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July 2013 - Thread 6: cankles, bumps, strangely placed lumps, the glamours of pregnancy go on and on

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dinkystinky Wed 13-Mar-13 11:32:52

New thread to natter away on.

Link to waddlers and riders and stats list here

TomDaleysTrunks Wed 13-Mar-13 12:02:27

Found you!

PhieEl06 Wed 13-Mar-13 12:13:09

The following is in response to previous thread... Sorry!

We're off to Vilamoura dinky, our friend is a pilot who is based over there, so free accommodation for a week, very jealous of your visit to Lisbon, definitely on my list of places to visit over the coming years.

Ama haha well you have made me feel better will have to keep my touring holiday of Japan until I'm in my mid/late 30's, hopefully OH's love of cars may of subsided by then & I can actually enjoy Japan rather than be dragged round looking at cars!!

Happy belated birthday Abzs, hope you had a lovely meal!

Congrats on the scans Liz, TomD & shiv & on your differently coloured bumps!
Also congrats on everyone reaching 24 weeks, it feels like a bloody long wait till I am too!

Ginger I nearly cried when I was looking through my summer clothes over the weekend, it suddenly dawned on me that hot pants & crop tops are no longer suitable... sad

BB01 that's exactly how I feel, it will be nice having family holidays but will definitely miss being able to get away frequently & have different types of holidays, glad to hear you had a nice holiday though but hope you're okay after your fall!

& now I've caught up, NEW THREAD YAY! grin

I've had to come home from work today as I'm a bit sicky! I haven't in the past 21 weeks, once had morning sickness, is it at all possible at this stage? Probably just got a virus or something, ate something now & managed to keep it down but feeling very exhausted, must go to bed earlier!

Hope everyone is having a nice day! Sun is shining round here (midlands) & that is greatly improving my mopey mood! smile


Hey, GP listened in and said that the baby was fine but to watch out for any bleeding. So all is good there, thankfully! Thank you everyone for calming me down a bit!

Ginger Aww, that's quite far!

Hope everyone who's going on holiday enjoys it, I'm very jealous! envy

I was pregnant through summer with DS1 (Sept baby), it was knackering and those maxi dresses really are a blessing, especially if you're knackered and can't be bothered with bottoms you can just shove them on quickly and go sit in the garden! smile

First ever driving lesson in less than 2 hours. <excited>

Hello everyone. I can't catch up on the old thread yet because it's blocked at work, but this one is fine (so far) confused

Didn't feel the baby moving at all yesterday, which had me a little worried as I'd been feeling it more each day up until then. Felt a few small movements this morning though, so feeling happy. Will be 22 weeks tomorrow, so hopefully that's normal.

Totally When I was pg with DS he was a very sleepy baby, I would have to go up for monitoring a lot as he would refuse to move.

Up until about 30 weeks though, they told me that they have so much room to move at this point that you might not feel them all the time.

TomDaleysTrunks Wed 13-Mar-13 13:25:35

Good luck shro. I only passed last month, still not confident but definitely worth doing. Enjoy it!

MrsMillions Wed 13-Mar-13 13:38:56

Another new tread? I can't believe how time marches on.

Sat at Heathrow on our way back from New York (have a connecting flight oop north). Our final pre-baby holiday, if you discount a week in June with the inlaws, which I do smile. Booked it around a month before BFP, if we'd known we might have opted for some sun and sand, but had a fab time all the same - and bought a few things for the little one whilst we were there. My ankles aren't cankles yet but will be very grateful the sightseeing is over, all that walking was hard work.

Now we're home it's time to plough on with preparations, DH will be spending part of Easter weekend painting the nursery so have a bit of work to do getting the room cleared for that and buying the pretty (but team yellow) stuff to go in afterwards.

Congrats on all good scans and 24 week landmarks, have only managed to read posts from today and yesterday and there were a lot of them, too many to reference individually esp as you have befuddled my brain with this sling talk. Maybe will re-read once I've had proper sleep.


Thanks Tom, I'm really looking forward to it! It's good you have passed well before you are due. grin

MrsMillions Glad you had a good holiday, the baby clothes in the states are lovely aren't they?

Sashabella0 Wed 13-Mar-13 13:49:20

Hi all

Can't name check as on my phone.

I think I'm finally starting to feel movements. I have an anterior placenta hence the lateness. Little Itchy seems to like Radiohead and Morrissey, could be worse I suppose!

Midwife sent me to hospital last week as I was having cramping. Itchy's heartbeat was nice and strong and he/she was dancing all over. Cramp has gone now.

I went to have the operation on my finger on Saturday, but the surgeon thought he'd get away with freezing it up and manipulating it back into place. I had to cancel my follow up appointment yesterday as I haven't been well with diarrhoea (TMI!).

I'm off work. Should be revising for an exam I have on Monday, but researching reusable nappies is far more interesting!

Still a week and a half to wait for my scan, but then I have a little holiday to look forward to. A weekend in Madrid then the rest of the week in Tenerife.

21weeks today

MightBeMad Wed 13-Mar-13 14:22:35

Wow you lot know how to chatter!! grin

Congrats on all the lovely scan news smile can't believe how many little girls we have arriving on this thread. That must mean that more than half of the yellow team are in fact blue.... wink

I'm so jealous of all the holiday talk! I'm craving some sun but don't dare go abroad as I has complications in my last pg and don't fancy being overseas if something happens. You have inspired me to book a few days away in uk though. 5 weeks and counting!

Schro glad the gp was reassuring. I've started getting them too but not painfully. I remember being told last time that hydration levels are a significant factor in bh so maybe drinking a bit more might be worth a try?

Sorry, can't remember any of the other personals I thought I'd committed to memory (blast phone and baby brain!).

Hope all the spd-ers are feeling okay?

Have a consultant appointment tomorrow re previous complications/implications this time and a 'birth afterthoughts' midwife meeting to talk about my last delivery. Could be an emotional afternoon!


MightBeMad Wed 13-Mar-13 14:26:41

Ah totally - I'm about the same stage as you, also an anterior placenta and also getting days (or several in a row) where baby's movements are much less/imperceptible. I'm hoping it's just when he changes position.

Phie - I'm sorry about your wardrobe realisation but you're post did make me smile. It's been so many years since hot pants were a good look on me that they weren't even in fashion back then grin

photographerlady Wed 13-Mar-13 14:58:52

So has everyone signed up to their antenatal classes yet? If so which one are you opting for? Hospital run? NCT? Hynobirth? Active Labour? Private one-on-one?

May is when mine start, not too far from now grin

photographer I've joined a pregnancy yoga class that looks like it will cover some of the relaxation/positioning type stuff. We didn't do any antenatal classes with DD because the course we booked on to started at 36 weeks - the same night that she was born. (we got a refund!). I wish I hadn't felt quite so clueless going into labour though. I'm definitely planning to be a bit more prepared for this one.....

Hai1988 Wed 13-Mar-13 15:53:03

Oo new thread just marking me place on it smile

shelley72 Wed 13-Mar-13 16:06:56

found you all! finally caught up on the old thread and you moved!!!

very envy of all of these lovely holidays you are all having, we have a may half term break booked, other than that hoping that the weather is good so that we can get down to studland a lot before the summer. and someone mentioned SAGA holidays - 2 out of 3 of my DCs won't even be teenagers by the time me and DH qualify so can't even look forward to those grin

and my goodness what a lot of pink bumps! the boys are going to be outnumbered. has everyone been busy thinking up names already? found our names list from DC1 we made 6 years ago, and again from when we were expecting DC2. the same names keep cropping up so we may just stick with those. no-one gets named in our house for at least 36 hours so no rush just yet...

not been about much last week or so, had terrible week with back pain, v early wakings (DCs awake 4.15 most days) and then i felt no movement for at least 24 hours last week which was worrying. got v short shrift from hosp MW when i phoned the unit - basically MW who answered treated me like a neurotic first time mother when in fact i am a neurotic third timer. had my CMW appt on monday and although she struggled to find a heartbeat happily all seems ok. she wasn't at all happy with the hospital though. bump has definitely appeared now so i am going to have to invest in some cheap maternity clothes i think. someone suggested seraphine jeans they look fab but cant justify the expense without a voucher / code. looked at H&M and gap also but everywhere seems to be sold out in my size. obviously a lot of pregnant women about this summer!

good luck with the driving lesson schro - i promise you WONT be as bad as i was on my first lesson!

i'm not bothering with ante natal classes this time photographerlady. i am just hoping that babies haven't changed much in last three years smile

photographerlady Wed 13-Mar-13 16:19:42

shelley mothercare has a huge rack of sales clothing, or well they did last weekend. I picked up 4 dresses for under a tener each. DH keeps saying we are going to head to studland when the weather is nice. You reckon its a day trip?

dinkystinky Wed 13-Mar-13 16:38:39

Shelley - check eBay - you can pick up pretty cheap mat clothing bundles on there. Glad baby is OK. Have to admit I was surprised at hospital MW advice.

Hope driving lesson went well Schro.

Photographer - not doing any classes this time round but will dust off hypnobirthing notes and CD soon I think.

dinkystinky Wed 13-Mar-13 16:42:30

Sasha - sorry you had a scare and a bug - hope you feel better and finger is OK.

MrsMillions - sounds like you had a great break!

Phie - hope you feel better soon. Sounds like a poss bug. Like mightbe I am not sure I ever had hot pants and crop top days :-)

shelley72 Wed 13-Mar-13 16:59:37

dinky so was I (and thanks for replying on other thread when i was in a panic). i mean i KNOW with an anterior placenta that you feel movments less, as it was the same with DS but to tell me not to worry and to get it checked out on monday was ridiculous. luckily he (or she) moved later that evening, or i would have just turned up at Day Assessment on Friday as was at the hospital with DD anyway. CMW was going to check who was on duty that day, she was not impressed. have been watching a few bits on ebay, but tend to miss out as they either end too late at night or during school run times. have also been looking for a buggy board, but they are selling for practically the same price as they are new in JL! still dont know whether to wait and see if we really need it first, or see if this baby is happy to be in a sling. school walk is about 20 mins or so along busy roads and DD hates toddler rucksack/reins and cannot be trusted to walk nicely!

photographer had planned on trip to mothercare today but DD fell asleep on me just before lunch and only woke up in time for school, but will try and have a look at the weekend. studland is beautiful, often go there for the day in the summer, quite expensive to park if not in NT though. have never stayed there, though we do camp nearby near corfe castle. just be careful which end of the beach you go to grin

SlouchingPanda Wed 13-Mar-13 17:13:56

Great new thread name - thanks Dinky!

Had a mad lunchtime dash to town for emergency bra shopping. I only had one that wasn't indecent, so now have two more. Hurrah!

I am all booked in for NCT which start next month! Eeek! Had to do a slightly early one because of work commitments... it's all seeming so much more real suddenly!


dinkystinky Wed 13-Mar-13 17:33:37

Well it just so happens I could help you out on the buggy board if you like Shelley - feel free to pm me. Was going to sell for a tenner and postage - you'd need to get new connecters which you can get v cheap online.

iclaudius Wed 13-Mar-13 17:59:04

Twenty to thirty can be quite slow but 30-40 shoots by ! I am re decorating THREE bedrooms as having a change around - gah I can hardly face it

MrsMillions Wed 13-Mar-13 18:18:12

Yes thanks Dinky and Schro we had a great time. Baby clothes were lovely Schro but very little unisex, I think everyone must find out over there. We bought a rather large soft toy at FAO Schwarz and a book. Disappointed not to see any nursery decor in either department stores or home shops, maybe everyone goes out of town?

BB01 Wed 13-Mar-13 18:27:39

Marking my place.Will be back soon!

dinkystinky Wed 13-Mar-13 18:29:12

As we discovered when in NY for a wedding and ds1s buggy broke, you need to go to specialist baby stores for buggies/nursery stuff.

cheekbyjowl Wed 13-Mar-13 18:33:23

thank you dinky for finding us a new place to natter

Schro good news. Glad it wasn't anything to worry about. Enjoy the first lesson
totally my movements alter too - sprog seems to like being in a car when the music is on but not being at work- we have that in common. But when i do feel it it's still exciting and DH got a kick yesterday when he spoke to the belly and said 'hello child it's your father speaking are you there?' it was an awesome moment!
photographer i'm thinking of just doing the hospital ante-natal classes. They told me i can't book yet though - have to wait till i'm 26 weeks to book into a class that starts at 30. are you going to do NCT also? are they expensive, much different do yu know?
Shelly boo to the hospital. I think it's fair to be a little worried they shouldn't be dismissive but they might have had a really busy day. We're meant to be in a baby boom aren't we, something to do with the mix of the recession and 50 shades of grey! Who's betting that Ana and Christian go up in popularity on the naming list!

It's been a pants day here. We're in a one bed in London which is absolutely fine for now but we've been saving really hard for a house deposit. The aim is to move to a house near my MIL so that they can help with childcare when i return to work, as nurseries in London would take my entire salary. We've managed to save 15% which is fantastic but now realised we can't get a mortgage when i'm on Mat leave as they'll only take my statutory (can't spell it) as my income. No one here is a mortgage advisor are they? We'll pray that we can find somewhere over Easter in the hope we can exchange before mat kicks in - but i'm not sure it's realistic. Anyone else been through this?

MightBeMad Wed 13-Mar-13 18:41:04

Cheek - yes! We bought when I was pg last time and they asked if I was 'anticipating any interruption in my income' so had to tell them about upcoming mat leave. One lender refused to lend (totally unlawful discrimination if you ask me, but that's a whole other thread) but the second one we tried just required a letter from my employers confirming that I had a job to return to at x salary (which was simply stating what they are legally obliged to do in terms of keeping my job open) and the lenders were happy to lend against my full salary on that basis. Don't give up hope!

cheekbyjowl Wed 13-Mar-13 19:18:28

That's good to know MightBe, thank you.

Abzs Wed 13-Mar-13 20:08:09

Thanks for all the birthday wishes, you lovely people! We had a nice meal at a Spanish restaurant in town in the end instead if the pub. Got an unusual (but good) present from my SIL - Herdy herb pots. Can't link on tablet, but essentially plant pots in the shape of herdwick sheep.

Thanks for that link cheek it's on the possible list.

elliejjtiny Wed 13-Mar-13 20:43:18

Just thought I'd check in as haven't been on for a couple of days. HV rang yesterday morning saying she thought 2 bruises that DS3 had on monday looked suspicious. Not really sure what's happening now as she phoned at 8am and my brain was still foggy but she's talked to the GP and waiting for the paed to get back from holiday so she can talk to her too. Hopefully they will both tell her that there is no way I would hurt any of my DC's but I've been panicking and cleaning like a mad woman just in case a social worker comes round unexpectedly.

Then today DS2 had his annual eye clinic appointment and the dr told me that his squint is starting to get worse and they want to operate in June. I knew it was going to happen eventually but it was still a shock. It's day surgery thank goodness and will be done on the children's ward, so different from when I had my squint repaired aged 8 and had to stay on the eye ward for 3 days with all the old people having their cataracts done.

This evening when I put the children to bed I noticed that DS3's eye was looking a bit red and gunky so looks like a trip to the chemist for eye drops tomorrow and no toddler group.

So it's been a busy and scary week for us so far and I'm just having a quiet sit down before tackling the mound of washing and putting the toys away.

VinegarDrinker Wed 13-Mar-13 20:45:04

Evening all smile

Tom I am umm-ing and ah-ing about whether to turf DS out of his cot. On one hand, I really can't be faffed with buying a second, on the other hand I'm terrified it'll send his sleep to pot .... Plus if this one is anything like him it'll be in our bed most of the time anyway.... Need to decide either way soon.

VinegarDrinker Wed 13-Mar-13 20:47:05

Gosh ellie how scary on both fronts. Hopefully your GP and paed can put the HV's mind to rest, but still ... not what you need!

Beginningofthejourney Wed 13-Mar-13 21:27:34

Hi everyone I have massive cankles :-( the go down once I put my feet up bit not easy to do at work!
photographer I'm booked on to hospital antenatal classes but think they are run by nct, I'm just a bit concerned that they do not start until mid June, the last one is 1st July, maybe I'm just being optimistic that 1st bubba might come early!
Can't remember who was saying about summer clothes but hopefully primark will have lots of maxi dresses in again, noticed they are starting to get summer stuff in. Also peacocks have over the bump jeans for about £16 I've found them comfortable. I'm on a mission to find a dress for a wedding, got one in April and one beginning of June so hoping I can wear the same dress to both.
ellie hope hv gets back to you and reassures you soon, sure it's a big stress you could do without!
Sorry for long post!
23 wks tomorrow :-)

ellie you're having a terrible time!
I hope everything with DS3 gets resolved quickly, his eye gets better and the GP can sort it out for you.
I'm sure DS2 will have a much easier time with his squint surgery than you did! It's terrible that young children used to be bundled in with sick old people - children's wards these days are so much more friendly.

TomDaleysTrunks Wed 13-Mar-13 21:35:01

Oh gosh Ellie. Hope it gets sorted soon.

No antenatal etc here either. Will dig out my CD at some point but that's it.

vinegar my thinking is that I want to crack it before the baby comes along. I don't think I could handle a newborn plus Getting DD into her bed. This may be wishful thinking but going to give it a go.

shro how was your lesson?

MrsRoss26 Wed 13-Mar-13 22:02:02

Hello new thread! Over half way now...what an achievement.

This is not going to be good for name-checking, sorry, but grand to hear of all the little girls. I think there are a lot of yellows like me though? I had my scan last week and the sonographer had no chance of looking thankfully.

We made our first baby purchase this week: a 2nd hand Moses basket and stand. It looks incredibly cute in the corner of our bedroom and has started to make things feel even more real.

We're another twosome off for a holiday in a fortnight. A week in Spain over Easter weekend will be very fun, and a lovely way to celebrate our last holiday without baby.

Ellie: let us know how you get on, the call from the HV must be awful. Hoping this sorts itself easily.

Cheek and Totally: my movements seems mostly erratic, though baby seems to move quite regularly when i'm driving now.

Photographer: I'm booked in for NCT, starting in May. I'm really looking forward to meeting other expectant mums hopefully some around my age.

Mightbe and schro: I've been going mad with ice lollies recently,and having what feels like uterus growth / bh, so I suspect I'm dehydrated. Keep on drinking!


PhieEl06 Wed 13-Mar-13 22:02:21

Haha MightBe & Dinky almost certain that hotpant days are over anyway now.

Ellie I hope everything gets sorted quickly & with minimal stress!
Schro how did the driving lesson go?

emblosion Wed 13-Mar-13 23:13:11

Hi all, Blimey another thread already! I'm afraid I can't properly name check either as I'm on my phone, but -

ellie sounds like you are having a nightmare week sad really hope everything is sorted soon.

photographerlady I'm another one not bothering with antenatal classes this time round, its all still fresh in my mind from ds, haha wink think I started mine at 35 weeks last time, but they were the NHS ones so only ran for 3 weeks.

NCT does a discount for anyone on low income, its worth looking into (I think normal cost is about 200 quid? It might depend on area tho)

schro hope driving lesson went ok, I once drove the wrong way up a one way street on a driving lesson - my instructor was traumatized! I still passed my test in the end....

V jealous of all the holidays! It's our anniversary in April so we might try to get away then, it'll have to be something baby friendly however - no romance for us! Can't remember who was talking about Japan, but we were supposed to be having 4 weeks there for our honeymoon, but that plan got scuppered by me getting pregnant 6 months before the wedding. One day I'll do it!

Congrats on all the scans, lots of girls this time?! We're having a gender scan in Sunday - my intuition is telling me its going to be another boy, but we'll see.

I'm another one that has unquenchable thirst, I feel so dehydrated all the time. Bump is suddenly much more 'bumpy' as opposed to flabby too. Am v tired at the moment so wondering if the baby is having a growth spurt or something?

I have a posterior placenta this time (was anterior with ds) and good grief I can feel so much more movement! First time round it was all squirms and pushes as he got bigger but now I can feel all these little taps and pokes. Keeps freaking me out until I remember what it is!

I don't get a chance to post much but best wishes to all, I'll def be back to spill the beans after my scan! X

AmaDablam Thu 14-Mar-13 07:54:30

Thanks for the new thread dinky - wow they are lasting a shorter and shorter time as we all natter so much!

