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The 4th Gemini Luxury Bus- The One with CAR SEATS

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Welcome aboard ladies! You will see the newly installed infant car seats complete with cup holders for the mums waters wine. Make yourselves comfortable, it's going to be a long and sometimes bumpy journey with little ones making their arrivals!

Previous Fred.

Lorelei353 Wed 08-May-13 16:01:37

Good luxury bus for the final leg

Jojobump1986 Wed 08-May-13 16:40:29

grin Hello new bus!

I got woken up early from my nap this afternoon by the doorbell ringing repeatedly. By the time I shuffled to the door there was noone there but they'd left behind a fluorescent box with a biohazard label on which was full of medical supplies! I was a bit dubious about picking it up until I saw a label with my midwife clinic's address on! I guess that'll be for the homebirth then...! They didn't bring anything round until they came on the day with DS1 so I wasn't expecting anything this time. They could've at least rung to let me know they were coming with it! hmm

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 08-May-13 17:07:43

Ooh how freaky jojo I may well have panicked at a package with a biohazard label.

I have fat feet after my day at work. 1 day left. Woo.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 08-May-13 17:10:09

But even with the URL peeps can only see if you add them. Maybe we should have a secret (pm-ed) password. grin

Librarina Wed 08-May-13 17:48:56

Hello.

Im so tired...I ate 3 different cakes at work today!
Off to Guides in 5 mins where they have organised me a baby shower... Organised by 12 year olds, it's going to be quite the occasion. But I'm so tired!

Meep!

Ah lib that's so cute! Atleast you know it's not going to be a late one!
Yeay frus just 1 day left! How you feeling today any more bh?
I think I've requested to join the group? I say we keep convo on the thread but yes would be nice to be friends and see the pics etc of new arrivals, plus Im not sure I'd want to post details like names and weights etc so that would be cool so private group or we just let each other know our names on pm and befriend that way grin

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 08-May-13 18:12:42

Day off before my last day gee I know how to drag things out no BH, but so tired and swollen feet.

Sorry for the delay (DH and I went out for a walk, now I'm pooped out), we have three new fb group members! So cool to see your faces and see who I've been corresponding with all these months!

That's totally why I was up for friending on fb. I want to see all these new cuties and I don't really want to put any stats or pix on here <<goes off to delete the ones that are already on here....>>

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 08-May-13 19:23:16

I know what you mean bring. I made that mistake with dd, and the thread is still google-able, due to her name

That's exciting news Jo! The biohazard homebirth box has arrived! Is it starting to sink in a bit more for you?

Our 36 week home visit is next week and then its off to the midwives weekly for checkups. Oh. My. Life. this is coming up quickly. The home visit is such a big deal here, kind of makes it all official, having midwives and my best friend/doula all here at the same time- next time that happens it'll be baby time! I still have two rooms to paint before next week. I should get up off my arse and stop watching Grey's Anatomy on Hulu and work on the rest of the kitchen and bathroom. I'm so worn out from that stupid walk though! I didn't realize DH was gung-ho for a 2 mile walk around the lake this afternoon. hmm

We have got a guy requesting to join the fb group..... anyone from here under the hubby's name? Anyone?

Jojobump1986 Wed 08-May-13 20:26:29

Just me being dopey & not checking whose fb account I was logged on to! blush

Haha! Welcome Jo! I've added you. I think I'll give it until tomorrow and then just change the group to "secret" if everyone is ok with that?

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 08-May-13 22:01:08

Sounds good bring.
jojo is this the point where we discover we're all men pretending to be pregnant ladies? hmm

I love misleading aibu thead titles grin I'm feeling very proud of myself. I'm such a saddo

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 08-May-13 22:06:27

Help. I'm stuck in the bath. blush

Jojobump1986 Wed 08-May-13 22:06:48

Or in my case, an 18mo boy...! grin

Yes, I'm one of those crazy people who make profiles for their DC but it's purely because family aren't local & want to be kept up to date with every sneeze/nappy & it helps to avoid spamming everyone on my fb every time he does something. Doesn't really help!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 08-May-13 22:25:09

<snigger> jojo grin

Librarina Wed 08-May-13 23:34:35

Ooh can I join? I tried to search for it but couldn't find it!

Or, you can all meet up without me and I'll stay here on my own, whichever you prefer...
(Insecure childhood!)

Jojobump1986 Thu 09-May-13 00:37:52

Pm'd you the link, hopefully it'll work!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Thu 09-May-13 06:30:21

Oh lib we couldn't meet up without you.

I woke up at 1am after a wierd dream about fruit to the most awful pain in my bump ever. And the 2nd thing that went through my head was bring saying that BH start at the top. I heart you bring you helped me not wake up DH keep it together, whilst I staggered to the bathroom, wondering if I would make it there before I was ripped apart from the inside. alien style

Sorry ladies. blush it was horrific wind blush If it hasn't been for bring is have been on the phone to maternity begging for pain relief.

I staggered back to bed exhausted, but with a much less sore/bloated bump.

It must have been the fruit dream. I'm warning you all-- don't dream about fruit...

Lol at frus phoning the maternity ward for gas, oh how they would laugh at that one when the phone was down he he
Pesky fruit!!

Jojobump1986 Thu 09-May-13 08:33:37

I've had that several times Frus. It's awful! I now make sure I take Rennies & sip water for half an hour before going to bed if I feel remotely gassy! Seems to help!

I can't bring myself to tell you what I dreamt about last night but it definitely wasn't fruit! wink blush

I seem to be having issues standing up today... Awful pelvic pain! I had it as a constant niggle last time but it seems that my body was storing it all up to unleash it on me all at once this time round! Ouchy!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Thu 09-May-13 08:34:46

Call an ambulance, get me the gas and air, I have gas! grin seriously hurt at the time. Oh the shame. blush

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Thu 09-May-13 08:38:14

jojo shock wink got to have been better than a dream about eating pomegranate seeds.

I usually do have Rennie at bed time.

Pelvic pain doesn't sound good, but I guess not having it constantly is a tiny relief although not at the time

Jojobump1986 Thu 09-May-13 08:38:42

That pain was worse than labour for me! At least with labour you know that your body is doing something useful. Gas-pain just feels like you've been stabbed/punched or have internal bleeding! sad

Librarina Thu 09-May-13 10:49:49

I feel bad for laughing at your gas story Jojo so I'll share my own tale of stupidity.

You all know that I think the sensation of the baby wriggling is weird, and not always pleasant. Well it's getting weirder and more and more squirmy to the point that it takes my breath away sometimes. So I had a Midwife appointment yesterday and mentioned to her that I would be very keen to have another scan as I'm fairly convinced that my baby has too many limbs; I just don't see how it can be physically possible for this small person to kick me in so many places at once.

Well my lovely Midwife failed completely to hide her giggles, held my hand and said 'You know that anomaly scan you had at 20 weeks? Well they count all the limbs there, and you had just the right number then'.

To which I replied 'Well it could grown another one since then!'

and she just laughed at me!

So I told her that if my baby has 3 legs or more I'm taking it back to the ante-natal clinic and blaming her
Frankly I'm appalled that a supposedly caring Midwife would laugh at a clearly distressed pregnant woman smile !

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Thu 09-May-13 11:04:29

Oh lib grin you really have made me laugh. Bless ya. although I do think they can turn into octopus if not checked regularly

Lorelei353 Thu 09-May-13 11:14:42

Lib that's so funny. I totally know what you mean though. Mine seems to have tentacles, reaching out into places. At the very least I'm convinced it has very long limbs - I don't know how it can reach so far at the same time sometimes! It can be so uncomfortable with all the squirming.

Love the idea of calling the labour ward with bad gas though. Sounds like the type of thing I'd do. I've been fortunate that I've not been suffering painful gas (better out than in according to my body apparently blush ). Haven't really had BH yet either. Keep waiting for them to hit me and freak me out!

I did get up this morning and got a lovely text from a friend I've made in one of my yoga classes to say that she'd had her little girl yesterday. 8lbs 11oz! All healthy and well though. Don't know anything about the birth but healthy mama and healthy baby sounds like a good outcome to me.

Hahahha oh Frus. Ouch, gas pains really are the worst! Sometimes the BH are just excruciating because it's like it messes with your abdominal muscles and it is a sharp pain when everything is all stretched and contracted at the same time. I am pretty positive you wouldn't have been the first to call the maternity ward for gas pains!! We've been called to births for constipation and indigestion before.... it totally happens to the best of us.

LOL Lib! Oh that's funny. I would love to meet your midwife smile

Mmmm, yep, I'm in the same boat as you today Jo. Currently wearing a maternity belt to try to hold everything together which isn't working very well

I think all of the regulars on here have joined the fb page so I'll make it secret. Pls let me know if I've missed anyone!

Jojobump1986 Thu 09-May-13 15:10:42

I'm so freaking ANGRY! angry

The last time I went to the clinic I saw the midwife who I've since requested not to have involved in my care. She booked my home visit for 2 weeks ago & my 36 week check for today. Except she didn't write in my appointment for today so I just spent half an hour with a bored, frustrated toddler assuming they were just running late. Eventually I asked at the reception & she checked with the mw who came out to see me & explain that either I could wait another half an hour with a toddler who needed a nap or I'd have to come back another day. That woman is just so incompetent it's beyond a joke! I'm literally sobbing with anger so I can't even call DH because I know I couldn't get the words out!

ARGH! angry

Yikes! She doesn't sound very with it! What a inconvenience and waste of time for you, especially with trying to keep a youngster busy in a waiting room. I'm sorry you had to go through that today. Were you able to see the midwife or do you have to come back?

They should know better than to mess with a full-term pregnant woman!

Did you stay then Jojo? How anoying nothing worse when your trying to look after little ones aswell hmm
Has anyone had stabing pains in I guess cervix or fanjo? I wondered if it normal

Jojobump1986 Thu 09-May-13 20:38:20

Yy to stabbing pains!

No, I didn't stay. DS was already nearly 2 hours passed naptime & we'd had a busy morning so he really needed to get some sleep & the buggy wasn't good enough! I'm going back at 10 tomorrow & DH has rearranged his work so he can work from home & come with me! He's probably going to have to drag/bribe me to get me there though! It's so frustrating. I used to have awful depression & anxiety & had various pills but haven't needed anything for years. Even now I'm struggling not to burst into tears & I just know that some diazepam would make everything better! Haven't felt like this for so long. I'm really hoping that it's just a temporary blip & this ridiculously minor issue won't trigger the depression again!

DH is about to go shopping & has promised me some haagen dazs. That's nearly as good as diazepam & a lot safer in pregnancy! wink

Yep, stabbing cervical pains are normal. I've also heard them called "zingers" but they're an indication of ripening and baby's head pressing down. Good signs!

Yay to ice cream! Hope your night goes better Jo!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Fri 10-May-13 05:58:53

Okay, can someone explain why I have started checking the bump is still there when I wake up in the morning.

Have I turned into a bloke who needs to shove his hands down his pants just to check it hasn't vanished, or does my brain think I could miraculously and pain freely give birth during the night and not notice?

It is still there btw.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Fri 10-May-13 06:15:36

P.s. I'm term! Woo!

I'm definatly not needing to check the past few days frus hmm so tired and I know no two children are the same etc etc but can I reserve a winge this morning for the fact I'm still pregnant!
Dd was born 2 days ago and for the past 5 days I just can't sleep I toss and turn all night, last time I could have gone longer now that Id happily have her out- nothing!! I'm ok in the day but just so tired now I'm dreading bed time, I think it's just the thought of possibly 5 more weeks of it hmmhmmhmm

Babies should come quicker with each labour and earlier- I'd make it a law!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Fri 10-May-13 07:21:19

Mine have kitty. I think your dd was just super early. You can reserve the right to whinge.

Last day at work today too.

Yeay to finishing work grin
I've atleast got a day to myself too now as its nursery, was cleaning up till 10 last night and still loads to do but so very tempted to take a day off aswell

Jojobump1986 Fri 10-May-13 08:44:46

Yes, subsequent babies should: come earlier, birth faster & more easily, feed better & sleep really well. Let's start a campaign! I have read stories of women giving birth in their sleep & waking up to find a newborn in the bed. No idea if these stories are medical facts or urban myths though... I like to think they're true! Gives me hope! wink

Congrats on reaching term Frus! I'm counting the minutes until Tuesday! Will have to check with the mw this morning whether it's 37 or 38 weeks they'll 'let' me have a homebirth from. I'd quite happily do the whole thing by myself after yesterday. Might see how long I can hide being in labour from DH & only let him call them when I want to push...! wink We're a 2 minute walk from their office so I'm sure someone could get here in a hurry if it was during office hours!

I'm not so much feeling a need to check the bump is still there although, now that you mention it... but I am feeling the urge to poke him until he wriggles every 5 minutes, just to check he's still moving!

Am feeling a little more sane/stable this morning but I haven't got up yet so that could all change! My eyes feel sore from yesterday though. sad I think the thing that upset me most was that I thought there was no way she could impact on my life now that I've insisted she not be involved with my pregnancy/labour & the absolute last thing that she had to do for me, she messed up! Just seems like a kick in the teeth! I still haven't really spoken to DH about it. I text him to explain yesterday & I wasn't feeling stable enough to discuss it rationally last night. Not entirely sure I am today either but I've got the appointment at 10! I'm terrified they're going to diagnose me with antenatal depression which seems ridiculous because I was absolutely fine until this happened! Hopefully they'll just put it down to crazy pregnancy hormones!

Lorelei353 Fri 10-May-13 10:34:14

Jojo Sounds miserable. Definitely hormones kicking in though. I had a total meltdown a while back in my GP's office because the repeat prescription I collected wasn't what I usually get and no-one had told me this was going to be the case. I was in floods by the time I got home. I just couldn't handle the stress, annoyance and unpredictability of the situation on that particular day. Hope it goes well this morning.

Frus congrats on reaching term! I'll be 36 weeks on Sunday so another week and a bit to go until then. Unlike those of you who are ready to go, I'm happy to keep baking my little bun for another few weeks yet. Quite content to go to 39-40 weeks, although ideally not beyond that!

My bump totally dropped yesterday though, which has amused me no end. My belly button was not where I left it yesterday morning. I was feeling more achy than usual and quite uncomfortable all day but it was only when I got home that I realised my shape was different and I actually have space between boobs and bump that I haven't had in a while. Guess baby's getting ready. Looking forward to MW appt next Tuesday to hopefully tell me baby's part-engaged and head down (it's been head down up until now so fx).

Jojobump1986 Fri 10-May-13 12:15:35

"My belly button was not where I left it yesterday morning."
grin

Mw appt was fine. No mention of yesterday & I didn't bring it up because I wasn't sure I could discuss it rationally & didn't want to end up blubbering again! blush Baby was 2/5 engaged at that particular moment but he moves up & down every 5 minutes! The bump had only grown 1-2cm since last being measured 3 weeks ago so they sent me for another scan.

Mw said they'd ring 'sometime today'. We live 3 minutes away from the clinic & had just got our shoes off & started to think about who could look after DS1 while I went in when the phone rang! They said they were quiet & would rather I came straight in with him than waited until I had childcare when they might be busier. Shoes back on, mad dash to find change for parking & threw DS in the car! He was fab throughout & actually seemed to know what was going on! hmm As soon as DS2 appeared on the screen he was saying 'baby' & 'wow'!
DS2 is completely average again! The flow through the cord is 'perfect' & he's currently weighing about 5lb, 10oz which is apparently very acceptable for this stage. In less than an hour he'd moved from having his back on my right (according to the mw) where it usually is to having it on the left. I didn't notice any large movements! Weird! He has a foot by his face which would explain why I keep getting sharp jabs in my side! He better not try & keep that foot by his face on the way out! He also has hair! She made a point of commenting that he had a lot of hair on top & showed me the fuzziness! grin It didn't occur to me that they could identify hair on the scan!

Am off to eat all of the hundreds of chocolatey things DH bought me last night. Must start gaining weight - all these scans are costing a fortune in parking! wink

Lorelei353 Fri 10-May-13 13:31:34

Sounds great Jojo. Can't believe they could tell you he has hair! So cute and amazing and fun. Nice to get another little bit of reassurance.

Glad the growth scan went well Jo. Dairy, carbs and potatoes make for good baby-growing tools (as it's what's we tell mums to avoid if they have a history of big babes).

Wow Lor! Our first confirmation of an engaged little one minus my little crazy who moves up and down in the lettuce isle. A big step for a first-timer. Exciting!

I'm not term until a week from Monday...although I don't think she's coming anytime soon. I have absolutely no pre-labor signs and I'm still feeling pretty okay with being pregnant, which I very clearly remember changes dramatically when labor is imminent for me. grin

Kitty I hope your sleep starts getting better sad That's not fun at all.

Ahh Jojo glad all well with him, I got told dd had alot of hair at 4d scan although its the b &w scan they see it on like little white lines but dd1 had loads so we thought she might, I'd like an acceptable baby last fri they estimated dd at 6lb9 which is fine if she comes soon, I don't want a 10lber lol
Chocolate must be the answer grin
I keep telling dd2 to come tonight let's see if she does as she's told wink ( I've just bought some raspberry leaf capsules to feel like I'm doing something though )

Jojobump1986 Fri 10-May-13 17:11:22

Have you got a birth ball kitty? Bounce the baby out! grin I bought an exercise ball from Argos recently. Just their value one. It does the job & DS loves rolling it around the living room & is most put out if I dare to sit on it!

Sooo... Lots of chocolate biscuits then bring? They've got dairy and carbs! wink

Yeah my dd is the same keeps running up going bounce bounce for me to sit her on and bounce up and down grin
Also been to aqua natel, lots of jumps lol

Jojobump1986 Fri 10-May-13 17:34:43

DS panics if I try & sit him on it! It's only good for rolling around or picking up & dropping so it bounces! He can barely stretch his little arms wide enough to pick it up though. Tis v funny watching him chasing it across the room trying to get hold of it! grin

Librarina Fri 10-May-13 17:44:01

My belly button popped out today.

That's all I have to say about that.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Fri 10-May-13 17:49:10

Oh I can't keep my dds off mine. Although dd's occupational therapist always brings one out at her appointments, so it's got 2 uses.

