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Graduated Elderberries (numero 3)

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BraveLilBear Tue 09-Apr-13 10:26:20

Welcome back oh graduated elderberries. Let us discuss the delights of being over-30 first-timers with google obsessions grin

BraveLilBear Tue 09-Apr-13 10:32:02

Where were we... oh yes, thanks for the invite Hazle can I get to yours without flying? wink

And a downside of transverse sections is the cut is a lot longer (for obvious reasons). But an ECV from transverse might well be more beneficial than from breech. They tried to turn my friend but they didn't do it properly so they ended up with a section a day or two later.

So much to worry about!

Cavort Tue 09-Apr-13 10:35:53

Oops, I just started a new thread. Everyone ignore it as I have no idea how to delete it !

Cavort Tue 09-Apr-13 10:39:17

Maybe I should try a head stand in the pool this weekend and see how many people I can see whispering to their partner, "What is that funny-shaped fat woman doing?" grin

I think I might just bury my head back in the sand for the next 7 or so weeks until it actually becomes a problem. Thinking about it makes my brain hurt.

janey1234 Tue 09-Apr-13 10:49:51

That video was horrendous cavort. Lordy. Argh. What have we all done?!!

Shall we all just nip over to hazle's for a swim and forget about the impending agony childbirth?!

HazleNutt Tue 09-Apr-13 10:51:27

Marking place!

Brave sure, will be a bit of a drive though.

janey yes, it would be a relief in a way if they said that I need a CS for medical reasons. Also no being overdue and induction options to worry about. I hate knives though..

Cavort Tue 09-Apr-13 10:54:24

I know Janey, I had to look away after about 20 seconds! The woman having it done didn't look too uncomfortable though.

Hazle, when you say you worry about being heavily pregnant in the heat of Summer, it must be some consolation that you can get in the pool when you get home from work. I can't imagine it ever being hot enough here to justify an outdoor pool envy

I had a colleague years ago whose baby was breech, she did all of this stuff, handstands in the swimming pool, acupuncture, ear candles, random burning Chinese herbs wafted at her bare feet...didn't make a jot of difference she had a section and was terribly upset as she wanted a 'natural' birth.
Personally, I don't give a flying fig if its natural or not, I want the safest, most pain free, quickest recovery without lasting damage birth I can have and I'm trying not to get too hung up over what that might be in case I don't get it. I'm putting water birth on my plan but with every understanding that this might not be what I get.

HazleNutt Tue 09-Apr-13 11:09:20

In a way, yes it is quite nice to have hot summers and the pool is a godsend. Especially when I'll be whale-sized anyway. But I'm having this baby in June, the hottest months are July and August and they don't recommend swimming for about 6 weeks after birth. We don't ahve AC at home. I'll die!

HazleNutt Tue 09-Apr-13 11:11:02

I'm just going to write on my birth plan that whatever I ask for during the labour, this is what I want and should be given.

Cavort Tue 09-Apr-13 11:15:08

They're quite pricey, but have you considered a portable A/C unit? I know someone who's got one and says it's really good, especially to get a good nights sleep in hot weather.

If by some miracle we get a hot Summer here I will certainly consider getting one or trying to hire one.

janey1234 Tue 09-Apr-13 11:23:46

Yes, I'm considering getting air con in the main room in the loft conversion. Ridiculous really given we don't even seem to have a summer anymore. However for those four nights a year it's unbearably stuffy in London it would be a godsend! Plus it doubles up as a heater, so in the middle of winter might be nice too. DP thinks I'm mad, but I just think it would be a lovely luxurious treat five times a year.

hazle my folks place in france is OK in the summer without air con due to the walls being about 50cm deep, and most of it being at ground level. Presuming your walls don't work in the same way? sad Is there any way you could set a bedroom up on the ground floor if it gets too unbearable at any point?

HazleNutt Tue 09-Apr-13 11:24:26

Yes we'll definitely have to get one for the bedroom, will be too hot for the baby otherwise as well.

HazleNutt Tue 09-Apr-13 11:27:18

janey our ground level is quite ok, upstairs gets hot, but the portable AC should help I hope. Where in France are your folks if you don't mind me asking?

janey1234 Tue 09-Apr-13 11:40:21

Of course I don't mind! It's in the dordogne (so quite a way from you!), just outside a village outside Bergerac. Is so remote, I absolutely love it there. Gutted I won't be going this year, have had some fab holidays there. Having said that, I'm (ambitiously?!) vaguely planning a hol out there in Sept/Oct if we can face travelling with a 3 month old. I love it there all year round, and have had some fantastic weather in the 'autumn' in the past.

Didn't know you couldn't swim for 6 weeks post birth. So much to learn!

HazleNutt Tue 09-Apr-13 11:44:25

Oh Dordogne is gorgeous. envy

janey1234 Tue 09-Apr-13 11:47:11

I can't quite remember where you are. Are you near the French/Swiss border? I have a very good friend who lives in Geneva and it's absolutely gorgeous there too if cripplingly expensive to visit her

BraveLilBear Tue 09-Apr-13 11:55:50

<wistfully remembering trips to Nyon and Lausanne>

Really rather jealous of Swiss existence. Although, my ex now lives there so I can live without being in the same country as him! One of the things I loved the most was how many ways you can say Geneva and it's on every signpost 3 or 4 times to accommodate the languages.

Although it has to be said the the French pronunciation outstrips the German somewhat!

envy I haven't had a holiday in ages, I'm deeply jealous of all your jet setting.
A courier just turned up at my door with a big bin bag of baby clothes I ordered from eBay, very exciting. I did realise after I'd signed for the package and walked back up the stairs past the mahoosive mirror in our hall that I looked pretty scary but I crawled back into my sick bed and thought sod it. So it's like Christmas, I have presents to unwrap! I did come to the conclusion yesterday that this poor baby won't be dressed in anything I've actually chosen because I like it until she's several months old. Everything is random eBay bundles or the few bits I got new were bought because they were 75% off in sainsbury's not because they were cute. I felt slightly sad for a nano second them thought by the time I'm stripping off the fifth baby grow she's puked down in a day I'm not going to care what pattern is on it anyway, I'll save the buying pretty clothes for when she's not exploding over them grin

HazleNutt Tue 09-Apr-13 12:23:29

I'm in Alsace, just a few minutes from both Swiss and German borders. It is quite nice here as well, mostly the architecture, towns like this:

Cavort Tue 09-Apr-13 12:27:31

I'm with you Purple, I'm not bothering with actual clothes until she's at least 6 months and will be sticking to bodysuits and babygrows covered in bodily fluids until then. We've been given some nice clothes which we can use if the Queen requests a meeting but none of them are particularly practical.

I also really like Switzerland, but possibly not as much as DH who decided Zurich is his ideal place to live if he hadn't accidentally had a child who lives here. I think he dreams of spending his Summer weekends doing watersports on the lake and his Winter weekends driving to nearby ski resorts. And working in IT there are loads of contracting jobs in Zurich, not to mention the lovely tax situation. A few years ago he was adamant we should move there for a few years before starting a family. I don't think I particularly helped when I said he should have kept it in his pants if he wanted freedom to up sticks grin

HazleNutt Tue 09-Apr-13 12:27:45

purple almost all babyclothes I've bought are ebay bundles. I'll get just one cute outfit for photos, but otherwise, as you say, it does not really matter, the baby won't care.

Cavort Tue 09-Apr-13 12:28:16

Oh that looks absolutely lovely Hazle envy

BraveLilBear Tue 09-Apr-13 12:57:12

Wow Hazle that's stunning. Reminds me of Mont St Michel in my youth (schooltrip aged 8 lol).

Baby really doesn't need a lot, certainly not cute clothes, but I have seen a few nice sets that I might drop hints about.

My mum did show me a cute yellow newborn size cardi she's satrted knitting the other day though. Would work for boy or girl and will be great for summer evenings for chucking over babygrow in case of visitors. Almost inspired me to pick up the needles myself!

Well aside from a few severely dodgy hand knitted creations (got to be a grandparent) my eBay bundle was a success. I think with the two bundles I've bought we'll have enough to be getting on with for a while though if it's a boy he's going to moan about his baby pictures when he's older because there is a LOT more pink involved in 2nd hand clothes than I would ever have chosen! It is amazing just how immaculate some of this 2nd hand stuff is though, either people buy far too much or they really do grow out of it faster than you would believe possible.
Your part of the world looks charming Hazle, I regularly tell my dog that she's French not German, whilst this might not strictly be true we like to think of her that way and everyone called them Alsatians not GSDs when I was a kid anyway!

janey1234 Tue 09-Apr-13 13:10:09

Oh hazle that looks bloody gorgeous. Bit different to pikey East London, where I live...

cavort you really made me laugh re meeting the queen. I'm assuming she'll want to meet all our new offspring, right? And not sure second hand babygrows or primark value pack sleepsuits will be appropriate. Better get outfit picking soon!

janey1234 Tue 09-Apr-13 13:35:45

Meanwhile I'm having a shocking day work-wise. A colleague just had an informal chat with me about the new restructure my boss told them he'd told me weeks ago. In short he hadn't. It goes live in around 8 weeks, just as I leave work. On the organogram I have dropped down a level to the be on the same line as people below me on the current organogram, and report into someone between me and my current boss. Loads of my responsibilities are changing, and I will now look after parts of people's jobs from two levels below me currently (one on new organogram). Given when my boss spoke to me three weeks ago about the restructure being a 'difficult conversation legally' but he said that he didn't want to give me a massive job, as I'm about to disappear for a year. I am thoroughly pissed off. Basically it seems that I'm getting a shit job in the restructure, and looks like I'm being demoted, because I'm pregnant. I'm furious as I've put is SO many years here and SO many hours above and beyond what I'm paid for, and for what?
I know I have rights, but I don't even know what I would get for constructive dismissal money wise, but I don't want to go for it as I need paying for the next 12 months, and I like the fact I have 12 years service behind me should they ever want to make me redundant. I just fear it will happen when I'm off as I will be overpaid for my role. And I want - and need - a bloody job to come back to!!

Shit Janey, that stinks!

HazleNutt Tue 09-Apr-13 14:00:18

Janey you genuinely believe it's because you're pregnant? It does sound like it, considering the "legally difficult" remark.
Honestly, I would talk to the boss, this is discrimination, pure and simple. Yes, you'll be away for a while, so what - not like you will lose all your skills and experience during this year. So they better have a good and not maternity leave related justification for this.

Sorry don't know English employment law that well, but I would hope they are not able to get rid of you while you're on mat leave?

janey1234 Tue 09-Apr-13 14:17:29

They can make you redundant, but the redundancy can't due to due to me being pregnant IYSWIM. But if they've managed me out of the job, by taking all my responsibilities away, I guess they can do it - say there isn't a role for me and therefore make me redundant (subject to usual laws of consultation and trying to find another role internally for me).
I'm waiting for him to bother to tell me all this. To be fair I wasn't in yesterday due to my Nan, but he told my colleague he'd talked me through it a couple of weeks ago. When he does talk to be I might be quite frank. Just hope that I don't have any hormone-driven sodding tears!

BraveLilBear Tue 09-Apr-13 14:30:01

Blimey Janey that's awful - and legally very dodgy. And obviously he knows that.

I thought that if any restructure involves changing roles and certainly levels they have to re-interview people (which would therefore leave you able to apply fpr a same-level job now). I'm pretty certain they won't be able to reduce your salary though, even if effectively being demoted.

Is there a chance that this has been misunderstood by your colleague who told you about it? Definitely arrange a meeting with him ASAP - and take a colleague/Union rep/HR rep with you if possible. A witness really wouldn't hurt...

Cavort Tue 09-Apr-13 14:39:08

Oh Janey, that is totally shit news.

It sounds to me like your boss is a bastard employers are skating on very thin ice legally to be doing this while you're pregnant. I'm no expert in employment law but I know you can make things very difficult for them, ie, take maternity leave at 29 weeks (before they have chance to restructure and take any responsibilities away), then they have to keep exactly the same job for you if you return within 6 months and have to offer an equivalent job on the same scale if you return within a year.

Maybe you could post on MN in Legal Matters for advice? There are bound to be some employement law solicitors hanging around.

janey1234 Tue 09-Apr-13 14:56:03

Good plan cavort - I might wait for the conversation (don't want to drop the colleague in it who told me!) and ask for advice. I also have a staff benefit of a legal helpline through work, could call and ask them. I just worry as so many employment tribunals are capped, and (luckily for me I guess) they don't in any way make up for my usual salary.

brave they won't touch salary I'm sure, just feel it makes me more vulnerable to redundancy in the future.

I guess I could accept a less senior job for the same money - I'm sure lots of people would like that - but then I remember how fucking hard I've worked to get to where I am, and it's certainly a bitter pill to swallow....

HazleNutt Tue 09-Apr-13 15:13:34

You should not be pushed on "mummy-track" unless you yourself want to! I agree, get some advice. Even if you have no intention to take any legal action, it's good to know your rights and let the employer know you do.

janey1234 Tue 09-Apr-13 15:22:32

Agreed hazle. I might decide I want a plodding job and give up pursuing promotions, but I think that should be up to ME and not them. Right now I can't imagine ever thinking that yes, I'm happy in my job, and have no intention of striving for the next step up.

I really feel for you Janey, it's just not the kind if thing you need to be worrying about right now, I've a strong feeling my entire team will be made redundant in the next year or so but it's not such a blow for me as it wouldn't seem as personal and I'm not a fan of my job anyway. We've already been through restructure after restructure and pay freezes etc so I do know how shit it can be. Hope you get some clarity on the situation soon.

That aside, I have a confession to make. I did a bad thing, not the sort of thing I would normally condone at all but it did make me chortle. I picked the most interesting knitted creation from my bag of eBay goodies and I...well I...I sort of dressed the kitten in it <shamefaced but sniggering> so I took a hasty picture and put in on my profile so you could all have a laugh as well. For her part, little cat took it quite stoically whereas evil cat would have left me looking like a Bond villain with an eye patch and metal hook where my fingers used to live grin wicked wicked cat Mummy, she does seem completely unbothered by this indignity and I have to say she doesn't show off that dress in all it's true glory as it rather suits her! (It looks much worse in real life)

janey1234 Tue 09-Apr-13 16:31:51

Purple - that is AWESOME and has totally cheered me up smile

Glad to be of service wink

Cavort Tue 09-Apr-13 16:39:53

Aww, I want a cat! That photo is so cute!

I am allergic to some cats though (no idea why some and not others) and DH hates cats with a passion so I can't see us getting one any time soon although if I could guarantee I wouldn't allergic to it I would just get one and DH would just have to put up with it. I would happily trade my good-for-nothing escape artist fence-ruining dog for one at the moment!

HazleNutt Tue 09-Apr-13 16:48:46

Oh what a good idea! Only trouble is that the one cat out of 3 I could actually dress without losing any body parts is about the size of an 1-year old baby, so newborn stuff probably would not fit.

BraveLilBear Tue 09-Apr-13 16:49:55

Cat+hamsters= Just a cat.

Will wait til there is nocat+nohamsters=cat

Even if kitty is cute wink

HazleNutt Tue 09-Apr-13 16:55:05

Cavort Siberian Forest Cats are supposed to be suitable for many people with cat allregies. Just saying..

Imagine one of those but tortoiseshell and that's a lot like what evil cat looks like, big, fluffy and petulant. And if you try to brush her bit fat fluffy ass she bites you.

Oh and Cavort, my OH claimed to hate cats as well but I was a package deal, he came with a surly teenage boy as part of the deal and I came with a mental dog and an evil cat. He hates cats so much he then let me get a kitten and he hates her so much that she regularly curls up on his knee and falls asleep and he lets her sleep under the duvet with us most nights. This supposed hatred that men have of cats seems to be remarkably easy to bypass wink

HazleNutt Tue 09-Apr-13 17:25:09

How appropriate - just read someone on a baby clothes thread saying that before buying anything, imagine dressing a cat in it. Meaning that if it's too complicated to get on a cat, it will be the same with a baby and it's probably not a good thing to buy.

Hm do you think it would be weird to get some diapers and practise changing them on cats as well? grin

Weird...nah not really, difficult? Definitely! Little cat has a habit of wrapping herself around you and enthusiastically gnawing on your arm while trying to disembowel you with her back legs when you tip her on her back. Still, could be good practice I suppose, a baby wriggling a little bit would seem tame in comparison!
So maybe by these criteria I should keep the sparkly red knitted dress? It was very easy to get on and off a cat, I'm not sure what it says for sleep suits though with all those poppers, even little cat wouldn't stand for that kind of treatment!
Nappies seem fairly straight forward from the demonstrations I've had to sit though a gazillion times but then that's on a doll not a cat so maybe it's more difficult on something that moves.

HazleNutt Tue 09-Apr-13 18:15:35

I put a few more photos of the zoo on my profile.

Alexandra6 Tue 09-Apr-13 19:32:37

Just catching up (had a bit of a scare last night and agonising stomach pains so was catching up on sleep and had to take the day off work, the pains have eased off now thank god) - purple I love your cat in that outfit, that's brilliant and cheered me up too! grin at practicing diaper changing on cats, I can imagine my cats unimpressed expression if I tried that! She tends to walk around with an 'I'm so superior and above all this' look on her face at the best of times!

janey I know we've spoken about it IRL but I liked cavorts suggestion of considering doing something like taking mat leave early before the restructure can happen.

Alexandra6 Tue 09-Apr-13 19:34:24

Ps hazle your dogs are gorgeous, are they golden retrievers? Always wanted one of those.

Cavort Tue 09-Apr-13 19:37:06

To all you dog owners, how long did your dog stay a loony puppy for before they calmed down into nice adult dogs? Our dog is nearly 9 months old and is a real handful at the moment. I assume it is the dog equivalent of the terrible twos because he's definitely become more boisterous then he used to be. I just walked him to my Dad's where my Step-Sis, BIL and their two kids are staying and he was so over-excited I couldn't even let him in the house because he was running around knocking the kids over.

Hazle your animals are all so cute! [pathetic gushing emoticon]

Siberian Forest Cat you say? Hmm, interesting....

HazleNutt Tue 09-Apr-13 19:45:46

Alex no, they are actually total mutts, an accident between my parents' Irish Setter and neighbour's mixed breed bitch (as in female dog, I'm sure she's perfectly nice).

Cavort according to google, labradors won't mature before they are about 3. Good luck! grin If seriously then I think around 1,5 or so ours calmed down a bit.

Alexandra6 Tue 09-Apr-13 19:50:35

BIL has for a black labrador that was very hyper but has calmed down recently, I think he's around 2 but will check. Came round for a meal the other day (with the owners!) and our cat was terrified and hid outside but the dog did behave well once he got over the initial excitement of being somewhere new.

My GSD calmed down a bit when she was 2 then again at 5 but that was with intensive training but she was a rescue dog so has always had...additional needs so she's still a nutter. The wolf? Well she's about 18 months and I'm still living in hope, she shows odd glimmers of sanity... Seriously though, the bigger the dog, the slower they mature. Labs do tend to be a bit nutty and enthusiastic so you have to be a bit patient with them!

Cavort Tue 09-Apr-13 21:58:50

Just the 2 years to go then before the dog calms down shock sad

I blame DH for our delinquent dog situation as he insisted on us getting a dog suitable for him to take out jogging, and he is conveniently in Scotland for a few days while I've had the pleasure of dealing with a Lab-sized hole in the fence and the embarrassment of him knocking my Niece and Nephew over like ten pin bowling pins. I knew we should have got a Budgie instead hmm

Oh I feel your pain I really do, I was happy with my special needs but old dog but no, OH wanted a bloody puppy and not just any bloody puppy bit a mental bloody wolf puppy. Sometimes I don't know how our relationship has survived this blasted dog! She didn't eat the fence but we found out she had been escaping by squeezing under the fence every day and disappearing, we has no idea until one of the neighbours told us because she was always there when we got home. I keep trying to remember how hard it was with my rescue dog in the early days and how it was all worth it in the end!

Alexandra6 Wed 10-Apr-13 07:36:56

Loved the pet pics yesterday so have uploaded a pic of my naughty tortie for you to see, she's sitting in a show box because she likes getting into boxes and bags - we often have to remove her from people's handbags when they come over!

Alexandra6 Wed 10-Apr-13 07:37:25

Shoe box even!

HazleNutt Wed 10-Apr-13 09:07:05

Looks like mine, just less evil. Our tortie absolutely loves DH, can tolerate the tiger cat and loathes everybody else. This morning was woken up again by her hissing and spitting at the Norwegian cat - we've had the latter for 2 years and the tortie still hates him.

Alexandra6 Wed 10-Apr-13 09:15:50

Oh no poor Norwegian cat! Did you see that thread on here about cats being able to sense pregnancy, silly right but now I secretly think maybe mine knows!!

Was just reading another thread about good ways to help dads (as in other halves) feel involved with the pregnancy/baby, some sweet replies but my favourite was "I let DH hold my hair back when I puke" grin

janey1234 Wed 10-Apr-13 09:23:38

alex - your shitty cat looks quite cute there wink

HazleNutt Wed 10-Apr-13 10:06:15

alex don't worry about him, he's twice the size of the others and quite often a bit rough with them when he wants to play.
Honestly, we raised the pets all the same but they have all such distinctive personalities. Makes me wonder if we can even make any difference with DS or he will grow up the same anyway?

BraveLilBear Wed 10-Apr-13 10:28:55

Oooh deep conversation call there Hazle wink nature-nurture.... fight! grin

Thing is parents always say they bring their kids up the same, but in reality, how can they?

My fave pet pics so far are snow cat and naughty tortie.

Cavort bit random this, but I just got a flashback to your tale of woe when you got your new pup and that ms episode in the garden... still makes me chuckle <apologies> can you look back on it fondly and laugh about it yet?

I had a fun night - fell asleep watching 24 downstairs with OH at 10. Dragged self to bed not long after. Could I sleep? Could I heck! Had a million things zooming round head and BB, who'd held off the usual daytime aerobics for much of the day, then went into over time.

Later, thought I was reaping the benefits of forcing encouraging OH to massage my bad hip <which was agony> until I woke in the middle of the night in agony again. Not sure if it's a trapped nerve thing or what as it makes my leg go sore all the way down to the ankle as well and nothing I do seems to relieve it - don't think it's restless legs either.

This only happens at night, and usually only on the right hand side. So weird.

So I didn't get much sleep at all. Least it meant I could get up and make OH some birthday breakfast at 6.15...

janey1234 Wed 10-Apr-13 10:32:58

Ah, cavort, even if you can't look back and laugh, I'm sure we are all doing the laughing for you...

brave - that sounds a little bit like my right leg a couple of weeks ago - which stopped hurting (in the middle of the day) as quickly as it started hurting. I'm sure it must be something to do with a nerve...?

Alexandra6 Wed 10-Apr-13 10:57:39

Just googled quickly as was curious and there are people saying the way the baby was lying was putting pressure on their sciatic nerve and causing pain down their legs, could be that maybe? Either way, sounds painful, hope yours stops hurting soon too brave

What was cavorts story, it must have been before my BFP time?

BraveLilBear Wed 10-Apr-13 12:29:02

I'll let Cavort elaborate if she wishes to re-live the moment wink

I have had sciatic problems before Alex and it's quite a different pain, also, it occurs on the outer hip ie I tend to lie on my left side, but right side hurts worse. I think it's to do with hip alignment being knocked out by the relaxin and joint expansion, and the dead leg thing could just be a cruel coincidence.

