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February 2014 - the one where we start to find out if we're team pink or blue!

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jazzcat28 Wed 04-Sep-13 20:37:52

So I used the magic 1000th post in the last thread... ooops grin

DawnOfTheDee Wed 04-Sep-13 20:45:29

No worries jazzcat I'm sure everyone will find us here soon!

Was just watching last night's midwives programme and DH asked me whether all c-sections were carried out with anaesthetic. Worrying. Very worrying. This is our second DC. I am married to an alien.

ch1134 Wed 04-Sep-13 20:46:43

Bear so sorry, I've had a tough time at work in the past and wouldn't wish it on anyone - esp in our condition! think of the maternity leave coming up, and don't let them get away with anything illegal - like discrimination. You shouldn't be made to feel bad at all but if it's due to pregnancy it's not allowed!
Teacher here and posted on the TES forum re: maternity leave. I'm due 27th Jan and advice I've been given is to put first day of new term in Jan as first day of ML, and first day of Summer hols as last day. Seems cheeky and school will hate it as they're so tight with money at the best of times (we're all on weird nearly full time contracts), but it is allowed. I'm thinking I'll go back for a week or two in July though to touch base. I'd love a year off but need to go back before Summer as not entitled to OMP.

Sassy20 Wed 04-Sep-13 20:47:40

Finally got round to adding my bump to the fb gallery - apologies for the fact it's so close up!!! smile

vix206 Wed 04-Sep-13 21:22:39

Thanks jazzcat. I'm off to attempt some sleep. 20 week scan tomorrow lunch time and hoping to find out the sex gringrin

CalloohCallay Wed 04-Sep-13 21:30:13

Finally feeling brave enough to join in - its been a bit of a difficult journey for us so far but I'll be 17 weeks tomorrow and all looking good at the moment.

bugsyburge Wed 04-Sep-13 21:34:45

checking in x

LittlePandaBear Wed 04-Sep-13 21:48:03

New thread, woo!

I'm also 17 weeks tomorrow Callooh smile

Let us know about your scan Vix! Shall we place bets? I'm going for pink.

littlestgirlguide Wed 04-Sep-13 21:49:59

Welcome Coollah!

My boss asked me today why I was bothering to return after Christmas, when I have enough annual leave accrued to leave before christmas. I couldn't carry the excess leave into my new leave year anyway, which starts 1st july and take it after the maternity leave, so I would just lose it...
So it seems I am finishing work on19th December, which means 15 full weeks a work left, one of which I am on holiday for, so that's actually only 57 more days at work then the better part of a year off. Not that I'm counting or anything...

tinypolkadot Wed 04-Sep-13 21:51:01

Eek good luck tomorrow vix! So exciting!

Hi Callooh <waves>

By the end if this thread maybe we'll all have had our scans!

Littleen Wed 04-Sep-13 22:00:21

23 days left to next scan! Hope little one will show his/her bits that time!

rueyrichardson Wed 04-Sep-13 22:06:19

Bear, very sorry to hear your worries ref work. Apart from all the great advice ref HR, sometimes I find that a bit of distance and time away from a situ helps to clarify what I want to do. Maybe you could think about some time off (ahem) sick, if you are paid still, to collect your thoughts and get some rest? Sounds very stressful for you, and that in itself is unfair and inappropriate.

Camwombat Wed 04-Sep-13 22:08:48

I hope to have had my scan, they have three weeks by their own deadlines to find me a date on which to have it. And they are sending it by post. finds a brick wall

Plus, I had birth all planned out to be told that because I have hypothyroidism this health trust won't let me go to an mlu, when it was fine in previous. ffs.

misskatamari Wed 04-Sep-13 22:10:43

Yaaaaay new thread! Good luck at the scan tomorrow Vix - so exciting grin

winterflowers Wed 04-Sep-13 22:12:53

Hey ladies, I'm a newbie too. And I don't get to find out pink or blue till the 14th October. ..feels like forever away (due 25th Feb). Good luck with yours tomorrow vix it's so exciting to be finding out smile

Cam afaik they can't refuse to let you go to an mlu, only advise you. Tell 'em where to shove it grin

Bear you also need to tell your managers where to shove it

I'm full of fighting talk and no action tonight grin

Bearfrills Wed 04-Sep-13 22:17:17

Aw, thanks everyone for the kind words and advice flowers

I'm going to explain it all to the MW and ask if I can have a note stating condensed shifts and finished by 5 so I can be home before 10pm (which is when I get home if I work a twilight shift) and an additional day off would stop me being so tired as I'd get more rest and give me time to myself/with the kids/with DH which would take pressure off elsewhere. I think it'll all kick off when I give them the fit note and something will be said but ultimately they'll either have to amend my duties or put me on gardening leave. If that doesn't make a difference them I'll start looking at lodging a grievance.

Loving the bump pics! I'll post mine shortly.

littlestgirlguide Wed 04-Sep-13 22:19:18

Stand tall Bear, good luck x

SugarMiceInTheRain Wed 04-Sep-13 23:27:48

Woohoo! New thread! grin Bearfrills sorry to hear about all your work woes. It must be incredibly stressful. Hopefully your MW will be obliging.

No new news from me, just wanted to mark my place on the new thread. Cannot wait for my scan. 13 days and counting...!

jazzcat28 Thu 05-Sep-13 06:22:31

Welcome newbies! We have a top secret non public Facebook group to share pics etc, if you want to be added PM me your Facebook email address.

I am still team yellow but scan date not til 10th oct so depending how chatty we are might not happen on this thread.

Shropshiremummy2B Thu 05-Sep-13 06:44:27

Hello cam and winter!

After my hissy fit yesterday I am now a doppler pro and officially ready for the next stage - doppler pusher.

However, during the Facebook purchasing of said doppler I think I may have outed myself as I had a couple of private messages with words to the effect of "have we missed the announcement". Needless to say I hastily deleted all interaction and hope I'm back to incognito. That is until they see a mass of arse and stomach waddle in with my head on top.

Shropshiremummy2B Thu 05-Sep-13 06:47:02

Ps for the newbies info edd 1/2/14 team yellow x

EeyoreIsh Thu 05-Sep-13 07:04:34

welcome callooh and winter

my bump has turned into a bump overnight! even DH commented that I need to go into maternity now. I'm wearing one of my normal dresses and there's about 1cm spare around the tummy, and I haven't eaten breakfast yet!

bear I'm glad you have a plan for talking to the midwife/doctor. my gp was great in signing me onto reduced hours when I needed it early on.

I'm on the train to work and the guy opposite has just popped a spot on his chin. eugh envy

Camwombat Thu 05-Sep-13 07:20:49

petty I didnt think they could but the midwife was very insistent and I didnt have the energy at that point to argue with her. The hospital we have gone for is small and most like an mlu, and not in the middle of the city so ought to be fairly easy to get too.

misskatamari Thu 05-Sep-13 07:56:39

Urgh Eeyore that almost made me lose my breakfast! Gross!!!

Back to school today. No kids thank god but we have a whole day on lesson planning and differentiation. Had the 3am insomnia so feeling pretty knackered. Hopefully a steady supply of snacks will keep me going through the whole day!

Bearfrills Thu 05-Sep-13 08:02:21

Welcome to the newbies smile 16wks exactly here and due 19th Feb with DC3. Team Yellow so far but I'll hopefully e switching teams after my scan on 4th October. The thread moves quickly but don't be shy, jump on in grin

Speaking of team yellow, a couple we know had their baby yesterday. They were expecting another girl, instead they had an 11lb boy! It's the first time I've known someone who has it happen, usually it's friend of a friend of a friend stuff and you think "well really?". Must have been a shock when they caught a look at 'her' equipment!

DS has his first full day of reception today. He started on Tuesday with two half days then 9-3 today. He's very proud of himself, bless him, he thinks he's the bees knees with his little book bag and water bottle and is more excite about staying lunch than the actual schooling part grin

KoalaFace Thu 05-Sep-13 08:12:23

Hi everyone! Like Callooh I have only just got brave enough to post in here. Had a MC in April at 12 weeks. I'm now 16 weeks and due 17th Feb. Had 16 week check yesterday and hearing baby's heartbeat has made me feel more confident and calm about everything!

Have the anomaly scan on 30th I'm hoping we'll be able to see if its a boy or girl.

Are you all planning to find out? Or do we have some people who want surprises?

I'm not on Facebook, will I be missing out?

Timpani Thu 05-Sep-13 08:24:35

Bookmarking smile

I'm not going to find out - I like surprises! I had a dream last night that it was a girl (tho it was DS who gave birth?!).

Told work this week - phew! It was ok!

Shropshiremummy2B Thu 05-Sep-13 08:30:22

Welcome Koala. I didn't ever want to find out..... Until I got pregnant! Now I'm itching to know. Alas DH has put his foot down. So I am reluctantly team yellow.

KoalaFace Thu 05-Sep-13 08:37:17

You are both much stronger than I am! I am desperate to know. I have a 3yo DS and want to tell him whether he'll have a brother or sister.

Also, I just can't help myself! It must be amazing how excited you feel in the delivery room though!

Camwombat Thu 05-Sep-13 08:53:12

bear that must have been a shock for them. I hope they hadnt bought everything in pink!

I really want to know so cant wait to get the scan date. although I will be happy whatever team we are on.

marzipanned Thu 05-Sep-13 08:53:54

Bear no wise words to add as it's all already been said, but just offering support from here too.

I haven't used my doppler since the first fail - had massive puking fits after the midwife doppler and the gender scan, so I don't think little marzi likes being disturbed!

Shropshire I somewhat inadvertently outed myself too, but we're allowed to now, aren't we? We're nearly half way ("sooo close" she whimpers")

vix can't wait to hear your scan results!

Welcome to newbies - callooh I think between the lot of us here we've experienced fertility treatment, miscarriages, bleeding, baby health concerns... all sorts, so don't worry if things have been rocky, we're all here to support anyway.

18+2 team rose (sounds so much nicer than pink, non?)

marzipanned Thu 05-Sep-13 08:55:37

Doh didn't realise this thread was already in two pages.

Koala, so sorry to hear about your MC, but how wonderful that all is going well this time.

KoalaFace Thu 05-Sep-13 09:15:07

Marzipanned that's funny about the doppler isn't it? Little Marzi must value their privacy!

I didn't have a preference either way when it comes to gender but being able to say I'm a member of Team Rose may have nudged it in that direction!

Camwombat Thu 05-Sep-13 09:52:28

I wouldnt worry about outing yourselves. My DH outed me to the whole pub at our leaving do, he was just so excited apparently. So I think nigh on everyone we know knows.

marzipanned Thu 05-Sep-13 10:11:37

The bear suit I ordered arrived this morning... it's so cute, but enormous!! Here's hoping for a cold April!!

(I naively didn't realise that 0-3months doesn't mean newborn-3 months)

laura0007 Thu 05-Sep-13 10:32:52

Marking my place on the new thread! I've definitely felt baby move this morning! There was no other possible explanation to what it could have been unless aliens have moved into my tummy grin

KoalaFace Thu 05-Sep-13 10:43:38

laura How lovely! Has it made everything seem more real now you've felt them moving around in there?

winterflowers Thu 05-Sep-13 10:46:26

Marzipanned I'm still naive...is newborn a size all in itself? Clueless first timer here smile am holding off buying anything till after the 20 week scan but a cuddly bear suit sounds so cute!

LovesToBake Thu 05-Sep-13 10:59:38

Littlest you'll be finishing work the same time as me then, hurrah for finishing before Christmas and having a year off (or maybe more if I decide not to go back this time...) Am I right in thinking you have a DD? Will she stay in nursery during your mat leave (not sure how old she is)? We plan to reduce DS (18mo) to 2 days a week at his nursery starting when I go on mat leave so I can't wait for a lovely relaxing January where I have two days a week to myself before the madness of having two little ones commences!

Welcome Callooh and Winter - congrats!

Vix - so excited for you about the scan. Can't wait to hear whether you're pink or blue. Just over 4 weeks to go before we find out, eek!

Caught up on the last two episodes of Midwives last night and cried quite a lot. Could watch programmes like that all day long, love them!

LovesToBake Thu 05-Sep-13 11:01:47

Bearfrills I'm confused. I'm 16 weeks exactly today but the due date I've been given is 21st Feb! You're 16 weeks today and your due date is 19th Feb. Weird!

LovesToBake Thu 05-Sep-13 11:05:56

Sorry - also didn't realise this new thread was already on 2 pages! Winter - the sizing thing threw me as well first time round. It all depends on the birth weight, but unless it's a really chunky baby, you'll probably want 'newborn' size vests and sleepsuits for the early weeks. My DS was 7lb 5oz so very average size and was in these for a while before moving into '0-3' size. Also depends on the brand as they all differ a bit. Hope that helps!

Camwombat Thu 05-Sep-13 11:18:33

Seconding what Loves says. My ds was 9lb 4oz but long and skinny. Fortunately we had very minimal newborn stuff as he didnt ever really fit it and pretty much was straight into 0-3months for all of 6 weeks flaming giant but each brand is a slightly different fit so worth buying from several shops for comparison.

marzipanned Thu 05-Sep-13 11:27:40

I'm picking up a big bundle of 0-6 months clothes this weekend so think I'll supplement with some cheap plain vests and onesies in newborn size and then see what fits when little one rocks up!

LovesToBake I am also due 21st Feb and I am 15+6 today? Have you jumped a day ahead? grin

ds was also a very average 7lb 7oz and was in his newborn stuff for about a month, which think is about the norm. Newborn sizes = up to 1 month according to M&S. I got loads of vest in the Jan sale at M&S for ds so worth looking out for.

Littleen Thu 05-Sep-13 12:10:31

Welcome newbies smile

I think I have a preference for a girl this time and then a boy next! Only because I am terrified of kids, but as I have two sisters, I have some experience with girls already :P So it would be the easier first child for me, haha. Plus we agree on names, which we don't seem to do with boys! Is there any way little one can avoid showing us gender at a later scan? Will be 18+3 for my next scan!

winterflowers Thu 05-Sep-13 12:36:23

Laura that's so exciting you're feeling movement! Definitely makes it so very real.

Thanks for the advice on the clothes ladies! Have a feeling I may be asking many more naive questions in tje next few months.

And Litleen I am with you on the wanting a girl because it's more familiar, but that's because my OH has gone awol (to cut long story short) so will be raising them on my own. But do u not want to find out at your next scan??

SugarMiceInTheRain Thu 05-Sep-13 12:38:47

I haven't even thought about names yet! 15+6 today, feeling knackered and want to sleep instead of going in to help out at school this afternoon. Urgh.

Lovestobake If you're 16 weeks exactly today, your due date must be the 20th, as that's a Thursday. I'm 16 weeks tomorrow and my due date is 21st.

On the clothes front, I'm fully expecting this one to be in newborn clothes for a while then 0-3 months up til about 6 months - both my boys were under 7lb and grew slowly (I'm very petite, so no surprise really). I had to talk myself out of buying some more cute outfits today - don't need any more neutrals!! Roll on the 17th, after which I shall celebrate by buying a girl or boy outfit, depending on the scan!! I have already stocked up on baby wipes (on a really good deal in Costco) and have bought 3 packs of newborn nappies. Must stop spending! grin

Camwombat Thu 05-Sep-13 12:40:51

There are no naive questions when it cones to children!

Supermarket clothes are fine, and I'm glad I had those when DS was small, some of them went in the bin after nappy disasters... I think Asda are better quality than Tesco but thats just personal opinion.

EeyoreIsh Thu 05-Sep-13 12:45:54

welcome newbies. koala there are several of us on this thread who've had previous mc, so you're not alone. I've been super anxious but I'm chilling more now the bump is growing!

talking of which, my bump is huge today! I'm sure it's growing as the day goes along. I've spotted lots of glances at my tummy. my dress now has no give in it, I hope it doesn't spilt before I get home grin grin

for those of you that commute, have you found yourself getting over jumpy having people near you or brushing past you. I used to be a seasoned push slow people out of the way type commuter, but if anyone brushes past me now I get angry and flinch. It's like a baby protect button has been turned on!

For those suffering with backache still, mine has improved after doing some pregnancy pilates. I may now need to keep doing it!

EeyoreIsh Thu 05-Sep-13 12:46:35

ooooh, I'm in team yellow, and 18+4 today

EeyoreIsh Thu 05-Sep-13 12:48:11

sorry to hear your husband has gone awol winter, that must be tough. flowers

Thingymajigs Thu 05-Sep-13 13:11:30

It's so exciting to see second scans coming up. Can't wait to see how many of us are pink, blue or yellow. Mine is in two weeks so I've put off buying anything else until then.
Had my Downs syndrome results from the 16 week blood test and despite my MW preparing me for the worst the risk is only 1 in 100,000. So I'm very happy today.
In the last few days I've had some odd stretching high up around my belly button which is quite sudden and shocking. It makes me produce a weird 'Oueff' sound but DP just says that surely I should expect it as this is my third. Yes, but I don't walk around expecting inner tears to happen at any moment, do I? He corrected himself before I could though.
hello to the newbies smile

Bearfrills Thu 05-Sep-13 13:16:06

Sorry Lovestobake, I can't count! Had my 16wk check and I'm actually 16+1, was 16wks exactly yesterday (thank goodness for the MW and her little dates wheel). I've been referred to the Physio for my sciatica, seeing the GP this afternoon for a fit note and I've got to have an MMR at my postnatal check because my bloods showed I've got no immunity (I've had the MMR half a dozen times, I obviously don't convert the vaccine into antibodies). Got to ear the heartbeat too although Baby Frills is a little wriggler and was most displeased that we were eavesdropping, kept wiggling out of range and kicking the Doppler.

heidihole Thu 05-Sep-13 13:25:46

Just checking in. I post so rarely on here cos I can't keep up with all the news! When I'm not on my phone ill work out how to Pm to join FB group as I'd like to compare photos.

I'm 17+2 today with number 2. Had a urine check this morning and have protein and sign of infection so need to get another test done on that. Otherwise nothing interesting to say!

vix206 Thu 05-Sep-13 13:29:42

Anomaly scan all clear, no problems at all. And, just as I thought, we are having a little girl gringrin

So thrilled to have 1 of each smilesmilesmile

Sassy20 Thu 05-Sep-13 13:59:57

Great news Vix. Very exciting that you'll have one of each. X

winterflowers Thu 05-Sep-13 14:02:58

Congrats Vix! smile

juliet2013 Thu 05-Sep-13 14:04:46

Hi all - I haven't posted on here for quite a while as I find it so hard to keep up with everyone's news! I closed my facebook account a while ago for all kinds of reasons but planning to reopen it again soon so would love to join the group on there with you all grin

Just checking in to say that I had my scan the other day and baby looks nice and healthy and we are having a little boy! I was expecting it to be another girl but now I am really excited about having one of each and have already bought a few blue things!

Congrats vix on your news!

Hope everyone else is well too!

KoalaFace Thu 05-Sep-13 14:05:10

Congrats Vix

Have you got girl names picked put already?

mummybears1 Thu 05-Sep-13 15:13:30

Hi everyone, again dont really post too much...

I have my scan on 20th Sept and keep changing my mind about what i think it is!!

Heidihole I am 17+5 and had the same at my last midwife appointment but the results came back fine. I thought thats why i am peeing loads but it must be baby sitting on my bladder!!

laura0007 Thu 05-Sep-13 15:23:02

Congrats vix that's great! Team pink!
Winter my oh went AWOL too as soon as I told him I was pregnant so I'm going to be a single mummy too smile trying to look on the bright side! At least I don't have to argue with anyone about names!

heidihole Thu 05-Sep-13 15:59:17

oooh nice to have that good news mummybear i'll cross my fingers that the test tomorrow is clear. Think we're going to get a private 3D scan at 19 weeks. It's the only time we'll be back in the UK and we can't get them where we live. We've got photos of DC1 in 3D from the same sort of 'age' so would like the same for this one! Also means we'd find out a week early what flavour we're having :D

tinypolkadot Thu 05-Sep-13 16:03:40

Congrats vix one of each is perfect! smile

Has anyone put much thought into whether to have the Whooping Cough vaccine? I've been reading all sorts (for and against) and am very confused as to whether I should have it or not...

misskatamari Thu 05-Sep-13 16:26:25

Phew, I survived my first day back at work - soooo glad I didn't puke/fall asleep! It's weird having so much thread to catch up on now i'm not sat at home on my backside all day. The lab technician at work told me "don't worry, you just look fat" this morning....errrr, thanks!

Congratulations Vix grin such exciting news! Welcome to all the new posters too smile.

Has anyone got any experience of baby slings? Think i'm gonna go and try some out at my friends this weekend as they have a selection. Think I definitely want to get one so i can wander around/do the washing up etc with the baby!

misskatamari Thu 05-Sep-13 16:28:57

I've not looked in to the pros and cons of the vaccine tiny - just presumed i'd get it but I should probably find out a bit more about it. The midwife suggested it so i just said yes to it without even thinking that there may be negatives. Will definitely do some research now you've mentioned it.

tinypolkadot Thu 05-Sep-13 16:33:14

We bought this one www.thebabasling.com/

I was overwhelmed by all the straps and clips that were on some of them when we looked so this appealed as it looked pretty straight forward, and we got it in black as I really want dh to walk around with it on too.

I can't comment if it's any good or not though!

tinypolkadot Thu 05-Sep-13 16:39:37

That's what I thought too misskat and then I saw a comment by someone on another thread which made me wonder why some people don’t want to get it done.

SugarMiceInTheRain Thu 05-Sep-13 16:46:24

Congratulations Vix how exciting! I am secretly thinking this one will be a girl but not saying anything, and really don't mind which we have.

We have a Moby sling, which I love - stretchy, comfy and can tie it in all sorts of ways, depending on size/age of baby, whether they want to be forward/backward facing etc. Loved using it and can't wait to get it out again!

Milkandtwo Thu 05-Sep-13 16:48:42

misskatamari we got this one for short journey's and around the house when I want both hands free for chores etc: close caboo
Seemed like a good straight-forward but versatile solution (ie easy to put on without help as no knots but lots of positions possible) and I wanted something that would distribute weight evenly as I get back and shoulder problems. I tried on on my neighbours 4 week old baby and she immediately fell asleep on me for 2 hours - previously she wouldn't stand to be held by anyone other than her mum so I thought that was a ringing endorsement! It was very comfy and I was able to move about easily with her in it.

My mum also wants to by me this bjorn baby carrier one for when we go on longer walks etc (when we visit her in France). Bit sturdier for when baby is bigger, has hip belt to take the weight off my back even more and is one of the only baby bjorn's that support the baby to the back of their knee rather that dangling them by their crotch - which I always thought would be quite uncomfortable when the nappy has been filled!) This is also a front and back carrier so is expensive but lasts them right up until they're too big for a sling!

jazzcat28 Thu 05-Sep-13 16:56:10

Damn I knew there was something I should have asked my midwife on Monday... anyone know when we should be having the flu and whooping cough vaccine? My next MW appointment won't be until 24wks which will be end of October... is that too late? Can they even give it to us or do I need to book in with nurse/GP instead?