This little guy seems to be popping in and out today, definately high this morning, but seems to have dropped back down again now. What is he playing at? Think he might be backing up for a running start...
At least I can be certain that he will be out within the next 5 weeks.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Fri 10-May-13 18:06:45

Aaaahhh angry if dH asks me one more time of I've had any niggles I think I might actually kill him.

Mine is the same frus, was definatly lower after aqua natal felt quite uncomfy low then seems to have risen again
grin At libs belly button, did it just go pop?! Mine is too deep to pop out but the old piercing hole that was in it is now an inch below shock yes if really is that deep!!

angry Yes dh desperate for me to save him from tonight's late shift!
He and my sister drove me mad by ringing alternate house and mobile earlier - why? because I didn't answer - why? Because I was trying to have a nap before picking dd up!!!
angryangryangry They thought something might have happened ( I'm really not sure what they thought could happen to me? If I went into labour I'm sure I'd have time to make one phonecall!)

Oh man, and so the phone calls have begun! My mum called last night and just said "So, how are you?" Fine mum, I haven't had the baby and forgot to tell you, pay attention woman, I'm not due for another 5 weeks! I'm actually due the same day my sister is graduating from high school, so I'm sure my mom would know that day at least. Even the cleaning lady called DH this morning to check to see if she would see a baby when same came around today (she only comes once a month, so I guess I can forgive her). I would be pretty livid to have all those people calling you in the middle of a nap! That's a good way to really piss off a pregnant woman....

Hahaha I can't believe your notDh is asking you if you're going into labor, frus. Wouldn't they be the last ones to be paying that much attention?

Getting rib kicks atm. Super fun. DH was actually being very dear today after he saw that my boys have sucked (and licked clean) my patience cup today and offered to take them out for cheeseburgers. He's got a slight cold that's left his voice useless so working as a salesman on the phone isn't going well for him today, but man I'm loving it! 1 whole hr to re-fill my cup in preparation for the afternoon. Love that guy most of the time

So the award for best dh of the day goes to bring! It's so nice when you get an unexpected break
Yes I was pretty livid with the rings - ill add it was one after another as soon as it stoped it started again until I gave in and got up so no shut eye at all and back to having dd all day on my own over the weekend hmmplus to make matters worse dd hasn't had a nap at nursery ( this is my 2 hour little girl) so when I picked her up was falling asleep repeatedly at 5:30 and crying because I was trying to keep her awake had to put her to bed without a bath in the end

Oh man. It's so hard to keep a crabby kid awake so that you can put them to bed at a normal time. Not fun! Hope the weekend goes ok for you.

Librarina Sat 11-May-13 06:28:54

Boo hiss to people phoning incessantly, are they just a bit stupid?

I particularly hate phones. My answer phone message is basically 'Don't leave me a message cos I won't call you back'. I'm going to unplug the phone, and the doorbell too.

Woken up pretty grumpy today. Supposed to be going to preggo Yoga then for a swim but I'm feeling so lazy, however I know if I go, I'll feel better. Can't decide anything at the moment.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 11-May-13 07:17:52

I'm not getting phone calls yet, but that might have been helped by not giving anyone an exact date grin my mum keeps sending random texts which is winding my up just as much, I'm sure she's playing the "not directly asking" game.

Lib i hate phones aswell, hate having to speak to people, im definatly a texter! id go the class, you always do feel better after!
Didn't fall asleep till 2 again <sob> dd up at 6 feeling really blue today, can't describe but really not myself at all, feel like I'm just a moaning Minnie at the moment hmm

Librarina Sat 11-May-13 08:14:36

If you're a moaning Minnie kitty then I'm one too. Just found out (thanks to a late night email from a colleage) that work have messed up my Mat leave cover. I'd originally planned to finish yesterday, but they didn't get round to advertising my job (only internally), so candidates were interviewed yesterday. So I agreed to stay on until Monday so I could briefly hand over to the new person. I found out who got the job and they are very good and I'm happy to leave things in their hands.

It turns out (at 4pm on Friday) that someone was left out off the global email which advertised my post, they want to go for it so the whole recruitment process has to be done again. It's ridiculous.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 11-May-13 08:22:21

Oh that's shit lib

That's rediculous!
Well it's not your problem lib, don't feel obliged to stay as who knows how long it will take and it's not your fault, you can always go in for a couple of days at a later date as a keep in touch day but only if you want to!!

Jojobump1986 Sat 11-May-13 11:02:21

Definitely not your problem Lib. Don't let them convince you to stay longer. You deserve a rest. They'll figure it out!

I'm in soooo much pain! I stupidly carried DS from the car park to the assessment unit for the scan yesterday while marching as quickly as I could. I was surprised that it didn't make me feel bad at the time but now my pelvis feels broken & my back is aching! I was convinced I was going into labour last night. I could actually feel where DS2 was pressing against my pelvic bone & it was agony every time he squirmed! Duvet day today I think! DH is going to take DS out for a walk this morning so I can rest. So not getting out of bed!

Ooh that sounds frustrating Lib! Work politics....<shakes head>

Have you tried a heating pad or hot water bottle on the sore area at all Jo? Maybe see if DH could give you a massage? Nice that he's getting the little one out of the house for a bit so you can rest. Hope it feels better soon for you! sad

Oh just managed a little nap thank god in heaven, felt so sick all day just really nauseous, < prays I'm not tossing and turning all night >

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 11-May-13 21:44:27

Glad you managed a nap kitty

I do hope I'm not tossing and turning all night, I'm so tired, and now I'm lying down I'm being beaten up too. This little one is practicing karate by the feel of it. mind you he could well be an octopus

Night ladies.

Urgh. <<Begin rant>> Sleeping past 4:45 am just wasn't on the agenda for today didn't help that dh was snoring like a hog and had really bad breath. Today is going to be a really long day....Dh is working on our USA version of Mother's Day (thanks hun) so I've got the boys until midday. Then we are heading to the Twins baseball game in the freezing cold and windy weather. Hips are sore from sleeping on them despite the acupuncture I got last week (which worked for a little while) and if I get 1 comment about my belly, due date, or # of children today I might either deck them or start crying probably both.

Hope you all are having a better weekend than me!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 12-May-13 13:23:05

I dont think i can beat that bring I actually slept okay, DH didn't since i was apparantly the one snoring grin

Dd2 is being a stroppy pants as per normal and is seeing how far she can push her luck.
I have period cramps.
But I do have a nice stash of icelollys in the freezer, so all is not bleak.

Oh and my hands smell very strongly of rosemary.
I tidied up the bush/tree/jungle that was our rather large rosemary bush. It was a tiny cutting that we pilfered from a public flower bed somewhere about 5 years ago, and before I attacked it it was taking up a space well over a metre squared. I dont feel at all guilty for massacring it since its very hardy, and nothing seems to knock it back.
But boy do I stink of the stuff now. I'd better be careful I'm not mistaken for a lamb roast.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 12-May-13 13:24:13

Ps, bring you definitely need to take over the space you have your eye on for herbs and flowers.

ooooOooh period cramps are exciting!

I do have the plot all confirmed and DH knows he's gotta do some digging today after the game grin. There are some old plants that need some back put into to get out so I'm out of that job!

Both boys are DOING MY HEAD IN. Fighting with each other, tattling on each other when one of them eventually gets hurt, not listening, complaining, whining, Happy Mother's Day to me

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 12-May-13 15:40:31

Bring you need to put them in a warm bath with a bubble blowing machine. Mine will stay put for at least an hour now. grin

Cramps would be exciting if it wasn't the 3rd day of it, and constant rather than regular <yawn> although I am currently feeling a rather odd twingey feeling in my fanjo.

If you didn't have dodgy hips bring I'd say get digging. <completely irresponsible me> but saying that despite my escapades in the garden, nothing in mine has required any digging, and planting out pots doesn't count when you can did the hole by hand.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 12-May-13 15:59:48

Actually starting to feel a bit more like my "normal" period cramps now. I have endometriosis, and usually have lovely strong pain killers

Might kick the dds out of the bath. Oh I wish I could take paracetamol. (Stuffing allergy angry ) If I have a bath will it stop everything again? I don't want to stop things if they are starting.

If they are starting I don't think anything will stop it frus, if it is just general aches and pains better to be without them!
Mum and dad have been my saviour today, dh not in from work till 7am then in again at 6 so I've dd all day on my own and still feel sicky and headachey, was sick at miday but they took her out for a few hours for me to rest, so grateful to then as felt so blue again today, cried last night because there was a little girl who looked like I'd imagine dd to in a few years ( yes that's all) then crying this morning because goodness know why? Just feeling so emotional which isn't like me at all I'm not a cryer ever really, anyway I hope it lifts because I feel really useless at the moment, a bad mother and frustrated that I can't get everything I want done went to bed at 7:30 last night without tea, again not like me.... It's like morning sickness all over I've still had pains in fanjo and head feel very low and uncomfy ( realising just how good I had it last time hmm)
Please block me so I don't make you all hate me with my moans before its too late

We don't hate you kitty It's comforting to know that we're not the only ones smile The hormones are just the worst at the end! So glad that you're getting some mum and dad help!!

Bath sounds like a good idea. Kitty is right, if it's the real deal- a bath won't stop anything but it will help you relax so that it could progress more quickly. If it's aches and pains, it'll help you feel relaxed and slow things down.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 12-May-13 18:24:15

Still have period cramps, and still a constant ache rather than anything obviously productive. (Do know the period cramps are doing something, but still)

kitty if you can't moan here where can you moan. And you sound close to the end.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 12-May-13 19:25:40

Anyone else got that impatient pacing feeling? or is it just my anxiety

I think it's the same feeling I had last Monday. I'm going to go mad if I feel like this for the next 3 weeks.

But the end of what frus wink
I hear you Hun, me and you are so close arnt we only 2 days between due dates, I swear my body is only built for 37wk babies it feels like its trying to push its way out but at the same time I couldn't say I feel it's imminent iyswim
Bloody hormones! Oh and mums starting every morning convo with its not started yet...... No mum as I need you to have dd I guess not!!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 12-May-13 20:44:16

Oh how frustrating kitty. I'm ignoring my mum, but she's not directly asking yet might have something to do with not giving her an actual date it must be so much more frustrating when it's someone that will be top of the call list before baby is born.

Aren't you supposed to get all tears and hormonal before labour? <spouts bull> actually I have no idea. wink

I bet you're all going to beat me and have snuggly babies and I'll still be here in 5weeks feeling huge and envy.

As official most pregnant on the thread at the moment I do reserve the right to have baby first if not I may have to go on a killing spree
Frus not sure if the hormonal is a sign wasn't last time but as it works in my favour this time I'm going to say yes please grin

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 12-May-13 20:54:35

What's your date kitty? I can't remember.

Jojobump1986 Sun 12-May-13 20:55:38

<Hugs> for kitty!

I get that impatient feeling too Frus. Especially at night when I'm lying in bed but not falling asleep. I feel like a caged animal half the time. That usually culminates in me feeling so frustrated that I burst into tears for no apparent reason! blush I nearly cried earlier because we ran out of baking powder. Bicarb did the job perfectly well but it wasn't right! I nearly sent DH to the shop to get more but he'd only just got back from buying the eggs I'd forgotten to put on the list. I was so on edge anyway that I had to try really hard to stop myself declaring that dinner was ruined & just going to bed! Hormones are ridiculous!

I didn't get a proper nap this afternoon. I wanted to do a couple of things first & then DS woke up early & crying & I had to look after him while DH did a few things. I did fall asleep on the sofa for 10 mins while supposedly supervising him but now I feel like I haven't slept for days!

I'm also getting period pains & being poked in several places. I mentioned this to DH & his first response was a super helpful comment about what it must be like with twins! hmm I'm getting heartburn & seemingly endless BHs too. I just want it to be over already! That said, I'm going to miss being pregnant when it's over! confused

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 12-May-13 21:02:52

Up until about 2 weeks ago, I think I quite liked the bump, I'm just so tired now.
A bit like being back at school at the end of the summer holidays, when you've had a great time, but know you have to go back to school, and secretly you're bored and want to see your friends.

(How's that for a random simile?)

29th may frus 2 days before you no?
Thanks Jojo
Also tmi but just had bout of dioreah I know that's a "sign" but also as have felt yucky for the last few days could be a "sign" for bug also
Baby's head feels so low though that its actually between legs yes I'm sure I'm exaggerating but actually uncomfy to sit up even on the toilet!
Mind it's pretty uncomfy to do anything at the mo, sorry you've got the hormone attack too Jojo hmm

Oh but if I went into labour tonight it would be reminiciant dds birth, dh on nights on my own lol

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 12-May-13 21:19:18

Yeah, you're ahead of me. I will try not to get too envy if you pop before me.

Maybe we've got an attack of the impatient hormones, and have weeks to go, despite all of our symptoms? It's like the 2ww all over again...
I got all excited earlier because I thought I had a twinge that made me say ouch, and then it happened again, and I realised that I was just being punched v hard in the bladder. blush you'd think that by dc3 I might know the difference between labour and a punch. grin

jojo it's like a caged tiger pacing.

Jojobump1986 Sun 12-May-13 21:42:38

I've given up on life! I went through the caged-animal phase earlier & have now collapsed on the sofa with ice cream. DH has had to take over my bread making duties which I usually love to do. I don't want him to do it but he'll have nothing for lunch tomorrow if he doesn't! I'm still sulking though. Bread is my thing & his won't be as good & he keeps wandering into the room checking the instructions I just gave him. He's planning to use the Kenwood to knead the dough for precisely 5 minutes. It should be done by hand until it feels right. Troglodyte. If he 'checks' one more instruction within 2 minutes of being told what he should be doing then I might throw something at him. The only thing within reach is my ice cream though & I need that! Grrrrrrr! I'm beginning to feel caged again! Probably the sugar in the ice cream kicking in! blush

Jojobump1986 Sun 12-May-13 21:59:55

For goodness sake! He's not even bothered to look at the recipe I've carefully written out in my book, he's just wandering in & out asking what to do next! I'd told him to use 150ml of the water for getting the yeast going & now somehow it's my fault that he didn't know that there needed to be a total of 300ml! Am I a walking recipe book now as well as an incubator for his spawn?!

He just summoned me because he wasn't sure what it was supposed to look like... It reminds me of lumpy wallpaper paste. Why he can't just buy something for lunch on his way in is beyond me! angry

Jojobump1986 Sun 12-May-13 22:19:32

I'm in bed now & Mr Wallpaper-Paste is under strict instructions not to bother me so I might calm down now! blush I'll probably crash in a few minutes after the sugar rush & hopefully I can get to sleep before I start feeling caged again! This is all reminding me of when I had depression & felt slightly unhinged most of the time! I just want to feel normal again! Hmph!

Lol, oh jo that SO sounds exactly like what dh would be like if I asked him to make something for me instead of me cooking it. I get so frustrated b/c it's like if I wanted to go over all of the instructions on how to do it, I would have just done it myself! Use your brain and figure the damn thing out yourself old man.

Frus I'm feeling your pain (literally) Walking around is not comfortable and I definitely was waddling around the baseball stadium after dh paraded us around determined to find better seats, which didn't happen as we still froze our asses off

Have you tried doing some yoga with the caged animal feeling at all? Just a few in and out breaths combined with simple stretching or moving around might help. Or even just doing some intentional breathing exercises can help settle the feeling too. Hope your evening went better after you were able to get away for a bit.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 13-May-13 00:30:07

I can't sleep sad My tummy hurts. <sounds like a 5yo>

sad sorry Frus.

Jojobump1986 Mon 13-May-13 04:06:11

I can't sleep. My tummy hurts every time I lay down & when I sit up I burp! blush Rennies & sips of water for me!

Hope you're sound asleep now Frus... Well, that or in labour! wink

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 13-May-13 05:13:05

Morning jojo <waves sleepily> I've decided to get up. I've "slept" v fitfully all night, actually I don't think I've had more than an hour at a stretch, if that the period cramp feeling has got worse, and is going into my lower back. And despite paracetamol not having a good effect on me, I've had some calpol. And am considering waking up the entire house by having a bath. would that be too selfish?
And despite the fact that I don't know if I am in labour or not, as I haven't been timing for patterns, I think I might tell DH to stay home today, because at least then I can get him to take me up maternity later, and they can hook me up and monitor whether I am having contractions or not. --or whether I just have endo period cramps from hell. Which is how I feel at the moment. Ugh.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 13-May-13 06:28:13

Well the bath didn't do anything.

No baby made an appearance for me overnight either hmm lol
I did had a reasonable nights sleep though but probably because I've got the bed to myself!
Sorry to hear you havnt frus hmm that's what my nights have been like recently, maybe it would be best to get checked out
Jojo there's no way my dh would have attempted making bread when he could drive to the shop, typical bloke though not reading instructions then it being your faultangry
Bring did you manage to have any treat for Mother's Day that was actually a treat and something nice??

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 13-May-13 07:11:49

Ooh it's back into the back. Just gonna wait until the triage opens, and phone them.
I've sent DH to work. It's not as though he can't come home if I need him to.

Glad you finally slept okay kitty

Jojobump1986 Mon 13-May-13 08:10:52

Really hoping this is the beginning of labour for you Frus! It's one thing to be in pain during labour but it just seems cruel for you to be in pain when it's not actually encouraging the baby out! sad

After being specifically told not to bother me, Mr Wallpaper-Paste came up to tell me that the bread was cooking too fast & then again when it was out to let me know it was bumpy on the top! hmm I managed to avoid throwing things at him... just!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 13-May-13 08:33:32

Did you manage to refrain from throttling him jojo or should we start planning your defence case?

Period like cramps have vanished. Which is probably just as we'll because they were annoying me. Just irregular pains now.
Something is happening, I just don't know what. lol
Guess I'm going to have another false alarm Monday.

Oh it's so frustrating isn't it, I really thought things might happen last night as so many twinges etc but now baby's head feels like its lifted again, on a good note my depression and sicky feeling also seems to have gone which I'm pleased about, have been able to clean again this morning yeaygrin but worried that means labour not imminent at all boo
Jojo I'd have thrown the bread at him, if it had fine him damage it would only be because it was too hard and therefore his fault wink

Jojobump1986 Mon 13-May-13 09:17:45

I was too tired to care by the time it came out of the oven! It's... interesting...! Looks like a carefully sculpted choppy sea scene on top! I don't think I could get it like that if I tried... My bread is usually bread-shaped! wink It is edible though so that's something at least!

sad I'm sorry you're having niggles with little result. I don't want to sound like the patronizing midwife, but every contraction at this point does do something even if it's not full-blown labor yet. You could be effacing, dilating, getting baby into a good position, bringing him down lower.... all of these things are good and your body knows what it's doing its just the trusting it and waiting part that's realllllllllly hard!

