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Librarina Sun 20-Jan-13 15:51:32

I thought I'd get our shiny new thread started, welcome.
Previos Thread

I also thought I'd include our little round up of who is having what, when...feel free to update, there's only a few of us so we shouldn't end up drowning in Stats!

kittykats : girl
JoJo: boy
Bringon: girl
Frust: boy
Blending: one of each
Lib: surprise - 1st baby - EDD June 7th
Lor: surprise (for now!)
Ohtheplaces: girl - 1st baby - EDD June 5th
Peardrop: boy

Librarina Sun 20-Jan-13 15:52:10

Oh I'm heartbroken and eternally shamed...there's a typo!

kittykats : girl
JoJo: boy
Bringon: girl- baby #3- EDD June 10th.
Frust: boy
Blending: one of each
Lib: surprise - 1st baby - EDD June 7th
Lor: surprise (for now!)
Ohtheplaces: girl - 1st baby - EDD June 5th
Peardrop: boy

Ahhh I'd added a big msg to the other thread and lost it!!!angry
Pear I was going to say good luck with keeping them off the sweet stuff ha ha it's the bloody grandparents, honestly mine are a nightmare when they were strict with us and insists dd needs puddings etc for calories?! To the point of forcing it on her when she says no!!!
I've given up now as even nursery let them have chocolate etc when they "bake" although I have managed to stick to water, you'd be surprised how many people still try to offer juice though!
Ali, very jeleous of Holliday!!
Bit about me
Kittykats, one dd, due dd2 29th may, 34 from the north and a fingerprint expert
Can't update list as on my phone

peardrop2 Sun 20-Jan-13 19:51:44

Hah hah how mean would it be to tell everyone your child is allergic to chocolate and sweets? wink I can see this is going to be a battle! We can only try!

Oh jeeze, tell me about getting strange looks from other parents! DH and very, very rarely will have sweets at home for the kids to eat. We try to limit what they get outside the home, but it's so hard! They turn into true little devils when they get sugar and high fructose corn syrup so we've been really picky about them going to birthday parties from kids in preschool (except for the kids that they really like) just because of all of the cake and candy they get filled up with. DS1 is also allergic to milk and his reactions are starting to become true allergic reactions instead of just presenting as eczema after a few days so trying to tell someone that our kids don't have milk, yogurt, cheese, or most chocolate including everything that has those things in them just blows people's minds. Of course the kids who have peanut allergies have had a school-wide policy developed for them and everything nut-related is banned, but my kids keep getting fed milk and cheese crackers all day despite the continued insistence that he is allergic! Parenting is so bloody hard sometimes! <Rant over>.

Exactly bring, it's a nightmare plus I know you'd get the whole gosh she's mean/ over the top if you don't let them join in a party's when all the other kids are having them, it's all I can do to monitor fruit shoots and even now I think I may let her have those at party's etc as a "treat" so that we stay away from cola etc, I know there isn't many that will put that out but still.... Will hold off as long as poss but my plan on not giving chocolate before she was 2 failed badly and not only is it a word used regularly ( I mean every day!! She doesn't get it but asks for it) she seems to be able to sniff it out so we can't eat it either!! Believe me you can't say no easily to a child when your having it especially when we've tought her to say pees ( please) and she's so darn cute lol

Lorelei353 Mon 21-Jan-13 12:30:47

kittykats : girl
JoJo: boy
Bringon: girl- baby #3- EDD June 10th.
Frust: boy
Blending: one of each
Lib: surprise - 1st baby - EDD June 7th
Lor: surprise (and staying that way!) - 1st baby - EDD June 9th
Ohtheplaces: girl - 1st baby - EDD June 5th
Peardrop: boy

Everyone have a good weekend? I got to catch up with my friend and their 8 week old boy yesterday - and hear all about her birth and compare pregnancy notes. Great fun. He's a lovely little thing.

Got my scan at 2.30pm tomorrow. Can't wait! Dying to have another look and also get that reassurance that everything's okay. I know I asked before about whether I have to drink all the water before this one, and I remember one person replied and said they'd drank some - did the rest of you drink a lot of water before this scan?

I am so uncomfortable at night though. I bought one of those Theraline pillows which is quite comfy but you can't really move it from side to side at night and even with that if I lie in one position too long I wake up with massive aches in my hips, or sometimes legs. Driving me crazy. My lower back is killing me at night too. Might see if my yoga teachers can suggest anything.

Oh and just to add some more info on me, I'm 36, this is first baby, I'm from Dublin originally but been in London for over 9 years. I still live in Central London and work in advertising production at a newspaper.

peardrop2 Mon 21-Jan-13 12:49:32

Lor good luck with the scan. I've given up drinking before the scan because they always tell me to empty my bladder and then if I'm kept waiting its a very uncomfortable wait etc so I've learnt it's better to go in not bursting and then they can send me away for a sugary drink if the baby is head down (which is always) to try and get it to move.

peardrop2 Mon 21-Jan-13 12:51:57

Forgot to add I am also uncomfortable at night. I understand you're meant to lie on your left but its not very comfy! I've brought the Carla breastfeeding pillow from the Tesco baby event half price. Hoping that might help as I really don't want to spend £40 on a genie pillow that will spend most of its life in the attic!

Jojobump1986 Mon 21-Jan-13 12:58:43

Oooh! Shiny new thread! I wondered why noone had updated the other one for a while!

kittykats : girl - baby #2 - EDD May 29th
JoJo: boy - baby #2 - EDD June 4th
Bringon: girl- baby #3- EDD June 10th.
Frust: boy
Blending: one of each
Lib: surprise - 1st baby - EDD June 7th
Lor: surprise - 1st baby - EDD June 9th
Ohtheplaces: girl - 1st baby - EDD June 5th
Peardrop: boy

Is that really all we are now? How sad! Hopefully we'll get a few more joining us towards the end when they're looking for hand-holding as the due date looms! I did that with DS1, wasn't the same as having gone through it all together though!

A bit more about me: From Wales originally, now in SW England. I'm 26 & planning on being a home-schooling SAHM for the foreseeable future! smile

merrygiant Mon 21-Jan-13 12:58:50

Hi everyone, I've been lurking for a while as I was feeling really torn about something, which I've now decided to share...

I'm a midwife, I work in the community in the South West. I didn't share this to begin with as I wanted to experience this pregnancy the same as all of you - with excitement and discovery. The excellent advice from Bringon meant that all your technical questions were answered so I didn't feel like I was with-holding anything useful. I hope you understand?

Anyway, now that I'm further along (20+3 today) and got a proper bump that I think I actually felt wriggle for the first time on Saturday night, I am beginning to relax a bit more and get properly into it all.

I've also got my 20 week scan tomorrow at 2.30pm. I've been really undecided about finding out the gender, but we've come to the decision that we will wait for a surprise. I know how special this is from experience of caring for couples who didn't find out!

Is anyone thinking of doing NCT classes? I'm thinking it might be a really good idea, mainly for the social side of things. I've also just got hold of the Hypnobirthing book and CD as I've seen some amazing births by women who have used this method.

Lor, the info sheet that came with my 20/40 scan invite told me to drink 1 to 1.5 pints water at least an hour beforehand. I think it just makes the scan easier when the baby isn't tucked down in the pelvis.

To add to your growing list: as revealed above, I'm a midwife, I'm 34, first baby and due 7th June!

If any of you have any questions that you want to ask, particularly related to labour/delivery in the UK, then feel free and ask away!!

Lorelei353 Mon 21-Jan-13 13:09:15

Welcome to the bus Merry - you may regret making that offer! I've had loads of silly questions. Thanks for the info about drinking water before the scan. I made my appt. when I was leaving after my 12 week one so I never got a letter or information sheet.

I think I am going to do the NCT classes. I wasn't sure and was wavering back and forth but my friends yesterday said she found them great so I think I will. I don't know people in the area so it's as much to meet people as anything. Also, since I don't know much about having babies I need all the help I can get!

Good luck with your scan tomorrow!

Jojobump1986 Mon 21-Jan-13 13:34:10

Hi merry! <waves>

I've heard good things about NCT in our area & have several people encouraging me to do it but I have a couple of issues - the cheapest course I've looked at is £60 - we don't have that money just sitting around & although they do offer reductions for low-income families the amount DH earns is near the threshold so I doubt we'd get much of a reduction. I'm also really scared of meeting new people & going to new places. We could find a babysitter so DH could come too but then I'd just hide behind him & not talk to anyone! I do have several friends who are due about the same time so they're already my antenatal group but then they all have other friends outside of our group & I don't so I think it would be good for me to make some other friends! I can't decide if the money thing is a genuine issue or if it's an excuse to avoid doing something scary! blush I might have a chat with DH about it & see if we have a bit of cash to splash!

Librarina Mon 21-Jan-13 13:49:37

Hi and welcome to Merry! We are a very lucky thread to have 2 midwives on board. It must be weird seeing things from the other side of the table as it were. My friend is a Health Visitor and she quite often didn't admit that at anti-natal appointments as she had as many questions as any of us still, it's nice to have another Mum to be on our little bus.

I'll not be doing NCT I don't think, partly because of cost but mostly because I'm a bit anti-social and don't really want to make new friends! I've just signed up with my local Sure Start though so I'll join their new baby group when bubs comes so hopefully will meet some nice local mums there.

Can you believe we're half way through - beans are a-kicking and bumps are growing. I've reorganised the list so that we're in chronological order... control freak much?

kittykats : girl - baby #2 - EDD May 29th
JoJo: boy - baby #2 - EDD June 4th
Lib: surprise - 1st baby - EDD June 7th
Ohtheplaces: girl - 1st baby - EDD June 5th
Merrygiant: 1st baby EDD 7th June
Lor: surprise - 1st baby - EDD June 9th
Bringon: girl- baby #3- EDD June 10th.
Frust: boy
Blending: one of each
Peardrop: boy

merrygiant Mon 21-Jan-13 14:10:41

Thanks everyone, it's a weight off my mind!

Jojo, have you looked at going to a Sure Start Children's Centre? There is usually at least one in each town. They offer free courses/classes for expectant parents and children up to the age of 5. The ones that I deal with do Bumps and Babes groups, Dads-to-be classes and then loads of baby/toddler/playgroups for when baby makes its appearance. Might be worth a look.

I know exactly what you and Lib mean about not wanting to meet new friends or people. But I also know that the newborn/baby days can be terribly isolating, so I really want to try to get involved with a social group in pregnancy that can carry on afterwards. OH is not so keen, usual bloke thing of not being able to see the benefits. But we saw friends yesterday who have a 6 week old baby and met some of their NCT friends and heard from them all about how helpful it was to share the experience.

I did an aquanatal class last Monday, but it was so freezing cold in the pool that I've been put off going back tonight! Instead I ordered a Pregnancy Pilates DVD which arrived today. Will try it out and let you all know...!

Jojobump1986 Mon 21-Jan-13 15:00:23

I went to the NHS antenatal classes last time & was really put off going along to the things at the surestart centre. There's quite a large rough estate near us & it seems that they're the people who are predominantly catered for by the centre. Having come from a quiet Welsh village I find city life challenging at the best of times, let alone when surrounded by loud people who all seem to live in each others pockets! The one or 2 that I did pluck up the courage to speak to seemed perfectly nice & all but they just didn't seem to have much in common with me & I got the impression that you needed to be twice as loud as everyone else if you ever wanted to be heard! From what I've heard of NCT classes, they're kept quite small so I might stand some chance of getting to join in a conversation without being shouted over! I'm really not very outgoing so I think I need something small & structured or I'll get scared & stop going! blush

Welcome merry! It's nice to have a fellow midwife on board! I so completely agree with you about the early newborn days. They can be incredibly isolating, especially for first time mums (been there!). Your whole life as you know it has been turned on its head, your day consists of feeding, changing, sleeping, repeat. DH will have returned to work after a week or two and will come home to you probably not having brushed your teeth, still in your PJs, dishes in the sink and a cranky babe (as they tend to be in evenings) and they says "WTF did you do all day!?" You are going to need other mums who are going through the same things you are who can just lend a shoulder to offload onto so that you know that you're not alone in the newborn world! Even if you're a midwife, having a class just for the social aspects is so nice. I also did baby massage classes in the early days with DS1 and that was a really nice way to break up the day and meet other mums.

Forgot to mention my details: 28 yo mum of 2 boys (girl on the way). Degree in psychology, also 3rd year apprenticing midwife. Originally from the States, but lived in Notts with DH for 2 years before bringing him back as a US resident grin.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 21-Jan-13 15:54:38

How stupid am I? I thought it was quiet. Duh! New Fred!

merrygiant Mon 21-Jan-13 16:06:32

Yes bringon that's exactly how I see myself come next summer, scary! Where will you aim to work when you qualify btw? We have to work in an obstetric unit initially, I did for 2 years. Went out to community over a year ago and I'm loving it. I bet your psychology background comes in handy!