Bearfrills Thu 05-Sep-13 16:57:04

I'm probably going to get the vaccine but a lot of places do it at the same time as the flu jab (if you're far enough along) and I think that's too much all at once so if I do get it I'll be asking to have just that vaccine on that day.

The doctor did my fit note. I got as far as "Things are really getting on top of me ... " and she asked me what I wanted written on it and how long! I explained everything and she agreed no late shifts for the tiredness and the heartburn from eating late. I know 'heartburn' sounds a but pathetic but its god awful and I get acid reflux with it so it keeps me up half the night. She also agreed that I should condense my shifts so that I'm commuting less (an hour and a half each way) and to give me 'me' time which she says will hopefully help me feel more like myself. She wants to see me three weeks time to see if its making any difference as she thinks I may have ante natal depression but doesn't want to go down the route of anti-depressants and 'labels' until we know whether lifestyle changes will make a difference so the fit note says "pregnancy related heartburn and fatigue".

I'm so nervous to hand it in to work! I think something will be said along the lines of "are you kidding?!" but meh. They can like it or lump it. Who said "stand tall"? I can't scroll back in my phone, but I'm standing <take no shit emoticon>

And DH has said today that I should start my mat leave at Christmas (when I'll be 32 weeks) so I'm not travelling with the Christmas shopping/January sales crowds, so that I'm off over Christmas, and so I have 6-8 weeks with DS and DD before baby arrives. We put DDs name down for preschool this morning to do two mornings a week from January and if I'm off then I can take her/collect her, have two mornings a week for myself (and 1-2-1 time with baby once he/she arrives). I said it'll mean I'm due back at Christmas and he said "don't go back" then joked "we'll be poor but we'll be happier". I knew there was a reason I heart him smile

tinypolkadot Thu 05-Sep-13 17:01:07

Oh bear that brought a little tear to my eye, your lovely dh! I'm glad your doctor was supportive and you can now hopefully take the time you need to start feeling better.

I think it might be 28 weeks jazz although I'm not sure!

Milkandtwo Thu 05-Sep-13 17:02:00

Bearfrills I heart your DH a bit too - what a bloody sensible nice chap you got there smile. Good for you on the fit note. Who gives a s^*t what they say or think, there's nowt they can do about it - water off a duck's back love.

gnittinggnome Thu 05-Sep-13 17:10:55

bear that's good to hear - I can't imagine how grim it must be to be working in that kind of atmosphere. Hopefully Drs note will trump pettiness. As an aside, if you've got a little time to yourself, could you try some guided meditations or visualisations, to help you feel more yourself? It's not for everyone - I have a friend who'd much rather go for a walk than listen to a guided meditation - but I use them and find they are very stress-releasing. Have a look on YouTube, I'm sure there are loads on there! (one I personally don't recommend is The Joy Of Pregnancy by Michael A Nardi, as he has a very objectionable -to me- voice and seems just too creepily happy that you're pregnant, but if you like that sort of thing, it's probably great smile)

And your DH sounds lovely smile

Bearfrills Thu 05-Sep-13 17:17:03

Oh! Acupuncture! The health food shop in the village has a clinic in the back that offers this so I'm going to call in for a chat next time I'm passing.

We don't have a Tesco or a bakers and the shops close half day on a Wednesday but we have acupuncture grin

Camwombat Thu 05-Sep-13 17:18:47

bear thats really good to hear, and your DH sounds lovely.

miss we used a combination of a mei-tai fabric sling and a baby bjorn. I much preferred the bjorn for ease and quickness. when ds was too big for Bjorn we picked up a second hand little life back carrier for peanuts at an NCT sale, but you have to be there first to get that kind of thing.

Bearfrills Thu 05-Sep-13 17:19:48

Congratulations vix and juliet - team pink and team blue have gained a member each grin

vix206 Thu 05-Sep-13 17:24:09

Congrats on your boy news Juliet grin

Clarounette Thu 05-Sep-13 17:26:10

Hey everyone, I'm a newbie, almost 16 weeks pregnant. Next scan on the 1st of october, hoping to find out whether to go for blue or pink then :-)
Did anyone start looking at prams yet? Any advice?

EeyoreIsh Thu 05-Sep-13 17:47:15

bear I'm so pleased you've got a fit note. You'll still be working so work can't have a go at you really, it's just that now the health of you and your baby needs to take precedence over work. That's why there is legislation in place to protect us. You can have some of my 'take no shit'ness if you want? I've left work early twice this week because I've been exhausted, and I just kicked a poor teenage boy out of his bus seat because I felt wobbly. I'm mean grin your dh sounds amazing though, what a star.

champagne I'm so impressed you're back at work despite still being ill. That's hardcore!

vix congrats on the scan and girl news.

I'll be having the flu jab for sure, my gp surgery will contact me about it separately from the midwife process. I was planning on having the whooping cough vaccine but I haven't done any research. I should do really blush

Now then, views on whether I should take up my mum's offer of the old silver cross pram please! I'm not sure if it's going to be a great money saving practical solution, or if I'll be the laughing stock of our town/annoyed at its impracticality. We wouldn't buy another buggy until baby can sit up, we'd just use slings for when we can't take the pram somewhere.

Bearfrills Thu 05-Sep-13 17:53:37

Is it one of the big coach built ones? If so then they're apparently very fashionable and are having a but of a revival. I have fond memories of being turfed out of my silvercross to make way for my brother, I was relegated to a seat on a board across the pram. I sat on there and held onto the handle bar grin

EeyoreIsh Thu 05-Sep-13 17:58:21

It is indeed a big coach one, that you can lift the top part off. My mum reckons it was very practical...DH says we should take it and ebay it, so rude! I think it was either navy or black, so a muted colour.

marzipanned Thu 05-Sep-13 18:02:46

That's excellent news bear. They might make a face or two when you hand it in, but so what? Your and your family's happiness is a hell of a lot more important.

misskat we also got a close caboo - I would've got a Moby as everyone rates them really highly but it all looked a bit complex!
I'm also going to get an Ergo store.ergobaby.com/ That's the US site but you can get them in the UK.
We do a lot of hiking and I've carried friends' babies in Baby Bjorns and found them really uncomfy after a while, I also think baby looks quite uncomfy (though the one milkandtwo links to sounds different, and camwombat could opine having actually used one for her child!)
Some people believe they can cause hip issues for babies, though I don't know how that could be true and they're still so popular.
The Ergo gets good reports from everyone and I've known people to use it for 2/3 year olds so I think it's a good long term investment!

Eeyore Have you given the pram a little test drive? If you feel happy pushing it around, I'd definitely take it. If it turns out to be a bit of a nightmare, you really can pick up a second hand pram quite cheaply on gumtree but if it turns out to be fine you'll have saved a good chunk of cash then and there.

Welcome clarounette I'm planning to mostly sling the baby so am just going to get whatever second hand pram I can find on gumtree/at a charity shop but some of the ladies are very knowledgeable on the matter of prams!

misskatamari Thu 05-Sep-13 18:17:19

Oooooh thanks for all the sling advice - I will start looking at them and do some research smile

Eeyore I'd say take the pram if its easy enough to manouvere - no harm in having a go and it seeing how it goes. Maybe take it on some yet drives with some bags if sugar in to replicate baby weight?

Pram wise were getting the baby jogger city select. Really like how sturdy it is and that it converts into a double as we're hoping to have kids close together if possible. That criteria helped narrow my choices a lot and I am so chuffed with our choice. I've heard great reviews from people who have it too which is promising.

Bear that is great news about your fit note too. Heart burn is no laughing matter so just ignore them if they comment. Hopefully work will be supportive but it not don't let it get to your, it's your health that is important x

Milkandtwo Thu 05-Sep-13 18:24:21

Yep marzipanned that new baby bjorn (just released this month) is different in that it supports the baby the same as ergo, so they're supported right to the back of the knee and the bum is the lowest point - the 'orthopaedic' best-for-hips way so the weight isn't through their nether regions. I just found that make suited my body shape (straps in more comfy positions) a little bit better is all!

Camwombat Thu 05-Sep-13 18:28:43

I didnt find the bjorn uncomfy but several friends did. Those friends also bought ergos, which they love.

The posher bjorns are meant to be really comfy as they have an additional support, we just had a borrowed original one.

Tbh he got too heavy too quickly for me to carry long term, due to a back issue.

One friend is along obsessed I think and is just buying a caboo too, to go with her Bjorn, ergo, and other slings. She's not happy with any I don't think.

A friend of mine makes "peanut" slings for really little ones which are very popular.

Camwombat Thu 05-Sep-13 18:30:35

I meant to add, try and find a sling library or what until you have done antenatal classes. In ours we got to try out several types of sling, which was really useful. then we conned the gps into buying it

Camwombat Thu 05-Sep-13 18:32:55

the link probably won't work as on phone but:

this came to me from a surgeon

LovesToBake Thu 05-Sep-13 18:41:49

Bear I also just had a little tear in my eye reading about your DH, he sounds lovely!

That's really interesting about the new style Baby Bjorn, it looks great. When I was expecting DS, I bought a Baby Bjorn sling on eBay only to be told about two days later by a friend to google 'crotch danglers' and make my own mind up - you'll find a lot of info about the supposed damage those style slings can do to the little ones' hips for anyone interested. Aside from that, I found it made my back ache. Ended up using a Moby wrap when he was tiny which was lovely - DS seemed so snug in there once I'd got the hang of tying it. Then we borrowed a Beco Butterfly from said friend when he was a bit bigger which is much like the Ergo and very comfortable.

CubanoHabana Thu 05-Sep-13 18:49:32

Have completely forgotten everything I have just read! Only 2nd day of kids back at school and mound of marking - already done loads and brain is frazzled!

Told my year 11s today and they were very upset, convinced they are going to fail! Despite the fact that most of them have already passed and they have another exam with me in November... Bless them.

I am also going to have whooping cough vaccine, particularly as the Head came to see me today to let me know that 2 kids are being kept off for next few days as they have whooping cough (despite being in yesterday).

ch1134 Thu 05-Sep-13 19:13:16

Wish i had your Year 11s! Mine were an utter nightmare today and I can't wait to see the back of them!

Poppy954 Thu 05-Sep-13 19:29:14

Congratulations vix and Juliet - excited for you both.

Bear - glad you have some more positive news.

Hope all the teachers are enjoying first days of term!

Promise to post bump pic on fb tomorrow.

Sorry for disjointed post - jet lag / pregnancy insomnia / back to work etc all hitting hard.

Bear my DM is an accupuncturist and I used to accupressure to turf ds out on his due date grin

I am getting a moby type wrap/sling this time. All that fabric terrified me when I was expecting ds and my dm bought us a mamas and papas sling very much like the bjorns. Me, dh and ds ended up hating it and we used it about 3 times! And actually all the belts and buckles were an arse! We have the lady who runs the sling library coming to the bf group i am a peer supporter of so will have a go with some more first.

CubanoHabana Thu 05-Sep-13 19:47:45

Don't get me wrong here ch1134 I can't wait to see the back of them either, as they are a rather challenging class who I inherited last year from a long term supply, with horrendous behaviour and lack of knowledge but I have started to get a soft spot for them and they are only so bad because of previous teacher letting them get away with hell...

They really take a lot of concentration! Although did have a funny moment when one boy told me I couldn't possibly be going on maternity in jan as babies take longer than that - couldn't grasp that I was already 4 months pregnant, seemed to think I was going home tonight and decided that I was going to get pregnant!

Same boy, also swore rather horrendously at end of lesson and got very upset / apologetic when I told him that my baby shouldn't be subjected to language like that!

Think I will use baby as reason for the kids not to do a lot of things they shouldn't!

My best friend is getting me some form of sling, probably a woven one, or potentially a Mai tai...

misskatamari Thu 05-Sep-13 19:59:18

Lol I'm totally going to play the "lets be quiet for the baby" card to my kids! I am dreading finding out who my year 11s are - probably the class who had crap supply last yet too and are a nightmare - fingers crossed for not! smile

littlestgirlguide Thu 05-Sep-13 20:07:14

Lovestobake - my DD is 4, she has started reception this week. Tomorrow will be my first day off work without her in the last 4 nd a half years, it will be a bit strange confused

DD was 9lb 1oz at birth, and she stayed in newborn size clothes for all of a week, luckily we had loads of presents of bigger ones! DD wore mainly supermarket stuff and presents for the first 6 months, it's really not worth spending £10 on one sleepsuit (like I saw in Boots today!) that they will grow out of in a few days.

I am definitely team yellow. Having said that my gut feeling is that this is another girl which will be lovely. I don't want to admit to a preference, but....

Milkandtwo, my mum and dad live in France too. If I had a way to earn a living there, you wouldn't see me for dust!

Bearfrills - your DH sounds like an absolute gem! Glad your Doctor was understanding. Who give a flying * what work say. The very worst they could do is sack you, which would be unfair dismissal and they wouldn't have a leg to stand on. You keep standing tall sweetie!

Eeyore... I hope I'm allowed to be honest! Round here the only people who use the big old coach built prams are the travelling population. You can spot them a mile away. unless I've totally imagined the wrong type of pram!

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winterflowers Thu 05-Sep-13 21:39:37

Bear your midwife sounds awesome, it's so good she can sort it out and your work need to accept that and behave professionally (I had a look thru the end of the last thread and can't believe the u hey away treating anyone like tht!)

Interesting about all the slings, amazing it can get so technical but good to see all the options!

And Laura, thanks for sharing that. It's good to know there's other single mummies to be and I totally agree re the name choosing - noone to veto my favourites.

CalloohCallay Thu 05-Sep-13 22:36:15

So much chat! Like koala, also had a miscarriage in April at 9 1/2 weeks but we also lost our baby boy, stillborn at 37 weeks last December so very nervously working our way through this pregnancy.

17 weeks today and definately team blue according to our scan yesterday smile due date is 13th Feb but likely to be induced early due to my history.

Poppy954 Fri 06-Sep-13 02:41:00

Congratulations callooh on the scan news.
So sorry to hear of your losses. After what you've been through you are definitely due some extra good luck. X

KoalaFace Fri 06-Sep-13 07:16:12

Team Blue for Juliet and Callooh then! I wonder of it'll be a close 50/50 divide or if one team will have loads.

I'm so sorry to hear about your losses Callooh.

Bear your DH seem's like a star. You are doing well to be making it into work. When I was pg with DS and I was ill and fatigued I got signed off for 3 weeks! I think you're a hero.

Didn't have a sling with DS but now I'll have him and the new baby to look after think I'll get one. Like the look of the Caboo and Babasling. Will have to do some research.

vix206 Fri 06-Sep-13 07:25:16

Welcome Callooh!

I'm also feeling blessed after a miscarriage at 7 weeks in March if this year. I am much more nervous/aware of potential problems this time round than I was with DS.

I used a babasling for a while with DS but found it fiddly and uncomfortable. It really hurt my shoulder. Settled on a moby wrap which I will use from day 1 with the new baby. Love love love it!!

KoalaFace Fri 06-Sep-13 07:43:26

I think I'll take a look at the Moby Sling then Vix. I have loose joints so something that puts too much pressure on my shoulder may well pop it out the socket! Thanks for the heads up!

Milkandtwo Fri 06-Sep-13 08:20:56

Folks - why does bump go suddenly rock hard sometimes? Anyone know?

KoalaFace Fri 06-Sep-13 08:27:25

I think bump hardening is Braxton Hicks. You get them all the way through the pregnancy but I think most women only notice them towards the end. Is it painful or just like your bump feels harder?

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SugarMiceInTheRain Fri 06-Sep-13 08:43:10

I sympathise with those here after a MC - I had 3 consecutive MCs prior to this pregnancy, and for the first couple of months was kind of in denial about this pregnancy. Couldn't get excited and was expecting it to go the way of the last 3. It was only the horrendous sickness that prevented me from ignoring the pregnancy entirely. Previously I had buried my head in baby name books from the instant I had a BFP, this time round, reading about pregnancy, baby names, anything to do with it made my heart sink a bit and I just felt depressed. 2 scans on (and only 11 days away from my next one) I'm starting to believe it might stick.

Koala the Moby was great at spreading the weight evenly across shoulders back and hips without it digging in certain places (which it sometimes does with carriers with straps).

Having a fairly easy day today - I keep getting awful headaches - almost every day at the moment, and paracetamol doesn't really touch them. Yesterday was so bad, I picked DH up from work and went to bed at 5pm. Resurfaced after he'd fed the boys and put them to bed, ate a bowl of tomato soup with cheese on toast (my go-to comfort food), watched a few episodes of The Big Bang Theory, then went back to bed for the night! Still feel like I am chronically sleep deprived this morning! confused

KoalaFace Fri 06-Sep-13 08:52:53

SugarMiceInTheRain (great name btw) I was also scared to really believe everything will be okay but the pregnancy sickness, heartburn and fatigue have actually helped me to feel like everything is doing okay in there!

I've looked at the Moby and think its definitely the best option for me and my floppy joints! Thanks guys.

littlepinkfizz Fri 06-Sep-13 10:46:39

Hi ladies and bumps!

Think I may have joined already a while back but have been off the radar for a couple of months due to severe hyperemisis and antenatal depression. Thank goodness I am on the mend now.it was a dreadful time..hell on earth. I lost over a stone and am only 6 stone 8 lbs. 15 + weeks now without a hint of a bump. Have had 2 small bleeds in last fortnight but reassured but Dr and scan showing a wriggling baby with a strong heartbeat. I hardly dare believe I will have a little baby this time.looking forward to getting to know you all. X

marzipanned Fri 06-Sep-13 10:55:41

Callooh you poor thing - yes, you definitely deserve extra luck this time round. I wasn't even really aware of stillbirth (ignorant) until I came across a thread on count the kicks - it's safe to say it's now one of my biggest fears. You are very brave and I am sure that everything will go well for you this time flowers

SugarMice so sorry about all your losses too. Pregnancy seems like a really simple thing until it actually happens - it's so fragile.

littlepinkfizz you really have my sympathy, I had what I thought was dreadful hyperemesis and I only lost half a stone, and was eleven to start with so not such a big deal! How utterly horrible. It is so debilitating. So glad that your baby seems to be doing just fine regardless. Which meds are you on? Are you able to eat and drink regularly now?

Champagne I hope you did call in and WFH, I agree with your DH!

tinypolkadot Fri 06-Sep-13 11:51:50

So sorry to hear about your losses Callooh I can't imagine what you've been through flowers

Hi littlepinkfizz I hope you're starting to feel better now, it sounds like you've had a really tough time lately.

I'm currently counting down the hours until I can go home. Hardly anyone in the office today, dull dull dull.

Bear how did it go at work? Have you given them your fit note yet?

Anyone noticed an increase in toilet trips? I certainly have - that respite from bladder pressure didn't last long!

tinypolkadot Fri 06-Sep-13 11:55:32

Oh, and I'm loving this cooler weather! Just had to go and stand outside to enjoy it grin

Littleen Fri 06-Sep-13 11:58:07

winterflowers sorry about your other half, men are strange creatures at times. I do want to find out the gender, but we had a scan at 14 weeks and baby was adamant not even to give us a chance to see, so I worry baby might be awkward again :P

Grats to all those found out which team they're on! smile

bear good to hear things are progressing, hopefully it'll all work out and you'll feel much better about everything!

welcome Callooh and so sorry to hear about your loss, will keep fingers crossed for you this time!

random question; last night I could not sleep, because whenever I slept on my left side, it felt like the bump (which still doesn't really show much) was just on that side? I mean, baby is supposed to be tiny still, but it feels like there is a heavy weight on just one side of my belly, higher up than where I thought baby is located anyway - right below belly button, and quite far to the side! Is this uterus or baby or just me being strange?! O.o

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littlestgirlguide Fri 06-Sep-13 12:52:34

Champagnebubble I would just phone your maternity unit/scan ward. They'll tell you!

Oh boy am I feeling wobbly today. Emotionally not physically. Something happened at work this week which has put me under a huge amount of stress, which I can't talk about in RL (though I may have to eventually if my job disappears) and I'm so worried. I am struggling to keep my mind on other things.

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jazzcat28 Fri 06-Sep-13 15:10:44

flowers to those of you still ill and equally those with work issues - this pregnancy lark isn't half difficult!

I've got 3 days left of free time to do this sodding dissertation and only another 4500 to go. Hoping I can polish off at least another 1000 today before DH treats me to a Chinese later.

OK today's random question - how often are you guys dtd now that you're in the 2nd trimester?

DH finally plucked up the courage last night (he's been scared of hurting bean until then hmm) and I have to say it was.... so much more enjoyable for me iyswim? blush according to my pregnancy book it's due to increased blood flow etc down there. Just wondering how often we can dtd without causing damage?! (sorry if tmi)!!

jazzcat28 Fri 06-Sep-13 15:11:16

that's 4500 words and 1000 words by the way!

EeyoreIsh Fri 06-Sep-13 15:17:39

We dtd ages ago (week 13). I bled. Midwife said to hold off dtd for a while. We haven't dtd since as we're both nervous of another bleed.

I might be getting a little frustrated now!

tinypolkadot Fri 06-Sep-13 15:30:37

Once in this trimester, I can't say I'm able to relax enough to enjoy it fully so I doubt we'll be doing it that often. I'm always worried about it. I think some mucus plug came out last time confused

I am however, and apologies if tmi, 'ahem' climaxing in my sleep quite often!! shock

laura0007 Fri 06-Sep-13 15:34:19

shock Tiny!! Tell me how!!!!!!!!!!! Although if you do I will probably try and spend the rest of my pregnancy asleep wink

tinypolkadot Fri 06-Sep-13 15:46:33

Lol Laura I wish I knew. It's happened to me a few times before pregnancy and has certainly increased since.

I don't even know if it's physical or mental... but I think it might be physically happening as I woke up during one once.

I’m not even sure if I like it tbh, feel like I have no control! Still, there are worse things I suppose grin

Littleen Fri 06-Sep-13 16:17:10

I get the ehm climax during sleep too, several times a week, but wake up in pain afterwards, so I am really scared of sex now, because sometimes it hurts alot!

Littleen Fri 06-Sep-13 16:18:50

oh oh - and I just got my doppler. heard a heartbeat at a specific spot where baby would be located, but it was about the same speed as my own heartbeat. Surely I wouldn't pick up my own heartbeat at just one spot near my pelvis?! Confused now!

Thingymajigs Fri 06-Sep-13 16:51:16

We dtd last night and an hour later I stood up and noticed I was bleeding. This isn't a problem I've had in previous pregnancies so it's quite worrying. It has put us off completely.

jazzcat28 Fri 06-Sep-13 16:56:51

Haven't had any bleeding, but did have to be careful with positions etc as I felt stretching in my tummy and didn't want to do any damage.

