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February 2014 - Part 5 - The one in which nobody has ANY vomiting, heartburn, or random leg injuries...

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marzipanned Tue 20-Aug-13 21:09:53

Well, here's hoping!

misskatamari Tue 20-Aug-13 21:24:04

I'm choosing to believe that by the end of this thread we will all be blooming and glowing with beautifully forming bumps! grin

CubanoHabana Tue 20-Aug-13 21:27:48

Mmm! Just had some very lovely (and healthy of course) cheesy chips with garlic sauce! Yum! Oh has even kindly left me a slice of kebab pizza, although too full for that at the moment!

EeyoreIsh Tue 20-Aug-13 21:28:11

Marking my place!

Still on holiday in sunny France. Had a panic a few daysago after burning my tummy. Am now sunbathing in the shade.

I've already cracked open the unsexy pants. I thoroughly recommend the shorts type smile

I'm 16+2 and waiting for bump to emerge from flab and to feel the baby.

And in other news, my sister has just gone into labour for my little nephew. Very exciting times.

Sorry I haven't been able to do a proper Hello, there's no wifi so I'm cheekily checking mumsnet the expensive way when DH isn't looking!

Sassy20 Tue 20-Aug-13 22:02:04

Marking my place x

jazzcat28 Tue 20-Aug-13 22:05:31

Ooo a shiny new thread!

I need big pants and maternity tights. Anyone got any suggestions where to get tights?

Glad to hear your holiday is going ok do far Eeyore (except the sunburn... tsk)

When should I stop sleeping on my back? It's my usual position, can lie on my left side but wake up on my back in the mornings.


Timpani Tue 20-Aug-13 22:09:08

Hello! Marking place!

As for being active... After DS I actually wanted to get up and about and show him off to the world! My problem was stupid visitors just turning up (and even just walking straight into house in the case of some relatives!) when I was snoozing on the sofa in just my PANTS! And granny maternity padded pants too. Visitors did my nut in.
Don't think I had a visitor free day for over three weeks! Was a nightmare. I've heard people aren't as bothered by number two... ;) hoping that's a bit the case here visitors wise at least! That's why I went out - to avoid people haha!

I am feeling knackered but too wired to sleep. Annoying. And I'm feeling a bit more arghhhh cos my friend mentioned to me that they've had a run of still births at my hospital recently. sad Awful.

Anyway, might try a snooze!

Sassy20 Tue 20-Aug-13 22:12:05

Jazzcat - h&m do reasonable maternity tights that aren't expensive. My mw told we when I was pregnant with dd that if I went to sleep on my side but woke up on my back not to worry. It's just that when you're further along its not advisable not to sleep on your back as can slow blood flow or something like that.

pippin66 Tue 20-Aug-13 22:14:25

Marking my place new here and loving it smile

pippin66 Tue 20-Aug-13 22:16:46

Always wondered about the lying on your back thing and how to stop it if you do it in your sleep!!?? How early should you try to avoid it im 14 + 2?

Littleen Tue 20-Aug-13 22:23:52

8 day period would be fine! On one of the minipills I took for a while, I once had a period for 6 weeks, then a 3 week break before I had a 4 week period, so I am the champion of this. As a friend says though (about women); never trust a creature who can bleed for a week and not die! mwahaha.

Got my 12 week GP appointment tomorrow, am 13+1 then, aaaand next tuesday we got a scan booked privately! :D Will be so exciting. Even bought some cookie monster and elmo socks today, they are so tiny, we put them on the cats. Just so I don't forget there's someone in there :P

Any advice for appetite? I'm not underweight, so it isn't a major issue for me, but worrying abit about baby. I have no appetite right now, only eat very bland food and very small portions - just don't fancy anything!

Grats with a new nephew EeyeoreIsh, if he's popped out by now!

CubanoHabana Tue 20-Aug-13 22:48:10

littleleen loving that you put the socks on the cats! We have been given a new born clothes set and dh keeps threatening to dress the cats in one of the baby gros but I have managed so far to dissuade him by saying the cats are too big for them!

Somanychanges Tue 20-Aug-13 22:54:11

Another thread already wow! I am off to sleep but just wanted to mark my place before hand. See you all tomorrow.

Thisisfreakingmeout Tue 20-Aug-13 23:06:50

Marking my place as I walk home from a friend's place so busting for the loo I'm tempted to just let it all out,

Can't walk fast enough!!

KalevalaForMePlease Wed 21-Aug-13 05:53:35

Oh wow, another new thread! I must get better about posting! About the sleeping on the back thing, I found in the later stage of my first pregnancy that I was sleeping surrounded by pillows, I had one between my legs for the SPD, two behind me to keep me on my side and one thin one under the bump. Poor DH!

laura0007 Wed 21-Aug-13 06:39:25

Ooh new thread smile
I'm going to Mallorca on Monday and looking forward to it! It will probably be my last proper holiday until baby is at least 30...

vix206 Wed 21-Aug-13 06:57:26

Hello! Just quickly popping in to mark place by not recommending h&m maternity tights. The bump bit hangs between my legs and I spent all day hitching them up. £7.99 not well spent confused
I hear asos ones are better...

Bearfrills Wed 21-Aug-13 07:32:53

Yup to the pillows, I had a bed full of them by the end! And I found that once I got to a certain size if I rolled onto my back in my sleep I quickly woke up as it was uncomfortable. A pillow (yes, another one) in the small of your back can help too, it means if you do roll onto your back in your sleep you're at least not flat on your back.

Because there's no nursery run to do I've just been waking up when the DCs wake up, usually around 8:30ish. Today DH came upstairs at 6:30 to say we need some food shopping. DS was in our bed and was bolt upright at the sound of DHs voice. I told DH I'd sort it, hush so DS goes back to sleep. Bloody DH took a strop which woke DS up even more which woke DD up hmm

212VIP Wed 21-Aug-13 07:49:38

Just marking my place. Morning ladies!

LittlePandaBear Wed 21-Aug-13 08:00:59

Morning and hello new thread! I've just seen that there's an April thread now, we're not the newbies anymore!

Is anyone else sadly interested in celebrities also expecting at a siimilar time to us? I guess the ones who have announced pregnancies are D list but I stilll find it interesting to see what they're wearing, how big or small their bump is, and ultimately what they're gonna call their baby. We don't want them to call their baby our fave name and then feel like we can't use it too!

So far, I think there is:

Simon Cowell's baby!
Michelle Heaton
Peter Andre
Megan Fox
Zara Phillips

I'm sure I've missed someone...

misskatamari Wed 21-Aug-13 08:44:23

Oh no bear - I think my DH would get a slap in such a situation. Hope you're not too knackered!

In terms of pillows my friend told me about a massive long body pillow on offer in lidl at the moment for a tenner - apparently great for later in pregnancy. I got one but haven't tried it out yet but figured it was a bargain so may as well invest.

littlestgirlguide Wed 21-Aug-13 08:52:03

I had Topshop maternity tights last time, they were really comfy and a good feel to them, nice and soft, also lasted the whole pregnancy without laddering. I put a pair on by accident a few months back, and wondered why they kept falling down.

misskatamari Wed 21-Aug-13 08:58:59

Ooooh I always forget topshop do maternity - I've got a £30 gift card too grin time for a looksie!

marzipanned Wed 21-Aug-13 09:07:20

Oh no, I've failed the thread, I was sick in the night last night. Maybe that doesn't count.

Littleen I've had weeks of not wanting to eat anything, and knowing that if I don't eat I'll get even sicker, and being systematically put off one food after another as I threw them up. My advice is - eat whatever you can. Doesn't matter if it's bland, doesn't matter if it's unhealthy (but do take your vitamins as well).
Remember the recommended weight gain is over the course of the whole pregnancy, right now your baby just weighs a few grams, and lots of women (myself included) lose weight during the first trimester. Hopefully in the later stages your appetite will come back! Trust your body to know what it needs. And therein ends my essay smile Glad you got a private scan booked though!

I am desperate to try out my cat in the sling but he is THE BOSS and would have none of it.

Oooh, and DH booked a gender scan for this weekend!

gnittinggnome Wed 21-Aug-13 09:33:27


Re tights, I haven't tried these before, but after dire warnings of varicose veins from my mum I'm going to invest in a pair of these: http://www.isabellaoliver.com/maternity-clothes/uk/100/maternity-hosiery-&-lingerie/LL042.html and hope they are more sturdy than average.

littleen wow I wish my two cats were as compliant! Although putting them in a sling might work, they are super-clingy atm...

vix206 Wed 21-Aug-13 09:35:33

misskatamari I need one of those Lidl pillows! No mention of it on their website that I can see, might have to go and have a look in store because £10 is such a bargain!!

marzipanned Wed 21-Aug-13 10:18:48

Hmm, so DH wants his Dad to come to the gender scan. I don't want him to, but can't really think of a good rational reason. I said I want it to just be the two of us in the room when we find out, so DH asked if his Dad could wait outside and come in afterwards. I still feel weird about this.

Anyone got a good excuse why not?!

Thingymajigs Wed 21-Aug-13 10:41:04

Just say that this is a private scan to check for problems and isn't a family event. Tell them you will be straight over afterwards to show them the pics.
I'm also having similar issues with interference and I've found that being blunt and clear is the only way people will listen.

ChocoFrog Wed 21-Aug-13 10:59:33

Just marking my place on the new thread.

Still laid up with my ankle, although they have downgraded it from broken to badly sprained. Still can't walk on it though which is getting very boring. My sense of balance has never been good so add to that a burgeoning baby bump and I'm absolutely lethal on my crutches!

Haven't been sick for a couple of weeks though, which is great as can't exactly rush to the loo. I am making up for losing the weight in the 1st trimester by now eating like it's going out of fashion.

Anyone else having very vivid dreams? Last night I dreamt I'd given birth but when I was going home from the hospital the nurses said I'd just imagined it and there was no baby. After very panicked search I found it in a drawer! Woke up in a right sweat from that one confused

16 weeks today

marzipanned Wed 21-Aug-13 11:13:46

Thingy I wouldn't mind saying that to my FIL, but it's DH who really wants him to come - and he of course knows that we're allowed guests.
His Mum came to one of the other ones (which I was totally okay with) and I think his Dad's been grumbling about it a bit.
Oh well, will just have to put my foot down.

Choco yes, very vivid dreams, luckily only one about the baby which was dreadful as I was miscarrying.

marzipanned Wed 21-Aug-13 11:14:18

Choco when's your EDD? I think I'm 16 weeks today as well but I'm not sure!!

ChocoFrog Wed 21-Aug-13 11:28:58

Marzipan I'm due the 5th if that helps. Not got my 16wk mw appt till next week when I'll be 17 wks and then got my 20 wk scan early at 19wks so I'm struggling to keep track myself. It's only because I get a NHS 'this week you are ... weeks' email that I remember.

Can't imagine my fil coming to my scans or him wanting to really. Or even my own DF being anything other than appalled at the idea. Good luck with that one.

ch1134 Wed 21-Aug-13 11:30:59

Just had my 16 week appt. Midwife said that, because of blood tests, there's a 1:50 chance baby will need blood transfusion immediately after the birth, but took my blood again, and my husband's, to see if the risk rises or falls depending on new results. May get transferred to a consultant. But reassuring really, especially hearing the heartbeat!

Off to France Friday night, so I have to get on with some work now, and I have absolutely no motivation!

tinypolkadot Wed 21-Aug-13 11:32:43

New thread already - I think March are talking more than us though, they’re nearly at the end of thread 4!

I just needed to share my find with any fellow eczema sufferers thingy – Lush’s Dream Cream. I had this delivered yesterday after reading rave reviews about how it had cleared people’s eczema and I was pretty desperate to try anything as it’s not cheap. It’s not even been a full day and I’m happy to report the itching has stopped and the redness has turned to more of a pink. Hopefully it’ll clear altogether in a couple of days. The smell is a bit hmm but that’s fine by me at it’s all natural and good.

I’m still feeling pretty shocking and nauseous if I don’t get about 10 hours sleep at night.

Apparently baby is the size of an avocado and it’s going to double in weight over the next 3 weeks! shock


marzipanned Wed 21-Aug-13 11:37:19

Thanks choco, I'm due the 4th so guess I should be counting Tuesday to Tuesday. My 16 week appt is also next week and 20 week is at 21 weeks...all mine have been a week late actually!

ch1134 sorry about the blood results and glad that the meeting overall was positive. Hopefully you get a lower risk with the new results - but better to know in advance either way.

ch1134 Wed 21-Aug-13 11:40:14

yes you're right marzipanned. I'm feeling fine about it really. Only real concern is that risks to baby increase with each pregnancy, but I feel very calm and will concentrate on this little one for now!
My sister came over last night and brought me a big bag of maternity clothes - just at the right time!
I've been having vivid dreams throughout, and trouble sleeping, which is very unusual for me. Some of the dreams are quite funny though, and I wake up laughing!

Somanychanges Wed 21-Aug-13 11:44:22

Well I am sorry to say I am still sick. But I didn't expect to be better so soon so no surprise. I suffered from HG for 5 months with each of my previous pregnancies. I should count myself lucky I suppose as some people have it until the moment they give birth.

It does put a downer on the pregnancy though, hard to get excited when you feel so sick.

I am also having crazy dreams I was having wild sex dreams for about 4 nights. What a shame for DH that he is not getting that type of action whilst I am ill. Then last night I had an awful nightmare which included a pedophile who was after my children. It was horrific and I woke up in a panic at 4am and couldn't get back to sleep.

I am going to have to go and get some maternity clothes it looks like as my tummy is too uncomfortable now in my ordinary trousers. Now I have moved into the sticks don't really have much around in the way of clothes shops except the local charity shops. I think I will wait until school starts so I don't have to drag my two around the shops.

Oh and on that note, I had some bad news. My son did not get a place at the local school and is 7th on the waiting list as there is no space. Looks like I will be home schooling for a while as because of his SN none of the other schools in the area are suitable. sad

I hope you all have a good day, we are off out to the library and then for a long walk on the common today. grin

marzipanned Wed 21-Aug-13 11:47:42

somany I'm so sorry you're still suffering. Mine has only gone in the past few days and I am on tenterhooks waiting for it to come back. Are you medicated? I couldn't cope without.

Bad news about your son's school as well sad What's the likelihood that the waiting list will go? How do you feel about home schooling - are there any home ed groups in your area that can support?

misskatamari Wed 21-Aug-13 11:57:38

Somany - sorry you're still feeling sick hmm and sorry to hear that your son hasn't got into the school - hopefully there will be some people who leave at the start of term and he gets a place. I know at ours we always get some that have signed up and just don't turn up and some who leave and go elsewhere.

Ch - sorry about the worrying blood results but atleast you're well prepared in advance and there's still a good chance everything will be fine. It's good your being positive 1/50 always sounds scary but that's a 49/50 chance baby won't need bloods.

Yes to the crazy dreams! I had loads last night about being pregnant but I didn't know who the dad was (how very Jeremy Kyle). The night before I had a shit scary one where this horrid creepy statue on top of the fridge (wtf!?) started looking at me then chased me round the house. DH got told off the other morning too as he woke me up as I was "about to have sex with Benedict Cumberbatch" - damn! Lol!

Had such a massive craving before for hog roast too - like you get at Christmas markets. Really want a white bap with loads of meat and apple sauce and stuffing!!!! Gutted as its not like that's something I can just go and find anywhere! hmm Hopefully ill start craving something healthy and available soon!

misskatamari Wed 21-Aug-13 11:57:41

Somany - sorry you're still feeling sick hmm and sorry to hear that your son hasn't got into the school - hopefully there will be some people who leave at the start of term and he gets a place. I know at ours we always get some that have signed up and just don't turn up and some who leave and go elsewhere.

Ch - sorry about the worrying blood results but atleast you're well prepared in advance and there's still a good chance everything will be fine. It's good your being positive 1/50 always sounds scary but that's a 49/50 chance baby won't need bloods.

Yes to the crazy dreams! I had loads last night about being pregnant but I didn't know who the dad was (how very Jeremy Kyle). The night before I had a shit scary one where this horrid creepy statue on top of the fridge (wtf!?) started looking at me then chased me round the house. DH got told off the other morning too as he woke me up as I was "about to have sex with Benedict Cumberbatch" - damn! Lol!

Had such a massive craving before for hog roast too - like you get at Christmas markets. Really want a white bap with loads of meat and apple sauce and stuffing!!!! Gutted as its not like that's something I can just go and find anywhere! hmm Hopefully ill start craving something healthy and available soon!

misskatamari Wed 21-Aug-13 11:57:42

Somany - sorry you're still feeling sick hmm and sorry to hear that your son hasn't got into the school - hopefully there will be some people who leave at the start of term and he gets a place. I know at ours we always get some that have signed up and just don't turn up and some who leave and go elsewhere.

Ch - sorry about the worrying blood results but atleast you're well prepared in advance and there's still a good chance everything will be fine. It's good your being positive 1/50 always sounds scary but that's a 49/50 chance baby won't need bloods.

Yes to the crazy dreams! I had loads last night about being pregnant but I didn't know who the dad was (how very Jeremy Kyle). The night before I had a shit scary one where this horrid creepy statue on top of the fridge (wtf!?) started looking at me then chased me round the house. DH got told off the other morning too as he woke me up as I was "about to have sex with Benedict Cumberbatch" - damn! Lol!

Had such a massive craving before for hog roast too - like you get at Christmas markets. Really want a white bap with loads of meat and apple sauce and stuffing!!!! Gutted as its not like that's something I can just go and find anywhere! hmm Hopefully ill start craving something healthy and available soon!

amicusapple Wed 21-Aug-13 11:58:27

Anyone else struggling to get a decent nights sleep? On Monday I just had a really uncomfortable tummy (not sure if it's bloating or growing?).

I had to come home from work as couldn't stop myself from crying! I know its just tiredness but it makes things seem 100 times worse. In bed hoping I can catch up on some sleep this afternoon.

What are you wearing over you maternity tights? Any nice dresses or skirt / top combos?

I find clothes shopping hard enough without trying to incorporate a bump!

misskatamari Wed 21-Aug-13 11:58:27

Sorry my phone was obvs just being a dick and posted 3 blinking times!

tinypolkadot Wed 21-Aug-13 12:10:15

Crazy dreams here too, I dreamed that dh left me last night, it was horrible! Feels so real at the time, even though something at the back of your mind thinks 'hang on, this isn't right'

My next appointments are all a week late too, I don't think it matters too much. I didn't realise my 20 week scan was at 21 weeks though only just worked that out, so I can add another week to my count down sad

I've just found a dating scan at Kiddicare in Peterborough for £39, see if I can persuade dh.

Hope everything goes ok with the bloods ch1134

As for cravings - I could sit and eat wotsits all day long!

CubanoHabana Wed 21-Aug-13 12:19:11

tiny be careful with things from lush, as although all natural, they use essential oils, some of which should not be used during pregnancy.

I used to work there years ago and there was actually very few things we could recommend for pregnancy at the time, just get the lush times and check the ingredients... Dream cream is definitely fine though and used to be the go to item we were supposed to recommend for pregnant ladies / people buying for gifts - very good for stretch marks too.

tinypolkadot Wed 21-Aug-13 12:23:39

Thanks for the advice Cubano I haven't actually got anything else of theirs at the moment as I remember someone at work selling one of the gift boxes because she was pregnant.

Good to know that the cream is ok to use while pregnant, I shall be using it for stretch mark prevention now too! smile

sunflowered Wed 21-Aug-13 12:56:46

I went back to bed for 15 mins before work yesterday after waking up early and in that 15 mins had a really vivid, really intense dream. Could I tell you now what it was about though? Not a chance!

Just spotted that there's now a May 2014 thread - we're proper old hands now! A whole trimester ahead.

mrscookie78 Wed 21-Aug-13 13:37:06

whoo im officially here now to chat about pregnancy stuff. I got the all clear from my cvs, and to brighten my day we found out the sex. grin I bought primark pants as they are huge and you don't want anything touching your scar if u have a section. I found boots maternity pads were very narrow so id avoid them!! I can dig all my maternity clothes out now even though I haven't outgrown much yet. grin

15+ 3

LovesToBake Wed 21-Aug-13 13:39:33

Another new thread! I can hardly keep up! I'm afraid I'm another one spoiling this shiny new thread by still puking almost every morning. This morning was hideous - some kind of bright yellow stomach acid type stuff. Sorry, hope nobody's reading this while eating their lunch - definite TMI! Also woke up with a pounding headache this morning which I'm sure is a hormonal thing, can't seem to shift it.

Noticed the question about maternity tights - I remember being happy with mine from M&S last time. Hope that helps.

Also a fan of the enormous Primark black pants and Mothercare maternity pads with wings for the early weeks. Someone mentioned sleeping on a pad for leaks. I didn't have that problem, but did have to sleep on a towel for a few weeks thanks to the leaking boobs as I had quite a problem with oversupply - another delight!

mrscookie78 Wed 21-Aug-13 13:39:46

sorry didn't see your post ch, hope you get a new result from yours and dh blood. try not to worry, least you know now and can be prepared. x

Shropshiremummy2bLaFay Wed 21-Aug-13 13:41:26

MissKat you really want a pork bap don't you?! I can think of two sandwich shops within walking distance of my office that serve them, give me your address and il wap a bap in the post.

I'm still here feeling bad that everyone is having a rough time of it except me, and now worrying it's all going a bit too well....

Have however been having the vivid dreams followed by being convinced theyre true followed by forgetting what happened in them seconds later.

About to take delivery of my preggo pillow which will hopefully keep me on my left side, I have been quite good at this mainly because DH snores like nothing you will have ever heard in your life, which I can sleep through, but it's pretty minging when he starts blowing in your face.

amicusapple Wed 21-Aug-13 13:45:31

Great news mrscookie!! It's such a huge relief isn't it!

Are you telling us which you're having? You're the first to know! (I think).

Do we keep a tally of who's having what on the stats thread? I can't decide whether to find out??

tinypolkadot Wed 21-Aug-13 13:54:38

ooh mrscookie what are you having?

Somanychanges Wed 21-Aug-13 14:07:09

ch1134 how scarey, but hopefully it will all be fine. There is nothing worse than all that worry during pregnancy. Hope the next set of bloods are more reassuring.

The school is so very popular and 8 children would have to leave for him to get in. I cannot see that much movement in this lovely village. But we have two routes now, one is an appeal, the other is to carry on with the application for a statement and hope that we have better luck next year when applying for the Junior school. There are valid reasons why the other schools are not suitable so I am hoping and praying we will win the appeal.

I think this is the first day in the holidays so far my children have not been arguing. They are playing so well together, which is rare. But when it happens it is really magic.

ChocoFrog Wed 21-Aug-13 14:17:19

Great news Mrscookie

amicus other threads I've seen put what they are having on their stats thread when they know. I saw one which had team blue, team pink and team yellow. A bit gender stereotyped but did at least give those who aren't finding out a way of saying so. How does everyone feel about sharing? I'll probably be team yellow so it makes no odds to me!

ch1134 Wed 21-Aug-13 14:21:35

Thanks for the support everyone. I feel reassured to be looked after by docs and was worried it'd be more concerning. I'll let you know if anything changes.
Sorry some of you still feel rotten. I've got away extremely lightly - not even gone off any food!
I won't be finding out gender. Before pregnancy thought I'd want to, but as soon as I knew I was pregnant felt overwhelmingly that I didn't want to know - don't want to prepare differently or think of baby differently just because of its sex (I'm a bit of a feminist!)

bugsyburge Wed 21-Aug-13 14:37:11

wow youve been chatting loads lately....I've been away for a couple of days so time to catch up nowgrin

Shropshiremummy2bLaFay Wed 21-Aug-13 15:16:09

Im the other way round ch1134, never dreamt of finding out the sex before getting preggers but now i'm desparado to know. The reason I didnt want to know before was because by finding out, it becomes a real person with a name therefore making it a million times harder in the awful case something bad happens. But right now it seems very pessimistic and I should just sit on DH until he lets me find out.