Dh was very sweet when he got home from work. He brought some starbucks (YUM) and got the kids off my back for a bit while I got ready for the baseball game. It was really nice just being with my boys (all 3 of them) and the little ones had a lot of fun. I was positively exhausted so slept really well and yeah....just got the crazy kids for the day today and I'm hoping we make to the end of the day without someone being sent to their room.

Just laughing about the bread, Jo as my bread tends to turn out wonky all the time

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 13-May-13 15:06:29

I know it's doing something bring I just went wham into contractions last 2 times, so finding it hard to be patient. whilst knowing full well that there's nothing I can actually do to hurry it up but at least I can be safe in the knowledge that the more my body does now the less It has to do later.

I am so tired though <yawn>

Lorelei353 Mon 13-May-13 15:57:02

So many little niggles and twinges etc. going on with you all. So exciting. I'm definitely not ready for that yet but don't think I'm that close anyway. Got MW appt tomorrow so hoping to hear that baby is on the way to being engaged (I'm fairly sure it is, given the changes in my bump) and still head down (which, again, I'm fairly sure it is).

Finish work tomorrow. TOMORROW! Can't wait. So uncomfortable getting to work these days.

Lib your comment about your belly button made me laugh so hard. My DH is really squeamish about 'outies'. I have a really deep innie so have been hoping it'll stay in, and so far it has but it's got very small and shallow and is totally freaking DH out grin.

Yeay lor how exciting to be finishing work, it is another milestone!!
I have a very deep inney and its never popped so at this stage you'll probably be ok!
I actual felt close to labour yesterday but today like a different person?! I guess it's better to atleast feel human and brighter but was looking forward to meeting the new arrival, my mw app is wed so maybe find out abit more
Had another feel for cervix bring but couldn't find it or too high, does that mean I've got abit of waiting to do

Ahhh yes, the elusive cervix. Honestly it all can change so quickly in terms of position and how open it is (I've seen mums go from a 5 to pushing in less than an hour) that I feel more confident with watching mum's behavior in labor and other external signs rather than focus on what I can feel with my own hands. I wish I had an answer for you. It could be dilated to a 4 right now and off to the side so you're not feeling it. You could always ask your midwife hubby to check for you as well if you really want to know.

Hahahaha Lor your husband would hate my bellybutton grin. It's an outie all the time and it looks especially like a nose when I'm pregnant. Now it's just all completely stretched out and sorta flat!

Whattya think about seducing your dh Frus for some nudging your body along? wink Acupuncture? Reflexology? Massage? Those are all also good ones for getting things going.

Jojobump1986 Mon 13-May-13 17:19:36

My belly button looks like it's been glued shut!

I was just about to suggest DTD too, Frus! I keep telling DH we should get an '^early night^ wink' but he just laughs! Probably something to do with him knowing I'm not entirely serious... I've told him that he put DS2 in there so it's his responsibility to get him out!

It'd be more convenient if he stayed put until a week from Saturday though - I've got a keeping-in-touch day booked that could be quite lucrative & would be easier to do without a newborn in tow! I suppose if he is here before then I can use him to lure people over: "Look at the tiny baby, now buy some books!" grin

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 13-May-13 17:31:55

jojo and bring he'll be lucky! I feel like a beached whale, seduction is definitely NOT on the cards, that's why I'm in the mess in the first place. wink
An early night one the other hand sounds appealing... Zzzzzzz wink

Oh, no, I hear ya. I think anything sounds more appealing than that these days. Although I promised DH he could once we hit 37 wks. damn

Got to say frus I'm with you on that one, seduction just isn't worth it unless it guarantees me labour wink I may try a bout of acupuncture though
Bring I think I am an all change very quickly type, I was quick with dd my mum went in 10cm dialated without me without knowing and dsis 2nd labour was 45 mins from 1cm dialated eek
On a make everyone else feel better note I have got piles hmm in the last few days, not too bad but I guess only to get worse with pushing hmmhmm see my body doesn't do pregnancy after 37wks, it all goes wrong!!!!!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 13-May-13 18:33:30

Join the club kitty <rolls eyes> Kleenex moist wipes <ahh sigh> is all I am saying on that matter.

Thank you for the tip - not a happy bunny!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 13-May-13 19:57:37

Take it back, they're Andrex ones. (And theyre puppies not bunnies grin )

Jojobump1986 Mon 13-May-13 19:58:16

I've found having a teaspoon of coconut oil in my hot chocolate every night makes things much <ahem> easier & helps avoid such issues! Tastes like liquid bounty! grin

I couldn't eat my dinner tonight because it wasn't an orange lolly. hmm

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 13-May-13 20:00:03

How about some varicose veins where you don't want them? Now they're attractive. although they do go away very quickly afterwards

Managed to avoid that at the minute frus not counting chickens though!
Ohh Jojo I wish I'd known that earlier as when I was at work had a hot choc every day, seems maybe abit late now.... I'd probably but it tomoz and go into labour that night lol
now you know if I don't itl be 2wjs over I have got some hazelnut oil, do you think that's work?

Witch hazel works wonders for healing and soothing them as well. You should be able to find it in liquid form and you can soak make-up remover pads with it and use that as a wipe. Also eating a lot of berries (the bioflavoinoids in them) and drinking nettle tea helps to strengthen the vein walls which should help the piles (and varicose veins) heal quickly after the birth. Counter-pressure in the area with a warm washcloth during pushing helps so they don't get too bad too.

Wow kitty those are quick labors!

Great idea with coconut oil, jo! Plus it's just so healthy for you anyway.

Thanks bring, I think ill get some tomorrow, like the idea of the washcloth but can't imagine for one second dh thinks he's signed up for that, for better or worse it may have been but I think that one really would be pushing the boundaries of acceptable !!confused
Yes very quick and not always great ( no time for drugs lol) dsis said she couldn't even say how painful it was to go that quick, it was as soon as they broke her waters she couldn't even put the gas and air in her mouth , shed always thought people that screemed were abit exaggerating but she said that was her lol

Jojobump1986 Mon 13-May-13 22:09:27

Nettle tea seems to give me heartburn & BHs & make the baby hiccup! confused It's the yummiest herbal tea I've found though & makes a nice alternative to milky hot drinks. I've got dandelion & fennel teas sitting in the cupboard but haven't got round to trying them yet. I rather scared myself by researching which ones were ok in pregnancy & found a website that basically implied that you shouldn't eat/drink anything ever because nothing had been sufficiently tested! hmm

Lorelei353 Mon 13-May-13 22:31:18

I think I found those same sites Jojo. I drank loads of v yummy herbal teas before being pregnant but got scared off them during pregnancy.

No varicose veins or piles here but do have a lot of fanjo pain so hoping veins don't develop.

Lorelei353 Mon 13-May-13 23:19:40

Hmm. I have a small sore patch at the top right of my bump. It feels bruised b if I I touch it. What might that be? Muscle strain? I didn't bang it or hurt myself there.

Haha, I hope you know I meant pushing during childbirth...which the midwife could help you out with if DH isn't up for the job wink

Dandelion and fennel are both ok for pregnancy. Dandelion is a diuretic though, so I'd watch how much you're taking in along with how much water you're drinking. Fennel is great if you have an upset stomach or trapped wind!

Sounds v familiar Lor Usually I get it if baby has been pushing on the same spot for a few hours.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 14-May-13 09:42:09

lor I get that too. And like bring I put it down to baby kicking me repeatedly in the same place

I slept last night! Woo! well between dd waking me up every couple of hours, but I can live with that

Why would we want to be drinking raspberry leaf tea? I can't remember, but I have some in my cupboard, do I want to be drinking it?

I didn't hmm it seems only one of us can sleeper night frus!
Raspberry leaf tea is said by some to incourage labour but think its surposed to strengthen cervix and make contractions better or something

Librarina Tue 14-May-13 10:22:02

I was told that orgasms serve the same function as Raspbery Leaf Tea, and are a lot more fun!

So, I have one meeting today at 2 in town, then I'm officially on Mat Leave. I'm celebrating by volunteering at a launch event for a massive local arts festival then going to see a very cool comedian/storyteller at the theatre. I think I'm going to like being off!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 14-May-13 10:45:27

You have my sympathy kitty, cramps or just not comfortable enough to sleep? sad
We could take it in turns, that way at least 1 of us will get 1 good night sleep a week.

Ow ow ow, I just walked into the wash basket. Have a lovely bruise already coming up on my shin, and seem to have hit my elbow (on what I don't know) in the same place as when I fell down the stairs, and now my elbow and wrist hurt.
And all I was trying to do was arrange mum and baby toiletries in various useful locations around the house.

Now that sounds like a good way to celebrate mat leave lib

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 14-May-13 11:25:18

I have m/w in a bit. What's the chances, if I beg her and whinge enough she'll give me a sweep?
nah, I didn't think she would either, but always worth a try

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 14-May-13 12:45:36

M/w checked my dates and laughed when I asked for a sweep. hmm Darn it. Guess I'll have to wait a few more weeks then.

Eek. I have to go to day assessment later. Bp 120/96. confused I get to be hooked up for 40mins to be monitored.

Jojobump1986 Tue 14-May-13 13:07:52

Maybe they'll suggest induction to be on the safe side! wink Hope all is ok though! Let us know how it goes!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 14-May-13 13:09:29

Guess it'll all depends on whether my bp goes down.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 14-May-13 13:17:37

Trying not to think about it. Which isn't working.

Say if i was in the early stages of a slow labour, would that send my bp up? Trying to figure out what would send it up (other than preE)

It went up a few weeks back not this high and went back down again, but I was seriously anxious and stressed at the time. Which I'm not now. So slightly puzzled by it.
I did have a migrane aura without the headache 9 days ago, and my feet swell up in the evenings, but both of those are pretty normal for me or late pregnancy.

Lorelei353 Tue 14-May-13 13:29:10

Hope your bp is okay Frus, although a cheeky early induction would be good!

I had mw this morning too. All good with me. Baby's now 3/5 engaged so head looks like it's going to stay snuggly down (thanks baby). Going over birth 'plan' with mw too. Very weird. I mentioned that I didn't want Pethidine and she laughed and asked was that because of what the NCT told me (it is). confused.

Rolled into work at about 11.45 for last day! So far have been given two bunches of flowers and an enormous cake of a stork with a baby. A friend in work's sister makes cupcakes and cakes as a business so did it for me - and totally nut-free too (I have a potentially fatal allergy).

Jojobump1986 Tue 14-May-13 13:31:15

Even if it is pre-E they'll have caught it really early & be able to monitor you. It's probably normal for your blood pressure to rise towards the end as the pregnancy is putting extra strain on your body. Getting frustrated about incorrect appointment times won't be helping either! wink Try not to stress too much! Did they check your urine? They got iffy about finding a tiny amount of protein in mine last time despite my bp being low! I'm sure it'll all be fine! Maybe pop your hospital bag in the car, just incase though!

RRL tea is considered a uterine tonic and is supposed to strengthen and tone the uterus, making labor shorter and more efficient. Plus it's FULL of micronutrients, minerals and vitamins that are great for pregnancy.

Frus have you had enough water today? Sometimes dehydration can cause a higher BP reading. You're right, sometimes labor does cause BP to go up too, but it's more often in the later stages. Drink a LOT of water before you head back in to get it checked. Eating cucumbers and watermelon are also good for lowering BP. You can always ask to wait to get your BP checked until the end of the appointment as well as walking around can cause it to go up, especially if you're nervous about getting your BP checked wink.

Good news on the engaged babe, Lor! And very cute cake! <<now I'm craving cake at 7:45 in the morning>>

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 14-May-13 13:46:06

Unfortunately lor this little one has popped back up to 2/5, but m/w says totally normal for subsequent pregnancies. But he seems to pop in and out on a daily basis.

Wee came back normal. after missing the pot and weeing over my hand on 3 separate occasions this morning blush

Lorelei353 Tue 14-May-13 13:49:33

Isn't morning cake cravings what blueberry muffins were invented for trumpets?

Frus I feel your pain. Peeing in those tiny pots is quite a skill

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 14-May-13 13:51:49

M/w took it at start and again at end of app. And from what I gather I'll be hooked up for about 40mins at dau, for them to get an average reading.

I don't know if I've had enough water bring I don't think I've drank any different today.

Ps, cake at 7.45 in the morning is definitely recommended. wink

Well, I'm heading off to the shops to finish the shopping that I abandoned yesterday when my two kids went psycho so wah-hey! I'll go get a chocolate muffin grin Nice suggestion Lor! <mwahaha, and I don't have to share with littles today!>

Meep! Midwives coming over tonight. So much to do today, I'm gonna be pooped out by the time they get here. Oh, and now it's supposed to be 94 degrees here today. We had snow on the ground 2 wks ago! Minnesota weather is having some serious mood swings these days. hmm

Good news there wasn't any proteinuria, Frus. Hope monitoring goes well for you. This is usually totally benign, try to relax (easier said than done, I know.)

I wouldn't worry frus, I've had protein in wee twice and it's been fine, I think it'd be a cumulative of all signs plus more common if you've had it before aswell? Hope it goes ok though and don't panic or it will be high wink
Oh and isn't 2/5th engaged more then 3/5ths? I thought it was the lower the number the more you are?
Gutted she laughed at your suggestion of a sweep frus was half tempted to do the same tomorrow lol
I didn't sleep for no reason just tossing and turning again till 2 hmm
Sounds like a great last day lor, is that us all official on mat leave now then?
So far today been for 30 length swim and walking around Trafford centre, bump feeling very tight lol

Lorelei353 Tue 14-May-13 15:59:01

According to my notes 2/5 is more engaged than 3/5 alright. Mine is slowly progressing down (it was 4/5 at last appt.). Slow is fine for me at this point though. At 36+2 and for a first baby, I can wait a little longer.

The cake is chocolate sponge inside. SO good.

Jojobump1986 Tue 14-May-13 16:20:30

It depends on whether they're talking about how engaged the head is or how much is palpable. At my last appt he was 3/5 palp, so 2/5 engaged. The more of the head that is palpable, the less engaged he is. I think they phrase it differently in different areas, just to confuse us!

Lorelei353 Tue 14-May-13 16:29:44

Ah, that makes sense. I've been looking at the printed notes in my green file and according to that measurement 3/5 is less engaged than 2/5 so I'm assuming that's the way my midwife is recording it. I guess for me it's in the middle anyway!

We don't regularly use those measurements in the States so I could be completely backwards, but I thought it was how many finger-breadths the head could be felt above the pubic bone? So the lower the fraction, the more engaged the baby is (due to more of the head being in the pelvis)? So, yeah, Jo I think we're thinking of the same thing. The good news for Lor is that the head isn't "floating" (ie 5/5) meaning there is plenty of room in your pelvis for a tiny little baby head! yay! smile

This kiddo is completely out of my pelvis and off to one side in the morning when I wake up, and then I can barely feel her head b/c it's so far down by the time I go to bed at night, so she's just all over the place. Midwives tonight, so we'll see what they say!

Oh, I got a chocolate brownie. It was DELISH.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 14-May-13 17:28:28

Mmm chocolate brownie. I'm off to find food.

This little one is definitely more out than engaged.

Well I'm off the machine, bp is okay, do appear to be contracting though. Which had to be pointed out to me, and i still questioned it as i didnt think they werent really hurting enough, she said "they will" So fx it won't be much longer anyway. just have to hang around now for blood test results, since the m/w noticed me scratching. If it's not one thing it's another with me

Jojobump1986 Tue 14-May-13 17:37:32

Good grief, we're not allowed to scratch now?! Glad your bp is looking good & the painless contractions sound promising! Fx things start moving along now!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 14-May-13 17:48:59

Well I don't have preE. But I do have the scratchy thing. Waiting for the doctor. Looks like I may well get an induction.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 14-May-13 17:49:47

Ps, no jojo we're not allowed to scratch.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 14-May-13 18:04:09

obstetric cholestasis. hmm would also explain the knackeredness.

Jojobump1986 Tue 14-May-13 18:12:13

Eep! I knew excessive itching could be a sign of it but I know nothing beyond that! Is it really serious enough for them to induce? Something to do with the liver not working properly, isn't it?

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 14-May-13 18:16:11

Mw said they induce because of it between 37&39 weeks. I knew I was itching but I didn't think it was that bad. Although now she's sad it I can't stop scratching.
Yeah something to do with the liver and bile, and a risk to baby, and it goes within a week of baby being born. Past that I have no idea.

Jojobump1986 Tue 14-May-13 18:18:44

So are they suggesting induction now or will they monitor for a while?

That's what I was tested for frus as had it last time and both my mum and sis had it, it's very rare especially if you've not had it before in other pregnancys, yes they always induce as they don't know of the dangers of leaving baby in but aside from that you will have nothing else at this stage, if you had it earlier you get vitamin k, have they said you've definatly got it? The bile acids take 3/4 days to get back here which is what they go on usually as to when to induce, they still usually like to wait til 38wks but if you are contracting anyway who knows what they will suggest, high bp isn't a sign of it though we all have very low, the itching is usually hands and feet and more at night, mine were driving me crazy last night do will have to be tested again tomoz but its quite common to go into labour spontaneously and early anyway ( oh and usual quick!)

Jojobump1986 Tue 14-May-13 18:59:23

This website says the risks of not inducing aren't well documented. You could challenge their instance on induction... Unless you want to get on & meet your baby! grin

Holy wow, Frus! That's definitely a complication. How are you feeling with all of this sudden news? What is the plan from here on out?

Jojobump1986 Tue 14-May-13 19:52:19

Frus, everything ok?

Lorelei353 Tue 14-May-13 19:55:57

Hey frus that's a lot to take in. Hope you're. Feeling ok

Jojobump1986 Tue 14-May-13 21:04:35

Fennel tea is yummy! I'd never tried herbal teas before this pregnancy but now I'm really enjoying the odd cup of nettle tea & v occasionally a chamomile & honey. I shall be adding fennel tea to my list. I might even go so far as to alternate it with nettle tea as my evening hot drink! This is a big deal for me. I like my routine!