Lots of talk re. Braxton Hicks - I've been wondering the past few weeks if I've been getting them as I get this kind of dragging sensation, almost as if someone's put their hands around my bump and pulling it towards the floor, when I stand up quickly or rush around too much. I wouldn't describe it as the "tightening" that all the books talk about but I wonder could this be my way of feeling them. They're not at all painful but it does happen a lot, so hoping it's nothing to worry about.

Re movement and anterior placenta I too can easily go for 24 hours with barely feeling anything, then the next day she is kicking like a mad thing. I don't think it's a worry at this stage, although if I went several days in a row with nothing I would probably ring the MW. Spent several hours in the back of a car yesterday with someone who didn't believe in slowing down for speedbumps or braking slowly in anticipation of traffic lights - that soon got LO going and had some of the strongest kicks ever!!

Ellie sorry about the awful time you've been having. Please try not to worry about your HV's comments about the "suspicious bruising". If they were really that worried that you were hurting your DC's they wouldn't have "tipped you off" as it were but got straight on to social services and you would probably know about it by now. In the very unlikely event you do get a visit or call from a social worker, just remember they are only doing their job and need to make sure DC is OK - there have to be LOTS of mitigating circumstances for them to take any serious action so it's highly likely it would be a one off visit and once they see you are a good parent who is taking proper care of her DC's, that would be it. Still, I appreciate it's extremely stressful and upsetting and I do hope you've had more reassurance today.

Oh dear, meant to have left for work by now but still sat in my dressing gown hmm. Can't get motivated this morning.


Persuasion Thu 14-Mar-13 08:19:48

dinky thanks for new thread. I love the name...

ellie it sounds like you're having a tough week. As ama says I'm sure it will be fine with the HV but understandably very anxiety inducing nonetheless.

photographer I've signed up for NHS antenatal classes in may, and for 6 weeks of postnatal NCT group in august after baby is here. I thought it was a good way to get the best of both worlds, and meet as many people as possibly. The postnatal ones only cost about £80 for 6 sessions, and that's without a discount.

All the holiday talk has made me feel quite jealous. Because of timings of our annual leave years we haven't even got any leave booked yet before July, although hopefully we'll get some to coincide even if we don't end up going anywhere.

phie your post also made me laugh. I was definitely a hotpants and croptop sort of girl in my teens but that's a long time ago! I do empathise though, it's just another change in your life to think about.

Oh, and I'm also thirsty all the time, and have been getting occasional brackston hicks (I think). Always worth getting checked out if you're not sure though, IMO.

Grannyapple Thu 14-Mar-13 08:33:46

Hi ladies...just a quick question....I haven't had morning sickness in either pregnancy...but woke up feeling a bit ropey & have now just thrown up a bit in car park at work (pleasant, I know!).. Can morning sickness suddenly make an appearance at 22wks??

dinkystinky Thu 14-Mar-13 09:01:18

Morning all. Granny - if you're feeling ropey, its likely is a bug rather than morning sickness, but yes if you're tired, dehydrated etc, morning sickness can appear later on. Hopefully its just a sickness bug which will pass soon.

Ellie - sending you huge hugs as you're having a really tough time of it. Look on the bright side re DS2's squint - once its done, its corrected and will make things easier for him in the long run, and carers on children wards are lovely. Re DS3 and the HV - I guess she's just doing her job but as Ama said, she cant think its anything too serious as she called you to tell you. DS2 in particular was one huge bruise at 2 - due to his running everywhere head first and not looking - so hopefully your GP will put HV's concerns to rest. Gunky eyes - I found the ointment rather than the drops easier to get in the boys eyes. Hope life in your house starts becoming alot rosier v v soon.

Emblosion - how old is your DS? If he's over 1, I can totally recomend a lovely gite in Normandy - super baby friendly as all the stuff is there for baby and you can request a pre-arrival shop and get restaurant meals delivered. Also a huge playbarn and garden. We went there when DS1 w

BB01 Thu 14-Mar-13 09:03:28

Dinky, it's nice to hear you still manage some good trips abroad! Agree that babies are actually quite portable, esp compared to toddlers - bet that's another ball game altogether! Also glad it's not just me with mixed feelings about last hol as a just a couple. Am sure I should just be grateful we managed a holiday!! Think one of my main thoughts is that we prob won't be able to afford to go abroad for a while as prob will be staying at home and apart from the huge mortgage holidays are one of the few areas we could really cut back on!

Ahhhh Japan. May have already said this but DH and I spent a month there for honeymoon. Was best holiday ever. Absolutely amazing. Would think it's a great place for kids too.

Had the anti-D and heartbeat checked and all seems ok, phew.

Also think someone said they'd bought the Cosatto Giggle and liked it? Read this in old thread while on holiday, sorry for delay and lack of namechecking. Thanks so much for the recommendation :-)

Re ante-natal, we're doing the NCT ones and the NHS ones. Need all the help we can get :-)

Ellie, hope things get sorted out soon, not the best week for you.

Grannyapple, not sure but I had a return of the nausea for just one day a few weeks ago. Wasn't sick but felt so bad I went home. Hope you feel better soon.

dinkystinky Thu 14-Mar-13 09:10:13

Bugger - half my post got cut off - stupid work internet quota system!

Rest of post said:

Went there with DS1 when he was 1, 2 and 3 (with 3 month old DS2). Ferry crossing uber easy and only 20 minute drive at the other end.

Mightbe - good luck for consultant appt and debrief this afternoon.

MrsRoss - have a lovely trip to Spain. Anyone travelling around the 26/7 week plus make sure you've checked the airline requirements re fit to fly letter (some say has to be within 6 weeks of date, some within 5 days!).

Toddlers and cots - if your DC will be 2 and a half or so when the baby comes, you may want to move to a bed or toddler bed for them. DS1 was 2 and 10 months when DS2 arrived - we moved him to a toddler bed at 2 and 6 months with no issues at all as he was really excited to hae a big boy bed. Gap between then and baby meant he didnt feel like he was giving up his beloved cot for baby too.

BB01 Thu 14-Mar-13 09:18:26

apart from the huge mortgage holidays are one of the few areas we could really cut back on!

Just realised this doesn't even make sense...we can't really cut back on our mortgage unless we move - sorry, back-to-work brain!

photographerlady Thu 14-Mar-13 09:28:00

Morning all! Picked up my MAT B1 form last nice from my midwife and happily skipping to work with it. Roll on the end of May I fancy weeks on the beach and coffee in town. I know the reality will be me with cankles, not sleeping and waddling around the house but a girl can dream can't she?

cheekbyjowl I think my classes at NCT were around the £170 range. My DH got me a 2 day hynobirthing workshop for valentines so May is going to be a busy month. MrsRoss26 I am really shy around women so not sure how much of a friend magnet NCT will be, also I will be rushing home from a commute so will look like a right mess.

emblosion have a good scan!

Persuasion oh post classes sound lovely. sadly they do not offer it in my area. I am ummming over pregnancy yoga maybe in late May.

Grannyapple sounds like a bug. Hopefully it will clear up soon.

dinkystinky Thu 14-Mar-13 09:35:09

BB01 - you can still have fab cheap holidays in the UK and abroad (esp while the little one is not at school so can take advantages of offers). Just a case of being canny and sussing out the great deals. The holiday we're off to in April is 8 days in Lanzarote - accomodation in a self catering bungalow and flights for the 4 of us came in at £800. All booked - and mostly paid for - last year (shortly before I found out I was pregnant).

TomDaleysTrunks Thu 14-Mar-13 09:59:40

Yep we are getting DD out of her beloved cot well before baby so she doesn't feel she is giving it up! We'll see how it sorks.

Agree about holidays both UK and abroad. We've done holidays along thr south coast of UK for £60 for 3 nights, self catering in Spain for £500 for 10 days and Kos was £1000 for May all inc. the best thing is when they are under 2 you don't pay for their flight!

Hooray the sun is shining, I feel great today! Shame it's not going to last the weekend.

Good luck for all those with scans and appointments.

TomDaleysTrunks Thu 14-Mar-13 10:00:58

Oh and photographer don't worry about being shy. Everyone is nervous at NCT initially. But by the time you've discussed fanjo's, boobs and nappies conversation will flow grin.

Gingerpanther27 Thu 14-Mar-13 10:12:12

Hope the dodgy hv accusations turns out to be huff and puff from her ellie
Hope the driving lesson went well scrhro
Are the maxi dresses everyone talking about in regards to wardrobe malfunctions normal or maternity? And just found out if I move in with my partner I don't get any money - I'm classed as disabled therefore unable to work, I don't have a house currently as I've been homeless since last summer and because my partner works they'd stop most of my money yet if I was to stay on my own with no support I'd be entitled to more than what a lot of people work there arses off for angry - has anyone been in a situation where they don't work and partner does or vice versa and how did it work financially?

dinkystinky Thu 14-Mar-13 10:18:04

Hmm, Ginger - its a difficult one. On my Feb 09 thread there was a mother classed as disabled pregnant with her second child - she was on her own with her DC1 (despite having a steady partner) precisely because of the benefits situation as her partner worked - and stayed on her own and in her own place after having DC2 and DC3 until they got married this year.

Maxi dresses - if you have a small bump and stretchy material you'll get away with normal ones. If you have a humungo bump prob best to have a look at maternity ones.

VinegarDrinker Thu 14-Mar-13 10:19:53

DS is just 2, will be 2y4m when this one arrives ... Didn't sleep through til 15months so sleep still feels rather fragile and precious! His cot can actually have the sides turned off to turn into a cot bed, and was only £40 from Ikea, so leaving him be and buying a second cheap cot to use as a bedside cot for this one wouldn't be the end of the world.

Also thinking vaguely about potty training DS but I think that's best left for after baby arriving.

I have a very rare day to myself today - I am working a nightshift tonight, sent DS to nursery to try and keep his routine going. I'll probably pick him up a bit early but still have hours to myself! Feels like such a luxury, I can't remember the last time it happened! Studiously ignoring all the housework and running myself a nice hot bath currently.

photographerlady Thu 14-Mar-13 10:41:57

I think my LO wants to remind me every five minutes how much she hates underbump jeans. I am being kicked in the bladder constantly this morning. grin

dinkystinky Thu 14-Mar-13 11:39:33

Enjoy your day of peace and quiet Vinegar!

Hope you're having a relaxing day, vinegar. DD will be 2y5m when this one arrives. Wondering if we should make an attempt to potty train before July. Might just give it one go in late May/early June and see what happens..... She's currently in a cot bed and I'm not sure what our plan will be. She was a disasterous sleeper for the first 18months, but is quite good these days in her own bed. We have a crib for the first few months anyway.

bigbelly4 Thu 14-Mar-13 13:31:12

re maxi dresses - I have just bought one from Fat Face (non maternity) and just bought a size up from my usual, although normal size fitted now, my boobs are seemingly getting bigger by the day!

Also started to get a few baby bits in now, including baby grows and vests - so cute! I really had forgotten how small they are. I'm now hoping that this baby is similar size to previous three (all weighed the same at 6lb 14) - otherwise the poor thing will be cramed in to small baby size! I'll probably have a whopper now wink

Had a bit of a crap day yesterday, decided to muck out the nursery (bit of a dumping ground ATM) and my back was killing me by evening. DH was out till late at a meeting and youngest gremlin was being a bit of a brat and to top it off I needed strawberry laces. When i went to get my handbag this morning DH had popped into tesco at 11pm to pick me up the laces smile

anyhoo, bye for now


Thinkingof4 Thu 14-Mar-13 13:54:25

grin @ strawberry laced bigbelly

All this talk of cots has got ms thinking what to do with ds3. He'll be 25months when baby arrives and has only been sleeping through since about 20months. He is a great sleeper now and also has a good nap every afternoon which gives me a little time to myself so I really don't want him to stop that.
However I have always put Moses basket inside cot iyswim to prevent overenthusiastic brothers tipping baby out onto floor!!
So I am thinking I will put ds3 into toddler bed in June when I go on mat leave and hope for the best!

Have a lovely day today vinegar

Ellie I really hope things are getting sorted out with the boys, very stressful sad
photographer my under bump jeans are starting to get uncomfy at times too, not looking forward to changing to over bump ones as they never stay up!

esme80 Thu 14-Mar-13 13:58:47

Reg moving toddlers from cotbeds, mine will be 2 when baby is born, is that too early to be moving him to his own bed? He is a very good sleeper, has slept through the night since he was about three months... Would prefer to not buy another cot, but could get cheap one from ikea wouldnt be the end of the world...

Also, to those who have dcs older than mine, is there some development thing that happens at around 20 months that turn them into Monsters? My lovely, sweet, independant ds has been clingy, angry and pretty much screamed for a week straight! Nothing wrong with him at all, no cold/fever/teething...

photographerlady Thu 14-Mar-13 14:01:17

yeah under and over bump do not work for me.

I decided to sew buttons and loops into my tights and leggings and clip them to my bra... I know that sounds funny looking but I only have ten minutes to run to my station to get the train home, if I dont button or hold my tights up then they are around my ankles. Underbump jeans are so uncomfortable and slip down. I am so ready to burn these I only wear jeans once a week.

As far as shopping goes I went a bit mad. I would say me and my mother (who lives stateside but figured out how to purchase things from john lewis and mothercare. In the past week I bought 2 carseats - one infant, one 20lbs to 40lbs, moses basket, stand, play gym (which I LOVE, from JL has cute little owls on it), breast pump, about 5 outfits, more reusable nappies, baby bath.... all I need now is bed linen for the cot and think I am done. My poor wallet hurts.

ThinkingOf My DS has been in his own bed since 11 months, he hated the cotbed and is a dream most of the time in the bed.

He has fallen out twice since he was put in it but he's a climber so I suspect it would be worse if he was climbing the rails of a cot!

Will try and catch up on the rest of the thread now. smile

Sorry just realised that message was meant for Esme!

Btw, my 17mo has been a bit of a nightmare for the past few weeks, sleeping is all messed up and he screams in anyone leaves the room. I think it's normal at this stage.

Photographer When pg with DS I got a hair bobble and looped it through the button hole of my jeans and on to the button, you can make it as tight as you need it with it still being stretchy, worked great and they stayed up.

dinkystinky Thu 14-Mar-13 14:30:10

Wow - you have been shopping lots Photographer.H&M Mama knitted tights stay up - even when running! They are now top of my tightwatch poll.

Esme - I think your DS is just becoming less of a toddler and more of a preschooler. DS1 was (and still is) a mellow little fellow - DS2 was (and still is) much more excitable. I found between the age of 1 and 3 hardest with him - at 3 he was so much easier to deal with (while all my friends were going through the terrible threes with their kids, I'd just had it earlier!).
Keep telling yourself its just a phase and will pass!

Totally, Vinegar - you know your little ones best. I delayed potty training with DS1 till after DS2 arrived - we cracked it within 4 days just before his third birthday. We had a potty around for a while before and incentivised him to sit on it to get used to it - but no real pressure. I'd been warned by other friends that their kids regressed massively when new siblings came on the scene so decided to delay it till he'd got used to the new arrival.

Thinkingof4 Thu 14-Mar-13 14:40:41

laces even!

notprincesskate Thu 14-Mar-13 16:36:26

Hello all finally just catching up, would like to be organised enough to write notes to reply to everyone but I'm not sorry!.
We're off on our on our last pre (new) baby holiday to Scotland at the end of the month, sadly I'm pretty sure it will be gloves and scarves weather, rather than maxi dresses, but at least I can hide my ever expanding belly under many layers!
I'm feeling a bit sorry for myself today after our second consultant appt yesterday, uterine dopplers were done and once again the resistance was high, they have now given me a 80% chance of getting pre-eclapsia again sad baby seems to be growing well at the mo which is a bonus, although tummy off the scale so they are also questioning gestational diabetes, more likely to be the complete disregard for not eating for 2 I seem to have acquired I think, they weighed me and my weight gain is close to 12kg shock already, so today have largely gone back to my WW plan in the hope this can slow it down. As my pet started at at 28weeks last time, he seemed to suggest that I wouldn't get to full term this time either, and any plan for a vbac would probably be out of the window.
I'm trying to figure out now when to finish work, as was planning on using 4 weeks AL pre mat leave starting at 38 weeks, but wondering if I should just bring it forward and try to use AL afterwards, BUT of course I do have a 20% of not getting it so don't really want to be using time up that I could have with the baby if it doesn't happen- although I did feel that although he didn't actually say the chance of not getting was actually much smaller than 20% but he was hedging his bets a little. On the upside I will get a scan every 4 weeks, and be monitored very carefully from now on, and I do feel blessed to be monitored so carefully, I couldn't fault the care last time.
Sorry for going on, just needed to have a bit of a winge and get it off my chest.
Almost 24 weeks whoop whoop.

photographerlady Thu 14-Mar-13 17:17:50

notprincess sorry to hear you have so much going on regards to health. It sounds like they are looking after you though (hugs).

Marking place, will come back to catch up! 22+2

Supershiv1 Thu 14-Mar-13 18:26:29

Marking place and strawberry laces are in my pregnancy treat stash too!

dinkystinky Thu 14-Mar-13 18:41:57

Notprincesskate - it sounds like they are taking good care of you and your baby and will be monitoring you both closely, which can only be a good thing. When do you need to make a final decision on mat leave? Presumably you - and the medics caring for you - will have a better idea as to whether you are showing pre-eclamptic tendencies at your next appt.

BadMissM Thu 14-Mar-13 18:52:05

Hello everyone, haven't been AWOL, just fighting the National Grid for the last week...digging up and buggering up our house with no warning...GRRRR!

I was so hoping to have a holiday before LO arrives, but as still don't know what's happening with Tribunal (and would need money from that to pay for it), stuck here. Could just do with some warmth....

Actually spoke to my mother, who admitted my Dad had heard, and told her about the pregnancy. She wasn't a complete bitch about it, or too unpleasant, which is the best I could hope for. No sign of her wanting to come up, or help, though....

bigbelly4 Thu 14-Mar-13 19:11:31

Well I am 3 packs of strawberry laces down and very nice they were too! Although I think I may have OD'd on them because I cant face any more!

My MW phoned me in a panic this afternoon just to check if we have sheep on our farm, when I said yes, but not to worry as I dont go anywhere near them, you could hear her relax! Obviously she was reviewing me for some reason and had panicked that she hadnt told me about toxiplasmosis - she had! Plus on no 4. I kinda know what im doing, bless her!

Bad, sounds like things are not as bad as they have been so fingers crossed you can salvage some sort of "relTionship"! Not the same but when I told my mum I was pregnant with no 3 she said "oh my god, you F**king stupid girl" - admittedly, I did end up with 3 under 3 and she did apologise profusely. So I was dreading telling her about number 4 - imagine my suprise when she burst in to tears as she was happy!

bigbelly what a lovely response from your mum!

I'm now craving strawberry laces too, although it would never have occurred to me without this thread. I'm so suggestible! Obviously we don't have any (why would we?) so I'll have to make do with jelly for now.

I'm still getting terrible evening munchies. Am I the only one who can't stop eating between dinner and bedtime?

bigbelly4 Thu 14-Mar-13 20:02:18

Totally, sorry about the laces craving! If its any help tonights craving is tomatos! Slightly random but there we go, welcome to my world!

Yes my mums reaction was a bit unexpected on both counts!

dinkystinky Thu 14-Mar-13 20:19:27

Glad your mum was more reasonable than you thought she would be BadmissM.

Sounds like you are in danger of turning into a strawberry lace Big belly!

notprincesskate Thu 14-Mar-13 21:10:27

dinky I have to let them know by 25 weeks, so next weds is my last day as we're off on holiday after that. I'm going o try and meet my boss tomorrow and ask her thoughts, realistically I may just have to stick to my original plan and change as and when things manifest themselves.
Does anyone know when NHS mat leave is enforced if you are off sick?

dinkystinky Thu 14-Mar-13 21:32:01

Hopefully thinking, totally, vinegar or slouching will be able to answer that question. Given the uncertainty by 25 weeks your plan re chatting to your boss sounds a good one notprincesskate.

bigbelly4 Thu 14-Mar-13 21:49:34

Totally, sorry about the laces craving! If its any help tonights craving is tomatos! Slightly random but there we go, welcome to my world!

Yes my mums reaction was a bit unexpected on both counts!

Beginningofthejourney Thu 14-Mar-13 21:55:01

princess I can't remember if my work said if your off sick from 34 or 36 weeks they can make you take mat leave, think it was 36?! Sorry baby brain strikes again!

