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October 2013: Growing bumps and the second trrimester glowing begins!

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Welcome to thread six of the October bus. how long will this one last us?!

Old thread here

Stats thread here

Haylebop12 Sat 13-Apr-13 09:37:21

Marking place, possibly going to be admitted this morning as sickness has returned despite medication. Will catch up on everything later.

Hope everyone has a lovely weekend x

Oh no Hayle not again!

Umlauf Sat 13-Apr-13 09:44:09

Hello! Place marking. Oh no hayle surely it has to ease off soon? How far are you now? Having said this I'm 16+1 and still throwing up, not hyperemesis thankfully but just normal morning sickness. I was expecting it to be over by 14 weeks at the latest sad

How is everyone? Going to look at prams today! Hopefully ill get a Shortlist and then be able to find some second hand. It seems everyone has a bugaboo chameleon here so hoping there will be a lot of unwanted ones on eBay!

Flyer747 Sat 13-Apr-13 09:52:17

Marking my place....oh no hayle I do hope it lets up for you soon, you've had such a shitty time with the sickness.

Does anyone else on here have a anterior placenta or any of the ladies who've had babies before ever had one? If so any advice regarding fetal movements would be useful, I hear that it takes quite a long time (often 25 weeks) to feel any fetal movement due to the placenta acting as a cushion, trust me to be different from the norm.

Poor Hayle sad

Yep Pinsky, I saw that homebirths thread after you (or someone else?) mentioned it and introduced myself on there. We're off to visit friends with babies who we haven't told yet that I'm pregnant, that should be nice! Hope you all have lovely weekend plans.

Natalieand Sat 13-Apr-13 10:08:37

Ooo a shiny new thread!

Sorry your still feeling crappy hayley hopefully u won't have to stay in too long. Xx

flyer at my NT scan the sonography said ''and there's the placenta' I asked where it was positioned and she said it looks to her as if its at the front. Then yesterday mw asked if I had felt movements and I said no as I'm only 13+5 and placenta is at the front and she said oh I dot suspect you will feel them just yet but hopefully by your anomaly scan u will have done (which for me is at 19+4)

I'm off to pay deposit on my buggy today dh and I have chosen to go for the babystyle oyster and mothercare have a good offer on ATM plus the carry cot is only £55 if u get from them when u order buggy so quite reasonable and gunna do it on the plan where u can pay a bit off as u wish.

Terrible migraine today! Hope everyone else is feeling good :-) has anyone booked private sexing scans yet? Xx

Morning,

Sorry to hear you still ill hayle I hope it passes soon

felt flutters this morning which was nice its all getting a bit real, I think after the 4 years of trying and 3 m/c even though i have bought a few bits, it was to make me feel like it was going to happen iyswim but now i actually am starting to think i will get to take a baby home with me at the end of september smile its a nice feeling

My one is in a week natileland!!grin

HotSoupDumpling Sat 13-Apr-13 10:35:27

Thanks Orange!

Oh dear Hayle, hope you're out again soon. My MS has got worse recently, vomiting has become more frequent. Yuks.

roxvox Sat 13-Apr-13 10:37:56

Thanks roofio and pseudo. They were quite bad but when I put my pyjamas on and 'let it all hang out' so to speak, I felt a lot better and I wonder if, when walking around, I subconsciously try to stand up very straight and hold my tummy in. I think I would still have had some stomach pains regardless, but I perhaps made them worse by not relaxing my body a bit more!

We were shown our babies heartbeat at the 12 week scan, but did not hear it. Our scanning lady was a mix between focused on what she was doing and showing us things (like the 2 areas of the brain and the heart etc). She did also show us the placenta but I am not sure where it was placed! I've got a 16 week midwife appointment on Wednesday. I am going to ask her outright to check for a heartbeat, and if she can't find one then we're going to get a private scan (I hate all of this waiting to feel things!)

haylebop really sorry to hear that. I hope this will be your last sickness related visit there!

Much like others, this being my first I would prefer to give birth in a hospital than have a home birth. The midwife has tried to convince me, but I am not keen at all!

Orangeblossom thanks for the new thread... Could your bum cheek pain be sciatica? I've had it quite bad these past few weeks when I spend too long standing or sitting.

Feeling jealous of natalieand going buggy shopping, and falconsmistress for feeling flutters!

We've got the in-laws visiting this weekend so I may not be on here much... I hope you all have lovely weekends though and start to get that glow that we all have heard so much about!

cazboldy Sat 13-Apr-13 10:38:25

hayle hope you feel better (again) soon. xx

busy weekend here, we are having a stockjudging visit here in the morning, so lots of tidying up on the farm, and lots of cooking for me - we have to provide lunch.....

trouble is I really don't feel like it!

Haylebop12 Sat 13-Apr-13 10:43:57

Thanks everyone for you kind messages, gotta go through a and e mind as the ward has no space just yet so I'm not rushing in. 14 weeks tomorrow and docs seem to think it should be easing. 9 days since my last admission and I've done 3 weeks before. It seems once I start I can't stop and the meds don't even touch it. I just throw them up aswell! My mum is being an absolute gem, I owe her big time after all this!

Definitely last pregnancy for me!

roofio87 Sat 13-Apr-13 12:15:59

morning all!! thanks for the new thread!!
I'm having a hospital birth too. I weirdly like hospitals, I've spent a lot of time in them and will feel most relaxed and comfortable in hospital. I think I would bring too worried at home. that's me though, I do definitely get why a home birth is appealing!!
hayle I so hope you start feeling better soon. my morning sickness has gone to be replaced with awful constant heart burn that makes me feel sick anyway!!

CocktailSausage Sat 13-Apr-13 12:30:55

Hello. Marking my place

Sorry to hear you are feeling unwell Hayle and I hope the ms eases soon HotSoup

I'm 14 weeks today. I've been feeling movement for a couple of weeks now, though it's not regular - I'm trying not to worry.

The dizziness and heaving have eased. I now wake up with bad headaches, the tiredness is still there and am feeling stuffy but I live in hope that I will start to feel fantastic soon (as I did last time)

I have yet to receive the blood results from the combined nt but I'm optimistic as they said I'd receive a call if they had concerns.
My 20 week appointment is booked for the 1st of May.

Last night 3 year old ds told me that my tummy is bigger, I told him it was a baby. He replied no its food.
Anyone else's dc commenting?

ananikifo Sat 13-Apr-13 14:01:21

Thanks for the new thread, orange blossom!

Hayle I hope this is the last time for you. I can only imagine how awful you're feeling and I hope you feel better soon (and don't get worse again!).

Today, still basking in the glow of having told everyone, we went to Asda and Next (all one retail park) and we got a babygrow that says "born in 2013" from Asda. Next was a disappointment as the store was small and didn't have all the cute bright things from the website. Now that we're public I feel justified in looking at baby things in stores.

This morning I watched OBEM and bawled. There was a Canadian mum talking about being far from family and I couldn't take it. I'm definitely more sensitive and emotional than usual these days.

I just got a £60 parking ticket for being 4 minutes late back to my car in the free Waitrose car park while I went for lunch with a friend. I shouldn't have gone for a wee at the end. So tired and emotional at the moment I almost cried with the frustration. I saw the traffic warden walking away! They hang around like vultures at this car park so I should have kept a closer eye on the time. So annoying.

Roxvox, it may be sciatica but I looked it up online and I don't have any pain going down my leg so I am not sure. I will mention it if it is still there at my 16 week check up.

cuillereasoupe Sat 13-Apr-13 16:16:45

DP made the fatal error of telling the ILs the names we're thinking of last night. They were met with a not-very-well-hidden hmm but tough titty, we like them! grin

Does anyone know anything about antibody screening? Apparently mine has thrown something up, we need to wait a week to find out. It's not a rhesus issue I don't think as we're both + but no idea otherwise. Still, they said not to panic so I'm not. Or not much anyway.

pinkmoonlight Sat 13-Apr-13 16:18:40

Oh no hayle, I can't believe you've had to go in again- fx for a speedy recovery! Aren't we meant to be glowing now... is anyone actually glowing...? I look exhausted, fat and my skin is dry. I do feel a bit better though, even if I don't look it!

Thanks for all the supportive messages yesterday ladies, I've read up on it and come to the conclusion that the sonographer was just being overly cautious for no reason and I'm not going to let myself get worried about it smile Interesting that you're in the same situation wickedgirl- I'll keep you posted if I get told anything interesting!

I've just booked a private gender scan (I've asked DH to buy it as my birthday present!) for 11th May when I'll be 16+1. I am absolutely desperate to know!

Shirehobbit Sat 13-Apr-13 16:34:18

Afternoon all.

Sorry to hear that sickness is still being awful for some of you.

We made a tentative visit to Mothercare earlier to check out prams/pushchairs/travelsystems/car seats. Totally baffled! confused
We're going to need something that's pretty hardy and can cope with lots of terrains (dog walking). But don't even know where to begin.

Our scan didn't say anything about placenta position, but a nurse friend saw the image and said it was anterior. But I swear I've felt fluttering this last week?

pinksky Sat 13-Apr-13 16:56:11

Thank you for the new thread, Orange, and for saying about small meals. I'm not very good at that--just so used to having a proper size dinner... must listen to my body more.

Oh no Hayle! Absolutely sucks that you're going back into hosp. Hope they sort you out quickly and that this is your last admission.

Wickedgirl Sat 13-Apr-13 19:35:54

My sickness has started to ease up a bit thankfully (14+3). Today at work, the baby that I care for was sick all over me. I had to ask my boss for some of her old maternity clothes so that I could shower and put clean clothes on. I am hoping that it isn't a bug as that could be a bit scary now that I'm pregnant.

Has anyone here had a sickness bug whilst being pregnant?

Shootingstarsandcomets Sat 13-Apr-13 19:44:21

Hope you are ok hayle
flyer I had an anterior placenta last time and I started to feel movements at 20 weeks ish. Took DH quite a few weeks longer to feel anything though. I think it also depends on how big/small you are to start off with, skinny ones feel movements sooner than bigger ladies. Don't worry though by 40 weeks you will definitely have had enough of being kicked in the ribs grin

Flyer747 Sat 13-Apr-13 19:54:25

Thanks for the advice shootingstars, pleased to hear that you still feel kicks and movement.

Wickedgirl I had either food poisoning or norovirus early in my pregnancy, just after I had my bfp...not sure which one as it came on the day after I landed back from Delhi, I'd had a curry on room service whilst there and also on the plane home, but norovirus was flying around at the same time too. I was ok just felt like I'd been dug up!! I hope you don't get anything fingers crossed

Smitten1981 Sat 13-Apr-13 20:08:39

I've been looking at the last thread all day thinking 'where is everyone?' - duh!

Here you are! grin

Baby sitting for my cousins 6 month old tonight its not going well :/ makes me realize how useless i am at the baby stage sad

Natalieand Sat 13-Apr-13 20:25:08

falcon just remember its different when it's your own its different

wicked I had a sickness bug in last pregnancy at 13 weeks and midwife said just to keep fluids up by drinking lucozade and if it lasts longer than 24-48 hours to contact her back incase of dehydration and that it wouldn't affect baby at all xxx

My Ds was an angel still is this is my worry. He slept all night from a few weeks old and only had a hand full of bad days when he was teething so i have never done the sleepless newborn stage iyswim.

racheld33 Sat 13-Apr-13 20:52:17

Marking my place on the new thread....

wicked I had a sickness bug at 7 weeks (plus roaring morning sickness) spent 5 days with my head in a bucket/bin/toilet but other than that unscathed. I agree with other posters to say, just keep up the fluids if it comes brew

racheld33 Sat 13-Apr-13 20:53:33

falconmistress you had an angel baby, I am jealous! I had a non sleeper for 13 months, so feel this time I'm due an angel!

Haylebop12 Sat 13-Apr-13 21:03:51

falcon my dd was a brilliant sleeper too. From
9 weeks with the odd rough patch due to teething. This child is already causing so many problems its very likely to continue confused isn't it?!

cazboldy Sat 13-Apr-13 21:04:01

falcon

this baby will probably be like that too! smile

sorry if this annoys anyone, but I haven't had a bad one yet - only time I have ever had a sleepless night was through sickness/illness.

Youngest slept from 10 - 6 at 11 days..... and the oldest was 10 weeks.....

co - sleeping definitely helps, and i think if you can get more than 4 hours in a stretch you feel almost human smile

Shirehobbit Sat 13-Apr-13 21:07:04

We're kind of assuming the worst as both DH and I were nightmare babies. If there is any justice in the world, according to our mothers, we should produce the reddest, angriest, noisyest, insomniac baby ever born wink

racheld33 Sat 13-Apr-13 21:11:28

haylebop your due a good baby surely after having HG!

Livened Sat 13-Apr-13 21:12:14

Re prams: we have a silver cross surf and it's been very good, but now my (tall) 15 month old looks almost too big for it and it's also going to be useless when this baby arrives. It was a fab travel system when he was younger though.

I wish in hindsight we had gone for a Phil and Teds Explorer, as it can be a single or a double and is ideal for dog walking and walking to the pub etc. I can't fault the silver cross, but I wish it could convert to a tandem like the iCandy peach (deemed too heavy to lift at the time). It can have a boogie board, but I don't think at 21 months my toddler will stay on it for more than two seconds!

I must have been really lucky with my 4 dc's. They all slept through from 2 wks old. I often wonder if its because I attempted to breast feed them all but simply never produced enough milk so by the time I admitted defeat and gave them a bottle around the 2 week mark they were just so bloody relieved not to be hungry that they slept.

Shirehobbit Sat 13-Apr-13 21:16:41

Thanks Livened, I've not heard of Phil and Teds, yet. I'll go Google...

racheld33 Sat 13-Apr-13 21:21:13

MoN I bf my 'difficult' baby till 12 months, so that might be why he started sleeping finally at 13 months! wink But i had friends who bf who were great sleepers so don't think it always is the case smile

I really wanted to breastfeed but my babies just kept losing weight instead of gaining. They always appeared to be feeding well but just never gained weight.
With my last baby I was attached to a breast pump in hospital for an hour and only managed to express 5ml.
I still want to attempt it this time but I won't beat myself up if it doesn't work out.

racheld33 Sat 13-Apr-13 21:47:12

MoN bf seems to be very hit and miss amongst my friends. It either goes well, with milk a plenty (I used to express a full bottle in 10 mins!) or constant struggle, with not much coming. The main thing is you do what is best, and works for you and your baby smile

Doesn't mean I'm still not jealous of all your good sleeping babies! envy

JellyCurls Sat 13-Apr-13 21:48:28

Bloody hell you lot can chatter, away from phone for three days and you are on another thread....

16 weeks tomorrow and Braxton Hicks have started already - oh the joys!

Wickedgirl Sat 13-Apr-13 22:00:50

Thank you for the reassurances........that has made me feel less teary.

Pregnancy is such a scary time isn't it?

Evening ladies, I've finally told family and friends that we are expecting! Told the DD's first and they were so sweet, so surprised and delighted! We let them phone the nannas and grandads (could here the slight confused, "really?" conversations!) Have since had some cracking comments from them, DD1 (8) said are you having a baby because you kiss a lot? Then she exclaimed you two have had sex! We ignored her blush DD2 keeps saying a baby sister is coming, tried to explain it may be a brother, but then she says she will have 2 babies then! Hmmmm maybe we will have to find out to prepare her (she's 4)

Pushchair wise we will probably go for the same sort as we had 8yrs ago, it's just the basic mothercare 3 wheeler that comes with car seat, it's fairly cheap, but good for tall dh and dog walking (bad points are its quite big and heavy) but it lasted both the girls till they wanted to walk, and I'll sling the baby a lot as well.

Natalieand Sat 13-Apr-13 22:16:13

Dd was kinda average sleeping wise for me I used to dream feed her at 11ish then she would sleep till 4ish then back to sleep till normal daylight hours lol and as she got to 5 ish months she became a nightmare so I did controlled crying and she's slept ever since. Always had the once in a blue moon night if she was poorly or slept to late in day etc but she certainly wasn't what I would call hard work. I'd be happy with another the same lol.

How r u feeling now hayley?

Am I the only one who doesn't have the urge to breast feed? It really does nt appeal to me at all (not wanting to cause a riot) xx

Haylebop12 Sat 13-Apr-13 22:32:14

natalie feeling better yes. I do think things are improving too,

I had no desire to bf my dd. and the midwives didn't bat an eyelid hmm definitely want to give it a go this time mind but also want to be able to express. I think I would give up a little quicker if I can't express tbh but I may be totally wrong and love having a baby attached to me all day/night grin

legallyblond Sat 13-Apr-13 22:54:29

flyer I had an anterior placenta with DD and didn't feel any movement until 26 weeks... I was so worried! I am a size 8/10, so I font think it's a size thing. In hindsight though, I didn't really know what the movements should feel like, so probably would have felt them earlier if I knew what they felt like....

Irishfairy Sat 13-Apr-13 23:45:34

Marking my place.
Hope everyone is enjoying the weekend. Weather supposed to be lovely here tomorrow but I'll believe it when I see it!

I'm also going for a home birth. I wish I had been more informed and gone for one with my first. Ended up with a lot of unnecessary interventions which is unfortunately a consequence of the system in hospitals. It wasn't what I wanted at all so hoping it is different this time around and I can let my body do what I know it can do! It's quite pro home birth in this area so hoping I have plenty of support from the midwives (the natural route is completely my personal birth preference and I don't in anyway judge anyone who wants a different birth, to each their own! I just find it sad when a woman's wishes during birth are not respected for the wrong reasons)

Shootingstarsandcomets Sun 14-Apr-13 04:16:05

I've been up with ds since 3am sad. He has never been a great sleeper but we are at my parents tonight as its his christening tomorrow, he never sleeps well here as we are all in one room so I bought him into bed with me at 11 and the little octopus woke me at 3 doing acrobatics over my head and gurgling to himself. We are now up downstairs so DH can sleep. What on earth am I going to do when there are two of them?! Please let this new one be an angel baby who sleeps from 2 weeks old. I am such a good sleeper so surely my children should inherit this?!

Shootingstarsandcomets Sun 14-Apr-13 04:19:48

Push chair wise we have the stokke xplory and its amazing I think I will keep it and sling the small one until ds is walking well as am loathe to swap it for a double one. Anyone with two small people think I need a double?
I loved breastfeeding ds but had to stop at 4 months as kept getting mastitis. I'll try again with this one too. I don't think it makes a difference to their sleep ds is now on bottles and still not great whereas some of his bf friends have slept through for months.

Wickedgirl Sun 14-Apr-13 06:42:05

My 3 all slept well from a young age and were very happy babies. I am hoping for another easy going baby

I am hoping to breast feed again as I breasted mine until they were at least 8 months old.

I am booked into a midwifery led unit but that may have to change depending on how the 20 week scan goes

Well she never slept for more than 60 mins at a time last night only sleeping 3 hours since 7pm in total I am never looking after her again ever and I hope and pray to the powers that be that baby bean is a reasonable sleeper at least! She is as a result going home now. Dont worry ladies i dont think it will happy to any of us her DM goes out every weekend baby goes with whomever I think she is a very insecure happy baby but its not something thats going to change any time soon sad

happen not happy

and unhappy not happy

grr no sleep causes many mistakes sorry ladies!

pinksky Sun 14-Apr-13 07:35:46

Quite a few of us planning home births then smile. do you think they're becoming more popular?

MoN I had lunch last week with a pregnant friend who had struggled to produce enough milk with her previous babies. She used a supplemental nursing system to top up, have you every looked into that? Looks very fiddly but she was really positive about it.

Shootingstars I like the stokke because of the baby being high up but I worry that they are easy to unbalance - is that just a perception because of the design? How do you find it over rough terrain?

pinksky Sun 14-Apr-13 07:39:23

Sounds like a really difficult night, Falcon, and so sad if the baby isn't happy... hope you can recuperate today.
A poor sleeper is probably one of my biggest fears. how on earth do people cope when they have to go back to work?

My 2 have always been good sleepers, I can't function on little or no sleep! Bf both, was very lucky it came easily and naturally to me, I ended up Co sleeping with them as well (although dh works nights, so made it easier) I was quite laid back and went with the flow, had good family and mw support, general consensus was happy mum = happy baby!

pinksky That sounds like it may be worth a try. I just googled and apparently they are useful for Downs babies because they can have reduced muscle tone and find it hard to suck. I'd never heard of them before.
I had asked my midwife about supplements I could take and she said they would only reccomend them as a last resort. Surely 4 babies failing to gain weight should be enough of a reason to bloody give me something to help me.

Sephy Sun 14-Apr-13 09:39:06

I've put DH in charge of choosing a buggy so he's got a thing that's his job, so he's a bit more involved. I'm slightly regretting it as he's also now trying to find cots, changing tables etc and has ideas very different to mine about what we'd like! When it's just aesthetic differences quite happy to let him decide as planned, but when it's about function I keep reminding myself that I'm the one who'll have to cope with things arranged in an awkward way.
Ah well, grateful that he's interested and is not begrudging spending several hundred pounds on stuff that had never previously occurred to him!
Hayle, how's the sickness going?

Jealous of those who have felt flutters too

roofio87 Sun 14-Apr-13 10:31:25

morning all. I want to bf, so will have to see how it goes. to those that have did you find expressing milk easy! did you have an electric or a hand pump? I like the idea of being able to express and share at least a little of the feeding duties,but I know its not always easy.
I've woken up feeling really hungover, headache, thirsty, so tired. not fair seeing as I haven't touched a drop in months!!smile

In laws gone now. I am so tired and woke up at 2 for a couple of hours and again at 5 so that didn't help. Had to hold my tongue when getting some pregnancy advice. Things have obviously changed over the last 30 years like tying some pretty ribbons onto the booties I have knitted to keep them from falling off and make them look nicer (I think that's a choke hazard so don't want to), and mil thought was a silly, unecessary idea to avoid laying on my back to sleep even though research now says it can cut off oxygen and increase chances of being stillborn. She also tried to be modern I think and said her 1980s baby book that I can borrow (yay) said hormones are released at 6 weeks that decide whether the baby will be gay or whether it will be a manly shaped woman or feminine woman. hmm I just say "oh ok" and not give an opinion. Even DH was rolling his eyes at that one.

Sorry, had to have a mini rant. DH gets upset when I get annoyed with his mum at him. It happened a lot over our wedding!

Looking forward to my last day of holiday before going back to work and the sun is shining as promised so think we will get out in the garden. Anyone got nice plans for the sunshine?

roxvox Sun 14-Apr-13 12:56:25

roofio I feel the same... After quite a relaxing day yesterday and a good 9-10 hours sleep, I feel absolutely rotten today! So much so that I burst into uncontrollable tears this morning when we were talking about what to do today (the in-laws are visiting this weekend) and as a result they've gone out with DH and I am back in bed!

We're off out to a Jamie's Italian tonight and I am examining the menu in advance to work out what I can and can't eat. Unfortunately it seems to be a cheese and cured meat minefield (both of which I would normally love). I think I have managed to narrow it down though I will kill anyone in my party who orders the cured meat platter because I want it so badly

On the subject of breast feeding; I definitely want to, although the idea of it does seem slightly strange to me at the minute. But it is definitely something I want to do!

orangeblossom your MIL's comments made me laugh! Although I can imagine it getting very frustrating to be at the receiving end of the "advice".