Any news Frus? Am starting to worry! Hope you're ok!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 14-May-13 22:18:26

Hello. Sorry I was suffering from dead battery. In maternity, (got to go home and arrange child are etc) induction apparantly is booked for tomorrow morning, but at least I will get a semi decent nights sleep tonight not woken up by dd anyway

Yup blood results definitely show it. Over the 0-10 markers. Our hospital has a bloods lab (But not genetics).

I'm happy enough with induction. At least the end is in sight. Plan of action seems to be in order: get checked out, see if waters can be broken, suppository thingy, drip. But hopefully things will start moving with the earlier options.

Strangely the bp was fine when I was being monitored. And they're not worried about it anymore.

bring it's odd, I'm happy enough that the end is nigh, but it's weird to think that it's sooner than I expected. And quite relieved that they did my bloods today.

Jojobump1986 Tue 14-May-13 22:35:05

Wow - it's all happening so fast! It's so exciting to think that by this time tomorrow you could have your baby! grin Keep that battery charged & stay in touch if you can! Hope you manage to sleep well! Fx it all goes smoothly tomorrow!

Is it odd that I'm getting so excited by this?! I'll be checking my phone every 5 minutes tomorrow hoping for updates! blush

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 14-May-13 22:44:37

I will post random updates jojo since DH has gone home, and I'm bored, and I've not actually seen anyone since I came in, and it's hot in here and it's given me a headache.

I want baby snuggles. And to sniff that new baby smell on their head. grin
I'd be excited if I knew what was happening.

Lorelei353 Tue 14-May-13 22:49:28

Keep the end goal in mind Frus - baby snuggles are coming, and soon!

Thinking of you tonight. Hope you get a good rest tonight and all goes well in the morning.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 14-May-13 23:47:48

All hooked up again. Steps 1 and 2 are on the cards for tonight as the ward has gone quiet.

Jojobump1986 Wed 15-May-13 00:16:31

Yay! Imminent baby snuggles! So jealous! Presumably they'll call your DH in if it looks like things are starting?!

My legs are a bit swollen from standing up a lot this evening can I be induced too? wink

Jojobump1986 Wed 15-May-13 00:17:57

I'm itching too from a bug bite...

Well, I'm totally a believer that everything happens for a reason, so glad the midwife caught your high BP reading and it just sparked things into action. I'm just glad they caught it before it's become something much more serious.

Looking forward to updates on how you're doing!

So glad we found each other on fb before this so we can keep up with you and new babe!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 15-May-13 02:25:52

I'm seriously itching tonight. although not sure how much is in my head

jojo it's always worth a try, wink please induce me because I've stood up too long and have a bug bite. And to think my MW laughed when I asked for a sweep. grin

bring I agree. Although I'm staying put on this bus especially now it's installed with carseats

Lovely! It's a nice-sized bus, with expandable sides so those carseats bottles of wine all fit in with plenty of room to spare for us.

Midwives and doula were around tonight. It was pretty cool having them all here at once! My boys went crazy and were running circles around the living room. I swear they haven't had any sugar tonight and it was just pure excitement that 3 ladies were at our house. We gave the tour of the house and checked out baby. Measuring right at 36 cm, she's in a ROT position today and she had the hiccups the whole time they were trying to listen. They eventually just gave up and said, "clearly she's doing great and moving plenty, we can just count the heart rate next week". All I could think was "b'jesus, I could be having a baby next week" So so crazy how quickly it's just zooming by now.

Oh all the excitement !! Hope things are kicking off for you frus and its not a long induction!
It's so funny to think you went in with high bp and they discovered something else, can't believe you've never mentioned the itching or I would have mentioned it too you. Still your in great hands and getting your wish for an early arrival
Keep us updated xx

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 15-May-13 07:43:04

I didn't realise quite how much I was itching kitty
Little monster has decided to move out of my pelvis overnight. And gone diagonal. So they're going to try and shift him back and break my waters to hold him there.

And I'm now nil by mouth, so screwed on the coffee front.
and if anyone else shoves their hand up my fanjo I'm going to swear very loudly at them. angry I need caffeine.

Oh dear hmm I can't believe he's shifted himself transverse what a monkey after being head down, fingers crossed he moves, are you dialated at all?
I know I shouldn't but lol at the if another person sticks their hand up your fanjo comment grin it must feel slow if you can't eat or drink anything, my dsis didn't get anywhere with induction 1cm until they broke her waters then it was all very quick, bet you didn't get any sleep last night did you x

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 15-May-13 08:18:31

I had about 3 hours sleep. which would be manageable if I had caffeine! angry and I have a caffeine withdrawal headache.

Not dilated, which probably hasn't been helped by monster being completely out of my pelvis.

Hoping it'll be quick and straight forward.

Jojobump1986 Wed 15-May-13 08:44:05

When are they going to try & start things off? It's so mean that they're not letting you eat/drink! Is that something to do with the OC or incase you need a C-section? They could at least let you have a coffee & put off all their interventions for an hour or 2...! wink

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 15-May-13 08:51:11

Think they are likely to wheel me off the threatre to play prod the baby and poke the fanjo sorry, meant to say massage the baby back into position and break my waters as soon as DH gets here.

The no eating or coffee is in case of a c-sec jojo. If he doesn't move, or goes into distress it'll be c-sec time.
But dr I saw earlier, thinks the chances of him moving are high, as he popped himself out and back in before, and higher chance of turning than if he'd been breach. and having dc before stands in my favour too.

Jojobump1986 Wed 15-May-13 09:05:06

I thought they didn't ban food/drink for c-sections anymore. They must be quite used to doing EMCSs on women who have been eating! confused If he shifts back into a good position will they let you have a coffee then? Have they given you a birth ball that you could bounce on to try & wiggle his head down? I'm sure bring will be along with some wonderful spinning babies handstand trick soon...! grin

In other news... My hip has hiccups & it's driving me mad! hmm I'm shattered after waking up every 2 hours or so throughout the night. I haven't even got DS up yet but he's happily singing in his cot so I'll get his breakfast ready just as soon as I've finished my caffeinated cup of tea! I'm suddenly v grateful to not have anyone here banning me from caffeine. They'd probably get a black eye if anyone tried that today! blush

Is your DH on his way in now Frus or is he sorting out the girls first?

Lorelei353 Wed 15-May-13 09:37:16

Big day Frus! Sounds like they're hopeful that little one will get into position. Exciting.

Oh frus it's turning into abit of a drama isn't it, don't blame your irritation on the lack of food or drink though, hope they can turn him nice and easily
Jojo not sure you can use balls etc with induction ( well definatly not when your on the drip) but thought that's why alot of women don't want it as it makes you more immobile? Frus will know more then me though
My results were slightly out if range ( I say slightly they won't tell me what?) but they want to wait for bile results before they discuss which was why I was surprised they'd jumped into action with you on the initials, even when my sis was + for both and high they wanted to wait another week and retest etc Ive just been told to contact them straight away if she slows down movement etc I'm sure ifs stress and uncertainty that's affecting my sleep but my itching has been keeping me awake at night and after Jojo s link, (never looked up other symptoms as we get tested as soon as itching ) I've seen that sickness tiredness are all other signs plus pale bowel movements which mine have been aswell this week so who knows
I hope you get your cup of coffee soon though ( or little snuffley new born)

Librarina Wed 15-May-13 10:24:30

Crikey! I go for one last big night out and some people go into to hospital to be induced. I'm glad I've not missed the fun (I hope it is being fun for you Frus, I'm not being distrespectful, I'd be worried along with the excitement but its good to be positive)

This has got me thinking that I really should start thinking about packing my bag. I have a drawer of useful bits but nothing coherent. Although to be fair I don't feel at all imminent, just very pregnant,

First day of Mat leave for me, I made DH late for work cos I wanted a cuddle. Am now pottering about the house and making a list of all the things that are still to be done, but not actually doing any of them!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 15-May-13 10:32:47

Ow ow owwwwwwwwww!!!! Waters broken. Drip in. Contractions hurt. I want my epidural.

Jojobump1986 Wed 15-May-13 10:46:41

grin Sounds good Frus! How far apart are they? Have they agreed to an epidural soon or are they making you wait until they think you really need it?

I do love a live birth thread!

Jojobump1986 Wed 15-May-13 10:47:23

Did they manage to get him into a better position?

Lorelei353 Wed 15-May-13 11:06:44

Wow it's all actually happening! Go Frus

Librarina Wed 15-May-13 11:38:04

Gosh... One of us is actually having a real baby!

Jojobump1986 Wed 15-May-13 12:26:35

I hope we all are Lib! Unless you're faking the whole thing & buying a reborn doll! <Shudder> wink

How's it going Frus? Got your epidural yet?

Wow! A lot of action from this morning. It stinks being 6 hrs behind you guys.

kitty how are you feeling with the symptoms and prospect of this happening quickly for you as well?

Odd that they won't let mums use balls during an induction over there. Even while all tethered up to the drip mums should have enough space to move around (which now sounds like Frus is probably enjoying her epidural so that's not really applicable). You gotta fight for your right to the birth ball ladies!

Sorry to hear you didn't have great sleep last night Jo. sad are you able to get a nap in when DS naps today? (I got a telling off by the midwives last night for not napping hmm ).

Well, I'll be obsessively checking this thread today!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 15-May-13 13:14:08

Ah sorry I keep forgetting to actually write something.

Have epidural. Aahh sigh. All hooked up being monitored. No idea how far apart contractions are.
Babe is still happy, and heartbeat strong.

They didn't have to move him much in the end as he moved himself, they just had to hold him their to break my waters. Omg seriously epic amount! And my goodness I have feet, and knees, and <whispers> a overgrown fanjo!

Jojobump1986 Wed 15-May-13 13:41:09

grin Glad everything's going well Frus!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 15-May-13 14:03:12

Ooh I had a funny 5 and fainted. Feel much better after a room full of dishy young doctors oxygen.

Hahaha frus! Hot docs make everything ok.

Lol at overgrown fanjo I think we are all with you there sister glad your hooked up, god I love an epidural grin aslong as you and baby are happy now doesn't matter what's going on hey
Just had mw app, all ok not really anything new just have to await the bile results although last weeks were 1set out on the liver function this weeks are 3 sets out, I guess it could be a possibility to be next but I don't like to pre emt anything now as you can see anything can happen at any time, I was 3/5 engaged would like it to be more but still I guess wouldn't mean labour was any closer just makes you feel better lol

Jojobump1986 Wed 15-May-13 17:11:41

When do you get the results back kitty?

How's it going Frus? I've got a meeting between 8 & 9.30 so it'd be good if you could avoid doing anything exciting then - I don't want to miss anything! wink

I think we will be forgotten now for a while while she pushes that monkey out then gets all filled up on love looking at him grin
I get mine in the next few days, they usually take 3/4 days to come back unless things start heating up naturally fx ( 38wks today) allready feel overdue wink

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 15-May-13 18:30:31

Woo. baby snuggles.
That was the least painful birth I've had.

Jojobump1986 Wed 15-May-13 18:40:16

grin Yay! Fantastic news! Congratulations! Can't wait to see the pics! grin

BelissimaLol Wed 15-May-13 18:44:05

OMG frus!!!! I just randomly popped into this thread to see if there were any news and I find you have had your baby today!!!!!! I'm so pleased for you. Huge congratulations!!! Apologies for those who don't know me for the random thread high jack!

Librarina Wed 15-May-13 19:19:18

Whoooooooop! A proper actual real life baby.

Hope everyone else's pop out as painlessly.

Congratulations! Tell us how gorgeous he is!

Yay! A huge congrats being sent over the ocean!!!

Lorelei353 Wed 15-May-13 20:13:52

Wow congratulations. That was quick! Such fab news. grin cuddles from all of us.

Yeay the first baby bus seat is taken, congrats frus enjoy your sleep tonight xx

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 15-May-13 21:43:30

Hi lol <waves madly>

Jojobump1986 Wed 15-May-13 22:57:38

Ouchy. My back hurts & my hips hurt & my pelvis hurts. I couldn't even lift one leg to get onto the bed. I had to sit on the edge & shuffle backwards. I'm achy & sore & tired & I want newborn snuggles! Hmph. <Stroppy>

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 15-May-13 23:44:59

Not long jojo not long.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Thu 16-May-13 07:00:27

Morning. How is everyone feeling today?

jojo have you got a bit more movement and a bit less pain today? And what did I miss with you and lib and the freaky reborn dolls?

lib don't forget Vaseline for your lips and a flannel/face wash etc clearly I wasn't thinking straight when I packed

kitty
I hope that your bile results come back okay. Are you inching? thats a silly thing for me to ask as i didnt notice quite how much i was. it's lovely to meet baby, but it's scary to have doctors setting deadlines every 4 hours, and everyone panicking when you swoon.

bring there was 2 balls in my room, and I probably could have used them if I wanted too if I'd have been straight forward I probably would have. As before It was topped up, I had really good feeling and could walk around. So you are right that we should still be able to wander and move as we need to.

I am so loved up. grin
I have completely changed my opinion of epidurals. When I had one with dd1 I couldn't feel anything, and went numb from my boobs to my toes. And hated it as I tore because I couldn't feel to push. And so couldn't move at all so had a bad back after.
I now know that that wasn't right. I had enough pain relief not to feel the pain, but enough feeling to know when I was having contractions. And as I didn't have anything else I wasn't away with the fairies.

bring is is normal to feel really really pleased with a birth. i know women really should be, but is it just my silly hormones?

Frus so glad everything well for you, your description is exactly how I describe my first birth which is why I loved my epidural, I felt totally myself as no other drugs to make you out of it head wise and it was uncomfortable when I had contractions to push but not painful, I still think of it as an almost enjoyable experience
I'm not worried about the results really frus what will be will be and I've always known the chances of me having it were high, I've had less itching this time then last but its still kept me up the past week or so at night, last time I had it from 28wks, this time it didn't start till 2weeks ago so results may not be bad?! I always wonder how much is psychological aswell as once you know obviously you itch more!
How you feeling Jojo are they just body pains do you think or like your body gearing up? Hope you managed to get comfy last night

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Thu 16-May-13 08:00:33

Morning kitty yy "enjoyable" probably is the right word. If they c

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Thu 16-May-13 08:02:00

Oops

.... If they could guarantee that every epidural was like that, then I think more women would have them.

Jojobump1986 Thu 16-May-13 08:18:49

I don't want an epidural while in labour but I could really do with on right now! Full-on crone-hobbling going on! I'm moving at approximately a metre a minute. It just hurts. I'd love to think that it was doing something but it's just painful & I feel less like it's imminent than I have done for weeks! sad No idea how I'm going to get through the next 2 days with a toddler. Can't wait for the weekend when DH will be around & I can avoid unnecessary movement. I think my concept of 'necessary movement' might be a little skewed at the moment though given that I avoided going to the toilet until the last minute! blush

Oh dear, DS has just woken up. I don't wanna go lift him out of his cot or bend to do a nappy! <Whimper>

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Thu 16-May-13 08:40:01

Oh jojo that sounds hellish. guess today is the day ds goes nappy free-range wink

Alternate hot and cold compresses, and keep moving as much as you can. I know it won't be nice or comfortable, but should begin to feel a bit better after you've been up and mobile and moving about for a while.

Is there anyone who can help with ds?

Lorelei353 Thu 16-May-13 09:03:06

frus I'm loving your updates. So happy for you and so glad that you're doing so well and are so loved up. Your epidural experience sounds great too. I'm hoping not to have one as I don't want it to be like your last one was. If only we could guarantee it would be like this one!

Jojo sounds like you're having a tough time. Hope you get a chance to rest.

Day 2 of maternity leave is bringing a massage, some hospital bag packing, and sorting some stuff out in the house.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Thu 16-May-13 09:20:36

lore I wonder if it had anything to do with the very dishy and young anesthetist that did it?

Lorelei353 Thu 16-May-13 09:26:10

Ah that must be it. Now how do I order one of those at my hospital. grin

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Thu 16-May-13 09:30:44

I don't know, but even the m/w was impressed that I'd got him.

Also try the emergency cord, that brings a whole room full of dishy doctors too. grin

Frus I wish that every woman could say that she had a fantastic birth experience! I'm so pleased for you!! As a birth worker, it is music to my ears that you are happy with how things went. smile

Jo ouch, ouch, ouch, I can so completely relate to your pain. Do you have any chiropractors in your area? Would you be up for acupuncture? These are the two things that seem to be keeping the pain at bay for me....but I realize you don't have a lot of free time if you've got your little one yourself today. I'm also wondering if you have a friend who could come and hang out and help lift the little guy, or your parents? Or even just taking him to the park so he can run the energy out and you can sit down for a bit?

Sounds like a lovely first couple of days of maternity leave Lor! Enjoy that massage, mama!

Hope your blood results come back as ok-*Kitty*!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Thu 16-May-13 19:34:10

bring it might have been because I was under consultant led care in the end. But even then the midwives I had were lovely, and explained everything that was going on, and very reassuring, and gave clear instructions as to what I needed to do. And the 3rd year trainee we had in as well for the birth was so calm and efficient, and will make a fantastic midwife.

Unfortunately DH is now a silver fox. grin the events of yesterday have given him a lot of silver/grey hairs that he didnt have before. Bless.

Haha about your DH. He'll be growing plenty more when that little lad starts running around and jumping off the furniture wink. Boys are crazy little creatures.

Quiet day on the thread today!

Nothing too exciting to share....baby is still hanging out on the right side and at one point I think her foot was by her head this morning b/c I was getting kicked in very odd locations. Acupuncture tonight, which was really intense last time so I'm curious to see if it's better or worse than last week. She is stimulating labor-preparing points (all on my feet, yeeeouch) and places for the hips to make them stop hurting. It actually worked b/c I wasn't having any hip or back pain for the past week and then I was an idiot and decided to paint the final room on the list.... and I've done something to the poor ol'hips again and finally learned that I'm much too pregnant to keep painting the damn house even though I hate the shade the color I painted today turned out

Jojobump1986 Fri 17-May-13 11:57:31

I've just arranged for my parents to have DS on Tues night & we'd already arranged for my PILs to have him next weekend. I feel awful that I'm sending him away so much right before DS2 is born but I'm soooo looking forward to just 24 hours of not having to change a nappy or pick him up! blush I think I'll probably stay in bed until DM lets me know they're on their way back! Bliss! I'll probably be completely lost & climbing the walls without him here!