SlouchingPanda Thu 14-Mar-13 22:38:59

NotPrincessKate I'm pretty sure that in my trust sick leave after 36 weeks automatically starts your maternity leave. Not sure if it's the same everywhere though.

Hopefully your boss will be understanding - pregnancy and childbirth are so full of uncertainty, it's crazy that we have to be so specific about things when the reality might be very different.

23+0 - another week down!

NotanOtter Thu 14-Mar-13 23:40:09

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photographerlady Fri 15-Mar-13 06:48:17

<removed>I am in the same boat. I am eating far far too much and some reason my snacking is all the wrong choices. You know when I was back on WW I eat loads but healthy things and no it's like I can not get enough muffins, cake and popcorn.

Was making my grocery list and heading over tonight make hearty meals like gumbo/stew, fresh hummous, lots of total Greek yoghurt with frozen berries in it all weekend. Some really filling foods so I stop eating junk.

Morning all! I handed in my MAT1B form yesterday (a copy) and asked HR to email me a confirmation that its approved. Last day the 31st of May for my annual leave and then Mat Leave starts the 4th of July (due date July 15) so hopefully that will work out right. I can't wait the 1 hour 30 commute to London is okay but rather be in the garden enjoying the sunshine smile

Supershiv1 Fri 15-Mar-13 07:38:09

Ssshhhhh........ I think I might have the pregnancy 'glow'. 2 people commented how well I looked yesterday and despite creme eggs and strawberry laces I am over a kilo less than when I got pregnant.
The slight tan might help as well.

BadmissM I see that B&F maternity are being sued again.

PhieEl06 Fri 15-Mar-13 08:24:51

Morning all, just catching up at work, sorry if I miss any personals out!!

notprincess sorry to hear about the health & pregnancy problems but it's nice to hear your getting a good level of care!

totally I have awful munchies 24/7, I wake up hungry eat & then don't stop until I go to bed on a night, my OH is disgusted by me haha! & Photographer joining you on being very unhealthy, seems my craving is anything sweet & sugary, mainly hundreds of cherry bakewells!

OH felt kicks for the first time last night!! We got so so excited! Especially after I spent all day worrying because I hadn't been having strong kicks yet & the I remembered reading my notes that I think I have an anterior placenta, but they were at home, surprise surprise the sonographer didn't mention this too me when I went for my awful scan! But last night oh my they were strong, made me feel all weird but it was a lovely moment! Is it just me being hormonal getting emotional about this haha!
Also had my so called best friend apologising to me last night over how much of a shit friend she's been, she's only just realised after a month & a half, she's only bothered with me lately when I have had a scan or something baby-related coming up, she didn't even know I was having a girl, so when she found out off another friend she text me to congratulate me & I just let loose. Hmm I am extremely hormonal at the moment!!

dinkystinky Fri 15-Mar-13 09:13:27

My friend had her twins yesterday - 2 gorgeous little redheads! Cant wait to meet them.

Photographer - v exciting that you've got your mat leave and AL dates all sorted. Fingers crossed sunshine arrives by then.

Totally, Photographer, Phie and others hungry all the time - dont sweat it, from memory in the third trimester my appetitite really waned and I had to force myself to eat little and often (digestive system got really sluggish and not much space in there behind baby so not that hungry). So enjoy it while you're in the mood to eat - but make healthy choices at least 70% of the time so you can enjoy the treats as treats. Oddly in this pregnancy I've been craving veggie stuff more than usual - lots of babaganoush, tricolore salads etc. And seem to have put on more weight than in either of my other 2 pregnancies by this stage. Go figure...

Phie - congrats on OH feeling kicks. DH felt Bean kicking for first time this morning too - even though I've been feeling movements for a while Bean gets v shy around DH for some reason.

I'm feeling a bit yuck this morning. In order to stop myself munching through an entire box of granola bars again last night, I tucked into some crisps. Before I knew it, an entire multipack had gone! Eating in the dark in front of the tv is dangerous. I have a bit of a nasty crisp aftertaste this morning. Strangely enough though, I weighed myself this morning and I've only put on 2kg since booking. I'm sure it'll catch up with me soon......

photographerlady Fri 15-Mar-13 09:48:39

oh dinkystinky I wish I had a good babaganoush recipe smile

dinkystinky Fri 15-Mar-13 09:57:37
photographerlady Fri 15-Mar-13 11:08:21

thanks dinky will add it to my shop for hummus, falafel and flatbread ingredients for the weekend smile If its just going to rain I might as well cook up a storm. yum.

elliejjtiny Fri 15-Mar-13 12:17:15

Can't remember who said what now but (((hugs))) to those who need them.

Talked to the GP yesterday who said that worst case senario re the bruises is that HV will contact SS who will make a note of it but only take it further if they get other reports about my children. Thankfully all DS1's injuries seem to happen at school so are documented in the accident book and DS2 is so scared of falling over that he is always really careful about looking where he is going. It's only DS3 who just charges into things. The GP also said she would ask the HV to ring me and clarify everything but she didn't, grr. Feel a bit better about it all although annoyed that I have been blamed for something out of my control.

Does anyone know anything good for dry skin? My hands are really dry, cracked and sore at the moment.

24+0 (doing the viability dance!)

OliviaMumsnet (MNHQ) Fri 15-Mar-13 12:24:44

Just doing a bit of tidying here have made a few amends to protect a posters anonymity.

dinkystinky Fri 15-Mar-13 12:35:42

How odd Olivia - think it was the deleted posters first ever post on this thread too and seemed totally innocuous.

Ellie - glad GP was supportive and helpful. Neutrogena intensive good for really dry hands - as is using rubber gloves to do washing up. Try yo wear gloves when out and keep properly moisturised through the day.

Really bored at work as my three main deals are on go slow.

PhieEl06 Fri 15-Mar-13 12:52:57

Recommend Nivea Express Hydration ellie, my hands look like my nans at the moment.
dinky me too! Waiting for everyone to get back to me, seems they're on a go slow today, enjoying it with my feet up, MN & amaretti biscuits!

TomDaleysTrunks Fri 15-Mar-13 12:57:21

Hmmm my post failed.
Anyway I was moaning about rain, bored toddlers and husbands working all weekend. What to do in this terrible weather?

NotPrincess Hope everything works out okay for you, it sounds like they are taking very good care of you though! smile

Ellie It sounds like they will probably just shut the case then? I think this is the worst fear for anyone with HMS/EDS. Especially as a lot of people don't understand that ignorant HCPs can cause a lot of damage by not looking into things properly. sad <<hugs>>

When I was pg with DS, I was in agony due to hips subluxing (along with knees, shoulders and elbows) daily. Everything was fine and my consultant was really supportive, then one day I went to an appt and my consultant was there and so was a MW. MW seen me in tears and decided she was referring me to social services as I "wasn't coping", consultant and I explained to her that it was because of the pain which was due to a medical condition and would resolve somewhat after the birth and there was no worries about me with a child etc. MW refused to listen and said "well sometimes people slip through the net and tragedies happen". angry I was terrified but the SW came out to see me, I was meant to see her the day after DS was born but I didn't go to the appt as he was in SCBU and I wanted to see him. She phoned me and came out to see me later and said she was closing the case and gave me the details of the MW to complain and even found out her name for me! They aren't all bad and a lot of them do realise when their time is being wasted. x

Sorry about that mammoth post btw!

<<hugs>> to everyone else who needs them too. smile And my driving lesson went great! It was so much fun, I can't wait till the next one.

TomDaley I have a bored and easily overtired toddler here too, I'm feeling really ill and have been fevery the past couple of days so I'm really struggling. SIL is taking DS this weekend though (they take him every second weekend to see him and give me and DP some "us" time). Will be spending it sleeping, watching horror movies and eating a ton of cheese!

Burts bees hand cream is brilliant, I love it.

For anyone who's getting lots of dry skin/spots, the neutrogena facial clean exo brush thing is brilliant and only £5, my skin feels and looks a ton better and getting a little glow now I have sorted out the dryness!

Quinandthem Fri 15-Mar-13 13:25:11

Hi Everyone,

Glad we all seem to be doing better.

I've just had my midwife check (24+6) and she was happy how things are progressing. actually measured the bump and got to listen to the heartbeat again. she felt the baby and said it (we're still team yellow) had its head down - so it must be head buts i'm feeling down there... as not feeling too much else as i have an anterior placenta.

not very good at stopping eating, bought a 4 pack of (small) hotcross buns the other day, and just because i knew they were there i ended up eating them one after another - which is bad even for me.

esme80 Fri 15-Mar-13 13:51:26

schro am v jealous of you having your sil taking ds for weekend! Enjoy!

Im not getting spots but have very dry, red and blotchy skin on my face. Dont know if anything I can do? Or jst accept and either put lots of makeup on when going out. Or scare people...

Esme I know, we're very lucky that they do take him, they live right next to MIL and FIL so they like the chance to get them all together as they are about 12 miles from us and we don't drive and they work a lot.

That's pretty much the same as my skin, it was really getting me down but that brush thing works wonders. Woman at Illamasqua counter told me to use a heavy moisturiser at night and will see a difference and I have!

Quin I have an anterior placenta as well but the movements have gotten really strong at points, I think it must be headbutts too, feels like he's using my cervix as a trampoline. hmm

Don't worry about getting the munchies sometimes, I sat and ate a full tub of philly the other day with half a pack of breadsticks. I haven't put any weight on yet by some miracle.

These cramps have started again and are really quite painful, I can actually feel the tightenings. confused

mysterymeg Fri 15-Mar-13 14:31:46

Got a question ladies. I had my rescan yesterday and baby was in the same position as three weeks ago - lying transverse with spine curled round the top and limbs dangling down towards thecervix. Baby is obviously comfy like this but it's an odd position. Is it still likely that they will be head down for birth or should the baby be like that already?

23 + 0

dinkystinky Fri 15-Mar-13 14:39:01

No need to worry just yet mysterymeg - if you want to encourage baby to head down, try optimal foetal positioning (you can Google it but its basically get on all fours, stick bum in air, fold arms on floor and rest your head on your arms) regularly and ensure hips are always higher then knees when seated.

Schro - braxton hicks shouldn't be that painful - are you well hydrated or run down? Try changing position, having a bath etc and see if they stop - if not call mW for advice.

Mystery DS was breech last time at around 20 ish weeks, he was head down by birth and they said that it's normal at that point as they still have lots of room. I spent a lot of time on all fours though as it's the only way I could get comfy. This one is sideways this time too.

Dinky I haven't really been well the past couple of days, feverish and have been sick and nauseous. GP checked the heartbeat the other day and the baby was fine. I'll drink some more and see how things go, she told me to get attention if I have any bleeding. Just bloody painful at the moment, making me lose my breath.

SlouchingPanda Fri 15-Mar-13 16:24:19

Schro did your GP check for a urine infection? Women don't always have the classic symptoms in pregnancy, and they can cause tightenings. I realise this isn't perhaps the most helpful thing to post on a Friday afternoon, but if you are still feverish, unwell and in pain I would want it ruled out. Maybe out of hours GP might be worth a call if you're not improving? Keep us posted.

In other news, I hope it gets warm soon because I can barely do up my big geeky anorak. I was thinking one advantage of a spring/summer pregnancy would be not having to buy a maternity coat!


elliejjtiny Fri 15-Mar-13 17:05:37

Shro thanks for the reassurance and glad the SW you saw was sensible. I ended up chatting to a mum at school today about the HV and turns out she is her HV as well so we had a good old moan about her together. I've always had quite painful braxton hicks as well, maybe it's an EDS thing.

mystery my baby was transverse at my last scan (3 weeks ago). DS2 was breech at the 20 week scan and DS3 kept going between breech and transverse. He was 3/5 engaged at 34 weeks and I thought he was going to come out but he unengaged himself. All mine were head down in the end, I think it's only at 34-36 weeks that they worry about positioning.

Ellie hope all is ok, must be v worrying.
Ama I've been feeling the same heavy feeling in bottom of uterus and it's been worrying me - never occurred to me it could be BH?
We're off to Portugal in April too, but have invited friends from Geneva who we never see - they also have an 18 month old so not quite the baby-free last holiday we'd initially thought about! Hopefully it'll be good practice...
Love the sound of the postnatal NCT persuasion, it seems that there are only antenatal ones in all of greater Manchester though :-( Surely as one of the biggest cities we should have them!
bigbelly now I NEED some strawberry laces. But not tomatoes. You can keep them grin
totally I've put on at least 3 pounds this week from evening bingeing alone, and 11 since booking - hardly have time to eat at work then can't stop once I'm near my kitchen. Need to curb it, I'll be huge at this rate as I've heard we're only meant to put on 1 pound a week from now on? Also large amounts of it are chocolate based. Am concerned that I'll give myself gestational diabetes with the amount of sugar I'm consuming.
slouching I thought the same about coats - have had to get one as it's so cold! Only £20 in new look online sale though.

Oops always forget 22+3

Slouching Good idea, I just finished antibiotics the other day for a urine infection and I have actually been getting pain in one side of my back so it is definitely possible that I still have the UTI, thanks for that. I need to phone for blood results on Monday so if it's still the same I will ask again.

Pg in summer is really good for clothes, I just lived in dresses last time, so easy and comfy.

Ellie Nothing like a good moan about the HV! grin I'm sure everything will work out okay, you have a lot documented and the school should be able to vouch for you aswell.

I was told last pg that I have a tilted uterus so that could have something to do with it too, wasn't nearly as bad as this last time though so could be a culmination of everything. <sigh>

Guavas I think that may be the same coat I've had my eye on! Does it have a furry collar? I hope you enjoy your holiday, 18 month olds are quite fun, it wont be like having a 6 month old there.

Thinkingof4 Fri 15-Mar-13 19:26:21

Goodness so much to catch up on again
notprincess tricky trying to work out when to start mat leave in that situation, surely your work can wait a few weeks more?

bigbelly from strawberry laces to tomatoes is quite a jump!

Tom does your wee one like soft play? Quite good to kill an hour or so on a wet day, I've found quite a small one near me that's good for younger ones and have been going quite a lot recently

slouching I'm struggling to do the zip on my waterproof jacket now so I definitely need sunshine soon

Can't remember any other specific posts just now and on phone
Re the munchies I'm really good all day eating healthy stuff then evening comes and it's all crisps/chocolate/biscuits! Not good but if I don't eat in evenings I'm so hungry by morning that I feel sick.
Such a busy week at work, I'm soooo happy it's Friday night again!

emblosion Fri 15-Mar-13 19:43:24

dinky that gite sounds great, ds is only 9 months tho so I reckon we'll be staying in Ireland or maybe venturing to the mainland . (I am not now googling holidays in France, ohnono grin

Haven't caught up fully with the thread but I didn't want to forget to reply! Right I'm off to read the rest!

dinkystinky Fri 15-Mar-13 20:20:23

Maybe one to remember for 2014 Emblosion.

Tom - local library or museums good for raising days in our house. Wellies and raincoats and pretending to be peppa and George pig splashing in muddy puddles were also popular when the kids were toddlers.

dinkystinky Fri 15-Mar-13 20:22:04

Rainy days not raising days!

Hi everyone.

Re: dry hands. One thing I've found that can help is to smother your hands in oil then slip on a pair of plastic gloves for a while (so you don't get oil everywhere). Any kind if oil will do - olive oil or whatever.

Had a long, busy day at work today. So glad it's the weekend! Looking forward to watching the rugby and relaxing.

Thanks schro, she is a cutie so it should be fun. She only speaks French though and mine is basic at best, could present a problem...
I liked the furry collar one but went for the short quilted jacket instead, seemed more spring like. Now tempted to go back and get that one, such a bargain!

TomDaleysTrunks Fri 15-Mar-13 21:25:46

Thanks all. Yep soft play is popular here and we did painting and baking this afternoon. However, DD was in a completely miserable mood so today has been bloody hard work. My mum is coming up tomorrow to help out as DH working all weekend - hooray!! So whinge over and out!

trustissues75 Sat 16-Mar-13 07:08:37

Hi all

Ive gotten hugely behind with this thread again!

Ellie - hope it all gets sorted out with the HV - Im considering saying thank you but no thank you to having an HV since I hear nothing but bad reports about them.

Shro - hope this grts sorted out for you re possible continuing UTI!

All is well here - baby girl nugget really enjoys using my bladder as a tambourine and I seem to have "blossomed" since last weekend. My nesting instinct has kicked in: I have this overwhelming urge to organise!

AmaDablam Sat 16-Mar-13 07:38:15

Morning all!

Ellie really glad you got some reassurance from your GP about the things the HV was saying. Schro your story sounded pretty awful too. I think there is a lot of back covering going on with HV's, probably as a result of things getting missed in the past and children ending up getting seriously hurt as a result - now some of them seem to be going too far the other way. Fortunately, as in Schro's case, Social Workers do tend to have things more in perspective - sadly there are all too many genuine cases of serious neglect/abuse that need investigating...trustissues I don't think HVs are all bad and from what a lot of my friends have said they wouldn't have been without theirs, so I personally wouldn't want to go down the route of not having one.

Ellie I find the best thing for dry hands is that Norwegian Formula cream. I keep leaving mine at work though, so I quite often just stick a on bit of good old fashioned Palmer's cocoa butter cream which I have for my bump, and that seems to work almost as well!

Like many others I am craving the sweet stuff. Cheesecake is a particular favourite - can't seem to get enough of it!

We're off to an NCT baby first aid course this morning, followed by a nearly new sale. Not sure I am looking forward to the latter as I've heard they can be a bit manic - I'm more of a browse-and-think-carefully-before-buying person than a grab-it-before-its-gone impulse buyer so I don't think it will suit my shopping style at all - but as we're there anyway I feel I should stay and have a look.


mysterymeg Sat 16-Mar-13 10:18:29

Thanks for the reassurance schro dinky and ellie I thought that would be the case but was getting worried anyway. Pregnancy is so illogical!

DH finally felt kicks this morning. He admitted he thinks he may have felt things for tge last week but didn't want to say in case he was wrong hmm. I was starting to worry about his sense of touch as I can see little one moving around in there now!

23 + 1

Abzs Sat 16-Mar-13 10:46:09

My DH has never felt a thing, even when it feels to me like Small is auditioning for Riverdance. As soon as he touches the bump all goes quiet.

Hopefully the calming influence will last...

I SAW a kick for the first time on Thurs. That was a bit freaky, but exciting too.

Just had a delivery of clothing from New Look. Skirt, trousers, leggings and thin jumper top. Have yet to to wear them properly, but will report on the staying-up-ableness etc. Trousers will clearly require turning up though.

dinkystinky Sat 16-Mar-13 12:34:31

Ugh, this weather is grim, grim, grim! Today has been taken up with ds2 doing a trial hip hop class and footie (indoors thank god) and ds1 doing drama (he got a narrator role in the big play next term and is super excited). Hoping I can persuade DH to take the boys to their swimming classes this afternoon so I don't have to venture out again! Our lovely doula is coming round this evening so may spend this afternoon baking nice stuff to eat...

Hope you enjoy your course and the sale Aka and that you're happy with your new mat wear Abzs. You will find shortly that your whole bump changes shape and size as the baby moves round - really rather surreal....

dinkystinky Sat 16-Mar-13 12:35:06

Sorry aka was meant to be Ama - Fricking autocorrect!

dinkystinky Sat 16-Mar-13 12:38:30

Trust - HVs where I lived when I had Ds1 were lovely - kind, supportive, very approachable. Hvs where I live now were not so great after having ds2 - one put the fear of hod in me over milk spots being a viral rash instead - so am more than happy to keep them at arms length and would much rather speak with experts I know and trust instead (gp, lactation consultant, etc).

