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June 2013 - thread 6 - will this thread see any early arrivals?

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AlohaMama Thu 18-Apr-13 05:44:57

Welcome back all June-ers, just realised we were about to run out of space on the old thread.

Morning smile

Mawgatron Thu 18-Apr-13 06:25:06

Howdy chickens. Raising a cuppa to you all and the new thread.

Bit sad at the news this morning. Anyone else think it isa little odd that it is the 20th anniversary of wako and then this happens?

DontmindifIdo Thu 18-Apr-13 06:59:12

hiya, checking in!

pinkapples Thu 18-Apr-13 07:11:20

Just checking in whilst contemplating rolling out of my tempur bed for another day at work still no sign of any maternity leave hmmm may have to pick a date soon but it won't be for a while yet I don't think

MrsBri Thu 18-Apr-13 07:14:10

Morning...and hello new thread!

You're meant to give 4 weeks' notice of mat leave, pink, so you'd best choose soon! 11.5 days left for me now. Yay!

Maw the news is full of bad news at the minute.
What pains etc are normal at this stage of pg? Bump has been very uncomfortable last couple of days, especially at top on on right side. Mw said baby wasn't engaged on tues, but lying loa which is good so should I be in this much discomfort? Starting to worry I'm going to be a huge wimp in labour!!

AlohaMama Thu 18-Apr-13 07:29:32

Horrible about Waco.

On other news, much less tragic, my innie is now officially an outie.

forgetmenots Thu 18-Apr-13 07:40:00

Hi everyone!

Littlemiss you're not alone in worrying about being a wimp certainly... I keep thinking when it starts I'm going to panic, trying hypnobirthing stuff for a bit of calm!

SunnyL Thu 18-Apr-13 07:54:32

Morning. The day has not started well. I just poured orange juice in my cornflakes. D'oh!

curiousgeorgie Thu 18-Apr-13 07:55:03

Just marking my place!

Have such a busy day today, plus a consultant appointment and I Really want my C Section date!! DH is taking 2 weeks off, then 2 weeks working from home but as he works on a long contract rather than being employed he doesn't get paternity leave so he actually has to book it off, and if someone else has it, he can't! And my mum is going to book a week off when he has to go back so I really want a date... I bet I get told to wait another 6 weeks (till 36) and they both can't get it hmm

Withalittlesparkle Thu 18-Apr-13 08:07:55

Morning ladies

just marking my place.

So many of you seem to be preparing for C-sections! I guess that means you can plan things a little better (obviously thats not the reason why you are having a section) I feel like I've already started the waiting game at 31 weeks, on 9 more to go (possibly 11 if baby decides to arrive late)

Littlemiss, you may be experiencing braxton hicks, apparently they start becoming more and more common now! Or it could just be the baby has wiggled itself into a really uncomfortable position!

I have my first antenatal class this evening, not and NCT one (those happen in May) but its at the local hospital, so hopefully we'll get a better idea of the whole 'giving birth' process. DH was wittering on this morning about planning routes and asking at the class where he can park when I'm in labour, I guess it gives him something to get involved in.

My maternity leave doesnt start for another 5 weeks sad I could def do with a break now, looking forward to finishing so I can just wake up when Im good and ready rather than to a 6am alarm!!

learnermummy Thu 18-Apr-13 08:10:20

Morning all, just marking my place.

Must find some energy today!

Sarah2506 Thu 18-Apr-13 08:23:18

Morning All,

NCT classes last night were good. It's so obvious that everyone is there to make friends, lots of chat about general stuff and a reluctance to actually do what the teacher wanted us to! Six couples. I can certainly see potential friends amongst the group and that makes me feel quite a bit more relaxed about the whole process. Our baby will be the first though! The next due date is 10th June, and we are having a section on 7th. The last baby is due on 13th July, and so there could be weeks between us there!

One thing that bugged me slightly was the NCT Homebirth agenda, though I kind of knew that might happen. One couple were describing how they were high risk and booked for hospital delivery and they wished they weren't. The teacher said they could always labour at home and just call and demand a midwife be sent to them. Irrespective of whether or not you have that legal right I think that's a bit irresponsible. I think the message that you have choices is a good one, but I don't think you should make decisions and not tell the hospital that's what you plan to do - it should be a partnership yes? She told us how horrible induction was and that we should refuse it and that we should regard all medical checks and interventions as optional. Wound me up a bit. Especially as only 2% of births are at home, so I'm hoping this won't be presented as the norm going forward!

pinkapples Thu 18-Apr-13 08:24:15

Mrsbri I work with my mum in a family business so think I will just wait and see when I give up

MrsBri Thu 18-Apr-13 08:44:38

Ah, that's good then pink...aren't you tempted to give up soon?!

learnermummy Thu 18-Apr-13 09:25:15

That's a shame Sarah, some NCT teachers can be a bit like that. Suppose it depends why you're high risk, although I wouldn't be doing that unless I had my own private midwife who had agreed to care for me at home. You're not going to get the best reaction from a midwife forced out to you. I don't think that many first births end up happening at home in any case so they would be better to labour for as long as possible at home and then go in. Induction can lead to a 'cascade of intervention' but obviously is necessary in some cases. I remember my NCT teacher (7 years ago now, ouch!) telling us that if an intevention was suggested, just to ask if it was medically necessary, so they have to give you a proper answer, ie rather than to just speed things up before the end of their shift! I did refuse induction last time even though I was 16 days over because I wanted my homebirth and my independent midwives and private sonographer agreed the baby was fine for a bit longer. The hospital weren't happy about it though!

pinkbear82 Thu 18-Apr-13 09:38:45

morning all - 4 hours sleep = grouchy alert today. Awful pelvic pain and just couldn't get comfy, every time I moved I clunked sad

kinda scary thinking this thread might see some arrivals..... I really must buy the mattresses we need!

massagegirl Thu 18-Apr-13 09:48:33

Gah one big purple stretch mark has appeared overnight sad
Can't remember who wanted to know about the lazy daisy couple workshop but it was really practical and gave OH some nice massage techniques to use in labour. More hands on than nct but have enjoyed social side of nct, we are netting for dinner with the men on say night then weekly coffee/lunch meet ups which I think will be grat once the babies are here.
Hope everyone is well... One more week until maternity leave!!

LexiLexi Thu 18-Apr-13 10:23:43

Morning all, chuckled at how the conversation on the last thread degenerated towards the end... I'm still getting kicks all over the place so baby definitely not head down yet. Went to NCT last night and they had this scary diagram of how your bladder gets squished when baby engages, so think i'm prepared to wait a week or two!

Aloha, after approx 3 months of being a flattie, my belly button is now officially an outie too. Does anyone know whether it returns to it's former state?

redwellybluewelly Thu 18-Apr-13 10:29:03

Sarah you should let NCT know about that teacher - fecking loose cannon. I will admit that the teacher at ours was massively anti intervention, although ultimately I made the decision to go overdue she was the one who rang me at home to 'talk through' my options for post term gestation and my baby was one of the 3% who suffered massive complications from post date gestation. The NCT has been reprimanded slightly in our area and there has been some new teachers brought in, not just because of the 'homebirth' agenda but because of their quite domineering stance of natural birth and the fact this has led many women (some who I know) down the route of PND.

I will hold my hand up to loathing the idea of a CS, I want a home water birth, I want my baby born as far away from hospital as possible but I don't have that choice. A CS is a safer exit route for this baby than going overdue again and being faced with interventions in labour. There are some factors which increase the chances of needing intervention and the cascade of intervention research is sound and it is true however when you look at why many inductions are carried out they are already being carried out for reasons which will probably increase intervention risk anyway for example small baby, mums BP issues, GD, etc - some of the research is available online and I think the NCT should have a more balanced and rounded view.

Sorry. I have as you can imagine strong feelings towards the NCT and their advice - I should add that after my child came home from NICU I never heard from the teacher (who was v upset apparently) and I got no help whatsoever in terms of support from their various helplines.

learnermummy Thu 18-Apr-13 10:43:16

That's an awful story redwelly. I have to say I made my decision to go so overdue with the help of my amazing midwives and a sonographer who backed them up saying there was plenty of fluid etc. I went in for daily monitoring at the hospital too. I agree that the NCT teacher wouldn't be qualified in helping you make that decision.

I can't speak more highly of the NCT breast feeding counsellor though, she really helped me through my first. I contracted nipple thrush and my ageing GP had never heard of it, said breastfeeding just gave you sore nipples and advised me to give up. If it hadn't been for the NCT counsellor emailing me leaflets and telling me what i needed the GP to prescribe then I would have given up less than a month in.

SunnyL Thu 18-Apr-13 10:53:14

Hi all -I start my NCT class on Saturday and I have to say its the anti-intervention nonsense they may spout is what I fear and is the reason i signed up rather reluctantly. Here is a little story about anti-intervention and not listening to medical advice....

SIL was strongly advised to go for an elective cesarean due to her medical history and was classed as high risk. After sitting on Dr Google my brother and his wife decided they wanted a natural birth - fine that is legally their choice. SIL was very overdue. At 10 days they were advised to go for an induction. Again using Dr Google and going against the advice of medical staff they decided they wanted it to commence naturally. At 16 days overdue labour started naturally. During labour baby became very distressed and an emergency cesarean was needed - heart rate was dropping and they were in danger of losing baby. Thankfully SIL and brother allowed this and baby was born hale and hearty.

Now once baby was born SIL really really wanted to breastfeed. She was told because of her past history it may prove tricky for her to produce milk and that they should have formula on standby. She tried and tried and tried. The health visitor unfortunately didn't go to see them til a week after baby was born. Baby at this point was in serious trouble as SIL hadn't manage to produce any milk and it was starving. Baby ended up back in hospital on a drip because it had lost over 25% of its birth weight.

Thankfully at this stage 'choice' is a different thing. The consultant had a 'frank discussion' with them (Brothers words). They capitulated and fed baby on formula.

Now this baby was dearly wanted. They spent a lot of money and heartache going through IVF to get baby and I've no doubt they thought they were doing the right thing. What was distressing is how often they relied upon Dr Google and not the knowledge of medical staff directly in front of them. They are both very intelligent people but felt that training and OTJ experience was irrelevant and didn't need to be listened to.

redwellybluewelly Thu 18-Apr-13 11:13:15

Sunny My story didn't have such a happy ending sadly - I did have lower fluid levels but they were signed off by head of midwifery and I continued with daily monitoring, the complications which arose would have been mitigated by the hospital carrying out an EMCS - the trace which we have records of showed DD as 'pathological' for hours before delivery (ventouse) it was a combined fuckup by me listening to poor advice from someone not medically qualified and then the hospital not having snior staff at a weekend and a junior doctor denying a CS which would have prevented the brain injury (leading to seizures, week long coma in NICU and eventually cerebral palsy). DD was eventually born at 40+18

Breastfeeding support seems to really vary by area, I recommend having the numbers of the NCT, the La Lache League and the Breastfeeding Support Network. In our area its the last of those 3 which are the best but other areas then LLL are better etc etc.

Morning all.

My NCT antenatal teacher (from 6 years ago, blimey!) wasn't too bad re natural birth etc, but then I'd told her on the phone before the first session that I would be having a section and there was no choice about it.

For those that don't know about it, the NCT run a helpline where if you're facing any issues in particular -whether advised to have section, or PND, or NICU post delivery etc etc - then they will put you in touch with another parent who has gone through the same thing who can talk to you on the phone and chat through their experiences, what helped them, and also just understand what you're facing. It's called the shared experiences helpline, I'm a volunteer on it and tend to get calls about Twin to Twin Transfusion/losing a baby in utero but having to stay pregnant for the other/having a baby in NICU.

I've had an interesting morning today - slept really badly last night thanks to SPD & DS combo, then slept through the alarm so didn't wake up till 8.25am. DD is meant to leave for school at 8.30... shock She was already awake and watching telly downstairs, it hadn't occurred to her that nobody else had turned up and it was getting late... hmm. Managed to get her fed, dressed & off to school in the car with DH within 10 minutes (WHY does it normally take an hour?!), then got DS up, fed, dressed and ready for preschool by the time DH got back from the school run. Luckily, preschool doesn't start till 9.15 so we managed to get him there in time too! But I don't want to have to do it again in a hurry, I'm sure my blood pressure was through the roof grin Off to collect him in half an hour, think I'm back to normal again now though.

Olimoss Thu 18-Apr-13 11:51:50

Morning - well had our first NCT class last night, run by what I suppose is a reassuringly middle-aged school teacher type, but which of course resulted in me behaving a bit like I did in maths class in high school. 8 couples in total and she wasn't too hardcore on things like hospitals VS homebirths which I was grateful for.

Hated her constant references to us as 'mummies', though. Genuinely riled by it.

She did introduce us to, and I quote, 'an acronym we just love her at NCT' - BRAINS - did you get it too? Basically it's the decision-making process they want you to go through in birth if the hospital staff are suggesting a particular intervention. I truly can't imagine that being something I'd refer to when I'm being told 'the baby needs to come out NOW'.

People also there seemed nice, and one particularly entertaining Charlie Brooker type, and less posh Chiswick types than I had feared. And no one really young (ie: I didn't feel too old)...am the only one there giving birth at C&W and having a CSection though.

Followed all that up with the whooping cough injection this morning. OW.

Hope those of you feeling a bit off feel better soon. I'm still coughing up lung, figure my intercostal muscles and diaphragm must be well fit by now.

redwellybluewelly Thu 18-Apr-13 11:59:18

Rue that was the helpline I tried to access but nothing ever happened and I didn't have any support. I just felt really let down by them overall when I had hoped they would be a good source of advice. I should add we do live in a rural part of East Anglia and the NCT (and also BLISS) have less on up here but even so at a time when we were desperate for a kind ear we discovered it didn't exist. I've also tried to attend coffee mornings (promised to get in touch when they started up and never did) and I offered to help on the shared experiences helpline but again although they emailed to say they'd like the input they never go in touch to join me up.

Well done on the school rush run though smile take it easy for the rest of the day though!

Olimoss Thu 18-Apr-13 12:00:49

Ah, except redwelly it seems like maybe you got the absolutely wrong kind of support from hospital staff.

It's a bloody situation, really, you just want your baby(ies) out safely and you're really inclined to take the advice of those medical professionals around you, and it's usually a lottery as to who you get.

redwellybluewelly Thu 18-Apr-13 12:16:31

Well it was a combined cock up from start to finish and the doctors also made some pretty shite decisions.

I do humbly apologise to newbies - what happened to us was a 3 in a thousand chance and in fact I did have (up until the end) an easy uneventful labour which had it been a week earlier and in a pool (and possibly at home) would have resulted in me singing a different song.

Ultimately all you can do is trust your instinct, you are the only one who knows babies moves and kicks and tumbles and having the confidence to stand up and say 'No, my baby is not well I need a second opinion' would have stood me in good stead.

The fact this baby will be here within the next 7 weeks is however driving me to think I may not yet be ready to be a mum of two!

Saku Thu 18-Apr-13 12:37:14

Me too June..r smile

I think it can be fairly hit and miss Redwelly - they've lost the funding for the project recently so it's become part of the helpline, the helpline should pass your details on to a volunteer who then has 24ish hours to get back in touch with you. It's meant to be national though, so while they try to put you in touch with local people, if there isn't anyone then they should be able to look more widely for you.

And also for newbies my experiences so far are not exactly common either grin don't let us put you off... (Bit late now, mind grin)

SunnyL Thu 18-Apr-13 13:18:47

Redwelly - sorry things turned so tough for you. I think in my brothers case what was really hard for us all was he refused to talk with us about what was going on. My dad is a GP and whilst he's not a midwife he does have excellent experience of providing care. He is also a father of 3 and a grandfather of 3 so could have helped.

Then of course there was the incident when the child developed eczema and Dr Google told my brother it was a good idea to bathe a 6 month old baby in a bath with diluted bleach but thats a whole other story...... He has a frickin PhD but clearly this wasn't in common sense!

learnermummy Thu 18-Apr-13 13:24:39

diluted bleach?! OMG! What was he thinking?

AmIGoingMad Thu 18-Apr-13 13:39:30

Diluted bleach?!?! That's insane!

Forget- I've just had my hypnobirthing book that I got off ebay. Am hoping it will at least calm me a little bit! Also have counselling through occ health at work and she's said she's happy to help me with birth issues too.

It's all getting a bit real now!

Also had my whooping cough injection today and took DS for early second mmr too. He's doing really well so far- fingers crossed it continues!

redwellybluewelly Thu 18-Apr-13 13:59:03

Diluted Bleach!??? <re-evaluates getting PhD>

I keep forgetting to book that WC injection, life keeps getting in the way.

On the last thread I mentioned a step being a help - we got ours for a fiver from Dunelm mill and it folds up to put away so DD doesn't help herself to hand washing or climbing in the bath! Its working really well and I'm feeling better now I am not lifting her as much. Baby inside however is doing some random kind of stretchy moves which hurt my ribs (RH side) and my cervix at the same time and sitting at a desk in NOT helping!

Sunbeam18 Thu 18-Apr-13 14:38:21

Thanks for the heads up about the NCT. I really hate the natural birth evangelists who put pressure on others. Surely it's all about the baby and mother coming out of the experience as healthy as possible, not about 'the 'process' or about avoiding all medical intervention. The NCT have a lot to answer for. I'm horrified to read your story, red.

maisiebeem Thu 18-Apr-13 14:52:29

Afternoon ladies, I have been keeping quiet about my NCT experiences... But feel I should ask for your advice! We have now attended 3 sessions, it's the leaders first time running the course- and where I understand that everyone must start somewhere- I really really wish it wasn't with us! There are 5 couples in total in our group- all due in June and all first time parents. The combination of a very nervous leader and nervous first time parents is dreadful! I feel that it's not ideal- especially as it costs a lot to attend, so far we haven't learnt a thing, and I'm regretting forking out the expense! My DH is hating going, and I'm insisting we continue in te hope that there will be a diamond piece of advice or information amongst all the rubbish we are being told.
Ladies what should I do?

I can't believe some of you already know when you're baby's/babies are arriving! Exciting times!

maisiebeem Thu 18-Apr-13 14:54:38

Excuse the "x" although I'm sure we could all do with a bit of affection!

learnermummy Thu 18-Apr-13 15:05:03

Oh dear Maisie, I think you should contact NCT and explain. You shouldn't be expected to pay for that. What has she covered so far?

redwellybluewelly Thu 18-Apr-13 15:10:21

Maisie contact the NCT and ask for a refund. Its shockingly expensive and you should at least be learning something. Thats rubbish. Also have you been able to book the NHS AN classes where you might learn something?

maisiebeem Thu 18-Apr-13 15:14:07

She's talked about the stages of birth, but has been pretty vague, jumping between stages, saying she'll come back to a subject, and then doesn't! Shes also talked about Different forms of pain relief- ones that actually the local hospital- that all couples are going to don't use! There's lots of umming and errrrrring, and generally uneasiness!

maisiebeem Thu 18-Apr-13 15:19:00

I have now booked the NHS course, but will unfortunately have to attend it without DH, as he's a hair dresser and is fully booked for all the Saturdays leading upto the week before due date! Thank you for the advice- I think I will start composing a strong letter!

redwellybluewelly Thu 18-Apr-13 15:35:44

Someone I worked with for some time had a baby about 6 months before me, she did the NCT class and was left utterly unimpressed by it and wrote toe NCT to ask for her money back. What she hadn't realised was that the rest of the class did the same thing! So the NCT ran a weekend 2 day session just for them with a more experienced teacher and anyone who couldn't attend was refunded.

Another colleague was so shocked by the poor quality information we were given here and also the fairly dire state of her maternity ward that she booked flights home to Germany and had her son there! That was several years ago and 'birth centres' have become all the rage here which I think are a great halfway house but they've caused their own set of issues - our hospital spent £400,000 just on building the birth suite months after lack of midwives (not enough funding) contributed to our situation. Spat a few feathers out the day that appeared in the paper! grin

Olimoss Thu 18-Apr-13 15:59:50

I think that, regardless of who is running the course, you should be able to complain if the quality of the teaching isn't good.

Last night's first NCT session wasn't very full on or sophisticated, although the series of 15 A3-sized laminates of full-colour pictures (not photos, thank god) of the stages of labour appeared to put the fear of god into some attendees....but the lady who presented has been doing for a year or two and seemed to have it in hand. I think we have been lucky, maybe, in not getting a massive non-medical intervention evangelist, although it is very early days.