Right, new question (apologies)! My parents have extracted my old cot circa 1980s from the loft and Dad is itching to completely renovate it for us. It looks fine, just plain white wooden cot with slightly sculpted bars. But it has a fixed base and the drop side only goes down about 1ft. All the modern cots appear to have a base which can be set at different positions. We will be getting a new mattress for it.

Do you think a fixed base will be ok? I presume the different levels available nowadays is purely for comfort and ease for parents lifting in/out rather than benefit of the baby? We're using a moses basket too initially, which should be in use whilst I'm recovering from the birth.

Littleen Fri 06-Sep-13 17:28:12

jazzcat28 I'd say it'll be fine. We're using the family cot, it's an old wooden very traditional one, which I slept in, my sisters and most of my cousins too! It doesn't drop down on any side, so it's completely fixed.
I think it's fine regards baby and safety, and it's just more practical with the modern ones.

ch1134 Fri 06-Sep-13 17:39:34

cubano and katamari - I also took over from supply. Most of my classes are lovely but I have the worst Year 11s ever and 2 year 9 bottom sets. Haven't broken the news to them yet but one delightful Year 9 girl told a 'funny' story to the class today about a past teacher of hers who was pregnant and got kicked by a boy in the stomach, and apparently now has a damaged child. Scary that some of them laughed! On the whole I love my school but those 3 classes challenge me!

SugarMiceInTheRain Fri 06-Sep-13 18:00:38

Ok, I have succumbed to the urge and decided I do want to do up the baby's room after all. Plan to mostly use existing furniture but want to get new curtains, soft furnishings, maybe repaint a bit. I want to go for bright multicoloured stuff but keep walls pale. Normally Ikea are good for this sort of thing but I am feeling so uninspired I don't know where to start!

I have fallen in love with this canopy to have over the cot bed but have no clue what else to put in the room with it! www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/20130878/

Got an awful lot of decluttering and cleaning to do before I can decorate though...

jazz I read online that a cot is safe if you CANT pass a can of coke through the bars. maybe this is to stop babies drinking coke when they are supposed to be sleeping grin

littleen is your doppler maybe picking up the placenta/umbilical cord?

I could only face dtd about 1 a week in the first trimester. slightly increased this trimester but its about as frequent as pre-pg. sometimes the increased blood flow is a bit too much grin oh and I sometimes bleed if a) I haven't been able to fully partake in forplay (due to increased blood flow making me too sensitive) and/or b) my dh really needs to file his nails but he hates nail files! shock apologies for tmi grin

misskatamari Fri 06-Sep-13 18:24:52

Gosh Ch1134 kids can be bloody horrid sometimes! I finally got my year 11 set list today and there are some interestingncharactersnin there, including the horrid weed smoking nutter who I was praying I wouldn't get. I'm just hoping for nice year 7s as both my 9s are bottom sets with some nutters in too!

In terms of dtd, we didn't for pretty much all first trimester after I got BFP as I just felt too crap. Managed it last weekend but I found that bump was already starting to get in the way a bit lol.

Bloody hell, I was at the photocopiers today with a guy from another dept and the deputy head came out of his office and was all "when are you due? Are you finding out what you're having?" etc etc. errr thanks - I guess that means I'm "out" then!

vix206 Fri 06-Sep-13 18:51:51

Littleen yes your heartbeat is very loud in your pelvic area (when you're pregnant anyway, not sure about other times).

A good tip for finding baby is to be able to identify the placenta. It sounds like crashing waves. A real whooshy noise. Baby is usually very close by.

Milkandtwo Fri 06-Sep-13 18:54:33

Sugarmiceintherain - looks like that canopy might go well with the Little Bird range in mothercare...

Thisisfreakingmeout Fri 06-Sep-13 19:51:34

I just found the baby's heartbeat for the first time using the babyscope app on iPhone 4. I tried a few times without success so I'm thrilled now. I recorded it to show DH when he gets home! Woo.


Littleen Fri 06-Sep-13 20:50:39

I'll have to try again tomorrow! I did find the placenta I think, as I could hear a lot of wooshing in one area. Will just have to keep trying and as baby grows it'll get easier anyway smile

littlestgirlguide Fri 06-Sep-13 21:25:54

Champagnebubble I've PM'd you on FB :-(

misskatamari Fri 06-Sep-13 21:43:43

Oooooh congratulations Thisis - does it just need your phone to work? Might get it and have a try!

Littleen don't worry you'll find it smile i generally get my placenta if I put if on the right side and baby if I go low on the left. Took me aaaages to find it tho and you need to make sure to use plenty of gel.

Just got ready for bed and DH was quite gobsmacked by my belly and has decided i definitely look pregnant and that it doesn't look like fat grin

Oooooh my friend at work told me that in babies r us they have the cot bed he got, which is "awesome", in the sale at the moment for £100 (which I think he said is nearly half price). I didn't get any more info but might go and investigate smile

Novascotia33 Fri 06-Sep-13 21:43:45

Just mentioning this in case it's of benefit to anyone. If you pay childcare vouchers, they are classed as a' non working benefit' during your maternity leave. The amount you are due to be paid is the same as the week they judge your maternity pay on, I think it's around week 25, so if you are paying full child care vouchers that month, then whoever you work for has to pay that to you even when you are not being paid any SMP.

It's a total loop hole. Bit complicated, I did it myself and ended up going back to work (after a year off) with over 2k in my kiddivouchers account, very little of which I'd paid for. Anyone wants more details I'll explain.

It's to do with the Sex Discrimination Act and Maternity and Parental Leave Regulations of 2008.

Most people assume that they wont be needing vouchers when they're off so cancel them while on Mat leave, do your homework first, because who you work for either a. wont advertise the loop hole, or b. doesn't even know about it themselves.

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marzipanned Fri 06-Sep-13 22:18:29

Littlest, sorry you're having such a stressful time with work. I hope your little one's still enjoying her first term of school!

I think my illness has finally subsided enough to dtd again, and poor old DH is definitely ready, but I'm terrified after reading of all the bleeds on here! I'm wondering about trying but not going too deep - not sure if that'd make any difference!

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Thisisfreakingmeout Fri 06-Sep-13 23:37:09

missk it is a normal app that just uses headphones. I have tried about 4 times and this is the first time I got it at 18+6.

misskatamari Sat 07-Sep-13 06:28:32

Cool, ill have a go with it smile

Been awake since about half 4 and now up and about. Think my body is preparing me for baby and lack of sleep. Really hope this morning insomnia goes away when I'm back at work properly! It seemed to disappear for a while but alas is back and is very annoying. Oh well at least I can get my school work done now and hopefully have a whole day to enjoy as its super early! Hope you've all had better nights sleep than I have!

Poppy954 Sat 07-Sep-13 06:52:43

Thisis - I tried the app and just got swishing. Will try in a few days.

Nova - thanks for that. didnt fully understand your msg. Do you mean the childcare vouchers that come directly out of salary? And are you saying do keep getting them on mat leave or not? As they are a salary sacrifice I would have thought they would work negatively putting your gross salary down ?

Poppy954 Sat 07-Sep-13 08:10:32

Sorry nova - I'm more awake now and your post does make sense but I wouldnt mind more info!

Shropshiremummy2B Sat 07-Sep-13 09:03:39

Morning all.

Re DTD once a week for us but purely because DH was very sweet and said words to the effect of " wow, I thought when you're pregnant we wouldn't have sex at all!', so I'm doing it just to be nice, although I can't say I'm overly enjoying it, like I've read I've supposed to, it feels like I'm doing it on a full stomach- which I suppose I am.

misskatamari Sat 07-Sep-13 09:24:26

I know what you mean Shropshire - i already feel like my belly is kinda getting in the way!

Somanychanges Sat 07-Sep-13 09:52:59

Morning all,

I have lost track of the thread this week. My daughter started her new school and I have been homeschooling my son. By the time I get them to bed I have no energy for anything. Thank god for the weekend.

Welcome to the newbies, and sorry to hear of all those losses. A lot of my close friends and family have been through similar so I really have not taken pregnancy for granted this time around.

So you will be glad to know my sons weird comment had no truth in it. I had my 16 week appointment on Thursday and heard a very strong heartbeat phew! That was a relief although I was feeling movement anyway so was not too concerned.

The midwife was not what I expected to be honest and the appointment was a bit of a let down. Because of the Hyperemisis, pregnancy up until recently has been pretty awful and resulted in me having a lot of negative feelings about pregnancy. I thought I could discuss this with her but she wasn't interested and did not come across very caring at all.

I have the Baby Bjorn and I used it for both of my children. I liked it and my little ones have no hip problems quite the opposite they are Olympians in the making. So I guess I will use it again as I am not intending on splashing out on new stuff. My friend is also giving me one of those rucksack carriers as we do a lot of family country walks. So once baby is sitting up we can start using that on our trecks.

I don't feel sick today so far yey! So hopefully can spend a lovely day with my DH and DC. I hope you all have a good day.


gnittinggnome Sat 07-Sep-13 10:18:58

somany yay for heartbeat! And I'm sorry your midwife wasn't very responsive - it makes such a difference doesn't it, if they are prepared to take a little time and talk through some stuff with you. Can you book an appointment specifically to go through your concerns?

I was wide awake at 3 this morning, pottered around, caught up with the FB of my friends overseas, and went back to bed at 6:30. I'm not feeling tired, but I probably will be, and have the entire flat to clean/tidy for tomorrow afternoon when our picnic will almost certainly be washed out. No antenatal yoga for me!

littlestgirlguide Sat 07-Sep-13 10:24:08

For those thinking about the childcare vouchers. I've been getting them for 4 years. They work like this:
Up to £243 a month is deducted from your salary re tax, and instead is paid in childcare vouchers. So in effect you are saving the tax you would have paid on that £243, something like £800-900 a year I think). You then pay your childcare provider £243 in vouchers and make up the rest of the bill in cash. It does reduce the net salary, but you are better off than paying the whole bill I cash.
Your employer HAS to continue paying you the same amount of vouchers during your maternity leave. Even if you are not actually getting paid enough to cover the cost, your SMP or MA stays exactly as it would be otherwise (you get the same amount of money) and your employer buys your vouchers for you. Definitely worth doing if you will be using registered childcare after mat leave.

Sassy20 Sat 07-Sep-13 10:28:17

Littlest - I get the kiddivouchers through work. I didn't realise that during mat leave that employer keep on paying even if not enough earned such as in last few months of mat leave. Do I have to pay this back after when I return? X

Poppy954 Sat 07-Sep-13 11:17:15

Thanks littlest - sorry if my question wasnt clear. I get vouchers, have done for years but want to know the implications of getting them 1. In the calculating
Week and 2. During ML.
My concern is that my salary will be calculated minus the
Salary sacrifice. Therefore the weeks I'm on 90% and 50% will be less than it should be.
Secondly if I am receiving for example £200 a month in the qualifying week, will my employer only pay it for me at the point my salary drops under £200 ( eg when smp stops ?)
Wonder if there's a guide anywhere?

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littlestgirlguide Sat 07-Sep-13 11:55:35

Sassy - no you don't have to refund it. It's a loophole, basically free money for you.

If you are getting salary on top of your SMP (eg. My employer pays full pay for 6 months, then it drops to SMP rate) then YOU pay for the vouchers for the months when you are earning enough to do so, after that your employer pays. Yes your salary would be less initially while you are on the higher rate (not the 90% bit of SMP, only of you get proper pay for any time) but worth it in the long run. Does that make sense? I'm babbling a bit!

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jazzcat28 Sat 07-Sep-13 11:56:39

All the childcare voucher info sounds fab - not sure it's applicable to me though as am not in a scheme as this is first DC. Will certainly check it out for number 2 though!

So my hopes of using my own old cot are now down the drain as it's a strange size for buying a new mattress compared to modern sizing. I could get one made bespoke but it's the same cost as a new cot & mattress!

Think Dad is a little disheartened as he would love to have reconditioned it for us. But this way at least I get to shop for something else now and also won't be worrying that it doesn't conform to modern safety standards.

Chunky bump definitely more round today - this week's bump day pic should be a little better!


Poppy954 Sat 07-Sep-13 11:57:16

Thanks champagne
I've found a guide but it's so complicated. It does say
That maternity pay will be calculated post salary sacrifice which will counter any benefits. It probably depends on the length of maternity leave / amount of vouchers and salary whether there are any benefits.
I've got my maternity meeting with hr coming up so
I'll push them a bit further.

Poppy954 Sat 07-Sep-13 12:01:09

Cross post - thanks for
The guide champagne, I'll lookout it. And thanks littlest. I see the benefits but just worried about my mat pay being calculated on a deflated salary ( minus the

misskatamari Sat 07-Sep-13 15:56:17

Awww Somany - glad your appointment went well grin - I hope you're able to have a lovely relaxing weekend with your family.

Gosh childcare vouchers etc sounds so complicated - lucky im only DC1!

Yaaaay my new look order arrived. The snood coat is cosy and looks good. It's not super luxurious quality but i'm chuffed with it for 40 quid. It's crazy how quickly i seem to be expanding! I need new bras as there was practically nipple escaping today when i got dressed! Went to ikea and got my button rug today too yippee. Alas I seem to have spent most of the day doing school work though around that and I must stop so that I can do something fun now! Hope everyone is having a fun weekend smile

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misskatamari Sat 07-Sep-13 16:18:57

That's my plan for tomorrow champagne. And this evening.

barebranches Sat 07-Sep-13 16:20:08

ha champagne me too...! just sent dh out on a chocolate run and im supposed to be hoovering!!! grin

not read thread yet im late joining but ill read now a catch up!

im 18 weeks today and feel massive... also cant really sleep on my front any more sad

Sassy20 Sat 07-Sep-13 16:23:51

Thanks Littlest - my mat pay isn't great - I get 6 weeks at 90% of full pay and then so many weeks at lower rate. That's really good news that we don't have to pay it back - I might rethink when I go back as a result! X

laura0007 Sat 07-Sep-13 18:02:47

That's my plan for tomorrow champagne!
Has anyone else noticed their tummy is covered in blond hair? I feel I may be turning into the gruffalo....

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vix206 Sat 07-Sep-13 19:15:45

Laura my tummy is really hairy shock it was with DS too!!

littlestgirlguide Sat 07-Sep-13 19:43:46

DH is out at a stag party, DD is in bed. I am fully intending to retire to bed before 8pm and watch a DVD ( probably a Harry Potter one!) and yet again there is no chocolate in the house. Boooo.

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DawnOfTheDee Sat 07-Sep-13 19:49:44

novascotia - thanks v much for that info re childcare vouchers and maternity pay. I didn't know that and can be 100% certain that my work wouldn't know/wouldn't volunteer the information.

For those who are on their first pg: i was full time, had a year's maternity leave then went back part time. As you also accrue holiday I tagged that on to the end of my maternity leave (so had 13 months off rather than 12). One handy hint: when my maternity leave ended i was then a part timer so for a week off only needed to take 3 days holiday not 5. Another sort of loop hole - you accrue holiday as per your full time hours but if you go back p/t you can use the accrued hol as per your part time hours.

Sorry if that's garbled - hope you understand. My work tried to make me take off 5 days a week when i only needed to take off 3. A kind mum at work tipped me off though!

And remember you accrue bank holidays as well!

winterflowers Sat 07-Sep-13 19:58:12

Dee do u think you could do the opposite and tag the leave that you would accrue onto the start of your leave? Am not a big fan of my current job so it would be nice to be able to go on leave sooner!

Champagne sorry to hear you weren't well again but at least it solved your dilemma for you smile

jazzcat28 Sat 07-Sep-13 20:05:25

Oooh dawn that is good point re part time hours and annual leave! Hadn't clocked that one! <makes note somewhere useful as sure I won't remember it in the throws of nappies and night feeds>

I've been slaving away at my dissertation today, just waiting on DH's meatballs (!) before switching off the laptop and settling down in front of x factor.

Did have a break earlier to nip into Asda and for any team yellows out there spotted some packs yellow/green babygrows and sleepsuits which were a) cheap and b) cute and seemed cheap enough to buy lots of first size (up to 10lb) to see us through the 1st week before we go out and go pink or blue crazy! Made a change from all the creams/greys/browns I thought.

jazzcat28 Sat 07-Sep-13 20:06:24

winter that is exactly what I'm hoping to do so I can finish work on 23rd December and sit at home in January on leave and getting paid as if I'm at work. Have written to my HR department to ask if possible but no response yet....

LovesToBake Sat 07-Sep-13 20:07:50

Feeling the early night vibes here too. I was supposed to be at the Last Night of the Proms schmoozing in a fancy box for work but had to pull out as I just can't function in the evenings and it would have been a late one. Instead I've just managed omelette & chips, am now lounging on the sofa and plan to head to bed very soon. Night all!

DawnOfTheDee Sat 07-Sep-13 20:25:25

winter - yes at my work you could 'front load' some of the leave instead (think this will depend company to company) but if you do that you don't benefit from the 'taking full time leave at part time hours' loophole i was describing.
I used a week of my holiday in this way as i needed to go on leave sooner due to arsehole ops manager stressing me out. I just wanted to get out of there!

Somanychanges Sat 07-Sep-13 21:32:31

Thanks missk we had a lovely day. Managed a bike ride and some fun in the park. Then we tucked into a lovely lamb curry which I had made in the slow cooker yum!

I am so happy am coming out the other side of HG now although I haven't been able to stop my meds completely as did try but was sick. I have gone from taking 9 a day eek! To just 3 a day now. I have had the most horrendous time with it but actually feel lucky as there are so many who have it really bad up until they give birth. I am usually much better and can start weaning off meds altogether from about 5 months.

I hope the rest of you still being/feeling sick will start to feel better soon. Night all smile

Sassy20 Sat 07-Sep-13 21:43:52

Feeling really miserable tonight. Just have no energy at all. I'm at my parents this weekend as my dh on late shifts and I managed to go to sainsburys and then felt shattered so spent the rest of the day laid on the settee doing nothing. Feel like I'm wasting my weekends and am in bed by 9.30! Spoke to dh on phone and just burst into tears so he's suggested I go to docs to see if there's anything I can do. I think it's all down to early starts at work and waking up for at least an hour and sometimes hours through the night without fail. Sorry to moan but really feeling fed up today. X

misskatamari Sat 07-Sep-13 22:04:37

Awww so glad you had a lovely day somany. It's good your sickness is starting to get a bit better too smile

Sassy, sorry you're feeling so down. I'm the same with the night time waking and it is so frustrating. Spend all day knackered and then wide awake in the middle of the night. I find badger temple balm for sleep helps abit when it comes to relaxing and sleeping - not sure if its something were not supposed to use but I do bung it on and sniff some lavender when I'm feeling particularly crappy. I hope you manage to sleep a bit better tonight. I'm off to bed now I think and fingers crossed I sleep through - although I've been drinking loads of water tonight so will no doubt be up weeing every 20 mins!

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Novascotia33 Sat 07-Sep-13 22:17:22

Poppy - sorry just saw your message.

Yes you're right it will bring down your gross pay, but on what you earn/how much childcare vouchers you do/and how long you plan to take off, it may or may not be worth it. You have to do the sums I guess.

I work for myself now, so it's all irrelevant as you cannot get them until you become a limited company (which I am not).

Anyway, for me it was worth bringing down my gross salary by the amount taken off by childcare vouchers to have the benefit of having no adjustment to my months of only getting SMP, and a further 3 months off of getting no money at all, but still getting £243 a month in vouchers put in the account. So after 12 months off, I had £243 x 12, in my kiddivouchers account, it was almost 3k I think. However I had only lost out on 6 months worth of adjusted gross salary, which was about £200 a month off my salary (depends what tax bracket you're in I guess), but that was about £1200, so I was £1800 better off doing full vouchers. I actually put my amount up when I realised how much I'd make out of the deal, it's all based on your qualifying week, so you need to be giving that amount already, you cannot put it up after, only what you were sacrificing in your qualifying week will be honoured.

Hope that makes sense, I had the people from the daycare trust email me all the bumf about it, they were super helpful, as the company I worked for (a huge intl corporation) had no idea about it, and weren't too chuffed, however there was not a jot they could do as it's a nonworking benefit, same way as you cannot take somebodies company car off them during mat leave, because it's a non cash benefit.

Can send docs to you if you like, sorry if somebody else has already said this too.

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mrscookie78 Sat 07-Sep-13 23:27:50

I don't really have anything to add im afraid sad . I get paid sometimes by child care vouchers which works out well for my bosses.

my tummy stayed a little bit hairy after my lo, did fade but I knew it was there. grrr that was after my brown line disappeared. can't remember the name of it.

sorry your feeling down sassy? tiredness and hormones dont help, hope you feel better and the doctor or mw can help smile

mrscookie78 Sat 07-Sep-13 23:29:50

I vaguely remember me time champagne, yes definitely get lots of me time in now. Sorry to hear your still feeling rubbish. have you tried reflexology or anything else like that apart from your medication?

Sassy20 Sun 08-Sep-13 05:57:54

Thanks for the advice and support. I think it's hit me harder as pregnancy with dd was fine and I slept really well until towards the end when I just couldn't get comfy. I think part of it is also I feel like I'm letting her down as well as she has a grumpy and tired Mummy which isn't at all fair on her. Work def doesn't help and they're just not the most supportive - to an extent until it starts to affect them in some negative way.

Hope everyone else is still asleep and wakes up feeling good today. X

Somanychanges Sun 08-Sep-13 06:52:38

Aw Sassy sorry you feeling so bad. I am also having moments of incredible tiredness I just go all zombie like, for me I try and ignore it until it gets to about 4pm and I feel like I am going to collapse. I said to my husband just last night "how will I get through another 4/5 months this tired?"

Do you think that maybe you could be low on iron? I know that's why I am so tired. Maybe ask for another blood test to check. Just enjoy the time to rest at your parents house, let them look after you. Don't worry about your little girl either you are giving her the gift of a sibling. It's hard being pregnant, feeling crap and being a mum too. I felt really guilty when I went through the worst of my HG too. It's hard not to, but just remember you are a good mum and all the crap feelings that come with pregnancy are only temporary. I hope you manage to get back to sleep and have a lovey day of rest. Here is a big virtual hug.

Sassy20 Sun 08-Sep-13 07:04:48

Thanks Somany. I wondered about my iron levels but mw said they're fine but that was going off blood tests I had done at 13 weeks and I guess it can change in 3 1/2 weeks so might go to docs and ask them to check again. Starting to feel like asking doc to sign me off for a week just to try and get myself turned around a bit as at the moment just seem to be piling tiredness on top of tiredness! This is the last time I'm doing this as we've said we're stopping at two children so want to enjoy it and savour the experience of being pregnant not feel like this.