How was the NCT sale, Ama? I'm thinking about braving one in a few weeks, but my shopping style sounds a lot like yours, so I don't know if I'm really cut out for it!

dinky an afternoon baking sounds perfect. I don't think I trust myself to bake anything at the moment because I have no self control and would eat everything I made.

trustissues75 Sat 16-Mar-13 13:03:10

Hey dinky

I've never had to deal with HV's but all I ever hear is overreactions, minimising of mums feelings and oodles of conflicting advice...they often seem to muddy rather than filter the post partum waters. I think that coupled with my extreme distrust of people in a position of power over me (past experiences of people on power trips etc.) I'm really really wary of having one. My midwife commented that I hadn't indicated a history of depression in my HV forms and I told her straight that I didn't want HV meddling in something she is likely to not know that much about and that I'm well versed in knowing when I need help and where to get it - MW kind of made noises of agreement. I suppose, like all professionals out there who only see a snapshot of you, you can end up with a really mixed bag - some great, some not so great, some bloody useless and some just plain frightening - the, a little knowledge is dangerous adage comes to mind

SlouchingPanda Sat 16-Mar-13 14:03:08

Dinky, an afternoon baking sounds like just the thing for a rainy afternoon. I could be tempted myself, but my afternoon of going back to sleep under my new down duvet is pretty perfect too! In my defence, I am limbering up for a run of 6 x 12h nightshifts so I need all the rest I can get!

Are you feeling any better, Schro?

This weekend's fun & games (apart from working sad) invoke picking up a load of maternity clothes and - wait for it - a puschair/travel system from a colleague. It's a Brittax Vigour 3+ for a bargain price, so figure we can try it and if it's a massive disaster we'll upgrade to something else once we know what features we do/don't like. Given my puschair shopping-phobia this feels like a big leap forward!

Enjoy your weekends, all!

trustissues75 Sat 16-Mar-13 18:16:53

Anyone got recommendations for favourite maternity wear at reasonable prices?

Supershiv1 Sat 16-Mar-13 18:22:21

totally & ama I went to an NCT sale today. Half hour after opening ad I wasn't brave enough for a scrum. It was ok but I am glad I was half hr late as there seemed to be plenty of people in there still and big queues for the tills.
Bought some clothes (including a bundle of 10 boys tops for £8 that look brand new and include a Ralph Lauren top that we saw in TK Maxx for £14 alone!!!), socks, little dungaree outfit, sleepsuits & more for £21.50 in total.
Most embarrassing thing was I was 15p short at the till blush but the woman subbed me!!!!
There was loads of buggies, slings, bedding etc and would have got a sling if I had done my research before.
People were literally filling car boots - definite bargains to be had for the brave!

dinkystinky Sat 16-Mar-13 18:38:26

Made Marslady's lemon drizzle cake and it was a hit with everyone - the kids even had second helpings! Lovely seeing our doula again too - she's such a lovely calm person. Its pouring outside again now so am hoping she managed to get home before the deluge recommenced.

Slouching - hope you had a good sleep and the week of night shifts passes quickly for you. Colleagues stuff sounds like a bargain!

Shiv - sounds like you snaffled some great stuff at the sale.

Trust - cheapest of all is eBay, but abit caveat emptor! Sales in new look and h+m makes their stuff - which I think was reasonably priced - really cheap - think sales are on now. Debenhams sale also on now. Think photographer said mothercare has a sale on - I am not a fan of their stuff as stuff I got from there in the past wasn't particularly well made, but in sale you may find something you like. Asos do maternity wear, as do top shop - their basic tank tops are good and often on offer I think. You can get 15 percent off at jojomamanbebe with the mumsnet code if you have your eye on anything in particular. I think some others have recommended peacocks - don't have one near me so not sure what the quality of their stuff is like, but reckon it would fall in the lower price points for stuff.

dinkystinky Sat 16-Mar-13 18:42:53

PS currently living in top shop/seraphine leggings or seraphine under bump jeans, slouchy asos tops with tank tops underneath and top shop mat jumpers at the weekend as have to be much smarter for work during the week (love my seraphine grey dress, 29.50 in sale, black under bump trousers and smart Isabella Oliver tops and Isabella Oliver wrap dresses for work - lots available on eBay).

iclaudius Sat 16-Mar-13 22:40:08

New look has NOTHING in stock - no under bump jeans under a 14 at all so frustrating
Check out dotty p website? Weird

iclaudius that is weird. Why bother with a maternity range if that's all the effort you're going to make?

dinkystinky Sun 17-Mar-13 07:32:46

How odd - new look must be moving to new season stuff. Didn't even know Dorothy Perkins did maternity wear (well I say did, but it doesn't really does it!)

dinkystinky Sun 17-Mar-13 07:43:28

Iclaudius - just checked new look site and showing skinny under bump jeans, boot cut under bumps and another type in stock in all sizes. Didnt try to put anything in basket though. Maybe they have had an overnight restock - possibly worth a look.

Cheeseandbread Sun 17-Mar-13 08:16:15

Loving the sound of the lemon cake dinky I might need to do done baking in a mo... Maybe cookies smile

Shiv your bargains sound good!

Can't remember who was asking about mat west but I like new look and h&m for basic wear- good trousers in h&m! I also got a nice wrap dress for work/just looking a bit smarter from jojo- good for breast feeding after bean is born too- I had a little giggle at the gaps in the boob area very immature blush

On other news I bought some nipple cream at the weekend (boots own- don't know if it's any good yet). My nipples have been a bit dry lately and I don't know if my mind has been playing tricks on me but I thought they also felt moist... Dry yet moist- strange I know... Looked like they were glistening with water the other day... Anyone else had this?

Also can you ask for mat b1 forms to be sent to you? My school seem to think they need it by Easter. But I texted my midwife and she said I would get it at my 25 week appointment (which is during the Easter hols so I'm confused...

esme80 Sun 17-Mar-13 08:23:25

Dorothy perkins had good variety mat clothes when i was pg w ds 2 years ago, maybe they are stopping range or something? Does seem strange...

cheese my mw had no prob sending me mat b1 a few weeks ago, when I was 22 weeks i think. They are not to be given out before 20 weeks I seem to remember reading, but most workplaces want them by 25 the lastest so shes not giving you much time?

Pancakes for breakfast now...

Devilforasideboard Sun 17-Mar-13 08:48:07

Morning all!

Totally DH and I braved an NCT sale yesterday and it was great! We're members (as we're booked in for their birth & beyond course in a couple of months) so got in early which was a huge bonus. It wasn't manic but it helped that I knew the main thing I wanted was a bouncy/vibrating chair so made a beeline for those. Got a chair, baby bath (was swithering about bothering with one but for £2 it doesn't matter if it's barely used), baby gym and teddy bear for £30 so very happy with that.

Cheese To my slight horror there was white discharge stuff in my black bra when I took it off last night and my nipples feel a bit funny having been fine for a few weeks so I think something may be going on.

Bobble sems to have turned round as I'm feeling kicks and movement round the back and in my bladder. Feels very odd!

I've now got pains at the bottom of my bump when I stand on one leg/walk a lot/turn over in bed. I'm trying to decide whether to wait til I see the midwife a week on Monday or make a doc's appt this week as I'm scared it might be the start of SPD. Does anyone have any advice?


iclaudius Sun 17-Mar-13 12:28:49

Dinky thanks for that but NOTHING in under size 14-16 on new look for weeks now - I'm ten ish and currently struggling in normal clothes till places stock up
I even wrote to new look to ask why but no reply

iclaudius I got my size 8 maternity jeans from H&M. They had loads of smaller sizes in store.

Abzs Sun 17-Mar-13 13:03:37

iclaudius Nothing I ordered last week is on the site now. Odd, because 3 of 4 were basic black jersey full price items - the kind I'd expect to be continuous stock.

dinkystinky Sun 17-Mar-13 14:08:47

Iclaudius I think its a badly set up sir. If you go to trousers section it says precisely what you are saying. But if you go to view all, it beings up the under bump jeans I mentioned earlier in all sizes including 8 and 10 - and have just done a beta test and you can add them to your basket. So try that way. My bil works in IT setting up websites for companies - and redoing them - and is constantly amazed at how crap some sites are through not even updating stock availability through the subsections properly, so I always try different ways to get to items if the site seems clunky.

Cheese - I think you can ask for a copy to be faxed/posted if needed. Some people get milk in their boobs early - some don't get it till after the birth. Breast pads are your friend if you are producing milk - I like tommee tippee ones (super thin, absorbent and disposable). Do not go for tesco basic ones - awful, scritcht, stick to your skin. Ouch!

Devil - great bargains there. If at bottom of bump and into hips does sound like SPD/pgp - you need a physio referral to figure out what moves to avoid (basically advice seems to boil down to keep everything parallel to the women with SPD in my yoga class).

Since posting this morning, I have been emitting from both ends and have awful nausea and gripey tummy pains so suspect am down with another bloody bug. Trying to sleep it off and starve it out by sticking to water only. Amazingly for once I'm not hungry so must be the right thing to do. Dh and the boys are being stars - bringing me water, toys and story books to cheer me up in between their rainy day schedule of homework, science experiments and DVDs (can hear them giggling away at Madagascar 2 as I type).

dinkystinky Sun 17-Mar-13 14:10:08

First line of last post meant to say badly set up SITE! Love my nexus but hate the autocorrect it has built in to it.

Hey everyone, will need to catch up when I have a bit of time.

No toddler free weekend for me, SIL had to bring DS back as he was ill on Fri, he got worse and we took him to OOH yesterday after noticing lots of discharge from his ear. Poor thing apparently has a viral infection that has turned into an ear infection and a probable perforated ear drum. sad She thought it was perforated but couldn't tell as there is so much in his ear. sad

I still feel rotten too and have taken an anti emetic today and have a bad stomach (TMI!).

AMA You're right, the SW had her head screwed on and obviously was experienced enough to know when there actually was a problem and when it was a complete over reaction. That MW made me feel like shit though, she made it out as if I would harm my child and he wasn't even born yet! angry

RE: New Look. I think it must be a seasonal thing, I have a pair of size 10 over bump jeans from there. Very comfy but massive for a 10 (I'm normally a 12 and they are quite loose on me).

Best bargains are at the second hand baby sales! I have a snuggle baby zip up swaddle wrap from one, still in the packet and I bought it for £1.

We bought a Hercules twin raptor. It's huge but I bought it as I already have the single and it is by far the best buggy/pram we have had and we've went through just about every make there is. Very sturdy, very comfy and has loads of space. You can fit a decent sized couple of bags of shopping underneath and it has a changing bag built in to the hood, the hood covers the entire seat so is great in summer and winter when they want a sleep and it practically floats up and down stairs. It even has a hand break!

Hope everyone is well. x


Runswithsquirrels Sun 17-Mar-13 14:28:47

I ordered some jeans from NL last week, added them to my basket, paid for them only to be refunded a few days later when they realised they were out of stock! I'm going to buy another pair of Mamas and Papas boot cut, £30 but lovely. They size them up a little though so I'm going to order the next size down now.

Dinky That sounds like the bug I have! I hope you're okay, it's bloody horrid.

Cheese I always get my milk very early and have had it this time since 16 weeksish. I can spray from about 10 different holes a couple of metres across the room. Very sexy, eh? I even managed to squirt myself in my right eye with my left boob! shock Last pg I first found my milk by squirting it half way across the room on to DP's laptop screen while he was using it, think that gave him a shock!

Lansinoh breast pads and nipple cream are your friend, expensive but you wont regret it. Last thing you need is dry cracked and sore nipples before the baby is even here. Last time I ended up with an infection because I was engorged at around 22/23 weeks, so watch out for them filling up a lot, lots of pain, heat or discharge.

cheekbyjowl Sun 17-Mar-13 14:40:37

Oh my goodness schro.that must be annoying to put up with but thats pretty funny. Super soaker boobs!

dinkystinky Sun 17-Mar-13 14:44:26

Hmm sounds like NL have major supply issues then.

Sorry you didn't get a child free weekend Schro - ear infections are horrible. Hot water bottle against effected side seems to help - as does alternating calpol and nurofen infants for the pain. Ds1 - who is part fish I think given his love of swimming - gets them a lot. Yep, virus is gross - haven't been sick or emptied myself for a couple of hours so am hoping I can stave it off as have busy work week ahead and my partners on deals I am on are on holiday. I second the lansinoh cream (if going in to deliver first timers, take it with you) and breastpad recommendations - they were my favourites too last time but abit more pricey than the tommee tippee ones which I found to be just as good.

Cheek Think I'm used to it now, must have given DS a bit of a shock when he first went on the breast though! grin

Dinky I think my DS is a fish too, he's a lover of water and goes mad for it. He's been getting the calpol and nurofen (love the new bottles and syringes!) and he's on yucky banana tasting anti biotics. I really feel for you having to go through it all the time with yours, it's horrible. sad

Hope your virus settles down, very annoying that we aren't allowed anything like immodium. sad

The lansinoh is pricey but very worth it and lasts ages, I never tried the tommee tippee ones so I probably will this time as money as tight, thanks for the tip.

dinky I hope your getting better & it's just a quick bug.

DD has had a fever for the last couple of days. No idea why, probably 'just a virus' but she's very clingy & couldn't sleep last night. I was up with her from midnight to six, so currently reading the papers and MNing in bed while she naps and I think my mum is going yo take her out for a bit this afternoon if she's not too cranky. (DD, not my mum!)

Cheeseandbread Sun 17-Mar-13 16:48:29

Schro you just had me laughing out loud! The boots cream I bought I don't like... It smells fine- bit like E45 but has lumpy bits in it... It was only about £3 though so maybe I'll go for the more expensive stuff.

Dinky you seem to know about everything... I hope I'll have the knowledge you posses one day. Glad you are feeling a bit better. Bugs are horrid!

Devil it seems we may be in the same boat...

Esme and Dinky thanks for mat b1 advice- I've text the MW and asked if it can be sent to me, so I'll have to wait and see.

I made some cookies earlier and am munching now smile


Always glad to give a laugh. grin

I'm sitting munching a full pack of cream cheese and a box of breadsticks... Think the anti-emetic helped.


Cheeseandbread Sun 17-Mar-13 17:18:19

Schro just realised you've been poorly too- poor you! Glad you are munching now. I felt like cream cheese earlier too- and phillidelphia is half price in tescos st the mo- whoop whoop!

I might need some toast and cheese again now...

Haha, it's okay. smile More worried about DS than me but he's seeming better and has been sleeping for 2 hours! <dances>

Ohhh, cheese on toast...

I've just ^finished an entire tub of cream cheese> and half a packet of breadsticks. blush

Gingerpanther27 Sun 17-Mar-13 17:48:56

lol schro at the milk gun situation grin just checking in to say hi and give sympathies to those who need it smile think it was bigbelly who had the strawberry laces fetish craving i had the same problem with the fizzy ones lol blush was not helped by me nearly bursting into tears in the middle of tescos when they were out of stock blush DP didnt know where to look whilst trying not to wet himself laughing grin ive discovered ebay for nappies and trying really hard not to burn a hole in the plastic wink but there really cute and im bored and dp is feeling sorry for himself because i might of assisted in accidently poisoning him blush
24+0 <doing a viability dance> grin

dinkystinky Sun 17-Mar-13 18:23:51

Glad Ds is on the mend and you are feeling better Schro. Hope you find some fizzy laces and dp recovers soon Ginger. Some of my friends from when ds2 was born got so addicted to reusable, they set up their own nappy businesses.

Bug now morphed into hot and cold flashes, fever and headache so hope can sweat it out. Ugh.

lizincornwall Sun 17-Mar-13 18:43:19

Hilarious posts on boob guns girls - I didn't know this was possible this early! Anything else pregnancy can throw at us?

Boring topic, but has anyone gone back to work really early after having a baby, and how did you find it / manage it?
We've just moved to a new area & DH is looking for a job but it's hard going. I've kept my 3-day a week working from home job (jammy), but if things continue I'll have to start back at work 6 weeks after the birth. I guess I'll just be in the next room, but already feel like I'm missing out on doing things with DD (who's 15 mths) by not being able to go to many baby groups. I know things could be a lot worse, but just don't know how I (or DH to be honest!) will get on with him being the main carer so early on. I need to get over myself, don't I?

Sorry, promisse my next post will be cheerier & less self absorbed!! blush

Hope those with SPD concerns get their physio referrals. I saw a physio last time and their tips worked wonders - just things like how best to get out of bed LOL!!

Thinkingof4 Sun 17-Mar-13 19:18:08

dinky and schro hope you feel better soon, illness when pregnant just feels so much worse!
Ginger it's easy to go mad buying stuff isn't it esp on eBay when it's all so cheap! I was trying to buy a dress for a wedding on the net yesterday and ended up watching a lot of things on eBay but managed to hold back from bidding. Managed to find a lovely looking (new) dress on eBay for £20 but I'm fx it fits as they only had size 8 and I'm normally a 10. Seller says it's fairly stretchy so I think I'll be fine as long as my boobs don't grow too much more!! Wedding is at start of June when I'll be 36 weeks so anything other that looking like a tent will be a bonus

liz no experience of going back that early bit sympthies if you have to as I'm sure it would be really hard.

VinegarDrinker Sun 17-Mar-13 19:23:17

Evening all. Hope you have had good weekends and those of you who are ill get better soon. I've had a week of basically alternating night and day shifts - my fault for agreeing to a couple of swaps, but my body clock is seriously fucked and I feel grim. Highlight was projectile vomiting across the changing room at 3am on Friday morning, having been on my feet since 8pm and eaten nothing but a whole bag of Tangfastics blush

Had a lovely day with DH & DS today at the Museum of London Docklands - highly recommended if you are ever in the E London area, free and fab for little ones. And just on my way in to another night shift. Hoping for a night of well behaved babies all popping out on time, normally and quickly!

VinegarDrinker Sun 17-Mar-13 19:27:51

liz I would think you will be fine, especially as you'll be working from home. Will DH have your DD too? I went back at 6m last time & will be doing the same this time, including runs of 13 hr shifts, and nights, but even before then tbh in between feeds we tried to be very 50/50 from the word go. Actually DH did much more than me in between feeds in terms of nappies, winding, slinging, trying to persuade him to sleep...

I think it can only be a positive think for babies to develop a strong secure attachment to both parents from a young age. It also fits in much better with my gender politics and feminism!

dinkystinky Sun 17-Mar-13 19:37:46

Liz - lots of people working for themselves go back early - and as Vinegar says its lovely for baby to get lots of time with dad too. I think mat leave in the US is 2 months or so, so Marimama may have had some experience of this too.

dinkystinky Sun 17-Mar-13 19:42:09

Vinegar - those shifts sound super grim. Hope you have a much more civilised week this week and a straight forward peaceful night on the ward tonight. Mum worked in OBS and gynae when pregnant with me and told me tales of 48 hour shifts when I was knackered working long hours when pregnant with DS1. I definitely take my hat off to the mums and mums to be in the medical world!

iclaudius Sun 17-Mar-13 20:42:12

Dinky!!! Thanks so much !!! V kind but are you talking dotty p or Newlook now!!

dinkystinky Sun 17-Mar-13 21:18:57

Sorry iclaudius - clearly not making sense in my current state - was talking new look. If you're size 10 and tall top shop under bump trousers may do the trick for you (I always have to get the petite ones as only 5 ft 4) if new look supply continues to have issues.

PhieEl06 Sun 17-Mar-13 21:44:19

Evening ladies, popping on to say hello, have had a quick read through, deary me you girls know how to talk! Spent the weekend down in Windsor with my sister & her husband for his dining out of the army, was a lovely evening, very posh but felt gutted as drinks were cheap & I'm knocked up!! Spent the evening looking after everyone as some were that drunk they couldn't talk/walk.
Not looking forward to going back to work tomorrow, why can't weekends be longer! sad

MarieKL Sun 17-Mar-13 21:47:39

Phew, just caught up after a week with DS at my parents.

Sorry to hear so many of you are feeling poorly or have little ones who are poorly. Roll on Spring when hopefully the number of bugs will reduce.

I can't remember who asked but it's a statutory requirement that if you're off work with a pg related illness in the last 4 weeks before your due week your maternity leave automatically starts. If you're on annual leave at the time your employer should allow you to carry it forward and take mat leave.

All the holidays sound wonderful. We're going to the Yorkshire Dales in May. Wish it was somewhere warm but the break will be great.

I'm also eating like mad. Already put on a stone and only 25 wks. Wish I had a tomatoe craving, rather than cakes, crisps and chocolate!

Does anyone know where I can get cotton maternity breast tops from? I need them to go under my wrap dresses or I end up displaying my bras!

lizincornwall Sun 17-Mar-13 21:55:27

Vinegar - those shifts sounds horendous. Certainly puts my moan into perspective! Hope this week is much calmer for you.

I agree it will be lovely for DH to bond with the little ones - i think I'm just jealous smile

MarieKL - I'd love to know whether maternity breast tops exist. I sometimes used bump bands up higher if I needed to make a top more respectable (is that what you mean??). Mothercare do some simple maternity bras (no underwiring) that just look like the top of a vest top that might work??

