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October 2013 - Are we neary *there* yet?!

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MrsHoratioNelson Sun 25-Aug-13 18:39:46

Welcome, welcome, sit down, put your feet up.

<Rolls out gym balls and hands round Gaviscon>

Spreadsheet here

Haylebop12 Sun 25-Aug-13 18:51:38

Checking in!

Shirehobbit Sun 25-Aug-13 18:52:24

Would it be wrong to have another bowl?

roofio87 Sun 25-Aug-13 18:55:13

checking in!! had a very busy day here with my niece and nephew. been lovely. apparently my nephew can't wait to teach the baby how to act like a pirate!!smile

textbook Sun 25-Aug-13 18:55:28

Thanks MrsHN grin

MoN hope you're ok after your fall - maybe take it easy for the rest of the day?

Party went well - only 1 child cried (when he lost his balloon!) Dd had the best time, but is now very very tired, so dp is putting her to bed while I watch Ace Ventura on the telly grin

textbook Sun 25-Aug-13 18:58:39

Shire Crunchy Nuts were my craving last pregnancy - the only time I ever got a ++ on my urine dip test was when I had wolfed 2 massivebowls before seeing my midwife. I was blush when I had to explain. They are soooo moreish...

I'm fine though I may take your advice textbook and laze around eating tiramisu. Still got to move myself and iron school uniforms though.

PseudoBadger Sun 25-Aug-13 19:01:46

Thanks MrsH love the spelling mistake grin

Hope you're ok after your fall MoN?

Hope Nat is feeling ok tonight.

I've decided that dp is being a tit. Competitive tiredness and now tonight competitive back ache. He's fed up with me being pregnant by now I know, and I'm fed up with him being fed up with me. Grrrr

Shirehobbit Sun 25-Aug-13 19:02:14

I am going to resist.
No, really I am.

Must stop thinking about them...

Umlauf Sun 25-Aug-13 19:07:07

Checking in.

tiramisu tiramisu tiramisuuuuuu.

Last night of holiday (not that its felt like one as I can barely move in the blasted heat) so we're off out for dinner. Chinese or Pizza.... hmmm....

Shirehobbit Sun 25-Aug-13 19:13:39

Confession time.
I've been a difficult cow today. Baby is sat really uncomfortably low down, caused my legs to buckle with pain eveningsat one point, I've snapped and sulked and just been generally fed up.
I don't know long DH will put up with it without joining in. And I can't say I blame him.

Umlauf Sun 25-Aug-13 19:17:44

Does anyone have the Maxi Cosi Citi car seat? Just in case you haven't seen this recall

Natalieand Sun 25-Aug-13 19:19:22

Oh dear I laid down as I had another funny s of feeling sick shakes etc like yesterday and thought perfect opportunity to feel for some baby kicks..... 2 hours later I've just woken up and were off too some local fire works in a minute..I'm sure its ok as I've had no further bleeding and I've had a few kicks today just not as many as I usually have so I'm gunn monitor tonight and possibly go in to be monitored tommorow if all is still the same.

Purchased some hospital bag items today, nightie, face wipes, lip balm, body spray. Now just too start on more practical stuff for it lol. I got a black nightie with pink spots on and buttoned down the front about 1/4 if the way (even tho I'm bottle feeding) for £4.50 in primark for those still needing nighties zxz

Flyer747 Sun 25-Aug-13 19:20:16

Checking in I'd like a front seat in first class please grin

Mon hope all ok. Do you eat tiramisu daily by any chance grin I eat chocolate or cream slices or scones daily.

I only had to wear a sea world t shirt today yey! And we were so busy I didn't have to walk around selling raffle tickets, chuffed! I hope tomorrow follows suit as well.

Happy bank holiday everyone.

MrsHoratioNelson Sun 25-Aug-13 19:30:46

Bugger Pseudo I was hoping no-one would notice grin

Oh and as for this: "tiramisu tiramisu tiramisuuuuuu" I have a choice of tiramisu or caramel pannacotta in my fridge for pudding smile

Another productive weekend - real progress on the baby's curtains, got Lansinoh, PJs for after baby arrives, moses basket stand, bottles just in case, pruned the wisteria, built my Poang (soooo comfy) and sorted out what baby clothes we still needed. Phew! Oh, and I had a massive piece of blueberry cake after my lunch smile

Not daily flyer sometimes I mix it up a bit and have profiteroles or cheesecake grin
It's Desperate Dan's fault. It would be rude not to eat it when he's bought it for me. There's another one in the fridge that I suppose I'll have to force myself to eat as the use by date is today. Oh well. I'm sure I'll manage.

Umlauf Sun 25-Aug-13 19:34:31

oh horation you have a poang? Ikea trip nuber 2 is on Saturday and I'm wondering about the Poang! Are you going to use it as a feeding chair? That was my intention...

Flyer747 Sun 25-Aug-13 19:41:56

MrsH pruning your wisteria, impressive stuff....I need my bush pruning too (did not mean that in a rude way I actually have a bush outside that needs cutting) grin

Go desperate dan he sounds like a keeper mon. DP just bribed me "go and get me my debit card from upstairs and I will drive and get you some chocolate" I flew up the stairs. grin

checking in!

PseudoBadger Sun 25-Aug-13 19:43:19

We have a table booked for dinner at 8. DS won't go to sleep sad

Warlin Sun 25-Aug-13 19:45:26

Checking in! Another thread, surely this one will see a birth or two..or three!

Thanks for starting it mrsh

Busy day today so am totally wrecked. Time to sit down, relax and wait to dh to cook dinner smile

I just had a roll and tomato in lieu of dinner. I'd cooked a beef curry but I very rarely eat red meat and always manage to convince myself it smells off.

MrsHoratioNelson Sun 25-Aug-13 19:55:50

Umlauf it would be a perfect feeding chair, that's precisely why we bought it. It is sooooo comfortable, I may not even leave it to give birth grin

BUT make sure you get a footstool too. DH was too stingy to buy one - we bought the grey sheepskin cover for the chair when it was on offer and it was quite expensive, but of course I knew I wanted a footstool and now the grey sheepskin isn't available any more hmm

claphammama Sun 25-Aug-13 20:02:55

checking in! hope everyone has had a nice day.

I had a terrible night last night and hardly slept - seems we are all taking turns... so had a quiet and boring day today to recover. Haven't accomplished anything I was planning to accomplish today but never mind. So exhausted today...

oh nice pseudo... where are you going? somewhere nice?

mrsh why doubts about Conrad? Is it because you still don't feel it's a baby name? I agree but reckon they are babies for such a short time... I've met 3 grown up Conrads and they were all handsome, manly and charming. Perhaps that's why I like this name so much grin. I think we are still set on it and we really don't have any other names we agree on. Do you have other names you both like?

I also have bushes that need trimming - at least the ones outside I can still see and reach so may tackle them tomorrow grin

MoN sorry about your fall and hope you feel ok and not too bruised? You have to eat the cake if the use by date is today... otherwise you would be rude and wasteful. Have to eat it...

textbook well done on the party today. I admire your energy...

I may watch a horror tonight on Apple TV... need something to wake me up and remind me I'm actually still alive

MrsHoratioNelson Sun 25-Aug-13 20:05:47

Clapham! You are right! I am being silly.

(But I did have to snigger about you taming your inaccessible bushes while you can still see them grin)

Flyer747 Sun 25-Aug-13 20:12:00

I'm watching Dragons Den on bbc2 Peter Jones is my ideal man, so smooth and arrogant grin

legallyblond Sun 25-Aug-13 20:18:27

Hello! Checking in... Knackered... First full day without DH... Phew!

claphammama Sun 25-Aug-13 20:19:49

Piers Linney would be my choice flyer... very dashing

Flyer747 Sun 25-Aug-13 20:22:03

Clapham he is wearing too many rings. grin

DP assembling cot, I expect the swearing to start very soon.

claphammama Sun 25-Aug-13 20:29:54

oh you are right... not sure about the rings...

is your DP going to be like my DP assembling the changing unit? "half an hour job"... grin

MrsHoratioNelson Sun 25-Aug-13 20:34:04

If its like the Poang, it will be a bit of a bugger. There was a lot of huffing and puffing...

Flyer747 Sun 25-Aug-13 20:38:56

Yeah his words "I'll have this up in an hour caz" I guarantee come 11pm he will still be sweating over it grin

Tarlia Sun 25-Aug-13 20:50:35

Talking of bushes, I was pondering how I'm going to do anything about mine... I cannot see it from any angle.. Tell me you arnt all going for waxes, I just cannot face the pain on top of everything else. I think I might just stay hippy blush.

Good luck to Mr Flyer with that cot.

Another job ticked off my list today, so that feels good. 34 weeks and STILL no hospital bag though :O

MrsHoratioNelson Sun 25-Aug-13 20:57:09

Tarlia me neither - there just isn't space in the baby's room at the moment.

PS you need one of these

SmallBee Sun 25-Aug-13 20:58:26

At 33 weeks in beginning to feel very ready for this baby to come! Just been on a small binge involving lasagne & Jaffa cakes and I am well aware there is a tub of Hagen Dazs in my freezer. Willpower left me about three weeks ago.

legallyblond Sun 25-Aug-13 21:05:06

Tarlia, I have to have a wax to prevent midwives attacking the area for a pre c section shave.... Eek.

Tonight: squirm, squirm, wriggle, wriggle, kick... Actually making me wince, much as I love it!

ananikifo Sun 25-Aug-13 21:08:06

tarlia I know you can hire or buy birthing pools but I don't know where we would put it.

After all the stress this week with moving, furniture, unpacking, and the resulting aches and arguments, our house finally feels like a home. Still a messy one, but that's ok. smile

umlauf and mrs horatio we have too much living room furniture so the poang chair and footstool are going into the nursery for nursing. My friend didnt like it because she breastfed really upright and almost leaning forward but LLL recommend this laid back position that I think is perfect for the poang.

Tarlia Sun 25-Aug-13 21:08:54

Must be crazy having two moving around in there, legally. Sometimes my one makes me feel queezy after eating! Have they said they'd do that? I recently read that hair was actually better for healing..?

Hora when are you due? Hmm maybe I'll try a blind trimming, but can't shape what I really cannot see as I'll end up with some funky shape which will cause more chuckles :D

Pinkforboys Sun 25-Aug-13 21:14:43

Evening ladies. Glad to hear it's been a relatively uneventful day all round, though I hope those of you feeling 'ick and suffering trips are all mended now. And please send me some of that caramel panacotta....

Having an 'interesting' evening here...DS has wangled a sleep in his cousins' room tonight (7&4yo) and after an hour of stories and whines and cries and tantrums (not DS I'm proud to say) they're still awake . Grandma on story duty now. It'll be about midnight by the time they drop off.
Always an eye opener to see how other kids behave at bedtime... (and a relief to know that DS will get a decent kip in the car tomorrow on the way home)

Tarlia Sun 25-Aug-13 21:24:26

Mmmm, Whittards white hot chocolate...

legallyblond Sun 25-Aug-13 21:26:50

No Tarlia, I just assumed to be honest... C section is all new to me! MoN?! You are the c section expert after 4 (or 5?!).. I'll check on Friday (my 36 week check). That's my final check up before the three days pre op for steroids, antacids, energy drinks and bloods etc... This all feels v soon!!

MrsHoratioNelson Sun 25-Aug-13 21:29:28

Erm, DH usually "assists" if assistance is required Tarlia blush

Flyer747 Sun 25-Aug-13 21:29:50

Major Drama in the flyer household and we've only just fixed one side to the base grin

Tarlia Sun 25-Aug-13 21:37:19

Just had a google re shaving and CS, seems different hospitals want different things. If you google 'shaving before c section <insert hospital name>' you'll probably find their fact sheet as loads of hospitals popped up. Those that do want you to shave say has to be done 48 hours before. Others say they will do it with clippers rather than razor as less likely to become infected.

Uh oh, flyer. I'd go to bed if I were you :D. Our base goes in last...

claphammama Sun 25-Aug-13 21:39:51

flyer grin grin we are not with the same guy right..?

I'm going for a wax as don't trust DP with anything sharp near there and don't trust myself either. The question is she... I think 38 weeks as had DS at 39+1. Might be a good training in coping with pain!

DP is playing with his camera again... someone help me please... he was at it until 12.30 last night - until I scream at him following a series of 20 flashes photographing our bedroom in the dark... help me...

claphammama Sun 25-Aug-13 21:41:29

meant "the question is WHEN"... not she... stupid phone

Flyer747 Sun 25-Aug-13 21:50:29

Clapham he is having to take a 5 minute break and has cracked open a bottle of wine grin

Had that many f@&k's so far shock

Haylebop12 Sun 25-Aug-13 21:55:04

I tried to trim my bush earlier too. I stood in the bath with a mirror and I still couldn't do it! This is how I know in bigger then with dd as I was able to sort of push my bump to one side and get at it.... May try the hair removal cream tomorrow as I reckon I'll be able to feel where in putting it, since its a cream?

One more shift to goooooooo grin

roofio87 Sun 25-Aug-13 21:55:05

im just attempting to keep a little trim down there but not worrying too much about the state of it. im sure the mws and drs have see it all and dp has certainly seen things a little over grown!!grin

Haylebop12 Sun 25-Aug-13 22:00:17

roofio they have definitely seen worse, I'm not stressing about it tbh but promised dd I'd take her swimming this week confused

claphammama Sun 25-Aug-13 22:04:24

flyer... we are with THE SAME man...!!

hayle LOL

I say - let's all go feral!

PseudoBadger Sun 25-Aug-13 22:05:37

Just back from a yummy Turkish dinner.

I'm not trimming or removing any hair btw (unless they tell me to at pre-op)

Wickedgirl Sun 25-Aug-13 22:16:37

Is it me or did we get through the last thread super quickly?

Mon I hope you're ok?

Nat.......if this baby is a boy, it will be Theo and my youngest son is called Harrison. You and I must have similar good tastes. grin

ananikifo Sun 25-Aug-13 22:20:23

* haylebop* have you ever used hair removal cream before? It basically burned my sensitive skin (on legs) when I tried it so no way would I put it in my bikini area before giving birth! If you aren't used to it I would do a patch test first.

I have an electric bikini trimmer which I use blindly. I figure it's better than nothing, even if I miss a spot.

Haylebop12 Sun 25-Aug-13 22:22:30

Yes ana I use it regularly because I am <ahem> quite hairy and dark and don't like waxing. Shaving just doesn't last long enough. Probably less than 24 hours tbh!

ananikifo Sun 25-Aug-13 22:23:45

Then I'm jealous. I have thick dark hair but extremely sensitive skin.

Haylebop12 Sun 25-Aug-13 22:30:35

That's one thing I hope my children don't inherit, my hairiness.

What creams did you try?

ananikifo Sun 25-Aug-13 22:37:22

I think I've tried veet and nair. The problem was my hair was so thick I had to leave it on for a long time to get the hair off cleanly, but I started to feel the irritation even before the time on the bottle. I'm also allergic to hair dye and I've had comments about my sensitivity when I got my legs waxed.

char1eston Sun 25-Aug-13 22:39:47

Thanks for the new thread mrshn

Legally You're usually asked to shave 1 inch below bikini line but I have a naturally low hair line so never have to bother and am more often than not completely shaved anyway, though I'm trying to get used to having some hair as daily shaving post birth is a pain in the arse

Haylebop12 Sun 25-Aug-13 22:52:17

Oh dear ana sad

ananikifo Sun 25-Aug-13 22:57:12

Yeah I'm just allergic and sensitive to everything, lol.

I've now bid on a mini birthing pool on eBay. This one is cheap, so we can do a trial run of inflating it and see if it fits in the kitchen, which is the only place I can imagine it going. We've come so far from DH flat out refusing to contemplate home birth!

moonblues Sun 25-Aug-13 23:15:16

legally I had emCS with my DS and was attacked by a midwife with a disposable razor, so would definitely recommend shaving the top of your bikini line before your section, though I'm sure the midwife will advise you what your hospital recommends.

moonblues Sun 25-Aug-13 23:18:34

MoN hope you're ok after your fall. You must have had a scare.

AnythingNotEverything Sun 25-Aug-13 23:23:37

Just marking my place ... And having a giggle as us all struggling to keep things near and tidy, even if they're out of sight. I'm struggling to dry myself downstairs never mind do a neat job! I was measuring 37 weeks at 32+2 last week ... It's only gonna get worse!

We built our pram today. Really exciting milestone. Must not take it for a walk. That would be weird.

Think we'll see babies on this thread, but wow - you ladies really sped through the last one.

Someone gave up their seat up for me on the tube home for the first time tonight smile had a nice evening with friends, I am getting too big and waddly for late nights in soho now though.

Umlauf I get wet patches on my pjs that go crusty and sometimes wet patches on the bed. I would rather do washing than wear bra and pads 24/7 though and it is not all the time.

We bought a poang chair too for feeding, £17 for chair and stool on ebay. Worth a look as there were several pages of them on there.

Hope you all have a good night.

MoN was it you that fainted/ fell over a few months ago too? Hope all is well. Nat glad been no more bleeding.

chickieno1 Mon 26-Aug-13 01:37:06

Hope you're ok mon

Did the fireworks bring on baby movements nat?

Having trouble with trimming here too. Planned to take ds swimming today so had to shave this am. Couldn't see a thing and did a terrible job! Will def go for a wax around 37 and half weeks although dreading it!

Hope everyone gets some sleep xx

Going to leave putting cot up for another few weeks. Dh still has sinusitis/manflu so he'd probably end up throwing it out the window in frustration if he tried to do it now grin

Flyer747 Mon 26-Aug-13 05:23:02

God not slept my tummy is really sore and tender all around my belly button feeling crap. hmm

Iheartcrunchiebars Mon 26-Aug-13 06:43:09

Oh no flyer are you working today? Or can you go back to bed?

I'm in pregnancy panic mode now. I don't think I've eaten healthily enough, I should have exercised more, taken more pregnancy more etc. I just hope the baby is ok.

Tarlia Mon 26-Aug-13 07:07:01

Good morning, mama's flowers

flyer hope you don't have to work today and can rest. I've had lots of cramps and tender tummy since Friday, think I pulled a muscle getting out of bed which sounds rediculous!

crunchies baby will be fine, don't forget women have been having them for centuries way before medical intervention. I think today things are a bit too OTT and pretty impossible for anyone to live in a pregnancy bubble and do everything right.

GAP website has a 25% off everything, including the new lines just for today - code: GAP25 Oh do tempting but really do not 'need' any clothes until he turns 6 months now!

Iheartcrunchiebars Mon 26-Aug-13 08:02:41

Thanks tarlia not much I can do now anyway.

Will take a look at gap. Thanks for that.

Have a lovely bank holiday non self employed people!!!