Smitten1981 Sun 14-Apr-13 13:47:26

Rox - I think you can eat cured meat NHS says that in some countries they are advised not to, but not in the UK.

Smitten1981 Sun 14-Apr-13 13:48:38

Cold cured meats include salami, parma ham, chorizo and pepperoni. Some countries advise pregnant women to avoid eating cold cured meats or smoked fish as there is a small risk of these foods harbouring listeria or the toxoplasma parasite that causes toxoplasmosis. Currently in the UK pregnant women aren't advised to avoid these products. However, you might choose to avoid cured meats and smoked fish while you are pregnant if you are concerned about these risks.

roxvox Sun 14-Apr-13 14:20:07

Thanks smitten. Kind of wish I had only ever looked at the NHS list of foods and hadn't Googled it (this is back in the earlier days just after our BFP) as then I wouldn't have it in my head that I can't eat it. Now, as badly as I want it, if I did get ill as a result of eating it and harmed my baby then I couldn't forgive myself because I've read the warnings.

notsoold Sun 14-Apr-13 14:51:18

My firstborn , lovely dd slept like a angel quite soon and I thought that having the second one would follow suit....
Ds did not follow his sister's footsteps...didn't sleep well.Had to sleep in his own bed! Any noise would wake him up etc....
I always wondered why....then when dd turned 13 she had his sleeping patterns and as soon as ds was around 12 he became like her.
He has go to bed at 9.30 ( being 13 it is not cool) otherwise nothing short of a bucket full of water will wake him. He sleeps if the alarm goes on, phone ringing , dog barking etc....

But I have this LO will sleep because I love my bed.
Planning to bf again....

Planning to breastfeed too.

HotSoupDumpling Sun 14-Apr-13 16:49:44

orange, I've had to do lots of in-law related eye rolling/ tongue-biting already. I feel your pain.

I would love to be able to eat jamon iberico. Nom nom nom. Might do some more research.

Wickedgirl Sun 14-Apr-13 18:26:41

roofio.........I found expressing really easy using a manual breast pump.

The first 6 weeks of breast feeding are really tough going but if you can get through those early weeks, it becomes so much easier

I have spent the day in bed recuperating after last nights sleeplessness. I may get flamed for this but i have decided to let baby bean have her first feed of colostrum then on the formula we go. This is what happened with oliver through accident more than design but i think i will be happy to be in control of situation after birth this time as i think it had a part to play in me getting pnd last time. I want to be a happy mum as i think this will be more beneficial to bean than an unhappy mum who gives her booby milk smile

Sorry now you all know my Ds is called oliver oh well its not like I am in the secret service or anything lol

roofio87 Sun 14-Apr-13 19:15:50

Haha yes falcon we all know exactly who you are now as there's only one person in the world with a son named Oliver!! wink
no one on here is going to flame anyone else (I hope anyway) over something like choice of feeding. I totally agree that its what makes mum.happy as then they can concentrate on being the best possible mum. I want to try bf but I'm not going to beat myself up about it if I find it too hard (or will try not to at least!!)

ananikifo Sun 14-Apr-13 19:24:05

Yes, no flaming here please. Oliver is a lovely name! Not that I have any interest in names lately.

I just bought a bunch of brightly coloured babygrows on eBay. This could get addictive very fast! At least I don't need maternity clothes yet, so it's a trade off? Right?

pinksky Sun 14-Apr-13 19:47:16

No flaming here. I've been really surprised to see how difficult feeding is and that it takes most people weeks to get into the flow--I had no idea until recently. This group has been unjudgemental so far and I'm sure it'll continue like that.

I've been watching lots of things on ebay but not bitten the bullet yet. I have already bought some nappies and wipes at various supermarket baby events. Thought if I buy a few things each month it'll make life easier.

Wickedgirl Sun 14-Apr-13 19:49:21

Falcon....the only person who gets to choose the right way of feeding their baby is mum (with support from dad). Never feel that you have to justify your parenting to anyone

As long as the baby is loved and fed, it really doesn't care if that milk is formula or breast milk

Wickedgirl Sun 14-Apr-13 19:53:45

I am already in maternity clothes and have already brought lots of things for the baby. I am so exited even though this baby was a bit if a surprise.

I just need to get a first stage car seat, a cot mattress and a swinging crib mattress, some bedding and newborn nappies and them I'm done!

JellyCurls Sun 14-Apr-13 19:54:40

No judgement here either we all have to do what's right. I expressed with DC1 for 6 weeks as she couldn't suck at all, think I had enough milk to feed the whole of the baby unit and could get a 6oz bottle in about 5 mins. Had to give up as baby was ill and needed prescription milk.

With DC2 I Breastfed for 2 weeks but switched to formula as Dc2 was a lazy feeder and wouldn't suck long enough to get the fatty milk so lost loads of weight

Will try Breastfeeding ageing this time but if it doesn't work out will happily bottle feed.

Anybody else getting Braxton Hicks?

Woah Braxton hicks already?! I didn't know they came that early!

I agree I am sure everyone on here respects the decisions others make about their children and their bodies.

I presumed breastfeeding would be a breeze too until my sister and best friend both had a really tough time of it in the last year or so. They both stuck at it and were pleased they did but it certainly wasn't easy. My sister trained to be a breastfeeding support worker and both got a lot of help at various support groups that I am hoping to have passed on to me. At least now I know it will probably be hard so am a bit more prepared.

My best friend (who is my most recent source of information about babies) has recently introduced formula as well for her daughter at 11 months but it seems a real faff to me, sterilising, measuring, heating, having to use it within two hours etc. I would also probably have to go for dairy free formula, which I don't know much about, if I went down that route as most of my family including me and my niece can't have cows milk.

Has anyone read "French children don't throw food"? I am at the moment. The culture in France seems to be to bottle feed for most women, and pretty much all women do by 3 months even if they start off bf which I thought was interesting. I wonder what % of people choose each way in this country?

Shirehobbit Sun 14-Apr-13 20:35:55

I know some of you have been chatting away for some months, now - but can I just say how glad I am I found my way here? blush
You're asking/talking about all the stuff that's been buzzing around in my head for ages!

I too like the concept of bf, but there is something about it, having never done it (obviously!) that just seems a bit odd, no matter how natural it is. And the difficulties/horror stories do make me nervous that I'll be useless at it.

We're just back from the inlaws too, so I am very empathetic about the advice overload. Also, I find being centre of attention/public property quite challenging and have to stop myself being defensive/retreating.
I suppose I'd better get used to it as it's being announced at work this week, prior to my maternity cover being advertised.
It's making everything rather real grin

Very pleased to have your company shirehobbit. smile

Shirehobbit Sun 14-Apr-13 20:38:27

OrangeBlossom I've not read that book, but I did read somewhere (NCT book, maybe) that said some countries didn't have babies that cried as much as there was more of a culture of carrying babies everywhere in slings?!

Shirehobbit Sun 14-Apr-13 20:44:58

X-post smile

Nice to have you here shirehobbit

This is why I love this thread it's a lovely non judgemental corner of MN smile

I have been tempted by loads of stuff but DH is starting work tomorrow I'm sure I'll spend a fair amount on some second hand stuff and stocking up on wipes and milk stuff like that smile

Natalieand Sun 14-Apr-13 21:09:54

Baby stuff wise I've brought some tommee tippee bottles (was a bargain) paid deposit on buggy and today I brought a Hilda size wardrobe off a local Facebook selling site for £25 so that's currently in dd's room and she is enjoying hiding her teddies in it lol. Most things will be sorted from loft (from dd) or brought when we no the sex.

How r u feeling MoN? Xxx

And u also haylebop? Xxxx

Natalieand Sun 14-Apr-13 21:10:55

HILDA SIZE WARDROBE.... Don't u just love auto correct lol I meant children's size wardrobe xx

roofio87 Sun 14-Apr-13 21:25:55

Haha Natalie I thought a Hilda size wardrobe was just another one of these fancy baby things I'd never heard of!!

char1eston Sun 14-Apr-13 21:28:53

Good evening ladies. Haven't yet said welcome to the newbies who have joined us recently.
We were very lucky to be given a bugaboo, which we use for dd. she'll be 2y4m with baby arrives and I have been debating about getting a buggy board and using a combo of single buggy and sling or whether to go for a double buggy. Dd loves walking but I sometimes walk long distances and am not sure what to do for the best.
As for bf - I did it for 7 months with dd. expressed a bit in the early days but couldn't get much milk.
If you find that you have an oversupply of breast milk, there are some hospitals where you can donate your expressed milk to for the neonatal unit. I think it's a lovely idea but didn't have an over supply.
Btw - the best breast pads I found were lansinoh - they're individually wrapped, thin and really absorbent.

char1eston Sun 14-Apr-13 21:44:40

I was also meant to add that feeding is a very personal thing and it's important not to get too wound up about things if it doesn't go right straight away. If you're having a hard time bf-ing, there's lots of help out there. It's worth checking that your baby isn't tongue tied as that can affect the latch.
If you prefer to bottle feed then don't get bullied into persisting/trying to bf if that's not what you want to do.
We should all be looking out for no 1.
Those with sleeping babies - I'm jealous. Dd is nearly 2 and doesn't reliably sleep though. I'm hoping this means that that no 2 baby will be a dream! grin

ananikifo Sun 14-Apr-13 22:05:56

Whilst I would absolutely agree mums should stick to their guns if they've decided on ff, I also think that if you're determined to bf, you should seek help before thinking it's impossible. Most bf mums I know seem to have had problems in the beginning and needed help. One of my plans to help me start bf is to find out about all the support available in my area before I have the baby. I want to hear all the horror stories and how people overcame them. One of my colleagues has quite a supply of bf horror stories that make me go blush and still says it was worth doing in the end.

I used to be really smug thinking my mom bf me until 12 months but I now know she supplemented with fresh, diluted cow's milk from her parents' farm (ie unpasteurised) and she introduced purée foods after about two or three months because the babies get too hungry to be satisfied by milk!

ananikifo Sun 14-Apr-13 22:15:54

Just want to add I hope I don't come across as judgemental of anyone else.

I think what i was trying to say is I'm planning to bf and I'm worried that some people, including my mother, will be encouraging me to do the "easier thing" and I want to prepare myself to stick to bf as long as possible.

NotYoMomma Sun 14-Apr-13 22:30:52

Hello!

Can I join? Just got my dates confirmed at 28th Oct! I waited until the scan because we were borderline November by our dates!

Very excited and I have a DD already who is nearly 14 months.

I'm going to jump right into the debate and say we are ff because bf and my anxiety issues didn't really gel last time, and DD is the healthiest child I know. I felt guilty for a while and then I realised that we were both happy and thriving.

Stick to your guns I say, whatever they may be and never apologise to anyone smile

Pushchair wise e have an icandy strawberry and will be keeping it even though it doesn't convert. It is SO AMAZING I love the one handed fold and rain cover in the seat storage. We will probably be using slings with new baby to accommodate this. Just need to research now!

I'm waiting to ring out the sex before buying anything as we kept everything from DD as we knew we wanted two close together.

This is our last baby for financial (read: holiday!) Reasons :P

NotYoMomma Sun 14-Apr-13 22:32:29

whispers plus I've for 34J boobs, I couldn't take it lol

ananikifo Sun 14-Apr-13 22:33:20

Welcome, notyomomma!

NotYoMomma Sun 14-Apr-13 22:35:06

Falcon we can be the ff crew x

Yey notyomomma and welcome smile I think there are a few of us not Bf on here. I think people should feed how they want to and are comfortable as long as you and baby are healthy and happy thats all that should matter!

Livened Sun 14-Apr-13 23:22:06

I breastfed my DS for 9 weeks. I have big boobs (32HH) and it was a difficult two handed job, I could never do it in public unfortunately and I was always so jealous of my friends who could. The final straw came when my DH told me he was worried as DS was still waking every 90 minutes and we were both totally miserable and exhausted! I had always expressed using a medela electric pump which was great, and got my little one used to bottles early on so DH could help feed too. We combination fed for a while, but at about 12 weeks we were fully on formula (aptamil). Maybe a coincidence but my DS went from waking every 90 minutes, to sleeping 10, then 12 hours at night. He was clearly starving and I just wasn't giving him what he needed. I still feel guilty about that one...

He is a perfectly healthy (touch wood) little boy, who has just as few ailments as his purely breastfed NCT buddies, so I know I did the right thing in the end. Also ff enabled me to see exactly how much little one was consuming, and we got into a great routine from about 12 weeks (I swear by the Baby Whisperer - if any new mums are thinking of schedules/routines advice check out her forum online).

With this baby I fully intend to breastfeed again for the initial weeks, but if baby is as miserable and hungry as DS and I were last time, I won't hesitate to switch to ff at any stage if that's right for baby and mum ;-)

NotYoMomma Sun 14-Apr-13 23:48:29

I'm so relieved that I'm not the only one!

I also forgot to say what type of birth I'm planning.
I had dd in the birthing pool at the mlu last time
I was planning the same again! BUT the midwife said I was too fat (bmi 35.1!)

So I've cut out the chocolate and cola (still eating well!) knd I've lost 8lb in 3 weeks! So now I can have my pool birth again if I just keep it off!

It'll be tough when the bump arrives! I swear it's here already, much quicker than last time :/ eek!

Irishfairy Mon 15-Apr-13 00:46:34

Orangeblossom you asked about breastfeeding rates in the UK:

According to the most recent infant feeding survey (2010) the rate of babies being bf at birth is 81%, at three months 17% are exclusively bf, 12% at four months and by six months 1% are exclusively bf. These figures showed an small but marked increase on the previous study from 2005. Not sure what the stats on mixed feeding are but it is interesting.

Thanks for looking that up Irish, I am interested to see what other people do. My only frame of reference was my family and they all breastfeed for a year or more so I presumed it was really widespread. I hope to feed for maybe 6 months to a year.

Thanks to whoever mentioned checking tongue tie, my goddaughter had one and that really affected her feeding at the beginning and it was a really simple little cut to fix it that healed up really quickly and made a huge difference to feeding and her mum's pain feeding!

Morning notyomama and welcome!

Back to work this morning and had a third really bad nights sleep in a row with crazy dreams when I did doze off sad. hopefully the children will be really tired after two weeks of late nights and chocolate gobbling too and we can all just have a chilled out morning...

pinksky Mon 15-Apr-13 07:02:17

Thanks Irish, that's really interesting to see.

Yes re tongue tie, two of my friends recently have had problems with this. I thought babies were all meant to be checked before leaving hospital, so if you don't think yours has then double check. Such an avoidable issue.

Sorry about the sleep, Orange. I'm having crazy dreams still also. Expecting a good night's sleep tonight though as I have my first swimming lesson this evening and if I remember from my childhood, they totally knacker you out!

Shirehobbit Mon 15-Apr-13 07:19:22

Hello notyomamma

I'm a bit on and off with sleep too, at the moment. And last night woke with a nosebleed, which I've never had before!

Good luck with the swimming lesson pinksky. I learnt to swim last year and it was indeed knackering smile

Shootingstarsandcomets Mon 15-Apr-13 07:28:04

Hello to all the newbies on here. Ds was baptised yesterday and was such a good boy until it came to his special bit and he screamed and shouted through all the prayers! He was good when the vicar put the water on him though so that was something and then he grabbed her rather large nose grin. At least he has spirit!! I managed to squeeze myself into my dress with the help of some control pants and we had a fab day.
Can't remember who said but I want to do the sling thing too rather than double buggy as I love my stokke too much to give it up and the only double I like is the bugaboo donkey but I don't like it nearly as much as the stokke. We shall see.
Hope everyone feeling ok and all is well with the growing beans.

HotSoupDumpling Mon 15-Apr-13 08:07:58

No strong feelings here re feeding. What"s good for mum is good for baby. I'm going to give BF a serious go but if family history is anything to go by I will have to top up at the very least as our 'factories' are not very large or productive.

Welcome all new people! I like to think we are inclusive and non-judgmental here!

NotYoMomma Mon 15-Apr-13 08:13:25

I like it here already :D

It was me about the sling, but there are so many out there my brain is fried! I have a friend who recommended a standard woven one for newborn phase.

I'm going to have to visit a sling library as I have NO idea what I will like. I want it to be suitable for dh, who is a giant hulk of a man

I'm not very well this morning, either stress induced or that god awful bug that's been doing the rounds. It's the worst timing ever!

pinkbuttons Mon 15-Apr-13 08:27:31

Hello all, and welcome to everyone who's new! This really is a busy thread but agree that it is lovely to be able to come and express worries without being judged
Back into reality here after our holiday away, it was lovely but today I am handing in my final ever essay into uni. grin very exciting.

Have found it really interesting reading all of your posts re: feeding. I bf DS until he was 9 months but found it so difficult to start with. Like others I expected it to just be an easy natural thing, my mum bf all 5 of us and it was what was "normal" in our family. I felt like such a failure that I was struggling so much and felt guilty for having to hand express to feed DS for the first few days. We're very lucky here and there is a lot of support which I took full advantage of. Just think its awful that people are made to feel guilty no matter how they choose to feed baby, or how difficult they find it. Its the last thing you need when you've just given birth and have crazy hormones rushing round your body.

shootingstars I love your comment about your DS having spirit smile Think will be using that to describe my very cheeky DS.

15+2 here and definitely have a bump now and after being away and being fed up am back to pre pregnancy weight. Have a research scan on Weds and really hoping to find out the sex of the baby. Fingers crossed bean is cooperative...

Morning all - hope everyone is getting to enjoy a bit of sunshine this morning!

16 weeks today - got on the scales and have put on about 5 pounds in the last two weeks shock. Was being very good and keeping an eye on it as put on 10lbs by 10 weeks last time blush, but the Haribo have taken over. Only healthy snacks for me this week!

Welcome notyomamma. I have heard sling libraries mentioned a few times - what the hell are they and how do I find one?

I will be BF hopefully. With DS had decided that I would give BF a go, but not stress about it and FF if it wasn't working out. Then stupid staff on post natal ward kept trying to get me to 'top him up' and told me he would be jaundiced if I didn't (it was Xmas eve, they wanted a quiet night, and they were vile) which just made me bloody minded to BF at all costs. It was a real struggle for the first 6-8 weeks. I think you hear about what can go wrong with BF and where to go for assistance - what you don't hear if even if everything is fine - enough milk, good latch, good weight gain, no mastitis - then it can still be a bloody slog, feeding for hours on end, baby waking frequently etc. I thought I was doing something wrong, but actually just had unrealistic expectations of what it would be like.

carliepow Mon 15-Apr-13 09:29:56

Hello everyone,

Can I join please?
I'm new to mumsnet, and new to pregnancy! I'm due 1st October and feeling anxious. This is an ivf baby so have only just announced our news due to being (overly!) cautious.

Now starting to let ourselves get excited! Been looking into pushchairs......so much choice! Thinking of the Bugaboo Chameleon?? Anyone have it?

Im open minded to breastfeeding or not, some of my friends have and some haven't. My plan is to take it as it comes and see what happens!

Been reading previous posts, lots of helpful info already so thank you all!

Sparkeleigh Mon 15-Apr-13 09:39:31

Hi everyone, marking my place :-) congratulations charliepow and welcome onboard!

Just wanted to day I gave in to my rapidly disappearing waistline and bought maternity jeans from h&m. I don't have a bump yet really, more of a general bulge grin but wow are they comfy! So, if you haven't already tried some, go do it, they're pretty flattering too which is a plus!

Irishfairy Mon 15-Apr-13 10:10:34

Welcome charliepow and congratulations!
I've got the chameleon and love it so much, so does my dd. would highly recommend it. I'm going to buy a new set of material this time around and it'll be like having a whole new buggy smile

Those mentioning about getting the tongue tie checked before leaving hospital, I couldn't agree more. My dd had tongue tie but it wasn't picked up until she was 2 weeks which is a long time when struggling to bf and in agony!
Then we had to prove that it was affecting feeding before the NHS would do the procedure to cut it. (It's not as horrific as it sounds as it really is just a little bit of tissue). It was done when she was 5 weeks and we did go on to bf for a year.
I do bf support through my work and I think if bf is the way you choose to feed then having as much non judgemental support as possible in the beginning is really important. I couldn't have done it without the local bf groups and clinics and even my friends with slightly older babies who had gone through it themselves.
It was hard work esp at the beginning but a few weeks in when everything settled down it was so lovely and very easy when travelling and out and about. This time I'm going to look into a sling that baby can feed in as with a 3 year old there won't be as much sitting around on the couch!

pinkbuttons that's exciting about your scan on Wed! Hope you get to find out if it's a boy or girl!

Warlin Mon 15-Apr-13 10:10:40

Morning all

Another new thread, wow! Im in work so got some catching up to do so apologies if I've missed some news. Oh now hayle, thats rubbish. Hope you feel better soon.

umlauf I have a bugaboo camelion. I do really like it, although I find prams that are in 2 pieces a bit of a faff so tend to keep it mainly for walks (I have a dog so we go on a lot of these) and use my silver cross buggy for shopping trips. I'm planning to get the baby jogger double but will prob keep my bugaboo for a bit as ds likes it to sleep in and I will also use a sling when the new baby is young. Why is everything so expensive?!

moN lots of baby/pregnancy brain here! I left my bag in a restuarant the other week and luckily it was still there when I went back. Then on Sat I did my tesco shopping and left my bag hanging from the back of the trolley! Didn't notice until I had got home and put all the shopping away. Thankfully it had been handed in! Stress! Then I went to get some tights for my mum yesterday in House of Fraser and totally forgot, even though I was in the shop. Argghhh! I'm not fit to be let out these days!

Yay to the first boy! I can't wait to find out the sex. As we already have a boy, I would love a girl but because they will be so close together in age, I think another boy would be better for ds (and easier as I have so much boy stuff). Either way, I just want to know!

I have a wedding to go to on Sat. I find it really hard to get nice maternity dresses as so many are below the knee which look really frumpy on me. I have a dress from Top shop that I'm going to have to wear but it's not very dressy. WIll just have to glam it up with accessories and a fascinator. Will be a long day as dh is best man and I know nobody other than the bride and groom. And obviously with no drink it wont be much fun. Thinking I might sneak off to the hotel room for a sleep at some stage!!!!

Sending everyone sickness free vibes and good luck to today's scanees

I'm fine thanks Natalie. I've had another talk with Dp and now he's saying he thinks he could cope with a Downs baby but not a daughter with Turner's as he would find it hard knowing that his daughter couldn't have children of his own.
I am struggling to understand this one. In my mind Turners would be easier than Downs as Turner's children are intellectually the same as everyone else so don't have the same learning difficulties that would require a lot of attention.
I've tried explaining that if we had a healthy girl she still may not be able to have children or indeed want them.
There are so many options for Infertile women these days too. Maybe it's just that male thing of wanting someone to carry on the family line. I'll need to work on him some more.

I'm glad I'm not alone with the baby brain. I think I've got a double dose simply because I've got so much on my mind. Feeling a bit better now that Dp is coming round to the idea of carrying on with the pregnancy even if we do get bad news after the amnio.