Cheeseandbread Sun 17-Mar-13 22:08:34

Marie I just use H&M basic vests- they are not specifically maternity but are nice and long so cover bump and are good and stretchy. My usual size us find for now but I may need to go up a size in the next few weeks...

Phie just noticed we have the same due date smile


orangebubbles Sun 17-Mar-13 22:48:08

Found you smile wow, you lot can talk!

Hope all is well! 22weeks tomorrow and I have something pertaining to be a bump but to the outside world, when clothed, still looks like I've just eaten one too many hot cross buns!

AmaDablam Mon 18-Mar-13 07:58:24

Morning all!

Just catching up quickly after a busy weekend. NCT sale was great! We had a massive advantage as having gone to the First Aid course (brilliant - run by the Red Cross and organised by NCT, would highly recommend) beforehand, we had an hour to kill before the sale started and were allowed to use this to browse. Therefore I just loitered by the items I liked the look of until we were given the go ahead to start buying. I ended up spending £54 and got loads of stuff, including a Babasling for £10, a hardly used changing bag, changing box with loads of unused products in, a microwave steriliser, 2 pairs of summer maternity trousers and 3 packs of assorted vests and sleepsuits. Despite my opportunity to browse I did make a impulse couple of purchases I now regret - a breast pump - on the way home I started to realize a second hand breast pump, especially when you don't know the previous owner is more than a bit dodgy, which a quick google confirmed -, and a Dream Genii pillow which I couldn't resist at £4.50 but on closer inspection is covered with rather suspicous looking stains. Oh well, you live and learn...

Visited a friend yesterday too who has given me a few more bits, including a binliner full of newborn/0-3 month clothes. Last night I counted everything up and we now have 21 vests and 15 sleepsuits!! More than enough I should think. My only worry now as that we'll have a massive baby who'll go straight into 3-6 month clothing and have nothing that fits her. (Seems unlikely though given the current size of my bump - my friend yesterday kept saying "I can't believe how petite you are for 22 weeks" - perhaps she thought that was slightly less offensive than "wow your bump is tiny, do you really have a baby in there?!")

Hope everyone is feeling OK today, sorry to hear about those who are feeling poorly/achy/have milk leakage issues. Thankfully no milk in sight here yet, although my boobs have been really sore again the last few days and are having yet another growth spurt - the bras I bought a couple of weeks ago are already starting to get tight sad


dinkystinky Mon 18-Mar-13 09:19:14

Ama -sounds like you got some great bargains. DS1 was a 9 lber and was fine in 0-3 month stuff. He didnt go into 3-6 month stuff till he was around 2 months so you'll get plenty of use out of your freebies. I bet if you give your dream genii pillow a hot wash with soda crystals and dry it out (ideally in the sun if we ever get any) it will come up good as new.

Marie - hope you had a lovely time with your parents. Same as Cheese, I just wear vest tops/tank tops underneath wrap dresses/low v tops (dont need to be maternity, just super stretchy - good for after the birth too when bfing). H&M basics or top shop basics are good.

Phie - am impressed at you going to an Army do when not drinking. One of DH's best friends used to be in the army so we used to go to lots of those - drunken carnage is the best way to describe it. Must have been kind of surreal for you.

Feel better, just post viral today, so struggled in to work and keeping everything crossed wont have have a repeat of yesterday...

BB01 Mon 18-Mar-13 09:20:15

Well done Ama on your purchases! You've now got me wondering as I bought a second-hand Ameda Lactaline and didn't really consider whether it is safe to use them secondhand. Just googled it and it seems that closed systems are ok to reuse but not open ones. However I'm still unsure and don't know whether I should just sterilise it or buy a new collection system, or chuck it!!! Any wizened expressers out there know?

BB01 Mon 18-Mar-13 09:22:31

Sorry for late reply re holidays with babies all those who responded! I agree you can do holidays on the cheap (I should know, until my last couple ours have been about as budget-conscious as you can get!) and hope we can stretch to something even if we have to relive our backpacking days or settle for last minute packages. I do enjoy UK holidays but really feel the need for sunshine!

trustissues75 Mon 18-Mar-13 09:50:35

I really need to get myself to one of these NCT sales!!! Do you have to be a member to go to one? I didn't bother signing up for any antenatal classes this time but have thought of becoming a member of the NCT because they seem to have a lot going on. Anyone here a member?

dinkystinky Mon 18-Mar-13 10:08:42

I think you can go without being a member Trust - members just get to go in earlier. Check your local nct website for details of the next sale date.

photographerlady Mon 18-Mar-13 10:23:12

Morning all. Hour delay on the train this morning angry.

On the plus side I am 23 weeks today and little one is kicking me constantly everyday now. Its so weird that all of a sudden last week went from no movement to a few kicks and hour. I always make fun of my DH cause he gently knees me in his sleep and say that she is doing the same to my bladder.

Marie hope you had a nice time at your folks and better weather than the weekend I had.

AmaDablam great finds at the nearly new sale! I will have to keep my eye out for a changing bag as I cant talk myself into buying one and you gave some great ideas.

iclaudius Mon 18-Mar-13 11:46:58

Morning all!!
Anyone NOT had scan yet ? I am feeling a bit left out now !

elliejjtiny Mon 18-Mar-13 11:52:52

Morning everyone. DS2 has kindly shared his cold with me so I've been coughing and puking more this weekend. This morning I got a phonecall from the HV saying she had contacted social services and they had decided not to take it further grin. Hope my experience hasn't put anyone off having a HV, there are some bad ones around but some of them are good. The one I had with DS1 was lovely when I had PND and anxiety. I used to ring her at least once a week, convinced DS1 had an ear infection, cystic fibrosis or meningitis and she never told me I was being an idiot.

Found out that one of the mums from school is pregnant too, due in June. Will be nice to have a RL pg buddy and DS1 will have someone to share the joys of big brotherhood with too.


dinkystinky Mon 18-Mar-13 12:00:27

Glad Social Services applied some common sense Ellie.

Iclaudius I think there are a few ladies due at the end of July yet to have their scan.

trustissues75 Mon 18-Mar-13 12:02:08

Excellent news from the SS ellie - great when you hear about them applying common sense!

iclaudius Mon 18-Mar-13 12:06:28

So pleased Ellie although I felt totally confidant for you all along xx

bigbelly4 Mon 18-Mar-13 12:07:02

Morning ladies!

Wowsers there has been a lot of shopping going on! Me too, although mine were not NCT bargains wink. But have bought pram/pushchair and new car seat with isofix (so smallest gremlins dont undo baby seat belt by mistake!) also found 2 grobags in loft that i thought i had got rid of so i'm pretty chuffed as they were my favorite.

Re maternity clothes, I appear to be a bit oddly shaped (never really thought i was before!) and I'm fairy tall (5'11) so even extra length stuff often comes up short on legs. I have found that Jojo maman bebe does tend to fit, as does boden - but wish i could buy cheaper stuff as i this is probably last pregnancy. So will probably stick on ebay when im done!

I can now report that the strawberry lace addiction has passed, TBH if i see another one i think i may puke! But the tomato one is still going strong - so much so that in Sainsburys this morning i bought so many that the checkout lady was convinced i was making soup for the 5 thousand!

Am finally going back to the gym this week, after my fainting trick a few weeks ago! I really do feel better for keeping up with some level of fitness and even if i just swim, its better than nothing!

Have started sorting out the old nursery and deciding it needs a re-vamp. Cant decide what to do though as we are team yellow. Want something quite funky but not so 'out there' poor baby wont be able to sleep.

toodlepip for now,

23+5 (i think, getting confussed v easily ATM)

photographer if you join the boots advantage card parenting club they give you 10 points per £ on baby purchases and a voucher for a free boots changing bag if you buy a bag of nappies.

Glad to hear everything's sorted, ellie

bigbelly we've never had a nursery as always in rented places, but how about a white with bright rainbow or zoo animals theme, or baby blue sky with clouds? They're fairly unisex.

CitizenOscar Mon 18-Mar-13 12:49:43

Trust - most Nct activities are open to non-members including sales & in my area parties & breastfeeding cafe & meet-ups etc.

VinegarDrinker Mon 18-Mar-13 12:57:38

I've never had a changing bag and haven't missed it. Just had a little pouch with wipes and nappies (plus clean vest/babygro if sticky/prone to poonamis) that me or DH chuck in whichever bag we are using that day. 90% of the stuff people lug around with them is unnecessary imho!

Hey everyone.

For anyone in Scotland, we have the Jack and Jill market and Rock a Bye baby sales. They're brilliant and worth a google.

Ellie I'm so glad to hear everything went okay with the SW, she obviously had some common sense!

vinegar we're the same - I have a washbag that fits a few nappies, wipes, spare vest and leggings, a tiny freebie nappy cream and a sachet of ibuprofen. I don't think there's much else I've ever needed except a muslin and spare boob pads when I was BFing.

elliejjtiny Mon 18-Mar-13 14:15:46

totally a washbag with a few bits in sounds like a good idea. I'm determined to travel light with this baby, it will be so much easier when I'm out with all 4 of them.


Thinkingof4 Mon 18-Mar-13 14:39:33

Wow I'm kind of jealous of everyone's baby buys, I haven't bought a single thing for baby yet and probably won't buy anything before baby born. I do however have boxes and boxes of baby stuff in the loft and even thinking about all those cute wee vests and babygros is enough to make me go a bit gooey about meeting my lovely little baby! I might cave and buy one outfit before baby born!!
Ellie really glad common sense has been applied! I know what you mean about it being nice to have another expectant mum at school- I keep looking round hopefully to see another bump, but the only one I've seen so far is ds1's teacher and her first one is only about 2. Most of his friends are one of 2 so no more babies on the way!

vinegar hope you've got some time off this week to catch up on rest, that's sounds tough! I've got 2 oncall days in next 3 weeks and that's bad enough but at least not overnights! I'm starting to count how many oncalls I have left and hoping I'm not going to be on call in June as I'll be huge by then! Really need to work out my finish date which will be first half of June sometime.

dinky hope you are managing ok at work and not feeling too lousy

iclaudius when is your scan? Must be soon, is it this week? Good luck with it, are you planning finding put gender or staying team yellow?

bigbelly I agree rainbows/clouds/ blue sky would be lovely for a nursery. Our nursery remains completely undecorated so we aren't planning doing anything to it <lazy>
totally wash bag sounds good, only problem I have is using washables and having 2 in nappies mean I tend to lug a huge bag around. Oh and having reflux babies who need multiple outfit changes doesn't help much either. Be lovely to travel light though grin

Snowy here again today but not lying at all, just a bit cold and miserable. I'm planning a veggie tea from hugh f-w's veg cookbook tonight with butternut squash, sweet potato and carrots with noodles and looking forward to it already. It's supposed to be with Chinese 5 spice but unfortunately this was substituted in my last online asda shop for thai 7 spice....may be interesting!!


emblosion Mon 18-Mar-13 14:55:46

hey all, just popping on quickly to say my intuition was correct - it's another boy!

have updated the stats list & added us to team blue smile

mothercare have some nice rainbow stuff in at the moment, i got some really cool sheets for ds with multicoloured clouds, dots and animals on. i'm not a fan of pastels, much prefer bright colours.

dinkystinky Mon 18-Mar-13 15:30:24

Hmm, that veg dish sounds good Thinking - hope the spice substitution works.

Emblosion - congrats on blue bump!

I have a skip hop change bag kicking around somewhere I used for ds1 and ds2 - liked the easy access pockets at the front for muslins, hand sanitiser, happy bags, snacks etc. Wonder if will be able to find it ...

photographerlady Mon 18-Mar-13 16:06:18

Afternoon all, hope everyone is having a good day. I just spoke to a co-worker whose wife was over week overdo but had their baby at the weekend. 11LBS!! Holy heck! I think I need to stop buying clothes just in case I have a big baby, I never imagined 11lbs. Happy and healthy though which is important but apparently giving mom and dad no rest day or night.

dinkystinky Mon 18-Mar-13 16:18:58

He will do soon though photographer - the first few weeks are a shock for all, most of all the baby, but then it all settles down. Colleague had a 11 lb and then a 13lb baby - both vaginal births. Mind you, she and her dh are both over 6 ft 2...

esme80 Mon 18-Mar-13 16:52:55

11 and 13 pounds, wow... I thought my 9 pound 1 little one was big! Although he was born 2 days before due, so if I had gone over suppose he would have been a bit bigger...

Am also a bit jealous of baby shopping, dont need anything apart from a double pushchair. Have found a used bugaboo donkey I am buying, still expensive though... But also found a friend of a friend who is buying my cameleon so that helps a bit. And no, I dont work for bugaboo, just slightly obsessed with them...

Bigbelly are next longer length too short also? I am 5'10 and they work for me... So hard to find longer length though, like clothing companies dont realise tall women also get pregnant!

BB01 Mon 18-Mar-13 17:03:48

Still catching up with this thread! Ellie that is fantastic news. You must be so relieved.

Emblosion- many congrats!

Sashabella0 Mon 18-Mar-13 17:45:15

Iclaudius. My scan is on Monday. Only a week to go now!

iclaudius Mon 18-Mar-13 18:01:55

Oh sashabella that means you may be officially last !!! I did read on the NHS website that scans were supposed to be up until 'twenty weeks six days' and I am 21 already so that's irrationally p'd me off!!

MrsMillions Mon 18-Mar-13 18:23:35

OMG 11 and 13lb babies have scared me somewhat...

Bigbelly we are team yellow, are going for cheerful secondary colours so green walls (one shade up from apple white, hit the tester pots yesterday Dulux are 3 for £1), bright orange chair, some purple somewhere (maybe curtains) and a bit of jungle theming too with wall stickers and other accessories.

Ordered pram yesterday, had decided on Bugaboo Cameleon and delighted to get free car seat with Mothercare.


Sashabella0 Mon 18-Mar-13 18:45:10

I'm 21+5 and going to be team yellow so the wait probably isn't so painful for me! My hospital also scans at 32 weeks so I've got that to look forward to. grin

AmaDablam Mon 18-Mar-13 19:32:18

Congratulations on the blue bump Emblosion!

Glad everything was OK in the end for you Ellie with HV/Social Services thing.

BB01 re. the second hand breast pump, I read that about open vs closed systems too but the one I got was a manual one (the standard Aveda type) so I didn't know what that counted as. Either way though I now can't shake the thought that it has had someone else's bodily fluids going through it, and from what I read on t'internet home sterilizers won't necessarily get rid of all human borne infections. It's probably only a tiny risk but I don't think I'm going to take it. It only cost £5 so it's not that much money down the drain, and I've seen a brand new one on Amazon for £18, so would save my wasted fiver in comparison to buying from a shop iyswim.

Thanks for the tip about the dream genii dinky. I looked at it again and realized it does have a cover on it and the pillow underneath looks and smells perfectly fine, so I'll just give the cover a good wash and that should do OK.

iclaudius my hospital is very strict about scanning at 20 weeks +/- 3 days. They wouldn't give me a scan appointment at 20+4 when DH would've been off work.

dinkystinky Mon 18-Mar-13 20:01:27

MrsMillions - my colleague and her DH are amazons - don't let it worry you too much!

emblosion Mon 18-Mar-13 20:10:49

Thanks all smile

ellie forgot to say earlier, really glad everything worked out with ss. I felt sure all would be ok but it must have been such a worry.

Apparently my dh was 13lb when he was born (the horror!) his mum was v petite too. My ds was 9lb and his 98 centile head was quite enough for me grin

re changing bags, I just used the free one from boots (think I had to join the parenting club to get it) and it was fine (impossible to travel light as ds was very sicky and ff).

PhieEl06 Mon 18-Mar-13 20:44:36

Wow I am getting behind lately!!

Cheese ahhh yes! What's the betting though that they don't make an appearance when they're supposed too!

Dinky I feel impressed with myself, it was drunken carnage yes! Going to the bar with my dad to get a double whiskey, a double brandy, a vodka redbull & a pint of lager all for only £1 was amazing! Army bars are fun!! However bit sad that my last chance to experience it was a sober one but hey ho!

Photographer re movement; I am exactly the same, this time last week, felt barely anything, now getting a few good boots an hour, watching my belly move is fun tho! smile

Ellie great to hear that SS have used their brain a little, I'm sure HV was just doing her job but not nice for her to make you worry like that!

Emblosion congratulations on blue bump!

Wow I think I've caught up, I hope everyone is having a nice evening!

CitizenOscar Mon 18-Mar-13 20:44:40

Iclaudius - think I was 21+6 when I had my scan. Felt like AGES but kept telling myself it would then be less time between that scan & actually meeting our baby.

MrsRoss26 Mon 18-Mar-13 21:22:41

Blimey, scans at 32 weeks? You are spoiled! I've had the last of mine at 20 weeks. Team yellow here too, and enjoying alternating which gender I refer to the baby. No idea how we're going to decorate the baby's room yet though. Is there any way of avoiding the 'cutesy' look, without being boring/too adult?

On the clothes front, I've got to say that I'm really impressed with the H&M mamas tights. I bought a 100denier (I love really black tights) pair, and they're ridiculously comfortable. I'm still trying to fit into normal dresses wherever I can, and the tights are helping keep me look decent while the hemline rises!

Thinking we haven't really bought anything for the baby yet, except a second-hand moses basket. I don't think it's urgent yet, so no worries!

No idea how to catch up, having fallen so far behind, so apologies for not name-checking. Wanted to say hullo though and join in the baby kick celebrations - our little one has started doing high jumps on my bladder I think!

MarieKL Mon 18-Mar-13 21:32:23

Thanks for all the advice on tops. The vest tops I have at the moment keep riding up my tummy (result of too many cakes rather than a growing bump I fear) so I'm off to look at ones in the next size up.

Emblosion Great news on the blue bump.

Ellie so glad to hear common sense was applied, though sorry to hear you're now poorly. What a week you're having.

Dinky I hope you got through work okay and are feeling better.

Bigbelly We're team yellow too and planning on re-using the fish stickers we got from an online company called FuntoSee for my DS's room. Bit pricey but excellent quality (survived our house move) and really made the room look bright and cheerful.

Lovely to hear everyone is starting to feel more movements, and I'm impressed with all the baby purchases that have been going on. Esme I'm particularly green with envy over your bugaboo donkey purchase. I'm going to be using the 2nd hand Geko we got for DS but I absolutely love the Donkey, just can't justify it with DS now 3!

DH is away with work tonight so going to spend the rest of the evening catching up with chores and admin, and hoping the snow predicted in Scotland doesn't head down to Northumberland! Hope everyone else has a good evening.

iclaudius Mon 18-Mar-13 23:08:04

Embolism congratulations - lovely brothers!
Totally egg hmmm makes me even crosser although early blood results means I get scans at 28 32 36 weeks so plenty of chances to see baby . Bloods suggest baby could be small but last baby was two weeks early and induced due to hugeness!!

trustissues75 Mon 18-Mar-13 23:53:29

Congrats Embolism!

Had a restful day today - if you can call researching for best broadband deals and doing battle with a FWexH over visitation arrangements restful...but at least I was curled up on the couch most of the day!

Nugget has been boubcing aroubd a lot and DP actually saw my stimach jumping last night - he found it fascinating.

Im off to bed - sleepy vibes (and healing vibes to those feeling poorly). hope everyone has a good night

Supershiv1 Tue 19-Mar-13 08:10:45

I keep staring at my stomach for jumping beans...... no luck yet!

MightBeMad Tue 19-Mar-13 08:50:33

Morning all. I'm feeling under the weather again so I've got a bit behind but you've dropped off my 'threads I'm on list' so I'm marking my place to come back later!

MightBeMad Tue 19-Mar-13 08:51:09

Oh 22 weeks today - time is flying!!

dinkystinky Tue 19-Mar-13 09:31:00

Morning all - finally feeling human, thank god. I hate being ill!

MightbeMad, hope you feel better soon. I blame all the bugs flying around on this flippign weather.

Supershiv - you clearly have a chilled bean for the time being - long may it last.

Marie - hope you avoid the snow! Cant believe its still bloody snowing - its March FFS!