Camwombat Wed 21-Aug-13 15:28:00

We found out with ds, as we both wanted to know and meant we could cut out 50% of the names yes we are indecisive.
We didnt change anything else in our preparation and didnt go out buying "boy" things, everything was still neutral. Just in case they got it wrong. we would have been screwed with a name then
This time we will also find out, and once again play roulette as to whether each half of the gps that don't want to know find out...

Thingymajigs Wed 21-Aug-13 15:51:58

Thank you tiny. I'll put that on ny shopping list. The itching is unbearable at night time.
somanychanges I had a battle on my hands finding a secondary school for ds1. It took years of battling and appeals but he's now in a wonderful school (albeit an hours drive away). Don't give up, it will get easier and there is somewhere perfect for him.
mrscookie that must be such a relief. Do we get to know if you blue or pink or are you keeping it just between you and your family?

mrscookie78 Wed 21-Aug-13 16:05:25

hopefully they didn't get it wrong after checking the chromosomes grin I will spill after my 20 week scan to make it fair!!

laura0007 Wed 21-Aug-13 17:00:04

Ooh exciting that means our babies are all fully developed in the downstairs departments wink
Can't wait to find out, my 20 week scan is the 17th of September and it feels a lifetime away!! Then I can go out and buy little teeny blue or pink things!

Littleen Wed 21-Aug-13 17:27:36

Sling + cats sounds like a brilliant idea. Mine was not very impressed with the socks we put on, so don't think they'd be up for it :P Now I'm being told off for getting cat hair on the socks by DP - ?! Everything gets cat hair on it, we have 3 of the beasts! haha.

Vivid dreams were more a thing at 7-8 weeks for me, mainly about sex, or watching others have sex, and about giving birth to a baby that turned out to be an adult/toddler or cat. Very confusing.

laura0007 - I will be having a scan too around 17th September, for 17 week appointment.

How early can you see the gender? We really want to find out smile

Thisisfreakingmeout Wed 21-Aug-13 18:01:29

Nice one mrscookie, you must be thrilled!

I'm finding it all seems to be going quite fast. Plus I didn't realise they bumped my EDD forward to 2 /2/14 to add to my confusion!


littlestgirlguide Wed 21-Aug-13 18:08:57

I had my 16 week check this morning, at 15+1. It took precisely 6 minutes, while the midwife wrote up my notes a healthcare assistant took my blood pressure and tested my wee sample. She asked if I was feeling well, no other questions, and said she would see me again at 28 weeks. I knew that would be all there was to it, but I still can't help feeling a bit unimportant. Especially as it cost me 2 and a half hours annual leave (my boss says 2 hours is 'reasonable' for a medical appointment, and because the appointment was at 10.30, it actually meant me not getting to work till 12).

ch1134 Wed 21-Aug-13 18:27:14

That sucks that your work wouldn't give you time off (and isn't it illegal?) but really it's good as it means nothing has been flagged up to keep an eye on. I had mine today too and it took about half an hour, maybe longer - had to have repeat blood tests and talks, heard heartbeat and made appt for 25 weeks. If I were in work (teacher - sorry!), I would have needed at least 2 hours off too.

bugsyburge Wed 21-Aug-13 18:36:49

have any of you with cats had any peeing incidents? our female cat started peeing in the house when we returned from holiday in may..... I didn't know myself at the time but I was pregnant & so I read online about other people having female cats who did similar when they were pregnant?

it's lucky we were getting new flooring because the pee soaked through to the underlay in our spare room and I had no choice but to lift the carpet & throw it away angry

laura0007 Wed 21-Aug-13 18:46:21

No bugsy. I have a female cat but to be fair she only tolerates me in the house because I feed or or I think she'd have kicked me out long ago. I just get filthy looks if I walk past her and if I try and touch her you'd think I was trying to kill her! She never used to be like this, used to let me carry her around upside down like a baby but she's turning into a miserable old bugger in her old age!

Milkandtwo Wed 21-Aug-13 18:57:46

Boo, been up working solidly am since 6am and still several hours behind! Soooo ridiculously tired. Going to pack not in now and soak in the tub then to bed at 8pm i reckon. Whilst dreaming of pork baps, thanks for that misskat. Would adore a hog roast or a pulled pork sandwich right now. With a bottle of wine. Argh.

Our friend lent us her car seat which the cats have promptly done shifts in (musn't let her know, she's not a cat fan). Want to put it in the loft but not until I've cleaned it, but haven't the heart to kick the cats off. Aware this is bad behaviour I am not discouraging and need to change my ways! I'm going to start 'training' them soon by lining cot/moses basket etc with tin foil or sticky tape as apparently felines detest both and won't try it again? Hmm.

milk I found putting a baby in said baby items put my cats right off the car seat/pram/cot. They didn't appear to like my ds unpredictable movements and nature.

Nice cat did try to sit on ds within hours of him being born but once I said no, not until he is bigger than you cat he left him alone and still won't go near him hmm 'Orrible cat just glared at him for 6 months and then accepted that he was here to stay and kind of has a truce with ds (unless ds annoys her and then the claws come out).

YY to towel under boobs in the early days! My bed got drenched!

I had some mothercare maternity tights last time - really pleased with them. I have just bought some in h&m reduced to £2 a pair so no great loss if they are no use.

I am constantly craving soggy lasagne and really dry oven chips at the moment with huge piles of peas confused Not sure what my body is telling me I need!

mrscookie78 Wed 21-Aug-13 19:17:10

you can have private gender scans from 16 weeks grin

Littleen Wed 21-Aug-13 19:29:22

Awesome, thanks mrscookie78 smile

Cat peeing inside.. My female cat has always had a thing for peeing in the shower when she doesn't want to go outside. Laziness though, nothing's changed since I became pregnant. Could be stress if you just got back from holiday, or if it continues, you might want to take her to vets incase she has UTI or something. This powder carpet cleaning stuff - the pink brand, can't remember name, well it works woooonders on cat mess on carpets. Sprinkle, rub and hoover up smile

Also, pettyprudence you can get these little rubberthingies to put on your cats claws if s/he is scratching at your little one! Will defo get some for our cats, as one likes to slap others when annoyed, and one is just very clumsy and gets the claws stuck everywhere (potentially baby clothes?!) You can even get them in bright colours :P bit funny.

Milkandtwo Wed 21-Aug-13 19:40:24

If I put covers on my cats claws they'd probably take a shit on my pillow as a dirty protest and then I'd never seem 'em again. They're not mighty tolerant! Suspect they will all be terrified of DC, they're generally terrified of anyone other than myself and DH. I suspect because they raid neighbours houses and are accustomed to being chased out with brooms etc.

CubanoHabana Wed 21-Aug-13 19:58:29

We have litter trays in our downstairs cupboard with cat flap for them to get in, my female cat has started peeing copious amounts inside the cupboard on the floor - not in the trays. Still poops in them though... Don't know if its because oh is doing trays now and just not cleaning them as well or if its because of pregnancy.... She will also not leave me alone and is driving me slightly crazy!

Sassy20 Wed 21-Aug-13 20:02:24

My cat is pretty good with dd - swiped at her once when she crawled right at her and prodded her paw but got told off and been good as gold since.

Anyone else still feeling exhausted? I'm still suffering from insomnia and woke up at 3.30am today! Couldn't get back to sleep but started to feel tired again just in time for when my alarm went off at 6.30! As a consequence I'm now in bed as am feeling tired and sick - always worse when I get too tired hmm

marzipanned Wed 21-Aug-13 20:06:04

No pee problems with my (male) cat, but he is also Mr Velcro at the moment. It's been lovely while I've been ill but I am worried about how he's going to cope next Feb when he's not the only child any more.

I wouldn't dare put covers on his claws but in any case I'd be more worried about him suffocating a baby!

marzipanned Wed 21-Aug-13 20:07:10

Also, had another massive and really acidic vomit this evening. I'm now thinking I should have titled this thread: Not Blooming, but Blooming Marvellous!

Milkandtwo Wed 21-Aug-13 20:15:50

Yeah I was also worried about cat-baby suffocation, though I suspect they will avoid baby like the plague. Just in case I'll be getting a net to put over cot and will let you know how I get on with foil/tape aversion training!

misskatamari Wed 21-Aug-13 20:18:51

No weird weeing from our cats luckily. Apparently they do get really affectionate due to pregnancy hormones or something. When my heavily pregnant best friend came to stay we went out to ikea and got home to a trail of feathers up the stairs and a dead bird in the middle of the futon shed been sleeping in - like a thoughtful present from the cats! Hope they don't decide to be as nice to me!

One of ours has long hair and keeps getting poo caught in it at the moment - bloody nightmare! I don't wanna go near her incase she's carrying pooey germs around but she's the one who likes me and always wants cuddles. DH has bathed her this evening and keeps trying to trim her fur in the area but she's not having any of it. Might need to take her to the vets for a trim bless her.

Milkandtwo Wed 21-Aug-13 20:22:21

Haha yes that reminded me of the time I shaved the (fairly feral) cat's arse with DH's beard trimmers (subsequently binned) She's not had dangle berries since - I think it was so traumatic she's specifically worked out a new method! Poor cat. So undignified.

misskatamari Wed 21-Aug-13 20:29:15

Lol I know - I feel so bad for her! We've got a special pet trimmer but she just won't let us do it! Must persevere (whilst wearing body armour!)

CubanoHabana Wed 21-Aug-13 20:34:52

Both of my are huge Maine coons so very long fur...

lyndsey90 Wed 21-Aug-13 20:40:33

I love my Doppler so much... Is there a limit on how much they should be used?? I love listening to the movement noises!!

Milkandtwo Wed 21-Aug-13 20:45:16

Yes it took DH to wrestle with her with her swaddled in a towel and I was wearing firemans gauntlets! We still got shredded. Like I say - traumatic.

CubanoHabana Wed 21-Aug-13 20:50:49

I have a nice scar on my arm from last time I tried that with my girl cat, luckily she doesn't seem to get the poo crumbs now, just wet feet (yuck), my boy does but is such a huge softy that you can literally do anything with him eg wear him round your neck like a scarf...

misskatamari Wed 21-Aug-13 20:55:25

Awww sounds so cute cubano! Milkandtwo I think well need to try the swaddling! She's normally so placid but anything like this she goes mental - I had to get her sedated at the vets when she needed a blood test as two of them couldn't manage it!

My dopplers not working today hmm think I must have left it on by accident and the battery has run down - either that or it's super shoddy!

Zazou1 Wed 21-Aug-13 21:08:23

Crikey, new thread already! Must do better with keeping up and posting....by the time I get round to checking in the pm am so exhausted I just want to sleep smile

Congrats mrscookie that's fab news!!

Re celebrities- I am also sadly obsessed....am quite pleased that the Cowell woman looks pretty preggo for about 10 weeks or whatever so feel better about my spate tyre smile daily mail online blush is good for spying on preggo celebs!

Also having major vivid dreams-prob because I'm sleeping so light due to multiple nighttime toilet trips. Joy.

jazzcat28 Wed 21-Aug-13 21:09:08

We have 2 male cats and 1 female. All normal behaviour so far. Ours only have access to the garden, kitchen and dining room all with tiles/ laminate floor. So am cleaning with dettol twice a week. No way are they going near Moses basket/cot - one is the size of a small dog and would definitely flatten a baby!

Thanks for all the maternity tights suggestions!

After getting this far with virtually zero symptoms, tonight I hit a real low. DH cooked steak and chips and I couldn't eat even a third of it without retching. Haven't actually been sick but felt horrid. Generally feel more hungry during the day than evenings so perhaps bean was trying to tell me to cut down!

CubanoHabana Wed 21-Aug-13 21:17:40

I seem to be eating a lot less than usual, no sickness or feeling sick (only was nauseous at very beginning) but just not eating as much... Have actually lost 1 pound from pre-pregnancy weight...

Not sure what's going on! I normally snack all day on junk, although I have started having cereal for breakfast and never used to have breakfast, so maybe this is the reason?

sunflowered Wed 21-Aug-13 21:38:25

Dh has just told me he might not be able to get out of work for my scan tomorrow - things have come up that he needs to be in the office for sad iI know it's not the end of the world, and the outcome of the scan won't be changed by him being there or not, and it's not a job you can always plan for, but I can't help thinking they'd manage to cover it if he was sick or on holiday. He's so harsh about other people changing just social plans because of work, but because 'this is really critical' it's fine for him to pull out and not even apologise sad

sorry for the rant. I don't have a peeing cat to tell stories about but my neighbour's is sitting at the back door watching me stew!

HarlemWobble Wed 21-Aug-13 21:58:33

Evening! Just popping in quickly to let you know our offer on the house was accepted! grin

Keeping everything crossed all is ok with the valuations and survey and that we don't get guzumped, but am quietly optimisitic we will soon be in our family home!

Hope your all doing ok. Sorry to those still feeling ill. I threw up this evening with absolutely no warning. Luckily I was right by the kitchen sink.

LittlePandaBear Wed 21-Aug-13 22:08:00

Zazou - pleased to have a fellow daily mail celeb 'news' fan to chat to! I've been on my own reading heat in the corner as the rest are talking cats and I don't have one.

Although if you think a cat weeing on your carpets are bad, wait until you start potty training a child...

Great news Harlem about your house! Fingers crossed for you!

HarlemWobble Wed 21-Aug-13 22:10:26

Sunflowered that's so frustrating about your DH's work. Fingers crossed for you that it's not essential of him to be in the office.

HarlemWobble Wed 21-Aug-13 22:31:25

Thanks Panda x-post!

I'm off to google celeb baby bumps...

CubanoHabana Wed 21-Aug-13 22:53:00

Congrats harlem that's fantastic news!

Shropshiremummy2bLaFay Wed 21-Aug-13 23:05:39

zazou & panda I'm with you on the celeb thing too. When I found out I was pregnant Frankie Sandford had just come out, and out and out. Jeeeeesus, talk about blooming!

Sadly the Daily Mail and Facebook apps are checked hourly and occasionally jazzed up with a look at my seven million pregnancy apps. This week I'm an avocado and a turnip. Wonder if il still be checking them when it's a watermelon. I'm pretty sure that il be well award of its size by then.

Shropshiremummy2bLaFay Wed 21-Aug-13 23:06:10

Award=aware. Obvs.

vix206 Thu 22-Aug-13 07:16:57

Lyndsey my gp told me to limit doppler use to once a week for 20 minutes.

Since I've felt movement at 12 weeks mine has been sat in the drawer smile

18+2 and still (impatiently) waiting for scan date grin

DS is 3 in just over a week and potty trained 6 months ago. Also have 2 cats. DS hasn't once wee'd on the carpets but my cats are an absolute nightmare!!! confused

Milkandtwo Thu 22-Aug-13 07:48:33

I'm getting bleach cleanable carpets fitted next week. Seemed like a good call... Cats don't wee on carpets but the'yre quite pukey and that stuff stains!

Sassy20 Thu 22-Aug-13 07:49:00

Congratulations on your offer been accepted Harlem - great news. Just don't do what we did and move the day after your due date! That was dh's suggestion when dd hadn't arrived on time - she then arrived 6 days after we moved in so amazingly had most things ready! smile

Milkandtwo Thu 22-Aug-13 07:50:14

Also I use my Doppler daily but only for about 30 seconds at a time just to find the heart beat, listen for a tic, say hello then away it goes. I love it!

sunflowered Thu 22-Aug-13 08:00:17

Great news about the house harlem - hope you get through all the legal stuff quickly and have plenty of time to nest before feb.

Dh has gone in early to increase his chances of getting out early. On the flip side I have to leave even earlier because I forgot my notes... It's a 15 mile detour to pick them up - they're staying in the car after today!

My mum's cats have never weed on the carpets. My younger brother however.... mum was mortified when he took himself off at her friend's house, climbed under the dining room table, weed on the brand new carpet, then climbed out to be changed.

vix206 Thu 22-Aug-13 08:06:37

Sunflowers good luck for today, I hope your DH manages to get out early smile

misskatamari Thu 22-Aug-13 08:44:05

Harlem congratulations on the house gigs excellent news grin

Sunflowered good luck at your scan today - fingers crossed DH can make it.

Milkandtwo - bleach cleanable carpets are fab. One of ours is sick loads and its great to be able to give em a good scrub. Need to hire a rug doctor before baby tho to make sure the carpet is nice and clean - I'm sure it won't stay that way for long tho!

misskatamari Thu 22-Aug-13 08:46:15

Going to go in school today and do some work/ see how the kids did in gcses. Not sure what to wear - do I go for "pregnant" looking or "hide the bump I'm just a bit porky" - maybe a nice maxi dress for the latter!

jayney86 Thu 22-Aug-13 09:33:14

Hi everyone,
Just saying hello once again really struggling to keep up with you chatty bunch lol wink!
Good luck with the scan today sunflowered, I'm sure your hubby will make it. smilethanks

Bearfrills Thu 22-Aug-13 09:39:57

Four years ago today I was in labour with DS! I was still at home at this point but had been up all night with contractions. It was DHs sister's wedding day and she properly kicked off when DH rang to say we couldn't come and why. Then his stepdad rang and said "well you can still come". DH said no (yay DH) but I took a proper bitch-fit and said fuck a lot mainly followed by the word "them". I ironed him a shirt, kicked him out the door and told him to be straight back after the service grin

So my little fella is four tomorrow! Iit really doesn't seem five minutes since he was a chubby little yellow faced thing, a few days old and making those newborn snuffly noises - honesty, he used to snort like a piggy when he wanted feeding. I'm definitely hormonal because I cried twice while wrapping his presents last night and baking his cake this morning ready to decorate tonight.

I waited so very long for him but in the end it was all worth it, he's brilliant. A little toad at times but he's my toad. Enjoy it all ladies, the pregnancy and the newborn days and all the days that follow, even on the bad days try to find one positive thing about that day (some days that thing might be the moment they fall asleep!) and write down the little things that make you laugh or make you smile because they're the things you forget as they grow.

gnittinggnome Thu 22-Aug-13 09:53:59

Interesting that other people are having cats glommed onto them as well - my two won't leave me alone, which is a pain because I'm trying to Get Stuff Done and doing it with a cat sat on both hands whilst at the computer is not helping. I wonder if it's partly because we're warmer than usual? Apparently our metabolisms are starting to rev up, and we're producing more heat. Or is it pheromones? Thankfully mine haven't started peeing everywhere, in our rental flat with nasty carpets...

Harlem we've just had an offer on a house accepted as well! Hoping to move in beginning of December and have a gentle, controlled, swapping over of stuff from one place to another. It's miles away though, so 90 minutes on the trains/tubes/overground and 120 minutes from the hospital I'm hoping to give birth in, so that will involve a degree of camping in our old flat, I think. In January. I'm not sure we've thought this through very well...

jazzcat28 Thu 22-Aug-13 09:54:24

bear aww bless you! You certainly sound like a devoted mummy... I can't wait to experience motherhood (although if bean takes after its father I might be wondering why I even tried)

harlem congrats on the house! And good luck for the move whilst pg - good excuse to sit around with a cuppa and directing burly men to do all the lifting and shifting though

sunflowered hope today goes well and fingers crossed for your DH

girlguide I think your employer has broken the law asking you to take annual leave for your antenatal appointments - not sure if you can (or want to) challenge them, but you shouldn't be at a disbenefit (e.g. having less holiday hours) due to your pregnancy

I am so glad we have this thread by the way lovely ladies. I have found it so supportive, helpful and hillarious! I had a friend round for dinner the other night who showed a tiny bit of interest in my bump and I ended up spending the entire evening talking to her about baby stuff and poor thing looked a little frazzled by the time she went home! This thread is a lifesaver (not only for me but also my friendships!)


Thingymajigs Thu 22-Aug-13 09:54:50

Did anyone else not get a nuchal measurement from the 12 week scan because baby was in a bad position?
I've just come back from my 16 week mw appointment where I had a blood test taken for downs. She seemed bothered by the fact that no measurements had been taken at the scan and ominously said it was very rare for that to happen and my age (31) would push up the risk factor along with recent bleeding. She ended by saying 'good luck.' confused I wasn't at all worried before then but she seemed very concerned just on the basis that they hadn't taken a measurement. But that's only because baby was lying face down. Surely they would've said if they suspected problems.

littlestgirlguide Thu 22-Aug-13 10:07:06

In our work guidance it says 'reasonable time' is allowed for pregnancy related appointments, which we can take as paid special leave. my boss says 2 hours would be classed as reasonable for a check-up.
However, because of the time of the appointment meaning it wasn't worth going in to work beforehand, and the travelling time, it Actually took 4.5 hours.
If the appointment had been at 4pm or 9.30am, then I coul have done it within the two hours and it would be fine. As it is Ive had 2 hours special paid leave and 2.5 hours annual leave.

ch1134 Thu 22-Aug-13 10:21:26

I'm very surprised they can get away with that littlest. Surely 'reasonable time' is enough time to get there and back? It's not like you can't go, so doesn't this count as discrimination?
Bearfrills you made me cry! I had just finished OBEM as well though. I just want to sit here watching it all day but I really have to force myself to do some work.
Enough talk of cats now thanks everyone! Back to babies please!

tinypolkadot Thu 22-Aug-13 11:50:52

Wonderful, my DSIL has bought a dog and called it Poppy – a name I was considering for a girl. Sooo annoyed angry

marzipanned Thu 22-Aug-13 12:37:11

Oh bear I have a tear in my eye! I CAN'T WAIT. This time is going so slowly and I just know it's going to go so fast when little one arrives. (Btw I can't believe you let your DH go to the service, you're a better woman than me)

sunflowered good luck today!

Thingy we didn't ask for a measurement but the sonographer did a quick one anyway, it wouldn't have bothered me if the baby had been in a difficult position and she hadn't been able to get it. I haven't and am not planning on having the bloods taken to get a high/low risk number. Anyway, 31 isn't old - what?!

I am not sure how much I trust my community mw now. She told me that pregnant women aren't getting the flu jab any more, but when I saw my GP for cyclizine he said, "and don't forget to get your flu jab this winter." When I told him what the mw said he made a massive hmm face and basically said that was nonsense.

vix206 Thu 22-Aug-13 12:42:19

Marzipanned, I was told by my midwife that the flu jabs are on a 'short program' which means I may or may not get one. All down to budget cuts again.

Ruggle Thu 22-Aug-13 12:44:11

Hi lovely ladies

Just a wee note about maternity clothes. Don't buy from Seraphine online unless you know exactly what size you need as the returns process is rubbish, and I am still having to chase them for £72 four weeks after losing my baby! Horrendous customer service.

ASOS and JojoMamanBebe refunded me within 7 days of me putting the clothes in the post, which was fab.

Hope you are all blooming and feeling well!


Bearfrills Thu 22-Aug-13 12:51:32

That is unbelievably shit Ruggle sad do they have a head office address? I'd be writing a sharply worded complaint!

Somanychanges Thu 22-Aug-13 13:00:22

Aw Bear that was beautiful. It's easy to loose track of how precious they are when you are ill and they are constantly squabbling, messing up the house and misbehaving.

I have found this pregnancy so hard because I feel it has ruined my relationship with my children to a certain extent. I was so so ill a few weeks back I had no energy to stick to our usual routines and without routine and discipline they went wild. We are slowly getting back to normal as I am improving each day. And the last few days I have remembered why it was I wanted a third child as they really are amazing.