Frustratingly, I'm not allowed to do prenatal yoga due to stupid low-lying placenta (I'm a liability apparently), which would be a significant help. Baths help, but it seems such a faff to have a bath every night before bed (not to mention poor old environment!).

Littlemissworrier Wed 10-Apr-13 12:40:49

Hi Ladies,

Hope you dont mind me joining, I have recentely found out Im expection after some hard time trying and a bit of fertility help with Clomid but lucky us, we finally got a BFP Easter weekend. Still really early as only 5 weeks tomorrow (and counting Eeeeeekkk)

Everything going really well except really really bad constipation. Ive always suffered and am under a consultant and 'normally' have really strong medication to 'make me go' Ive stopped this though and am on much milder stuff they have given me but its not working sad. Know this is a tad bit embarrasing blush but any help you can give? anyone similar problems? They have currently given me Fibrgel and Lactalose plus my diet is spot on, loads of water and im drinking a glass of prune juice each morining too (yuck). Not sure what to do next. 6 days since last movement and feel HUGE!!

Lots love xx

HazleNutt Wed 10-Apr-13 14:02:33

Welcome and congratulations!

janey1234 Wed 10-Apr-13 14:28:21

Welcome littlemiss.
No advice from me I'm afraid, you're already trying everything I'd recommend....

Littlemissworrier Wed 10-Apr-13 15:00:28

Ahhhh thanks ladies xxx

HazleNutt Wed 10-Apr-13 15:04:07

Brave could you get a dvd and do it at home? I mean it's yoga, I can't imagine it being actually risky.

HazleNutt Wed 10-Apr-13 15:18:07

A colleague just dropped in and also asked how I'm feeling and the usual. "So" he says, "two?"
I - "What? I'm not that massive! No, it's not twins, just one!"
"No, two months left?"

Honestly, I was quite upset for a minute here grin

janey1234 Wed 10-Apr-13 15:23:58

Ha, that's hilarious. I'm surprised the old boot in my office that keeps calling me huge hasn't asked me that!!

Saw someone in the canteen I used to go out drinking with today (she works on a different newspaper so don't see her much at work). Depressingly, she was wearing the non-fat/preggo version of the H&M shirt I'm wearing. She was also wearing skinny jeans, heels and looked fab. I, on the other hand, was wearing flats and have my hair in a ponytail as I've given up trying to look nice I felt VERY frumpy and old sad

HazleNutt Wed 10-Apr-13 15:41:33

janey but did she have a massive belly to show off? I bet not!

HazleNutt Wed 10-Apr-13 15:52:25

googling again. Got to love the differences between official advice and actual experiences. Look away now if you don't want to hear about the "fun" part of having those babies!

NHS: Before formal induction of labour, you will be offered a vaginal examination with membrane sweep to encourage labour to start. There is a chance you may have some discomfort or bleeding after having a sweep.

"Had a sweep today and it was excruciating"
"I found the sweep I had incredibly painful"
"mine was agonising - I had gas an air"
"I was climbing up the bed it was so painful "

"some discomfort" my arse..So how can I take anything else they write seriously?

Littlemissworrier Wed 10-Apr-13 15:52:39

Ahhh Janey bet you look gorgeous.

At what stage did you ladies start to get a little bump? x

HazleNutt Wed 10-Apr-13 16:06:48

You know, I don't even remember. Definitely was visibly pregnant somewhere around the 5-month mark, but before that it took ages of looking just fat.

Alexandra6 Wed 10-Apr-13 16:10:10

She is gorgeous littlemiss! And looks great with her bump (I know her in real life so can vouch for it!)

littlemiss I've got a bump already! shock Mother in law pointed it out the other day - she's right though! Think it's just swelling though as I'm only 7 weeks tomorrow.

janey1234 Wed 10-Apr-13 16:23:37

Oh hazle, between you and cavort I now have the fear of sweeps. I think my perception has been distorted by my DSIL and friend who both said they were absolutely fine, and not painful just uncomfortable. It would seem they're in the minority.

Littlemiss - felt fat from pretty early on. Had to stop wearing lots of my normal clothes from about 12 weeks (as didn't tell work until 14 weeks, and just looked porky) but didn't really 'pop' until around 20-21 weeks, when it suddenly looked MUCH bigger.

janey1234 Wed 10-Apr-13 16:24:53

Cross post Alex/Hazle.

Yes, lots of bloat from very early days as per Alex. Proper preggers bump at about 5 months/20 weeks as Hazle said.

BraveLilBear Wed 10-Apr-13 16:29:02

Welcome, congrats and sympathies LittleMiss may be worth trying suppository route if things are that bad? (Ask a pharmacist!)

Hazle may well try that tbh. Will also email pg yoga teacher to see if there are particular exercises I could just avoid or if everything is 'risky'.

Also agree regarding the real 'information' versus real life experience thing. If I read one more reference to the use of forceps as a 'gentle tug' I will personally burn off DVD copied of the many contradictory OBEM examples and hand-deliver them to the NHS writers that authored them!

Am glad your colleague was talking months not babies. Lol grin Open season has begun here. I am literally getting daily updates from my colleagues. I think they think I keep forgetting... wink

Littlemiss I was flat to 16 weeks, started getting fat around then, then bump popped out at 21 weeks...

HazleNutt Wed 10-Apr-13 16:32:22

janey I'm sure a lot of women do in fact find it just uncomfortable. I would like to be informed though that it can be more than that, so I know what to expect and can tell them to take it easy and stop if needed. And not expect a mild discomfort and then jump to the ceiling because of surprise! agonizing pain.

littlemiss now that I think about it, I got my first maternity trousers around 12 weeks, was definitely bigger and bloated, but nobody guessed. Started suddenly looking pregnant around 22-23 weeks (during holidays, arrived bloated, went home with a bump).

janey1234 Wed 10-Apr-13 16:34:45

Talking of which cavort are you showing more now? Or do I still need to be envy of how bloody trim and neat you are?!

HazleNutt Wed 10-Apr-13 16:36:30

snort at "gentle tug". NHS would probably describe shark biting your leg off as "might feel a tiny pinch".

BraveLilBear Wed 10-Apr-13 16:44:54

I love the NHS but do think it may be secretly sadistic... mentioned to one of my dad's newly-qualified nurse friends that I'd had op under GA on giant abscess in early pregnancy and she said 'oh but they must have given you morphine for the pain'. She looked horrified when I said, nope, was only allowed paracetamol and one dose of cocodamol.

Baby Bear is kicking up a storm today - think it may be either that it's been off growing some steel-strength leg muscles for the last couple of days and is now showing them off, or is hearing me and my colleagues ranting in the office - have been on my own for two weeks at work due to holidays so I bet all that noise must be somehting of a shock!

janey1234 Wed 10-Apr-13 17:00:16

To be fair hazle the NHS do advise you to take paracetamol to take the edge off contractions. I think we all know that will do bugger all!

BraveLilBear Wed 10-Apr-13 17:32:27

C'mon Janey didn't you know that two paracetamol and a patronising pat on the head makes it all fine wink

Hey guys, so I don't want to sound like a drama queen but I do seem to be lurching from one minor disaster to another at the moment with this pregnancy lark. The latest is I've got suspected cholestasis or however you spell it. That's the thing where you get all itchy and it means your liver has decided not to work properly anymore. Don't bloody google it for christ sake, it says the word 'stillbirth' about three times in every sentence. And that's on the NHS site.

janey1234 Wed 10-Apr-13 18:47:30

Oh purple, I've heard of that - mainly because my legs have been itching like mad so I consulted Dr.Google. Thankfully for me the itching seems to have passed. Are you having blood tests for it? Is it mainly your feet and hands?
I know it sound scary but from what I remember I think it can be managed ok?
Really hope you're ok <hugs>

Yeah mostly palms of hands and soles of feet but then sort if spreading all over but this is not just itching, oh no, it's not even M&S itching, this is like being eaten alive by fire ants. I've had NO sleep for two nights in a row because of this 'itching' which frankly does not seem an adequate word and it seems that there is nothing they can do <weeps>
Phoned midwife to say I'd got the symptoms today when I got to work but explained I had a midwife appt tomorrow afternoon anyway and was told to immediately drive the half an hour home again because the blood test couldn't wait until tomorrow...so I guess they take it pretty seriously? She came to my house and everything (not ideal when you've been ill for days and weren't expecting visitors...hope she doesn't phone social services) sounds from NHS website like they don't manage it just monitor it and whip the baby out by section if they have to? Midwife was in too much of a rush to really give me any info just said they'll ring me with the results.

HazleNutt Wed 10-Apr-13 19:12:36

oh Purple that's scary, hope there are some other options still besides whipping baby out.

janey1234 Wed 10-Apr-13 19:14:45

Oh purple. Poor poor you. I have to say when my itching was driving me mad I read about OC itching and it sounds like a whole new level. It seems pretty common for it to stop you sleeping. I'm so sorry.

Also sounds like a slightly early elcs is pretty common. But I'm sure that will be fine. Just sounds as if the next few months will be really hard with lots of scratching sadsad

Sending you thanks and hugs. Fingers crossed it's not and is just a coincidence re hands and feet. But if it is you WILL get through it and everything will be ok in the end xx

Alexandra6 Wed 10-Apr-13 19:22:29

flowers purple, I really feel for you, sounds really difficult especially with it happening at night too and stopping you sleeping sad At least they're monitoring you. Really hope it gets better or it's not that.

Thank you! I'm keeping my chin up at the moment but I do feel a bit like it has been one thing after another and that surely nothing else can go wrong! I could really really do with some sleep though.

HazleNutt Wed 10-Apr-13 21:49:25

Purple at least the MW took you seriously and hopefully will be able to come back with some useful advice. Fx, poor you!

Cavort Wed 10-Apr-13 21:58:25

Evenin' all! I'm just back from a Speed Awareness Course to stop me getting 3 points for getting caught speeding in DH's ridiculous car a hectic day and I am knackered!

Purple a friend of mine was diagnosed with OC while pregnant and they just kept an eye on her and managed it until 36 weeks and then she was induced. Mum and baby were/are absolutely fine. Baby Purple might be the first Elderberry baby to arrive grin

Alex I think Brave is referring to the time I chucked up with MS and the dog (who was just a small puppy) immediately ate it which then made me sick again. I was in the garden and the neighbours didn't know I was pregnant so I would imagine any who saw me just tutted at me having another a massive hangover. I also projectile vomited in the street outside my Dad's house and a threw a whole curry up mostly through my nose. Yes I can laugh about it now but thank goodness it's over! grin

Janey I do have a bump which my MW described as 'neat' on Monday but at least it looks like a baby now rather than too many pies. I'll stick a photo on in a bit.

Welcome Littlemiss smile

MotherOfCleo Wed 10-Apr-13 22:08:41

wow Ive missed a lot....eeek.

Sounds nasty purple, hope they can sort you out!

I am craving skittles but have none, did a sweep of the house for sweets and all we have are super sour sweets called brainbusters, now I like sour sweets but these are something else!!!! WOWSERS! confused

Just dropping in for some stalking to say hi and hope you're all ok and it's not too miserable being PG. Who's due first? How long before we get an Elderberry birth story??

Thanks for all the support berries, I've read up a bit more about it now so feel better now I know more about it and it does seem like most likely scenario is mentally unstable itchy me and early baby so it could be a lot worse. She says, having already had a little self pitying cry this evening blush
Welcome littlemiss, my apologies, with my rather challenging day I forgot to say hello when I burst in hysterically earlier!

Littlemissworrier Wed 10-Apr-13 22:40:34

Aw hi purple. Bless you I'm sure everything will be fine. Oooooh and not sure if it will help but boots do an amazing cream (in already using it as my arms were really dry and tad itchy) I LOVE it!!!

It's called derma mum, it's a stretch mark cream although its such a fab moisturise my partner has used it in his arms ha ha!! It's not hinging fancy, no fancy packaging or smell just a really good cream that soaks in well, is designed for pregnancy so no nasties in it and comes in a nice big tub (similar to sudacream but a little thinner)
Maybe worth a little go? I go a big tub for £12!

Not sure you can help stretch marks that much but ill give it a good go keeping skin supple smile

Sending you lots of love and hugs sure you will be absolutely fine

thank you everyone for you lively welcoming comments!!! Calling in morning with more advise and hopefully solution to my 'poo issue' god it's embarrassing smile ill keep you all posted (although I'm not sure you'll all want to know my bowel movements ha ha)

Night everyone, purple hope you get some sleep xxxxx

Littlemissworrier Wed 10-Apr-13 22:42:40

Sorry to my last message (stupid phone) cream was 12 pounds and thank you for your 'lovely' messages not 'lively' wink xxx

janey1234 Wed 10-Apr-13 22:49:37

Purple - if you can't sleep later I thoroughly recommend the yoni thread in style and beauty. Absolutely wetting myself.

Am off to Hull bed now. Night y'all.

janey1234 Wed 10-Apr-13 22:51:38

Oh and hi hi hi merkin smilesmile
Think hazle due first. I'm not third trimester (nuts) and getting more porky by the day. Looking forward to more of you joining us. Hope you're all ok x

janey1234 Wed 10-Apr-13 22:52:18

Argh not = now confused

Cavort Wed 10-Apr-13 23:00:54

Hi Merkin, how's it going? I think there's misery aplenty to varying degrees pregnancy has zero in the way of endearing features but we're all waddling plodding along.

I believe Hazle will have the agony honour of delivering the first Elderberry baby by EDD, but there are a few of us who are reasonably close together so it could be anybody's. I think Purple is probably worth a punt after today.

It makes a change for you to be stalking visiting us, it's usually me stalking visiting you.

HazleNutt Thu 11-Apr-13 06:48:46

yes according to due dates that would be me, but by just a few days and they consider anything between 37-42 as being on time, so we will see.

Cavort Thu 11-Apr-13 08:05:33

For those of you who are considering practicing putting baby clothes on pets, see if you can beat this for cute!

Today is my birthday. I am 35 <wails at top of voice>
I just don't see how this has happened. I was only 17, like, 2 minutes ago. I am half way to 70 FFS! shock

Alexandra6 Thu 11-Apr-13 08:10:21

grin I love that pic so much cavort! Happy birthday!

I am struggling with nausea today, going to tell my boss I'm pg as think it's probably more useful for her to know early.

littlemiss don't you live in Hull? See what Janey was talking about and avoid that man like the plague haha!

Alexandra6 Thu 11-Apr-13 08:12:22

Oh and I had a dream about my first scan next week - I got there and had totally forgotten to drink water so they couldn't see a thing and made me down loads of it, and then I woke up just before they did the scan again! So nervous and excited about it.

Cavort Thu 11-Apr-13 08:19:47

I told my boss at about 7 weeks as soon as the sickness kicked in so he could cut me some slack at work.

Be careful with your pre-scan water consumption. My appointment was late and my bladder was so agonisingly burstingly full I thought I might actually cry. And when I got in there she said I might have to 'empty a bit out' (how on earth would you do that??) because it was too full for her to see anything angry

HazleNutt Thu 11-Apr-13 08:24:36

Happy Birthday Cavort! flowersflowers
So you're one of those especially eeeeevil women who left having babies til they're over 35. Tsk, tsk. grin
Any fun plans? Have to say that neither DH or I care about our birthdays, but we always use them as an excuse to go to some fancy overpriced restaurant.

As for scans, they never told me anything about water consumption or not too much water consumption here. Alex, you're how far along next week? If it's early, they are likely to use the dildo-cam and I don't think drinking makes a difference there.

Cavort Thu 11-Apr-13 08:33:38

Yup, I am the very definition of Elderly Primigravida. What an evil selfish hag I am waiting until my circumstances were right and could actually afford a baby rather than relying on the welfare state to prop me up.

No fun plans for today really - I am getting a Whooping Cough jab at 09.10 sad, then off to work, then meeting friends for non-alcoholic drinks later. DH is still in Scotland and won't be back until later but he is taking me to the Costa del Sol tomorrow until Monday so I am looking forward to a few days relaxing in the sun with him. We've both been so busy with work lately I feel like I have hardly seen him.

Littlemissworrier Thu 11-Apr-13 09:17:28

Happy birthday Cavot!!! Ooooh and some warmer weather - perfect!!

Yes I'm in Hull - oooh fill me in grin x

janey1234 Thu 11-Apr-13 09:22:15

Littlemiss - there's a thread in style and beauty about Yoni massage. It's hilarious. I was keeping DP awake last night reading all the replies...

cavort - happy happy birthday thanks thanks . You're still a spring chicken compared to me though envy

alex - i too was kept waiting ages, and ages, having downed 750ml on the way to the scan. It was sooooo painful! And like cavort she had to re-do some scanning as my bladder was too full the first time. So I'd say just drink some water (like 250ml!) on the way and you should be full. They say to have a full bladder, but not full to bursting! And re: dildocam - I was 8 weeks too and thankfully didn't need it, fingers crossed you don't either...

BraveLilBear Thu 11-Apr-13 11:04:57

Morning all.

Happy birthday Cavort! April is the best month for birthdays wink OH had his yesterday (yes, we went for nice meal any excuse ) and mine is coming up soon too.

What is all this Hull talk? I may have a vested interest...?!

And Purple so sorry to hear that, you poor thing, you've really been through the wars flowers

I saw an old episode of OBEM a while back when a mum with kidney failure developed OC as well. It looked torture. She ended up admitted in hospital on extremely strong drugs that are usually not used in pregnancy and the focus was on getting her to hold on as long as possible. The good news is that they got her to 32 weeks or so before inducing her and both she and baby turned out fine. That was a really extreme case, but thought I'd share to show that there is always hope - and by diagnosing it early, they're in the best position to support you and monitor things. But totally agree how scary it must be - not to mention irritating.

Mightbe worth cutting all your nails short as an interim measure so if you do scratch, you don't open yourself up to skin infections etc.

Keep us posted. How far are you now?

Cavort Thu 11-Apr-13 11:11:59

Brave I think you need to read the Yoni thread to see the significance of Hull <sniggers> grin

29+1 fatty photo uploaded. My Fundal Height has grown 4cm in 3.5 weeks so it's heading in the right direction at least!

BraveLilBear Thu 11-Apr-13 11:19:33

Cavort you are so not a fatty. Still very envy at your amazing figure! Will try and take a headless shot tonight so you can compare with me... I'd say we were similar and I'm just 25+2. I took a pic 4 weeks ago but my bedroom was really messy so not posting that - I had a random shiny bump too!

<shuffles off to read yoni thread with trepidation>

Cavort Thu 11-Apr-13 11:23:14

Ooo, yes I would like some other bump photos to compare and contrast smile It occurred to me as I was taking this one that these might be the last photos of my belly free of stretch marks sad

janey1234 Thu 11-Apr-13 11:37:13

I will try and take a bump pic in the next few days. I am HUGE though!! Soooo jealous of your teeny tiny bumpette.

brave I wouldn't boast too loudly about your Hull connections wink

Morning all and Happy Birthday Cavort you old wrinkly you! wink I hope you have a fabulous weekend away.
I slept! Yay! Still itchy today but at a much more manageable normal level (although it does seem to be getting worse as the day goes on), I have no idea what this means but I am so grateful that I got some sleep last night.

janey1234 Thu 11-Apr-13 11:40:35

Oh fingers crossed purple that it was some kind of weird, pregnancy, non-OC itching. When do you get the results?

HazleNutt Thu 11-Apr-13 11:42:35

Sorry Cavort you'll have to stop that now. I think I looked like this 3 months ago! envy

BraveLilBear Thu 11-Apr-13 11:58:23

I'm not boasting about anything Janey - has the thread been removed or is it called something random? Can't find it in style and beauty (not that I'm looking or anything...)

Good news on the sleepfront Purple smile

janey1234 Thu 11-Apr-13 12:03:15

brave - just looked and it has, rightly, been moved to mumsnet classics. Phew, at one point I thought it might be deleted! I wouldn't click on any of the links when you're at work though, argh, not that I have or anything blush.

Do you live in Hull btw, or did you? I nearly went to uni there, swayed by the awesome SU bar (or at least it was back in 1993!). Love the north east.

janey1234 Thu 11-Apr-13 12:09:31

Haha MNHQ said, when they moved the thread

"We've yoni gone and moved this thread to classics"

<must stop checking v.dodgy thread at my desk>

Got to wait up to 10 days for the bile results but some of the other results should be in today or tomorrow, they're supposed to be phoning me. Don't ask me what they're all for but she took about 5 vials of blood and said 'My! you do bleed easily don't you!' I've got some vague hope in the back of my mind that this is all related to the nasty sickness virus and isn't Cholewotsit at all and it will all magically disappear in a day or two anyway <she says, frantically scratching her leg under the desk>.

Apparently quite often it doesn't show up on the first test even if you've got it though as it can take a couple of weeks of itching for the levels to build up enough to show up in your blood. Only time will tell.

I did have a little snigger at the Yoni thread myself last night grin don't read it at work Bear!

envy at Cavorts lovely little bump, I look MUCH bigger than that even though my bump is still measuring fairly small, how does that work? Must be a proportion thing.

BraveLilBear Thu 11-Apr-13 13:09:10

Think you're right Purple must be proportional... I am short with short legs but a long waist, so think my bump has lots of room to be very round. The phrase beach ball was used yesterday lol!

Having said that, the beach ball effect appears to be wearing off as top of bump is now encroaching on ribs and boob space, which is very weird. Especially when BB goes into a 'kick Brave in the ribs' frenzy - worse time yet was when a bit of skin got caught between kick, rib, and bra shock

Found thread. Decided I'm moving out of Hull as it's probably safer that way.

Fx for your results Purple...

janey1234 Thu 11-Apr-13 13:13:37

grin bear at you moving to escape him!

HazleNutt Thu 11-Apr-13 19:27:06

I put a bump photo up. 30 weeks tomorrow.

Oh you're not massive at all Hazle! It's a very nice bump. I think my bump is a similar size but looks bigger than yours because I've not got boobs to balance it out. Will try to take a photo later.

Cavort Fri 12-Apr-13 00:12:11

So tired but I had to just pop on and tell you my friend's amazing birth story.

She had her baby girl tonight at 11.30pm at 40+3.

Her Mum showed up at hers tonight about 6.30pm and forced her to take castor oil. She sent me a message at 7.45pm saying she couldn't make it to my birthday drinks as she couldn't stop chucking up after said castor oil. At 9pm she said she seemed to be 'weeing out of her bum' shock (assume waters had gone). She had the first contraction at 10pm, went to hospital at 11pm to be told she was already 8cm and had baby at 11.30pm.

Can I place an order for one like that please?!! envy

Hazle your bump's not that big, it just seems to go higher then mine. envy at your impressive boobage!

HazleNutt Fri 12-Apr-13 06:50:31

that was just after gym in a sports bra, so boobs are nicely flattened. I look a bit scary otherwise grin

yes I'll take that 1,5 labour as well please.

Alexandra6 Fri 12-Apr-13 07:41:18

Your friend is so lucky cavort - yes please, a pre-order from me on that one! Hope you enjoyed your bday drinks. I was out until midnight last night, a massively late night for me these days! Woken up with a really bad throat though, annoying.

hazel you've got a lovely bump! And yes impressive boobage. Mine have grown loads - I might even fill a C cup properly now! Wow. haha wink

Have nausea and a client meeting today. Great mix!