We have another 4 hour session on Saturday but it's ladies-only for the first 2 hours - I have no idea what the hell could be happening that means the men can't be there!

I really bloody well wish she would stop referring to us as 'mummies', though. This language of 'nappy natters' and 'jelly bellies' and dumbing down just does my brain in. Fairly confident we're not expelling our brains at the same time we have the babies....at least not totally!

Steffanoid Thu 18-Apr-13 16:09:37

I'm starting to feel glad that there isn't a nct class too local to here, am trying to book onto my limited NHS course at the hospital, but it's basically a tour of the unit and there's a bfing one also, bit lacking in confidence and help that's available round here ...

AmIGoingMad Thu 18-Apr-13 16:24:11

Same here steffanoid! I was disappointed not to manage to get on nct course for DS but reading these posts I'm quite relieved! The Nhs one wasn't great either if I'm honest. I think mumsnet , my rl friends and books/Internet were the best sources of info for me personally. I just keep getting so frustrated with the differences in what is offered in different parts of the UK when its all NHS. Different care, scans, pain relief ( I'd have loved a mobile epidural last time!)

Rant over though! Sorry!

On much more positive note, DS is doing really well so far after mmr! Fingers crossed!

Thanks for dunelm recommendation redwelly!

learnermummy Thu 18-Apr-13 17:00:11

I don't even know what a mobile epidural is AmI!

june2013 Thu 18-Apr-13 17:16:14

Hi everyone

just popping in... lovely to 'see' everyone getting on and progressing.

Also just wanted to say that we just started our NCT classes (we got a massive discount for being students) and where we are, it is GREAT! For example:
- We wrote our fears (sthg like that) about the course in the first class; everyone raised not wanting to the natural birth mantra. Instructor said that was a myth about NCT (clearly not, but she's really not like that).
- We wrote our own agenda for the course.
- Instructor is all for supporting any type of intervention (or not) that people want. We talked through all the options of home birth, midwife unit and obstetrics unit in detail.
- She's really knowledgeable and very relaxed
- She's a little cynical and has a great sense of humour. No mumsie, wishy washy, touchy feely crap (sorry I hate that).
- Other parents to be are lovely!

So in case anyone else is about to start NCT or everyone is just about to give up on it - just wanted to add my tupence to say it has been great so far (here).

We've only just started buying stuff. Having agonised over a pram, we finally got an uppababy vista - DH loves the high tech stuff... but it doesn't really fit through one of the doors inside our house (quite a crucial one!!). I checked before we left the shop that we could get a refund in case we had a problem... But DH insisted we keep it anyway and so proceeded to take half the door & frame down. It now fits, just about... it's lovely to push otherwise!!

Still slowly working on PhD, <waves to Red> going to conference tomorrow in London which starts at 9am and finishes at 6pm and of course I'm speaking at 4.45pm - boo hoo! I don't know how any of you do being pregnant in London & working / commuting. It would KILL me!

AlohaMama Thu 18-Apr-13 17:29:47

Seems to be a bit of a mixed bag on the NCT classes. Obviously not available here, with ds our option was Lamaze classes through hospital or Bradley classes separately (very non-interventional/natural birth). Our Lamaze teacher started off saying how she was there to advise and support on every type of birth but her language made it very apparent that she was very anti-intervention of any kind (cascade effects etc etc.). In the event I was induced 10 d early due to ds's size, and he did get stuck and had to get pulled out with the suction thingy (on the very last chance I had before otherwise going into emcs) , so presumably if I hadn't been induced I definitely would have had an emcs. I like the idea of NCT for meeting people as friends I know who've done it seem to have made really good friends, but at our hospital-class, people came from all over the city, and having to go back to work at 12 wks meant I wasn't exactly going to be meeting up for coffees and lunches anyway!

Hope those of you with crap classes manage to get refunds, or at least find some information elesewhere. From the posts above, I'd suggest Dr Google might not be the best source hmm

AlohaMama Thu 18-Apr-13 17:33:50

Sorry I meant to say, I do think it's great to have all the facts but such a shame when teaching is so anti-intervention/pain relief etc that mums afterwards feel they've failed when they've had a birth that didn't follow that path. Even though I'm a pretty pragmatic kind of person I have to admit to feeling a little bit like I didn't do as well as I'd have liked (having to be induced, then have oxytocin and epidural and suction thing), and kind of look to this second birth as an opportunity to 'do better.'

june2013 Thu 18-Apr-13 17:44:48

It's really difficult - despite thinking I'm open to intervention I've recently realised that I think I'd feel bad, if I did have an epidural - like a failure even. I know this is BAD thinking.... it's down to the teaching but also subtleties on programs like one born every minute where you hear the midwives saying, 'nooo you don't need an epidural, you're fine without it....' - they might be but it always sounds to me like epidural = bad.

This seems to be the first time I don't write an essay...!

learnermummy Thu 18-Apr-13 17:53:41

With my first I was quite open minded with my birth plan - along the lines of 'ideally i'd like this, but I'd be open to this, this and this'. So when we ended up with 'this, this and this' I perhaps felt that it had gone to plan if that makes any sense? The only thing i really didn't want was pethidine.
I was very glad of my epidural for my back to back labour and actually encountered no problems getting it - it was in place within about 10 minutes of asking. If you can manage without then recovery is much quicker, but if you need it you need it!

pinkbear82 Thu 18-Apr-13 18:53:08

I'm kinda going along the lines of I'll do what I can with Labour but if I need help/intervention then so be it. I guess there is only so much of it we can be in control of and we do our best during those times.

my mum had a horrid birth with me, and nothing went to plan for her. so I think an open mind for me is important. That and I can be a control freak - so if I don't stop that feeling now it'll only cause problems at the time!

the only thing I'm pretty sure I don't want is a water birth - for some reason, and I can not figure it out, it freaks me right out! No idea why.

As for classes, I'm doing the local
sure start 'parent craft'- now my background is working with kids, college, university etc all in childcare - DP has 3 children already so has had the experience. we are starting to wonder who the classes are aimed at. presumably people who have never seen a baby before, ever.

Sarah2506 Thu 18-Apr-13 19:50:01

I do love this forum. These discussions are so helpful to me. I'm sure people are more frank than they might be in RL and it's a really nice environment to post in. <end of love in>

I'm not sure if I am unusual but I honestly only signed up for NCT because I wanted to meet people. I really didn't expect to learn anything. Is that pretentious? It's a lot of money for friends. But having seen the friendships others have made and heard them say thank goodness for NCT friends many times I was really happy to pay my money. There is no community in London. I don't know my neighbours, this is just somewhere I live. Without this I would feel very isolated.

I was hoping that the content would be inoffensive, potentially useful though largely irrelevant given my planned section. Now I can ignore the barely concealed agenda, but I'm pretty clear on where I stand on things irrespective of whether its applicable to me or not. I think that if you were already a bit confused or feeling in anyway vulnerable at my class last night then you would have felt quite overwhelmed and pressured. And that's not fair. I do hope all the other couples went home talking about what they thought of everyone else like we did, and that they didn't go home feeling shit as they want to be in hospital or whatever their choice is. Because it is their choice, and that's really really important.

In other news I went to Boots to ask for the Lactulose that MrsBri swears by. I bought it alongside 5 packets of caramel bunnies. The look on the pharmacists face was one that suggested a little less of the latter might result in less need for the former.

AlohaMama Thu 18-Apr-13 20:05:38

grin at caramel bunnies. surely it's all part of a 'balanced' diet? my fruit/veg drawer in the fridge currently full of lindt bunnies that were reduced after Easter blush. it's the only decent chocolate you can get here, as it's imported from Germany and not made in the US.

redwellybluewelly Thu 18-Apr-13 20:12:23

Heads up that Homebase has 15% off everything this weekend including paint for those of us who haven't quite got round to babies room yet! We've gone for a very pale yellow with some cute bunny stickers and cream blackout curtains.

The room baby is going into is the biggest bedroom and has a double bed in it as I'll sleep in there for first six months. DH won a tub chair today on eBay so I'm going to buy a cream cover for that and if time make a cushion or three.

Is anyone else finding maternity jeans uncomfy because of the seam between jean and bump stretchy material? I only just bought a second pair as they were so comfy but in the last week they're almost cutting me in half!

pinkapples Thu 18-Apr-13 20:15:22

I am feeling that too redwelly spending a lot of time in my pyjama bottoms at the moment

Steffanoid Thu 18-Apr-13 20:16:21

There's chocolate squirreled all over our house too, I'm classing the cherry Garcia ice cream as one of my 5, there's cherry flavour in there somewhere :/
I've never really had friends irl, it tends to be me and my OH, I have acquaintances and things but not people I'd class as friends, so I don't hold out loads of hope, think I need to go make dinner

Mawgatron Thu 18-Apr-13 20:21:33

The whole friends thing is the best thing I have heard about nct, which is why we decided not to do it - I am currently one of five friends that are preggo (some old work colleagues and some from my friendship group). One is due the day after me, one due end of August, two due sept! Also got a really close mate with a 1 yr old so I feel like I have plenty of ladies with a lot of baby experience.

Got booked onto nhs classes though, they start in may.

redwellybluewelly Thu 18-Apr-13 20:55:26

Well I'm in touch with one of our NCT group, it was hard in the first six months when they were looking after their healthy babaies and worrying about naps and weaning and we were in and out of hospital. Other groups seem to have gelled better than ours. Plus when we all went back to work ir was rare everyone could meet.

AmIGoingMad Thu 18-Apr-13 21:22:15

Aloha it sounds like we had very similar first experiences- although my induction was due to high blood pressure and other pre eclampsia symptoms so happened just under a wk before due date. I'm also hoping this time around to find my peace a bit more! I posted in childbirth to find out the differences people found second time around as I didn't want to panic any first timers. It's a really reassuring read!

Sarah- I'm laughing to myself about the bunnies/lactulose battle!grin

DontmindifIdo Thu 18-Apr-13 21:46:09

Sarah, I signed up for NCT for same reasons, finding friends really! There were only 6 couples in our group, 2 have moved away from the area, but the other 3 mums I still see at least once a month, normally every other, and we do sometimes get the two who've moved away coming back for a catch up (and are facebook friends so still see photos of their little ones growing up!).

What I hadn't expected, is how much DH got out of it! By the time I'd got to the classes, I'd done alot of reading on line, various baby books etc, DH kept saying things like "it's your body so I'll support you" but didn't know things like if you have an epidural, you have to have a catheter etc. It really helped him to have a proper conversation with me, rather than just "what you want, I'll support you" he hadn't thought about these things. Plus the stuff like the various stages of labour wasn't something he'd paid much attention to before.

DontmindifIdo Thu 18-Apr-13 21:48:39

BTW - we went for NCT over NHS classes because they were on a weekend, whereas NHS were on a week day, I could get time off work to do the NHS ones, but realistically DH couldn't and I felt it was important he was in the conversations, it was only after we'd done them that I realised how important it would be to him.

AlohaMama Thu 18-Apr-13 21:59:32

Thanks for the other thread AmI. Had a quick read and feel better already. I think with this birth I'm worried about not being adequately prepared. First birth it's all you think about, read all the books, do the exercises, go to classes. Second time round, too busy looking after ds and getting on with life for any of that! I think I need to spend some time mentally preparing and re-reading notes, and things like that.

However I am slightly worried by some people's very quick second births, not having time to get to hospital and all that!

cyclecamper Thu 18-Apr-13 22:14:15

The NCT classes near us were on a Thursday evening and difficult to get to without a car and I couldn't afford them really, so I'm doing the NHS ones, starting next Thursday morning. I'm sad that they mean I won't be able to do my yoga class at the gym. I might see if I can rumble up enough money to do the ante natal yoga class on Wednesday evenings instead, because it has really helped with my back ache and general discomfort, but I don't want to start another 'normal' yoga class at this stage. I don't like going out in the evenings which is why I've only done one class so far - that and the cost: the ones at the leisure centre are included in my gym membership, but the ante natal ones are private.

My baby is moving a bit more at the moment, so I'm hoping it is going to sort itself out and stop being transverse at some point!

I've been washing all the newborn stuff and bedclothes that I've been given, which I am sure is why it pelted down then hailed today. Still, an extra rinse won't hurt it grin.

learnermummy Thu 18-Apr-13 22:39:01

It's even worse third time around Aloha - I have had no time to prepare for this birth! First time around did all the classes, read the books etc. second time did hypnobirthing classes, antenatal yoga. This time, nothing!
And a speedy second birth is why I want another homebirth this time!

grainmum Thu 18-Apr-13 23:11:47

well I had my 2nd Nct class tonight and pleased to say we don't have an overwhelming natural birth agenda. our tutor seems to be much more about exploring our ideas and concerns and developing coping strategies which works for me.

Just to share my constipation remedy - linseeds, sprinkled on whatever you like (from the baking aisle). I've had some on my cereal since early pregnancy and seems to make a difference without being unpalatable.

MrsBri Thu 18-Apr-13 23:55:23

Ooh, Maw, big discussion about Ed Miliband on This Week right now...hope you're not watching else you may get a re-run of your dream, ha ha!

On the subject of classes, we are doing a one day NHS one next month. I didn't even consider spending the money on NCT classes, even though I don't know anybody here. I'm sure I'll meet other mums at various things afterwards.

SunnyL Fri 19-Apr-13 06:54:07

I saw the weirdest thing ever last night. Baby was doing some serious irish jigging (i blame my mothers side of the family for that) when i watched my belly button go from innie to outie to innie to outie. FREAKY!!

MrsBri Fri 19-Apr-13 07:20:15

Mine does that, Sunny...looks like it is breathing :-/

Wow this thread has grown loads so quickly!!
I've really enjoyed nct. Can't say I've learnt a huge amount as I had done quite a bit of reading before hand but I keep learning lots of little things I had never even thought about previously. Great to meet other couple and share thoughts etc with them. Our teacher is great, she's had 4 children (one by cs) so she has a very balanced view. We never finish on time as always deep in conversation all evening!
Our nhs classes are at 35 weeks so I know I couldn't wait that long.

Withalittlesparkle Fri 19-Apr-13 09:18:28

Another one here who started classes last night.

I think I'm a little shell shocked, suddenly dawned on my that I have to actually get this baby out at some point!!!

Class was quite good, it was the NHS one (have 2 more NHS ones to do) but signed up for NCT as well, now sort of wishing I hadnt as it appears that the lady doing the NHS class is also and NCT trainer so the content is going to be very very similar!!! but I'm hoping I can make some friends out of both the classes which would be good.

The trainer said that she doesnt want to cover breast feeding as there is a seperate course for that, a drop in session during the day, so I might pop over to that in the next couple of weeks before I finish work.
And she talked about the mechanics of labour and what to do in early labour. I think next week we get a tour of the hospital which will be interesting!!

Olimoss Fri 19-Apr-13 11:38:52

CSection booked for 29 May, so not quite making June I'm afraid.....Baby still resolutely breech anyway, showing no signs of turning....

Blood pressure bit high today so they took bloods and am hanging about waiting for results.

It's so WEIRD having a date (assuming doesn't come before, obv).

redwellybluewelly Fri 19-Apr-13 12:08:02

Oli have they said what they would do or what you should do if you go into labour before the CS date? How many weeks will you be then?

It is weird having a date I agree - whats even weirder is not telling anyone that you know the date grin because right now I can just about focus on my and DH knowing!

Olimoss Fri 19-Apr-13 12:23:14

RedWelly - I'm to ring as soon as I think I might be in labour, if before that date (planned date only 5 days before my EDD) and I'll be given a CSection on a semi-emergency basis.

I have to say C&W hospital have had excellent midwives through the antenatal time. V nice and they remember you even though they must be mental busy....

And if you're having a natural delivery they offer you 1:1 midwife care from 4cm onwards which is nice.

Oli congratulations on having a date grin and that's what I had to do last time with DS - section booked for 36 weeks exactly, waters went at 31+2 (which I didn't realise to begin with blush) so went in and they did an EMCS as soon as they could - he got upgraded from urgent c/s to emergency c/s because they scanned and discovered he was foot breech.

I'm really struggling with SPD today, can barely move and it's really frustrating me how little I can actually do around the house - I have to plan basically one job per day, else it's agony. And sleeping is not really happening, every time I move it wakes me up sad am going to have to ask for better painkillers at my next appointment I think...

SunnyL Fri 19-Apr-13 12:43:17

Had a midwifes appointment this morning. Baby was not cooperating with them trying to work out which way round it was. Originally they thought it was breech but when they got the doppler out they decided baby has a bony butt and it is actually head down.

All reading perfectly normal which is lovely.

Great to hear you all have dates. Personally I'm planning on a large sneeze around the 6th June to get mine out. Far more preferable than all this labour nonsense. Perhaps if I don't do my pelvic floors it will come out easier???

Sarah2506 Fri 19-Apr-13 14:58:45

oli have you got to go back before for some sort of pre op assessment? I haven't had anything through as yet. I have lots of questions which haven't been answered as yet- eg what time to come in for, chances of it actually being done that day, when you have to stop eating and drinking etc. what I don't understand is quite how it works if labour starts and I've just had a big meal! I too would have to have a semi emergency section. There is no medical reason why I can't labour I just can't deliver without major issues, so they could leave me for ages. Though I hope to avoid it! Just wonder when someone actually tells you this stuff!

Sarah2506 Fri 19-Apr-13 15:00:08

Oh and sunny have you seen what to expect when you are expecting- the film? Is hilarious and the sneezing isn't so far from the truth in one of the stories. Good film for mat leave for all of you I reckon:-)

redwellybluewelly Fri 19-Apr-13 15:11:10

What maternity leave?!

I am dreading the next five weeks, although I only have another 17 days in the office. Baby will come less than a fortnight after I finish.

I have so much to do! <sobs rocking in a corner>

learnermummy Fri 19-Apr-13 15:52:29

Right have finally had enough of my uncomfortable, constantly falling down jeans! What can I live in now given that I don't really fancy doing the school run in leggings or yoga pants?! Please help!

Sarah I had to wait for 19 hours after my waters breaking before actually getting a section - fortunately I wasn't getting contractions for (most of) that time. If I'd started contractions they would have whipped me in straight away. Annoyingly, I only had to wait that long because the consultant turned up just as I was eating a single slice of toast!

If you are progressing and booked for a section they will treat it as an emergency - ops do take place when people have just eaten, they just don't like doing them because of the higher risks.

My pre-op appt was given the same day I was booked in for a section, it's the week before the section and they only do the appts on a particular day at my hospital.

SunnyL Fri 19-Apr-13 16:21:19

Leaner - a friend suggested egg-cup trousers (her name - not sure the shops call them that). She says they were totally unsexy but prevented the wiggle hoist that under the bump trousers need.

Personally I'm finding the skinny jeans under bump from New Look are really comfy. Far better than the more expensive GAP jeans I've got. Otherwise I'm spending a lot of my time in dresses but then I do that normally/

learnermummy Fri 19-Apr-13 16:30:51

Thanks Sunny think I need to shop for dresses and skirts but I don't have the best legs! Can we spray tan when preggers?

Olimoss Fri 19-Apr-13 16:36:27

Still in bloody hospital after high blood pressure reading and dodgy blood test results and now protein in pee - waiting to see Dr now...

Sarah - the Ob told me all that stuff when I met with her this morning, when I get home will type out everything she told me, iPad and iPhone batteries nearly dead so need to conserve.

Chat soon!

Steffanoid Fri 19-Apr-13 16:45:14

I have fat girl trousers that are doing my head in from evans, am currently wearing a size 26, and other than that I'm wearing leggings or pj bottoms if I don't have to leave the house, maybe a dress with leggings so then it's not so bad smile

learnermummy Fri 19-Apr-13 16:49:51

Sorry to hear that Oli hope you're ok.

Good idea steffanoid will spend the evening online shopping!

MrsBri Fri 19-Apr-13 16:54:32

Sunny, I've stopped wearing those New Look jeans as I find them really uncomfortable and baby hates them too!

I'm wearing leggings with a dress or long top, or if I'm not going anywhere a shorter top, which DH calls my sex suit. As if!

So exciting to get a date for baby's arrival. :-)

Oh, my midwife friend said that perineal massage isn't required, just a nice slow controlled birth. She had a lady with a back to back today who didn't tear because she was relaxed and breathed through the birth. That's my kind of birth!

MrsBri Fri 19-Apr-13 17:10:51

Oh no, Oli...hope you get to escape soon.

redwellybluewelly Fri 19-Apr-13 18:15:23

Trouble is when your body delivers baby faster than breathing can keep up! Or when you have an assisted delivery whoch wuth the best will in the world you don't get a huge amount of choice over!