Happy bank holiday everyone

I've been nesting by proxy this weekend - dp and bil painted and moved around my bedroom yesterday so there is now room for the cot. And they are doing my front room today. Once the painting is done I can get onwith sorting drawers and washing baby clothes.

Need something to keep a 3 year old boy and 10 year old girl entertained all day, out of the house, not too expensive and minimum walking or standing for me. Any ideas?

Natalieand Mon 26-Aug-13 08:21:53

How about soft play bowlfull? Xx

Hope your feeling ok after yesterday's fall MoN xx

Phew... At least u got away with the fancy dress and raffle ticket selling flyer... Not so good that u was busy all day though x ..... Perhaps call in sick seen as they worked u so hard yesterday? X

I'm not leaking anything as yet, I can get some colostrum if I have a good old squeeze though xx

chickieo movements r still a bit slow but I think he his behind my anterior placenta because I've just seen a few movements but not felt them... So gunna hold off a bit longer and see what happens, I always feel like such a pain over the hospital!

Wrt to trimming 'the bush' I've been trying to keep on top of it but it seems everything is growing an alarming rate these days will just do my best for now as not sure i want dh doing it for me, I draw the line at him shaving my legs lol

Yes Orange it was me that fainted. I think a couple of others did too. I slid on my behind all the way down the stairs this morning too but I'm fine

I can still see to trim but my skin seems extra sensitive now which makes shaving a pain.

Shirehobbit Mon 26-Aug-13 08:52:07

Morning all.
Someone seems to be taking great pleasure in jamming body parts up under my ribcage this morning.

I was wondering - should we add a page to the spreadsheet for arrivals? grin

legallyblond Mon 26-Aug-13 09:04:58

Bleurgh.... Was violently sick this morning. Feeling better after eating something. Just me and DD again today so I'll try and take it v easy, if that's possible with a 2.10 year old and a puppy!!!!

Obviously really hoping that the sickness is not a sign of anything starting to happen as DH is over 14 hours away till Thurs... Gulp sad

pinkbuttons Mon 26-Aug-13 09:21:12

Morning ladies, just checking in after a night away and your on to the next thread!
Hope your ok legally and those babies are behaving themselves and waiting for their Daddy to get home. Are you feeling any better?
Have read through whole thread but names are escaping me. Just wanted to say whoevers DH was being an arse mine is the same with the competitive tiredness and aches and pains, yesterday he told me I was being too mean to himhmm but he was being so irritating. Think were both fed up of me being pregnant now but Im still the one thats actually pregnant. Sorry for rant.
nat how are movements now? glad to hear youve had no more bleeding.
Had a little panic here on Saturday. had alot of leakage whist doing the dishes to the point my jeans were wet. Phoned midwife expecting a "see how it is in a couple of hours" and was told to go in and take my hospital bag (which wasnt packed) Thankfully all was ok although have a lot of watery discharge, sorry for TMI. was embarrassed but glad it wasnt just wee or waters going. 34+2 here today and this hospital bag is getting properly packed today!

pinkbuttons Mon 26-Aug-13 09:23:43

meamt to say alao debating the waxing vs hair removal cream down below before birth. Have been using cream up until now to try to keep on top of it a bit bt would quite like to be mostly neat before baby is born. Does anyone know if there is a limit to what point you can get them done? I used to wax myself but that is just not going to happen anymore and DH is most definitely not getting anywhere near with a razor or wax stripsconfused

Tarlia Mon 26-Aug-13 09:51:50

Goodness, MoN you really are in the wars. DP will be cuffing you to the bed for your own good before long, not for kinky stuff.

P-Buttons that must have given you a scare, but glad it was a false alarm! What week did you have DS?

Nat have you tried putting music on your phone - mothercare app has tunes for bump - and putting phone on bump and watching? Bubs always wakes up when I do that with intense moves, so you might see (but not feel) your little guy dancing around.

shire sounds good, the spreadsheet, not those pesky toes in the ribs.

I can get my calves if I sit on DS toilet stoll in the shower - tough to get back up though!

Sparkeleigh Mon 26-Aug-13 10:05:41

pink I've been getting the same for the last few days. Not enough to make me panic and everytime I put in a liner to check it stops...

flowers legally maybe it's the prelabour thing that can go on for weeks? I'm not sure if that's comforting or not!

Nat I missed that you had bleeding, are you ok?

Wrt trimming. I asked DH to help me and although he was very careful it was nerve racking having someone else down there with something sharp! Maybe I'll get cream instead of asking again! grin

Umlauf Mon 26-Aug-13 10:32:50

I've been using the cream, the regrets is much comfier and its easier to apply.

Bloody heck, this morning I glimpsed myself in the mirror and I think I've developed stretch marks. On the bottom of my bump to the sides, it was hard to tell but they look a bit like veins. Horrid. Feeling very sorry for myself now as still got 5 weeks to go and I'm going to look revolting.

Eliana is breech oblique ( lying diagonally) with her head squashed up against my lungs. I feel like I can't breathe unless I'm stretched out on the sofa. I think I'll nerd to Google some exercises that might encourage her to turn. Apart from the breathlessness the kicks in the cervix are quite sore now that she's bigger.

Haylebop12 Mon 26-Aug-13 11:11:27

umlauf I have acquired one stretch mark in the underneath of the bump and its gradually getting more visible. Started off looking like a scratch. I've got quite a few angry looking ones on my hips though. It's inevitable but they will fade :-)

takingachance Mon 26-Aug-13 11:29:20

Hi ladies, checking in again from the Outer Hebrides - legally I know how you feel as my DH is in the Shetlands for another week.

I think I have generally managed to keep up with some of the threads, but I can't believe how quickly the pages are added!!

33+1 here and wishing the time away. Not doing too bad with niggles, just constant rib flare pain on the left which means I can't sit on a normal chair for more than 5 mins - standing is the only comfortable position but it gets a bit tiring. Or else lieing forward draped over the gym ball.

I also had the fun of trying to blind trim yesterday - honestly its positively dangerous!! God knows what it looks like - I daren't look in the mirror!

Last check (last week) and baby was still breech, but that was the same with my dd; she turned by 36 weeks, so hoping the same this time.

I started antenatal classes last week. There is no birthing pool here and I was surprised when the midwife went on to say that an epidural wasn't really an option either as there was only one anaesthetist on the island and they will probably be otherwise engaged in the operating theatre!! So guess my options will be limited....will just have to grin and bear it hmm

I've never had stretch marks during pregnancy but that's because I acquired plenty as a 19 stone 18 year old. They've all faded to silver now and aren't too noticeable.

Natalieand Mon 26-Aug-13 12:42:47

Yes I'm ok thanks sparkleigh it was only a small amount over night on sat night. None since. Xx
Thanks for the suggestion tarlia and pink but I've had a lazy morning on the sofa and have felt a decent amount of movements

33 weeks today.... 7 long weeks left, I have absolutely no idea how I'm going to cope with this pelvic pain for they much longer I really don't. I'm jealous of all u 35 weekers! X

Natalie I've had some bleeding in all 4 of my previous pregnancies that turned out to be nothing though I know how scary it can be.

Iheartcrunchiebars Mon 26-Aug-13 13:38:11

Hi takingachance I can relate to your remoteness... My pain relief options are gas and air and/or paracetamol! Yeeks.

legallyblond Mon 26-Aug-13 14:31:34

takingachance - DH is on Lewis today (in Shawbost) and Harris tomorrow!! We live in South West England.... So he's very far away!

GTbaby Mon 26-Aug-13 14:41:35

Checking in.

Hopefully lo will wake soon so we can go to kiddicare to look at pushchairs again.

JellyCurls Mon 26-Aug-13 15:43:23

Hello ladies, can I have a hug? Just had to chase my 2.5 yr old across school playground then wrestle him back to car and can now hardly straighten up. Not sure what hurts more tummy or back

takingachance Mon 26-Aug-13 15:50:51

Oh gosh, crunchie at least I can have diamorphine if needed! You must be more even remote than me wink

Ah, legally he's not far from me today then smile does he have to come up here often? It really is the back of beyond and the most remote place I have ever lived! Been here 6 years and hoping for a move to the mainland next year sometime. That said, it is actually a lovely place for young kids, but perhaps not so much fun for teenagers (I have 2 dsc who are teenagers)

Natalieand Mon 26-Aug-13 16:16:46

Aw jelly virtual hugs for u. Troublesome toddlers! Who'd have them xxx

I feel more u ladies giving birth in places that don't have a range of pain relief available as even if u werent planning to use them its nice to have the option available isnt it?

GT have u narrowed buggy options down at all ? X

Flyer747 Mon 26-Aug-13 16:54:20

Oh poor you Jelly hope you are feeling a tad better.

I still have a pain in my tummy, called triage they think i may have strained a muscle, feels really tender so that would fit. She said either a pulled muscle or its my abdomimal muscle seperating yuk!! Got to sleep at 6.30am awake at 9am to call in work sick, feeling like death warmed up.

Shirehobbit Mon 26-Aug-13 17:23:26

Sorry to hear about more aches and pains, ladies flowers

We've had a lovely day on Llandudno's West Shore - just took a chance and hopped in the car this morning. Weather was glorious, not too crowded, dog had a great time, yummy lunch...
We sat on the beach and watched loads of families with small people playing.
Can't believe that could be us next summer!

pinkbuttons Mon 26-Aug-13 17:35:12

Sounds lovely shire smile
Sorry to hear about pain flyer
and sending you hugs jelly that sounds like hard work!
I have inlaws over today and have been told by brother in law do we really have to choose the name we have because he really hates it hmm and am in trouble because have repeatedly put my foot in it because FIL doesnt want to know the sex of the baby and Ive referred to her and she multiple times so now MIL is upset...maybe I should just give up be antisocial and go to bed. grrr sorry for rant!
tarlia had DS on his due date so no reason why this baby would be early. really only phoned for reassurance as we were going away for the night and was told to go in. How are you feeling now? How is BP doing?

roofio87 Mon 26-Aug-13 17:56:51

oh pinkbuttons how ridiculous. tell your fil its your baby and if you want to take about the sex thats your choice!! and tell bil its his problem if he hates the name!! people are so ridiculous at times!!

Wickedgirl Mon 26-Aug-13 18:11:18

pinkbuttons I had my first on her due date but number 2 came 10 days early. You might not get to 40 weeks either?

Natalieand Mon 26-Aug-13 18:19:01

wicked that makes me feel optimistic.....dd was born 39+5 so maybe my 7 week countdown Wong be 7 weeks after all...

pinkbuttons remind me what name u have chosen? Either way its pretty rude regardless I mean if he really didn't like the name he could have aired his un wanted opinion in nicer terms than 'do u have to choose that name I hate it'

My mum asked me on Saturday what names we have chosen I said we liked theo dexter and Harrison but had no idea if it would be either of them 3 or something completely different and she turnt her nose up at them and said out of them all she preferred dexter... Which is funny cos dd likes theo and dh and I are swaying towards Harrison lol so I think even if we do decide we will keep it to ourselves in real life as ppl r less likely to have an opinion she i present your new born if they don't like the name they usually pretend they do anyway.

Hope r u feeling this evening flyer? X

Haylebop12 Mon 26-Aug-13 18:20:05

My mil is convinced I will have this one early because I had dd at 37+5. hmm even though with her four two were early and two were late so not sure where she's getting her info from, not experience anyway!

Hoping weather stays nice this week so I can get baby's stuff washed and attempt to get organised. Last shift tomorrow eeeek!

Sounds like a lovely day you had shire

buttons some people can be so rude, we have had very mixed reactions to baby's name but that makes me want it even more!

flyer ordering you to some rest and relaxation!

Natalieand Mon 26-Aug-13 18:27:07

P.s baby has been head down the entire down but something is telling me he may have turnt transverse due to a change in where I'm feeling movements....I'm 33 weeks today if he has now turnt transverse he could still turn back couldn't he? I've got scan and consultant next week anyway.... And can I just say that by the end of this week it will officially be September and babies will be popping out before we no it :-0

Nat willow was transverse after being head down for a good few Weeks but she is back to head down today im sure. Im 35+1 now xx

Shirehobbit Mon 26-Aug-13 18:38:43

I really have no idea which way up the baby is blush.
Should I?!
With an anterior placenta and a bit of, erm, natural insulation, how would I know? MW has recorded them as head down at the last two appointments, but I've not been seen since 28wks (now 33).
I've certainly felt a heaviness in around my pubic bone, with some cervical pain, in the last couple of weeks - could be head or stompy feet? confused

We finally bought our pushchair and car seat today! We went for the bugaboo cameleon in petrol blue. We decided the peach was too small and too heavy.

I hadn't looked at the uppababy vista until today but it compared well to the cameleon and was quite a bit cheaper anyone who is still looking. It is too wide to fit in my boot and I wasn't keen on the shiny fabric but it had lots of other good features.

I am now looking for deals online as we have 28 days to tell john Lewis where it is cheaper and they will match the price as long as it is in stock in a shop, not online deals. I like to get a bargain! So far found about £100 cheaper looking at a cou old of places.

I reccomended buying a poang second hand, I thought I should mention that the covers say don't wash, the ikea website says you can wash at 60. I washed at 30 and didn't tumble dry but they have shrunk and won't go back on now so we need to buy new ones. It will still be cheaper than a new chair and footstool though.

monkeytree Mon 26-Aug-13 19:30:40

I like the title of this new thread "are we nearly there yet?" I feel like an impatient child as I keep counting down the days even though I know things haven't changed in the last few hours since I asked myself the same question - how many more weeks to go?

Feel like I'm fighting off a cold. DD has a cold. I was dreading her return back to school next week and when the children get back together and share their bugs and pass them on to me. I'm hopeless when I get a cold, totally miserable. DD is fairly resilient.

Feel a little low today (maybe due to cold virus) and feeling a little sorry for myself - even though I'm doing O.K as far as pregnancy goes. Feeling extremely frustrated at not being able to function as normal. Perhaps in need of some alone time. DH is at home this week but I seem to get irritable with him too. I think it's more to do with my frustration at not being able to physically help with things. He is doing some jobs around our home which I know would get done more quickly if I were physically able to help - clearing spare room, lifting boxes, stripping wallpaper, I'm not used to being incapacitated and usually share jobs instead of supervising which doesn't go down well with DH! Also limited patience with dd at the moment which I really don't like as it's not dd's fault.

Back to work next week. I know it will be good for me in some ways (I work very part-time hours) and the days will pass more quickly but wondering how I will have the energy. DD goes back to school next week. Sadly I had a run in with her head teacher just before the summer hols. The culmination of this was the head suggesting that if I wasn't happy with the school that I should consider looking around for an alternative school in the area. I was so furious about her suggestion that I've written to the head of the school Govenors and so our disagreement rumbles on.

I know this is going to be so worth it in the end, I have waited so long for this pregnancy and wouldn't change things but do struggle at times.

Sorry for the long post things feels so much better when written down.

legallyblond Mon 26-Aug-13 19:44:17

I'll catch up properly once I've eaten, but just to so that all fine here I think. Although been manic busy all day with DD do not felt the twins move - I'll give them a poke once I sit down!

Monkey - I had a horrendous cold that lasted two weeks... Only just over it. I felt totally rotten so sending you hugs x

pinkbuttons Mon 26-Aug-13 19:44:38

Thankyou for the reassurance ladies. have gone from being angry at myself for putting my foot in it to being angry about being put in that situation in the first place, stupid people.
Weve chosen Isla, natalie has been our girls name since before we knew DS was a boy, told BIL so and that funnily enough we wouldnt be changing it for him hmm I would never expect everyone to like a name but is just so rude to feel the need to tell someone like that. his actual words were, "do you have to call her that, I hate it and will be embarrassed to tell people I have a niece called it"angry as if I care how he feels when he has to tell ppl his nieces name! ridiculous!
Anyway I still love it so meh smile
Exciting about pram orange!!
I know thisnis old but wanted to say the other day Im so jealous of your bugaboo donkey legally! I love it but obviously couldnt justify the cost with us only needing a double for a short space of time.
Also exciting about it being nearly September then we can all officially say that well be having babies next month grin
definitely hoping this baby is a little bit early wicked 10 days would be perfect smile

Natalieand Mon 26-Aug-13 19:47:42

legally I am absolutely dying to see a pic of your bump!!

I absolutely love the name Isla pink, I used to look after a little girl at nursery called Isla and she was the sweetest thing and it was also on possibles list for us before we knew we were having a boy....xx

Isla is a lovely name Pink It was on my list. The only reason we didn't go for it is that being in Scotland there are quite a few girls called Isla.

monkeytree Mon 26-Aug-13 20:08:50

Pink I really like the name Isla, it's a really pretty name. Suggested it to a friend who was looking for a Scottish name (her DH is Scottish). She agreed it is a lovely name but also very popular apparently. However I have not heard many girls named Isla in the area where I live.

pinkbuttons Mon 26-Aug-13 20:14:28

Thankyou ladies thanks to you allsmile I know seems to be very popular was in top 10 which I was surprised about as I dont know any in our area, but weve decided to go for it anyway. I was one of 3 people in my school yr with the same name so have just decided nevermind as we love it.
Sorry your feeling so rubbish monkey hope you manage to fight off your cold quickly is hard enough being so pregnant without being ill too x
glad all is ok legally dont know how you keep up with DH away, growing 2 babies and chasing another child round!

roofio87 Mon 26-Aug-13 20:16:37

I love the name Isla, would have been on our girls list but doesn't go with surname!

xuntitledx Mon 26-Aug-13 20:37:44

34+1 and I felt like sharing that I've now put my waterproof sheet on the bed! grin

My niece was 7 weeks early so don't want to take any chances!

PseudoBadger Mon 26-Aug-13 20:39:23

My waters broke in bed last time - I woke up with a jump as they went and was out of bed so fast (somehow with a 38 week bump!) that there wasn't a mark on the bed!

Flyer747 Mon 26-Aug-13 20:46:23

Pseudo I just read that as "My waters have just broke" I was thinking holy shit 2nd October baby en route.

Natalieand Mon 26-Aug-13 20:51:08

pseudo I was asleep in a hospital bed when mine broke, but I too managed to get up out the bed before it left a mark, the midwife thought I was lying till she saw the puddle on the floor lol.