HazleNutt Fri 12-Apr-13 08:14:24

Oh, the baby bed arrived. They claimed it has a long delivery time, supposed to be arriving in May, but was here in a couple of days.

If anybody is interested in a co-sleeper, then I got this one:

Cheaper than the Babybay I was originally planning on getting, has good reviews and is quite big, so can be used longer. Has a 4th side so can also be used as a normal cot.

Alexandra6 Fri 12-Apr-13 08:29:08

I'd heard co sleepers mentioned and didn't really know what they are, just googled and such a good idea, how long does the baby stay in that next to your bed for?

HazleNutt Fri 12-Apr-13 08:40:32

The recommendation is to have the baby in your room for safety reasons for the first 6 months. So if the co-sleeper is big enough, I would guess we can just keep the baby there until it's time to move to his own room.

All new parents I know have been raving about the co-sleepers, apparently makes a hell of a difference if you don't have to climb out of bed every time the baby needs something. And having a baby in our own bed is not for me, I would be terrified to move.

janey1234 Fri 12-Apr-13 09:23:59

I bought the arms reach co sleeper for £87 off ebay, and a new mattress from the manufacturers for c.£50. A steal vs the £300 new price! Also lasts for six months, and given I've bought a proper decent cotbed for after the first six months (loving how confident I am that he/she will move into their own room then?!) I was reluctant to spend much more if I could help it.

Anyone know anything about heartburn? Can it make you vomit? Went out last night and woke up at 2.30am with the worst heartburn ever, and had a red face and was all shaky... Then I ran to the bathroom and was violently sick (sorry TMI!). Was supposed to be going to see my Nan tomorrow, but don't want to risk it if it's a bug, and was wondering if you all thought it was feasible that it could have been from the heartburn?

Hazle - you look amazing. Will post my flabby bump later, although quite why I'm not sure, given how fab you and cavort look!

HazleNutt Fri 12-Apr-13 09:26:30

janey according to google yes, heartburn can also cause vomiting, so if you don't have any other symptoms of a bug, that's probably the cause.

HazleNutt Fri 12-Apr-13 09:26:59

Oh and I'm 30 weeks today. 10 more (or so) to go.

janey1234 Fri 12-Apr-13 09:30:24

Wow hazle. 10 weeks. In a strange way, it only seems like yesterday you got your BFP (I was obv v. envy wink )It's weird how slowly the first 12 weeks go - but now, we all seem to be heading towards our due dates at a pace!!

Alexandra6 Fri 12-Apr-13 09:41:07

Thank god time speeds up more than it's crawling past for me now!

Cavort Fri 12-Apr-13 09:41:29

Janey I haven't had heartburn yet but i've been getting what I assume is acid reflux quite a bit recently, where I seem to randomly puke volcanic lava into the back of my mouth. Having never had either before I'm just guessing that's what it is, but I'm finding an extra pillow under my head is helping. Oh the joys hmm

I also think the time is going much faster now probably because I am dreading the birth.

The hospital have phoned, they want to see me today, they're still waiting for some of my results but some of my liver function results were a bit high so they're adequately assured that there is something actually wrong with me so...They're going to give me DRUGS!!! Drugs that will calm the itching down, I could weep with gratitude. God bless the NHS.

HazleNutt Fri 12-Apr-13 10:35:38

Good to hear they're doing something about it! Hope it's nothing seriously wrong, of course.

BraveLilBear Fri 12-Apr-13 11:01:31

Oh bless you Purple I think that's good news! So pleased they're able to help you... Fingers crossed it takes effect sooner rather than later.

Janey yes heartburn makes you vom. It took me ages to work out why I'd feel sick before eating, then eat, feel better, but then feel sick again (different feeling) about an hour later. And heartburn vom is plain nasty - would throw up entire meals.

If you haven't already, meet my friend Gaviscon. As soon as I get that sicky feeling at night, I take a couple of spoonfuls and voila. Bliss.

Hazle you have a fab bump! and boobs Will take a picture later. 10 weeks doesn't sound long at all! Eek!

Have suddenly started worrying about the bit that comes immediately after the pregnancy and immediately before being an actual real-life mum. It all feels really rather real all of a sudden. I don't think it helps that I get the occasional Braxton Hicks contraction - and it hurts! I thought they weren't supposed to?!

Had one last night that started out like a stitch but then got tighter and tighter and was quite a sharp pain. Lasted about 90seconds. It hurt! I had to stop what I was doing, couldn't finish putting my shoes on (bending down hurt more) but could just talk with a struggle. I have got no chance sad

Cavort Fri 12-Apr-13 11:12:58

Purple I'm so glad they've acknowledged it is actually something and are giving you drugs to sort it. If they're the same as the ones my friend had they completely cured her itching so FX they do the same for yours. Are you going to be referred to a Consultant about it?

Brave I have been wondering if it's BH I have been getting recently. not sure but mine are not strong enough yet to tell the difference between them and toilet pains some other cause. There's definitely something weird going on though.

Right, i'm off to Espana grin

BraveLilBear Fri 12-Apr-13 11:16:56

Woop to Espana! Have a fab time Cavort envy grin

HazleNutt Fri 12-Apr-13 11:28:33

Have fun!

janey1234 Fri 12-Apr-13 12:08:09

envy from here too. Have an amazeballs time cavort

It was indeed nasty vom. Throat still feels a bit raw from it. Lovely. Still, am chomping on rennies this morning and haven't been sick today. Hoorah.

I too have had a few braxton hicks. My bump goes weird - kind of narrower and sticks out more - and it really is a strange old feeling. One was verging on painful but thankfully the rest have just felt plain odd....

HazleNutt Fri 12-Apr-13 12:27:04

Hm I don't think I've had Braxton. Or I just didn't notice? Sometimes the bump feels a bit funny, but not like it's contracting, more like that the baby is trying to shift position. That's probably not it?

janey1234 Fri 12-Apr-13 13:04:37

It's probably because you're so fit with a stomach of iron anyway you don't notice whereas it's clear as anything as my usually flabby belly tightens up ......

I don't think I've had any either Hazle, not that I've noticed and I definitely havent got any remarkable stomach muscles. Back from the hospital with a big bag of drugs, happy days! More blood tests in two weeks but hopefully the magic drugs will make the itching all better. I'm feeling amazingly positive about it all and not dwelling on the probability of going into premature labour or being induced as early as 37 weeks and not being at all prepared (even usually unflappable OH looked a bit pale when I asked if the attic conversion was going to be done in time now that the baby could well be at least two weeks early), nope, if they can keep the baby safe and stop me itching, the rest is just gravy, I refuse to worry.

Have a fab weekend away Cavort, I'm not jealous though because, did I mention, I've got DRUGS!

Mind you, it is a shame the magic drugs don't cure heartburn as well (I'm finding even Gaviscon doesn't touch it) but you can't have it all grin

janey1234 Fri 12-Apr-13 14:42:37

Oh purple, so glad you've got something for it. Hope that it starts to work quickly. So they don't know if it's OC or some other liver condition yet? Either way, if they can give you actual, real drugs to help you, that's got to be a good thing?

Alexandra6 Fri 12-Apr-13 15:26:32

That's great they've got something you can treat it with purple, really hope it eases off quickly.

I also love drugs and the NHS since clomid got me knocked up at last! wink

BraveLilBear Fri 12-Apr-13 16:24:56

Yay to NHS magic drugs! Really hope they come good Purple. Shame about the heartburn though. If mine gets to a point where Gaviscon doesn't work I will actually cry!

Meanwhile, just bumped into a colleague back from mat leave after having her baby the same week that mine's due this year (but she obvs had hers last year). Was fab to see her but she said something really interesting and a bit disturbing - apparently, some people are booking up nursery places as soon as the 20-week scan! Arrrrghhh!

Has anyone here been that scarily organised?

HazleNutt Fri 12-Apr-13 16:46:02

Oh yes, nursery booked a long time ago. Over here, due to the mat leave being so much shorter, I've heard about people booking places before they start TTC! shock

Alexandra6 Fri 12-Apr-13 16:52:27

What, booking places already! Thank god you said that brave, I'll remember to look into that - what age do they go to nursery and for how many years? Is that free state nursery? I really don't know anything do I

It really depends where you live, there's absolutely no need to book nursery places in advance where I live but it will all depend if your area.
The free nursery places aren't until the term after your child's third birthday Alex so you shouldn't need to worry about that for a while but if you're going back to work quite quickly it's worth looking into childcare soon ish as baby rooms can be quite busy. Phone your local family information service and they can give you a list if what is available in your area, either google it or tell me which local authority you're in and I can give you the right phone number for where you live.

Alexandra6 Fri 12-Apr-13 17:51:35

Thanks purple I was thinking about work and what to do - not sure if I can afford to go back, as childcare sounds very expensive so I'll need to see if I make enough to cover it plus decent profit. I'll def take the first year off. Will look into the local family info service.

If you're not going back to work for a year you probably don't need to worry about childcare just yet. This website will give you the details of your local FIS though findyourfis.daycaretrust.org.uk/kb5/findyourfis/home.page

janey1234 Fri 12-Apr-13 20:27:40

I've just had a look alex, and the nursery near me costs around £15k per year for full time. I guess that means you'd need to earn around £22k before tax to break even. I might have got the costs wrong, but think I've read it correctly. An expensive business if you have two hey!

Alexandra6 Fri 12-Apr-13 20:56:36

It's so expensive isn't it, you can see how some people really struggle. I was thinking, depending what happens with my company, I could maybe go back part time and maybe MIL will offer to babysit one day a week and maybe a childminder for the other 2 days (cheaper than nursery). We'll see though, one bridge at a time!

Alexandra6 Fri 12-Apr-13 20:57:33

How many times can I say maybe? wink

janey1234 Fri 12-Apr-13 21:28:46

Is a childminder cheaper? I had no idea, assumed they were more. I too know nothing but MAYBE you have a plan there alex wink

I'm off to hospital. Rang nhs direct as I still feel sick, and due to that, blood pressure last time and i had protein in my urine, and the fact my ankles are swollen today they want me to go in for checks. Kind of wish I hadn't called as I know it will be a waste of time! Appt at 10.10pm on a Friday night, that will be a joy...sad

HazleNutt Fri 12-Apr-13 21:37:29

Ouch. better get yourself checked out, just in case. But true, not the most fun one could have on a Friday..

Alexandra6 Fri 12-Apr-13 21:38:43

Ah babe poor you, good luck, am sure they're being cautious but am glad you're going to be on the safe side. Are you feeling a bit better sick-wise or same as last night? Txt me and keep me posted even if it's late, I know I'll worry otherwise (DH is out on the piss so I'll get woken up later anyway!!) Yes Friday night a&e sad hope it's too early for the drinking accidents so you don't have to wait long xxx

Alexandra6 Fri 12-Apr-13 21:42:49

Oh hang on just realised you said app, so not a&e? That's good they can do apps at this time x

Oh no hope you're ok Janey. If any of you have any childcare related questions, I'm your girl, it's sort of my area of expertise. Costs are a bit dependent on region though.

Alexandra6 Fri 12-Apr-13 22:45:17

Do you do childcare purple or do you mean you use it? Or just know lots about it? Just wondered as a friend of mine is training to be a childminder so she can earn money whilst bringing up her own, her dream is to own and manage a nursery.

It's part of my job to know about it grin I wouldn't want to work in childcare though. I can't think of many jobs where you have to work so many hours and do so much training for such low wages.

janey1234 Sat 13-Apr-13 00:08:53

Back home. Blood pressure same as last time (bit high but not too awful) and the swelling still there. He said to keep an eye on that, and if it gets worse to go back. Equally if I start being sick again or having blurred vision to call 999. Nice. Thankfully very unlikely I think! Given me some medicine for acid reflux thank goodness. Told me i had absolutely done the right thing going in, and to do the same again, and was really sweet and kept congratulating us on our pregnancy. Love the nhs. Although a&e on a Friday night in pikey east london was certainly an eye opener!!

Glad you're ok Janey.

janey1234 Sat 13-Apr-13 11:28:57

How are you today purple? Did you sleep?

Yeah not too bad thanks, itchy, scratchy but holding out hope for these tablets and I did sleep so it could be worse. Sorry you're falling to bits too, not too much longer to go now in the grand scheme of things though and I'm sure it will all be worth it in the end. You'll have to let me know if that acid reflux med works so I can go and cry at my midwife until they give me some wink

MotherOfCleo Sun 14-Apr-13 10:31:03

tmi....I had trapped wind last night (attractive huh) now I know why babies cry about it! God its agony! I didnt know what to do with myself.

Alexandra6 Sun 14-Apr-13 11:38:23

mother I think that's what I had last Monday night, lasted all night and was so bad I was moaning and crying sad Even called NHS direct and nearly went to A&E! Was yours that bad? Am hoping that's what mine was, it was quite high in the stomach and achey but really sharp pains in waves. Haven't been in that pain since so trying not to worry about ectopic etc. I kept trying to burp all night in case it was wind, NOT attractive, DH was trying not to laugh because he could see how much pain I was in!

MotherOfCleo Sun 14-Apr-13 12:07:23

yeah alex it was so painful, mine was down rather than up iyswim blush so so painful, felt like stabbing pains. Id had it before so knew what it was but geez it was a killer. Cant believe a little bit of gas can hurt so much! My OH just kept saying well go to the loo or fart or something....if only it was that easy! Had to go to sleep with 2 hotty bottys and was still in pain all night. Im an attractive beast at the moment I really am. On the plus side my big bloated belly is a bit smaller today, only a bit though.

Cavort Sun 14-Apr-13 12:38:35

Hola from my sun lounger! grin

Glad you're ok Janey and that your lovely drugs are working Purple

My fingers and toes swelled up a bit on the flight - not quite shrek-like but enough to make sandals and rings a bit tight. I wore flight socks and drank loads so a bit frustrating. Oh well.

And I seem to be developing one of those lines down the middle if my belly, which I don't know is related to sun exposure or not? I have complete sun block on but it's still coming angry

On a positive note, baby seems to be very active in the sun and DH and I are finding it very amusing watching my belly contort into varying shapes. I don't think she has experienced light before as my belly is always covered up.

janey1234 Sun 14-Apr-13 13:33:38

Cavort I've had one of those lines for ages sadHate it. Apparently they go soon enough but I really don't like it at all... Very jealous of you on a sun lounger!!

Argh to trapped wind, I had it last weekend purple and every time I moved in the night it woke me up, and it hurt so much to even touch my belly. Hope it eases soon - apparently peppermint is the way forward - so maybe try a fresh mint tea or something?

HazleNutt Sun 14-Apr-13 18:38:01

It suddenly got really warm here as well, we spent the whole day walking with the dogs and I actually got a bit sunburned!
Have to say that I must be really lucky with how little issues I've had so far - some friends who had a baby recently were concerned if I am indeed able to walk for more than an hour - guess not all pregnant women can?

Cavort apparently tanning can intensify the line, but it will still disappear afterwards, so nothing to worry about.

janey1234 Mon 15-Apr-13 09:17:25

I think I've been pretty lucky too Hazle - I guess that skipping the whole morning sickness thing definitely made it easier! But I have to say, even at two weeks behind you, I can really tell I'm pregnant now. I definitely walk more slowly to the tube for one thing. I could definitely still walk for over an hour, but to be honest, it would have to be pretty slowly!

Just thinking about doing a baby first aid course. Can't remember if we've all chatted about this - but is anyone else doing any courses? Or have any of you done them that you could recommend?

HazleNutt Mon 15-Apr-13 11:08:03

I'm doing one that should cover first aid and also common childhood illnesses, first class next week.

HazleNutt Mon 15-Apr-13 11:43:09

Grr. Well, feeling fine and thinking everybody is being considerate might change now. Just had a meeting and one of the guys, sitting next to me kept sniffing and sneezing. I thought it was just allergies, then he helpfully explains that his whole department is sick with flu and he will try to go see his doctor in the afternoon.
He knew very well that I'm pregnant and could have easily cancelled the meeting, or called instead. I'll bloody kill him if I get sick now, as you can't take anything when pregnant either and even an average cold is a torture. angry

janey1234 Mon 15-Apr-13 12:01:58

I just don't get why people are so selfish?! You're more prone to catch illnesses in the first place, and then can't take bloody anything once you are ill, so they should just stay away. Damn annoying people. I've been pretty pointed about staying away from infected people in the office.

So who's jealous on this lovely monday morning of cavort lying by a pool whilst we're all at work?! envy

Alexandra6 Mon 15-Apr-13 12:04:41

That is annoying hazle, my boss was really ill a couple of weeks ago and I kept nagging her to go home rather than spread it round the office! I've come down with a cold over the weekend, am sitting at my desk sniffling and feeling sick - double whammy!

BraveLilBear Mon 15-Apr-13 12:06:30

How selfish Hazle I think men simply don't have a clue in general, and where pregnant women are concerned, they know even less (ie about the harm that colds and flu can do when you can't medicate).

I'll never forget my ex working through what turned out to be swineflu. He passed it on to three members of his team and me - and I ended up quite poorly with it while he was away, working. Very glad he is ex.

Glad you're ok Janey and have everything crossed for Purple's magic pills. Very jealous at your sunbed action Cavort... went to the seaside yesterday with our prgenant friends (she's four weeks ahead and huge next to me) and it hit home how difficult it gets... I was fine walking around for ages (though totally exhausted when we got home) but she struggled after a while and was aching all over.

Mother triple ouch at trapped wind. And newsflash, I think the painful braxton hicks I had last week might actually have been a dehydration contraction - ie a spasm on the side of the bump caused by not drinking enough water. Dr Google says these are incredibly ouchsome, and in some cases more so than labour. That made me feel a lot better - and a lot more inclined to drink water!

Had a breakfast meeting this morning which was entertaining as Baby Bear was having a total party! Least that was a distraction after being thoroughly put on the spot by the divisional boss about our team - my boss is unavailable today and other colleague only part-time so had to ramp up the diplomacy.

Hey ho grin

HazleNutt Mon 15-Apr-13 12:29:16

I'm still pissed off. OK, if you don't have kids you might not know that most medication is off limits when pregnant. But even then, the thought that getting sick when pregnant is probably not advised, might enter your tiny little head angry hmm

But the weather is nice and warm and I have a lovely business dinner to look forward to in a lovely restaurant I could choose. They certainly know the 3 secrets of French cooking there - butter, butter and butter!

janey1234 Mon 15-Apr-13 12:37:10

Exactly hazle. It's not exactly rocket science that a preggers woman might not want to get ill...

Ooh, is all glamour here. Baby just moved, and I think he/she must be high up as I was immediately a little bit sick in the back of my mouth, then started choking on it. Just as my boss walked past - he obviously stopped out of concern but I couldn't get a word out. Lovely hey. Not as good as cavort's garden-vom, obviously, but thought I'd mention it nevertheless.

I got Janey and Hazle's share of the pregnancy illnesses wink
Day 4 of the magic pills. Still itchy. Not quite so 'I'm going to be mentally ill soon if I don't stop itching' but still really rather bloody itchy. Not fun.
Hope you don't catch the man flu germs Hazle. It constantly amazes me how many idiots roam the earth.
Oooh, something I HAVEN'T got though, my stomach doesn't have a line yet and I haven't got trapped wind, so let's count today as a success grin

MotherOfCleo Mon 15-Apr-13 13:32:43

Hummm nice janey at least you didnt have to explain. hmm

Hazel that sucks, what a total nob! angry

Brave that doesnt sound fun! Makes note to never dehydrate!

I dont know whats wrong with mw lately, up to 10 weeks-ish I felt fine, but the last week I have been so tired and nauseous! sad I had a 2 hour nap on Saturday and I honestly thought it was like 15/20 mins....crazy. The sicky feeling is driving me mad, I feel better once Ive eaten but when I try to eat I just feel so icky, food just tastes awful. Please tell me this ends soon! I thought things got better as you approach 12 weeks, not worse! blush

MotherOfCleo Mon 15-Apr-13 13:33:57

sorry cross post purple glad you're less itchy! Yay to the no trapped wind too! wink

BraveLilBear Mon 15-Apr-13 14:04:27

Oh Mother poor you! Ms is one of those things - no-one quite gets it the same as anyone else. Most people see an improvement by 12-16 weeks (and I did) but have had the occasional ms flashback as recently as three weeks ago (now 26 btw). Some poor souls get it all the way through.

When it gets to this stage, just eat whatever it is you fancy - and it will change at least daily, sometimes more than that. Whatever you fancy is usually what your body wants. Even haribo and pringles And baby gets priority, too, so even if you feel like pants, it takes a very long time before it affects baby.

Just been to a meeting with some high-profile external partners and the two other women, neither of whom I'd met before, immediately started talking about my bump! It felt weird and uncomfortable but was nice at the same time. They were both mothers and were quite excited for me. I think I'm finding that mums seem to be the most excitable and encouraging - and it does feel like I'm entering into some new 'club'.

Sympathy to your kick-vom Janey that is pretty grim. Baby Bear has started honing its aim onto my bladder - I have a feeling this might indicate that placenta has moved away a bit, thereby exposing it to kickery - but last night I woke up honestly thinking I was about to wet myself. Was just a well-placed kick on a medium-full bladder. Twice.

Alexandra6 Mon 15-Apr-13 14:20:04

All my body wants right now is rubbish - cheese, pastry, pizza - it's funny as I'm usually so healthy! I'm forcing myself to eat some fruit, but weirdly veg just makes me feel really nauseous, I have to hide it in my food like you do for children! Also, my appetite has gone for big meals and all I can do is snack, which makes going to restaurants tough! I wonder why our bodies crave crap when we need to be at our healthiest?! No wonder I've caught a nasty cold! (a cold isn't bad for baby is it??)

Poor you with the vom janey!! I dry retched on the tube this morning by accident (nice) - on the bright side it drew attention to my baby on board badge and someone gave me their seat wink

janey1234 Mon 15-Apr-13 15:16:23

Hat to say this alex but think it's pretty normal for the first 12 weeks to just eat crap. I'm marginally better now, but whilst I didn't have morning sickness, I did find it hard to eat anything that wasn't beige for the first three months!

MotherOfCleo Mon 15-Apr-13 15:35:46

Yep alex I also went through a beige food stage, which did not help with me feeling like a bloated whale. Now I can't really stomach anything.....apart from crisps....I am going to get so fat at this rate! I have just eaten a rather nice apple though, might treat myself to another one. My OH is also moaning that we aren't DTD enough, but seriously I am either, tired, nauseous, grouchy, or feeling like a very unattractive fat blob....also my boobs are beyond sore so if he touches them I want to rip his arm off and hit him with it. Doesn't really lead to me wanting to pounce or be pounced on.

Alexandra6 Mon 15-Apr-13 16:00:37

Are we the only couple who have written off dtd-ing for the pregnancy?! blush We're too scared of doing damage and knocking my cervix around! A friend of mine laughed when I told her that and said she's sure DH is very well endowed but maybe flattering himself a bit there wink She says it's fine - but to be honest, it's hardly sexy to be worrying about doing damage - even if it is irrational!

Yes to eating whatever beige crap you can stomach, I think we pretty much all went through that phase, it does seem to pass, if crisps are all you want to eat, eat crisps, it's better than nothing.
Also, far far TMI but after what must be approaching 12 weeks of OH showing no interest in me whatsoever, we DTD last night. I'm well aware you REALLY don't need to know this but seriously, it's not like I can tell anyone in RL is it!