Parenthood is a daunting prospect some days. To all those mums-already on the thread, I will get through it won't I? What was the biggest surprise for you about becoming a mum? Did you all have that instant bond and what about your partners?

merrygiant Mon 21-Jan-13 16:17:47

Jojo I know what you mean about SureStart, its exactly the thing that made me think of NCT instead. I think its normal to want to join a group that you feel most at home with. I guess it depends on where you live, but you may well find there are other groups set up in your area, relating to organisations like La Leche League (breastfeeding) or more informal on facebook. Also, you could try going along to an NCT sale or baby group (look on fb) and get to meet some of the members and ask them face-to-face about the antenatal classes. They definitely do offer substantial discounts if you find you fall in the bracket. Making the first step is always the hardest x

Hi merry grin welcome, I totally understand why you felt unsure to hold back, I don't think us have revealed my profession without having felt like we were a small group I knew well, plus it must be hard when people are always asking for advice without realising this is a new experience for you too!
My biggest surprise was just how much love you feel for your child, I know that doesn't seem that strange but I didn't feel an overwhelming love people describe at birth and the first night on my own and tired I was really weepy and thought I didn't love her enough ( I was always told you feel abit blue 4 days later so that was a shock) but as soon as I got home that was it, bang I was in love!
I found the nhs class great for who I met ( not really content ill be honest) and the sure start groups, we went to one 3 times a week, baby massage and little explorers etc and found everyone lovely, I don't know if it was because my area is quite nice in a village but I'd recommend anyone trying it once and seeing who you met/ how it was, things can get expensive if you wanted to be out and about and I did for her stimulation and mine so I found them brilliant

Lorelei353 Mon 21-Jan-13 17:10:06

have we lost MrsBri somewhere? Did we leave her on an old bus, under a chair?

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 21-Jan-13 18:29:57

Hello again merry <waves> you will certainly "get through it"

lore I think mrs is still about on another Fred, but think she's keeping to herself.

I'm not doing any anti-natal groups. I did NHS ones with dd1 until I got very patronised and humiliated by the person running it when I said I wanted to use tens for the birth, and didnt go back after that

Out surestart centres are a godsend around here. And the least snobby of the baby groups. I can't stand snobby, pretensious, sling making, no tv in the house, my baby is better than yours and could speak french at 2 days old, that I came across in the other groups (can you tell I'm normal common as muck? wink )

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 21-Jan-13 19:27:44

Somebody shoot me please.
just had a call telling me there was a space for dd2 at swimming and I put it off, she's been on the waiting list for 7 months, and I put it off!?!
I'm mad aren't i? Is it the pregnancy hormones?

My biggest surprise was how slept deprived I could get and still somehow function. I think by week 4 or 5 I was getting frustrated with only getting 2 hrs of sleep at a time! Also just how MUCH having a baby changes everything. It's amazing how much you just don't know that you don't know (if that makes sense) about having a newborn and being brand-new parents. There's no way someone could explain or try to prepare you for what's ahead- it's just incomprehensible until you actually have a baby.

Merry since I'm studying to be a CPM (certified professional midwife) in the states, I will not have hospital privileges. CPMs are only certified for homebirth or birth center births. I still have about a year left of apprenticing (currently taking a break to be pregnant and a new mum for a while) to accomplish all of my skills and numbers, but after that I'm planning on opening my own private practice with a small amount of clients. I'm looking to start being on-call and working with a midwife again around this time next year! I love that you work in the community. I loved my community midwife when I was pregnant with DS1 in Notts. Are you doing homebirths or mostly prenatal care?

Jojobump1986 Tue 22-Jan-13 11:10:47

I've signed up for an NCT refresher course! Eek! DH decided that we could afford it because we didn't overspend on Christmas presents this year. Mostly because he didn't get me anything! I ran out of excuses not to do it so took the plunge & signed up before I chickened out! It starts in April so I have plenty of time to psych myself up for it! Eek! Nervous now!

Lorelei353 Tue 22-Jan-13 11:23:29

Good for you Jojo. It's good to be brave sometimes. I can be prone to shyness and just need a bit of a nudge sometimes.

We're signing up for NCT classes too.

Librarina Tue 22-Jan-13 12:46:03

Will you all come on here and tell me what you learn at NCT so I can carry on being a coward and not have to talk to people?

I've had a horrible day today - was already a bit achy from falling in the snow on Sunday but could feel wriggling in the bump so was sure that everything was fine in there, it was just my arse and my arm that got jolted. Then, driving to work this morning, some idiot pulls out in front of me, far too late, but then didn't accelerate away so we were skidding down the road together in some kind of strange ballroom dance and I slammed on my brakes and miraculously remembered where the horn was.
They sped away and I pulled into the side of the road and sobbed for a bit. I then pulled myself together to carry on the drive to work only to find that I had braked so sharply the car had stalled and wouldn't start. The worst bit was that there were other cars who were behind us as this all happened and they saw me crying and stalled but didn't even look in the window to check I was ok. Bump is, again, fine but I'm a bit stressed and not looking forward to the drive home.
Sorry for the winge, just wanted to get it off my chest!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 22-Jan-13 13:23:28

Have a hug libra and ignore the horrible uncaring idiots.
Are you driving on snow or ice? Either way, take it slowly o. The way home, avoid any sudden movements (braking or accelerating) and let the car do the work.

I had midwife today, heard heartbeat too.

Lorelei353 Tue 22-Jan-13 13:49:57

On my way to scan. Think happy, healthy, wriggly thoughts everyone.

Just popping in to say thank you to jojo. Am still laughing at the Thundercats and 'Keep calm eat doughnuts' stickers, they've really cheered me up!

I am definitely out but no af yet...hoping she's not going to mess me about for long as I have summoned up a big pma for getting it right next cycle.

Sending love to all. Take care in the snow x

Oh Lib sending happy (snow-free) thoughts your way today! It's so scary when those things happen, just take care of yourself today and keep talking to your baby.

Have fun Lor!

Jojobump1986 Tue 22-Jan-13 14:32:24

You're welcome thunder! I got so distracted by the stickers that I nearly forgot to put the test in! grin

Take care out there Lib! I hate it when people do stupid things like that. I'd be shaking for the rest of the day! Hopefully your drive home will be a lot less eventful!

Are you done yet Lor? <Impatient>

Jojobump1986 Tue 22-Jan-13 14:35:27

Oh forgot to say, Lib noone's going to tell you anything. It's like a secret society that makes you swear never to tell anyone about what you hear during the meetings. Stop being such a wimp & sign up! Is the tough love working? If I have to meet new people I think it's only fair that you should too! wink

merrygiant Tue 22-Jan-13 15:46:22

Just back from the scan and all is well! A stretching little wriggler is in there, which explains why I feel such clear kicks so early. We had agreed we would keep sex a surprise but at the last minute I asked her to write it down and put it in an envelope! Eeek! So we now have the option of finding out (we definitely will, I'm too impatient and curious not to), but we can do it at our leisure, maybe after a nice hearty casserole I'm gonna cook for dinner tonight or maybe the weekend after next when my DM and DSD are coming to stay?!

Good luck Lor, thinking of you too...

Jojobump1986 Tue 22-Jan-13 15:51:55

Yay! Congrats merry! You've got more patience than me - I'd have ripped the envelope open while DH was driving so he couldn't stop me! grin blush Have you added yourself to the stats list yet? Make sure you update it with the gender when you know!

merrygiant Tue 22-Jan-13 16:17:07

I had to get something from the pharmacy after our scan and he waited in the van. I jokingly asked when I got back in if he had sneaked a peek. He hadn't, and I know he wouldn't but I'm finding it difficult not to with the envelope just sitting there and he's gone out!

I will be patient and wait til he gets home.

Well done to you Jojo for booking your course!

And sorry to hear about your incident Lib. We've got more snow here today. Snow fun anymore hmm

peardrop2 Tue 22-Jan-13 16:29:24

I agree that the snow and ice can go away now hmm Making decisions on when is it safe to travel to work is not fun, especially as I'm known to make the wrong one! Lib that sounds awful...stay safe inside from now on!

Yay for your happy wriggler scan merry! I am envious as my little man hides away (mostly doing hand stands) at my scans preventing decent photos. Did you get some nice photos? Lor I hope your scan went well too?

I am with JoJo on the NCT thing. I feel quite lonely in pregnancy sometimes so I knew I had to force myself to sign up and I have now paid the first installment of £200.00. FX it is worth it. I will be on maternity leave in April when it starts so it it will be a good distraction while wishing away the last few weeks.

I am waiting for Yodel to turn up with my Carla - Heat Regulating Mum & Baby Support Pillow...hah just as I write this it has arrived yay!

Yeay merry, excellent scan news!
Come on lor update us!!
Sorry to hear about your scare lib, that's horrible, it's so nerve wracking when you get in a spin on ice! I booked Monday off as Friday had been so bad and I also had a fall on sat carrying dd to car, I fell on my bum then she feel abit on me but more in my arms as I was holding her aloft, unfortunatly I started bleeding after so had to make a trip to hospital, this will be my 3rd bleeding incident though and the first time they looked and there is an errosion on neck of womb outside so they were quite confident it's that that's been causing it and if its knocked or we have sex etc, atleast there seems a reason now, this Ivey weather is a nightmare! Hugs for you and nice and slow home

Lorelei353 Tue 22-Jan-13 18:29:20

Hi. Sorry for no update. Scan took ages as babs would not play ball. I was sent away twice to eat sugary things and walk arond for 15 mins in the hope that babs would move! Finally worked and we managed to get everything measured. Anyway all is well and as it should be and no, we didn't find out if it was a boy or girl. Very cute baby although apparently sleepy. Kept yawning!

Merry, glad yours was ok too!

Lib, sounds like a stressful morning. Hope you get home safely.

peardrop2 Tue 22-Jan-13 21:25:51

Lor, glad to hear all went well! Sounds like a similar experience to me with the trips to drink and eat in order to get them to budge.

I've brought a caboo DX carrier that arrived today. Very pleased that it fits my 6ft5 husband unlike the BabyBjorn classic. Has anyone else brought a carrier/sling yet?

Scary that you've had another bleeding incident, kitty! Glad they were able to determine the cause, hopefully no more bleeds!

Merry and Lor yay, yay! So glad to hear the scans went well!

Yes, pear We have a Moby and an Ergo (which I need to get the newborn insert for). Not sure if I'll use the Moby this summer because it tends to get so hot, so babe may be in the Ergo quite a bit, or in a one-shoulder sling if I get around to picking one out.

I'll take your snow over the weather we've had lately! Yesterday the "high" temp for the day was -6 degrees F with a windchill of -45 F!! Today we made it over 0 and got all the way up to 2 degrees, woo. I'm sure Thursday will feel positively balmy when we reach 15 degrees. Good lord it's miserable outside. I walked around the Mall of America to just stretch my legs (all 3 levels which I think equals out to be around 1.5 miles) and oh man, they feel worked out! I'll have to do it again tomorrow smile

Is anyone using cloth nappies? I dug out the ones I had from Ds2 and I forgot how many I have stashed away.... but realised there's no way in hell they will fit a newborn. Looks like I'll have to dig out the sewing machine and try my hand at newborn-sized ones.

peardrop2 Tue 22-Jan-13 22:31:17

bring I've read that the Ergo is a popular choice. I'm thinking about buying this for hot summer days as it is not too pricey www.thebabasling.com/charcoal-lite.html

merrygiant Tue 22-Jan-13 22:35:32

Bring I've been looking into cloth nappies but thought I'd do disposables to begin with for abut 6 weeks. What type do you have and how was using them? Any tips?

I do antenatal clinic, work on a midwife-led birthing centre ward and we do some homebirths. We visit women at home too, but I think its been tricky over the last few days with the weather. Did you have your DS1 over here? I love the idea of having your own practice, but if its just you, you'd be on call ALL the time, no?!

My partner went to Bath this evening and has got stuck there, he had to abandon his van and walk to a friend's house to stay! But you certainly win on windchill - blimey that is seriously cold!

Jojobump1986 Tue 22-Jan-13 23:25:13

I've got a Moby wrap but it's really easy to use a pashmina as a sling! Not sure what the official knot-name is but it's like tying a double-knot but you don't pull one end all the way through. It takes a little while to get the hang of adjusting it but once you know how it's a lot less faff & a lot cooler than a wrap. My friend taught me how when she was back from Africa for a visit. I've not used it for a newborn yet though but it seems to be the same principle, they're just lying down rather than sitting on your hip!

We were going to try cloth nappies with DS1 after a few weeks but we were so exhausted from all the washing we were doing anyway that we couldn't face the thought of any more!

Is anyone else feeling like a hairless orangutan yet? I was sitting in the bath this evening & realised that my boobs were resting on my belly. I really enjoyed pregnancy last time... This time I'm dreaming of early but not premature labour! I was 8 days over last time & didn't mind it a bit... If this continues I'll be fed up if I get to 40 weeks! sad

LOL that is seriously the best description, EVER, Jo! Yes, starting to feel very orangutan-like these days. That's a good idea about the wrap/sling. I suppose scarves have been used for eons, no need to go get a fancy new one! I'll have to youtube and see what I can find on wrapping.

Merry Yes, DS1 was born in MLU in the birthing tub. Wonderful experience! If I did have a practice, I would be on-call constantly... or at least until I set a break and don't take clients for a month. There is also the option of working with one or more other midwives, but there still is the big responsibility of being on-call most of the time.

I think we are going to do disposable until the meconium stage is over and then go on to cloth. We use pocket nappies or prefolds with a "thirsties" cover. Also debating on just using a nappy service for the first few weeks until we get the hang out of it. Although....MIL is coming to stay for a month so maybe I could give her a tutorial on nappy washing and that would be fabulous!

Lorelei353 Wed 23-Jan-13 11:11:45

One of my yoga teachers was showing us how to bind your hips with your baby wrap in the days after pregnancy - to try and keep your pelvis stable and allow everything to settle back into place. Looked comfy. She said she wore it for about two weeks every day after her last child (although for less time after her previous one).