I feel bad enough like this so no idea how you and the others coped with HG as well. You must be tough cookies! smile X

vix206 Sun 08-Sep-13 07:53:25

Sassy I can't remember how many weeks you are now. When I was 15-18 weeks I felt horrendous. I was sure my iron levels must be low. I discussed it with the mw and she said my levels were above average and that I was underestimating how tiring it is being pregnant with a child to run after all the time. I also wasn't sleeping well as DS was waking multiple times in the night plus I had insomnia confused
Anyway, hit the magical 20 weeks and now I do feel fantastic. Aside from sciatica (which has been massively helped by deep tissue massage and reflexology) I feel better than I've done for a long time.

See the MW and hang in there. Your body is under so much pressure with all this change.

barebranches Sun 08-Sep-13 07:53:46

hi everyone sorry to read some people are having crap times and feel crap.... we are supposed to be blooming!!

ill join you... i keep getting awful back ache in the night. no position is comfortable sad any sleeping tips? eventually last night i stuffed a pillow under my back... miss sleeping on my front sad

vix206 Sun 08-Sep-13 08:05:31

Just to add Sassy, I've been in bed straight after DS most nights since falling pregnant. So I'm having no evenings at all as he goes to bed at 7!! I choose to look at it as my version of a luxurious lie in (not had one of those for 3.5 years!!grin) So you're not alone, and remember it is all so temporary. I know I feel very depressed when tired, so I prioritise sleep and do everything I can to get 7 -8 hours. Even though its very broken now, it makes a massive difference.

vix206 Sun 08-Sep-13 08:08:56

Barebranches it's the same for me with the back problems at night except mine shows up mostly as hip and leg pains. I just sleep with a pillow between my knees. It helps but doesn't cure it. It's a very common problem unfortunately.

I get some relief by sleeping on my back and I just prop a thin pillow under 1 hip so I'm not flat on my back but slightly tilted.

With DS I ended up sleeping sat up, im dreading that confusedconfused

rueyrichardson Sun 08-Sep-13 08:58:12

Morning all. Can't believe its Sunday already! The days are whizzing by. Sorry to hear of discomfort and stress. Have to say with this pregnancy I'm feeling it more than the last, although I seem to be on a carousel that doesn't stop so I don't get the chance to take stock and reflect, leading to tiredness hitting me hard and just needing to sleep there and then. DH is taking DS to rugby shortly and I will have 2 hours to myself, can't wait. Might even find time to post a bump pic on the FB page! I am huge, must have really terrible muscles grin

Thingymajigs Sun 08-Sep-13 09:11:56

oh God I'm exhausted. Pregnancy insomnia and a nasty case of restless leg syndrome mixed with looking after six 9/10 yo's for a sleepover party has finished me. Still two hours left before everyone leaves. Still, it was a great party. smile
Lots of sympathy for everyone struggling with sleep. You aren't alone, I'm averaging 2-3 hours sleep a night.

Sassy20 Sun 08-Sep-13 09:49:46

Sorry to hear lots of you are also struggling with sleep and back probs. I really hope we all improve soon.

Thanks Vix for words of encouragement - lets hope 20 weeks is the key to feeling better. I'm 16+5 now so only another 3 and a bit weeks. smile X

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vix206 Sun 08-Sep-13 10:07:42

Sassy 16-17 weeks was my worst point. Keep your chin up smile

212VIP Sun 08-Sep-13 10:30:00

Hi all
Can't believe how much I've missed!
Labyrinthitis wiped me out Gor several weeks but am up and running (as far as being HUGE at 18+3 will allow!) so will have a thorough catch up read shortly.
I'd really like to join the Facebook group but can't figure out how to pm. Can someone advise?
Or post a link? Or message me?

jazzcat28 Sun 08-Sep-13 10:43:53

212 if you click on my name you should be able to PM me - I need to have your email address you use for FB, then I can add you

marzipanned Sun 08-Sep-13 11:24:39

flowers and cake (for those who can manage it) to everyone feeling rotten.

vix, I really hope the 20 week mark is magical for all the rest of us too! smile

I had another really bad bout of vomiting last night and this time there was about 15ml of blood in it, unlike the few streaks the last couple of times. DH insisting I go to doctor, though not sure what they can really do.

I haven't been taking my meds except on my really bad days (maybe 3 days a week) so maybe the thing is just to take them every day and thereby try to stop the bad days from happening before they do?!

He's away for a week on business from Tues and I'm really terrified of being alone, pathetic I know.

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Somanychanges Sun 08-Sep-13 11:34:35

I am so upset! I am sick again today. I know I should just except it as I have HG after all. But every time I start to feel better I get so excited and think that I am finally turning a corner and then I'm sick again.

It probably didn't help that I was so busy reading MN threads( as my husband gave me the morning in bed whilst he deals with DC and tidying) that I forgot to take my medication until I noticed how sick I was feeling and then it was too late I had a vomiting session.

I don't know how those of you still being sick manage work. Although I did it myself in my first pregnancy, I remember many vomiting sessions in tube stations or on trains. blush
But I just don't think I could keep it up this time. Maybe having 2 full on DC has something to do with it.

So 11:30am and I am still in bed would usually be at church right now. I think I will get up and have a shower now and move to the sofa instead, it seems much less lazier than being in bed haha!

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marzipanned Sun 08-Sep-13 12:19:50

Mm, I'm going to go, to see what the doctor says about meds - if I am going to start taking them everyday again then I need a lot more prescribed!

somany I know how you feel too, though don't know how you have managed to look after two kids - well, since I quit my job, my hat completely goes off to anyone who copes with HG and either kids or work.
I'm also grateful that it's not as intense as it was, and every time I have a bad day I just keep my fingers really tightly crossed that this is the last one, or maybe the last one for a while...
Another good piece of advice someone gave me is think about how far you've come, not about far you've still to go. I've dealt with 13 weeks of this now, that seems like a good achievement!

winterflowers Sun 08-Sep-13 13:41:59

That's good some of u are planning to tack hols on the start of ML, hopefully I'll get my work to agree also.

Sorry to hear that ppl are still so sicky, mine is down a bit but I've found hip/back pain has taken over. Can't remember who else posted abt it but I also find sleeping surrounded by pillows really helps. Marzipanned you should def see the dr, they might be able to give u something to 'protect' your stomach from all the acid and tht might help?

misskatamari Sun 08-Sep-13 15:44:32

Sorry to hear so many of you ate still feeling horrible. Marzi definitely see the Doc and see if they can give you anything to help.

I managed to sleep last night which was amazing - just praying for the same tonight but its first day back teaching tomorrow so I always get abit nervous so who knows. Feeling a bit run down like I'm getting a cold so I'm knocking back the honey and lemon and then the gaviscon as I'm super acidy!

I know there's been lots of bra talk but can't remember where's good to get big maternity ones from? I know someone mentioned Matalan - is there anywhere else I should try? My boobs are going to break free of my current bras any day now so must invest in some new massive ones!

vix206 Sun 08-Sep-13 16:24:55

Missk I always buy Freya because I go to a Ff or G when pregnant and find the high street stores just don't measure properly and/or don't do my sizes. I'm a 32FF at the moment and mothercare tried to sell me a 36D!!

I get mine from the factory shop as its local to me (and they measure) but you can also go onto figleaves if you know your size. Otherwise it's independent bra shops or dept stores for Freya.

212VIP Sun 08-Sep-13 18:11:31

jazz it won't let me click on your name?
I can click on some (they're blue) but the rest are black...?

marzipanned Sun 08-Sep-13 18:16:25

Alright, calling the doctor first thing in the morning smile Thanks for the kick up the bum!

Good luck tomorrow missk - hopefully you can get some sleep tonight, but if not I'm sure you'll be utterly zonked tomorrow night.

I went and picked up my gumtree bundle today and have just spent a blissful ten minutes going through all the clothes. SO CUTE. And they all smell really nice - I know this is just the washing powder of the lady who sold them to me, but I think that smell will always mean 'baby' to me now smile Oh February, hurry up!!!

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jazzcat28 Sun 08-Sep-13 18:39:02

Hmm not sure then 212? Others have PMd me... No idea how they did it in that case!

I've had a totally crap day. Still ploughing away at dissertation - worked from 10-6 on it both yesterday and today. DH is stressed out over his redundancy consultation which starts Tuesday. He rolls out of bed at 1pm, I ask him if he could sort the ironing at some point today. Cue lots of shouting about how im being so demanding and can't I understand what he's going through.

I ended up ironing the basic stuff needed for work and we've ignored each other since he yelled. I admit I should have let him wake up a bit before starting on chores but it's a bit like well we are both stressed out and shattered but shouldn't we work together to help each other out? As it turns out he has played x box since 1. Nice for him.

I know this is a petty argument over ironing but in my pregnant hormonal state all that's going through my head is how the hell we will manage the exhaustion and stress which will come in February. I know things will seem better tomorrow but at the moment it's horrid.

misskatamari Sun 08-Sep-13 18:42:14

Thanks vix! Ill deffo get ordering some. Glad to hear you're feeling better too.

Champagne sorry you're feeling rough again hmm I hope you can manage to do some wfh soon so you don't have to face your mega commute and days at work.

Quick q about work and scan appointments. I've gotta request time off for my 20 week scan tomorrow as its at 3.20 so ill need to miss the last lesson of the day. On inset the head said that people won't be allowed to take unpaid leave etc and hospital appointments etc need booking outside school hours and now I'm worried they're gonna kick up a fuss. An I right that they have to let us attend pregnancy related appointments? A bit scared of asking but it's the 20 week scan - I need to bloody go to it!

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misskatamari Sun 08-Sep-13 19:12:17

Thanks champagne. They've let a guy in my dept out for navy stuff for a week as its allowed so I was hoping pregnancy stuff was the same. Phew smile

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Sassy20 Sun 08-Sep-13 19:32:30

Aww Jazz don't worry dh and I have those moments too when we're both knackered and stressed. I do think that men sometimes think they have the monopoly on being tired - hmmm - I'd love to see them experience just one day of exhaustion and nausea and being pregnant! It'll all be forgotten when you've both had a good sleep. X

marzipanned Sun 08-Sep-13 19:38:47

Oh jazzcat you poor thing. But I think you need to go in and tell him exactly what you've written here. You both have these horrible stresses on you at the moment and I'm sure things will be heaps better once the redundancy consultation and dissertation are both over. Hope you make it up and have a good evening together.

champagne I was reading that thread on newborn strategy, and all the no sleeping stuff, and I couldn't help thinking...but at least I won't feel sick! I think we need somany to judge for us - what's harder, HG or a newborn baby?!

misskatamari Sun 08-Sep-13 19:42:56

Jazzcat sorry you're having a crappy day. I hate arguments like that. You know you're both stressed and that is making you more upset but just still feel so pissed off. I hope you guys manage to have a nice evening together and it will definitely all look better in the morning. Not long now and the dissertation will be but a distant memory x

misskatamari Sun 08-Sep-13 19:45:54

212VIP - i've sent the fb invite so hopefully you'll get it smile

misskatamari Sun 08-Sep-13 19:52:18

Oh my god I must be hormonal - I just welled up watching the "previously on project runway"!

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littlestgirlguide Sun 08-Sep-13 19:57:44

Hello everyone!
Trying to relax before returning to the pit of stress that is work tomorrow. Baking this afternoon followed by a nice bubble bath. I'm so grateful I've not been feeling so I'll like some of you ladies, I don't think I would be able to manage work and being ill right now.
A shopping question for you all.
A lady on a local FB sellers group has a Doppler for sale at £25. It's not one of the cheap ones off amazon, I've looke the brand up and it's over £100 new. Shall I buy it? Is it worth it? I downloaded the iPhone app, but I think it's too early, all I can hear is my own heartbeat.
There was going to be a second question but my addled brain can't remember it now confused

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DawnOfTheDee Sun 08-Sep-13 20:04:37

misskat I'm now in tears at the thought i have been missing project runway! What channel is it one? I can't fecking find it....

littlestgirlguide Sun 08-Sep-13 20:05:42

*ill, not I'll. Bloody iPhone.
17+5 today by the way.

Also, Jazzcat, my sympathies - my DH does the silent treatment row very very well. It's awful. Sometimes I wish he would just throw something and yell and clear the air. It's all stress, for both of you. Not long now and the dissertation will be finished with and the redundancy consultation over and even if that's bad news at least you will know and be able to plan for the future.
In my experience (having never suffered from anything more than very mild nausea in pregnancy!) we are amazing when we have a child to care for. Everything has a reward - spending all night awake with a crying baby is rewarded with sleep in the end, and you can get through because you know you will get that reward - a smile, a sleeping baby, that burst of pride when they do something new, these things will pull you through the early sleepless nights. It is all SO worth it :-)

misskatamari Sun 08-Sep-13 20:10:06

Littlest - I'd say if the reviews are good for it then it's a good deal smile I've got the angels sounds 20 quid one which I've had no problems with tho if you did want to spend a bit less.

Dawn - alas DH has downloaded it from America. I love it so much! Had never watched it and made DH download all of them last year and now I'm up to date and watching the new one. I love Tim Gunn! I found out today there's gonna be a new all stars series too which I'm so excited about! grin

jazzcat28 Sun 08-Sep-13 20:10:44

Thanks guys, reading your kind words just tipped me over the edge and released full on preggo tears! We are kinda speaking again after DH decided to break the silence but the end isn't in sight for him. My deadline is Friday so once that's done I can chill more

EeyoreIsh Sun 08-Sep-13 20:29:22

evening all

sorry to hear some of you are still feeling/being sick. It must be so exhausting.

I've had a busy weekend and I'm tucked up in bed already. I spent most of yesterday cleaning the house... the nesting urge has come early grin then we went blackberry picking, followed by dinner with my SIL. Then today I spent time at a zoo with my nephew and SIL. It was great fun, we see our nephew infrequently do it was lovely to spend time with him.

I'm 19 weeks today and bump is still pretty small and no movements. I'm starting to worry, I'd like the reassurance of movement.

I hope we all have amazing night's sleeps! zzZ grin

DawnOfTheDee Sun 08-Sep-13 20:39:51

I love the zoo EeyoreIsh! Sounds like you've had a lovely weekend smile

Don't worry too much about the movements - do you know if you have an anterior placenta? I did last time and didn't properly feel movement till after 20 weeks. Everyone's different - I was talking to a friend at work who said she didn't really feel any movement right the way through...think it was just the way she carried, etc.
If you're ever really worried though just phone your mw or hospital and they'll advise/whizz you in a for a check.

laura0007 Sun 08-Sep-13 22:09:43

Hope you've all had a good weekend. Sorry to hear some of you are still feeling poorly. I've hit a whole new level of tiredness now confused and with it comes the uncontrollable sobbing! Argh, I thought we were meant to love pregnancy. So far I 80% bloody hate it. It's times like this I wish I had an oh to take it out on!!!!!

Somanychanges Sun 08-Sep-13 22:20:55

Haha marzi & champagne you will be glad to know I found having a newborn much easier than dealing with HG. Not that having a new born was easy because night feeds when I just didn't know how I could keep my eyes open to feed made me cry. But having HG makes you feel like you are dying at its worst and having a newborn is beautiful. Even though I was tired I was still able to get out of the house meet friends go to baby groups and go for walks. With HG you end up bed bound. So ladies if you can deal with HG you can easily cope with sleepless nights of a newborn.

I am getting a but worried though about how tired I will be as first time around I could sleep in day when baby slept. Second time around Dd was 21 months when I had DS so she still had a nap in the afternoon. This time around I have a daughter who starts school at 8am and a son who is so very challenging. I do wonder what came over DH and I when we decided to have another one.

jazz sorry about your situation with DH it's really upsetting I bet. Sounds like you are both under a lot of pressure. I hope he comes out of his mood soon and gives you a big hug.

barebranches Mon 09-Sep-13 06:09:01

aaahhh backache all night sad i dont think i can deal with this for the next 6 months..... sad sad sad

Thingymajigs Mon 09-Sep-13 06:55:58

So sorry to hear everyone is having a rough time of it. Hopefully this is just a period of adjustment and we'll all soon be blooming. Or maybe not.
I actually slept last night! Dp folded up a duvet to help separate my legs while I slept which cut down restless leg syndrome issues. After weeks of managing on 2 hours sleep a night I feel amazing today. I now need to apologise to my family for shouting at them yesterday. blush

Sassy20 Mon 09-Sep-13 07:04:48

Bare - maybe try and get a referral to a physio who specialises in preg back ache - I think my friend saw one during her pregnancy.

Thingy - glad you had a good night. Let's hope it's the first of many.

Mine was another crappy night. Went to sleep at about 10pm only to wake up at 00.30 and then couldn't get back to sleep till 3 only to wake up again a couple more times. Woke up at 6.45 and now waiting to phone work to say not coming in today and then try and get docs appt when they open at 8. Can't cope on this lack of sleep with dd and work so I'm afraid work is going to have to give for a few days till I feel human again. X

Shropshiremummy2B Mon 09-Sep-13 07:15:32

Another terrible night here too.... Have such a sore throat which kept waking me up. At 4am I caved and had a couple of swigs of cough medicine. At 5am I woke again and looked at the bottle 'do not take if pregnant or breast feeding'. Needless to say I haven't slept since with worry. My eyes are stinging like buggery. Euuggghhhh.

Sassy20 Mon 09-Sep-13 07:39:03

Shropshire - I wouldn't worry too much if its just a couple of swigs of it. I think it's more if you had a load of it and also more in the first trimester. I'm sure you're not the first person to do it. Hope your throat is better soon - lots of hot water, honey and lemon. X

vix206 Mon 09-Sep-13 08:17:41

I had backache + leg cramps all night too. It's no fun but you do get accustomed to having less sleep in the end. wink I think it's mother natures way of easing you in to the newborn no sleep madness!

im joining in with the back/bum pain. I had it last pg too and just like now it started at 16wks. I was hoping I wouldnt get it this time but apparently it gets worse with each pg shock I am definitely going to mention it to the mw this time though (I paid for a lot of chiropractic sessions last time which didnt work).
I had a pg massage last time and it was AMAZING and really eased the pain. shame I was 36w before I discovered this! in that spirit I made dh massage my bum last night and it did help a bit grin im going to see if I can book in some more for this pg.

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marzipanned Mon 09-Sep-13 10:17:51

somany thank you for the reassurance. It does sound like it's going to be tough for you when little one arrives, but you will make it work - Mums always do, right? Are you close enough with either your or DH's Mum (or another family member) that they could come and stay for the first couple of months to help you with things like school run, nappies, etc?

shropshire worry not, the medicine prescribed for my HG has 'do not take while pregnant or breastfeeding' on it <need a 'sigh' emoticon>

marzipanned Mon 09-Sep-13 10:20:28

champagne I had awful cramping after Saturday night's sickness bout, it's gone now but I was up a lot last night with nausea. I'm insisting on having the window open but it is now REALLY cold here at night (bliss!) so every time I grabbed the sick bucket I had to try to maneuver between DH curled up as tightly as poss and the cat - oh the joys of cold air though, was thinking back on the dreadfulness of July and this is sooo much better.

vix206 Mon 09-Sep-13 10:39:36

I paid a fortune on a chiropractor last time for the back/bum/leg pain. Did nothing. Massage definitely the way to go.

My therapist gave me a tip for sciatic pain. Get a tennis ball and sit on it or put it between you and a wall and roll it around the point where the pain comes from. It's a tough place to reach but I've found it really helpful.

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winterflowers Mon 09-Sep-13 11:36:36

I hear you laura am exactly the same. When I feel really low I try and force myself out of the house for a bit else I think I'd be surgically attached to tissues and my bed. But it's getting harder now that walking is so painful.

My dr referred me to a physio for the back/hip pain but otherwise was pretty useless, think she said 'unfortunately for you it'll only get worse' l. Nice and reassuring! So maybe will try and find a pregnancy massage, feel like we should be able to treat ourselves after everything we've been thru.

Shropshire don't worry abt the cough meds, like everyone said it's not like you were downing it. They give so much advice to be on the safe side these days.

And marzi such a good point abt the colder weather being nicer... do think we are looking lucky in some ways with winter babies and don't have to be humongous in the heat smile

SugarMiceInTheRain Mon 09-Sep-13 12:35:08

Hello all! Just checking in. Sorry to hear about all the hip/ back pain some of you are suffering from. I've had more than my fair share of that and am dreading the (inevitable for me) onset of SPD in this pregnancy - with DS1, I couldn't walk with it, only shuffle. :-(

Having thought my sickness was over, I was very sick last night - though more due to my sensitive gag reflex which has gone into overdrive due to pregnancy. Tried to take paracetamol for a cracking headache and ended up being more sick than I've been in a couple of weeks. Urgh.

I appear to be having some kind of early nesting instinct - Saturday before I had to work I sorted out all the boys' clothes (even with DH helping this took 3 hours) - cleared out the wardrobe in what will be the nursery. Chucked out 2 bin bags of clothes for textile recycling, 2 bags into the loft, and one to a friend's son. Today I have decluttered and deep cleaned my bathroom - nearly a whole bin bag of rubbish/ half used lotions and potions/ mouldy bath toys have been chucked. Oh the shame blush It took nearly 3 hours to declutter and clean the bathroom - how is that even possible? It's the smallest room in the house!! Am knackered now and have just rewarded myself with a nutella hot chocolate grin I am itching to get on to the next declutter and clean project (believe me I have a long list!) but I'm too tired. Grrrr.

Shropshiremummy2B Mon 09-Sep-13 12:36:22

Thank you guys for your words of reassurance.

I feel so bad coming here to complain when apart from a sore throat I have nothing to complain about. I read all your posts thinking 'what the hell have I done right in life to deserve such a lovely pregnancy?'! I know I sound super smug, so apologies, but I keep thinking it was so easy to conceive, I feel fantastic, something must be about to go wrong.

littlestgirlguide Mon 09-Sep-13 12:45:59

Shropshire stop worrying!
They are so strict about meds these days, it's not like you had a whole bottle or anything.

I spent the morning today feeling horrifically sick, Boston through my interviews at work, till I realised that it was my non-maternity tights making me feel ill! So I popped out to buy some maternity ones in mothercare and now I feel loads better.

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Sassy20 Mon 09-Sep-13 13:14:55

Shropshire - don't worry about it, just enjoy it for the rest of us! smile

bugsyburge Mon 09-Sep-13 14:26:51

hi ladies,

I haven't been on all weekend so will catch up tonight but just wanted to ask a quick question.....

this weekend I was decorating for about 4hours.... we both used emulsion & then I did the glossing. I've just looked online & I'm now worrying about my exposure to gloss paint.....am I over-reacting?

please help!!!

EeyoreIsh Mon 09-Sep-13 14:48:14

Don't worry bugsy, ideally you wouldn't use gloss paint but one day of exposure isn't too bad. I assume you kept the room well ventilated? If you're going to do more painting, try using satin finish gloss with low voc. That's what I'm making DH use!