MrsRoss - never had a nursery for the boys, they were just in with us or in the spare room. We did decorate their rooms with decals when we redid the house - DS1 has space invaders and airplanes and clouds above his bunk beds) and DS2 has a jungle and savannah theme going on in his room (both have white walls with a splash of colour from rugs and curtains in their rooms).

bigbelly4 Tue 19-Mar-13 10:58:52

Well I have just really embarrssed myself at the school drop off! Having a bit of an issue with DD who seems to be invisable to her teachers, as she just gets on with things and isnt a little oik!

I tried to talk to teacher about it and ended up bursting into tears and walking out before i fully broke down - I know i'm hormonal but i am also so p'd off with the situation that it's taken its toll. [Embarrassed]

I'm so far removed from being a pushy mother but really feel that each child should be able to reach their own personnal potential. She is not brains of britain nor is she struggling with her work but she is just lost and not progressing as she was as the teacher seems to be spending more time policing than teaching. He's a really good teacher when he actually teaches but he hasn't heard her reading in over a month, not marking her homework (i know they wont correct spellings/grammer etc) or even acknowledging she has done it. [Angry]

Right, sorry rant over.

TomDaleysTrunks Tue 19-Mar-13 11:00:27

Morning, glad you are feeling better dinky, rotten being ill.

Come on little shiv, start wiggling!

Vinegar - hope your awful shifts have been alright. Bloody hard work innit.

DD has had D&V since Friday, I'm hoping she's on the mend now. It's a cbeebies fest here, I'm so bored! On the plus, I've bought her new bedroom furniture and picked the paint for her room (green).
Hope everyone else is doing well
21+3 I think - keep losing track.

dinkystinky Tue 19-Mar-13 11:19:41

Ah iclaudius - its hard when you feel your DC is lost. I think its pretty hard for teachers to ensure everyone in a class of 30 is ontop of things and reaching their potential, especially when there are some pretty disruptive children in the class, but hopefully now your DD's teacher has been alerted to the fact that your DD is being missed out, they'll rectify it. FWIW, as long as you're managing to read at home with her I dont think she's missing out on teacher not hearing her reading - but the homework certainly should be marked/acknowledged.

Poor DD Tom - its awful seeing them so ill. Hope she recovers soon, bless her.

Went in to see DS2's nursery teacher this morning - they've really noticed his love of art and painting and crafts. He seems to be his own little individual at nursery too which I'm very proud of - they've been studying animals and making clay figures of them. While all the others did dogs, cats etc, DS2 did a panda bear, DS2made an igloo for him and his friend the polar bear to sleep in instead of a cage or hutch grin

elliejjtiny Tue 19-Mar-13 11:29:53

bigbelly4 you poor thing. I cried at school drop off once when I was pg with DS3. It was DS1's first week of school and he was crying. I knew if I just left he'd be fine in a few minutes so I did but felt so guilty I burst into tears in the corridor outside the classroom. Hope you manage to improve things for your DD at school.

tom hope you are enjoying the furniture shopping. I always end up making cynical comments when cbeebies is on which DS1 finds hilarious. I called a puppet a hypochondriac the other day, really need to get out more blush.


dinkystinky Tue 19-Mar-13 11:36:34

Sorry, my last post was to big belly, not iclaudius. Clearly not quite back to normal.

iclaudius Tue 19-Mar-13 12:15:27

Big belly yes I've been there and empathise so much - It's parents evening tomorrow and my dc5s teacher really doesn't seem to 'get' him. I know I'll struggle to keep the waterworks at bay but like you it's not hormones . If we don't stand up for them who will?
How old is dd?

paolocee Tue 19-Mar-13 17:18:54

Woah, so much to catch up on. Two Ronnies and GF doing fine. No genders yet - the Swedes don't like to tell unless they're 100% certain. Cat nearly died last week. Very tearful time but he was saved. House renovation causing havoc. Hello to all - just marking my place really.

Abzs Tue 19-Mar-13 17:55:41

24+2 and dopplered today. Heartbeat loud and clear, so I'd like to join the viability dance now please grin

Today I gave in my MatB1 and my notice at my part time job. I'll be sad to leave, but going back doesn't make financial sense. Finshing at 31 weeks to coincide with DH's offshore rota and the only week we have free for a holiday in May (which I fear may be half term, as so many places are booked up already).

Paolo Hope the cat is on the mend.

cheekbyjowl Tue 19-Mar-13 18:42:06

Hi to all

dinky i like the panda story. How sweet and imaginative. I love reading about everyones older children, gives a taste of what we have to look forward to.

bigbelly my dh and i do childrens work and its true that it can be too easy to get distracted by the troublemakers and not have so long for those that seem settled and i think i would appreciate it if a parent said they were worried. Just ask if he can hear her read soon and encourage her a little.

Sorry for those that are unwell. Awful isnt it?. I miss pharmacuticals, honey and lemon dont cut it smile

Belly is growing a little more but still looks like podge more than a baby. My dad saw me and politely mentioned i was gaining a bit of weight...he had forgotten i was 5 months pregnant smile only put on 5 pounds so far so think its ok but nows the time it doubles right?

PhieEl06 Tue 19-Mar-13 19:30:57

Evening all, very very hormonal today, cried all the way home from work & haven't stopped since, feeling a bit low & everything is really getting on top of me at the moment, might mention it to my midwife when I go for my next antenatal on Thursday but I do feel like I'm just being stupid & it will blow over. Hmm can anyone cheer me up with jokes or anything?
Hope everyone is well! 22+3 I think confused

bigbelly it is a bit miserable having to focus on the troublemakers and classes are too big - I've got 33! But if your dc's teacher is a good one, he'll be very aware of those quiet ones too - we are quizzed at regular progress meetings about all children and I'm actually more aware of those quiet middle ones in case they get lost in the madness!

Check whether the teacher does guided reading - I find it much more effective to a good half hour of unpicking a text together in a small group than having to rush through a few minutes of hearing each child read individually. So they're still being 'heard' read by themselves, but they get the chance to bounce ideas off others and get a better understanding of what they're reading.

Also I'd be much more worried if the Literacy and Numeracy books weren't marked than the homework. If I'm pressed for time that's what I prioritise as that's what helps me spot their needs - it's hard to tell how much support is given for homework. Maybe ask to see those books at parents evening?

Hope that helps and doesn't make it worse - I'm not a parent (yet grin) so can only speak from this side! Hope parents evening goes well, as someone else said I would prefer parents be honest about concerns so I can either reassure them or deal with the issue!

bigbelly4 Tue 19-Mar-13 19:46:48

Evening ladies, well my hormonal crying has continued throughout the day, topped off with ds1s school concert!

Headteacher phoned me listened to my concerns but not overly confident things will change. Guess I will know how shes doing when she does her sats - boo hiss! Only 18 in class so should have a bit of one to one/small group reading. Generally really happy with school and both ds1+2 are happy and settled.

Phie - im with you! A complete blubbering mess today, really down and either in tears or angry! It will pass, although it doesnt seem like it at the time.

So basically bath and bed is the plan for me

dinkystinky Tue 19-Mar-13 20:23:03

Ah bigbelly, in a class of 18 did really should be able to feel supported, so now I see why you are so upset by it all. Its good the head teacher called you and hopefully you will see improvement from here on in.

Phie - are you tired? I find my hormones can drive my mood really low when tired. See if you can have a nice relaxing evening and an early night and if it helps at all. If not, please do mention to MW - hopefully she will reassure you that you are not alone.

Paolocee - sounds all go at your place. Hope the cat recovers well.

Cheek - I have put on 2 stone so far - and am not eating for two. Judging by my shape its all bump and boobs too. Not much I can do about it - and I know its the way I carry (am short with short body). We all carry differently but your bump will suddenly appear soon.

TomDaleysTrunks Tue 19-Mar-13 21:15:05

Quick post as bent over my ball with back

Dd "mummy, I've a crack in my bottom".
Hahaha grin

Thought I'd cheer you all up!

dinkystinky Tue 19-Mar-13 21:34:42

Ah bless your dad Tom - that certainly put a smile on my face. Hope your ball helps alleviate your back pain.

dinkystinky Tue 19-Mar-13 21:35:48

For dad read DD <stomps off muttering about that Fricking autocorrect function that refuses to be turned off>

TomDaleysTrunks Tue 19-Mar-13 21:42:33

Would have been funnier if my Dad had said it wink

MarieKL Tue 19-Mar-13 22:11:26

Tom you made me smile too, thank you.

Phie I hope things seem better in the morning. Sometimes all the small things just become too much and I honestly don't think this yucky weather is helping.

Bigbelly really feel for you too. I hope things get better at the school. Must help to know that both DCs are happy there though.

Iclaudis good luck for parents evening tomorrow. That feeling of being just about to cry is awlful isn't. I had to dash out of DCs Nursery on Monday before I burst into tears, as I handed in our notice because he's starting a preschool attached to a primary school in April, but on the way in he was pointing at all the staff and saying 'look there's my friend'! I wouldn't mind but for the last year he's cried when I've left him, but the last 3 weeks he's happily waived me goodbye! I just hope we're doing the right thing by moving him.

Dinky I love the panda bear story. Glad you're feeling better

Shiv I didn't feel any movements with DS until between 24-25 weeks so hopefully it won't be long now before little bean starts jumping.

Paolocee Glad your cat is okay, and I hope the House renovations don't go on too long.

Abzs I hope you manage to find somewhere for your holiday. It must seem really strange finishing work and knowing that you won't be going back.

Sorry not to reply to everyone else. Feeling really tired so off to make a hot milky drink and then go to bed. (Oh for a class of wine and a night of dancing!) Hope all those who are ill or have ill DC feel better soon.

lizincornwall Tue 19-Mar-13 22:30:39

Hi ladies

Ellie - good news in the SW front. Common sense wins!

Emblosion - congrats on team blue smile

Phie & Big Belly & Iclaudius - everything can get so frustrating at times - I never know how much to put down to hormones & how much is 'real', which somehow makes it worse! Hope you're getting rest, and never keep it in - let it all out grin

Palocee - pleased the cat's ok!!!

Just catching up really. Thanks for the reassurance of my going back to work at 6 wks - I'm getting my head around it now, & you're all completely right about it being a great time for DH. We've had a chat, & he's agreed to watch less Homes under the Hammer do more activities with DD to get in the swing of things if he'll be looking after 2, & I need to leave a bit of mess for longer before nagging hmm
Thanks thanks

lizincornwall Tue 19-Mar-13 22:38:48

Oh, & the nursery decoration ideas sound fab btw!

iclaudius Tue 19-Mar-13 23:56:06

Liz I want to live in Cornwall (sulks)

Paolo glad all well and team yellow! Hope cat ok pm me if needing advice as dp specialises in felines ;)

Marie I swear that's the way with daycare . Just get sorted and its over

So as the granny of the thread (45) I have my 21+ scan tomorrow and am absolutely bricking it - wish me luck please 1.50pm - v nervous

Cheeseandbread Wed 20-Mar-13 06:21:48

Just a quick post to say good luck iclaudius

TotallyEasterEggFlipped Wed 20-Mar-13 06:23:21

Good luck, iclaudius! I hope you have a great scan.

dinkystinky Wed 20-Mar-13 06:27:36

Good luck for today iclaudius

Runswithsquirrels Wed 20-Mar-13 07:48:14

bigbelly I agree with everything guavas said. Guided reading is often neglected but so much learning happens in it and the children love that one on one time with the teacher. So jealous of a class size of 18! I have just gone down to 29. The lowest I've ever had was 26 in year six and it was amazing how much more you could do and how much more focus you could give the chn.

I'm not in school today as I went for my 25 week GP check up yesterday and he didn't like the trace of glucose in my pee and the fact a fingerprick test was low at 2.9 so he's sent me off for a fasting blood test. Am bloody starving and already lightheaded so this'll be fun. I'll be chugging down that glucose drink like it's manna!

I hope everyone is well and not too many Kleenex are needed. I tried telling my DP I was weeping because I was hormonal the other day (when someone stole a hubcap off my new car) and he said I have always been a weeper. And dang it, it's true - I bulb at everything anyway!

Runswithsquirrels Wed 20-Mar-13 07:49:11

And good luck iclaudius!

MightBeMad Wed 20-Mar-13 08:36:54

Good luck iclaudius and runs!

dinkystinky Wed 20-Mar-13 09:08:08

Hope all is ok Runs and you have some good reading material with you.and have got your appointment soon.

Abzs Wed 20-Mar-13 09:55:01

Good Luck today iclaudius Also re granny of the thread, I'm sure someone said they're 46 so you may have to fight for that title!

MarieKL It was a bit strange to actually say to my manager that I'm not going back. However, he knows what I get paid and what the going rate for childcare is round here as his DW is a CM - so he understands that it doesn't add up financially, even if he doesn't want me to go (which is nice smile ).

dinkystinky Wed 20-Mar-13 10:13:48

Abzs - half term around our area is last week of May - hopefully you'll find somewhere perfect for your holiday. And v envious of you finishing up so early - will give you plenty of time to chill before the baby arrives.

Sugarkane Wed 20-Mar-13 10:39:39

Good luck iclaudius smile

elliejjtiny Wed 20-Mar-13 11:03:10

Good luck for your scan iclaudius. My granny had a perfectly healthy baby when she was 43 and I know quite a few others who have as well.

runs good luck for the GTT today. I've got the midwife on friday and I'm worried I'll have sugar in my wee with all the honey and lemon I've been drinking.

Can't remember who said what so I'll bold the subject instead of the posters name.

re colds yep, I'm missing the proper drugs too. really want some lemsip, cough medicine and a decongestant spray. DH's helpful advice was to fill the sink and bath with hot water and steam the snot out, oh and I might as well clean the bathroom at the same time!

re weeping I think there is a random hormone surge at around this time. I always have a crying phase at around 25 weeks and then a "how am I going to cope with a/another baby" panic at around 30 weeks.

The school secretary asked me if I was pregnant this morning. Really pleased as I thought I looked more fat than pregnant. She also didn't say anything negative about the cleft lip which was good, I'm finding a lot of people say quite negative things and I have to keep reminding myself that it's not that bad.

iclaudius Wed 20-Mar-13 11:21:12

Ellie I had one at 44 !!

Persuasion Wed 20-Mar-13 11:23:10

Gosh we can talk, I can barely keep up. And baby brain means I can't remember who said what!

Good luck to those with scans/tests today. My GTT is next thursday, I'm really not looking forward to it.

In regards to hormones I think I've always been quite weepy, but it does seem a bit worse at the moment. Although thankfully it doesn't seem a problem at work, mostly when I'm watching TV!

I don't know if the tights conversation is ongoing, but I'm still wearing my 'normal' tights with no problem, even though all of my pre-pregnancy trousers are all now out of use. The tights just seem to be stretching over the bump still. I think I'll stick with them as long as possible.

BB01 Wed 20-Mar-13 13:09:20

Good luck iClaudius and Runs and anybody I've left out!

Just wanted to share my best purchase yet, maternity-clothes wise. I struggle to find jeans that fit me well and that I find comfy at the best of times let alone with pregnant. Have bought and returned numerous pairs and was on verge of giving up when I came across these beauties


They actually fit me, don't fall down (well maybe a teeeensy bit over several hours), and are the comfiest jeggings I've ever found apart from the leggingsy ones and were quite reasonable (£20). I'm so relieved as it'll open up a whole new world of clothes for me to wear (ones that I already have). Had been wearing solely dresses with leggings but have lots of nice tops just sat in my wardrobe that I'd not been able to wear. Because they're very jeansy, and not leggingy, you can really wear them with anything.

Just wanted to share on the off chance anybody with the same shape and size as me (which is probably unlikely as I seem so oddly proportioned!!) is struggling to find jeans that fit and hasn't considered these!

MightBeMad Wed 20-Mar-13 14:15:06

Thanks bb01 I'll give them a try (really struggling for jeans here too!!

BB01 Wed 20-Mar-13 14:19:10

Noticed this while lurking on the June thread:

^Littlemissexpecting Thu 14-Mar-13 13:41:40
Just noticed the July club are in thread 6, I thought we talked a lot!!^

Sorry if somebody else already spotted this first (still behind on this thread!)

BB01 Wed 20-Mar-13 14:19:21

sorry, my italics clearly didn't work!

dinkystinky Wed 20-Mar-13 16:02:16

Well I guess we do talk alot BB01! Glad you've found some mat jeggings which suit you perfectly.

Runswithsquirrels Wed 20-Mar-13 16:21:56

Well, it seems they didn't want to do the GTT in full, I have to go back for that in Easter. The wait was rather painless and the ancient looking hospital ran quickly. I hate needles and didn't even feel it going in. I don't know if blood nurses are getting better or my arm is just immune to the sensation now!

I hope everyone else is having a good day!

photographerlady Wed 20-Mar-13 18:27:16

Hi all. I have been off sick the last two days as I am foolish and managed to hurt my back at the weekend. I had two slip discs last year so my back still has silly moments if I do something like leaning forward filling out paperwork. So spent the last two days walking about the house in pain, avoiding sitting with a swollen back. And since the front is all round now I feel like a whale. My clothing not fitting at all anymore doesn't help :p

dinkystinky Wed 20-Mar-13 19:00:59

Runs - glad you got your bloods taken without too much hassle. They always seem to have to dig around to find a good vein for my bloods - not looking forward to my gtt in April.

Photographer - ouch that sounds super painful. Poor you. Are you seeing/referred to an osteopath for your back?

photographerlady Wed 20-Mar-13 19:12:12

dinky seeing someone next month, I thought it was a bit weird when they suggested it a few weeks ago but my belly is making my posture wonky so glad they suggested it now.

trustissues75 Wed 20-Mar-13 19:17:53

OOf - I've had a rough 48 hours - long story to do with ex and visitation..

Anyhoo - did anyone hear from iclaudius yet?

Sorry about your back, photographerlady.

AmaDablam Wed 20-Mar-13 19:27:44

Hello, just checking in. Not much to report here...

iclaudius good luck with your scan. I think the other person on the thread in her mid 40s is BadMissM (apologies if I've got that wrong). Come to think of it I don't think I've seen any posts from her in a little while so hope she is OK.

BB01 thanks for the jeggings tip. My maternity jeans from New Look that I was so pleased with last week, suddenly seem to have morphed into one of the most super-uncomfy garments I have ever had the displeasure of wearing sad. I don't know if I've put on loads of weight on my hips and thighs in the past few days or just the effect of sitting at my desk for long periods of time, but they're really tight around the crotch. They've also started to go bobbly already and I haven't even washed them yet! Not impressed.

Photographer sorry to hear your in so much pain with your back. Hope it eases off soon.


AmaDablam Wed 20-Mar-13 19:31:48

Sorry iclaudius just saw trustissues comment and re-read your post and realised your scan will have already happened. Hope all is well.

iclaudius Wed 20-Mar-13 19:32:00

Hello all. Scan was good - v long and chatty- two sonographers very interested in the harmony test as I was their 'first' they totally see it as the way forward and seemed to think it will replace Michael in a couple of years...!
Baby was v v v active ( scary) but all looked good.
Went to empty bladder after and had small bleed which I've never had before so a bit unnerving but trying to rest now

iclaudius Wed 20-Mar-13 19:32:47

Replace Michael??? How funny ! 'Nuchal' of course !

Thinkingof4 Wed 20-Mar-13 19:35:30

Hope scan went ok iclaudius

bigbelly and others re weepiness I'm often like that esp wih stuff relating to the boys whether I'm pg or not!

I'm not sure who mentioned 30 week panic but I think I can see that approaching too

paolo glad scan ok and team yellow is a good place to be!

photographer hope back is improving

trust sounds v stressful, hope you've rl support to talk about that

Anyway another exhausting super busy day at work but still feel I'm doing ok and want to keep going till at least 36 weeks. My eBay purchase arrived - a lovely dress to wear to a wedding in June. I'm pretty pleased with it at the moment in terms of the fit so fx it still fits me in about 10 weeks time! I did try stuffing a cushion up there too to simulate what I might look like and well, erm, I'm glad it's got some stretch to it!!!

Thinkingof4 Wed 20-Mar-13 19:37:47

X post iclaudius grin at Michael test
Hope you have no more bleeding, lovely seeing an active little baby!

AmaDablam Wed 20-Mar-13 19:45:48

Glad your scan was OK iclaudius. I did wonder what this new "Michael" technique was until I saw your second post!! Sorry to hear you had a bleed, hopefully with some rest that will be the last of it.