I can't find any dresses, I can't wear my bloody jeans, £60 down the drain and one pair only worn once <sob> so I'm desperate to find nice dresses

Nursery worker tild me I was "huge" today, yeah thanks hmm

redwellybluewelly Fri 19-Apr-13 18:19:56

Oli missed your post, hope you escape soon, have you got a bag packed?

massagegirl Fri 19-Apr-13 18:51:16

Red I hear you on the huge... Woman in boots asked if I was having twins.... Erm NO I AM NOT!

DontmindifIdo Fri 19-Apr-13 18:55:37

Oli - hope you get home soon! (Has your IL issues sorted out?)

I'm feeling huge today. Continued my batch cooking this morning. I've had enough now, if that all runs out, we're doing takeaways.

MrsBri Fri 19-Apr-13 18:57:06

Well, I'm willing to trust someone who's a professional with their advice. :-)

People ask me if I've got 2 inside too. Hmmm!

And the woman serving me in Next just told me I'm having a boy! As did the wife of one of DH's friend. That does seem to be the overwhelming opinion!

Sarah2506 Fri 19-Apr-13 19:04:39

Had positive email exchange with colleague re various views on childbirth, early weeks etc. forwarded to DH. He said he read it and found it interesting. Questioned him on it when at home. He fudged for a bit. Then admitted he lied and hadn't read it. I've sent him to the spare room with no chips until he apologises and has thought about what he has done. It occurs to me this may be unreasonable. Though I can hear call of duty being played so maybe not. Am I mean?!

Oli hope your on your way home.
I've been told all week I look huge by customers and colleagues. They all look surprised when I tell them I have a potential 11 more weeks if I go to 40+2!! Not sure any of my mat clothes will fit, never mind jeans!!
On a positive note only 2 weeks of work left!!!

Sarah I would have made him sit out in the cold!!!

Steffanoid Fri 19-Apr-13 19:35:52

Someone in the co-op pointed at my belly and went how many are in there?i still retain that the only reason she knew I was pregnant was cause of the pregnancy magazine I bought, OH thinks she must have known anyway, I'm not so sure

learnermummy Fri 19-Apr-13 19:48:55

Anyone seen any cropped maternity leggings?

AmIGoingMad Fri 19-Apr-13 20:00:18

Haven't caught up on days posts yet but learner- I've worn some I bought on asos for first time today and they're awesome! Really brilliant! Have some from new look that I haven't tried yet- will let you know when I do!

redwellybluewelly Fri 19-Apr-13 20:01:20

I'll wait to see how that whole breathing thing pans out, dh thought it was funny too. FWIW I used hypnobirthing breathing techniques and they were very successful but as you'll see further up the thread the expectations of childbirth being ok if 'you do everything right' lead many women when faced with unexpected issues to feel they have failed.

I have seen some cropped ones but can't remember, may have been vertbaudet? I want JJMB to bring out their summwr range!

redwellybluewelly Fri 19-Apr-13 20:06:49

Also is anyone worrying about measles? I have no way of knowing wether I had a double vaccine and dd has only had one of her MMRs. Its not good in pregnancy and I work in a university with lots of overseas students as well as dd being at nursery with a lot of children who haven't been vaccinated on our schedule.

redwellybluewelly Fri 19-Apr-13 20:10:41

Cropped trousers and leggings in JJMB

MrsBri Fri 19-Apr-13 20:11:45

Like I say, I'll take the advice of someone who's delivered hundreds if not thousands of babies as to how to approach my preparation for birth.

I'm really concerned about the whole birth thing, so am willing to listen to someone with way more experience than anyone else I know.

I don't have a set idea of how I want it to go and therefore won't set myself up to 'fail'.

I just want to learn enough techniques to go with the pain and not fight it, as if you can go with it and not clench against it, it apparently helps move things along.

AmIGoingMad Fri 19-Apr-13 20:25:36

Redwelly- you can get dd her second one now probably if you phone surgery. I had DS done early yesterday but then we are in outbreak area. I'm also concerned as I'm a little too old so the mmr didn't come in til after my childhood immunisations. I know I had one measels one but am thinking about asking docs to check my immunity via blood test. It doesn't help that I work in secondary school in the area- over a hundred if our pupils haven't had mmr so we've got some taking place in school next week. It definitely worries me.

Oli- I hope things have calmed down with your blood pressure/ protein and that you've escaped!

Dontmind I'm extremely impressed with your domestic goddess ness!

I'm also fed up of the whole you're huge and you've got how long left conversations!

Learner JJMB have really good leggings.
Red I've been worrying about measles. Our local news (nowhere near South Wales) said we are very likely to get a measles epidemic over next few weeks/couple of months. I just hope bump gets his first mmr and other jabs before it happens. I know I'm definitely immune as had the vax 3 or 4 times as there was an outbreak of mumps when I was at uni.

AmIGoingMad Fri 19-Apr-13 20:32:05

Mrsbri- x post! I think what you're saying makes total sense. Yes lots of things can happen but also lots of people have very good births. I think that if you approach feeling you're equipped with a ' toolkit' that can only be a good thing. I'm definitely looking more into hypnobirthing breathing techniques this time around and just trying to make myself feel positive. If all goes more manic then I'll have to deal with that too but it might help my mental state now to have more positive thoughts rather than panicking about the what ifs now. Right/ now I've typed it and its in black and white hopefully my head and heart can start singing from the same hymn sheet!!!

Steffanoid Fri 19-Apr-13 20:35:23

I think I've had all my jabs up to date, had my last booster just a couple of years ago, baby has been doing some weird moving from left to right side today, I had a rather large 'lump' where he was sat yesterday and the other side just was like a Jelly belly

DontmindifIdo Fri 19-Apr-13 20:39:27

oh not domestic goddess - you should see hte state of my kitchen after all that!!!!

I'm getting sick of being called huge. I am not huge, I have a huge bump, the rest of me is not to be called huge, thank you very much. It doesn't help that as I'm only 5' 0, I look bigger than I am, as I'm pretty much all bump now. Yet it's only April, due in June. DH said last night he didn't understand how I could have nearly 2 months to go with this size of bump (but then he said the same with DS!)

learnermummy Fri 19-Apr-13 20:40:23

There's not a measles outbreak here but a few weeks back a child in Ds2's nursery class came down with it. I was a bit panicked and called GP who wasn't worried, even if I got symptoms. Possibly worse in kids? They don't get MMR til 1 do they?

Will check out JJMB for leggings thanks!

DontmindifIdo Fri 19-Apr-13 20:41:53

BTW - I'm pretty sure I've had measles jab, but ask your midwife! I'm sure it'll be in your medical records. I'm too old for MMR but have had the separate ones. (I believe it's the mumps one that's not as good in the individual ones than MMR, so should be ok with a measles outbreak)

My fear on that is if it spreads to here when this baby is too young for a jab, I have friends in Wales who are trying to get the MMR early for their little ones.

pinkapples Fri 19-Apr-13 20:49:57

Loving all the talk about birthing v worried myself but am hoping to cope confusedwhat will be will be and like I've said before its got to come out one way or another!

Am unsure whether I'm being vile or not tonight came home from work feeling cross and preceded to tell hubby not to bother speaking to me as I'd probably kill him so he did what all men do and spoke!!!! All about himself and his new car (he's getting it on Sunday it is not new and he did not tell me about it until yesterday... Needless to say he also hasn't thought through where the money is coming from as he has sold his motorbike but that doesn't go till Monday so hmmmm....) so it's also a boxy volvo estate which I've told him I don't like he clearly ignored me and tonight all he has talked about is the bloody car angry if he'd have done as I asked I'd probably be in a better mood now but no he keeps harping on and won't shut up and now I'm crosser than I was when I started and he's watching bloody wheeler dealers downstairs while I'm with dogs upstairs grrrrrangry and just to add he also said that he'd have peace and quiet without me and baby and he'd be ok with his cars/motorbike/dogs!!!!!!!!! FUMING! Rant over hmm

In other news it's the weekend and only 6 weeks (I think left to work) maybe will do a couple more days if hubby winds me up ill just have to stay there longer to keep sane!!

redwellybluewelly Fri 19-Apr-13 20:54:30

Look. I am a massive advocate of natural birth, like absolutely massive, cannot agree more that by being prepared and having an active labour is much better than being strapped on your back. I've explained about how there is research evidence to support the cascade of intervention theory.


professionals in an outstanding delivery unit in a hospital (rather than a MLU) including a midwife who had twenty years hands on experience failed to act and left my child brain damaged for life.

So I did everything right. Everything. Everything I could have done and my body could have done we did right. But I'm never going to take a professionals word as godgiven again without thinking through what they are saying. Thats even the advice of our senior obstetrician. To ask questions. Ultimately they are only human just as we are.

redwellybluewelly Fri 19-Apr-13 20:55:45

Oh and if you do want to know more about natural birth I can recommend Ina May guide to childbirth. Fecking amazing read.

cyclecamper Fri 19-Apr-13 21:31:21

I read the Ina May spiritual midwifery book in about 1990 and remember it being amazing. I might have to search out some of her later ones.

I had the week 32 emails today which mentioned Braxton Hicks often starting about now. Right on cue...confused.

I'm not looking forward to 8+ weeks of that! It was like the period pains I got when I was in my 20s. Bleugh.

learnermummy Fri 19-Apr-13 21:36:42

I've never read that so might need to get a copy. Feel a little left out with braxton hicks - have never experienced them before so probably don't expect to this time.

redwellybluewelly Fri 19-Apr-13 21:39:52

learner I never had them with dc1 but this time round they are hardcore and I've been getting them since 25ish weeks.

Stop you in your tracks and breathe through them kinda BH

learnermummy Fri 19-Apr-13 21:53:01

Redwelly is it a similar pain to what you experienced in labour? Both my labours have been purely back pain so I suppose I could have experienced mild BH and not realised.

Just found that book is available on kindle.

redwellybluewelly Fri 19-Apr-13 22:02:37

Its a tightening for sure. I get different ones, one is rhe hard bump all over when I'm tired or need a wee. The other is the one which worries the MW a bit which is a hard band under the bump of tightening which ease off when I rest.

I was in slow labour for about six hours before my waters were broken with very mild contractions, these BH are most definitely more noticeable and at times more painful!

Sunbeam18 Fri 19-Apr-13 22:11:02

Can anyone recommend a good place to get a dressing gown for hospital? I never wear one at home so don't have anything.

redwellybluewelly Fri 19-Apr-13 22:18:13

sunbeam I tried m and s and got one but it won't do up over bump!! So I'm going to buy a large wrap around black dress instead if I can ever bloody find one!

Oh and JJMB have just released their long summer dresses. Hallelujah

learnermummy Fri 19-Apr-13 22:20:57

Sunbeam I remember when pregnant with my first that the antenatal teacher recommended a dressing gown that wasn't white (for staining reasons!) and I spent ages trying to find one without success. I would say m&s , debenhams, matalan, those type of places would be worth trying.

Redwelly I honestly don't remember any hardening or tightening during labour - must pay more attention this time!

learnermummy Fri 19-Apr-13 22:23:03

Suppose you don't necessarily need a dressing gown to do up pre-delivery Red?

Sunbeam18 Fri 19-Apr-13 22:46:48

Thanks, that's really handy! Have realised I better start thinking about hospital bag now approaching 32 weeks. Help!
Oli, are you still in hospital??

redwellybluewelly Fri 19-Apr-13 22:48:32

Well I know bump sticks around for a week or so, especially after a CS when you can have more water retention (from what my midwife told me)

And it'd be fair to say some of my bump will require exercise rather than baby eviction to go blush

Back to back labour is different though isn't it?

learnermummy Fri 19-Apr-13 22:58:40

Only my first was back to back but the pains were identical which surprised me.

I know bump doesn't instantly deflate but it doesn't stick around at 9 months size, even with CS surely?
I must get my head around the fact that I might end up in hospital and start planning my own bag!

Withalittlesparkle Fri 19-Apr-13 23:02:12

My sister told me after birth bump goes down to what you were at maybe 6 or 7 months

ella0 Fri 19-Apr-13 23:04:47

I'm also worrying about measles as I'm too old to have had the MMR jab and I don't remember having separate jabs (I had mumps as a child but not measles). I'm also living in Wales at the moment!

pinkapples Sat 20-Apr-13 04:23:03

I'm awake grrrrr not happy angry

Pink I know the feeling! I've given up trying to sleep but may need a nap this afternoon wink

AmIGoingMad Sat 20-Apr-13 07:45:20

Morning! I was awake for the early hours but finally got bk to sleep. DS managed a full night sleep last night and woke up about 7. It was supposed to be a lie in for me this morning but DH was dead to the world- grrrrrrr! Shouldn't complain as he's brilliant really but could really have done with a sleep catch up this morning. I should have shaken him but there's a bit of the martyr about me this morning- doesn't bode well for the wkend!

pinkapples Sat 20-Apr-13 08:06:13

Well I've hoovered dusted opened curtains put washing load one in for the day and sloped back to bed while hubby takes out dogs still not speaking hmm and doubt ill sleep but at least the weights off for a bit

redwellybluewelly Sat 20-Apr-13 08:07:13

Eugh AmI I'm so jealous, my shift last night and DD developed a horrid snotty cold so wasn't sleeping and cos she has seizures too when poorly we have to monitor her every hour. Eugh. Just eugh

MrsBri Sat 20-Apr-13 08:17:16

Ella, I think those of us too old for the MMR jab did have separate ones. I know we got Rubella at school, but I think measles was an early one. The bloods they take at booking in check your immunity to things, so if there was an issue they'd tell you, I think. I doubt they'd leave a generation unprotected.

Baby B worried me this morning as he was quiet. He's perked up now though, thankfully. Poor mite was woken by me and has moved loads. But now has hiccups! Bless. So I have double sensation of kicking and hiccups going on!

redwellybluewelly Sat 20-Apr-13 08:21:04

With I think that's what I'll hope for certainly! But the dressing gown I got didn't fit me now (seven months) so figured I needed a bigger size.

ella0 Sat 20-Apr-13 09:32:52

Thanks MrsBri.

MrsBri Sat 20-Apr-13 09:50:03

I just checked and pre-MMR we were given it from a year old, so may explain why you don't remember!

We just got our first full on foot poking out moment...more than a centimetre! Puts the Alien movement in the shade somewhat, which is waves of movement with no definable body part :-)

learnermummy Sat 20-Apr-13 10:06:03

Yes maybe a size bigger then Red smile.

Am feeling really fat today hmm.

learnermummy Sat 20-Apr-13 11:21:39

Right am off to brave a nearly new sale, wish me luck!

redwellybluewelly Sat 20-Apr-13 12:00:46

Good luck

I think with the one we got as children (and I'm older than some here at 36) it was the same as MMR that the first jab gave 90% immunity but the second pre school booster brought it up to 95%?

I remember having whooping cough (child on our road my age died from it a week after me having it), and I remember chicken pox and mumps. But not sure about measles and my parents don't remember.

Bought some really lovely vest and stretchy PJs from primark today, got into town for 9.15 and the place was still messy and jam packed! Two pairs for £20.

cyclecamper Sat 20-Apr-13 13:30:59

I'm 42 and I know we had the measles jab pre-school. They brought in the Rubella injection when I was about 10, but I was off school that day and missed it, so I had it at the dr when I was about 15. We weren't vaccinated against mumps but I had it when I was nearly 11. It was nasty and put me off quite a few foods for a long time. I did have whooping cough as a baby, but we were vaccinated against that later. They are all horrible.

Withalittlesparkle Sat 20-Apr-13 14:39:06

I had the MMR when I was little but during the week 12 bloods they found I don't have immunity to rubella so have to have an injection after I give birth!!

MrsBri Sat 20-Apr-13 14:47:34

Interesting to see that a few of us on the 'wrong' side of 35 have actually had whooping cough, because I had it as a child too.

I remember the queue for the rubella jab at school!

Steffanoid Sat 20-Apr-13 17:35:45

I've only just had the whooping cough vaccine at 25, my family has a strong risk of asthma with my dad having chronic asthma and his sister dying from an attack, at the time of vaccination the risk of developing asthma was too high for my mum to take the risk with us, I never did develop asthma (my sister has it) but there is a lot less of a risk now of it causing further issues

SunnyL Sat 20-Apr-13 17:42:02

Just back from my first NCT class. It was a mammoth session 10am to 4pm and same again next Saturday. Thankfully my fears were totally unfounded. They were really helpful informative and didn't try to push the natural agenda on us once. Totally pragmatic and full of useful info. Also a really nice group which is great since I'm pretty new to this area and don't know many folks.

Still v tempted to put pjs on now though.....

Olimoss Sat 20-Apr-13 19:26:49


All mostly ok for now, got to go back for more tests on Monday, I keep meaning to check in properly but having opposite weekend to that the Drs said to have....4.5hrs of NCT today. Bloody long!

Chat more soon....hope everyone getting some sun at last!

learnermummy Sat 20-Apr-13 20:17:37

Glad to hear you're ok Oli - take it easy tomorrow!

I remember the Rubella vaccination queue at school too MrsBri.

Nearly new sale was ok. Picked up a microwave steriliser for £3 so that's another thing ticked off my list.

Friend gave me a new 'new baby' book called 'theres a house inside my mummy' that I read with DS2 tonight. Very funny penultimate verse reads:

'I just can't wait to meet him
I hope that he's alright,
My daddy says be patient
As his door is rather tight' grin

grin learner

We picked up DS's bookstart pack from the library (the preschool age one) the other day, it has a book in it called "There's an Ouch in my Pouch" which is fab - Willaby Wallaby jumps out of his mum's pouch, and you find out at the end that he was kicked out by the ouch - which turns out to be baby Jillaby. And Willaby realises he quite likes being big enough to bounce all by himself, and actually he doesn't need carrying and looking after quite so much.

It's a really nice story, and couldn't be better timed for us!

DontmindifIdo Sat 20-Apr-13 20:45:32

Learner - we've got that book too for DS, DH also found that bit a bit hard to read with a straight face... wink

I nearly fell over in DS's bedroom earlier trying to pick up some things from the floor, I think I need to accept my centre of gravity has shifted!

Citybaby Sat 20-Apr-13 21:53:30

I hope everyone's having a lovely relaxing evening after today's lovely sunshine?

Firstly sorry I've been such a sporadic poster, I promise to be better from now on! Maternity leave starts in 9 days so I soon won't be so tired after work/commute to function let alone post.

Dontmind-my balance has totally gone, I've been on a washing mission today with piles of clothes everywhere, every time I bent down to pick another up I fell on my bottom!
Anyone else feeling the urge to wash and clean everything? I've been told I'm nesting, I think I'm just enjoying hubby being away on a stag do so I can actually get things done!

I am actually from Swansea originally where the measles outbreak is but I'm in my 30's so I think I got the MMR jab before the worry started and people stopped having it.

Thank you for sharing your NCT experiences, my classes start this weekend so I feel a bit more prepared after reading your posts. I really want to take the birth as it comes and see what feels best at the time rather than have a set plan and put too much pressure on myself as it's my first so I've warned hubby to not to get too influenced if the teacher has any strong stance on drugs/ home birth, etc.

Aloha-congrats on your outie! I'm still waiting for mine to pop, I have such an innie though I'm scared I'll take someone's eye out when it finally goes!

redwellybluewelly Sat 20-Apr-13 22:38:39

I most definitely did not have a relaxing day and as its the weekend it's my shift with dd (dh and I take it in turns) so just turning the light off now.

Re belly buttons mine didn't pop last time and not sure it will this time either, it is stretched almost flat, anyone else?

pinkapples Sun 21-Apr-13 07:58:38

Mines still an innie like you red it has stretched but it is still in... For now grin

MrsBri Sun 21-Apr-13 08:02:24

Mine has been stretched to being flat, but depending on baby's position there's a bit of skin which sometimes sticks out. My belly button ring scar is now stretched over about an inch. Weird indeed!

DontmindifIdo Sun 21-Apr-13 08:23:05

Citybaby - yep, also been washing everything!!!! I think it's a combination of nesting and the sun finally being out so I can dry things quickly outside (our tumble drier takes over 2 hours for a load, and I hate having all the washing all over the raidators, as we have for months).

I think it's best to get on top of all the nesting now, my friend felt the need to rake her front lawn just before having her baby a couple of weeks ago...