I am not a pet person so no cats here. I grew up on a farm and had every pet you can think of including horses, ducks, lambs, birds, dogs, cats, rabbits and gerbils etc. there were many more our house was like a zoo. I absolutely loved it but I think it has put me off pets as an adult, my poor children ask for a pet daily. I have finally given in and said we can have a dog, be it a tiny one (Bichon Frise). But we will have to wait until our next house move as this rental house has beige carpets throughout and a pet would not be a good idea in here.

I wish I could wait until birth to find out sex as I would love a surprise but I am just too impatient. We found out at the 12 wk scan that we were having a boy with DS. We did not even realise they could tell that early but the Sonographer said she could see the sex and would we like to know. I hinted at the Sonographer this time but she was not giving anything away.

vix206 Thu 22-Aug-13 14:24:13

Finally got my scan appt through grin
5 September at 12.30. I will be 20+2 so that's great. Countdown begins, I can't wait to see the baby again and hopefully know whether its a boy or a girl smile

bugsyburge Thu 22-Aug-13 15:01:48

yes to being exhausted, I can barely get out of bed in a morning or keep my eyes open by mid afternoon. I could really do with a lazy weekend but I seem to be running an unofficial b&b with four different guests over four nights sad sad

ah tiny that would annoy me too because poppy is our number one name.... hopefully you have a boy & it will be problem solved

misskatamari Thu 22-Aug-13 15:13:29

Vix excellent news about your scan! Not long at all to wait grin

Bear - your post was so lovely smile It's lovely to hear when you're feeling knackered and fat just how wonderful it will be.

Thingy - they couldn't get NT measurements at mine either. Baby kept moving around and facing the other way so am due to have bloods instead. I think your MW is talking crap so just ignore her - its nothing to do with higher risk if they can get measurements - just down I position. The sonographers need to be really precise with it so can't take it if baby isn't in a position where they can see everything they need to (I think anyway).

misskatamari Thu 22-Aug-13 15:15:00

Bugsy I'm totally exhausted too! Didn't sleep too well last night an got up early to go in work for results day and by 1 o'clock I was done in and had to come home for a nap. Don't know how most of you are coping working full time at the moment - I applaud you. Really hoping to be more energised in a couple of weeks when term starts

ch1134 Thu 22-Aug-13 15:23:20

How did the GCSE results go misskatamari? I didn't go in for mine as I've only been working there since Jan (yep - miss out on OMP by 7 weeks!) and didn't have many students. Also haven't yet told the Head my news so could be awkward!

misskatamari Thu 22-Aug-13 15:25:59

Quick question - are you guys happily telling people about being pregnant now? My friends and family know and have told a couple more people at work today but only people I chat to.

I think I just feel really weird telling people "I'm pregnant" as I don't really think its really their business but also feel weird chatting to people and not mentioning it as im ovbiously either pg or fat! Does that make any sense?? I think the gossips have already been at it anyway to be honest as my friend who's a head of year was in a meeting today and mentioned a maternity cover and this other woman was like "oh yeah miskatamari" - which is just weird as she is on maternity herself so hasn't seen me to be able to come to that conclusion.

misskatamari Thu 22-Aug-13 15:31:10

Not great overall Ch1134 alas. I had a lower set in year 11 who just didn't care, some got okay grades but the ones who just CBA did crap. My year 10s did pretty well, but I was hoping for better. It's so frustrating. You put in so much effort to teach them and give them everything they need to revise and achieve but so many of our kids just don't really try. They just think "it's hard, I can't do it, I'm gonna fail" and give up which is so so disheartening.

Thingymajigs Thu 22-Aug-13 15:31:13

Thanks misskatamari I'll stop worrying then. Stupid pregnancy anxiety.
I wasn't even going to have the blood test done but as I was there to discuss birth centre options I thought I might as well. It's just the way that she suggested that there was probably a chance based on the missing measurement. As though they suspected problems but couldn't be sure so didn't write it down.
It wouldn't make a difference to us either way but I thought it would be preferable to be prepared.

Thingymajigs Thu 22-Aug-13 15:38:05

Yes, I do feel weird telling people. And now most people know I kind of wish they didn't. This is probably because I'm quite a private person and I don't like the feeling of being everyone elses property. It has to happen eventually though. I think people would start to question a massive bump going unexplained.

EeyoreIsh Thu 22-Aug-13 16:03:42

I'm dreading the return to work and telling people. My boss knows already but no one else does. I work on a huge open plan office so there's no chance of saying anything discreetly. And my bump is certainly at the stage now where people will question if I don't say anything.

I'm feeling really pants today sad I'm covered from head to toe in eczema and I don't have any cream with me. I also feel a bit woozy and dizzy (as well as the usual nausea), like I have a virus. I'm worried it might be a uti, I'm resting now but it feels like a waste of a holiday! If I don't feel better soon I'll go in search of a doctor and practise my French.

My sister had a little boy yesterday morning smile she had to have an emcs but he was born healthy smile I'm looking forward to getting home and meeting him. He's not got a name yet, and they have to stay in holiday for a few days.

I've taken advantage of hotel wifi and ordered lots from new look, including the holy grail of 36" maternity jeans. Any ideas for where I can buy nice long maternity leggings?

16+4 today.

tinypolkadot Thu 22-Aug-13 16:24:16

I got some lovely long over the bump leggings from Matalan EeyorIsh they are even a big too long (i’m usually a 32” leg) dead comfy. Congrats on your gorgeous new nephew!

bugsy the more I think about it the more annoyed I get. We hadn’t even talked about names yet and dh said it was one of the names he liked too sad and it’s a dog! It’s not even human! I'm also convinced its a girl, I'll get a surprise if it's a boy!

Ruggle thanks for popping back to see us, I can’t believe the poor service you are getting from that company, it’s disgusting. I hope you’re doing well flowers

I haven’t felt the need to constantly stuff my face today to keep away nausea – is this a turning point? I hope so!

ch1134 Thu 22-Aug-13 16:24:16

I know what you mean with the GCSE grades - it can be so disheartening. I had one boy this year who kept saying 'I'm happy with a C' and refused to work any harder. He doesn't know that we're held to target grades, and from this year will get performance related pay!It won't get any easier!

I've told all friends I've seen about pregnancy but not been into work so no-one there knows. I do think they'll guess but would rather not talk about it with people I'm not close to until after the 20 week scan... Will have to wait and see...

ch1134 Thu 22-Aug-13 16:24:52

congrats on your little nephew Eeyorish!

Camwombat Thu 22-Aug-13 16:24:54

We have told a few people but this time around I want to keep it a bit quieter, although the quite distinct bump is going to give it away.
Luckily I don't see many people that often, however, we are moving house next week (to 200miles away) and are having a leaving do. I might get rumbled then.
I am tired most of the time, and am trying to rest in between looking after 2y.o ds and packing.
It took the sonographer 25 minutes to do the nuchal measurement, she was just about to give up when she got it.

misskatamari Thu 22-Aug-13 16:43:40

I dread the hoops were gonna have to jump through with performance related pay Ch1134 as its just ridiculous. Your performance isn't just the grades the pupils you teach get - and it annoys me that it seems to ignore the fact that at the end of the day THEY are the ones who need to do the work and revision if they are going to pass. It is just gonna mean even more covering out own backs by recording every last intervention/phone call home/booster class etc as evidence of what we have done to try and get kids go wake up and take some responsibility for the fact that it is them who need to sit the exams and actually make an effort with their coursework if the want to pass! Sorry ladies - teacher rant over!!!

Ooooh I've not thought of Matalan for maternity - having a look online they seem to have some nice stuff. Some very comfy looking dresses which look like they're below knee which is great as Im tall and dresses are normally just too short. They do look like they are very "IM PREGNANT LOOK AT MY BUMP" tho lol!

Would you still consider using Poppy thingy? I'd be tempted to think "stuff them" if you love it as its a gorgeous name but I guess it would be weird having a daughter with the same name as their dog. Bloody cheeky woman!!

tinypolkadot Thu 22-Aug-13 16:52:57

I guess we could still use the name misskat, I just wouldn't like it if she thought she was named after a dog etc. (Here's me calling baby she!) grin I know, the least she could have done is consult with me or a least call the dog something more doggy!

I got a couple of maternity dresses from Matalan too, and they are very comfy and a good length!

Littleen Thu 22-Aug-13 17:07:16

Grats on house Harlemwobble!
Also, this UK obsession with carpet floors is gross! Get some proper wood flooring and put some gorgeous rugs on instead :P So much more hygienic, and looks better too!

Can't believe you ironed a shirt whilst in labour, Bearfrills :P that's mental! I also am hormonal - cried when I got to buy some cheddar today. Miss my lovely cheddar so much, but crying of happiness for getting some is a bit ott :P

misskatamari We told my boyfriends brother and family yesterday, and telling his parents in a few days. Other than that, my parents and a few friends know. I just feel a bit awkward telling aswell - don't expect anyone to care much for some reason! Not showing at all yet, so don't feel very pressured to tell anyone!

Littleen Thu 22-Aug-13 17:13:16

Oh, and go ahead with Poppy anyway! I have a friend who met her now husband years after naming her dog - so now the dog and the husband has the same name. Who cares! :P Just give the dog a nickname, like Poppers or Poplet or something, and gopher it with the baby! smile

marzipanned Thu 22-Aug-13 17:35:07

Ruggle I agree you should be making a serious complaint - it sounds like you are coping admirably but it's a horrid time for you and they shouldn't be making your life harder flowers

Eeyoreish congrats on nephew! I have a new cousin as of this morning, same name as our number 1 boys' pick but I think we'll use it anyway if this is a boy.
Another one here who'd still use Poppy despite the dog - indeed I had a friend growing up who always named her dogs after herself smile

Littleen haha DH and I were talking about the wooden v carpet thing last night. We've had a mix in all our homes and, I have to say, in the winter there's something really cosy about a carpeted room that's hard to replicate in a wooden floored room, even with loads of rugs.

I haven't made a pregnancy announcement as such but have told quite a few people as the HG has meant I've had to quit my job, cancel every single social occasion this summer, etc. Everyone has been absolutely amazing and kind.

On the subject of tiredness - today, after 8 hours last night, I slept from 8am-midday, 2-3pm and 4-5pm. That's not normal sad

misskatamari Thu 22-Aug-13 19:02:27

Ooooh my work jumpers from gap have arrived and are great. Room for bump but not giant sacks like the monstrosity I ordered from next! Phew might actually have clothes to wear at school now!

DawnOfTheDee Thu 22-Aug-13 19:15:47

Oh god, pretty much everyone knows i'm pregnant! For one thing I really haven't been able to hide it for the past 3-4 weeks at least. Another big baby I reckon.....

I tried that chinese gender prediction chart...according to that i'm having another girl. As our house pretty much rocks me and DH then spent ages creepily trying to work out when friends/family conceived! Of the ones we could do that chart was right 5 times out of 5 shock Spooky!

My 20 week scan is 10th Sept so not too far away.

Hope all you ladies who are still feeling sicky start feeling better soon x

I've definitely got my energy back - thank god....it's soooo draining feeling that tired all the time smile

CubanoHabana Thu 22-Aug-13 19:22:03

I went into school today for results... I'm same as misskatamari my bottom set year 11s did horrendously, nothing over an F but my 2nd set year 10s have done fab, mostly b's, a few c's and 2 d's (from the ones who had said they would just be happy with c's even though targets are b's). Also grade boundaries were higher than normal (I teach maths) and virtually all of the c's and d's were 1 or 2 marks off next grade... Shame I won't be allowed to get most of them remarked!

We have just had our amended pay policy sent over and ours is actually virtually identical to the LEA one, no performance related pay (yet)...

Also told my head today and she screamed and hugged me! Very unexpected! She seemed very happy for me and even happier when she realised I would be back on September!

laura0007 Thu 22-Aug-13 19:23:37

Yeah everyone knows I'm pregnant too. And I woke up this morning with a baby bump that seems to have appeared from nowhere! I actually look pregnant now smile
I've just been watching the midwives on BBC iplayer. Trying to get as much insight into labour as I can as I'm still petrified of the pain! I'm going to be one of these pathetic women begging for an epidural at 1cm dilated!!

CubanoHabana Thu 22-Aug-13 19:32:37

Didn't tell anyone else at work today apart from my hod but I know SLT are going to be discussing it in a meeting today (head asked if I would mind), so by time I go back a lot more people will know!

I just find it hard to just randomly say to people 'I'm pregnant', there is no way the conversation can be led to it easily!

Also went to dentist again today- had last temporary filling done, only 2 needles this time but last one hit nerve so gave me very painful electric shock in mouth! But dentist was happy as he said it meant it would be numb straight away because of it... Out it this way, that was 2pm and I still can't feel anything on that side of face!

DawnOfTheDee Thu 22-Aug-13 19:35:23

You know what I quite liked labour in a weird way. The contractions hurt (induced back to back labour!) but I found i could cope because you knew each contraction would be over in a minute or so. Besides that it was fun:

drugs on demand
me being the centre of attention
everyone jumped at the slightest hint i wanted/needed anything
we did a big pub quiz for a while with our mw joining in
lovely big fat baby at the end

What's not to like! grin

DawnOfTheDee Thu 22-Aug-13 19:36:19

Cubano do what I did and get a sandwich board made! wink

That or tell someone with a big gob and let them do the work for you....

laura0007 Thu 22-Aug-13 19:39:19

So does it not hurt when you're not having contractions then?

laura0007 Thu 22-Aug-13 19:39:53

Sorry that makes me sound like a complete idiot....and stupid! But I have no idea! Surprised I knew how to even make a baby to be fair lol grin

Littleen Thu 22-Aug-13 19:48:41

Watched the American version of One Born Every Minute, and they give everyone epidural and tell them to go to sleep. "We'll wake you when it's time to push". They advice to always have epidural. I find it seems very strange, and well, distanced from what is actually happening? I get the need to rest a little bit during labour, but they just seem to go to sleep and not engage at all O.o Very different from UK version!

DawnOfTheDee Thu 22-Aug-13 19:53:42

There are no stupid questions here laura0007!

No, the inbetweeny bits don't hurt smile

laura0007 Thu 22-Aug-13 19:58:16

Ooh good thanks Dawn. Whenever I hear about people being in labour for hours and hours I just couldn't figure out how they coped. But I suppose if its a minute of pain then a minute of no pain that's not so bad. Feeling a bit better about it now thank you smile

DawnOfTheDee Thu 22-Aug-13 19:59:02

No probs smile

Littleen Thu 22-Aug-13 20:02:00

Does anyone else have cluster headaches, and does labour hurt as bad as that? :P Just heard alot of people saying it's not quite as bad as the headaches, but I am not sure what to think!

lyndsey90 Thu 22-Aug-13 20:03:11

Babies babies babies!!!!!

littlestgirlguide Thu 22-Aug-13 20:04:03

To all those teachers, I do sympathise with performance related pay, I am not a teacher (any more) but in my current job I am effectively on performance related pay. I am an advisor in the the Jobcrntre, which means my pay/bonus is based on 'offlow', or basically, how many people go into work each month. It's not as easy as 'here's a job' anymore, and if they fail to apply for jobs, fail to even look for jobs to apply for, or don't bother going to / trying at interviews I've set up, then that affects my pay. Very frustrating. I am looking forward to 9 months off!

marzipanned Thu 22-Aug-13 20:08:57

Littleen if you get the chance have a watch of the Business of Being Born. It's a documentary - obviously very one-sided, but explores the increasingly interventionist nature of childbirth in the US. Because of the way their medical system works financially the hospitals are incentivised to give epidurals, inductions, even c-sections... All of my friends in the US who wanted what we could call a natural birth had to either have a home birth or go to a specialist birth centre.

Bearfrills Thu 22-Aug-13 20:11:23

Yeah, in between contractions is absolutely fine. I was falling asleep in between them when I was having DS grin I was waking up, pushing, then as soon as the contraction was over I was passing back out asleep. I even snored blush The first time I did it though apparently looked a bit scary as one second I was talking rubbish to DH (I got a bit hallucinatey through tiredness), the next my eyes rolled shut and my head went limp and I slumped over on the bed. I woke up literally five seconds later to the sound of DH panicking at the MW "she's dead! Oh my god! She's dead!" Poor bloke had been awake over 24hrs by then and was beyond worried as I don't think he fully realised what to expect in labour.

I was a bit scared in the run up to it but once labour actually began I found I was fine, accepting even. You get to a point where you realise your baby has to come out one way or another!

misskatamari Thu 22-Aug-13 20:11:49

God that sounds a right pain littlest! That's the thing - if pay is down to the performance that you put in to a job I don't mind - it's when it's based on other peoples actions who you actually have no control over then it annoys me.

Ooooh dawn you actually make labour sound pretty nice grin pub quiz sounds fab

Bearfrills Thu 22-Aug-13 20:13:41

I have a friend who lives in the US marzipanned, she had to go to three different hospitals before she found one who would let her deliver without an epidural and they made her sign a waiver before she was allowed to labour in water (she had to get out before delivery though, "too dangerous to deliver in water")

DawnOfTheDee Thu 22-Aug-13 20:18:20

Thanks misskatamari - I do remember it fondly. Also I had 2 birth partners....my DH and my best friend so it was a really nice sociable atmosphere!

Milkandtwo Thu 22-Aug-13 20:19:33

Litleen my friend has cluster headaches (also known as suicide headaches) and from what I've seen of both that and labour, (most people's experiences of) labour is not as bad. The fact that some people are able to labour with no pain relief says it all - no pain relief would be inconceivable with a cluster headache for anyone (and provokes a drastic reaction from those sufferers caught short, hence the nickname sad.) I wouldn't wish cluster headaches on my worst enemy. He says a normal migraine represents a tiny tiny percentage of the pain of a cluster headache attack. Vile.

CubanoHabana Thu 22-Aug-13 20:20:57

littlest that's what my husband does and don't get me started on whether you send enough people for DMA's (if that is the right abbreviation), the amount of whinges I have heard when he gets home about that, yet surely if you are doing your job right, you don't need to refer people for them, so how can you be targeted on it?

My issue with pay like that for teachers is it really depends on what set you have and that often depends on how well you get on with your HOD...

Very frustrating!

dawn sandwich board sounds like a good idea... Although as soon as one of the kids in school finds out, rest of school will know!

vix206 Thu 22-Aug-13 20:21:14

Oh I hope I get inbetweeny bits this time. I literally had 7 hours of constant agony. But I have to remind myself it wasn't contractions it was pain from an obstructed bowel. I couldn't even feel my contractions, that's how intense the pain was!confused

CubanoHabana Thu 22-Aug-13 20:21:56

I like the sound of taking a ready prepared pub quiz with me to labour with!

Sassy20 Thu 22-Aug-13 20:22:49

After having dd I understood why you are pregnant for nine months - because at the end of that time you've had enough and really don't care about labour anymore of what you go through as long as it gets the baby out!!!

marzipanned Thu 22-Aug-13 20:23:13

Bear I know in ways their medical system is amazing but stories like that make me relieved I live in Europe! I guess the litiginous culture also has a lot to answer for.

Somanychanges Thu 22-Aug-13 20:24:25

wow Marzipanned that is a lot of sleep. Are you low on iron too? Mind you could just be your body regaining some of the energy lost through HG.

I am particularly tired today but no rest for me with two busy bees to look after. I think I should hurry up and get iron from the docs as I feel like I am shutting down. sad

That's ashame for those kids who did so poorly in their exams. Some just dont realise the importance at that age, I know I didn't. And now after completing my degree with a 2:1 I have to go to college and sit Maths and Sience GCSE's to become a teacher. I might start this in October but will wait and see if I feel up to it. If I had just tried that bit harder... I was so naive I got A's in the subjects I loved but D's in the subjects I didn't (maths & science).

What is everyone's opinions on the Flu jab then? I have been told I should have it this winter but I am not sure if I will.

Milkandtwo Thu 22-Aug-13 20:24:49

OMG Litleen, re-reading your post - do you have cluster headaches? I'm so sorry if that's the case! there's me trying to tell you what it's like second-hand, purely based on my friend's suffering/my research! If you do suffer with them I suspect you're totally hardcore and won't even notice going into labour. (tries to take large foot out of mouth)

CubanoHabana Thu 22-Aug-13 20:26:50

Tmi (sorry)

I actually thought I was having contractions this morning... Turned out to be poo pains... Really painful, in short bursts, then would be ok. Had to run to toilet but was paranoid to look down, thinking I would see baby...

I wouldn't say I was constipated, but have definitely been going for no2's less frequently but hadn't really noticed. Now I think I must be as (ahem) it took a while to go but once I did, the relief and no more contraction type pains!

For those onto 2nd or more babies, can you tell the difference between Brixton hicks and real contractions? How do you know when it's the real thing? Was anyone early?

vix206 Thu 22-Aug-13 20:28:12

My Brixton hicks were totally painless and just tingled. Half the time I didn't notice them but other people saw my tummy tighten.

Littleen Thu 22-Aug-13 20:28:13

marzipanned I'd love to watch it, know of any good site I can watch it on?

MilkandTwo - I didn't realise they had painkillers that worked on cluster headaches - my attacks normally come on during the night, and I just wake up with insane pain behind my eye! I have had normal migraines too since I was little, and it's not at all the same kind of thing, as your friend says. Migraine is a walk in the park compared! Migraine pills help if taken right at the onset, sometimes, but when they come in the night it's impossible, and yes, you do get (or I do anyway) suicidal at the time, because it really is unbearable! But luckily it goes away smile

My boyfriend keep saying I will not cope at all with labour, that I have a really low pain treshold and I'll just be begging for an epidural straight away! Pisses me well off!

amicusapple Thu 22-Aug-13 20:28:21

Bought our. family car today, a lovely megane with isofix bits for car seats.

Can I ask a question too please?

If I plan to bf do I still need to buy bottles and sterilisers etc? And do I need to take formula to hospital in case I dont get on with bfing?

I am finding everything so overwhelming, so many types and styles and functions of everything!!

vix206 Thu 22-Aug-13 20:29:53

Amicus I bought bottles because I expressed right from the start so DH could do late night feed. I also bought a steriliser for same reason.

I didn't buy any formula but I'd imagine the hospital would provide some if you absolutely needed it.

Littleen Thu 22-Aug-13 20:30:30

Haha, don't worry about it, MilkandTwo

CubanoHabana Thu 22-Aug-13 20:30:56

I have been told that I need the flu jab and the whooping cough one (had whooping cough in December) although they have said I may have antibodies for whooping cough now but they said best to have it...

My mum has flu jab every year, as diabetic and teachers for severe special needs children who are more susceptible to flu... She feels rough for a couple of days but then fine.

rueyrichardson Thu 22-Aug-13 20:32:45

Just checking in really, we are back from holidays and I am catching up on everyone's news. It seems to have been pretty chatty over the past few weeks! smile

CubanoHabana Thu 22-Aug-13 20:33:21

amicus I was on a thread the other day and a few people were saying that they had been told my hospital to take formula 'just in case they needed it' as hospital didn't provide it, but this lead to a lot of people asking about what happens if your bf and baby needs top ups, surely hospital must have some just in case... Don't think they came to a conclusion.

Just done the chinese gender thingy and I am apparently having a girl. Back dated it to ds and it came out as boy hmm We will see!

I am still utterly exhausted!

I found labour ok, contractions every 2 minutes for 1 minute then a 2 minute break again. The contractions after transition were considerably easier.

I never had any braxton hicks with ds. No sign of labour either actually confused even when mw checked me the day before! His head didn't descend until labour and my waters didn't go until 12 minutes before he arrived.

amicusapple Thu 22-Aug-13 20:37:33

Thanks vix. I think I might do the same. DH is keen to be as helpful and hands in as he can be.