Thinking, glad I'm not the only one who stuffs cushions under things to see if/how they will fit in the months ahead smile. Unfortunately the dress I got on ebay last month that was intended for a hen do this weekend needs a much bigger bump to fill it out, so that'll have to go back in the wardrobe in the hopes that another opportunity to wear it comes up when I'm further along. Hey ho, at least it was an excuse to buy an alternative outfit smile.

TotallyEasterEggFlipped Wed 20-Mar-13 19:46:18

Glad to hear you had a good scan iclaudius. I hope the bleeding has stopped and you're taking it easy. grin at a Michael test.

trust I hope things are ok and you have RL support. Sounds like the kind of stress you could do without!

photographer - ouch! Hope your back gets sorted soon.

dinkystinky Wed 20-Mar-13 20:09:04

Glad you had a good scan iclaudius - hope the bleed has stopped now and you're resting and being looked after by dp.

Trust - sorry your ex is causing you stress. Hope things get sorted OK and stress levels die down soon.

Ama, Thinking - lol at you stuffing cushions down your tops. I'd have to stuff ds2's space hopper down my top to simulate what I will look like in 10 weeks time.

iclaudius Wed 20-Mar-13 20:32:33

So team yellow here btw!

MiniPenguinMaker Wed 20-Mar-13 21:07:36

Hello you talkative sorts.

I'm 23 weeks exactly today - how time flies! Just starting to have this overwhelming urge to buy lots of baby clothing, and rearrange the bedroom (no mean feat - there's quite a bit of stuff stored in various bookshelves, desks and wardrobes!). Is this nesting?!

Also beginning to get some discomfort in my hips/pelvis. Bah. Let's hope it stays relatively stable...

23 + 0

MarieKL Wed 20-Mar-13 22:04:11

Abzs Glad your manager was supportive.

Trust Sorry to hear you've had a rough time. I hope things get better.

*Mini sounds like nesting to me and if it gives you the energy to get everything done then all the better.

Iclaudis glad the scan went well. I was very miffed about Micheal until your second post smile

Just happened to tune into a radio programme today when travelling between sites on swaddling and thought you all might find the link to the video below showing how to safely swaddle a baby useful, if you're planning on trying it. I did try with DS but he was just to wriggly and my sleep deprived befuddled brain couldn't work out how to do it!


Photographerlady Ouch! I hope the pain goes soon.

Can't remember who looked at the April thread but the comment about our thread made me smile, along with those suffers cushions under their clothes.

dinkystinky Wed 20-Mar-13 22:12:58

Mini - get an exercise ball and blow it up so super firm and try sitting on that instead of sofa - make sure your hips are higher than your knees. Might help alleviate aches starting in your lower body. I agree with Marie - sounds like you are nesting!

photographerlady Thu 21-Mar-13 06:43:31

Morning all. Well I am off back to work today to make up for the two days I missed. I may look into one of those balls as well seeing sitting is the worse thing for your back. I found a maternity one online for tall ladies so could always use it now til labour day.


AmaDablam Thu 21-Mar-13 07:16:48

Morning all. Hope work goes OK today photographer.

DH was away last night and whilst I hate not having him here, I must say I've just had the most wonderful night's sleep - didn't wake once and when morning came I was actually still on my left side with my wedge-cushion under my bump! There is clearly much to be said for having the bed to yourself...

Did anyone see One Born Every Minute Last Night? (DH hates it so another perk of having the house to myself) The one lady who didn't have any pain relief other than gas and air was so serene it was impossible - just a little oooh, ouch, aah and the baby was out. Then I flicked over to catch the end of BBC3's "We're having a baby" which is more about younger parents and there was much more screaming and "It f***ing hurts, I can't do this anymore!!!!". I suspect I am going to be much more like the ladies in the latter programme when the big day comes....

Thanks for the info on swaddling Marie. Talking of radio shows, DH found this one, "Bump Club" on 5 Live:


It's on at the ridiculous hour of 11pm so we've been recording it. None of it's rocket science, even to the uninitiated like me, but it's interesting nonetheless, and the ladies they are following are all at about the same stage as us.

Runswithsquirrels Thu 21-Mar-13 07:58:48

Oo Ama I intend to be like the first woman you saw. Am already reading up on hypnobirthing and trying to condition my mind. There is no need for pain!

trustissues75 Thu 21-Mar-13 08:20:56

Thanks guys - it's all a bit of a stress really. The ex has decided to bring himself and his new family to the UK for 6 weeks and is demanding he take our son to London and Paris without a court order..and guess when they're coming? Yup, you've guessed it....from my 36th week till the middle of week 41...amazing and such a coincidence....

trustissues75 Thu 21-Mar-13 08:23:01

Ooh, Ama...yes! I saw it last night. I was marvelling at her too. I went super-sonic with my first!

trustissues75 Thu 21-Mar-13 08:34:35

Also, tonight on ITV at 9pm - Home Delivery - who's watching it?

Grannyapple Thu 21-Mar-13 08:43:33

Morning ladies....I'll join the backache club...I thought it was due to my new shoes (got some nice wedges from m&s for work), but I actually have my ball set up in the living room but rarely use it (ds does tho...he loves rolling it around the room & then pounding it as if its a drum!). Need to get back on it every night now...tho I'm thinking I could do with a new chair in work too...

Re OBEM..recorded it, so looking forward to catching up on it tomorrow when I'm off (& can have a good blub!). I had a waterbirth with no pain relief (went into hospital at 9cm dilated....was convinced I was only 5 at the time!)..then 90 mins later, DS arrived. But I was expecting to be cussing constantly (& in my Glasgow accent, I was fearing for the mw's grin). But you might surprise yourselves ladies....when I turned up at mw unit, mw thought I was too calm to be in labour & was going to send me home, til she checked me! (Think I was zoned out....after 12 hours of contractions!). I am soo hoping this one will be quicker!

Busy day at work today (HO meeting to fall about financial results)...will be glad when today is well & truly over!!

Hope everyone has a good day!

22 + 6

Grannyapple Thu 21-Mar-13 08:45:36

Ooh trust will need to watch that too...DH is going to love me hogging the remote tonight for a change grin. Hope ex DH comes to some sense soon for you, to ease up on your stress levels.

esme80 Thu 21-Mar-13 10:05:08

I also have obem recorded, looking forward to ds's nap to watch it... I think everyone reacts to labour and pain in their own way, I was a lot like granny got to hospital at 8 cm and had gas and air. I went very quite, didnt want to talk scream or anything just kind of went into myself. Was pushing for almost 3 hours though, so hoping that might speed up a little this time...

dinkystinky Thu 21-Mar-13 10:29:27

I think you're right Esme, every one does react in different ways. With DS1, I was pretty calm to start with - but screaming when pushing as seemed to help focus the pushes. With DS2, I was pretty calm the whole way through out - and it was alot quicker than DS1's birth (4 hours after my waters broke, 3 hours after the first contraction hit, he was in my arms).

Photographer- you dont need a maternity one, a normal exercise ball works just fine and may well be cheaper. I'm 5 ft 4 and use a 75 ball so I suspect if you're tall you'd be wanting an 85 or 95 ball. Make sure you really pump it up so its very firm.

Trust - that sounds super stressful! hope you get resolution soon.

bigbelly4 Thu 21-Mar-13 12:02:19

Hello ladies!

Well I am over my hormanal blip and feeling much better now - thank you for all your nice messages. Think half the problem was I get to see how the teachers operate more than a "normal" mummy as i go in and help every week, and had seen lots of V bad behavior. Head has addressed the issues i had and has assured me that despite not being logged in DD's book she has been doing guided reading and her homework is being looked at. So all good

On other topics - labour first - i dont think there is a right way or a wrong way to react we all do it in our own way. I have been v lucky so far with my labours, all relativly easy (as far as these things go) and tend to not make noise or talk, just go into myself and concentrate on the job in hand! Pain relief wise, go with the flow - make things easier for yourself by not staying on your back but at the end of the day go for what suits you. So far i have managed on Gas and Air (and nothing for my 3rd uber quick 29min labour) but if, this time, it goes on for longer/harder i wont hink twice about having whatever i need.

Jeans wise - i have some mega comfy over the bump boden ones. Normally i hate over bump but these has been really good! Also have some mamas and papas under bump, which look fab but i am constantly pulling them up. TBH cant wait for it to warm up and get into dresses/skirts more - haha wishfull thinking as we are due snow tomorrow.


esme80 Thu 21-Mar-13 12:11:59

Also have to add and agree with big belly, there is no right or wrong way of coping with labour. Have as much pain relief as you want and scream as much as you need to get through it!

dinkystinky Thu 21-Mar-13 12:19:30

Wow bigBelly - 29 minutes is quick!

Hey everyone, struggling to catch up due to hyper toddler but just thought I would let everyone know that the New Look under bump jeans are fab, I got a deep red pair and they are really comfy, tops are great too and their vests were only £3.49!

Also got a pair of really comfy underbump jeans shorts.

Will say though that the jeans were a size 8 and the shorts a 10... I'm normally about a 12-14 in jeans, their sizes are huge.

Also, the TKMAXX's around here are all selling lovely slings, they are selling babasling lites for £26 and similar slings for £16!

Wow, just seen BigBelly's post. 29 minutes is super quick. I have only been induced and took ages to get to 5cm, DS was born less than an hour later though and MW's refused to believe I needed to push and thought I would have been nearer another 12 hours. That was on my back with a (failed) epidural, hoping it will be as quick this time when I should be able to move and float about a lovely hot pool in my bedroom.

Is anyone watching the show on tonight about homebirths? Looks very OBEM only at home! Excited!

elliejjtiny Thu 21-Mar-13 14:11:42

I watched bits of OBEM last night, interrupted a few times with DS3 falling out of bed and DH coming in and telling me I shouldn't watch it while pg. Felt so sorry for the lady who had to do most of it on her own because her OH was looking after their DD. My labours have been quite quick (4.5 hours, 1.5 hours, 2.25 hours) due to my hypermobility. I was very serene with DS1 (at home in the pool), shouted a lot with DS2 and somewhere in between with DS3. I think it was the gas and air that made me shout, as I only used it near the end with DS3 and I was quite serene before then. DS2 was back to back so I used it like a life support system, only pausing to throw up and beg for pethidine! Hoping to try hypnobirthing this time. TBH I'm dreading the stay on the postnatal ward more than the labour. I've never been there before and some of the stories about them on mumsnet are quite scary.

Thinkingof4 Thu 21-Mar-13 14:12:50

OBEM provoked quite a discussion in our house last night, the bit showing the previous traumatic shoulder dystocia made me blub (I remember watching the whole episode when it was first on, I think I was pg with ds3 at the time and it was one of he scariest things I've ever seen)
Anyway dh got annoyed I was upset and couldn't understand why I was watching it till I explained I cry every week watching OBEM even the normal deliveries!! We then started talking about what this labour would be like and DH told me he's worried in case something happens to me. I suppose I hadn't really thought about it too much but it made me realise that labour is hard for the men too, just in a different way

I've been pretty lucky with deliveries so far, induced twice but relatively quick, and then a spontaneous labour with ds3 which was really quick- well not compared to bigbelly but certainly less than 3 hours of established labour, and not much pushing required! Fx I get another one like ds3, it was short, intense but utterly amazing and done mostly with just my tens machine as I was waiting for a bad on midwives unit and couldn't get gas and air till I got there! He was born about 15 minutes after getting to midwives unit ( was in assessment unit up till then but I don't think they quite appreciated how quickly things were progessing. I seem to go from 5cm from fully and needing to push v v quickly! Anyway else had this?

I'm a bit worried about delivering at home by mistake as we are 20 min from hospital if no traffic and at least double that at peak times.
I definitely do not want a home birth!!

Can't remember who mentioned hypnobirthing but I'd recommend the natal hypnotherapy CDs, i used this in preparation for arrival of ds3 and it definitely helped me

Thinkingof4 Thu 21-Mar-13 14:13:35

Bed not bad grin

SlouchingPanda Thu 21-Mar-13 14:19:59

Just popping up from my night shifts to do a viability dance - 24+0 today! grin

I've done 5 nights so far with one more to go, and I'm ruined. I have proper pregnancy cankles, despite my compression stockings, and my body aches everywhere. I am normally an excellent sleeper but haven't quite zoned my body in, plus always have to get up to pee at about 1400!

In other news, I HAVE GOT A TRAVEL SYSTEM! Albeit second hand from a mate, but it is in great nick and has everything we need. Who wants a brand new Bugaboo, anyway? Me, probably

Also got loads of clothes from her too so I am much better prepared, and can finally ditch the hairband as trouser extender effort! Blooming marvellous under bump jeans v comfy, and seem to stay up better than the my over bump H&M ones. Generally though, dresses are my friends - so comfy.

Labour-wise, I have seen a lot of labouring women, and whether they are the silent or screamy type, I take my hat off to all women who cope in their own way. Apologies for a sweeping generalization, but the younger women in my experience often make one hell of a racket but just get on with it (a fine example being the one who delivered in our Maternity Assessment Unit toilet the night before last having got to fully at home without realising). My fear is not being the loud screamy one per se, but being the loud screamy sweary one begging for a section at 2cm because I can't cope with early labour pains smile. At least I am not delivering where I work so I don't have to look the midwives in the face every day on my return!!

Sorry not to namecheck individuals - I am half asleep! Off back to bed before the final slightly tonight!

TotallyEasterEggFlipped Thu 21-Mar-13 14:21:47

29 minutes!!

I was induced with DD and had my membranes ruptured, but no drip etc and it took around 3 hours. That felt plenty fast enough for me!

photographerlady Thu 21-Mar-13 14:25:04

Sooooooo bored at work. We took on a underling which I have been training the last two weeks but we have no new content in so work is very dull at the moment. And I just found out that Monday I have to train my leave replacement! I have two months left.. Now there will be 3 of us with nothing to do in the office. We are in between TV seasons so no real footage to work on. I guess my last two months of work is going to crawl by. Thank goodness for the internet grin

dinkystinky thanks for the advice on the ball I have a 95cm incoming in the mail, curse my slow work days and online shopping habit. If anything it will be good for my back while watching tv hopping away.

one born every minute TOPIC looking forward to seeing it but the 4OD player has been broken all day. I think my biggest hope for my labour is to be drug-free or at the very least gas and air. Roll on hynobirthing classes.

SchroSawMargeryDaw and trustissues75 thanks for the heads up on the Home Delivery programme.

photographerlady Thu 21-Mar-13 14:26:14

p.s. SlouchingPanda congrats on 24 weeks!

dinkystinky Thu 21-Mar-13 14:49:54

See I tried gas and air with DS1 and HATED it - made me feel dizzy, sick etc. but other friends loved it and rave it over. Each to their own - find what works for you through trial and error and just get through it I say.

Congrats on hitting viability Slouching - hope the night shifts are over soon.

Thinking - DH is also worried about something happening in birth which is why he vetoed the homebirth idea, which is ok by me as I want him to be comfortable and not worried too.

DS1 and DS2 are doing a 4k stomp for charity tomorrow with school - looking at the weather forecast I think it might be more of a splash...

MightBeMad Thu 21-Mar-13 15:16:18

Dinky, I also hated gas and air for the same reason and kept only taking the minimum number of puffs to get me through a contraction but really disliking it. Ironically, it was only when the anaesthetist came to put in my epidural (which scared me even more than the feeling of gas and air!) that I really breathed hard and continuously on the g&a to take me completely 'out of' the moment when the epidural was sited and I think maybe that was where I was going wrong with it - getting the negative effects without using enough of it to get the effect of distancing myself from the pain. On that basis I'm going to try again with it this time around and see how I get on. Am totally terrified of the whole prospect though, especially the thought of re-tearing my old tears from dc1. Can any of our 3+ timers reassure me on that??

Still off work here but starting (fingers crossed) to feel a bit better. Let's hope by next week I'll be totally recovered! Hope everyone else who's poorly is also on the mend?

I'm with you all on the back pain etc. finally got my maternity pillow down from the loft and have started blowning up my ball to sit on. Saw an osteopath on tues too. Not sure if she's going to help but thought it was worth a go.

I'm also finding that gentle exercise, although a bit uncomfy at the time, is making me generally more comfortable, so I'm hoping to carry on with that for a bit. On which note, I'm off out for a walk (in my newly purchased, 2 sizes larger sports bra blush )


dinkystinky Thu 21-Mar-13 15:19:57

First timers - look away and ignore this post.

Mightbe - I tore again with DS2 but it wasnt as bad as with DS1 (only a few stitches needed whereas for DS1 I was being sutured for a v long time). There are things you can do to reduce the risk of tearing- labouring in water can help soften (I suspect being in the water longer would have been beneficial with DS2's birth - as it was I got in and gave birth shortly thereafter) as can positioning/support on perineum in birth from MW. Put on your birth plan you're worried about it and would like assistance re positioning etc to reduce risk of tearing.

esme80 Thu 21-Mar-13 15:33:08

mightbe when I had ds I had a third stage tear that had to be sutured in theatre. This is my second dc so no experience yet re following births, but had a consultants appointment a few weeks ago and got A lot of info. She said that you are at biggest risk for a tear with your first birth. So if you have had one, you will be at higher risk of tearing again than another woman having her second baby who didnt tear during first labour. But you will have a lower risk of tearing again than when you went in for your first labour. Am I making any sense here? My midwife said water birth would reduce chance of tear, but consultant said nothing like that would make a difference, and the one thing that can help if necessary is an episiotomy, as the cut is in the other direction of a bad tear and hopefully gives a bit more room.

Oh and to first timers, I healed up quickly and had no lasting problems at all so doesnt have to be so scary...

bigbelly4 Thu 21-Mar-13 16:03:55

Being a 3+ timer -heres my story:

Ds1 I tore quite badly has oodles of stitches (
All internal) but managed to avoid needing to go the theatre. TBH I had no idea ihad torn so badly as I didnt feel either the tear at the time or the stitches (thanks to aneasthetic jab!) Labour was 4.5 hours had gas and air, hated its side effects but hated pain more!

Dd I had some minor "grazing" that needed no attention. This was a quick birth and delivered her head whilst hubby ran to get midwife. Labour was 37 mins. Has gas and air for about 10mins and stopped it when I started pushing

Ds2 I had no tears or grazes at all and he shot out! He was my 29min labour. Didnt get pain relief other than using visualisation skills

All 3 weighed the exactlythe same (6lb14)but did have slight head circumfrence differences. I think when you tear first time, depending on where, Its more of a patch it up job as they expect you may have more babies.

I really fancy a waterbirth as they just sound so natural, fingers crossed!

dinkystinky Thu 21-Mar-13 16:21:22

Big belly - given the speed of your labours I reckon it'd be a race to fill the pool in time!

AmaDablam Thu 21-Mar-13 17:59:51

Ooh, really glad to have started the OBEM conversation. Thanks for all your comments and stories ladies. I don't mind admitting that I go through phases of being scared sh**less a little nervous about labour and it really helps to hear other people's stories and being reminded that all sorts of people can and do get through it in all sorts of ways. Knowing that others have managed to get through it without screaming the place down is a comfort, although I don't intend to feel too bad about it if I do!


esme80 Thu 21-Mar-13 18:22:27

ama when I was pg with ds I was TERRIFIED of the birth. But having been through it and being fortunate to have a positive experience I feel quite calm this time...

bigbelly4 Thu 21-Mar-13 18:27:33

dinky - very true! Really concidering having a homebirth, and MW is keen for me to have one but there is a little bit of me that says "what if" we live a good 20 mins away from hospital, which although not far could be if things go a bit t*ts up! Had to call an ambulance when DD knocked her self out and had to wait 50 mins for it (as we are rural, there is no hub near us).

Ama - I think whatever number your on you have moments of being petrified! However things go the basics are pretty similar, eg it hurts - but by heck it is so worth it when you have your baby in your arms!

Also bare in mind that there is always someone who's had a better birth, more traumatic birth, more pain, no pain,great care, crap care, longer labour, shorter labour! amazing how competitive birthing seems to get when ultimatly however your baby enters the world, it's here and we are flipping fantastic woman to be able to grow a human inside us and cope with however it comes out!!