I'm seriously feeling rediculously unorganised right now dh gets paid on Wednesday so I really wanna rush out and buy everything else we need as by his next payday i will be 38 weeks but as its the 'surprise' baby shower in 12 days I'm gunna hold off till then incase anyone buys anything that I'm still needing, and as its a 'surprise' I keep mentioning things I still need lol naughty naughty

claphammama Mon 26-Aug-13 20:57:07

Evening girls. A very emotional and happy day in this house as DS came back from Italy today and I'm just the happiest mummy ever... can't get enough of him. After two holidays in the sun he now looks so tanned and completely blonde. And seems so grown up! But now that he is in bed I'm so nervous about my placenta scan tomorrow morning... I really hope it's moved up. Mixed feelings - really looking forward to seeing the baby again but worried about the results. fingers crossed... also for you orange, you are also scanning tomorrow right?

glad all is good legally - one day less without DH around smile

pink I agree with everyone - this is ridiculous. It's your baby and your pregnancy - people shouldn't comment on names in this way, he can call his baby whatever he wants. And it's not supposed to be some kind of a surprise for your FIL. Just ignore both - people forget their place sometimes

shire sounds like a lovely day. Don't worry about not knowing where the baby is. I had no clue when pregnant with DS. I do now but I think it's a combination of me being more aware the second time round and having no stomach muscles left grin

monkey, flyer and others feeling low or shuttered - hope you have a better evening brew

sorry of I'm forgetting anyone! it's been such a busy chatty day

claphammama Mon 26-Aug-13 21:00:10

ps. I also misread pseudo's post! I thought it was only my pregnancy brain smile

Shirehobbit Mon 26-Aug-13 21:06:27

Lovely that your boy is home, safe and sound, Clapham smile

Hope you get some good news at the scan tomorrow (and Orange too).

PseudoBadger Mon 26-Aug-13 21:07:54

Ha ha I was careful to put in 'last time' and '38 weeks' so as not to confuse anyone grin

My last week at work this week, hooray! I've got to call for my GTT and Pre E blood results tomorrow so hopefully they'll be fine.

Good luck for your placenta scan Clapham

Shirehobbit Mon 26-Aug-13 21:11:24

Oh, and thanks for the position reassurance - I had a bit of a poke and a prod while having a bath earlier (no, not like that !) and my bump is kind of universally firm with the odd harder bit - all seems pretty unidentifiable to me confused and I don't think baby appreciated my interference, having a right old harumph-like dance afterwards wink

Thanks, was just logging on to say good luck to to too in the morning Clapham. Thinking lots of placenta raising thoughts!

Soupqueen Mon 26-Aug-13 21:32:43

Good luck scanners!

shire, I haven't a clue either, I'm quite sure the anterior placenta doesn't help.

Isla is a lovely name, it's only not on our list because DH's best friend has a (gorgeous) wee girl called Isla.

I'm shattered, really need to lie down but know if I do the reflux will be worse.

Flyer747 Mon 26-Aug-13 21:41:06

Good Luck Clapham and Orange with the scans I hope it's positive news for you both.

textbook Mon 26-Aug-13 21:53:25

Good luck Clapham and Orange - I'm desperately hoping the low placenta club will be just me after your scans tomorrow. Remember the odds are on your side - more than 90% will have moved by this point thanks

I've also got a scan tomorrow just to check on my placenta - I think the chance of it having moved up are non-existent, but if you could send 'not moving down any further' vibes I would be very grateful grin

Thread moving very quickly as always - Flyer and monkey hope you're feeling better, pink Isla is a gorgeous name, don't listen to ignorant people. legally fx you're resting now with lots of lovely twin movements. Hope everyone else has had a good BH weekend smile

ananikifo Mon 26-Aug-13 22:01:04

Good luck tomorrow, clapham, and I hope everyone feels better.

Isla is an absolutely lovely name, pinkbuttons. Don't listen to anyone else.

My baby is up at the top of my bump, pushing into my ribs, and making my back hurt. At least I assume that's what's making my back hurt. He's been crazy active this weekend, with larger movements. I think someone was talking about earthquakes in their bellies? That's exactly how I've felt.

Natalieand Mon 26-Aug-13 22:07:43

Good luck at tommorows scans text orange and clapham xxx

Hope twins are moving around plenty now legally


ananikifo Mon 26-Aug-13 22:12:07

Oh sorry. Good luck to orange tomorrow as well.

Thanks, good luck textbook too. Quite excited to see my little one again but also a bit nervous.

claphammama Mon 26-Aug-13 22:18:47

thanks textbook thanks and fingers crossed for you too x

ana I was talking about earthquakes smile it was about two weeks ago when he kept changing his position completely. He is now settled head down so just kicking me in the stomach or in my sides. Do you know if your baby is already head down or still keeps swimming around?

pseudo and hayle lucky you finishing work this week!

ananikifo Mon 26-Aug-13 22:24:30

clapham baby has generally been head down but had been shifting position so much this weekend that I don't know anymore.

Haylebop12 Mon 26-Aug-13 22:41:15

Good luck to all you scanners, sending "hope it's not moved further down" thoughts to textbook

clapham I am very pleased to be finishing tomorrow. 8 hours on my feet is starting to take its toll. I reckon I could do another few weeks if my shifts were shorter tbh.

Fee up of not sleeping well/everything aching/being constantly attacked from the inside/needing a wee every five mins. Come on son, 37 weeks and you can make an appearance. (Just so I got time to get my hair cut once dd has started school grin)

rubytwosday Mon 26-Aug-13 22:52:16

Good luck with your placentas tomorrow Clapham, Orange and Textbook. I have my 34 wk midwife appointment tomorrow. Baby was breach at 31 weeks and I'm not sure she's moved much but I can't tell what the lumps are. Just got into bed and baby has had hiccups for about 15 minutes. Was cute to start with but now I want some sleep! Someone mentioned the waterproof sheet earlier.... Rookie question but do you get waterproof sheets for Moses basket / cot?

Tarlia Mon 26-Aug-13 22:54:24

Just a quick note to wish Orange, Clapham and textbook good luck and placenta floating up vibes.

badger I had to read it twice too! Good luck with those bloods tomorrow fx.

legallyblond Mon 26-Aug-13 23:02:01

Good luck tomorrow scanners. I hope the placentas have shifted...

Some movements - not the somersaults of yesterday, but some squirms and wriggles.

LostMySocks Mon 26-Aug-13 23:16:35

Shire. How are the pain in your pelvis? I had pains in my legs last week and the MW said it was because the head was resting on the nerves in my pelvis. She recommended sitting on all 4s. Worked a treat. After less than 10 mins baby must have moved slightly and horrible leg pain vanished. Came back once on sat night but this time only a couple of mins on hands and knees did the trick

If you ask your MW which way baby is lying they're usually more than happy to show you.

legallyblond Mon 26-Aug-13 23:55:48

Ok, so Nat and anyone else, because I don't have Facebook, I think that if you click on my name you can see a picture of me plus bump (plus DD) taken last Sunday, so 34+1. I'll leave it up for a couple of hours tomorrow morning then whip it off again! It's profile, which is the only way you can really see the bump! As I've said before, I am smaller than I was with DD as its just all bump - I've lost weight in my arms snc kegs... Every ounce of calorie bring used to grow two I think.... Leg me know if it doesn't work.....

I can't click on your name legally, maybe your profile is still private?

Can't sleep tonight sad

Tarlia Tue 27-Aug-13 06:26:41

Hope you got some sleep, orange.

Legally, you need to make your profile public, or add those that you want to see to your friends list.

Jelly how are you feeling today?

p-buttons I'm still here, jogging along but pushing for an early induction with consultant at my scan Thursday on the advice of GP and MW. I love the name Isla though would have to use Islay as in the island. It's very popular in SW London and Scotland, but who knows what will be in that top 10 at any given year. 2 fingers up to your BIL, MIL and FIL.

ruby getting lots of baby hiccups too. Yesterday both baby and I had hiccups together, which was odd, luckily not at night time!

Hayley hoping for a speedy, uneventful last shift for you!

Not a lot! Thanks Tarlia. DH up with toothache in the night too, what a pair! At least I am off work for another week so can nap/take it easy on bad sleep days. Really not looking forward to going back. Yay on last day for Hayle!

JellyCurls Tue 27-Aug-13 07:16:43

Tarlia I have been up all night with bad pelvic pain, sprinting is obviously not recommended at 35+ weeks pregnant. On paracetamol already this morning and think I will be wearing my very sexy support girdle today.

Hope the rest of you lovely ladies had a good sleep and good luck to all today's scanners

Natalieand Tue 27-Aug-13 07:33:05

Holy SIATICA! Is all I can say this morning I suffer from it usually on and off but this is like an extreme version of it it cripples me to the floor as if I've been shot!! I hope the baby shifts off that nerve before long!!

legally I too am not able too click on your profile too view the pic xx

legallyblond Tue 27-Aug-13 07:39:45

Grrr - my profile and my photos say available to all mumsnetters.... I'll have another go later on my laptop. When I look at my "public profile" it'd find and I can't see that it's set to private for editing etc... Argh.

legallyblond Tue 27-Aug-13 07:41:57

This is so annoying!!

pinkbuttons Tue 27-Aug-13 07:42:04

Good Luck to all scanners today, sending positive placenta moving thoughts to you all,
also to those with mw appts. baby head down movements to everyone else smile
Glad still ticking along tarlia fingers crossed for more answers this week with regard to induction.
and yey for last days and weeks of work! this thread is so busy already cant imagine what it will be like when were all off on maternity leave before babies start arriving grin
Awful night here so sending sympathy to everyone else that had bad nights sleep and aches and pains this morning. x

Hi all I vanish off site for a few days and we are on page 6 of a new thread! I can't keep up!

Hope everyone's scans go well today and blood tests as well. Hope overall everyone is surviving these last few weeks smile

I am struggling with worrying about birth to wanting her to come early as then she won't be as big and I might manage to have her as vbac rather than ending up with emcs - just going round in circles and ending up wanting to cry which is why I haven't been on for a day or two as just can't stop it all bubbling over - sorry sad

33 weeks tomorrow which means sweep in 6 weeks and due date is 7weeks away. It is fast approaching now!

legallyblond Tue 27-Aug-13 07:47:39

I give up for now... I just can't see what I need to change - it looks to me like its all set to public!

Really good luck scanners x

ananikifo Tue 27-Aug-13 08:06:12

Good luck to everyone today, and I hope you have a good last shift, hayle!

I can finally start counting down my last month of work. Our office etiquette dictates it's probably time for me to start thinking about some kind of leaving meal but I'm very lacking in inspiration.

legallyblond Tue 27-Aug-13 08:31:17

Eek, just remembered - c section in two weeks today!

Haylebop12 Tue 27-Aug-13 08:46:06

Thanks everyone... Good nights sleep compared to some but dd been up since 6am so I'm in a vile m

Haylebop12 Tue 27-Aug-13 08:46:19

Mood smile

Eek! You're not still at work are you legally?

First time mum question - are you meant to use a sheet in the carry cot part of a pushchair?

legallyblond Tue 27-Aug-13 08:50:23

Hayle - snap. And she woke up at 2am, but just for 5 mins with a cough wanting a glass of milk...

Ooooh that is definitely Eeeek Legally hope they behave for u for next couple of weeks!

Good luck to all those having scans, I had a low lying placenta with DD1, it had moved by my 34wk scan, funny seeing arms and legs filling the screen, you can't see much!

Back home now after lovely wkend away, just loads of unpacking and washing to do (so much from just 3 nights away!) Was lovely to have some last time away as a family of 4!

Wriggly baby still constantly on the move here, uncomfortable sometimes when it pushes out hard, reassuring to have lots of movements and I'm trying to enjoy this as it will be my last pg! xx

legallyblond Tue 27-Aug-13 08:52:39

Not still at work - last week was my first week off.

I always did use a sheet in the carry cot, just so I could easily wash it.

Haylebop12 Tue 27-Aug-13 09:01:12

orange ill be using a sheet in the carrycot. Like legally said easier to wash if they're sick in it. Moses basket sheets should fit?

Ok I will order some. Thank you!

Flyer747 Tue 27-Aug-13 09:17:47

Good luck today textbook.

Enjoy your last shift Hayle

Love the colour of your buggy orange, I also have a cameleon albeit 2nd hand, but I'm still getting to grips with the workings of it.

Legally 2 weeks how exciting, they'll be here before you know it...I wonder if they'll make this thread or the next one.

So I weighed myself today and although I've still put on 3 stone to date I've gained no weight in the past 3 1/2 weeks so I'm pretty chuffed with that....Just hoping I can kind of maintain this somehow so my total weight gain won't be too much over 3 stone.

Warlin Tue 27-Aug-13 09:21:37

Morning all

Back into work after the bank holiday weekend and only 2 days to go! I'm off tmw as my parents are away so we have no childcare and then I finish on Thursday. Can't wait smile

Sorry to everyone feeling rubbish. I now feel like a 90 year old after 4 days of carrying DS around so glad for the break at work. My legs, back and bump are just aching by the end of the day. I can't sit around though so tend to just get on with things and suffer the consequences. Walked the dog for 4 days in row for more than an hour and it feels like a huge workout by the end. We were quite sad at the thought that this would be our last bank holiday weekend with ds on his own sad I know it will be good for him but I still feel bad about things changing.

clapham and orange good luck with the scans today....enjoy seeing your LOs and fingers crossed the news is all good (I'm sure it will be).

orange we had the red camelion and have now gone for the blue donkey. What colour is yours legally? I love the prams but bugaboo customer service is shocking so just hope nothing goes wrong with them lol

pink that is so rude. It's your baby and you can call her what you want. I think Isla is lovely. My friend has an Isla and she's such a pretty girl with a pretty name smile

clapham glad your ds is home again safe and well. Must have been so hard without him but sounds like he had a fab time if his tan is anything to go by.

WRT shaving I tend to just do it blindly...I know it's probably a bit patchy but I find my legs the hardest part to be honest as I can't bend over without feeling winded! Not sure I'd trust dh if his own face and the cotton wool attached to it this morning is anything to go by grin

I'm almost 35 weeks now and have had enough. Just want to finish work, get some me time and then start on the hot curries etc! I will die if I go over! legally can't believe you only have 2 weeks...eek and exciting too! Hope the babies stay put for the time being whilst dh is away!

flyer hope your dh managed the finish the cot in the end! Ours was surprisingly easy this time. And yes I'm with you on the Dragon front...!

Sorry for the mammoth post!

Flyer747 Tue 27-Aug-13 09:31:19

Warlin, it's still in the lounge half assembled....grin DP got all hot and bothered started shouting at me as pieces kept dropping out. We usually have a handy man in to do flat pack furniture, but no he convinced himself he could do it!

Warlin I agree I wouldn't let DH loose on me with a razor!

We got a few other bits yesterday like a bin for the nursery, waterproof sheet and first teddy. Just the bednest or snuzpod to decide on and order now and then I think we are ready for our arrival, although I want it to stay put for a good while yet even if it is making me uncomfortable.

Am I the only one who will be a bit sad when their baby isn't living inside them all the time and they have to share them with the world? blush Maybe in a couple of weeks I will catch up with you all and be hoping it comes soon. For now I am still enjoying the wiggles.

Pinkforboys Tue 27-Aug-13 09:36:42

Morning Ladies!
Hormones must be rampant this morning- I'm getting tearful reading all your posts- we're so close now after such a looooong pg- we've been pg ALL year!

We had a night without DS last night as he wanted to stay with his grand-p's for a night on his own. Our last night of undisturbed sleep for another 5 years I fear... I've now got 1.5hrs to wrap his b'day presents and clear up his room in which we've dumped all the recovered baby stuff. My turn to erect changing station and curse loads grin.

Great to hear the Bugaboo colour chat- we've decided on a Bee+ (courtesy of kind parents) as that will fit in boot and hall, but what colour?!? I love the petrol blue too but not many of the online places do it...

Re: protecting cot/moses mattresses, my Mum reminded me that I used a muslin to protect it and it worked a treat. You really can't have enuff of them.

A Q to you all- who's had the WC jab? I spent the w/end with SiL who's on the tail end of it, and have another friend who found out her 100day cough was WC. It must be rife in Norf London. I hadn't heard about it but I presume it's worth having? is it horribly painful <nervous frown>?

Pinkforboys Tue 27-Aug-13 09:40:34

Ps- any cat owners got any advice re:dealing with poo? I'm so worried about toxop. DH is dealing with the litter tray (when he remembers) but she's a bit ill at the mo and has v dirty bum that she can't wash properly and only I can handle her without her scratching. It shd be ok if I don't touch the c*@p shdn't I?

PseudoBadger Tue 27-Aug-13 09:41:52

Bad night's sleep here too - ended up on ds's floor for an hour again from 1am as he woke up every time I tried to get my elephantine self off the floor grin and then up at 5 for work. Still, the end is near....

PseudoBadger Tue 27-Aug-13 09:43:26

If you do accidentally touch any poo Pink then just be very vigilant about washing your hands and touching anything else before you've washed that might contaminate you again afterwards. It's not absorbed through the skin so you'd have to combine touching it with poor hand hygiene.

PseudoBadger Tue 27-Aug-13 09:51:43

I've had the jab Pink. I'm looking at the HPA pertussis (WC) surveillance results for April to June 2013 right now (we get sent them at work). I'll pick out the key things;
In England there were 1121 pertussis cases during this period (decrease of 31% on previous quarter).
Of mothers due in March 2013 57% had the vaccine during pregnancy.
Disease incidence is highest in infants under 3 months.
One infant died in May 2013 (first reported infant death in 2013) sad however cases in infants has shown a decrease since last quarter, and against the equivalent quarter in 2012.
The HPA attributes this decrease directly to the vaccination programme in pregnancy.
We are now approaching the months where pertussis cases are typically highest.

Hope that helps?

Pinkforboys I was a bit worried about the WC jab as not really been tested but I went for it and it didn't hurt at all going in, nothing like some of the nastier holiday vaccinations that feel like they are injecting into your bones. I didn't bruise at all, it was just a bit swollen like a muscly bicep and a bit tender for a couple of days if my DH rubbed it (why does he always gravitate to any part that hurts?!) or I lifted my arm up high. It didn't stop me sleeping on that side. No changes in baby's movements.

Wickedgirl Tue 27-Aug-13 09:54:11

Good luck to all those scanning today

pink can you not wear rubber gloves when dealing with the cat? Make sure you wash your hands well afterwards.

orange I used a sheet over the carrycot mattress and then a folded muslin at the head end to catch any sick. Both of my boys were very sicky babies due to reflux and its easier to keep changing the Muslims than the sheet.

Good idea with the muslin for sick catching. I imagine of you tuck it in at the sides there is no risk of them getting over the baby's face.

Tarlia Tue 27-Aug-13 10:00:14

pink most adults have had toxo, although weirdly I've not. Like badger said, just make sure you clean your hands really well. Disposable gloves?

Urg, badger doesn't sound fun. Is he having nightmares or something? We had our first, or what seemed like it, last week though luckily he resettles quickly before 5.30.

As well as a carrycot sheet I also use a doubled over muslin under the head as its amazing how much milk/spit up/snot can often come out. I've read on MN, though not tried, that a pillowcase works very well as a carrycot/Moses sheet..??

My monkey always wakes between 6-6.30 unless he has a random layin - usually a monday morning until 7.15 grrr. We have to be up at 6.30 in this house on a daily basis anyway, so his body clock is set.