BraveLilBear Mon 15-Apr-13 16:54:45

Lol Purple that's the beauty of this place, we appreciate these facts even if everyone in RL would add you to their 'weird' list with such info!

I am mildly envious. I am rather ahem, up for DTD a lot at the moment, OH really isn't. I think I've always had a slightly higher libido but this is ridiculous, I can't even resort to my go-to tactics as quite frankly the nice undies no longer fit, and they really don't have the same effect when bookending a huge belly (which I actually find quite sexy, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't!).

Doesn't help that I'm now getting so tired that my efforts at initiating the deed are a bit half hearted - all I want is for him to voluntary touch me (Not even necessarily in a sexy way!) let alone properly jump me. I've even tried having a conversation about it, but that didn't get very far sad

Alex it should be fine to carry on DTD but if you've had treatments on the cervix it might be wise to lay off the full shebang for the first 12 weeks at least, and then get some reassurance from midwives. Doesn't mean you can't do other things though...

Before being pg I used to eat a bowl of soup and a bagel every day for my lunch and that was it. Early pg days, found myself eating more substantially and avoiding all acids, then went off pretty much all food for ages, then lived on bread, toast, pringles, strawberry cream pencils, coke... then one day my appetite returned and all I tend to want now is fresh fruit and veg and fruity things.

I felt terrible living on pringles and sweets for a time, but it didn't last that long and now I'm actively hunting fresh tasty healthy things.

Cavort Mon 15-Apr-13 21:38:15

Evenin' all, be jealous no longer Janey as I am home, knackered, and have an unattractive light brown line dividing me into two halves confused ....but other than that, all is well. smile

I wish someone would make a sun longer with a cut out for a pregnant belly so I could lie on my front for a while though. I couldn't really lie on my back for long periods with the weight of a bowling ball in my midriff so getting comfy in the sun was a bit of a challenge. I can't see it being too much of a problem in the British Summer though.

To those of you who are 27+ weeks (I thinks that's when baby's eyes can open?) I would highly recommend shining a torch at your bump or some other way of exposing your stomach to light to see the baby's reaction. In sunlight my belly was throwing shapes I didn't think possible!

Sorry to hear about your MS suffering Mother and Alex. I know it doesn't seem like it will at the time but it honestly does get better past 12 weeks.

As for pregnancy sex, I am very jealous of those of you having a horny pregnancy as I have completely lost my mojo. I would quite frankly rather have a cup of tea and a nap, which is very unlike me normally. I have been, ahem, stepping up to the mark a few times a week as I feel sorry for DH and I feel complemented that he still seems to fancy me in my new whale-like form, but it definitely takes much longer to start the engine these days! Alex there aren't any rules about it so you should just do what you both feel comfortable with and if that's abstinence then it's fine. You're not going to relax and enjoy it if you're worried and there are loads of other ways to maintain intimacy.

Congratulations on breaking your 12 week duck Purple grin

HazleNutt Tue 16-Apr-13 10:04:04

This is getting a bit odd now. Absolutely everybody keeps telling me how pregnancy really suits me, how much energy I seem to have, how I'm positively glowing and how good I look. Nice, of course.

But the things is that I saw a pic taken of me this weekend when I wasn't looking and posing from a correct angle. I look horrible! Elephant. WeightWatchers "before" picture. Double chins and all.

So either people just compliment all pregnant women by default, no matter what they look like, or I didn't look that great as I imagined before getting pregnant either. Hmm.

BraveLilBear Tue 16-Apr-13 10:44:47

I bet you look pretty good Hazle - people won't say anything if you look rough, more like to say, how you doing or revert to inane bump questions re size, weight, colour, activity.

I've been getting some nice compliments, too, and it perpetually surprises me. I'm now getting hot quite quickly so tend to have a blush on most of the time, which I'm sure helps.

Only thing is, I'd love it if OH gave me some nice attention <sigh> he is getting appropriately worried about me as in, urging me to use the bus more (even offering to pay - shock) as I'm getting tired quicker and 2 miles each way is getting harder.

So I say enjoy it, if they're lying, they're lying - who cares! Plus, everyone looks fab if they smile, so smiling at a random lie compliment would surely have the same effect! grin

BraveLilBear Tue 16-Apr-13 10:46:11

Oh and welcome back Cavort so pleased you had a fab time grin

I know what I'll be doing next week <scurries off to book time next to lamp from next Monday onwards>!

HazleNutt Tue 16-Apr-13 13:41:08

My American colleagues are asking about my baby shower plans and were of course shocked when I said that those are not common here, we have "see the baby" visits instead, after he's born. Apparently in the US it's not uncommon to have

a scan party where you either all look at the scan pics or better, ask a sonographer over so everybody can see the baby;
a sex reveal party, where you cut a cake with pink or blue filling, open a box of balloons or similar;
a baby shower, of course;
welcome to world party

That sounds exhausting!

janey1234 Tue 16-Apr-13 14:29:56

Excuse my language, but fuck that.
I've bored my closed friends with a snap on my phone of the scan. After the baby is born anyone who wants to come and meet it will be very welcome as long as it's not too soon post birth!
Not sure why you'd assume everyone else was as interested in your impending arrival as you are? Glad we're different in Europe hey wink

Jealous of all your compliments. I don't get any and am certainly not blooming. But thankfully, am 2/3 of the way there now, so hopefully I'll start to regain my normal size/shape/skin within a few months....

janey1234 Tue 16-Apr-13 14:30:24

Closed = closest. Argh.

BraveLilBear Tue 16-Apr-13 14:34:15

It's just so excessive. I can understand it in a context of women not having as many babies as they used to therefore it's more of an 'occasion', and it does seem rather narcissistic in the 'Sweet 16' lavish-lives-mean-you're-loved way.

My friend is having a baby shower which I'll go to... But I won't be having one. My mum and sisters cornered me at a family gathering the other week and told me they were throwing a baby shower for me. I said I really wasn't keen and thought the whole thing was a bit icky and would come across as grabby etc.

Eventually I relented that a girlie gathering would be nice, as long as there would be no presents etc. Thought it might be a way to get my family and OH's family to meet each other (the granpdarents have never met) and liked the idea of getting advice from my aunts and friends who are excited about junior's impending arrival.

So I told them which dates I wasn't available on (weddings) and drove the 2 and a half hours home. By the time I got there, I had a text from my mum saying the only date 'they' could all do was one of the wedding dates. I reiterated that I wasn't available then and she replied saying 'well that's what you get for having a summer baby as everyone's at weddings or festivals. nevermind'

So after finally entertaining the idea and coming round to it, I get it thrown back in my face for the audacity of having a summer baby. Was actually quite hormonal upset.

As for a welcome to the world party, pleeeease tell me this isn't a live birth video feed streamed by satellite to a room full of boozing yet tense relatives, waiting with cigar in hand...

janey1234 Tue 16-Apr-13 15:51:53

Oh brave I'm so sorry, but that did make me laugh just a bit. Poor you coming round to the idea, then having it snatched away. How very selfish you are, DARING to have a baby in the summer. Mums hey. Just think, fast forward 30 years and we'll all be that annoying wink

HazleNutt Tue 16-Apr-13 16:09:34

brave I would not be too shockedif it was exactly that at the welcome to world party grin

If you've been to "STFU, parents" website and seen the birth photos some people post on facebook for the whole world to see, not much would surprise you (I'm talking close-ups. of the actual birth process. frum the business end).

BraveLilBear Tue 16-Apr-13 17:06:53

Ew Hazle nooooooo! Why?!

Reminds me of a Ben Elton book. Blind Faith

In a world where your birth video and 'cherry pop' video is mandatory viewing at office induction parties, and where vaccinations have been outlawed because they intervene with 'god's will'.

Janey it is funny. I am a taurus. I am stubborn and do not like change. I like change less when I get my round something and then I have to change it back. Bahahahaha. wink

Soooo anyone having bump to baby pics? I'm tempted. I think this makes me a bad person confused

janey1234 Tue 16-Apr-13 17:11:09

What are bump to baby pics brave? I'm presuming they're not about the actual bit where bump becomes baby, as per hazle's post?! Is it just pics before and after? Am I a bad person for not knowing?!

BraveLilBear Tue 16-Apr-13 17:29:29

lol Janey Well I think that it's a photoshoot in pregnancy, followed up by a photoshoot with newborn and sometimes later.

Sort of arty stuff. I don't think that necessarily means naked. I think it was someone on here saying taking bump pics is nice as may never be quite the same ever again if stretchmarks take hold etc.

It sounds incredibly vain but I actually quite like my big tummy and boobs maybe because it is so different, and so functional, and well it's a massive milestone for me and for junior. Makes me sad to think that I might miss the chance to document this. But I think this makes me a really bad person certainly in OH's eyes !

HazleNutt Tue 16-Apr-13 19:40:22
MotherOfCleo Tue 16-Apr-13 21:31:25

Bit off topic but did any of you ladies with dogs notice they changed when you got pregnant? Mine is so so clingy, she brings all her toys to me, she follows me everywhere and she will only settle if shes on my lap. Its knackering! She hardly bothers with my OH, it was cute but now its starting to get a bit annoying, she literally has to be on me, my OH says to just push her off, but all that does is make her double her efforts to get back on. It would be ok if she was a little jack russell or something but shes huge now, shes kind of lab sized but on iccle legs. grin You tend to notice when three stone of dog is sat on you. blush

Cavort Tue 16-Apr-13 21:42:08

Hazle WTAF is that webshite??? It's horrendous! Who would post such pictures let alone doctor them?!! I am disturbed.

I have a friend who insisted on throwing a joint baby shower for my Sis and my other friend who were due 4 days apart. I was skeptical but it was just a female-only gathering with a few nibbles and copious amounts of wine for those who weren't up the duff. There was a no gifts rule and no games were played. We just had a good old gossip and a right laugh. The same friend has insisted offered to throw one along similar lines for me and my friend who is due 12 days before me so we have both agreed based on having such a good time at the last one.

Brave if you want the pictures done then bloody well get them done! Ignore what anyone else thinks if it's something you'd like for yourself. You can see it as a reward for the 40 weeks of sobriety shit we have to put up with in order to grow a baby.

I have't had anybody paying me pregnancy compliments and I now have cankles water retention in my ankles and toes, and a ridiculous line down my front. Needless to say, I will not be getting photographed!

Cavort Tue 16-Apr-13 21:46:59

Mother our dog was too young to notice a difference in his behaviour when I got pregnant. My friend said her dog got much more affectionate when she got pregnant.

If your dog is very clingy then it's probably best to somehow discourage her (although I don't know how) in case she gets too jealous when baby arrives?

Alexandra6 Tue 16-Apr-13 21:51:48

brave I'm planning to get bump and baby pics done! My step-dad is a photographer so I'll get him to do them (so not naked at all for the bump pics!! But still arty!) Will only put the baby pics up around the house though, rather than the bump pics, they'll be just for me.

Since getting my BFP, about three people have told me I look really tired on different occasions. So compliments aren't rolling in yet here! wink

Feeling really nervous about my scan on Sat. Excited but scared too.

HazleNutt Wed 17-Apr-13 06:55:25

cavort it's a nice website for learning how not to behave as a new parent. Nobody wants to see potty training photos.

Mother I haven't seen any changes with my dogs, and as mine are 40 and 30 kilos respectively, I would notice if they tried to sit on my lap. ONe of our cats, who normally does not like anybody but DH has been slightly friendlier though. Oh and one of the cats has been sleeping in the moses basket, there are some muddy footprints there - can only hope the baby is not allergic.

janey1234 Wed 17-Apr-13 09:08:15

I'm so jealous with all this talk of pets. I wish I had a dog, but DP less keen. Plus not sure now is the time to get one! Would love to though...

I am in a pregnant lady FURY today.

No-one offered me a seat on the tube, despite bump and baby on board badge (am fine with that - I'm capable of standing after all) but then when the person I was standing in front of got off the tube, some old boot barged me out of the way to take the seat. Anyway (and this really is most unlike me) I very loudly thanked her for being so "bloody polite, barging a pregnant woman out of the way". Everyone was staring at us, and she got up and let me have the seat. I sat down, really embarrassed, and slightly mortified over what came over me.

Am also not sure how much longer DP and I can sleep in the same bed for. He loves to sleep in the middle of the bed, leaving me down one side. But I'm starting to need more room than that (still not using pillows, but need carefully positioned legs to avoid pressure on the bump - which means I take up more room) which isn't really working for either of us. He woke me at 2am to ask me to move over (I was literally on the edge of the bed as it was) which put me into another irrational pregnant lady fury. I therefore moved into the spare room, and once I got back to sleep two hours later, slept very well with a whole bed to myself! Has anyone else considered separate beds or am I just being incredibly grumpy this morning for the late stages of pregnancy?

HazleNutt Wed 17-Apr-13 09:24:19

janey nothing wrong with what you did, even if you don't need to sit, many pregnant women do and pushing a pregnant women out of the way is never a reasonable behaviour.

No need for separate beds here yet, we have a super-king and we both sleep nicely on our respective sides. DH has the habit of wrapping himself in the covers like a swiss roll, but I'm hot all the time anyway, so at the moment I don't mind. But if you sleep better in the guestroom I would certainly do that - sleeping is getting more and more difficult at this stage, so whatever works.

janey1234 Wed 17-Apr-13 09:30:41

Ha just got a text from my Mum, reminding me that her and Dad are coming to stay tomorrow for a week. Due to loft not being done, and lodger not having moved out yet, we've only got one spare bedroom at the moment so that's my plans for more sleep ruined! I think I'll stay there tonight though to try and get one decent night's sleep....

BraveLilBear Wed 17-Apr-13 11:13:07

Thanks for that link Hazle - will check it out when not in the office lol wink

My friends had problems with one of her dogs when she got pregnant, he regressed a bit and started messing in the house and constantly fighting with the other dog and generally a nightmare. They even planned to get him rehomed. For some reason, the place it was being rhomed too wasn't ready, so the dog's still there. Fortunately, he's now calmed down - I think as hormones have dissipated a bit - and he's behaving again now.

Fair play for pregnant fury Janey I hope that person felt terrible. I'm going to London for a day next week and will be looking forward to getting my BOB badge - even though it's pretty pointless now as bump speaks for itself most of the time.

As for bedroom antics, I'd hate to have to sleep separately, but we do still have a single bed in baby's room (currently used by DSS when he comes) and this might stay for a while even after we sort out back bedroom into double guestroom (for DSS and guests). So it'll be an option, especially when OH goes back to work.

My OH is a bit of a bed and covers hogger too, though since bringing in the extra duvet to lie on (clearly demarcates the centre) he's been less land-grabby.

janey1234 Wed 17-Apr-13 11:20:32

I have to admit for being a covers hogger. So I end up with LOADS of covers (all over the floor!) and no bed. You'd think we'd both learn to share! blush I hate the thought of separate bedrooms too, but also hate the thought of crap sleep for the next 12 weeks. Although I suspect that will be the case regardless....

HazleNutt Wed 17-Apr-13 12:23:31

I've developed a new craving - rhubarb. The trouble is that my favourite is of course rhubarb crumble and it's way too easy to make. I really should not tell DH that he should get some more rhubarb for this evening, right?

janey1234 Wed 17-Apr-13 12:27:55

Hazle - it's one of your five a day, of course you should! Is practically good for you...

Oooh, I wonder if that old wives' tale that you crave foods according to the sex is true then - that you crave sweet stuff for a girl, and bitter/sour stuff for a boy. Rhubarb is quite bitter.

Not sure what that says about what I'm having though, about two weeks ago I wasn't particularly hungry and DP was out, so for tea I had pickled onions followed by a chunk of easter egg...

HazleNutt Wed 17-Apr-13 12:45:28

I'm sure rhubarb is good - not so sure about the health benefits of the crumble though grin
Baby hasn't changed my tastes too much, except that I've started eating chicken again after 10 years. He luckily seems to mostly crave fruit, DH is dragging those home by truckloads. And I can't wait for the cherry season.

I think my dogs and cats are far too stupid and/or selfish to have noticed that I'm pregnant. I had to store our pram and car seat at my Mum's though as the cats kept sleeping in it and it was getting a bit hairy - to my mind though Hazle that will PREVENT the child developing allergies, early exposure and building up their immune system and all that wink

I did retreat to the spare room for a couple of nights when my itching was at its worst so I didn't keep OH awake all night but most of the time we're still managing fine as our bed is king sized and I don't take up much room just most of the covers but he doesn't mind that because he's a warm person. I think if you need your sleep you should go for it, it's only temporary and you need the rest.

I don't know about the gender thing but I've certainly had more of a sweet tooth since I've been pregnant so maybe there is something in it?

janey1234 Wed 17-Apr-13 12:58:16

hazle I think the 'badness' of the crumble is more than made up for by the 'goodness' of the rhubarb. Plus if it's homemade there are no real 'baddies' in it anyway, just a bit of sugar and butter. Oh lordy, I'm going to be making a crumble tonight, aren't i?!

purple - how is the itching now btw? Is the medicine helping at all? have they got to the bottom of what it was?

BraveLilBear Wed 17-Apr-13 13:01:24

Mmmmm did someone say crumble?!

Crumble and custard is my favourite. Quite liked it before, but have had the odd craving for it.

Oh god I'm going to have to buy some on the way home now!

I don't know about that theory Janey tho pickled onions are totally yum smile I'm mainly craving sweet tasting things, so fruit and veg. Preferring sweets (especially chewy, jelly type berry flavour ones) over chocolate, and have gone off dark chocolate (used to be a monster for it) in favour of milk chocolate (which I used to hate).

Read an interesting theory that related to the weight of your OH and the sex of the baby yesterday - apparently in a scientificy study in Sweden, 100% of the men who had daughters put on weight during the pregnancy. But only 2% of those who had boys did.

I've not shared this with OH, as by that theory, it's a girl grin

HazleNutt Wed 17-Apr-13 13:02:37

rhubarb crumble is best when made with brown sugar. And served with vanilla ice cream. just saying..

yes purple, aren't you still waiting for some test results?

HazleNutt Wed 17-Apr-13 13:04:37

Brave that's an interesting theory and certainly works in our case - DH is one of those annoying people who can (and does) eat like a horse, and never puts on any weight. hmm

Cavort Wed 17-Apr-13 13:50:30

It's sweet stuff all the way for me at the moment and a crumble sounds lurvely! My latest desire is for Muller Fruit Corners. I hadn't had one for years before getting pregnant but now I need at least one a day. I suppose it's not the worst thing in the world to crave, although I am still getting through the sweets and chocolate as well. blush

Both DH and I have acknowledged that we aren't too far off needing to sleep in separate beds until the birth but I don't think either of us wants to leave our lovely comfy king size for a temporary single bed. It will be a battle of wills to see who cracks first. grin I would say I get first dibs on the double being pregnant, but DH does work very long hours at the moment (he left yesterday at 7am and got in at 10pm, same again today) and so needs a good nights sleep. We might have to toss a coin.

I think you acted perfectly reasonably on The Tube Janey. People are just inconsiderate tossers sometimes.

And I do hope you aren't still itching like a tramp's vest Purple.

Alexandra6 Wed 17-Apr-13 15:52:03

This thread makes me hungry. Meant to be working from home but is it bad if I take a break to make crumble?!

I can't stop eating cream crackers with cream cheese, I have scoffed about 15 triangles in two days.

By the OH/weight theory, we're def having a girl wink although he works in media so I reckon it's more to do with all the media lunches - steak etc!

janey1234 Wed 17-Apr-13 16:03:55

Ha, alex - that would mean we are too! For the first few months DP was growing a tum to match mine, although thankfully I've left him behind now.

BraveLilBear Wed 17-Apr-13 17:14:51

Snap Janey and Alex! My tum has now outgrown his, and he's just started running again after a long break <I'm disturbingly envy of this>

So he may yet lose it by the time that BB arrives... god knows how that will impact the theory - we'll have to wait and see!

Worked out today that I'm planning to work til 37+4. Anyone else know when they're finishing? I kind of think that that's a bit early as I'm sure BB will come late and don't want to waste Mat Leave pay on twiddling thumbs and housework. But I know I'll be both a) knackered and b) huge by then so I may not be much use at work...

Cavort Wed 17-Apr-13 18:49:45

I am officially starting maternity leave at 38+2 but taking 2 weeks leave first so i'll be off from 36+2. I was up for working longer but was talked out of it by recently pregnant friends who assured me I would feel like crap by that point. hmm

If we still manage to go to Newquay for a week in May (dependent on DH's job, we may have to cancel due to his current high workload - boo!) it means I only have 25 working days left until I finish. grin

Yes that's right, I'm STILL waiting on tests results, have no idea if they're going to ring me or what, seeing midwife on 29th for them to take more blood to test again so will ask then. The itching is still most definitely there, it's unpleasant but seems to be more manageable since the drugs, certainly not a miracle cure but enough to let me sleep through it so I'm grateful. Feel slightly sorry for the people who have to sit looking at me scratching away at my desk all day like a mangy flea ridden dog, bet it makes them itch too.

My OH was a chunky monkey anyway so I'm not sure if he's got fatter or not, you'd think he was pregnant though the amount of ice cream he's getting through.

I've booked my maternity leave to start at 38 weeks Bear but since they might induce me as early as 36 -38 weeks depending on my bloods that could be subject to change!

Oh I had the PGP clinic today as well, biggest waste of time ever, was utter crap and I had I to walk bloody miles to get to it because our local hospital has chronic parking problems so it actually made my hips hurt just getting to it!

HazleNutt Wed 17-Apr-13 20:03:23

I'll probably have this baby right at my desk hmm
There's no official leave before birth, so I'll get a doctor's note if I'm not feeling up to it any more - realistically, that would simply mean that I'll work from home.

Cavort Wed 17-Apr-13 20:51:13

sad angry Hazle

janey1234 Wed 17-Apr-13 21:12:04

I was planning to work until 38 weeks too but to be honest I'm not sure I'll manage an hour on the tube twice a day in July heat. I'm starting to hate my commute already so heaven only knows what it will be like when I'm even huger (made up word? Who knows. Am losing my mind). So I think 36 weeks. Longer if I can stand it.

Poor you hazle. You could just mail your work round to us all to share out to take the pressure off - I'm pretty sure that I've demonstrated my high-flying lawyer-like capabilities with the excellent use of the word huger earlier... blush

HazleNutt Wed 17-Apr-13 22:08:30

Ah it's not that bad really - if it does get bad, the doc will happily give me the note and I'll work from the pool grin

BraveLilBear Thu 18-Apr-13 10:29:41

Grr at rubbish hospital parking making you feel worse Purple... and I hope you get those test results soon. As a matter of fact, you may well be making them feel itchy, recent research showed that people can 'catch' an itch if they see someone else itching, especially if the 'receiver' is prone to neurotic thinking wink

This morning's news is brought to you be scary pelvic pain that's been going on for 16 hours - started with a dragging, slightly pulled feeling, now is achey with occasional stabby pains in the downstairs regions. Have taken the bus today and trying to rest it as much as possible in the hope that it just goes away...

HazleNutt Thu 18-Apr-13 10:34:31

Ouch Brave. I guess nothing you can do except rest?

BraveLilBear Thu 18-Apr-13 11:47:10

That's my first port of call Hazle wink just taking it really easy today, got two buses all the way to work, rather than getting one part of the way or walking the whole hog (2miles) and will make sure I sit nice and straight with my knees together <finally learn to be ladylike lol>

It's not really sore, but it is quite niggly, and on the same side as night-time hip problems so hoping it's just temporary and not an indicator of PGP!