LovesToBake Thu 22-Aug-13 20:38:20

Laura0007 I also have positive memories of my birth and while I remember the contractions had me stopping to hold onto something doubled over as I walked into hospital, once I got into the room with the pool, some bizarre cavewoman instincts came over me, I remember stripping all my clothes off and jumping in the pool (having packed a bikini top which I assumed I would wear to protect my modesty!) and it being the best feeling ever. After that, there was some pushing and I definitely remember the head crowning was super stingy but it's over in seconds and the next thing you know you have a baby in your arms. I'm genuinely looking forward to the birth this time around as I feel I know what to expect more and how my body is likely to just get on with it!

amicusapple Thu 22-Aug-13 20:39:23

I suppose can always send DH out for formula if it comes to that.

marzipanned Thu 22-Aug-13 20:40:08

somany my iron should be okay as my ante natal includes it, I think you might be right and my body is just taking a while to recover from the ravages of HG. Good luck with getting those GCSEs - you are quite amazing planning that with a new baby, and home schooling!

I don't know about the flu jab - the GP said all pregnant women definitely should have it, so probably will end up doing so.

littleen I think I rented it from itunes - you could try itunes/netflix/if you use anything like that? Or can probably get an illegal download from the pirate bay?

vix206 Thu 22-Aug-13 20:41:21

WRT hospitals that say to bring own formula - I'm sure they wouldn't let babies go hungry, and if all else fails they must sell formula in the hospital shop. They did in Leicester but it is quite a large hospital..

Milkandtwo Thu 22-Aug-13 20:42:19

litleen my friend has imigran/sumotriptan injections. He gets prescribed a load (grudgingly as they are v expensive) then self-administers at the onset. The only thing he ever found that actually worked though was psilocybin (found in magic mushrooms!) sadly not legal anymore but it was up until about 6 years ago and tiny non-hallucinogenic doses would keep them totally at bay. Google it - there's some interesting research projects on it!

Bearfrills Thu 22-Aug-13 20:42:59

My hospital keeps milk for BF top ups and will provide it if needed, I was BFing DD but she was really sleepy (turns out my milk my codeine flavoured ... ) and kept puking too so the ward MW offered to top her up with some formula until the codeine was out of my system (I'm really sensitive to it and one pill is enough to knock me out).

My braxton hicks were like tightenings right across my abdomen, my whole bump would go rock hard and tight. They weren't painful but would sometimes leave me a little breathless. If you're ever not sure though have two paracetamol and take a warm bath. If they go away they're braxtons, if they don't then it's probably the real deal.

vix206 Thu 22-Aug-13 20:43:15

LovesToBake at the end of my labour I lost all inhibition and screamed at the midwife to help me get my bra off. Because of wires she said she couldn't and I told her to cut it off me! I remember just being desperate to feel the freedom of being naked! So weird grin

laura0007 Thu 22-Aug-13 20:45:20

Thanks loves. It's just hard to imagine when you've never done it before and programmes like OBEM the women sound like they are dying!

jazzcat28 Thu 22-Aug-13 20:45:29

I'm having the flu jab I think, why not? If its specifically offered to us Preggos i guess it's low risk?

Anyone been on a spa day whilst pg? I booked one for end of sept for me and my mum. Package includes massage, manicure and facial. Guess I can only have the manicure?

marzipanned Thu 22-Aug-13 20:48:02

jazz you can have the lot, just let the therapist know.

The spa here does a special pre natal session - massage and skin stuff - I'm going as a present from DH as soon as I feel properly better.

jazzcat28 Thu 22-Aug-13 20:50:11

I think it'll be fairly obvious when I waddle in at almost 20wks! Fingers crossed I can have at least a neck/shoulder massage and some sort of face scrub. Mums been looking forward to it for ages

CubanoHabana Thu 22-Aug-13 20:52:07

Would think maybe get them to do a sensitive skin facial and just make sure they are careful about what oil they use for massage...

Littleen Thu 22-Aug-13 20:52:18

Very interesting, I'll have a look smile Found a free stream of the film, woho!

marzipanned Thu 22-Aug-13 21:00:41

Ooh I think I'm going to watch it again, will probably feel differently about some of it now I'm pregnant!
Found it free here: www.filmsforaction.org/watch/the_business_of_being_born/

Urgh I am so glad not to give birth in America! They have one of the worst maternal death rates for any industrialised country and worst maternity leave. Its shocking! I have only watched a few minutes of the business of being born but I wander if their highly medicalised and insurance based system is the reason for so few mw's and the disregard for them contributes to their poor rates? Having only done a little bit of googling, it does seem that the european countries with good maternal death rates have a midwifery based system?

I highly recommend watching some hypnobirthing videos on youtube - they really changed my dh's perspective of birth (ie it wasn't necessary to be on your back with legs in stirrups!)

Timpani Thu 22-Aug-13 21:34:39

Never had any braxton hicks that I was aware of!

In early labour when contractions were five minutes apart I had a rest and would almost count down to the next one (contraction timer online) and then I'd count down to 45 seconds as I knew that once it got to 45 it would be easing off. I really thought labour was ok! smile

I haven't told school I'm pregnant yet but bumped into an assistant head in town who said I'm looking good.... FWIW I had skanky hair and no make up so I'm wondering if she's suspicious! I'm another who hates saying the words 'I'm pregnant'. In fact I'm so nervous about telling my boss. I don't actually know what words I'll use!

littlestgirlguide Thu 22-Aug-13 21:35:30

Cubano, tell your DH I am with him on DMA! Stupid, illogical process. No target my a**se.
I had pethedine during my first labour and remember sleeping between contractions, and about 8 hours passing in what seemed like five minutes. There is an inevitability to it, you sort of resign yourself to it and get on with it!
I've more or less been told I will be getting the lu jab, hadn't realised it was optional!

sunflowered Thu 22-Aug-13 22:59:11

just wrote a really long post and pressed a button on phone that deleted the whole thing! Rubbish!

To summarise... Thanks for telling your labour'/pain stories. obem etc seem to mainly focus on the drama so good to know there might be some respite.

Dh made it to scan, which went well. V glad he got there as think it's made it real for him. Our too-early scan just showed a blob at 10+5, possibly with limbs and a head, but today's images were really clear. Was v wriggly and in wrong position so didn't get great measurements, but condirmed organs rtc healthy. I think wrigglines might mean more likely tobe a boy but have to wait 26 more weems to test the theory!

dh went home and put it straight on to facebook. I guess that takes the awmkwardness out of it!

mrscookie78 Thu 22-Aug-13 23:00:28

crikey, you lot talk loads grin im having the flu jab this year, I had it when I was pregnant the first time. last year I had full on flu and Christmas and I felt awful, there's no way I want flu again sad

I have the most hideous headaches at the moment but my blood pressure is fine and I have no other symptoms.
I watched a lot of us shows on maternity wards, I remember one woman screaming when she had her Epidural or spinal. I was horrified watching that but when it comes to it you don't particularly care and its not that painful. one lady is right, you are so fed up come 9 months or longer. you just want that baby out and in your arms grin i had bh the whole way through and got worse towards the end of my pregnancy. For some women the pain doesn't go when you try to walk it off and sometimes a pain in your bottom can be a sign of contractions or maybe that was just me!! grin

sunflowered Thu 22-Aug-13 23:00:34

wrigglines? weems? awmkwardness? Time for a good night's sleep I think!

mrscookie78 Thu 22-Aug-13 23:02:30

Glad your scan went well sunflowered smile

Milkandtwo Fri 23-Aug-13 06:26:01

Bah, been up since 5.30am (and currently childless!) anyone else waking up crazy early these days? I'll be exhausted by 9.30 when I have to start work.

laura0007 Fri 23-Aug-13 06:44:21

Yes milk me too. Been awake since about 4.30, and couldn't get to sleep till gone midnight despite nearly being asleep on the sofa at 8pm grrconfused

Thingymajigs Fri 23-Aug-13 06:46:01

Yes and I'm getting sick if it. I wake up every 2 hours despite making sure I'm exhausted before bed but nothing helps. Woke up for good at 5.30 today same as you. Wonder what's causing it?
Off on a long weekend to a cottage in Wales today with Dp. This will be our only and probably last overnight trip together sans children.
Having an issue finding a second hand Uppababy vista. There are so few of them that they go for just short of the RRP. Thinking I might as well buy new and sell on to make my money back but I think £600 for a pushchair is silly.

Thingymajigs Fri 23-Aug-13 06:46:02

Yes and I'm getting sick if it. I wake up every 2 hours despite making sure I'm exhausted before bed but nothing helps. Woke up for good at 5.30 today same as you. Wonder what's causing it?
Off on a long weekend to a cottage in Wales today with Dp. This will be our only and probably last overnight trip together sans children.
Having an issue finding a second hand Uppababy vista. There are so few of them that they go for just short of the RRP. Thinking I might as well buy new and sell on to make my money back but I think £600 for a pushchair is silly.

misskatamari Fri 23-Aug-13 07:00:28

Joining you in the 5.30am club! So rubbish. I feel knackered which makes me feel sick but just wake up early and can't sleep. Maybe it's our bodies preparing us for life with babies!

Pushchairs are so pricey aren't they thingy. We want the city jogger baby select which is about £430-£500 but when you factor in car seat and base and carrycot it's more like £800!

If resale value is good on the one you want I guess it does make sense to buy new as atleast you'll probably make a lot of it back

Sassy20 Fri 23-Aug-13 07:04:20

I'm another one with pregnancy insomnia! I asked the mw about it and it's pretty common and should (hopefully) go sometime in second trimester smile I woke up at 3.30 the other day and didn't go back to sleep so was in bed by 8pm that night as was beyond tired.

Taking dd to see In the Night Garden live today. Should be an interesting day - she'll love it whereas I'll probably fall asleep after early wake up again today!

vix206 Fri 23-Aug-13 07:16:00

I'm waking up lots in the night now with hip and leg pain, just like I had with DS sad

Also waking up around 5am like clockwork, then tend to fall asleep after an hour or so meaning DS wakes me up for the day 20 mins later and I feel like I've been dragged from death!!

I go to bed before 9 every night though after 3 years of an early rising or non sleeping DS, so I do still tend to get 7 or sometimes 8 hours.

Sunflowered - glad your scan went well smile

EeyoreIsh Fri 23-Aug-13 07:26:41

I'm waking up early too, but I'm shattered so it's not because I don't need the sleep. I'm slowly coming to the realisation that I may not have a full nights sleep for a loooooong time!

Congrats on the scan sunflowered, it's so exciting to see the wiggles on screen smile

I've cracked and I'm wearing a maternity dress for the first time today! I don't really need it yet as bump still the size of tummy podge, but it feels good grin

DH and I went through our baby name list again last night, over tapas! We removed Phineas from the list (boo) but added some new names in. I still like Malachi but DH yet to be convinced.

laura0007 Fri 23-Aug-13 07:53:51

Eeyore, phineas is cool! Like the phineas and ferb kids show! I like it smile
Yes I'm also realising this is probably it for sleep for the next 15 ish years until baby turns into a bed hogging teenager confused oh god... What have I done....confusedconfusedconfusedconfusedconfused

Bearfrills Fri 23-Aug-13 08:05:02

I've been up since 6am because that's when DS sat bolt upright in bed (my bed to boot, he still sneaks in at 3am and refers to it as the family bed), clenched his fists, shaking with excitement and announced "I'm four! I'm four! .... Aren't I?" <bleary sleepy face>

We told him he is definitely four and he insisted we measure him as he will have grown lots since yesterday "four is bigger than three". He's on a total high and is quite literally bouncing off the walls and talking a mile a minute.

I'm looking forward to pizza and cake for tea grin

misskatamari Fri 23-Aug-13 08:22:07

Awwww he sounds sooooo cute Bear! I hope you all have a wonderful day celebrating and enjoy your yummy tea smile

Milkandtwo Fri 23-Aug-13 08:29:43

That's very cute Bear!
I'd just dozed off again when bloody carpet fitter rang. Bastard. But I am excited - we're having it done in the 'nursery' today, the plaster's nearly dry and then I can decorate it - my idea of heaven!
I think I felt baby kick today? By I was deliriously tired so not 100%, especially as I felt it move from the outside against my palm. The little bump is rock hard this morning and very distinct so I know I wasn't cradling my gut or anything! 16 weeks today...

Milkandtwo Fri 23-Aug-13 08:37:59

Thingy go for it if that's the one you want and you can - you're right about the resale, you'll make a saving there instead. That's how I justified my wedding dress cost when I bought it! (promptly sold it the week after for 75% what I paid for it, good result, guilt immediately lifted!)

marzipanned Fri 23-Aug-13 08:45:43

Aw bless him bear. Happy birthday little bear cub!

Dopplerholics, I need your advice. Mine arrived this morning and it took me about 10 minutes to pick up my own heartbeat! Heard nothing of the baby's at all. Not sure I was doing it right - maybe didn't use enough gel...

16+3 and still no bump/movements. I know it's not unusual for a first pregnancy but it's still making me a bit nervous.

Milkandtwo Fri 23-Aug-13 08:53:27

Use loads of gel and move it around 1mm at a time really slowly whilst angling it around too - it's like safe breaking! I find mine about an inch above my bikini line and normally off to one side a bit... Sometimes I find it and it quickly disappears as baby wriggles off to a different corner ;)

LittlePandaBear Fri 23-Aug-13 08:53:41

Morning all - although for some of you it will feel like the afternoon! Hope you can get more sleep soon!

Just catching up on yesterday's chat. I needed some formula when I'd just had DD and had planned to breastfeed so hadn't really thought about formula, bottles etc! But breastfeeding got so painful for me that I was advised to give myself a break and use some formula which I didn't argue with. The hospital did have formula and asked me to choose what brand. I didn't have a clue about formula brands so just asked them to choose one for me, which was Aptamil and I stuck with it. They also advised me to express milk which I did, but I didn't have a pump, so they let me use the hospital electric pump and they have their own disposible bottles and teats. In the meantime, I sent DH out for a breast pump, bottles and some formula supplies (I could have got the pump online for about half the price that DH paid in the supermarket, but I felt desperate!). In the end I managed to do a combination of breastfeeding, expressing milk and formula for around 3 months until my milk ran out.

So the moral of the story is just be prepared, and unless you're really dead against formula feeding, get some supplies just in case you're really struggling and baby needs milk! If you want to breastfeed but also want to leave the house with baby every now and then in the first 6 months, then you'll also want a breast pump! I started with an electric pump as I thought it would be the quicker option and worth the extra money, but I soon swapped it for a manual pump which I managed to use quicker than the electric one (and the electric one was noisy, not great when I was expressing in the middle of the night!). Oh, and you'll need a steriliser.

The other thing that I had never heard of until DD was around 3 weeks old were nipple shields. They're little clear plastic things that fit over your nipple with a little hole in the middle, so baby can suck from that instead of your own potentially sore nipples. It was a bit of a lifesaver for me as my nipples had got so sore I didn't think I could do it anymore, but it was so much less painful for me and DD had no problems with them. The shields even come in different sizes which was amusing - I mean do people really know if their nipples and small, medium or large? confused

Obviously breastfeeding isn't painful for everyone or mother's wouldn't manage it for so long - I'm really not trying to put anyone off. I think my main trouble was that I was initially told by a midewife that DD was latching on perfectly and I woudn't have any problems, so they left me to it without giving me any further help/advice until my nipples were bleeding and sore! Sorry for TMI in this post but no one had told me about any of this before DD was born and it would have been helpful to know so I could have been more assertive with asking for help at the hospital.

I think I've written enough for now! Have a good day everyone, and Bear enjoy your little boy's birthday! cake

Sassy20 Fri 23-Aug-13 09:03:00

Just a word of warning on nipple shields - don't use them for too long. I used them after very sore nipples when bf dd and it seriously reduced my milk supply. When spoke to a hv about it they said the amount of milk going through shields is reduced so your body reduces supply to match even if it shouldn't. I ended up taking fenugreek to boost supply although it didn't come back and struggled after that. Shields are great short term if your nipples are cracked/bleeding etc but once I braved it again without it was fine. smile

misskatamari Fri 23-Aug-13 09:05:06

That's really good to know littlepanda. I'm planning on breast feeding and was unsure whether to get a pump/steriliser etc as I know DH would like to be able to help out and feed the baby sometimes. My friend had a nightmare with her first as like you was just given bad advice and left to it so I'm hoping to do lots of reading in preparation so I feel more able to cope with it if its a struggle.

Marzipanned - don't worry I could only find my own hb at first. I put it away for a few days then tried again (as was worried I'd become really worried if I just kept trying and didn't find anything). The next time I could hear the placenta (I think) as its a whooshing sound and then I managed I find hb. Last time I found hb quite quickly (much faster than yours and did actually sound like horse galloping which was weird) but it does sometimes take a while. I found mine on the left side about an inch above knicker line but its tricky to find the right angle. Try not to worry yourself, use lots of gel and if you don't find it maybe put it away for a day or two then try again. I need to get a new battery for mine as its either run down or packed up after three goes (hopefully the former).

Grrrr after my early get up I was all ready for logging into the remote server at work and blitzing thru my planning and it won't bloody let me. Don't know if its a problem with the whole system, just remote access of just my password. Really CBA going in again today but I wanna get this work out of the way hmm fingers crossed its magically fixed when I try again!

Champagnebubble Fri 23-Aug-13 10:11:33

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

marzipanned Fri 23-Aug-13 10:27:22

Thanks for the advice milk and missk! Think I didn't use nearly enough gel and was way too impatient and tried out way too small an area!
However, I'm going to put it away for the time being as we've got the scan on Sunday and that should satisfy all my baby heartbeat needs (fingers crossed that scan is good news)

Champagne so glad the hols were a success!

marzipanned Fri 23-Aug-13 10:28:30

PS To all those who recommended cocoa butter - thank you! - have just put it on for the first time and the smell is making me massively nostalgic, though I'm not sure for what. Lovely.

Somanychanges Fri 23-Aug-13 10:43:38

I am actually inclined to think breastfeeding is sore for everyone. Has anyone had painless breast feeding? I have not known anyone who has. But I think what Panda said is right first time mothers need to be more prepared for that possibility by midwifes or antenatal classes.

I was lucky I had grown up around my mum and aunties who all breast fed and I saw the pain, bleeding, mastitis and cracked nipples but then I also saw that when they kept going it eventually got better and then just seemed like the easiest thing ever. Just to whip out a boob and get on with it seemed so effortless.

So I suppose I was one of those who was going to breast feed no matter what. It hurt like hell for a while but it's a bit like a new shoe which gives you a blister. If you stop wearing it next time you try again the same thing will happen but if you bear the pain and carry on wearing it eventually the skin toughens and it's not sore anymore.

The midwife said my positioning and latching on was all perfect but I still ended up with cracked, bleeding and crusty nipples. But it is such an amazing experience and the most wonderful bond to have with your baby.

Saying that I'm not one of those woman who go about scorning at people who decide not to or give it a try then stop. I think it is totally the mothers choice and there are a mix of breast and bottle fed babies in this country who all seem to do great regardless.

There are lots of reasons people have to stop also. I BF my first until about 14 months but when my son came along I got ill and when he was 9wks had to start taking medication and therefore, had to stop breastfeeding and switch him to formula, we also used Aptimal like Panda. I actually still feel guilty about it as we never developed the same bond as I did with my daughter and he is one of those children that picks up every illness whereas my daughter is always fighting fit. But that's life we can never fully plan how things will go. He is still a super healthy boy.

Anyway enough about that. I finally had a good dream last night after a few nights of nightmares. I dreamt about giving birth and meeting my beautiful baby and although I woke up again at 5am I had a big smile on my face.

Bear happy birthday to your little boy, he sounds so sweet. I hope you all have a lovely day.

gnittinggnome Fri 23-Aug-13 10:50:15

marzipanned it's gorgeous isn't it? Much better than synthetic vanilla-scents (tho I'm sure there are synthetic scents in it, but who's counting?)

champagne yay for brilliant holidays, hope you're feeling better!

Re American births, they are only just beginning to introduce gas and air over there, so for years the entry-level pain relief has been an epidural. I've been reading Ina May Gaskin's "Guide to Childbirth" and it's great - she's a complete hippy, and has been a midwife in a commune for decades, so she's pretty anti medical intervention (which I am not at all, but it's nice to hear from the other point of view, IYSWIM). Anyway, it's full of things about preparing and tips on how to relax and manage pain. I'm taking it with a huge pinch of salt re some of the scarier analyses of the medical intervention, but then it's a different health system from ours, so that's not too bad. I've also been forwarded a YouTube video of a woman in Australia having a completely natural birth in a creek, and it's amazing - ok so it's baby number 4, and she's a doula, but it's calm and quiet and cool. It's also NSFW as it's very graphic, but if you ever wonder how you're going to stretch to pass a baby's head it's quite amazing to see it in action. It's also long (20+ minutes) but it's worth it if you've never seen a woman actually give birth before.


vix206 Fri 23-Aug-13 11:10:57

I BF'd DS until he was 2, having said I would aim for 6 months smile He had other ideas.

It really hurt for the first month, and I don't know anyone who has said otherwise. Yet despite this I still hear midwives and HV's saying that if it hurths you aren't doing it right. I think this results in lots of women losing confidence and giving up.

For me (and the friends I have spoken to about it) it is very sore (like Chinese burn on your nipple!) for the first 10 seconds of a feed, and then it is absolutely fine for the rest of the feed. I think it hurt like that for 3-4 weeks with me. That little bit of soreness was well worth it for me, I loved breastfeeding DS and I can't wait to do it again.

I watched one of my best friends suffer terribly with mastitis and have to give up after one week, and several other friends whose babies just could not get the latch right resulting in pain and cracked nipples etc. It can be really hard, and I wish 'the system' was better set up to help women.

I was bottle fed and I never had a problem with the idea of bottle feeding DS, but I wanted to try breastfeeding - and for us it was the right thing.

Timpani Fri 23-Aug-13 11:21:05

I had it bad with breast feeding. But I was so determined that he was not having formula. I had breasts, that's what they were for. I had cracked, bleeding nipples for 8 weeks and had thrush and infections and all sorts. But I didn't give up. MW/breast feeding person said that I was probably the only person in my situation that she knew that carried on despite what I experienced. So, if I can do it through sheer stubbornness then anyone who really really wants to no matter what can too! I had a pump but barely used it. My friend gave me some emergency formula and it went off and in the bin. My DH asked me once and once only if we wanted to give it to DS and he never asked again. When it was really bad I said to DH that I would rather experience labour pains again as that was more preferable. But, you sacrifice yourself for your children and I was adamant he'd be breastfed no matter what.

I'm still BF 17 months later and will carry on even though I'm pregnant again.

Somanychanges Fri 23-Aug-13 11:48:45

Has everyone decided who they are having with them at the birth?

With my first I had my mum and DH and my second DH and my best friend.

I can't decide whether I should just let it be my DH and I this time or if I should ask a friend to join us.

It was really helpful having a female especially my mum the first time. I was in pain after but she helped me to the shower and helped me wash etc.

gnittinggnome Fri 23-Aug-13 12:36:29

somany I'm hoping for DH and a doula.

lyndsey90 Fri 23-Aug-13 12:43:01

I have decided to only have my OH at the birth because I have a really strong bond with my mnum (she had me young so we are more like besties lol) I'm afraid id pushOH out if the picture and cling to mummy haha. I'll have her on speed dial tho!!

Littleen Fri 23-Aug-13 12:57:30

somany I just want my boyfriend and the midwife I think, can't think of anyone else I'd want in there to be honest!