Tarlia Tue 27-Aug-13 10:02:13

Wow you speedy lot! Cross posted loads haha

Warlin Tue 27-Aug-13 10:03:04

flyer love how it becomes your fault when the parts start falling off the cot smile I took the dog and ds out when dh started doing ours..and it was done when I came back. What is it with men...I suggested DH take ds and the dog to the park near our house for a short walk so I could get some housework done and his response..."oh, both of them, not sure I could manage both of them at once.....why don't you come too..?" So I ended up going (for my second walk of the day) to help him to an easier version of the long walk I do regularly with not only ds and dog but 8 month pregnant belly too.....men really don't have a clue...!!

pink I had the WC jab at 28 weeks but think you can have it up to about 35/36 weeks? And I'm not a cat owner but I would just make sure you wash you hands well after touching anything poo related and try not to breath in any cat litter fumes

pseudo sorry you had a crap night's sleep.

I went to bed early last night as was shattered and was promptly followed by dh who had other things in mind...feel bad rejecting him again but really, DTD is the last thing on my mind at the moment blush

orange I remember going out for walk and leaving ds at home for the first time with dh (just for half an hour) and I sat on a rock and cried my eyes out as I felt so empty inside. It is def hard when you have had a little one inside you for so long and then they are gone sad

I'm starving today....

PseudoBadger Tue 27-Aug-13 10:04:03

He just wakes up asking for mummy Tarlia; it's not every night any more, he seems to schedule it to my busy days grin

favellio Tue 27-Aug-13 10:07:39

Morning all,
Wow, I have a busy couple of days where I was unable to get on here and you lot have filled 7 pages of a new thread lol

I also have baby feet in my ribs and struggle to sit upright, as they press into my ribs/lungs, so have to do a very lazy looking slouch position hmm

I'm 34 weeks tomorrow and am in my last 2 weeks at work (finish on 6th Sept) I too have caught wind of my "secret" baby shower, if it is happening on the date I've heard then it's less than 2 weeks before due date. There's still a few baby bits I need to get and scared to wait until baby shower, to see if I get them, in case I go into early labour and don't get a chance to buy them, so may end up with lots of duplicates......hmmmmm dilemma......

I love the name Isla too. It's is in our top 3 (well my top 3 coz DH keeps changing his mind!) I like Jack, Lewis and Kai for a boy and Eden, Isla and Talia for a girl. Dh keeps coming up with names then going off them, so hopefully we can decide what to use once the baby is here!!

Has anyone noticed their baby is a lot more active now? I thought movements were meant to slow around this sort of time but mine are more frequent and stronger than ever. Perhaps it's because of my anterior placenta and the baby not being strong enough to make movements really felt in previous weeks?!

Hope you all had a lovely bank holiday weekend grin

You need the WC vaccine 4 weeks before baby is born for it to be effective, they say 28-32 weeks is best, but can have up to 38 weeks.

I imagine it is worth getting anyway so that you don't get it and pass it on to your new born baby if it seems to be going around in your area?

Ooh our tree wall sticker for the baby's room has just arrived from Hong Kong. Yay! Now got to figure out how the 196 or so pieces fit together...

Warlin I had my breakfast at 3.30 am so just had my lunch! I am very hungry today! Maybe it is growth spurt time.

HotSoupDumpling Tue 27-Aug-13 10:14:37

Checking in! On hols so will post properly later this week.

Pinkforboys, I wanted a petrol sun blue cover for our bee plus but apparently they don't do them. So we went for royal blue.

Sparkeleigh Tue 27-Aug-13 10:15:16

Good luck today Textbook Orange and Clapham!

monkeytree cake and brew. I know the feeling, I'd love to be able to start shifting the last bits of furniture around myself and patience isn't my strong point! I'm just telling myself it'll all come together in the end and going off and making myself some tea...

Pink - I had it and my arm felt bruised for a couple of days but it wasn't marked and I couldn't see where it had actually been done.

Wow legally that's amazing. I'm slightly jealous grin you'll have had three weeks of baby snuggles by the time I finish work! Which is obviously my own fault for being an eejit and not finishing earlier

Has anyone seen good deals on raspberry leaf capsules? My midwife said they're easier to take than as a tea, but they're really expensive in Holland and Barrett.

Holland and Barrett have the tea and tablets on buy one get one half price at the moment here

Has anyone had advice from midwife about when to start taking? Reading online different people recommend starting anywhere from 32 weeks to 40 weeks.

Good luck to everyone scanning today and fingers crossed for moving placentas.

I bought new bras a few weeks ago in 34 G but the past few days I can't wait to get it off at night as they've become so tight. I measured myself this morning and am a 36FF, so my ribcage must have expanded which explains why they were so sore a fee days ago.

I'm tempted just to buy some cheap pull on bras from Asda that will be ok for nursing too. They don't offer very much lift though and I looked quite flat chested when I tried one on last week but I'm sick of buying bra's that only fit for a few weeks. I only like bra shopping when it's nice sexy ones.

Sparkeleigh Tue 27-Aug-13 10:39:00

Thanks OrangeBlossom2! My midwife recommended taking them from 36 weeks onwards, and to start off with 3 a day and work up to 9 a day as you get to your due date. I was figuring the bottles wouldn't last long at 9 a day, though perhaps by that stage I'll just want the baby out and will be willing to do anything it takes! grin

I have some tea that my friend gave me. I don't think it is as strong as the tablets but won't start drinking it just yet. (I am 32+2)

Sparkeleigh Tue 27-Aug-13 10:42:54

Oh MoN - it may be totally nuts, but I was wondering if a bikini top would work for breastfeeding, at least for a couple of weeks or until my size settles down.. I have a couple that still fit and are comfy and could be shoved aside...

I'm wearing crop tops from sainsburys atm and they're very comfy but I don't think I'd be able to get round them for feeding. I keep meaning to order those silky ones from John Lewis everyone recommended but haven't got round to them yet.

roofio87 Tue 27-Aug-13 10:46:29

just on the train in my way homr from a lovely long weekend at my parents. Baby is being extra wriggly today and the little girl sat opposite just shouted very loudly, "ah mum, I can see the baby moving in that lady's tummy!!" the mum was mortified but I thought it was so funny!!!grin

cazboldy Tue 27-Aug-13 10:54:48

ah roofio thats sweet smile

good luck to all ladies scanning today smile

Had a busy but fun weekend showing some calves at a local agricultural show, and a new baby calf born this morning smile

Starting to get geared up for the kids going back to school - only just over a week left sad

Having a pamper day I got my eyebrows and lip waxed (I had not done my lip all pregnancy i thought it about time!) and I am getting a file and polish done in a bit too thought i needed it.

I bought the last few bit for hospital bag and bubs some starter formula in case i don't feel like booby feeding at hospital (if i pph again) or it does not work, was going to go with hipp but its harder to get hold of so just went with Sma hope she take to it. Also boots has 3 for 2 on all baby stuff so I bought 3 different small bottle in case she does not like one, you can i tell i have FF before lol smile

x post so cute roofio smile

I've never had a bikini body sparkleigh so no bikini tops lying around. The John Lewis ones are expensive which would be fine of you only needed one but you'd need atleast 3.

roofio87 Tue 27-Aug-13 11:19:54

the jojo mamen bebe sleep nursing bras I've bought seem great. Just like crop tops really but cross over at the front so you can easily get a boon out. they were £16 for 2 so not top bad!!

I did have a Kok at them roofio but I don't think they'd do much for my saggy boobs.

According to the size chart the Bravado silk only fits up to an F cup in a 36 back.

roofio87 Tue 27-Aug-13 11:42:26

yeah they aren't massively supportive, just better for something at night to hold breast pads in really!!

GTbaby Tue 27-Aug-13 11:44:29

Argh such a bad night. Me not the lo. Sick of not being able to sleep. Sick of not being comfortable.
Getting that constant ache feeling in my tummy now. And feeling generally shit.
Snapping at FH this morning. Luckily he is being nice.
Lo has gone down for a nap now n all I want to do is sit. But got his food to prep.

Sry me me me post but im feeling shit and self indulging.

Moan over.

I think I'll just need to put up with being saggy for a while. I can't justify the cost of the nursing bras I really like especially when they won't fit for long.

roofio87 Tue 27-Aug-13 11:53:58

sorry you're feeling rubbish gt thanks
last few days my tummy has been so itchy!! its just my tummy so sure its just skin stretching, but it's driving me mad!!!

Warlin Tue 27-Aug-13 11:59:50

Thanks orange have just ordered some raspberry lead tea (20 bags) and capsules (30) but hoping they don't take the 10 working days to deliver as per the website! Got both for approx £6 with free delivery. Reading all the posts they may not last but I'm thinking I might start with 1 tablet and 2 cups of tea a day and see how I go. Think I'll be googling ways to actually induce labour too once I hit the 37 week mark!

I've done nothing on the bra front other than buy some cheap bigger size bras in the meantime from Sainsburys and Dunnes. Not going to buy any nursing bras in case feeding isn't successful (as I doubt it will be). I'd love to successfully breastfeed but I'm not a natural at it and I just don't see how it could work with a young toddler as well...I won't have the time for lengthy feeding sessions pinned to the sofa during the day!

I think we're all getting to that stage now GT. I just feel like a big fat lump now and it's making me miserable.

I'm the sane warlin. I've had problems with milk production with all my previous babies and had to give up. I really want it to work this time but it will be even harder with a baby who can't breathe and suck at the same time.

textbook Tue 27-Aug-13 12:06:57

Hello all - well, your placenta-raising thoughts seem to have worked, as it has moved up by a whole 1cm grin This is amazing news as apparently once it starts moving it should continue to grow upwards. I'm incredibly relieved, and although it's still classed as Grade II I am feeling positive that it's moving in the right direction finally!

Fingers firmly crossed for similarly good news from the rest of the club - will check back later x

PseudoBadger Tue 27-Aug-13 12:09:07

My GTT results are normal - hooray! I'm celebrating by eating loads of carbs grin

Yay textbook good news! Still not an excuse to do any silly lifting or anything but so glad it is moving in the right direction.

Yay for GT too. Good news.

I just did my Davina antenatal exercise DVD. Three times in 2 months is plenty right...? blush

Pinkforboys Tue 27-Aug-13 12:19:32

cake to pseudo & textbook!

I finished hoovering downstairs an hour ago and am still summoning up the strength/willpower to do upstairs and hang out the washing before leaving for potentially my last work meeting at 2.

Madam has hiccups.

My Mum says she'll remember this pg by my heavy sighs so I may as well do a few more...[sigh]

Warlin Tue 27-Aug-13 13:07:06

Yay textbook and pseudo hopefully today is a day of good news smile

GT just sit down and relax....we all get days like that. Just remember there really isn't long to go. brew and cake

JellyCurls Tue 27-Aug-13 13:28:13

MoN my dd had no suck reflex and low tone meant she couldn't swallow. I managed to express and bottle feed her breast milk pour it down her throat for six weeks to give her a good start. Best advice is as much skin to skin contact as special care will allow and lots of expressing to establish supply.

Having a cleaning day today but just thrown up, in my nice clean toilet, so now having a lie down. Poo

claphammama Tue 27-Aug-13 13:28:50

yay!! Your crossed fingers and placenta moving thoughts worked on me too as my placenta is now nice and high and out of the way. grin grin grin. textbook what great news for you! How many weeks are you now and when are they planning to scan you again? orange hope you will add to our good placenta news later as well!

The baby was very shy though and we couldn't really see the face. It was difficult to see anything properly with the normal scan to be honest - he is so big now. He is about 2kg now (just over 4lb). He is on 57th percentile so she reckoned he will be over 7lb or thereabouts. So average but not the neat 6lb 8oz DS1 was

and pseudo glad your GTT results were normal - enjoy your carbs smile

LOL - I thought I was the only person who used pillow covers in the carrycot but obviously I'm not! They fit perfectly so I was using them when I run out of clean moses basket sheets. orange, as everyone said, you will definitely need something washable there

warlin not long to go now! I still have 13 working days apart from today. Getting closer but still a bit to go - blah...

falcon you are well into your pampering! Good for you

I still haven't done much on the bra front. I bought one Elle MacPherson bra weeks ago as it was on sale - way too early... but bought it a bit bigger so hope it will fit... need a couple more I reckon...

Planning to pack my hospital bag tonight to mark my 32 weeks today!

Woop woop two down one to go on the placenta scans! Great news Clapham and that sounds an ideal size, not too big, not too small.

DH has come home early to go with me smile

Haylebop12 Tue 27-Aug-13 13:56:47

Afternoon, just on my break. Manager is a right moody arsehole today!

I haven't been offered the WC jab, I don't see me now till 35+5. If I'm supposed to have it 4 weeks before baby then that's worrying as I had dd at 37+5 so may not have time to take effect if I go early again? Think a call to mw tomorrow.

Anyone not planning on drinking raspberry leaf tea or taking capsules?

Great news on those placentas ladies. Come on orange make it a full house!

legallyblond Tue 27-Aug-13 14:06:11

Good news on the placentas!

Dancing manically with DD and the dog to Artful Dodger feat. Craig David on Re-Rewind followed by Frank S singing Mack the Knife (love Spotify random combos from my playlist) was not good on the hips...!

Hayle my midwife didn't do it, even though that's what the nhs info says, I had to make an appointment with a nurse at gp separate from antenatal appointments.

Shirehobbit Tue 27-Aug-13 14:08:35

Definitely a random playlist, Legally grin

I'm liking the placenta news ladies - fx for orange too.

PseudoBadger Tue 27-Aug-13 14:17:52

Good placenta work so far everyone!
Hayle my gp did the whooping cough for me as the funding to MWs had run out....
My iron level is down to 11; MW in the day unit wasn't concerned but I might take some Spatone or something.

Flyer747 Tue 27-Aug-13 14:19:30

Great news on the placenta scan news ladies, chuffed for you.

So my baby is currently breech, as I thought (dp said no way and I was imagining things) however mw appointment confirmed it today. Anyone know the likelihood of it turning? I'm 33+2

cazboldy Tue 27-Aug-13 14:32:52

I never have before Hayle have been toying with the idea, but prob won't bother

claphammama Tue 27-Aug-13 14:42:41

legally don't dance too much - the twins need to stay in for 2 more weeks smile

flyer apparently they can turn up to 36 weeks. Fingers crossed! When is your next appointment?

pseudo my iron was at 11 from 20 weeks blood test in my last pregnancy. It's not bad but borderline so they gave me iron. However, it was upsetting my stomach so much that I stopped taking it after a week - I managed to stay at 11 all the way to the end by changing my diet - it's next to impossible to raise it but you can maintain it. It depends on how you feel and how you react to iron I guess... I reacted terribly. The good news is you don't have long to go!!

ps. there is definitely something much harder than working... that's pretending to be working... I have so little to do now and everyone is now planning for October / November events / campaigns when I won't be around anyway

Flyer747 Tue 27-Aug-13 14:47:03

35 weeks next appointment so fingers crossed. I'd really like to try and avoid that baby turning procedure or failing that a c section if I can help it.

Slippysnow Tue 27-Aug-13 14:50:44

Urgghhh, I bought the raspberry leaf tea capsules from holland and barret (buy one get one half price) and had a little schedule to start taking them from 32 weeks introducing one then increasing the dose past 36 weeks. But I sp

Slippysnow Tue 27-Aug-13 14:55:40

Urgghhh, I bought the raspberry leaf tea capsules from holland and barret (buy one get one half price) and had a little schedule to start taking them from 32 weeks introducing one then increasing the dose past 36 weeks. But I spoke to the midwife and she said she didn't recommend taking them before 35 weeks because they can be very effective. She said she wasn't sure though and to consult a herbalist, so she has put loads of doubt in my mind and would regret inducing a premature labour, but likelihood is they will be beneficial and won't do anything to induce labour just do what they are supposed to. Stupid labelling from h&b not specifying or warning when not to take it!!!!

claphammama Tue 27-Aug-13 14:59:42

fingers crossed the baby flyer will decide to turn! x

PseudoBadger Tue 27-Aug-13 15:06:15

Thanks Clapham, I'm a bit worried as I had a pph/transfusion after my section with DS and i'd like my levels to be higher before anything happens I guess! I'll ask the consultant next week I think.

PseudoBadger Tue 27-Aug-13 15:08:42

Flyer I'm sure you've seen it already but there's a website called Spinningbabies. Good luck!

MrsHoratioNelson Tue 27-Aug-13 15:28:27

34 week appt with MW today - baby is head down, which is good, but MW said baby could turn again, so don't worry too much Flyer.

So, baby head down, birth unit number in my phone, bag largely packed, nursery almost there. All I need now is a baby smile

Warlin Tue 27-Aug-13 15:29:15

Yay clapham...one to go, good luck orange

flyer you should be ok for a few weeks yet. I'm concerned mine has spun again..not sure but there is a lot of body across me...maybe he's just filling the space...have to wait a week to find out!

slippy I don't think a low dosage would do any harm at 32 weeks...my friend did this. Just don't take the whole lot at once and maybe keep the dose low until 35 weeks.

clapham I have been the same for a few weeks now.....nothing to do, essentially being ignored. It makes for LONG days...and plenty of mumsnet time! It is pretty torturous isn't it?

legally dancing around with twice what I have?? Doesn't bear thinking about! I'm surprised you can walk, let alone dance grin

hayle Agree with the others..it's normally the nurse at your GP surgery that does the WC vaccine...if you want it, just ring and make an appointment.

flyer spinningbabies website is great for exercises...though I have yet to resort to the ironing board one :/

Could this day get any longer.........

Shootingstarsandcomets Tue 27-Aug-13 15:30:41

Found you all! Misse the end of the last thread and there are 9 pages on this one already!!
Have been very busy celebrating ds turning one. He enjoyed his party and we had a super day yesterday with just me and DH. Am thoroughly worn out now though.
flyer think babies can turn quite late on so fingers crossed yours does.
yay for all the moving placentas. We're getting really close now ladies.........

Wickedgirl Tue 27-Aug-13 15:51:09

Hayley.......I'm not planning on using raspberry leaf in any form........I read that if you have quick labours or fibroids you shouldn't use it and I have both.

Pseudo...... My iron was 9 when they put me back on iron tablets. I've had them twice now......once at the start of the pregnancy and again after my 28week bloods.

Thanks for the encouraging story. Just worrying ad all the others appeared to feed well. No problems with latch or anything and an hour of pumping in between feeds got me a teaspoon. My milk came in really late last time too.

I forgot my scan sad I had it in my head it was next week it wasn't it was today lucky they have booked me in for next week now. I got a cross phonecall from the hospital blush My brain has disappeared i think!

Umlauf Tue 27-Aug-13 16:11:39

I got the rage at my scan today, they kept calling me Charlotte, over and over again, until I almost shouted "my name is Umlauf, like it says on the nots you are holding!!!"