I think i've upset my MIL - on Friday she came over to see DS, I mentioned I was washing everything for the baby and there was a lot of blue - I said if this is a little girl, she's going to have a lot of blue to wear - MIL said that "oh, it's fine for baby grows and vests, they only wear those at home." I said that she'd go out in them too - and that I wasn't over fussed if people thought I'd got a second boy, i wouldn't be throwing out perfectly good baby clothes and some had been really expensive gifts (when we had DS we got some really generous people buying outfits from Harrods and the White company). Thought nothing of it, but it seems she's mentioned to DH about buying the new baby lots of new clothes so they don't just get hand-me-downs. <sigh> I foresee a sea of pink arriving... (remembering to pick my battles)

I think it depends what position baby is in whether you get an outie also. I had a really deep innie which has been flat for a few weeks but its now a definite outie! Baby is lying LOA at present which means your likely to feel kicks under your ribs and the area by your belly button feels firm. Good position for labour but got a few weeks left yet ....

MrsBri Sun 21-Apr-13 08:43:24

I get the urge to wash everything when it is good drying weather, so I'm not putting that desire down to nesting!

I'm like you, Dontmind, and hate stuff over the radiators, but there isn't much choice when it is yucky out :-/

I do have a need to keep everywhere clean, tidy and ordered, which is driving DH mad. Men don't get the nesting thing, I don't think. And I forced him to help me do the garden yesterday! He doesn't seem to get that I will just do it myself if he won't. Then he will shout at me. :-/

And just let them buy things, Dontmind...at this stage you need to not get stressed, so if they want to buy stuff, then just go with it! I generally wouldn't, but I've no energy for battles right now, so am letting loads go that I normally wouldn't. People must think I've gone soft!

redwellybluewelly Sun 21-Apr-13 08:47:18

After a terrible night with dd (she has one of the buckets of green snot type colds) I handed her over to DH so I could have a lie in and was then woken by hom shouting and her screaming all over getting her dressed.

May have seen red and lost my temper with DH, he refuses to understand she is only two and that you reap what you sow. Shout at dd and she shouts back. Figure out why she is upset or cross and though it may not be rational at least she gets heard. So that reduced me to tears. And dd hates me crying and somehow I now need to enjoy my lie in.

Dh however doesn't see he is in the wrong at all, clearly at 6'6 pointing at a toddler and using a threatening voice is perfectly acceptable. Arse.

MrsBri Sun 21-Apr-13 08:47:55

What does LOA stand for, littlemiss?

redwellybluewelly Sun 21-Apr-13 08:48:22

Hmmm. Also devating washing the baby things and cot blankets etc today. But didn't really want to start until we'd finished painting.

learnermummy Sun 21-Apr-13 09:00:10

LOA is left occiput anterior which means baby is head down with their spine on your left hand side - best position for birthing.

Sorry to hear you're having a crap morning Red.

I (stupidly) booked my DH an all day photography course for his birthday and its today. Think I might drive the boys off to my mums for the day!

MrsBri Sun 21-Apr-13 09:03:33

Thank you :-)

Baby B is still all over the place! Midwife tomorrow, so see where he is then.

AmIGoingMad Sun 21-Apr-13 09:05:19

Morning all!
Oli- glad that things are a bit better!
Also nice to hear that people are having better nct experiences!

Mrsbri was it you that said about the first bloods we had checking immunity? Was it measles too or just German measles and chicken pox?

It was a lovely day here yesterday so we were out picnicking (?) and playing in the park. Really got me out of rubbish mood thankfully.

I hope everyone has a great Sunday! I'm personally counting down the number of 'that Sunday evening feeling' left dreading work on Monday! Not too many left now!smile

MrsBri Sun 21-Apr-13 09:15:28

Hi AmI...I'm afraid I don't know what they were checking as I've never been given my results! Changing from my maiden to married name after booking in seems to have baffled the system. I'll try to remember to ask tomorrow (ha ha!).

We briefly considered a BBQ yesterday, so a picnic sounds lovely :-) And even better that it is pre-wasp season!

Only 2 more Mondays for me. Yay!

MrsBri Sun 21-Apr-13 09:21:09

Looks like just German measles, but unless your parents chose to not immunise you, you'd have had the measles jab as a child.


cyclecamper Sun 21-Apr-13 11:09:44

MrsBri Babycamper is still moving around - mostly with it's head on my right hand side. I don't think it's been head down once, although it has moved a bit from side to side. It's much more active now, so I'm hoping it's gearing up for a big dive downwards grin.

I'm doing the laundry by kneeling on the floor to load and unload the machine and I have a small table in the garden near the washing line so that I don't have to keep bending. We have a washer dryer and I don't use the dryer at all if I can help it, for several reasons: because it doesn't cope with the laundry caused by 5 grown people (younger stepson is 17, 22 year old and his girlfriend both live with us); because it takes too long; because the fluff clogs the machine and ends up all over the dark laundry and because it is too expensive. Having some nice drying days has been brill! I vacuumed our room yesterday and moved furniture around so that I can fit the moses basket in. I don't really like sharing, but there isn't room anywhere else in the house for the baby! Goodness knows what we will do if it outgrows the moses basket before the oldest stepson and his partner move out. Mattress in the bath, I think! grin

I think I need to look in the loft to investigate the emergency washable nappies - they are a bit ratty, but I think some are smaller than the nicer ones that I have out and I don't want to buy more disposables than neccessary.

My navel is still an innie, although it is wider and smoother than before. It was very creased to start with.

SunnyL Sun 21-Apr-13 11:38:59

I've been spending the morning scanning old photos. It's my parents 40th anniversary this year so we're making them a photo album of them through the years. I've come to the conclusion that 3rd babies don't get photographed as much as there are hardly any of me (3rd baby), quite a few of my sister (2nd baby) and flipping tonnes of my brother (1st baby). So all you ladies having a second or third think about that for when your kids want to surprise you with a nice anniversary present!

It's not like I wasn't cute mutter.....mutter.....mutter

pinkbear82 Sun 21-Apr-13 12:26:23

hello all!

aww sunny, maybe you were so cute they didn't want the other two getting jealous wink lovely present though!

I have spent the morning cleaning the downstairs carpets as stupid dog knocked over a cup of coffee and I couldn't shift the stain without getting the carpet cleaner out. packed the shopping away - although now I realise baby brain and online shopping don't mix - I have a list of things I left off the list and still need to get!! hmm Dp will love me.

had my midwife home visit Friday evening - baby's head is down, bum to the left and feet right side under ribs. and I am pleased to say I can now feel some proper movements, having an anterior placenta has meant they have been muffled and not strong but that's certainly changed the last week or so!

belly button more a flatty now than anything else.

hope everyone has a quiet Sunday afternoon and can recoup a little before the next week.

Steffanoid Sun 21-Apr-13 13:28:45

Our little one is back on my left side today, he decided to move back yesterday and lie in a way that crippled my spine, very happy to wake this morning with him back at the front again, am looking forward to this afternoon, the in laws have visited this weekend which is lovely and all but I'm pooped and have not been fed at regular intervals so am starting to get grumpy!

MrsBri Sun 21-Apr-13 13:50:36

Goodness, cycle...have they said they're planning on leaving, or is it just you hoping they'll go sooner rather than later?! Let's hope they give you the much-needed space sooner rather than later! :-)

I've been looking at ways to tell which way baby is, and I think we may actually be head down, as I get kicks at or above the belly button. It's so difficult to really tell though! Though we think the Alien movement is baby crossing and uncrossing legs. Hmmm!

Cycle, do you have any inkling what sex Babycamper is? We are team yellow, but I'm utterly convinced we are having a boy. Willing to be proved wrong, as we've no preference :-)

Sunny, that's a lovely gift for your parents. I'll keep that in mind re photos too!

Pink, I'm crap at shopping these days, so I fully understand your issues. Anything which involves memory is a challenge. :-/

Steff, not good re no regular food. Not surprised you're grumpy! Good news re baby moving, however :-)

DontmindifIdo Sun 21-Apr-13 14:09:13

Sunny - youngest child here too! However, only girl on my dad's side of the family, so hundreds of photos of me in a selection of different girly clothing bought by my Gran who was so excited to finally be able to buy pink!

this one will be getting lots of photos, I've also bought this week a big photo frame that holds multiple photos like the one we have of DS's first year ready to fill with pictures of this one.

Cycle - can you start dropping unsuitable hints, or at least insist on total boob out breast feeding in the lounge. they'll be looking for flats before you can say "colicy baby at 3am feeds".

DontmindifIdo Sun 21-Apr-13 14:10:15

MrsBri - we're team yellow here, but everyone bar 1 friend is convinced it's a second boy! I don't know, boy would be easier (looks at mountain of blue clothes I've washed and happy with a boys name we can agree on)

forgetmenots Sun 21-Apr-13 14:23:38

Dontmind and mrsbri - I'm team yellow too but everyone except one has said girl. If I were forced to guess I would guess pink but I've no idea smile

MrsBri Sun 21-Apr-13 14:29:23

We've only had one person say girl, and that's DH's brother.

Strange, isn't it, how people make their decisions?!

MrsBri Sun 21-Apr-13 14:32:26

Though my family has form for being wrong...my parents were utterly convinced I was a boy, and my sister the same about my niece! So I assume we will end up team pink, ha ha :-)

cyclecamper Sun 21-Apr-13 16:11:09

We're definitely team yellow. Midwife and Dr guess girl, but I don't mind. Girls I look after tend to end up pretty robust, anyway grin. (Girls are less likely to be autistic so I'd be happy with that!)

dontmind & mrsbri The 22 year old is in his final year at uni, so will probably move out when he gets a job. The 17 year old is getting himslf together, but has aspergers so is likely to be around at least another 2 years (he's hoping to start another college course in September, fingers crossed that they don't ask him to do anything that he doesn't fancy and he might finish it!). I reckon 3 am screaming might hurry them all up, although it is their house, so it has to be their decision to go.

learnermummy Sun 21-Apr-13 20:42:32

Back now from a nice day at mums, even the drive wasn't too painful as boys watched DVD all the way there. Also managed to leave the kids with her for a bit to escape to mothercare so now have new pjs a nice new tshirt and a lovely summer dress that just about covers my awful knees!

Good point about the photos Sunny - definitely more photos of my first than second, although since third is a girl we could go overboard again! With them both I really tried to take at least one photo each week for the first year and it makes a lovely record of how they change. They both have a huge photo book with all those pics from their first year in there. Must not forget to do this for number 3!!

AmIGoingMad Sun 21-Apr-13 21:07:17

Thanks Mrsbri for that! I'm pretty sure I had it but think I heard somewhere that immunity falls off in your thirties- can't for the life of me remember where I heard that though.

Sunny that's such a lovely present for your parents!

MrsBri Sun 21-Apr-13 21:25:08

Ooh, really? That's interesting.

You'd think they'd worry about that, wouldn't you?

I had the jabs and also a very mild case of measles in between the two. The only thing I haven't had is mumps really.

I need to start doing a list for the midwife tomorrow!

MrsBri Sun 21-Apr-13 21:30:26

Apparently single dose vaccines like us older ones had are assumed to be lifelong, as we would have had one jab as an infant and a repeat pre-school.

The MMR jab didn't always have a second, top up, jab, so if you're in the age bracket that only had one MMR jab, you may find that immunity has worn off.

Steffanoid Sun 21-Apr-13 22:25:43

Have been very worried about my weight recently as am getting the beached whale feeling rather than a glowing pregnant person and I've put on just over 2st, I'm happy with this, thought it was going to be at least double that, I'm not the smallest person to start with so it's been at the back if my mind that I'm going to balloon, how are the rest of you doing with weight gain? (Also this was after a full day off food and really needing to 'go' to the toilet)

redwellybluewelly Sun 21-Apr-13 22:29:57

Also its to do with herd immunity from what my (medical) cousin told me, that if the disease breaks out you need a certain% to not ccarry it on. But with several age groups not having that % coverage then the herd immunity breaks down and people who are susceptible will fall ill.

We had to delay MMR because paediatric team said DD wasn't strong enough, had to be given in a hospital and after we'd gone home she was closely monitored for three weeks. My heart was in my mouth though until she'd had it, what persuaded the paed was several cases of measles being admitted to our hosp and he rang and said the risk of not having it was too great.

must book whooping cough
must book whooping cough
must book whooping cough

redwellybluewelly Sun 21-Apr-13 22:32:54

stef I'm in the definitely put on weight bracket. I kept the pregnancy hidden from all but DH and obviously medical staff until 21 weeks and nobody noticed. But baby is so low I can barely wear ky maternity jeans! And another 6 weeks to go! So far though I think weight is on bump but not moving anywhere else. Yet.

Steffanoid Sun 21-Apr-13 22:41:11

The majority of mine has appeared over the last few weeks, saw my mum after not seeing her for a week and got wow you finally look pregnant! And dp last night stated you definitely look very pregnant, I took that to meaning I look fat as we'd just been out with his parents for a curry, I'm around 5"11 so the weight for my size I'm counting asa win too, hopefully will be able to bf with him which will help shift it and am planning to walk the mile to meet DP after work every day with the baby so should really be able to shift it straight back off again

redwellybluewelly Sun 21-Apr-13 23:02:05

Yup. My 'look very pregnant' has been since Easter weekend, I'm measuring two weeks ahead though, next growth scan at 34 weeks so will see baby again in 8 days! Extremely excited.

Before that I was pregnant but not PREGNANT lol. I'll have a toddler to keep up with this time and I found out the hard way last time about how long it can take to lose weight afterwards. I have had three people since Thursday tell memI'm huge and be disbelieving about how much longer I've got hmm

SunnyL Mon 22-Apr-13 01:06:19

I'm in the 'you look really pregnant now' camp and i have to say i'm loving it. Up until almost 6 months i'd put weight on my torso but i just looked like i'd had too many pies. I had serious bump envy eyeing up all the other ladies in mothercare and kept asking DH when i would get a bump. Now i've got a bump i'm totally parading it! Ive put on about 16lbs - most of that was when i had to live in hotels for a few weeks with work though. I'm planning on going back on weight watchers when babs comes along.

SunnyL Mon 22-Apr-13 01:08:57

P.s. Has anyone started getting extra pigmentation on their face? Ive got new freckles which i quite like as i've never had freckles. Wonder if they will keep appearing though and smerge across my face?

MrsBri Mon 22-Apr-13 08:33:24

I've always just looked pregnant...and have been told I'm massive for dates all the way along by everybody but the medical staff! It's because I'm all bump and barely look pregnant from behind.

No idea on weight gain and don't really care too much as I don't think it is that bad, and I lost 2 stone in 3 months the other year, so can do it again if I have to.

No pigmentation things going on. My leg hair growth has slowed down though. Interesting!

I'm another who is being told I look massive and ready to pop. I'm all bump and have put on between 1.5-2 stone. Think it does depend what I wear also some tops make bump look bigger.

forgetmenots Mon 22-Apr-13 09:28:06

I've put on about 7kg but I was a bit overweight to start with, not dangerously but wouldn't have wanted to put on loads. It's all baby bump though, haven't even had bigger boobs! Bump measuring spot on for dates but I think it looks bigger because I haven't put on much anywhere else!

SunnyL, I have it on my boobs, not my face! Look like I've been topless sunbathing! smile

Withalittlesparkle Mon 22-Apr-13 09:52:43

Sunny I havent got extra pigmentation but the birthmarks I have already are certainly getting darker. To a point where people have started asking me what I've got on my face, my make up no longer covers it.

I think I'm mostly all bump, but have no idea regarding weight gain. I know my boobs are a lot bigger now as well so I'm assuming I've gone over the 1 stone mark BUT I'm not worried, I'll think about it after the baby has arrived!!

MrsBri Mon 22-Apr-13 10:02:37

My boobs are epic! I've really outgrown the 38E bras I was fitted with, but going to struggle on until I get fitted with nursing bras in a few weeks' time.

My thighs and arms seem more chunky. We shall see what I'm left with 6 weeks after birth / breastfeeding and go from there, I think!

Sunbeam18 Mon 22-Apr-13 10:34:51

MrsBri, my leg hair growth totally slowed after first trimester! And I'm having boy! Just to let you know...

MrsBri Mon 22-Apr-13 10:56:27

Interesting, Sunbeam :-)

Olimoss Mon 22-Apr-13 11:01:16

Morning! Christ these Mondays roll around fast. I always notice them extra cause Monday is the day I click over into a new week of up-duffness. 34 weeks today.

So after a full day at the hospital on Friday with raised blood pressure, dodgy liver function results on blood tests and protein-in-wee, I was dragged back in today for a repeat. More bloods taken (my poor arm), monitoring, wee, BP measurements. BP today is remarkable and unusually low. Unhelpful. But they're concerned so I have to 'slow down and chill out' -HA - and come back to see the consultant on Wednesday to 'make a plan', after calling in for the blood results in about 3 hours.

Chill out and slow down? How?!?! I've SO much to do. At least managed to pack a bag of stuff for the baby for hospital so that's something. We've got landscape dudes in ripping up and replacing our feral decking for the next two weeks so home is not exactly quiet or peaceful. I've got 4 weeks till end of contract on one job and a whole lot of their work to do on the second contract. Too much...

ANYWAY we shall see. Bit worried by what they might mean by 'make a plan'!!

Sarah - re: CSections - I was told no liquids or food from midnight the night before, they give you 2 Ranitidine tablets to take - one night and one morning - with a sip of water only. We have to arrive at hospital for 730am and at C&W they try to get all planned CS done by midday, which is aces, barring emergencies. Takes bout 10 mins for baby to come, at most, once your in and on the table, then another 30 mins to stitch up. Mic you get up and recover well sometimes they'll let you home after only one night, although the average is two. Basically drink lots of water so your renal function can get back to normal ASAP after the spinal.

I've only put on 6kg which is a relief, as I had feared getting massive, and I think it's mostly boobs and bump. Lord knows how big the boobs will get once milk comes in. Utterly offensively enormous, I expect.

Sorry bout mammoth post...it's all go here. I've come to Westfield to do sme work on the laptop as home is full of men carting bits of shitty decking through the house.

forgetmenots Mon 22-Apr-13 11:26:57

Me too sunbeam!! I'm team yellow... Hmmmm!

redwellybluewelly Mon 22-Apr-13 11:42:51

Oli I'm the same re Mondays, its my rollover day so I always feel extra pregnant! You're a week ahead of me, I'm 33 weeks, high risk care kicks in next week at 34 weeks and thats when I'll need a season ticket for the ruddy hospital car park. £2 a trip an in April so far I've been eight times between me and dd.

Searching for proper blackout curtains now for baby's room, first coat of paint went on yesterday and thanks to the panic after reading how organised others were there are now ten little baby vests and six little babygro's swinging on the line. Both sets of retired neighbours have come out for a session of cooing over them.

I've also been told to slow down, which is difficult with the deadlines I have but impossible with an active almost three year old!

Olimoss Mon 22-Apr-13 11:49:09

Here in London £2 parking sounds cheap! Costs me a over a fiver to go to the hospital on public transport!

D'you know we've not even considered blackout blinds. We've plantation shutters on all our windows and so was just going to leave them as-is....are we making a terrible mistake, albeit one that looks lovely?!

pinkbear82 Mon 22-Apr-13 12:32:02

dreamt about baby coming early last night.... probably need to pack my hospital bag rather than just consider doing it.

exhausted already today - and bump objects every time I bend over, so of course today would be the day I manage to put my knickers on back to front and have to double the bending hmm

slightly envious of you with less leg hair growth! mine still sprouts within minutes of shaving.

Although I'm team yellow we both think it'll be a girl - Dp hoping desperately it's a boy, no matter what he says.

MrsBri Mon 22-Apr-13 12:38:34

Pink, I'm an expert at knickers on inside out...and not spotting it for ages!

My leg hair normally grows really fast, so I'm making the most of it slowing down :-)

Can't wait to see the midwife later and find out which way baby is facing.

Oli, glad to see your BP is down today...must have been a blip! Will be interesting to see what the plan will be.

Bit weird winding down at work as I'm almost twiddling my thumbs. Ho hum!

learnermummy Mon 22-Apr-13 12:46:48

I am definitely too scared to get on the scales! Will deal with that after delivery! Everyone thinks I'm huge and surprised how long left. I was absolutely enormous last time!!

As for hair growth, after delivering my last son I lost all underarm air for quite some time - bonus!

redwellybluewelly Mon 22-Apr-13 12:49:38

Oli I would happily go on the bus to our hospital but then its nearly a fiver! Although I always forget to factor in cost of petrol.