I am not washing nappies. Disposable all the way for me.

peardrop2 Wed 23-Jan-13 14:45:57

Oh gosh I really couldn't think of anything worse then washing dirty nappies shock Hats off to those of you who're more willing! I can confirm that my Carla pillow was totally useless to aid sleep last night. It ended up on the floor within an hour. Still a good buy though if it helps with breastfeeding. I'm sure I will end up having to buy a dream genie soon!

Lorelei353 Wed 23-Jan-13 16:03:48

pear I bought the Theraline one and for the first two nights half used it and sometimes kicked it out. It took me a little while to figure out how it works best for me. Now, I know how to use it best for me!

Librarina Wed 23-Jan-13 16:39:46

Lots to catch up on - I'm over my little driving drama. I commute 60 miles a day so come across my fair share of idiots on the roads, I think it's cos I feel a lot more precious at the moment I was so shook up.

I was half heartedly thinking about real nappies as they seem like the 'right' thing to do, but my Mum talked me out of them on holiday as they seem like a lot more hard work and I'm more lazy than I am eco-conscious. No-one I know in RL used them so I don't have anyone to ask really.

Can I just say, my bump looks lovely today. I've got nice maternity trousers on and a new pink top and the bump is all round and tidy. I love it! It's the first time in years I've not had to hold my tummy in and I'm revelling in it.

I also wanted to ask your DH/DPs reactions to feeling the baby kick. I can feel it on the inside and pretty often on the outside too, but when I asked DH (who is usually very good and supportive and tells me how lovely I look when pregnant), but when I asked him if he wanted to feel the kick, he said he wouldn't cos he was a bit scared. He touches the bump, talks to it and cuddles it at night, he just didn't want to specifically feel for kicks. Is this usual? How should I reassure him? My usual tactic is just to wait a bit and he usually comes around, but I'm so excited about this I want to share it with him - I don't feel I can let anyone else feel a kick until he does.

Lorelei353 Wed 23-Jan-13 17:17:06

I don't know about usual Lib as it's all new to me too but one thing I'm swiftly learning about pregnancy and people's reactions to it, is that there's no such thing as 'usual'.

My DH is keen to feel kicks on one hand but he thinks it's weird and finds things like the scan really hard to look at. He's weirdly squeamish, so it just unsettles him. He loves that we're having a baby, he loves me, he's been brilliantly supportive but it's just a bit weird for him - especially since, unlike us, he's a bit removed from the process. To be honest, I'm finding the kicking a bit weird sometimes!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 23-Jan-13 17:29:10

Anybody want my free (from cow and gate) money-off vouchers? I'm not going to use them

I can list them later if anybody is interested and I'll stick them in the post.

Jojobump1986 Wed 23-Jan-13 20:04:52

At what point should I get concerned about Braxton Hicks? I didn't get painful contractions when in labour so that's a useless discrimination for me! I seem to be getting them more & more frequently & they make me breathless & a bit woozy. It's rarely my whole uterus that contracts though, usually just the bottom half & they don't last very long. Is this 'normal'?! I thought you didn't get them until later on & then only sporadically, not several times a day! confused

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 23-Jan-13 20:09:49

My midwife said I shouldn't qbe getting them until after 26 weeks jojo have you been very active recently? And is it like period pains?

Jojobump1986 Wed 23-Jan-13 20:36:03

No, not like period pains, just a squeezing feeling. I'm never very active these days! I mostly seem to get them in the early afternoon when I've just put DS down for a sleep - getting him up the stairs is about as active as I her! blush It's making me scared to go for walks etc, just incase something happens while we're out & I can't get home. I've taken to driving everywhere so I'd have a faster escape route!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 23-Jan-13 20:43:25

Have you mentioned it to your midwife jojo?

Jojobump1986 Wed 23-Jan-13 21:00:29

No, I've not seen her recently & not due to for 7 weeks yet! I'm beginning to think I should call soonish, just for a check-up. I'm pretty sure it's nothing to be concerned about. I don't think I've ever had any medical appointments where I've been told there's a problem when I thought there wasn't. I'm pretty good at knowing when there's something wrong with my body! Can't be too careful when pregnant though!

I find it really wrong that there's so long between apps for midwives when your on your second or more child, I don't understand why they think its so much less likely to go wrong or that you may not need monitoring the same, to go from 16wks to 28 without seeing anyone is a long time! Know what you mean about sending when things are wrong though Jojo hopefully it'll settle down for you!
Anyone watching obem? I love it and there was a great cow and gate advert in the break!

Jojobump1986 Wed 23-Jan-13 21:39:15

I can't watch that since having DS... Makes me cringe & cross my legs! Then I start feeling like I should be pushing too, to help them! blush

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 23-Jan-13 21:59:42

Has nobody else had a 21wk midwife appointment? I thought that was normal.
The only one I don't appear to have is the 31wk one.

peardrop2 Wed 23-Jan-13 22:19:20

JoJo does it feel like your tummy is tightening and goes really hard and then after say 5 minutes goes soft again? If it does feel like that then I've been having that a lot recently. I read in my what to expect book that it is a sign of the uterus growing. I can give you the exact wording if you like.

Frus my last appt was at 16 weeks and that was with a health visitor because the midwife was at the hospital. She couldn't answer any of my questions and I now have to wait until 25 weeks until my next appt. I haven't even met my midwife because I changed surgery due to move at 14 weeks. So far my new surgery has not impressed me and if I don't see the midwife at 25 week appt I might loose the plot (apparently they can't guarantee she won't be in hospital on Fridays, the day she is in surgery). I think it's terrible how little appts I get in my area. As a first time mum I have tons of questions and there is no one to ask! It appears that you have to suffer from pre natal depression to get any attention around here! Good old Nhs again!

Jojobump1986 Wed 23-Jan-13 22:50:42

Yes, that's exactly what it feels like, but it doesn't take 5 mins to go - more like 20 secs. It comes & goes several times over about half an hour, although has been going on most of this evening! I think we're about due a growth spurt so that's probably all it is. So far my bump isn't huge - I'm pretty sure everything's going up before it goes out! Would explain why I'm getting aching at the bottom of my ribs already!

Jojobump1986 Wed 23-Jan-13 22:54:14

It's standard round here to have appts at 16 & 28 weeks with subsequent babies. I wasn't bothered before but now I'm feeling a little more clingy!

peardrop2 Wed 23-Jan-13 23:06:04

Jojo it sounds like you're experiencing the same as me then. And your right it's more like 1minute then 5minutes...I'm finding every minute drags wink The book says its totally normal for our stage in pregnancy so I wouldn't worry too much (even though it sent me into panic last week).

peardrop2 Wed 23-Jan-13 23:07:23

I'm not big either...yet. In fact if anyone else tells me how small I look for 23 weeks I might loose the plot smile

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 23-Jan-13 23:09:17

That's terrible pear, in my town (well its more a collection of "settlements" closely grouped together) we have interlinked surgeries, so 3 mornings to see midwives, and a team of about 6 of them I've not seen the same one twice yet (Who work out of local town that also have teams covering areas). I think just one midwife who isn't always available for appointments is shocking. although I'm not sure our coverage is normal, I've just presumed that it was, or because we're class as a "deprived" area hmm

baby weighing/health visitor clinics are interlinked with the local town too, so can pick and choose the convenient times, and don't have to stick with the same one all the time.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 23-Jan-13 23:13:42

You're lucky pear I was asked at work today if I was sure it wasn't twins hmm not sure how they could miss twins at 2 scans. confused,
I do look huge, but was a wierd question nevertheless.

peardrop2 Wed 23-Jan-13 23:36:59

Frus- I know, DH keeps telling me I'm lucky too but I kind of wanted a big first time belly. Oh well, it will come. Your surgery sounds great. Good to know someone is getting good service in the country! I am just thankful I don't need a lot of help at this stage. I have a ton of books for all my questions...not the same but will have to do!

Frus I'm getting the "aren you sure it's not twins??" question as well. I do honestly look like I'm closer to 25 weeks than only 20.... can't help it! Just the way it is when you're on #3 I guess!

Totally sounds like braxton-hicks contractions, Jo. Some first time mums feel them (I did) and a lot more 2nd and subsequent mums will feel them more often. If you're feeling a lot of them, try having a small snack, a glass of water and put your feet up. They tend to happen more if you're dehydrated or have low blood sugars, if you're really active (which sounds like it's the case when bringing a little one up the stairs), or after doing the deed. All totally normal.

Jojobump1986 Thu 24-Jan-13 07:46:58

Thanks bring, I knew you'd be along to tell me to stop being silly reassure me! wink I was 95% sure it was nothing to worry about but I was surprised that it had a greater effect on me than just the tightness. Hormones are odd. I shall drink more & take things slower for a few days & see if that helps! smile

Pear, I know what you mean about wanting a big bump. I know several people who look like they've shoved a beach ball up their top when pregnant. I mostly just look fat. No nice round bump for me! sad I was hoping that this one would be different but sadly it doesn't seem to be going that way. I wonder if spending a considerable part of my day on all fours would allow gravity to drag the baby down & give me a nice sticky-out bump... wink

What would you be doing on all fours Jojo wink lol

Librarina Thu 24-Jan-13 09:56:15

Ahem! coughs

Thanks for the reassurance Lorelei

This is an interesting chat about Braxton Hicks - I didn't know you could get them this early, I thought they just came right at the end and made people think they were in labour when they weren't yet. This is what happens when the majority of your pregnancy knowledge comes from Eastenders and Friends.

I've been assuming all the weird flutters and wriggles and spasms I can feel are the baby swimming around inside me, but maybe it's more uterine tensions than baby movements... not entirely sure how you tell.

Anyway, it feels weirdly nice so am not complaining.

Happy nearly Friday x

No they'll be the baby lib, think bh are more when your bump goes hard she guess as never had them but not like a fluttery tapping that baby does

merrygiant Thu 24-Jan-13 12:12:58

Jojo what you're describing could be Braxton Hicks or it could be some uterine twinges in reaction to your baby moving. Or it could also be some ligamentous pain which is a stretchy pain as you change position or roll over in bed (I had it this morning).

You are more likely to get early BH in a 2nd/3rd etc pregnancy but this is particularly early!

Lor you're feeling baby move and as it squirms around inside and sometimes performs full somersaults, this can be quite uncomfy. Its so mad to think what's going on inside, eh? I'm loving this bit, at last I don't just feel fat, but properly preggers, with a wriggly little kicker inside to keep me company!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Thu 24-Jan-13 15:05:32

Hmm maybe the nap wasn't such a good idea, I feel worse now.

Lorelei353 Thu 24-Jan-13 15:49:20

Merry yeah, I'm definitely feeling wriggles now. Proper little bumps and pokes on the inside. Feels quite weird and takes a bit of getting used to but it's lovely.

OhThePlacesYoullGo Thu 24-Jan-13 22:01:53

So.... has anyone else been reading this threat? Are any of you planning to be SAHMs? At the moment I can't imagine it at all, I think I would be bored out of my mind. (Obviously not talking newborn stage here, but longterm). Not that it would be an option for now as am 'the breadwinner' grin.

Have you guys thought about how you will be splitting childcare with partner at first? BF and I have had a chat about all of this and have decided that he will do night-feeds, while I'll do the majority of daytime care whilst on maternity leave. Hopefully that will work out well and also means that we both get in a nice amount of bonding time with little one.

OhThePlacesYoullGo Thu 24-Jan-13 22:03:10

Thread not threat... blush

peardrop2 Thu 24-Jan-13 22:19:57

Ohtheplaces - I haven't got any set plans. I've decided as a first time mum I would just see what doors open and see how I feel at the time. I always imagined being a working mum but I recognise that things will change once my little man is here. My friends with newborns say they're so busy with play dates and being devoted to their child now that they can't imagine working now. There are so many stages and experiences to go through I'm glad we're given time to decide re working status rather then making a decision now before baby arrives.

On another note...does a newborn use a growbag? Would a 1.1 Tog be suitable for summer or do you just use a blanket?

Jojobump1986 Thu 24-Jan-13 22:24:54

I'm a SAHM (/Usborne book seller!) & for the most part I really enjoy it. I've tried the 9-5 thing & just found it exhausting. I eventually discovered that what I really love is childcare! I've considered careers in all sorts of things: teaching, biomedical science, psychology... But what I enjoyed the most was my early years education course. I find that I can get fascinated by lots of things & could quite happily pursue a career in any of them but all I've ever really been able to picture when I think about 'the future' is having children & romping around in the woods with them & nagging them to tidy their rooms...! There are times when I do get jealous of women who have successful careers, partly for the fulfillment but mostly for the social aspects & being a bit more comfortable financially, but I'd never really give up the time I get to spend with DS.

Jojobump1986 Thu 24-Jan-13 22:34:37

I used swaddle wraps when DS was tiny because he tended to startle quite a lot & would wake himself up. They held his arms down so he couldn't shake himself awake. As far as tog ratings go, if you decide it's not quite warm enough you can always pop a vest on or leave it off if he's a bit hot. I'm not sure what tog the sleeping bag DS is currently using is but it's designed for summer. He just has a thick vest & a baby-gro on & a blanket that we put over him when we go to bed. It doesn't stay on if we put it over him straight away! There comes a time at about 4-6 months when they suddenly start wriggling in their sleep & then there's no hope of keeping blankets on! DS usually ends up curled up in one corner of his cot. Looks v uncomfortable to me!

Absolute modern-day must-have for when you start putting them in 'proper' clothes: Sock ons! Best invention ever! grin

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Thu 24-Jan-13 22:55:39

Eek jojo those socks on fill me with scary thoughts (My DH has orthoses that look very similar.)