JellyCurls Mon 15-Apr-13 10:43:54

MoN I am glad DP is now talking about things, hopefully he will see the bigger picture soon.

My bump has appeared overnight, so sitting at work roasting hot but wearing a strategically placed scarf. Too tired and nauseous to be dealing with questions today.

Welcome to all the newbies x

roxvox Mon 15-Apr-13 10:46:21

Morning all. Still shattered, and have been getting some really bad stomach cramps (which I am almost positive are constipation related) and a bit more spotting today. I have text the midwife so hopefully she'll be able to ease my mind a bit. Seeing her on Wednesday afternoon so am really hopeful she'll use the doppler and I will get to hear that everything is ok in there! If she cannot find the heartbeat/has a reason not to use the doppler, then I will be paying for a private scan asap as I hate this feeling of not knowing.

MoN my baby brain seems to be focused on forgetting words. I can be in the middle of a conversation and my mind goes blank on what the word I am trying to think of is... I am please that you and DP have managed to have a chat and he is coming around to the idea of carrying on with the pregnancy. When is your amnio again?

Sparkeleigh I succomed at the weekend and started wearing my jeans undone with a bump band over the top... Ah so much relief!

LostMySocks Mon 15-Apr-13 10:49:22

My morning (evening) sickness and tiredness seem to have vanished. Don't know whether this is the so called bloom (spent the weekend decorating and tidying in preparation for putting the house on the market) or whether to be worried that I don't feel pregnant any more.
Sorry to those of you still feeling really bad. I'm just a little anxious....

roofio87 Mon 15-Apr-13 10:58:32

morning all!! welcome carliepow so pleased that your ivf has worked out for you.you must be aol happy and so terrified!!
re:bf I have 32dd s before pregnancy so hoping they don't go too big by the end!! my sister had teeny tiny boobs (I'm a nice sis aren't are!?) but exclusively bf both of hers for 6 months which I find interesting.
I was asked at booking in app if I was planning to bf and agreed for a bf support worker to contact me before the birth to meet up. the support for it around here sounds great. there's also a bf support group at the children's centre by my house!

Amnio on the 30th roxvox I can't say I'm looking forward to it.

roofio my boobs are tiny and I'm a 32E. I'd been weatin a 38B for years til I had a proper fitting at Bravissimo.

mon I am the same! I was wearing a 38d and it turned out i was a 38f lol I am a g atm!!

favellio Mon 15-Apr-13 12:07:24

Hi everyone,
sorry for not posting for a while, I've been crazy busy.

Welcome to the newbies smile and sorry for those who are still feeling crappy sad

Got my date for 20 weeks, 24th May, can't wait! We've decided not to find out the sex but can't wait to hear from all of you who find out grin Will be interesting to see what a mix of sexes we've got and whether any of the old wives tales are right!!
I've also, finally got round to uploading my 1st scan photo, so you should be able to see my lazy baby, laying face down, bum in the air and wiggling his or her hands.
I'm hoping to breastfeed but will supplement with formula, especially at night, as my family seem to produce very hungry babies!!
I've got a proper little bump now (I'm 14w5d) and managed to get a couple of lovely maternity bit in H&M and Asda yesterday for my holiday.

I'm looking into doing an NCT antenatal course. Its £179 and wondering if anyone can recommend them because I really want to do it but keep thinking about how many nappies £179 will buy lol

Wickedgirl Mon 15-Apr-13 12:18:38

MON......I hope everything goes well for you at your amnio. I had one at 18 weeks with my 2nd pregnancy and my ds is now a very healthy 12 year old. Waiting for the first 48 hours to pass was awful......I was sure that every twinge was me losing the baby. Once I got past the "dangerous" first 48 hours, I was able to relax a bit more. I can still remember the phone call very clearly when I got the all clear......I cried.

Wickedgirl Mon 15-Apr-13 12:23:14

Boob size really doesn't seem to be a factor in breast feeding........I am only a 34b and successfully breast fed my 3 babies and there was loads of milk. Expressing was quick and easy because of the amount of milk I had.

My 16 week check with the midwife is on may 8th when I'll be 18 weeks exactly. My 20 week scan will be on may 23rd when I'll be 20+1.

When my sister had her first and was having trouble breastfeeding a midwife actually laughed and said to her "No wonder you can't feed your baby with those tiny little things". I think in her shoes I may have slapped her and blamed my hormones.

legallyblond Mon 15-Apr-13 13:24:31

Agreed, boob size is nothing to do with breastfeeding!! I and my mum have ickle boobs (32A) - i bf DD until she was 2 and my mum bf 4 children until 2 (obviously, exclusively for only 6 months). It does need to be properly taught though (which it's not) and it is all about proper "technique" (latching, recognising that in early weeks you need to be feeding VERY often, ie waking baby up, to establish milk supply etc). It is actually very very rare for a woman to be biologically incapable of exclusively breastfeeding (otherwise the human race would have died out long ago), but because NHS do such a cack handed job at helping people, lots don't manage who would with the right support. The NHS are doubly crap as they tend to REALLY pile the pressure and guilt on (after I had DD, one woman on the post natal ward was heading home and choosing not to breastfeed, and I overheard two midwives having a sit down chat with her saying (I quote) "that's fine but you need to understand that you are not choosing the best thing for your baby - you are deliberately choosing a more harmful path.."!!!!). Which is why people end up feeling so guilty about not managing. I love NHS for emergency maternal care, but this is a huge failure!!! And women end up feeling shit over it!

Sorry, rant over!!!

legallyblond Mon 15-Apr-13 13:29:44

I still can't get over how the midwives were with the poor woman I overheard... She had just given birth!!

legallyblond Mon 15-Apr-13 13:31:49

Oh, and 16 week check with the midwife this afternoon,
.... Nervous as ever! I'm actually 16.3 now.... And have a huge bump! To be expected with twins I hope!

Good luck with your appointment Legally - hope you get to hear two little heartbeats (you'll have to let us know how they do that with twins!).

That is a shocking thing to say to new mum - how on earth can they consider that is going to help? The NHS breastfeeding thing is very odd though - as I said the midwives on my postnatal ward were practically forcing the new mums to give babies formula. I'm glad I BF DS, and will try with next one as well - but if I'm honest, I'm not sure I believe all of the hype about health benefits of BF - I can't think of any differences in the health of children I know that could be down to whether they were BF or FF.

roxvox Mon 15-Apr-13 14:22:54

Thanks MoN. I will be thinking of you. I don't blame you for not looking forward to it, but I hope you get some good results out of it to make it all worthwhile.

Good luck this afternoon legally! Let us know how you get on.

Who else has had their 16w MW appointments so far? Were they forthcoming with the doppler?

Scraggyspanner Mon 15-Apr-13 14:25:42

Thank you to everyone for the welcome.

I've seen the discussions about prams, it's a whole new world!! Does anyone know at what stage we need to think seriously about a pram and get one ordered?

Also, I'm going to a wedding when I will be 20 weeks, and have been reading about people's maternity wear experiences. Am I likely to have a decent bump at this stage? rather than the podge I have at the mo at 13+1 I'm tempted to start looking but it's tricky when you don't know how much you will change over the coming weeks.

I hope everyone is enjoying the sunshine

cazboldy Mon 15-Apr-13 14:26:36

I Bf all of mine

ds1 only to 10 weeks, then i went back to school, couldn't keep up with expressing the amount he needed when i was gone, tried mixed feeding, but it didn't agree with him, and so had to go on to formula.

dd1 - 13 months

ds2 17 months

ds 3 13 months (i was 7 months pg with dd2 at the time, and he couldn't get comfy any more)

and dd2 13 months - she bit me one morning, and i yelped, and she flat refused to try ever again!

will definitely bf this one - Im too lazy to FF grin

you have to buy the formula, buy the bottles, make the bottles, sterilise the bottles, wash the bottles, warm the bottles.......

all that instead of getting the boob out - no contest really! grin

however - i feel it is an extremely personal choice, and definitely NOT something one should ever be made to feel guilty for doing/not doing.

favellio Mon 15-Apr-13 15:00:24

I completely agree! No one should be made to feel bad for not breast feeding. A friend of mine basically got branded a failure by her health visitor because she had a horrendous time BF her DD and had to give up after a week, fearing her DD would end up malnourished. To this day she believes that was a major contribution to her PND :-(

cherrycherry41 Mon 15-Apr-13 15:06:52

Scraggy i went to a wedding at 19 weeks and had a small bump- enough to notice and for people to want to feel but i only wore a floaty dress from New Look (not maternity), bought a medium and it fit lovely smile was a size 10 pre pregnancy so would normally buy small.

It really was a big factor in my PND too favellio I got made to feel useless as my boobs just would not produce I have a very hard time after ds was born i was physically and mentally unwell for a year. I want more control this time and i am another not a great believer of bf benefits vs ff poison route as i know many many bf babies that are much more sickly than ds plus Dh loved being involved in feeding too!

Natalieand Mon 15-Apr-13 15:07:56

favellio fellow scan buddy I also have my 20 week scan on may 24th ill be 19+4 and dh and I will be finding out the sex. X

Warlin Mon 15-Apr-13 16:11:51

I bf DS for a few weeks and hated every minute of it.The midwives were really pushy the minute he was born and insisted I tried (I was too sore and tired to argue). Anyway he wouldn't latch and I spent days/ weeks worrying he wasnt getting enough. I just didn't enjoy it and was relieved to make the decision to ff. My life got much less stressful and dh was able to help which was fab.

Agree with all the hassle re bottles and sterilising etc but it's a personal choice. I'm a bit of a prude and could never bf in public so it was always going to be restrictive for me.

I would love to be a natural bfeeder and just get on with it and enjoy it but I'm not. I think this time I'll give the colostrum at the start and then ff. DS is healthy and happy and ff babies def sleep through the night earlier!

I have my 16 week mw apt tmw and don't know what to expect..hoping to hear a hb and will be disappointed if not sad

Warlin Mon 15-Apr-13 16:14:09

cazboldy wow! Firstly, hats off to the number of children you have! You and MoN are gluttens for punishment smile Will this be your 5th?? And also to bfing all of them...! Admiration from me!

cazboldy Mon 15-Apr-13 16:24:31

lol warlin this will be number 6 smile

admiration? - not sure i deesrve that lol most just think im nuts! grin

Warlin Mon 15-Apr-13 16:27:18

6...wow! I'm worried about how I will cope with 2! You mustnt have had a decent night's sleep in years shock

Cazboldy They do say there's a fine line between bravery and stupidity.

warlin I just asked when i went to my 16 week appointment to check hb for me she said she would do it only if i did not panic if she could not find it. It took about 3-4 mins of poking about and then we got it xxx

Just had a wee nosey at your profile cazboldy your children are gorgeous. How the hell do you find time to do an ou degree though?

Slippysnow Mon 15-Apr-13 16:33:05

I know your all probably thinking scans are old news/been there done that..... But I had mine today! One amazingly wriggly baby who did not want to stay still the scanner called them a rascal (hehe). It looked like it was mountaineering and then launching them self down a water slide. Made me giggle. We got put ahead to the 25th of oct, I'm hoping for a haloween baby - excellent parties.

Tests are low risk too. My 20week scan is on June 13th (I think). Re breast feeding, I'm gonna really try and seek advice if things aren't working out but I am not going to beat myself up if I start struggling to cope its not good for anyone. As for buggys we. Are going to get the baby city jogger gt. as it will hopefully fit in our tiny aygo boot, has an amazing one handed fold and should be good for dog walking. Hello to anyone new. I'm so over the moon, 2 years of trying then I finally see my lil baby on screen swimming about!!!!!!!

Congrats slippysnow grin

Aww so pleased for you Slippy You should put a pic up. I never tire of cute scan pics.

cazboldy Mon 15-Apr-13 16:52:48

MoN barely have time.... but getting there, nearly half way now, and got latest assignment back today - 70% so not too bad.... only work one day a week which helps. thanks for the lovely comments re photos, although they are terribly out of date.... my eldest is 16 now, and my bath baby was 6 last weekend grin

oh and i'm 31!

warlin yeah i have - had good babies ( and as above they are all older now anyway)

it's going to be like starting all over again!

cazboldy Mon 15-Apr-13 16:53:28

Oh and Congrats slippy smile

Smitten1981 Mon 15-Apr-13 17:09:15

I've just had a call from the midwife about my NT test and it's not good news.

They said the baby has a 1:15 chance of having Down's. It was my bloodwork that was high risk as one hormone was very high and the other one they look for was low, also the measurement was on the high end of normal.
I think we're going to book the Harmony test but I'm waiting for a call back about how accurate it is as we want a yes or no, not another ratio.

I don't really know what to do now, it's all so uncertain.

roxvox Mon 15-Apr-13 17:10:22

Congrats slippysnow... Pictures please!

And I think I may have neglected to say in my last few posts; welcome to all of the newcomers! Always glad to have some more chatty peeps on this bus smile

My boss is coming in next week to 'talk about dates'... So I am guessing she wants an idea of when I will be looking to go on maternity leave. Anyone else given this much thought yet?

roxvox Mon 15-Apr-13 17:11:39

Sorry, cross post.

Sorry to hear that Smitten. Sounds as though the harmony test might be a good idea. Will they take further blood tests now to reassess or anything?

Sorry to hear that smittenxx

Smitten1981 Mon 15-Apr-13 17:18:23

I'm not sure really. I don't know if the only way to find out 100% is by having the CVS. Waiting for a call back to discuss it.

Shirehobbit Mon 15-Apr-13 17:29:07

Stressful times, Smitten sad

Flyer747 Mon 15-Apr-13 17:51:42

Oh sorry to hear your news smitten i hope the harmony test will give you a definitive answer and fingers crossed for you x

Sorry to hear that Smitten fingers crossed you can get some answers asap xx

roofio87 Mon 15-Apr-13 18:27:55

sorry your results aren't what you were hoping for smitten. I hope you get the tests/care you need and some answers soon x

favellio Mon 15-Apr-13 18:31:20

Thinking of you smitten thanks

HotSoupDumpling Mon 15-Apr-13 18:36:36

Good luck smitten. I've heard the harmony test is very good but results take some time to come back (there are a few helpful threads on the antenatal testing board). Hoping you get some reassurance and good advice soon. flowers

Crookie1 Mon 15-Apr-13 18:44:43

Sorry to hear that Smitten.
I finally have my scan tomorrow...I'm half delighted half anxious...so glad I got there though...don't think I'll sleep much tonight...

Just picked up my mum to be bounty pack wow they have got better in 4 years I got a baby towel a full size simple moisturiser, sample pot of sudocrem which they has alway done along with the washing powder from fairy etc but i was surprised! smile

Shootingstarsandcomets Mon 15-Apr-13 18:59:49

Thinking of you smitten

Smitten sorry to hear your worrying results. Still that is more than a 93% chance that everything is fine.

Welcome Carlie and anyone I missed.

I cannot believe the comments you heard from midwives legally and MoN. That is shocking and so unprofessional! It seems bizarre that pre-birth all the advice from government and midwives is to breast feed, then afterwards there seems to be a a switch to pressuring you to bottle feed and a lack of support.

I just have to remember when the time comes that all the babies in my family tend to lose quite a bit of weight after birth, put it back on quite slowly and are below the 25th percentiles for size generally and have been little for 3 generations. I am prepared that I will be told my baby isn't gaining enough weight and to ff but I hope I will be strong enough to stick to my guns and do what I feel is right for me and my child and hope I don't end up feeling rubbish abut it. It makes. Me so cross that women are not supported properly at such a vulnerable time.

Re pushchairs, my friend has been trying to convince me of the virtues of the bugaboo bee which is meant to be the easiest to collapse one handed and fits in the back of a mini. I think they are very expensive though.

Slippysnow Mon 15-Apr-13 19:10:22

When/where do you get it? I'll have to try and upload a pic. Hope the harmony scan helps you come to the decision thats right for you and your partner

I told my boss my news today. She said it was a pain for cover, that I probably wouldn't be able to come back part time as there are too many people doing that and it is unmanageable hmm and also that I shouldn't tell anyone else at school until 16 weeks in case something goes wrong confused . But she did congratulate me and recommended having two close together like she did which surprised me! She also said it wouldn't affect my going for promotion and a pay rise for September so that is good. I am glad to get it out of the way, I was really nervous.

I spent ages last night choosing an outfit to disguise my bump as i thought people would notice the change after two weeks off and it must have worked as one person said I am not allowed to join the staff weigh in today as I am too little. Yes! Although I did get quite a few long looks at my tummy from some others that know me better. Within the first 5 minutes of the day a girl in my class said I looked beautiful today (aww just what I needed) two others said I look different and another one said its because I have different clothes now! 5 and 6 years olds are very perceptive. Or perhaps just don't know yet to keep their observations in their head.

cuillereasoupe Mon 15-Apr-13 19:19:41

Thinking of you Smitten. That still means 14 out of 15 chances you'll be fine though.

On the BF vs FF debate, it's funny how culturally determined it is. The BF rate in France is much lower and there's none of the pressure on mums to BF that there is in the UK. I've only ever seen someone BFing in public once.

orange we were the same with the bee we are going with the maxi cosi streety its £289 at argos and it comes with a maxi cosi infant car seat for that price also folds down one handed! I saw it and had a play and was convinced the footmuff that comes with is really good quality too smile

sorry its a streety + they have made a few adjustments for the better since the first one smile

legallyblond Mon 15-Apr-13 19:29:22

Sorry about the results Smitten. It is still likely that all is fine...

My 16w midwife appointment was eventful. She did the Doppler and couldn't be sure that she was hearing two heartbeats, so sent me then and there for an emergency scan... Half an hour later and two 16.3 week babies alive and well on screen! Phew! Worrying half hour though...

Wickedgirl Mon 15-Apr-13 19:31:37

Smitten...... You had a 2.9 measurement like me didn't you? I had harmony test (at 11+2) and mine came back clear. It takes 2 full weeks to get the results back. I hope it's good news for you x

Thats great news legally not nice to worry like that for any amount of time though xx

Phew good news legally. So glad they scanned you straight away rather than sending you home with that worry for a later scan. Still I imagine that half an hour felt like much longer. Hooray for two little twins!

Thanks for that falcon. I definitely think you need to have a play with buggies and seeing how they feel in real life.

NotYoMomma Mon 15-Apr-13 19:42:02

Just been signed off for three weeks with anxiety :/

Not good. Blinking needle phobia turned me into a shaking mass of teary jelly.

Hoping to wind down for 3 weeks and spend some lovely time with Dd before she becomes a big sister and I can no longer tell her she is my most favourite person.

I'm hoping for a boy for the stupid reason I can have a favourite girl and favourite boy lol. How say is that? However if it is a girl then it will be lovely for dd growing up together

So I guess on balance I'm happy either way! We are finding out the sex on June 10th which is the day we come back from our holiday to flamingo land!

Very excited to go although gutted I can't go on the big rides now! I have volunteered my services to take dd and dneice on the galloping horses and big slide lol.
Maybe the pirate ship hides bump lol

Anyone buying a pushchair, after giving friends lifts and going all over the shop with various pushchair I can NOT stress how much better it is to get one that has one handed fold, an folds in one piece.

Smitten1981 Mon 15-Apr-13 19:49:03

Wicked - yes. It was my bloods that were the issue it seems, the midwife said the nuchal measurement was normal.

I've spoken to ARC this afternoon about the best thing to do and they said that the only thing that can give you a yes/no answer is a diagnostic test, so a CVS. I can't wait another 2 weeks for an amnio.

I think the Harmony will just throw up more ratios and we need a yes or no answer.

We're booking a private CVS tomorrow so hopefully this will be over with as soon as possible one way or the other.

Notyomama sooty to hear you are feeling anxious. I hope the time off does you good.

Smitten I hope going private means you should be able to get a cvs nice and quickly to put your mind at rest and get an answer one way or the other soon.

I'm only a year older than you Cazboldy and catching up though since this will be my 5th c-section going for number 6 would be risky.

Sooty I'm so sorry you're going through this too but try to remember that the odds are still in your favour. Bear in mind that the risk of miscarriage with CVS is double that of the amnio and there is also more chance of them not collecting enough tissue and having to do the test twice which is risky.

I meant * smitten* not sooty. Sorry.

Smitten1981 Mon 15-Apr-13 20:24:23

Ha ha. I did my first lol of the day about the Sooty thing. grin

I think I'm going to have to take that risk MoN, I can't wait another two weeks. I don't know how you've managed it.

Wickedgirl Mon 15-Apr-13 20:37:19

Good luck smitten......I have my fingers crossed for you. Did they give you any idea how long it takes for the results to comeback?

cazboldy Mon 15-Apr-13 20:51:12

sorry to hear your news Smitten xx

MoN - you have my admiration..... 5 cs..... the only thing that ever scares me when i am pg is the thought i might need a cs.... especially when ds3 was breech at 27 + wks!

I would have to be put right out - the thought terrifies me!

Smitten1981 Mon 15-Apr-13 20:51:37

They said 3 days NHS so hopefully it might be sooner private. I can't call them until the morning though to book as I didn't get the news till late this afternoon.

I'm not going to work as I'll probably just cry randomly like I've been doing this afternoon.

They'll all know something is up as DH is the boss so they'd have probably started gossiping when he left suddenly this afternoon. Last of my worries though.

Sorry if I'm clogging up this thread by the way.

Not clogging up at all smitten. Talk away. brew

It is so important to be able to say how your feeling and you can't always in real life about things like this.

legallyblond Mon 15-Apr-13 21:06:24

Not clogging! Sonetimes it's good to talk here as you can say things on the screen in black and white that you might not be able to say in RL... We're all thinking of you!

Natalieand Mon 15-Apr-13 21:13:06

Best to let it all out smitten if u let all your thoughts as questions build up in your head you will drive yourself mad! Thinking of u at this difficult time, this thread sure has had it's fair share of bad luck for some of you ladies!!! Did u mean the NHS can do the cvs in 3 days? Or they will do it tommorow but the results take 3 days? Xxx

Smitten1981 Mon 15-Apr-13 21:20:01

The midwife said that the NHS test would would take three days for the results to come in, but didn't say when she could book us in for the test.

I'm calling the private place tomorrow, hopefully I can get in faster than on the NHS and to be honest I had little faith with my hospital anyway. They've ballsed a few routine things up as it is and I'm not sure I trust them to carry out something so important correctly. They don't have a good rep at the best of times.

Thanks for the nice messages ladies x

Natalieand Mon 15-Apr-13 21:31:50

Ladies I need your help I'm normally a size 24 and I am having a nightmare of a time getting maternity trousers!!!! I brought some jeans in the next size up to do me for now but they are so big on me they r embarrassing to wear hanging off my legs bum etc! Simply be only have one nice pair of 3/4 lengths but try have every size available 14-32!" With the exception of the size 24 (the size I need) I ordere the 22 too try just incase but they were about snug on my hips! Argh getting majorly stressed about it now!