I'm trying to have a quick nap as I'm so tired but indigestion keeping me awake. And now I have to get back to work angry

Shropshire dont worry about medicines. my bff is a hospital pharmacist and she said it says not suitable for pg/bf on everything due to ethical grounds. my dr gave me some anti sickness pills post pg but said I would have to give up bf, when I checked them with my friend it turns out that they are also given to women to increase breast milk supply grin shock

off to Google pregnancy massage now as the place I had it before has closed down sad

Milkandtwo Mon 09-Sep-13 15:33:55

hang on... NUTELLA hot chocolate?!!! Where? HOW? Sugarmice please tell me now!

bugsy I've been glossing away for days - that doesn't mean it's ideal mind, but I've not been worrying unduly about it. But then I've also been up a ladder stripping wallpaper, lugging furniture about, taking bags and boxes up a loft ladder etc. Not very good at being pregnant generally! I'd dearly love to put my feet up but then sod all would ever get done around here. (which was actually the catalyst for a big row this morning that saw me on a wet park bench at 8am crying like a maniac in front of droves of commuters. For shame.)

Sassy20 Mon 09-Sep-13 15:39:29

Been to the docs and has signed me off work for two weeks. I just feel immense relief that I now only have to cope with looking after dd and growing a baby whilst getting very little sleep. X

laura0007 Mon 09-Sep-13 15:57:11

I LOVE Nutella!!! Tell me also where is it from?!?!?shock

jazzcat28 Mon 09-Sep-13 16:00:14

Second the Nutella hot choc!

Also saw a 1 cup choc cake recipe mentioned on another MN thread which can make a choc cake in a mug in the microwave:

4tbsp self raising flour
4tbsp sugar
2tbsp cocoa
1 egg
3tbsp milk
3tbsp oil
3tbsp choc chips (optional)
Splash vanilla extract

1. Mix dry ingredients in a large mug. Add egg and mix well.
2. Pour in milk and oil and mix well. Add choc chips (if using) and vanilla extract and mix again.
3. Put mug in microwave, cook for 3mins at high/1000w. The cake will rise over the top of the mug but don't worry! Allow to cool a little before turning onto a plate.

NB: the recipe should serve 2 people!

I have yet to try it but it was entitled 'the most dangerous cake recipe in the world' as it allows people to be 5 mins away from chocolate cake at all times!!!

Am gonna give it a whirl tonight...

tinypolkadot Mon 09-Sep-13 16:37:30

Oh jazzcat that sounds amazing! You have to post a picture of it if you’re going to make it. Sounds like it would be heavenly with some cream poured on top too! I am loving the cake and chocolate at the minute, normal healthy food doesn’t really get a look in.

It’s national cupcake week next week and I’ve got the whole office baking cupcakes! I’ve drawn up a rota so there’s not one day we’ll be cupcake-less. Little do they know it’s just so I can indulge my need for cake grin

Glad you’ve got some time off work to recover Sassy

Bit of a quiet weekend for us, sorting out our junk ready for the move in a couple of weeks. I did manage to bake a batch of cookies and a cake though to keep me going through the week grin but nothing as glamorous as the amazing cakes on the fb group! I am very impressed with those!

Another one who is loving the cool nights. Last night was the first night in a long time where I’ve actually snuggled into my duvet and didn’t throw it off once. Bliss.

Totally agree that this summer has been grim and I’m glad to see the back of it. I have too many associations of sickness, smells, bad experiences etc. Summer 2013 is going down as one of my worst in history! Now I can’t wait for snugly clothes, woolly socks, hot choc, warm pj’s and stodgy dinners (and xmas of course – no more work!).

I’m feeling huge today. My belly button hurts and I’m wearing a new jumper which makes me look even bigger. Apparently it’s a maternity top but I can’t see where the bump’s going to go! The front is actually shorter than the back confused maybe I’ve got it on the wrong way round hmm

I think I’ve been feeling the bean doing summersaults, but not sure. Looking forward to getting some proper kicks!

18+6 today (we’re practically half way through ladies!)

Sorry for the epic post blush

marzipanned Mon 09-Sep-13 16:50:05

Oh I'm with you tiny, this summer was even worse for me than the summer when my Mum died, which I feel awful saying given that this summer I've been growing my first baby which should be an amazing enough thing to counteract all the grim-ness.

This morning I had two really strong twitches in my lower abdomen - could that be baby moving?! I have no idea. I'm 19 weeks tomorrow so feel like it should be happening now or soon!

laura0007 Mon 09-Sep-13 16:58:25

Still thinking of Nutella here! Just remembering my breakfast, lunch and tea on holiday in Mallorca of Nutella ice cream! grin Yum yum

tinypolkadot Mon 09-Sep-13 17:06:34

Sorry to hear about your mum marzi flowers I know what you mean about being pregnant being enough to counter-balance the awfulness, I feel bad thinking about how awful the summer has been but hopefully we can enjoy the rest of our pregnancies soon.

I was only ever allowed a dollop of nutella with my ice-cream when I was a kid – how mean! Now I have it on toast and sometimes just straight out of the jar

misskatamari Mon 09-Sep-13 17:25:20

Oooh jazzcat that recipe looks fab! I keep wanting to bake but can't be arsed but surely I can manage a microwave quickie cake smile. National cupcake week too - hopefully I will get my baking mojo back this weekend and make some yummy things for next week! Mmmm maybe red velvet with cream cheese frosting!

Sorry so many people are suffering with no sleep and acheyness. I'm joining the achey club today after being back teaching and being on my feet all day. Got a sore bump cheek and sore shoulders too so am definitely gonna look up pregnancy massage or see if my Physio massage lady and accommodate me now I can't lie on my belly!

God my bottom set class ended up having even more nutters in today - but luckily they weren't too bad. Drug lord even took his earring out so I'm just praying they stay relatively manageable! I'm hoping after I've had my 20 week scan next Monday ill feel more okay about telling people and can use the "be good the baby is sleeping" on them!

Sassy - so glad the doctor has signed you off, the rest will do you the world of good smile

Right time to cook tea and probably pass out by 9 o'clock!

marzipanned Mon 09-Sep-13 17:36:26

Aw thanks tiny, it was a long time ago and I just feel sad about it at the moment as she would've been so excited to be a grandma.

But on the topic of Nutella, she used to make us something which I'll definitely be doing for my kids - Nutella sandwiches in the toastie maker. With marshmallows/smarties/other little add-ins if we were particularly lucky. Sooo good.

misskatamari Mon 09-Sep-13 17:44:45

Sorry to hear you're feeling a bit down marzipanned. I think it's natural to feel that way as you would obviously love to share all this with your mum and have her as a grandma. Her Nutella sandwiches sound absolutely amazing tho! I will definitely be giving those a go grin

marzipanned Mon 09-Sep-13 17:49:26

Thanks missk smile Glad your first day back wasn't entirely horrific - love the thought of your very own drug lord, though I'm sure the reality is somewhat less entertaining!

misskatamari Mon 09-Sep-13 17:55:16

Lol - he's just a bit of a weed fiend - although I think he might have quit now. He was quite hyper today so deffo not stoned lol!

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EeyoreIsh Mon 09-Sep-13 18:42:07

milk I'll be stripping wallpaper next weekend... We won't actually be painting the hallway and other room for two months yet, but I want to do it before the bump gets too large. In one room there's two layers of lining paper over vinyl fake brick wallpaper! I think bare plaster might look better. In the hallway it's woodchip wallpaper on the walls and ceiling. Sigh.

I've got about two kg of blackberries in the fridge but no energy to do anything with them. Any ideas?!

CubanoHabana Mon 09-Sep-13 18:56:18

Marzipan that Nutella toaster sounds amazing! We lost our toasty maker when we moved and planned to get a new one, as recently I have been craving cheese and ham toastys... Will have to get one now just for the Nutella toastys!

CubanoHabana Mon 09-Sep-13 18:57:20

My resident drug lord also seemed very good today in lesson... His friend has moved school and hoping he has turned over a new leaf! Can only wait and see!

CubanoHabana Mon 09-Sep-13 18:59:02

Also, was emailed this... Wonder how true it is?

Here are some surprising and popular myths when it comes to predicting your baby's gender.

You're more likely to be carrying a boy if...
You're carrying low.
You're blooming in pregnancy.
You didn't suffer from morning sickness in your first trimester.
Your right breast is bigger than your left.
You look at yourself in the mirror for at least a minute and your pupils dilate.
You crave salty food or protein, such as cheese and meat.
Your feet become cold more quickly than before you were pregnant.
You tie your wedding ring to some thread, hang it over your stomach and it moves in circles.
Your skin becomes dry.
You combine your age at the time of conception with the number of the month you conceived and the resulting number is even.
Your hair has become more full-bodied and shiny during pregnancy.
The hair on your legs has been growing faster during pregnancy.
You are more prone to headaches.
Your pillow faces north when you sleep.
You're asked to show your hands and you present them palms down.
You lie on your left side when sleeping.
Your urine is bright yellow.
You were the more aggressive partner during love-making when you conceived.
You eat a clove of garlic and the smell seeps out of your pores.
Your previous child's first word was "dada".

You're more likely to be having a girl if...

Your baby's heartbeat is faster than 140 beats per minute.
You're carrying all round.
You're carrying high.
You've missed the "blooming" period altogether.
You suffered morning sickness during your first 12 weeks.
Your left breast is bigger than your right.
You look at yourself in the mirror for at least a minute, but your pupils don't dilate.
You crave sweet things, such as juice, fruit and sweets.
You tie your wedding ring to some thread, hang it over your stomach and it swings from side to side.
Your skin is soft.
You are more moody than usual.
You're asked to show your hands and you present them palms up.
You were the less aggressive partner during love-making when you conceived.
You eat a clove of garlic, but you don't smell of it.
You combine your age at the time of conception with the number of the month you conceived and the resulting number is odd.
Your hair has become thinner and dull during pregnancy.
You lie on your right side when sleeping.
Your pillow faces south when you sleep.
Your urine is dull yellow.
Your previous child's first word was "mama".

Littleen Mon 09-Sep-13 19:04:34

Sorry to hear so many are struggling - but it's kinda reassuring too. I feel so depressed with hormones + bipolar chucked in to the mix, and for some reason my OCD is going utterly mental. It is so tiring, never been this bad, so it's got to be the pregnancy! Convinced 100% of not having more than 2 kids now :P

About the bum/hip pain, I have had that for a few years actually, although it certainly has come back in the last few weeks. Really heavyhanded bum massage helps, as often it can be tight (and I mean really tight) muscles that are causing the pain. I used to go to an amazing physio in Essex, which really helped, but didn't remove the issue - it keeps coming back. Chiro which can help for loads of things doesn't seem to have anything to do with that particular pain to do, so wouldn't go for that. But yes :P deep tissue bum massage all the way!

Make blueberry jam and blueberry tart, and pancakes with blueberries on!

Littleen Mon 09-Sep-13 19:11:47

B You're carrying low. (Little One's heartbeat was found for a brief second right by my pelvic bone today!)

G You've missed the "blooming" period altogether.
G You suffered morning sickness during your first 12 weeks.
? Boobs have not changed size yet
G You look at yourself in the mirror for at least a minute, but your pupils don't dilate.
G You crave sweet things, such as juice, fruit and sweets.
B You combine your age at the time of conception with the number of the month you conceived and the resulting number is even.
B You are more prone to headaches.
G Your skin is soft.
G You are more moody than usual.
G You were the less aggressive partner during love-making when you conceived. (tmi, sorry :p )

So most likely a girl, or dreads a crossgender confused child! Oh dear !

DawnOfTheDee Mon 09-Sep-13 19:13:21

Just wanted to share this....DH was getting DD ready for bed and before taking her up came over so I could give her a kiss which she rarely does but I like to plant one on her sweet round head anyway then said "Are you going to say night night to the didi (what she calls babies)" and DD kissed my tummy, patted it gently, waved and said "Night night!"

Aw just writing that made me tear up smile

vix206 Mon 09-Sep-13 19:17:58

Ah Dawn that's sweet. DS likes to kiss my tummy and told the cat to 'get off my sister' yesterday when she sat on my lap grin

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EeyoreIsh Mon 09-Sep-13 19:40:32

mmmn muffins sounds good. I'm thinking jam and then something baked. tarts would be amazing but I won't have the energy to make gluten free pastry after work tmw sad I might do muffins because they're so easy.

Or crumble. I love crumble.

Would it be bad to eat crumble for dinner? grin

tinypolkadot Mon 09-Sep-13 19:43:15

This is what I make with blackberries, it's very good!


EeyoreIsh Mon 09-Sep-13 19:45:16

oooh that sounds nice too. So the plan is jam, loaf and muffins grin my kitchen aid will be overworked tomorrow and my work overfed on Wednesday!

misskatamari Mon 09-Sep-13 19:51:16

Sounds super yummy Eeyore! Very jealous grin

ch1134 Mon 09-Sep-13 20:03:02

Really sorry some are feeling pants. I really can't complain. I feel pretty much like me, maybe a little more tired than usual, with a round belly that kicks from the inside...
Of all the boy/ girl indicators I've only noticed one or two - no sickness but no blooming - and much keener for sweet foods... so can't be sure (and won't be finding out yet either!)
Just had a text from a friend saying she's 8 weeks pregnant. Funny as I hadn't yet told her I'm 20 weeks! Haven't been brilliant at sharing the news - can't work out how to drop the bomb at work - to colleagues and students... I decided to keep it quiet til after 20 week scan, which will be Weds, but think it may be becoming 'the elephant in the room'! Hard to hide but hard to drop into conversation! Looking forward to it being common knowledge though.
Hope you all start feeling better soon.

Have you tried blackberry crumble muffins? My local bakery make them and they are heavenly!

littlestgirlguide Mon 09-Sep-13 20:08:00

Mine is another cross gender child according to that!

I've got 9lb of blackberries from last weekend in my freezer awaiting being turned into wine. Also 12lb of raspberries from the PYO farm for gin and jam. Just waiting for sloes (for gin) and damsons (for wine and jam) to be ready now! It's no wonder I'm tired.

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EeyoreIsh Mon 09-Sep-13 20:08:22

Oh petty they sound amazing!

amicusapple Mon 09-Sep-13 20:14:55

Just checking in with a scan update. All perfect today at the anomaly scan so the previous scare is well and truly behind us smile

We're staying team yellow so no big reveal I'm afraid.


Sassy20 Mon 09-Sep-13 20:29:55

Great to hear that all is ok Amicus x

Somanychanges Mon 09-Sep-13 20:47:09

Ok who lives near by me and is making cakes? You have all made me so hungry and now I am just daydreaming of cakes and muffins. I have absolutely zero energy for baking but I might have to give that microwave one a try.

I have doubled my iron dose now. I am not sure if I am allowed to do that I might have to check with the doctor. But I am so exhausted by about 4pm each day I feel like I am about to drop down dead. Unfortunately it is my busiest time, picking up DD from school, making dinner, homework, bathing children, bedtime stories and then my DD does everything she possibly can think of to avoid going to sleep.

Does anyone else that is this tired feel a bit guilty about the lack of time spent with your DH. Once my DH gets home from work he is usually just in time to help with bed time. Then once DC are in bed I have to go to bed to lie down. I feel like we never get that time we used to have in the evenings because I am just too tired these days.

Ooh my baby has just woken up and is jumping around as I write this. I am carrying this one much higher up than my other two. Even from 10wks the doctor was surprised how high my womb was and asked if I was having twins. All the times I have had heart beat found with Doppler it is quite high also. Maybe I am having and extra large baby. I hope not! My husband was a 10lb baby. Probably lucky both my two were prem as I do not fancy giving birth to a baby that big.

Sassy so glad you have been given time off work. I hope you feel better after some rest.

LittlePandaBear Mon 09-Sep-13 20:59:57

Hi everyone,

Have been catching up on the thread - normally by the time I've caught up I've run out of time to post anything myself!

Great news on the latest scans, still waiting for mine at the end of September. Sorry also to those feeling poorly, all I can say is that it really will be worth it in the end so stay positive and get whatever help you can.

Love the boy/girl myths. I think mine are about 50/50 so either it's a load of rubbish or I'm having a he-she confused. I had a dream last night that I was having a girl, told all the family and everyone was upset as they wanted me to have a boy, so I had to keep apologising. I also dreamt last night that I missed my train to work, and I really did miss it this morning, so now am thinking that maybe the baby part will become true too! I'd be happy with another girl or a boy but don't want my family to be disappointed either way (I'm sure they won't!).

More people at my work know now - one guy came up to me today in my large public open plan office and said 'when's it due then' whilst looking at my tummy. I don't really mind people knowing now as I think it's pretty obvious looking at me but it forced me into telling the guy sat next to me too! Apparently another guy guessed after seeing me talking to two of my friends in an office one after the other a few weeks ago! Hate office gossip! The good news is that my boss is thinking about poaching another guy in the office to cover my maternity role who I like so will feel reassured that all will be left in good hands, and that I will also have a job to come back to. His birthday is also the same as my due date so it's fate!

I'm feeling really well at the moment but I have really itchy boobs a lot of the time! Does anyone else get that? It's like that regardless of what bra I wear and is impossible to itch in public! blush

EeyoreIsh Mon 09-Sep-13 21:00:07

we need to have a Feb babies baking meet up, shame we're all so scattered across the country.

bedtime for me soon. I've decided 9 pm is the bedtime for me grin

LittlePandaBear Mon 09-Sep-13 21:03:13

I'm rubbiish at baking, but am good at the eating bit cake

Sassy20 Mon 09-Sep-13 21:35:24

Somany - I feel guilty about lack of energy I have to do interesting things with my dd. My dh is resigned to the fact that I've no energy for anything but luckily/unluckily he works shifts so often isn't in on an evening which is bad in one way - no help with dd bath and bed etc but good in another - I can watch as much Corrie etc as I want once got dd to bed! smile I've also made him sleep in spare room at moment as he keeps waking me and vice versa! X

LovesToBake Mon 09-Sep-13 21:40:00

Somanychanges I know exactly what you mean about feeling like you're abandoning your DH a bit. Once I've managed work, commute, nursery pick up, bath/bedtime for DS (and all on top of his delightful early bird days starting at 5:30am), I'm ready to crash. I'm hopeless with getting food sorted for me and DH at the moment (the sickness makes it hard to food shop and I even struggle trying to focus on doing an Ocado order without feeling queasy) so often have to text him to pick bits up from the shop on the way home. Then I'm no company after we eat - just lounge for a bit then head to bed (where I am now - this is way past my current bedtime so must get to sleep!)

SugarMiceInTheRain Mon 09-Sep-13 22:06:44

milkandtwo , laura & jazzcat Nutella hot chocolate is the easiest thing in the world. Heat a mug of milk in the microwave or on the hob if you prefer, then stir in about a tablespoon of nutella until it's all melted and mixed in. Divine. I'm guiltily looking at the large almost-empty nutella jar which I have single handedly consumed over the past couple of weeks.... blush

I'm loving the sound of blackberry crumble cakes. However, I have a shedload of cooking apples to use, from my friend's garden, so need to make something with them.

I need to go to bed now, all my cleaning today has worn me out! Plus my mum has come to stay, though she's a fantastic help and generally makes life easier, though I feel like I have to eat at normal-ish times instead of my usual grazing grin

Zazou1 Mon 09-Sep-13 22:33:27

Just checking in-been on hols for a couple of weeks so will take me ages to catch up as theres a new thread snd everything! Will try and post a bump pic too as seems to have massively grown in the last week!

Got a bit of a cold I think from flight home which is rubbish and still soooo tired and have headaches but no more sickness-yay!!
20 week scan next Fri and can't wait!


laura0007 Mon 09-Sep-13 22:38:52

Sugar you are my new hero I actually could kiss you right now grin.... wanders off to the kitchen in search of milk and Nutella

Camwombat Mon 09-Sep-13 22:39:28

A baking meetup, excellent idea. Those that don't bake can just eat!

I'm sitting here trying to stay awake and converse with DH when I'd really like to go to bed, as DS isnt sleeping great at moment so is coming in with us at silly o'clock. last night he was a whinging fidget bum too. DS not DH.

I had also forgotten the joys of heartburn and indigestion, back to the big boxes of rennies then.

SugarMiceInTheRain Tue 10-Sep-13 00:22:57

Loving the idea of a baking meet up :-)

vix206 Tue 10-Sep-13 07:17:48

Ugh up since 3.30 because DS had nightmares again and needed me in with him confused So tired!!

Thisisfreakingmeout Tue 10-Sep-13 07:56:24

I am impressed with anyone still i the closet. My outfit yesterday made me look about 7 months along and people at work seemed to find it fascinating how much the bulge had grown!

Are you bakers into Great British Bake Off? It is mine and DH's date night! We take turns picking up some cake and watch GBBO together. Then wish we had more cake! (We are so rock and roll)

19+3 (and desperate for my scan on Monday!)

winterflowers Tue 10-Sep-13 08:32:14

I would definitely be in the eating team if we had a baking meet up.

Sugar, I had a gazillion apples and just made a huge batch of apple sauce. I've found it's a really nice snack and I made enough to freeze.

I still haven't told my work as yet as really wanted to wait for the 20wk scan but I actually have a bump now (16+1) so think an outing is imminent. There's another girl in our team pg tho and we are still understaffed so not sure how it will go down...

laura0007 Tue 10-Sep-13 08:50:50

My 20 weeks scan is one week today! The next 7 days are going to dragggg! Then ill hopefully know team blue or pink (but I know it's team blue in my head!)
Baking meet up sounds great! I can bake when I can be bothered so maybe ill just stick to the eating side!

Thingymajigs Tue 10-Sep-13 09:13:36

I'll be the cheesecake taster!
I'm also very impressed with those keeping their pregnancy a secret. I feel massive, but probably just look like I'm quite fat tbh.
My scan is in the 20th when I'll be 20+4 or 5, I'm never quite sure. Either way I'll be desperate to see the baby by then. Can't wait to see more of the scan updates.

Littleen Tue 10-Sep-13 09:49:50

I love baking, and also Great British Bake Off - which I haven't seen that much of, but reaaally enjoy ^^
Still not looking that pregnant, little bit jealous at you guys! :P

jazzcat28 Tue 10-Sep-13 10:09:06

Cake in a mug epic fail last night - no self raising flour! I'm going to go to the shop tonight and make it later for GBBO viewing. I shall post a pic to FB of whatever it turns out like!

I decided to work from home today to aid the tiredness levels and only told one of my team my plans. Today I've been bombarded with texts and emails 'are you ok? you haven't come in, are you feeling unwell?' Everyone seemingly very concerned about me and bump! Makes me feel a bit loved.

Had my response from HR dept re taking annual leave at start of ML. They said it's not common policy for that to be done, most people put it on the end so they have more time with baby. But if I could agree a suitable arrangement with my line manager that would be ok. I definitely can't take the future bank holidays though, so it would just be annual leave entitlement.

So now am thinking take a few days off over Christmas, return to work 2nd Jan - 17th Jan, then take 2 weeks annual leave before starting ML. Means I'll be stopping work at 36 weeks but getting full pay up to 38 weeks.