I'm considering swaddle wraps, I found the groebags were quite big around the neck to start with and i used to worry that wriggly dd would slither into it.

I work part-time in a school, I think that if I either worked somewhere else (not term-time) or full-time I would consider being a sahm. DH was a sahd for dds and I worked full-time.

peardrop2 Thu 24-Jan-13 23:10:54

Thanks for your sleeping tips ladies! I brought a white swaddle in the JoJomama sale in January so maybe that will help aid sleep. The growbag does look very big to put them in at first! I will check those socks out JoJo thanks!

OhThePlacesYoullGo Thu 24-Jan-13 23:12:53

The socks look fabulous!

peardrop2 Thu 24-Jan-13 23:17:52

Oh I brought one of this dribble bibs in white and navy already! It's a good make.

Librarina Fri 25-Jan-13 10:07:36

My friends swear by sock ons... they are very cute in the bright colours, I think I'll get some for when baby wears socks (presumably they just wear babygros with feet in at first???)
I also really want These but can't justify 30 quid for some squares of fabric

Re: the Staying at Home = Living the Dream thread, I posted on that because while I think it's possible to have a lot, it's not possible to have it all, and for me 'the dream' is finding a balance between staying in a career I love, which I have worked hard for and spending time with the baby which I also love and worked hard for! I think for me the balance will be found with part-time working for a few years, say 3 days a week for me, and DH could compress his hours into 4 days. It would mean an end to the sort of treats we currently enjoy (nice coffee in the cafe after running club, weekends away up and down the country, nice clothes if we want them... that sort of thing) but instead we'd have different treats (baby giggles, days out in the park with a picnic etx) but should keep my hand in at work and my name known professionally.

In other news. I am wearing a maternity dress for the first time. It makes my bump look HUUUUGE, not helped by the fact that I've tied a ribbon under my boobs (seemed like a good idea when I got dressed this morning). Have paired dress with bright tights and furry boots so I look scarily like a knocked up three-year-old.

Lorelei353 Fri 25-Jan-13 10:23:08

I don't think I'd enjoy being a SAHM, but then I don't have any idea how I'll feel after wriggler comes along. It's not an option for us at the moment anyway. Living in central London we'll need two salaries. Also my DH runs his own business which, while being very successful at the moment and for the last 5 years, is obviously more precarious than my more secure full-time job. I have been toying with ideas of a career change in the last two years though as I work in newspapers which are slowly dying. I'm wondering if new ideas or opportunities might occur to me while I'm on maternity leave that I can pursue in the next few years and might offer more flexibility long-term - especially if I have another one.

Interesting topic though places!

I'd love to be a sahm!! I never though I'd feel that why before dd but I loved be off with her and going back has been really hard, I literally count hours although it might be partly as I still work 34 he's a week condensed into 4 days, 2 1/2 days a week would be lovely and the perfect blend I think!
Also agree with sock ons, they are great you wouldn't believe how many you loose, generally they do wear baby grows for the first 3 months but after that my dd had alot of dresses etc 3-6months plus it could be quite hot for our new borns wishful thinking! so you may have them in little short grows with socks earlier?!
I never swaddled but know friends whose babies liked it but we had a very small grow bag and used a breathable blanket. I never bothered with a sling either always tended to take the pram out, we borrowed a carrier off dsis but it was only used to pop to local shop once a week at most

peardrop2 Fri 25-Jan-13 16:56:56

Lib - do you think those bright coloured cloths would run in the wash or stain your clothes? I've been wondering about that. I'm sure we can find them somewhere (probably in a supermarket) for half price. M&S do them in shades of blue or pink for £14...not quite the same though as bright colours!

Jojobump1986 Fri 25-Jan-13 17:37:34

Cheap white muslins & fabric dye will do the job nicely. Make sure you do wash them once or twice post-dying before you use them on the baby though! It's a great way to make sure your muslins never get confused with anyone elses at baby groups. If you're feeling really creative you can tie-dye them for a really unique effect!

I'm currently the SAHM with DH working full-time. I got a little taste of being a working mum last year when I apprenticing and I really liked it! It was a lot more juggling of schedules and I realized that even though I was "working" I still had to shoulder the responsibilities of what a SAHM would do because DH found it really difficult to pick up those jobs for me.... but I felt a lot more like an adult and being able to go out in the world! Now that I'm taking a break from school and apprenticing, I'm back to SAHM. I like it. I do love being able to be with the kids (that was the part of "working" that was the most difficult. There was so much guilt with not seeing them as much).

THESE are the big deal around here these days (the States have finally discovered muslins)

peardrop2 Fri 25-Jan-13 20:01:19

Sadly I don't get on with home dying. The colours always look dull and nothing like on the packet. Good idea though if you happen to have different dyes at home!

I picked up bounty pack no2 today. Much more exciting free stuff in this one!

Librarina Sat 26-Jan-13 08:23:06

Ooh Trumpets I LIKE those. In fact I like most of the things on that site.

I popped into John Lewis last night to buy the baby something pretty as I was feeling bad about everything being second hand, but they had nothing nice, it was all really dull. So I had a makeover and bought myself some blusher instead!

OhThePlacesYoullGo Sat 26-Jan-13 12:57:06

Trumpets I love them!.

Have you guys started doing the nursery yet? We painted her room (green-ish) when we were doing the whole flat before moving in and I've started on her quilt (which is blues, greens and purples), but other than that we don't really have anything yet. Have decided to get this, this and this one and finally this for her walls as think it's super cute.

On another note went back to work yesterday for mid placement review (a bit late thanks to everything that happened), but got really positive feedback, which was brilliant. :D

Awesome news on the review, Places!

We have a whole lotta painting to get done around the house (like the whole house) before the babe comes as well. I hate painting, but I hate spending money on something I could do myself....I just have to go out and buy the paint, hope for a somewhat warmer day to pop the windows open and just get the damn thing done. Babe is just staying in our room for the first 6 months or so and then I'll think about her room.

I've found that about John Lewis too, Lib. I can never find something there that I like and it always seems like a very small selection! Have you tried Debenhams yet? This little lady is getting mostly second-hand from a store called Once Upon A Child. I get all of the kid's clothes there and you would never know that they are hand-me-downs, but everything is at least 1/2 the original price. I think I like shopping there for the kids more than I like shopping for anything for myself!

*meant to say "pay someone to do something I could do myself"

OhThePlacesYoullGo Sat 26-Jan-13 18:26:04

Trumpets I too hate painting, but painting baby's room was actually quite fun and BF and brothers did most of the flat painting anyways. Baby isn't going to sleep with us because of waking up during the nights. It's one of the many annoying things we are having to do differently. I know having to feed/change baby on floor and only bathing her with others around doesn't sound like a big deal, but it's not exactly how I kind of imagined things would be. Let's just say the last few months have been a bit emotionally charged for me (both good and bad). Poor BF; thankfully he is possibly the most stable, easy going and patient person ever.

peardrop2 Sun 27-Jan-13 23:10:38

Look I found some cheaper coloured muslins smile pastel colours not bright but coloured! m.toysrus.co.uk/Babies-R-Us/Clothing/Bibs-and-Cloths/Coloured-Muslin-Squares-8-Pack/0032213?searchPosition=2

Those look nice, pear

peardrop2 Mon 28-Jan-13 15:44:35

I thought so bring grin I must say though I'm tempted to take JoJo's idea and buy cheap white ones and dye. Dye salt is 48p and one pack of dye is £4.99 so it could end up being just as expensive if you wanted more then one colour. I'm sure I'll end up buying some!

Is anyone else working on coming up with names? DH and I are having a REALLY hard time finding ones that we like, and then agreeing on ones that we like. I know we've got plenty of time...but it feels like we're never we're going to get this sorted! Urgh!

Lorelei353 Mon 28-Jan-13 16:31:24

Lots of decoration work going on here!

Our spare room is cream and is going to stay that way. We have done a massive clear-out and fortunately last week a storage cage came up for rent in our building (I live in a third floor flat) so we could move things like suitcases, boxes of old-things-we-can't-part-with-but-don't-use, and Christmas decorations down there to make more room.

In terms of names, we had them picked - boy and girl - but DH is rethinking the boy one now and I'm beginning to rethink the girl one. We'll probably stick with them though as we never agree on anything so we're unlikely to find more we both like as much!

Maybe you could ask for them pear as a gift or wait and see what you get? I got Muslims as a gift off someone and lots of vouchers for mother care etc, they are the kind of thing you don't need ASAP you could wait and see then treat when bubs gets here if you don't get any, you'd be amazed at how many gifts you get for your first child, even people my mum works with bought us things shock
I think names are a nitemare, we narrowed it down to 4 for dd but the one we'd favoured didn't suit her and we went with the one I least expected, I think it's nice to wait and see what they look like anyway but non of the names I had last year are ones I'd use now, I think if its second dc it has to kind of go aswell iyswim you can't have a fancy name then pick a plain one for your second! Well I don't think I can anyhow!!

Jojobump1986 Mon 28-Jan-13 19:29:18

I'm really beginning to hate baby names! We'd agreed on a girls name (Elisabeth, nn Lissy) but that's no use now! We're v keen on Biblical names but are really struggling to find ones we both like. I like the more unusual old testament names (Moses, Abraham, Asher, Gideon...) & he likes the more common ones like Matthew, Daniel, Peter, etc. We had sort of settled on Levi until I stupidly asked on MN what people thought. Some liked it, others thought it was a good name for a dog or just a bit 'lower class' & one person seemed to get really offended because the Levites were the special priests so it's apparently not like choosing any other name for Jewish people. <Sigh> I'm beginning to see the appeal of random, non-names. I might just call him 'Sofa' or whatever I happen to see first after he's born! It's too hard! sad

Oh Jo I couldn't agree with you more on hating baby names. DH is vetoing all of the names that I like, which is really hard for me to find in the first place b/c I've got this thing about not naming our baby something that is popular so she won't have 3 more girls in her class with the same name....I've suddenly become incredibly anal about where the name it placed in the top 100 names, it's gotta be less popular than that. This has become sort of an obsession of mine and it's just driving me crazy. I should just take a break for awhile! Plus DS2 has a very unique name and I don't know if we'll ever be able to be as cool in the naming department again after him.... so I totally know what you're talking about too, Kitty. <Le sigh>

OhThePlacesYoullGo Mon 28-Jan-13 20:58:25

Jojo, I knew someone with a very unusual biblical name that I always thought was cool. His name was Nehemiah. For what it's worth I also really like Moses and Gideon from your list.

We've got two names at the moment and figure we'll decide between them when we meet her. I'm with you bring would not want baby to have the same name as every other little girl in her age group.

Jojobump1986 Mon 28-Jan-13 21:12:19

I love Nehemiah! It's way too out-there for DH though! Did he have a nn or was he always known by his full name?

So Isabella, bella, belle, ect is a defo no no for us all then lol
I like quite traditional boys names actually and like William Steven jack ect but never heard of Asher before and think that's pretty cool
Is ds name traditional, who got there own way with that one?
I love my dd name and it isn't in the top 100 so all good there but hard to find one that matches up now

Jojobump1986 Mon 28-Jan-13 21:22:09

DS1s name is a traditional one, but doesn't seem hugely popular in this generation - DH had to decide because I just kept looking at him & nothing seemed right! We've agreed that I get to name the next one, although DH reserves the right to veto anything really 'interesting'! I think part of the appeal of the unusual names for me is that I won't have already associated the name with a face/personality. I knew numerous Matthews/Daniels/Davids growing up some of whom I may have had a thing for so it doesn't really seem appropriate to give my child any of those names!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 28-Jan-13 21:33:59

Evening all. <waves tiredly>

peardrop2 Mon 28-Jan-13 21:36:31

Kitty - you make a very good point about receiving gifts from friends etc so I've now made myself a 'after born' list to help control my shopping urges ;)

Loving the name chatter! I decided on a boys name about 2 years ago which DH likes a lot so we're sticking with that. I kind of feel I'm missing out! I did go through the name book just in case but nothing matched the name I like already. My dh is mega picky though so I can relate to your frustrations!

peardrop2 Mon 28-Jan-13 21:37:37

Will you all be choosing middle names or just stick to one name?

OhThePlacesYoullGo Mon 28-Jan-13 21:57:48

Jojo, we usually called him Miah (pronounced My-ah, not mee-ah). Slightly more unfortunate was that our childhood also coincided with a popular Pixar film, so we also called him Nemo a lot for a while, which everyone thought was so cool. He was a hit with the ladddieees... grin

pear, we'll use DH's grandma's name as middle name.

peardrop2 Mon 28-Jan-13 22:06:07

Ahh that's lovely Ohtheplaces

OhThePlacesYoullGo Mon 28-Jan-13 22:17:43

Hahaha talk about sub-conscience.... I guess I have been reading these forums too much, but I appear to have just married BF in my head. blush Ooops. (Don't tell him).

Hahah, oh that's ok Places smile Your secret is safe with us.

HI frus everything okay?

I have a friend who has a ds same age as my youngest named Asher and he's seriously the cutest little guy! I like the name a lot.

DS1's name is James and there are about a million boys named James-but we named him after my Gramps who passed away a few days after I discovered I was pregnant. That's the only kidlet we're allowing to have a very traditional and popular name.