Aww good news Jo! Enjoy your free time to pamper and nourish yourself!!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 18-May-13 17:18:23

Hello ladies. <waves> how is everyone doing? Anyone having any twinges yet. <impatient for everyone else now>

I'm back up maternity with the little one. He has the twitches that they're monitoring and trying to figure out the cause. But other than that we're doing good.

Jojobump1986 Sat 18-May-13 17:27:33

Twitches? confused What sorts of things are they considering Frus? Hope he's ok!

I'm not having any twinges, just lots of pelvic, back & hip pain! I'm feeling less like it's imminent than I was at 35 weeks! hmm Having said that, I've read lots of stories about ladies who just thought they needed the toilet when the baby was crowning so now I'm paranoid every time I need a poo! blush I always make sure I take my phone in with me, just incase...! I keep thinking I should have a clean towel in there too so I'm prepared if he makes a sudden appearance! Really don't feel like it's going to happen anytime soon though! Hmph.

Lorelei353 Sat 18-May-13 17:35:07

Sorry to hear that Frus. Hope he's doing ok.

No twinges here yet either although I do feel like my yoga this morning shifted baby further down. Feeling more pressure now but still not ready to go yet.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 18-May-13 21:12:52

He just has rather severe shakes at times. They've monitored his feeding, and blood sugars, and waiting blood test results.

jojo you can't have him in the toilet. grin if your bathroom is the same size as mine it wouldn't be possible.

No, no twinges. Feeling very nimble unfortunately and have been gardening. The kids are driving me crazy (hoping that's a labor sign?).

Oh no, Frus Hope little guy is ok. Now I'm trying to wrack my brain as to what twitching could mean. I hope you're not on Dr. Google, scary things on there regarding neonatal twitching <<wagging finger>>

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 18-May-13 23:04:27

bring I don't have enough battery left for dr google. And hadn't considered it until you mentioned it. but I won't, as my dds jittered too

Odd thing bring is that I thought I could feel him jittering before he was born. confused

Think I may be in labour..... Eeep
Started getting pains about 8 ish very far apart not sure if baby was just pushing down etc as felt very low all day getting them every 15 mins ish now, all very low under bump, hoping I'm not wrong as ill be embarrassed but totally different then first time as my waters broke first so it was obvious they were as apposed to this time

Oh my gosh!! EEk! Exciting!!

You'll totally know if they just keep coming and are getting longer, stronger and closer together.

Jojobump1986 Sun 19-May-13 05:32:30

How are you doing kitty? Any developments?

Librarina Sun 19-May-13 06:54:50

Ooooh, will keep fingers crossed for you Kitty either that its labour, or that it goes away if you're not ready yet.

DH and I had a lovely session with my yoga teacher (who is also a 'BirthLight' practitioner talking about having the baby, and labour and what to do. We're going to make a 'cave' in our house so I can be all safe, like a fox, and we're learning how to communicate in quite a basic, primal way. It's really interesting and is making me really look forward to the birth. We have another session with her this morning looking at signs of tension and ways that DH can advocate for me when we get to hospital.

Then tomorrow I've a midwife coming round to give me aromatherapy, so it feels like the preparation is really gearing up a step. Unlike baby who is happily nestled high up in my bump. And that's fine with me.

Yes I was in labour, went in hospital about 3 ish and examined at 4 was 4cm then and they are going to do another exam in the next 30 mins where they will be hoping I'm atleast 6, feel calm now as had my epidural although had a few problems with lines going in etc at beginning, getting nervous hoping everything will be ok and I can push her out safetly but so far so good x

Jojobump1986 Sun 19-May-13 08:56:30

Woohoo! grin Hope it all goes smoothly for you kitty! How exciting!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 19-May-13 09:32:22

Oh kitty how exciting! I hope you're not pushing for too long and it all goes smoothly.

Another baby on the way to join the bus. Yay!

Lorelei353 Sun 19-May-13 10:38:36

Another baby on the way. Hope you're feeling well Kitty and all goes ok

So exciting that there's another babe on the way! Hopefully kitty's baby is earthside and she's getting lots of cuddles and newborn neck nuzzling in.

This yoga teacher sounds wonderful Lib! What a great way for you and DH to connect and prepare for this little one together. Aromatherapy is so nice, enjoy!!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 19-May-13 12:35:04

Ooh I do hope kitty and baby are doing well. And kitty is all loved up with her little one.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 19-May-13 12:42:38

And I just have to share that frustrated sycamores rocks are humongous! shock hello boys doesn't even come close. my boob is twice eye size of my baby's head! they have never gone this big before. shock

Haha! Plenty of milk for the little guy, it sounds. Any engorgement pain or are things feeling pretty good?

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 19-May-13 13:00:23

No real pain. Only a pain in the bum They just leak when they can't take any more. grin blush
If I was a bit slimmer and didn't have a post-baby-bump I'd give Katie Price a run for her money. wink

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 19-May-13 15:14:08

Going home!

Yay!! Such great news, Frus!

Baby kitty was born at 13:55, 3 pushes!! Even I didn't believe it, she hasn't stoped feeding since she was born! No name yet,
Glad you get to go home frus I definatly want to be home ASAP x

Jojobump1986 Sun 19-May-13 16:08:35

Yay! Good news all round! Congrats kitty! grin Can't wait to see the pics!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 19-May-13 16:13:18

Congratulations kitty!!! 3 pushes, wow! And great news that kitten has taken well to feeding. grin I'm so pleased for you. Fx you escape soon.

Lorelei353 Sun 19-May-13 19:06:48

Sounds great Kitty! Three pushes and happy feeding. She's gorgeous. Congratulations grin

Librarina Sun 19-May-13 20:09:39

Hurray! Another baby on the bus, hope she gets a name soon. In the meantime enjoy sniffing her!

Awwwww, wonderful news! Two new babies on the bus, how exciting!

37 weeks tomorrow. Decided to scrub the floors tonight hmm.

Feeling a little too good atm. I'm totally going to be the last one off the bus sad

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 20-May-13 04:57:01

Dont be fooled bring bus statistics suggest that you'll have a baby before 39weeks. wink <realises that statistics based on only 2 examples are unreliable> grin

Lol morning all, don't worry bring ours is the early bus, just feeding little miss kitty her breakfast, somehow her arrival was times to perfection as my ward was empty all night, feel like the luckiest girl right night! apart from nipples.... Forgot how much those bad boys hurt when you start

Lorelei353 Mon 20-May-13 09:46:27

bring I don't exactly feel ready to go either, so I'll be keeping you company on the bus for a while yet! I was 37 weeks yesterday though so yay to full-term! Something comforting about teaching that milestone.

My mum arrives this afternoon from Dublin to keep me company for the next 5 days and just hang out. Really excited. She's always good fun.

kitty sounds like you had a good night and are totally loved-up. So very lovely.

I also found out yesterday that one of my DH's two pregnant friends had her little boy on Friday (she was due today). Lovely healthy babies and mamas everywhere!

Haha, well I'll just take those stats. I just have a feeling this little lady is going to go over the guess date and I've never been pregnant for longer than 39 weeks. Trying to just be at peace with that, and then I have mini-freakouts like last night. Oiy.

Have a great time with your mum Lor!

How are things going Jo? Lib?

So excited to see more pics of little miss kitty and to hear how things are going once you're able to go home.

Must be feeling great to be home Frus! Hope you and little guy are settling back in and relaxing.

Loads of BH ctx today and low back pain. I think I did too much this morning :0/

Jojobump1986 Tue 21-May-13 08:10:15

Things are... Ouch! DS is off to my parents for 24 hours. I shall spend the entire time either in the bath or in bed! Hopefully by the time he comes home again I'll be capable of standing up without feeling like my hips are broken & I'll be able to walk without my back crunching!

I think I must've over-sold the whole seeing the grandparents thing... He didn't settle until about midnight last night! Normally he's asleep by 9. No idea what happened there! We tried changing his nappy, giving him milk, bringing him into bed with us... He just wanted to play! hmm

Hope you manage to get a good sleep bring!

Librarina Tue 21-May-13 08:36:18

Things are good here, thanks for asking bring. I'm 37.4 and baby is still well tucked in. Had lunch yesterday with my friend who is having twins in Friday. She's a week less pregnant than me and I'm slightly jealous that she knows exactly how and when her babies are going to arrive.

I had an MW come round yesterday who is an aromatherapist. She made me a custom blend to sniff for relaxation with bergamot and mandarin in it, and one for labour with clary sage and lavender. I'm supposed to sniff my custom one when listening to my hypnobirth cd, or otherwise relaxing and then when I go into hospital it'll. help me feel relaxed there. If nothing else it'll mask that hospital smell and give DH smething to do!

I never knew I was such a hippy!

Haha welcome to the hippy side Lib grin Those are fab aromatherapy scents. I love the combination of clary sage and lavender together, so earthy!

Oh dear, that's quite the sending-off night Jo. Makes you even more excited to take luxurious baths and loads of well-deserved naps!

Baby girl has fully engaged her little head into my pelvis again and this time it's staying down there. I've fully developed the waddle....and two new stretch marks have popped up over night shock.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 22-May-13 06:32:52

Morning all

Lorelei353 Wed 22-May-13 10:52:40

Morning. You were up early!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 22-May-13 13:09:51

A combination of palming the dds off to before-school-club and attempting to drown the baby with milk. I have oversupply and it's just not funny. Added onto forceful let down, seems to follow the pattern of; ds squeaks equals half an oz leakage.
Well at least I'll have a nice stock in the freezer if I want to go out.

Jojobump1986 Wed 22-May-13 13:35:54

Have you got a milk bank near you Frus? Might help avoid your freezer getting too full! grin

Frus I totally understand what you mean! (I had oversupply too with the boys and the poor kids got seriously squirted in the face with milk and the couch and the table and across the room!) Some things you can try: you can either gently press on the nipple and breast when you do have the let-down to minimize how quickly it comes out and once it feels like it's subsided a bit-put baby back on, you can lean back to help go against gravity, let down some of the milk into a cloth, or just express the initial spurt and let baby back on once the forceful spray is finished {or a combination of all of the above!}. Hopefully it'll work itself out for you. I've had this all the way through our entire breastfeeding journey with the boys, but most moms find that once the first 2 weeks are over your body figures out how to not make so much, so quickly.

Jojobump1986 Wed 22-May-13 14:25:07

I just had a panicky can't-remember-when-I-last-felt-the-baby-move moment when I felt an odd twinge in my belly. I looked down at my bump only to realise that I was still resting my hand where I'd been playing chase-the-foot just minutes earlier! blush Baby brain!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 22-May-13 15:32:03

jojo grin chase the foot is the best game, how could you forget? grin

bring I had it all the way through with dd1. And under supply with dd2. Out of the 2 options I'll take over supply.
I cant donate. sad The freezer can cope as I freeze in bags. fit more bags than bottles in, and quicker to defrost

Hi guys good to read everyone is doing well, engaging babies and time off for breaks, I've been missing due to being re admitted into hospital, baby fine it was with me and I won't go into detail purley because child birth is scarey enough without things like that and I had a really good birth just unfortunate problems after, anyway home now thank goodness and hoping for it to be smooth sailing now!
Milk just come in - woosh will be expressing these melons tonight even though dd2 is a really good feeder already so pleased that I've been able to and continue so far, who's next due on the bus then?

Jojobump1986 Wed 22-May-13 18:58:04

kitty please don't feel like you can't talk about things! Childbirth is scary but it's more scary when things go wrong & you haven't been told it's a possibility! Hope you're recovering well now!

Re: the milk, I strongly recommend cabbage leaves if engorgement becomes a problem. I felt utterly ridiculous shoving leaves in my bra last time but it felt soooo good! grin Definitely putting a cabbage on our first post-birth shopping list, just incase!

Jojobump1986 Wed 22-May-13 19:02:40

<Whispers> I think, technically, I'm next! Eep!

Eeepp Jojo when was ds1 born, early? On time? Late?
I don't feel bad sharing if you guys want me to but the odds of what happened to me were like 1-100 and my other experience with it very positive so just don't want anyone in labour thinking oh no I can't do that as it happened to kitty us being 1-5 when odds are it wouldn't iyswim, I guess the thing is whatever we plan for, hope for, things just go the way they go and you just have to accept you may get the perfect birth or things may go a different way to what you hoped and its no reflection on you or your choice at that time, I guess I've been made to feel abit guilty--possibly just by myself-- that my choice brought on this problem therefore I was to blame for the problem

Jojobump1986 Wed 22-May-13 20:45:59

You're being v cryptic kitty! I want to know now! <Nosy> grin

DS1 was 8 days late by their dates, 5 days by mine. I'm hoping this one will be about a week early but expecting him to be roughly on time. We've just got to get through my work thingy on Saturday & after that I'll just be waiting! My absolute ideal would be for me to go into labour on Monday morning. DS1 will be at his grandparents' for the weekend but gets back on Sunday so he'd have 24 hours to settle back into normality. DS2 can be born during DS1's nap on Monday. I have decided. That's exactly what's going to happen. If I tell DS2 that enough, do you think he might listen? wink

Yeah, now I'm all curious as well, Kitty! I could imagine a few postpartum complications that might come up.... was it something having to do with an epidural? Whatever the case may be, please don't blame yourself for things that come up. Even the most straight forward births have things happen that upon reflection you feel you could have done differently. Hindsight is always 20/20 (unfortunately). Hope you are healing and are feeling better!

I think technically I'm the last one due- June 10th. Was there anyone due after that? <goes to dig up old thread for answers>

Lorelei353 Thu 23-May-13 09:56:43

I'm 9th June so just one day ahead of you! Eek.

kitty glad you're better now and home again.

I off to the hospital with my mum this afternoon for a tour of the birthing unit and labour ward. Looking forward to seeing it, although hope it doesn't scare me too much. I've been feeling pretty calm and as prepared as I can be up until now but a bit of fear is beginning to creep in from time to time.

Crazy contractions last night that had me wondering if they were the real deal (obviously, they're weren't) and TMI: lost the plug. Hopefully soon?

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Thu 23-May-13 13:29:01

Ooh fx she doesnt make you wait too long bring

lor calm is good. I hope your unit is like mine; very calm and welcoming.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Thu 23-May-13 13:33:56

kitty I'm intrigued, but I'm the otherside now and all finished with baby making so I don't think my vote should count.
I'm glad that you are home now and kitten is feeding well.

Bloody hell thought I'd written a massive post explaining and it's not there, hmm it was loonnnnggg too!
Well this may be briefer, it was to do with the epidural being yes the anethatist went in too far or the wrong place to where they would inject for surgery and had to replace it on the other side which ment she put a hole in the derma ( think that's right) anyway she said at the time shed done it and I would probably get a bad headache that could last 3/4 days but as i didnt 24hrs later I thought I was ok, turns out I wasn't and it started Monday night, by the time I saw my mw tue afternoon she advised I got admitted ASAP and it was a good job I did as any longer I think I'd have needed an abulance ( no joke). It's not a headache as much as wanting to kill yourself the pain of your crushing brain is having but it goes when you lie down and only happens if you stand or sit so very weird, anyway they hoped it would fix with fluids and caffeine but it was worse 24hrs later so I had what they call a blood patch, not pleasent at all but within 3 hours I was a different person! It does go on its own eventually but the pain was just so bad and I'd had to rely on mw changing dd and putting her on my boobs as I couldn't move from Lying down I just couldn't take the chance it'd last a week or longer, it's very rare to need the patch though, aparently the doctor had only performed one other that yr and non before for like 10yrs, I'm just hopeful it remains ok now!
Bring sounds like you could be soon.... I'm hopeful

Jojobump1986 Thu 23-May-13 18:09:54

Wow kitty, that sounds awful! sad Absolutely not your fault though. That's like saying someone walking on a pavement is at fault when a car swerves & hits them because they chose to leave the house! Please don't go blaming yourself. Just enjoy feeling better & having lovely snuggly newborn cuddles! envy

Ooooh bummer kitty! It was one of the things I was wondering about when you mentioned an after-the-fact complication. It is rare, but it's good for others to know about it because sometimes they do happen and it's best to be informed of all of the complications that come with interventions. I've never had an epidural, but I've heard the dural headaches are some of the worst that anyone could experience. I'm so glad you were able to head in and get the blood patch to get things back on track with you and the little lady. I agree with jo please don't blame yourself, these things happen sometimes unfortunately. Definitely not your fault! How is feeding going for you?

Saw the midwives today. Measuring 36 weeks at 37+4 weeks but she said the baby is feeling bigger and lower so she's not worried. Good position and they're thinking there could be a baby by the weekend (which is a bank holiday weekend!)! Hopeful! Lots of niggles today and some random contractions that are definitely lower and different than before. Dh has this super duper awesomely yummy restaurant all planned out for tomorrow night as like a last-date-before-baby deal and I can't decide if I just want to have a baby tonight or actually hold out until tomorrow and eat the best food EVER from this place. like I have a choice about going into labor tonight hmm

Jojobump1986 Thu 23-May-13 21:44:21

shock bring, you wouldn't be thinking of queue jumping would you?! It's my turn next! wink

All sounds v promising but don't get your hopes up just yet... You know what these babies are like! A friend of mine has been in early labour & 1cm dilated since Monday. They told her it was all about to happen so she called in the babysitter for her DS1 & nothing happened! Sooo frustrating for her! Hopefully by the end of the weekend you'll both have your babies. & I'll still be creaking round like the enormous crone-hippo I currently seem to be! envy

Ha ha bring I was like that, do I want baby now or paint the utility?! Do I want her today or go out tomorrow... Like you say we don't get much choice though!
Must say I have heard people say they've been told baby's imminent alot and go over but all the signs are positive! Have you had a "furtle" yet?
Feeding going well I think, baby will be weighed tomorrow, I love breast feeding and have allready expressed 3 feeds ready for when we start one bottle a night for daddy to give, feel very smug lovely and just love my little girl, I'm glad the dramas havnt affected bonding etc and just made me love her more!!! smile

Haha you are right Jo. I don't have any hopes at this point, it just feels very imminent iykwim. It very well could be imminent meaning in 2 weeks...but I'm banking on that full moon we are expecting this weekend wink

Still resisting the urge for a furtle kitty Tempting though with all the recent changes! It's such a weird place to be in. A baby for cuddles and breastfeeding (which I love such much too! I'm so looking forward to it! And putting on the cute fluffy cloth nappies that I have all stocked and ready) or try to appreciate these fleeting last days of pregnancy that I don't know if I'll be doing again. I'm totally going to miss the bump once it's gone!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Thu 23-May-13 23:21:34

I miss my bump. It's all squishy and flumpy. but am glad to have a snuggly baby to sniff instead of waddling.
bring I'd picked out the date ds was going to arrive. it would seem that I had no choice in the matter (and neither it seems did ds). The only trouble with the delicious food before hand is they you may get nauseous, and that would be a waste of going out for scrummy food.