How are you today?

HazleNutt Thu 18-Apr-13 12:12:21

Oh I'm fine, no problems - well, no pregnancy-related ones. Everybody keeps telling me about someone else they know who is pregnant and all the issues those people are having - by the sound of it, most people really seem to have a really miserable time when pregnant. So in comparison I should not really whine that I'm huge and have nothing to wear, as that's pretty much the only issue I have..

By the way, how far along is everybody now and when are you having your next appointments or scans?

30+6 here and will have a scan next Thursday. Where I will probably hear if the baby is big or massively big.

I'm 29 weeks, we don't get any extra scans after 20 weeks here Hazle unless they think something needs monitoring. My bump is measuring small but JUST made the line that meant I didn't get referred for a growth scan. I'm in a race with you for the first Elderberry baby, you're due date is first but I could be induced any time from 36 weeks depending on how high risk my blood results are so we'll have to just wait and see!

Sorry you're aching Bear, put your feet up and lie on the sofa and get your OH to make you a cuppa when you get home.

BraveLilBear Thu 18-Apr-13 12:27:39

Thanks Purple I will grin - it dawned on me this morning that you have the totally unenviable position of being our resident expert on both PGP and OC shock poor you! Hope your sense of humour at least is relatively unscathed so far!

I'm 26+3 here, next mw appt at 28 weeks on May 1. I'm likely to have another scan due to low placenta, but that's not confirmed yet - should be around 32-34 weeks.

EDD July 22.

Yes, I have that unenviable postition tbh I'm sure there are things I could have that are a lot worse! As long as the baby is ok I'm still definitely keeping my sense of humour about it all. Just very mildly envious of and VERY impressed by Hazle's pregnancy superwoman status grin

janey1234 Thu 18-Apr-13 13:06:40

What a fab way of looking at it purple. smile

I've got a scan booked in at 34 weeks due to BP/urine issues diagnosed by the consultant, but that's over 5 weeks away. Quite looking forward to having another little peek, but apparently it's much harder to see things than at 20 weeks as they just get body parts (rather than an actual baby) on the screen.

Think i've been incredibly lucky with a v.healthy pregnancy too. Couple of minor annoyances (BP/protein urine) but nothing too bad. Having said that feel like I need to vom with the heartburn today. Apparently you get it when the baby is growing hair - I think I'm going to be giving birth to a monkey!

Cavort Thu 18-Apr-13 13:15:48

Sorry to hear you're in pain Brave. I hope taking it easy allows it to ease off a bit. Resting certainly makes my little bit of SPD better so FX your is the same.

I am 30+1 and next MW appointment is on the 29th. Like Purple said, I will also not be getting any more scans unless a problem crops up, which I'm assuming in my case might be that the awkward baby is not head down at 36 weeks.

I am off to an optional antenatal class this afternoon on writing a birth plan. So far my whole birth plan is, "remove baby from my body in a fast and pain-free manor," so hopefully I might have something more constructive to add after this afternoon. I've heard that some MW's don't even read them but seeing as work have to give me the time off I thought what the hell, I might as well do it.

BraveLilBear Thu 18-Apr-13 14:11:41

Lol at image of baby being removed in a Downton Abbey style pain-free manor grin

Don't worry about me - I'm just a bit uncomfortable. I promise to adopt Purple's admirable stance on not so mild misfortunes on this fun journey grin

janey1234 Thu 18-Apr-13 14:45:10

Poor brave though - you've certainly not had it easy to date.... sad

Cavort - apparently it's also useful to write stuff on there you might not remember after the agony chaos of labour - like whether you want the baby to have a vitamin K injection or not. Talking of which, thoughts everyone?

I thought they gave that automatically these days to every baby Janey? It's especially important that mine has it due to my stupid liver and I have to take vitamin K tablets from 30 something weeks and have a special injection after birth to stop me bleeding as this liver thing stops your blood clotting properly or something. I don't know if it's all related to my liver/blod clotting issues but I have some SPECTACULAR bruises all over my thighs which I have no idea how I've done them, I mean my legs are absolutely black so I guess I'm bruising easily since I've no recollection of how they would have got there. It doesn't really hurt but looks like I've had a hell of an accident or I keep threatening OH that I'm telling everyone he's a wife beater if he displeases me in any way

janey1234 Thu 18-Apr-13 16:05:00

I thought so too. But saw a debate on here the other day and some people decline it due to one study (from what I've read it's just one study and hasn't been shown in any others) that linked it with childhood cancers. I think other studies have disproved this (or at least not been able to point to a link), and generally, I'm the kind of person that thinks that I trust the NHS more than I do Dr.Google... But I know some other people feel very strongly about things like that?

HazleNutt Thu 18-Apr-13 16:39:07

My birth plan will just say that yes, I do want whatever I'm asking for during the delivery and get me the fucking epidural!.
I've heard tons of stories from mums who started with birth plans requesting essential oils and whale song only, but quickly changed their minds.

HazleNutt Thu 18-Apr-13 16:50:19

found some nurses commenting on birth plans:

The people who come to the hospital and won't let you do anything to them. No saline lock, no vitals, no vag exam, no fetal monitoring. NOTHING! I feel like asking them "Why didn't you just stay home?"

It involved an African birthing swing. Unfortunately there are no trees on L&D to hold it up.

Giving birth in a pool of dolphins. yes I understand they are sweet creatures but still

"We do not wish you to circumsice our son without first discussing it with us." - Oh thank you, I always arbitrarily pick out boy babies to circ, and I spirit them away in the dead of night when you are sleeping. Bwa ha ha ha ha!!!!

laparoscopic c-section

I had a patient request that images of rainbows be hung all over the labor room so she could visualize herself transcending through the different color levels when she was experiencing pain. She also asked that the nurse massage her clitoris during her contractions.

Cavort Thu 18-Apr-13 17:00:42

Lol at nurse to massage clitoris during contractions (why not her OH?)

We are going to allow the Vit K injection. I've done some Googling and to my mind there is not very much evidence to suggest it isn't safe.

BraveLilBear Thu 18-Apr-13 17:03:37

We'll be calling you blacknbluemonster before long at this rate! Bless you. At least you get blackmail rights out of it though. Every cloud??

I never knew anything about vitamin K - never even knew they jabbed newborns at all tbh - til very recently. It's up there with the whole 'injection for afterbirth' thing. It's a total mystery. Logically, it seems bizarre that they do this, although many children would have been perfectly happy without this in years gone by. But then it's weighing up risks isn't it.

If someone said 'if your baby doesn't have xyz done immediately or it will die' I'd say yes without hesitation. But without risk/benefit data I'm not seeing the necessity... (unless there were birth injuries or a traumatic/lengthy birth process). Seems cruel to welcome a baby to the world with an alien piece of metal. Maybe if it wasn't given so soon after birth (apart from necessary cases) I'd feel different.

Will see what the healthcare professionals have to say when it gets raised along the way...

Definitely something for the birth plan though. I plan to have things like 'OH to stay with baby if mum and baby are separated' and 'skin to skin asap with either mum or dad (or both)'.

BraveLilBear Thu 18-Apr-13 17:07:53

Lol at clitoral massage - I have heard of that before actually, on another site I used to comment on (completely unrelated to any of this, I might add), someone said that their OBGYN (was an American) had massaged clitoris when in worst pain, which was amazing.

It does make perfect sense, especially if you believe that female orgasms were invented for such that purpose (ie relieving pain and increasing contraction strength) but surely this is where DIY is the only excusable option (and even then, who'd do that in a room full of strangers wearing latex gloves??!)

janey1234 Thu 18-Apr-13 17:19:31

WTF? Clitoral massage?! I know nothing about this orgasm theory but can't imagine anything worse than anyone 'having a go' when I'm in labour?!

HazleNutt Thu 18-Apr-13 20:37:31

yup I think that massage will be on the same list as "decorating belly with painting on henna tattoo". Meaning that um..thanks but no.

If anyone even tries to touch me like that when I'm giving birth I'm so breaking their fingers.

Alexandra6 Thu 18-Apr-13 21:40:45

I'm with you on that one purple.

There's a thread with people talking about raspberry leaf tea and how it helps with labour, a couple of them seem to swear by it and had "easy" (relatively!) births. Do you think there could be any truth to that?

Cavort Thu 18-Apr-13 21:53:15

The MW who took my antenatal classes said she didn't think Raspberry Leaf Tea could/would start labour/contractions, but she thought if you took it regularly in the weeks leading up to the birth it would soften the cervix and make you dilate faster. My friend has given me some she had left over and I tried a cup (which didn't taste too bad) so I might just give it a go anyway. Even if it's a load of rubbish it can't hurt.

The MW who took the birth plan class today was a different one to the antenatal class MW but was also gushing about the wonders of hypnobirthing. I had decided not to do the classes but I think I am going to splash out £12 on something like this which also can't hurt.

BraveLilBear Fri 19-Apr-13 10:25:03

I think Raspberry Leaf Tea is meant to help tone the uterus so that contractions are much more effective.

Sooo does everyone have that Friday feeling today?
<Not that Friday feeling, you dirty minded bunch...> wink

I am SO glad it's Friday, with one thing and another (bank holidays, illness etc) it's the first full week I've worked in a while and I'm shattered! Can't wait to not have to get up early in the morning.

BraveLilBear Fri 19-Apr-13 11:24:11

I hear you Purple! Fair play to you for making it through...

I can't wait for today to be over. Totally had enough of people being stupid at work and have a tame hen do to look forward to tomorrow, then my brithday and a two day week as have booked three days off next week. Feels a very long time coming after having to cover for all my colleagues over Easter when I was the only one in!

Alexandra6 Fri 19-Apr-13 11:38:17

So glad it's Friday! Have a great birthday and enjoy the days off brave I've actually started to look forward to my first scan tomorrow so the excitement has suddenly taken over the fear and nerves!

Someone in my office has come down with a measles like rash and her family all have it apparently so, as I've never had it, I'm hoping she doesn't have it and it's something else!! Am irrationally annoyed with her as she was sure she is immune and went to visit her family without telling me after I asked her to warn me (she's a teensy bit annoying even without the measle-like rash tbh!)

Cavort Fri 19-Apr-13 11:41:59

Morning all. I completely agree, thank Crunchie it's Friday!

For those of you who are struggling to, ahem, 'go,' might I suggest a dose of nerves to sort it out. I hadn't been properly since before Spain and no amount of fibre was working until I had a meeting this morning with 2 of my Directors which I knew would result in an arguement. Sorted my problem right out! blush grin

BraveLilBear Fri 19-Apr-13 12:33:59

Oh Cavort poor you! But, hey, least it solved one problem grin

Hope you won the argument...

Fx that selfish lady hasn't brought something nasty to the office Alex. Make sure you wash your hands before eating etc to minimise risk. And it's worth finding out what it is, too...

Am actually working my birthday (Monday) but don't mind as it means I have a super long weekend next weekend - Wednesday to Sunday, woop!

Cavort Sat 20-Apr-13 08:32:46

Ok, so last night one of my nipples leaked in bed shock shock shock Has anyone else had this yet?

Despite previously reading that it's normal I was still quite shocked and a bit disgusted to be honest.

I was laying on my left side in a sort of recovery position and this must have been squeezing my left boob because when I moved it was all over my arm.

DH says I should be pleased that things seem to be working as they should, but I didn't particularly want them to work for another 10 or so weeks hmm

I then had very strange boob-related dreams and kept waking up all night to check that my leaky norks hadn't flooded the bed blush

HazleNutt Sat 20-Apr-13 10:03:32

I've had a couple of drops, but certainly no soaking.

Talking about that, just ordered a couple of nursing bras - no chance I could find anything close to the recommended size here in France, so got some from http://www.nursingbra-shop.co.uk/. my hospital list recommends 2 sizes up from current, people on MN mostly said back size down, cup size up - almost had a fit when I realized what sizes I therefore had to order. shock I will look absolutely ridiculous!

Cavort Sat 20-Apr-13 10:45:50

Hazle my back size hasn't gone up so do you think I should still go down or just get my normal size in a bigger cup? Or leave it to see if my back size goes up in the next 10 weeks? It occurs to me that I might have to get some kind of bra to sleep in from now on if i'm going to have a leakage problem so I suppose I may as well get a nursing bra which I can use afterwards as well.

HazleNutt Sat 20-Apr-13 11:04:54

I would wait a few more weeks before buying, in case you do grow. But if you haven't grown then I would go for just your normal back size. My ribs have expanded quite a lot - in such case it's apparently normal that they'll go back down quickly as well.
As you're in UK, I would probably get one of those to start with:
www.nursingbra-shop.co.uk/search.asp?types=Bravado as the sizing is flexible, and buy more later when you know what size you need.

Well at least you know they work I suppose, I keep looking at my nipples suspiciously but they've not done anything untoward yet.

janey1234 Sat 20-Apr-13 11:39:43

Me too purple. Keep checking but nothing to date. Have bought a lovely waterproof mattress cover on the advice of a friend though - maybe I ought to start using it?!
Very impressed with your fully functioning boobs though cavort. Mine are just massive and pointless still.

Cavort Sat 20-Apr-13 11:51:09

Mine have been pretty inconspicuous to date until they decided to reveal themselves in all their fully-functional glory last night. They even lulled me into a false sense of security by refusing to grow at all, making me think they probably wouldn't even work when the appropriate time came.

As a result I have also been looking at waterproof mattress protectors. If they leak now what are they going to be like afterwards so I figure it's probably wise to get one. And I don't want to ruin the mattress if my waters go in bed. They seem to be around £40 for a decent one which doesn't rustle. Having a baby is soooo expensive!

HazleNutt Sat 20-Apr-13 12:35:30

a friend recommended the disposable changing mats instead of waterproof covers for this purpose. If you leak, you can just throw them away and don't have to strip the whole bed and wash the waterproof cover.

So these Braxton hicks thingies, what do they feel like and how painful are they? I've had this funny pain on and off all day but its getting pretty bad (doubled over on the sofa whenever I'm confident OH can't see me, he'd only fuss) is this just another pregnancy nasty I should get used to or should I be worried? I never know what's proportionate as I'm not one for making a fuss unless I think I'm actually dying and it's not THAT bad!

HazleNutt Sun 21-Apr-13 18:22:46

hm sorry no personal experience, as I'm not sure I had any, but according to google, they should not last the whole day or make you double over in pain. Can you call your midwife just in case, or that NHS non-emergency number?

janey1234 Sun 21-Apr-13 18:55:40

What does it feel like exactly? Are you ok? Mine have been more uncomfortable than painful...

Cavort Sun 21-Apr-13 19:19:30

Arse Purple, you really are going through the mill in this pregnancy! sad

I have no idea if it's BH I've been having, but I would describe mine as tightenings rather than pain at the moment. I've had a few random shooting pains though but not that many. My Sister said her BH were mega painful towards the end.

I'm no expert but if I had pains like yours I'd probably text my MW or give NHS Direct a ring to see what they think. I get what you're saying about not making a fuss and it's probably nothing, but it's probably wise to ask a professional opinion bearing in mind you're waiting on test results for other issues which may or may not be related.

I'm ok, It's not that painful all the time, only thing I can relate it to is period pain so it's like a dull ache most of the time with occasional flares of stronger pain but they don't last too long. It's not like I'm writhing round in agony just when it's bad it's making me catch my breath and clutch my stomach for a few seconds (well not really stomach, lower down under bump) but then it settles down again. I'm sure it's nothing, just wondered if anyone else had had similar.

Cavort Sun 21-Apr-13 19:37:33

Ah right, well in that case I have had very dull period type aches for my whole pregnancy so far. They are very dull and not painful, although I am aware of them. Maybe just see how they are over the next few days then?

Well apparently I wasn't managing to groan on the sofa quite as quietly as I thought and I got caught so OH got all naggy and fussy and phoned the midwife. They're not too worried and said it 'could be anything' and to take some paracetamol and ring back if it gets more painful/frequent so you see, I was right not to fret.

On a completely unrelated note, the days of my tummy button being an 'innie' are numbered, it,a definitely on the way to being an outie, I have to admit I'm slightly freaked out by this and keep trying to poke it back in even though I know it's completely futile grin

janey1234 Sun 21-Apr-13 20:57:46

I think I'm a teensy bit jealous purple - mine is just getting deeper, wider and more cavernous. Not what I expected?!

Hope that the pains are indeed nothing and easing off a bit now. You're having more than your fair share of rotten luck pregnancy wise!hmm

HazleNutt Sun 21-Apr-13 21:15:24

Like my arse everything else, my belly button is just getting wider as well.

I'm now getting worried about not having braxtons, as apparently those are practice contractions. Why isn't my uterus practising??

I'm not sure my uterus is practicing either Hazle, midwife wondered if achy pain was pgp related and stabby pain was baby pressing a nerve, she didn't think it was BH. How come my button is turning inside out then? No fair! Mine got wider and more shallow but now is poking out a bit at the top, maybe it's because my torso is so stupidly short that the baby is having to poke outwards as there's no bloody room anywhere else.

Cavort Sun 21-Apr-13 23:09:22

Mine is still an innie but getting more and more shallow so I can see that it will probably be an outie before 40 weeks. hmm My friend's has been an outie since about 15 weeks so shouldn't complain really although I inevitably will, and will also moan like hell when the first stretch mark appears.

Hazle you're probably are having them but can't feel them. Some women can't apparently. Mine are barely noticeable and I'm not even sure that's what they are. My uterus might not be practicing but my boobs definitely are. confused

HazleNutt Mon 22-Apr-13 10:24:31

Had an anesthesiologist appointment this morning. The French really like to use the health insurance money in full - appointment consisted of me filling in a health questionnaire and then the anesthesiologist asking me the same questions again confused . I could have just sent the form in.

He got DH absolutely convinced that of course, everybody takes an epidural, no reason not to! True, about 70% of French women do, but he also claimed that there's no higher rate of interventions and epidural does not slow the labour down - well, not exactly correct according to most studies I've read.

We will go see the maternity ward in a few weeks, will ask if they actually have statistics about their epidural and intervention rates.

janey1234 Mon 22-Apr-13 10:37:36

Interesting, we're told here that it can slow labour down, and that it does lead to a higher risk of forceps/ventouse because you can't feel where/how to push exactly? I was actually looking up NHS stats last week for a friend, and was looking up what proportion of women in NHS hospitals get the pain relief they ask for. In the hospital I'm going to it's 81% (vs the other hospitals near me where it's consistently a worrying 60-odd percent) but scarily that still means that one in five women can't have the pain relief they'd like. Argh! Guess it all depends on what happens on the day and if they're too busy to give you an epidural. So I think here at least, you can plan on what you want, but always need to be flexible as to what might happen on the day....

All starting to get very real now. Keep hearing too many stories about people who give birth at 30 weeks and realising how disorganised we are! Just bought some nappies, lanisoh, cotton wool etc in my next ocado shop - but then realised that even though we'll now have nappies, we still won't have a roof! Here's hoping this all goes to plan and baby stays put for some time yet.

Have to say I'm not loving his/her new habit of kicking/hitting my cervix. Doesn't feel lovely tbh. I do, however, love feeling movement in general. Went to see a beautiful three week old baby yesterday, and the whole time I was holding it the baby was kicking. Made it feel very real suddenly!

Wow, they really do seem to be rather...thorough over there Hazle!
Well whatever was going on yesterday seems to have magically disappeared today, if only all unpleasant pregnancy symptoms were so easy to get rid of grin no dull throbbing ache, no stabbing make you gasp pains, nothing! (well, I say nothing, aside from the hips, the itching, the heartburn that feels like it is actually melting my chest, ya know, the usual!) so perhaps the midwife was right and the baby was just leaning on something she shouldn't have been and has kindly decided to move? Whatever reason from the 'it could be ANYTHING' midwife diagnosis, I'm most pleased that it has stopped.

You're still more organised than me Janey if it's any consolation, we have no nappies (or anything else much!) AND we're living in a building site. I don't know how your loft conversion is going but since you have actual real builders I guess it is actually going...whereas, in our house there seems to be an awful lot of chin scratching and measuring and not a whole lot of action! And I have the added drama of possibly being induced early, the poor mite could end up sleeping in a drawer wrapped in one of my jumpers at this rate!

HazleNutt Mon 22-Apr-13 11:00:21

At least he said that they do the mobile epidural here, where you can still walk around. I'm pretty sure I would not want one if it meant I would have to stay in bed and have the baby flat on my back - gravity is there for a reason.

janey1234 Mon 22-Apr-13 12:06:53

Yeah they do mobile epidurals at my local hospital too - they're supposed to be sooo much better (if you can get one in the UK that is!)

Purple - glad you're feeling better smile In terms of our loft, we had steels, wood etc delivered the first week. Work began the following week, so have had two weeks of proper work. Was up there at the weekend - the stairs are now in, the floor, and the wires for all the electric sockets and lights, the pipes for the plumbing etc. The roof is being felted this week, and the windows going in this week, and plastering starting at the end of this week or start of next apparently! He's adamant they'll definitely be finished by 17th May but seems to think they may well be done sooner. Am sure there's lots of chin scratching going on in our absence but have to say that so far I'm very impressed with the rate of progress. Fingers crossed it carries on going this smoothly!

You have stairs! I'm so jealous! I've got steels, uprights and about three floor joists hung at the moment, no windows, floor, stairs, walls, electrics, insulation, plumbing...plastering seems like a very distant dream indeed! I think mine will be done by May as well, May 2014 grin

I have to say, I also don't like the idea of being stuck flat on my back giving birth, it just doesn't seem natural somehow. I'm still holding out hope for my water birth as that's also supposed to help if you've got PGP so fingers crossed.

BraveLilBear Mon 22-Apr-13 12:39:32

Afternoon all from birthday towers grin

Soooo.... round up: Don't ask me why I did, but I squeezed my nipples a week/ten days ago and some liquid seeped out. Was very shock and smile at the same time! But proud to say, the puppies are playing nicely and only misbehaving on demand as yet

Belly button is a flatty sometimes, and a bit outie on others. I think the position the baby's in has a big impact - when baby's back is facing belly, button goes out from the pressure, I believe.

Personally I like playing with my belly button at the moment, because it doesn't hurt anymore! I have a very sensitive belly button usually, although it is colured blue most of the time these days, like a bruise.

Have realised that I usually don't feel BH - just occasionally I notice everything goes rock hard. The times when I've felt them, I think they're more likely dehydration pains or ligament pains. The dehydration ones are very very sore - Purple make sure you're getting enough fluid just in case that's what caught you the other day!

Another plus one who hates getting kicked in the cervix, bowel and bladder - I think Baby Bear actually kicked a pocket of trapped wind this morning. Ouch!

Also... nearly had a nasty fall yesterday. Came in from the garden and stumbled on a doorframe or something or other. Lost balance and started tumbling forward. Usually, my self-righting mechanism would take over, but I was literally being dragged down my heavy belly and I very nearly ended up going head first into a kitchen cupboard if not the flooor. Took me fully 5 metres to regain my balance. The weirdest feeling ever. And quite scary. I must have looked like a drunk T Rex.

Impressed at the prep work going on - we've started a full-scale attack on the garden in a bizarrely procrastinatory move...

janey1234 Mon 22-Apr-13 13:01:25

grin at drunken T-rex comment, but shock at near miss. Glad you're OK.