Also can anyone remind me who our resident dentist is? I have a query :-) xxxx

char1eston Mon 15-Apr-13 21:32:55

Thinking of you here too smitten and there's no such thing as clogging the thread. Fingers crossed for tomorrow x

I think the dentist is called Rachel but I don't remember hearing from her in a while. I hope everything is ok.

Trousers for work if not maternity leggings all the way i am a size 20 and they are so comfy with loads of room what about next?

Shirehobbit Mon 15-Apr-13 21:52:38

Leggings have been an absolute life saver this last couple of weeks blush I'll venture into maternity trouser shopping after payday this month.
Ebay has been a rich source of maternity tops, though - my first purchases should arrive before the end of the week.

pinksky Mon 15-Apr-13 22:01:07

Smitten so sorry that you have had worrying test results. I really hope the private hospital can get you in asap. Don't blame you not going in to work--now is the time to just look after yourself.

Natalieand Mon 15-Apr-13 22:02:05

falcon my legs r just too wobbly too brave leggings lol. I looked on next as I saw on google they do up to a 22 but all I can seem to find on there is a 20 except in tops but I don't have a problem finding tops. I mean I no size 24 is a big size but surely I'm not the only fat person in the uk to require maternity trousers :-/

Nothing serious orange since my bfp I have had a sore throat non stop some days it's mild other days really severe I saw gp as soon as it started an he prescribed pencillin and said only cash the pre scription in if it worsens and tbh I felt it improved in the few days after so threw pre scription away, but it never actually cleared up went back to gp about 10 days ago and he took swabs of my throat and again pre scribed pencillin and said only cash it in if I ring in the next few days saying the swab is positive anyway the swab is negative but my throat is still really painful so not sure really where to go from here? That's why I thought our resident dentist may be able to help lol. Isit a sore throat a pregnancy thing or isit completely in related? Xx

I'm glad my complete ineptitude when it comes to typing on my phone made you smile smitten.
The first couple of days are the hardest. When the tears subside and the shock wears off you get some clarity of thought and things don't seem quite as bad as they first did.

Natalie I've seen a website called castaluna.co.UK recommended for mater ity wear in larger sizes also bigbirthas.co.uk.

Done a wee look around for you found a US website that ships to UK with loads of nice stuff www.motherhood.com smile

Marking my place. Sorry to hear your worrying news smitten, sounds like you and dh have a plan. Fingers crossed you get good results.

chickieno1 Tue 16-Apr-13 01:50:25

Thinking of you Smitten. Hopefully you get CVS sorted soon.

chickieno1 Tue 16-Apr-13 01:55:37

For those talking about the bugaboo bee I would recommend it. We had one from birth till ds was just over 2. he is quite tall and was always a very long baby so that was the only problem for us. We lived in London and I don't drive so walked everywhere esp when on mat leave. Went on buses, trains the tube no problem. Easy to fold one handed and when ds was little could carry him and buggy up the stairs quite easily. It was expensive but we got a lot of use out of it and sold it for over half the price 2 years later. I don't know what we re going to get this time esp if we have another long baby smile

JellyCurls Tue 16-Apr-13 05:52:36

smitten I agree with MoN you are in shock just now so give yourself time to absorb the news and def stay away from work. The tears will come and go for the next few days but they will fade. Have you spoken to your midwife about CVS or Amnio? I think it's a standard 48hr wait for initial results whether you go NHS or private.

I am sorry that you are going through this stressful time x

Slippysnow Tue 16-Apr-13 07:47:05

The scan photo is up now, I think its clear but a few people said they couldn't see it sad

JellyCurls Tue 16-Apr-13 08:13:09

Slippy I can see it grin and think its a very clear photo. I am loving all these scan pictures

Slippysnow Tue 16-Apr-13 08:17:43

That's what I thought, clearly my family aren't as baby minded

Bit worried. Help. Had a headache for coupla days now and now got hot shivers and i ache all over. Temp is 37.68. Is that high? What do you ladies suggest i do? Wait it out?

JellyCurls Tue 16-Apr-13 08:48:33

Think temp over 38 is a fever and for kids recommend calling doctor if stays above 38.5.

Not medically trained in anyway but sounds like a viral infection. Take paracetamol go back to bed with plentyof fluids to drink and if still got a temp later today call GP. Hope you feel better soon x

Thanks jelly. X

pinkbuttons Tue 16-Apr-13 09:07:04

So sorry to hear your stressful news smitten agree with not going to work today, just look after yourself. really hope your able to organise your CVS and get your answers soon xxx

Sorry your feeling rubbish pink agree with what jelly said, look after yourself, paracetemol should help keep your temp. down as well xx

Lovely photo slippy can definitely see a baby in there smile

Shootingstarsandcomets Tue 16-Apr-13 09:08:30

Sounds like a virus pink lady, above advice is perfect. Paracetamol should help bring temp down but it's not very high really.
I start antenatal yoga next week really looking forward to it as didnt do it last time and have been doing baby yoga with ds and enjoyed it so much.
I haven't told work yet I'm being a bit sneaky and have asked to go back early after taking all my holiday for this year so I can qualify for mat pay again. Once I'm into my holiday I'll tell them I'm pregnant and I'll take all of next years holiday before I start my next lot of mat leave which I'll start as early as I can. That way I'll get paid for maternity leave and I won't actually have to go back to the office. I think they will hate me forever. But I've got to do what's right for me haven't I?
Its my birthday today and I've had cake for breakfast!!! grin

Happy birthday ShootingStars can I use your birthday as an excuse for the cake I just bought and ate! grin

Just saw one of the mums from dd's school that I'm friendly with. She went to the loo just before Easter and had a baby boy.
She'd still been having periods all the way through. She'd said to me a few weeks ago that she wanted to start doing some exercise as she felt like she still looked pregnant after her last baby. I thought she looked fine. I'm in shock so God knows how she feels.

I just had two cherry scones with chocolate philladelphia in honour of your birthday ShootingStars.

Omg mon now that would be a shock!! poor woman hope she is taking it in her stride xx

She seemed absolutely fine. Even though her youngest is just a year she had thrown out all the baby stuff as she thought her family was complete as she had one of each. Her partner took some convincing that she didn't know the whole time.

Lol men always suspicious!! How are you today mon?

Happy birthday shootingstars! smile

I'm fine Falcon. I'm feeling more positive everyday. I know that no matter what happens we'll be just fine. I'm just hoping that the amnio doesn't show Edwards or Pateau's because those are the only two where I would have to terminate.

I have my fingers crossed for you mon xxx

Claphammama Tue 16-Apr-13 11:26:31

Happy birthday shootingstars! And yes, you need to do what's best for you. And don't worry - they would do the same if it was the other way round... I used to have a big job with my company before having my son. Then, when I was still on maternity leave, they did all they could to push me into a much smaller and less visible job. I believe that my VP who has a stay at home wife doesn't think women should have important jobs once they have children... And I work for "one of the best employees in the UK" apparently. I'm not the only one on our team it happened to. So yes, this is what this experience had taught me - think about your family and your life and do what's best for you. I am very much looking forward to getting my very well deserved maternity pay!!

Claphammama Tue 16-Apr-13 11:35:27

By the way, I'm 13 weeks today and already showing quite a bit... I think I was like this at 4 months with DS... There is definitely only one there! I asked the sonographer 3 times. How much are you / were you showing at 13 weeks?

Wickedgirl Tue 16-Apr-13 11:45:26

I will be 15 weeks tomorrow and have quite a big bump already. I have been in maternity clothes for almost 4 weeks as my normal clothes were really tight and made me feel ill.

This is my 4th though so I probably have no stomach muscles left to hold the baby in!

With my first, it took ages for me to show

Claphammama Tue 16-Apr-13 11:52:06

wow - congrats wickedgirl! 4 is very impressive... boys or girls?

I'm only on my second and have been in maternity clothes since week 8 but I'm quite small and my normal clothes were very fitted so perhaps that's why...

Hope I don't look like a whale by the end! Slightly scared I'm already showing and still have 6 months to go...

Shootingstarsandcomets Tue 16-Apr-13 11:55:36

Thanks for the birthday wishes ladies <hands out virtual cake to all> feel free to use me as an excuse to indulge!
mon that is crazy what a shock for her! But wow to get through a whole pregnancy and not realise that is pretty amazing!
claphammamma I'm 13 weeks too and bigger than I was with my first, think its normal to be bigger sooner with a second pregnancy because you are already stretched from your first one - nice! I'm not quite into maternity clothes yet but I'm going shopping next week so will get some then. I threw all my last lot out thinking by the time I get pregnant again fashion would have changed entirely- feels a bit déjà vu as I spent last summer pregnant and now this summer too!

NotYoMomma Tue 16-Apr-13 11:59:59

The sun is shining!
My mood has lifted!

I am in the 2nd trimester as of yesterday!

I'm sure it's a psychological thing, hit 12 weeks and relief ! For me anyway, as the same last time.

Hope you are all well.

MON wow! I know someone who did that too! Mild backache, had a bath, got out and had a baby! She was quite overweight though but had state the same since their first!

pinksky Tue 16-Apr-13 12:06:08

Happy birthday, shootingstars! I will definitely use it as an excuse to have cake! Think there's some carrot cake knocking about the office...

MoN have been thinking of you, I'm really pleased each day brings greater clarity. Just two more weeks to wait for the amnio? How long after that will you have to wait for results? Been thinking of you too, Smitten

Swimming last night was GREAT. I thoroughly enjoyed it and can't wait to float around in the water when I'm as big as a whale. The instructor was great re: the pregnancy and adapted a few things for me. I'm going to ask her about breaststroke next week as I've read conflicting information, lots of places say it's great in pregnancy but then I've also read that it's not good for hips (relaxed ligaments, can overstretch). Anyone got any views on this?

PinkLady I had flu back in Feb and they really couldn't do much for me, so I echo what everyone else says--lots of fluids, and don't be afraid of taking paracetamol. Feel better soon

pinksky Tue 16-Apr-13 12:08:07

Oh, meant to say I'm 13+1 and have a great pot belly developing but it feels more like bloat than a baby... am enjoying it a lot though--can't wait for it to get bigger grin

ananikifo Tue 16-Apr-13 12:14:29

blush at surprise babies! When I think of all the symptom spotting I did while ttc I can't believe anyone would not know! I wonder how you can keep having periods though?

I'm 13 weeks today. I weighed myself and have lost another 700 g (about 1.5 pounds) in a week. My lower abdomen sticks out a bit but because of my weight loss my clothes are looser. No one has said I look pregnant. I'm hoping I feel better in the second trimester and get to eat more.

Claphammama Tue 16-Apr-13 12:28:25

Hope you feel better soon ananikifo!

pinsky - looking forward to getting bigger? LOL - must be your first one?

Although I must say I'm looking forward to looking pregnant rather than just fat. Not too keen on this "in between bit"!

SeriousStuff Tue 16-Apr-13 12:33:27

I don't log in for a couple of days and we're already on page 9 of a new thread! Yikes! Will go back through all your messages now.

My cold is nearly gone, just some coughing left, so that's 16 days it lasted in all! I didn't take anything for it in the end, just made sure I kept eating as drinking as usual.

Can't believe I'm 14+3 today! Thinking back to when I was only 5+2 and how the days seemed to drag. I'm suddenly realising that the next few months will fly by!

I also now have a tummy. It's not huge but it's a very hard, noticeable paunch!

Hope you're all keeping well - we're in the middle of looking for a new house and hoping to be accepted for a rental one any day now...need to move before I get too big to move myself!

Haylebop12 Tue 16-Apr-13 13:36:10

Bleedin' Eck ladies, I'm away for 2 days and you've chatted for 7 pages!

Thank you for all your get well messages, I got discharged on Saturday afternoon and my god I feel soooooo much better! Still nauseas but my energy levels are on the up. I'm so pleased and relieved to feel like I'm coming out the other end of HG and I've coped, just about!

smitten sorry to hear of your news, I hope you get the answers your looking for, especially that everything is ok :-)

natalie in regards to maternity clothes, I, am the moment have been wearing some of my normal jeans but with the button undone. You get a hair bobble and loop it through the button hole and attach on the button. Iyswim, ill post a pic if you want.

Buggy talk, im reusing my loola. It'll do until baby is 18-24 months if i get another tall one and then ill buy a stroller like silvercross for the next year or so. I kept dd's buggy until she was 3.10 because of days out etc.

Feeding, I'm gonna try my best to bf but if I can't express easily I think I'd switch to ff sooner then if I was able to. Only problem I have is with family. DM ff all 4 of us and has concerns regarding bf so not sure of she's trying to put me off a bit. Not really sure how dh feels about it but he's quite a prude. Dd hasn't seen him naked ever. Dunno if that's weird or not?!

Anyone else feel laid back about the whole thing? I was worse with dd but seriously I'm not rushing with anything grin

Back to work next week for me. I'm ready for it.

Welcome newbies, were a lovely bunch. No judging here and nothing is tmi!

legallyblond Tue 16-Apr-13 13:37:10

claphammama this is my second (and third) and I am waay bigger than I was with DD. then, I first wore maternity jeans at my 20 week scan (and I wear tight fitted jeans!) - this time I wore then the day after my 12 week scan! Like you, I'm fairly small (size 10, very occasionally 8 in some shops - I'm 5'11") and wear tighter clothes, especially very tailored dresses for work, so they are all out now!!!

I'm 16.4 and very pregnant looking (although still just passable as a "belly" in the morning... Not in the evening!!). I lost over half a stone in the first trimester (I was really sick - 10 or 15 times a day.., no wonder now we know it's twins!), but deliberately trying to gain lots now. Low weight gain with twins is linked to prem labour, so I need to pack on the pounds with good things! I'm having a whole avocado with toast every morning for brekkie! Tbh, I used to have anorexia and was hospitalised many moons ago, so I am quite used to having to gain weight and, after lots of truly excellent treatment, it holds no demons for me now and I enjoy it!!! Bizarrely and luckily, despite having thrashed my metabolism, I actually like my natural weight and naturally don't easily gain lots, so I am confident about post preg weight etc!

smitten any news on the private test?

Also... Off to buy cake in honour!

Haylebop12 Tue 16-Apr-13 13:39:13

Oh and to who was talking about mat leave. My manager had already put me down for finishing at 36 weeks which for me is a couple weeks more then I want to really. My job is extremely physical (shift manager at sainsbos) so I reckon I'll be stuck on a bloody till toward send anyway. Not for me! I might leave it at 36 weeks and try and used holiday to actually leave at 32-32 weeks.

Haylebop12 Tue 16-Apr-13 13:41:26

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Smitten1981 Tue 16-Apr-13 13:47:02

Hello. Update time: The private place don't have a midwife that can talk to me today, so I have to wait till tomorrow to speak to them. The earliest they can get me in for the CVS is Thursday evening.

I called my NHS midwife this morning and she has booked me in for the CVS on Thursday at 4pm.

I said I'd go with whichever place could fit me in first, so the NHS won. Also the NHS midwife and the person at the private place said the tests are identical and so are the result times. So I can't see much point in paying £500 for the same test when I can get it for free.

I feel a bit better today as a 1:15 chance is about a 93% chance everything is ok.

Keeping my fingers crossed.

You have about 90 odd ladies on here with their fingers crossed for you as well smitten xx

I'll be taking a couple of weeks holiday at 36 weeks, and then mat leave kick in at 38 weeks. I'd like to finish earlier really, but as the main wage earner, and working for a company that pays out the minimum in mat pay, I have to be very careful with leave and pay. Was back at work when DS was 17 weeks, and am desperate to take as long as possible off this time.

pinksky Tue 16-Apr-13 14:22:05

Everything crossed for you, smitten X

roxvox Tue 16-Apr-13 14:24:58

haylebop pleased to hear you're out and about and feeling a bit better now!

smitten glad to hear you're feeling a bit more optimistic now. It's good that the NHS can get you in so soon, although I am sure that you're wishing it could be sooner!

haylebop it was me who mentioned mat leave. It's so impossible to know when I will start to struggle at the office! My work isn't physically strenuous by any means (I am a web developer) so I am guessing that will all be ok, but I am already getting very uncomfortable in my chair, and stiff legs after the 30 minute commute. Like bowlfull I am concerned about starting my mat leave too early. I would like to still be in the initial 6 weeks of maternity when I give birth (so I am still earning 90% of my wage, rather than the basic mat pay). I think I would like 6 months off with baby too, so I don't want to eat into that time too much prior to actually giving birth! I think I will tell my boss that I will need to wait until after my 20 week scan before I can give any ideas as a) I want to make sure my baby is ok before they start looking for mat cover (sorry to be so pessimistic, but I am trying to mentally prepare myself!) and b) I assume my due date may change again after this scan.

roofio87 Tue 16-Apr-13 14:53:41

hayleybop that's interesting about your mum. my mum tried to bf all 3 of us but found it too hard and had no support back then and has always felt like a failure for it and so is quite pushy for me to bf
whereas mil thinks I should ff but mainly so she can look after baby more easily!! I love how everyone has their opinions!!
smitten hope it goes well on Thursday and glad you can keep that £500 to spoil your little baby with!!

Claphammama Tue 16-Apr-13 14:56:53

best of luck smitten! we are all sending you positive thoughts!

legallyblond enjoy pilling up the pounds! I could eat kilos of avocados at any time... yum

And yes - it explains a lot. I'm also small - size 8 and 5'4" so the baby has nowhere to hide I guess! Good excuse for more shopping though.

I will be going on maternity leave as soon as I can... currently stuck in one of THOSE all day meetings and slowly losing my will to live... only the thought that we are all going to die one day so nothing really matters is helping me remain philosophical and put things in perspective... :-)

Haylebop12 Tue 16-Apr-13 15:04:01

roofio she is concerned about not knowing how much baby has taken and when she will get her turn at feeding. She isn't very involved with her other grandchildren due to distance and my brothers marriage breaking down so she gets really involved with dd. I am so lucky to have someone close to help me out. I do want to be able to share feeding duties hence being quite eager to express. We also have a friends wedding in December. Baby will be 8 weeks or above and want the chance to leave baby at home if I'm ready. (I want a child free day grin)

I think I get the initial results within 2 days, sometimes by the next day apparently, then its a two week wait for the full results.

That was for pinksky

Flyer747 Tue 16-Apr-13 15:28:11

I have everything crossed for you smitten, I really really hope it's positive news and 93% chance of being ok is really good odds...

Glad to head it's not just my employer who has crap maternity pay....I work for Virgin Atlantic and was shocked to read what they paid as they are such a good employer...6 weeks at 90% and rest upto 9 months statutory, I'm gonna be mega skint, then intend to go back to 50% hours...is anyone else on here planning to reduce their working hours after? Or am I the only lazy one haha

roofio87 Tue 16-Apr-13 15:36:49

I'm planning on not returning to my job after mat leave!! I'm in currently training to become a child miner so hopefully it'll work out that I go straight into that after mat leave!!

carliepow Tue 16-Apr-13 15:56:44

Thank you for all the welcomes, I'm loving this already!

Pushchair advice has been good food for thought , off to test some at the weekend I think.

I've been signed off work since 9 weeks pregnant as I'm an infant school teacher and not immune to the slapped cheek virus (currentl 16+2). Not allowed back until 24 weeks pregnant then only have 6 weeks at work until maternity starts (not taking into account the six weeks holiday also). Feel horribly guilty, trying to think of it as extended maternity leave though but at full pay! Aiming to work up until two weeks before due date - does this sound about normal to anybody else?

Fingers crossed for those of you waiting on appointments and results.

That's the same mat pay as I get Flyer I went part time after I had DD1 and since then my basic pay hasn't been much more than statutory mat pay, my feelings were if I can cope with that much income for months then part time is fine! smile

char1eston Tue 16-Apr-13 16:19:20

I started mat leave 3 weeks before edd with dd and she came a week late, so I had a month of watching deal or no deal, doing yoga and water aerobics smile
Might be worth mentioning in case you aren't aware - you will receive your whole years holiday when you are on mat leave so you could tag it on to the beginning and/or end of your mat leave and get paid grin and you get bank holidays added to your allowance as it is as if you worked them when on mat leave.
Flyer - when I went back to work I reduced my hours to 24/week (weds-fri) which works out good for me.

Warlin Tue 16-Apr-13 16:33:19

I started mat leave at 37 weeks, went home at about 3pm and my water had broken by 5pm...yikes! I was so focussed on finishing work and was quite stressed out so I guess I ignored the signs...plus I just assumed the contractions were braxton hicks...Will prob finish at 37 weeks this time too though but just be very cautious about looking for signs. I could have been very embarrassing as my waters really gushed for hours on end blush

Told our CEO today and he was actually really nice...gave me a big hug and told me to tell dh to get the snip grin. so relieved that it's out in the open.

I had my 16 week mw apt today....heard te heart beat...yay! But the rest was positively boring. She doesnt see me again until 25 weeks and after going privately last time, it seems very scant! Think we are going to get a private scan at 24 weeks as I can't imagine not seeing my baby for 20 weeks!

I got just stat mat last time as I hadn't been in my job for 2 years but this time I get 6 weeks 90%, then 3 months at half which is an improvement. Last time was tough financially with mortgages, car loans etc and practically no income!

DS has now started to crawl and I have realised what a hazardous place my house is....lots of baby proofing and constant supervision required!

Keeping everything crossed for both smitten and MoN.

Wickedgirl Tue 16-Apr-13 16:41:32

I work as a nanny and the family I work for are moving at some point over summer. I am hoping they move after I qualify for maternity leave as I could really do with having maternity pay of some description!

Shootingstarsandcomets Tue 16-Apr-13 18:58:47

How old is your ds warlin?

Haylebop12 Tue 16-Apr-13 19:01:30

I too get 90% for six weeks (avg pay inc bonuses eg overtime) then the rest smp. If I have waited two extra weeks to get pg I
Would have qualified for an extra 8 wks at 90% of contractual pay but I worked out I possibly lose out on around £160 so not too bad. Smp is only around £35 a week less then I earn anyway so with £10 extra from child benefit I think we will be just fine grin

I will be returning to work after mat leave. I currently work 3 days flexible and will need set days on return because ill have to rely on childcare from nursery/Childminder etc. for mornings then my mum on afternoons. Think dh needs to go for promotion so I can stay at home hehe

Carlie there are lots of other teachers here too. Do you have children in your class with slapped cheek? Or did you just ask to be tested for it? My MW said to look out for it as going round Kingston schools at the moment but no mention of getting a blood test.

I am knackered today and have an achy back. Having the Easter holidays was so nice, it has been a real shock to the system being back.

Re bumps, I am 5'3" and a size 6 so I think you are right whoever said that little people have nowhere to hide their bumps.

I can never quite believe it when people don't know their pregnant all the way to 9 months MoN. It must have been a huge shock!

carliepow Tue 16-Apr-13 19:35:26

OrangeBlossom2 - There was an initial case in my class when I was 7 weeks pregnant so was sent for the blood test, after waiting a couple of weeks for the result it turned out I didn't have immunity so my doctor won't let me return until 10th of June. He says its very rare to be a teacher, who's pregnant and not immune. In many other jobs I don't think I'd have been signed off. Although it feels horrible being off work in many ways, I've researched it quite a bit and some people have such awful experiences if they pass it onto their baby. If you find out that you're not immune though its good because you can be aware. Some counties are trying to make compulsory blood screening for the parovirus B19 (slapped cheek) with early pregnancy blood tests. I'd suggest anyone who doesn't know if they are immune or not should push for the blood test. Just one less thing to worry about during your pregnancy. I have heard that some MW dismiss it. Not sure about other people but I'd recommend being tested, most adults are immune anyway apparently. Once the red cheeks come out the children aren't contagious any more anyway, its in the couple of weeks prior to the red cheeks, so its almost impossible to know if a child has it.
I don't want you to feel worried reading this, like I say, most adults have immunity, ask for a test though if it will give you peace of mind.