Jojobump1986 Mon 28-Jan-13 22:50:09

Heehee! Sneaky - I love it! Just start referring to him as your DH & see if he notices! wink

Re: Middle names, DS1 shares DH's middle name & since both our fathers' middle names are the same, DS2 is sorted v easily! Not quite sure what we'd do if we have any more boys. I'd love to name one after my grandfather who died when I was 11 but he hated all 3 of his names & would turn in his grave! Personally I can't see any reason why anyone would object to Dudley, Lionel or Mortimer! grin

I think I have to avoid any name ending in 'iah' - it means God & is technically pronounced 'yah', rather than 'I-ah'. DFIL gave us a nice long lecture about how people mispronounce many Hebrew names a few months ago & I refuse to inflict that on any child! Unfortunately that means that Isaiah is out which is probably my favourite name that DH has been coming around to. Most people would probably spell it wrong anyway. sad We'll find a proper name for him eventually!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 28-Jan-13 23:13:48

I'm okay bring, dd2 isn't well, I fell down the stairs yesterday bump is fine and dandy, but my elbow is bruised and sore
On a better note, DH finally felt bumpy kick. Dd2 has been feeling him for days, and finally seems to realise that there is a baby in the bump, as she "talks" to it, and earlier said "the baby" whilst pretending she had a bump too. grin
Bumpy has a name and a nickname already but not tempting fate by telling anyone and he has a hefty kick on him that makes me feel quite ill at times

Jojobump1986 Mon 28-Jan-13 23:20:21

Aww Frus that's so sweet! It's things like that that make me wish we'd waited until DS1 was older before having this one. I showed him a doll earlier, thinking that I could start introducing the concept of babies & gentleness. He poked it in the eye & wandered away. hmm

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 28-Jan-13 23:32:32

Ah but jojo is in many aspects much younger than her chronological age.
She won't play with dolls, it's much more fun to bash them on the head but she is a real sweetie with real babies, and tries to shove put a dummy in their mouth if they cry.

Jojobump1986 Mon 28-Jan-13 23:40:54

I shall try him out with a real baby sometime then. Maybe he'll be more careful! There'll be no shortage of babies for him to get used to soon - SIL due in Feb, his Godmother's due in April & there are various other people we know expecting shortly before DS2 should be making an appearance! He's trying out new words at the moment - giggle (tickle), dadada (daddy), duh (duck/any kind of bird!) - so we might have 'baby' by June!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 29-Jan-13 00:15:48

New words are always fab. "The" and "baby" are new words for us. Maigh leave it a few months before we try to teach her bumpys name.

peardrop2 Tue 29-Jan-13 04:06:39

Frus - glad to hear you're ok after your little fall down the stairs shock

My friend has a 2yr old Dd and a newborn Dd. The 2yr old tries to pick it up from the Moses basket like a doll all the time. It sounds really cute but it must be really scary to deal with!!

Oh no frus! Was it a bad fall?! Atleast you are ok, it's so dangerous this pregnant thing isn't it!! My dd has an ear infection from me and dh having colds, she's doing much better since the gp prescribed antibiotic but she screamed all day yesterday hitting me and and just in pain, she's never been like that before sad
My dd loves baby's as sees her cousin all the time and just tries to cuddle her but she does lean on her sometimes and I'm sure when her sister is born she will try and pick her up!
grin At oh the places new dh ha ha

Pear what were you doing up at 4 shock!! I was asleep at 9:30 last night ha ha

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 29-Jan-13 10:38:54

I'm okay thanks pear
No kitty it wasn't a bad fall, I slipped, bashed my arms, and kind of sat down rather than landing with a bump on my arse and didnt move for 10 minutes because of the pain in my elbow.

And bumpy didnt even wake up. He seems to have a noticable wake/sleep pattern now.
I'm not sure what he's kicking in there probably the placenta but it's making me feel quite queasy.

peardrop2 Tue 29-Jan-13 13:33:19

Kitty - I am going to bed early but I'm not sleeping well. I just can't get used to sleeping on my left hand side. Surrounding myself in pillows seems to help! Anyway DH woke up early for work which woke me up. Once I'm awake bubs starts being very active first thing and it's tricky to go back to sleep hmm

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 29-Jan-13 14:16:17

What happened to being blooming. Humpf. <sulks> heartburn, reflux, knackered, and look like crap. Did I miss my bloom? Did anybody see where it went?

Pear I wouldn't worry too much about left hand sleeping at this stage, last night was the first night I've had a reasonable nights sleep but before then with a blocked up nose it's been however I can, left, right middle front if it helped me!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 29-Jan-13 15:04:23

I agree with kitty I'm currently sleeping however I can just to get some sleep.

Jojobump1986 Tue 29-Jan-13 15:41:20

Me too, although I put a pillow under my bump to support it when I'm lying on my right. I've decided that takes the pressure off the vein so it's all ok! wink

Lorelei353 Tue 29-Jan-13 16:09:24

My sleeping's hit and miss. Some nights I'm okay - although I do have to flip flop from right to left all night - and some nights my back and hips just ache massively when I lie in any position too long.
This morning also brought the unwelcome return of sciatica. Hmph. What's that you said about bloom frus? If you find yours, will you see if mine's there too?

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 29-Jan-13 16:14:33

lore in the best possible way, in glad it's not just my bloom that is missing.

Jojobump1986 Tue 29-Jan-13 16:28:00

My bloom has yet to make an appearance too. I bet someone's stolen them all. They've got a whole bouquet of stolen blooms!

Me too and might I add I seem to have not only lost a bloom but been dragged under a bus when it was stolen!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 29-Jan-13 20:42:31

Must have happened when someone got a huge plunger and plungered my stomach and made it huge and sticky-out-y. hmm

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 29-Jan-13 22:12:15

Does the stolen bloom look like this one or this one?

Jojobump1986 Tue 29-Jan-13 22:18:02
FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 29-Jan-13 22:27:05

They look so pretty jojo it would almost be a shame to use them.

Did I say I finally caught the bump moving earlier. Didnt look like this <insert strange link>
Anyone else caught theirs moving yet?

Jojobump1986 Tue 29-Jan-13 23:21:04

MIL got us the standard blue bouquet after DS was born & it was ages before I could bring myself to dismantle it! I saved most of the fabric flowers & leaves & put them in a tiny vase I have in our living room purely because I couldn't bear to throw them out! They're so pretty!

I don't remember seeing my bump actually visibly move even at the end of the last pregnancy. I do remember sitting across the room from a friend who was trying to pretend she wasn't in labour & watching her stomach wobbling around - really freaked me out! I can't decide if I'd like this or not!

Yes to the bumping and jumping bump. This kid moves around and it looks like a sac of cats. I don't know if it's the lack of abdominal tone from being stretched twice before or if she just kicks that hard, but she is a very, very strong kicker! Her favorite spots have been either right under the belly button (ouch) or into my hip bones.

No to the blooming, especially today. My back is killing me- even after a trip to the chiro to put my old-lady hips back in place. I have to say I've been very surprised at my sudden increase in libido! My goodness, where did that come from?? grin blush

Jojobump1986 Wed 30-Jan-13 01:19:56

My bump is jumping! grin DH saw it too! After about 5 attempts! He stops wriggling whenever Daddy's in the room!
Going to bed now! I didn't feel up to doing the shopping today so DH did a late-night run & decided that we're going to have salads for lunch tomorrow that had to be prepared by me tonight! Definitely having a lie-in tomorrow!

Lorelei353 Wed 30-Jan-13 13:07:03

Can't see bump jumping but you can feel it from the outside now, although DH hasn't yet. Babs stops wriggling whenever he puts his hand on my bump.

Bloom is wilting further. Had a miserable night's sleep last night. Hips and back and calves just aching. Had to get up at 4.45 and just wander around the house trying to settle them down. So tired today and off to a gig tonight.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 30-Jan-13 14:01:58

Bumpy does that too lore moment DH puts his hand on the bump he stops moving. Bumpy doesn't seem to mind dd touching though. But then he's probably used to dd climbing all over me anyway.

Catching (seeing) it move is the tricky one and dependant on how tight my top is, as if I lift it up he stops. Responce to light I guess.

Mine goes mad whenever I lie down on my back, can almost predict to anyone if they want to see it that it will start within a few minutes, was the same with dd, only a week after I felt it it was visable moving although I only ever got the flicks not the whole body move I've seen some people have which is amazing!

DH finally felt her move about two nights ago. Now he's hooked and won't leave my belly alone. He's always asking "is she moving right now!?" hmm Nope, not if you're not feeling anything darling!

Lor Leg aches and cramps at night can significantly be reduced through calcium/magnesium supplements. I know I've posted about it before, but ration 1:1 or 1:2 (ie 1,000mg cal to 500 mg mag) of liquid or tablets if you can't find liquid right before bed will help! It's also awesome at helping you fall asleep if you're having problems with sleeping. Take the suggested dose on the bottle, you know you can reduce the dosage if you start having loose BMs. Epsom salt baths (like 3 cups of the salts in a very warm bath) before bed can help reduce the leg cramps and restless legs as well.

Lorelei353 Thu 31-Jan-13 09:47:47

Thanks for the info bring. I'll have a look into those supplements.

Actually slept okay last night (just didn't get enough of it) but still achy this morning. Lower back is not happy. It was really sore after a few hours sitting at a gig last night.

peardrop2 Thu 31-Jan-13 10:09:23

Lor - I woke up with lower back pain too hmm I could do with a really good stretch!!

Lorelei353 Thu 31-Jan-13 11:31:15

Me too pear. I missed my yoga class last night because I went to that gig but I could really have done with it!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Thu 31-Jan-13 12:17:03

Genetics have agreed to test the cord blood. smile

in other less happy news dds life sucks. sad sad sad I don't know what to do to make it better for her. I'm a hormonal mess. sad

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Thu 31-Jan-13 16:24:56

<Ppfffttt> [hormonal emoticon]

Jojobump1986 Thu 31-Jan-13 17:15:12

What's this about the cord blood? Sorry things are bad for your DD at the moment! I'd like to have a helpful suggestion... but I don't! sad Have an un-MN-y <hug> instead!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Thu 31-Jan-13 17:25:10

Hug gratefully recieved.

Cord blood test for a genetic condition. Cord contains mums blood and babys blood, taking sample of cord blood is less stressful for all involved if cord blood is taken rather than stabbing small child repeatedly and tramatising them to get blood sample. And genetics agreed smile and agreed to the test.

Jojobump1986 Thu 31-Jan-13 17:29:54

Oh that's good then! I remember DS having various heel pricks after he was born. The first time the doctor took him away to do it & came back asking if we'd heard him cry at all - apparently all babies should cry when you poke a hole in them & DS barely looked concerned! He screamed & bled for ages after the next one though - different doctor who left a scar there for at least 2 weeks! The first one healed after a day or 2! confused

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Thu 31-Jan-13 17:39:17

I can handle the heal prick tests. itss the needle in the arm to take a syringe full that I can't handle, especially when the idiot taking the blood from hysterically screaming dd2 tries the back of both hands repeatedly before being told by a passing doctor that for the amount of blood that was needed they should have gone for straight for the inner elbow, and doctor promptly takes the required amount in less than a minute

Jojobump1986 Thu 31-Jan-13 17:43:34

sad Poor DD! I remember many years of watching my parents pin my sister down so various doctors could take her blood to check her under-developed kidney tissue was functioning. Not a fun experience for anyone involved! Must be even worse when it's your own child & they're so tiny!

Jojobump1986 Thu 31-Jan-13 17:45:26

(And the doctors are incompetent... My DSis still loves to tell the story of the doctor who somehow managed to get her blood all over themselves & half the room! She didn't find it amusing at the time because it meant another needle!)

Ahhh frus sorry your feeling blue and dd is having a hard time < hugs> has anything happened or are you just feeling it more then usual today? X

Ugh, that was the worst part of the midwifery job, having to jab babies! Cord blood retrieval is so much easier.

Sorry you're not having a good day, Frus!

Jojobump1986 Fri 01-Feb-13 16:18:00

I'm lactating again! Didn't do it last time until a week or 2 before EDD but it's seemed to come & go since about 10 weeks this time! confused It's now very yellow. Previously it was white-ish but it's so yellow I was worried it was pus for a minute! No pain other than the usual let-down tingle though so I'm sure it's just colostrum. I'm suddenly getting the urge to borrow a baby to bf - I'm not uncomfortable but it would feel sort of relieving! 15 weeks & counting before I start trying to encourage the baby out! I'd happily have him now but I suppose it's sensible to wait until 37 weeks! <Sulk> wink

I keep forgetting to ask but has anyone been given their mat1b firm? I'm sure I got it at the 20wk scan last time but didn't this time and not got mw app till28wks, should I have had it??

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Fri 01-Feb-13 20:52:33

I got mine kitty. But I was told by midwife to make an appointment for after the scan to get it. Isn't 28weeks to late to hand into employer?

Awesome news, Jo! You are definitely getting ready for this new babe. I've started leaking again too (oh joy) so things are definitely gearing up for me too.

Suddenly feeling huge. Like, the kind where I can't fully bend over anymore, starting to feel really full when eating, or can't use the abdominals to get up off the couch or out of bed. <sigh> It feels too soon for this part of the pregnancy already!

Jojobump1986 Sat 02-Feb-13 15:35:58

It's a shame the Six Nations are on now instead of in a few months time. All this jumping around & shrieking like a banshee must be enough to encourage labour along! My belly does feel a bit odd...! grin blush

I think I scared my DH the first time he saw me during a rugby match - I'm normally quite a composed/quiet person & yet when the rugby starts I sit about 2" from the screen & squeak most of the time & scream/shout when it gets exciting. It's all I can do to stop myself actually swearing sometimes! blush DH has taken DS out while I watch today!