Also, I seem to have a really ugly baby! He's been really odd looking at every scan, I'm hoping hell come out better. At the moment he has a massive nose, a huge forehead like a Neanderthal and no chin to speak of... The scan people didn't seem to mind it, so maybe he's just not photogenic...!!

cazboldy Tue 27-Aug-13 16:14:59

oh how disappointing falcon at least you can go next week though. Hope they weren't too cross!

Thanks for that info Wicked re raspberry leaf tea - i'll definitely give it a miss then!

Glad that some have good news re placentas, and good news on the GTT pseudo smile

Hope he/she turns round flyer xx

I have my next mw appt on Thurs am.

Haylebop12 Tue 27-Aug-13 16:15:05

Thanks ladies, there's a note up at my surgery saying if your in the last trimester then speak to your mw. Still didn't remind me to ask. Ill call up tomorrow.

I'm just not sure about the whole raspberry leaf/reflexology stuff to help with labour. But that's just me... I went naturally into labour at 37+5, no intervention, 12 hours and she was out.

cazboldy Tue 27-Aug-13 16:15:46

x posts umlauf sure he'll be gorgeous! xx

Racheld33 Tue 27-Aug-13 16:16:18

Hi umlauf me and my DH laughted a lot when we had a 4d scan a few weeks ago, it had the ugliest face I'd ever seen!
We keep chuckling at the photos we got!

But DS was a real cute new born (I know everyone says that! But I am quite critical! grin ) so hoping the scan just didn't show this next one in his best light! smile

Racheld33 Tue 27-Aug-13 16:18:44

I am on my raspberry leaf tea capsules-6 a day at the moment (I am 35 + 4). I did the same last pregnancy, but I'd never heard of it till my midwife said they really seem to work. And I had an easy 6 hour labour, so fingers crossed for the same.....

claphammama Tue 27-Aug-13 16:25:15

oh no falcon! Glad they managed to fit you in for next week though. Why do you need another scan at this stage? Is it a growth scan?

warlin I hate it... it's torturous - you couldn't have put it better. I'm used to being so busy that I don't know where to start and everyone wants a piece of me and this new situation is so much worse... don't know what to do with myself...

DP's cousin had a baby girl earlier today (named Elsie) and forceps after 24 hours labour... don't know the details, baby size or why forceps yet but it all sounds very ouch... his other cousin is being induced tomorrow as very overdue. It will be baby number 3 in the family this summer (another one born in early July) so, after tomorrow, all the eyes will be on me!

growth scan and to hopefully see that she is head down and not transverse any more clapham

They weren't too cross caz I was just embarrassed my memory is gone!

claphammama Tue 27-Aug-13 17:04:53

I'm sure you are not the first one and it's happened many times before!

roofio87 Tue 27-Aug-13 17:18:49

just packed my hospital bag!! going to do baby's later!!

my sis has passed on tons of bfeeding clothes so at least if I never have need for them I haven't wasted any money! ! I was just planning on making the best of vest tops etc but my sis is not a slob about at home type of woman so has lots of nice looking tops!!

chickieno1 Tue 27-Aug-13 17:35:24

Hi all just checking in

Yay for good scan results and blood test results!

Good luck to orange

Flyer baby can still turn

Legally did the twins like Craig David smile

Gt hope you're feeling better

And jelly too.

Have to run ILs arriving in three hours and still have bits to do sad

Sat here catching up with thread for last hour blush

Will try and check back tonight x

PseudoBadger Tue 27-Aug-13 17:39:33

My parents have gone to Canada today which gives us 3 blissful weeks of peace <and relax>

Shirehobbit Tue 27-Aug-13 17:41:27

Funny, mine are off to Canada for four weeks on Sunday, Pseudo !

PseudoBadger Tue 27-Aug-13 17:47:18

It must be the season for Canada grin

Flyer747 Tue 27-Aug-13 17:50:12

Umlauf your post really made me laugh grin I'm sure he will be lovely.

ananikifo Tue 27-Aug-13 17:56:29

I wish I was going to Canada. sad This is the first year we haven't been since I left. My parents are coming in November but it's not the same.

I'm celebrating 32 weeks today with one cup of twinings raspberry leaf tea (only 50% raspberry leaf) and a vague idea of building up my consumption but no plan really.

ananikifo Tue 27-Aug-13 17:57:08

My parents are coming here I mean, from Canada.

Thanks for all the positive thoughts, all good news at my scan today.

My placenta has moved up to 8cm away from my cervix so nice and clear for a normal delivery. smile

Baby has also moved to head down. The lady said it will still rotate a lot but will probably stay head down now.

Stand all measurements were about on the 50th centile line, slightly bigger head and tummy, slightly shorter legs, weight exactly average. So now I can wash all the newborn clothes as hopefully means it shouldn't be a whopper...

And the sonographer didn't let the sex slip and told us when to look away which is good as I thought things would probably be much clearer this time.

Umlauf, our baby looked a bit alien today with huge eyes and puffed out cheeks. I am sure they will be gorgeous when they are born.

MrsHoratioNelson Tue 27-Aug-13 18:27:50

I think the amniotic fluid distorts how the baby looks - imagine looking at yourself in the mirror through a glass of water - so it's a bit like the hall of mirrors at the funfair.

Don't worry, your babies will be beautiful!

textbook Tue 27-Aug-13 18:39:32

Yay for Clapham and Orange and your well behaved placentas - so pleased x

claphammama Tue 27-Aug-13 19:27:12

great news orange! what a good day for most of us.

good luck with your in laws chicken. Are they good in laws or monsters in law? :-)

claphammama Tue 27-Aug-13 19:28:23

ps. another midwives episode tonight. can't wait!

Haylebop12 Tue 27-Aug-13 19:38:23

I writing this post from my lush hot bubble bath. Not had one is months and it feels good :-)

cazboldy Tue 27-Aug-13 19:39:44

really pleased for you Orange smile

Flyer747 Tue 27-Aug-13 19:47:05

Great news Orange.

Just remembered about midwives clapham.

So hungry today dp on his way home from work with cream slices yummy smilesmilesmile

Oooh Hayle a bubble bath sounds lush! But now Holby City followed by Midwifes = no time left for a long soak!!

Finally sorted a pushchair today, after deliberating for ages have gone for original plan (and exactly what we had for DD1) Mothercare Xtreme, decent 3 wheeler for dog walking and comes with car seat, got it 2nd hand in the end, pushchair has signs or wear but car seat is brand new with tags, couple had it as a replacement for faulty one and didn't need car seat, so an absolute bargain! I figure I'll either get the pushchair filthy within a week or like DD2 baby will end up in the sling and pushchair won't get used much (got my quinny zapp for 6 months +) my mum picked it up tonight, feel relieved to have it sorted smile

textbook Tue 27-Aug-13 20:38:48

Clapham I missed your questions in all the excitement earlier - I'm 34+4 and will be being rescanned at 37+6 (just before my section at 38+4). Hopefully it will have moved even further, which will reduce the risk of hemorrhage or complications during the operation.

Baby was estimated at 5lb 13oz, so already bigger than dd1 was at 37 weeks when she was born!! All measurements around average, except portly belly on 80th centile. My family tends to have small babies, so her nickname is now Chunker grin

We couldn't see her face either as she has her head so far down. I'm sure she looks very odd now though all squished up in there!

Just putting my feet up now after a hectic day - braved the shops to get dd1's school uniform and shoes, and have found an excellent indie shop nearby which sell shoes to fit her narrow feet with low insteps, so I'm very pleased (although considerably poorer). Sorted out her wardrobe when we got in, so now have loads of stuff to put away for the new baby when she is 4/5 - seems like a veeeeerryy long time away!

Might have some birthday cake in a minute...

chickieno1 Tue 27-Aug-13 20:45:36

Are your parents my in laws pseudo grin they re here (Canada) for three weeks! They're coming from Ireland though. Have done all the last minute tidying etc and made an early dinner so just waiting now. Dh working tonight so I ll have to look after them and ds bath time and bedtime! I ll be knackered

chickieno1 Tue 27-Aug-13 20:50:30

Good news orange!

Enjoy bath Hayley.

Ana hope you're not too homesick sad

I'm homesick for London (mainly for family and friends)

chickieno1 Tue 27-Aug-13 20:52:56

Have some cake for me textbook

Natalieand Tue 27-Aug-13 20:56:32

pink I have a cat and a few weeks ago we woke up too a very poo-ey incident downstairs dh sorted it but if he hasn't of been there I would have just cleaned it up with gloves if available and washed hands up to elbow after, also I heard/read that cat poo doesn't carry toxo until its 12 hours old xx

pseudo poor u sleeping on the floor even if it was only for an hour x but good news about your GTT

Can't remember who asked about the WC but it was never mentioned to me (33+1 now) so I asked my midwife about it on Fridays appt and she said the gp surgery should contact me about it then posted me some info through the door over the weekend to have a read of, I asked her personal opinion on it and she said 'we are meant to recommend u have it' I said yes but what would u do personally and he just said again 'we have to recommend it' so I guess I'll go get the jab if I get round to booking it in x

favellio how did I head about your 'surprise' baby shower?

orangeblossom my midwife recommends 3 a day (capsules) from 34 weeks x

text excellent news!! How much further does it have to move to avoid a c-sec? Great news for u too clapham and orange

flyer sending u lots of baby turning vibes x

How annoying falcon was it just to check size or another medical reason?

charlotte I mean umlauf lol I'm sure your baby is gorgeous... Don't think I've ever seen an un-gorgeous newborn, must be the funny Spanish scanning equipment lol

Blimey that was a very long catch up! Off too pay the final amount off the baby plan tommorow then the buggy car seat and isofix will all be delivered on approx 10th/11th September and dropped a few hints to my mum earlier about things I need so she can buy them for my baby shower haha. Right I'm all settled down with my malteasers too watch midwives :-)

GTbaby Tue 27-Aug-13 21:01:01

Hello. Feeling a lil better now.
Was sick earlier. So argh! Had lo in living room with me when I had to run to loo. Then as puking i was worried as he has recently started puking.

Just as I thought I could do a quick check on him, I turn around and he is sat by bathroom door. Lol.

Nat went to look at phil n ted verve and promenade. They are massive. And expensive. So think oyster max is number one choice again.

Right back to 90210. Lol. Have set midwives to record. Thanks clapham!

Natalieand Tue 27-Aug-13 21:06:51

Good choice GT I've gone for the single version of the oyster :-) xx

Poor you GT. I have been a little bit sick several times over the last few days but always only a tiny bit.

It's so hard to decide what the right thing is to do about injections isn't it. Thanks for info on raspberry leaf. I am going to attempt to see go tomorrow for 32 week appointment if I can get one.

Natalieand Tue 27-Aug-13 22:20:19

U can tell there's a birthing programme on, mumsnets most active thread has an eeery silence cast over it lol

Pinkforboys Tue 27-Aug-13 22:24:16

I'm noooooootttttttt watching. My baby is going to come out by magic without any pain.

Sanjifair Tue 27-Aug-13 22:24:19

I am not bothering with raspberry leaf tea this time. I took it from 37 weeks last time, was induced at 40+12, had a 50h labour and forceps delivery. Really don't believe it did anything for me at all!

I had the WC vaccine, it hurt more than my anti-D, which is supposed to be painful, but didnt hurt at all! I had to chase for it, asked at doctors who said ask hospital. Asked hospital who said midwife. Midwife sent me back to the doctors.

Congrats to all on the positive news today with placentas moving and GTTs passed.

Ok having pains every 3-5 mins like early labour pains so I am assuming false labour atm feeling sick with it and the belly tightenings felt baby move but not as much as usual saying that I was very busy today.

going keep an eye on it but really hope it is false labour I am only 35+3 even though I am sure she would be fine im not ready yet!!!

Natalieand Tue 27-Aug-13 22:29:35

falcon take some paracetamol and have a warm soak in the bath this should ease the pain if its a false start, but like u say at that gestation if baby should come there's no reason there should be an complications a friend of mine had a little boy dead on 34 weeks and they oly stayed in hospital for 3-4 days xxx

ananikifo Tue 27-Aug-13 22:33:09

I will have to catch up on the midwives! That's 2 weeks in a row.

chickien I go long periods without homesickness then all of a sudden it hits me. I was a bit disappointed to find out recently that my parents are only coming for two weeks after the baby is born but I guess that actually is a long enough time to have them staying in our small house. How often do you get to see family?

ananikifo Tue 27-Aug-13 22:34:43

Ooh falcon I hope you feel better.

GTbaby Tue 27-Aug-13 22:41:52

Falcon is it worth callin the maternity unit? They might want to have you in just in case.
As u say we are close enough to the end to ease the worry. But at what point do we go from "being to early" to "ok not to go to hospital to get check and just carry on labouring at home "

Oh I'm not explaining myself well. At what stage is going into labour not an issue and rushing to hospital not needed?

legallyblond Tue 27-Aug-13 22:42:04

Hope it passes Falcon x

legallyblond Tue 27-Aug-13 22:45:53

GT - I would have thought at term, ie from 37 weeks. However, false labour or true labour, I would always call labour ward anyway. Depending on no of weeks and symptoms, you'd get told different things. Eg contractions at 39 weeks, you'd probably get told to have a bath, take paracetamol and see how it goes. But that would differ with different symptoms or different term, iyswim....

claphammama Tue 27-Aug-13 22:46:23

oh falcon hope it's just a false alarm and perhaps you only need to rest after a busy day. Warm bath sounds like the best thing to me!

chickien sorry you are feeling homesick... it does get easier after a few years as you build a new life in the new place. But the first years can be very tough - I've moved countries twice and it is tough and normal to feel totally uprooted. Are you planning to stay in Canada for good or planning to come back to the UK at some point? Has your DH recovered from his man flu by the way? Mine has :-)

gt sorry you are sick... doesn't make things much easier!

and sanji about your first labour... OUCH... 50 hours??!!

claphammama Tue 27-Aug-13 22:49:30

and good point gt at what point should we switch to thinking "it may very well be early labour"...

Tarlia Tue 27-Aug-13 22:57:18

falcon def call in if a bath doesn't stop the contractions as they will want you in to be monitored at this stage. Baby would be find, but they'd want to try and stop it or give steroids for lungs. Hope you are ok flowers

Fantastic news all round with tests and scans it seems. So pleased!

Hope chick and Ana are not too homesick sad It's tough having a baby away from family support, I know. Keep talking to us xx My MIL from hell made me a wreck last time and the lovely woman has started again tonight, but DP seems to have toughened up to it over the last three years, so fingers crossed.

Clapham do DP family love locally with those babies? Any more word of the woman next door?

GT sorry you've been poorly sad

Not bothering with the raspberry leaf here either after a 3 hour start to finish labour last time. Notes say I dilated from 1cm to fully in 1.5 hours, I do not want quicker thanking you very much. You wait, I'll be labouring for 3 days or something this time...

I'm going to catch up with midwives and GBBO on iplayer tomorrow so please no spoilers..

tuckingfits Tue 27-Aug-13 23:01:44

falcon we were told last week that anything up to 36+6 would be classed as early labour & to phone maternity unit if we were having contractions. It'll give them a heads up in case it is real or they will be able to put your mind at ease. I imagine they will probably want you to go in to be checked. Good luck I hope it stops,but please phone them just now to see what they say.

As I thought a wee false alarm eased off now! thank goodness!! Away to sleep if I get woken by pain ill be straight in! I am sure im the first of many to have a false start we are so close to the end (scared honestly)

GTbaby Wed 28-Aug-13 01:09:14

Well I'm 36+4 shock getting a lil anxious now.
All the first time questions, how do I know it's labour? What will mucus look? What if my waters break in public?!
I had induction with epidural so felt like I didn't really experience labour IYSWIM.

Glad it eased off falcon. I don't think it will be long now before we have baby number two though I hope they hold on to full term. I wonder if anyone else will sneak in before legally?

PseudoBadger Wed 28-Aug-13 08:03:36

Glad you feel better Falcon!

Is anyone else suffering terribly with overnight dribble? I've dribbled on and off for weeks but the last 2 nights have been a new level and it's awful!

GT - you'll know it's labour if there's a baby at the end? grin

Chickie - if you're in Halifax then I'll be worried we are sharing parents/in laws grin

Haha badger I dribbled on DH the other day. He thought it was colostrum and I had to admit that no, it was dribble this time. blush I had lots if extra saliva early on in pregnancy but maybe it comes back now.

chickieno1 Wed 28-Aug-13 08:14:48

pseudo not in Halifax grin but my sister and brother went to uni there many moons ago!

Good things settled down falcon

How are you tucking

Can't sleep boo! Ds has climbed into my bed and made all these demands and woken me up (no pillows, pull up the duvet, put on the fan etc). What am I going to do when feeding a newborn too??

gt I didn't realise you were 36 already! I'm 33 weeks today and kind of want to go into labour a little early. Have CS booked at 38 + 2 and want to at least try vbac.........

legallyblond Wed 28-Aug-13 08:22:01

GT - were you induced because you were late last time? If so, I guess you might be late this time? At what stage did you have the epidural? I was induced but still feel I know what labour feels like.... (I didn't gave any pain relief though, just g and a). I think you'll just know tbh... It's fairly unmistakable once it gets going!!!

chickieno1 Wed 28-Aug-13 08:38:30

And thanks ladies for all the support re homesickness flowers

My sister and my father are coming end of October for two weeks so looking forward to that! My other sister might come in November or early new year and my brother and sil will come in early December so not too bad really.

Flyer747 Wed 28-Aug-13 08:42:27

Anybody on here bought an Isabella Oliver dress? I've just bought 2 for a wedding and had to buy a size 10 & 12 as I'm not too sure how they come up (big small Etc) then just seen another 2 I like as well, so to save me having to buy another 4 dresses to see which fits can anyone offer any opinions? Thanks.

pinkbuttons Wed 28-Aug-13 09:07:33

Morning ladies, so glad to hear all the positive scan stories from yesterday grin
Glad things settled down last night falcon
flyer I have 2 which are both a size 10 same as before pregnancy but definitely fit better this time than last (I put on 4 stone when pregnant with DS) so would say it depends on how much non bump weight youve put on. Think sizes are fairly standard but they are forgiving as obviously generally stretchy for bump size. theyre lovely though. are they for a special occasion?
5 hrs sleep again here. Did something very stupid and looked at DH's messages on his phone, thought I was being paranoid but apparently not and now dont really know what to do with the information that hes been sending provocative messages to another woman, fairly sure nothing else has happened bt hes been acting suspicious for a couple of weeks. just want to shut myself up somewhere and cry but hes working from home and DS is super clingy. Sorry to be announcing this just feel have nowhere else to turn. Dont really want to tell anyone in RL because am embarrassed and most of our friends are both our friends. Overall rubbish morning.
Hope everyone managed to get a better sleep.