With regard to bumps - I'm concerned mine is just crisps!! developed a new love for them!!

Thanks for that. Being signed off sounds good but actually I imagine it is pretty boring after a while. I did ask to be tested for chicken pox at booking because a child in the other year one class had it but was told they don't test unless i am in contact and develop spots as it is too expensive and most people are immune anyway. I didn't ask specifically about slapped cheek test. I am constantly paranoid about what I might catch from my class. I already have a sore throat after two days back. Just hoping I have already had most things.

Sephy Tue 16-Apr-13 19:47:42

It's good to hear all this talk of maternity leave planning - my manager asked me today what I'm thinking at this stage. I work for a big organisation where as far as I know it's quite common to go off for a year and come back to a different role at the same grade. To be honest, that's what I'd like to do as I don't particularly love this role and have enjoyed others more in the past.
I'm also considering taking a career break and not going back until the baby is at school (or til I have another one to get mat leave for...) so I don't really want the guilt of them holding the post open for me in case I don't want it. I was surprised that he's keen to have me back in a year and get someone in to cover in the meantime - not sure how sure I need to be about plans how quickly!

Is anyone else making tricky decisions about this kin of stuff or do people know exactly what they want?

SeriousStuff Tue 16-Apr-13 19:47:44

I run my own business so will be getting the minimal maternity pay available. I will take 2 months off completely but will then go back to working one day a week to start off (ridiculously, I will be better off financially this way), then I will add more days on as the months go by. I can work from home so I'm very fortunate to have this flexibility.

Luckily, my DH starts a long term, full time job in 2 weeks which has really taken the pressure off, a LOT!

My head suggested working as long as I possibly can up to the birth but midwife suggested 38 weeks. I didn't give an exact date yet.

I would like to take a career break too, although I am considering going back for a while to get maternity pay for a second baby before stopping working altogether for a while. If I do go back, ideally it would be part time.

Just got to work out of we can afford it!

Shirehobbit Tue 16-Apr-13 19:54:53

I'm a teacher too, but at KS2-3.
Like OrangeBlossom (I think?) I've also been pretty much told that returning part time will not be possible, so we are totally unsure what we'll end up doing. After successive redundancies, DH started retraining as an electrician two years ago, so I'm the main earner in the household. We have to wait and see how his career goes in the next 6-12 months before we can say what I'll do.

Shirehobbit Tue 16-Apr-13 19:58:00

Though, with our timings, whether leaving or going, I can always take advantage of the 13 weeks of return-to-work to keep SMP if leaving by coming back after May half term 2014, working ft for 6 weeks + summer holiday = 13 weeks full pay to September.

Claphammama Tue 16-Apr-13 20:01:45

I understand how torn you feel Sephy. I am also thinking about not going back after this one. I work for a great company but, after over 6 years, really don't enjoy my job. It's a hard decision and I'm honestly losing sleep over it. Mainly because I have a very good job most people would kill for and a very good pay... so I feel terribly guilty. However, my work is making me really unhappy these days. So, for me, it would be a lifestyle choice. My job is very full on and I'm already finding it exhausting with one. It would be so much worse with two and, if I can, I don't want to be a stressed miserable mum and miss all the best moments. I feel guilty and torn as I've worked so hard and so many years to get to where I am now. But I'm simply beginning to realise that this is not really where I want to be... this is where I thought I SHOULD be. Very different... would love to retrain and do something totally different. Thanks for raising this topic. It's killing me!
And please don't assume that they are really eagerly waiting to have you back. Perhaps they are indeed which would be lovely. But bear in mind that, by law, they must keep your role open for you for 6 months. They can't fill it permanently. They can't even hint at anything other than keeping your role for you. After 6 months it changes - they can offer you another equivalent role. So don't worry too much about messing them around. Whatever you decide to do, they will survive. Especially big companies. You don't have to and shouldn't make this choice right now - this is why the law protects us in this respect.

ananikifo Tue 16-Apr-13 20:08:20

In the NHS we get 8 weeks full pay, 18 weeks half pay plus smp, 13 weeks smp, and 21 additional unpaid weeks. I assume these are the national Agenda for Change conditions as I don't work for a foundation trust.

I'm hoping to add at least three weeks annual leave to the beginning and end. The problem is my income is essential for us and I don't know how we'll manage on smp. I'm going to be a bridesmaid at a wedding in Canada in June and would love to be on mat leave until then but we'll probably be completely broke by that time. The unknown factor is how much child care will cost, because if it costs too much it may work out just as well to stay on mat leave and collect SMP. I know we should be researching this now but we have a pretty full plate with other more urgent issues, like buying a house, which will hopefully help reduce monthly expenses.

It's common in my profession to come back to work part time. I'm still hoping to get a new post before I go do again, I want to see what will happen with that. PIL have offered to help with child care but there are logistical issues with that and it's another reason we don't have the whole back to work budget figured out.

Am I the only one that hasn't figured all this out yet? It's still early, right?

ananikifo Tue 16-Apr-13 20:14:34

Cross-posted with a bunch of people! Looks like I'm not alone at bring unsure about things.

Sephy and Clephamamma I hope you work it out to get the tome you want with your dcs and also satisfying careers. I'm really afraid that I won't want to go back to work but financially it's not a choice for me.

Natalieand Tue 16-Apr-13 20:18:18

14+1 now ladies and had my first day time nap in a week it was gooooood, feeling so emotional and stressed about money ATM :-( wit dh being off sick and his job being commission based we r gunna be so skint for the next few months. I'm not sure if I'm suffering with depression dh says he thinks I am but that i won't admit it but I've never experienced it before so not really sure how do I no if I am depressed or not? I'm panicking over the baby having to share a room with dd and that's it's selfish of me to make her share her space but we can't really afford to move ATM and dd being pushed out, dd is my absolute world and I'm panicking how am I gunna love this new baby the same? Do u no what I mean? It's been me dh an dd for so long now I'm worried what our new life will be like as a foursome. Also dd is testing me and dh big time with her behaviour (she's 2.5) so I assume its just her age. So sorry to waffle on just felt like I needed to off load and Dont wanna ramble onto dh I don't think he gets what I mean. Maybe it's just hormones?

With regards to mat leave it doesn't effect me as dh has fertility problems I chose not to return to work (I worked for NHS) incase dd was my only chance to see my Child grow up and te week before I got my BFP I actually applied for another NHS job l

Natalieand Tue 16-Apr-13 20:19:45

Oooops posted too early. Xxxx

Luckily I didn't get the new job with the NHS or that would have been orquad lol

Glad the NHS can fit u in soon smitten although like someone else said Im sure Thursday seems forever away for u but hopefully it will give u the answers you need. Xxx

pinkmoonlight Tue 16-Apr-13 20:27:04

I definitely have a bump and I'm only 12+4- quite scared about getting big so quickly as it's only my first child! I wore my normal trousers to work today and regretted it. HT doesn't want parents at the school to know that I'm pregnant for another few weeks- I have no idea how that will happen. Had to grab my cardigan at home time in the bright sun in an attempt to disguise baby!

carliepow is right, most teachers are immune to slapped cheek. I went to my GP before TTC and asked for blood tests to check rubella, slapped cheek and chicken pox. They said they wouldn't usually do it pre-pregnancy but seeing as we are in a high risk job (surrounded by unhygienic little monsters!) they did it for me.

orangeblossom I too am struggling with the return to normality. Off to bed in a minute, I'm exhausted! x

Claphammama Tue 16-Apr-13 20:30:21

It's so difficult to predict how you will feel ananikifo. With DS1 I had to go back after 7 months and cried for two weeks. I was so not ready and so emotional about it. At the same time, my friend who took a year off was going nuts after 9 months of being at home and couldn't wait to go back. Everyone is different.

Nataliend I think you are going through normal second pregnancy worries. Everything is more difficult the second time round. One of my friends was also paranoid she wouldn't love the second one as much as the first one - until the day the second one was born :-) I think nature sorts it out for us!

Sephy Tue 16-Apr-13 20:37:44

Thanks for the support claphammama and all - good reminder that I don't need to have all the answers yet! You're right about that ana. I feel so similar to you claphammama - Ive only been here 4 years but apart from that I'm pretty much in the same boat. The main difference is I know there are other jobs in my organisation I could probably do and would enjoy more so I think I'd like to use this as an opportunity to try one of them... Perhaps.
Also thanks for the reminder of how lucky I am to be able to consider being a SAHM for a while as I know there are lots of people who'd like to but don't have that option. I'm in such a "too many good options" problem and should be grateful!

natalie I guess a doctor is the best person to diagnose depression - or perhaps the midwife, particularly if you feel it might be related to the pregnancy. Maybe have a chat with her about how you're feeling soon? And I don't think sharing a room with a sibling makes you a selfish mummy - lots of kids love it and it teaches them good stuff about getting along with others etc. you're by no means the only one doing that so please don't feel bad about it.

Wickedgirl Tue 16-Apr-13 20:41:29

Natalie...... My baby will have to share a bedroom too. I shared with my sister when I was growing up and I loved it. My sister used to tell me funny stories as we lay in bed trying to get to sleep. My sister and I are still really close even now (I'm 37 and she is 40)

racheld33 Tue 16-Apr-13 20:43:41

Natalie, I shared with my older sister (3 years between us) till I was 8 and it was the best smile

racheld33 Tue 16-Apr-13 20:46:18

As for work, i was full time before had DS, finished at 36 weeks, had 7 months off, but then only done 2 days a week since then. Would love to have 12 months off this time, but just don't think we'd be able to afford it (currently got DH looking at our finances so see if I can fiddle it!) grin

juniper9 Tue 16-Apr-13 21:13:56

My bump outed me to my class' parents today. Had my coat off at home time as it was sunny, then stretched up. Quite a few parents raised eyebrows in surprise. Wasn't planning on telling them yet!

I thought I had quite good stomach muscles, but I started showing at about 11 weeks and now at 16 I'm having to organise clothes into obscene too tight and wearable. I'm 5'1 and haven't put on any weight! I used to drink a lot of beer and have stopped, so think my base weight is probably about 7st6 now.

Natalie i agree i would mention it to your GP. Thinking of you.

My head doesn't want me to tell anyone at school until 16 weeks but the rebel in me wants to start wearing really skin hugging clothes! I told the Teaching Assistant in the same year group as me today when she showed me her scan. I said I have one too! We are only a few days apart so can grow together.

Me and DH were both brought up by stay at home mums. Me a single mum on benefits for most of that time, him in much 'better' circumstances but we both really appreciate having had our mums around now and want the same for our children ideally. But even more important we need to be able to afford our house, food, clothes etc! We need to do some proper adding up nearer the time and consider costs of childcare. I like being a teacher but really there are only a few good moments each day, the rest is exhausting, frustrating sometimes upsetting hard work and I would be happy to give it up for a few years to spend with my own child(ren). I think... Of course I may go crazy being at home.

Shirehobbit my employment lawyer friend was outraged that I had been told now that I couldn't come back part time.

I have been self employed but not making money so I am stopping. My DH works and is a full time student. We are poor but for me time with d's and bump is worth the trade. I have always wanted to be a sahm and I am lucky to have a man that would look after me, not very modern but we are very happy smile

Shirehobbit Tue 16-Apr-13 22:19:52

I suspect my employer will get around it by offering me "something", orangeblossom, but that it will be so done so it is unworkable - eg, maybe a 0.3 timetable, but over five days, or something similar, making childcare unaffordable, etc.

In an ideal world, we would like me to be a sahm too, but it may not be possible. We waited as long as we could, but the biological clock was beginning to not just tick, but scream with alarm bells wink

notsoold Tue 16-Apr-13 22:46:02

Natalie....I hear you hun!!! As suggested by others it is always better to see the gp or the mw regarding depression. But worries during the second pregnancy (when the older child is still quite young and a strong bond) is quite common. Like you I invested a lot on dd whom was 5 when ds came. I worried about sharing rooms, about money ( dh was unemployed), about having a place in my heart for a second dc....
I can tell you that everything sprted itself and dd and ds still have a strong bond ( he was quite upset when she left to live with fiancee in their own flat)....things change...but a child's capacity for loving a new sibling is a wondrous thing to see...
Xxx to all

NHS scan this afternoon. Nervous and excited even though I had a private one a couple of weeks ago where I saw there is definitely a baby in there. All the tests today. Hoping everything is ok then I think I will be able to relax a bit more. Dreamt of pulling handfuls of teeth out of my mouth last night. Ah my subconscious is so cliche!

ananikifo Wed 17-Apr-13 06:50:34

Good luck today, orange blossom!

Shirehobbit Wed 17-Apr-13 07:34:31

Good luck today, orangeblossom. I just sobbed through mine two weeks ago and forgot to ask the questions I had!

Claphammama Wed 17-Apr-13 07:59:43

good luck orangeblossom! enjoy.

notsoold really good to hear that your children have such a strong bond. I will have the same age difference when this second one is born - 5 years. Was a bit worried that it was too much and they would have little in common (there are 4 years between myself and my sis and we grew up pretty much separately but then we are extremely different personalities). And I agree - the best thing is seeing how excited DS is - he keeps talking about the baby and kissing my tummy. So sweet

Haylebop12 Wed 17-Apr-13 08:41:47

I will also have a big age gap. Dd will be 4.8 when baby arrives but I see it as a good thing. She is very keen to help and be involved so I think fetching things etc she will be able to do. She can also make her own cereal and squash grin and she will be full time school come sept. I see this as I've timed things pretty well tbh!

Haylebop12 Wed 17-Apr-13 08:42:31

Good luck today orange

Wickedgirl Wed 17-Apr-13 08:54:39

I have a huge age gap. If this baby is a girl, it will share with my DD who will be almost 15!

If its a boy it will share with a 9 and a half year old

I hope my body remembers how to give birth after so long

JellyCurls Wed 17-Apr-13 09:18:10

Good luck today orange

I have16wk appointment this afternoon and feel strangely nervous. Already slept in this morning and left house without my notes so days not off to a great start. My bump has gone again and back to my normal per preg clothes.

Hope everyone else is feeling super x

roxvox Wed 17-Apr-13 09:30:00

Jellycurls I think we might be living parallel lives! I too have my 16w appointment this afternoon, am feeling very nervous, will have to pop home to get my notes before the appt, and I was just thinking this morning how my bump seems to have reduced massively so it must have just been bloat!

Really not sure what to expect from the MW appt. I have loads of questions for her (including 'Why didn't they measure the nuchal fold?' and 'Can you pleeeaaase use the doppler?') but I get this feeling that I am going to leave the appointment quite deflated.

Good luck today Orange!

Haylebop12 Wed 17-Apr-13 09:30:14

Ok you win wicked grin

notsoold Wed 17-Apr-13 09:33:20

Wicked... You are in my team girl!!! How are your dcs reacting??? The gap now between dc1 ( dd) to this lo will be 19 years and to dc2(ds) will be 14. Both are over the moon and my ds is carring anything that weighs more than a pound as " Mum you are carrying my little mate".
Dd is so happy they adopted a kitten in lieu of a baby( I know...really not the same but they already have a cat and are very responsible in their little flat).

And now on the 12 week ms started and I am as sick as a dog....vom yesterday and today ....

Good luck jelly !! Xxx

carliepow Wed 17-Apr-13 09:48:13

Good luck orange!

I also have 16 week appointment today and am nervous too!! Really want to hear the heartbeat, can they definitely hear it now?

Good luck Jelly and Roxvox.

Good luck ladies with appointments today. I think the 16 week appointment is a let down from what I recall - seem to remember waiting over an hour for my appointment, and being in and out within 10 minutes. Think they give you results of blood test, test urine - and that's pretty much it! Have mine tomorrow, but have a student midwife assigned to me who wants to 'have a proper chat about how things are going'. Not sure what there is to say to be honest confused.

How do you guys with VERY big age gaps feel about doing it all over again? Must be strange (but lovely) to have independent teenagers and a helpless little bubba on the way! My age gap will be 2 years 9 months - and quite frankly am bricking it about having a baby and a spirited toddler to cope with.

Oh and Natalie, mine will be sharing a room as well, and I'm not remotely concerned about it. My family all tend to have 3 kids, and not very big houses, so sharing rooms is very much the norm for me. We want to move to a bigger place, but really not going to stress about it for the next couple of years smile

HotSoupDumpling Wed 17-Apr-13 09:50:26

Good luck for those with scans/appointments today! Had a free 5 second scan when I went to see the consultant recently.

Don't worry notsoold I'm also still feeling sick and have got worse as the first trimester ended - vomming more often. Muh. Jealous of those who have reached the glowing stage!!

Morning!

Good luck to those who have 16 week appointments at mine last week my bump went to a pile of mush turns out its just because there spine was against mine, also the reason i have severe back pain!

I have my sexing scan in 3 days really excited about it! I am pretty sure its my little Willow in here but im open to a surprise smile

Umlauf Wed 17-Apr-13 10:05:49

Hello again ladies! This thread seems to be going a bit slower than the others did. Do you think now we have started telling people in rl we are less chatty?!

Good luck to all the appointments today! The 20 week ones will be here before we know it! I have my 18 week midwife appointment next Friday (no 16wk) and am going to demand a tour of the hospital. It's not done here, but I think it will really help me to have seen it.

Age gaps! I keep threatening to have my tubes tied, but if we do have another it will have a loooonnnnnggg age gap! I'm not doing this again in a hurry!

I'm not taking to pregnancy well. I feel a bit repulsed by my belly, haven't bought or even thought about buying anything, am still experiencing severe back pain though that might not be helping. I'm looking forward to seeing the gender though for bondings sake. Ill be taking a year off work but as I'm not entitled to any maternity pay or SMP or even child benefit at all, I'm panicking a lot tbh.

HotSoupDumpling Wed 17-Apr-13 10:39:55

Umlauf - I'm going to be a SAHM with no mat pay/benefit etc, relying solely on DH - PM me if you need anyone to discuss it with, as I understand it is a bit scary!

pinkbuttons Wed 17-Apr-13 11:14:33

Good Luck to all with appts and scans today.
we have our research scan this afternoom and am really nervous.
still havent put on any weight and am worried about babies growth as had definitely put on at least 5lbs with DS.

natalie I just wanted to send my support like everyone else. I cant say whether or not your depressed but I have had some of the same worries as you including if Im doing the right thing by DS. I love our time together and dont want him to miss out but I also want him to have a sibling and get all the jpy and benefits of that. It a relief for me to hear some peoples thoughts on here, i have been worrying about loving this baby as much as DS but didnt feel able to speak to anyone in RL about it because I didnt know if it was an awful thing to think...

roofio87 Wed 17-Apr-13 11:24:09

good luck to everyone with scans and appointments today!!
after ringing about a hundred times and fighting with the drs receptionists to get my 16w mw appointment I spoke to a lovely one this morning who fitted me in on Tuesday morning next weeksmile
got an appointment at the hospital for anti d injections (I'm o negative) have looked it up and don't understand it at all, but will just go with it!! anyone else had/having this?
hope you're feeling a bit better today Natalie always feel free to come here and tells us how you really feel,it might help!! Im panicing a bit about how this first baby is going to change my life and relationship!!

Umlauf Wed 17-Apr-13 12:07:01

Thanks hotsoup that's really kind!

pinkbuttons every person ever says how two pregnancies are never the same so I am sure that this one is absolutely fine. It must feel natural to compare the two but don't fret too much, 5lbs isn't too much in the grand scheme of it!

natalie hope you're feeling better today (just read back). I'd definitely ask the midwife about depression just in case, as its better to sort these things sooner than later. There is no way you are a bad mother, lots of siblings share and love it. I had my own room but my sister would move her bed in and we'd refuse to sleep apart! My baby won't even have a room we don't think and is going to have to put up with a screen in the Lounge for a bit when we move him out of our room as we just can't afford anything bigger - I don't think ill be a crap mother, just an impoverished one! The baby is lucky to have you and your dh, and a gorgeous big sister and live in a really good country and your dd will love having a sibling!!

Umlauf Wed 17-Apr-13 12:08:46

Oh, and can you all talk to me about BOOBS please?!

Mine have gone up 3 sizes. I've just bought a bikini from m&s in size 12 bottoms and a size 20 top. Thank god for separates!

Really worried ill be sized out of nursing bras! I used to work for bravissimo so I know the biggest size available anywhere and its only 4 sizes bigger than what I am now!

Do they go back down!? Ever???!

Slippysnow Wed 17-Apr-13 12:38:56

Hi everyone!

First of all, good luck to anybody with appointments. umlauf my boobs were originally 32E and at 12+ 5 I'm going to start looking into maternity bras as my regular boring underworked t shirt bras are beginning to get painful, but my boobs having grown noticeably bigger (I'm surprised). The nipples killed me for weeks. It was my first symptom.

Now I have some silly first mum queries for anyone who has any experience, knowledge or expertise.

I think I have said before that I would like to buy a baby jogger city mini gt. we walk the dog alot over grass and would love to take baby with us. Now I keep on reading the benefits of new borns lying flat due to developing organs and bones. Fine- solution flat lying carry cot addition. However, I'm confused about slings?! I was also thinking of the possibility of using a baby Bjorne carrier- the baby won't be flat in this? Am I missing something as loads of mums use carriers/slings rather than flat prams.

This also brings me on to car seats, again they are not flat in these. I know you aren't meant to have young babies in them for more than two hours but on the rare occasion (which is unlikely to arise) that I would travel long distance if you had a break between the two hours is it then safe. Especially as a one off? Also- why do travel systems recommend the car seat adapters for new born if they are not truly considered the best?

And breath.

Claphammama Wed 17-Apr-13 12:39:23

Yes, they go down after you stop breastfeeding... trust me. Most if not all of them. And trust me - you will miss having them then! LOL

Slippysnow Wed 17-Apr-13 12:41:03

**boring underwired t shirt bras are beginning to get painful, but my boobs havent grown noticeably bigger

Claphammama Wed 17-Apr-13 12:49:06

"slippysnow" - I was told (at my baby clinic if I remember correctly...) that a baby should never 'not be flat' for longer than 45 minutes. So it's OK to use the car seat, slings or baby bjorne for up to 45min. I tried to keep DS as flat as possible, especially in the first months when their their spine and bones are still so soft. I'm pretty sure some one offs will be OK though. We had some occasions when he was in a car seat for 2 or even 3 hours - I was stressing about it though :-) Worth asking someone professional when you have a chance. I'm planning to keep this one as fat as possible too. I reckon - why risk... but they are resilient little things.

Claphammama Wed 17-Apr-13 12:50:31

correction! I meant "I'm planning to keep this one as FLAT as possible", definitely not as FAT as possible!