Bring, I agree, somehow it simultaneously feels like it's moving along far too quickly but also like it should be almost over because of all the symptoms that make me feel further along than I am! confused

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 03-Feb-13 18:11:30

Evening all. How is everyone today?

Jojobump1986 Sun 03-Feb-13 19:31:58

I'm doing well today - belly's calmed down after feeling weird all day yesterday. I didn't watch the rugby today!

How are you doing Frus?

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 04-Feb-13 08:44:39

Pregnancy wise I'm doing good, thank you jojo except for the sleeping, and the pillows aren't helping.

Jojobump1986 Mon 04-Feb-13 09:01:15

I finally got to sleep at 4am. I'm exhausted! Absolutely no reason for it, I just couldn't quite switch off! sad How's your DD?

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 04-Feb-13 15:49:02

She's feeling better but her sleep is still out.

Hi ladies! Hope everyone had a good wkend, I did but still fighting off tail end if this cold and we thought dd had it plus ear infection, she seemed better after starting antibiotics however she's woken today with spots like chicken pox! Has anyone experience with them? Would she not still be feeling ill if it was the pox? She seems ok in herself but they certainly look like them?? I've had it before but as a child, if it is the pox will I need to see a gp? What would you do??

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 04-Feb-13 22:20:40

IME, pox will spread before they feel yuck, although starts with cold-like symptoms. (Could it possibly be a viral rash relating to cold?)

No need for doctors in the early days, unless you want to be sure of diagnosis, but i wouldnt go straight away as our GP struggled to diagnose until a good few days in, when you can see all the stages. Make sure she keeps drinking, and see doctor if they get infected or inside her mouth.
My dd got them really bad (even her pox had pox) and got hospitalised, pickled inside and out and refusing fluids and meds other dd only had about 20!
Virasoothe is amazing stuff.

Not sure it definatly is frus but its comming on quickly, more spots this morning and the little ones last night have become blistery, she was unwell last week cold symptoms, temp lathargic and we thought ear infection but has been fine for the last 4days Untill spots have appeared!
I don't think I'll bother with gp as she seems fine, is that cream something I can but over the counter?

Librarina Tue 05-Feb-13 08:30:19

Hi, sorry I've been absent, been very grumpy about having a cold and DH has been working away so I've been spending evenings at my Mums house where she's been feeding me lots of yummy Mum Food.

Pox doesn't sound fun Frus, I went to the aquarium with my friend's post-poxy baby and she looked so forlorn with the little scabs on her head! Still, she cheered up when we saw the sharks!

Everything's fine here. Bump wriggles and jiggles so much that I almost don't like it. Can see from the outside, looks alien. Baby does seem to insist on kicking my bladder and that hurts rather.

Anyway, better get out and try and dig my car out of the snow, drive carefully.

peardrop2 Tue 05-Feb-13 09:21:30

Hi ladies, oh sympathies to you kitty I can't imagine it's much fun in your household at the moment! You too lib colds are yuk but I am a little envious of your mums yummy cooking smile

I'm 25w today and looking forward to seeing the midwife on Friday! Baby blue is kicking lots which I love...even at 5am!

Hope everyone else is doing well pregnancy wise?

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 05-Feb-13 10:40:26

Yeah, they sell it over the counter kitty we got it from asda pharmacy. Sounds poxy if its coming on that quick. sad

libra I'm jealous of alien movements, I have an anterior placenta again so no alien movements for me. sad I did have them with dd1 though, was amazingly freaky.

Are you excited about Friday pear? I can't believe we're so far along already.

I'm just waiting for DH to stop wasting time in halfords and then I'm going to get some baby clothes.

Librarina Tue 05-Feb-13 12:14:52

Oh, don't be jealous of my wierd baby alien. I feel bad for saying it, but I'm not entirely keen on the sensation. I've had years of kidney & bladder problems and UTIs so any sort of pain in that area gets me into a bit of a panic. The twinge when the baby writhes, is scarily similar to the twinge at the start of a UTI. I feel horrible for not liking it, but that whole area is so associated with pain that I'm finding it hard to separate the sensations of baby movement from the fear of developing yet another infection.

However, on a much happier note. I've bought baby clothes! Gap have done a range of Beatrix Potter baby clothes and I've just about bought all of them. I'll try and add a picture soon as they are ludicrously cute! I was so happy to find them as I was beginning to worry that my poor baby would having nothing to wear.

Have fun on Friday Pear. I'm 22 weeks I think so a little behind you. Time to give the bump a stew sandwich (more Mum leftovers), that's not weird is it?

Hmm, yeah it does sound just like pox. Feeling ill for a few days and then the blisters popping up....very classic. Oatmeal baths, lotion, and anti-itch cream is the ticket to helping her stay comfortable. Good luck!

It is so weird the way babies move and totally take over sometimes! This #3 and I still am in awe with the whole thing.

The baby clothes are the super exciting part! Excited for you Lib!

So.... I suspect that this lady is going through another growth spurt. I feel like I can't stay full! I'm getting hungry like every hour today and even after eating high-protein things. I hope this doesn't last long, I am already growing at an alarming rate!

And the scratching has begun sad
She's got about 10 on her poor little face now!
I've seen the Beatrix potter thing lib, they are really cute, boots is also really good for little ones surprisingly and is on buy one get one half price at the min, I wouldn't go mad though, you will get tons of things!!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Tue 05-Feb-13 18:39:33

Oh no kitty make sure dds nails are cut as short as you can get them.

peardrop2 Tue 05-Feb-13 20:04:51

Yes Frus I'm looking forward to meeting the new midwife! Hope I finally get answers to my questions and she hands over that mat form!

Lib I've seen the BP clothes. They're gorgeous smile well chosen!

24wks!!!! I have a proper baby apparently grin

Jojobump1986 Wed 06-Feb-13 14:01:18

grin That's so exciting kitty! I was being unusually active this morning & my stomach started hurting so I told DS2 that he needs to hang on for at least another 6 days until we've reached 24 weeks!

Ha ha Ive been doing that to Jojo just couldn't wait to feel like hospitals etc will try everything if anything happens now and we have a chance, my god daughter was born at 24wks and is a perfect 14yr old now so it's a big mile stone in my mind! ( still want little one to stick around for another 13 wks though!!)

It's all very crazy to think, isn't it?

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 06-Feb-13 21:03:05

I reach 24 on Friday. Does that mean that the kicks I'm currently getting aren't viable until then?
OMG only 16 weeks left! Now that is scary!

Jojobump1986 Wed 06-Feb-13 21:08:44

It's getting more common for pre-24-week babies to survive but I think it's still the case that after 24 weeks the chances are much greater. DH was mocking me when I said that earlier - he seemed to think I was under the impression that the stats changed at midnight. hmm Still, it feels like it's another milestone reached! smile

Yes frus it's all in your mind and on Friday that is when your baby will become real wink
I know it's abit mad to lay it all on 24wks, like you said Jojo it doesn't all change at midnight but I do think the attitude of hospital staff seems to change at 24wks and a friend who's been facing pre term labour said the same, like they only really rated the baby's chance and gave her steroids after she went to 24wks!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 06-Feb-13 21:39:37

Do you think that someone can tell my hay-wire hormones and heartburn that its not viable until Friday will they go away and come back after then? Because Gaviscon is rank
jojo stats definately change at midnight, DH should know that. wink

Lorelei353 Thu 07-Feb-13 11:26:23

I like the idea of 24 weeks, now it's a baby! I'm 22+4 so not quite there yet.

I'm so jealous that some of you have bought that Peter Rabbit stuff from The Gap. It's SO cute! I love it. We haven't bought anything at all yet!

Kitty I hope the pox isn't too bad on your little one. Sounds like you're having a tough time of it at home!

Just had a 22 week GP appt. She found some sugar in my urine which is a first. She seemed on the fence about whether it was enough to worry about or not so she's sent me off for a fasting glucose test. There's a local clinic where you can just drop-in and do that so it's handy enough. Will do it on the way to work tomorrow morning. She didn't seem overly concerned though.

I'm also putting off my anti-D injections for a few weeks to allow me to get the Whooping Cough jab at 28 weeks. The GP and nurse both seemed adamant that it was more important than the anti-D one at this stage and I can get that a few weeks later.

Other than that all good. Got to hear the heartbeat for the first time! 142bpm grin. Little one is really kicking these days. My DH can even feel it now which he's really excited about.

Hi lot good to hear from you smile things are ok at home thanks my little darling is trooping in and gas been so good through the whole thing ( not one sleepless night) touches wood really don't know what I did to deserve her!
That's a fast little hb, don't the old wives suggest over 135 a girl?!?
Why do they want you to get whooping cough at 28wks, couldn't that be done later aswell? Seems abit weird! I'm getting a 25wk app after all as didn't get my mat1b, good job I checked! You'd think it's be a standard thing to get it at a certain appointment so that its not forgotten wouldn't you?i have only bought bubs one thing which is the most gorgeous little sleep suit from ted baker covered with butterfly's, it was in the sale and is my little treat as the rest of the clothes will be hand me downs grinhas anyone made their big purchases yet??

Lorelei353 Thu 07-Feb-13 13:25:25

Glad little one's doing well kitty (accidentally typed ktitty there!)

I haven't got my mat1B yet either. I think the midwives said they'd give it to me at 28 week appt.

The anti-D leaflet says you should have vaccinations 3 weeks before getting it or 3 months after so need to do whooping cough one first. Got to say though, the GP didn't seem to know if it was one of the vaccinations affected by getting anti-D or not. She reckoned the midwife would know more. Must go off and do some googling. Considering the GP didn't tell me what was involved in the fasting glucose test tomorrow I'm not surprised. I've just discovered that I'll be there for 2 hours! I thought it was a 'drop in and give blood' kind of thing.

I think I've heard that thing about faster heartbeats being a girl alright. Who knows! I'll let you know in June!

Haven't bought any big purchases yet, but my DH has a spreadsheet with a list, and our choices of things like buggys and cribs on it and links to where we're getting them from. We don't have a lot of space to store things so are waiting a bit before buying them.

Spilling glucose in the urine is a really common thing for pregnant women and most of the time, it's benign. Our kidneys are functioning on a totally different level than they do when we're not pregnant, so the occasional glucose spillage is not really something to be too concerned about. Sometimes women will even spill glucose a few hours after having fruit juice, ice cream, a high-carb meal, etc. and then they won't spill it again. Good luck on the 2hr test. I would suggest eating a high protein meal before going in with very little carbs or sugars, as the glucose they will give you is around 50 grams of sugars!

Lorelei353 Thu 07-Feb-13 14:46:12

I'm not too worried about it bring. She didn't seem too bothered either. I'm sure it'll be fine. I don't really have any extra risk factors - bmi is good, baby size is good, no family history...

Going to go in at 8am when they open and have breakfast as soon as I get out of there at 10-ish!

Sorry lor iPhone had changes you to lot aswell although not quite as funny as titty grin
Double check on your mat1b as pretty sure 28wks is too late to give it in for employees hence them making me one at 25 as I have one at 28 anyway?!
I see with the vaccines now, atleast you will be done then!
Is anyone doing anything nice for valentines? We usual just do the m&s dine in, was looking at drinking thread earlier and realised I havnt had one for months and don't think about it, I love a beer so it's strange, is anyone else found it hard or like me just forget to want/ think about it!
Maybe we should do a list of things for the first timers that were useful purchases and those that seemed pointless in the end?

Pointless things I've discovered after 2 kids:
-Baby baths (just dunk the little mites in the sink or normal bathtub)
-A changing table (floor and a changing mat works wonders!)
-Breastfeeding cover-ups (just fling a blanket over your shoulder. they tend to be so brightly colored and pattered that it basically screams "I have my boob out right now!)
-Crib bumpers (not even safe for baby and tend to take up space and money, although they are cute!)
-Baby lotion and shampoo (the lotions have chemicals that are horrible for babies' skin which is extremely porous, and they don't get that dirty so just some water is all you need).
-Lots of newborn clothes (get the 0-3, 3-6, 6-9 clothes, as babies are in newborn size for about a week!)

Baby favorites of mine:
-Breastfeeding pillow
-Moses basket, vibrating chair, or swing for baby when you're on the couch
-Muslins or flannel blankets for swaddling, breastfeeding cover-up, spit up cleaner, etc. Very versatile!
-Baby carrier (moby, ergo, baby sling, etc.) so essential for a cuddly baby who won't let you put it down, but you can still use two hands!
-Sleep sacks (really nice for night-time nappy changes and you don't have to fiddle with zippers or poppers).

Librarina Thu 07-Feb-13 16:36:13

That's a good list trumpets, it's good to learn from someone who's done it before.

I've been donated quite a lot of stuff, a baby bath being one of them but it's good to know we can just splash in the sink when away from home.
I have one newborn babygro so baby has something nice to come home from hospital in, everything else is bigger.
I like the idea of swaddling so I'll try to do that. In aforementioned brightly coloured muslins. We're being given a sling and a moses basket so that'll be good.

Re: Valentines day Kitty I think we're going to steal your M&S idea, feeling a bit lazy and hate going out on that date.

Jojo Is your tummy still hurting? Mine really aches, around my bellybutton and right at the bottom, feel like I want to hold my bump up all the time (If it's like this now, what do the next 17 weeks hold??)

Lorelei353 Thu 07-Feb-13 16:37:15

Hmm, I've asked my HR dept if they need it sooner. Will see what they say.

No big valentines plans, but then we never do anything more than a nice meal at home (sometimes the M&S dine in one too).