I hope to breastfeed, it's the most common thing to do here, and I just cross my fingers I'll be able to. My mother had issues with it, but I know of friends who breastfeed like champions with no problems whatsoever. I think it has a huge deal to do with being shown properly how to do it, and also I've read from a very skilled midwife's books that it's not adviced to give bottle at all for the first 6 weeks, as it can make baby confused on how to suck properly on the nipple, thus making it much harder.

So I will continue my research, get lots of help, and hope for the best! :P

vix206 Fri 23-Aug-13 13:12:11

I had one of those babies who was just a natural. He was born, they placed him on my tummy and he did that amazing newborn crawl reflex up to my breast, latched on and had a feed. All within 1 minute of being born. smile

I just had DH with me at the birth, and will again. My mum would really stress me out and I really wanted it to just be me and DH to be honest.

EeyoreIsh Fri 23-Aug-13 13:32:35

marzipan I'm 16+5 and haven't felt any movements yet. I also only really have a bump when I need a wee! Rest of the time I just look a bit podgy. You've probably just got tummy muscles of steel grin

It's so useful to hear other people's views of breastfeeding. I'm quite nervous about it, but definitely do want to breastfeed if possible. I think I will buy a pump etc so if I'm really shattered DH can do a feed.

I've a few stupid questions... Does it stop hurting after awhile? Or will it always hurt a bit? And (TMI) I have b very flat nipples, will I still be able to breastfeed or will itbe more difficult?

Milkandtwo Fri 23-Aug-13 13:35:46

Itchiest nipples in the WORLD right now, I think it's you lot all talking about cracked, sore, bleeding, chinese-burned nips. They've got the fear.

If I'm not able to breastfeed I'll be very annoyed at having put up with such enormous waps for so long for nada. (they were F before, currently at G and giving me the worst neck ache! They want to at least be good for something...)

Milkandtwo Fri 23-Aug-13 13:37:48

Eeyoreish I also have quite flat nipples (and quite small) I was going ot give these a shot?
Nipple formers

marzipanned Fri 23-Aug-13 13:43:54

Thanks Eeyore that's reassuring! smile

I'm really keen to bf too - apart from all the health and bonding benefits, we had some friends staying who were ff and my goodness the faff. Maybe they were just a bit disorganised but it seemed to take them about half an hour to prep a bottle.

I'm just planning to have DH at the birth - though have been umming and ahhing about a doula. Has anyone used one? I'm not sure whether the hospital staff would be pleased or not?

jazzcat28 Fri 23-Aug-13 13:46:22

I'm still on the fence over bf-ing. I would love to do it, but am of the attitude that if I can't, it's not a bad thing to use formula and plenty of babies (myself and my brother included) have been strong and healthy without bf. I am a bit of a stress bunny and know if I set myself up to try and achieve something and fail I will feel very depressed and worthless. So am going for the 'let's see if it works' approach. If it does, bonus, if I can't or don't want to, then I have a warm loving home for baby and if he/she is fed by a bottle and that's my only 'crime' as a mother then I'm doing ok.

(Should add, I'm not against bf-ing, in fact totally support it and fingers crossed I'll be able to manage it, I just hate all the pressure put on us mums-to-be that breast is best and making those who use formula feel second best)

misskatamari Fri 23-Aug-13 13:47:21

Milkandtwo if you have any cocoa butter put that on - it really helps! One of mine is so bloody itchy and that seems to shift it!

jazzcat28 Fri 23-Aug-13 13:48:35

By the way, my random baking instinct has struck again. After Sunday's fruit cake urge, today I've made a banana cake and have the stuff in to make brownies later. Thing is, I don't even eat much of it once it's baked. Just feel an uncontrollable urge to bake. DH therefore thinks pregnancy so far is amazing.

vix206 Fri 23-Aug-13 13:55:16

<b>eeyoreish</b>, as I said a bit earlier - IME the first 3-4 weeks it is sore just for a few seconds at the start of feeds and then after that it isn't sore at all anymore. Unless you have a problem, of course. But generally speaking it doesn't hurt at all once your breasts have got used to it smile

Breastfeeding will usually sort out flat nipples smile It certainly did mine! Went from flat to 'wow you could hang a coat off those' within a week!!

vix206 Fri 23-Aug-13 13:55:56

Ignore weird formatting in my post above! I'm at work and was trying to bold your name Eeyoreish, used html instead of Mumsnet controls smile

misskatamari Fri 23-Aug-13 13:56:48

Oooooh jazz you've reminded me I need to make banana cake as I've got some slightly sorry looking ones that need eating! Wish I could be arsed...

bugsyburge Fri 23-Aug-13 14:06:33

can I ask..... what's a doula?blush

marzipanned Fri 23-Aug-13 14:14:10

bugsy It's basically a birth partner, you would see her in the run up to the birth and talk about what kind of birth you want, then she would be there to support you and be an advocate for you. I like the idea of the continuity of support, as obviously mws can be in and out and change shifts, plus I worry that if I am in lots of pain it will stress DH out and we will need a third voice of reason... also it's first birth for both of us so we have no idea what to expect and she could help tell us what's normal and so on...

bugsyburge Fri 23-Aug-13 14:20:41

ah thanks marzi

Milkandtwo Fri 23-Aug-13 14:44:38

Good call misskatamari. No cocoa butter but have Champney's bump cream which is lush. It bothered me for so long what it smelt of as it was so familiar but couldn't put my finger on it, then had a revelation yesterday and yelled "SAUNA'S" whilst applying, which flummoxed DH.

Would bloody love a sauna right now. The last time I had one I snuck in and sat on the top bench (I like it hot) behind a group of girls. After 5 mins one of them spotted me out of the corner of her eye in the gloom and shrieked, saying "oh my god I didn't see you come in, you scared the shite out of me" to which I replied, very quietly "...you mean you can see me?" grin Made myself chuckle for aaages with that one.

gnittinggnome Fri 23-Aug-13 14:46:04

bugsy My thoughts are that if all goes well, and there are no dramas, the midwives will be seeing to other people for most of my labour, but as a worry-wart I'd be happier with someone there who can tell me what's normal and what's not, and if necessary go get help whilst DH is still there with me.

I asked a doula about whether or not midwives resented the extra person in the room, an extra "expert" and she said that so long as the doula has some common sense and isn't overbearing, midwives tend to like having doulas there as it can calm down the mother and generally help the whole process.

Basically I see a doula as being like having an older sister or aunt there who's had 15 children before and knows the ropes!

sunflowered Fri 23-Aug-13 14:59:27

Contraction pain yesterday... Nipple pain today... Weeks of bleeding last week... I think it's going to take longer than 6 months to prepare for all of that shock

It'll just be dh with me at the birth. My parents live nearby but his are in northern ireland so I'm already paranoid about there being an imbalance in how involved his family can be. Plus, my mum's view of pain or problems is to 'just get on with it', be practical, and stop moaning. She was talking about having her much loved cat put down today because it's smelly and needs monthly vets visits to keep the smell at bay. No emotions!! I should add that she's spent large parts of the last month helping with our painting and refurbishing, she's great, as long as things are logical and make sense which I suspect won't be the case in labour.

Somanychanges Fri 23-Aug-13 15:14:10

eeyoreish no it does not continue to hurt. Once the nipples are used to it it's as easy as pie. You just whip it out whenever baby needs a feed its that simple and no pain. But I think people have to be prepared that it can take a while to get to that point and some like me do end up with a lot of pain before that easy part. That's when a lot of people I know have stopped breastfeeding they just cannot bare that stinging pain. But it really does not last forever and if you can persevere through the pain it is such a magic bond to have with your baby.

I won't be bothering with any bottles or steriliser to begin with. They are things that can easily be picked up if needed after. From my own personal experience and from working with babies. If you really want to succeed with soley breast feeding it is best not to use bottle at all. Baby otherwise gets used to the easier flow of the bottle and does not make as much effort on the breast, which ends up with a decreased milk production and ultimately a need to stop breast and move to bottle. But if your husband is keen to help out and you don't want to use a bottle for reasons above you can always give cup feeding a go. We had to do this for my DD as she was prem and as I was so adamant that I would only be breastfeeding they said she should definitely not have a bottle. So I expressed with the hospital pump and we cup fed her until she was a bit more awake and had the energy for sucking.

Wow a doula sounds good, it seems like quite a popular thing in the U.S. but hadnt heard of them in U.K. I may just go with just my DH and as I will probably need my best friend to have the children.

Has anyone had there DC at the birth? My two want to be there but I know they would just cause trouble touching things etc. I can imagine being mid contraction and having to stop my son playing with some hospital equipment. That would just be stressful.

I was at my little sisters birth but I was 13 at the time. It was amazing, I cut the cord too.

Shropshiremummy2bLaFay Fri 23-Aug-13 15:28:16

I would loooooove to have my mummy there and mydog, but she and DH would bicker like anything and there's a time and a place for that. I'm considering a Doula.

Breastfeeding makes me feel a bit icky, but i'l give it a whirl.

My quest for girls names (to rival Sir Wilfred Arthur Percival) continues.... what are your thoughts on Peony?

I also like Willow, but it's a little bit common these days (and it makes me sound like a bit of an earth mother) so thought I could go Wilhelmina and shorten it to Willa (as a pose to Willow).

Other than a middle name of Sophie I am STUMPED [CONFUSED]

gnittinggnome Fri 23-Aug-13 15:39:46

shropshire how about Briony? Apparently big in the 18th century, but also commonly poisonous if ingested..... Peony is pretty, and is a very auspicious flower in Chinese culture (just in case she wants to live in China?) but I'd be put off by the assonance between Peony and other pee- words. (sorry!)

Shropshiremummy2bLaFay Fri 23-Aug-13 15:57:55

Thats what DH said......... but I quite like the idea of calling her my little pee pea.

tinypolkadot Fri 23-Aug-13 16:12:19

Peony is on my list too shropshire although it does sound a bit like "pee on me"

Would call her sweatpea.

Loving botanical names, other ones I like include Ash, Violet and Rose. Unfortunately all other ones I like have been taken by family and their dogs!

tinypolkadot Fri 23-Aug-13 16:13:22

sweatpea would be a laugh, but of course I meant sweetpea! grin

rueyrichardson Fri 23-Aug-13 16:56:20

Willa is in our list too Shropshire. Everyone I've mentioned it to thinks its a daft name but I love it.

misskatamari Fri 23-Aug-13 17:37:17

Sweetpea is so cute! I also just nearly spelt it sweatpea too. Willa is lovely too Shropshire.

My god have any of you been reading the "creepiest thing your child has said" thread in chat? I am shitting myself now, it's so freaky!!!

misskatamari Fri 23-Aug-13 18:37:17

Oh my god I want some quality street!!!

littlestgirlguide Fri 23-Aug-13 20:06:24

Well. I seem to have purchased a pushchair :-)
I went for the Maxi Cosi Mura 3 I've had my eye on for a while, as I found a local supplier who had one in stock and went this morning to try it out, then took DH back to try it out, then went back with my car seat and carrycot to see if they fitted (car seat does, carrycot doesn't but mum says she will buy me a new one!) so I occupied the poor mans whole day blush and they even matched on online deal I'd seen so it cost less than £300, which I'm pretty pleased with. It's a mahoosive box though, currently occupying rather too much of my lounge!

Posted in Baby Names but my current favourite names are Nicholas Richard and Imogen Ruth. Traditional here, no Wilberforces or Percys, I will let Shropshire have those! Peony is very pretty too, but I would be worried it wouldn't suit a DD of mine - I am such a tomboy and so is my DD, a pretty girls name like that just wouldn't sit well with her!

It will just be DH and the midwife with me at the birth, like last time. I have no friends I would want there who aren't needed by their own children and who are near enough, and I will need my mum to look after DD. However DH travels daily from one end of the country to the other at very little or no notice with his work, and there's always the worry that he will be 400 miles away when I go into labour unexpectedly, and I end up all alone and he misses the whole thing.... I need to find someone as a back up plan I think!

I would bloody love a box of chocolates right now. Why is it I can get a takeaway delivered but not chocolate? Someone's missing a trick as DH is out and I'm confined to the house as Dd is in bed (not yet asleep though hmm)

Milkandtwo Fri 23-Aug-13 21:12:20

misskatamari I just went to check it thy thread. Aaaargh! Freaky! I'm not going to be able to handle it if future DC comes out with weirdness like some of that! I'm far too woo.

CubanoHabana Fri 23-Aug-13 21:25:59

Aw misskatamari I have some quality street in the cupboard that I just can't stomach. Got given them and box of heros from some kids for running summer school and the smell of the quality street made me feel sick but had no problem with the heros! Weird!

littlest I read that as saying 'I have no friends' Nd was a bit sad but then re-read and was like phew!

Littleen Fri 23-Aug-13 21:27:40

So, just told my older sister (33) that she's going to be an aunt. She has no kids of her own, and is a forever singleton. Her response was "oh.. grats. You know, my friends baby died the day before she was due!"

So now I'm sat here being epic worried about some freak accident happening inside my tum. What a great thing to say -.- gah. My sister's got a personality disorder which makes her talk with her foot in her mouth a lot basically, but I can't help being a little bit frustrated!

Somanychanges Fri 23-Aug-13 21:31:50

What is it about being pregnant and when you see something you just don't feel satisfied until you have it? I have seen an ad with skittles on and all I can think about is skittles. But as I now live in a village, looks like I can't get DH to pop over to the 24hr shop sad

misskatamari Fri 23-Aug-13 21:34:09

Awww Cubano I am so jealous! I'm gonna have to buy some tomorrow (gonna try and resist the big tins as I will eat them all in a matter of days!)

Milkandtwo I know I was crapping myself reading it! Hope I don't have a creepy baby. I need to stop reading spooky threads on here - I kept getting scared when I have to go to the loo in the night (a million times!)

Fab news about the pram littlest! Also fingers crossed DH is nearby when labour does start - I guess at least it's usually quite long from when it first starts isn't it? So even if far away he would hopefully be able to race home and be there for the main event smile

I'm so glad for all the nice reassuring birth stories on this thread - just been reading one about post birth problems and its bloody terrifying (even worse than spooky babies!) definitely need to sign up to my local hypnobirthing class so I'm calm about labour and not worrying about how horrific it could be.

misskatamari Fri 23-Aug-13 21:38:03

Littleen that's so crap of your sister. Things like that are so tragic but are a one in a million chance.

Somany - it's crazy isn't it. I don't have cravings in terms of wanting one thing all the time but I just see something or think about it and WANT IT NOW!!! Or as I tell DH - the baby wants it! He alas doesn't believe me so is usually reluctant to help me in my quest for delicious foods. Although he did bring me all the chocolate in the house to pick from when we didn't have quality street. I settled for eating Nutella with a spoon!

Somanychanges Fri 23-Aug-13 21:41:07

Aw littleen that was not a nice thing to hear. We cannot spend all our pregnancies worried though even though things do go wrong what will be will be. But it is hard not to be worried especially when you get near the end and you just want baby out. It's great though in the later stages as you get to feel baby moving all the time and that is very reassuring.

My liver condition means that babies heart could just suddenly stop beating at any minute. The condition starts to come on at about 5 months. The first pregnancy I was freaking out every time I stopped feeling her moving but by the second I had managed to relax a bit more.

marzipanned Fri 23-Aug-13 21:41:27

Oh littleen I worry about that all the time anyway sad But, yes, not helpful to have someone say it out loud...

missk I saw the title of that post birth problems thread and was like - there is NO way I am going anywhere near that!

Littleen Fri 23-Aug-13 21:46:30

Thanks guys <3 Just wish people around me where a little positive, a close friend of mine is just going on about how much pain I will be in for labour.. I just cba to hear anymore! And no, I will rather read creepy kids stories than post-birth issues :O Although, it is very strange how many things I have found now about children who seems to have had "past" lives. Not sure what to believe actually hmm

Littleen Fri 23-Aug-13 21:55:17

oh god I am so freaked out but can't stop reading...milk float...and the kiddo buried with his sister Mary... waaat

Thisisfreakingmeout Fri 23-Aug-13 22:04:23

I have a bump! It happened over night. I'm half freaked out about it, half fond of the paunch. I was putting off buying mat clothes but I need to man up!

Baking a triple chocolate cake and had to pour water and washing up liquid in the bowl right away to avoid licking every scrap from the bowl. I know it would prob be fine but I also no I am a worrypants so I better not.

Littleen Fri 23-Aug-13 22:20:17

congrats :D how many weeks are you?

Shropshiremummy2bLaFay Fri 23-Aug-13 22:59:52

Re quality streets, the first time I left my dog with someone whilst I went abroad for a weekend I rang her to see how the first night went, she said he's been great but I left him for a couple of hours and he got up on the side and ate a box of quality streets. I was mortified so brought her back lots of duty free toblerone. When I handed it over and said sorry about the quality streets, she said 'he didn't eat any of the chocolates, he just destroyed the box'!

How is this baby going to be a patch on my little chocolate prince?!?!

Milkandtwo Sat 24-Aug-13 06:13:13

Ten past six today - its a lie in!


sunflowered Sat 24-Aug-13 06:50:13

I think it was a bit before 6.10 when my body started to tell me to go to the loo but have managed to fight it off until now - bonus lie in!

Have reserved my nct classes for the 'late feb arrivals' group, but also received a reservation for the 'early days' course 'just in case'. Has anyone else done one of these, and if so, are they worth the time and money?

EeyoreIsh Sat 24-Aug-13 06:55:53

littleen sorry to hear that people haven't been positive, it sucks when people feel the need to add realism, like we're not already very aware of all the risks etc! Try and stay positive, you've got this far and everything is going well.

Going home from holidays today sad but meeting my new nephew on Monday grin grin grin he's super tiny at just over 6lbs, I'll be scared to hold him!

misskatamari Sat 24-Aug-13 07:58:58

Lol Shropshire that made me chuckle about your dog. Mmmmm duty free toblerone. Now I want toblerone!

Slept till half 7 today smile amazing. Hoping to feel well enough to drive over and see my mum today as not been since we found out I was pg as its quite a long motorway drive and DH can't drive yet so I've been worried about getting there and feeling shit and feeling a bit stuck. Plus she lives in a care home so I can't just piss off for a nap if I feel exhausted. Excited about showing the scan pics and might take the Doppler along smile.

I've joined NCT too and heard good things from friends who've done them - mainly as they met loads of people in the same boat who they could meet up with etc.

Ooh I just had an email about the nearly new sales they run too which are apparently amazing.

That's the link. I think anyone can go but if you're a member you can get in early.

vix206 Sat 24-Aug-13 08:27:26

18+4 today and my boobs are so unbelievably sore again. Can't bear to have anything touch them or even brush against them, even the shower feels like torture! They've been fine for weeks so not sure why they suddenly feel so sore, hope they're not growing even bigger!!!

EeyoreIsh Sat 24-Aug-13 08:47:33

Is anyone else struggling to eat a decent sized meal? I get indigestion pain from the smallest meals, it's really frustrating.

My hair has also gone much curlier in the last few weeks, it's gone from loose curls to tight corkscrews!

vix206 Sat 24-Aug-13 08:59:29

Indigestion hasn't really hit me yet.

My hair was poker straight before DS, since I had him it is really wavy. Quite common apparently!

Shropshiremummy2bLaFay Sat 24-Aug-13 09:11:20

Ughhhh that's worse news than bleeding for weeks! I'm a slave to GHDs....

EeyoreIsh Sat 24-Aug-13 09:16:38

I don't mind the hair thing really, as it wasn't consistently curly before. Now it looks properly curly it looks much neater! I may get it cut shorter when I get home so it looks better.

I gave up on the GHDs ages ago, the slightest bit of dampness in the air and my hair frizzes terribly.

laura0007 Sat 24-Aug-13 09:41:35

What??? My lovely straight hair is going to go curly? shock
I love my hair, I like it better than any other part of my body. I may cry. This pregnancy stuff is shite... People who say its the best are bloody liars!!!!!!

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Milkandtwo Sat 24-Aug-13 12:05:22

On a long car journey, literally just said 'I need a wee, don't get much warning when pg from being fine to being desperate' and boom - solid immovable traffic on M4. Awesome.

misskatamari Sat 24-Aug-13 12:17:47

Make sure to be doing pelvic floor exercises milkandtwo - apparently we'll all just be pissing ourselves willy nilly soon enough!

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LovesToBake Sat 24-Aug-13 16:06:34

Champagne if it makes you feel any better (and maybe it's because it's DC2 for me and my pelvic floor is shot) I generally leak a bit when I'm violently sick at the moment. Luckily it often happens when I'm actually sat on the loo (and I grab DS's potty from beside the loo) but it's really not very glamorous is it!

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LovesToBake Sat 24-Aug-13 16:59:16

I don't think it has to be at exactly 20 weeks, it's not like the 12 week scan in that way where they have a precise window to get the nuchal measurement. Mine is at 20+4 I think. How much over is yours Champagne?

Interesting about eggs - in what form? I'm exactly the same about being totally off meat, can't bear the thought/smell/look of it and was exactly the same last time. Although discovered that very crispy bacon somehow passes the test! My latest discovery is M&S cauliflower cheese. Oh wow, I could literally eat it all day. In fact, creamy stuff is definitely my friend at the moment - can't imagine eating anything with more of a tomato based sauce, the idea turns my stomach!

misskatamari Sat 24-Aug-13 17:15:31

Mmmmm bacon! I was loving bacon butties on white baps with ketchup and brown sauce last week!

Glad you had a lovely holiday Champagne. Hope the sickness doesn't return too badly x

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LovesToBake Sat 24-Aug-13 17:29:29

Champagne definitely sounds like baby brain - blame it for everything! Funnily enough on the veggie note, we went to Giraffe last weekend with DS and I absolutely wolfed down the veggie version of their huevos rancheros - tortilla covered with scrambled egg, portabello mushrooms, cheese, salsa, guacamole, avocado etc. Food of the gods! My list of foods I can eat and even on some occasions really enjoy is definitely growing, really hope it stays that way. Oh, and so far this week I've only been sick twice!


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Littleen Sat 24-Aug-13 17:57:48

My sickness has drastically improved, it's only really in the morning now! waves flag however I have gone completely off food. Not sure if it's the transition to different country - food here is much more limited than what you find in England, and I am reaaally bored of it. Can't afford to buy half the things I like to eat, and for some reason, I am totally put off chicken, which is normally one of my staple items for protein. Have lost 4 pounds in the last 6 weeks, despite not actually vomiting much! but not overly worried - I have so much to spare that I don't think it'll matter :P Food just sucks right now. Also really want to get out of my face drunk, which I very rarely do anyway, but I guess it's part of the "always want what you can't have" issue!

Anyone else got due date on 27th Feb?

vix206 Sat 24-Aug-13 18:02:31

I was told the anomaly scan needs to be between 18 and 21 weeks ideally. smile

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vix206 Sat 24-Aug-13 18:13:42

With the pelvic floor thing....,

I realised my muscles were ruined when I joined DS on a trampoline for the first time. Such a weird, horrible sensation!!!!

LovesToBake Sat 24-Aug-13 18:13:54

Champagne, I'm the same, really don't like being pregnant. In fact this has basically made our decision for us about stopping at 2 DCs. Had always vaguely thought we might aim for 3, but as this pregnancy is proving just as tough as the last one with the sickness and generally feeling rubbish (and this time with an early-rising and demanding toddler in tow!), we've decided we'll be delighted with our little family of 4 and I'm excited about never having to be pregnant again, getting my shape back in due course and being able to enjoy food and wine again. It's weird as I'm not a big drinker at all usually, but I do really enjoy the odd good glass of white with a meal and I'm already counting down to being able to do that again come Feb! Not because I don't agree with the odd drink when pregnant, just because the very idea turns my stomach and I know it will stay that way right through until the day I give birth just like last time!

