-13 20:28:52

jol go steady, give it about 24-48 hours !

Sorry to hear you're poorly Sun staying hydrated is the only important thing. Don't worry about the food yet.

Hope he has calmed down Apprentice

Change it Somewhereovertheprambo

Grey your name reminds me of vodka wink. I too am researching reusables. I have heard good things about the mio solos. But it's a bloody mine field!! I'm planning on going to some baby shows so I can have a proper look and get some advice and hopefully pick up some freebies

Jolls I have a feeling your toilet is going to be abused tomorrow.....

faithfulandtruthful Tue 17-Sep-13 20:35:55

Apprentice must be something in the air, the two I look after were vile yesterday, I was exhausted when I got home. I hope that your littleun has settled now.

For those looking into reusable nappies I have found the following useful Go Real Impartial advice about real nappies and The Nappy Lady has some useful videos demoing various nappies.


OwlinaTree Tue 17-Sep-13 20:36:10

Badlywritten most people have been exposed, If you've got other children almost certainly. I was exposed to this in 1st pg, had the test and it was fine. Hope it works out OK.

Jolleigh Tue 17-Sep-13 20:38:20

I know I should be aiming for a slow build up, but it really hurts sad And while I'm full of shit everything else, I can't fit food in.

I feel sorry for the work loos...I'm back in the office tomorrow.

Prambo Tue 17-Sep-13 20:43:23

Jolls, I don't rate fybogel at all. Are we allowed to use lactulose? Give it 24 hrs.

Marbie, I love somewhereovertheprambo! I also adore whambamthankyoupram and pramelamadingdong What other corkers did you come up with on t'other thead, Marbie? I'm savin' 'em all up for when the feminists get me kicked off mumsnet which is the real reason I change names so frequently

Prambo Tue 17-Sep-13 20:44:36

Foxy, you've got me trawling through ebay for corner sofas now..

OwlinaTree Tue 17-Sep-13 20:44:39

sunshine I've no advice I'm afraid, hope you fell better soon tho.

I've bought a set of totsbots but no idea if they are any good or not!

OwlinaTree Tue 17-Sep-13 20:45:36

Feel not fell

BakingEating Tue 17-Sep-13 20:46:12

Given the choice, I think we'd all rather poo in work time than free time Jolls grin

greymoose Tue 17-Sep-13 20:54:37

maybe baby shows?! i want in! haha yes i couldn't think of a name and looked around the room, saw the grey goose and thought greymoose, that'll have to do haha!

thanks f&t those links look really helpful, so confusing!

greymoose Tue 17-Sep-13 20:58:00

pram yes to the lactulose - we're def allowed, i quite like the taste of it too!

i thought id really like a corner sofa, we have one in here as our one (my favourite thing I've ever owned) wouldn't fit through the door and is sat neglected in storage, but i always feel a bit odd sitting on this corner one. might just be the room though, as big open plan rooms make me feel a bit uncomfortable for some reason!

Liking your thinking Grey wink

Baby shows are where it's at!!

Jolleigh Tue 17-Sep-13 21:00:58

Random question...can I breast feed normally with my boob that until about 6 months ago had the nipple pierced?

BadlyWrittenPoem Tue 17-Sep-13 21:02:14

Jolleigh, it's sometimes called fifth disease because it's the next common childhood rash illness after measles mumps rubella and chicken pox.

The risk is mostly prior to twenty weeks (I am 14 weeks) and it can cause complications with the baby with a 9% risk of it causing the baby to die. There are some interventions they can do to improve outcomes though so if you are exposed they test for immunity and then if you aren't immune you are tested a month later to see if you caught it. Then if you did you'd be referred to foetal medicine for monitoring.

PiratesMam, I'm on ondansetron for the sickness. I've had most things but none of them have been effective except for this and cyclizine made me more sick.