Is it a full moon? Are there going to be any were-babies on the bus? I always wondered about whether there were more babies born on the full moon. dds were both new moon babies

kitty I thought ds was imminent, but he kept popping back out. apparently because of the extra fluid

jojo yours is going to sneak up on you when you least expect it. grin

I don't miss the end of pregnancy I must admit, I did first time but think I'd started to get really uncomfortable etc
Maybe itl hit later when I don't have a new new baby to gaze at, breast feeding has suddenly lost its appeal at the minute when I only fed her 2 hrs ago hmm the long sleep chunk overnight hasn't quite been grasped yet !
Boobs are huge yet unless its not kicked in yet are not leaking anywhere near as much as first time at this stage where I remember often looking down to find top saturated, is this more normal second time?

Jojobump1986 Fri 24-May-13 00:00:09

Don't say that Frus! I've just had a few strong BHs & DH is still in Tesco! We've got to get through Saturday. He can come anytime after 5pm on Saturday! He's going to be a v obedient child & come when I tell him to! grin

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Fri 24-May-13 09:02:17

hmm mine didn't leak 2nd time kitty although this time I think I'm leaking for the bus a bit of cluster feeding will boost it, but it is nice not to leak.
I'm really sorry that your epi wasn't as straight forward as last time. But I am pleased that the midwifes were helping you to feed dd.

jojo he will be good as gold and contractions will start at 5.01 Saturday evening. grin

bring and queue jumping news?

Jojobump1986 Fri 24-May-13 10:44:16

Just saw the mw. He's gone from 3/5 palp to 4/5. Pretty sure he dropped straight down again after I left because I was in so much fanjo-shooting pain on my short walk home that a random bloke stopped me in the street to check if I was ok! blush Shooting pains have stopped now I'm sitting down but I'm getting the occasional period-type pain. Must keep legs crossed for 30 hours & 20 mins! wink

Mw doesn't want to see me again until I'm 41+3, unless I want a sweep at 40 weeks... DS1 was born at 41+1. I'm hoping I won't be keeping the appointment I just made!

Jojobump1986 Fri 24-May-13 11:24:38

DS1 just lifted up my top, pointed to the top of my bump & clearly said "fundal"!!! I think we've got a budding obstetrician! grin

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Fri 24-May-13 11:37:30

Oh that's a point jojo I need to cancel my 40wk appointment next week. grin 30hours; right, keep sat down and have a bath. And no gardening, heavy lifting or pineapple.

Your ds sounds like he's started training already. grin

No queue jumping news, but it does sound like Jo may be next with those signs! Sorry, but why on earth is your DH not home this close to your baby's due date? Your son could always be a male midwife instead of an obstetrician....grin. I hope you won't be keeping the appointment either! That's a long stretch to not be seeing the midwife....hmm

Got some acupuncture again last night to encourage things along, a massage, and reiki healing (it was blessingway night at this class called "Sacred Pregnancy" and there was lovely food and wise old healing women smile Twas very nice!). Today shall involve a very long walk around the Minnesota Zoo with two crazy children and then dinner with DH tonight (who called and there aren't any tables available, which means we'll have to eat in the bar section. I can only imagine what people are going to think when they see a full-term lady eating at a bar....). Fun day ahead.

Jojobump1986 Fri 24-May-13 15:02:48

Sounds like a lovely day bring! Hopefully DC3 will hang on & let you enjoy it!

I'm ignoring these strong tightenings in my belly. They're just enthusiastic BHs, that's all. <Looks sternly at bump...> Nothing even vaguely interesting going on. Wish DH would hurry up & come home! He's stopping off to get a wiper blade fixed on his way home! hmm

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Fri 24-May-13 15:08:27

That all sounds very relaxing bring there's nothing like that near where I live. sad
I had midwife again today, and ds has done fab feeding and is over his birth weight. grin damn phone I keep putting gein instead of grin

jojo I will presume that your surgery is like mine, and you have to take what you get offered (Midwifes don't deal with the bookings) or run the risk of not getting one.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Fri 24-May-13 16:26:45

I hope your DH is home now jojo

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Fri 24-May-13 17:24:19

blush milk in the eye blush

Jojobump1986 Fri 24-May-13 17:43:47

Whose eye? grin It's supposed to be good for conjunctivitis!

The midwives book their own appts but just don't see second-timers between the 38 & 41 week appts unless they want a sweep. Part of me is quite relieved because it was at my 40 week appt last time that they discovered protein in my urine & started making noises about induction. They'll be doing that anyway if I make it to 10 days over but at least I'll be prepared!

DH is finally home & I've just had a lovely bath. Feeling less BHish but v hungry all of a sudden! I may have forgotten to eat lunch! Interesting new development - my one new stretch mark of this pregnancy was an even, pinky-red colour but since all my BHs it's suddenly looking blotchy & purple like it's bruised! Weird! confused

Librarina Fri 24-May-13 18:15:07

Hello!
Sorry I've been so busy... Being on Mat Leave is much harder than being at work!

Well we now have... nappies, cots (built), toys (knitted), clothes (washed,ironed, put into drawers and frequently taken out again to sniff) and lots of Very Pretty Muslins.

We don't have... anywhere to bath the baby, anything to eat once the baby is born or a pram or carseat that we know how to use. I mean, we have the pram and carseat but they are in bits on the floor.

Am due June 7th and this baby is so obviously going to be late that this weekend I'm concentrating on my Ali-shower (tea and cake with my chums, no presents or games!)...it's all about me!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Fri 24-May-13 18:50:13

Mine blush, (although is also being used for ds' gunky eye.) Totally agree it is the best thing for baby eyes.

Interesting change to the stretch mark, has your bump changed shape?

I also second Frus's suggestion on the bump change- sounds like things are shifting with loads of BH, a new purple stretch mark, and a hungry mama wink. It would be awesome if we both went this weekend!

Lib exciting stuff! Getting everything ready. You definitely do not need a certain place to bath a baby. A kitchen sink does the job quite well not to mention they scream through baths anyway so they're generally pretty quick. Do you have any friends or family who would be willing to sign up to bring you over some meals in the first few weeks? THIS website is an awesome way to get the word out to people that meals would be helpful. We're using it and I'm excited to get it started!

So, the zoo was supposed to be a nice distraction and a way to walk the baby out but as I was walking out the door my dad called to say that my grandmother passed away this morning. She's been suffering from dementia for the last 4 years and we all knew this time would come and it would be a sweet release for her (and everyone really, as she didn't know who we were anymore and it was very painful to see her that way) but I never thought it would be so close to when this baby would arrive. It's sort of feeling like the circle of life, and even my dad mentioned that it will be a wonderful thing to have a new baby in the family after her passing, but it's still a really hard day to deal with. Just feeling really down today, tired and achy, and finding it really hard to have patience with the kids (including the one in utero because I'm so ready for her to come). Ugh.

Oh bring, much hugs forwarded to you, that sounds like a hard day and although outing like that are enjoyable it's still along time on your feet and looking after 2 children! I'm not surprised you feel wrung out, take a bath and maybe have abit if a cry, I find it helps sometimes
Jojo all these signs sound promising, any looser bowel movements or have I just overstepped the boundaries?
Frus I don't need/want them to leek and they feel massive!!! Dd barley makes a dint in them even after a feed that why I find it strange they havnt as they feel much fuller then last time
Preparing myself to go to sleep, scared to as almost know if I go now she will wake up within an hour and ill feel like death, why oh why do they sleep so well and long in the day and then become clingy and cryey and constantly hungry at night hmm

Thanks kitty. Dh was able to get us a table after pulling the "my wife is due to give birth in 10 days, I forgot to reserve a table...." card and it worked! We got in, sat down straight away and had a fantabulous dinner. SO good. Now I'm trying to figure out if the two new stretch marks I've discovered since yesterday are from the baby or all the pasta I just ate..... grin. Having an upsetting day is always an excuse to order a desert as well. Oh well, stretch marks are badges of motherhood honor, right?

Kitty, if they're feeling really engorged and you're feeling like they're still super full after a feed you can express them once till they're completely empty for comfort without throwing your milk supply off-balance. Anything more than 1 or 2 times will make your milk supply increase, but it's nice to have the relief if the feedings don't seem to be taking the super full feeling away while you're waiting for your body to adjust!

They love the milk at night because it's richer and full of the hormones that make them feel good wink.

Librarina Sat 25-May-13 03:51:04

Bring. I'm sorry about your Grandmother, mine also has dementia and its such a rubbish illness. We were told 5 years ago that she wouldn't make it to my wedding (which at the time was in 6 weeks). Well she made it and is still with us, but she's not really with us IYKWIM, I think your Dad is very wise about the Circle of Liff (and a little bit Lion King which is good in my book)

As you can see I'm awake at 3am, baby decided that this was a good time for an almighty wriggle and now my bump itches. I have 30% battery left in my ipad and i left my book in the bedroom...looks like it might be a long night x

Oh I'm glad you got a table bring, I don't think anyone would begrudge a 9 month pregnant lady sitting at a table then be expected to perch at a bar and your right the pudding was a necessity!!!
I have expressed off about 2/3 oz each side they are still massive and hard but they are not sore atleast my mw didn't want me to express at all for like 4 weeks but I don't think a few oz can make that much difference, I'm not telling them to produce twice the amount
Lib are you still awake?! Hope you managed abit more, dd actually had a really good night, feeds at 7:30, 11 and now but without the crying and awake for hours bit and really that's the only bit I don't like smile

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 25-May-13 08:22:50

Morning all.
<yawn> for kitty do you co-sleep or get up for feeds? Ds starts off in his carrycot. Then ends up in with me as I can't stay awake with the feeding hormones, so I just wake up enough to offer the other side and the occasional burp.

bring if you can't play the pregnancy card at months pregnant when can you play it? grin

Librarina Sat 25-May-13 09:07:15

Yay! I went back to sleep....and when I woke up there were 2 new little babies in the world! My friend had twins, one of each and they are dinky and perfect. Elective section at 37 weeks, I'm almost jealous, but only almost.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 25-May-13 09:48:41

Yay to your friend lib one of each is lovely, l know someone who had one of each, although her babies are 18 now. grin
It will be nice to have someone in RL with similar aged babies. I need to meet RL mums with babies. My midwife wants me to get back into breast feeding peer supporting at our local group.
And talking of breast feeding I think I have thrush. Typical for a bank holiday weekend. Will have to phone OOH because I know if I leave it til Tuesday it will be agony.

Ahhh baby twins! Don't be jeleous lib yours could come any day and from my friends who have had both natural births and c sections they've said they preferred the natural way, even after my complications it's only 5 days since birth and I'm in no pain or discomfort now and can drive walk around etc
Frus I get up to feed, I'm pretty strict with a sleep routine in that I never let them sleep on/with me at night and if they want anything feeding change pick up I do it and then put them down again, it's not for everyone and can be very hard if you are constantly picking up putting down when you know if you just let them sleep in your arms they will and be happy and not cry but dd slept 7-7 from 12wks even being breast fed and has continued this with a handful of wakes in 20 months so I really want to try and get this little one in the same practice, I am a much better mum with a night to myself lol
I actually don't find staying awake to hard either or bad the next day ( I never nap) the only but I can't bear is if they cry or don't sleep when you have fed changed etc
Do you find ds needs burping aswell? Everyone says you don't need to burp bf babies but both of mine do!

Lorelei353 Sat 25-May-13 10:03:07

Good morning! How is everyone.

Bring so sorry to hear about your grandmother. Hope you're doing okay. Definitely let yourself have a good cry and relax.

Things with me are good. Had a lovely few days with my mum. It was so fun to hang out on our own and let her pamper me a bit. Was a bit teary when she left yesterday but she'll be back once I've had the baby so I'll see her very soon!

We went and did the hospital tour the other day which was brilliant. There were just two of us and our mums being shown around. We couldn't see any of the birthing unit rooms as they were all in use which is a shame but we got to see every other room. Also saw a few gorgeous newborns. We were outside the postnatal ward when a woman came back from a stroll down the corridor (she'd had an emergency cs the day before ) and her mum holding the baby. That was it, I was in floods. So totally hormonal but just being there was emotional and then seeing this perfect beautiful little curled up baby just tipped me over the edge. Such a dufus. blush it was funny though.

Exciting news for your friend Lib! Must be making it feel a bit more real for you? I'm sorry your family has been dealing with dementia as well. It's such a horrible disease, so hard to watch someone you love turn into a completely different person. Yesterday was really sad, but I feel a lot more settled with the news and a bit relived to honest. I was already missing her years ago so this is finally closure.

So glad you had a nice time with your mum Lor! Seeing a tiny baby makes you realize that there's actually one in there and you'll get to meet yours soon. Plus you're in the hospital where you'll get to meet your baby...must have been a very profound moment for you smile

Oooooh no Frus that's not good! I'm trying to think of natural ways to help with it.... boiling your bras and underwear to kill the spores (as well as the dummies if DS is using them), taking a quality probiotic and even giving a tiny bit to babe by putting some of the powder on your nips, eating natural yogurt, cutting out excess sugar in the diet, gentian violet on the nips and in baby's mouth (but watch out it stains everything purple so you would have some awesome violet-coloured nipples and a purple-lipped baby) or you can just go for the medication good stuff and get it over with straight away (but you can still boil everything to make sure it doesn't come back!). Hopefully you can get some help today!

kitty an occasional express in the early engorgement days is totally fine. I think it's an old-school view that any pumping will mess with your supply but when it's for comfort's sake, go for it. I had to burp the littles with breastfeeding too due to a flood of milk coming at them and the poor things having to gulp it to get it all down grin

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 25-May-13 20:29:41

Yeah kitty I have to burp them too. Dd1 had terrible wind and I was adamant that breastfed babies didn't need burping, poor little doll, until dh ignored me and burped her. DH has had burping duties ever since. I have an inability to burp them when they're tiny

Agree with bring that expressing to top off to ease engorgement doesn't affect supply.
My friend ff hers and had terrible engorgement with dc4, so I had to tell her how to hand express the top off. And she didn't get any extra milk. I think there's something in the way babies suckle.

Librarina Sat 25-May-13 21:07:40

I have had the most loveliest day! I had my Ali-shower with my wonderful friends who did the kindest thing imaginable and got their families to babysit their kids so we had a few hours of grownup, uninterrupted chatting with tea and cake and it was marvellous! They also all clubbed together with DH colluding to give me a gorgeous baby bag full of gin and Whisky! It's a Pacapod and the fanciest thing I've ever seen but has all kinds of useful sections and removable pods. So after me saying for years that I hated baby showers and they scared me, it turns out I love them and would happily have one every Saturday!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 25-May-13 21:18:02

How much stuff can you fit in a pacapod, They look amazing lib! I've never heard of them before, but they definitely look worth it.
I am pleased you had an enjoyable child free baby Ali-shower. grin

Ahh lib that's lovely gringringrin

Sounds fabulous! Glad you had a great time Lib!!

Jojobump1986 Sun 26-May-13 07:18:50

Wow, it's been busy around here!

bring I'm so sorry about your grandmother. Mine has Parkinson's so isn't the person she used to be & we all know she's going to get worse. I get so jealous when I see DH's grandparents who are all still pretty with-it! I must admit that I do often think it'd be a mercy if she died sooner rather than later. Would suck for the rest of us though! <hugs> for you & your family!

Lib, it sounds like you had a wonderful day! I saw on your photo that you've got a Johnson's changing bag - we have one & they're so useful! We've never bothered with a 'proper' change bag. We usually use my old school satchel & keep the Johnson's bag stocked up with nappies & wipes & pop it in the satchel when we go out.

No exciting developments here! My day was good fun, although I did end up sitting in a chair from 10-4 so got a little achy & it wasn't anywhere near as lucrative as I thought it would be. I made a few contacts though & it was good for DH to get to be around home educators & he went to a 'just starting' talk & is now much more keen to home educate! smile I had a few strong BHs while we were out & a couple once we were home but no other symptoms. Can't wait until DS gets home later - after that I'll be bouncing on the ball, walking & eating lots of curry! wink

Thanks Jo. It was a hard day waking up for some reason and my patience level hasn't been what it usually is prelabor symptom? We went to the Arboretum Landscape Gardens not too far from our house and it's so beautiful there. The boys ran themselves ragged (yay!) and we walked about 2 miles just checking out the plants and watching the boys get stuck in with the nature. I had a couple of zingers whilst walking and ^TMI alert^: lost more of the plug so hopefully the long walk accomplished something. Lots of super strong BH in the evenings and I keep waking up thinking "oh yep, still pregnant".

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 26-May-13 19:23:51

bring the lack of patience is definately a prelabour symptom.

It's been a lovely sunny day here, dds played in garden, and ds slept in his basket outside.
DH has gone out, and I'm counting down the minutes until bedtime.

Lorelei353 Sun 26-May-13 20:21:39

All sounds promising bring

We did great work this weekend getting the baby's room ready. Finally put together the changing table and pram and unpacked the dozens of Amazon boxes with all sorts in them and put it all away. So this week I can crack on with washing all the baby's sheets and clothes etc. and put them away when they're dry. And pack the baby's hospital stuff!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 26-May-13 20:45:21

lor watch out for the sheet washing, I put the baby bedding in for wash on the morning I saw the midwife just before I went in to get monitored wink I had to get DH to go home and put it in the tumble drier before we came home.

Lorelei353 Sun 26-May-13 21:54:41

Noted Frus! grin

Jojobump1986 Sun 26-May-13 22:04:00

I've heard about eating curry & bouncing on a ball but never doing laundry! grin

<Runs away to locate all baby bedding in house to throw in washing machine...>

Blending Mon 27-May-13 00:23:13

Hello ladies long time no see!