Shirehobbit Wed 28-Aug-13 09:22:19

Oh pinkbuttons sad
I genuinely don't know what to say, but didn't want to read and run. I've only been in your situation once, and I remember all to well the horrible adrenaline-stomach-dropping feeling which comes with the discovery. I have no advice to give but make sure you look after yourself through the emotional storm. I hope this sorts out really quickly.
Big hugs flowers xx

Oh no pink. You must feel absolutely sick to your stomach. I am so sorry.
Is there any way you could have misinterpreted it and it is innocent? Do you know the person?

Oh pink this happened to me when I was pregnant with ds but I did not find out till he was four months old dh had tell me it was his best friends gf and best friend had found out sad it was just texts but the lies took a good while to heal our trust again. He said he was scared yo have sex with me and was using it as a release but who knows really he was very sorry and we are very strong now, hope you get answers flowers

Flyer747 Wed 28-Aug-13 09:37:48

Oh pinkbuttons I've been in this situation hun....I'm just arriving at work so will update shortly. I couldn't keep quiet but that's my nature.

However I was unfaithful last year (sorry I bet everyone will think I'm awful now) and my dp found out.

pinkbuttons Wed 28-Aug-13 09:41:32

Thankyou ladies, sorry for hijacking thread a little bit. Glad to hear a positive experience falcon My first thought ws how can he do this when Im pregnant but its true that our sex life has declined not that thats any excuse but I expect that will be what he says
Unfortunately definitely not a misunderstanding, she is someone he knew at school she seems actually quite nice which makes it all the worse, she is regularly reminding him hes married and asking about the baby and he has continued with the sexual messages. Havent confronted him yet, to me this is something well get passed but only if he can be honest with me and am just terrified he wont be. Thankyou again ladies. x

favellio Wed 28-Aug-13 09:48:18

Hi natalieand - I found out about my 'secret' baby shower because my dumb-ass husband forgot to log out of his Facebook on our iPad, so when I went to check my Facebook I was confronted with a message between him and my mum discussing suitable dates :-(

Hope everyone's feeling ok today? Not long to go now grin

Well that is very good that she knows about you and it doesn't look like to would go any further pink.
Less sex may well be a reason but not an excuse and you should into way feel guilty or responsible.
Are you going to talk to him about it today? I imagine he will be embarrassed and defensive to have been caught out but hopefully will realise that it is not on. Maybe he thought it was harmless if just texts and you didn't know about it. I really hope he realises how hurtful it is and stops.

Shirehobbit Wed 28-Aug-13 09:59:57

An old school friend? Does feel a little like someone who is looking back rather than forward. X

textbook Wed 28-Aug-13 10:05:02

Oh Pink, what a shit thing to find out. I absolutely agree, I could just about get past this, but only with total honesty and disclosure. Keep strong thanks

Flyer I'm sure no-one will judge you here. We've all made mistakes.

Falcon I'm glad things have eased off, although I don't doubt we are close to the appearance of baby #2 on the thread smile

Hmm yes Shire. You already have a little boy don't you pink? So shouldn't really be that he is anxious about becoming a dad and looking back to previous responsibility free school days...

I ordered a natal hypnotherapy cd on amazon which has just arrived. smile

Flyer747 Wed 28-Aug-13 10:26:32

Pink, unfortunately since becoming pregnant I have found dp in a number of "Dodgy situations" shall we say.

First was when i hacked his facebook account as i suspected something and found messages between him and a 23 year old ukrainian girl he once dated briefly (she lives in Kiev) so nothing happened and I could only see a few messages as he had deleted most of them. I was devastated especially as he was telling her 'He chose the wrong girl' meaning me obviously.

second was a stag do to marbella, I ignored a few texts from him, he got paradniod i'd looked at his fb account again (which i hadn't) and admitted to meeting up with a girl in marbella whom was just a friend from years back (she also knows about me and seems a decent girl), and then went back to a party at some girls apartments and had pictures on his phone of two girls in bikinis at 6 in the morning.....

Finally was last week a candiate whom he met at work, he was sending to her for a job I found out via texts he sent to his friend, that he fancied the pants off her and as he put it to his friend "I could have masturbated in my pants in that last meeting, she was yummy, you could have cut the sexual chemistry between us with a knife" Sorry for tmi. He said it was just lads banter, still very hurtful.

Everytime I tell him it's wrong he simply brings up my indecresion last year. I kissed my ex on a trip we did together, then met up with him, nothing else happened.

I was at breaking point this weekend, pregnant and feeling like crap...My parents said they'd help as much as possible financially but I don't want my child being born into a broken home....

sorry for the mega post. I'm also in a predicament....hugs to you pinkbuttons. I say confront him, and try and work on it but it totally destroys your trust, i just hope i can get it back as i've never felt so low as i currently do....

pinkbuttons Wed 28-Aug-13 10:41:05

flyer Im so sorry you seem to be having similar problems, and I don't think any previous indescretions should be bought into it now f you had previously dealt with that. Thank you for sharing your experience as well, sending you hugs right back and hope you and DP are also able to start recovering that trust before baby arrives. xx
With regards to the message the thing that hurts the most is that he seems to have made out to her that he only married me because I was pregnant with DS, messages before last week were deleted but she has basically replied to his advances saying "well you shouldn't have gotten her pregnant"
Although its our second child I think he still has cold feet, as life is obviously going to change again. This baby was very much planned and discussed for months before TTC and that confuses me more as DS was a "surprise" and we were in a much more stressful time in both our lives and yet seemed to cope better. I just want everything to be sorted for this baby but don't want to be a walk over and for this to continue in our marriage and potentially go further.
Plan on giving him the opportunity to tell me what has been going on and if not will confront him, hoping to not get too emotional and just keep my calm but we will see, last night I just wanted to cry and throw something very hard at his head. Today I want him to realise what hes risking and how much it hurts.

Rubbish about your baby shower favellio at least you have something to look forward to, but will have to work on your surprised face smile

I really feel for you pink. Ity would be bad enough at any time but you are so emotionally vulnerable when pregnant. A decline in sex life is no excuse whatsoever.

I found out my Dp had set up a profile on a meet-up site a couple of years ago. He said he'd done it out of curiosity and had never actually met anyone or even messaged them. I believe him but I couldn't get him to understand why I was upset and hurt. Men are quite thick sometimes and think unless it's actual sex then there's no harm done.
I really hope you can get through this.

Glad everything has eased of Falcon. I'm hoping that if labour starts unexpectedly that it starts just like in the films with a sudden gush of my waters then there is no sitying around wondering about every wee twinge.

Sparkeleigh Wed 28-Aug-13 10:49:31

Hugs pink and flyer... That's a horrible position to be in.

Maybe the shock of realising you know will knock some sense into him pink? Good luck for bringing it up with him.

It's none of my business but Flyer, I don't like him throwing up your mistake with your ex as an excuse. It sounds like he's trying to hurt you in revenge.

We did a kind of couples counselling organised by DH's priest before we got married. It was compulsory and I was dreading it, but it was actually really useful, so it's something I'd recommend if you'd consider it. It got some stuff out on the table and made us discuss it which was good.

Hugs flyer & pink xxxxx

Flyer747 Wed 28-Aug-13 10:53:00

You know what Pink, this sounds really odd but to me it's what's said that hurts more than actually finding out if he had slept or kissed someone else.

A one night stand although still totally devastating I could handle better than him having months of communication with some ex or female friend in secret. I believe it's called an emotional affair, and it's the fact that emotions become involved rather than just a fondle under the sheets.

Same here this baby was planned, but he found out about my ex when i was 6 weeks pregnant, and since then all this crap with other women has started.

I really hope you can get through this. It must be awful to read such a message your husband has sent to another woman. I honestly cannot sympathise with you enough. You have to do what's right for you and your children. I don't know if we can get through this, we are both determined to give it our best shot, time will tell i guess.

PseudoBadger Wed 28-Aug-13 10:54:13

Wow men can be such arsewipes. I'm sorry so many people are having or have had problems sad

Sorry you're going through the same flyer.flowers

pinkbuttons Wed 28-Aug-13 11:01:54

I completely agree about the emotional side of things flyer the messages about how he would marry her if he wasnt already married to me hurt more than the ones about her amazing boobshmm because it makes me feel like I dont know him. It also highlights that he has been really off with me the past few weeks and think ive just been too tired and stressef to really notice the lack of attentiveness.
Just wanted to say thankyou to you all for sharing your experiences I had no idea things like this were so common but is giving me hope that hes just made a mistake and isnt really an awful person that I just havent noticed for the past 4 yrs. xx

Warlin Wed 28-Aug-13 11:02:42

Oh pink and flyer I'm so sorry flowers. Bad enough at any time but how could they when you are pregnant. This happened to my friend and its heartbreaking. Agree that you need to confront them and make them realise how hurtful it is. Hope you can both resolve your situations x

I'm getting punched (at least I think that's what it is) in the bladder. It's a horrible feeling and I really squirm every time he does it. I'm hoping he's still head down.

Wow gt you are nearly there!

Flyer747 Wed 28-Aug-13 11:04:15

Yes Sparkleigh I think you are right, it's revenge....

He wont go to counselling as he says he has acutally done nothing wrong (meaning not slept with anyone) he says these things are silly but innocent lads banter...Idiot.

Flyer so sorry you are going through the same and thank you for sharing with us.

We had to have couples sessions before we got married too and although I didn't feel we really talked much in the session with the chaplain it did get us talking a lot afterwards.

It does seem to be really common in pregnancy, I guess it is a time of massive changes, financial pressure, your body is changing, drop in sex life and physical closeness, tiredness, realising you are going to be responsible for a new little person and feeling very vulnerable. Again not an excuse but lots of things to put a strain on a relationship.

I really hope both of you can talk about it and begin to rebuild trust.

Flyer747 Wed 28-Aug-13 11:36:47

Thanks Orange and other ladies.

Pink you said you wanted to throw something at his head, when i found fb messages and we had a massive row i threw his ipad out the bathroom window. Luckily it was night time and the neighbours can't see.

All I wanted was to have a happy pregnancy and it's been quite the opposite. I'm just worried this poor baby will come out a bag of nerves as i've been so anxious, stressed out and teary all through my pregnancy.

tuckingfits Wed 28-Aug-13 11:40:45

flyer & pink I'm so sorry to read your rotten experiences. I don't have any advice really,I know if I start it will just turn into a massive rant against your husband/partner .

I'd like to say though that I am firmly in agreement that it's the emotional side of things that is worst because you can't unsee what you've read & it can be so hard to move past what you have seen them say/write about you & your relationship.

I know I said I wasn't going to try & advise but,I would suggest you both take as tough a line as you possibly can bear to. Both men need to know that this is unacceptable & will not be tolerated - I tend to think that often if men don't have this pointed out to them clearly enough,many of them will think they can continue to get away with it. I would hate for either of you to have to deal with this again. They stand to lose a lot & this should be made exceptionally clear to them.

I am so sorry for the positions you find yourselves in. I should think a lot of us have been there,I know I have but I didn't have the added trauma of being pregnant.

We are all capable of making mistakes,but repeated "mistakes" need to be dealt with & make the perpetrator understand how wrong & hurtful their behaviour is. Really sorry for the long delay - writing this on my phone & my mother rang. We all know how long those chats can be!

Shirehobbit Wed 28-Aug-13 11:45:17

Just can't believe what some of you are having to deal with.
There is not enough brew and cake in the world to make these situations better.
Sounds like you have a very supportive family, Flyer, which is at least something. Is there anyone in real life that can give you a mahoosive hug, pinkbuttons?

GTbaby Wed 28-Aug-13 11:51:48

Pink and flyer very difficult for you. No advice from me. But lots of hugs.

Legally I was induced at 38 as I had OC. The pessary didn't work. They put an epidural in with the drip. So didn't feel contractions. Well actually I could feel the contraction/tightness in my tummy. So I knew when to push. But no pain.

Right off to ikea! Wish my SPD luck

tuckingfits Wed 28-Aug-13 11:52:04

flyer I had a pretty stressful life when expecting DS,he is remarkably chilled out. Your baby will be fine,I just hope you can nip DP's unreasonable behaviour in the bud. He is being deeply unfair & his attitude is making me feel very uneasy,so I can't imagine how shit you must feel about it. Perhaps a week/end with your parents would help you distance yourself from the situation & force him to sort himself out.

Life gets more complicated once your baby is here (in my experience anyway,but I do appreciate that many of our issues may have arisen from the fact that we had only been together a year by the time DS was born),you need to be able to trust & rely on DP in the weeks & months after your baby arrives,otherwise you'll (I would) drive yourself mad wondering. Would your dad have a word with him,or is that out of the question? Hugs to you (and pink) it's horrible what you're dealing with.

I understand about you not wanting to share in RL pink, because you see that you can get past this and don't want everyone else knowing about it afterwards, even though you have nothing to be ashamed of I wouldn't want friends and family talking about it or to have a lesser opinion of my DH or our marriage (even if he deserved it!). I am a very private person though.

I am so sad that your partners have put you in this position and agree with tucking that repeated 'mistakes' are really not on flyer. The things both men have said are very hurtful. Do they have friends that behave in a similar way? I don't see it as innocent lads banter.

claphammama Wed 28-Aug-13 12:00:59

pink and flyer I just want to give you the biggest hug right now... this is so hurtful and upsetting, and such a difficult time for you to have to deal with it... xxx

Sadly, it also happened to my friend when she was 7 months pregnant and she was in pieces for months. They managed to patch things up although I believe he did much more than your DH / DP. And one guy from work who used to have hots for me in the past sent me some dirty messages last month suggesting we meet up (the sad bastard didn't know that I knew his wife was about to give birth and he didn't know that I was also 7 months pregnant. What an idiot) So it seems pregnancy is notorious for these things but it only makes me more angry at men - exactly when women need most love and support...

I would talk to them about it as, like flyer, I just can't be quiet and wait for things to resolve themselves... I'm the kind throwing ipads out of the window... and I agree with you and everyone here - the words and emotional betrayal is in many ways worse as perhaps we can somehow explain to ourselves that a one night stand and physical act is not necessarily a reflection on us, but how they talk about our relationship and how they justify their actions is a reflection on us. I think you will know best how to talk to them as every situation is different and nothing is ever black and white. Are they doing it to distract themselves from stress and new pressures? Or to prove to themselves that "they still could"... as men are weird this way - they always need to feel that "they still could" even if they don't anything in the end. And flyer I think the fact that he is quoting your one mistake as a justification for his behaviour time after time is low... you can't allow for it to happen again. He either forgives and moves on or else. Otherwise it turns into some kind of emotional abuse

Massive hugs to both of you xxxx

tuckingfits Wed 28-Aug-13 12:06:03

Well done clapham your last comments to flyer say exactly what I was trying to say without putting my foot in it. You have said it more eloquently & gently than I would have managed.

claphammama Wed 28-Aug-13 12:09:51

oh and flyer I was asking my GP about stress and the baby a couple of months ago when I got signed off for stress back then for other reasons. She laughed and really reassured me that babies are very reliant little things and won't be affected. Think of babies born to mums in war zones or even women who are seriously mentally ill - they have normal babies untouched by all this stress. Plus placenta protects our babies a lot also from cortisol. She took a lot of time to really reassure me. So don't worry xxx

Pinkforboys Wed 28-Aug-13 12:15:31

shock flyer & pink, I can't add anything more to the wise words already said. I wish you big heartwarming hugs and the strength to raise and resolve the issue. Some men are real idiots.

Pinkforboys Wed 28-Aug-13 12:16:31

I hate to momentarily digress from a serious topic, but has anyone else noticed the new smiley below? why tennis? what am i missing?!? tennis

favellio Wed 28-Aug-13 12:16:45

Sorry to hear about your predicaments flyer and pink. Men really handle situations so wrong at times. Feel free to have a good vent on here thanks

Shirehobbit Wed 28-Aug-13 12:19:15

US Open? tennis
But if you think of it of balls, rather than tennis - it's quite a good swear word substitute grin

Flyer747 Wed 28-Aug-13 12:20:20

I agree with you all ladies. I feel he thinks he has me over a barrell as i'm financially dependant on him somewhat, not pre pregnancy but if I were to leave him now truthfully i'd be bloody skint....Although he would have to give me maintenance it's a major worry living on the breadline. My parents would help me lots, i'm very lucky but it's not their responsibility and they are retired and don't need all this stress. My mum said she hasn't been sleeping because she is so worried about me, this makes me determined to try and work things out. My sister said she would move in with me to help look after the baby in the evenings and when i return to work, which is so lovely.

As for my dad having a word with him. My dad isn't really this kind of person, he is a quiet man and totally opposite to dp. When my sisters boyfriend left her high and dry my dad literally wanted to kill him, so i'd rather he not get involved.

The thing is dp comes from a really decent respectable family, his mum and dad are very happy together and if they knew what he had been upto they would be so let down by him.

PseudoBadger Wed 28-Aug-13 12:30:48

I agree Flyer that he either has to accept the past and move on together with a clean slate. Or he has to say that he can't and you both have to decide what to do for the best. Having this hanging over you both is so difficult.

Flyer747 Wed 28-Aug-13 12:33:36

Oh and Clapham it's very much of a "See if i've still got it" thing with dp, he has a fragile ego and I tell him things as it is, I don't sugar coat things, so until these incidents i've never been a walk over....If there was no child involved I wouldn't be with him tbh.

Mary our cleaner knows all what's happened as she is like my surrogate mum in liverpool her words are "What the F&*K is he playing at, he won't get any better than you" bless her.

tuckingfits Wed 28-Aug-13 12:45:15

Frankly,he's treating you like shit flyer & you don't deserve it. I think you might be pleasantly surprised if you look into how much support you might get from child tax credits/child benefit etc if you were to decide to go it alone. Obviously I hope it doesn't come to that if you love him & think the two of you can move forward,but as I have mentioned before,I nearly kicked DP out for being a lazy bastard last year,I looked at www.entitledto.co.uk & the direct.gov websites & would actually have been better off financially. Fortunately we were able to sort ourselves out,but it was a huge relief to me to know I wouldn't sink into poverty if we did split up.

A large part of my reason for contemplating a split was the dreadful example of a "loving relationship" we were setting our son. His dad was lazy & showed me no respect around the house & in turn I was grumpy,resentful & monosyllabic. I think the fact that you acknowledge he feels he has control financially is worrying in itself & even worse is the fact that your mum can see from the outside how unbalanced the relationship is & that it is affecting her so much is a huge warning sign. I really hope I don't upset you further & am horribly aware that you are at work & very pregnant wink,but I hate to think of you stuck in this predicament. Consider all your options. Think about the example that an unfair relationship would set to your child - boy or girl,it wouldn't be a good one. Would you want your daughter to end up in an unequal "partnership" or would you be proud to know your son was treating his girlfriend the way his father treated you? Of course not. Perhaps his dad should be informed of his son's behaviour... I know I probably seem immature suggesting involvement of parents & if you weren't pregnant & vulnerable I wouldn't think of it,but he needs someone to point out to him just how unreasonable & cruel he is being. It isn't a coincidence that midwives ask whether you are in an abusive relationship & tell you that many men become abusive when you are at your most vulnerable (pregnant or with a newborn). Financially controlling behaviour & emotional affairs are not standard behaviour. I wish I could come and have a pregnancy rage at him. Someone needs to stop him thinking he can treat you however he likes.