So who is next to finish and go on leave? My date is 24th May. Still a month to go! Want to get one of those cuddle dry robes and a bath seat, whats everyone got? I'm not getting a baby bath but do still quitw like the look of those 'dam' things whoch stop you having to run a whole bath for small people.

cyclecamper Mon 22-Apr-13 13:08:15

Sunny I have had extra pigmentation for the last couple of months, although I am naturally fairly freckled anyway. I also have some itchy red spots on my bump and so on.

I have to get the bus to the hospital - I don't have a car and it's too far to walk. I used to cycle, but it's too up hill for my present state! The bus is £2.80 with an oyster card (bloody Boris putting the price up every 5 minutes!) but last time I parked there it was at least £3. Although there are nearby streets which are unrestricted. Bus fares in London are at least capped so that after the 4th bus you don't pay anymore.

I am torn between wishing I had a job to finish from and go back to and being glad that I can enjoy my house! It is annoying that being unemployed means I have the time to do lots of things I have been meaning to get around to, but also not having the money (or now, the energy) to do any of them.

Olimoss Mon 22-Apr-13 13:12:01

Yep, with a bus and a tube journey each way, I guess the hospital appts cost closer to a tenner. Insane.

Re: baths, as they don't need bathing every day for a while, we plan on bathing New Human in the kitchen sink for a long as he will fit! We've bough one of those blue and white Angelcare bath chair thingies to use afterwards, till he can sit up on his own.

Can I ask if anyone knows why they don't recommend you use a used cot mattress? We've been given one that goes with the cot we were also given, and it looks immaculate, as do the sheets and mattress protector that came with it. Seems mad not to use it all....

Sarah2506 Mon 22-Apr-13 13:14:27

Oli thanks for that info. I have noticed that various hospitals have their C sections info sheets online. Barnet of course doesn’t. Have hospital app next week so hoping will find out more then. I have nothing to confirm my 7th June date other than the fact it was written in a diary in front of me. I have this fear it will suddenly be either changed or they will decide I don’t need one. I read somewhere that women with the same issues as me (perianal Chrons disease) have a 1 in 10 change of ending up with permanent faecal incontinence post vaginal birth, and 50% chance of needing reconstructive anal surgery so much as I hate the section idea it probably is for the best!

Am very jealous of the 14lbs, or 7Kgs weight gains! I have gained 16kgs so far. With 7 to go and 0.5 kgs a week recommended that puts me on for a just shy of 20kgs gain. No one has told me off, but I think thats cos I hold it relatively well, am tall with good posture. I had previously kept my weight in check with a concentrated programme of quite heavy exercise – 10 mile runs, mountain climbing, 25 mile return cycle to work. I don’t think I would be able to lose the weight without such activity, but I’m not likely to have the time or inclination. I look at photos from our September holiday and think who on earth was that skinny girl!

Mondays blow. I have only two more of them at work though!

Sarah2506 Mon 22-Apr-13 13:15:56

Oh and the hospital car park at Barnet is a flat 8 quid regardless of how long you stay. And most of it is being dug up at the moment. We may well be coming home from hospital with the baby on a bus.

Olimoss Mon 22-Apr-13 13:18:00

I'm afraid we totally plan to black cab it both ways. Parking in Chelsea is RIDICULOUS.

Olimoss Mon 22-Apr-13 13:19:19

Sarah - hope you get your CSection info soon. It is good - and weird - to have the date sorted, assuming nothing happens to bring it on earlier. I am reassured by fact that unless lots of emergencies happen on labour ward that we won't be waiting beyond midday for the whole thing. If nothing else I'd get massively starving and cranky-faced.

SunnyL Mon 22-Apr-13 13:39:56

Here in Edinburgh they built the hospital under PFI conditions. This means if you park in the car park it goes up incrementally depending how long you stay - think its up to £7 per day. There is no bus for us (we live in the country) and a taxi would cost £30 return so we'll end up doing the car option plus DH is a car nut and can't be separated from his motor. The thought of contracting in the back of a taxi makes me scared -is it like when you're drunk if you get any mess inside the cab they make you pay?

Sarah2506 Mon 22-Apr-13 13:39:56

It is weird knowing. I'm sure we won't sleep the night before. That morning I think it's probably best if we don't speak to each other as I will just get wound up. I plan to take my ipad in and watch some utter trash until its time!

cyclecamper Mon 22-Apr-13 13:48:37

Olimoss the advice about matresses is to do with the increased risk of cot death. It is one of the recomendations of FSIDS that a new matress is used for every baby.

Sarah2506 Mon 22-Apr-13 14:21:29

Oli have lovely image of you stood on the Kings Road trying to hail a cab :-)

Olimoss Mon 22-Apr-13 14:28:02

cycle ah ok thanks, so not worth messing around with, then.....shame, seems a waste! Maybe it is a good dog bed instead....

Sarah - think we will just use teh Hailo app - It's like magic, that thing!

Sunbeam18 Mon 22-Apr-13 14:31:15

I read that too, cycle. No-one knows quite why, but there is increased risk of cot death if the baby is sleeping on a used mattress. Even a mattress used only by a sibling is not recommended. Not worth the risk. It's the one thing you do HAVE TO buy new.

learnermummy Mon 22-Apr-13 14:36:31

Probably going against the grain here but think reason they recommend new mattress is to do with bacteria from previous baby's vomit multiplying in foam interior so if mattress has waterproof cover on and nothing has got to the foam interior then I would probably reuse. In hospital they don't have a new one for each baby.

Olimoss Mon 22-Apr-13 14:38:40

The one I was given (is a John Lewis one, goes with the cot) has been used but always had a fabric plastic-backed mattress protector, which I've also been given....so confused!

learnermummy Mon 22-Apr-13 14:49:24

Can't do links on phone v well but hopefully here's the fsid advice.


Olimoss Mon 22-Apr-13 14:55:21

Thank you!

SunnyL Mon 22-Apr-13 15:14:05

Just been given a massive bag of reusable nappies from one of my colleagues at work. This means we now have all our nappies until potty training.

So far I've been the cheapest future mummy in the world - I've bought 1 set of sleep suits, some wall paper, a breast pump, a cot mattress and that is it. Flipping ace being a cheapskate and being willing to accept cast offs from everyone!

cyclecamper Mon 22-Apr-13 15:38:38

I don't know Sunny. I haven't actually bought anything for my baby at all. I have plans to buy a mattress and a bike trailer new and that might be it! And my father in law has contributed towards the latter of those. smile. Oh hang on, I did buy a thing of baby wash/shampoo at the hippy shop so that's one thing grin.

MrsBri Mon 22-Apr-13 15:50:39

I think our hospital is about 8 quid per day, on a sliding scale. You can buy a weekly pass for about 12 quid, so if I have to stay in more than a day, that will be the best option.

Had my check up today. All good. Baby B is lying on the left, head down (though his bony bum caused confusion to start with, but his heartbeat was low down, so that means he's head down). His limbs are all waving about too! Good heartbeat of mid-140s and my BP is managing to stay normal, thankfully. :-)

I'm measuring 2 weeks ahead, but that's fine as 3 either way is when you get a scan.

DH is stupidly happy with everything, bless him! Discussed birth options too. Feeling a bit real now!

Sarah2506 Mon 22-Apr-13 15:55:16

See if that was me Mrs Bri I would buy a weekly pass up front to jinx it in my favour and ensure a straightforward delivery and discharge six hours later. If you pay as you go you will end up being in for a week!

MrsBri Mon 22-Apr-13 16:20:28

For the sake of 4 quid, you have something there! :-)

redwellybluewelly Mon 22-Apr-13 16:59:20

Our hospital has a policy for NICU parents where you pay the first hour but no more, given when we got a pparent room we would have had to pay three days straight and its a fair whack every day. Wonder of that policy applies to any other long term parking.

I found the CS info useful too, so far been told nothing except the date, haven't even been told the time we need to be on the ward yet!

I'll be baxk later re mattresses. Terrible toddler requiring food!

curiousgeorgie Mon 22-Apr-13 18:02:48

When I had my CS, I had to call the delivery suite at 6am to make sure they hadn't had loads of emergencies come in, and then go in at 7.

I was first ( thank god!) and walked to theatre at 9.15 with DD being born at 9.58.

It was such a good experience smile

AlohaMama Mon 22-Apr-13 18:07:09

glad your out of hospital oli, sorry you're so busy, all sounds a bit stressful.

happy to join the 'not buying anything for baby' camp though to be fair that is because we have most of it from ds. hardly ever bought him clothes though, we had so many hand-me-downs it was great. this time all i've bought is a new bottle brush & nipples, a few baby gros, and new pump tubing. and that's it. but then finally bit the bullet and decided to splash out on a new double buggy - phil and teds navigator. Well I say splash out but actually by the time we sell our existing jogger, and double (which we bought for our childminder) and probably gift cards from people at my baby shower, there probably won't be much left to pay.

on mattresses, i heard was to do with sids risk but it seemed a bit uncertain as to exact link other than something being absorbed by the mattress. saying that we're using our same one for new baby, it has a plastic cover on the mattress itself plus we've always had waterproof mattress protector. i did buy new moses basket mattress though as they have no protection and ds has been using it as his 'surfboard' so it's not exactly clean...

ella0 Mon 22-Apr-13 19:07:01

I haven't weighed myself (or been weighed at any appointments) so I have no idea how much I've put on. I'm still in the same size clothes as I've only put weight on my bump (I've been told I don't look pregnant from behind), so I'm not worrying too much. I'm still being told that my bump looks small though (it's measuring perfectly according to the midwife).

My leg hair growth has really slowed down too - and I'm having a girl! I haven't had any pigmentation.

I finish work in a couple of days grin

Olimoss, I had a leaflet from Mothercare that if I remember correctly said a used mattress can increase the risk of cot death (I've forgotten what reason it gave - maybe due to risk of mould spores, or I could be making that up!).

At our hospital, if you tell the car park attendant you're in labour then you get to park for 24hrs at a much reduced rate (£3 I think).

redwellybluewelly Mon 22-Apr-13 19:49:27

Mattresses I was told it was due to spores on the mattress between different babies. I am buying a new mattress for the moses basket which we are being given by a friend. Our cot mattress however was an organic green sheep one and we paid extra for a second thin mattress cover, DD never slept in it until eighteen months and she was also never sick in it, so I'm replacing that cover but not the actual mattress.

I'm also buying a new more comfortable mattress for our bed nest co sleeper which I wanted to sell but DH and I looked at its value second hand and looked at the other co sleeper which I liked and decided to just keep the one we have. As soon as I've recovered from the section we'll use the moses basket at night anyway.

That's not to say I don't take the advice seriously just that I've weighed up the risks and decided thats our compromise. If I can get my hands on a mountain buggy before baby arrives then I'll probably get a new carrycot mattress.

pinkapples Mon 22-Apr-13 20:09:26

Had an epically crap day at work so in the bath now trying not to fall asleep

Decorator starts tomorrow on baby's room too grin

33 weeks tomorrow and absolutely knackered trying not to go to sleep

That is allllll zzzzzzz

pinkapples Mon 22-Apr-13 20:09:39

Had an epically crap day at work so in the bath now trying not to fall asleep

Decorator starts tomorrow on baby's room too grin

33 weeks tomorrow and absolutely knackered trying not to go to sleep

That is allllll zzzzzzz

redwellybluewelly Mon 22-Apr-13 20:19:38

Why not have an early night? Sorry for the shit day, how much longer have you got to go before you finish? This is my last four day week and then its three days a week for four weeks.

Rue how are you getting on? I'm thinking you must also be getting to see your baby quite a bit at scans? And has anyone seen our twin mummy to be?

Steffanoid Mon 22-Apr-13 20:32:06

I've had a rubbish day, my sister had to go to the doctors, she had a c section and her scar got infected and she has to have the dressing changed, she doesn't drive and it's usually mum who takes her but couldn't today as she was out, as the one who's on maternity leave and the little sister I had to go over to her town to take her but she got her appt wrong by an hour, I was already in a grump as it was and this made it worse cause I had already gone round to sort lunch out for her, I feel rubbish about complaining but I'm pooped and it wrecked the remainder of my afternoon, doesn't help that she really rubs me the wrong way by telling me what I'm going to and not going to do when my little boy is born, it's her first and he's 5 weeks old but I've been told my bottles are wrong, I've got tommee tippee ones she told me they're rubbish and I should have dr browns, this was before she'd even had her baby, and since then it's non stop, it's not even in a trying to be helpful way it's a lecture way, sorry rant over

pinkapples Mon 22-Apr-13 20:48:20

Red I've got at least another 6 weeks (7 till baby comes) hubby sold his bike so he's waiting for man to come and get it and I'm on counting duty am on the sofa now chilled out with dogs an hubby got bump ache after running around all day (ofsted were in nursery) so feel like I've nearly sat down and the one day I make myself a sandwich for lunch they turn up and I don't bloody eat it hmm typical

AlohaMama Mon 22-Apr-13 21:23:24

Goodness some of you ladies sound like you're working so hard! Hope you get time to relax a little.

Just got back from drs, have put on 13lb so far and size looks normal, though growth scan booked for next Mon. Hopefully then I'll be able to have an idea of what this labour might be like. Forgot to ask about being signed off 2 wks before due date, which I think is the earliest I can, so will have to find out next time.

Dh back from England on Wed (hurrah) which then means decision time - should we stay, or move back! Scary stuff.

Is anyone doing hypnobirthing? If so, classes or just reading a book or CD? I bought a book, after doing some reading that convinced me it could be useful even for a cynic like me, but so far I've not been impressed by what I've read. Its very simplistic and seems to say that if you're not scared then birthing should be entirely without pain, easy etc etc. Almost as if complicated labours don't happen, or if they do, its all due to fear. Anyone??

AmIGoingMad Mon 22-Apr-13 21:26:24

Mrsbri thanks for the mmr info- your research skills are impressive!

Oli- glad your blood pressure has gone down. I hope all the tests come back with good news for you.

Stef- deep breaths! It's the only way to get through the being preached at/ day being stolen from you.

Extra pigmentation definitely going on here. A few patches on my face that aren't covered by my make up!

I'm also in the ' you're huge! They must have your dates wrong!' Camp. Flattering isn't it!

Have midwife appt tomrw so will see what she has to say on the whole thing!

AlohaMama Mon 22-Apr-13 21:31:41

AmI I'm inclined to think people just forget how big pregnant women are. After all there is a whole baby plus big bag of waters in there. It seems like very few people get told they are small and most get told they are big. V annoying though.

cyclecamper Mon 22-Apr-13 21:46:54

Steff that's annoying, losing a day. Tommee Tippee bottles are fine. I rather like them. Most babies will cope with what bottles you have.

DontmindifIdo Mon 22-Apr-13 21:51:16

We're not going to replace our mattresses either - but then both have been wrapped in mattress protectors as well. (which are being replaced!)

Hadn't heard about increased risk of SIDS, now going ot read up...

AlohaMama Mon 22-Apr-13 22:15:24

For those on the mattress debate, here is bupa advice on mattresses

AlohaMama Mon 22-Apr-13 22:16:02

Argh link fail, try here

redwellybluewelly Mon 22-Apr-13 22:28:35

Um. I can't see anything on there? Might be because I'm on my phone. Will have a quick look tomorrow at work.

DH has manged to win not one but two tub chairs which I'm hoping will finish off our baby room (and one for the kitchen or living room) just agreed I'll do toddler duty all weekend next weekend so he can finish painting. Wish I could do it, I'm quicker!

I'm surviving thanks Red - another growth scan on Thursday morning, I'm just hoping that the growth has levelled off else I'll be having more discussions with the consultants on Tuesday confused. I'm in epic amounts of pain at the moment though thanks to SPD - can barely walk, taking painkillers every day, not sleeping well at night which isn't exactly helping in the day either! Still, just over 3 weeks to go until my section date... How are your plans for childcare for DD going? Did you manage to get anything sorted?

We've bought a new crib mattress - for about a tenner so it seemed rude not to really - but won't replace the cot mattress, it's got a plastic cover and gets well wiped down but has already done DD and DS.

Hospital parking - our hospital lets people with either long term illnesses that mean regular appointments (eg dialysis/chemo) or people with close relatives in ICU/babies in NICU pay for a weekly parking permit. The weekly pass is £5, and the hourly rate in the carpark is £3 so it doesn't take long for it to be worth it! Still took them 2 weeks to actually tell us about it when DS was in NICU though...

It's just occurred to me that the one thing I haven't thought about yet is car seats, we don't have the one DS used as it was borrowed off a friend (who is currently using it for her DC3). Bugger!

Oli - glad your BP seems to be behaving itself, hope it carries on.

Pink - hope you stayed awake long enough to get out of the bath grin

SunnyL Tue 23-Apr-13 03:11:34

Had a crappy day at work today (actually it was yesterday now) which involved this silly moo i've been working with sending me some stupid passive agressive email along the lines of 'you dont seem to appreciate me - stop being so condescending' when i attempted for the thirdtime to explain why trying to change our contract 9 months into a contract was a) more work for us and b) uneccessary.

I knew i'd wake up in the middle of the night and stew about this. Why should i care at this stage? Ive got less than 4 weeks left at work. By the time i get back this contract will be almost finished. She is an arse and will always be an arse. What is quite amusing is she has been vaguely fishing for a job with my company but afteri showed her email to a bunch of folks in the office i think i'll be safe to go on maternity leave and not come back to her occupying the desk next to me. Arse!

AlohaMama Tue 23-Apr-13 06:21:37

Sorry to hear about your work sunny. Not long to go now though.

Sunny she sounds a nightmare!
Rue sorry to hear your pains bad.
I'm in the can't sleep but always tired camp at the minute. I think its partly as I have lots on my mind, what we need to do in house before lo arrives, not packed hospital bag or washed any of his clothes or bedding yet. Also work haven't got cover for me yet so I'm starting to panic there although there is little I can do and I know I shouldn't be worrying about it. 2 weeks to go and I'm more than ready to finish, especially if this sunshine decided to stay out smile

SunnyL Tue 23-Apr-13 07:20:34

Its ok i'm fine now. Just needed to vent otherwise i would never have gotten back to sleep. Its a new day and the sun is shining so going to take the longer route to work so me and the dog can have a proper stomp.

Not long now ladies.

P.s. At our antenatal class yesterday they had a lady bring in her baby to talk about breast feeding. I was totally mesmirised by baby and got a little emotional when she left. Think i'm definately ready for a baby now DH said he was petrified by baby but i'm ignoring him

SunnyL Tue 23-Apr-13 07:53:59

Oops just opened the curtains - definately not sunny! Oh well will just have to generate my own sunny disposition!

redwellybluewelly Tue 23-Apr-13 07:57:11

We had a lovely surprise this morning, DD who is quite possibly the world's worse sleeper woke up in her own room this morning and apart from a brief cuddle at about 1am when DH woke her accidentally she slept all night. Only took her until she is 32months old! Disclaimer she does have health issues which interfere with sleep so not wholly her fault and please God don't let the one indoors be such a terrible sleeper!

learnermummy Tue 23-Apr-13 09:20:03

Aloha I did a hypnobirthing course last time (Marie Mongan). I would recommend it, although you do have to put lots of practice in and I haven't had time to do any yet this time. The course does make out that labour shouldn't be painful etc, which does a little set you up to fail in my opinion, but if you have an open mind it does really help you deal with the pain. My labour did hurt, but was very fast, and the only point I felt I couldn't cope was at transition. Last year I came across some video that my DH had taken during labout and was very surprised how relaxed I looked! Didn't feel relaxed at the time!

Great news on your DDs sleep redwelly, hope she repeats that tonight. Mine weren't great sleepers as babies even without health issues. Just hoping this one is different! Seemingly unlike the rest of you nothing seems to stop me getting a great night's sleep, so getting up regularly again is going to be a shock to the system!

All this talk of hospitals and parking makes me think I should really consider that I might end up in hospital. I don't even know where delivery suite is! Not even sure they do tours.

redwellybluewelly Tue 23-Apr-13 09:35:28

learner our unit doesn't do tours, used to but then stopped about a month before we did NCT with DD because of their concerns about infection being brought onto the unit. One consultant I saw offered me a tour as a special one off to help me 'get over' my last delivery there hmm

I didn't buy coffee on the way in today due to lack of cash and despite the better sleep last night oh boy is my work suffering!

Olimoss Tue 23-Apr-13 10:16:42

Morning all.