Wickedgirl Wed 17-Apr-13 12:51:44

Notsoold......my eldest and youngest seem to be the most excited and the middle one is happy but is always very quiet. He is very good with babies and young children though so I know that he'll be fine too.

My eldest and youngest are arguing over who gets the baby in with them......my dd says she has waited the longest so she should get the baby and the youngest says he has more space in his room so he should get the baby. Still it's better that way than them all saying that none of then want the baby in with them

Bowlfullofjelly........I have worked in childcare my entire working life so am used to juggling lots of children and lots of age groups so that will be fine. I am more tired this time around but I think that anyone who works and is pregnant with their 4th baby will be more tired. I have worked a lot over the last 5 years as a night nanny and doula so having another tiny baby (that is actually my own) is very exciting.


Roofio..........I am B- so I too will be having anti d jabs through pregnancy and after having the baby. They really hurt(sorry!) but if they help me to keep the baby safe then who cares? They also help to safeguard any future pregnancies too.

I hope that everyone's appointments go well today

Natalieand Wed 17-Apr-13 12:52:04

Thanks for everyone's support I'm not seeing my midwife for a few weeks now but I'm seeing the consultant Friday do u think its worth mentioning my concerns to her?

slippy I have purchased the carry cot addition to my babystyle oyster buggy but only cos I felt the seat unit didn't lay back anywhere near enough where as in my opinion some seat units lay back plenty for a new born. I'm not sure what the seat unit is like in the buggy you are thinking of though, with regards too car seats I think the two hour rule is just a guideline as some ppl drive where there and everywhere with the baby in the seat then just attach the car seat to the buggy frame and that would be no good long term but I think for an occasional long drive (on holiday/too family/days out etc it will be perfectly acceptable to have them in the car seat a little longer plus when they r teeny chances r u will be stopping to do feeds etc anyway hope this helps xxx

Slippysnow Wed 17-Apr-13 13:03:24

Thanks for the speedy replies, yeah it does help - its pretty much what I thought the answer would be. In my head I'm trying to imagine how much I'll be out and about as I know outdoors is great however, in reality I think I'm seeing things through rose tinted glasses. smile

Slippy there is so much advice out there it can be overwhelming, they are only "newborn" for such a small amount of time I wouldn't worry too much about buying lots of things that u will only use for a small amount of time, I didn't go too far in the first few weeks with my first so not having a carrycot attachment on the pram wasn't too much of an issue. Our pushchair of choice lies flat and even if baby looks a bit lost and tiny in it I'd rather know it will last for years after, we will attach the car seat for quick school runs and shopping trips and ditto with using the sling if baby is awake, we have a moses basket at home so he/she will get plenty of lying flat time too (although knowing a newborn only till it wants feeding/changing/cuddling!)

Slippy - not sure this is helpful but my DS was never flat blush. We didn't have a pram, just travel system, so he was always in the car seat when we were out and about. He also had silent reflux, which resulted in him not sleeping well when flat due to the discomfort, and the only way he would nap was in his car seat as he was sat up a bit more. He was definitely 'not flat' for more than two hours every day - and he is fine smile - all straight, and all organs in place (as far we know!). I'm in no way suggesting to ignore health advice, but would also say that most of my preconceptions of what I would and wouldn't do went out of the window when he arrived, and I actually just went with my instinct and did anything possible to get him to sleep.

pinkbuttons Wed 17-Apr-13 14:57:42

Back from scan and all is well smile One very active baby in there. Sonographer was lovely and spent a long time trying to see gender before taking the measurements he needed. He said he couldnt be certain but its more likely to be a girl... he went through everything with us, but said wed have a better idea at the next scan, although he did then go on to refer to baby as she and her and told DH hes put money on it... roll on my 20 week scan on 16th May grin

roxvox Wed 17-Apr-13 15:14:51

Fantastic news pinkbuttons! Were you hoping for a girl or not fussed either way?

I've just got back from my 16w midwife appointment and I've heard my baby's heartbeat! So happy to have heard it! MW said it sounded healthy, and she also took some bloods and told me (re the reason why I didn't get the nuchal fold measurement taken) that they only do so in this area if the mother is over 35, otherwise they do the 2 blood tests. If I don't hear from them within the next week then I am low risk for Down's Syndrome.

So pleased to have heard a heart beat!

Congrats pink and roxvox. Hope I get to hear the heartbeat tomorrow - fingers crossed!

pink we are scan date buddies - mine is 9.45 on 16th - excited and nervous already. Think we will then book a well being scan around 30 weeks, as 20 weeks is too long to not see baby for!

pinkbuttons Wed 17-Apr-13 16:28:14

Thank you roxvox and jelly Have always said I would like to have a girl although were hoping to have more children in the future so would have been happy either way with this one. Going to stick to my word though and not go buying pink yet he was only 80% sure at this point
jelly mine is at 9:55 so just after yours, will be nice to have less time to worry and hopefully they wont be running as late at that time of the morning!
Congrats on hearing the heartbeat roxvox interesting about nuchal scan in your area.

JellyCurls Wed 17-Apr-13 16:52:58

Just back from midwife and got to hear a nice healthy 150bpm heart beat grin next appointment is scan on 15th May at 10am so excited its starting to feel real now

Wickedgirl Wed 17-Apr-13 17:24:24

I am so excited.......I can feel flutters!

I wasn't sure a few days ago but they are getting more frequent and "stronger". grin

Congrats roxvox and jelly, pinkbuttons how far along are you my scan is on Sat will pretty much be 17 weeks, wondering if i will get reliable sexing? They say they can tell you 99.9% but wondering if its variable depending on how far along you are. My NHS MW says they dont give those odds till 26 weeks confused.

I was meant to have a midwife appointment on the 15th but for some reason had it in my head that the appointment wasn't until the 19th. I only realised when a letter arrived this morning saying that I'd missed it and that it had been rearranged for the 22nd.
Maybe I should ask Dp to take the day off work and come with me. It might help it seem more real to him if we get to hear the heartbeat.

Shirehobbit Wed 17-Apr-13 18:23:09

Exciting news with lots of appointments today! grin

Out of curiosity, how many people aren't finding out the sex?

Very jealous, wickedgirl! wink I'd love to feel some flutters. I've nicknamed this period the twilight zone; all the first trimester stuff has gone, but very few pregnancy signs remain (except huuuuge boobs and generally looking podgy!). I have to keep reminding myself this is all really happening...

Wickedgirl Wed 17-Apr-13 18:37:27

I'm not finding out the sex

I did with my second as I had an amnio and I wanted something positive out of such a scary time.

My first and third were a surprise and I think it's nicer that way. I think this one might be a girl (but I'm probably wrong!)

Natalieand Wed 17-Apr-13 18:45:28

I'm in week 14 and for week 13 I found my tiredness really subsided and their was light at the end of the tunnel but now again this week (week 14) I keep falling asleep sitting up again lol

Good news on the scans/appts today!

I too am very jealous wicked especially as I was told my placenta is anterior so will probly be a while before I am feeling movements :-(

Has everyone reached the 12 week mark now for the October thread? Xx

NotYoMomma Wed 17-Apr-13 19:01:19

Hello all!

um as a bravissimo loyalty card holder who is already in the largest size (an I'm only a 14/16 normally!) I am terrified.

Last pregnancy I went from 32G to a 34J and they never went back down!

I have back problems so am actually contemplating asking for a breast reduction after these babies are done with! Thank goodness is my last!

Also: BMI/ water birth update....
I'VE NOW LOST 10lbs!

Water birth is a go!

Sanjifair Wed 17-Apr-13 19:24:22

Roofio,
I am A- and had the anti-D last time. Was told it really hurt, but it wasn't that bad, I was expecting worse! It is in case your baby has a different blood type to you (my DS turned out to be AB +) and if for some reason your bloods mix then it can be dangerous.

We found out sex with DS, but are thinking of having a surprise this time. I do know someone who was told 'girl' at the 20 week scan, but when she had a later 3D scan the 'she' turned out to be a he! I think if they say boy it is pretty definite, but a girl is less certain.

Well done on the BMI Noyomamma

pinkbuttons Wed 17-Apr-13 19:27:33

falcon Im 15+4, my sonographer was lovely and said at this stage he is normally able to tell if its a boy as there's something to look for am sure you will be fine at 17 weeks, as long as bean co operates smile
Exciting for feeling movement wicked Im still not sure if what Im feeling is baby or not but I like to think it is.
notyomamma thats amazing! Well done! I'd also love to have a water birth so desperately hoping for no complications like high BP that I had last time.

Congrats notyomama.

Umlauf I have gone from a 30B to a 28F or FF.Bravissimo said under wired are ok but the first day I wore my new one I felt my ribs were bruised so sticking to soft ones now.

We are finally back from my 12 week scan. They were rubbing late so we were there for 2 1/2 hours. I still have one very wriggly baby. Hooray! The sonographer found it hard to take measurements but persevered. NT was 2.4 which is higher than average but should be ok as I am youngish and don't smoke. Feeling a bit less anxious now, just got to wait a couple of days to hear if there are any problems. My scan pictures are blurry and two are of the back of the head as the baby kept flipping over. I am glad we got nice ones a couple of weeks ago when it was asleep. I have my notes and booking bloods to look through now and was very pleased to see the little thing again, particularly looking so alive this time! It has grown half as big again as it was two weeks ago and is now swallowing amniotic fluid as I could see the black stomach. The finger and jaw bones have also developed in the last fortnight.

So I am now 13+3, EDD 20th October. The sonographer told me off a bit for booking scan so late and asked if I was late booking with GP. We called them at 3+5 and had an appointment with them the earliest they would allow at 5 weeks so definitely not my fault! I was a bit annoyed as I did ask for it to be earlier at booking after my private scan. I would have been more annoyed if it meant they couldn't measure anything but it was ok in the end.

My 20 week scan is at 21+2 on 11th June. The Sonographer recommended booking it at 19 weeks for someone my size but that was the first available. I think there must be a bit of a baby boom this Autumn.

Natalieand Wed 17-Apr-13 20:03:40

Congrats orange when I booked my 20 week scan the receptionist said there is a huge baby boom on ATM and appts are scarse so I had to accept the first appt they gave me, I then tried to change it to earlier and the only appts they had were for 3 weeks after the one I had already booked! Mental lol xxx

Looking at my blood results my lymphocytes and RBC are both low. I was told today that results would be discussed at 16 week scan but I might give the go or midwife a ring to see if it is ok before then. Anyone else have this?

Appointment, not scan at 16 weeks.

HotSoupDumpling Wed 17-Apr-13 20:25:35

Congrats on the good news everyone. Notyomamma, must be a relief to know you can have a water birth.

Natalieand Wed 17-Apr-13 21:17:30

Does n e one know if u can use deep heat while pregnant? I tried dr google and it gave me a 100 different answers lol x

char1eston Wed 17-Apr-13 21:38:29

Shire - we won't be finding out the sex. Didn't with dd either and we liked the surprise (both of us admitted later that we wanted a girl!).
Asked dd (1.10) what we should call the baby in mummy's tummy and she has named it fuffa (might keep it up until birth).
Got some clothes delivered from jojo's yesterday. Wore the leggings o work today and they were soooo comfy.

Claphammama Wed 17-Apr-13 22:01:49

I'm planning to find out. Found out with DS as it bothered me not knowing how to refer to him - he or she. And we really wanted a girl although now I really don't understand why... little boys are so adorable... so have absolutely no preference this time. Still - want to know! My name list is also getting longer and longer... do you know what your favourite names are for a boy and a girl?

Flyer747 Wed 17-Apr-13 22:57:03

We can only agree on 2 names claphammama Olivia Jane for a girl and Jacob Thomas for a boy! Every other name I like he doesn't and vice versa, although Elizabeth was mentioned the other day and we both agreed we like that....a lot of our friends already have children and a lot of the names we like have been taken!

What about everyone else?! Maybe your names can inspire us...

Congrats to scanners today x

My names are Willow for a girl and Jacoby James for a boy grin

Claphammama Wed 17-Apr-13 23:39:37

wow - you are much further ahead than us! we can't agree on anything... and DF (is there even an acronym for dear fiancé?) now keeps winding me up by coming up with specials such as Hannibal... charming. The only person with clear ideas is our 4 year old who refuses to have a brother (only sister please) and for some reason insists she must be called Charlotte... could it be his secret reception class love? I'm jealous... :-)

Claphammama Wed 17-Apr-13 23:46:05

PS. just rubbing about 1 kilo of Neal's yard mother's balm in my bump. Desperately trying to avoid stretch marks... managed to avoid the curse the first time round. Is it true they are more likely in second pregnancies as we tend to get bigger?

chickieno1 Thu 18-Apr-13 01:54:43

Willow is a lovely name Falcon. There s a willow next door who s 4 1/2 and soooo grown up smile

No idea about stretch marks clapham mama, not as good this time with rubbing cream on bump. Oh well......

I don't want to find out sex but tonight dh said he wanted to know???? With ds we didn't want to know but stooopid sonographer gave it away despite me specifically sying didn't want to know!

No idea on names yet

GTbaby Thu 18-Apr-13 02:03:16

Hello all. I vanished at end February as I went to India for a month grin
After I got bk been so sick hmm
First got food poisoning. (Even more) Puking and to add the runs .
As I recover DH gets an awful cold EXTREMELY bad cough. Up all night hacking up flem. Yuk. Finally he recovers. N not I have it. Only prob is my coughing fits trigger off puking fits hmm. So sore throat from puking n coughing. So I've come to my mums to have my 6month old LO looked after as I'm in no state.
Sucks as you can't really take much.

Anyway enough about me.
Haven't caught up on whole thread. But noticed a few posts about starting maternity leave.

My LO was due 1st nov. I was set to go on mat leave at 38 weeks. I though this would be fine as I've had summer holidays off. So wont be hard. FOR ME. 38 was to late. I think it was at 34ishweek midwife appointment I broke down in tears as I was so exhausted. This freaked DH out as well. As he didn't realise I was struggling.
I then did week 35 part time (dr wrote a note for reduced hours so school didn't reduce my pay- very lucky here as legally they could mk me start maternity pay early. But being a head of dept they wanted me to wrap up n hand over properlly) week 36 I did full week (but was a light timetable week anyway)
Started mat leave at 37 weeks. Friday last day. Saturday morning was in hospital. shock Told they would monitor me all week and induce as soon as I hit 38 weeks.

I was exhausted. As sleep just doesn't happen last few months. I had SPd. So walking etc was such hard work. Talking to a class for more then a few minutes on a not snouty but loud voice would leave me breathless. Walking around the room just couldn't happen due to SPd. Was dehydrated which can reduce fetal movement and freak you out.

Teacher friends told me 38 weeks was leaving it late. Non teacher friends kept telling me they worked till due dates. Teaching does take it out of you (For me). This time I will leave earlier if I can.

Really hope I haven't put a downer on things. But I wish someone had told me how hard they found the last few weeks as I thought everyone had a great time. Maybe then I would have taken it easier earlier rather then breaking down with mw.

Ps I just fed my LO. And enjoyed a 5 min cuddle with him. All that shit n pain is worth it!

Haylebop12 Thu 18-Apr-13 08:18:29

Dh is also one that won't come up with any sensible ideas. Except daisy but that clashes with our surname.
Dd is insisting on Matilda got a girl and tommy for a boy (as in Tom and Jerry)
My front runners are Harriet or Lydia and max. I'm not doing very well :-/

Dd is Amelia so looking for something that "goes"

Claphammama Thu 18-Apr-13 08:25:30

Lydia is also on my list but the other half not keen! I do hope we will reach some sort of agreement once we know the sex... have about 20 names for each sex right now...

Umlauf Thu 18-Apr-13 08:39:56

hayle I love your names! Harriet was always going to be by baby name when I was little, my doll was Harriet. My guinea pig is Daisy so I'd say you both have very good taste! My first thought for something that goes with Amelia is Lily but then I realised it was because of the X factor contestant!

I'm set on Albert/Bertie for a boy but struggling with girls. I love Edie (Edith) but they won't be able to say it in Spain, and Miren (which sounds so much better in Spain than in England. I have a long list but these are the only 2 my DH doesn't dramatically recoil in horror at.

So am I right in thinking we have a boy and a girl confirmed already in the group? Nice and balanced! How exciting! On phone so can't namecheck, but do you feel any different now you know the sex?

Umlauf Thu 18-Apr-13 08:40:45

Ps. I only have 8 weeks left of work! But its bad news really as I won't be paid after. My term finishes on June 15th.

Haylebop12 Thu 18-Apr-13 09:05:57

umlauf dunno you should say lily as, despite its popularity, is a favorite of mine, dh hates it! Love Edie and Miren smile

I'm not overly fussed about how popular a name is. Generally stick to outside the top ten but within the top 100. Dd's name was number 11 in 2009 when we used it but how it's number one which is a little annoying!

Haylebop12 Thu 18-Apr-13 09:06:47

Funny not dunno*

cazboldy Thu 18-Apr-13 09:30:09

Umlauf DH wants Albert/ Bertie..... our surnmae begins with a b, and bertie sounds ok with it, and albert is traditional enough to go with out other boy's names
(James, Harry and Charlie) but I'm not so sure about it..... I quite like Daniel - but dh not keen. Ds3 wants Tom/Tommy but i know a little monster with that name........

Is that a problem for all you teachers? Do certain names get a no because of horror children that you know? grin

having a bit of a hellish week really

poorly dog (with not good prospects sad

decorating

ds3 had a sick bug, and I'm normally ok with sick but I was sick every time he was!

on the plus side I feel so much better! loads of energy......

Warlin Thu 18-Apr-13 10:10:15

GT babY sorry your're having a rough time. Hope you feel better soon. I was the same as you in that I finished work on the Friday (37 weeks) and waters broke 2 hours later and induced next day! Will be leaving it this late again though as I loved keeping my maternity for when the baby was born. That said, \i'm not on my feet all day at work so prob easier to cope with.

We can't agree on names at all this time. Last time we agreed at 8 weeks! For a boy I really like Henry and Arthur and we are both convinced it is another boy. DH hates both so I keep referring to bump/ scan photos etc as Henry or Arthur in the hope he gets used to them smile Doubt it though! Jessica is the only name we both like for a girl so we would prob go with that. That's why I like to know the sex so that we can pick a name and start using it!

I'm feeling better again thankfully. The extreme tiredness phase seems to have passed and I can now keep my eyes open in work and stay up beyond 9.30! Hoping it stays like this. I'm 16 weeks today so fingers crossed the early horrible stage has passed!

DS is now mobile and crawling around. Making me realise what a potential death trap my house is!

cazboldy sorry about your dog. It's what every pet owner dreads. Is the prognosis not good. Hope you're ok..heartbreaking flowers

cazboldy Thu 18-Apr-13 10:18:50

Warlin - no not good. She has a slipped disc, and is paralysed from half way down her back - she can't even wag her tail sad

Vet said 3 options. Very expensive spinal surgery (thousands) which might not work anyway (and she is 8 and a half)

Put her to sleep

or nurse her and give her rest at home with anti inflammatories and hope for an improvement ( he has only seen 2 improve in his career )

which is what we are doing - but it is very hard - though she is in no pain. Only plus side is I think it is giving the dc time to get used to the idea of losing her.

It's just so shit! she is such a lovely dog, and can't imagine her not being here anymore.

roofio87 Thu 18-Apr-13 10:25:15

Aww caz sorry about your dog x

our name choices are a little unusual. we both love Hunter for a boy and stuck between Sadie and Aria for a girl!!

1wilma1 Thu 18-Apr-13 10:35:05

Hi can I join you all? I've been following your posts for a few weeks but have been waiting for my first scan before introducing myself, I can't wait any longer though! I'm 14 weeks today and due on the 17th October with my 5th child. There has been a bit of a baby boom in my local area and over 90 ladies have needed their 12 week scan this month so the ultrasound dept has been struggling to fit us all so my first scan is tomorrow when I'll be 14+1.
I can't shake the idea that I might be having twins, I'm sure I'm just being paranoid as there is no history in my family of twins but I feel so much bigger this time than on any of my previous pregnancies, I'm sure I felt flutters yesterday too and I was always between 18-20 weeks before feeling movement before. I can feel the top of my uterus about an inch or two below my belly button and I'm sure it should only just have risen above my pubic bone by now? It is my fifth pregnancy though so I suppose it's entirely possible that my muscle tone is so slack that I'm bound to look bigger earlier. Can any of you ladies humor me though and tell me if you can feel the top of your uterus yet and how high it is?

Natalieand Thu 18-Apr-13 10:55:01

Welcome wilma when I saw midwife on Friday at 13+4 she tried to listen to baby's heart beat and pre warned it would be unlikely she would hear it as baby is still in the pelvis so u are correct!!

Loving the name talk :-) our dd is called honey so we are looking for something unusual to go along with that, but not rediculous oh un usual for a girl in quite liking names like, willow, lottie, lilah, Lola, mollie and belle and for boys there's a few I'm toying with the idea of but not mad about, Connor, Jacob, Lewie.

Last night I had two dreams first was about a scan where they told me it was a girl then I had a second dream where I had a scan cos the baby had a heart condition and they told me it was a girl too, anyone else having weird dreams?

Currently on te sofa with blankets and paracetamol for a terrible migraine it's starting to make my neck hurt!!

Good luck to n e one with appts/scans today. We'll be starting the 20 week scans before we no it! Xxxx

Hi Wilma I'm on my fifth pregnancy too and like you am due on the 17th and feel massive. I'm usually a size 10 but can't even get my size 12 "fat jeans" zipped up so have had to resort to the old hair band trick.

Flyer747 Thu 18-Apr-13 11:20:54

Oh cazboldy really sorry to hear about your pooch....everytime we've had sad news about one of our pets it has totally made me such a blubbering mess...my heart goes out to you....fingers crossed your dog is one of the ones who will make a fully recovery on the anti inflammatory tablets. My cat got run over quite a few years ago, the vets told me his outcome didn't look good and he would at best get away with a leg amputated, anyway Archie the cat made a full recovery and is currently the fattest most pampered cat I know...with 4 legs still intact x

JellyCurls Thu 18-Apr-13 11:28:02

Welcome Wilma

Caz sorry to hear about your dog

I can't stop eating today, there is no filling my tummy at all. Other than that, exhaustion and a head of hair that is resembling a cross between a lions mane and a bad eighties perm I am fine. My curls are out of control just now must be all the hormones, anybody else's hair taken on a doubling in size and body exercise?

Shootingstarsandcomets Thu 18-Apr-13 11:52:29

So sorry to hear bad doggy news caz hope there is some improvement soon.
I am starving too jelly but sadly do not have luscious hair. My hair is horribly thin and I couldn't wait for it to thicken and bounce last time I was pregnant but it never did sad
No names here. I love Arthur but have a friend called Arthur so can't really use it. Also love Albert (Bertie) but DH said no to that last time. Girls names I have no clue at all there are too many lovely ones. We didnt decide with ds until the last minute so expect we will be the same this time around.