Oh and slapped cheek disease is no concern at all for DD - it's made her rather grumpy and she's sleeping more than usual but it's nothing at all to worry about for her. (And I guess a good thing for her to have now as it then avoids potential worry in pregnancy!)

greymoose Tue 17-Sep-13 21:04:17

nomaybe what is a baby show?!?!?!? I've tried looking it up but all I've found is pageant type things! I'm guessing you don't mean this, is it like the wedding things where they have a load of stalls?

sunshinemeg Tue 17-Sep-13 21:07:29

DH and I are off to the Baby Show in London at the end of October. Haven't bought anything yet so that will be when we check everything out. We should plan a mass mnet visit to the show!

We were looking at that one too sunshine grin. We haven't decided if we're going yet though.

OwlinaTree Tue 17-Sep-13 21:12:52

We went to the baby show in the NEC. Everyone seemed to be buying sterilisers. Was quite good for seeing all the different prams etc.

Prambo Tue 17-Sep-13 21:13:01

Grey, 'baby show' was probs a typo. MarbieDoll's proof-reading has gone to shit since she got diffed <dons tin hat>

Prambo Tue 17-Sep-13 21:13:32

Fucking hell, Lyra, you can't still be having sex surely?

Prambo Tue 17-Sep-13 21:14:34

I can't think of anything worse than having no money and going to a baby show sad

In fact...I can't think of anything worse than going to a baby show hmm

BadlyWrittenPoem Tue 17-Sep-13 21:15:38

Grey moose, we do elimination communication and I use bambino mio nappy wraps just because they were what I happened to try first due to stuff being sold off in Boots and found them good. Then, while newborn I just used a flannel inside instead of a prefold until wees got too big for one flannel at which point I started using either two flannels or the first size of prefold. (Well actually with DD1 I started with terry squares and plastic pants and then moved on to muslin squares with plastic pants but then discovered the other stuff in time for DD2 and it's much quicker and easier for taking on and off and creates less washing.

Sunshine I have gone days without food in some of my pregnancies without it causing harm to the baby. However, if you continue to not keep anything down, you may become dehydrated and need IV fluids - the last time I was admitted to hospital for hyperemesis gravidarum there was a lady admitted with a sickness bug and she was given similar treatment to what I was (although because hers was just a bug it cleared up nicely unline mine).

Becface Tue 17-Sep-13 21:17:10

Joll yes you can, I only took both my piercings out when I did my pregnancy test, my friend breast fed with her piercing still there (taking it out each feed and replacing afterwards but said it was difficult keeping the piercing clean this way). There's not much research into it but lots of anecdotal account of successful breast feeding with nipples that have been pierced.

apprenticemamma Tue 17-Sep-13 21:19:03

thanks thanks thanks for your kind words peeps. Just feeling sorry for myself and panicking at two of these wink Went to garden and phoned a friend...great distraction smile (I did of course check on little darling intermittently before anyone thinks I'm being too harsh! ). I am sure his head was rotating at one point angry ...He now sleeps angelically. Hope all those other littledarlings are asleep too . wink off to watch last night's breaking bad now shock

greymoose Tue 17-Sep-13 21:19:27

oh you had me until you said london. i am going there to see jay-z (seated tickets obviously) in october and that fulfils my london quota for the next year or so.

am looking into whether they have the same sort of thing either cardiff/bristol/southwest but no luck grr

prambo wink

apprenticemamma Tue 17-Sep-13 21:19:45

jaysus smiley overkill there sorry!

BadlyWrittenPoem Tue 17-Sep-13 21:20:26

Thanks owlinatree - I know it's fifty fifty whether I'm immune already and then if I'm not fifty fifty whether I catch it so overall the risk of anything bad happening is low but having lost a baby at five months pregnant before it makes me worry more and I really do not want to have to go through that again.

greymoose Tue 17-Sep-13 21:20:53

i also was thinking the same re: lyra hahahha

greymoose Tue 17-Sep-13 21:22:21

thanks poem i am hoping theres a nappy library type thing locally or something!