I second the dehydration pains - ouchy - and I drink a whole pint of squash every morning before I leave for work now, just in case I have a busy morning and somehow don't drink enough. Have learned from experience that it's not worth it!

HazleNutt Mon 22-Apr-13 13:02:19

Happy Birthday T-Rex! thanks

Happy Birthday! I'm TRYING not to laugh about your inebriated T-Rex impression, honestly I am, I'm sure if you'd actually hurt yourself I wouldn't be sniggering so that makes it ok right? Have a low alcohol wine from me as a birthday treat.
Thanks for the tip, don't think it's likely to be dehydration with me, I drink enough to swim in most days but I'll definitely keep an eye on it just in case. Think I spend more time in the ladies than at my desk sometimes but I must be very well hydrated grin

BraveLilBear Mon 22-Apr-13 14:27:31

Lol at moving desk to the loo in bid to get more work done while staying hydrated wink

Thanks for the birthday cheer. Glad I can spread some mirth... was definitely a near-miss. But lessons learned - basically, I just couldn't get my legs far enough under my bump to counteract gravity.

I informed Mr Bear of this development and later that day he removed me from forking duties because 'all that pounding can't be good for the baby'. So maybe some good will come of my Jurassic Park style floundering!

Anyone heard how Alex's scan went Saturday...?

janey1234 Mon 22-Apr-13 14:31:47

Yep, I did. Not sure why she's not been on MN... but was all good. Cute little pic, strong heartbeat, all looking good smile

Also - I've heard from our old chum quod. She's pregnant again and may well pop over to see us all here soon. Excellent news I'm sure you'll all agree smile smile

Alexandra6 Mon 22-Apr-13 14:50:28

My scan went really well, was amazing! She picked up the heart beat straight away and I was so happy I got the giggles and couldn't stop laughing so she kept losing the baby on the screen as my stomach was moving! DH just sat there shell shocked but happy, saying over and over again "wow, it's amazing!" However when he left, he said in the car "Did you see that strong heart beat? Going to be a great footballer". Men.

Oh and it MOVED!! She kept saying "did you see it twitch?" and I really couldn't, so kept saying "erm..kind of" but then right at the end it did a definite little twitch!

Happy birthday bear! So glad you caught yourself. Not laughing AT ALL about you being a drunk t-rex tee hee hee

HazleNutt Mon 22-Apr-13 15:13:55

Congrats Alex! Just wait a few more weeks and that little bean will be jumping around like a kangaroo!

BraveLilBear Mon 22-Apr-13 15:15:24

Yay! Great news Alex so happy for you! How far along do they think or is it a bit too early to date still?

And more great news for Quod as well! Fingers crossed smile

Alexandra6 Mon 22-Apr-13 15:18:57

Thanks hazle! Only three weeks to my NHS scan, can't wait to see it again (and get further along so we're even safer). Someone said it's a good sign of brain activity if you see twitches at this stage so I've decided we're having a genius baby although I've since googled and it's quite usual for them to twitch! So now we know we're having a genius child who's great at football grin

Congratulations Alex! It's so much easier to relax once you've seen a heartbeat.
And thanks for the news on Quod, I often wonder how she's doing so I'm thrilled to hear her good news, I'll be worrying myself sick crossing everything for her for sure.

Alexandra6 Mon 22-Apr-13 15:23:24

Cross post sorry bear - thank you! My dates were spot on - because of the clomid I was monitored so closely and know exactly when I ov'd and I'm 8 weeks 4 days now smile DH and I had such a lovely weekend knowing all was ok. We babysat our little nieces yesterday and took them to the park and DH was having a great time on the climbing frame etc - he was having as much fun as the kids!

HazleNutt Mon 22-Apr-13 15:44:09

One of the things I'm definitely looking forward to is that I can buy and play with all the cool toys and pretend I'm just spending quality time with DS grin

janey1234 Mon 22-Apr-13 15:48:16

I know purple - I too am worrying for her. Will be so nerve-wracking until she passes the 12 week scan point OK. Having been through pretty much the same as her I know I relaxed loads after 12 wks so hope she can too. Talking of which, Saturday was the due date of my first pregnancy - it was all pretty strangely emotional to think I would have been celebrating a first birthday around now of a child, whilst carrying one. But time really is a great healer - am in such a better place about it all than I was 12 months ago.

Random aside.... Does anyone know what happens with bonuses whilst on maternity leave? I get a small bonus currently, which embarrassingly I generally don't even notice. However a few hundred quid here or there would be very bloody useful when on £135 a week. Someone at work said that she thinks I still get it - do you know if that's just the company being nice (ie they don't have to, so could easily just not bother) or whether you're entitled to it? Really don't mean to sound greedy, just trying to figure out how skint I will be to manage my money.

HazleNutt Mon 22-Apr-13 15:51:52
janey1234 Mon 22-Apr-13 15:53:57

Damn it. So sounds like they don't have to pay me anything, except for half one month's bonus (relating to the first two weeks of compulsory mat leave). Here's hoping they continue to be nice and pay me just for the hell of it...

janey1234 Mon 22-Apr-13 15:54:08

Oh, and thanks hazle

flowers Janey, and this is exactly why I try not to moan about all my little pregnancy gripes and illnesses, because I always remember how lucky I am that so far my baby is healthy even if I am not.

Alexandra6 Mon 22-Apr-13 16:31:39

That's a lovely thought purple smile I tell myself how lucky I am every time I feel pukey and exhausted!

Yep, and I think about all of the little things I'm going to really appreciate once I can do them again too, things like putting my own socks on without wincing in pain and making weird groaning noises, running up stairs, walking fast and for more than five minutes, wearing clothes that actually fit and of course, having a lovely chilled glass of wine. This pregnancy stuff is all temporary and I'm assured will be well worth it in the end (we'll just have new things to bitch about by then like lack of sleep grin)

BraveLilBear Mon 22-Apr-13 16:57:28

Absolutely Purple and Alex. Due date ghosts must be very difficult to deal with - our friends were, at one point, due on my first EDD (now been put back a few days), which I found very difficult to get my head around in early pregnancy - but having got this far I feel much better about it.

I just feel so enormously grateful to have this beautiful, wiggling little monkey doing her/his thing inside me, and I just hope I continue to give it a good home til it's time to be evicted (both in pregnancy and real life lol!)


On the bright side Janey if you get a payrise while on mat leave, you're entitled to get it even while on mat leave, IIRC. So maybe every cloud??

Alexandra6 Mon 22-Apr-13 17:02:15

Wine and camembert! Drinking at weddings! Oh and brie! (there is a bit of a theme about the things I'll really appreciate!) Well worth the wait though smile

janey1234 Mon 22-Apr-13 17:07:55

Oh purple I do that too! The noises I make whilst putting my tights on in the morning are NOT glamorous. DP can't stop laughing at all the grunting I do these days, and it's only going to get worse! It's just weird how uncomfortable bending forward has become.

Having said that, I wouldn't change a thing. Just hope all goes well for quod this time and that she pops by to see us all soon. I think she may well do after she's had an early scan.

I am STARVING today. Am hoping this isn't going to last for the whole of the third trimester or I will be one of those women who moans for having put on four stone or something ridiculous when pregnant...

HazleNutt Mon 22-Apr-13 18:22:42

Oh yes, the most difficult exercise at the gym nowadays is getting my sneakers on.

Cavort Mon 22-Apr-13 18:39:59

Janey Beyoncé has said she put on 4 stone while pregnant and look at her now so I'm seeing that as reason not to worry too much about weight gain and just go with the flow although celebs obviously aren't real people and she probably had a team of staff around her pummeling her back into shape.

Totally shit about the bonuses isn't it? I get quarterly performance-related bonuses so it adds insult to injury that I won't be able to do any 'performing' for the company while on Mat leave through no fault of my own. I do however intend to fully take the piss by DH using my free company car fuel to do the daily 100 mile round trip to his office and back to compensate for my wanky maternity package and lack of bonus which does make me feel somewhat better.

Is Quod pregnant? How far?? And how have I managed to miss this??? Wonderful news if she is, I still feel really sad when I think about what happened at Christmas. Would be lovely to see her over here.

Happy Birthday Brave! I hope Mr Brave is spoiling you! grin

janey1234 Mon 22-Apr-13 19:40:03

I saw a post of hers on the pregnancy topic, and replied. So no real idea of how far along she is, but it is indeed fantastic news. Am so happy for her.

Excellent idea re company car and petrol!! Am very jealous of that. I obviously won't be using my work iPhone for any personal calls or texts whatsoever whilst I'm on maternity leave wink

Quodlibet Mon 22-Apr-13 21:41:36

Ahhh, I popped over to lurkily see how you are all doing and you are all busy worrying about me!

I am indeed a very surprised 6 and a bit weeks pg currently - we hadn't been making any significant TTC effort and were slap bang in the middle of moving house, so it's all a bit of a headspinner, but I am coming to terms with it. Off to the docs tomorrow, to hopefully get referred for an early reassurance scan. Annoyingly I've had to change doctors now I've moved and fear that the reassurance scans may not be so forthcoming in this rather less salubrious area of London! Anyway, we can always cough up for one if need be. I am trying to be relaxed about it all and quite honestly am not overly wound up, surprisingly, although it hasn't really sunk in at all with either me or DP - I think we are both just trying to ignore it a bit on one level and get some early weeks under our belts.

Anyway, nice to see you are all doing so well, apart from Purple and her itching sad

flowers lovely to see you Quod, I am SO thrilled about your news, please keep us updated on how your doing, I'll only worry otherwise!

I meant you're obviously not your, I'm not illiterate honestly, it's this stupid feckin phone.

Cavort Mon 22-Apr-13 22:32:45

Hi Quod and massive congratulations on your surprising but absolutely mega wonderful news! grin You go kick some GP butt and get yourself that early reassurance scan. Make stuff up if you have to grin

Cavort Mon 22-Apr-13 22:33:12

Oh, btw I am Rache1S in disguise

Alexandra6 Tue 23-Apr-13 10:51:25

Hi Quod, congratulations, that's fantastic news for you (I'm a friend of Janey's and newly knocked up, just had my 8 week scan). Keeping everything crossed for you smile

HazleNutt Tue 23-Apr-13 11:36:55

It's getting warmer and as we are all bigger, finding something to wear becomes more of a challenge. So I wanted to share the following advice I found on internet:

How to dress for your shape: are you human-shaped? play up your confidence and natural sex appeal by wearing whatever the f*ck you want.

As the weather gets warmer, continue to wear whatever the f*ck you want. Flaunt everything or keep it cool under cover.

How to get a bikini body:put a bikini on your body

HazleNutt Tue 23-Apr-13 11:49:43

Another thing I found, obviously American, but here's a list of things we as first time pregnant people are supposed to be doing:

So how many can you tick?

janey1234 Tue 23-Apr-13 12:19:22

hazle that's hilarious - will be following those fashion tips to the letter!

In terms of which I've done, I think it's a mixed bag. Definitely asked Dr.Google things, but haven't had a single bump shot done. Mostly no though...

Apart from looking on the internet and having to phone the midwife a couple of times I haven't done any of these things and given how they reacted when I did phone them about the itching, I don't think it was a silly 'first timer' thing to do so I don't think I'm doing too badly. I'm still happy eat my steak mooing rare, I haven't bought anything a load of crap I don't need, I am not forcing anyone to come to a naff party and give me presents <shudder> and I'm still managing to stay up until gone 11pm every night. Is my medal in the post? grin

BraveLilBear Tue 23-Apr-13 13:32:57

Bonjour! And hello Quod! <waves enthusiastically> got everything crossed for you smile

Cavort Mr Brave was indeed very surprisingly nice yesterday... not only did he get me a lovely necklace as a gift, he also made me a home-made hunters chicken for dinner and even provided a small chocolate cake! Was very bowled over by it grin

Also got a pack of cocoa butter creams from my 10-yo DSS - I need to find a way to thank his mum (altho part of me worries that it's because she knows how neurotic Mr Brave is about stretchmarks and she's either taking the mick or being very empathetic!), that was really a very sweet present.

Have a few ticks on the list Hazle... have taken a couple of bump shots, only cos it's so amazing to see this weird blob instead of the flat bits I'm used to. Am basically living on the internet, mainly follow all the food rules (tho have been a bit more chilled out recently after learning them in more detail), am totally fretting about delivery - aren't we all? And, I keep thinking 'I don't see how I can get any bigger than this'... although I did thin I'd be bigger at 27 weeks than I am. Will not be having any parties though. Na-ah.

Does everyone have sunshine today? It's nice grin I can hear lawnmowers outside and everything

BraveLilBear Tue 23-Apr-13 13:35:10

When I say bigger, I mean more rotund. The weight gain keeps weirding me out. I don't appear to get more rotund, but the scales say 'oh yes you have' shock

All worth it though grin have spent the morning in meetings with Baby Bear constantly wriggling away. Can't say as I mind wink

Quodlibet Tue 23-Apr-13 13:42:58

Thanks all. Nice to meet you Alex and also nice that there's someone here who is still 'early doors' as it were! Was your scan a reassurance scan or did you just choose to have one early?

LOL at Hazle's bikini body advice.

MotherOfCleo Tue 23-Apr-13 14:05:16

Hi quod, so pleased to hear your news!!!! smile I'm quite early on too, 12 weeks tomorrow. Cant wait till Monday for the scan grin

HazleNutt Tue 23-Apr-13 14:13:57

Oh I'm so going to have a bikini body (at least til end of June). They can feck off with their horrible maternity swim suits.

I've done the googling, but otherwise I feel like a neglegtful, indifferent mother already, as I'm not planning to have any gender reveal parties; I eat pretty much whatever I fancy and I am certainly not doing any henna tattoos to celebrate my belly, like another list recommended. How horrible is that, tsk tsk..

MotherOfCleo Tue 23-Apr-13 15:27:39

I'm not doing any of that stuff either, if anyone wants to throw me a baby shower then I'll have one, if not I am not fussed at all. I'd rather see people when bubs is here! I'm not doing a gender reveal either, tbh I'm about 75% 95% sure it's a girl anyway, much to my OHs slight irritation wink I don't know why, I just have a feeling. I am already showing....eeeek, I have a quite pronounced 'mini bump' now which is becoming trickier to hide hmm at least after Monday I won't have to worry about hiding it anymore! wink

According to the internet, I'm carrying a 3lb cabbage, it looks quite small in the picture, if that's the case I demand to know why I permanently seem to have at least one knee or elbow poking out of my side in a weird lump. If it's only cabbage sized it can surely keep it's bony bits to itself instead of trying to jab holes in me with them alien style?

HazleNutt Tue 23-Apr-13 16:03:47

I've discovered a problem with not having that many pregnancy-related issues. I keep forgetting I'm pregnant. Then walk past a mirror, see this huge bump and have a mini panic attack - OMG I'm going to have a baby! Why? What will I do with him?? grin

MotherOfCleo Tue 23-Apr-13 16:39:40

purple and hazel you guys make me chuckle! Purple your alien comment made me chuckle smile the thought of being poked by little boney limbs is a weird one though confused guess I'll have to get used to it soon enough. Hazel I forget too, my mum touched my belly when I was on the phone the other day and said I was showing, for a couple of seconds I was really confused.....doh.

BraveLilBear Tue 23-Apr-13 16:44:08

Purple could be worse, could be Gangnam style wink

Has anyone else found their little one going for flurries of activity, like mini raves in one corner, then a few lazy tumbles, followed by another flurried pulse of mayhem??

Tis very weird. I think I'm just feeling much much more now, but it does feel bizarre.

Hazle with your no gender reveal parties, no henna bump celebrations and your keep forgetting... thank god you're not in America - they'd probably deport you for nonconforming or somethingwink

Alexandra6 Tue 23-Apr-13 16:45:51

quod my scan was an early private scan, was only £75 and well worth it as I've been feeling really anxious. I don't know what NHS is like but there was a huge screen on the wall to see it and the woman was lovely! However my GP did say suggest that she refers me for an early scan (said she might have to tell a white lie and say I'm having pains etc) as she knew I was anxious, I just had the private one as we could do it on the weekend at a nice place.

DH and I were laughing at my bump last night (it's all swelling as I only have a green olive right now according to my app) but I def already have a little bump!

Cavort Tue 23-Apr-13 16:54:22

I definitely can't forget I am pregnant today, my bloody pelvis is killing me! It seems to have got much worse overnight and walking is really quite painful today. Purple have you got any SPD/PGP alleviation advice or shall I just resign myself to moaning for the next 9 weeks?

I also have a bikini body after shoe-horning myself into one of my normal bikinis last weekend in Spain. I think it's the first time I have ever worn a bikini without feeling the need to suck my belly in while walking around, it was quite refreshing. grin I am also refusing to buy a grossly overpriced maternity tankini. I shall just continue to hang out of wear my normal selection in the local pool and if I end up with a water birth then I don't suppose I will particularly care at that point if everything is on display.

Hazle I can tick more than I'd like to admit to off that list. I am obviously just a mug blush Lol at your realisation that you're having a baby. I keep doing the same. My Sis says she keeps looking at her own baby in her arms and doing it! smile

janey1234 Tue 23-Apr-13 17:04:05

I know what you mean hazle, a couple of times I've caught a glimpse of my reflection and thought "this top makes me look huge" then realise why... duh...

brave - hilarious re gangnam style, properly laughed about that at my desk!

Some annoying bint at work just asked me how pregnant I was, then started banging on about me being the same as the "other kate" (my name is kate) - kate middleton "but it's weird, as you look properly pregnant, and you can't even tell with her. You're much, much bigger!". Urm, thanks, that's made me feel better. Thankfully another colleague told me I looked like Kate Moss compared to Kim Kardashian, who is apparently about as pregnant as me too - a much more preferable comparison!

It's just so weird that just because you're pregnant people feel they're entitled to comment on your shape and size?

alex - I was like you at 8 weeks - but for me was def bloat as was still the same at about 14 weeks. It's crazy how much it affects your body from day one...

Alexandra6 Tue 23-Apr-13 17:06:32

I'm going to Spain at 18 weeks, hope I can get away with my normal bikinis then. Can't wait to let it all hang out and not have to do any sucking in after lunch! grin

janey1234 Tue 23-Apr-13 17:12:26

OMG I can just imagine how much you're going to be eating alex wink. By then you'll, I think, have a proper bump rather than bloat - am sure you'll look lovely in your bikini as you don't have flab like me, and hopefully won't get a revolting brown line like your belly like I have

Waterproof mattress cover is now on bed. DP was hilarious as we were putting it on, saying helpful things like "so when are they going to leak? Will it just ooze out, or be like a jet going everywhere? will you be awake or asleep?" Urm, I don't know any of this, but thought it better to be safe! Accidentally had a little squeeze on boobs, prompted by our lovely chats, and there was nothing. Nada. So I have massive boobs for absolutely no point whatsoever it would seem....

Alexandra6 Tue 23-Apr-13 17:17:23

A jet going everywhere? grin Yes he'd better take cover and sleep with a brolly facing towards you!

Cavort Tue 23-Apr-13 17:19:39

Janey I had to walk through a big open plan office at work yesterday. At one end I got, "My goodness, you've really grown over the last few weeks and you're really quite big now." By the time I had walked to the other end of the same office I got, "What a petite little bump you have, you must be so pleased?" I can only assume this particular office is like that corridor in Alice in Wonderland which makes me look 10 times bigger at one end than I do at the other. grin I think the correct response to comparisons to both Kate or Kim should be met with open-mouthed silence followed by a swift poke in the eye. grin

Cavort Tue 23-Apr-13 17:23:01

Janey my DH says he is considering sleeping in a life jacket following the other night's leakage incident confused

BraveLilBear Tue 23-Apr-13 18:00:11

Lol at the leakage prevention measures!

I had a look earlier (please don't ask me why I do any of these things...) and inside my white bra there are tiny little yellow marks, presumably from random acts of seapage!

Not enough to warrant pantyliners-for-boobs yet, but still. Quite remarkable!

One word on Gangnam babies... Ally MacBeal. <does evil laugh at putting image in your heads>


janey1234 Tue 23-Apr-13 19:13:42

Just checked my white bra - nothing

My boobs don't work! <wails>

Cavort Tue 23-Apr-13 19:39:28

Only one of mine works confused

janey1234 Tue 23-Apr-13 20:43:17

Hilarious cavort! Still, one is better than nothing... wink

My boobs don't work either, they're not doing anything at all. I'm sick of people commenting on my size as well, lets hope they're wise enough to stop when we've all had our babies, if I have to tolerate stupid comments about how fast or not I'm losing the weight post baby I might actually harm someone.

janey1234 Tue 23-Apr-13 21:25:31

Random question for you cavort... Do you know if which? review steam cleaners, specifically the Efbe schoff cleaner? My DSIL thinking of getting one... No worries if you can't be arsed to check obviously. Thanks thanks

Cavort Tue 23-Apr-13 21:45:00

Efbe-Schott? Janey?

Efbe-Schott Steam Power Mop SC15 review - score 59%

Efbe-Schott says its Steam Power Mop SC15 delivers 'outstanding performance and superb value for money' - but can it live up to its claims? The Which? cleaning experts put a range of tough stains, in the path of this steam mop to see whether it can really leave your floors sparkling. Read on for our verdict.

This Efbe-Schott Steam Power Mop SC15 may be slow to get going, but once it's up to temperature it leaves floors impressively clean. It pairs great cleaning with being easy to use, which compelled our experts to award it a good overall score. This model is definitely worth considering.

Adjustable steam
The Efbe-Schott produces steam at the press of a button, and the steam rate is adjustable. It is suitable for sealed laminate and tiled floors, and an alternative head is provided for the cleaning of low-pile carpets, rugs and carpet tiles. A lime-scale filter is also supplied.

You'll have to wait nearly a minute (52 seconds) to get steaming, which is a long wait compared to many other models we've tested. It can steam clean for about 25 minutes before the tank needs a re-fill, which is easy to do.

Muddy footprints were easy to shift from a smooth floor, but a textured floor presented more of a challenge. The same was true with dried-on pasta sauce. Sticky jam cleaned up easily regardless of the floor type. This mop leaves the floor quite wet after cleaning.

Doesn't get into corners
This Efbe-Schott mop is easy to use with straightforward controls, but is not easy to manoeuvre - the short power cable restricts movement somewhat. The mop reclines to clean under raised furniture, and the swivel action of the head, through 180-degrees, helps you get around obstacles. The mop glides smoothly but it is a noisy mop compared to others we've tested.

Annoyingly the cleaning pad does not reach right up to the wall edge or all the way into corners due to its shape. The microfibre cleaning pads can be machine washed at 60°C but did not wash well - they were grimly and stained after washing.

The handle height measures 113cm, and this mop is better suited to large hands. The power cord measures just over 4.5m which is on the short side, and the SC15 weighs just over 3kg with a full water tank.

The SC15 locks in an upright position for storage and the cord tidies away.

Pros: Good stain removal, easy to manoeuvre, lime scale filter

Cons: Slow to get ready, noisy, short power cable, cleaning pads don't wash well.

Efbe-Schott Steam Cleaner Transformer STCi 5Y review - score 42%

Efbe-Schott dubbed the STCi 5Y steam cleaner the 'Steam Cleaner Transformer', as it 'transforms' when you remove the body to find the tools, attach the shoulder strap so you can carry it around or connect the optional ironing accessory. But does this steam cleaner have the power to transform grubby surfaces into sparkly clean ones? Read on to find out.