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LovesToBake Sat 24-Aug-13 19:01:35

I'm exactly the same - hopefully it makes you feel better to know that literally the day I gave birth, my enjoyment of all food came back. About an hour before my water's broke (after which it was labour on high-speed as DS arrived 3 hrs later!) I was in Tesco buying the fixings for an Asian steak salad recipe that I suddenly really fancied. This was unheard of as I'd been off meat and interesting flavours through the whole pregnancy. So this time round if I suddenly find myself with urges like that, I might just stay home and not risk my waters breaking in the supermarket!

misskatamari Sat 24-Aug-13 19:16:43

I know what you mean champagne - we want ours close together hopefully but the thought of feeling like I have done again any time soon is just horrible. Although part of me thinks "just get it all over with quickly!"

misskatamari Sat 24-Aug-13 19:18:20

Oh my god I bought quality street today and at some (I think I stupidly/greedily decided to "remind myself" what each one tastes like) and I spent the afternoon feeling soooooo sick! When will I learn! DH is under strict instructions (again!) to never let me buy them!!!

jazzcat28 Sat 24-Aug-13 19:19:24

Really feeling for you ladies who are still off certain food - fingers crossed you are able to get more variety in the next couple of months! Personally I'm sat waiting for my curry to be delivered..

My mother and grandmother are going bonkers with buying stuff. I know I should be grateful but really it's getting ridiculous. Starting to wonder whether I should just not buy anything other than nursery furniture as at this rate it will all be bought!

If anyone's interested, Mamas & Papas online have 30% off their baby clothes over the BH weekend (might have indulged in a few cute items).

Emotions still all over the place. This evening managed to yell at DH for no particular reason so now he's in a grump and I'm sat on here.

I have made a little progress with my dissertation today so that's a bonus.


Littleen Sat 24-Aug-13 20:15:36

Good job working on your dissertation, jazzcat - what are you writing about?

I am just cursing myself for moving right now - I thought it'd be easier to be pregnant here, but godness me, it isn't. A lot less health checks than UK, and there's no antenatal classes of any sort in this part of the country. No pregnancy yoga or anything whatsoever within an hour from home. This sucks, I was really hoping to get to know some other pregnant girls, but nope, nothing at all!

Littleen Sat 24-Aug-13 20:29:57

and all the ladies on my other forum here are saying you "have" to spend £800-1200 on a pushchair/pram to get something good enough. wth! O.o I have 300 to spend!

LovesToBake Sat 24-Aug-13 20:32:51

That sounds really tough Littleen. Did you say what country you've moved to before? My mind is like a sieve at the moment. Did you move over there for work or for your DH's work or similar? Is there much sign of new baby groups maybe, so you can get going with meeting new mums once the little one has arrived?

EeyoreIsh Sat 24-Aug-13 20:52:08

littleen, I'm in a big town in the south east of England and there is no pregnancy yoga, pilates or aqua classes. It is really poor.

I'm also trying to find a pushchair for very few £££. It's tricky.

Milkandtwo Sat 24-Aug-13 21:17:31

Bed. Nutella. Spoon.

That is all.

Milkandtwo Sat 24-Aug-13 21:19:31

Eeyorish and litleen - that sucks but I smell a gap in the market if you're feeling entrepreneurial!*


laura0007 Sat 24-Aug-13 21:27:56

Ooh milk that sounds scrummy! Think ill do the same grin

Milkandtwo Sat 24-Aug-13 21:33:15

It's the best. I can't believe I used to dilute its goodness with bread. So unnecessary. And I can eat it in bed with no crumbs too. After 6 hours in the car today I'm now in heaven!

Littleen Sat 24-Aug-13 22:21:52

LovestoBake we just moved to Norway where I am from! Seems I have climatized so well after 5 years in England though, that it's incredibly hard to move back to a rural island in the middle of the North Sea! ><

MilkandTwo I'm a newly qualified interior designer, and have no clue about babies :P Don't think it's for me to start up anything

EeyeoreIsh perhaps strange, but nice to know it's not just here then! I have lived withi

Littleen Sat 24-Aug-13 22:26:14

ahh keyboard broke (again) - think I have some massive virus problem since downloading a film a few weeks ago!

was going to say that I have lived within 1,5 hours of London for a while, and got used to having everything available at my doorstep! Spoilt ftw! :P Is there nothing in a nearby city you can go to?

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Milkandtwo Sun 25-Aug-13 07:57:04

Oh no champagne - that sounds nasty and annoying... sad Got no advice but am making sympathetic soothing noises at you instead.

gnittinggnome Sun 25-Aug-13 09:03:37

champagne Is it possible to swallow honey without violent repercussions? It'll help bring up the phlegm in as gentle a way as possible. Or if at all possible warm water, lemon juice and honey? (I've heard lemon juice in water is good for morning sickness, but it may not even touch the sides of HG...) Hope you had a good night's sleep!

Littleen Sun 25-Aug-13 09:29:28

Hope you feel better asap Champagne! that sounds awful!
Anyone tried the maternity range at Asos? I wish I could get a nice dress or something for my graduation, but it's still three months away and I have no idea how my belly will look at 6 months preggers :P

gnittinggnome Sun 25-Aug-13 09:39:12

I've just been on AIBU defending my use of the phrase "if it's healthy I will be happy" in response to the inevitable "do you want a boy or a girl" question. Healthy, and ideally good natured are at the top of my wish list. I mentioned this to DH, who added another possibility "...or Thor."

Milkandtwo Sun 25-Aug-13 09:54:47

I get really annoyed by the boy or girl question. I know what type of child I would love but personality traits or passions for certain activities aren't remotely gender specific. Boys aren't always boisterous football lovers blah blah. Ugh.

jazzcat28 Sun 25-Aug-13 10:02:10

littleen my dissertation is about employee motivation. Started off interesting but I'm now just trying to get it done.

Any of you with DC already - please explain to me what I need in terms of clothing. I understand I need some sleep suits, some all in ones for daytime, cardigans and a jacket. What does one do with vests, those baby grows with a t-shit style top? Do they go under all in ones? If so, does it matter if it's a vest or the t-shirt style ones? (with poppers under nappy) Also sleeping bags - will one or two suffice or will I need more?!

Ta muchly in advance

jazzcat28 Sun 25-Aug-13 10:03:34

Oops, obvs t-shirt not t-shit

misskatamari Sun 25-Aug-13 10:12:36

Littleen I've had some Asos maternity stuff. Really like them and I think they do have some nice dresses. The things I've got are pretty roomy in the bump area!

Jazzcat - good Q as I am totally clueless too about what/how much I'll need. What's a sleep suit? It's it a babygrow/onesie thing?

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laura0007 Sun 25-Aug-13 10:25:13

Jazzcat good question... I'm not sure what I need either!

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Somanychanges Sun 25-Aug-13 10:35:05

Jazzcat yes the vests with poppers at bottom are for under the baby grow all in ones. Since we will be having babies in winter you may want to look at the vests with long sleeves I think most of my DD and DS were to begin with as they were both winter babies too. This just gives them a bit more layers and warmth encase their little arms escape being swaddled (if you are swaddling). I love swaddling and so did my babies so will be doing that again.

You will probably want one if those all in one snow suit thingy's as it will be too cold for just a coat I guess.

With regards to the sleep bag you wouldn't use that when they are really tiny new norms as swaddling and a blanket over top is usually best. But those sleeping bags come in really handy when they start getting more active and kick the covers off. I can't remember exactly but I think I used them from 6 months they were amazing and yes I had a spare as leaky nappies or puking milk often meant it needed to be washed a lot.

I think my baby is having a party this morning I have been feeling it flutter around for the past 30mins. marzipanned I think it was you that shared your concern with not feeling it move yet. Just for reassurance I did not feel my first until 20 weeks so please don't worry. Even the feelings of movement I am having now I think if I hadn't had children before I wouldn't realise it was baby, it is gentle fluttering not big movements.

I may have lost count since the Sonographer changed my dates but I think I am 14+4

Ooh and chapagne welcome back! Sorry you are still sick I am still on that boat with you, hoping to get off sooner rather than later.

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littlestgirlguide Sun 25-Aug-13 10:37:27

Re clothes, just buy the basics in newborn size:
Half a dozen all in one sleepsuits, and vests, a couple of hats and scratch mitts, a couple of cardigans and a snowsuit thing. You will get given piles of newborn and 0-3 stuff, and no matter what anyone tells you, you will want to buy some gender specific stuff once baby arrives, even it's only in the supermarket. If the birth goes well, you will be up and about within a couple of days. DD was born on Saturday, I was in hospital till Wednesday, and on Thursday we ran out of food so I went to Tesco's and spent an hour buying bread and milk and being congratulated by strangers.
Yes, little outfits are a faff, not as comfy for the baby and more work in washing, ironing blah blah blah but I am prepared to put money on every single one of us succumbing to at least a couple of teeny tiny outfits :-)
I bought loads of plain white cotton sleepsuits, and tie-dyed them in lovely bright colours. But then I'm just odd.
jazzcat vests go under their sleepsuits. It doesn't matter whether they are sleeveless or short or even long sleeves, choose according to the weather. Dress them in layers: vest, sleepsuits, cardigan, snowsuit or coat/blanket. You can always take a layer off or add another. I love baby clothes:-) my husband used to refer to the row of lovely sleepsuits hanging on the washing line by their toes as 'baby skins'.

rueyrichardson Sun 25-Aug-13 10:40:07

Sorry you are still feeling rough Champagne.
Another vote for ASOS from me too, tops came up rather large I would say. Nice stretchy comfy dresses and not too expensive.
In terms of newborn stuff, I found that I was given LOADS of outfits so I only really needed essentials - sleep suits (onesies/babygrows) - allow at least two per day until you want to stick washing machine on. Vests - our babies will be winter dudes so these will be essential - up to you whether you get the sleeveless/shortsleeved/long sleeved ones - same number as babygrows. I'll be digging out socks, couple of hats, cardigans x2, scratch mittens, a snowsuit too. I got everything in white to begin with so that you can whack everything in the machine on a hot wash after nappy explosions. Layering is the key, so you can control body temp. We didn't use sleeping bags til DS1 was 3 mo. Can't wait til 20 weeks so I can see what we have left over and what I need to shop for! This time round I am going to invest in a bednest or similar - easy access for the dreaded night feeds that are such a killer when they are feeding every 2.5 hours! Also some box sets of DVDs to while away the hours in the early days.

vix206 Sun 25-Aug-13 10:44:45

I know it's not clothing as such but I'd also advise on buying some muslins. I used these for everything and even though DS wasn't a sicky baby they came in very handy. Great for covering up when feeding and make great newborn swaddled too.

Also scratch mitts if these haven't already been mentioned.

I made the mistake of buying loads of newborn size and then DS was big and only in them for 2-3 weeks! So don't go too mad until they've arrived and you know how big they are smile

Somanychanges Sun 25-Aug-13 10:47:13

For me personally the sex does make a difference. My son is on the autistic spectrum and if I was to have another boy it would be more likely he would be too rather than if I had a girl.

So for me although I love my son to pieces, I really am hoping for a girl. Not that a girl cannot be autistic too but it's less likely. But if it is a boy then that will be fine and we will get on with it. But I must say most little boys I do know are pretty disgusting all talk of bums and pooh. My little girl just thinks boys are from another planet lol!

My DD is not a princesses type of girl though she will not be seen dead in a dress. sad she has a very individual character and will not follow any crazes of fashions that go on at school. I am glad she is like that it does make her a bit of the odd one out at times but she has her own mind and it can't be swayed.

jazzcat28 Sun 25-Aug-13 10:48:03

Thanks all, bit clueless as first DC for me. Also we are a 'team yellow' so trying to buy essentials in neutral/white to see us through the first week before we start to buy pink or blue. I know I'll get lots of gifts but want to be able to dress it at home without too many washing machine loads per wk.

Sounds like I need to get a few more all in ones and vests and then a snow suit, although there should be more of these in the shops in a couple of months (plus presume Christmas sales)

Haven't got any outfits as such but the baby grows, vests and hats I have bought all go with each other if you see what I mean. Will have to buy an outfit once I know what we've got though!

Somanychanges Sun 25-Aug-13 10:50:15

Yes vix muslins were a life saver I would second that. My fist Had reflux and the amount of times she was sick I could not have gone anywhere without those.

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misskatamari Sun 25-Aug-13 11:06:18

Shit - I've just actually read the NHS booklet on healthy eating they gave me and it says no ready prepared salads and no houmous! I've had the odd salad but I eat loads of houmous! That isn't on the bloody NHS website I checked!

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Somanychanges Sun 25-Aug-13 11:09:26

I remember when I was pregnant with my DS. I saw this adorable soft cotton baby blue little number in gap. I couldn't get over how soft and lovey it was and it had a little hat to match. It cost close to £40 and I couldn't resist and caved in and bought it.

The next month (January) I saw it reduced for less than half the original price, I did feel rather stupid for spending all that instead of waiting for January sales. Plus when I went to H&M after buying that outfit I spent about the same amount but ended up with about 7 outfits for that price.

£40 might of course be nothing for some to spend on a baby outfit, but it is a lot for us. I had to hide the tags from my husband for that one as he would have made me return it.

So the point of the story is, I will be waiting for sales this time.

Somanychanges Sun 25-Aug-13 11:13:40

What? Why hummus? I have recently had cravings for salad and my friend brought me round lots of tomatoes and cucumber etc and I ate them all with Hummus oops! I can't see why chick peas would do any harm and what else is in there? Lemon? Garlic?

vix206 Sun 25-Aug-13 11:18:53

I eat hummus daily and did so with DS. I wouldn't worry smile

Littleen Sun 25-Aug-13 11:19:46

I will be doing looots of baby shopping when I go to England for my graduation in November! Can't wait <3 Will be cheaper than the sales over in super expensive Norway land anyway!

misskatamari Sun 25-Aug-13 11:24:30

I know! I eat bloody loads of the stuff (alas with kettle chips at the moment not carrot sticks etc). Just seems ridiculous! Are we allowed packaged sandwiches then if not salads? I've really only been listening to the food advice which makes sense - e.g pate because of the vitamin A, unpasteurised stuff due to listeria, sea food blah blah. It also says to avoid deli counter meats - I guess it's due to hygiene etc.

Guess I was right to sneakily put back the piece of Victoria sponge I asked for in morrisons the other day after the counter girl,who had just been on the shop floor, came and put it in the box with her bare hands. I should have said something but was so shocked (and just wandered away with mental images of her probably scratching her arse a few mins before until I found a shelf to leave it on!)

Awwww all the baby clothes talk is making me want to buy something! Still not got anything yet! Only 3 weeks until 20 week scan tho so will know soon - plus the baby and toddler show is soon after that so I can no doubt indulge myself then!

In terms of swaddling - what exactly do you do? Do you just wrap the baby up and leave it wrapped up? Lol sorry that sounds really thick! Hopefully you guys know what I mean!

sunflowered Sun 25-Aug-13 11:26:12

If hummus is off the menu then this baby is screwed. If I was buying it from a lady with dirty hands from a street stall in a dusty town in the middle east I might worry a bit, but maybe not so much the stuff from tesco. Though the dusty unchilled version would probably taste amazing.

I'm not in maternity clothes yet champagne. I thought I had the start of a bump (14+1) but sonographer was very clear that it's still quite low down so it's maybe just wishful thinking. I'm off on holiday next Friday so I'm really hoping it doesn't pop out while I'm away so that none of my clothes fit...

jazzcat28 Sun 25-Aug-13 11:29:30

somany I used to work in GAP whilst at uni. They have a 6-8 week stock turnaround, so pretty much if you wait that long and stalk your items you will be able to get it reduced. I know for a fact they have their sale about 2 weeks before Christmas as everyone used to moan about having to work late to mark it all down during peak party season. So I will be holding off for the bigger clothing purchases (like a snowsuit) until December. I seem to remember last year the other big shops like John Lewis, Debenhams etc also had their sales a week or two before the end of December.

Until then I shall just buy the odd thing here and there or so I keep telling DH

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EeyoreIsh Sun 25-Aug-13 11:40:27

No hummus, that's ridiculous, I've been munching away on it! I'm not giving that up. I might have had a slightly juicy steak on holiday too, it was great grin

got back from holiday last night and on a massive 'getting rid of the bed bugs' mission this morning. I had to bin my handbag and tote bag sad it's a right faff.

champagne, I'm still in normal clothes, I'm wearing my normal skinny jeans now. They get tight as the day goes on, but my bump could easily be normal podge.

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CubanoHabana Sun 25-Aug-13 11:48:40

I eat loads of hummus! Not seen any info saying not to eat it?

I think with the pre packaged salads, they are fine to eat, as long as you wash them?

misskatamari Sun 25-Aug-13 11:53:00

Good - I am ignoring the stupid houmous advice then!

Eeek eeyore - bed bugs don't sound nice - good luck!

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Littleen Sun 25-Aug-13 12:26:31

I still eat bagged salad - just make sure to wash it and really it should be fine. Would not recommend eating lots of salad on holiday though - I ended up with salmonella from eating tons of greek salad in greece. Not pleasant, but luckily the then 1 week old baby was fine!

Employment Motivation - how long is it now? smile I just finished my dissertation of 20 000 words in May. Was so much fun in the start, but was really bored out of my mind with it at the end - keep in mind that it takes much longer than anticipated to arrange it all, and check and double check fonts etc with the uni you study at!

Not in maternity clothes yet - I think my extra weight is making it look like I am just very bloated. My tummy looks slightly rounder/less flabby, but there's no sign of pregnancy bump. My jeans are a bit tight, so only wear them when out - at home it's pjs or elastic waist stuff :P

littlestgirlguide Sun 25-Aug-13 12:41:58

All the third timers on here, I know we have discussed this before but when did you fell movement second time round? I'm 15+5 and nothing yet that is definitely baby (rather than wind) I felt my first move at 18 weeks, and I was expecting this one To be a bit earlier.

Somanychanges Sun 25-Aug-13 14:06:25

littlest I think around 14/15/16 weeks but that's a guess I know the first was definitely 20wks as I wrote everything down. Second time around I was too busy being sick and chasing after my toddler.

Now at 14 wks third time around I am just starting to feel definite flutters but usually when I am lying still in bed in the morning. When I am active in the day I don't notice anything.

jazzcat thanks I will be stalking my favourite items at gap come December.

Milkandtwo Sun 25-Aug-13 14:14:01

First timer, 16+2, big bump (the relaxin has really got to work on my intestines, I think they must have doubled in surface area alone!) and no movement felt yet...

Bearfrills Sun 25-Aug-13 14:26:57

With DS it was 20wks before I felt anything, with DD it was around 16-18wks (can't remember exactly). This time around I'm 14+3 and I'm feeling definite flutters, the first was the day of my scan when I was 12+2. It's not every day and its not all day but is definitely baby.

I had anterior placenta with DS and DD so that likely contributed to feeling movement a bit later, it makes me wonder if I finally have a posterior placenta this time.

Bearfrills Sun 25-Aug-13 14:51:37

All I'm avoiding is undercooked neat, liver and liver products, and all the other 'headline' stuff from the NHS website.

I don't like hummus so that's not an issue for me but I have bagged sala and just wash it first. I also have runny eggs and I licked the mixing bowl after making DS birthday cake <rebel> Supermarket eggs are usually very, very low risk as supermarket chickens are vaccinated against salmonella. So fried egg sandwich with a runny yolk is a go in the Frills household. Probably eggs from the allotment would be a different matter and if I was using eggs from my parents' duck I wouldn't have them runny.

My current number one craving is mushy peas drowning in vinegar blush and pistachio nuts. Not together though.

vix206 Sun 25-Aug-13 15:12:52

Well I'm negligent then! I certainly don't re-wash bagged salad, have been enjoying my usual runny eggs and I'm not worried in the slightest wink

With regards to movement - with 1st pregnancy it was 16 weeks and this one I felt first stirrings at 12 weeks. Amazingly early, especially as I have a bit more padding than I did first time round!

EeyoreIsh Sun 25-Aug-13 15:29:13

I'm really quite relaxed on the food front, probably because I've never had food poisoning... And because I've hardly eaten anything this pregnancy so it's not like I'm eating a steak everyday, sadly grin

we picked the bed bugs up on holiday angry it was a lovely 5* highly rated hotel that we had treated ourselves to. Two days in DH starts to come up in bites. He had over 150, and started to react nastily to them so we had to go to emergency docs to get oral steroids. Good thing I have enough French to cope, although I did learn some new words! We've having to boil wash all our clothes and bin quite a few things. The hotel room was teeming with the buggers. angry angry angry it's nice to be home again, and I did get to treat myself to a lovely new handbag grin

misskatamari Sun 25-Aug-13 15:55:01

Eeyore that sounds so horrible! Your poor DH! I hope you have done some serious complaining to the hotel.

Oooooh I want mushy peas now!

misskatamari Sun 25-Aug-13 17:13:16

Just been speaking to my friend who's on baby number 2 and she's told me about this steriliser they have (which is great apparently) and it on offer for about half price on amazon.

Thought some of you might be interested too smile


Cooking chilli for tea as DH's temporary crown has come off so need softish foods - praying i dont have the same reaction to the mince which I had last time I spent ages slaving over a meal containing it!

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Littleen Sun 25-Aug-13 18:09:33

a good 60 degree wash gets rid of bed bugs, EeyeoreIsh - have had that issue loads of times - the bites take months to heal as well!
Luckily I have only ever had them in bed, never on handbags or anything. Although I think that with stuff you can't clean, you can just freeze them for a day to get rid of the nasties ;) put them in a plastic bag and in the freezer.

Good luck with the chilli, misskatamari!

Thisisfreakingmeout Sun 25-Aug-13 18:20:33

Making a roast and making a "must have" vs "just want" list to sort out my whizzy brain and give the future grandparents some ideas ( they have asked, I'm not just demanding!)

Ah, bed bugs! Poor you. My parents had the same experience once. You can decontaminate, it sounds like you are getting through it!

misskatamari Sun 25-Aug-13 19:15:14

Thanks littleen - it was a success luckily!

Good idea thisisfreaking - I need to do something similar (so much still to discover that I'm sure ill struggle tho!)

What are you guys planning of letting baby sleep in at first? Most people seem to do Moses basket is that right? How long does baby stay in one? Or you can get a crib is that right? What's the main difference? Gosh I really do know bloody nothing!!!

vix206 Sun 25-Aug-13 19:31:34

DS outgrew Moses basket at 3-4 months I think. Then we moved the cot into our room and for a few nights he slept in Moses basket inside cot (helps to get them used to the cot bars) then in the cot.

But during the course of most nights I ended up with him in our bed as we would both fall asleep during night feeds!

littlestgirlguide Sun 25-Aug-13 19:46:36

DD slept in a Moses basket in our room at first. She was over 9lb at birth though so didnt fit in it long, I moved her into her cot in her own room at 10 weeks when she had dropped the 4am feed and she was absolutely fine, slept through 7pm-dream feed at 11pm-7am. I know I will probably get slammed for not sharing a room for 6 months, and for dream feeding too which is probably on the banned list as well, but hey it worked for us! We also used to sterilise and make up a whole days bottles (water only) in the morning and just add powder and heat when needed... I must be a terrible mother! I had a simple avent microwave steriliser like this: http://m.tesco.com/mt/www.tesco.com/direct/avent-natural-microwave-steriliser/267-0007.prd?pageLevel=&skuId=267-0007&kpid=267-0007
Which was fab, nothing in it to break and just bung in the dishwasher to clean it. Will be reusing it, but apparantly I've got to buy new bottles as well? Was planning on replacing the trays but any ideas why the bottles wouldn't still be ok?

littlestgirlguide Sun 25-Aug-13 19:49:41

Replacing the teats I mean!