Sassy20 Tue 10-Sep-13 10:52:23

Vix - hope you've been able to get some rest.

Jazz - glad you're a step closer to arranging your finish date. I hope my work doesn't take the same attitude on the leave before mat leave although I would lose the leave if not so don't think they'd be able to.

Thisis - I love great British bake off. Looking forward to the soggy bottoms this week! I'd def be on the eating team if we have a baking meet smile

Where do I sign up for eating cake grin

I was going to try the cake in a mug but didn't have any cream/ice cream to go with it and didn't think it would be right with out this! I have previously made microwave sponge pudding though, which again takes about 5 mins from scratch and you can chuck in jam or golden syrup - yum! Didn't have any custard in for this though. Harumph. DH wasn't even here to send to the shop so had to have a chocolate/cake free evening.

jayney86 Tue 10-Sep-13 12:40:33

Not had chance to catch up on this or the tail end of the last thread but want to pop in & say hello.
Bit crappy some are still feeling ill, I'm just feeling tired alot so not much to complain about. Slight bump but think I just look a little fat! Had my 16 week check yesterday all good, heard babies heart beat was nice & strong & definitely sounded like a train so confirming my thoughts of another DS smile!
Hope everyone has a good week & enjoy your scans if you have them grin x

jazzcat28 Tue 10-Sep-13 12:40:42

petty I'm craving all things autumnal and stodgy (had strudel and custard last night) - please tell me how to make a sponge pudding in the microwave?! I have a pudding bowl, ice cream, custard, jam and golden syrup all ready to go..

Still team yellow but all this stodge could indicate a boy...


Here is micorwave sponge pudding. I am always craving stodge. I am currently looking for lunch ideas from my colleagues. They havne't offered me anything carby enough yet

marzipanned Tue 10-Sep-13 13:01:39

Weirdly enough I've mainly gone off sweet stuff but am loving stodgy savoury stuff - risotto is in regular rotation at the moment.

petty I think you need a chicken pot pie right now, but what are your options? smile

tinypolkadot Tue 10-Sep-13 13:13:02

Currently enjoying a hot chocolate with 5 scoops! Mmmm. Top instant hot chocolate tip - mix a little bit of milk with the hot choc in the cup so it turns into a paste before adding water, it makes it lovely and creamy with no floaty lumpy bits.

Oh bugger, now I want chicken pot pie but I have just eaten an egg mayo baguette. I can have chicken pie for tea.

marzipanned Tue 10-Sep-13 14:31:21

petty if you can be bothered (maybe not tonight but at the weekend) this is absolutely delish:


marzipanned Tue 10-Sep-13 14:31:26

petty if you can be bothered (maybe not tonight but at the weekend) this is absolutely delish:


Milkandtwo Tue 10-Sep-13 17:29:30

First kicks felt today! 18+5. 3 sleeps until scan...

Milkandtwo Tue 10-Sep-13 17:30:14

...AND bake off tonight. Today is a good day. smile

misskatamari Tue 10-Sep-13 18:04:35

All this talk of yummy food is making me want cake and pudding so badly. Hoping to get my baking mojo back this weekend as I haven't done any for ages and I love baking (and eating!)

Was in the office today and the receptionist was all "how are you?" Big stare at my belly and told me I'm "blooming" lol. I think quite a lot of staff know as I told some who I knew would gossip as I find it weird to drop it into conversation so thought I'd let em do it for me. Don't know when to start telling my classes. Will probably feel better about it after scan next week and I'm gonna need to sit down more and not run about all day as I'm aching so much being on my feet all day already.

For all the teachers on here - apparently we get paid holiday pay in the month before we go back as work. I didn't realise this so is good to know as will only mean 2 months unpaid (I think) if I take the yet off.

Fajitas for tea - cant wait!!

misskatamari Tue 10-Sep-13 18:05:08

Oh and I LOVE the idea of a bake off date night with lots of cake to eat grin

marzipanned Tue 10-Sep-13 18:32:17

Milk what did the kicks feel like? Proper kicks or something else? I've had quite a few of these lower abdomen twinges now but I still don't know what I'm feeling there if anything!

laura0007 Tue 10-Sep-13 18:34:36

Wow milk, it's amazing isn't it! I've been feeling them since Saturday and I'm 19+2 today. It feels a bit like when you flick yourself with your thumb and finger but on the inside!

marzipanned Tue 10-Sep-13 19:14:37

Ooh..maybe that is what I'm feeling then. But it was only a few times yesterday and a couple more this morning so I'm really not sure!

laura0007 Tue 10-Sep-13 19:16:15

It could be! I felt it twice on Saturday a couple of times on Sunday, didn't feel it all yesterday and just been feeling it again now, 4 or 5 little kicks in a row!

ChocoFrog Tue 10-Sep-13 19:21:46

Just catching up with the new thread after being away in deepest, darkest Wales visiting in-laws for nearly a week. Could barely cope with no internet access but I've made up for it since being back.

All the scan/gender news is very exciting. I have my 20wk scan tomorrow but don't intend to find out gender at this stage. May be swayed once we're in there but really loved the surprise last time round.

Sorry to hear all those still suffering with sickness/pain/insomnia. I'm on iron tablets and still feel like death from lack of sleep so who knows what I'd be like without them. Had a very vivid dream the other night that a friend from school (who I haven't seen in 20 years) was trying to fix me up with Steve Davis (snooker player of yester-year) and I was quite pleased by this. Would like to state that I have never nor will ever fancy Steve Davis. Pregnancy is weird!

18+6 today

DawnOfTheDee Tue 10-Sep-13 19:33:11

I had my 20 week scan today and it's an......erm....hmmmm....ummm....not sure....maybe a girl?....hmmmm....no....not sure.


Anyway, they also couldn't get one of the measurements as baby was in a wriggly mood (but wouldn't wriggle the right way...whatever it is it's contrary) so I've got another scan a week on thursday. At least I get another scan so hopefully they'll be able to tell the sex then. If not i think i'd pay for a private scan.

Everything looks ok though - my placenta is not low lying which is v good news. Apparently this can be a problem if you've had a previous c-section. All measurements (the ones they could get) are in the normal range so if i want to go for a natural birth this time, which i do, all is looking good! smile

I LOVE great british bake-off!!! and i'm totally in for a group baking/eating session. I'm in Leeds though and I think most other peeps are daaaaaarn saaaaarf. grin

misskatamari Tue 10-Sep-13 19:43:44

Lol Chocco that dream sounds hilarious! Awww dawn it's a shame you didn't manage to find out the sex today - hopefully you can next time. Great news that baby is healthy tho. I'm in Stockport so another northerner smile (went to uni in Leeds which was fab!)

Awwww milk so exciting to be feeling kicks. Like lots of the other ladies I'm still not sure if I've felt any yet. I Ry occasional "hmmm maybe that was one" feelings but nothing that makes me positive that's what it is. Hopefully ill well all be having proper ones soon grin

DawnOfTheDee Tue 10-Sep-13 19:45:10

Well they did say 'maybe a girl' and the chinese gender prediction thingy said girl too so i'm going with that! grin

misskatamari Tue 10-Sep-13 19:46:10

Holy crap I just got up from the sofa and its so hard to walk as my left bum cheek is so bloody sore! I'm gonna have to try and sit down a bit more at work tomorrow and see if that helps hmm and try and book an arse massage! Lol

DawnOfTheDee Tue 10-Sep-13 19:47:45

Also yay for the north! I'm not from this side of the Pennines really though....I'm Blackpool born and bred grin

DawnOfTheDee Tue 10-Sep-13 19:49:01

lol @ 'arse massage'

I think only a particular type of establishment offers that sort of thing...wink

gnittinggnome Tue 10-Sep-13 20:02:00

missk have you tried sitting on a tennis ball? It was part of my physio for sciatica, you basically get a tennis ball between your hard chair and the sorest part of your bum cheek and move around - it's kind of a deep-tissue massage and may be uncomfortable whilst you're actually sat on it but can release tension - it's called myofascial release (I'm told). Weird, but it works for sore/tense/battered muscles.

winterflowers Tue 10-Sep-13 20:04:02

Dawn that's great everything looks ok AND you get to see baby again next week!

Miss K I'm exactly the same but on the right...end up lying down a lot but work kind of impedes that. You should defo try and get off your feet a bit tho

LovesToBake Tue 10-Sep-13 20:04:54

Pettyprudence I love you! Just whipped up a microwave golden syrup sponge pudding using your recipe and eating with custard while watching GBBO! Will post a photo on FB. Am also craving stodgy puddings, custard especially and also want cheese sauce on all of my veg!

EeyoreIsh Tue 10-Sep-13 20:06:04

gah my baking and jam making has not happened tonight as I'm too tired. I came home early from work and went straight to bed. DH tempted me out of bed with chilli and bake off, then I'm going back to bed.

my 20 week scan is next Tuesday grin I'm team yellow so hoping nothing is too obvious at the scan.

19+2 today.

Bearfrills Tue 10-Sep-13 20:06:10

Oh my god, I would totally be up for an arse massage if you can find a non-dodgy place that does them! And my definition of 'non-dodgy' is rather loose anyway. I'm seeing the ante-natal Physio in two weeks for sciatica and a dodgy knee, is it the done thing to ask her about it? wink

Loving all the bump pictures and congratulations on the scans! Three weeks on Friday until mine but we've got it all worked out. We'll keep DS off school and all go together, then have a nice lunch somewhere and argue discuss names, then go buy some bits (we never buy anything until after the 20wk scan but our tradition is to buy the coming home outfit once we've had it) and finally have our tea in town before coming home for a DVD. Sort of a nice day as a foursome to celebrate becoming a fivesome.

DH's birthday today, he wants Krispy Kremes instead of a birthday cake. It's such a tough job having to sit here, feet up, eating a doughnut, but someone has to do it grin

Sassy20 Tue 10-Sep-13 20:09:09

Dawn - I'm in Leeds too. If you want to do the baking i can do the eating!!! smile

Camwombat Tue 10-Sep-13 20:09:27

I'm a southerner living in the north (just north of Newcastle), so I'm clearly lost! wink

Champagnebubble Tue 10-Sep-13 20:09:56

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Bearfrills Tue 10-Sep-13 20:10:22

I'm just north of Newcastle too, near Blyth smile

jazzcat28 Tue 10-Sep-13 20:16:19

Choc cake in a mug was amazeballs. Photo on fb and yes I ate it all myself!

misskatamari Tue 10-Sep-13 20:19:17

Have just been thinking id give the tennis ball a go gnitting. I got some ages ago as Physio recommended for when I had a bad lower back but I tried it on the floor and just couldn't make it work so will try on a chair. Don't know why I tried it on the floor to be honest!

Awww bear your scan day plans sound so lovely grin. In terms of Physio I think they often do bum massages - but obvs call it "glutes". Luckily I know my massage lady quite well so will just say "my arse hurts please make it not hurt" and she should get to work - if she can find a way to do it without be lying on my belly.

Champagne glad you slept well but sorry you're feeling crap now. You should stuff your top for your commute and wear one if those Slogan tops that says "hands off my bump" or something similar and hope people get the message, cheeky buggers.

misskatamari Tue 10-Sep-13 20:22:41

Oh, have you ladies all had risk assessments done at work too? The bursar at my place emailed me some form when I was signed off but I just saved it and thought it wasn't something I actually did myself - or am I wrong? Surely they do the risk assessment?

DawnOfTheDee Tue 10-Sep-13 20:23:01

You're on Sassy20!

Didn't realise there were this many other northerners about - tis a good thing smile

Littleen Tue 10-Sep-13 20:25:07

My bum is so itchy and irritated and tickly! On the inside! what is the little creature doing in there?!

EeyoreIsh Tue 10-Sep-13 20:27:33

misskatamari I sent my boss the hr guidelines on pregnancy and explicitly said in the email that he needed to do a risk assessment. He's not been arsed to do it yet, I'd do it myself but I want him to see the bit about stress angry

DawnOfTheDee Tue 10-Sep-13 20:31:59

My bum is so itchy and irritated and tickly! On the inside!

^^Rrrrrrrwow! We are some sexy momma's on here! grin

jazzcat28 Tue 10-Sep-13 20:36:28

misskatamari I had to do my own risk assessment, including identifying all the risks from a blank form! A quick Google helped me on my way but given my senior managers are men in their 50s I think I'd prefer to do it myself anyway. They are all a bit awkward around me and can't stop checking out my bump/boobs hmm

I was told by HR I had to do the risk assessment again at 20wks and then every 4-6 weeks until I go on ML. If things change (e.g. SPD or similar) then do it again.

DH's 45 day redundancy consultation period officially started today sad

misskatamari Tue 10-Sep-13 20:39:25

Eeyore that must be so annoying that he hasnt done anything yet, grrrr!

Thanks jazzcat - ill go and see someone to try and sort it out tomorrow. hmm I hope things work out okay for your DH - it must be so stressful for you both x

Sassy20 Tue 10-Sep-13 20:42:25

Misskat - my manager did my risk assessment along with someone for hr. We're then supposed to have regular catch ups to check I'm ok.

Jazz - hope it all works out ok for your dh. X

vix206 Tue 10-Sep-13 20:51:31

MissKat, I mentioned the tennis ball trick over the weekend but I think it was missed. If you can't get at the painful bit sitting down, try doing it upright against a wall. That's really working for me at the moment. smile

ch1134 Tue 10-Sep-13 20:53:53

Had such a heartwarming moment at work today. I've been trying to keep my baby news to myself until after tomorrow when I've had the 20 week scan. However, I did wonder if students and colleagues were guessing.
So I was teaching my nightmare Year 11s, who were being very good at the time, when one of the boys said 'so, Miss, will you be teaching us right until the end of Year 11?' and I said 'No'. Then the class erupted into 'Congratulations's and 'I knew it!'s and lots of questions about babies! It was so lovely!
After break I had Year 8, and the younger brother of one of the Year 11s entered the room calling 'Congratulations Miss! Are you really pregnant?', which resulted in lots of cheers, congrats and questions from Year 8.
Entering the staff room at lunch I was greeted with 'so you're the talk of the school'... so the cat is well and truly out of the bag - one day before the scan! But in the loveliest of ways. I think I'll remember that for a long time to come!

EeyoreIsh Tue 10-Sep-13 20:58:19

ch that's lovely, your kids sound lovely!

I'm wanting to eat all the filo doodahs on bake off, they look yummy.

misskatamari Tue 10-Sep-13 20:58:54

Eeyore that must be so annoying that he hasnt done anything yet, grrrr!

Thanks jazzcat - ill go and see someone to try and sort it out tomorrow. hmm I hope things work out okay for your DH - it must be so stressful for you both x

misskatamari Tue 10-Sep-13 21:02:10

Sorry my phone app just did a weird repost! Thanks vix - just had a go with the tennis ball and I think it definitely helped. Was quite sore to do but that means its working I'm sure!

Ch - that's so sweet about your classes smile so happy they were all so lovely! Good luck at the scan tomorrow too.

vix206 Tue 10-Sep-13 21:13:58

Jealous of all the cakes in mugs. No microwave here!! confused

Poppy954 Tue 10-Sep-13 21:34:37

Ah i've got a tear in my eye catching up on the thread. Some lovely posts. Sorry some of you are feeling rough in different ways.
Champagne, yes I can't stand up for long without getting dizzy. I was stopped at work to be introduced to a new colleague last week and had to stop her mid introduction and just stopped myself fainting.
A first for me today - a colleague who definitely didn't know I was pregnant noticed my bump and asked me how many weeks I am.

I also spoke to payroll about childcare vouchers and they definitely will keep paying them when I'm on smp. I get 6 weeks 90% (smp), 12 weeks 50%+smp, 18 weeks smp. So they'll be deducted from my pay only in the 12 weeks that I'm on 50%. I've done some rough calculations and even taking into account that paying the vouchers takes my gross pay down I still should be better off by receiving the vouchers - particularly the longer I have off. so thanks for the advice.

Shropshiremummy2B Tue 10-Sep-13 21:51:07

I'd rather not reveal where I'm from if that's ok? I don't really want to attract stalkers.

Oh. Shit.

Littleen Tue 10-Sep-13 21:52:57

hahaha that was meant to say BUMP! :p embarrassed

jazzcat28 Tue 10-Sep-13 22:12:19

Shropshire grin

South coast gal here so anywhere north of Reading considered ooop north...

laura0007 Tue 10-Sep-13 22:35:50

Shropshire grin

Eeyore you must be due the same day as me, and our scans are the same day too smile

I'm from Lincoln...so the middle ish so if you all want to meet at my house with your cakes I don't mind trying them all for you. Tough job but someone has to do it.

gnittinggnome Tue 10-Sep-13 22:37:43

vix we don't have a microwave either, it's currently creeping up the list of things to acquire and soon!

Champagnebubble Wed 11-Sep-13 07:21:17

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Champagnebubble Wed 11-Sep-13 07:25:53

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Poppy954 Wed 11-Sep-13 07:56:11

Hi champagne. Yes, sorry if I didn't explain myself. They will deduct them during the 12 weeks I'm on 50%+smp as the 50% part isn't smp. So for exams if I take 6 months mat leave they pay them for three months and
I pay them for three months therefore only just breaking even when i weigh it up against the lower gross pay. But if I took say 9 months then I still only pay myself for the three months I'm on 50% and they would pay six months therefore I'm making a profit ( in voucher form).

Apologies for a voucher bore!

Poppy954 Wed 11-Sep-13 07:56:42


Poppy954 Wed 11-Sep-13 07:57:52

'apologies for being a voucher bore'
More haste less speed

durk79 Wed 11-Sep-13 08:21:24

wow I missed so much!! been working loads and by the time i'm done then commuted home im too tired! sorry to hear people are still not feeling great I thank my lucky stars every day that I've not had sickness, I had a colleague last year that was admitted to hospital over 10 time because of HG and still managed to work inbetween......I don't know how she did it!
ages ago someone put a link on here of how to measure for bras properly now I can't find it would you post again? my boobs just keep growing, they really didn't need to I had ample before!!! but thankfully not sore anymore, im going to try bravissimo this time as decided my old faithful M& are useless!! So how do I join the FB group?
litleen...your itchy bump (bum) really made me laugh I thought you were being very revelling!

LittlePandaBear Wed 11-Sep-13 09:38:43

Morning all,

The childcare vouchers thing confuses me - a teacher friend said I could get them paid throughout my mat leave but it must depend on mat pay entitlement, as I only get the standard 6 weeks at 90% and then SMP, hers will be more generous. Too confusing.

I watched Midwives last night - with my nearly 3 yr old DD! She's normally a great sleeper but just wouldn't get to sleep last night, so I told her to come downstairs with me to watch it until Daddy got home from work. She was excited to watch the 'babies coming out of mummies tummies' programme. Then I realised it would be a bit gory and I probably shouldn't let her watch it! So I just flicked over to football when they did the sections! But she wasn't squeamish at all and was fascinated that the babies came out 'messy'. I was so emotional watching it though, the poor baby that needed an operation straight away. Then when DD saw the baby having a cuddle with her mummy she said 'Babies like to be with their mummies, they don't like it when they're at work' - cue me bursting into tears but trying not to make DD upset! Can I blame the hormones? I then explained to her why mummy and daddy have to work for money blah blah and she said she wasn't sad when we're at work. She doesn't see herself as a baby anymore. Anyway it was lovely to watch it with her as it got us talking her little brother or sister in my tummy smile And we both had a nice lie in this morning.

Durk - you should be able to find a thread on Style and Beauty about bras, there's always one running. Essentially you measure around your ribcage under your boobs and that's your back size measurement, no adding anything. If it's an odd number you may want to try sizes below and above. then you dangle over blush and measure around the fullest bit of your boobs. Then you work out the difference between that and your back size, each inch is a cup size. So 1 inch diff is an A, 2" is a B and so on. It's a starting point for sizes as each brand can be a bit different, but Bravissimo should fit you much better than old fashioned M&S!

LovesToBake Wed 11-Sep-13 10:30:52

LittlePanda I now have tears in my eyes from reading your post about watching Midwives with your DD - so cute! My 18mo DS is obsessed with tummies in general (is prone to showing his off in public and then insisting in seeing mine so he can poke my tummy button, not the best!) so I've been encouraging to give my bump a kiss and say 'baby' which is pretty cute. I appreciate he has no clue what it means but makes me smile!

So it seems that bump day is also puke day. I've gone my longest ever without being sick in the morning - a whole week, them randomly puked violently as soon as I got up this morning. Hey ho, at least it's way less frequent.

Bearfrills Wed 11-Sep-13 10:39:55
marzipanned Wed 11-Sep-13 11:03:37

Champagne/any others still being sick at night - inspired by all the hot chocolate love I've been drinking hot choc (made with milk) just before going to bed some nights. Out of last 3 nights, the 2 I had the drink I didn't puke during the night, t'other one I did. Completely anecdotal but I was wondering if perhaps having a big protein fix just before sleep helps blood sugar regulate overnight and reduces nausea? Maybe worth a try if you can stomach it?

LittlePanda that's so sweet! I love reading everyone's stories of their DCs - makes me so excited to have these kinds of chats smile

Seeing the doctor today about pukey blood, it's a different one to usual so hope s/he is sympathetic...

I'm norther than north - Scotland! Also without microwave and that syrup sponge pud in a mug looked bloody divine.

durk79 Wed 11-Sep-13 11:06:01

thank you thats it smile and thank you littlepanda too. looking forward to getting something that actually fits and might flatter rather than the uncomfortable boulder holders I'm currently in!!!
sorry I'm so far behind all of the chats going on it my seem random the bits I start adding!! Also love the bake off...how hard are custard tarts to make!! we're having a bake off at work in Oct judged by last years real winner!! what shall I make??
just off to watch Allan Carr chatty man being filmed...hopefully will be fun!

gnittinggnome Wed 11-Sep-13 11:55:18

Just caught up on my Wednesday morning ritual of Bake Off followed by Midwives... I think I'm going to reverse them next time though so I can dry my eyes thinking about cakes.

Speaking of which, another London based person here - thinking less about (eating) cake and more about the savouries, as apparently I'm a hot ticket for gestational diabetes and all I'm craving is a freshly fried, warm doughnut. (wonders if a doughnut, cut into slices and eaten over two days, would be a problem?)

Anyone else getting really pink cheeks? It's not all the time, or when I'm active, or relating to food, and I've already changed my toiletries to "hyper sensitive" so I don't think it's my moisturiser. I spent a couple of days at Mum's, and she kept saying "ooh you've got lovely rosy cheeks, you're glowing" but I'm not sure it's a good thing! I know it isn't rosacea, or high blood pressure, but am now fretting. It seems to be one of those absolutely normal symptoms that could also be something awful...(and in the grand scheme of things far less debilitating or uncomfortable than what a lot of you ladies are going through, so that's meant to be a very small complaint, not a huge moan!)

sunflowered Wed 11-Sep-13 12:29:05

Just back from a lovely relaxing holiday and trying to catch up on nearly 2 weeks of thread but I keep getting distracted by cake... Will have to get baking at the weekend now we finally have a kitchen and an oven that works grin Not the smoothest first day back at work so far - cake is needed!!