Pets really do become like one of your children don't they? I'm thinkinking of you
caz.
We've not thought too much about names as we don't know how the pregnancy is going to progress but Dp wants to name a boy David after himself. My brother is also David and I think its a bit weird wanting to name a child after yourself. I've said it can go in the middle.
He wants to name whirl after both his mother and late Grandmother. His mum is Alice (though I've recently discovered that's actually her middle name which she uses instead of her Christian name Beryl, no wonder she changed it) His Gran wad Katherine which is a bit old fashioned so I've suggested the Gaelic variation of Catriona but few people know how to pronounce it properly which would grate on me a bit.

Just back from 16 week appointment and got to hear heartbeat, so exciting! Midwife also said she could hear baby kicking. 16+3 today and uterus is really high, nearly at my belly button. Bit worried about having a big 'un - DS was 8lb 6 which i know isnt huge, but fairly weighty for a first.

Hope everyone is well today

SeriousStuff Thu 18-Apr-13 12:49:03

Oh Caz that' such sad news and an awful decision to be faced with. My dog is nearly three and I already dread the day we have to say goodbye to him. I'm not one of these owners who pampers their pets and treats them like a child, but he is such a great companion - he always understands my moods and is very playful. I can't wait for the baby to meet and fall in love with him like we have.

Here's hoping for a rare but possible recovery.

SeriousStuff Thu 18-Apr-13 12:51:27

Right, I'm procrastinating here (really should be working!) but just for fun, are any of you already convinced by the sex of your baby?

I'm absolutely certain that ours is a boy - every time I refer to it, I think boy, or when I think of buying clothes and toys, I think boy. I don't know why! I'm from a family of mainly girls so maybe it's wishful thinking!

Yesterday, we decided on names (I know!) and I picked the boy's first. The girl name was an afterthought...

roxvox Thu 18-Apr-13 12:57:36

Afternoon all,

Sorry to hear about your dog caz. I hope he becomes one of the '3' dogs that the vet can refer to in the future.

Congrats bowlfull. I could hear my baby kicking too and we think we may have heard a hiccup (it was a quick, sharp thud). DH couldn't come to the appointment so I asked the midwife if I could record it on my phone, and she was more than happy to let me do so!

DH seems pretty adamant now that he doesn't want to find out the sex. At first I thought I would be able to swing him around again, then I got angry that some random person could influence him so heavily over a decision we had already made together, and now I am coming around to the idea of not finding out.
Trying to reason with him as to why I want to know the sex has proved difficult and, unsurprisingly, 'because I just do' hasn't really had much power and after much debate I am starting to think that it might be quite nice to leave it until he/she is born. I am still not convinced though so if anyone has any advice to offer on either option then I would love to hear it!

As for names, we have a few that we have decided to keep secret from our friends and families. I think that, regardless of whether we find out the sex or not, we will aim to give birth with a couple of name ideas in mind, and then narrow it down once we have a baby in our arms. There are loads of boy names I like, but some of them have been 'used' by cousins so I wouldn't want to copy them... For instance I love the name Ethan but my cousin has named his son that. As for girl names, we are struggling a bit more but have some ideas in mind.

roofio87 Thu 18-Apr-13 12:58:21

I think we're having a girl,again for no real reason but I did myself thinking of the baby as a she. I really don't mind either way so defo want to find out because I'm worried I'll feel disappointed if its a boy if though I won't be!!

Haylebop12 Thu 18-Apr-13 13:02:10

serious convinced I'm having a girl and even have a certainty that she will be 8lb 1oz.

I've decided that on the name front I'm going to give dh a piece of paper, and ill have one. We have to write our top 3 names down. If any match then they have to be considered seriously,

MoN my dh is David too. I think he quite like David as a mn but my first name suggestions don't flow to well with it really.

I think I'd like to go for an unusual Gaelic name but one that's not too difficult to pronounce. My 3 girls all have quite unusual names. My two youngest have Kurdish and Moroccan fathers so I took names from those cultures.
You're realising now why I'm called MotherOfNations grin

I already have an Olivia and Eleanor I like Amelia for a girl and Edward for a boy (or maybe Harrison) currently working on DH who would like a family name for a boy and is suggesting Walter! (not really sure it goes!) I didn't really consider popularity when I chose Olivia and although it was no1 I only know a few (1 other in her school) I think a names popularity depends greatly on the area.

Haylebop12 Thu 18-Apr-13 13:34:28

blondies I love Olivia and that with Eleanor definitely go with Amelia (which I also, although biased obv, love).

Finding boys names a lot harder!

cherrycherry41 Thu 18-Apr-13 13:34:33

Im definately expecting another HUGE baby, 10lb 11oz was the last one... 95% certain i shall be having an ELCS this time!
Totally convinced this one is a boy, no reason really. I thought last one was a girl and i was right so who knows wink
Names-wise, we had a surprise last time so prepared a boys name and a girls name. Picked Savannah Grace for a girl (which we used!) and Archer for a boy (Archie for short). Think that is pretty much the boys name this time also. So far for girls we like Violette, Lavinia, Aurora, Autumn, Lydia and Persephone. Think we are ditching Persephone and Aurora as we've had alot of hmm reactions and id rather not deal with it.
16 week appt on monday, hoping to hear a nice heartbeat! smile

Warlin Thu 18-Apr-13 13:34:35

caz so sorry about your dog. Have you insurance as they would cover surgery? A slipped disk in humans is repairable so hope they can do something for him/ her. I lost may 13 year old balck lab a few years and it took me a long time to get over her. We then got a new labrador puppy who is now two and my first baby! She is just one of the family and I dread the day that we have difficult decisions to make with her. Thinking of you and keeping everything crossed for some improvement. DH wants a cat too but it's not really a good time....maybe when the babies are a bit older. I really hope my kids are big animal lovers as I am. It's so cute already that ds1 just loves the dog, even though he's only 10 months.

Welcome Wilma and congrats! 5 kids...wow!

Natalie I have had horrible dreams the last 2 nights about DH cheating on me. My friend in work was due to come back from mat leave last week and she has just found out her husband has been cheating on her the whole way through her pregnancy until now (baby is 7 months). She is distraught obviously and has kicked him out. I trust my husband 100% but I think the shock and she has been on my mind so much is obviously making for uncomfortable dreams..arghh! How horrific....what type of guy would do that shock

Smitten1981 Thu 18-Apr-13 13:57:37

Right, waterproof mascara is on, make up done just started getting ready for my CVS this afternoon. I'm trying not to overthink things and just go with it.

Hopefully next week this time I can join back in with all the baby discussions.

Thanks for all your kind words over the past few days. I'll keep you updated.

SeriousStuff Thu 18-Apr-13 14:00:32

Good luck Smitten let us know how you get on

Thinking of you smitten I hope it goes as smoothly as it can flowers

Bless you Smitten all of us have our fingers and toes crossed for you, hope u have lots of people to take care of u after xx

roxvox Thu 18-Apr-13 14:16:28

Good luck Smitten, I hope all goes well for you xx

Natalieand Thu 18-Apr-13 14:26:29

Best of luck smitten hopefully they get the results to u ASAP! Xxxx

caz sorry about your doggy, hopefully things work out for him it's so hard isn't it Cos they really are a part of the family xx

Flyer747 Thu 18-Apr-13 14:30:12

All the best smitten i hope everything goes well for you both xx

Best of luck smitten.

Claphammama Thu 18-Apr-13 14:39:07

best of luck smitten!

Wickedgirl Thu 18-Apr-13 14:57:06

Good luck smitten, I hope it all goes well for you

Wickedgirl Thu 18-Apr-13 14:59:24

Wilma..... I am 15 weeks with baby 4 and my uterus is just under my belly button too. Maybe you just grow quicker the more children you have?

If this ones a girl, we have Amelie, Lumen or Eva. For a boy we have Theo, William or Leo

pinkbuttons Thu 18-Apr-13 15:17:55

Thinking of you smitten Wishing you the best of luck xx

We really struggle with boys names, I love Ds's name and finding it hard to think of a name that I would like as much, but not sure if its just grown on me more now hes here. Girls name we ae sorted as it is the name we were going to call DS if he was a girl. I love Noah and Oscar for a boy but DH doesnt like either sad

Soupqueen Thu 18-Apr-13 16:01:42

Hello all, I'm back in the land of the Internet! House move went smoothly, although goodness knows when we'll have unpacked all the boxes....

Smitten, I haven't had a chance to read back over the 15 pages I missed yet, but am guessing you're in a similar position to me. Sending you hugs and thoughts. Hope the CVS goes well and you get the all clear.

I was booked for CVS yesterday, but changed my mind. I think I panicked myself into it after hearing the news, being in the middle of moving house didn't help. I'm now booked in for an amnio on Monday 29 instead. I swither back and forth between being sure that everything is fine and alternatively trying to forget that I'm pregnant in case it all goes wrong.

Right, 15 pages of catching up!

Warlin Thu 18-Apr-13 16:25:13

Good luck smitten..hopefully by this stage it's all over and you are resting and being pampered. Keeping everything crossed for you xx

Welcome back soup, glad to hear that the move went well. Best of luck for the amnio.

Just found out from my boss that I got a nice payrise! Was pretty sure that it was going to be negligible as I told him I was preggers just before they were confirmed, so pretty chuffed! Good to know that employeers don't always look on pregnant women negatively.

Might have to go out and celebrate after that news and hearing heartbeat earlier.

legallyblond Thu 18-Apr-13 16:34:22

Hi Soup, glad the move was good. Totally understand the choice to go for amnio instead given the much lower risk. Still scary, of course, but glad you felt clearheaded and confident enough to decide. It'll be a long couple of weeks I expect, but actually, your odds are really good! I think maybe you and MoN are having it on the same day.

sisteroutlaw Thu 18-Apr-13 17:03:39

bowlfull good news on the payrise! I'm joining in again late in the thread (made a one-time appearance in the last one). I'm hoping for changes at work too so holding off telling until it is necessary - qualifying week or visible. I've put on 3-4kg so am chunkier but not exclusively round the middle so could hopefully blame it on Easter indulgence (had sonmany extra dinners) and all the liquids I'm downing!

When is everyone else telling work? Are you nervous? Apologies if covered earlier on!

Wickedgirl Thu 18-Apr-13 17:10:04

I told work......I work as a nanny so work 10.5 hour days. I felt they needed to know in case I was sick at work. I also need to be aware if any bugs the children pick up in case they could affect me too.

My bosses were shocked but pleased for me and have said that I can have their old baby stuff which will be really helpful.

I'm having mine on the 30th legally.

Smitten1981 Thu 18-Apr-13 17:24:33

Procedure all done. It didn't hurt so don't worry about it hurting MoN and Soup (I'm guessing the procedure is the same as an Amnio, they just stick the needle in a slightly different spot.

It was just a bit of an unpleasant experience but mainly because all the professionals in there seemed concerned which always puts me on edge.

Anyway, they got a good sample so fingers crossed they can get a result and I should hear by Wednesday. They showed me the heartbeat after the procedure too so that's good.

Just going to try and get on with things and not think too much about things until I get the results.

Some stories on the internet described it as marginally less painful than labour. Those people must have a very low pain threshold. I've heard the cvs is worst ad they have to pump the needle up and down to collect the cells.

Smitten1981 Thu 18-Apr-13 17:34:43

Not at all. They did an injection to numb the skin first and that just felt like any injection, a tiny bit stingy, but after that all I felt was a weird sensation.

I can't describe it exactly but maybe like a really gentle pinch and a weird pressure but absolutely no pain. DH said the needle they used was super thin too. Try not to worry.

ananikifo Thu 18-Apr-13 17:34:58

It's been just a few days since I posted but there's so much to reply to! I post on my phone so I can't see your posts while I'm typing. Sorry if I miss anyone.

Caz, I'm so sorry about your dog.

Smitten, good luck at the CVS.

JellyCurls, is that why my hair is such a thick curly mess these days? shock (ps is that the surprised smilie or is this:blush? They're not labelled on the app!)

I officially informed work this week. I find my risk assessment a bit amusing as I consider my job quite low-risk and all the adaptations seem to be that I can ask a colleague to help me if I need to, or take a break whenever I want. It may have been prudent to keep it a secret longer. I don't know. I don't care. If an internal job posting comes up I'll still apply for it and hope for the best. They've tried to ask how long I'll take off but I've only given them a vague answer as I don't know. They offer an option of equal payments throughout your mat leave (i.e. average of all the weeks of full pay, 50%, and smp) which I plan to take but it means I really need to be sure about how long I'm taking off.

I have felt better the last few days, less sick and more hungry. I hope it continues! (Fingers crossed)

I think I can feel the top of my uterus (13+2) and I think it moves depending on how full my bladder is. The sonographer last week aimed at an area about halfway between my belly button and top of my pubic hair, so it must go that high.

And to whoever said that teachers don't want to use names of certain kids they've had in their classes: if you work in healthcare, a lot of the old-fashioned names that are popular now remind me of elderly patients! I imagine tiny old ladies and men!

Shirehobbit Thu 18-Apr-13 17:35:23

Fingers crossed smitten

Sorry to hear about the poorly dog. It's nearly the first anniversary of the death of my beloved greyhound, and both me and DH still miss her terribly (though our younger collie-x is wonderful and still very much with us).

Someone asked about teachers avoiding certain names? I don't know about the other teachers on the bus, but it's definitely true for me! And as I've worked at a girls' school for the last 6 years, it has made choosing girls names really hard!

ananikifo Thu 18-Apr-13 17:38:11

Sorry cross-post. In glad the procedure went well and I hope you get good new when the results come in.

Flyer747 Thu 18-Apr-13 18:23:31

Smitten glad to hear the procedure went ok and hoping the results are positive next week.

For anyone considering maternity jeans, I bought two pairs of topshop Leigh maternity jeans today, really nice comfy and flattering as they are skinny leg...

NotYoMomma Thu 18-Apr-13 18:52:22

Fingers crossed Smitten xxx

I got my results from my scan/ bloods today in a letter. As soon as I realised what it was I was relieved it ha been. Letter rather than a call so I can only imagine what you are going through. I hope you get the results you want xxx

Names - names!!!! We can NOT agree!
Dh named dd 1 on the basis I would name the next time, now all I get is 'no, I hate it, would you give me to name my child something I hate?'

No I wouldn't but when that is your respond to every single name bar the one you like I seriously want to smack your face off the fridge.

I'm now waiting to fin out the sex before we embark on ww III sigh

NotYoMomma Thu 18-Apr-13 18:54:18

Shirehobbit - what are your names you avoid due to association ?

I could never have a Deborah (no offence to any Debbies on the bus!)

Glad it went ok smitten and fingers crossed for good news.
Welcome to the newbies and Caz sorry about your dog. I hope the anti inflammatories work.

Well today two children and one colleague asked me if I was having a baby! One of the children didnt ask in fact, he just told me that I was going to have a baby. Noone has ever asked me outright before. Clearly I am having a fat very pregnant looking day! I admitted it to the colleague as she knew i was hoping for children soon but told the kids I have just eaten too many Easter eggs and that they mustn't say that if someone is getting fatter as it might hurt their feelings. They then looked very sheepish and apologised. Hopefully they didn't notice my massive grin. I suppose they are at tummy height so notice it more? Or perhaps the parents have been gossiping.

Re teacher name associations, I have such a long list of vetoed names. Connor, Harry (several of those!) Reece (two of those as well!), James (again two), Lydia, Elliot, Tylor, Jordan, Daniel (three!), Jason ... The list goes on! I haven't included children from my current class just in case...

I have taught two lovely Poppys, two lovely Georgias, some nice Olivers Bens, and Joshuas.

I like Tom or possibly Charlie (christened Thomas/Charles) for a boy but have a huge list of girls names. Current favourites are Sophie and Amelie but DH likes but worried they sound too French. I think they are pretty mainstream. I will probably use Katherine usually shortened to Kate as a middle name if we have a girl as it is my mum's middle name and because I just like it. We won't be sharing potential names with anyone in real life before announcing our new baby in case they ruin them for us.

Shootingstarsandcomets Thu 18-Apr-13 19:38:50

Glad it went well smitten
I have no idea where my uterus is! I've had a prod but just feel squidgy. Have now doubt this baby will be a big one though ds was 7lb6 and he was one month early they out on most weight on the last few weeks so had he gone to 40weeks he would have been enormous and I dread to think what would have happened of he was late! In the end I had a cs so if this one is looking big I'll have another although would like a natural birth really as hated the cs and can't imagine not being able to pick up ds for 6 weeks once the new one is here.
I am pretty sure this one is another boy but not sure if its wishful thinking as ds is such a joy I just can't imagine having a girl although I'm sure it would be just as good.

Shirehobbit Thu 18-Apr-13 19:42:22

NotYoMomma the list is too long to start here wink but to summarise, I want to avoid the names that have been really popular in the girls during the last ten years (with massive apologies to those who have chosen these names, or like them). I have lost count of the number of Emilys, Amelias, Sophias, Rubys, Ambers, Freyas, Olivias that I have taught over the years, to name but a few. Funnily enough, no names are vetoed because of an association with a particular girl, though.

Haylebop12 Thu 18-Apr-13 19:43:44

shooting my dd was 7lb6 too at 37+5 and I do wonder how big she would have been if I'd have gone 40 weeks!

Shirehobbit Thu 18-Apr-13 19:45:16

What I would like is a name that can be shortened, though. Neither mine or DH's can be and I always wanted a name that could be; I liked friends' names that had a shortened version for friends/family and a longer, proper name.

NotYoMomma Thu 18-Apr-13 20:23:54

I know what you mean! This is why dh and I disagree!

He is very into popular names and begged that we call dd Sophie. I thought it was ok but a bit boring.
So now I actually have a Sophie.

Sophie's friends at playgroup all have names ending in 'ee' sound. Katie, Sophie, lacey, maisy, mollie etc...

So this time I have specifie it has to:
Be out of the top 25 (at least!)
End in an 'en' sound or an 'a' sound

It's so frustrating as all he can focus on is Lily and I'm like 'NO EE SOUNDS!!!'

I could swing for him. Plus our surname is horn, and he is quite fat, so they will get called Big Horn & lil' horn outs self

NotYoMomma Thu 18-Apr-13 20:25:38

breathe

I don't know if t is a twelve week thing but...
I am finding myself full of rage :/

Shirehobbit Thu 18-Apr-13 20:31:09

brew?

I'm with you on not ending in an ee sound too, as our surname ends in an ee sound and it just doesn't sound right, if that makes sense.

Been a while since I last posted, being back at work has been more exhausting than I thought! So much to reply to, but I'm forgetting already so apologies if I miss you, I have been reading along though.

Sorry to hear about your dog Caz I haven't had a pet since our cat ran away when I was small, but DP occasionally says he wants a dog for companionship- I talk too much hmm Hope your doggie is one of the special ones.

Glad your procedure wasn't too painful Smitten and fx for some good results. Also keeping fx for mon and soup

Bowlfullofjelly congratulations on the pay rise smile

I've been contacted by H&S lady re risk assessment. I teach a written subject so no chemicals etc and I can't see it being ok for me to leave the classroom for a rest. I've told my students this week (14+4 today) as it was getting a bit too difficult to hide. They were really excited, I've already had several requests to name my baby after them- fat chance! DP told me the name of someone's baby the other day and I sniggered because I thought of a v troubled young lady student. blush

I picked a girls name a while back, DP was hmm then this morning he tells me he likes it. We don't have a boys name. Hoping to have a short list before October and then decide when we see a face! I don't like ee names either Notyomomma although I have one! I like names ending in a/ah for girls, preferably 3 syllables. Strong shorter names for boys- I like biblical ones but a lot of those have been taken by cousins etc.

Has anyone seen the new Britax Affinity pushchair in the flesh?! Seems like we will have to go on a little journey to find one, I really like the look of it.

Natalieand Thu 18-Apr-13 21:02:48

Hehe funny u say that momma dd is called honey so her name ends is 'EE' when said out loud lol xxx

No offence to ee names!!!

Natalieand Thu 18-Apr-13 21:07:03

No offence taken lol, I didn't really consider n e thing like that when I named dd. dh just spotted the name honey in a name book and we fell in love with it instantly xx

Natalieand Thu 18-Apr-13 21:08:24

feminist I just googled the britax buggy looks very nice!!! But nope I haven't seen one in a shop xxx

NotYoMomma Thu 18-Apr-13 21:24:24

I hadn't considered it either until I found myself surrounded by 'ee's in playgroup lol - my own child included!

Takes [tea] gratefully

I'm quite nervous about labour this time as last time was very quick. Was good for me but I was pushing after 1.5 hours. First I knew about it was full on contractions every 2.5 minutes!

I'm seriously fearful of having a toilet baby or a bathroom floor baby this time! I need to chill out and not think about it ack!

Claphammama Thu 18-Apr-13 22:23:43

Lucky you NotYoMamma! I was induced and suffered from 4am to 1pm with almost no brakes between contractions and no pain relief apart from gas and air (they brainwashed me in NCT classes...) really hoping for an easier affair this time... would love a water birth. didn't work out last time. I can imagine your stress though. Perhaps there is a hotel in front of the hospital for the final two weeks? :-)

DP is now fed up and refusing to discuss names any longer... I can't stop thinking about it though. My little boy is Leonardo, Leo for short (Italian connections) although noone seems to be using the short version. It took me ages to choose it then. I want something similar - longer and particular but something that can be shortened to something nice and simple.

Purplefan Thu 18-Apr-13 22:36:21

Hi, sorry to gatecrash your thread, but just wanted to give MoN a little encouragement with my own experience of large Nucal measurement (10.7mm) shock. I had a CVS which was very uncomfortable, not painful (however I felt very faint). Anyway, my little girl was diagnosed with Turners syndrome. I was monitored very closely throughout my pregancy and my gorgeous girl was born March 2011 weighing 5lb 3oz.
She is now 2 years old and is a right character, small (in 9-12 months clothes), but very strong willed!! grin. She is a little behind developmentally but she is amazing.
Anyway, just wanted to add a positive spin on having a large Nucal measurement. Good luck to all of you in your pregancies and especially to those having further tests.

Thanks so much Purplefan. I'm dreading a Turner's diagnosis but only because I've read that 99% of Turners babies don't survive the pregnancy. Is this really true?

Purplefan Thu 18-Apr-13 23:23:35

MoN we were told that 95% of TS girls are miscarried in the 1st trimester. The statistics change somewhat after the 1st trimester but are still not great. Having said that, we decided that although statistics were stacking against us, if she was strong enough be in the 5% to survive the 1st trimester then we had to give her that chance and if she was stong enough to be in the world, then she would survive.
It is always tricky, but after that initial scan where we had so much fluid and were told "your baby is incompatible with life" angry every scan showed the fluid reducing and then they kept a very close eye on her heart as heart problems are very common.

My consultant had been very positive. She was visibly shocked when I had a mad moment a couple of weeks ago and said I wanted to terminate without having a cvs or amnio. I'm not scared of having a baby with a disability. I'm scared of getting almost to term then having the baby die.

Great to hear a positive story with big NT measurement smile .

I told my head the children have started guessing and she has now told me to tell all staff, children and parents today rather than waiting until 16 weeks as she initially suggested. My secret will finally be out!