Sunny - people like that never get too far in my experience. Hope she leaves you alone for the most part, till you can escape.

Rue - hope your pains go away, sounds so tiring...

LittleMiss - I find that even when I think I've had an amazing night's sleep I'm still tired when I wake up anyway....I think these parasitic babies are just taking everything they can from us in these final weeks, to get as fat as possible before they hit the mean, cold world outside!

So for the first time ever I've woken with swollen feet and a bit swollen hands. Not sure whether it's to do with how up duff am by now, or whether I should be concerned in respect of the dodgy pee/dodgy liver results/dodgy blood pressure. I'm just going with 'it's fine, ignore' on the assumption that am seeing consultant tomorrow and can raise with him/her then. And have another scan on Harley St on Thurs morn to check the amniotic levels so it's not like we're being too neglected.


There are gardening men making heaps of noise and mess in my house so I've escaped to a local cafe to work. Mmmm coffee.

OH oh oh - totally forgot. Had breastfeeding NCT session last night. Spent 90% of it outraged, found it totally unbalanced, fully biased and totally useless when it comes to making an informed choice about various ways to feed your baby. Suppose it is a breastfeeding session but still....there was no discussion about why breastfeeding might not work for some, and how to address that to make sure your baby is fed enough. No discussion about differences in milk let-down times (ie: how it can be affected by what type of birth you've had), nothing like that.

I did pick up a couple of useful tips for breastfeeding though (mostly the laying down approach, seems aces) so mustn't moan too much. I am moaning, though, it really pisses me off. I'd like to feel I'm making an informed choice rather than being railroaded by guilt into taking a particular path.

* rant mostly over *

learnermummy Tue 23-Apr-13 10:37:49

Don't want to panic you Oli but I would call the hospital about your swollen hands and feet. My sister had pre-eclampsia and you can't be too careful. Hope it's all ok.

Olimoss Tue 23-Apr-13 10:42:59

Oh gosh really? They're not like massively swollen - I usually have bony feet and this morning they're not like balloons, just not bony.

pinkbear82 Tue 23-Apr-13 10:46:31

I'd call oli, in light of the last few days and your tests it might be something they want to know.
fingers crossed they say you can wait until tomorrow but I have a feeling they may want to check you over again.

best of luck - let us know x

Olimoss Tue 23-Apr-13 10:47:47

Gah ok. Thanks all....

redwellybluewelly Tue 23-Apr-13 10:55:49

I'd call as well, if in doubt then always ask.

Re the feeding down - I had to wait until DD was a bit bigger - 7/8 weeks I suppose as she was too tiny to hang on - best advice I can give is have those numbers I posted before to hand and ask for advice from breastfeeding councillors rather than midwives who are not sadly all well trained

Steffanoid Tue 23-Apr-13 15:41:07

Have had my first belly stroking by a not so random friend of the family today, this is the first person other than DP who has touched my belly (im impressed igottnis far)and lots of gosh only 33 weeks today, well yes, if I was further I'd have said surely! To top it off my mum has been calling me a frigate which is apparently a very large ship, and she has revelled telling everyone at the funeral we were attending that I'm like a ship in the night :/

AlohaMama Tue 23-Apr-13 16:15:32

Hope its nothing to worry about oli but let us know how you get on.

Steffanoid families can be so sensitive can't they!

Sarah2506 Tue 23-Apr-13 17:15:38

oli I have now started using 'aces' at work. It's a good word. I never heard it before you used it. So, 'thanks for dealing with this Bob, your response is aces'. Lets see how that pans out.

MrsBri Tue 23-Apr-13 18:04:43


My day has been a bit dull...this wind down thing is all very well and good, but I've had time to do all of tomorrow's tasks as well as today's today. Tomorrow could be a thumb-twiddling kind of day! Ah well, only 7.5 days left :-)

Baby B has been doing god knows what today, but I've had various body parts poking out all over, feet in the ribs and lots of 'Alien' movements going on. I hope he's not busy turning round again! Think he may be though. Clearly head down is not where he wants to be!

I asked the midwife about tours of the maternity unit, and they're on a Sunday. We have to call up at lunch time and see if it's happening before heading over at 2pm. They've only got one birthing pool and we have to say when we ring up in early labour that we'd like to use it. In fact, the midwife wasn't that interested in whether I was writing a birth plan or not!

Oli, I hope that you called up and got checked out, or at least reassurance that it could wait. Give us an update when you can.

I need to start my hypnobirthing DVD thingy. Will get round to is once I finish work, I hope. Not sure I'll get that much practice in, but will have a go at doing some, at least.

Rue, sorry you're in so much pain. I hope the next 3 weeks rattles past so you can cuddle your new baby and move on past the aches and pains.

Regarding breast feeding, I have an NHS course on 6th June to go to, plus there's a helpline to call once you start breast feeding for help and assistance if you're having problems. They're rather into promoting it up here, which I think is great.

Steff, I'm impressed that you've got to 33 weeks without being touched. I can't say the same, but there haven't been too many people and certainly no randoms!

Right...DH is just dishing our dinner up (well trained) so time to shift my bulk from the sofa to the table now. :-)

I'd just like to say that if you're offered a piece of pregnant belly size tubigrip, take it, it's marvellous stuff. I put mine on today and its really helped me getting around - it feels like its holding the bump up rather than me iyswim. Which makes a nice change. Although I do feel sore, I've not taken any painkillers today which is a massive change. Just hope it carries on doing its magic now.

I've also been shown/told all about colostrum harvesting, so will be starting that this evening. Not very dignified, milking your own boobs for 1ml of liquid gold, but never mind grin

Oli, hope you got checked out and are ok?

Sunbeam18 Tue 23-Apr-13 19:07:16

Busy day on the baby front today - we had our 32-week scan and all looks good. He was opening his little mouth and sucking his thumb and fingers! Head down, feet at my ribs at the mo - hope he stays there. Measuring a bit over average and 4lbs something. It all felt v real! Got midwife AND consultant appt tomorrow so feeling well monitored.
Hope all ok, Olli.
Only another 11.5 days at work...

AlohaMama Tue 23-Apr-13 22:34:28

rue, colostrum harvesting?! is this something we all need to know or is this particular to your situation? i'm not sure i could really get into self-milking hmm. although saying that i had to pump for 9 months with ds which I guess is hardly any more dignified.

It's because of the early delivery and risk of LO having low blood sugars post delivery, Aloha - my hospital recommend it for people with (gestational or other types of) diabetes, those carrying babies with Down's syndrome or a cleft, think there's another couple of categories but I can't remember them now.

I can confirm that it's both fiddly and not remotely dignified gringrin

AlohaMama Tue 23-Apr-13 23:52:08

well good luck with the nipple tweaking, as you say every ml will be worth the effort!

learnermummy Wed 24-Apr-13 07:53:51

Good luck with the nipple tweaking Rue!

Hope all ok Oli.

After having rushed waddle-style to the train station from the car park for my quarterly commute to the office I can really appreciate how those if you with daily commutes are finishing soon. An exhausted before I begin today!

Hawkmoth Wed 24-Apr-13 08:31:44

Morning all!
Just checking back in after a holiday. Not sure how I coped with a week trailing round Disneyland Paris, but since returning I've got the most godawful cold and can't stop scratching... So cross your fingers I can speak to my midwife today!

learnermummy Wed 24-Apr-13 08:35:35

Morning Hawkmoth! Scratching sounds awful hope you get through to midwife soon. Was Disneyland Paris good? Thinking of going later in the summer.

Hawkmoth Wed 24-Apr-13 09:00:12

Duh! Forgot how risk averse the MW team is. Off for tests and monitoring I go.

learnermummy Wed 24-Apr-13 09:05:02

Always worth checking Hawk smile

Hawkmoth Wed 24-Apr-13 09:05:37

Disneyland was smashing. Didn't realise how much walking it would be, even with staying at a Disney hotel and getting the shuttle bus. The kids loved it, the food was great and there are some excellent survival tips on here to get you through and save money. Such as, take your own kettle, make sandwiches from the buffet breakfast, take Capri suns and water bottles... And eat early in the evenings!

In hindsight, wouldn't do it again this pregnant with SPD! But probably that's obvious to everyone apart from me. Had a little cry one day after giving in to pressure from DH agreed to hire a wheelchair only to find they had run out so I had to keep on waddling round clicking and pulling faces every step... But the kids were running in circles with excitement so they were marginally easier to keep up with!

SunnyL Wed 24-Apr-13 09:21:20

Aww bless you Hawkmoth. I've had a bit of itching but its down to the varicose veins. I put my prescription in for support tights 3 weeks ago and still no sign of them so unfortunately (for everyone around me) I'm still scratching quite a bit.

Last night I made the sad decision to give up on Zumba until bubs arrives. After my walk to work and my walk home from work I'm just too knackered to do a full class. The last few times I've been yawning like an ape halfway into the class. I'm sad because the girl who runs it is lovely but is talking about closing the class because she can't get enough customers. Will really really need the class once bubs comes to work off some of this flab!

MrsBri Wed 24-Apr-13 09:33:05


Rue, can your DH help with harvesting. I know my DH would want to get involved with that!

Hawk, sounds like your kids loved the trip, even if you struggled somewhat. And itching is a PE symptom, so I'm not surprised they called you in. I've spent more time being checked out by medical professionals since 22 weeks than I had in the preceding decade, I think! I hadn't ever considered how much I'd be seeing medical professionals, somewhat naively, I suppose!

DH appeared with an iPhone for me last night...almost too much for my pregnant brain to deal with!

Sarah2506 Wed 24-Apr-13 11:51:15

Sunny I’m amazed you have kept up Zumba so long. And I say that despite the fact I still go to the gym three times a week, and do the odd long walk! I just couldn’t cope in a class based environment. I need to know I can stop at any time! I went to the gym yesterday and did think this might be it now. I pretty much only walk on the treadmill and cycle, and its boring, and it gives me a ridiculous appetite. It’s more not knowing what to do with my exercise time. Once Small Girl is here it will be very straightforward, but at the moment i don’t know what to do with myself during the 472 hours a week I would have previously been moving my body in!

Hawkmoth Wed 24-Apr-13 11:56:32

Well I'm home with a sore arm waiting for results. They've given me Piriton so I'm expecting to pass out fairly soon! Protein and leukocytes in my urine... Not good signs but hopefully just a bug. Wednesday is my busiest day at work as well, poor timing!

SunnyL Wed 24-Apr-13 12:03:39

Sarah to be fair I've been doing the fat girl version of Zumba for the last few months i.e. no high impact stuff and need to be capable of holding a conversation the whole way through. I now know why the ladies of a certain size who stay at the back of the room can walk out of class without breaking a sweat. In my non-pregnant days I used to crawl out of the class!

redwellybluewelly Wed 24-Apr-13 12:25:47

I did a reasonable amount of low impact exercise in my first pregnancy including walks, swimming and yoga, found a note I'd written in my diary for 2010 about how "might be time to start getting the bus one way home" which was about 36 weeks last time (used to walk into town to the river and back). This time around I just don't have the time let alone the energy but I'm a lot more active thanks to toddler. Hats off to anyone still doing a lot of exercise!

Hawkmoth I hope you feel better soon
Oli Any update? Hope you are being well looked after and not bored wherever you are!

forgetmenots Wed 24-Apr-13 12:49:29

Anyone know about back-to-back babies? Baby FMN is measuring perfect, healthy and well... But seems very cosy back to back! Anyone had one like this already? Reaching for the epidural as I type...

Sunbeam18 Wed 24-Apr-13 13:32:05

Hmm, after good day yesterday I am now a bit worried. Can anyone advise? Just saw midwife and there was a little blood, protein and lucocytes in my urine sample. She has sent it off for testing for UTI. What concerns me in addition to this is that the baby's measurements from yesterdays scan show his head and other measurements normal on just over 50th percentile, but his abdomen at 95th percentile. MW said he's probably just a chunky baby, but am now worried about potential diabetes or a problem with the baby. Anyone got any insights? Am seeing consultant this afternoon (planned appointment).

grainmum Wed 24-Apr-13 14:19:22

No glucose in your urine is not conclusive but a good sign re the potential for diabetes. At least you don't have long to wait to see the consultant for some explanation!

Try to hold onto the fact that the MW wasn't too worried.

SunnyL Wed 24-Apr-13 14:32:12

Sunbeam did she start you on antibiotics? I get UTI's regularly and generally they give me antibiotics while they send off the urine for testing. This is because tests can take a day or so to return.

If she hasn't it is probably a good sign that she isn't concerned that you are feeling ill. Normally I get antibiotics quite quickly because I'm probably feeling quite wretched by the time I get to the Drs.

Olimoss Wed 24-Apr-13 16:48:55

Hi hi, sorry for not responding sooner, been busy with serious work issue but finally made it to hospital today to see consultant.

Sounds like we are all in the wars a bit, eh?

I've still got protein-y pee so that's being sent off for yet more testing, but BP more normal today, thank goodness. I usually have lovely bony feet and ankles but in the last 2 days they've cankled right up. I'm not impressed! Essentially they consider me 'at risk' of pre-eclampsia so I'm supposed to take it easy, avoid the commute to office, keep relatively quiet, etc etc, to attempt to keep BP within normal limits.

Got another scan tomorrow at FMC to check growth and amniotic fluid levels. Same as you MrsBri I've never seen so many Drs, and my dad is one!

learnermummy Wed 24-Apr-13 16:51:54

Please do take it easy Oli. Glad you have growth scan too. My sister had in diagnosed PE and her little boy hadn't been growing well for weeks.

I'm not having good day today. Had awful night last night with mild tummy cramps I wouldn't say they were painful just uncomfortable. Not sure if they were Brixton hicks? Quite high up in bump where as I thought contractions would be lower down? Also had terrible hip pain which seemed to have disappeared a few weeks ago. Woke up feeling rough and still uncomfortable so phoned in sick. Spent most of day in bed. Not sure if bump has had a wriggle around as my outie that I've had for a few weeks is now an innie again. I'll see how I am this evening and if same tonight I'll phone mw tomorrow. Not in any real pain so I'm not too worried for now but there was a point last night I was panicking in case lo was wanting to make an early appearance.

learnermummy Wed 24-Apr-13 16:57:50

Forget my first was back to back but they didn't really realise until be delivered face up! Don't despair even if baby stays that way but you may want epidural as labour can be prolonged - mine was but the epi was fab!
You could try looking at spinning babies website for changing position. Otherwise think upright labouring is good esp sitting on a birthing stool or even the toilet!
For now think you're best avoiding reclined positions eg in car/on sofa. Not v comfy but I've been known to watch tv sitting on back to front dining chair to try to improve position! Either that or lying on sofa/floor on left side!

Hawkmoth Wed 24-Apr-13 16:59:24

Yawn! Remembered why I don't take antihistamines. Did stop the itching though, and naps are good. No results, will phone tomorrow.

Sarah2506 Wed 24-Apr-13 17:12:30

For the first time I am SO OVER going to work. Having handed over quite a lot already I am now VERY BORED. Also I now feel properly slow, fat and pregnant. My knees hurt, I crack when I stand up, there is fat and baby everywhere and I’m totally bored of the whole thing. And the first time I think I’ve smiled today was at the ‘Brixton Hicks’ Little Miss was experiencing, not because thats funny, but because calling them Brixton Hicks was.

Ha Sarah never even noticed, stupid phone!!
I know what you mean about fed up, I have definitely got to that point.

MrsBri Wed 24-Apr-13 17:29:38

Sarah, I know how you feel as I'm getting utter rubbish to do now. As well as stuff that I can't do from home...amending Pleadings when you need to do it by hand?! Of course, no problem. Not.

So bored of it all.

Just want mat leave to start and to be able to stop thinking about work.

I feel massive too. Totally not like myself. 10 weeks max to go. Phew!

Oli, glad you've been seen and are being monitored , and Hawk too.

Forget, there's time for baby to turn round, don't worry! I'll keep my fingers crossed!

forgetmenots Wed 24-Apr-13 17:55:41

Thanks learnermummy - good tips there! Really hoping I can coax the little one to turn but given how spirited stubborn it has been about everything else... Lets just say I'm trying to prepare!

Thanks mrsbri, how is your tiny acrobat? smile

Hawkmoth Wed 24-Apr-13 17:56:33

Work is just a worry that's not needed now isn't it? The person we had lined up to shadow me then cover mat leave has now fallen through. Need to sort that out soon!

Steffanoid Wed 24-Apr-13 18:03:35

Got an NHS breasfeeding class at 7 tonight with DP, not good timing as I'm feeling very glum and grumpy today, just made jacket potatoes with DP and had an squabble cause I didn't want to use a butter knife to cut my potato open, so I put his cutlery in the sink with the dirty pot, he called me a b!tch smile I'm feeling like someone has literally kicked me in my privates today, they're feeling really bruised when I move, not sure what itis, any one else experiencing this? Oil glad they're keeping an eye on you making sure you're ok x

AmIGoingMad Wed 24-Apr-13 18:03:53

Gosh so much happening! Those of you feeling rubbish/ having issues I hope that everything gets sorted soon. The third trimester isn't easy is it?! Massive understatement!

Those fed up with work- just keep thinking at least there's not long left now!

At my mw appt yesterday I had ++leucocytes and trace protein but mw didn't seem concerned- not that she ever does! Also had the same conversation we had last appt with me telling her consultant said she needs to check my blood pressure weekly from 36 wks after last time. Very frustrating having to have same conversation over and over with the same person when its all in my notes in front of her!!!! Also she thinks that I'm 2/5 engaged already. That seemed fine until I remembered that it works the other way and 1/5 means fully engaged! I'm 31 weeks so that was a bit scary. Forget- she also thinks baby is possible back to back here. Am measuring 32 wks.

A girl in work's waters broke last week at 30 weeks and she had little boy yesterday who weighed over 4 lb. he's in scbu but all is looking promising thankfully!

MrsBri Wed 24-Apr-13 18:04:03

My mini acrobat appears to be frustrated at his decreasing space, forget!

I now feel almost every move and he barely sits still. If he is still, he's shoving me out of the way to give himself more room! Painful and funny all at once.

Think he's not head down any more though, typically! Bloody fidget bum this one! :-)

Nice that they have personality, isn't it?

learnermummy Wed 24-Apr-13 18:06:37

Urghh wish my work would slow down. Have just been given 2 new bits of urgent work to do and only 10 working days left. Plus prob need to visit docs tomorrow as have developed an uncomfortable downstairs itch during the day!!

learnermummy Wed 24-Apr-13 18:27:02

My privates are constantly swollen and sore Steffanoid hmm

Sarah2506 Wed 24-Apr-13 18:45:35

Can you imagine if we'd popped into this chat when newly pregnant? It would put you right off! And while we are moaning- Kate Middleton! Eat some cake and look just a bit shit would you!?

I'm off to NCT tonight. I expect it will annoy me. You can't breathe through everything love, sometimes good people need hard drugs. Laters!

MrsBri Wed 24-Apr-13 18:46:22

Bloody hell, AmI...hope baby holds on in there!

Steff, I hope you and DP made up. I can relate to irrational grumpy.

Not so much the swollen bits though. Hope they feel better soon.

Learner, I hope the itch resolves. And yes, work can FRO!

My DH has just advised me that when baby comes it will be called Operation Minge Release! I'm glad he has a plan of attack / name for it!

MrsBri Wed 24-Apr-13 18:48:15

And that's the post of the year, Sarah! :-)

learnermummy Wed 24-Apr-13 19:03:14

Love it Sarah!

And love it that your labour has a code name MrsBri smile

AmIGoingMad Wed 24-Apr-13 19:16:51

Love that Sarah! I don't know how well that will be received if you shout it out in nct tho! Although I would pay to see it grin

Interesting operational code name mrsbri!!!grin

Mawgatron Wed 24-Apr-13 19:53:00

Also suffering from kicked in the flange syndrome today, and generally feeling very sorry for myself. Four weeks left at work but really feel like I want to finish sooner now. Got my 34week midwife a week on Monday so I am going to see how I feel then. If I feel like this I am going to see about getting signed off.

Can't believe I still have 7 weeks to go!