Sorry to hear some of you are still feeling rough.

EeyoreIsh Wed 11-Sep-13 12:40:01

Can I join in the bump day = sick day sad I haven't felt like this for ages. I could have killed the person who ate an overripe banana at the desk next to me. I don't even want my normal chicken noodle soup.

The pregnancy hormones are definitely coming out! I snapped at a guy on the train next to me as he kept leaning into me whilst talking to his friend. I was so stroppy! I must admit, part of me does like the new 'don't give a shit' me grin

Laura, we must due the same time smile

jazz, I wonder if you're near me on the south coast. I'm still a Londoner at heart though, having lived there for ten years and I still work there. I don't know how I'll cope on maternity leave without regular London fixes.

Julietee Wed 11-Sep-13 14:08:31

I'm due Feb 21st.
... I'm impatient for my bump to materialise properly!

ch1134 Wed 11-Sep-13 14:21:36

Just back from 20 week scan and all fine. Didn't find out the gender.

LovesToBake Wed 11-Sep-13 14:24:05

Just back from my 16 week appointment, heard the heartbeat which was nice. Also told the midwife I'm keen for a home birth so she's referring me to our hospital's home birth team which is exciting. Apparently they will probably take over my antenatal care and come and do the remaining appointments at my house - bonus!

Also pointed out that my due date should be 20th Feb (not 21st Feb as per my notes) so she changed it - one day closer!

tiegysmum Wed 11-Sep-13 14:29:31

Hi All! Just back from our 20 week scan and all is well with the baby, only thing is my placenta is lying low and anterior... Wondered if anyone else has this or had it in prior pregnancies? This is my third pregnancy but haven't really got a clue what it is, fighting the urge to google it and probs scare myself to death!! Have to say the sonographer didn't seem all that concerned just said that she would arrange another appt about 36 weeks x

Rehune Wed 11-Sep-13 16:04:05

Hi guys, joining half way through - hope nobody minds. Was with my group from the very beginning for DD1 who is just over 2yrs old now. But with a relocation from London to Birmingham, new house, looking for a new job etc etc, have not found time for a birth club. And I miss this to be honest - especially in a new city where I don't know anyone. hmm Anyway, happy to meet you all and I'm 18 weeks tomorrow xx

LittlePandaBear Wed 11-Sep-13 16:46:26

Welcome Rehune - I'm also 18 weeks tomorrow! We are all a nice bunch, just say whatever's on your mind (I think we talk cakes more these days than babies grin)!

Great news for those with 20 week scans - tiegysmum if the sonographer wasn't worried then I'm sure there's no need for you to. In fact I think with my DD I was told my placenta was low but I had another scan at 24 weeks for other reasons and suddenly it was fine, so it's probably common.

marzipanned Wed 11-Sep-13 16:58:51

Welcome Rehune smile

Great news about lovely heartbeats and scans.

The doctor said the blood is nothing to worry about and very common in such vomit-y situations. He suggested I stay on daily meds for now but trying cutting pills in half to reduce dose.

I have to say, having heard some women's horror stories about getting meds prescribed for HG, I feel incredibly lucky that all the doctors I've met have been completely understanding and wonderful.

Loves that is really exciting about the home birth stuff! I don't dare do it this time, but I'm hoping next time (if there is a next time, and if all goes well this time...) Will be great to hear about your experiences.

winterflowers Wed 11-Sep-13 17:06:16

Good news about the scans everyone. ..very reassuring. I wouldn't worry abt the low lying placenta, I think I read this happens quite a lot but as it all grows then the placenta moves up and it's all fine. As little says, if the sonographer isn't worried then you shouldn't be either.

Going to see a house later as desperate to buy somewhere before baby arrives and I become entirely unmortgagable and spend all my money on cute outfits and toys

misskatamari Wed 11-Sep-13 17:21:37

Awww so lovely to hear about the scans! I am counting the days until Monday when I have mine. I just want to know what i'm having so I can finally buy something!

Need to scroll back up and find the sponge pudding recipe too as I've been thinking about it with custard all day!!! Gosh I really could just sit and eat all day at the moment! Have been very good at work and actually been eating fruit tho so I think I deserve a big wodge of stodge!

Rehune Wed 11-Sep-13 18:16:22

After being soooo good during first pregnancy I have been downing a can of coke a day during this one. Feel terribly guilty but it was the only thing that helped with the sickness (which was worse second time around!) also I was a size 6 before DD1 and barely showing at 18 weeks. This time, it's like I took the test and then BAM hello bump! Anyone else?

Milkandtwo Wed 11-Sep-13 18:36:38

Hi Rehune! We have a Facebook page for sharing bump pics - send me your email (that you use in Facebook) so I can find you and add you, if you want to join. It's private so you can't find it and no-one else can see your posts. This is DC1 for me but I have a huge bump compared to most (at 18+5) and had a six pack before I got up the spout. I am actually really freaked out by how fast my body shape has changed so enormously, it's such a weird thing to get used to! My boob are 32G now and giving me chronic neck pains. WTF will happen when my milk comes in?!

jazzcat28 Wed 11-Sep-13 19:02:17

Am sat in pizza hut takeaway waiting for my dinner just me and another preggo... trouble is she looks about 8 months and I just look fat

vix206 Wed 11-Sep-13 19:14:14

Hi Rehune. Yes I was the same with the instant bump this time round. A friend guessed before I was even 6 weeks pregnant!! shock

fatasbutter Wed 11-Sep-13 19:19:42

Anyone mind if I join in too?? I've been a bit shy due to 2 miscarriages recently but finally plucking up courage to accept that at 17+4 things might be real!
Have been meaning to join for ages <waves at thingy> Hi buddy!
So glad to hear people having good scans, and relieved I'm not the only one still exhausted all the time too!!

fatasbutter Wed 11-Sep-13 19:21:18

Oh jazzcat I'm the same! I have a soft bump of just fat!!! It's a bit different with the second one!

lyndsey90 Wed 11-Sep-13 19:24:01

Wow, I've been gone a while

Good to know everyone's scans are going well, mine is 30th September and I will be finding out the sex if possible.

My bump is definitely showing now, people keep making comments about my 'small bump' which makes the day go by nicely smile

My energy is slowly retuning which is AMAZING because I've been tired for like 17 chuffin weeks!

It's going bloody fast now I think!


DawnOfTheDee Wed 11-Sep-13 19:40:45

Hello newbies and welcome! smile

tiegysmum - low lying placenta can be a problem if it covers or partially covers the cervix. If this is still the case late in pg i think you'd need a c-section However usually the placenta can start off low down but as things develop move up so as not to be a problem. That's what should happen and what they'll be looking for at the later scan. I think it's called placenta previa (sp?) but as i say in most cases it rights itself.

EeyoreIsh Wed 11-Sep-13 20:08:57

welcome to the newbies smile

I've just been for drinks with colleagues which was lovely but I must admit I'm starting to worry. I still haven't felt any kicks (19+3) and no one guessed I was pregnant even though I drank soft drinks and wore a pregnancy dress. someone thought I was in the first trimester, and everyone said my bump looked like a normal tummy sad

I'm silly to be stressing right? It's just because I'm tall so baby has lots of space to stretch out in?

Anyway, when I get home I'll post a pic of my bump but it is certainly smaller than the others so far.

LovesToBake Wed 11-Sep-13 20:11:17

Eeyorish if you're tall then I'm sure your explanation is spot on. A friend of mine is tall and athletic and she never had a big bump with both of her pregnancies and could easily pass for not pregnant well into the second trimester, sounds a lot like you. Presumably your 20w scan is very soon so hope that reassures you.

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laura0007 Wed 11-Sep-13 20:54:37

Do anyone else's nipples really hurt when it's cold? I was walking through waitrose freezer aisle yesterday and my nipples hurt so much I thought I'd find them unattached when I looked! And the same today when it was cold and I was doing the school run at work....ouchy!

laura0007 Wed 11-Sep-13 21:18:37

Ooh how exciting! Just laid on the sofa watching TV and I felt the baby kicking, so pulled my trousers down a bit and I could see my tummy moving where the kicks were!!! gringringringringrin Amazing!!!

marzipanned Wed 11-Sep-13 21:33:09

laura that's so amazing! (the kicks that is, not the nipples)

Eeyore I'm also tall and as you can see from today's 'bump' pic there is barely anything there. In the picture I was pulling my t-shirt back but in my normal clothes I don't look pregnant, just like I've got a bit of a tum. If you google '19 weeks and not showing' it's very reassuring smile

As for the movements - please don't worry, one of the midwives told me she didn't feel anything until 22 weeks in her first pregnancy.

I'm pretty sure that is what I've been feeling now as I've had about 7 or 8 today....only a couple have been twingy and the others have been fluttery....but I only feel them when I'm lying down, so just look out for it at night when you get into bed.

It is incredible and I do feel reassured, but at the same time don't stress if there isn't anything yet!

vix206 Wed 11-Sep-13 21:48:21

Laura - yes the nipples hurting in the cold is very common I think. It's going to be a hard winter!!!

misskatamari Wed 11-Sep-13 21:48:51

Awwww Laura an marzi - so exciting you're feeling kicks! I get an odd sensation every now and then when I think it could be but just can't tell. Think I just have wind now hmm. 19+4 so really hopping to feel something soon. Laura it's so cool that you could see the kicks! Must be amazing to watch x

misskatamari Wed 11-Sep-13 21:49:28

Lol vix - hard winter grin god I am so immature!

vix206 Wed 11-Sep-13 21:49:34

And welcome to fatasbutter smile

laura0007 Wed 11-Sep-13 21:50:53

I tried to record it so I could put it on Facebook for you guys to see but couldn't get my phone out fast enough before it stopped!

marzipanned Wed 11-Sep-13 21:58:00

Ooh sorry missed fatasbutters intro, welcome! And so sorry about the MCs - yes, definitely sounds like things are real this time! smile

misskat sounds like it probably is, the reason I have decided that's what it is is that it just doesn't feel like anything else - you know the sort of twinges you get when you've got wind - well I had a couple of those around the same time as some of the fluttery kicks and it was just completely different. Try to figure out the difference between the wind feelings and the other feelings! (Oh, the things you get to say in pregnancy...)

Poppy954 Wed 11-Sep-13 22:22:06

Love the bump pictures today. My 'OCD' won't let me take a bump picture on a Wednesday as Friday is the start of each new week!!

Eeyore and champagne, don't worry. I know five women
All due in november and they are all completely different sizes. One is very slim but still barely looks pregnant even though she must be headin towards 30 weeks. Can you feel your uterus through the abdominal wall? Lie on your back and gently feel above your pubic bone, you may be able to feel a firm mass which is your uterus and en slowly and gently press gradually further up towards your tummy button and you should feel it start to slope away at the top. If you can feel it then a few days later feel again and you'll notice the top is a bit higher up showing that your uterus is growing as it should be. If you google height of uterus diagram you'll also see where it should be.
Another tip for feeling movements is sit leaning slightly forward and your knees pulled up towards your chest ( not to the point you are uncomfortable) and concentrate on the feeling your abdomen. You might just notice a little poke ir flutter.

Poppy954 Wed 11-Sep-13 22:24:32

Apologies for all the typos. I'm a stickler for spelling and grammar but posting on a phone doesn't allow for much proof reading !

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sunflowered Wed 11-Sep-13 23:29:07

Hi rehune and fatasbutter

Laura I'm really hoping for a mild winter. A sudden blast of cold air had me howling out loud driving home today. think I need to work on my pain threshold before actual labour gets near

A generous but anonymous friend has sent me 'expecting better' in the post - I was really touched that he/she was so thoughtful, just too sleepy to think about reading it though.

Think I might have had a few flutterings during my orchestra rehearsal tonight. Either bambino objected to the loud trumpety bits waking it up or it's going to be a musician grin

sunflowered Wed 11-Sep-13 23:38:54

And thanks bear (and others) for the bra fitting link and advice. I'm off to bravissimo when I'm up in the big smoke next week to update my wardrobe. Dh would be extremely pleased about this particular part of pregnancy if only they weren't quite so sore sad

jazzcat28 Thu 12-Sep-13 07:29:46

sunflowered I am also a musician and looking forward to first rehearsal of the term weekend after next when I'll be 19wks - hoping the noise will encourage some movement!

Sassy20 Thu 12-Sep-13 07:59:18

Well I finally got some sleep last night after nearly 24hrs without due to bloody insomnia. It was such a relief. I was getting beyond myself yesterday and spent a lot of the day in tears - not helped by watching midwives!!! I really don't do well on no sleep! In the end my solution was to stay up till half ten watching the film Orphan - never to be recommended if you want to adopt!!! smile Surprisingly I slept well after that. No sleep in though as have my dd in bed with me watching cbeebies.

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mrscookie78 Thu 12-Sep-13 08:47:21

Just about caught up with all your posts have my 20 week scan two weeks today yay grin hi to you all and sorry for aches, pains and sicknesssad

durk79 Thu 12-Sep-13 09:20:52

wow what a revelation......no more measuring in M&S for bras! measured myself using the guide and it was so different, then went to bravissimo and they got the same as I had, I've gone from 38D to a 32GG!!!!!!!!!! I can't get over how fab they feel in a correctly fitting bra. I also can't believe that all of my adult life I've been in the wrong size!! wink
Got a consultant antenatal app this afternoon to check out some cardiac arrhythmias I've been having. Had them pre pregnancy but could take meds for it then but can't take them now as would affect the baby, so just getting with it now. Fingers crossed he's says all is ok.

bugsyburge Thu 12-Sep-13 11:35:29

morning all,

I'm still catching up from the weekend- you've been a chatty bunch!!!!!

I've been reading the stuff you've been saying about entitlements & vouchers etc with interest & just wondered if anyone knew if there are any entitlements I'm due as I'm clueless about all of this stuff & my company won't be forthcoming..... this is my first dc & my company only pay 90% for 6weeks & then smp for 33 weeks..... I will get my 25 days holiday & bank hols ( I think) but is there anything else I should hope for?grin

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tinypolkadot Thu 12-Sep-13 12:20:08

Hi Everyone and hi to rehune and fatasbutter

I had some hellish leg cramp in the middle of the night - all down my calf and my whole foot was twisted out of shape, it was horrible! I hope it's a one off and I don't have to deal with that every night.

Got my scan on the 23rd - seems like so long away still. Think I've been feeling some little kicks, but like others I'm not really sure...

19+2 today

marzipanned Thu 12-Sep-13 15:08:48

Ugh, think I mentioned earlier we had a mould problem... it's actually dry rot and it seems like large chunks of the house are going to have to be ripped out to treat it! Not sure what we're going to do - might have to move. Nightmare, nightmare!

Hope the appointments go well today mrscookie and durk.

LovesToBake Thu 12-Sep-13 15:17:57

Marzipanned that sounds like a nightmare - have you just had a surveyor round then? Presume you own the house do you? Does insurance cover it?

marzipanned Thu 12-Sep-13 15:32:43

Yep the surveyor just came, we thought it was a superficial problem but apparently not!

Fortunately we don't own it, we are renting, so we can move - but it would just be an enormous PITA (and having had a quick look for rental properties in our area, nowhere appeals at all) We have been thinking about buying in the area but don't want to rush into the purchase of the wrong place just because of desperation for a new home!

tinypolkadot Thu 12-Sep-13 16:28:14

My job's just started to be advertised, I feel quite weird about it sad

SugarMiceInTheRain Thu 12-Sep-13 16:48:32

Hi all, sorry I've been awol a few days as my mum was up staying. My uncharacteristic (and rather premature) nesting phase seems to still be in full flow and have decluttered more areas of my house - mum has helped the last day or two in between us rushing here there and everywhere, so I'm exhausted.

No more baby news here - though I seem to be starting to get indigestion/ acid reflux. Lovely. Honestly, all the horrendous problems that come with pregnancy, which people don't tell you about! If they did go into graphic detail about HG, constipation, piles, insomnia and so on.... the human race might die out grin My hayfever is driving me insane as I can't take antihistamines so going round looking very red-eyed. And still suffering from headaches every evening which paracetamol doesn't touch hmm My previous pregnancies were much easier <sigh>

misskatamari Thu 12-Sep-13 17:27:43

God that sounds a right pain marzipanned - you never know though, you might find your dream house thanks to having to leave cos of the rot.

Sugarmice sorry to hear you're getting the dreaded reflux - it's so horrid! I'm constantly at the gaviscon now.

Wow two other ladies at work at pregnant now too - due in march. Definitely a fertile place to be our school! One of my kids asked me today if they have me all year to which I said "yes" and moved on - although I think I may have to let some of em know soon as I think it's getting pretty obvious as my belly gets bigger by the day.

Soooo tired today as I was awake a bit late last night bidding on a maternity dress on eBay. DH says I should just "put the maximum I'm willing to pay in and leave it" but I'm used to stalking to the last second for a bargain so haven't managed yet. Although I keep forgetting to bid on things so may have to actually take his advice grrrr!

EeyoreIsh Thu 12-Sep-13 17:43:41

Thanks all for the reassurance about the size of my bump, it made me feel a lot better. I'm looking forward to my scan next week, seeing baby in there will reassure me. I may have felt some movement earlier today, or it was wind, who knows grin

marzipan what a nightmare with the rot, I hope something can be done about it, not too expensively.

I'm working from home tomorrow, so ready for a lie in and gentler day. I've got quite a lot to work through though so I can't slack entirely!

vix206 Thu 12-Sep-13 18:26:22

Major early nesting here! I'm on a mass sort out so the house looks ransacked but I'm on a mission to get organised. I'm feeling fab at the moment so making the most of it! Sorry to hear some of you are still feeling sick. confused For those with back/leg aches I can't recommend massage strongly enough.

SugarMiceInTheRain Thu 12-Sep-13 18:43:02

vix glad I'm not the only one nesting already. Tomorrow I have a totally free afternoon so will be having a major sort out of the boys' toys I think (got to do it when they're not around to protest at me chucking away tat their toys which they never play with)

I recommend massage too. Brilliant. Though DH gets bored after 5 minutes of massaging my back so I plan to book a spa day with a long massage soon grin

EeyoreIsh Thu 12-Sep-13 18:56:41

vix, sugar, I did some major nesting/clearing out at the weekend. I was like a woman possessed grin

vix206 Thu 12-Sep-13 19:15:38

I've ordered 2 toy boxes from ikea a d have been ruthless and got rid of anything:
A) broken
B) with missing bits
C) not played with
D) immensely irritating ;)

Now onto kitchen drawers once DS is asleep and major tip run tomorrow pm. grin

TeaAddict235 Thu 12-Sep-13 19:32:39

Hi Ladies, can't keep up with the threads for Feb, you ladies do write often. I've been as sick as a cat since July with horrible morning sickness that occurred after 6pm everyday. I'm 18 weeks now, and my belly has popped out, but I'm sure that it's just wind. I can't seem to get rid of my trapped wind. Any thoughts? I've tried camomile, ginger tea, peppermint sweets, etc etc.

Ps. I'm not on FB so I can't show my tummy. sad

durk79 Thu 12-Sep-13 19:33:16

also been clearing and sorting....its so satisfying! its to make room for all the things we've already been given people are so generous!
appointment was good as got to hear the baby's heart beat again but I need to be referred to the cardiologist for closer monitoring, nothing effecting the baby which is the main thing!

Thingymajigs Thu 12-Sep-13 19:39:43

I'm also having a mad clear out. Unfortunately it isn't motivated by nesting. I'm having to force myself to clear out everything to get ready for moving house in a few weeks. Only last week the house move fell through and I was preparing to live here for another two years and now back to packing again as another house opportunity has turned up.
It's great that I'll be able to plan a nursery now but I have no idea how I'll afford baby equipment and decorating an entire house.
If anyone needs me I'll be glued to eBay and comforting myself with microwaved sponge cake.

teaaddict I carry windeze where ever I go grin I haven't actually had to use them yet as the day I bought them the trapped wind went and I have been farting non stop. I do remember this stage passing by 20wks though last time.

sugar I posted a message from my bff, a hospital pharmacist (several threads ago now!) that basically said antihistamines are fine in pregnancy. The older ones like piriton share the same ingredients as the anti-sickness meds the hg sufferers are getting.

good luck to marzi and thingy with houses. See you on pintrest where you can make up your dream home and just live it through the internet rather than actually doing anything. Cheaper too!

SugarMiceInTheRain Thu 12-Sep-13 20:13:19

pettyprudence oh thanks for that, really good to know!

thingy good luck with the house move. Better now than when heavily pregnant (moved at 7 months pregnant with DS2, not good for the blood pressure when you are constantly having to harass solicitors to get their backsides in gear). They only pulled out the stops when I said that if it didn't happen within x days then I would pull out of the sale/ purchase as it wasn't worth the risk to my health! :-) Funnily enough suddenly all the problems that were hindering the progress magically evaporated...! I do love moving for how it forces me to get rid of stuff I would otherwise needlessly hold onto.

I am making a mental hit-list of places in the house to declutter...
Toyboxes, boys' bedroom, understairs cupboard, kitchen (inside cupboards/tops of units - the whole kitchen is full to bursting!), our bedroom wardrobes/ dresser, paperwork folders which I'm sure are full of stuff which could be shredded...

And don't get me started on all the deep cleaning I need to do. However, that'll be much easier to do when there's less junk to clean around grin

Shropshiremummy2B Thu 12-Sep-13 20:14:58

Sooooo bummed. Crappy day at work. Stinking fluey cold that won't budge. Get home to a letter from the hospital saying I need a glucose tolerance test to see if I've got gestational diabetes. Booooooo.

Consoling myself with profiteroles.

misskatamari Thu 12-Sep-13 20:44:45

Awwww Shropshire that sucks hmm hope the profiteroles help to cheer you up.

Very jealous of all the nesting. I'm hoping to make my third ikea trip in 2 weeks this weekend in the hope they finally have the bloody storage boxes I want in then I WILL sort my crafting area. And not buy too much at the crafting show I'm going to this weekend.

Tried the chocolate microwave cake - soooo fast and turned out great. Such a good idea grin

Been in bed since just after 8. Mmmmm lovely bed!

laura0007 Thu 12-Sep-13 20:59:10

Wish I had the nesting bug! I could do with a good tidy up.

Feel better soon Shropshire thanks

I have just made Nutella hot chocolate and all I can say is OH MY GOD!

LovesToBake Thu 12-Sep-13 21:40:56

I am SO trying a Nutella hot choc soon, sounds amazing! Loving all this talk of nesting and decluttering - I love nothing more than a good clear out and am already earmarking some of my early maternity leave days when DS is at nursery for clearing out all of the obvious suspect places - kitchen cupboards, bottom of wardrobe, under bed etc.