I LOVE the list of things you really need and seem pointless. As a first-timer I've been trying to wade through what we really need and what we can skip.

Lorelei353 Thu 07-Feb-13 16:49:13

My HR dept. say 20th March is fine (I'll be 28 weeks so it's just under 12 weeks before due date)

Oh that's good lor, just he deps can be really funny about things like that well mine!
Things I found great and useless
Those gro eggs were pretty pointless from my point of view, tell you If room is hot/ cold but my monitor had a temp gage on it so never turned it on
Agree with trumpets that when you bf more subtle to use scarf or cardi, blanket screams my boob is out!
Also agree on baby products johnsons baby bath gave mine excema or aggravated it anyway

Night light or little dim lamp great as in the middle of the night when you want to change a bum without blinding the poor little thing with the big light that was something we asked for after baby was born as hasn't thought about it
I had some things free with breast pump called breast shells, you slip them in your bra when boobs got engorged or when feeding from the other side, they collect the milk you leek so top stays dry and you can poor it into a container and use later, I only used them at home but they were brilliant if you did bf as you wouldn't believe in the early days how much you could leak, I could have 2oz from one side a feed!!
Jumparoos amazing!! All babies seem to love them
I had an armchair in bedroom not a special bf one but a nice one originally bought for show but it was great and we still use it every night now!
Infacol/ gripe water/ colief/ calpol a mums best friend especially if you get a colicy baby
Anabel karmels baby/ toddler recipie book, not met a baby who didn't like almost all her meals they taste so much better then the rubish you buy I can't tell you, oh and if you plan on making a hand blender too!

Oh! I thought of some more:
The bibs that have arms attached, so much easier to clean up after feeding. Get a lot of them!
A soft, cotton, shorter dressing gown (like thigh/knee length) so you can still be covered up while feeding, but not get tangled in it while in bed or have to lift your whole shirt.
Lots of meals in the freezer, or have a system so friends and family can bring you food for the first 2 weeks.
A GIANT water bottle with a top and a straw to keep next to your bed or couch to keep hydrated during the day/night.
The Happiest Baby on the Block DVD or book-tips that will save your sanity in the first few weeks.
A reusable ice pack or at least frozen veg in the freezer for a healing perineum.

I'm sure more will come to me...

Jojobump1986 Thu 07-Feb-13 20:37:14

Lib - Yes, still sore if I do anything! I walked a mile to meet some friends today. DS walked the first 1/3 of the way before my arm got tired from him pulling on my finger. It's the furthest he's walked. I was v impressed! I'm hoping to get him to the point where he can walk there & back before DS2 arrives. The walk there was fine, if a bit tiring, but on the way back I had to lean heavily on the buggy & walk at half speed because of the pain! I nearly had to ask a passing stranger to help me get the buggy over the 2" step into the house! blush I think it's just too much for my poor muscles! DS & I had a lovely nap together in my bed all afternoon - the first time since he was tiny that he's let me cuddle him while he slept! My stomach has been fine since we woke up & I have felt DS2 move, although maybe not as much as usual. He's usually most active in the late evening so if I don't get lots of kicks later I might call the midwife tomorrow & see if I can get someone to check the heartbeat. To be fair, I was active all morning & slept all afternoon so it's not surprising that I haven't felt him as much!

Re: MATB1 forms, I'm self-employed so can apply for the maternity allowance whenever I want! No nasty HR depts for me to deal with thankfully!

We have 2 baby baths that we were given. We tried him in one once & he screamed the entire time! He loved coming in my baths with me though! We're keeping them for sand/water play when he gets a bit bigger! smile

Jojobump1986 Fri 08-Feb-13 17:16:21

The weirdest thing happened today. I was eating pie that DH made & froze the other day. We had it for dinner a few days ago & I really enjoyed it but I was nearly sick while eating the last mouthful today! I was absolutely fine before that but I suddenly felt like I couldn't swallow it & then thought I was going to vomit when I did! confused I initially put it down to my gag reflex being bizarrely over-active but I went into the kitchen just now & saw the plate I'd used waiting to be washed up & was nearly sick at the sight of it! I'm supposed to be cooking dinner tonight but can't face the thought of being in the kitchen - just thinking about it makes me feel a bit dodgy! sad Such a shame - there's several more pieces of the tasty pie in the freezer & I'm not going to be able to eat any of it! angry

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Fri 08-Feb-13 18:41:28

Oh you poor thing jojo still being sick isn't nice. sad

merrygiant Sat 09-Feb-13 12:32:55

Hi everyone, glad to hear we're all plodding on, I hope those with niggles and poorly DCs all feel better soon.

I'm starting to accumulate an awful lot of 'stuff' now. My Dad brought down a buggy and moses basket the other weekend. Great to have a free buggy, but it is about 13 years old, so not the most trendy. I don't care too much and its great to be saving all that money.

I bought some fabric and have started lining the moses basket with it. Except the cat has decided it makes a perfect cat-bed. And the other cat keeps trying to curl up in the buggy. I really hope once LO is here, they will realise who this stuff actually belongs to!

Not sure if I told you all what we're having. But after getting the sonographer to write down the sex, we only lasted 2 days without having a peek. So, its a BOY!! After initially feeling ever so slightly sad for the girl we won't be having, I am now totally embracing the boy-ness of him. Bring it on!

Your MatB1 forms can only be given out after you're 20 weeks. NICE recommends that first-time mums are seen at 25 weeks (after the 20 week scan) and so that is when I give the form out. If HR depts are nagging before then, then I get women to come into the unit and pick one up. Worth noting that we can only issue ONE per woman, so if you are asked for the original, it is worth taking a copy incase you need it for any other application such as benefits/sure start grant etc.

I bought my first baby clothes the other day, 1/2 price in Sainsbos. I nearly went crazy and got loads, but managed to restrain myself. It does seem that babes are in newborn stuff for a really short time so I'm trying to get a range of sizes.

Choosing a name is beginning to be the hardest part of the pregnancy so far! OH is very good at saying 'no, don't like that' but not so good at suggesting something he does like. Anyone else struggling?

Thanks to the mums on here for the useful/useless tips. There's some good threads knocking about elsewhere about the things you really need: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/pregnancy/1670445-What-do-newborns-sleep-in-and-other-silly-questions-from-me

Jojobump1986 Sat 09-Feb-13 13:46:02

Yes, DH is useless when it comes to names! I have to present him with a shortlist which he looks through & discounts all of them & then expects me to come up with another list! It's really annoying me! I can't find any names that I really love, just some that don't instantly conjure up negative connotations for either of us. I realised the other day that our current favourite name is also the name of the man who murdered a girl DH was at school with. I can't decide whether or not to mention it to him. It's not something he's ever really talked about but I don't know if it's because he finds it a bit traumatic or because it didn't affect him that much or if he finds it awkward to talk about her because he had a crush on one of her friends! I'd hate to end up calling our child by the same name & for him to realise to connection later & be bothered by it! confused

Yay! Congrats Merry!! Boys really are so sweet to their mamas and so much fun! I love being the mum to 2 boys, I wouldn't have it any other way.

We have finally decided on a name, now it's just the middle name that we can't decide on.

Any other 2nd-3rd time mums feeling just ridiculously huge for this stage? I'm going through a "I can not believe I'm going to keep getting bigger than this" stage. Feeling like my bump is going to fall off of my body due to the complete lack of abdominal muscle tone definitely is not helping. I've already had to taken to wearing a maternity belt just to take some of the weight off. Eek!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 09-Feb-13 15:53:45

Know how you feel there bring, not helped by people asking how much longer I have left and frowning as of I'm lying when I say 4 months. hmm

Librarina Sat 09-Feb-13 17:25:27

I'm only first time mum and I'm huge. My own mum keeps looking at my bump and grimacing saying "That's not staying til June", thanks Mum!

We can only agree on one boys name, which is fine, you only need one.
We have lots of girls names, but most of them sound like cats.

LOL at your name choices sounding like cats, Lib!

Ok. I just need to RANT about this. Currently dealing with "Man Flu" at my house with DH. Whining, complaining, feeling the need to share every single symptom and problem, sharing everything that's gone on in the toilet <gee, thanks hun, just what I wanted to hear> and then getting huffy and pissed off at me for not acting "sympathetic" enough (his words, not mine). He also claims that I see it as a sign of weakness. No, I just see it as a very annoying thing to have to deal with! My goodness, it's more fun being around a sick 4 year old and almost 3 year old than a sick 37 year old! URGH! I'm his wife, not his mother, what does he expect me to do!?

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 09-Feb-13 18:04:20

grin bring I tell DH that all the time. "I'm not your mum" and "feel sorry for yourself all you want, I'm not joining your pity party" [harsh bitch emoticon] I don't do sympathy

Totally agree, when dh is ill it's like the world has ended, when I had the same thing but worse I was still expected to look after dd and do everything else!! Grrr
Congrats on the boy merry!! What fab news! 2 days was longer then I'd manage!
On the bump front mines only just poped out, I have bump envy of bigger ones as feel like I'm an imposter, still wearing alot of ordinary clothes with just abit more length or stretch in < awaits negative bitch vibes wink>
Dd finally stoped spotting, were on the scab stage so hopefully back to full health soon although she's managed to get conjunctivitis too at the minangry

Lib I love cats names but as we have three and dd is nn one don't think we can do it to a second without being the crazy cat people!!
Was tabitha one? Love that

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 09-Feb-13 20:57:03

Cats in our family have always had human names. So most girls names could quite easily be cat names.
I'm not jealous of your minimalist-bump look kitty my bump is very up-front, which makes a huge change from my previous "fat" pregnancies.

Maybe yours is one I've coverted then frus as I wander around staring at other women's tummy a lol

Latest accusation: I'm mean to sick people. hmm

Yeah, this bump is just different from my other two pregnancies. I feel like I'm getting so wide whereas the boys just made me look like a basketball was under my shirt. What they say about carrying girls and boys differently must ring true.

Jojobump1986 Sun 10-Feb-13 02:29:21

I want a basketball bump! I have a theory that my bump is actually the same volume as my friend's but hers looks like a boiled egg, mine's more fried! It's pretty flat across the front & sticks out nearly as much at the sides as it does in the middle! sad I look more fat than pregnant!

I'm mean to sick people grin
DH & I are the complete opposite to most couples. I regularly seem to get any virus that's going around & it always wipes me out so all I can do is spend several days in bed! DH insists on bringing me food & drinks constantly even when I'm being sick & clearly not up to eating proper meals! On the very rare occasion that he gets ill I mostly leave him to it, provided that he has fluids & will ask for food if he needs it. My philosophy is that the best thing I can do is rest & let my body recover, DH seems to think the best thing to do is to carry on & pretend not to be ill! hmm On more than one occasion I've had to insist he stays home from work when he has a fever & once or twice when he's had d&v! His response was, "It's ok, I'll look after myself. I'll even take the bus instead of cycling so I can rest!" ... because clearly everyone wants to be trapped in a warm, moist environment with someone coughing & shivering while trying not to vomit... Good plan! hmm Thankfully he only gets ill once a year, if that. I'm more like an average of once a month! I'd give anything to have his immune system!

OhThePlacesYoullGo Sun 10-Feb-13 19:34:27

I definitely have the whole basketball under shirt thing going on; looking absolutely huge now, but so far (hurrah) don't seem to have gained much weight anywhere else. Let's hope it stays like that.

Librarina Mon 11-Feb-13 11:20:37

My bump is like a low-slung boiled egg. But it has shrunk over the weekend I'm sure of it. I think it's spread to my arse I the only thing I did for two days was lie on the sofa reading and eating those red lindor chocolate balls.

KittyKats Tabitha is indeed one of our girl names.

All of our pets are named after other animals which they resemble in some way (so a Black & White cat who's a bit of a loner is called Panda, an overweight goldfish is called Moby)

DH is suffering with a cold too. He couldn't come to bed until I'd made him a lemon & honey drink with a little whisky in it... poor lamb! I think it is very cruel to make me open the whisky when I can't have any. He's also of the 'Carry on' school of illness, until it gets to a certain point then he just collapses in a snotty puddle. I take myself straight to bed and am certain that I get better more quickly because of it.

Lol at libs tummy sinking to ass grin
I do love those lindor chocolates and have to say abit partial to galaxy at the min.....

Wow do I feel like a grouchy and moody pregnant woman today. sad

OhThePlacesYoullGo Mon 11-Feb-13 22:49:39

Lib I think Lindor chocolate is worth having belly spread to backside. :D

Anybody else regret signing up to this website? Have to write a major assignment and keep getting sidetracked by reading all kinds of rubbish on here instead of getting on with my work.

Jojobump1986 Tue 12-Feb-13 01:04:58

kitty I feel sick & it's entirely my own your fault. You mentioned galaxy right before DH went shopping & I started craving it so I asked him to get me a little bar. He got me a bigger one because he hates me & wants me to get fat loves me. I've eaten too much because he just put it next to me while I was busy MNing doing important things & now I feel sick & fidgety from all the sugar. I hold you personally responsible! wink

Places I think I probably spent more time on MN than interacting with DS today! blush He has slept more than usual though & some of the time I was MNing he was just happily pottering around the living room by himself, it's not like I was willfully ignoring him all day!
I did have to excuse myself from the room at dinnertime though to look at MN just to calm myself down. Sometimes DS makes this awful grizzly mono-toned hum while eating. I think it's an expression of enjoyment but today it was just so loud & constant & made me so irrationally angry that I had to leave the room or I'd have shouted at him!
Bring you're definitely not the only grouchy/moody pregnant lady! Has anything in particular got you upset or is it just hormones? Hope you're ok!