I still could get a call about downs risk after the combined test any time today which makes me a bit anxious about telling hundreds of people but I am just crossing my fingers that everything will be fine.

Natalieand Fri 19-Apr-13 07:22:58

Nice to see some support for mon from someone in a similar situation :-)

Seeing the consultant today, the same lady as last pregnancy I saw her at 15+1 last time and she scanned me in her consulting room so I am hoping she's feeling generous today and will do the same again :-)

Is anyone scanning today? Xxx

Haylebop12 Fri 19-Apr-13 07:51:37

Such a lovely story purple

Pay day was good today so I'm booking my gender scan! I'm 14+5 and can have it at 16wk. YAYYYYY!

Morning,

Thats such a good story purple and must bring you hope mon

hayle I am so excited about my scan Its tomorrow!!! I just wish it was in the morning not the evening, I am still pretty convinced its a baby girl in here grin

Claphammama Fri 19-Apr-13 09:44:42

how much does it cost girls? The sexing scan? Does anyone know London prices? And where do you book it? Still trying to decide how desperate I am to find out before my 20 weeks scan...

Claphammama I know its generally £80 but i got an offer for £37 I am doing it as DH is not going to make it to 20 week scan due to work xx

Mine is with babyscanning but i think they are just scotland you have Baby bond too they seem good I think they are in London xx

Haylebop12 Fri 19-Apr-13 09:55:31

Mines £79 with baby bond and they have a room in my local mothercare.

Www.ultrasound-direct.com and you can look for one near you.

You also get a 4d freeview and dd will get her own pic in a frame saying sister/brother or something like that.

Haylebop12 Fri 19-Apr-13 09:56:55

Had my early scan with them too and try are brill. Heard hb and answered any questions. The lady was really lovely and I didn't feel rushed like the NHS one.

Claphammama Fri 19-Apr-13 10:01:43

thanks all! it's cheaper than I thought. Might book it then. How far gone do you have to be? I'm 13+3 today

Haylebop12 Fri 19-Apr-13 10:07:32

16 weeks for gender one clap it tells you on the website what you can book when as you enter you due date.

I will be 17 weeks on Sunday so 16+6 tomorrow, I can't believe i am that far on time is flying by compared to the first trimester!

You've all been an amazing support. It seems mad but I couldn't have got this far and remained sane without you lovely bunch of strangers.

roofio87 Fri 19-Apr-13 10:44:36

yes purplefan lovely positive story and sounds like you have a lovely little girl, what a fighter!!
hope everyones appointments and scans coming up are good. I'd love a sexing scan but not worth the money for me so will just have to wait the 4 weeks (would get one though if nhs one can't tell me gender, happened to someone at work last week,baby in bad position!!)
I think maybe,just maybe, I felt baby move this morning. I'm 16 weeks today so maybe,but maybe a bit early still. woke up and after moving about a bit felt a fluttery feeling in the right area!! hope its the start of movements!! grin

Claphammama Fri 19-Apr-13 11:04:36

so exciting *roofio"! I can't wait!

GTbaby Fri 19-Apr-13 11:54:59

Orange is it policy in your school to tell parents? I don't know what it's like it primary...
I think I told my form (15/16 yr olds) at 20weeks , as I'd been off sick for a month and they were worried about what was wrong(no one knew I was preg during my sick leave). N then it filtered out to other kids.

I've messed up my downs scanning. I had my scan 2weeks ago. Then I didn't have time to wait for blood test so they told me come bk within a week. But I've had Food poisoning then really bad cold n puking hmm. Need to call today n see what else I can do.

Natalieand Fri 19-Apr-13 15:14:33

GTbaby In my area if for some reason u miss out on the NT around here they so bloods at 16 weeks and give u a risk factor for that so deffo worth enquiring about.

Saw the consultant today and she was so lovely and even gave me an extra little scan in her consulting room baby was facing the screen and she printed a pic as u could see its eye sockets lol couldn't see the sex baby was facing the wrong way around but it was nice to see the heart beating again :-)

U guys have inspired me and dh and I are googling to try find a good deal on sexing scans locally lol xx

Hope everyone is having a nice day x

roxvox Fri 19-Apr-13 15:42:40

Re bloods for down's syndrome risk, I had bloods taken at my 12 week scan, and again at my 16 week appointment. They will compare the hormone levels in the 2 and then give me a risk factor based on that. The annoying thing is that I was told that if I don't get a call within a week then I am low risk... so a week of phone watching!

Haylebop12 Fri 19-Apr-13 16:41:36

I had my bloods for downs screening yesterday, at 14+4. I will get a letter within two weeks.

Shirehobbit Fri 19-Apr-13 16:47:31

We decided not to screen for downs at all. Are we the only ones here who haven't?

Haylebop12 Fri 19-Apr-13 16:49:16

shire if it was purely my decision I would have declined tests. Obviously I have to take dh's thoughts and opinions into account hence why I've had it. I would fight my side not to terminate in the grounds of downs if he thinks we should.

roofio87 Fri 19-Apr-13 16:50:33

we didn't either shire, we decided that we wouldn't do any of the further tests anyway if it came back high risk so would rather not have the worry. its a bridge we will cross if we have to after the birth!!

ananikifo Fri 19-Apr-13 16:52:37

We also opted out of the Down's screening. We wouldn't have terminated so didn't see the point.

roxvox Fri 19-Apr-13 16:53:44

Shire we had the test, not so we could terminate if it was a bad result, but so we could prepare for it if our chances were high. Neither me nor DH have encountered many people with Down's Syndrome, and to be honest I don't think either of us know much about it, so it would be a case of learning more about it and preparing for the potential chance of a baby with Down's Syndrome.

Shirehobbit I opted out of the screening as I have with all my pregnancies but the sonographer said the nuchal measurement was so big they had to tell me.

We opted out as well, as didn't want to be in the position that some of you ladies are in of waiting nervously for results or making decisions about additional screenings. DP and I are both one the same page which helps a lot I think.

Off current topic, but can I do a random AIBU? It was DP's birthday on Wednesday - we had nice dinner etc on the day. We were due to be having people round tonight for drinks, but DP cancelled yesterday as had leak in bathroom, so no light, so have to use toilet with door wide open. I'm secretly happy about this as as much a I love our friends, I would much rather sit in PJ's with belly hanging out watching masterchef than entertain and watch them all get drunk. He now wants to invite them again (light fixed last night). AIBU to tell him to sod off down the pub to celebrate his B-day? Or shall I suck it up?

Smitten1981 Fri 19-Apr-13 17:14:34

Bowlfull. I'm sure he wouldn't mind going to the pub if you said you weren't up for entertaining. I'm sure your friends won't mind either.

We opted in for the testing, mainly because we didn't think for a second it would flag anything up, but also because we knew we couldn't carry on with the pregnancy if the baby did have one of the conditions.

I have to be honest, neither me or DH feel that we would cope with a child with DS or the other conditions. I wish we were the kind of people that could, but it really isn't an option for us. I'm glad we discussed things before we got the NT results as we are both on the same page and that makes things a tiny bit easier to deal with.

Jelly if he hasn't yet re invited them they will be none the wiser. Good to have it somewhere else so you can come home when you like. Although I prefer having people at our house so. I don't have to travel.

gT baby yes school always tells parents. Because children have just one class teacher I suppose the parents get more anxious about who will be taking over their child's class and that sort of thing which they don't in secondary. Also parents see me at the door twice a day so there won't be any hiding it! The office want to write letters to send on Thursday when other letters go home so didn't get outed today in the end!

Rushed home to see if I had any phone messages as should have heard within 48 hours If any problems with the screening but no calls so am hoping that means everything is ok. We said yes to the tests for the same reason as roxvox to prepare ourselves for a baby with downs syndrome if it was likely rather than to go for extra tests/termination. Although I suppose we don't know what we would think if the situation arose.

When do you get your results smitten?

Shirehobbit Fri 19-Apr-13 17:31:03

My school won't announce to the kids/parents until my cover is appointed because of how twitchy they can be. The Head sees it better presented as a done deal, I guess. Interviews for my post will be in the 2nd week of May, but we have a big parental social occasion the week before, which might be a camouflage challenge hmm!

Thanks for all the honest responses about downs testing. Still crossing everything for those in that agonising waiting period.

Smitten1981 Fri 19-Apr-13 17:31:06

Wednesday at the latest. The stupid weekend gets in the way of the three day results thing. Boo.

Shirehobbit Fri 19-Apr-13 17:33:24

Bowl FWIW I'd feel the same way and send him to the pub. Baggy clothes and Masterchef all the way for me tonight.
We know how to rock a Friday evening wink

My replacement has already been appointed, the GTP student I had last term. I told the head the day they were interviewing for another post so they just gave two people a job instead of one.

sad for the long wait smitten - hope you are doing something nice at the weekend to try and distract yourself.

And yes shire, I am very boring, and entirely comfortable with that wink. May even treat myself to some Haribo! hehe

Smitten1981 Fri 19-Apr-13 17:58:15

That's SO funny. DH has just come back from work with two bags of Haribo for me. We've munched one already.

Pork gelatine is good for a baby, right?

Claphammama Fri 19-Apr-13 17:58:39

Don't feel bad about opting out Jelly! These are the last months you can do whatever you want and get some rest. And it's honestly no fun watching people get drunk when you are super sober.

Plus, nothing comes between me and Masterchef!

By the way, does anyone else crave a nice glass of rose tonight...?? Sheer torture... a nice chilled glass of rose on a spring Friday night... I'm sure DP will have one just to torment me

smitten don't feel bad - I was thinking about it before my tests and I honestly don't know what I would do if our tests were bad... as a mother already I would find it very very hard to terminate... but I don't know if I would be strong enough to go ahead with the pregnancy knowing and also worrying about the quality of life this child would have. I admire people who do it. Don't feel bad - it's a massive thing

Shirehobbit Fri 19-Apr-13 18:07:53

LOL @ Claphammama - DH has just walked in with a glass of rose grin

Haylebop12 Fri 19-Apr-13 18:19:47

clap that's all I've been craving. When I was getting rally dehydrated re thought of a cool crisp glass of rosé was so tempting! I think I would have one now and again but can't on these tablets.

Mmmm wine!

Natalieand Fri 19-Apr-13 18:24:39

jelly and smitten dh and I done the food shop today and brought some haribo must be something in the air lol.

smitten how annoying about the weekend making u wait longer for your results

On the drink front I'm not much of a drinker but like to drink at party's weddings etc just so happens my sister and my brother r getting married in August an September (not to each other) lol and on dh's side we have a 40th party to attend on June 1st. Isit just me or do occasions of drinking always crop up more often when u aren't allowed to drink?

Shirehobbit Fri 19-Apr-13 18:27:26

Tell me about it, Natalie - we have weddings of close friends in June, July, August and September this year! I'm actually quite apprehensive about what it's going to be like being the "sober one".

My consultant actually told me to go for a glass of wine with my friend after my last appointment. I always do what I'm told.

Soupqueen Fri 19-Apr-13 18:56:49

smitten, glad your test wasn't painful. Grr to the wait for results.

bowl, night on the sofa in front of master chef is definitely called for!

Re testing: obviously I didn't opt out. DH was keener than I but now I would always have it, despite the worry we're going through now. I had thought that it was just to test for Downs Syndrome (incidentally, we haven't decided yet what we'll do if we test positive for that), but there are other conditions that are tested for which have no prospect of life. I could not continue a pregnancy knowing that it would definitely end badly - I'd need to grieve, get on with my life and try again.

It's a very personal decision, there is no wrong and right approach, I just wanted to clarify that it's not just a test for Downs.

Shootingstarsandcomets Fri 19-Apr-13 19:23:47

I went to a wedding last year when 34 weeks I was massive but it was actually really fun. I had a little nap after the meal then came back down for a dance and went to bed at 9 nice and early but then I woke up and couldn't get back to sleep so wandered back down to the bar to find the stragglers who were all hilarious. Laughed at them until about 4am when everyone went to bed. And I loved getting up for breakfast and seeing everyone struggle with a hangover grin
Could also murder a glass of rose. I have actually had the odd drink and will at special occasions. Had a glass of champers last weekend for ds christening and next weekend am in Paris so would be rude not to indulge grin. I was so strict last time but second time round I'm a bit more relaxed about stuff but obviously not going to have more than one small glass a week or even every week at that.
Enjoy the weekend everyone and hope it goes quickly for you smitten. Ie got my booking in appointment with the midwife on Sunday- bit late!

Claphammama Fri 19-Apr-13 19:35:49

Likewise. Now that I've passed the 12 weeks mark I'm planning to allow myself a small glass of wine once a week. Small - not the pub size 250 ml monster. And only when I'm desperate. my GP neighbour says it's OK.

DP laughs saying that I'm a cheap date now. So bought an expensive handbag today to put him straight. I don't like to mislead people and would hate him to get some wrong ideas... :-)

Hope it will compensate for the wine-less Friday night, after a nasty week at work.

Flyer747 Fri 19-Apr-13 19:38:01

I really wanted a glass of wine last night as I went for a Thai meal with friends it was lush....I could drink the bottle though, but I didn't just had a small glass...DP and I are out for Spanish Tapas tonight it's gonna kill me not being able to have a glass of Rioja with the tapas....will have a sniff on his glass and get high on the fumes instead.

Enjoy the weekend ladies xx

JellyCurls Fri 19-Apr-13 20:13:14

MoN if this was Facebook I would have liked your comment.

We didn't have tests but will be sleepless before 20wk scan in case baby has same condition as dc1

I'm always wishing for a like button on here. I suppose if the worst happens you'll know what to expect jellycurls.

JellyCurls Fri 19-Apr-13 20:18:48

I dread the 20wk scan MoN but nothing can be as bad as what we went through before. Us mums are strong and can get through anything.

Whoever mentioned Rose wine is bad, now I really want a glass but I don't even like the stuff

Claphammama Fri 19-Apr-13 20:20:05

sorry!!!!

Even if my amnio comes back clear I'll still have the agonising wait for the scan too to check for other defects. Chances are there will be something wrong.
I craved tuna in my first 3 pregnancies even though I can't stand the stuff normally.

Natalieand Fri 19-Apr-13 20:54:44

Lol jelly and MON I too often wish for a like button on here!

jelly I'm not sure if u said before or if I missed but what was the complication with ds at the twenty week scan? Xx

roxvox Fri 19-Apr-13 21:01:05

Speaking of cravings, has anyone had any yet? I could pretty much eat KFC at any time of day, but I am not sure that's really a pregnancy craving!

JellyCurls Fri 19-Apr-13 21:06:11

natalie at 20wk scan they discovered that babies brain hadn't developed properly and bits were missing. Also problems with spinal chord and heart.

DC1 is now a very healthy, very chatty 6 yr old who has problems but is doing better than they ever said she would.

Natalieand Fri 19-Apr-13 21:12:52

Aww sorry about that jelly didn't mean to be in sensitive xxx

That's good news tho that dc1 is thriving :-) I guess ppl often think once they are past the 12 week screening everything is safe but obviously that's not always the case xxx

JellyCurls Fri 19-Apr-13 21:37:45

Don't worry natalie I love talking about DC1 she is our own little miracle and makes us proud every single day grin.

Shirehobbit Fri 19-Apr-13 21:45:06

Now that last post super deserves a <like> Jellycurls

Smitten1981 Fri 19-Apr-13 22:06:52

Going on a bit of a rant here but at no point has my midwife, or any of the other professionals I have seen for that matter, mentioned that the test is for anything other than Down's.

The only reason I even have a clue about any of the other conditions they do the test for is purely from this thread.

I'm really not happy with the standard of communication from my hospital. The form I was given yesterday said I had decided to have a CVS after counselling. All I got was a phonecall and was told to look at a website. No option of counselling was even given.

If we get the all clear I'll be switching hospitals ASAP.

Claphammama Fri 19-Apr-13 22:35:12

this sounds awful smitten. do you have other good hospitals near you?

Purplefan Fri 19-Apr-13 22:38:08

MoN will keep an eye out for your outcome, but feel free to contact me personally if you get a result of ts or just want to chat things through. That goes for anyone else in the same position. I have been there. Will leave you all to your cravings and rock and roll evenings lol x

Smitten1981 Fri 19-Apr-13 22:41:03

Yes, I'm hoping if all goes well with the results to transfer to The Rosie, which is the maternity part of Addenbrookes in Cambridge.

I've already called them to ask if I can transfer and they said yes, I just need a referral from my GP.

They have a much better rep than the hospital I'm at now, downside is it's a 40 minute drive away.

GTbaby Sat 20-Apr-13 01:05:13

Smith. Someone on previous thread was a 20min helicopter journey away from her main hospital. Obviously need to get to helipad first as well. And there had to be clear skies for helicopter to fly. So don't worry about how far it is!

GTbaby Sat 20-Apr-13 01:05:42

That was to smitten!

HotSoupDumpling Sat 20-Apr-13 05:10:52

Sniffing the wine does help...I had a long sniff and little taste of an expensive wine recently, and it did help me feel a little less left out! (Am avoiding alcohol altogether as I was a super-lightweight even before being pregs).

Smitten, that is really frustrating. Generally I've learnt everything about pregnancy from Mumsnet and books, and hardly anything from the hospital, midwife or GP. They barely explained the purpose or nature of the combined test to me.

Smitten I too only learnt that the test could pick up heart conditions and other chromosome issues more serious than downs on this thread.

Sephy Sat 20-Apr-13 08:45:07

Smitten - my hospital is about an hour 20 away by car, though daytime public transport I could do it more like an hour! It's because of some other health issues that I've been advised to go there, but I am a bit nervous about how easy it will be when the time comes..,
No helicopter for me sadly smile

I hadnt really thought about the nervousness of 20 weeks scan either - I get the impression this whole first pregnancy thing is easing myself into a lifetime of worry about the baby!!

Smitten1981 Sat 20-Apr-13 08:56:21

I know. I was saying to DH last night that I don't know if I could have another and go through all this stress again. It's one worry after another.

I thought it'd be all "I love being pregnant", but to be honest I haven't liked it very much at all so far.

Natalieand Sat 20-Apr-13 08:58:14

I was a nervous wreck throug my first pregnant about what could go wrong I thought I would be fine this time round as I had been there done that but I'm just as nervous this time. Isit the same for u ladies on baby number 3,4,5,6 etc....

Morning grin

Scan day and I am so nervous i thought i would feel fine but no here are the nerves....Oh well wish me luck by 6pm I should know if I have a girl bump or a boy bump!!!!

Haylebop12 Sat 20-Apr-13 09:19:19

Oooh falcon exciting stuff! Good luck!

ananikifo Sat 20-Apr-13 09:26:39

Good luck falconmistress! I hope you have a nice time seeing and learning about your baby!

A colleague had twins and a high-risk pregnancy for other reasons and her main advice to me was to enjoy being pregnant. She feels like she missed out because she was so worried the whole time. I'm trying to follow her advice but as a natural worrier (even when nothing is actually wrong) it's not easy.

DH and I had a serious discussion about finances and I don't think we're doing NCT classes. We've been told the NHS ones are good in our area, we've already bought books, and we have better things to spend money on. It's disappointing but the right decision.

Our neighbours invited us to an NCT sale today but they didn't know it was an NCT sale. They thought it was just organised by their friend's local church. I tried to explain to them how I'd been able to look up the location and everything online, and what the NCT is, and why they would do sales, and I ended up feeling like a big geek who spends too much time on the Internet! Anyway even if we don't buy baby things there will be a cake stall so out time won't be wasted smile

I don't remember feeling very worried when pregnant with any of the others. I was told with my first at a growth scan that he was dangerously small and they'd have to induce me, even then I wasn't worried. I ended up needing an emergency section and he was born weighing 7lb 6oz so not small at all.
I think I instinctively knew he was fine.
I've been worried all the way through this pregnancy, like I was expecting something to be wrong. There must be something in the whole mother's instinct thing.

pinkmoonlight Sat 20-Apr-13 12:23:56

I worry about absolutely everything too, but I think that's just the way I am! Luckily, DH is much more chilled out than me and gives me a sense of perspective!

It's taken me ages to catch up on this thread- I've been a bit quiet because we had the joy of Ofsted on Thu and Fri this week! Which of course resulted in an emotional breakdown and I was violently sick 3 times before school on the Thursday! My head had to tell the inspectors that I'm pregnant and that he had given me permission to run out the room to be sick if needed! So glad it's all over and my own observations went brilliantly. Of course, I'm now worried about how stressed I was!

Am now sitting in the sunshine happy that for the first time in 2 years I am not living in fear of an imminent ofsted and can just relax and look forward to baby arriving! smile

Shootingstarsandcomets Sat 20-Apr-13 13:06:55

I am determined to enjoy this pregnancy after worrying through my last one. I was high risk because my waters broke at 25 weeks cue a week in hospital and doom and gloom from the doctors who have ds very bad odds of surviving if I went into labour. I leaked all the way up to 36 weeks when he was delivered by c section as they thought i was getting an infection. He was fine smile. I don't expect the same thing to happen as its pretty rare for waters to break so early so I'm just trying to enjoy myself and carry on as normal. My hospital is 1.5 hours away as I've opted to not use my local as I hated the way I was treated last time. Enjoy the sun everyone

Shirehobbit Sat 20-Apr-13 13:16:42

Congratulations on surviving OFSTED pinkmoonlight!
We're way overdue a visit, too.

Sanjifair Sat 20-Apr-13 15:39:59

Smitten, I had the choice of two hospitals and chose the Rosie. It is about 40 mins for me too, vs 30 mins for the other one.

Smitten1981 Sat 20-Apr-13 17:10:56

The other one wasn't Lister was it Sanji? What do you think of The Rosie?

cherrycherry41 Sat 20-Apr-13 17:15:51

Excited to hear back from falcon's scan..!

Sanjifair Sat 20-Apr-13 17:28:54

Smitten, no it wasn't the lister. I had good care at the Rosie last time. Was a difficult birth with complications but I have no issues with how it was handled. The midwives were lovely.

Hope the scan went well falcon. Excited to hear your news!

Pink well done on surviving the inspection. We are asking ofsted to come back in July as we got requires improvement in October but hmi came shortly afterwards and said we are good. They can trigger another ofsted apparently. I thought I wouldn't be there for the next one, boo.

I had to go shopping to return some maternity clothes I bought online from next (be aware you have to pay for postage again to return by post and only have 8 days, not the usual month to bring things back) so had a look at all the baby stuff in John Lewis. Bought a cushion to help me sleep better but holding off buying actual baby stuff until we have made room to store it. Got my fix though! Also picked up my bounty pack. Got a bath towel, sudocrem, a full bottle of moisturiser and some other little samples. The book comparing pushchairs, car seats, cots etc is useful too.

Sanjifair Sat 20-Apr-13 18:25:53

That's not quite right about next, orange blossom, you can have things delivered to a store, (no delivery charge) then try them on there and then, and give them back and get a refund if you don't want them. Also, even if you do get them delivered to your home, you can drop them off in store and get a refund there, so don't need to pay postage to send back.

Sanjifair Sat 20-Apr-13 18:27:14

Oops, just re read your post and you were returning them to store. Misunderstood, sorry!