BadlyWrittenPoem Tue 17-Sep-13 21:23:33

grey, how can you like lactulose? I'm on the maximum dose and I have to force myself to have it every day. It's only the fear of the consequences if I don't that keeps me taking it. Yuck!

greymoose Tue 17-Sep-13 21:29:46

haha poem i don't know it tastes like toffee or something! i also still take calpol. now benilyn, that makes me gag. vile.

BadlyWrittenPoem Tue 17-Sep-13 21:30:34

Ah, I don't like toffee - that explains it.

sunshinemeg Tue 17-Sep-13 21:34:23

Greymoose, if you are looking in those areas you must be very close to me. I'm using the baby show as an excuse for a few days away.

Thanks for all the tips everyone, have been drinking as much as I can so fingers crossed things start to look up.

Btw pram it's good to see you more active again. grin

greymoose Tue 17-Sep-13 21:39:11

poem shock

ooh sunshine where are you based if you don't mind outing yourself of course? unless you can use a secret code i may be able to deduce it from!

you should join the fb, we were meant to be having a meet but we haven't got round to organising it yet, we should probably do that haha!

Jolleigh Tue 17-Sep-13 21:43:13

Think I need to have a word with my midwife and see if the pain in the small of my back could be that pelvis thingy. What's the name of it again? Just went to get up quickly from lying down and the small of my back let out an audible crunch. I seem to have a lot of lower back issues whenever I'm lying down sad

I did indeed mean baby show Prambo wink

We were going to London, but the in laws are descending that day, so we are going to the bluewater one. I'm excited loser

Hope you're ok Apprentice

BWP when will you get results?

IceNoSlice Tue 17-Sep-13 22:16:59

Joll, do you mean SPD?

Symphysis pubis dysfunction, also known as pelvic girdle pain? linky

My friend had it, it can be v nasty sad - I hope you haven't, could be something poo related I guess?!?

OwlinaTree Tue 17-Sep-13 22:17:03

badlywritten I hear you. Deffo with you on the worrying more!

OwlinaTree Tue 17-Sep-13 22:18:15

Crunchy poos? I hope not joll!

Jolleigh Tue 17-Sep-13 22:24:48

haha, not poo related! I've had this a few weeks.

Think it is SPD I'm talking about...I'll have a look and see if it's consistent.

Prambo Tue 17-Sep-13 22:29:51

A bit premature but here's a list of essentials for hospital bag I nicked from another thread:

Flip flops / slippers
Warm socks
Something to give birth in (or use hospital gown)
Pyjamas or nightie for afterwards that allows bf
Something to go home in (comfy mat stuff like yoga pants, tshirt and hoodie is good)
Massive black knickers
Maternity pads
Nursing bra
Breast pads
Lansinoh cream
Water bottle
Dressing gown
Usual toiletries (miniatures are v good as you can pack a bag and just leave it in there)
Baby wipes (good for general wiping up of you and environment!)
Hair bobbles
A couple of carrier bags for dirty clothes
Anti bacterial gel
Anti bac wipes (depends how grotty you think the hospital is - mine was fine but is very new and sparkling)

For the baby:
3 short sleeved vests
3 sleepsuits
Nappies (about 10)
Newborn hat
Scratch mits
Cellular blanket
Cotton wool

They always say an outfit for the baby to go home in but I'd just leave them in a vest, sleepsuit and hat and put a cardie type thing on them.

I'd say they are the essentials. Might also want iPod, book or magazines, ear plugs, snacks and extra pillows. Some people turn up with mahoosive suitcases, I travel quite light so had a rucksack. Can be better to pack one bag for you and your change bag for the baby.

Anyway, the above should do you day of birth and overnight and then you'd hopefully be going home. Nothing extra for a section, just make sure you have the massive knickers.

Oh and a car seat if driving home.

Jolleigh Tue 17-Sep-13 22:32:40

Symptoms fit SPD although they're not as severe or extensive as I'd imagine some people get. Midwife will be the judge in a few weeks I suppose.

greymoose Tue 17-Sep-13 22:39:44

jol i think i have that as i am struggling to walk/move a lot, go to the docs they might be able to refer you for physio!

just watching midwives now, without spoilers does anyone else really get a bad vibe of