Getting a lot of mediocre or poor scores across our tests, this steam cleaner is not a worthwhile purchase. We also have some concerns about the build quality of this model. Use our 'Compare features' tool to find a better steam cleaner.

What is it?
This is a versatile cylinder steam cleaner that has a full range of accessories to help you tackle all the jobs in your house, from cleaning the oven and windows to carpets, hard floors and upholstery.

This model also has a shoulder strap so you can carry it around on your shoulder when you're cleaning, making cleaning tasks a little more convenient.

Most cylinder steam cleaners spit water on starting up with a full tank of water - this model only spat for the first ten seconds or so, which is pretty good.

This steam cleaner comes with an optional ironing attachment, but it may be more convenient to choose a Best Buy steam iron instead - they're available for under £40.

What's it great at?
This steam cleaner is more energy efficient than most cleaners and the 1,200ml water tank will produce enough steam to last 28 minutes, which is better than average.

Is there anything I should watch out for?
Like almost every cylinder steam cleaner tested by Which?, it doesn't do a good job of removing dried-in wine stains from carpets.

The build quality of this steam cleaner is questionable. The plastic tube isn't particularly rigid - so it'll bend when you're putting effort in to scrub a stubborn stain from a surface. The plastic of the main body also felt flimsy.

In our durability tests, we found that after using it twenty times, the pressure dipped and the amount of steam produced dropped.

Should I buy it?
No. Its test scores are either mediocre or poor and there are better models available for a similar price.

It is worth noting that no cylinder steam cleaner we've tested has yet done well across all of our tests, so we have no Best Buys we can recommend.

We do, however, have Best Buy steam mops, and for the rest of your home there are Best Buy multi-surface and oven cleaners.

Do you own this steam cleaner? If you do, let us know what you think about it by clicking the Customer Views tab just above the picture.

Pros: Fairly energy efficient, long steam time

Cons: Bad at removing stains from carpet, questionable build quality, steam dropped off after repeated use.

Efbe-Schott Delta Head S HST 78Y review - score 64%, Best Buy

Efbe-Schott boasts that its Delta Head S HST 78Y steam mop is the bestselling steam mop in the UK. But is it popular for good reason? To test it out, our cleaning experts put it to work on a range of everyday grime to see just how clean and clear it leaves hard floors. Read on to see if it made the grade as a Which? Best Buy.

The Efbe-Schott Delta Head S HST 78Y steam mop delivers impressive cleaning when faced with tough stains, making it a worthy Best Buy. It's also quiet and fairly easy to use.

Continuous steam
This Efbe-Schott mop takes just under a minute to get ready to take on your cleaning, which is quite a long time compared to other models. Muddy footprints presented no challenge whatsoever for the Delta Head steam mop - it shifted them with ease. And although a little more effort was needed to clean dried-on pasta sauce and jam, the results were still great.

The Delta offers continuous steaming, and you can adjust the steam rate depending on how dirty your floors are. It is suitable for sealed laminate and tiled floors and an alternative head is supplied for the cleaning of low-pile carpets, rugs and carpet tiles.

It lacks a lime-scale filter or anti-scale cartridge, so is perhaps not an ideal choice for those in a hard-water area.

Doesn't swivel
The handle of this mop measures 131cm. It is easy enough to use the controls, but this is not the easiest mop to manoeuvre as it lacks a swivel head.

The head cleans almost up to the edge of the room, but leaves a small gap, and does not reach fully into corners. It can be reclined flat to reach under furniture. This Efbe-Schott mop glides smoothly and is very quiet while in use.

Good quality cleaning pads
The supplied re-usable cleaning pads are good quality and well made, and attaching them to the mop head is easy enough.

The cleaning pads can be machine washed at 40°C, but they do not wash well. After washing they still looked grimy and had lost their sponginess - there was also some shrinkage and stretching but they were still usable.

Light and long lasting
This is one of the lighter mops we've tested at 2.5kg with a full water tank. And you'll get a generous 30 minutes of steaming for each full tank of water.

Filling the water tank could be easier. You can't remove the tank from the mop body and the opening is quite tight fitting, so it is not ideal for those with restricted hand movement. The water jug provided does help.

The cord length is generous enough at just over 5m, and the cord tidies away, but the loose end hangs free as there are no cord clips. And although this mop locks in an upright position, it tends to fall over when the power cable is wrapped around it.

Pros: Impressive cleaning, quiet, fairly easy to use, lightweight, 30 minutes of steam on a full tank

Cons: Slow to get ready, lacks a lime-scale filter, filling the water tank is tricky

janey1234 Tue 23-Apr-13 22:04:52

Cavort, you are awesome. Quite frankly that sounds so dull it makes me want to kill myself, but DSIL will be thrilled. Thank you!x

Cavort Tue 23-Apr-13 22:10:32

I haven't read them. I think I would struggle to stay awake to the end. I have to admit Which? was a godsend when I was buying a new vacuum cleaner I am so dull sometimes.

Cavort, sorry I forgot your earlier PGP question, umm advice is don't stand on one leg, rest as much as you can, sit rather than stand, try to have good posture/balance your weight evenly, don't walk too much, try to keep your hips and knees square and eat ice cream whilst lying on the sofa. The last one seems to work best wink

Cavort Wed 24-Apr-13 10:42:00

Thanks Purple, the dog will be gutted at the non walking advice.

I think mine must have got worse because I am getting the ice-cream eating all wrong. I am eating it absolutely everywhere rather than just on the sofa wink

Alexandra6 Wed 24-Apr-13 10:50:29

Morning all! Can I just ask the more preggers ladies a boring work question? When I'm 28 weeks pregnant, I'm due to work on a show. It takes place over 5 days so I'll be travelling there daily (an hour on the tube each way), then there from 9-6 every day (longer if I have to go to any after parties). I usually run around the show each day so it's a lot of being on my feet. Work are acting as if they fully expect it to be business as usual - do you think that's perfectly manageable?

janey1234 Wed 24-Apr-13 10:51:49

Am I the only preggers lady to not be craving ice cream?

Home made scones, strawberry jam and clotted cream I am addicted to though. Healthy! Keep telling myself that it's ok because that's the extra 200 calories per day I need right there even though that's about 800 cals over budget

Good news though... I have realised that I appear to be over my fanta addiction. Hoorah! I don't think I've had any for about 3 weeks - miracle.

janey1234 Wed 24-Apr-13 10:56:46

Cross post Alex sorry.

Hmmm, in terms of legally, I'm not sure. But I had to have a health and safety assessment and one of the things they checked was that I didn't have to do much travelling or spend too much time on my feet. I'm 29 weeks now, and I think compared to lots of others, feeling very well for it - however I wouldn't have wanted to do five days last week on my feet - I think I would have been too tired. I had a weird thing last week when I was just totally exhausted (feel back to normal now, apart from yesterday due to bloody insomnia the night before) for a few days. Someone told me that happens towards the end when the baby has a growth spurt? Whatever it is, there is no way I could/would have done long days on my feet like that.

I think my work would have been nice about it, and would have told me not to go, or to go for reduced hours. They're pretty careful about health and safety stuff. But with your work - it doesn't sound like they'd be so careful. Maybe you should just wait and see how you feel nearer the time. If you think it would be too much, just tell them - or get a doctors note. Or sod them, call in sick, I'm cross with your employers right now so screw them! wink

Alexandra6 Wed 24-Apr-13 11:06:45

You're right, it's hard to predict how I'll be feeling isn't it? I'm a bit worried about my cervix as I had some removed years ago and they keep commenting on the scarring every time I have a smear but hopefully they'll keep measuring that and advise me on how much to be on my feet. Just don't want to take risks with wearing myself out either sad It's usually quite a stressful experience at the best of times!

janey if you keep talking about your homemade scones, I will force you to make me some wink x

I'm not really craving ice-cream Janey, I only have it occasionally (although I did have some last night), I have a one a day kit kat habit still though. My newest obsession appears to be jacket potato with butter and cheese, I've had one for my lunch EVERY DAY for the past two weeks and am not showing any signs of getting bored with it yet.
Alex, it's really hard to know how you're going to feel at 28 weeks - I couldn't have done it but Hazle might well have breezed through it, everyone is different, perhaps you need to manage their expectations and just make them aware that you might not be able to do it?

Alexandra6 Wed 24-Apr-13 11:12:34

Well they said if I can find free work experience, they could do some of the running around for me, so I guess I'll keep my fingers crossed I can find good people who will work for free and will be reliable! confused If it does get too much though, I will be firm/selfish about it, I know DH will make sure I'm being firm!

HazleNutt Wed 24-Apr-13 11:22:03

Alex as you said, you can't really predict how you'll feel - could be fine, could be impossible to manage. Your work should really take into account that you might not be able to do it and find suitable alternatives if this is the case.

janey1234 Wed 24-Apr-13 11:50:43

Oh, so you can find someone to do your job for free for you? Brilliant, that's going to be easy.

Today I think I'd be fine on my feet all day. A week ago, I wouldn't.

I'm of the opinion that it's their responsibility, not yours, to find a way of coping without you should you not be up to it at the time... But then again I am becoming a bit of a pregnant furious lady at the moment!

Cavort Wed 24-Apr-13 13:00:08

Sod your work Alex, you need to look after number one and mini number one. Decide a few weeks before whether you'll be up to it and don't feel guilty if not. And it's your employers responsibility to find a free skivvy replacement if you're not up to it, not yours. Your work are obliged to do continual risk assesment of your role. In all honesty I would have probably been up to doing that at 28 weeks, but now at 31 weeks there would be no chance due to my pelvis. I stood for 5 hours yesterday which I thought was ok at the time but I was in so much pain last night so it was obviously too long for me at the moment.

I am also off the Fanta Janey. It was getting a bit ridiculous so I decided to go cold turkey a while back and only have fruit juices and cordial in the house now. I might have the occasional one if we're in the pub.

I am eating a far bit of ice-cream though. Mainly mint choc chip. Mmmmm.

HazleNutt Wed 24-Apr-13 13:17:00

I've gone off Fanta citrus fruits in general, that I used to eat by truckload. It's pears now and can't wait til cherry season.

janey1234 Wed 24-Apr-13 13:57:25

I think all the advice is good alex. You won't know until you get there. As cavort says, three weeks has made a big difference for her. For me, I'd be fine doing it today, and would have been at 27 weeks, but felt a bit rough for a couple of days last week. But either way, it's THEIR problem, not YOURS if you can't do it!

Alexandra6 Wed 24-Apr-13 15:29:39

Thanks for the mint choc chip idea, yum the work advice, I will see how I am nearer the time and I'll make sure they at least compromise - reduce the time I need to be there, don't make me do too much leg work, that type of thing. The fact I'm paranoid about my cervix and funky uterus shape doesn't help! I will def put me and baby first (like I said, DH will make sure of it!)

My fruit obsession is melon!

HazleNutt Thu 25-Apr-13 09:36:13

Have you also noticed that your hair is a lot thicker? Maybe it's just me, because I normally have very fine hair, but I'm not losing any at the moment, so can actually make a real ponytail, instead of a normal rat-tail.
Of course, I'm sure it will all fall out at the same time, as I've heard will happen after having the baby, but at the moment it's really not bad looking.

janey1234 Thu 25-Apr-13 09:43:34

I have noticed it's not falling out as much. I too have really fine hair, but quite a lot of it - which means my hair is just more knotty than ever! Having said that, I prefer it as it is - am am dreading the big drop out post giving birth. My cousin thought she was going bald!!

Terrible night's sleep again, grrrr. I think maybe bump is just getting a bit big to sleep normally. Hazle, did you say you were sleeping with pillows, or was it someone else? Are you using normal pillows, or have you bought a special one?

HazleNutt Thu 25-Apr-13 10:07:52

I have one of those big breastfeeding pillows (got it from a friend) and it does help. Nothing fancy, similar to this:

Turning is getting quite uncomfortable - I usually first just lay there and think if changing sides is really worth the effort. grin And I still have 2 months to go!

Cavort Thu 25-Apr-13 10:28:58

I would say my hair is pretty much the same, although I have fine hair but lots of it as well so I'm glad it's not getting thicker. Both my hair and nails are growing mega fast though!

A friend from work suffers with alopecia and her natural hair is so patchy she is forced to wear a wig to avoid stares. During her last pregnancy all her hair grew back so she didn't need the wig and then it fell out again when the baby was about 6 months. Hormones are strange confused

Janey I sleep with a v-shaped pillow. One end under my head and the other end under the bump for support, which I think works pretty well. I've currently got another pillow between my knees though to try to ease the SPD, which is generally on the floor by the time I wake up.

Ah yes the 8 point manoeuvre just to roll over in bed, just another joy! My hair is definitely less greasy than normal but was already very thick so I don't think that has really changed.

HazleNutt Thu 25-Apr-13 11:34:18

I need the pillow between my legs and then under the bump - I tend to roll over to my stomach otherwise - well, as much as that's possible at this stage - and baby respons to being squashed with furious kicking, waking me up.

DH usually comes to my Bodypump classes on Thursdays, today he suggested that I should really go down with the weights I'm using. I'm not sure though if he is actually concerned about me or the fact that I still lift more than him grin

janey1234 Thu 25-Apr-13 11:46:14

Yes, that was the problem last night. Kept rolling over, kept getting kicked. Vaguely annoying, but actually pretty cute.

Hilarious re your DH Hazle! And can't believe you're still doing bodypump. Lordy, I couldn't be bothered to go up one more flight of stairs last night to see what the builders had done in the loft!

Cavort Thu 25-Apr-13 14:24:58

DH said I was thrashing around and grumbling in bed all night last night, which I don't remember at all, but I guess the quality of sleep I'm now getting is rubbish sad I am sat waiting in Kwik Fit and struggling to stay awake... the next 9ish weeks are going to be looong!

HazleNutt Thu 25-Apr-13 14:32:17

By the way, talking about sleeping, are you able to wake your babies up if you want to? I always read all those recommendations to change positions, poke and prod them, drink cold water etc - mine couldn't care less. If he sleeps he sleeps.
Must take after DH - I asks how i slept and I tell him that oh, the dogs were barking like nuts, so I let them out and then the cat pushed all kinds of stuff off the nighstands with almighty crash - he didn't hear a thing.

janey1234 Thu 25-Apr-13 14:43:59

Not really, no. He/she seems to wake up quite often when I eat, but I've had a couple of worried days when food/sweets/fizzy drinks haven't stirred them. Prodding and poking haven't worked once. I usually sleep bloody well, and so does DP. Vaguely worried we'll both sleep through the baby crying, as usually once we're asleep nothing wakes us!

janey1234 Thu 25-Apr-13 14:45:10

Oh and cavort - agreed. Ten and a half weeks to go - I'm really, really hoping it doesn't go as slowly as the first trimester... sad

HazleNutt Thu 25-Apr-13 14:47:03

Oh I wouldn't worry - apparently baby crying is a sound like no other:

Alexandra6 Thu 25-Apr-13 15:00:20

First trimester lasts a million years!! smile

Yeah I don't think it's possible to sleep through a crying baby! (kind of hoping DH can though as he'll still be going to work every day!)

janey1234 Thu 25-Apr-13 15:08:27

My cousin managed it. I went to stay with her when her daughter was about 8 months old, and she was very proudly telling me that her daughter had been sleeping through, without stirring, since about 3 months. Anyway, I shared a room with her daughter that night, who woke me approximately every 45mins whining and crying. At one point she was properly, properly crying, and eventually I got up and comforted her. Anyway the next morning, I apologised for getting up to help her - in case she was doing controlled crying or something. Turns out she hadn't heard a peep. Not a thing. All night. Thought she'd slept through, as "usual". Really made us laugh that she didn't have a brilliantly behaved baby after all, but instead the baby had a Mum who sleeps very well, and is a bit deaf.

My hearing isn't great, so I'm hoping I'll be the same wink

Cavort Thu 25-Apr-13 15:43:56

Mine doesn't seem to respond to prodding and poking but a sugar rush usually wakes her. When I have a whole bag of Haribo a fresh fruit smoothie it feels like she's somersaulting in there afterwards. grin

My DH is a much lighter sleeper than me so he's worried that the baby will wake him before me and he'll end up awake all night and knackered all day at work. I've tried to reassure him that hopefully that won't be the case, especially if I manage to EBF as planned then he won't be much use to baby in the night and he'll just have to give me a boot in the back nudge if I'm still asleep. He's lucky though because if he wakes in the night he can just go back to sleep instantly whereas it takes me ages to get back to sleep.

HazleNutt Thu 25-Apr-13 15:47:35

I'm, as said, the lighter sleeper and also the one going back to work. Our only hope is to get one of those miracle babies that sleeps through the night from 3 months onwards..

Cavort Thu 25-Apr-13 15:57:36

With the way your perfect pregnancy is going Hazle, I think you are lucky enough to get one of those really rare perfect babies envy

HazleNutt Thu 25-Apr-13 16:00:21

Nah, I can't have all the luck. I'll be punished with a baby like my niece, who finally started to sleep through when she was about 4.


Cavort Thu 25-Apr-13 16:27:48

4 years??? Well, I suppose once baby is here you can't exactly say you've changed your mind because it is a terrible sleeper, you're just stuck with it. hmm

Has anyone seen this site where you can see what your baby might look like?

I have just done ours and uploaded my picture to my gallery. I have no idea why mine seems to be wearing a turban and sari though? grin I will see how the real thing compares in 9 or so weeks.

janey1234 Thu 25-Apr-13 16:42:07

Absolutely pissing myself about your baby wearing a turban cavort, honestly, an am embarrassment at my desk. Has properly tickled me!
Cute though smile

Presuming you're going to choose a sari for that all-important going home outfit? wink

Cavort Thu 25-Apr-13 16:47:47

Funny you should say that Janey as I have obviously already bought a large assortment of traditional Indian dress for her. And not forgetting the jewelry she seems to be wearing confused

janey1234 Thu 25-Apr-13 16:53:53

OMG, I've just tried it. Quite nice pics of me and DP, yet horrendous offspring. WHAT HAVE WE DONE?! wink

Here's hoping it's a boy, not some hippy, pierced little girl... confused

janey1234 Thu 25-Apr-13 16:54:27

ps uploaded to profile so you can all look, laugh, and thank your lucky stars that you're not having a baby as ugly as mine wink

Cavort Thu 25-Apr-13 17:01:46

grin I think your offspring look fine Janey. At least yours don't appear to have confusion over their race grin

Alexandra6 Thu 25-Apr-13 17:02:33

Try mine!! wink Really hope this site is a load of crap haha!

janey1234 Thu 25-Apr-13 17:07:08

alex - your child is as bad as your cat wink

Am hoping the site is shite. Have sent a link to a colleague and asked him to put pics of him and his wife in - then we're going to compare to his 6 month old baby. God, if it looks like his daughter, I'm going to be really depressed....

Cavort Thu 25-Apr-13 17:10:03

Alex yours has got a hint of Paris Hilton going on there with the jaw grin

I tried it again and managed to get a more realistic one which seems to have DH's hair (if he didn't keep it short).

Alexandra6 Thu 25-Apr-13 17:12:32

I feel the need to sound really vain and point out that DH and I are better looking than this pic implies haha! So funny, all the pics really made me laugh especially the race confusion.

janey my cat is awesome.

janey1234 Thu 25-Apr-13 17:15:16

I know Alex and her DP in real life, and <whispers> they're really not that good looking at all....
JOKING. V good looking couple indeed. Although shame they're having a munter baby as am I, it would seem

Alexandra6 Thu 25-Apr-13 17:19:06

Is it wrong that I'm really defensive over my baby even though it's only a ridiculous website pic haha - will be gorgeous no matter what! and at least she's not wearing a ridiculous daisy chain around her head wink

It's addictive though - can't stop putting in different pics and seeing what the result is!

Cavort Thu 25-Apr-13 17:22:50

I have sent it to my newly-sprogged friends as well to see if theirs is similar to their actual babies which I sincerely hope it isn't.

I'm sorry Alex but your 'baby photo' nearly made me choke on my Ribena laughing!

janey1234 Thu 25-Apr-13 21:57:34

Thank god the experiment on my colleague proved that the baby morphs aren't accurate! His baby is gorgeous, and his morphed baby not great. The relief!

Alexandra6 Thu 25-Apr-13 22:18:59

Phew!! Haha

janey1234 Thu 25-Apr-13 22:24:12

Absolutely crying with laughter about these baby predications again - am actually wiping away tears.

Just showed DP our babies - he said 'but they're chavs!'

Cavort - he got a fit of the giggles about the attire of your offspring.

And alex, I hate to say this, but I showed him yours, and he was pissing himself and said 'what the fuck is that?!' grin

Alexandra6 Thu 25-Apr-13 22:38:13

I was showing DH just now too and I did a couple of close up pics this time, but I honestly forgot to change the skin colour so it was on the default dark and when it came up with an afro, DH was like "there will be some serious questions if it comes out like that!" haha!

I've uploaded another pic we've just done - looks absolutely nothing like us either, or the last pic! So funny.

Alexandra6 Thu 25-Apr-13 22:39:47

Also we'd better remove these pics ha - otherwise on other threads we post on, people might view our profile and think these are actually our children!!

Cavort Thu 25-Apr-13 22:44:30

These pictures are making me nearly wet myself laughing scary!

Alexandra6 Thu 25-Apr-13 22:56:00

They are scary, they don't look human haha!

Alexandra6 Thu 25-Apr-13 22:59:18

Is your last one a lovechild with Harry Styles?? Look at that hair!

I need to find some better close up, straight on pics to give it a proper shot although I'm questioning the accuracy of this site haha!

Cavort Thu 25-Apr-13 23:06:01

I think it's what my baby with Orlando Bloom would look like grin

I actually have RL nightmares that our baby will have hair like that as I suspect DH's hair would look similar if he let it grow. I have told him I will divorce him if he has passed his unmanageable hair to our baby girl which I will have to try to tame into some kind of style grin

Alexandra6 Thu 25-Apr-13 23:11:53

Good point, I have curly hair which I GHD a lot, so if I had to choose, I would save the child the GHD time and hope it has DH's poker straight, so-easy-to-manage hair!

Cheesy I know, but as long as it's healthy smile

HazleNutt Fri 26-Apr-13 08:27:09

We always want what we don't have. I have straight hair, the most I get if the weather is really humid (not UK humid, more like Singapore humid) is some slight waves. Had to google waht that "frizz" is that all women are supposed to be fighting. So of course I find my hair totally boring and hope that any kids will get DHs hair - he would have curls if he didn't keep it short.

Quodlibet Fri 26-Apr-13 08:56:40

I love these! I tried to do one because the instructions were to choose a photo where the face isn't covered by hair, and I have zero photos of my DP without his massive dark beard.

As long as our future babies don't inherit his beard I will count us lucky. Although I do quite fear that given how unfortunately hirsute we both are we may well end up with poor little wolf children.

Quodlibet Fri 26-Apr-13 08:57:19

Tried to do one and failed

janey1234 Fri 26-Apr-13 09:12:21

alex - what the hell is that second child all about?! Honestly, can't stop laughing.

quod - have you got a baby picture of DP you could use? I love these pics so much, want to see more!

Ankles are now officially cankles. angry They're so swollen since the heating was on full blast yesterday at work, on the warmest day of the year so far, grrr.They've gone down slightly after lying flat all night, but still look ridiculous - porky little looking feet and ankles.