Bearfrills Sun 25-Aug-13 19:54:07

We had a Moses basket on a stand on the living room for sleeping in during the day and for bedtime. We used to put baby down in the basket at bedtime but still in the living room, then when we went up to bed at 11ish we used to take the basket into our bedroom with us and put it in the cot so baby was sleeping inside the basket, inside the cot. It seemed a bit cosier than a little newborn in a big cotbed and was easier for blankets/sheets as they could be tucked more securely. DS outgrew his at around 4 months old. DD was quite dainty, hated the big cot and also didn't learn to sit up by herself until almost 7mo so she didn't outgrow hers until then. They were both a little bit jaundiced a few days after birth and the MW used to get me to move the stand/basket so they were lying in front of the window for the sunlight, baskets are handy for that sort of thing grin

I'm looking forward to finding out what's in there as DH won't discuss names until we know. I got the baby clothes out today so I can see what I have that's boy/girl and what I have that's neutral. I have a huge suitcase of boys baby clothes including a beautiful little snowsuit with puppy ears on the front, it's a soft fabric almost like that minky material I kept hugging it and so warm. As for girls things, I have one bag and only as far as 6-9 months because DD is still in a lot of her 9-12 month clothes. So if its a boy I'm sorted, if its a girl then I need to feed DD more cake!

Bearfrills Sun 25-Aug-13 19:56:50

I'm a fellow dream feeder littlest grin

A feed and then into the Moses basket at 7pm (ish), dream feed around 11pm as I headed to bed, and then straight through to at least 7am. Both of mine were lazy little lumps though and often didn't want the dream feed, DD especially was good at having a sleepy "leave me alone" growl.

vix206 Sun 25-Aug-13 20:07:56

Since when has dream feeding been bad? shock I thought it was just common sense.

Oh I do hope my next baby is a better sleeper, DS was up every hour and a half for a feed and continued like that until 7 months when we resorted to leaving him to cry. (I hasten to add he only cried for 30 mins and wasn't distressed, just annoyed that nobody was coming to feed him!!)

littlestgirlguide Sun 25-Aug-13 20:19:12

I mentioned dream feeding elsewhere on here a few months back and got shot down in flames! Something about force feeding, choking risk, and not winding properly?

marzipanned Sun 25-Aug-13 20:19:48

somany yes it was me worrying about movement - thanks for the reassurance.

champagne I'm not in maternity clothes either! My 'bump' only exists when I've eaten a massive meal, so I just look a bit fat in my t-shirts.

Thanks for the sleeping advice - I wasn't sure whether to get a sleeping bag but will just get swaddling muslin and blanket (I guess the blankets with holes in them are best - not sure of the proper name?)

I'm planning to get something like this for sleeping at first: www.nctshop.co.uk/Arms-Reach-Universal-Co-Sleeper-Bedside-Cot/productinfo/4367/

Hoping I can find one second hand but if not I don't mind splurging a bit as I figure bub is going to be spending a lot of time there.

Am also definitely eating hummus - chickpeas, olive oil, tahini, garlic - what could possibly be dangerous in there?!!!

vix206 Sun 25-Aug-13 20:29:10

Marzipanned - the waffly type blankets with holes in have always been known to me as cellular blankets.

vix206 Sun 25-Aug-13 20:30:13

Oh littlest that's just silly isn't it? There are some argumentative people on mumsnet though, when you stray off the antenatal boards!! wink

marzipanned Sun 25-Aug-13 20:39:41

Yep that's what I'm thinking of vix!

laura0007 Sun 25-Aug-13 20:43:15

My baby will be in a Moses basket until its too big then in its own cot in its own room. There's no room for a cot in my stupid L shaped bedroom!
I'm going on holiday to Mallorca tomorrow, I'm presuming I need to take my pregnancy notes. Will they be ok in my suitcase or do they need to be in my hand luggage?

misskatamari Sun 25-Aug-13 21:07:21

Awww marzipanned that bedcot looks lovely! How long would a baby stay in that for any idea?

And what is dream feeding? It sounds like it would be lovely from the name smile

Gosh I really need to get my head round what kinds stuff I need and general prices etc as its the baby and toddler show soon so if I have more of clue I might be able to get some bargains (and not just become overwhelmed/buy loads of shite I don't need!)

Somanychanges Sun 25-Aug-13 21:10:43

You can get these really lovely swaddling blankets I cannot remember the name but I got one for a friend a couple of years ago. She said it was the best thing ever. They had them in baby blue, baby pink and cream. They were oh so soft and had some give in them like a little bit stretchy. I really want one they were not around when I had my two I don't think but am going to get one this time.

I was given a really beautiful Moses basket second hand from a friend last month so I will use that. I had been planning on getting one of those white wooden swinging cribs but now I have the Moses basket I will make do, it is lovely and I would rather not spend money I don't have to.

Then I have still got the cot from my two DC I am going to re-use that but I have heard it is not good to re-use mattress so I may buy a new one.

marzipanned Sun 25-Aug-13 21:17:59

missk according to the reviews on MN you can only use it in the co sleeping position until baby can sit up but you can reconfigure it in the crib (low mattress) position and it's good until baby outgrows it (one MN-er had her LO in there til 18 months)

It folds up so can be a travel cot too - I think if it does all as promised it'll be well worth the expense.

Just got back from a lovely weekend camping and there is sooo much to catch up on!

Ds went in to his cotbed (at the foot of my bed) at 3 days as his carry-cot was annoying me blush. I tried dream feeding him but it never made any difference to how long he slept for. His night feeds gradually reduced like textbook and he was sleeping through the night by 21 weeks. I have to admit I turfed him out of our bedroom at 17 weeks though as we were disturbing each other. He still doesn't like sharing a room with me now....

Dh missed ds's birth (my fault!) and my bff became my emergency birthing partner (she was 6 months pg with her first at the time!). She was amazing as she is just so practical (getting towels, finding babies stuff, putting on the central heating etc...). I went in to myself and didn't want anyone bothering me so actually quite pleased in a way that dh wasn't there (he wouldn't know where to find nappies or how to work our boiler!). This time, we are planning on dh being in the house but leaving me to it with the mw's. My bff might come again but she has 2 of her own children to take care of now so this might not be feasible!). I really do NOT want dh to see me birthing.

Somanychanges Sun 25-Aug-13 21:30:03

missk dream feeding is where you lift the baby without waking them in the night and give them a feed. So I guess the idea is that they get used to the continuous sleep and eventually they don't need that feed and keep on sleeping. I think that's it anyway.

I had my two in with me in a Moses basket until 6 months then they went in a cot in their own room. My DD when I got her home and she was over the prem too tired too feed phase, used to wake up hourly for a feed. She would have a nappy change, feed for an hour, have to be winded forever, sleep for an hour then it would start all over again. It was so exhausting I remember a lot of tears at night time when I could barely keep my eyes awake to feed her.

I was always envious of those who could breast feed lying down and just fall asleep whilst feeding. Because my DD had reflux I couldn't lie her down and feed or put her down soon after feeding or she would be sick. A lot of the time she would end up sleeping on my front and I would have to sleep like that propped up by pillows.

But by 6 months both my two went in their own room and slept 12 hours a night. I had been slowly reducing night feeds. I know loads of people don't agree with it but I left mine to cry for a few nights and just settled them without feeding. It only took a few nights and they slept through every night after that it was bliss.

Bearfrills Sun 25-Aug-13 21:31:44

Dream feeding is lifting the baby just before you go to bed yourself and giving them a little feed, but doing it very gently and quietly so as not to fully wake him/her. I don't get how it's a choking hazard?! I used to wind both of mine before putting them back down and at that age they always fell asleep when feeding anyway so how would it be different from them fall-sleep-feeding in mid-afternoon?

I saw the consultant on Friday morning. She went through my previous notes with me, said there's no reason why I couldn't try for a VBAC if I want to or I can have a section if I prefer. She went over all the risks and said they watch for signs of rupture (which is my big worry) and in her entire career she's only seen one but they spotted warning signs and the lady was actually prepped and in theatre when it went so it was just a case of whipping the baby out. If I do have a VBAC I've to go to hospital as soon as I realise I'm in labour and I'll be prepped as if I'm having a section (to save time in case of an emergency) but will then just labour/delivery normally (hopefully), the only thing is that I have to have the monitoring belts on throughout. I've got until 36 weeks to decide and they'll scan me then too to check size/position, etc. If I notice any leaking I have to go straight there (DD had barely any amniotic fluid), ditto reduced movements or discomfort, and if my MW is ever in two minds about referring me to the consultant over any issue (like last time) I have to insist on being referred.

Littleen Sun 25-Aug-13 21:45:33

Hmm... I thought I'd just feed the baby whenever it cries for food? I mean, what if it just sleeps through the night without wanting food, is that bad?

Bearfrills Sun 25-Aug-13 21:57:04

I demand fed during the day but the dream feed was pre-emptive. For the first few weeks I waited until they woke for it before taking myself off to bed then by week 2-3 I knew they'd wake sometime between 11pm and midnight so used to pre-empt it by lifting them at 11pm. By 6wks they both refused the dream feed so we stopped it.

LovesToBake Sun 25-Aug-13 22:09:43

Dream feeding didn't work for us mainly because DS uses to pee like a racehorse and so every night waking for a feed meant a full outfit/bedding change as more often than not he had peed through his nappy (and we tried every brand under the sun, finally resorting to putting two nappies on!) So when we tried a dream feed, it just meant he was guaranteed to wake up soaking wet at the next wake up. I just demand fed him and the gaps gradually increased. By 7 months he was still waking once around 3am for a feed so we had to help him break the habit (and yes we did controlled crying, I know some people think it's a terrible crime but it worked a charm for us all).

Oh and he was in the Moses basket next to my side of the bed until 3 months then into a cotbed in his room. With hindsight, he had probably outgrown the basket by about 8 weeks and we all slept so much better once he was in his own room so will consider shifting earlier next time.

Somanychanges Sun 25-Aug-13 22:38:37

lirtleen in the beginning if they don't wake then you should wake them they should not be going longer than 3 hours without a feed. But most if breast fed will feed more regularly than that. I fed on demand and my babies fed a lot, greedy little munchkins.

Milkandtwo Mon 26-Aug-13 00:35:56

Marzipanned - you know NCT hire out the bednest, right? it's something like £109 for six months and that includes a brand new mattress and sides (so its only the woodm bit that's 'second hand', nothing absorbent)
It's what we're doing after it was highly recommended by several friends.

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homebyninethirty Mon 26-Aug-13 05:55:25

somanychanges - is that the miracle blanket? We've got one of those after loads of recommendations from friends...apparently, they're brilliant for swaddling.

We've got a moses basket (couldn't resist, too cute) and also a hammock -


Is anyone else planning to use/used a hammock?

vix206 Mon 26-Aug-13 06:55:22

I tried a few of the specialist swaddle blankets but we found the old fashioned way best once we had the technique perfected.

My problem was the transition from swaddling to gro-bag. DS loved being swaddled and flailed his arms and legs around like a maniac, waking himself up, when he wasn't swaddled. confused

Somanychanges Mon 26-Aug-13 08:37:04

homebynine no it was actually just like a normal blanket it had no fancy bits just the normal square shape but its called a swaddle something? I will have to ask my friend as I have no idea. I bought it in a little baby shop in Chiswick.

Morning all, I am hoping to have a good day today. We have friends coming over so will probably go on an adventure with the children at Boxhill. So I really cannot be doing with any sickness.

Hope you all have a good day.


Timpani Mon 26-Aug-13 09:13:13

Hi all!

17 weeks now! Eek! I'm definitely feeling movement!

For DS I used a Moses basket til 4 months as he was tiny and the he went into his cot in his room... I say that but he actually woke so often that he didn't stay in it all night and we co-slept til he was nearly 1 I think. He only started sleeping through at 14 months maybe! As a tiny one he would wake every 2-3 hours and that went on for months and months. I tried dream feeding but he would often wake when I did it or at normal time too. He never really followed a pattern for ages.

We tried swaddling too. Never really used sleeping bags ren though we were given loads. They always just made him too hot because we'd end up bedsharing!

We didn't find out with DS so a lot of bits are neutral in newborn size. I don't think we'll find out this time so I'll try and sort through everything so it's easier to sort when baby arrives! Most of DS's clothes were hand me downs from friends and some were given back so need to work out if we have enough in certain sizes if it is a boy too!

I feel awful saying it but I do have a slight preference for a girl this time, just so I get the fun of new clothes options! ;)

EeyoreIsh Mon 26-Aug-13 09:19:07

Morning all smile

off to see my new nephew this morning. We should already be on the road but DH's bf moved in around the corner from us and it was his 40th, so DH had several beers too many angry we've got a 3 hour drive to get to my sister's, and I haven't passed my test yet. I'm being very kind to DH and bringing him alka seltzer etc, but I'm inwardly seething a bit! I did point out that morning sickness = permanently feeling hungover.

Oh well. I'm sure my sis won't mind if it's 11 or 1 when we rock up. And DH will be the one having to drive back in the chaos of late bank holiday traffic on the m25.

My sis said she was looking forward to seeing my bump. She might be very disappointed! I'd better eat a big breakfast so it looks more substantial!

hope everyone else is doing well smile

LovesToBake Mon 26-Aug-13 09:45:15

Somany do you live near Boxhill? We're in Guildford so probably not too far from you.

After three clear days I puked this morning, damn. And DS is now on Day 6 of a sick bug which is showing no real signs of abating, so we're a bit of a pukey household at the moment. My stomach also feels a bit crampy and delicate so I'm praying I'm not coming down with DS's bug too. That's the last thing I need!

marzipanned Mon 26-Aug-13 10:11:29

milk I didn't know that, thank you!

Loves I sympathise. I also had a couple of good days and am now in vomit city again. It started yesterday evening and went on all night. It's so horrible when you think (again!) you've turned the corner. Puking was really painful too - but I think that's why I'm not showing much, all the vomiting has tightened my tummy muscles!

I'm terrified that this episode has been food poisoning, I had prawns yesterday, but they were fully cooked so DH things it's very unlikely. I just hate the not knowing sad

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marzipanned Mon 26-Aug-13 10:37:37

Champagne grin I've never had it so don't know what it feels like - but I'm sure you're right. I'm a worrier at the best of times so pregnancy just makes me into a complete crazy lady.

You are so right about the 12 weeks thing. can't remember if I wrote this upthread but I found some data collated from various studies about when morning sickness passed for the women involved. It only passed at 12 weeks for something like 10% of women, most were at 14-16 weeks, and 85-90% by 20 weeks. I really hope those of us still suffering are done by 20 weeks.

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jazzcat28 Mon 26-Aug-13 12:18:44

champagne i'm with you on the uncomfy sleeping - in the past week I've started off lying on my left hand side, getting stiff and sore hips, rolling onto my back, subconsciously realising this isn't good for bump, trying to roll onto right hand side, which involves facing my DH (I don't like him breathing on my face whilst sleeping) so then end up shifting back to left hand side again.

It means I'm waking up throughout the night every couple of hours. Think I might struggle once the bump actually appears in full force!


misskatamari Mon 26-Aug-13 13:03:08

I'm with you on the sleeping ladies - I'm like a rotisserie chicken just rotating all night from one position to the next. Alas no more front lying tho which is my go to position for when I really can't sleep. DH nearly got shouted at this morning for waking me at 5.30 for some snuggle sleeping. Luckily I managed to get back to sleep after needing a wee and some grumbling. I've been looking online and it seems to be okay to sleep on or backs until about half way through the pregnancy luckily as I often lie on mine. Agree with the hips getting a bit sore on the sides too hmm

misskatamari Mon 26-Aug-13 13:14:39

I really don't know if I look pregnant or fat yet! My belly is out waaaay past my boobs which has never happened before as my boobs are massive and even when I've even heavier they h e managed to our flank it so I'm feeling like a chunky monkey. I think the main issue is by belly button is still very "innie" so I don't look nicely rounded I just look like I've eaten all the pies (quality street). Never thought I'd be prayin for an outie! Ie told DH I'm going to develop a product for ladies at this early stage of pregnancy to help "pad" the belly button - his comment was "like a buttplug for your belly button?" YES! exactly! I'm sure it would solve everything!

vix206 Mon 26-Aug-13 13:23:20

Champagne, I have the achy hips and legs too. They are agony and I just can't sleep at all, but I had this with DS from 20 weeks so I was expecting (and dreading) it.

I'm trying lots of pillow configurations but nothing is helping so far. Today my left leg and hip is still painful and stiff.

It's not fair that you have this to contend with as well as sickness. I try not to complain since the aching from the waist down (as painful as it is) is my only real symptom. (18+6)

LovesToBake Mon 26-Aug-13 13:29:06

For those struggling to get comfy sleeping, I can highly recommend sleeping with a cushion between your knees if you're lying on your side - it makes all the difference to me for easing achey hips as it keeps them level. I have a dodgy back anyway so have to do this from time to time even when not preggers.

Somanychanges Mon 26-Aug-13 13:47:01

Lovestobake yes we are not far, we live in a village just outside Leathethead, just moved here from London. Boxhill is fab, the kids love it so much. Unfortunately because I have been so sick I have not been able to take them much. But I am fine so far today so will be joining in the fun this afternoon. Just waiting on our friends from London to turn up.

I have found adjusting to sleeping on my side difficult as I am usually a tummy sleeper. I have had to add a second pillow for my head and a cushion for under tummy. I have not had pain though luckily but just keep waking due to being uncomfortable and needing to wee.

jazzcat I am exactly the same with my husband poor man but I cannot stand facing him at night with him breathing on me. I might of just turned over and gotten comfortable then he turns over and I have to turn back over and start over.

I really want someone to go baby shopping with even if its just window shopping. My husband is not interested and non of my friends are having babies they either have enough children and are not interested or are have not settled down yet and not thinking about babies. Apart from one of my best friends got pregnant at the same time and we were so excited planning prams and baby names. Unfortunately she had a Missed miscarriage it was awful for her and I feel bad getting excited about baby around her as I know she wanted it so much.

Champagnebubble Mon 26-Aug-13 14:02:02

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vix206 Mon 26-Aug-13 14:38:50

Lovestobake I found the pillow between legs helped to a point, but now the pain is really bad it doesn't help at all confused I'm experimenting with all kinds of pillow configurations but nothing is helping so far.

Littleen Mon 26-Aug-13 15:33:24

Can also recommend the pillow between the legs trick - it helps some for me for my achy hips. Although, some nights I've had to resort to paracetamol for the ache, when it's kept me awake.
Perhaps sleeping in a sitting position would feel better, vix?

vix206 Mon 26-Aug-13 15:39:06

Yes I tried that last night. The ache just shifted to my lower back. I remember last time that nothing I did seemed to help. I ended up at a chiropractor but the only relief was after delivery. Ah well, only another 22 ish weeks then grinconfused

marzipanned Mon 26-Aug-13 15:49:21

Can I ask for some advice?

I'm supposed to be going to a cousin's wedding abroad later this week. I had ruled it out because of sickness but that has abated and I think it might be manageable. However, I feel sort of incapable of going - I am still having bad days, and I'm nervous of having one while on the trip; I really don't want to do the trip without DH (tbh at the moment I hate being separated from DH even for the day while he's at work - must be a hormonal thing!) and - really pathetic reason - I can't face the thought of getting outfit, hairiness, and general current hideous state resulting from entire summer being spent in bed sorted out over the next two days.

Main reason for going is that everyone's excited to see me and I don't want to let them down, and there are some family members I haven't seen for years and years who I'd love to see.

What would you do?!! Journey is a real mission - three separate flights.

vix206 Mon 26-Aug-13 16:13:08

Marzi that sounds exhausting. I know it would be lovely to see your family but just thinking about it makes me feel exhausted. Personally, I wouldn't risk it...

misskatamari Mon 26-Aug-13 16:28:28

Awwww Vix I hope you find something that helps your hips feel a bit better soon hmm

Marzi - i probably wouldn't go as I'd be worried about feeling shit and being stuck there but that's just because I'm a worry wart. What do you want to do? If you take other people's expectations out of the equation I mean as I know it's hard to not feel guilty etc and think of others when you're in this kind of situation. I'd say go with your gut on this one. People would love to see you buy they'll understand if you can't be there x

Champagnebubble Mon 26-Aug-13 16:40:27

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marzipanned Mon 26-Aug-13 16:44:32

Thanks all. Yeah...my gut feeling is not to go, but it's good to hear that others probably wouldn't either smile
I am mostly worried about the journey - for the reasons you say Champagne - and can't bear the thought of a long haul flight on my own clutching my zip lock puke bags, only to then have another lay over and another flight...

Gah, feel awful but I know they will understand. Off to send some very guilty emails. sad

Champagnebubble Mon 26-Aug-13 16:45:57

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marzipanned Mon 26-Aug-13 16:57:24

Aw, thanks smile

We did a couple of short haul flights earlier this summer and I was delighted to see planes still supply sick bags. They were doable because DH was there but...yes...thinking back, I was exhausted and more ill afterwards, and that was without jet lag to think of! Have been deliberating over this all day, should've just posted here earlier smile

misskatamari Mon 26-Aug-13 17:57:04

That's a good point champagne made about it making you feel I'll afterwards too. I was feeling so much better recently then PIL came to visit and we were busy doing holiday things with them then DH and I went away (just to York so not far but lots of walking around etc) and it really knocked me for six and I was sick again and so tired for about a week afterwards.

Ooooh I think I might be feeling the "bubbles" that people say you feel before you actually feel baby kicking etc. 17+2 today so I'm hoping its not too early to be the start of feeling something grin

gnittinggnome Mon 26-Aug-13 19:42:17

Has anyone else not felt their baby move at all? It's number 1 for me, so I've never felt it before, and don't seem to have felt anything!

My 20 week scan is on the 16th, so a little way away yet, and I can't help being a worry-wart....

vix206 Mon 26-Aug-13 19:47:11

Gnitting don't worry. 1st babies are always later with kicks etc. my mum reckons she didnt feel me kick once!!

Bearfrills Mon 26-Aug-13 20:14:47

I didn't feel DS kick until actually at the 20wk. The sonographer pressed the doodad onto my bump, he objected and booted her and I felt it for the first time.

Has anyone got the misery of skin tags yet? I got a couple with DD that dropped off in the couple of weeks after she was born. This time I've developed one and I noticed it today because it's right on the tip of my fecking nipple sad It must have been rubbing on my bra all day too because its bleeding and stinging, that is too sensitive an area for any sort of ouch to be! I'm very tempted to try a bit of DIY surgery to get rid of it.

littlestgirlguide Mon 26-Aug-13 21:03:17

Gnitting, I've not felt it all yet either.

Milkandtwo Mon 26-Aug-13 21:15:17

gnitting- nothing here either. 16+3

vix206 Mon 26-Aug-13 21:16:11

Yes Bear!! I had one just under my arm where my bra sits. I'm afraid I performed some amateur surgery to remove it grin didn't get any with DS so this is a new thing for me!!

Littleen Mon 26-Aug-13 21:21:09

Ahh I had one of those under my boob, although it might have been a sort of mole. Not sure, but I errrr surgically removed it with some scissors, and it grew back after a few weeks :P Although I wasn't pregnant, so it probably isn't the same thing!