Rosalie and Abraham (Rose and Bram) made their entrance to the world on Monday, at 36 weeks weighing 5.1lb & 4.6lb respectively. Both took to breast feeding, although Rose is a grazer and Bram is a no nonsense sucking machine.

Had to leave them in the hospital on Thursday as being a drama queen I had another Pulmonary Embolism, and needed to go to another hospital.

I pumped and dumped for another 24 hours as the contrast dye used can affect the thyroid glands of babies. I was very lonely and scared that bf had failed before it was even established.

However got them to agree to look at me as an out patient as no need after treatment to remain in hospital (last time nearly 3 weeks without good reason) spent yesterday with lots and lots of skin to skin in my own bed and they are both back on the boob!

Very scary, thought I was going to die so this is most definitely the last time I will be pregnant!

Jojobump1986 Mon 27-May-13 00:44:28

Congrats blending! Sorry you had a bit of a rough start but v glad to hear that things seem to be back on track!

Sooo... I'm having a few interesting symptoms... <TMI warning!> Started having contractions at about 11.45, between 3 & 5 mins apart & lasting about 50s each. I dragged myself out of bed to see if going to the toilet would help & am currently sitting on the loo shivering & pooing which I didn't feel the need to do when I came in...! I'm also getting a few trickles of some fluid from somewhere but not 100% sure where & the contractions seem to have eased now...! hmm

Jojobump1986 Mon 27-May-13 00:55:12

Back in bed. I put a pad on, just incase of any fluid leakage! Shivering seems to have stopped & DS2 is having a little stretch! Am going to try to contain my anxiety/excitement & get some sleep!

Congrats Blending!! Welcome to the world little ones. So sorry to hear about having to pump and dump- it's heartbreaking because it's like liquid gold going down the drain. Awesome job at following your instincts. Loads of skin-to-skin time will always do the trick. smile

Oooh Jo that sounds like some suspicious activity going on over there. wink. Keep us posted!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 27-May-13 08:09:36

Congratulations blending grin I love their names.
4 gorgeous babies on the bus now. And 2 of each to keep things equal. grin

Oh jojo I hope you've managed to get some sleep in your excited state. And fx you've had some progress,

Blending Mon 27-May-13 08:12:08

Ooh Jo that all sounds very positive...not long at all now! Did you manage to sleep?

I had a comedy waters going moment, like on tv....think of that Little Britain character who pisses herself....just stood up to go to bed and they went, Whoosh! 10 minutes later and the mattress would have been ruined!

Trumpets it did have a little weep at getting rid of the milk. Although it helped that I went through the same with DD and couldn't feed her after VQ scan for 48 hours, so knew that it could still work out...just thought that it might have been a step too far being twins, but so far...

Blending Mon 27-May-13 08:12:31

It=I

Jojobump1986 Mon 27-May-13 09:04:57

Nothing exciting developed. My pelvis feels like it's broken & the bump is sore whenever he moves but he's still in there! Hmph! I must've got about 6 hours sleep in the end so hopefully I'll be well rested if things pick up again today!

Lorelei353 Mon 27-May-13 10:02:00

Blending lovely to hear from you and congrats on the twins! Sounds like a scary start for you but glad you're getting lots of cuddles and can bf again now.

jojo if I was having contractions that frequent I'd have been on the phone to the hospital, or were they just not strong enough so you knew it was too early?

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 27-May-13 10:31:14

If think you had double the chances with twins blending in that if one suckles your milk supply will be triggered and the other more likely to suckle as they can smell the milk. my dsis had feeding issues with dn, and he didn't feed at all until her milk came in, and he was ebf for 6months

Oochy to sore bump jojo it's all doing something to move little one into the optimum position.

blending my waters weren't comical, but DH did make me laugh when I was supposed to be pushing. He joked that they'd all have to be standing there with baseball mitts on to catch him when he came out. And I had a vision of Men in Black when the alien babies pop out in the car and Will Smith catches them. The midwife told us off for laughing. grin

Jojobump1986 Mon 27-May-13 10:33:24

They were just like the start of labour last time. They started 5 minutes apart & the midwife who came to see me because my waters had gone insisted that they must just be BHs because proper contractions wouldn't suddenly start that close together! It didn't even occur to me to want to call anyone last night. I nearly woke DH up but given that my waters hadn't obviously broken & I haven't lost my plug I was relatively confident that nothing exciting was going to happen!

DH has just left with DS to pop to the shop & go for a walk... Suddenly I feel funny again! hmm

Congrats blending its lovely to hear you've had your babies safe and sound and that you are on the mend now, well done on bf, does it feel like you've constantly got them on you or do they feed at the same time from each side?
Jojo I was the same this time but be warned my waters did t break until I was almost 10cm this time and my contractions didn't really feel like proper ones at all, when we phoned my mum and dad at 2:30 I felt really guilty as I thought I might be wrong but because I was fast first time we didn't want to take a chance and not have anyone there to look after dd, mine went straight to every minute first time but were slower this time without waters going, they were still totally erratic though, I think it really sounds like we may have another in the bus very soon xx

Jojobump1986 Mon 27-May-13 12:33:11

Eep! That's got me excited kitty! I've had a few twinges today but nothing quite like last night. Something odd going on with my digestive system though which I'm assuming is hormone-related. I've not eaten anything unusual! For weeks now I've had it in my head that I'm not going to know I'm in labour until shortly before the head appears! hmm It's got to the point where I'm assuming I'll be doing it alone while DH frantically calls for back-up! It was 8 hours from definite, regular contractions to 'hello baby' last time so I'm not expecting to take ages but also not expecting it to be a matter of minutes! My waters broke well before getting contractions last time though so I'm kinda hoping for a little warning!

Jojobump1986 Mon 27-May-13 12:42:42

Shivering again... No contractions though! Will have to lean over the beanbag & visualise dilation... That's what seemed to set things off last night!

Jojobump1986 Mon 27-May-13 13:11:13

bring I keep forgetting to ask... When you make your bath tea do you just pour hot water over the herbs & leave it for a few hours or do you keep it hot?

Ooh Jo you're definitely doing something over there wink. For the bath tea you can just leave for 4-6 hrs in a large stock pot and then strain it out and keep it in the fridge. It is perishable and will grow mold, so best to toss it after 2-3 days (I suggest making half of the batch of herbs so you can stretch the amt of baths out). I can't wait to hear about my fellow homebirther's story! Hoping it kicks off for you soon. (ps. my ctx usually start about 5-7 minutes apart too! So you're not alone).

38 wks today. DS2 was born at 38+3....

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 27-May-13 15:16:03

Go with your instincts jojo, if you think baby is coming early and going to be quick, then don't take any unnessicery (?) risks. I had a feeling all the way through my pregnancy that i wasn't going to go to full-term. I think there's a lot to be said for premonitions.
I do believe that when your time comes the midwives will get to you really quickly, so you don't need to worry about them not being there in time.

Jojobump1986 Mon 27-May-13 15:41:11

I'm not in the least bit worried about them not getting here. I've got the homebirth kit which I've had a nose through & established that it has clips for the cord... I'm quite happy to do the whole thing by myself but it'd be good if they could get here for the actual cord-cutting bit - not sure we've got sharp enough scissors! wink I'm a little nervous about the potential for another pph because I wouldn't have the injection to hand if they weren't here. I'm pretty sure the pph was caused by dehydration last time so I'm staying well hydrated now & drinking nettle tea which apparently has vit K in which should help avoid a hemorrhage. I'm literally a 3-minute very-pregnant waddle from the MWs office so I'm sure they could be here in moments on a normal day. Probably not on a bank holiday... We have a midwife friend who lives 6 doors down the road though so I'm pretty well covered in the MW department if we need them! Only a 7 minute drive to the hospital too!

I'm beginning to feel like I'm not going to need them today though. Just had a bath & am feeling frustratingly normal! sad

Jo you can always just leave the cord intact and keep the placenta in a bowl next to you if things go quickly and the midwives don't make it. It's better to just leave it than to clamp as some studies have shown that early clamping may increase the risk of PPH. PPH is another thing that if necessary, you and your DH can definitely deal with. Nipple stimulation and vigorous rubbing of the uterus (ONLY if the placenta has already been born, if it hasn't come out yet, then you can clamp the cord and snip a tiny bit off to put in your cheek yum I know but it's a lifesaver wink) Nettles are perfect for Vit K as is alfalfa if you want to add more supplementation. Way to go mama, you're so on top of everything! Also awesome that midwives are so close. Mine are about 40 minutes drive away but they are both so chill with everything that they're just like "well, if the baby gets here before we do, you know what to do. Just have your DH talk to us on the phone"

I'm feeling frustratingly normal too sad. Had some cramp-feelings this morning, was a little hmm about it so I went to lay down and they stopped. Then I had a melt-down b/c everything feels very out of my control (that's just parenthood, eh?) and my grandma, and I was so uncomfortable.... it's just been one of those days. Woe is me.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 27-May-13 20:08:45

I hate to say this, being such a cliche and all, but make the most of baby free days, but i am biased today. I feel like a milking machine; DS has been suckling all day, well when he hasn't been burping that is.
in reality, I acknowledge that you want to meet your babies now

Ha I know Frus. I'm more in the boat of "get this kid out of me because I can't function (and meeting it would be great too)."

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 27-May-13 20:33:03

I know that feeling bring I definitely reached that stage. But not much longer for you now.

Jojobump1986 Mon 27-May-13 20:34:38

I decided earlier that I'm quite happy with just the one child... DH said it's too late to change my mind now! sad Suddenly I don't want to go into labour. It's too soon... I need another month or 2!

bring, I'll be honest... If I'm hemorrhaging I think I'll just bleed until the midwives & the drugs arrive. I really cannot see myself sucking a chunk of placenta! Eeeeewwwwww! wink Thanks for the advice though... It's nice to know all the gross options!

Lorelei353 Mon 27-May-13 20:56:14

I'm not ready yet. A bit closer to my due date would be lovely. I need more time! I'm not scared of childbirth but I'm quite nervous of being responsible for a baby and bringing it home!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 28-May-13 08:41:17

Morning grin I feel half human today, ds did some fantastic sleeping last night.

Lorelei353 Tue 28-May-13 10:09:19

Morning.

frus that sounds promising! Good day ahead for you hopefully.

I gave myself a silly fright last night. I knew baby had been moving earlier but I had a sudden moment where I didn't think I'd felt movement in about an hour and a half - an eternity for this little one at that hour of the evening, as I get almost constant jabs when watching TV.

So to be on the safe side I rang the hospital. By that stage I'd felt some light movement but it just didn't feel right. I'm sure this drill will be familiar to most of you but she told me to drink lots of cold water, eat something, lie down on my left and monitor the kicks for an hour. At first baby was still very quiet but did feel back to normal again about half way through. Rang the hospital back to tell them all was well.

Felt a little bit silly but the hospital midwife was lovely and totally reassuring, which bodes well for when I'm in the hospital! At least I know what to try if I feel like that again. I don't know if baby was just crashed out or if I'm just getting a bit more nervy now.

DH was great though. Very calm and reassuring, looking after me. He did say afterwards that he felt totally unprepared so at least he finally agrees with me that we should have bags packed and room ready ASAP. He had actually put together all the furniture this weekend but only because I insisted. Now he's glad about it. grin

Jojobump1986 Tue 28-May-13 10:14:18

Hmph. I'm in pain. Pretty sure DS2 has a sledgehammer in there to use on my pubic bone! DS1 woke up crying at 3 & refused to let DH look after him. Very, very unlike him! It's only been about 6 weeks since he started to show any interest in me & all of a sudden he's trying to insist that I do everything for him! Bad timing!

DH has just booked the dentist for me on Thursday afternoon... I have every intention of going into labour Thursday lunchtime! wink I'd happily have him sooner but it's my niece's birthday tomorrow & I'd like to avoid having him on the same day. I have a complicated relationship with my adopted sister anyway without having to spend the rest of our lives trying to schedule parties around each other! She actually text me the other day asking me to confirm that I'd be driving over an hour away for a 2 year old's party tomorrow. I'm 39 weeks today. I wouldn't do that journey if DH was driving, let alone drive it myself, & DH was not going to take a whole day off for it! <Sigh> Family politics!

Lorelei353 Tue 28-May-13 10:31:24

Sounds like hard work jojo There's something to be said for family not being nearby sometimes!

Librarina Tue 28-May-13 11:13:40

Fie on family, 2 year olds parties are horrible unless you are either 2 or the parent of the party child.

I am utterly convinced this little one will be Late and I'll be left on the bus on my own. So I'm making a big list of foods I can batch cook this week so we'll be well fed when s/he comes. Baby's room is all ready ( not that we'll be using it much as baby will be sleeping in our room) but its nice to go in there and sniff the little clothes.

I'm so well prepared in fact that yesterday I practiced putting a nappy on my Tickle Me Elmo while he was giggling...(it was the nearest I could get to an actual baby!!).

I think I need to find more to occupy myself.

Haha Lib Tickle Me Elmo is a great way to practice wink. We're all planning on returning to the luxury bus with the littles in-tow so you'll never be alone!

Sorry about the family situation Jo. Heading to a 2 year old's b-day party at ready-to-burst-pregnant doesn't sound very fun nor does it at anytime. Surely the memory of being pregnant hasn't slipped her mind that completely yet after 2 years....hmm. Family can be so unreasonable sometimes!

So glad you had a good experience with the midwives at the hospital when you rang, Lor. Now you have tools in your belt to try if the little one decides to be quiet for a while. Haha at your DH. It's always something threatening like calling the midwife that lights a fire under their bums and gets them going!

I've got a bit of family drama over here as well. My gram's funeral is tomorrow and it's an hour's drive away. I am very heavily debating on whether I feel like I can go or not. It's not the drive, it's more having to do with my extended family and people that I used to know from the old religion cult that I got out of years ago that will all be there. My mum is being ridiculous as she normally is oblivious to the fact that I exist most of the time and now she's calling every other day to "check-in" with me (as if I'd forget to tell her even though I would like to! ). She got po'd with me when I mentioned how I was feeling and hung up the phone w/o saying "bye" to me last night. It's not even her parent! It's my dad's....who I now need to go call and talk to him about this.... maybe I can just have a baby tonight and get out of having to explain anything?

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 28-May-13 22:07:09

A tickle me Elmo is very realistic lib. grin somebody should suggest it to them as an extra marketing ploy.

Families suck can be difficult at times. ((Hugs)) to jo and bring have you decided whether to go or not. Have either of you got the feeling where you don't want to be far from home? even the thought was quite scary for me, I only went to work because it was closer to the hospital

I have a milk gussling baby who has managed to put on 7lb over his birth weight, despite loosing 4lb to start with. shock the fact that he never seems to stop eating might have something to do with it. And the MWs have signed us off as he's doing so well.

Yes, Frus that was a big factor in why I didn't feel like I could go. Feels scary of possibly driving an hour home if things pick up. I did talk to my dad this afternoon and he was nothing but completely supportive. I think he would try to get out of going too if he could! So much family drama that's not even worth putting up on here, but I'm very glad I can avoid all of it tomorrow and stay in my peaceful bubble at home. I spent some time doing my own hippy ritual in saying "goodbye" to her and having my own closure so I'm at peace with not attending.

Such great news on the weight gain! Sounds like you're making double cream instead of milk wink.

Librarina Wed 29-May-13 06:09:51

Bring, I think the only thing athat would persuade me to go that far at the moment would be if my bereaved parent needed me to. And as your Dad is fine with you not going, and you've said your goodbye in your own way, then no one else's (ie the extended family's) opinion really matters.

Frus, does your baby have nice fat foldy bits yet? I like those. My bump is currently stabbing me in the fanjo, I'm sure it doesn't like me.

Am so bored of the 5am wake up. Had to get up for cereal as I'm Soooo Hungry!

Frus did you mean oz not lb? 7lb seems like an emended weight gain?!
Dd2 will be weighed today shed droped to 7 last Friday so hoping for a gain!
She was amazing last night, fed her when I put her down at 7:30, she woke at 1 and had one feed then and slept til 7 again shock it took dd1 to 10wks to get to 1 feed she's only 10 days old!! She only had 1 feed the night before aswell but we had more trouble getting her back to sleep both times taking 2 hours ish from the start of her feed, she seems to get wind very easily so not counting my chickens as it wouldn't surprise me if it starts to get worse and she has colic like dd1 did but for now I can live in hope she's going to be a perfect sleeping machine

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 29-May-13 08:06:33

Oops blush yup, I definately meant oz not lb. 7lbs would be a superhuman weight gain. (And he's definately not that big)

lib no fat foldy bits sad my babies don't seem to get them. Which is why I have to squish tubby little babies. okay, I only squish the babies of people I know, squishing random babies in the street would be just a little bit wierd

Frus I have skinny minny babies too, thankfully my dsis has the fattest babies in the world, if its not got 5 folds an arm and leg then there's just something wrong with the world wink

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 29-May-13 08:38:35

Definately something wrong if there's no tubby armed and legged babies kitty

Librarina Wed 29-May-13 11:29:38

I like a bit of both, a rolypoly one to squish, a long wriggly one to tickle. All babies are good.

Mine had a MW appt this morning, all fine, descended a little. Tried to persuade her to magic the baby out but she was having none of it... I came back and cleaned then tidied the freezer drawers....if that's not nesting I don't know what is!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 29-May-13 12:23:36

Fie at your MW not magicing the baby out lib wink and grin at angry-nesting. what do you mean it's not ready yet? I'll show you, I'll clean my freezer! That'll do it. grin

my mum just tried to steal ds. shock I told her he was the good one and I was keeping him. grin she's run away with dd1 instead. I might get her back at the end of the week when dm has a headache from dds constant monologue. grin

Wow Kitty! That must have felt ahhhhmazing to sleep last night minus the rock-hard porn boobies in the morning

Freezer cleaning definitely gets babies out Lib.

LOL at the constant monologue! You must have someone over the age of 4 in your house?

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 29-May-13 14:10:57

Haha, spot on bring dds 7. I've had 6years of constant talking

Librarina Wed 29-May-13 15:38:55

Ooh, I think I've overdone it a bit today. Went out for lunch with my friend and her lovely 5 yr old DS. She had an errand to run so I said I'd take him to the park for a bit. We were in quite a 'yummy mummy' place so I got a bit competitive and thought "I'll show them what a 38+5 preggo can do".... So I merrily played on the swings & seesaw with the child, and when he wanted to go on the climbing frame I followed him up, right to the top. Thing is, pre-pregnancy I was a rock climber and in my head I'm still limber and strong, but in my body I am cumbersome and huuuuge and now I feel Very much like I've overdone it, hips and lower back are achy and I'm Soooo tired that I've had to come home after lunch and have a lie down. Which will teach me to show off! I blame the fancy mums, and that midwife!