DontmindifIdo Wed 24-Apr-13 19:59:47

Sarah - my view was if it was possible to just breathe through it for every woman they'd have been no need to invent those drugs in the first place... One thing I'd say having done it, don't let the NCT person convince you it's a good idea to have an epidural for hte early stages if it's going slowly so you can sleep and then let it wear off for the pushing stage when you need to feel what you are doing - I did this, the pushing stage is the bit that hurts the most and when you most need the pain being killed!

anyway, so my news - oh I have finished work!!! I'm officially on holiday until 37 weeks then mat leave starts - oh yay! No leaving present from my boss or leaving lunch (not surprising really as he's a bit of an arse who's having a midlife crisis, just not the norm for our company - when I went off having DC1, I got a load of Harrods baby clothes from my then boss, on top of the general office present and taken to The Square in Mayfair by her, that's sort of what's expected at our place). But lovely John Lewis vouchers from the PAs and researchers, and a toy giraffe - although I nearly didn't get it as one of the other PAs wanted to steal it!!!

Now the sun's out, I think on Monday when DS is in nursery I might book a pedicure, my toenails are rather "rustic" looking but not sure I can do them myself, and DH and I don't have the sort of marriage where we could clip each other's toenails without feeling some of the romance has died.

On the swollen ankles front, I have one swollen ankle and one perfectly normal sized one, is this a good or bad thing???? I have had v low blood pressure thoughout this pregnancy (too low at one stage), I did end up with cankles last time round, is this just one of those things or should I be concerned? (It doesn't hurt so it's not like I've damaged that one - just seems odd they'd not gone as a pair)

pinkbear82 Wed 24-Apr-13 20:34:36

I'm so nit mentioning code names to Dp - I'd probably need a code name for the code name that could be used in public!

Had first of two midwife sessions yesterday as part of antenatal class - and my 34 wk apt on Friday - both midwives were very good with the 'have pain relief if you need it' - yesterday's did say there will be a point (8cm?!) where they will encourage you to carry on rather than do an epi and risk slowing things down. And she said she won't be telling us how to breathe as we're all old enough to have learnt that by now - relaxing and breathing are left to us, if you don't know what's best for you they probably can't teach it!

Hope everyone with all the checks going on is doing ok - I had leukocytes and protein in my urine again on Fri but no uti symptoms and I had only just finished a bunch of antibiotics so mw said it could be a) not eating enough and the carbohydrates being broken down and used by body to keep going (I had been very bad on Friday so that could well have been it!) and to drop a sample into GP if I felt any symptoms and get more antibiotics - touch wood all been ok and I've been much better with eating!!

only cankles with the hotter weather - gotta find my flip flops to stop the attractive over shoe hang wink but that will also mean sorting my toe nails, I assume they are still present haven't seen them in a few weeks.

pinkbear82 Wed 24-Apr-13 20:36:33

NOT. my new phone has a thing about nits and not nots! I probably should be worried about what it's trying to tell me! hmm

SunnyL Wed 24-Apr-13 20:58:20

<whispers> I really like being pregnant and told DH last night how I wished it could last a little longer because feeling baby inside wriggling away is just lovely. Sorry. Not helpful I know. I'm that git in the pregnancy books that apparently doesn't exist.

forgetmenots Wed 24-Apr-13 21:00:34

I'm one of them too SunnyL.
Enjoying being selfish and having the wee wriggler all to myself!

pinkapples Wed 24-Apr-13 21:12:23

Wow loads going on my next midwife appointment isn't until 13th may seems ages away since your all having yours now ill be 35 weeks at mine it's coming so quick finding it difficult to get up from sitting down at the mo

Thankfully no uti or swollen ankles so far so good
Hope everyone with pain gets sorted soon

MrsBri Wed 24-Apr-13 21:20:33

Ah, forget, I'm not sure how I'm going to be able to let anybody else hold baby at all. He's mine!!

My mother in law seems to think she will have him alone while I'm on maternity leave, but I don't think so.

I need to not be clingy. :-/

forgetmenots Wed 24-Apr-13 21:37:09

I think with the way ours have been mrsbri they will be wriggling out of or grasp to dance about!! smile

redwellybluewelly Wed 24-Apr-13 21:40:39

Sunny I loved my first pregnancy, adored being pregnant until I went overdue and it was 32 degrees during the day. Hell. On. Earth.

This time its been fecking hard work, mentally and physically. Partly due to unrealistic work deadlines (self imposed), partly due to having a toddler, partly due to this simply being a more difficult pregnancy and finally due to us trying to renovate much of our house before June. Wish I could have had a second blissful pregnancy, I'm not sure I'd have TTC had I known I'd have one like this!

MrsBri Wed 24-Apr-13 21:51:23

Ha ha, forget, that's very possible. :-)

AmIGoingMad Wed 24-Apr-13 22:07:46

Aw sunny and forget don't whisper about it! It's good that you're feeling so good! Also gives me a bit of hope that I'm just in a phase!

Maw hope you manage to make it to half term! I went back last week claiming I might try a week after half term and had started to reconsider but the end of the second lesson on the Monday!

I'm sure someone said on one of our previous threads but I can't remember- when can they start your mat leave from if you're signed off? Is it 34 or 36 weeks? Or a totally different number if weeks?

Starting to worry myself about baby's extreme head down ness at this stage- any second timers with experience of this?

Steffanoid Wed 24-Apr-13 22:08:47

We made up its ok smile he was just winding me up the wrong way, didn't help he laughed at me at one point, he made it up by buying me a cheeseburger after our feeding class, it didn't finish till 9! Was a good NHS class about breasfeeding, but there was a lot of 'now I'm not going to say ff is the devils food' and 2 mins later going on that ff is going to cost thousands a year and you'll be in the doctors all the time cause the baby will be infected, have leukaemia and be very ill... I'm all for bf and am going to try my hardest but she was a little preachy

MrsBri Wed 24-Apr-13 22:29:02

AmI, it's 36 weeks where you can be forced to start mat leave.

And I read something on babycentre which said that early engagement doesn't necessarily mean early delivery. Here's hoping!

AmIGoingMad Wed 24-Apr-13 22:40:48

Thanks mrsbri!smile

redwellybluewelly Wed 24-Apr-13 23:37:31

Dd engaged fully at 38weeks, she arrived at 42weeks so don't worry AmI its not a foregone conclusion.

Although. Carrying her rhat low for a month sttetxhed everything so this time baby has been part engaged since very early on, I can eat a lovely big meal but haven't crossed my legs in months!

AlohaMama Thu 25-Apr-13 00:43:19

Hope all you lot with protein-pee are ok and no further complications, and glad that some at least are enjoying the pregnancy!

Glad you made up Steff - what better way to apologise than by buying a cheeseburger?!

So I have a whooping cough vaccine question. I tried to get one this morning after having got a prescription from my dr. After 45 mins fighting honolulu traffic (see it's not all perfect in paradise!) I then had 45 min debate with the pharmacist and nurse, who wouldn't give it to me, because the manufacturer's notes said it wasn't safe for pregnant women. Eventually gave up and thought that I'd just try and get the baby vaccinated as soon as possible (6 wks rather than 2 months) then got a phone call on my way home saying that they would give it to me after all, as they'd just found out that advice had changed in the last month and now all pregnant women were recommended it (not previously the case in the US, I was making a special request). Grrr. Anyway the main problem was apparently that it was DTaP rather that Pertussis alone. So, for those who've had this in the UK, do you know if you got the DTaP combined vaccine or was it a whooping cough/Pertussis vaccine by itself? I'm now a bit worried about taking un-necessary risks and am wondering if I should just wait to get baby vaccinated rather than doing it in-utero.

Now off to take a lie down under a fan while ds naps. So hot here now, I feel like I'm continuously sweaty - urgh.

SunnyL Thu 25-Apr-13 02:51:51

Aloha i had a combined jab not just pertussis. Think it was diptheria, polio and something beginning with T - probaby tetanus or typhoid. I was totally up to date with the jabs (i do a lot of travel to tin pot African countries) but they gave me it all anyway. I may still have the leaflet in a coat pocket so let me know if you want more info.

Mawgatron Thu 25-Apr-13 06:34:26

I was going to be starting at 37 weeks anyway, wouldn't mind starting a little early wink hopefully I just had a really busy day yesterday and actually will be able to keep going.

Anyone got a wedge pillow? Been propping my back up on one of those sausage type long pillows and having a normal one between my legs, but was feeling really uncomfortable last night (spd). It's bloody agony! Got a tubigrip for in the day, but I hate feeling all restricted by it. And the spd seems to have got worse since having it, but I am guessing it would have been MUCH worse without it.

Don't whisper about enjoying you pregnancies ladies, at least some of us are doing ok! I feel like I have turned into a complete moaning misery guts so it is actully nice to know that some people are ok. In fact, if it wasn't for feeling like half of my fanjo is burning,I would probably be in the same boat!

Mmmm. Cheeseburgers. Do you reckon there is anywhere I can get one at 6.30 in the morning?

Aloha they're giving DTaP here too, I was told they don't do a single whooping cough vaccine so are giving the preschool booster version smile

AlohaMama Thu 25-Apr-13 07:26:08

Thanks sunny and rue, sounds like it should be OK then. I think I'll try for it next week.

MrsBri Thu 25-Apr-13 07:35:09

Aloha, we are given the child's combined jab here. Because we have it for baby, not us, the smaller dose is fine as the amount which crosses to baby is then just enough to see it through tip it can be vaccinated after birth.

There isn't a single whooping cough vaccine to use, apparently.

I have a Dream Genii pillow, Maw, and wouldn't be without the support it gives bump. Even though he kicks it and fidgets against it!

Hope everyone starts to feel better soon.

MrsBri Thu 25-Apr-13 07:36:25

Ah...Rue, this is what happens when I start a reply and then have a shower before finishing it!

CollectorofCookbooks Thu 25-Apr-13 08:08:10

Morning all

I think I may be the first! Absolutely delighted to say the twins are here: Imogen Rose at 4lbs 4oz, and Pippa Florence at 4lbs 3oz. From start to finish in under 12 hours!

Was staying at my parents as DH was on his last work trip to London before staying at home, waters broke at midnight, contractions started at 1am, was fully closed at 1.30, 4cm by 4am, they arrived at 11.17 and 11.27am. DH got to the hospital at 9.30am!!

Ended up with forceps in theatre. But epidurals are marvellous. And gas and air took the edge off before then.

I found it an overwhelmingly positive experience. Although I could have done without the paediatrician who came in to tell me they were fine and to announce that as I'd had a c section they would be sleepy for a while?! I shrieked louder at that than at anything else!

Good luck everyone. I have to say the midwives and staff have been marvellous, and the only time I was scared was when I first for into theatre.

Now it's a case of 7-10 days in hospital for me, and 3-4 weeks for the girls. They're in SCBU and so tiny and gorgeous. But doing well.

Hope everyone else is ok and that things go well for you all.

MrsBri Thu 25-Apr-13 08:13:19

Wow! Congratulations. How far along were you?

Beautiful names too. :-)

Well done. How exciting!

DontmindifIdo Thu 25-Apr-13 08:14:43

congraulations Collector!!!!!!! Gorgeous names! And well done on having twins without a c section. (agree with epidural comment!)

How many weeks were you?

AlohaMama Thu 25-Apr-13 08:22:28

How exciting, we were wondering where you'd got to! Congratulations, and hope you get to take them home soon. They must look so tiny and cute :-)

AmIGoingMad Thu 25-Apr-13 08:28:08

Congratulations collector! That is amazing news and such lovely names! Well done you and thanks for letting us know- it must be such a busy time for you right now! Big hugs!

Hawkmoth Thu 25-Apr-13 08:38:04

Congratulations xxx

Congratulations collector! Beautiful names.
With regards to the whopping cough jab, I read that its the tetanus part that causes your arm to hurt, more so if you have had it recently. Not sure if that was on here?

Wow, congratulations Collector gringringrin hope the girls have an easy ride through SCBU. Make sure you get some flexitol hand balm for all the hand washing you'll be doing smile

redwellybluewelly Thu 25-Apr-13 09:09:48

Congratulations Collector That is just brilliant news, I have indeed been wondering where you had got to and if the babies had arrived flowers and such beautiful names!

Look after yourself with the girls in SCBU, its easy to forget to look after yourself and when you all go home you'll be v busy grin

Steffanoid Thu 25-Apr-13 09:26:23

Congratulations! Brilliant news, glad the three of you are doing well x

learnermummy Thu 25-Apr-13 10:07:27

Congratulations collector! Amazing news! Did your DH make it?

Not so interesting is that I'm just back from docs having been diagnosed with varicose veins in my vulva and a nice dose of thrush following my course of penicillin! Soooo glamourous!

SunnyL Thu 25-Apr-13 10:23:16

Congratulations Collector. I want a baby!!

I clearly spoke too soon last night. In bed with a tummy bug this morning feeling a bit sorry for myself. Baby clearly oblivious to this and keeps mexican waving across my churning stomach. Think i'll be talking to god on the big white telephone at some point today.

Sunbeam18 Thu 25-Apr-13 10:55:01

Congratulations!!!! Wonderful happy news xx

MrsBri Thu 25-Apr-13 11:16:53

Just checked the stats thread and Collector's due date was 15th June!

Gives me hope if Baby B makes an early exit!

Sarah2506 Thu 25-Apr-13 11:45:02

Goodness, that's the day after me, so 33 weeks this Saturday. I live in fear of the Small Girl coming early. Really don't want my ELCS turning into an EMCS.

NCT better last night. No preaching. Did make me think though that there should be workshops for those having sections. Not locally, but a London one would surely be well attended. Have googled and there doesn't seem to be anything available.

redwellybluewelly Thu 25-Apr-13 11:50:54

Sarah I found a great site and book, will try and find it about CS and the ways that you can help recovery and also (for those having ELCS) accept the situation and those having EMCS come to terms with the often different outcomes to the birth you had hoped for IYSWIM.

I went out for lunch yesterday with 3 friends (all mums) and when it was mentioned by one of the other mums that I was having a CS they were all very shock about it and although they are lovely and I like them, wish I could have had baby at home or in water it did make me feel quite lonely about the fact my baby was coming out through the sunroof. Some kind of NCT or NHS information about CS and ways to make it a positive experience would be good.

redwellybluewelly Thu 25-Apr-13 12:05:43
redwellybluewelly Thu 25-Apr-13 12:14:26

Sorry - this one is much better C Sections

The first one is an authors page, the second is more about the whole CS approach and stories of those who have had sections - its been really greta to read.

pinkbear82 Thu 25-Apr-13 12:31:35

ah congratulations collector! thanks

on a cleaning mission today! not sure why but everything is getting a clean! if the dog would stand still and the cats hadn't run off they probably would too!

just booked my 36 wk mw apt for 8 May... that's not far away! a little scary. confused

MrsBri Thu 25-Apr-13 12:36:54

Nesting, pink, nesting!! :-)

learnermummy Thu 25-Apr-13 12:38:29

Try not to feel bad about the CS Red, it's by far the safest way for you and baby.

pinkbear82 Thu 25-Apr-13 12:57:28

lol mrsbri - I fear I should be putting the energy into getting things ready for bubs rather than the house but figure it'll be easier to keep on top of once rolling!

upstairs ready to attack once I've had lunch!

Wow pink, definite nesting going on! Sadly it's not hit me yet and given that delivery will be 3 weeks today (grin) I'm not holding out much hope of it turning up!

Had another growth scan this morning, all still looking fairly good, weight estimated at 6.5lbs/3kgs at the moment which isn't too horrendous. And LO is following his own unique centile line on (well, off the top of) the charts grin so that's reassuring too.

MrsBri Thu 25-Apr-13 13:11:39

Bless miniRue and his unique sizing :-)

Nesting hasn't struck me yet either, but I'm only 32 weeks today. I think I'm suppressing it until I finish work next Friday, then it'll be full steam ahead. Watch out DH is all I can say!

Oh, sorry you're feeling crap, Sunny, your illness got swamped by Collector's news.

pinkbear82 Thu 25-Apr-13 13:12:40

have to be honest ladies not sure where the energy has appeared from. if I find an answer I'll let you all know.
I do however have a mouse under my sofa that the cats must have brought in last night. it ran under there when I tried to get it out the front door. this is making me a bit twitchy, wish it was still confined to the hallway not having the freedom of my front room! angry both cats have typically buggered off as well. dp says he'll sort when Home - didn't warrant coming to rescue me right away! lol

cyclecamper Thu 25-Apr-13 14:01:32

Congratulations collector! flowers How exciting! They aren't bad sizes either smile.

I had my first antenatal class today, which was good. The MW that took it was very balanced in her views about drugs and interventions, which was helpful.

Sunbeam18 Thu 25-Apr-13 14:23:30

Yikes, someone else I know in RL just had their baby boy 5 weeks early! Better get bag packed!!!!

MrsBri Thu 25-Apr-13 15:06:35

Think I need to finalise my bag, Sunbeam! Though I'm not planning on getting my nursing bras til 36 weeks. Baby can just hang on in there :-)

redwellybluewelly Thu 25-Apr-13 15:17:35

I don't think you need nursing bras to give birth so I guess that'll be ok grin

I am too hot I remember telling everyone and anyone who would listen there was no way on this earth I was having another summer baby. And I'm having another summer baby. Too HOT phew.

pinkbear82 Thu 25-Apr-13 15:56:16

still need to actually get a few things to go in my hospital bag.... and the more I know I should be doing it the more things I find to distract me. My dad muttered something about being sent off to get things if I don't get organised - that alone should make me get into gear!!

have finished the inside of the house and feeling good about that! I am now just waiting for my toe nails to dry! (being double jointed and slightly hyper mobile has its advantages at moments like this)

MrsBri Thu 25-Apr-13 16:00:14

I want to have my bag fully prepared, and that includes nursing bras. I'm quite anal like that.

I'm open to all options for the birth, including CS, as any method of exit is fine by me, but I do want to be fully organised prior to it happening. We are all different as to what we want regarding our births.

MrsBri Thu 25-Apr-13 16:02:02

And on the subject of nursing bras, M&S has a twin pack for £14 in quite a lot of sizes, if anybody is already in the market for them :-)

learnermummy Thu 25-Apr-13 16:13:50

You might want to be braless for a while MrsBri! In the early days it's good to slather your nipples in Lansinoh and let them have some air!

DontmindifIdo Thu 25-Apr-13 16:20:54

oh god I better think about the hospital bag, that can be Monday's job.

re nursing bras, yes, i'll get one for hospital on the grounds that I'll get bigger, but don't get measured in M&S, they appear to have no clue how to measure a woman...

redwellybluewelly Thu 25-Apr-13 16:32:40

pink a friend of mine swears by painting her toenails to encourage labour to start - has happened three times now! Although I did try this and nothing, and its not as weird as some of the old wives tales grin I don't recommend the two raw pineapples - horrendous heartburn!

I had some lovely nursing bras - still wearing them, about £30 but heaven knows I've had my moneys worth.

MrsBri did you see the comment I posted a while back about some see through bags from boots - they come in a set of three, absolutely brilliant as they are clear and DH could easily find things in my bag - lipsols for example have a tendency to vanish - as do hairbands! Just thinking of anal retentive organising they were bang on.

ella0 Thu 25-Apr-13 16:44:12

Congratulations, Collector!

pinkbear82 Thu 25-Apr-13 16:51:07

Red bubs can stay put for now but I'll remember the tip for closer to the time!!!

Re nursing bras I thought I might get a couple of the ones that look more like sports bras to start with and then once home and a bit sorted get some proper ones..... Silly idea or workable?

redwellybluewelly Thu 25-Apr-13 16:53:27

pink thats what I did! I bought 2 originally and then 1 more. Started wearing them in my pregnancy with DD three years ago, and still wearing them now! Very very comfy. And dry quickly too.

redwellybluewelly Thu 25-Apr-13 16:54:19

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AlohaMama Thu 25-Apr-13 17:02:39

Ooh I have those. So comfy. Highly recommend them.

Does the price for those bras go up on down (special offer etc) or do they stay around the same?
They look very similar to the ones I'm wearing at minute, but without the nursing cups/straps and I love how they stretch as you grow instead of having to buy a size c, d, dd etc.

Sarah2506 Thu 25-Apr-13 17:17:33

The bra lady in M&S really annoyed me. She said I should come in two weeks before as that is when bump would have dropped. I said but what if baby comes early? Which of course mine is scheduled to do. She looked at me blankly. I really want some new bras now as my existing ones are tight. Surely they should be able to guess a bit? Anyway, I gave that up for now and went to Jojo and bought a couple of sleep bras. Them seem ideal for hospital and being at home initially. I reckon I'll go back and get properly fitted at the post baby stage when things have settled down a bit.