Can't stop feeling utterly terrified about tomorrows scan, my little sister sarcastically said (when I said I hope the baby is okay) that "nah it's dead" - I think she doesn't realise that you can actually lose the baby? She's rather clueless on these things, too embarrassed to even say the word "pregnant". Anyway, I am so scared, heart has been going mental for several hours now!

misskatamari Mon 26-Aug-13 21:39:15

Gosh littleen your sister doesn't half suffer from foot in mouth does she! Really try not to worry yourself, site everything will be fine and you'll get to see your lovely little baby giving you a wave smile

barebranches Mon 26-Aug-13 21:39:17

marking place
have 16 week check tomorrow.
not felt anything yet. all my muscles ache around my belly area though. sad

212VIP Mon 26-Aug-13 22:11:01

Just marking my place as its dropped of my 'I'm on' page... ;)

Whilst I'm here. Does anyone have bump concerns? In so big I looked like this at 7 months with my first. Feeling really embarrassed in case people ask and say 'only 16 weeks' when I tell them...


Bearfrills Mon 26-Aug-13 22:16:30

I found with DD (my second) that I was bigger sooner but by around 20wks it kind of evened out and I ended up smaller than my bump had been with DS by the end

tinypolkadot Mon 26-Aug-13 22:17:55

Just checking in, had dm to stay this weekend and I am knackered! Constant headache and general feeling of wanting my house back. Now I feel guilty for being a misery, even though I've probably not been that bad. Always end up with the guilt for one thing or another!

I'm sharing in the sleep discomfort. Sick of my side already, and deffo can't sleep facing dh either, poor thing. I'm sure it won't be long before separate beds beckons! sad

Think I've been feeling movements, but not sure.

CubanoHabana Mon 26-Aug-13 22:27:11

Well I had my first bump rub yesterday... Irritating me already! Not a big bump by any means and didn't have particularly bumpy clothes on. Mil walked into restaurant and came straight over, no hello, nothing but a pat and a rub! How am I gonna feel when it's more noticeable?

For second + time mums, did this happen to you a lot?

Bearfrills Mon 26-Aug-13 22:34:47

Cubano yes <grim face>

A nurse at work rubbed my bump last week but I was sitting down at my desk at the time and had my zip undone so I could breathe and she felt rather low down so it turned into a rather awkward "why are you trying to rub my knickers?" situation.

When big with DD and DS I quite quickly figured out who the belly rubbers were and I made sure to always have a barrier in place when seeing them. A handbag clutched in front of me, my own hands on my bump, a jacket over my arm and over my bump, that sort of thing. For strangers (who I didn't care about offending), a quick hands-palm-out in front of my bump and a "please don't" was enough to fend off unwanted attention.

Timpani Mon 26-Aug-13 22:35:35

Yes it did! Loads and loads!

I have had one already and I cateorically did not have a bump at the time and barely do now (though it's poking out more now). It got really annoying!


Bearfrills Mon 26-Aug-13 22:35:53

Just thought I'd point out, my zip was undone but I had a longish top on so no one could actually see it was undone. I don't regularly flash my underwear at work.

CubanoHabana Mon 26-Aug-13 22:42:12

Aw bear that just made me chuckle, cue odd looks from oh!

gnittinggnome Mon 26-Aug-13 22:44:17

bear haha, I'm sure none of us were thinking that. Honest. smile

I'm thinking of investing in a fly-whisk to swish at unwanted hands. So far only the odious FIL, but I'm feeling so vulnerable now I'm beginning to look pregnant, rather than just fat!

gnittinggnome Mon 26-Aug-13 22:44:33

and 18 weeks today!

vix206 Tue 27-Aug-13 06:44:14

My bump is huge and I've had 4 belly rubs so far. Makes me cringe every single time!!

Thisisfreakingmeout Tue 27-Aug-13 08:03:05

I'm on two so far. Both were family, both were without any warning.
What ami supposed to do while it goes on? Grin inanely?


212VIP Tue 27-Aug-13 08:12:57

Is there a way we could share bump pics? Might make me feel better to see that I'm not such a moose as I think any bigger than other people...?

misskatamari Tue 27-Aug-13 10:17:55

I've had one bump feel from an aunt which was weird as I didn't even have a bump just a layer of flab! I think I'll probably be able to cope with family having a bump feel (just about) but god if people at work/strangers start doing it no way! That would just be weird!

Just had my 16 week midwife app and had my bloods taken for the quad test (hopefully come back low risk). She said everything looks fine and I finally know my blood type (A+). Have put on about 10 pounds which she said is fine - phew! Was lovely to hear heart beat again (even tho I have checked the odd time with the Doppler). I think I am definitely feeling "bubbles" now grin so exciting! It doesn't feel like kicking or anything yet so probably got a few more weeks to wait until there's anything that I can be sure is the baby (17+3 today).

Awwww 212 sorry your feeling so massive - hopefully it will all even out in a few weeks. I'm sure you look lovely and not as big as you think you are!

Not sure how we could share piccies - I'm sure there's somewhere on here we must be able to.

When my friend was on the antenatal thread for her baby her group set up a private Facebook group for people to join so if people wanted to we could do something like that where we could have piccies and things.

Littleen Tue 27-Aug-13 10:24:42

I'm sure you're not that massive - it shows much earlier with the second one anyway smile I hope mine stays hidden until I have secured a job - not going to get hired with a baby bump, that's for sure!

Found out I have the awkward Bloodtype, A rhesus negative! Another thing to add to my already santa-long worrylist! Off to my scan now, will let you know how it went when I'm back :D

barebranches Tue 27-Aug-13 10:28:11

waiting for my 16 week check. starting to get to know this hospital pretty well! shame ill give birth in a different one!!
waiting is always so tense!

marzipanned Tue 27-Aug-13 10:51:01

You can put pics on your profile though I've no idea how, but if people would rather keep identity a bit private we could do as missk suggests and set up a private FB group.

Just had my 16 wk mw appointment - another new mw (have had a different one each time!) and she was lovely. She found the hb straight away, turns out I was looking in COMPLETELY the wrong place with the doppler! smile

She said some first timers don't feel movement til 22 weeks, I don't want to wait that long! But all in all good appointment and so lovely and reassuring to hear that galloping heart.

misskatamari Tue 27-Aug-13 10:56:28

Bare and littleen good luck for today! Glad you had a good appointment marzi - glad you heard the heartbeat so easily - hopefully you'll find it no problem with the Doppler now grin

SugarMiceInTheRain Tue 27-Aug-13 11:25:47

Argh! Just typed quite a long post and lost it all sad <sob>

Been really busy over the summer so not had much time to post - can't believe how fast these threads are filling up though! I will have to catch up once the kids are back at school.

I have a definite bump, very obvious and I'm about the size I was at 5 months with DS1 (I am only 14+4 so way behind some of you ladies). My dad and stepmum visited last week and SM said it's all psychological - people can make themselves look pregnant if they are/ want to be. Rigggghhhht..... hmm I'm petite which is why I'm showing so much I suppose (that and 2 children already so my abdominal muscles have just given up!) Nobody has rubbed my bump yet (apart from DH and the kids) - there are some people I don't mind doing it but I'd be cringing if random people or acquaintances started doing it. Feeling a few movements now and again, usually once I relax and try to sleep!

Have succumbed and made a few purchases, the main one being a travel system as I got rid of the ones I used with my boys. Quite pleased with it, and it was a bargain £46 on Ebay - picked it up on Saturday. DH however didn't want to buy a new cot mattress in Ikea as it might be tempting fate. Eh?!

Sickness has eased now, still feel a bit queasy now and again and crave weird things/ don't fancy eating stuff DH is having but it's a far cry from the constant nausea and several times a day vomiting I was suffering with for about 8 weeks. Still absolutely knackered though, no energy for things and I just want to sleep all the time. DH doesn't seem to understand this (though has been otherwise wonderfully supportive) so yesterday 'to make the most of the BH weekend' found us schlepping round Warwick Castle. Luckily the kids loved it as I was feeling hormonal and quite frankly murderous, so their enjoyment made me seethe slightly less blush For the first time in the holidays I am really thinking thank goodness they're nearly back at school - they start on Thursday - unfortunately I have something on Thursday but am planning on some regular naps most days they're at school methinks!

Bought a groupon voucher for a fancy 4D scan so can't wait to redeem it - I'm undecided as to whether I should do it before or after my NHS one (for which I'll be 21 weeks) What do you girls think?

Shropshiremummy2bLaFay Tue 27-Aug-13 11:54:18

Morning pregsters.

Had a lovely weekend in Somerset with friends (except fo the bits where my drunk friend was chastising me for being a lame preggo and going home early, when actually I hadnt slept the night before because my room was above her roaring Aga and I wanted to get back to let my dogs out angry , then the following morning saying it again whilst sober, grrrrr.)

Feeling fat and tired but otherwise fabulous. DH thinks im stupid for posting on here because I should only come on here if i've actually got something to say and because I haven't had any pregnancy gripes I should just leave you all alone! Mean.

Eeeeeek 2 weeks until I can see my baby again and get shopping!!

Can't believe that the August thread (yes, rugularly read it to check whats in store) is only on part 6!! I thought we were chatty until I saw that March 2014 is on Part 5!

tinypolkadot Tue 27-Aug-13 12:29:43

I’ve got my 16 week appointment this afternoon, really hope I get to hear the heartbeat, I feel a bit left out of all the doppler action!

I think my belly is becoming rather noticeable – I’d be up for a closed facebook group. I’m sure we’ll all want to post baby pics in February too smile

I had a dream the baby was born early last night, it was horrible. The baby was so small and stiff and in the shape of a gingerbread man and the eyes were iced on in crosses sad and I was desperately trying to get it to breastfeed. In the end it did come to life and feed - then I tried to put it back where it came from so it could finish growing! Weird.

Sugarmice if you go for your scan early you might get to find out the sex sooner? Otherwise I think if you leave it later you would see the facial features better as they’ve had more time to develop? I could be completely wrong of course!

bugsyburge Tue 27-Aug-13 12:55:21

hello all,

this tiredness is SO debilitating, it's driving me mad!!!!!! I'm going back to the gym today to see if that helps at all, I'm a marathon runner normally so could do with reminding my body what running is!!!!

I bought my first baby outfit on Saturday.... a lovely selection of stripey babygros from next smile .... unfortunately DH made his first purchase too..... the villa away strip; although I shouldn't be concerned because he picked the away kit because it's purple & that makes it unisex hmm

I'm thrilled as I'm sure you can sense!!!!!

Bearfrills Tue 27-Aug-13 13:37:21

I'm hating the tiredness, I almost stepped in front of a car this morning and all I can think of is that I was so tired sad I had DS by the hand to make it even worse. We were at the crossing, I pressed the button, looked both ways and then just stepped out even though the green man wasn't on yet and I could see cars coming. It's like it didn't even register until after I'd moved forward. Thank fuck for passers by, an old man grabbed my arm and gave me a good telling off. I'm going to have an early night and tomorrow I'm going to the MW drop-in to see if there's a cause (iron maybe?) or a cure (Red Bull, lots of Red Bull).

barebranches Tue 27-Aug-13 13:37:43

16 week check was fine and was only 15 mins! heart beat was loud and clear which was good!!! grin grin grin very happy mummy to be!

Shropshiremummy2bLaFay Tue 27-Aug-13 13:48:50

EEEEEEK Bare, isn't it great? Im not a doppler so share your excitement!

Thanks Tiny, now I reeeallly fancy a gingerbread man yet eating one would seem a bit wrong now, especially after you tried to breast feed it!

tinypolkadot Tue 27-Aug-13 14:05:21

You can’t eat my gingerbread baby Shropshire! grin I don't think I'll look at a gingerbread man in the same way again

Littleen Tue 27-Aug-13 14:43:37

Baby is fine!! Has a good heartbeat, and the measurements all add up to my original due date (makes sense as I know the week it was made :P )

Got lots of pictures too! It was sat on the bum with hands by the mouth, very still! Only a little bit of moving and jiggling, and nearly did a somersault when prodded. It kicked once and I didn't feel anything though! But it looks all healthy and stuff :D

jazzcat28 Tue 27-Aug-13 15:23:08

Yay for amazing scans and heartbeats! I have my 16 wk appointment on Monday and am looking forward to being able to hear the heartbeat, fingers crossed. Do I need to take a wee sample with me? Or can I do it whilst there??

I just doubled the value of some clubcard vouchers to spend on their clothing online - bought some plain vests and a very cute hungry caterpillar sleepsuit set. Their sizing seemed good - newborn, then 0-1m (10lb) so have gone for that size thinking I'm likely to give birth to a heffer if DH is anything to go by..

bear I can totally sympathise. I switched off completely whilst driving and approaching a set of traffic lights. Didn't clock everyone in front of me had stopped for a red light and had to do an emergency stop and swerve into the bus lane next to me. Thank god it was empty.

jazzcat28 Tue 27-Aug-13 15:24:32

P.S. am interested in the closed facebook group but how does it work exactly? <baby brain> Would you see our 'real' facebook profiles? Or is it anonymous?

tinypolkadot Tue 27-Aug-13 15:39:58

Just back from my midwife appointment. Heard the heartbeat, it sounded like a little steam train chugging away grin

jazz I think people would be able to see your profile pic and anything you post to the group but not your profile or wall unless you have accepted a friend request. I guess that also means our real names will be seen? Someone else might know better than me though

Shropshiremummy2bLaFay Tue 27-Aug-13 16:07:32

Tiny don't worry, baby brain means I left work and immediatley forgot I wanted to eat your baby a gingerbread man.

LovesToBake Tue 27-Aug-13 16:13:26

212 I'm with you on being a little bit embarrassed by the size of my bump already! I'm 14+5 and I swear have a similar bump to the one I had at 20 weeks last time. Am sort of trying to hide it and wishing the weeks away a bit so I can 'wear' it with pride when I get to about 20 weeks! Hate the idea of being asked how far along I am and people looking on in horror when they realise I have 5 months still to go.

I'd be up for a closed Facebook group too. I'm in one that sort of originated from a MN thread with DS and it's been great. Lots of sharing of photos and birth announcements when the babies arrive and middle of the night postings when you're up feeding and the rest of the world is still asleep. You can do it without becoming 'friends' with the group members (unless you want to of course!) so in that respect, all the members would see is your name and profile pic (assuming you have fairly tight privacy settings on your account).

misskatamari Tue 27-Aug-13 16:27:39

wow i just zonked out asleep for about 2 hours! mmmm sleep!

eeeek scary baby brain happenings, glad you're okay ladies.

Right, I think I have managed to start a group on fb. its set to closed now but once we join we can "secret" it which means noone can search for it etc.

All you can see is peoples names and profile pic unless you "friend" anyone. I'm in a similar one as I got married in Vegas and met loads of like minded ladies and it's great to be able to share picks and things.

right this should be the link https://www.facebook.com/groups/397125780387425/

if not - you should be able to search "Fabulous February 2014 babies"

don't worry I'm not in the habit of actually using "fabulous" in my speech - i'm just a sucker for some alliteration. Had to add my poor DH as needed a first member so hopefully someone will join so he doesn't have to be in a baby group!

Shropshiremummy2bLaFay Tue 27-Aug-13 16:31:03

Just tried to set up a Secret Group but it wont let me unless I have atleast one friend to add to it.... how stupid. Does that mean I have to befriend one of you to set it up....?

misskatamari Tue 27-Aug-13 16:32:23

join me shropshire!!! grin

misskatamari Tue 27-Aug-13 16:37:01

eeek well i've probably totally outed myself on fb "DH was invited to join fabulous february 2014 babies by misskatamari" eerrrrr thanks FB - for a closed group, really??? oops!

vix206 Tue 27-Aug-13 16:37:41

I've just requested to join the group grin

tinypolkadot Tue 27-Aug-13 16:42:08

Thanks misskat good job grin

misskatamari Tue 27-Aug-13 16:48:05

Thanks Tiny smile

yaaaaaaay my H+M order has arrived. But all the tshirts are medium so i don't know if i'd probably be best returning and getting larges. Bloody website didn't have S M L etc as sizing so i went 14/16, and they fit but don't know how much "growing room" there is. Grrrrrrr

jazzcat28 Tue 27-Aug-13 16:50:40

Just requested to join... thanks misskat

misskatamari Tue 27-Aug-13 17:17:45

Gosh I need I stop just assuming that only brown things have caffeine in! I've been craving ice cold fizziness recently so at the weekend bought a giant bag of ice (best purchase EVER!) and some sugar free iron bru. I was happily knocking it back until DH started reading it and it has loads if warnings on it about causing hyperactivity etc in kids as its so full of shit and caffeine. Obviously I didn't exactly think it was good for me but blinking health warnings on the label!?! It has now been relegated to the "evil" list never to be enjoyed again hmm

vix206 Tue 27-Aug-13 17:19:47

Even ice cream has caffeine in shockconfused

Littleen Tue 27-Aug-13 17:23:39

Ah don't worry about a little bit of caffeine though! Just keep it to a few glasses/cups a day! I had a cuppa tea and chocolate spread for breakfast, little one still was reaaally chilled out in here! Have requested to join smile am the one with the weird name.

tinypolkadot Tue 27-Aug-13 17:39:59

I live for my afternoon can of Pepsi or coca cola. Can't abide tea at the moment so this is the next best thing.

Oh, and my 10am cake blush

Every hour has a food or drink associated with it!

I hope I am not overdoing the caffeine either

jazzcat28 Tue 27-Aug-13 17:44:46

Umm the FB group is a closed group, not a secret group. Therefore anyone on your friends list can see when you post in it. Is there any way it could be changed to a secret group?

misskatamari Tue 27-Aug-13 17:47:14

Really? Shit! I set it to closed just whilst people were joining so they could search - didn't realise it posted to our walls. Grrrrr! Will change it to secret now!

misskatamari Tue 27-Aug-13 17:48:56

Changed it to secret!

EeyoreIsh Tue 27-Aug-13 17:51:05

Hi all, I'll have to join the fb group, will my friends be able to see I've joined? Not everyone on fb knows yet.

I met my little nephew yesterday. I might be biased but he is incredibly cute! I got long huggles with him, but he's so tiny! I couldn't do anything whilst holding him, made me realise just how intense a new baby is grin

first day back at work after holiday sad I had 997 emails!!! I've brought my laptop home so I can hit the delete button on my commute home! I told most of my team today, they were really pleased for me. lovely team! I still want a new job though.

16 week appointment tomorrow, I'm nervous about hearing the heartbeat. I hope everything is ok. DH has an interview straight after so I'm hoping they find it quickly!

My new look clothes (including my extra long jeans) are waiting for me at home. I'm excited about trying them all on!

vix206 Tue 27-Aug-13 17:56:45

I'm still having my daily proper coffee plus chocolate so I'm not worried wink Just surprising what it's hidden in sometimes! grin

EeyoreIsh Tue 27-Aug-13 17:59:30

I can't find the group to join now sad if I pm someone in the group with my email address would you be able to find me?

EeyoreIsh Tue 27-Aug-13 17:59:31

I can't find the group to join now sad if I pm someone in the group with my email address would you be able to find me?

Malteaser1982 Tue 27-Aug-13 18:11:00

Joining this thread almost midway - just in time for the facebook group smile

I feel quite left behind being at the very back of the Feb bus but seeing that the all day sickness is almost ok now, I can rejoin you ladies on this one wink

Had nuchal scan on Friday and all is well so last weekend we broke the news to family and friends - dressed DD (almost 3) in a t-shirt with 'I'm going to be a big sister just like Dora' on the front which no one noticed hmm lol, so ended up telling them verbally. Still have work to tell though, which I'm dreading a bit.

Oh and I got my doppler now (had lent it to sil when she was pregnant) and am having a peek every now and then.

Baby was so chilled out during scan - hope it stays so - DD was so restless sonographer had difficulty confirming gender appointment after another (we get scanned every 4 weeks here [privately]) so could do with a quiet one smile

misskatamari Tue 27-Aug-13 18:13:44

Awwww i'm glad your nuchal went well Malteaser. Finger's crossed baby is still being good at the gender scan smile

Sorry Eeyore, I changed it to secret as i think it was showing up when people posted on their news feeds. If you pm me I will search and add you smile

EeyoreIsh Tue 27-Aug-13 18:17:48

Thanks missk

rueyrichardson Tue 27-Aug-13 18:19:35

I'm also much bigger bump wise at this stage this time round. I think I am eating less generally than with DS though and I have not gained weight in the past 4 weeks, with a slightly high BMI I want to keep it under control. I have cut out caffeinated hot drinks so that I can enjoy a Diet Coke now and again! God knows how I will get out of bed on those cold winter mornings without a hot black coffee. I can't see the fabulous secret group either confused

misskatamari Tue 27-Aug-13 18:23:13

If you wanna pm me your email ruey i'll send an invite, or can unsecret for you to search it and change it back if not

littlestgirlguide Tue 27-Aug-13 18:24:27

Missk, can I PM you too - I can't find the group now, either.

rueyrichardson Tue 27-Aug-13 18:26:24

Thank you have pm'd! smile

misskatamari Tue 27-Aug-13 18:26:46

of course littlest!

littlestgirlguide Tue 27-Aug-13 18:31:49

I have PM'd you too!

misskatamari Tue 27-Aug-13 18:34:49

Okey dokey, hopefully littlest, ruey and eeyore should all have invites if I have figured it out correctly!

Bearfrills Tue 27-Aug-13 18:36:22

I'm going to PM you too if that's okay, my email address yeah?

For my risk assessment at work on Thursday. Myanager asked if she can sit in! I was hmm and emailed H&S to say I'd like a private appointment. They mailed back saying they are all private appointments and they don't let manager attend grin

Bearfrills Tue 27-Aug-13 18:37:17

* got my risk assessment

And manager asked if she could sit in

<fat fingers>

Shropshiremummy2bLaFay Tue 27-Aug-13 18:44:44

malteaser do you realise you have just ruined our whole gender prediction regarding scan movement?! Us first timers were working on the basis that if it wiggles lots its a boy/sleepy it's a girl!

Camwombat Tue 27-Aug-13 18:53:41

ooo can I pm you too?

misskatamari Tue 27-Aug-13 19:02:14

of course camwombat. I'm out at preggo yoga for the first time in about 15 mins but yep any pms I get I shall invite to the fb group.

We're thus far sharing scan pics - not sure if were brave enough to share our bump podge pics yet...

littlestgirlguide Tue 27-Aug-13 19:07:53

I may indulge in a selfish belly photo.... You can all tell me if its baby or podge! Not till later though, need to get a hyperactive 4 year old into bed!

Sassy20 Tue 27-Aug-13 19:17:07

Misskat - I've pm'd you too! smile

Sorry missk you are going to have a very busy evening ahead of you - I will pm you also!

Nausea is slightly fading but I am still knackered! Feeling a bit more enthusiastic about doing ANYthing though!

I think my tummy is definitely podge as I think I am only 14+4 (lost track already!). I went shopping for a cocktail dress yesterday so I ate a massive jacket potato for lunch to expand my belly so I could see how the dress would look in 6 weeks time grin

tiegysmum Tue 27-Aug-13 19:31:49

Hey Missk I've pm'd you too, re Facebook x

jazzcat28 Tue 27-Aug-13 19:46:36

blush apologies missk I just didn't really want FB seeing how much I'm likely to be posting in the group! Sorry to land you with lots of work! Can you make any more of us admins so you're not taking the burden of adding everyone?

In other news I've just discovered the H&M baby range. It's cute. And cheap. I might be ordering a few bits...

Thisisfreakingmeout Tue 27-Aug-13 19:55:49

I'm too dense to PM, where is the option to do that here?? Sorry everyone!

Champagnebubble Tue 27-Aug-13 20:01:51

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Malteaser1982 Tue 27-Aug-13 20:07:02

lol shropshire in fact when I was seeing the predictions I was like hmm in my case it would have failed lol

jazz I LOVE H&M baby clothes and they have great neutrals in lovely colours (not just beige or white!). I still buy all DS clothes th