Haha oh Lib, we've all done it! Hopefully you can rest up for the rest of the day. You are still limber and strong, it's just hard to bend at the waist with another human occupying it smile You'll get it back in no time and it will feel fabulous.

I'm stuck in the house today. DH has the car in the shop for me (it started smoking yesterday shock) and now I have to find something to do.....

Lib that was a normal day pregnancy for me, not because i wanted to but if I took dd to a fun house park etc shed run off to do it and I had to follow!!
It was no wounder I've had siatic pain a bad back since, still you topped me at 38+5, I think I stoped at about 37 lol that'll teach me for getting knocked up with a toddler hey wink

Librarina Thu 30-May-13 06:55:58

Hello...*Kitty*. I bet you don't get much opportunity for a lie down with a toddler...(I dont know...do toddlers nap?). I snoozed yesterday afternoon, maybe that's why I'm waking up so early?

Anyway, today I'm off to learn the dark and mystical arts if breast feeding, am really hoping they don't make me practice with an ugly doll, I'm quite scared of dolls and am vowing that this Baby won't have one (waits to be ignored by DM and DMIL!)

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Thu 30-May-13 09:08:27

lib my dds didn't have dolls. In fact dd1 now has the same aversion to them that I do. But I do think dd1 has a very similar personality to me which helped.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Thu 30-May-13 10:47:55

<sigh> my new nursing bras arrived. A size bigger. <sigh> my boobs can breathe again. never thought I'd be a 40e but ooh the relief.

Lorelei353 Thu 30-May-13 10:57:31

Good morning.

I'm a sleepy girl today. I've been sleeping relatively well up until now - waking up a lot but going back to sleep quickly. Didn't sleep at all well last night though. I think it was because I knew I was getting up early this morning to see GP so mind was racing.

All well with GP though. Head is well down and baby tucked up as it should be. I do have some thrush though, which is pretty sore and irritated but she gave me a prescription for that so hopefully will clear up quickly. It's not an area I want irritated right now!

Ow lor agree not the best area to get irritated at this point! Atleast it usually clears itself up quite quickly with meds!
Lib I'm lucky my dd loves sleeping so still has atleast 2hrs aday in naps, they tend to do it till 2 then between 2-3 drop the day time nap I think in general ( my how I love that nap)
Frus those bad boys sound amazing! I'm only a d / dd
Bring how go your symptoms?

Hey ladies. I was up a few hrs last night with actual contractions...that died down and did nothing but make me lose sleep and now be really sore and cranky this morning angry. It's the second night it's happened. <waaaaillll>

I've got a thing about dolls too! Pretty sure I'll be chucking out dolls when my mum starts buying them for this baby....

Glad you got the thrush sorted out lor. Having it at the end of pregnancy could lead to thrush associated with breastfeeding, so it's good to get it taken care of straight away. Also get a good probiotic (one that's refrigerated) to help get your normal flora back in check so it doesn't come back.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Thu 30-May-13 16:52:04

Oh bring that sounds both promising and irritating for you. [frustrated emoticon]

kitty I've never been more than a 38dd when breastfeeding, which is why that was the size I bought to start with.

Gotta love some good ol' prodromal labor. My friend/doula says it's the curse of the 3rd baby... I think she's right.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Thu 30-May-13 19:15:48

I think there's something in that bring I had a couple of nights like that just a week apart

Librarina Fri 31-May-13 07:21:19

You're going to have to change yr name to 'FrustratedSycamoreNorks' at 40e! I've given up on trying to make bras work for me at the moment. I'm in a comfy, squishy nursing bra and my boobs look boring in it. I have boring bosoms.

Had my breast feeling lesson yesterday. Am very glad I went as apparently I hold a baby wrong. We did have to practise on an ugly doll and mine had a gammy eye which was stuck on half a blink so I shook it...apparently yr not supposed to do that with real babies!

Tonight however I have a hot date! 39 weeks today so DH and I are going out for tapas and flirting so I'll have to find something nice to wear.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Fri 31-May-13 08:16:06

grin you make me laugh lib I'm not sure shaking gets rid of gammy eyes hmm there was me trying breast milk and cooled boiled water, and all I needed to do was shake the baby.
The tummy to mummy thing gets me all the time lib I find I latch them on and then rearrange them.

40e isn't as mahoosive as it sounds. I find the bigger the number gets the less impressive the letter is. Now if I was a 30e that would be impressive.

Have a fun date.

Lorelei353 Fri 31-May-13 09:23:21

Well I was a 32E before I got pregnant frus. I'm wearing 34G now but who knows what I'll be when I start breastfeeding

Gosh I'm in the midst of some big breasted ladies, feeling a little bit underwhelmed by mine now hmm I'm only a 34c normally and even that was slightly debatable after stopping bf last time
I have a very sucky baby, everytime she wakes up she want a boob or a finger preferably a boob! I know she's not hungry as she only feeds for a few minutes till she drifts off content she's got what she wanted!!
I know she'd love a dummy where as dd was never interested but loathe to really go down that route if I know she will love it decisions decisions do I hold off for aslong as poss??
Lib your post did make me laugh, did they not give you fake woollen boobs to use aswell? They are stranger then dolls! Enjoy your date it sounds perfect!!! Dd2 went down much better last night so we got to watch bgt then kept me awake from 10:30-1hmm

Mirror, mirror on the wall who's got the smallest boobies of them all? Me blush. We're toping out at a 34C whilst pregnant and breastfeeding and a very modest 34A when not nursing.

Lib your description of the bf'ing class is hilarious !! I could not stop laughing at the gammy-eyed doll that you had to shake. LOL. Nearly spat out my yogurt. Oh la la, have a wonderful date tonight!

I was all excited to go and have a pedi done with a friend today and then DS1 says he's feeling poorly and has got the goopy eyes, cough, and sad puppy-dog look on his face so I'm trying to decide if taking a 5 year old to a nail salon would actually result in a relaxing time. Yep, definitely not. At least the 3 yo is still going to school-this kid is a handful let me tell you. Love him, but holy shit he's been upping the antics this week!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Fri 31-May-13 13:44:52

I was a 34/36b before I had dd1, went to a 38d at max when nursing her, didn't loose them after nursing everyone said they'd get smaller dd2 took them to a 36dd, and was just loosing them when I got pregnant. A 40e is the same cup size, as a 38dd, but need the larger back size for comfort until they settle down. They really don't look that big as I'm 5'8" with broad hips and shoulders so not a supermodel.
I love the knitted boobs. They are so freaky.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 01-Jun-13 01:39:10

Where's everyone hiding. I didn't mean to scare everyone away. sad,

Yeah, it's been pretty quiet in the last few days. How are things going jo? Haven't heard from you in a while....!

Today was pretty busy. Nesting this morning consisted of cleaning all of the windows, grease busting the hob and the cupboards, and some vacuuming...hauled little guy to the doc, picked up the car from the garage, and got a pedi with the bf. Now the bump is feeling super low, but I'm not holding out for anything exciting at all tonight. I just give up in the hopefulness that things will happen. Even as a midwife, I'm convinced I'm going to be pregnant forever.

Librarina Sat 01-Jun-13 04:46:07

You and me both Trumpets. I will not only be pregnant For Ever, I seriously think I am going to be the only preggo In The World.

Had a lovely time on my date last night. The great thing about being married is that u can eat lots of garlic, make yr date buy you a macaron on the way home, then sleep alone in the big, comfy bed.

My bump is so high and round it's like I've shoved a watermelon up my dress. I don't need a bra for my 36Es as they just rest on it. And to think at school my boobs were so little I wore 2 push-up bras at once!

So lib you literally carried a watermelon ?!wink
Is it too late to give dd2 back, she was the child from hell last night
( she's fast asleep now ofcourse)

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 01-Jun-13 08:51:19

How did 2 bras at once work lib?

I'd forgotton all the snuffly squeaky grunty noises newborns make when they feed. And the desperate angry noises when they loose the nipple right in front of your nose kiddo grin

Librarina Sat 01-Jun-13 09:18:40

Not very well at all Frus, it's a long standing joke with my friends that I wouldn't let a boy anywhere near there as it was mostly tissue and wadding!

Am only getting out of bed now so I can go and watch Dirty Dancing!

Lorelei353 Sat 01-Jun-13 09:34:21

Good morning.

Decent night's sleep last night which is nice. Off to yoga this morning which I love but it's beginning to feel far to go - doc tells me baby's head is 'well down' but I knew that. I can feel it's down now! All good though.

DH and I are making a Mexican feast tonight. It's our favourite meal to cook together so it's like a nice date night without having to go out. grin

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 01-Jun-13 09:57:01

Oh lore I want a decent nights sleep. Between ds and dd2 I'm lucky if I get an hour. <yawn> they're now both acting as though butter wouldn't melt.

Oooh, now I need to go see me some Patrick Swayze!

I love the grunty, snorty little baby noises! And the little scrunch of the back and bum when you pick them up, and the smell of their little necks, good thing I'm about to have one or you would say I have baby-fever.

Enjoy your Mexican feast Lor! Muy bien!

Off for a family walk around the lake. Bump is still ridiculously low funny looking so it seems everything is locked in and ready to go, nowwww we just need a BABY to come out. Oiy. 38+6.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 01-Jun-13 19:08:28

Oh I know bring my ds is making me all broody. Good job he's tiny and mine. grin

Jojobump1986 Sun 02-Jun-13 00:11:38

Eep! It's been so long since I actually posted that the bus had disappeared from my TIO!

Nothing overly exciting to report I'm afraid! I'm feeling healthier now than I have done for most of my pregnancy which is annoying me because everything feels less imminent all of a sudden! Went for a walk in the woods today. It was lovely having some proper family time & letting DS choose which path to take & giggling at him falling over or getting ridiculously excited by the passing bikes! grin We did discover that he's not a fan of getting muddy! He got his hands dirty & wouldn't stop looking at them & rubbing them until I used a leaf to get the worst off! Any child of mine is soooo going to have to get over any squeamishness when it comes to getting a bit grubby! We had a BBQ this evening & DS learnt to say 'Mammy, barbie'! grin One day I'm determined that we'll have a proper firepit so I can do campfire cooking whenever I feel like it! I love fires! blush

All in all, a perfect day! I'd be quite happy for that to have been our last day as a family of 3... <hint, hint> I bet it won't be though! 39+4 & counting!

Librarina Sun 02-Jun-13 07:12:38

Looks like its a race between me and you JoJo, I'm 39+2 today and going for a picnic and a nice long walk.

Learnt how to fit the car seat yesterday...this is getting real!

Oh you 39 ladies its so close now isn't it!!! Exciting
I love the scrunched bum thing too ahhh
Is it normal to get hot flushes at night maybe from milk production? I'm washing the sheets every day as literally wetting them through??

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 02-Jun-13 09:29:56

Hi kitty yep, it is normal, pretty sure it's linked to milk production, I get feverish when my milk comes in, when it happened with dd1 i phoned maternity in a panic then sweaty at night until it settles down. I sleep on a towel or two it should settle as soon as your body knows how much milk to make to meet demand.

kitty tmi question for you, do you find it a bit oochy when you had your catheter?

Lorelei353 Sun 02-Jun-13 10:15:03

39 weeks today!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 02-Jun-13 10:47:00

Come on Gemini babies, it's time to get ready. grin

Jojobump1986 Sun 02-Jun-13 11:07:13

<Whimper> I'm in pain! Obviously my perfect day yesterday has broken me. My hips hurt, my back doesn't feel right & my pelvis is agony! I barely slept last night from the pain. I've had to send DH & DS off to church without me again. I'm so fed up of missing out! I wasn't planning on getting out of bed at all this morning but then DS was refusing to eat his breakfast & was howling for me! Really wish I hadn't given in now - stairs don't help! The only thing I've found that helps is kneeling/lying over a beanbag but it takes a lot of wriggling to get in the right position & the wriggling hurts & just when the pain is starting to subside my knees start aching! It's really upsetting me that I can't wait to not be pregnant! This might be the last time I get to be pregnant & I just want it over with! sad

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 02-Jun-13 11:50:27

Poor thing jojo you have my sympathy. Ds was my last pregnancy, and I felt terrible at the end I will remind myself of how ill i was if I ever get broody again 39+4 is good going, and on the plus side at some point in the next 18 days you'll feel much better, and have a snuggly baby to swoon over.

Oh Jojo you will probably look back with rise tinted glasses like we all do but I don't think there's a woman out there who doesn't want to meet their baby after 39 wks, I had a great pregnancy 1st time but still couldn't wait for her to come. I think because I wanted it to end before I got the horrible things, this time I only went 10 days over dd1 but got piles etc all of which I escaped first time, and lets face it as much as you want to savour the last pregnancy theirs nothing you can look on the bright side about piles and pain etc
Frus -first time I didn't ever feel catheter, it was in and out both times while epidural was pleasently masking it, this time no feeling for it in but they waited till the next day to take it out so I could feel something but not really painful or unpleasant and over in 10 secs, I've not had any pain or anything since it went out, are you still feeling it now?
Glad to hear I'm not the only crazy boiling fool, dh asked if I'm trying to keep persil in buisness alone!! Seriously the bed sheets are soaked through

Lorelei353 Sun 02-Jun-13 13:00:17

I'm quite lucky. I'm still feeling like I'm mostly enjoying being pregnant. I'll miss it a little. It's flown by! Really looking forward to be baby snuggles but being pregnant for the first time has been pretty amazing.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 02-Jun-13 13:37:16

I dont feel it all the time, kitty, but its not so much pain, as, i dont know, just something. It's only when I wipe, and not always. But I think it might be because they left it quite late before they took it out, so maybe was irritated.

Jojobump1986 Sun 02-Jun-13 13:44:14

Lor I was like that first time! I remember being a week overdue & feeling almost a bit embarrassed when people commented on how fed up I must be! I loved being pregnant last time & was really looking forward to doing it again! Ha!

18 days Frus?! hmm He'll be here by this time next week or I'll be wielding the scalpel myself! wink

I'm so grumpy today. Poor DH dared to ask if I was going to get out of bed for lunch. I told him if he insisted on me walking down the stairs & sitting on one of those chairs then he'd be staying home from work tomorrow to look after DS because I'd still be broken! I now have lunch in bed! blush

I'm getting slight period pain type aches all of a sudden... As much as I don't want to be pregnant anymore, I really don't want to go into labour when I'm already in pain!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 02-Jun-13 13:50:32

18days allows for 40+15 (dd1 was 40+15) but that would be the absolute longest. and there's no way you'll be waiting that long.

Kitty yes, totally normal for night hot flashes. Gotta love those hormones.

Frus I would see if you can speak to your midwife about the post-cath pain. She might have some suggestions about ways to help it feel better.

Oh jo. I so understand the over-doing it days and then not being able to function the next. sad. For what it's worth, I've seen mums be very achy (one mum even had a cracked spinal vertebrae that no one had diagnosed until after the baby was born, good lord I don't know how she functioned in those last pregnancy days) but they've gone on to be completely pain-free in between ctx and not notice anything extra during the ctx either. Just try to rest up today, lady. Pamper yourself today. Nice hot shower or bath, DH-massages, and lots of rest!! Sounds like something is trying to start up again. Keep us posted!

I was just thinking this morning about the differences in end-stages of pregnancy have been for each of these kids and it's really crazy how much it changes. #1 I loved being pregnant. I wasn't really overly fussed about when he came out, I just loved it so much. He could have stayed in until 42 weeks as far as I was concerned. #2 I was sure was going to go to 40 weeks as well so I was super surprised when he decided to come out at 38+2 and now I'm past the point where #2's labor started and I'm just so done and fed up. 39 weeks tmrw and my midwife brain is fighting with my actual-pregnant-woman brain about why I should be patient, don't try to do anything myself, it's up to the baby as to when they're ready, bla, bla, bla. It's just like a running commentary in my head these days. Annnnny time now would be fantastic.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 03-Jun-13 06:52:47

Morning.

(That's all I've got this morning.)

That's a very respectable morning time frus, mine started at 5:50 hmm
Giving dh a lie in as we've started the expressed bottle at night so he gave the 1:30 feed! ( that's not to say he didn't wake me rambelings around and to ask me where a teat was < by the sink> apparently it wasn't however it is still there this morning !confused
Still nice not to have to get out of bed

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 03-Jun-13 08:22:16

Mine started much earlier. I just had a sit down to feed piggy. DH is back at work today, and dds back at school. And need to figure out how to get everyone fed and put of the house on time. And all piggy wants to do is feed. Eek.

Oh I don't know how you manage that morning rush!! But still very envious of you getting all that alone time with you and bubs in the day, I get Friday but I'd love atleast another one where I got to stay in and enjoy baby without thinking dd1 will be bored or its my chance to do all the mundane things
How is he at night or does he want feeding all the time?

Jojobump1986 Mon 03-Jun-13 13:01:33

Frus you could always home educate & then there'd be no school run to do & you could get on with the day whenever you wanted! grin

D-day in T-11hrs & counting...!

LOL at piggy!

So excited the boys are starting full-weeks of school for this month. They are going to have way more fun with summer school projects, friends, and field trips than sitting at home with me not wanting to go anywhere! I'm so going back to bed when they set off with DH. <le sigh> 39 weeks today. Hmmph.

How are you feeling Jo? Are the hips and back feeling better after the day off?

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 03-Jun-13 16:26:01

kitty piggy isn't too bad at night, but he just latches on and stays there all night, only waking to tell me it's empty and he wants the other side. It is nice having the time with dds at school, but it is hugely different to the smaller gap I had between the dd2.

jojo home ed isn't an option with my dds. Dd1 is too social and attention seeking and thrives at school. Dd2 is dd2, and tbh I enjoy the break.

Librarina Mon 03-Jun-13 16:59:58

Ello!

I've just had a pregnancy massage and now I feel brilliant!

Just wanted to share that xxx

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 03-Jun-13 17:48:49

Genetics stink. sad and so does piggy

Librarina Mon 03-Jun-13 18:08:29

Have you had bad news?