Red thanks for the website. People are similarly weird with me when I say I'm having a ELCS and I find the lack of info and apparent choice frustrating. I do understand its an operation but it is also birth and I have no idea if I can ask for music (though that will lead to an argument as I'll want something like Arcade Fire and he will want Swedish hardcore like Opeth or At the Gates), or skin to skin, or to take photos during etc. There is so much discussion on natural birth, NCT is obviously all about it and many of you have had NHS antenatal classes. What about the 10 % or so of us who are having an ELCS? Where is our info, classes etc?! And if I was planning a normal birth I would want the CS info anyway, so I knew what might happen!

Mawgatron Thu 25-Apr-13 17:20:43

Woo hoo collector! Amazing news! And also, shitting crikey, here we go!
Good tip re nursing bra, will be gettin me some of those...

CollectorofCookbooks Thu 25-Apr-13 17:52:36

Sorry ladies, bit of a bonkers day!

I was 33 weeks and 2 days - 15th June was the date the doc gave me, which was revised to 10th June on my scan, then revised to 20th May (37 weeks which is term for non ID twins) on finding out it was multiples.

Girls doing well although not seen as much of them as I'd like - may have to have a blood transfusion, have to be in bed more. DH being fantastic. I've managed to hand express twice - not much but enough to get going.

DH walked in just as I started to push! At 9.30, girls arrived two hours later. Mum was very nearly my birth partner - one day I'll be able to laugh about that 'ooh, there was none of this epidural in my day' and 'really? More water? Just let me finish this page on my kindle' Grrr

Thanks to everyone for the congratulations!

Steffanoid Thu 25-Apr-13 18:07:14

On the bra topic I've one from boots that came in a tub called contaloop and you get size 1-4 and it covers a range of sizes, all looks good, got another from m&s the other day at the outlet x

Sarah our nct had 1 class on cs. It was really good as discussed who would be in room, what happens, timings etc. we discussed how we could make it more personal with music etc. she said baby is normally given to dad but can be given to mum if you request. Think most of it depends on the hospital though. I think it helps that our nct teacher has had a cs so has a more balanced view.

Meant to add some consultants will let you take photos, film it etc but it mostly depends on consultant and how well your DH can deal with what he will see over the other side of the curtain!

pinkapples Thu 25-Apr-13 18:42:50

Congratulations collected

pinkapples Thu 25-Apr-13 18:43:02


pinkbear82 Thu 25-Apr-13 18:58:25

Ladies this is why I love you lot! Perfect bra tips and they look nice too! I shall be getting a couple of those smile

I have finally stopped for the day - although waiting or a friend to arrive for a long over due catch up. Still not sure where the energy came from!

ella0 Thu 25-Apr-13 19:44:44

I've got a couple of the Bravado bras from John Lewis. I went for those as there were great reviews for them, and because they stretch and shrink to fit. I am not intending on going shopping in town close to my due date or just after the baby's born!

forgetmenots Thu 25-Apr-13 19:59:48

Huge congratulations on your girls, collector! How lovely flowers

Taking notes about bras...

Steffanoid Thu 25-Apr-13 20:27:58

Oh dear, think I have been to the bathroom about 6 times in the 2 hours that DP has been out for, LO isn't even laying back on my bladder, he's front to my right side, it isn't even a proper wee I'm needing to do its the tiniest bit, think I'm gonna just move into the bathroom!

AmIGoingMad Thu 25-Apr-13 22:03:00

Stef I'm exactly the same and its driving me mad!

Bravado were the ones I got too and have to say that their nursing vests are amazing too- possibly even more comfy than the bras. Got mine from nursing bra shop website or something along those lines as they were a little cheaper on there.

Am finally lying in bed about to sleep and little one is having a party in there!smile

redwellybluewelly Thu 25-Apr-13 22:07:42

Under normal (I.e. not pg) conditions I'd say that sounded like a possible UTI so keep an eye on how you're feeling, I find though TMI that I have to rock backwards to almost lift baby off my bladder in order to wee properly.

Am in bed allowing myself till half past to surf then sleep. So very tired!

SunnyL Thu 25-Apr-13 22:15:20

Lying in bed with a bit of a tummy bug today and bubs has learned to do a mexican wave across me. Supplement that with a stupid cat who keeps walking over me and a dog that keeps depositing toys on me (currently have a giraffe, a meerkat, a red dumbell and a bone) and it really wasnt the most restful sick bed.

Still feeling a lot better now. Night all.

grainmum Thu 25-Apr-13 23:02:27

sarah I would be very surprised if a theatre didn't have something to play a cd on - I suppose it would then be up to the surgeon if they felt they could work with your choice - I suppose some might prefer to work without music or with something specific.

DontmindifIdo Fri 26-Apr-13 08:13:38

Sarah - I was moved into theatre to have DS (forceps, but if that hadn't worked they were going for csection, I wish I'd not listened to NCT who seemed to make me think that forceps were better than c section, realise the hard way I should have just asked for straight to c section). Anyway, I didn't have control of the music then as I was just wheeled in and they already had a radio play - therefore I gave birth to The Automatic's monster...

DontmindifIdo Fri 26-Apr-13 08:14:07

Sorry, hit post too soon! So can you ask your midwife? They should know!

Olimoss Fri 26-Apr-13 08:31:37

Collector Massive congrats and big ribbon for first prize! Very exciting.

Also, ohmyshittinggod we are all really having babies.


Had a follow up wellbeing scan at the Fetal Medical Centre yesterday, they really are very good there. All looking good, keeping on same trajectory with projected birth weight between 7.5-8lbs. Nice and average. I like normal and average when it comes to babies, I think.

Also she did the fancy 3D thingy of his face without telling us she was going to do it - was a bit of a shock! And weird. Mostly weird. We were both, 'oh god this is really real now'.

Less than 5 weeks to go, and to remind us the big John Lewis order with bottles and boob pumps and sterilisers and baby bath chairs and monitors and prams and everything had all arrived when I got home.

We've our last NCT class on Saturday and have invited everyone down to our local pub afterwards. Pleased with how many people want to come...

pinkbear82 Fri 26-Apr-13 10:40:16

first load of baby clothes in the machine. Not sure where I'll put them once dry but baby will have clothes it can wear at least!

I said to dp the other day - it's got to the point where now I can't avoid that soon this baby has to come out! obviously I knew that was the end result but to start with I could happily avoid the focus being on that fact..... now not so much! yikes!!

Sarah2506 Fri 26-Apr-13 12:18:43

John Lewis delivered to us last night as well. We now have a tumble dryer in the corner of the living room as apparently this is essential for when tiny babies come to stay with you. It looks so tacky sat there. I feel like we are proper white trash now. Can’t cover it with anything as then it just looks like a tumble dryer with something over it, which looks even worse. And it makes a racket. In between that, the Small Girl and the fact the washing machine will no doubt be on non stop the flat is going to be very noisy come June..

MrsBri Fri 26-Apr-13 13:42:37

Sarah, will it fit into the bathroom somehow? Not an ideal location, is it?

And Oli, I feel like that about the fact we are actually having a baby! Oh. My. God.

Just had our custom made Moses basket mattress delivered, to my scale drawing, so I'm glad that was right. Hurrah for doing technical drawing at GCSE! Just need it lining now.

Baby B has seemingly been attempting to escape via my belly button for the last 24 hours. Ouchy!

Sarah2506 Fri 26-Apr-13 14:12:40

Oli You have inspired me. We have NCT from 930-1230 tomorrow morning, so I’ve suggested lunch after. One couple have got back to me very enthusiastically, the rest I haven’t heard from as yet. Hopefully others will come – want to lock down these new friendships before the classes end¬

Mrs Bri unfortunately not. Tiny kitchen, small bathrooms, all part of living in a 2bedroom flat! This was bought on the basis that we will move at some point, and then we will have proper room for it! DH has banned me from looking at rightmove at the moment as he thinks it would be too stressful to try and buy and sell anytime soon. He is of course right. And there is no mortgage on the flat so I can stay off work longer, but as soon as we move that ship sails. I swing between wanting to move NOW and thinking we can stay in the flat forever so I don’t have to go back to work!

redwellybluewelly Fri 26-Apr-13 14:14:03

Sarah I've a friend whose baby stopped crying when placed near the washing machine or tumble drier so you may find its useful in more than one way!

MrsBri Fri 26-Apr-13 14:28:32

Ah, bugger. But kind of a win re no mortgage. Swings and roundabouts, eh?

We had to move from our flat per-Baby B as there simply was not room for us all in there. We fill our house pretty well too! But it is much roomier :-) Renting does make it easier to move, admittedly.

I'd really like a new fridge freezer before baby comes as ours is small. Should do something about it!

Sarah2506 Fri 26-Apr-13 15:23:39

We have one of those mini fridge freezers which was absolutely ideal when it contained only diet coke, ready meals, leftover curries and cold pizza. The freezer section was used for our climbing equipment – best to freeze things like that to prevent lurgy growing in it. The thought of ‘batch cooking’ and replacing the diet coke with breast milk fills me with dread...

MrsBri Fri 26-Apr-13 15:33:31

Hmmm...batch cooking. I need more plastic boxes and a bigger freezer. This baby is proving to be bloody expensive!

Ours is a mini fridge freezer too. Two shelves / drawers in each. Not really good enough, sadly.

learnermummy Fri 26-Apr-13 15:42:15

You don't need to batch cook. And you probably won't be storing that much breast milk at a time, so plenty of room for diet coke don't panicgrin.

MrsBri Fri 26-Apr-13 15:53:12

Strange how so many people do batch cook then!! And I'd like a few meals in the freezer, I think. Will save DH from starving if I end up in hospital for a prolonged period as his family don't really cook much. I won't go mad though :-)

learnermummy Fri 26-Apr-13 15:57:22

Ah OK, if your OH doesn't cook then a few batch cooked meals in the freezer might not be a bad idea. I'm lucky that my DH is a dab hand in the kitchen.

Sarah2506 Fri 26-Apr-13 16:02:15

The bottom floor of our block of flats is owned by a local church and rented out to lots of nice young wholesome good people. When my neighbour had a baby they all pitched up with chilis, lasagnes and casseroles. This is wonderful, but we are vegetarians! Would now be a good time to drop that into conversation, or maybe leave a sign of some description? I’d hate them to take time making a beef stew or something, and I’d also hate to miss out on a nutritious meal!

Was reading Gina Ford – yes I know thats akin to throwing the Small Girl to wolves but I’m reading a lot of different stuff as well – and she emphasises meal times for you as well as baby and suggests things like when DH makes his sandwiches for work him making one for you too for lunch the next day. Thought that was a good point – left to my own devices I will survive on a steady flow of crème eggs and skips.

MrsBri Fri 26-Apr-13 16:05:45

Drop it into conversation ASAP Sarah...need to make sure their generosity isn't wasted!

And I assume you mean Skips the crisps, not hunting in skips for food?!

SunnyL Fri 26-Apr-13 16:20:48

There's stuff coming out of one of my boobs!!

DH just muttered 'ruddy baby - taking all my fun away. Now its taken over your boobs too!'.

Made me giggle but also go shock

Sunbeam18 Fri 26-Apr-13 16:54:55

Crikey, you are good to your partners! I've been expecting mine to do all the cooking for a good few weeks now and he certainly wouldn't be expecting me to prepare food in advance for him when I'm the one giving birth!

MrsBri Fri 26-Apr-13 17:02:17

DH cooks for me, but I'm here to shout instructions to him, or go into the kitchen to offer a little assistance. He's being fantastic to me, so a few meals is the least I can do for him! :-)

I'm planning on making some meals just so there is one less thing for us to do when lo arrives. DH and I don't cope very well with lack of sleep so i'm hoping it will just makes life a little easier for the first couple of weeks especially when we will be busy with visitors etc.
nothing fancy just going to make some chilli, spag Bol etc that we can chuck in oven or microwave and eat one handed with a spoon!

Sarah2506 Fri 26-Apr-13 17:13:17

Mrs Bri - Is that because you are still providing sympathy blow jobs do you reckon?!

learnermummy Fri 26-Apr-13 17:28:40

I'm with you Sunbeam grin

Good idea about getting OH to make you packed lunch Sarah. I remember with my first I was only getting around to breakfast at 12 the first day he went back to work!

MrsBri Fri 26-Apr-13 17:31:28

Maybe, Sarah, maybe! :-)

learnermummy Fri 26-Apr-13 17:46:26

Yes, things that can be eaten one handed are a great idea Littlemissexpecting. For both of mine I spent a good couple of months eating over the top of them whilst breastfeeding!

pinkapples Fri 26-Apr-13 17:49:55

I don't think I'm batch cooking maybe I'm underestimating how hard it might be confused hubby doesn't cook so if I can't then I guess he'll live off toast and noodles hehe

cyclecamper Fri 26-Apr-13 17:52:56

Sarah I've also been reading Gina Ford. I like her routines (and have found them to work and actually make life easier than you think - you always know when you are going to be feeding and when the baby will sleep), but they aren't going to fit in very well for us - my husband would arrive home most nights just as I was putting the baby to bed, so he would never see it awake in the week. I might do GF + 30 mins or one hour, and drop it back when the baby is bigger. Routines definitely seem to help with colic and sleeping and I like my sleepgrin.

I always batch cook - we are also veggie and I find cooking a big wok of fajita veg or risotto or lentils just as easy as a small one and since I haven't been working, I've been cooking more, so we already have some stocks in the freezer. It also stops the big step son and his GF filling it with cheap chicken and chips from iceland!

I spent most of today at the hospital - I went to the Dr this am and she was a bit worried about my BP and sent me to the maternal assesment unit who were very thorough! They did BP every 10 mins for an hour, monitored the baby for about an hour, referred me to a consultant (because I'm old!) and sent me for a growth scan. It was all ok. The scan was good because it showed that the Dr and 2 midwives were all wrong and the baby isn't actually transverse, it is head down grin. I think the poor little blighter must have inherited my big bottom! I have to go in to the maternity ward on Sunday to have my bp taken again, but generally it was all very reassuring.

learnermummy Fri 26-Apr-13 18:16:17

Glad they're taking good care of you cycle.
Routines are great but I've found it tricky with breast feeding - neither of mine would go more than 2hrs between feeds during day hmm. Kept beating myself up that I was doing something wrong but they're both happy & healthy.

redwellybluewelly Fri 26-Apr-13 18:33:47

I think if you have a baby that suits her routine then great but I've known many people (3 from our NCT) who've ended up very very unhappy as their baby wouldnt fit the schedule so ergo they were doing something wrong! I think her more recent book fits with the need for on demand feeding for six weeks to build supply but fairly sure older copies have a different schedule. Another one to look at which I liked (DD didn't) was the baby whisperer.

Last time DH just cooked sausages. That was it. This time his culinary skills have been greatly improved by him cooking every evening for almost a year during the week! I do bedtime while he cooks. We'll do a mix of batch cook and online shopping lists. What I have done is write a list of meals we like, so DH can pick up ingredients.

Last time I also ate really badly, often nothing but biscuits or cake until dinner. This time I have DD to get food sorted for so I kinda have to be more organised! In fact I have intentions to batch cook more cake for visitors than actual meals.

Has anyone bought a cot mobile for their baby? We didn't last time (hoped to have one as a present) but really wish we had and wondering what others have

learnermummy Fri 26-Apr-13 20:38:52

I liked baby whisperer too. The problem I had was that with my scientist background I read so many books beforehand and when my babies didn't fit the books I really did feel like I was doing it wrong. Whenever I'd 'revised' for something beforehand I'd always done well at it so it did floor me a bit in the beginning. I'm a bit more relaxed now grin.

We had a lovely cot mobile last time Red - similar to this but different animals as earlier model. Unfortunately we got rid with the rest of the baby stuff!


Just going through my jojo and gap orders and finding that most is going back sad. Even though i'm 5ft 8 the linen trousers and maxi skirts are really too long, and i'm not in the mood for shortening!

Noticed earlier that Jojo do those bravado nursing bras mentioned earlier (at least I think they're the same) and you can get 10% off plus free delivery with mumsnet code MM21.

Sarah2506 Fri 26-Apr-13 21:14:59

I'm very drawn to the idea of a routine, but find the Baby Whisperer ideas a little more managable, mainly cos it seems more about following structure but not at a fixed time. I think I'm going to take ideas from each and see what happens! I like the idea of the 7-7 day, and I like the idea of trying to settle without sleep associations, that sort of thing. I hate the way people can be very judgmental about routine - how cruel and all the rest of it. Don't we all have to find our own way and what works for us?

AlohaMama Fri 26-Apr-13 21:15:35

Glad everything is OK cycle.

We never had cot mobile. I think we were going for the avoidance of sleep props, and 'cot is for sleeping not playing mentality. Tbh am more relaxed on that now but never felt we needed one either.

As fellow scientist learner I really liked dr weissbluth. Has lots of stats and research in his book to support his theories and is all about working with natural body clocks. He also says you can't form bad habits in first 4 months, which I found helpful as I'd been stressing about not getting into a routine. He suggests a loose schedule but at the beginning just focuses on no more than 2 he's awake at a time, and doing everything to avoid baby getting over tired. Personally it worked for us, though I suspect D's was naturally a good sleeper anyway.

Hmmm might need to go bra shopping. Sleep bra I wear for lounging around the house is disintegrating before my eyes.

AlohaMama Fri 26-Apr-13 21:17:49

That should be 2 hours awake time.

redwellybluewelly Fri 26-Apr-13 21:30:37

I agree about figurines it out in your own time, but some routines which I've seen advocated for a tiny baby are almost doomed to fail as IMHO they are more suited to a slightly older baby. Knowing when growth spurts and sleep regressions howevee was brilliant, we found the wonder weeks ace as a guide wven though dd had issues.

Re the mobile that looks lovely! Thank you. I want it as a distraction in case I need to put baby in the cot while dealing with toddler. Or even to grab a quick shower while ensuring baby is well out of toddlers reach.

learnermummy Fri 26-Apr-13 21:38:02

Had forgotten about the wonder weeks - that is brill. Think there might be an iPhone app...

learnermummy Fri 26-Apr-13 21:43:20

Wonderweeks app doesn't get great reviews but amazon have kindle version of the book for less than £4 - bargain!

redwellybluewelly Fri 26-Apr-13 21:56:27

We got the book but website gives a reasonable overview, some of the quotes can be a bit hmm but the gist is really reassuring when baby is grumpy!

pinkapples Fri 26-Apr-13 22:17:51

We have a mobile too from mamas and papas its the once upon a time one grin
Decorating finished today and was definitely the best idea I ever had having a mural done its beautiful! I just want to spend every day in there

Recommendations for routine books is fab as I've never heard of any

DontmindifIdo Fri 26-Apr-13 22:33:10

cycle - we sort of used Gina Ford for DS, the important bit is to not just read the routines, but the chapters round them so you understand why she's saying to structure the routines in that way, so you can adapt it to your DC, while she tells you not to adapt them, real world gets in the way.

however this DC will have to fit into DS's routine! I have to have DS to nursery by 8am, so this baby will have to be up, fed, dressed and in the pram for 7:40am etc.

cyclecamper Fri 26-Apr-13 22:56:27

Dontmind That has always been my problem with GF -it's harder to fit in with other children, if they have other things going on. I did use the baby and toddler book of hers at one place which worked for them. I agree about reading around. You do have to do what works for your family. I've always found routines easiest - especially with bigger families, otherwise you can end up with everyone being hungry/tired and grumpy and that doesn't make for a happy day!

I like the Baby Whisperer FWIW - there's a bit in her original book which describes the different types of cry a baby does, I remember being amazed with DD that it was right grin she really did do a little cough before crying if she was hungry, the mantra type cry if she was tired, etc. Also having a rhythm to the day worked really well for me, it meant I knew what I was meant to be doing next IYSWIM. Not so bothered about that now, but definitely helped at the start.

AmIGoingMad Sat 27-Apr-13 00:03:32

Cycle glad to hear they're monitoring you. I'm sure it'll be fine but its nice to feel like someone's keeping a professional eye on things isn't it?

I had some flashing light type things in front of eyes at lunchtime today which was scary. Am going to see if it happens again and ring midwife if it does. I just don't have much faith in her tbh.

We didn't use any sort of routine for DS but kept reading things later on and thinking 'oo that would have been a good idea' so should maybe look into it now.

Dontmind and others who have nursery/school age little ones, I take my hat off to you. I'm pretty relieved that I'll have a little bit of time to get used to having 2 before DS starts school and I have to actually be somewhere by a specific time in the morning!!!