Good luck with your Ikea trip MissKat - can you check stock online before you go to avoid a wasted trip? We want to get a new white Malm chest of drawers for the spare room (which will eventually become DS's room when we turf him out of his cot so that the new baby can move in. Can't bring myself to make the trip (our nearest Ikeas are an hour away) with only needing one thing so keeping an ear to the ground to see if any friends are going in the next few months so we can ask them to pick it up for us!

I had a bath this evening with lavender oil in - can't recommend it highly enough, feel so utterly relaxed now. Even slipped some into DS's bath and have put some on a muslin in his room in an attempt to encourage him to lie in later than 5:30am. This morning was horrendous - he was up for the day and raring to go at 4:55am, aargh!

lyndsey90 Thu 12-Sep-13 21:50:39

Drinking a nice cold Becks blue... Oh the love for non alcoholic beer!!!

vix206 Thu 12-Sep-13 21:53:53

I've ordered my ikea stuff online for home delivery smile Ikea sucks the energy out of me every time so from a distance is better grin

Thingymajigs Fri 13-Sep-13 07:24:24

That sounds so stressful sugar. Moving is difficult enough with the constant uncertainty about whether its going ahead or not. With ds1 I moved at 39 weeks. Now I'm 14 years older and get tired just decluttering in preparation so I think this will be tougher. So much for my carefree, meditating, organic, hippyish pregnancy. It'll be a manic few months decorating but I'm looking forward to it. Haven't moved in 10 years.
I've just got back in to Pinterest petty. I have a baby board, a new house ideas board and one for Christmas because I'm one of those nutters who starts counting down in August. grin
Any idea why you got that letter shropshire? Hope today is a bit better for you.

vix206 Fri 13-Sep-13 07:33:25

We moved when DS was 2 weeks old, in a way it was the easiest move ever for me as I was so poorly I couldn't do anything other than sit and feed DS. DH wouldn't let me be directly involved in any of the estate agent/solicitors side as he didnt want me to take on any stress. So I was a bit of a passenger really.

Even so a big upheaval (moving to a new area etc) but so worth it.

vix206 Fri 13-Sep-13 07:34:45

Thingy I've almost finished my Xmas shopping grin not always this organised but I know I will be huge in December and I just have this burning desire to be super-organised. Nearing instinct! I just wish it lasted forever!!

Thingymajigs Fri 13-Sep-13 08:03:57

Now that is impressive vix. I wish my Christmas obsession extended to actually buying things in advance. So far I've pinned a few ideas about how to make reindeer and snowmen marshmallow treats which is pretty useless. Next Christmas we will all have babies crawling around pulling down baubles.

vix206 Fri 13-Sep-13 08:12:25

I've been following the bargain threads in the Christmas section on here. Amazing deals!!

vix206 Fri 13-Sep-13 08:15:18

grin When DS was smaller I had the Xmas tree in a playpen to stop him from pulling it down!!

Sassy20 Fri 13-Sep-13 09:33:42

We moved the day after my due date with dd!!! Not recommended but she did wait till we were sorted before making her appearance at exactly 41 weeks! smile

EeyoreIsh Fri 13-Sep-13 09:47:36

gosh vix that's so organised!

I'm a bundle of woe this morning. I couldn't sleep because I had my braces tightened yesterday and they really hurt, and I've got a horrible sore throat cold thing that appeared at 1am angry

on the plus side, lying awake for ages in the middle of the night gave me q chance to find my uterus. The top of it is just under the belly button, which I think is right for 19 weeks.

vix206 Fri 13-Sep-13 11:31:20

I feel like I have a cold brewing too Eeyoreish. Tight throat, hot eyes and the sniffles...Just when I was feeling so brilliant too! Its the change of weather I tell you....

vix206 Fri 13-Sep-13 11:32:25

Xmas bargains thread here for anyone interested! Apologies to those who hate talk of it so early!!


sunflowered Fri 13-Sep-13 11:40:45

Feel for you eeyoreish - I still have scary flashbacks to my tightening trips to the orthodontist.

Just had my 16 week appointment - baby has a heartbeat (in the general bump area so it's not all stodge grin ) blood tests normal and 22/25 week appointments booked - all starting to feel a bit more real.

Ikea trip for me tomorrow as well. All I need is the shell of a small kitchen cupboard and our renovations will be complete. However, unpacking the stockpile of tealights, kitchen gadgets, and other unnecessary knicknacks is likely to mean the construction of said cupboard has to wait a while.

Read a babynames thread earlier that really irritated me possibly irrationally - the op wanted suggestions for names to go with Byron and her current list included Caspian, Tiberius and Aegeaus (her dh's other suggestion was Stalin). The comments were 50/50 'I love those names have you thought about Antigone' and 'Don't be ridiculous the poor child' but what really wound me up was one of the aegeaus-lovers saying 'we here in London are becoming more open minded about names'. told you it was irrational but I've got heartburn and a pounding headache and a rant is the only thing that will help either of them Felt like replying that here in Kent we are also open minded about names but ffs there are no baby Stalins running around our playgrounds

<apologies in advance if I've done a Percy and offended anyone here with my commuter belt yokel rant>

marzipanned Fri 13-Sep-13 12:08:31

Thanks for all the kind house comments! Did a thread in Property/DIY about it and was recommended that I shouldn't be in the house while treatment is carried out as they use very strong chemicals which could be harmful to baby... misskat I WISH re the dream house but we have actually been looking for a while now and have decided to build our own as nothing round here really appeals!

Anyway it looks like at the very least we'll be moving into a short term rental. Am amazed by those of you who moved when heavily pregnant/with newborns!!

sunflowered your post did make me laugh, I actually really like Caspian (no way would DH ever allow it though!) but Stalin?!! WHAT?! Why not just call your child Hitler Mugabe Assad and be done with it?!

marzipanned Fri 13-Sep-13 12:14:09

PS My friend gave me a pair of maternity trousers. What a revelation!! Any other small bumps who don't think they need them yet... get them anyway! SOOO comfy. Amazing.

EeyoreIsh Fri 13-Sep-13 12:29:07

Who would call their child Stalin, that's awful!

I've made myself a very spicy soup for lunch to shake the cold. I'm not sure it needed the extra chilli though grin

the brace will be worth it, although I'll be having jaw surgery once baby is here to straighten my jaw out. I can't say I'm looking forward to baby+surgery. I hope baby gets DH's normal jaw genes!

sunflowered Fri 13-Sep-13 13:16:48

London people obviously - they're 'open minded' <disclaimer: I was a london person until very recently grin >

I quite like Caspian too. Working on dh to get Caspar onto the list but he thinks it's too friendly ghost.

You poor thing with surgery to prepare for. It will all be worth it though - after 9 years wired up I was unrecognisable and more importantly my mouth worked. Another one here hoping the bambino gets dh's teeth/jaw but please not his terrible coordination or his nose if it's a girl

sunflowered Fri 13-Sep-13 13:21:33

grin at hitler mugabe assad.

EeyoreIsh Fri 13-Sep-13 13:57:39

sunflower you had braces for that long?! wow. I'll stop complaining!

sunflowered Fri 13-Sep-13 14:07:13

Sadly yes. Started at 8 and finished at 16. The second half of that was redoing the benefits of the first half which were all undone when I (obviously unexpectedly) grew and got my remaining adult teeth. Doh. Money hungy dentists No surgery though, just uncomfortable every now and then - and I'm now too much of a wimp to even go for a checkup so have big respect for anyone going through it as an adult - especially the surgery.

EeyoreIsh Fri 13-Sep-13 14:10:45

I'm getting it on the nhs, thankfully as otherwise it'd be unaffordable. I was basically given the choice of doing it now or waiting until my remaining baby teeth fall out. I went for now so I can have more benefit from finally having a proper bite and nice straight teeth! Sometimes I lurve the nhs.

SugarMiceInTheRain Fri 13-Sep-13 14:52:43

I have to say I'm really not a fan of pretentious names, though it's probably heresy to say that on MN grin

Still haven't given any thought to names for this one. Maybe finding out whether it's pink or blue will spur me on to open the dreaded baby names book again... confused I have, however, probably firmly painted myself into the 'traditional names' corner by giving both my boys Biblical names.

SugarMiceInTheRain Fri 13-Sep-13 14:55:57

Oh and I do have a pregnancy related moan - haven't yet had my exemption certificate through - been badgering my MW who up til now has just said 'It should have turned up by now' - eventually rang the Community MWs number and they gave me the number of the health costs people who receive all the forms from MWs and send out Mat. Exemption Certificates. No record of me at all. Nothing received from my MW angry so now I have to go back to GP surgery, get an FW8 form, arrange for GP to countersign it to verify that I am indeed pregnant, and send it off myself. Aaarrrrgh!

sunflowered Fri 13-Sep-13 15:22:30

Was about to agree with eeyore about loving the nhs then read your post sugarmice... I love the nhs but wish some bits worked better. You'd think that an organisation that can operate on people's brains/replace vital organs/carry out in-utero treatment on unborn babies would be able to fill out a simple form and post it when it says it will.

jazzcat28 Fri 13-Sep-13 15:31:23

Sugar that's rubbish, though I had to send mine off myself anyway!

Handed in the dissertation today - such a weight off my shoulders! I'm looking forward to celebrating tonight with a microwave jam sponge and custard.... Oh how times have changed!

tinypolkadot Fri 13-Sep-13 15:39:25

sugar I had to send mine off too, I had to ask my mw for the forms at my 16 week appointment. It took just over a week to arrive. Free dental treatment here I come (haven't been for over 7 years....slightly worried!)

marzi I'm wearing my first pair of over the bump jeans and they are amazing! Even more amazing is when I tug them up and I can feel what I think is my uterus getting hoisted up too

Littleen Fri 13-Sep-13 16:09:38

EeyeoreIsh - hope your braces feel better now, I know how you feel, had them too years ago!

jasscat good job on handing in your dissertation! must feel so good smile

Whilst my bump still just looks like extra pie, I can very clearly feel my uterus when lying down, and also can feel baby moving - but only ever on the left side of my tummy, and most of the time only when I lie down on my left side. Do feel it now and then when sat/stood up too, but it seems to prefer faffing when I am still :P

EeyoreIsh Fri 13-Sep-13 16:26:16

jazz well done on your dissertation, you must be so relieved to have got it in!

braces are a good excuse to have chippy chips tonight grin what bump I have is actually cake and chips grin

marzipanned Fri 13-Sep-13 16:54:17

Yeah jazz that's fab, well done you!! Go wild with your microwave sponge grin I am so impressed!

I hadn't felt much movement today so had a mug of sugary tea and she gave me a few strong ones - anyone not certain if they're feeling kicks or not, maybe give a bit of sugar and caffeine a try? (I only have caffeine about once a week, so might have had a bigger impact on me than if you have every day though...)

Milkandtwo Fri 13-Sep-13 17:04:20

Had 20 week scan today, all good and well (phew) and we're team blue! smile

laura0007 Fri 13-Sep-13 17:25:22

Yay milk congrats! Are boys outweighing the girls so far?

tinypolkadot Fri 13-Sep-13 17:27:52

Congrats milk grin did you have any thoughts that it might be a boy before you had your scan?

misskatamari Fri 13-Sep-13 17:34:51

Awwww congratulations milk! grin

Marzipanned - good tips about the drinks. I'm still not sure I'm feeling kicks so will have another Pepsi max and hopefully baby will kick! You'd better get yourself and baby marzi on grand designs when you build your dream home!

Lol at the stupid names! Stalin indeed - what a twat! I guess I can't talk with some of my choices (but DH and I have luckily decided not to use Spartacus as a middle name so we're trying!)

I had to ask for an exemption form at 16 week app too and I got it filled in and addressed with a stamp on and have no idea where it has gone so might have to wait for 25 week one to get another unless I find where the hell I've put it!

Phew so glad it's Friday! Wow - I watched a video on elements with my year 11s the other day and it showed how salt is made and mr drugs came to class today and was telling me how he's still amazed that its made from things that can kill you and he went home and told his mum all about it! grin At least I've taught him something hey!

Has anyone got any tips for comfy shoes or preferably boots? My feet - especially my heels are really aching from standing up all day. I wear flats which are normally fine but now I just end up achey. I've got giant size 9 feet too hmm i think someone mentioned doc martins before so am
Tempted to get some if they are comfy for standing in.

Sassy20 Fri 13-Sep-13 17:38:51

Congratulations on finishing your dissertation Jazz.

Congratulations on team blue Milk. X

misskatamari Fri 13-Sep-13 17:41:05

Congratulations jazz! I bet you are so relieved! Have a lovely relaxing weekend with no work to do! grin

sunflowered Fri 13-Sep-13 17:41:23

Congratulations milk smile

I can't remember who asked but I'm not sure whether what I'm feeling is movement or sluggish digestion. Though it did kick the doppler at mw appt and was moving all.over the shop while she tried to hear the hearbeat. It was really wriggly at the scan too so think I'm in for an uncomfortable few months if it keeps this up!

sunflowered Fri 13-Sep-13 17:41:55

And congratulations on the dissertation jazz smile

Poppy954 Fri 13-Sep-13 17:46:45

Congratulations milk. Is this your first can't remember from previous posts?

I'm so jealous of all the nesting instincts. I'm the opposite, so tired to the extent I rang the mw today to ask if I cam have my bloods taken again. Last had them done at 8+3 when my hb was 11.3 now 18+0 and I know it's dropped lower. She was a bit obstructive said 'it is normal to feel tired in pregnancy you know' I said 'yes i know this is my third baby but I wouldn't expect to feel this tired in the second trimester'. She then said 'eat a healthy diet including lots of red meat and chocolate'. !!! I told her I'm vegetarian so she said eat loads of green leaves. I said it's easier said than done when I'm at work full time. She then latched onto that and said it's because I work full time and I've got two other children. I pointed out that they are 14 and 8 so hardly running me ragged. Eventually she conceded that I should see my own mw on weds and ask to have my bloods taken. Bet she'll be strict and not do anything else like listen to the hb seeing as I've sneaked an extra appointment.

Well done jazz.

Poppy954 Fri 13-Sep-13 17:57:17

Missk tesco have loads of comfortable looking boots online.

Also - sorry to keep being a drama queen but does anyone else experience sudden blood sugar drops once or twice a day? They are truly horrible. I go from feeling fine to almost fainting / shaking ( can't quite describe it) in minutes. It happens if I don't eat every two hours.

poppy I was getting the very sudden blood pressure drops too but either they have subsided or I am eating better/regularly...

vix206 Fri 13-Sep-13 18:22:46

Poppy - yes I had these up until 19 weeks. They have gone now though.

Milkandtwo Fri 13-Sep-13 18:48:30

tiny was convinced it must be a girl as every one of my friends has boys so it seemed about time for a girl! poppy it is indeed my first...
misskat I add scholl heel insoles (from boots) to all my shoes and boots - they just give a tiny lift and bit of cushioning/spring that makes quite a difference when you're stood for long periods. (I find 100% flat, like ballet flats) quite painful after a while...
Aldo do comfy boots. DM's, once worn in are the most comfy shoes ever (perhaps after legitimate-outdoor-slippers aka Ugg boots) I've never quite got over my teenage longing for 19 hole cherry reds with rainbow stitching. One day.

SugarMiceInTheRain Fri 13-Sep-13 19:08:49

Milk congratulations! I guess we should make a list of team blue/pink/yellow as I am completely losing track, then we could C&P as we have our scans...

Quite surprised at how many people have had to send in their own exemption forms. The guy on the phone said the MW normally sends it in after the first appointment or first scan confused, once there is confirmation of pregnancy. sunflowered I am on the whole so grateful for the NHS and think it's a wonderful thing. Just getting unnecessarily wound up about what is actually only a minor inconvenience. Anyway, got form, filled it in there and then and handed it straight back to GP receptionist, so hopefully that'll get sent early next week. Fingers crossed. I'm in dire need of a dental check up. It's been a couple of years blush

SugarMiceInTheRain Fri 13-Sep-13 19:17:18

DMs are fantastic by the way. If you're in or within easy driving distance of Northants, try the DM factory outlet in Wollaston. Boots which retail at £100 for £35!! I bought myself 2 pairs grin I'm finding at the moment I prefer something with a slight wedge - finding ballet flats for example uncomfortable - need more of a sole. Boots work well, but I have some slip on shoes which graduate from flat at the front to 1.5 inch heel and find them very comfy.

vix206 Fri 13-Sep-13 19:19:53

I'm 10 miles away from there sugarmice. Another amazing local factory shop is the Eveden one which is just 2 miles from me in Desborough. Fantasie and Freya bras for a fraction of the cost with expert bra fitters grin

misskatamari Fri 13-Sep-13 19:51:51

Ooooh thanks ladies! I will definitely get some of the scholl heel things! I've been wearing my biker boots for the last couple of days which has helped a bit but I want some lovely comfy soled boots so I'm very tempted by some DMs. I can't wear ballet flats at all any more as they just kill my lower back and I end up in agony hmm sensible shoes all the way for me! Will look into how far away the outlet shops are (as I also need new bras!) although I haven't heard of them so probably a million miles away.

Ikea trip done too and I now have loads of boxes so hopefully will tidy this weekend, along with lots of resting! smile

marzipanned Fri 13-Sep-13 19:53:08

Lovely news milk, congrats!

So far I can think of two team pink and two team blue but I'm sure I'm forgetting people...

I haven't bothered sending in my exemption form as prescriptions are free here in Scotland anyway. Must say that my experience of the NHS up here has been so much better to that south of the border, but I think the per head spend is quite a bit higher up here so shouldn't really be surprised...

DawnOfTheDee Fri 13-Sep-13 19:58:53

Fab news milk - glad the scan went well and congrats!

vix206 Fri 13-Sep-13 19:59:09

I updated my entry last week on the Facebook list to show team pink smile

vix206 Fri 13-Sep-13 19:59:28

Congrats milk by the way. Boys are just brilliant grin

jazzcat28 Fri 13-Sep-13 20:39:08

Thanks all! Am dead chuffed the uni work is now complete, I'm having a weekend of catching up with DH and friends and then the nesting commences!

milk congrats on your successful scan and yay for team blue!

I'm still team yellow but feel more and more tomboyish in myself every day (spent today in DH's hoodie) so much so I think I'm also team blue. Still gonna hang on for the surprise though.

Didn't have sponge pud in the end but a fish finger sandwich instead. Heaven!

LittlePandaBear Fri 13-Sep-13 20:56:48

Just adding my congrats for Jazz on uni work done and Milk for finding out that you're team blue! It must make it fell more real to know which gender you're having. Can't wait for my turn in two weeks.

I had a sober work night out last night, supplier buying £80 bottles of champagne and I'm there with a non alcoholic cocktail - not the same! And I had to take the drunk girl back to the hotel in the taxi since I was the sober one! The drunk girl used to be me! wink wine

Having a nice quiet weekend though where I'm actuallly going to sort out loads cupboards for things to throw instead of just talking about it like I've been doing for the past month. Nesting instinct is kicking in!

Somanychanges Fri 13-Sep-13 21:38:28

Well done jazz bet that's a huge relief.

Milk great news that the scan was all good and your exciting news.

Poppy can you not just make a doctors appointment for the blood test. My doctors have been much more helpful than the midwifes. Hope you feel less tired soon, I'm right there with you and it's no fun.

Something funny for you ladies. I was at the hospital seeing consultant on Tuesday. She was asking me about something I can't remember what it was but I said I had not had it during pregnancy as I had gone off it (must of been coffee or something) then my 6 year old son comes out with
"But she hasn't gone off alcohol, she drinks that all the time while she is pregnant." shock

I don't even drink that much when not pregnant I'm lucky if I have 1 glass of wine every few months. And I certainly have not had a single drink whilst pregnant while I've been spewing my guts up for the last four months.

She just laughed along with me hopefully she realised my son was just being silly. But what a weird thing to say the little monkey.

jazzcat28 Fri 13-Sep-13 22:00:10

Just woke up in a sweat realised I forgot to sign the bloody hard copy dissertation before I handed it in. Am gonna have to hope that's not an immediate fail and beg for forgiveness on monday afternoon which is the earliest I can get there again (1hr drive away and I have a meeting at work first thing)

Bloody baby brain!

CalloohCallay Fri 13-Sep-13 23:55:04

Just posting to moan - had day from hell as discovered I was bleeding while at work this morning. Been into hospital and all checked out, baby fine but doctors not sure what's causing it. Is it too much to ask for a non-eventful pregnancy? [rant over] angry

Sassy20 Sat 14-Sep-13 07:04:45

Callooah - I had bleeding a couple of weeks ago. It's so scary but I was told the same that it happens quite a lot and that baby was fine. Hope you're ok. X

Thingymajigs Sat 14-Sep-13 07:45:44

Same thing happened to me, its so scary and impossible not to worry about despite everyone telling you its ok. If it helps though I had unexplained bleeding for two weeks at 14-16 weeks and again after sex at 18 weeks. Hospital wouldn't check me but baby is currently doing somersaults so I'm assuming everything is ok. smile

EeyoreIsh Sat 14-Sep-13 08:05:36

oh callooh how scary. The same thing happened to me, it was utterly terrifying but seemed to have done baby no harm. I hope you don't get any more bleeding.

misskatamari Sat 14-Sep-13 08:09:06

Callooh, I'm glad everything's okay. It must be so scary and worrying.

Oooh I've just joined a fb group for local mums my friend at work recommended and it seems really good for telling you about what's on in your area. There's also one for buying/selling baby stuff too so good for bargains. I think most areas have them (and they are closed groups usually so thins don't show up in your news feed). I've no clue about baby things around here as a first timer so hopefully it should prove quite useful.

Oooh got a craft show today so hopefully I will find some nice wool - and not spend too much money on things I won't have time to make!

Also I have apples and bananas that need eating - so am hoping to make apple pie and banana cake but of current form is anything to go by I'm not holding my breath hmm want my baking mojo back! Hope you've all got lovely Saturdays planned (even if they involve not moving from the sofa grin)

EeyoreIsh Sat 14-Sep-13 08:12:55

that sounds like a fun day planned katamari. I'm going to finally do things with the blackberries I picked last weekend, jam and those crumble cupcakes grin

then onto the highlight of the weekend... stripping wood chip wallpaper. Oh joy!

Does anyone else feel like they need to be a bit more active now? I did no exercise yesterday and I'm really itching to go for a run of swim.

Poppy954 Sat 14-Sep-13 08:16:48

Thanks for the reassurance that it
Might stop soon pretty and vix. I hope so. I also think eating less sugary things seems to help to stop
The sudden crashes.
Somamy - I phoned the drs first as i agree that makes so much more sense but said I had to ring the mws at the hosp. Think no-one wants to take resposibililty!

Jazz - email your tutor today to let them know.

Calloah- glad things are ok. A lot of ladies have had this and are fine. I know it's not what you want to see though.