Shirehobbit Wed 28-Aug-13 12:49:19

For me, the crucial phrase is 'if it weren't for the child, I wouldn't be with him'
If you really believe this, then I would be seriously looking at your options. X

tuckingfits Wed 28-Aug-13 12:51:34

There you go - you've pretty much said what I was trying to say without saying it! If there wasn't a child involved you'd have walked by now. Don't let having a child tie you to someone you are not happy with. Your partner can still have involvement with his child. You need to be happy in yourself in order to be the very best mum you can be. I think the fact that you can say that you wouldn't be with him if you weren't expecting his child counts for a huge amount. You may well be pregnant,you may well be a bit vulnerable BUT you are still that strong woman who flies the world,knows her own mind & doesn't settle for second best. Perhaps leaving him & letting him see that he hasn't diminished your strong will & character will be enough to straighten him out. Either way you know you'll be fine.

Flyer747 Wed 28-Aug-13 13:00:59

Indeed my mum said "you are a steig person you'll get through this, it's not the end of the world"

I feel I'm not ready to walk away just yet, however if things don't improve I will most definitely leave....

He says if I go snooping through his things I will find stuff that I can put 2 and 2 together and come up with 5...

I hope his parents find out he would be most embarrassed.

I have no worries about his fathering abilities I know he'll be a hands on doting dad and will be fully involved whether we are together or not. I'm just hoping (probably sounds totally silly) that when this child comes along it gives him a reality check on what he has to loose!

Flyer747 Wed 28-Aug-13 13:01:42

Strong not steig! Bloody phone

Shirehobbit Wed 28-Aug-13 13:07:10

I know it's totally different, as there was no child involved, but getting divorced was one of the hardest things I ever had to do; I was embarrassed, angry, hurt and felt like an absolute failure.
However, it was the best thing for me too. And the right thing. It's made me who I am and I had to confront lots of stuff that I didn't want to, and I'm a stronger person as a result.

Either way, I hope he does wake up to all he has and starts treating you with the respect you deserve, Flyer x

Flyer747 Wed 28-Aug-13 13:11:09

Sorry I've totally hijacked the thread with my relationship issues....My life is like some Jeremy Kyle show.

I do believe people get their comeuppance in life and that old saying "what goes around comes around is very true" and he is blimin lucky to have me I'm a good catch for him gringrin

roofio87 Wed 28-Aug-13 13:12:52

Sorry you ladies are having a tough time with ur dps. Its a very strange time isn't it. I don't think either me or dp realised quite what a big shock having a baby would be (and we still don't now as he's not even here yet!!) and like you say maybe they are just acting out at the impending change and responsibilty, still no excuse though!!

I'm currently at work and have done barely any work at all. This is my last week and I have 0 motivation!!!

Flyer it seems you have been dealing with this for a long time and thought about it in detail, I am sorry you have been feeling so low.
I agree financial ties are no reason to stay together and it sounds like you have a very supportive family. I really hope you can work it out if that is what you want. Does your partner know just how serious the situation is and how you feel? Or does he think everything is fine now?

I listened to the natal hypnotherapy CD and fell asleep so I suppose it is very good at getting me to relax! I am not convinced that labour can be pleasurable but I really hope it helps me be calm. When I was in hospital before my temperature and blood pressure shot up and I was in a lot more pain and I am sure it was because I was anxious and on my own in a horrible place.

JellyCurls Wed 28-Aug-13 13:30:39

Sorry you guys having a tough time, sending you both hugs and flowers.

Just to change topic completely I have just managed to drop my belt down the loo, thankfully before I had been and I noticed in time. Thats how to end a morning of cleaning, spewing and thinking going to have the runs for me. Time to sit and chill now while ds and DH nap and dd is at school.

Can sickness return in third trimester? That's day 2 now and rest of house seems healthy

Jelly I have been sick but just where you are a bit sick in your mouth and can swallow it (sorry tmi) several times this week and someone else mentioned being sick yesterday (or was it you?! I lose track...)

Oh dear at least you had a clean toilet to pick it out of!

pinkbuttons Wed 28-Aug-13 13:44:37

sorry for sharing my Jeremy kyle issues first flyer Hope your ok. Im so glad youve got your family to talk to as well and part of me wishes Id thrown his phone out of the window last night now. I think its great that your trying to sort it out and thats what I hope to do too depending on what happens next I guess.
Like your DP my inlaws would be absolutely mortified by what my DH is doing and turns out this girl is someone he knows through his mums church not school shock
DH seems to know something is wrong and has been extra loving but want to hit him everytime he comes near me. just trying to wait till DS is in bed incase conversation escalates but we will see.

orange tht is exactly why didnt want to tell anyone yet dont want other people to still remember this after hopefully all is forgotten here. Felt very isolated and alone last night but feel much better for hearing all of your advice and own stories.

I also thought last night that I am about to be the mother of a little girl and has made me feel very strongly about not being taken for a ride.

pinkbuttons Wed 28-Aug-13 13:45:57

jelly my sickness has also returned but is generally like my morning sickness was in first trimester so.not all day. Hope your ok, horrible being ill when you have other children to look after thanks

Tarlia Wed 28-Aug-13 14:26:35

Sending hugs to p-buttons and flyer. Life really isn't simple especially when babies and children are involved, I really hope you both find the soloution that is right for you and little ones cake.

Jelly I've been sick a few times too, last week in the middle of dinner at the table, I couldn't move but managed to shout for a bowl. Also, like you orange I get the bike/puke in the mouth but several times a day. Really disgusting.

Having a really bad day, really tearful and cannot do this anymore sad I'm feeling terrible. <urg, started writing all the symptoms but seriously so many things going on it feels so stupid>

tuckingfits Wed 28-Aug-13 14:32:02

pinkbuttons I'm sorry you weren't subjected to my "advice service",I'm sure you don't feel you missed out!! I did write a long reply about how it doesn't seem your husband is abusive,"just" stupid & inappropriate but my connection dropped out & ate it. I wonder if it would help you to choose a trusted close friend to whom you could talk & trust to keep quiet & not judge him or your marriage long term.

I hope you're ok,you're doing well to stay so collected & calm even though you really want to smack him. I'll be thinking of you.later & hope that you are both able to discuss it fully & that he admits culpability & takes responsibility for his actions & grovels for your forgiveness.xx

Flyer747 Wed 28-Aug-13 14:34:45

Orange DP knows how i'm thinking and feeling and when I discuss it he simply says he doesn't want me to go. Crunch time was this weekend and he has promised no more funny business. I really want to believe this is going to be the case although as you can imagine it will take me sometime to believe it and trust him.

He does have good points though, I feel as though i've painted him to be a total twat, he can be very loving and sweet. It's just since all this happened things seem to spiralled out of control and he is not the same person I met. I'm just hoping it's a blip but by no means am I blinded by what he has done.

ananikifo Wed 28-Aug-13 14:36:11

Pinkbuttons and flyer I have no advice for you, only sympathy and support. What an awful way to feel at a very vulnerable time.

I have also been feeling sick for the last few days, especially today. This morning I almost vomited and then I would have had to call in sick but I held it in bc I was afraid they'd start my mat leave early. Sorry for the gross tmi but how sad is that? Now I'm at my desk trying not to fall asleep. I'm blaming a change in the weather.

I ordered the natal hypnotherapy cd by Maggie Howell today. Has anyone tried it? I hope it works.

Jelly I have been having the sickness again and loose bowls not fun!

Pregnant ladies should not do the weekly food shop while hungry got home and realised all i bought was junk blush haagen dazs, crisps, chocolate... will wait till DH is off before i attempt to shop again!

Flyer747 Wed 28-Aug-13 14:39:00

Pink you are doing so so well keeping your cool. I wish I could be more like this, I see red and literally want to rip his head off! The best thing is to remain calm and rational as it will also make him feel even more guilty if you do.

That's the CD I've got Ana but a bit early to tell how good it is at the moment.

I am just trying to order a canvas to go above our bed and looking back at wedding/ honeymoon photos. I have changed so much in a year! You don't quite notice as it happens a little every day.

ananikifo Wed 28-Aug-13 14:54:41

Oh good orange. I'm glad someone else is trying the same stuff as me. Six months ago I wouldn't have been caught dead buying something about hypnosis. Oh, how pregnancy changes us!

I know ana, I wish it didn't have the work hypnotherapy in it! But it is not about waving a pendulum in front of your eyes and making you cluck like a chicken which is what I think if with hypnotherapy and I have seen lots of reccomendations for it so will give it a go.

pinkbuttons Wed 28-Aug-13 14:58:59

haha thankyou tucking didnt feel left out feel very greatful for all the advice, will definitely confide in someone if this afternoon doesnt go to plan...

am afraid its only because im.not great at the shouting confrontation flyer I end up just crying and want him to know Im serious and he cant just give me a hug and be done with it.

gave him a chance over lunch multiple times to be honest with me, he acused me of being a moody arse so didnt wait. Have just text him a picture of one of the more explicit texts. part of me wants to laugh at the thought of the look on his face when he reads it.

So sorry your feeling so rubbish tarlia is your consultant appt tomorrow? really hope they can give you a date and you can start countdown. are you still on bed rest at the moment?

Umlauf Wed 28-Aug-13 15:49:57

I'm really sorry to hear about your ohs pink and flyer from reading the relationships board (why do I do it? I just get nightmares!) it does seem alarmingly common for pregnancy or early parenthood to trigger stupid behaviour amongst menfolk. Like clapham says its sickening, it's just when women need (and deserve) the most support, after all who got us in this place? I've become horribly insecure and last week demanded to know why there were chopsticks in the glove compartment, I was convinced DH must have taken someone out for dinner, until he gently reminded me I'd got them when I had my m&s sushi back in England. Point is, pregnancy is a really hormonal time and it must feel horrible to be faced with situations it's hard to handle at the best of times.

flyer I'm really ashamed of this but I had an 'indiscretion' a couple of years into our relationship, it was the most painful time of my life. It got about as far as yours did, but seeing the pain DH went through and knowing it was my fault broke my heart. It was so hard working through it but part of the recovery was an agreement by DH that once he had forgiven me, it wouldn't be brought up again. He is a much much bigger person than me, and has stayed true to his word and never mentioned it. Of course there have been times I could tell he was thinking about it, especially before we got married, but he made the decision to forgive me (thankfully) and move on. If he couldn't have forgiven me, no matter how much it hurt, he would have left and that would have been the right thing.

Of course your dp must be hurting but he needs to choose whether to forgive you or not, and all this behaviour that started with him finding out is childish revenge behaviour. It must be so so hard for you at the moment, have you thought about counselling together? Sending lots of hugs and flowers and please don't think you're a bad person at all xx

pink maybe having some distance between you is best if you don't think you can have the discussion face to face. Have you got any RL support? I wish I could give you a hug. I'm no expert, but on the relationships board they always advise that one person move out for a bit to get some space and have a chance to realise what they are jeapordising, would that be an option for you? So sorry you're going through this, flowers for you too.

I thought I'd had a rubbish day having had the "you're really fat" "no I'm not I'm pregnant" argument with the gynaecologist again, but things are put into perspective. (Over 3 stone weight gain now which gynaecologist thinks is the cause of the swollen ankles and fingers, although nothing else is swollen --apart from my arse--)

Wickedgirl Wed 28-Aug-13 16:01:24

flowers and cake for those of you having a tough time. I hope everything works out for you

Flyer747 Wed 28-Aug-13 16:19:40

Thanks Umlauf. DP said very little at first, didn't shout or get mad was just really dissapointed. He said he lost respect for me after he found out. There was a time when all he did is brag about me to people (they'd meet me and tell me) and after this he changed, understandably. I think it was worse as it was an ex and I feel he has always felt a tad inferior to him, although he has no reason to, but he is a pilot a looker and a charmer too and I think dp has been insecure about him in the past. I once caught dp googling 'How to become a pilot" I felt shit about what I did too, a total cow.

Anyway not going to say anymore now and just hope my october bus fellow crew wish me all the best and fx I can move on from all this mess. Thanks xx

Flyer747 Wed 28-Aug-13 16:21:53

And Pink i hope things go as best as they can tonight with DH will be thinking of you chick xx

PseudoBadger Wed 28-Aug-13 16:33:00

Umaulf that's awful - it's far more likely that the weight gain is due to the water retention which shows as swelling, than be other way round!! How atrocious sad

pinkbuttons Wed 28-Aug-13 16:39:37

thank you flyer xx
umlauf thats awful! although your post did make me laugh about your bum swelling. I put on 4 stone with DS and at the time no one mentioned anything. I have eaten the same this time and have so far only put on 1 1/2. I think it must just be pregnancy dependant unless having a different sex of baby has changed my weight gain.
in other news have just treated myself to a gym ball. Desperately hoping its more comfortable than the sofa which leads to feet in the ribs at the moment smile

Flyer747 Wed 28-Aug-13 16:43:47

Umlauf another one with 3 stone weight gain. I've never been weighed by the mw though. Is the gynae a bloke by any chance?

Natalieand Wed 28-Aug-13 16:44:49

pink sorry to head what your dh has been up to! I second what others have said an emotional affair would seem worse to me too as not only is he complimenting said woman he is also saying horrible things about what u and him already have together, god knows how u have kept cool all day I would have smashed the iPad over his head by now never mind out the window!

I'm feeling rediculously emotional today like I'm gunna burst into tears at any second! I asked dh the other day if he could take me out for an Indian this evening and to ask his nan to babysit dd as he always goes on we never get out on our own bla bla bla.... So when I just asked when were going turns out he never asked his nan to babysit and when he called to ask she already has plans for this evening so now not only has he let me down but I'm not going out tonight and I now have to cook and I feel like a 90 year old cripple who can't take another 6 weeks 5 days if this

Sorry for the selfish post I just needed a rant at someone lol

claphammama Wed 28-Aug-13 17:08:05

One more flowers for you flyer and pink and hope you manage to resolve everything soon. Hope we've been only helpful and empathetic here. My last words would be - don't let anyone push you into any decisions, not even your family and no matter how much you respect them. People may mean really well but noone knows ins and outs of your relationships and what makes you or your partner tick as much as you. We all have different insecurities and consider different things critical. So, cliche as it sounds, listen to your heart and don't ignore your gut instinct. The biggest mistakes I've made in my life were when I ignored my instincts and felt I should take someone's advice because they were wise or they loved me, or they knew the situation better than me etc. Noone knows better than you xx

On the weight front, I haven't weighed myself since 10 weeks midwife booking and don't intend to. I may do on my due date (if I get there...) just for the fun of it grin I really don't give a damn. I put on 3 stones with DS1 and lost it very quickly. I think it's similar or even more with this baby. I don't care. Will start caring later, if it doesn't go.

And I've also ben feeling a bit nauseous the last week or so - thought it was just me! Nothing major but washing teeth became a nightmare again and made me throw up this morning (was it roxvox who shared this strange toothbrush / toothpaste phobia with me?) I still find it very weird!

I've added another sheet in our spreadsheet (a few people suggested we do) - so we now have one "due dates" sheet and one "births" sheet with pinklady's Josie already there smile I seem to remember Josie was born on 14th August, two days before pink told us about it... or did she say it was the Wednesday before - on the 7th? Does anyone remember? Not sure she is lurking right now...

Ok - another working day gone. 12 to go... see you later ladies - going to pick up what I expect to be one filthy boy from the holiday club now!

PseudoBadger Wed 28-Aug-13 17:14:04

Pink - just thought I'd copy something over from the relationships board for you:

"Do not blame yourself or your sex life. Partners cheat whether they are 'getting it' at home or not and even if they aren't 'getting it' at home or are in anyway unhappy the mature and adult thing to do is talk about the problem, not screw whoever is offering - so no matter which way you look at it, if he is cheating it is HIM that has caused this, HIM that is in the wrong, no matter what."

Just got back from 32 week check up with the gp and I have sugar in my urine which I have never had before. She didn't seem too concerned but I have to bring another sample tomorrow.

My diet has not been great this weekend as we stayed with DHs parents and as they find vegan cooking tricky I take lactase enzyme tablets to help me digest the lactose in dairy. I wonder if the milk sugar I can't process is still in my urine. Also I have eaten a bag of jelly beans and a bag of dairy free fudge over the last week or two so and I don't usually eat sweets at all. I would have thought sugar doesn't stay in the system that long though and today I had a healthy muesli breakfast and stir fry lunch. Hoping it is all clear tomorrow.

chickieno1 Wed 28-Aug-13 17:35:12

flyer and pinkbuttons so sorry you're going through this esp during pregnancy. I think clapham, tucking, pseudo and the other ladies have said it better than I could. flowers for both of you.

Haylebop12 Wed 28-Aug-13 17:44:38

Also thanks to p.buttons and flyer I second all the advice the others have given.

First day of mat leave has been ok, been working for my dad today tho which consisted of four hours driving picking up and dropping off motorbike parts. So not the relaxing day I planned but he pays well smile

Off our tonight to all you can eat with work then its my bday tomorrow so a meal out with family. Think I may burst by the end of the week! Getting my hair done off my parents as their present as wouldn't know what else to spend money on. Definitely by clothes!

moonblues Wed 28-Aug-13 18:22:25

Sending flowers and hugs to pink and flyer. I'm so cross with your DPs! Men can be so stupid sometimes. (and women too, but that's beside the point). I think you've been given some really good advice. I also had to do pre-marriage counselling and would recommend couples counselling if you want to try to work stuff through. One thing I took from mine was that marriage wasn't about 50:50, but about both people trying to put in 100% all of the time. It seemed a bit naf at the time, but it was definitely helpful to remember when we had a new baby and were tempted to start getting into the 'who's the most tired' competitions.

I think being totally clear that this is unacceptable behaviour and what you plan to do if it doesn't stop might help. Sometimes people really need stuff spelled out to them.

I'm so sorry that you've had so much stress to go through.

Tarlia sorry you're feeling so miserable. Not too much longer to go now!

I hope you manage to work things out Flyer but don't stay just because you're worried about being a single parent. Linah was only 2 weeks old when I kicked her Dad out and I wish I'd had the strength to do it sooner.

xuntitledx Wed 28-Aug-13 19:27:12

pink and flyer - so sorry to hear about your current situations. Not going to offer any advice because only you know what's best for you xx

Had a bit of a shitty day today, very limited movements and very upset when I got home from work but must have just been a lazy day for baby as he's back to normal now, thank god!