Alexandra6 Fri 26-Apr-13 09:20:27

It makes it funnier if you use pics where the head is at an angle or DH is pulling a funny face! That site is hilarious.

You know what though, I was just thinking about one of my clients who had twins and one of them has a massive red birth mark across her whole face, must be tough. Really hope everything develops well with our baby.

Back to being shallow - hazle I am jealous of your frizz free life envy

janey1234 Fri 26-Apr-13 09:49:18

As a little aside, I've just been sent a link by the NCT to a guide they've produced in association with Which? about baby purchases. If anyone is interested - and I hope this works - here is the guide

Hazle - my hair is like yours. Even in Singapore (used to visit a lot as my brother lived there) it didn't even have a wave. Is sooooo boooooring....

Alexandra6 Fri 26-Apr-13 10:01:54

Another aside - a friend who is literally about to have a baby just pointed out babies need their nappies changed TEN times a day at first, wow! TEN! No wonder new parents look so exhausted wink DH and I have only ever change a nappy once, something tells me we're about to get a lot better at it!

She was also saying that after the birth there is a funny frumpy stage where you don't fit normal clothes but don't want to wear mat clothes. I am going to look HOT in my xmas pics this year! grin On the bright side, am going to a wedding at 12 weeks and I've bought a lovely Coast dress that will fit for that and is quite loose around the tummy, but I can still wear non-pregnant too.

janey1234 Fri 26-Apr-13 10:08:03

And they need feeding about 8-12 times a day for the first few weeks as well. And bearing in mind that some babies take up to an hour to feed... and then you have to change them... and then get them off to sleep... I think that explains why the first six weeks are supposed to be ridiculously tough - exhausting!

Yeah yeah you'll look lovely at the wedding. I, on the other hand, will be 32/33 weeks (wow, will you be 12 by then Alex? that's amazing!) and looking like a beached whale. How lovely. sad

Alexandra6 Fri 26-Apr-13 10:21:54

I do get the feeling some babies are 'easier' than others in terms of sleep/feeding etc, same with when they get a bit older I guess.

Technically I'll be 11+3 but I'm rounding up as part of being more positive! Poor us having to avoid the fizz at the wedding! wink Wouldn't swap it for the world though. And it's only 2 and a half weeks to my next scan! smile

BraveLilBear Fri 26-Apr-13 10:32:00

Morning all! So I pop down south for a couple of days and return to a proper rogues gallery grin

Will be eagerly going thru photos to find a stubble free one of Mr Bear to check out our likely progeny soon! I am at a slight advantage having seen how much his son looks like him, but still... grin

Was awake this morning at 5 as Baby Bear decided to play basketball in my insides for ages. Which was different!

Great news on Fanta addiction reversals. Re baby-waking tactics... this on got very very excited at Billy Elliott (musical) on Wednesday night- the Maggie Thatcher number at the start of Act 2 had junior literally head banging and doing the running man all at once for about 10 mins. ALso wakes up when I sit down to eat (random) and cold drinks do the trick too... altho it's default setting is uber wriggly at the best of times so could all be coincidence!

Re hair - head hair usually loses stacks (shower usually covered in hair) but now hardly any, and anyone else loving the leg hair stalling?? LOVE that! It's thinner, softer... I can easily now go a week without looking like a gorilla. This hair, however, seems to have crept up my body to my tummy...

Cavort Fri 26-Apr-13 10:37:22

I am going to a wedding at 39+3 confused I am looking forward to getting a nice outfit from a camping shop.

HazleNutt Fri 26-Apr-13 10:39:18

Brave same here with bodyhair, I don't have that much to start with, but it has almost disappeared. Another thing I'm not complaining about.
And DSis sent me several pairs of trousers and skirts from US, from this range:
Lot of the over-belly bottoms tend to be bulky and/or fall down, but those are very nice, can totally recommend.

Mmmm fizz, well you could have half a glass? Stupidly, although I've probably only had 4 small glasses of low alcohol wine during my entire pregnancy, now I'm not allowed just in case it breaks my liver any more, I desperately want an ice cold beer, just a little one, sigh, must be the sunshine.
In other news, the whole attic conversion thing is going a bit tits up, not unexpected on my part. We had the 'stairs' man come over who told OH the stairs can't go exactly where he thought, they need to go about two feet to the left. Sounds nothing but actually means they will cut the box room in half rendering it completely unusable for anything at all. So we've basically got to remodel the entire upstairs layout and move all of the walls around. The baby is due in less than ten weeks. Possibly a lot less. I now expect tone living ins building site until 2015.

I am still outwardly remarkably calm about these developments but it's with teeth gritted so hard I'm going to need major dental work and really, I desperately want to scream like a fishwife at him 'I fucking to you so you fucking idiot!' Whilst beating him to death with a blunt object. Perhaps THAT is why I really fancy that ice cold beer after all!

janey1234 Fri 26-Apr-13 11:11:03

Oh purple what a nightmare sad We awoke to rain pouring through the roof this morning, but at least all I had to do was call a builder, who came straight over. They're liable for any damage so it's easy to be calm! But if DP was doing it - well, suffice to say, I think you're a saint for being so calm about it all. I guess that ultimately though, the baby will come when it wants to (or needs to) and the loft will be done when it's done. No point stressing about what you can't change? I would be a right state though so just ignore my laid back attitude there!

janey1234 Fri 26-Apr-13 11:11:28

Oh, and I will indeed be having half a glass of fizz. And I can't wait! smile

Alexandra6 Fri 26-Apr-13 11:25:42

Oh purple that is a nightmare!! Just one thing - we had our surveyor over to look at our house recently (we're getting an extension built asap and I am really, REALLY dreading it) and we thought we might as well ask about the loft extension as we might get that done in a few years. Anyway he said we couldn't have a loft extension without losing half of the box bedroom, as the stairs would cut down into it. However our neighbours have just got their loft done (exactly the same house layout) and the stairs come down literally really neatly just outside the room, it's been done really well, so they have kept that bedroom. Is it worth getting a second opinion? Maybe not, but thought I'd mention it. Worryingly that surveyor is the one commissioned for our extension and he was wrong about the loft/stairs situ!

Oh and no fizz for me - am too paranoid and half a glass would only give me more of a taste for it! I'll make up for it around xmas! grin

Tbh I think the joiner is right, I've been saying to OH ever since he started this crazy bloody idea 'are you SURE the stairs will go there?' Argh! I feel actually violent, I wasn't worried if the attic wasn't finished as we still at least had out current bedroom which is relatively unscathed but if he's got to piss about moving stud walls it will be chaos. On the plus side (desperately trying to be positive here but actually boiling with impotent rage) if we,be for to move all the walls anyway we might steal some space from one of the bedrooms so we can fit a bath in our bathroom. Pfff I don't know about the wisdom of it all, the two double rooms are going to end up smaller (much smaller in one case) the box room is going to end up a ridiculous L shape and the attic isn't huge anyway. I wish he'd never bloody started it and I told him that at the time.

And another thing! I just changed the kids beds (because obviously even though they're not my bloody kids its my job because I'm the bloody unpaid skivvy) and one of them has spilt what looks like an entire glass of come all over the bed, probably weeks ago and not told me, they're bloody 13 and 15! you'd think they could be responsible. ARGH! Off to slam doors and vacuum violently.

Ahem, sorry, fat fingers and ragey typing make many mistakes. And it should say 'Coke' that they spilt blush

BraveLilBear Fri 26-Apr-13 11:44:59

Oh no Purple what chaos! No wonder you want that beer... Sending a magic wand and a can of Bass Shandy in your direction...

I had half a plastic champagne flute glass of prosecco on the train to London the other day. Was very nice. Followed by lots of orange juice, so didn't even feel guilty, for once...

janey1234 Fri 26-Apr-13 11:52:46

purple that is the funniest typo ever! Hilarious. And a whole glass full as well! grin

Bloody auto correct blush I'm sure my iPhone does it on purpose to humiliate me. It made me genuinely lol when I saw it though. Teenagers eh!

Alexandra6 Fri 26-Apr-13 12:03:07

Eek purple dreading my building work even more! I'm meant to be super healthy and pregnant so am NOT liking the sound of dust, having to stay with in laws, and trying to eat well without a kitchen! DH is really excited about it though and yes, it will look great when it's done. DH is already in trouble with me though as he asked for 4m on the planning permission, more than we actually want to go (3 or 3.5, max). His thinking: ask for more as they may knock it back a bit. The reality: neighbours on both sides have complained to the council, including the ones also getting an extension with us (sharing a surveyor) about our massive extension which was never actually going out that far anyway. And the planning permission is now taking ages longer and not approved yet. MIL said at this rate we will be a building site when baby arrives shock and do we want to stay with her with the baby when it comes home! I told DH, firmly, that it better be ready before then!

Alexandra6 Fri 26-Apr-13 12:03:54

ha didn't spot the typo, hilarious! grin

HazleNutt Fri 26-Apr-13 12:06:52

Purple I was almost sick imagining a glass of cum grin

But you do seem to be having all the fun with this pregnancy. Attic situation is a nightmare indeed, your OH better figure it out before the baby arrives.

Don't change the beds. You will have a newborn soon, you won't have the time and energy to be a full time servant to two teenagers (and your OH, by the sound of it). Of course they are old enough to change their own beds and do a lot more around the house - you're pregnant and need to take it easy!

BraveLilBear Fri 26-Apr-13 12:10:46

Lol x-posts! A glass of cum! I raised an eyebrow at that, trying to think how much effort it would take to generate that amount! grin

Alexandra6 Fri 26-Apr-13 12:21:25


I'm never going to live that one down am I? grin

Cavort Fri 26-Apr-13 12:35:22

Absolutely loving that auto correct Purple ! Although people in my office are demanding to know what I am laughing about. I agree with Hazle, at that age they can change their own beds while you rest your hips.

So glad I am not having these loft conversion and extension nightmares. You all have my sympathies.

Yes, I'm going to be having stern words with all three of them this weekend (stepson, nephew AND OH) and I'm washing the bedding but making them put it back on, I'm so not trying to crawl around a top bunk trying to put the bottom sheet on the size I am!

Right off for lunch with a friend so I can rant at her and give you all a break from my moaning!

BraveLilBear Fri 26-Apr-13 12:42:22

Have a nice lunch Purple fingers crossed you don't repeat your error in the cafe though... wink

janey1234 Fri 26-Apr-13 13:02:57

Yes, have a lovely lunch. And thanks for keeping us amused this morning!

Urm, right ankle really swollen, have creases on the top of my foot where it meets my leg as it's so swollen. My ankles were the only part of me to ever be properly and constantly thin, always said that my teeny (for my height) ankles and my wrists were a sign of a skinny bird desperately trying to get out. Alas, no more....

Alexandra6 Fri 26-Apr-13 13:14:06

janey are you still being checked for pre-eclampsia? Have they done your protein/bp again lately?

HazleNutt Fri 26-Apr-13 13:18:56

janey are you wearing support stockings? I wear either those or flight socks under my trousers and they really help against the swelling.

HazleNutt Fri 26-Apr-13 13:19:43

then again, I've always had cankles, even when slim, so probably wouldn't notice the swelling that much anyway hmm

janey1234 Fri 26-Apr-13 13:35:51

No I'm not Hazle - perhaps I'll put some on later. Hadn't crossed my mind! Both ankles were still swollen this morning though, despite having been laid out flat all night.

Alex yes - at least fortnightly. Next appointment on Monday. All was fine this time last week though, suspect it's probably just another bonus of being preggers...

Cavort Fri 26-Apr-13 15:12:28

I second the flight socks advice Janey. I wore the socks on the flight to Spain even though I thought my MW was being ridiculous insisting I wear them as it's only a few hours but my ankles still swelled slightly how wrong I was. I carried on wearing them for 3 or 4 days after I got back and my ankles went back down to pretty much normal size. I think some swelling is completely normal in the third trimester, but it's how to tell between what's normal and what's worth phoning someone over? I have still got some swelling I think because the tops of socks leave a dent now whereas they don't normally.

janey1234 Fri 26-Apr-13 15:20:55

On my trip to A&E they told me to keep an eye on the swelling, and to rush back in if it gets to the point where you leave a dent if you press on it with a finger, or if it's accompanied by vomiting (hence I was sent to A&E last time) or severe headaches or funny vision.

This is just plan, old, unattractive swelling I think. LOVELY.

Will dig out the flights socks later. DP is going to find me irresistible tonight!

BraveLilBear Fri 26-Apr-13 15:53:09

Oh Janey that doesn't sound fun. Might be worth calling MW if it gets any worse... Of course, after your OH has had the chance to lust after your beflight-socked status wink

Fingers crossed it comes down soon...

Just got back from the city centre (on leave today, lush) and have returned in a depressed state at the lack of available mat clothes on the high street and the fact that the place where I was going to get my nails done is closed. Also actually nearly cried when I saw how much Gaviscon cost in Tesco. Hormonal, much? smile

Cavort Fri 26-Apr-13 15:53:29

News article today on delayed cord clamping

I have got it in my birth preferences that clamping should be delayed until the cord has stopped pulsating unless there is medical emergency which requires clamping sooner.

Alexandra6 Fri 26-Apr-13 16:03:36

I'm the same brave with the hormones - just lurked on my old ttc thread and found myself in floods of tears! Part sympathy, part fear of being back there.

Had the wright stuff on in the background earlier (working from home) and someone was talking about a new thing where people keep their baby attached to the umbilical cord until it comes away on its own!! For like a week! Won't be doing that. But yes, must remember to put delayed clamping on my list along with skin to skin.

janey1234 Fri 26-Apr-13 16:06:04

brave - excellent use of the word lush smile. You know you can get gaviscon on prescription for free with your maternity card though? It's soooo expensive, and I'm getting through so much! Little tip though - I HATE gaviscon due to the texture, it feels a bit sticky and plastic-like and all very wrong, makes me want to vom. So if you're getting a prescription, and are not fussed for gaviscon, try asking for magnesium trisilicate. Does exactly the same, but is more watery somehow. Also tastes gross and weirdly minty, with a chalky after-taste, but for me is nowhere near as bad...

Yes, I'd been thinking about that too cavort, seems like a no-brainer. Can you still donate the remaining cord blood after this? Although is it true you can only do this in certain hospitals? As my aunty had leukemia, and her life was saved by the kindness of an anonymous stranger (none of us matched) I'd be keen to donate cord blood if at all possible. Really ought to read up on all this...

janey1234 Fri 26-Apr-13 16:09:24

Just checked, there are only six hospitals you can donate the blood in (they take the blood left in the placenta too, not just the umbilical cord, so doesn't sound like delayed clamping would affect it). Seems a bit useless really. Oh well.

But if anyone is interested, these are the hospitals:

Barnet General Hospital
Northwick Park Hospital, Harrow
Luton and Dunstable Hospital
Watford General Hospital
St George's Hospital, London
University College Hospital, London

BraveLilBear Fri 26-Apr-13 16:16:17

Thanks for the link Cavort will defo be pushing for that.

And will see if I can get a Gaviscon script from the midwife on Wednesday and will just be extra careful what I eat til then. I actually don't mind the liquid too much - texture is like calpol which I wrongly love

Just seen pics of the Duchess on the BBC website looking amazing on a tour of some film studios. Cried again. Am off to find some hobnobs, that'll make it all better, right?

janey1234 Fri 26-Apr-13 16:29:10

I bloody hate her <hopes to self that none of you lot are Kate M in disguise>

How bloody dare she look so bloomin' lovely. By this stage she surely ought to have reptilian, dry skin on her legs (preferably which is incredibly itchy too, hey), mahoosive leaking boobs, a transverse baby that makes her look more 'wide' than 'pregnant', swollen ankles and feet.. you get my drift.

Hmmm does that count as treason?!

BraveLilBear Fri 26-Apr-13 16:33:44

Lol - if it does, I'll come with you to the Tower grin

I'm usually a big fan, but my hormones have sent me out on strike today!

Cavort Fri 26-Apr-13 16:51:48

If any of us are Kate in disguise my money's on Hazle. None of the rest of us have been so problem-free like Kate seems to be. The whole France thing is just a front to throw us off the scent grin

I really hope Kate has some kind of non-visible pregnancy problem, like piles or varicose veins on her thighs, just to make her seem more normal. Evil, I know.

janey1234 Fri 26-Apr-13 16:54:10

Piles. Yes, piles. 'Tis only fitting she has them. Lots.

Oh, unless hazle is indeed Kate. Then I'd feel mean for having wished piles on one of our gang.

<whispers> cavort I think you might be right. Am going to start doing curtsies all over the thread from now on.

HazleNutt Fri 26-Apr-13 16:56:39

you mean "if any of us looks like they ate Kate" grin

She had HG that required hospital treatment, so we shouldn't be too jealous.

Cavort Fri 26-Apr-13 16:56:58

I haven't seen the news yet today but I will be watching closely to see if she's walking funny grin

janey1234 Fri 26-Apr-13 17:14:16

Yeah my DSIL was hospitalised several times with both of her pregnancies due to HG and it sounds horrendous. More common if you're very underweight or overweight apparently. DSIL is teeny tiny skinny, and the worry is then that you've no reserves to really keep you going. Ha, I wouldn't have had that problem...
But still hazle Kate M could make an effort to try to appear slightly less together and glam, just to make the rest of us feel a bit better wink

Cavort Fri 26-Apr-13 17:16:32

On a slightly different non-hemorrhoidal note, when do you think it's sensible to kindly request your OH refrains from getting shitfaced going out and rendering himself useless in the event that you should go into labour?

DH went out last night straight from work (he now has an office an hour away) and apparently got to bed (in a Travelodge near work) at 4am. First thing this morning he could barely speak as he was presumably still pissed and I just spoke to him and he sounds as rough as a badger's arse, having limped feebly through his working day and just wants to go to bed.

I don't have any particular issue with this per se (in fact I am quite jealous as I would kill for a night like that at the moment), but he does this a couple of times a month so how late in my pregnancy is it reasonable for me to say he needs to stay sober enough to support me in labour and have a contingency plan for getting back home if he is over the drink drive limit?

Ahhh that's better, an afternoon of driving around in the sports car with the roof down in the south Devon sunshine then a yummy lunch, much better than going to work. Just think, if you could only fit a pram in the boot I could spend the whole summer doing this... but you can't sad I will put it up for sale soon honest!

I have managed to avoid seeing a single 'Kate' picture this whole time, I do NOT need to know that the taller, thinner, prettier, swisher haired version of me also looks better than me pregnant. Although my mother tells me she looks fabulous. And thinner than me. Although that could be because she's been puking her guts up and I haven't <smug> and my hair would totally be as swishy as hers if I had a top stylist like she undoubtably has so there.

I reckon he's got time for a few more benders yet Cavort but maybe he could stay sober from about 38 weeks just in case?

janey1234 Fri 26-Apr-13 18:54:12

I think sober 36 weeks onwards. 37 is classed as technically full term isn't it? To be fair DP has been pretty awesome, has properly cut down on going out and barely does these days. In fact the only time he has in the last couple of months I had to call him home to come with me to a&e. blush

Cavort Sat 27-Apr-13 17:24:51

Hmmm, I think maybe staying sober enough to drive while away from home is probably sensible from about 36 weeks. If he's local I don't suppose it really matters if he's over the drink drive limit so long as he's not plastered and therefore useless to me. The hospital is only a few miles away so we could get a taxi or a lift. I don't know if that attitude is too generous though? After all I am doing 40 weeks on the wagon and getting fat for the greater good of his baby so the least he can do is the last month with me (well maybe not the getting fat bit).

I am going to start packing my hospital bag tomorrow <eeeek!>

HazleNutt Sat 27-Apr-13 17:47:14

DHs niece was born at 33 weeks so I think it's about time for the future dad to stop getting shitfaced, you never know. If we can manage without it for 9 months, they can do a couple as well.

Alexandra6 Sat 27-Apr-13 18:26:01

Just got back from the hairdressers (at last my roots are gone!) - I ended up blabbing to my hairdresser about being pregnant and he told me the story about his wife's two births which I had to share! Apparently the first one, she went in to labour and three hours later the baby was out, the second one, she went into labour at 5pm and an hour later the baby "popped" out - she didn't even have time for gas and air! Right, this is the type of birth I'm signing up for!

Cavort Sat 27-Apr-13 18:33:40

Yes, book me in for one of those please! hmm

Quodlibet Sat 27-Apr-13 19:04:40

So annoyingly, my new doctors (different borough) said that they don't refer for reassurance scans despite my history (which also includes now ongoing CBT for depression/anxiety which arose as a result of the MC, ffs). So my only option is to self-refer to EPAU at Guys, which means turning up and waiting, and either lying and saying I have spotting or hoping that they will scan me just to reassure. Or shelling out for a private scan so that I can at least have an appointment and not have to take half a day off work. Grrr.

Alex, was the place you went to in London?

Quodlibet Sat 27-Apr-13 19:05:58

Or just trying to chill out and wait til 12 weeks of course (Janey not sure how you managed that!)

janey1234 Sat 27-Apr-13 19:19:22

I didn't quod! I was a wreck. We paid for a private scan near canary wharf - same place Alex went to - £75. Called my ultra baby.

Absolutely outrageous they wouldn't scan you. angry Makes me so bloody cross. I felt weirdly too superstitious about making up 'problems' so to me £75 was worth it. Was it the epu who said that, or the midwife? If the latter might just be worth calling the epu directly? Am so cross for you quod. Hugs.x

Quodlibet Sat 27-Apr-13 19:24:02

No it was the doctor. I called the antenatal at the hospital and she said I could to to EPU and say I had pain or bleeding/was concerned (which is what the doctor said too) but haven't spoken to EPAU direct yet. Maybe I should try that. Otherwise £75 seems a small price to pay to have some piece of mind if only temporarily

HazleNutt Sat 27-Apr-13 19:47:34

That's horrible Quod. Of course you would want an early scan in your circumstances. I got scans at iirc 6 and 8 weeks here after my mc and it certainly helped to relax once I saw it's in the right place at first scan and saw the heartbeat on second. If they really refuse I'd definitely get the private one (or lie, if you think £75 is too expensive).

That really sucks Quod, I can't believe with your circumstances they won't scan you. For the sake of your sanity I'd get a private scan, it could well feel like the best £75 you've ever spent.

Alexandra6 Sat 27-Apr-13 23:20:40

Sorry Quod that's rubbish, as I was so anxious and my doctor said mine seems quite high risk, she said she'd make up some spotting for an early NHS scan but I went private an the ultrababy place because a) could have a relaxed Saturday/evening appointment, more convenient for DH's work b) felt a bit weird making up problems, maybe superstitious like Janey said and c) this is more hindsight but private was lovely, really nice lady and huge screen. So basically I opted for private over NHS for the sake of £75 so can't recommend that enough. That scan and time have made me feel a teensy bit less anxious. Keeping everything crossed for you too.

Quodlibet Sun 28-Apr-13 08:04:18

Thanks folks. Yeah my doctor basically told me to make up some symptoms. DP has no qualms with that but I don't fancy doing it, plus don't fancy sitting in EPU for hours with loads of other anxious women - it's not a fun place EPU is it?! Can't do anything about it this coming week as work is too full on, but maybe I will go to the ultra place the following week by which time I should be 8+ weeks and there'll hopefully be more to see.