Thinkingof4 Thu 21-Mar-13 18:58:41

Totally agree bigbelly all that really matters is having your baby safe in your arms once it's all over

Re tears, like bigbelly I had stitches with ds1 (not in theatre), grazes not needing stitches with ds2 (and boy he shot out with 2 pushes!), and nothing with ds3. His delivery was a bit more controlled, I kind of breathed out his head, which as it turned out was very lucky, as his hand was up on his cheek and I think if I'd pushed I might have torn quite badly. We didn't know this in advance and I can only think it was some sort of natural instinct that stopped me pushing at that point. ??maybe the natal hynotherapy helped me 'listen' to my body at that point.

Overall I'm lucky that Ive healed quickly each time, I definitely recommend arnica taken after birth! For the first timers please don't worry too much about these details, being relaxed in labour is more important, and it's all worth it in the end. Goodness I feel a bit tearful typing that blush getting excited about meeting baby!

AmaDablam Thu 21-Mar-13 19:07:45

Thanks ladies, wise words and good reminder to focus on the end result of becoming a mummy!

Due date is exactly 4 months today grin, doesn't seem 5 minutes since I was saying it was exactly 5 months so I know it's just going to fly by!

dinkystinky Thu 21-Mar-13 19:18:19

Good lord its cold out there - I can't believe its nearly April and still Arctic!

Agree with Thinking - arnica v good for healing. Also took vit e which seemed to help.

Abzs Thu 21-Mar-13 21:04:12

Oh goodness Ama I was trying not to think about it being less than four months until I have a real live Small Person to look after.

Supershiv1 Thu 21-Mar-13 21:25:41

Hi all.
Feeling a bit pooh. Had my re-scan today and babies 'long bones' are measuring short for weeks, about 2 weeks short compared to head. Under 5th percentile (it may sound like I know what I am on about, I don't).
Been referred to Liverpool women's hospital FMU to see a consultant.
I only said to DH last night that this baby us being so awkward at scans that I wouldn't be surprised if it was hiding something.
Didn't have nt measurements in the end as baby was in wrong position twice.
Anyone got any experience of this?

dinkystinky Thu 21-Mar-13 21:33:10

Shiv - ((hugs)). Not had any experience but friends have had scans/referrals for slow growth and all has been fine in the end - their babies have been petite but perfectly formed and hit all milestones right on target. Hope your appt comes through soon and your mind is put at rest.

TotallyEasterEggFlipped Thu 21-Mar-13 21:39:04

Hi Supershiv. Sounds stressful for you.
Not sure if it's what you mean, but DD's femur length was well off the bottom of the centile line when she was scanned. She measured small generally, but her femur length was always way, way below everything else. In the end she had IUGR, but actually was fine and not as small as they were expecting from any of the scans. I don't think her legs look particularly short and DH is a bit short legged if you ask me but she's definitely never going to be tall. smile

dinkystinky Thu 21-Mar-13 21:43:07

Also Shiv there's a reason why there are so many percentiles - babies (and people!) come in all shapes and sizes. Please try not to worry too much.

Supershiv1 Thu 21-Mar-13 21:51:31

Thanks dinky and totally. Will keep posted. Xx

iclaudius Thu 21-Mar-13 22:08:04

dinky and mightbemad gas and air is the devils breath
cannot bear the stuff - with ds5 am ashamed to say i threw the mouthpiece when handed it
normally i am sweet honest guv!!

iclaudius Thu 21-Mar-13 22:16:58

shiv sorry didnt see yours...in my last pg his abdominal measuremnet was always out of kilter with all his other ones - in the end he was induced early as big for dates' but fine

id be relieved to be going to the womens hospital if i were you - hopefully you will get some answers and be able to chill more
theyre so fab there x

Cheeseandbread Thu 21-Mar-13 22:42:00

Loving all the birthing stories! not at all scared honest

Supershiv it sounds like others on here know what they are talking about- fingers crossed all goes well at your next scan.

Shattered today- we had an Arts evening at school where the kids were performing different dances and songs we've been working on aswell as showing off diffeent work in class. A lot of effort to get ready but the kids did well; I was very proud of them. Even got a few nice comments from parents... Which is always nice- especially after a 13+ hour day. I think I've got adrenaline pumping round my body still as I'm normally asleep well before now.

Haven't felt much movement lately but trying not to worry as have an anterior placenta.


photographerlady Fri 22-Mar-13 06:46:59

Morning all. Some reason I woke up with bags of energy today singing to my DH on the way to the train station. I still am a little worried as I am due for a good weekly blubbering. Maybe I need to put on a Pixar movie tonight and get it all out my system before my birthday tomorrow.

shiv sorry I can not offer any advice only ((hugs)). Glad some of the other ladies can aid you a bit more on here.


mysterymeg Fri 22-Mar-13 07:08:33

Morning all! Doing the viability dance this end today grin it feels so good!

Shiv I'm a first timer so no experience but from what everyone's saying these measurements don't necessarily mean anything. Makes sense to me - we're all different shapes and sizes after all!

I have two questions:

1) anyone else feeling "heavy" in your lower abdomen when you pee?

2) all day yesterday I swear little ones head was pushing up and making me uncomfortable. Just how high can they get themselves atm?

It's so nice being able to check things with other people at the same stage smile

24 + 0

dinkystinky Fri 22-Mar-13 09:07:46

Ah, that sounds lovely Cheese. I love going to see DS1 and DS2 doing songs/dances and their art work - unfortunately the school normally does this stuff in the early afternoon so often I cant make it, so its lovely you did an Arts evening for the parents. I hope it was well attended.

Photographer - sounds to me like you're feeling better!

MysteryMeg - do you have a bump now? The uterus presses on the bladder as it gets bigger so it can give the heavy feeling you're talking about. I have no idea how high up they can get - my bump is enormous (I've had 2 people ask if I'm due today - I told them to wait 3 months and see how enormous I will be by then!) but I have no idea where the uterus ends. However as it expands it can squash your other organs making you uncomfortable.

MightBeMad Fri 22-Mar-13 09:47:34

Shiv - all measurements within the centile lines are normal aren't they? Just at different ends of the spectrum. I really hope you get a reassuring scan soon.

Meg - I feel very heavy down below then. I think it's the position of sitting on the loo and releasing the pelvic floor muscles - everything feels so heavy (and painful!!).

Photo - Yey for a good happy day!!

Abzs Fri 22-Mar-13 10:39:03

meg yes and yes. Small quite regularly seems to push its bottom up and out. In my case, as I look down, bottom is top right and head lower left.

TotallyEasterEggFlipped Fri 22-Mar-13 12:04:53

Shiv and MightBe the centile lines are 5th to 95th percentile, so even if you're measurements are off the end, they can be 'normal'.

elliejjtiny Fri 22-Mar-13 13:04:37

shiv hope you get a reassuring scan soon. I've never had a baby measuring small but mine tend to have short legs in comparison to the other measurements.

Midwife appointment today. She went on about how the GTT is really important so I'm being booked in next saturday, dreading it as I'm really awkward to get blood from and still throwing up most days which will no doubt be made worse by fasting. We talked about the birth. Homebirth is a definate no-no and a paediatrician needs to be on standby when baby is born. We're going to discuss the finer details at my 36 week appointment. I'm hoping it will be DS2's paediatrician who is there as I already know her. The midwife was very positive about delayed cord clamping. I asked about avoiding the postnatal ward and she said most likely we would either be discharged from labour ward or baby would be on scbu and I'd be in a private room so hopefully I won't have to go on the postnatal ward.


Abzs Fri 22-Mar-13 13:26:14

Just watched that BBC Healthcheck link. Quite interesting, especially as hip dysplasia runs in my mum's family.

bigbelly4 Fri 22-Mar-13 13:30:01

shiv - ditto what everyone says really, thinking of you and hope you get the reassurance you need soon.

Did anyone watch Home deliveries on tv last night? TBH i'm really torn about a homebirth, a huge part of me would love one (may have an unplanned of if baby is in a rush again) but there is also a huge part of me that cant move past the what if stage.

MW thankfully gets where I'm coming from and has suggested that i book a hospital birth but also have a home delivery pack and details of on call midwives - just in case.

I'm more nervous about my DH not being on hand and my kids having to see and deal with it all (although there are desperate to see it, especially 8 yr old). Maybe should have given this more thought before getting preggers hmm

trustissues75 Fri 22-Mar-13 13:30:22

Afternoon all

shiv - glad you're being referred but don't worry too much, I'm sure it will be ok - but worrying is understandable too so big hugs to you.

Meg - I often feel very heavy in that area too - think it's just bubs pressing on bladder.

I hit viability yesterday - yay! Not much to report really. Still procrastinating over getting maternity clothes.


trustissues75 Fri 22-Mar-13 13:32:05

Ooh, I watched it!!!!!!

It was great - loved it.

Home - birther here.

Supershiv1 Fri 22-Mar-13 14:43:37

Hello. F
Feel more reflective than yesterday, you really are a reassuring lot and it does go a long way, SO THANK YOU.
L/pool womens just called I have an appointment at 10:30 on Thursday. I am egging Ribena on for a leggy/army growth spurt before then. Please do the same and send him a mumsnet growth spurt.
None of the scans I have had have been made easy by the massive fibroid that I have in there.

I had a different appointment with my local hospital today because my BMI at booking was 31. Despite not putting on any actual weight since then I have to have a GTT thing at 28 weeks.
The local hospital was very interested in how my midwife system works (I have gone with the trial NHS dedicated private midwifes on the Wirral). They tried to get me into their FMU to save the journey to Liverpool but didn't have an appt for 3 wks. So I am going back with my Liverpool scan results in 4 wks. I will end up with 3 sets of notes at this rate!
They also did a urine test that showed 3+leuc and 1-eryth so have sent to the lab to check for infection.
Not sure if any of this is connected!

Home births - if all OK I think I do want to go for it, but may chicken out nearer the time. wink

mystery re how high can the head go - at scan yesterday Ribena's head was up near my belly button. I couldn't believe it!

dinkystinky Fri 22-Mar-13 14:49:08

Supershiv - Glad you're feeling better today. I've had to have GTTs at 28 weeks for all 3 of my pregnancies in London - nothing to do with BMI as was within the "normal" parameters at booking in for all 3, it seems to be the norm with the hospitals I'm booked in with. Hoping Ribena has a nice growth spurt for you before Thursday.

Ellie - hopefully you'll be able to get a home away from home birth experience at the hospital with supportive MWs - and get sent home with the little one really quickly. Postnatal wards arent much fun at all but if you do end up in one, just take music/headphones, ear plugs and your own food and pillows and you'll be fine.

iclaudius Fri 22-Mar-13 14:59:28

Trust re maternity clothes DO IT - I'm only 21+5 but have just bought them - dp said 'why aren't you wearing them?' I said I don't feel big enough or confidant enough yet

However I read someone on here saying 'get the bloody things on' you spend the money on them- even if I wore them everyday I'd only get 26?weeks out of three pairs of jeans and a dress - seems madness!

dinkystinky Fri 22-Mar-13 15:25:38

Trust, iclaudius - you dont need to be big to wear maternity wear or confident, just desperate for something that's comfortable grin

trustissues75 Fri 22-Mar-13 16:41:11

I do need to order...I think part of it is that I hate buying clothes online - not that I try them on in the shop anyway (I can't stand trying on clothes) but it's kind of like e-books I suppose - I prefer to get up close, touch look, walk around...before I buy. I suppose that's why I haven't gotten any yet...

dinkystinky Fri 22-Mar-13 16:49:51

See I normally buy stuff online - hate traipsing around shops and don't want to spend precious time at the weekend inflicting shopping on the kids either. Give it a go and you may well be a convert. Top tip is to look for places that do free returns.

AmaDablam Fri 22-Mar-13 17:39:03

Hi everyone

Supershiv as others have said I hope you get lots of reassurance at your appointment on Thursday and glad you are feeling a little better about everything today. I have no knowledge/experience whatsoever about pre-birth growth but I do come into contact with a lot of babies and toddlers through work and can echo what everyone else is saying about people coming in all shapes and sizes, and hearing that a child's height or weight is low on the centile chart can sound more worrying than it is. Again this is with children who have been born, but my experience is that the thing health professionals get most het up about is when head circumference is small compared to everything else, and it sounds like that is giving no cause for concern with your little Ribena.

mystery Yes in answer to both your questions. I get the heavy feeling a lot of the time in fact, but definitely when I pee. In terms of kicks I quite often feel them in places where I feel sure the baby can't have got herself yet, such as in my side or right under my ribs. I do wonder if perhaps it is possible for them to kick a nerve or one end of an organ that makes the other end vibrate, and so the movements feel like they're happening in a different place to where they actually are. No idea if that's possible, but it's my theory anyway!

Trust and iclaudius I have been wearing maternity tights and leggings since about 16 weeks, and graduated onto maternity jeans and dresses about 2 weeks ago, despite apparently having the smallest bump of any nearly-23-week pregnant person anywhere ever (can you tell all the well meaning "you really can't tell" comments are starting to get to me?!). I definitely subscribe to the fact that you may as well get some wear out of them, and they are much more comfy, even for smaller proportioned bellies smile. I'm still in my normal tops though, as most maternity ones would look pretty ridiculous, but the ones I have are all second hand off ebay so I don't really mind if they only get a couple of months wear.


PhieEl06 Fri 22-Mar-13 17:52:57

Hello ladies, I have let myself get behind!
Re tearing I'm very sorry but I skipped all your posts as they began to scare me. grin

MysteryMeg yes to heavy feeling, was wondering what it is so hoping someone has answered this as I scroll down. & yes they have, wow I am a bit dim for not considering this is my heavy baby, I forget how big she's getting now.

Need to catch up on OBEM & that young parents programme on BBC3, is there anything else anyone would recommend?

The thought of birth is beginning to scare me sh**less now, not really helped by everyone I see telling me their horror stories! sad Oh & me being the idiot I am over the last few weeks I haven't bothered doing my pelvic floors, but wow am I regretting that now, I pee slightly every time I laugh, sneeze, cough, etc. the list goes on & on! blush
Spocketta has decided she enjoys using me as an internal punch/kick bag now & I didn't realise how uncomfortable it gets!

Hope all you ladies are well, & not too miserable due to the horrid weather.

phie-the birth is fantastic no matter what in my experience. dd and ds being born are the top 2 moments of my life and (heard dh say same a few days ago). i know it's weird but i am really excited about it and looking forward to it, and i didn't have one of those miracle births previously (the ones you hear about women who don't have any pain with their contractions).
my mother has taken kids for whole weekend. was in shock when she offered but luckily still managed to say yes yes yes. going to an nct sale tomorrow am, hoping to persuade dh to go out for brunch but he'll probably say no.
anyone else absolutely shattered? i am crabby and a bit of a sad sack last few days and hungry like a horse. growth spurt i think. also having strong bh contractions alot now.

cheekbyjowl Fri 22-Mar-13 18:43:48

Gosh.I just caught up on the thread from yesterday!shock !....(crosses legs)

dinkystinky Fri 22-Mar-13 19:05:57

Phie - don't be scared! Read up on some lovely positive birth stories - Ina May Gaskin is great for that. Also look into hypnobirthing or natal hypnotherapy CDs and books too. The stories in them are lovely. At the end of the day, the birth is just the start of the most amazing experience you can imagine.

Princess - enjoy your child free weekend! We have one coming up at the end of April - mils Xmas present to us was a unique places to stay voucher so we are off to Norfolk for a child free night. Have to be back for Sunday afternoon as got secret cinema tickets for my sister for Xmas for that afternoon - but the lie in on the Sunday morning is eagerly anticipated!

BadMissM Fri 22-Mar-13 19:14:20

Sorry have been a bit AWOL, ladies. Had to sort court papers so that DH's ex didn't get him arrested (she's a cow, he hates forms....so I had to do them...).
Plus my internet doesn't seem to like the bad weather....

Shiv Can just be because you are small, sometimes. My trust doesn't even offer NT!

I'm sure I would have been at the botttom of any percentile if they had done them then....

My brother was miniscule, and is fine now...

CheeseandBread Do miss teaching, but not the tiredness...

Photographer Def case of pre-birthday elation!

Dinky People keep saying 'you must be due soon' to me too!

BigBelly4 Would be scared having a homebirth that if I had a waterbirth our rickety rented living room floor would collapse!

Supershiv GTT wise, I have a BMI of 30.... they found gestational diabetes in me weeks ago, but only because I insisted they look....

Iclaudius You might as well wear them...be comfortable, and actually get the wear out of them!

Still trying to tidy the room for the LO...(full of everyone's stuff and nowhere to put it!)

iclaudius Fri 22-Mar-13 21:12:00

blizzards here today so instead of my normal bugaboo - took baby boy out in a forward facing thing with big wheels - it went great on the snow but my advice to all is REAR FACE!!

He has never cried in the pram literally never and howled the full way to my friends - it was awful - i couldn't talk to him and the wind was full on him
Never again!

trustissues75 Fri 22-Mar-13 21:21:09

Phie - yes there are horror stories, but just try to remember that most of the time things go well with no long term complications. Every birth is different and even armed with all the info you can have etc all you can do is your best and thats good enough.

lizincornwall Fri 22-Mar-13 22:35:47

Just a quick post to reply to Shiv as I'm going through similar, and did with DD.
She measured 9% and 6% percentile at different scans, and my bump was usually 2cm under what was expected. I was going for scans every 2 weeks so they could keep an eye on her. I was googling ALL SORTS & getting worried. At my 36 week scan, they suddenly decided all was normal and when she was born, 10 days overdue, she weighed 6lb12oz. Perfectly normal and on the 25th percentile! Perfect, petite, and hit all her milestones smile So, please try not to worry - it's early days and Ribena's percentile can change as the weeks go on. As others have said, I think 5th percentile means smaller 5% of normal - someone has to be down there, and some other babies will be 95th, that's got to be scarier (ouch!) ;0)

Bump#2 is measuring 5th percentile for her head, but am definitely not as worried this time. I have another scan on Tuesday, & am trying to think of it as just another opportunity to say 'hello' smile x

lizincornwall Fri 22-Mar-13 22:36:25

Oh, 21+5 (i always forget)

Thought I'd posted last night but can't find it - think I might have fallen asleep mid-post confused Anyway, have been AWOL after a busy week of Easter play practice and parents evening, so here goes -

Cheese I had a few days of less movement but he's back to his little evening raves now. Not sure when to worry about movement, mw at 20 week scan said not to worry about keeping track until 30 weeks! For some reason parents evening set him off - cant say it put me in the same party mood...

mystery I'm confused about location of movement too - like ama sometimes it seems way around to the side, beyond where I'd imagine the uterus to be. Very confusing. I've also been getting the on and off heavy feeling for a few months now, it used to worry me but gotten used to it now!

ama the 'small bump' comments were getting to me too, finally starting to become more obvious and now I'm getting the flip side, like 'ooh you're bigger after lunch' - thanks, so it's food not baby then? Best comment I've had is '23 weeks? Oh, you're just perfect'. Everyone should say that. Not big/small comments smile

I've also been avoiding thread talk on birth but forced myself to read, really not as scary as I'd thought. I can't remember who suggested the natal hypnotherapy - I bought a cd on eBay, when do you recommend starting to listen to them?

In other news, have now lost my last shred of dignity after going to the doctor to ask about bleeding - it seems I now have the lovely new symptom of piles, after an examination I hope never to have repeated.

On a more positive note, had my jobshare request approved by the governors this week! Yay! My colleague and i are the first ones ever to be accepted at our school as they're very anti-part timers. Helps that we're pregnant at the same time and in adjacent year groups already. So happy, not sure I could have hacked full time teaching alongside raising a baby!

23+4 (3 more days til viability, counting down!)

trustissues75 Sat 23-Mar-13 09:35:16

Oh Guavas....piles...yuck sad not fun.

Morning all!!!

It's white outside here...how about everyone else? Today is going to be an indoors day - apparently we're making Easter Nests with rice crispies and chocolate and making a snowman and also playing Just Dance II on the Wii...

I listened to radio Nugget last night - boy she moves around a lot! So nice to hear her heart beat.

bigbelly4 Sat 23-Mar-13 11:14:13

Badmissm - LOL I could see that happening at our house too!

Re birth stories - sorry if I have traumatised anyone! Was only trying to say its not always a long drawn out labour and whatever happens, its a pretty magical experience.

My children are all loving it now that they can see my belly moving with kicks! Quite often shouting "mummy poke it so it wakes up and moves again"! Poor baby.

Actually managed a whole night in bed with dh last night - usually boot him out when the snoring gets too much. Not got much snow here but by heck its blooming freezing!

24+3 (I think)