Glad all is better now you have some time to rest untitled.

Umlauf Wed 28-Aug-13 19:34:34

Ooh hayle careful with the all you can eat, I am certain it was the all you can eat Chinese I had t'other night that is responsible for my stretchmark!!!! Have a great time!!

untitled sorry you had a shitty day, my baby often does that, I like to think its a good sign that they may sleep well when born! Glad you're feeling better now.

Pinkforboys Wed 28-Aug-13 20:08:23

Evening All, just placed my Tens machine hire order and feeling like I'm finally on the home-stretch. I had a good session with the Dr this morning who was reassuring all round. Madam is still breach, but again Doc wasn't bothered, plenty of time for her to lock down. She took some swabs to work out what I've been 'leaking' which was also reassuring.

I'm meeting an old (male) friend for lunch tomorrow. In light of all this discussion today I'm going to be very mindful of my behaviour!

Wishing you all good air-clearing chats and peaceful sleeps tonight. xx

Umlauf Wed 28-Aug-13 20:16:25

I had a swab today, to check for streptococcus in my vagine, apparently if its present they give you a penicillin drip during the birth. Anyone else had this or is it just a weird Spanish thing along with trying to provoke crash dieting ??!

I have heard of strep b being an issue umlauf, not a weird spanish thing, but I haven't been tested for it, I am not sure if they do it routinely or not in the uk.

Pink for boys which tens machine did you go for and where did you rent it from?

pinkbuttons Wed 28-Aug-13 20:23:35

Hi ladies, just wanted to thank you all for your support today it has meant so much to me and kept me sane and (mostly calm) Have now had it out with OH and he has apologised a lot and I think realised what he could have lost. He admitted straight away it was for attention. I still cant understand it but am glad hes at least admitted to how stupid it was and feeling awful about it. So were still here, have told him we will have to see how the trust issues resolve, don't want him to get off too lightly and have asked him to text this other woman and apologise to her for being such an arse. He agreed to this straight away and offered to show me so actually feel like he is sorry. Also wanted to thank you all for pointing out the relationship threads, definitely not brave enough to post but puts it all into perspective reading some of the things over there. So although not resolved just wanted to say thankyou and let the thread get back to baby chat smile

Ooh thankyou for reminding me about Tens pink who have you got yours through? I didn't use one last time until got to the hospital but would really like to try it at home this time.

Also sorry you've had a rubbish day untitled glad baby has picked up a bit, umlauf I ended up in hospital pretty much quickly due to no movts with DS, he slept through from 6 weeks and now at age 2 1/2 has 12 hrs each night and 2-3 hr naps, so you might be on to something! I am slightly concerned hes still going to be needing a nap when he starts school though.

Sorry your meal plans didn't work out Natalie surely hell at least get you a takeaway so you don't have to cook?! xx

legallyblond Wed 28-Aug-13 20:27:07

Umlauf - this isn't routine on the NHS but should be!!! I am many people I know paid for a private strep B swab test (they post it to you, you send it back) and I kept the results with my notes. My consultant (for DD) said that he shouldn't say so but he was so pleased I and many other women got if done privately (I was negative). If it is undiagnosed, it can be v v serious for the baby! Ideal is to also swab the ants, but vagina is key!!!

For anyone else... Please google if you haven't already sent off for the swab test / didn't know about it...

legallyblond Wed 28-Aug-13 20:30:30

Google gbss.org.uk ...... I used this site last time for links to ordering home testing kit. Not relevant for me thus time as babies aren't exiting via the birth canal!!!!

Umlauf Wed 28-Aug-13 20:30:46

Swab the ants?!

Oh wow. I'm vair impressed now :-) Makes up for being called a lard-arse again. How frustrating it isn't routine, I wonder how much it costs the NHS to set up little tests like these.

legallyblond Wed 28-Aug-13 20:36:01

Anus... iPhone doesn't like it! There is serious campaigning but far the NHS or NICE or whoever it is have ignored the hundreds of infections a year....

legallyblond Wed 28-Aug-13 20:36:24

Oh god, so far...

Flyer747 Wed 28-Aug-13 20:39:29

Umlauf I carry group b strep it was picked up on a routine smear years ago. I was told if I ever got pregnant I was to inform my mw.

I have lots of lovely big ALERT STREB B CARRIER stickers plastered all over my pregnancy notes. And yes in labour I have to have iv anti biotics to avoid my baby becoming exposed to it whilst in the birth canal.

It can cause meningitis, pneumonia bad other serious illness if a baby becomes infected with it.

They indeed don't test for it in the uk, I've no idea why, and so many people have informed me they should, so it's a great thing you have been swabbed.

I also have to stay in hospital for a min of 12 hrs after giving birth to check that the baby is ok and hasn't picked anything up.

legallyblond Wed 28-Aug-13 20:44:41

Pink and Flyer - lots has been said, so just sending hugs. Trust how you feel. It may be that you know that actually this is a blip and you love the guy(s), in which case trust that. You may actually in your heart think this and the relationship is too wrong, in which case trust that and try to act without fear. Pregnancy and (sorry!) having young children is v v tough on relationships - every lady one of us has gone through or will go through a rocky patch, probably bad enough to think "is this worth it?"... Pink - glad you had a good chat and Flyer worry not about the baby - this stress won't be affecting then x

Thanks for bringing this to my attention umlauf and legally and for the link to information.
I just ordered a free strep b home testing kit here with a vaginal and anal swab and you then pay £35 if you decide to send it off.

legallyblond Wed 28-Aug-13 20:50:54

No problem orange! I found out about it via Mumsnet back in 2010!

chickieno1 Wed 28-Aug-13 20:51:00

They do routine grp B strep swabs here in Canada. A around 35 weeks. They then give a'biotics to eradicate prior to labour. Not many places do it routinely. Even though I am to have elective CS my obs will still check in case I go into labour before date. Otherwise what they look for is if you or baby have a temperature during labour then they treat baby but again this can mean unnecessary a'biotics.

Have to take swabs myself in 2 weeks but won't be swabbing ants legally grin. Have been told to do anus though.

PS I am glad you spoke to DP pink and he seems to have realised what he was doing was not acceptable. I really hope things are ok between you and it was a silly and thoughtless one off.

chickieno1 Wed 28-Aug-13 21:03:05

I second what legally just said pinkbuttons and flyer

Hugs to both of you.

RedlipsAndSlippers Wed 28-Aug-13 21:06:33

Hi all, I've been lurking for so long I'm not sure I've posted on these threads at all :/
Could anybody please add me to the spreadsheet? I'm pretty sub-standard on that sort of thing.
I'm due on October 29th with a little boy, Charlie :D
Reading these threads makes it all seem very imminent!

Hello red lips. I love the name Charlie. The spreadsheet goes a bit funny in my iPad but I am sur someone will help soon.

Tarlia Wed 28-Aug-13 21:14:00

Ideally the strep b swab should be done as close to birth as possible, so I think they recommend 38 weeks. You may have strep b at eg 35 weeks, but be clear by labour. I'm surprised they've not swabbed youflyer to see if you still carry it - stupid cutbacks I guess. They don't swab for it here either, but I really wish they did as a good friend got really poorly with it and waters broke at 14 weeks, she was due two months after me, so it's really tough.

Thanks, p.buttons yes, tomorrow. I'm glad your DH has come clean and sounds to be doing the right thing. Be kind to yourself, it will take time, but listen to your gut.

Umf Totally ignore the weight thing, if I were you I'd refuse to be weighted anymore by them. Dr asked me at my 32 week check and I told her that no thank you, I didn't see the point, I felt I was gaining at a normal steady rate. I know I've gained more than I would have had I not been on bedrest, but what can I do about that? So long as we are eating as healthily as we can, and not to excess or for two etc, then that's all we can do. They would never reccomend diet in pregnancy.

Legally dd2 was in SCBU due to Group B strep and she was born by c section. There is less risk but the risk is still there. I've also red stories of women having late miscarriages due to the infection getting into their wombs. I was only swabbed because I went into hospital in suspected labour 2 days before my c-section. The results came back 10 mins after her birth and she was whisked say and put on antibiotics.

Legally dd2 was in SCBU due to Group B strep and she was born by c section. There is less risk but the risk is still there. I've also red stories of women having late miscarriages due to the infection getting into their wombs. I was only swabbed because I went into hospital in suspected labour 2 days before my c-section. The results came back 10 mins after her birth and she was whisked say and put on antibiotics.

legallyblond Wed 28-Aug-13 21:20:02

Oh right MoN - is that despite the antibiotics you get during the c section? I'll send off for it now. Did it last time so happy to swab again!

If you've been swabbed once mgs guidelines say it should be presumed you are still a carrier and antibiotics be given poor to birth except in cases of elective cesareans which annoys me as it's a complete myth that it can't be passed on during a cesarean birth.

NHS not mgs.Bloody phone

legallyblond Wed 28-Aug-13 21:27:07

Thanks MoN - I was negative three years ago but have now ordered the kit to be delivered next day. Had no idea it could be transmitted via elcs! Better safe than sorry!

I am surprised more information isn't given out about this as it seems it can have extremely serious consequences. I had vaguely read about it and presumed it would be tested at a later antenatal appointment, probably from an American website or something.

I am finally marking books from the last two days of term before I go in to do some other stuff tomorrow. Completely pointless exercise as the children won't look at them, but they need to be up to date in case inspectors ever want to look at them. The baby has been quiet violently kicking and pushing the books resting against my tummy for about 10 minutes. My thoughts exactly little one!

Shirehobbit Wed 28-Aug-13 21:31:05

I'm going in tomorrow too, Orange - to say I am reluctant is a touch of an understatement hmm

It seems it's something they don't want us to know. Mother's who carry GBS are also more likely to develop a full blown infection after cesarean.
I've been wondering if my UTI symptoms are in fact due to GBS. I'm going to mention it at my next appointment. Since this baby will already has respiratory problems I don't want to take the risk of her being infected.

claphammama Wed 28-Aug-13 21:38:55

welcome redlips - I've added you to the spreadsheet. Another boy and you are now officially our last baby looking at the due dates. I'm sure mother nature will mess it all up anyway smile

tarlia sorry you are feeling rubbish... and forgot to answer your question last night - unfortunately, all DP's family are in Cheltenham so all babies are being born there... shame as it would be nice for all of them to grow up together. And we are planning to invite the pregnant neighbour for drinks one weekend to break the ice. You know the London ways... everyone playing cool or worried about invading other people's space smile

By the way, to all ladies who feel shafted or ignored at work because of pregnancy - my friend from California who used to work with me and is now working for another massive technology company caught me on chat earlier today as she was pumping at 1am. She had twin girls in August and guess what... same stories, same patterns, same behaviours... so she is now determined to go back and look for another job right away as she is so upset with her employer. SIGH. She just had them and needs to go back in November... it's so tough in the US, I keep forgetting

Flyer747 Wed 28-Aug-13 21:48:01

Funnily enough I was chatting to my mw yesterday at my routine appointment about my gbs.

I presumed I'd be re tested as it was picked up years ago but can change, I thought they would double check but no, as mon says they just go with the presumption that you are still a carrier and administer you with IV anti biotics just in case.

I'm colonised with it in my lady bits (carry a lot of the bacteria) that's why it got picked up on a smear....colonised I sound like a bloody leper. I went to see a consultant regarding having it in labour and a water birth, I was told I couldn't have one however I've since been informed the consultant was talking out of their bottom and I can have my water birth.

I'm so surprised they don't routinely test for it as approx 20-40% of women carry it in their vaginas!

chickieno1 Wed 28-Aug-13 21:50:08

America is crazy clapham my sil gets 6 weeks mat leave and is using all her annual leave and some unpaid leave to stretch it out to three months! My brother is then going to take a month off work (works for French company so more leave) to look after baby!

Flyer747 Wed 28-Aug-13 21:50:45

Pink really pleased to hear DH took this seriously and realised what an arse he was and a very hurtful thing to do. thanks I hope you get back on track asap.

chickieno1 Wed 28-Aug-13 21:55:19

Yes tarlia closer is better but my elcs is booked for 38+2 so obs wants it done. She did say it was just about ok timing wise. Gp did it when I was 12 weeks which he shouldn't have as it changes as you all said. He didn't ask/tell me he was doing it confused anyway it was positive then! I hope it's not positive now as I hate taking a'biotics (I ll start on the heavy duty probiotics now).

Hope you get some rest and feel better tomorrow

chickieno1 Wed 28-Aug-13 22:07:12

In laws arrived with about 500 tea bags (Ireland's finest) and 10 packs of hob nobs for dh and I respectively grin they're very sweet really! Might not survive three weeks though esp at the pregnant and irritable/uncomfortable stage smile

Pinkforboys Wed 28-Aug-13 22:08:53

So glad to hear you got to face your OH this eve pink- and glad to hear his response. Perhaps a bit of attention seeking in there.

You ladies are brilliant- I wouldn't have known about the WC jab or this Strep B thing without you. Another thing to add to my list of Qs for the mw (not sure I shd take raspberry leaf tea as I used to have bad endo)

I ordered my tens thru Boots. They send you a DVD from BabyCareTens with codes which you have to register online and hopefully it'll arrive 3w before dd.

Must go to bed. Exhaustion is beginning to hit.

claphammama Wed 28-Aug-13 22:13:39

oh chickien as I've never had a "local" family I've done years of long family visits... I really got on with my ex in-laws (I still do) but always found that 10 days was my limit... after 10 days everything was beginning to annoy me. Brace yourself!!

monkeytree Wed 28-Aug-13 23:32:21

Pink and Flyer sorry to hear about the very stressful time you have been going through. Pink I am glad you have managed to talk to your dh about what has been happening.

Lovely day with DD today. We both had our hair done at a local salon. DD looked so pretty with curls in her hair. It's been a tonic to receive a bit of pampering.

Sorry to hear some ladies have sickness. Hope we all manage to get some sleep tonight.

HotSoupDumpling Wed 28-Aug-13 23:33:22

cake for flyer and for pbuttons. Nothing else to say really, am feeling so cross on your behalfs.

GTbaby Thu 29-Aug-13 00:34:37

So I veeted today. And had a major trim down there. Realising I'm 36 weeks with not long to go has been a kick up the bum. Lol figured if I do a proper trim now and then try once a week to veet again will be fine for whenever I go in.

Almost finished packing too. Well kinda. It's in a giant carrier bag ready to go into a suitcase when I get one.
Need PJ bottoms- going to matalan tomorrow. Witch hazel-buy in tesco on next food shop. Nappies And snacks. Again nxt tesco shop will sort this.

Just need to decide on my coming home outfit, make sure it's washed and hung up ready for dh to bring with him at last min.

Our local hospital tends to send ppl home quickly. Sometimes same day. I would rather stay over night. Is there anyway the hospital would allow this? How do i put it to them?

PseudoBadger Thu 29-Aug-13 07:32:10

Morning all! It's my last day at work today grin
But before I can enjoy that I have to wrestle DS into his clothes, make him presentable and drop him at the childminder - wish me luck!

Wickedgirl Thu 29-Aug-13 07:55:10

gt I am the opposite and am desperate to come home the same day. When I had my DD, I came home after 6 hours and it was lovely. With the boys, I had to stay in overnight for observation and I cried at the thought of not being able to go home with my family blush

I have written into my birth plan that I'd like a 6 hour discharge again.

I'm sure if you say you really need the rest from your other little one they would let you stay in.

Wickedgirl Thu 29-Aug-13 07:57:54

I hoe you have a fab last day pseudo

Is everyone now on maternity leave?

I am 34+1 and have my midwife appointment today. I haven't seen anyone for 6 weeks so it will be nice to find out if I'm still measuring ok, find out the position of the baby and hopefully hear the heart beat.

roofio87 Thu 29-Aug-13 08:39:41

today is my last day too. I didn't want to leave quite this early (35 weeks) but it all got abit complicated as to what I could do in my last few weeks so I thought sod it I'll leave!! im excited to finish but I've worked there 5 years and won't be going back so im a little sad!!

I wonder how pinkladyapple and josie are getting on?! I keep thinking of them both!!

Not on maternity leave here until 4th oct!

Shirehobbit Thu 29-Aug-13 08:43:49

Been on school holidays, rather than maternity leave.
So back to work next week, which feels a bit odd. Should be doing two weeks, but may do more if we get the Inspection call we're well overdue for.

ananikifo Thu 29-Aug-13 08:47:47

wicked there's a small contingent of us still working. I'm only 32 weeks and my last day of work will the 27 September. It's funny because I think our "counting down to mat leave" thread was in July.

I'm currently on a bus to nowhere. I don't know all the bus routes from our new house. I asked this bus driver if he goes to the town centre I need. He said yes but actually I think we're going via all the industrial estates on the other side of the moon. hmm

Last night we were finishing up the "last bits" in our rental, which ended up requiring an hourly van rental bc DH was so tired of driving back and forth across Manchester, and DH hit a parked car, making a small dent in his bumper. The other guy was calm and decent about it but poor DH was really shaken up. Then there was a massive accident on the motorway when we needed to return the van, and both of our phones (which we use as satnavs) were dead so we didn't get home till after 11. We are both just so exhausted and fed up. The keys go back today, and then we can just focus on making our nest in the new house.

I pinned a link about group b strep months ago and forgot about it. Now I'm scared if I'm positive they'll make me give birth in hospital. Does anyone know if they let you have iv antibiotics on a mw led unit or do you have to use the doctor-led one?

Haylebop12 Thu 29-Aug-13 09:19:42

Morning ladies

26 today but with all the aches and pains feeling much older! Off out with family tonight.

Work had a collection for me so I'm off to asda this morning to cross more items off my list. All little bits and Bob's now so hopefully I'll be in a position to pack my hospital bag. Eeek! Going to have new as fast too, since I forgot to get any bread/milk yesterday! Also feel today's my first proper day of mat leave since I did lots yesterday.

p.buttons glad you managed to have your chat. I do hope you work it out, if that's what you want x

Ana sounds like you need to put your feet up. Moving is stressful even when not pregnant!

I too would Like a six hour discharge, all being well obviously. Never write a birth plan last t ok me. Maybe i should this time?

Haylebop12 Thu 29-Aug-13 09:20:49

That was "going to have breakfast"

Happy birthday Hayle.
Enjoy nesting Ana, hope the unpacking isn't quite as stressful.

PseudoBadger Thu 29-Aug-13 09:30:48

Happy birthday!

cazboldy Thu 29-Aug-13 09:53:55

Will go and catch up in a min.....

Just back from mw. All good, no sugar in urine, blood levels 11.8, so no iron needed, Heard heartbeat smile

BP still low.

baby head down, back to back atm, which both my girls have been, so maybe it is a girl after all shock grin

she's coming to visit me at home for my next visit in 2 weeks to do home birth prep smile

claphammama Thu 29-Aug-13 11:29:01