Did it taste good though Jojo? wink
Definatly bit the only irrational angry prego women, me and dh had an arguement yesterday about a piece of chicken?!?
Feel free for any ranting
Had a very strange dream last night that we went for a 4d scan and the sonographer told us that the baby had a soft tissue marker that it was black!!! I'm not against this per say except that me and dh arnt lol shock

Librarina Tue 12-Feb-13 10:38:59

I had a weird dream last night too Kitty. My friend had a wedding and invited everyone we know, except me because I had a baby.
So I went (on my motorbike, with the baby) and spent the whole wedding hiding from the bride & groom and talking to my other friends. When I came out to go home, my motorbike had been torched and I couldn't get home and the groom came out and shouted at me.

So I woke up DH and demanded that he cuddle me until I felt better. I fell asleep in about 30 seconds and apparently he was lying there for the next half an hour worrying.

BTW, I don't have a motorbike and would never take a baby on one wink

Lorelei353 Tue 12-Feb-13 10:49:13

That's quite a dream Librarina!

I was definitely grouchy, cranky, irritable, pregnant lady last night. No idea why really, although I was tired from a rubbish night's sleep the night before. Had a good sleep last night so feel a bit brighter today. Plus we're off to a taping of Beat The Pack tonight - new BBC show hosted by Jake Humphreys. Should be a bit of a laugh!

Yeah, I'm alright. I think I fell into a bit of a slump with the kids being home an extra day, them being sick and extremely needy, and then getting absolutely NO help from DH over the weekend due to his own neediness and wanting to chat about his stomach ailments. I was having a "poor-me" day and was just so fed up with taking care of everyone, cleaning up after everyone, and just doing it on my own. I have a new respect for single parents! DH made the mistake of coming home from work (1 in the afternoon, our time) to watch the Liverpool game and then said before he left to go back to work "Don't worry about dinner". So I was so relieved and took it as him stepping up and planning something for dinner. What he really meant was "Don't worry about making me dinner, but you still have to figure out something for the picky, grouchy, starving children who you waited until 6:30 to feed because you misinterpreted what I said" I was NOT a very nice pregnant lady last night. I felt so left down! And he said that I was the one "not communicating" hmm

OhThePlacesYoullGo Tue 12-Feb-13 14:11:44

Haha loving the dreams. :D

What do you guys think: Elysia or Cecilia. Middle name will be Violet (after partner's GM) and it's L.-G. for (quite long, double barrelled) surname. We are discussing names again and can't decide (even though ultimately I am refusing to completely decide until we meet her).

Librarina Tue 12-Feb-13 14:35:59

I love Cecilia Violet.

I struggle with the spelling of Elysia, I'm not immediately sure of how it should be pronouced, but I'm sure if I heard it right I'd like it.

I'm still wondering whether to give the baby the double barrelled version of our name or simplify things and give it my surname as a middle, and DH's as a surname on its own.

(My surname is cool. Think a British spy. Think THE British spy!)

OhThePlacesYoullGo Tue 12-Feb-13 14:42:00

Ooooh that is a fab surname!! Love the idea of it as a middle name actually. Do your names work well together?

Elysia is derived from Elysium, we'd pronounce it like the second version.

I really love the name Cecilia. It was a name I liked and DH didn't. smile

I really like that name Lib! Awesome, it's gotta be incorporated in your baby's name somehow.

Well, off to the midwives. One of my favorite things about being pregnant, getting to hang out with two amazing and beautifully-spirited women for an hour! Then pizza with DH at my fav pizza place. I'm excited!

Oh bring, glad to see you have more of a cheer today and that pizza is on the menu! wink Typical male meaning just don't worry about me!!
I had mw app today aswell just to get form really but she did the usual checks, nothing exciting to report!
Tried to give dd a treat tonight with pancakes ( sugar and syrup) she acted like she was being poisoned and threw them on the floor!! Yet give her a bowl of carrots and she woofs them down! fenikity buggar
I like the name choices oh the places, not the usual although cecilia even more uncommon, I love violet too, I quite like indigo but worry its not a name iyswim! Suggested indianna to dh but its a boys name apparently??
Great surname lib! I'd have kept it if I'd have got married and made dh take it! I couldn't wait to get rid of mine ( think ken and the diddy men!! Oh the funny are you related comments ha ha ha)

So, I'm apparently measuring a full 3 weeks ahead of schedule hmm and babe is laying completely across my bump instead of up and down. Otherwise apt was wonderful, as always, and pizza was DELISH!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 13-Feb-13 17:20:17

Hello ladies. Pizza sounds yummy.
My stress levels are through the roof, and I really want a glass of wine. <sulks> so I have virtual wine for us all to pretend to drink.

<Cheers!!> I'll join you for a glass. Woooo!

My stress levels arnt through the roof but god I fancy a drink, really wanted one this last week, maybe a little treat for valentines tomorrow?
In the meantime wineto you

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 13-Feb-13 19:37:59

Do you reckon if I phone the people who are raising my angry stress levels every single day they'll get sick of me and provide what I demand? [Hmm] How long do you reckon it will take?
wine wine wine <and breathe>

Ha ha it'd work on me I would t want to face an angry pregnant woman daily wink

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 13-Feb-13 20:57:10

hmm 100g galaxy chocolate = seriously booting baby. Who'd have thought it.

Have I started a galaxy chocolate epedemic?! Lol

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 13-Feb-13 21:12:20

Nah, I have a daily chocolate epidemic all of my own kitty but cadburys doesn't have the same effect on bumpy, he's still going now.

Jojobump1986 Wed 13-Feb-13 23:53:51

I found galaxy to be particularly bump-wriggling-inducing too. It took me ages to get to sleep due to all the kicking. I have at least one creme egg a day & that doesn't seem to cause any jiggling! confused

Alcohol has a funny effect on me so I v rarely drink but I'll join in the virtual wine sharing peer pressure! Hope you're ok Frus. Keep pestering until you get your way. Everyone can be worn down eventually! wink

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Thu 14-Feb-13 07:27:45

Creme eggs do nothing do they jojo good to hear someone say that everyone can be worn down eventually, lets hope it's them before me, because my reserves are low.

Mmm, creme eggs.....<drool>

Dh was talking to the bump this morning and asked baby if it was kicking-it kicked him right in the spot his cheek was laying. Very entertaining smile

Ok admission... Please don't throw me off the bus but I don't like cadburys creme eggs < hides under pillow for safety> I don't think I know anyone else
But I do love the Malteser bunnys!

All sweets-loving May and June preganistas are welcome. No worries, Kitty Dh doesn't like them either. smile

Yoga this morning was spectacular-first time trying out a new studio, definitely making this a regular thing for the rest of the pregnancy. Then I went and ruined all the hard work eating a piece of pie <meep>

grin Isn't meep the cutest word!

Lorelei353 Thu 14-Feb-13 18:51:04

I LOVE Cadburys Creme Eggs. That is all. grin

Jojobump1986 Thu 14-Feb-13 19:35:06

Yay! Creme egg love! grin
<hands out eggs to most of the bus>
<eyes kitty suspiciously hmm>

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Thu 14-Feb-13 19:57:28

I usually like them, but I am finding them quite sickly sweat at the moment. which isn't usually a problem

< hides from Jojo> meep!
Omg I have the wriggley baby ever!! She's not stoped all day or yesterday, this way and that kicks moves goodness knows what she's doing!
I thought this was going to be my sedate calm baby shock

Hahah, so glad I'm not the only one with a hyperactive fetus, Kitty. This kid has been going CrAZy. My belly has been jiggling and bumping around all day. Her favorite place to kick is directly down on my cervix=not fun.

Jojobump1986 Thu 14-Feb-13 23:49:23

Mine was doing that yesterday during dinner. I don't mind normal kicks but when he kicks straight down like that it's really weird! Made me jump every time!

Yes I normally love that baby moving feeling but sometimes yesterday it felt like my insides were being scratched iykwim and getting belted in the bladder or down below, really strange feelings that I definatly didn't get last time

Librarina Fri 15-Feb-13 08:23:56

Is it too early in the morning for a Creme Egg for me? Am I too late, have I missed the Creme Egg Fun?
I like to keep them in the fridge, in the egg tray, then eat them with a cup of tea.

My bump still wriggles and kicks me, but I'm starting to like the feeling s little more now, it's not quite as violent as it was and kicks are less into my bladder and more in my belly which is better.

I worked out yesterday, I have 12 weeks of work left. Scary!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Fri 15-Feb-13 09:20:13

Ooh bring I hate that feeling.

Lorelei353 Fri 15-Feb-13 12:26:46

Mine's an active little thing too. Some really low and quite hard kicks too. Sometimes is just hanging out on my bladder too.

I can eat Creme Eggs with impunity again now - I got my fasting glucose test result back this morning and it's all clear. Happy days. It wasn't a full diagnostic test so I'll still do the normal Lucozade one at 28 weeks but it does appear that the recent sugar in my urine was just an abnormal little spike.

That's great news lor, practically an invite for all things sweet to make the most of it
Lib, here's your egg buddy!!

Jojobump1986 Fri 15-Feb-13 15:06:41

It's never too early for a creme egg. DH has started bringing me one to have before I even get out of bed! blush

Good news Lor! Enjoy eating sugar again! wink

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Fri 15-Feb-13 17:25:50

Good news lorelei

Woo got to love watching 'baby first' keeps dd amuse for hours.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Fri 15-Feb-13 22:45:13

Eeww I feel dodgy. Bumpy is kicking or punching something probably the placenta, or maybe my intestines too right behind my belly button. It's making me feel very nauseous. envy and I haven't even had galaxy or creme eggs. Maybe the Gaviscon will help.

Librarina Sat 16-Feb-13 08:15:53

Hi Frus. Gaviscon, whilst being vile stuff, really does fix everything. I've just switched allegiances as my preferred Rennie Chewable really weren't cutting it.
I have the Dual Action in a pink bottle as I couldn't face the aniseed flavour!

Maybe some chocolate might help too... I'm a big fan of chocolate for breakfast.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 16-Feb-13 08:19:41

Rennie wasn't cutting it for me either. I do have the rank aniseed one, but I detest mint flavour even more.
Chocolate for breakfast sounds appealing.

Jojobump1986 Sat 16-Feb-13 13:28:53

I like aniseed. Never tried gaviscon though!

I'm in need of a moan. I went to bed early last night because I had a headache. DS wasn't asleep & started shouting loudly. I spent a long time shushing him & eventually he stopped long enough for me to get to sleep. He let me sleep for 20 minutes before the shouting resumed. I asked DH to stop washing up for 2 minutes & come help because I could barely lift my head up. It turns out DH had finished the washing up & was watching tv. It was half past midnight by this point & he had no logical explanation as to why he hadn't come to bed. He grudgingly agreed to take DS away & try to calm him down. They were back 30 mins later, just as I was falling asleep again, & the shouting resumed. DH got into bed & went straight to sleep leaving me up for the next hour shushing & playing soothing music on my phone. DS fell asleep just after 2 but I was awake until 5! When DH woke up he suggested we should all get up. "5 o'clock" was all he needed to hear from me to back off but I assumed he'd get on with the day as planned. No such luck. He got DS up & has now taken him shopping - we were supposed to go shopping at 10, have an early lunch & go for a nice family walk before DS's naptime. There won't be time for a walk now. This is the third weekend running where we've planned to go for a walk & every week DH oversleeps or doesn't get to bed early enough or lets me oversleep while he has fun with DS. I'm just so disappointed to be missing out on our designated 'family time'. We never get out & do something fun as a family! sad

Ok, rant over! blush

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 16-Feb-13 14:14:17

Gaviscon is rank jojo and I like aniseed. hugs for tired jojo sad

God Jojo I don't know where you found the mental strength!
Was that a particulaly bad night for ds? I'd he abit under the weather?
Id have to say dh would have been best to leave a wide birth with be the next day!

God Jojo I don't know where you found the mental strength!
Was that a particulaly bad night for ds? I'd he abit under the weather?
Id have to say dh would have been best to leave a wide birth with be the next day!

Jojobump1986 Sat 16-Feb-13 23:53:17

He let me rant, apologised repeatedly & then we did get out for a little walk! It did mean that DS's nap was a bit late & shorter than usual but we were hoping he'd settle easier tonight due to being tired. He's still awake but does gradually seem to be calming! I don't quite know what's going on with his sleep at the moment. He might be teething I suppose but Calprofen had no effect on him last night & usually it would if it was a teething thing. He's normally brilliant. As a general rule he takes a little while to settle but will sleep soundly from 10.30 until we wake him in the morning, or until 9ish if we don't disturb him. He's been a good sleeper since about 5 weeks! Can't complain really, we've had it easy up to now!
I'm trying not to get too bothered by it. We've got lots of good things happening too - DS has learnt to put his spoon in his mouth without throwing food everywhere & today he discovered that he can hold an open top cup & drink from it. He seemed to think it was hysterical! He must've drunk twice as much as usual just because of the novelty! grin

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sun 17-Feb-13 19:52:45

Hehe I just videoed bumpy kicking. will keep me amused for ages to come

Jojobump1986 Sun 17-Feb-13 22:01:34

I wondered about doing that but then I got scared that someone else would see it & I'm a bit self concious about my hairy big belly! blush

Good news - DS is in bed & silent & has been for at least 30 mins & it's not 2am! grin We'll probably wake him up when we go to bed & be up even later. Bad, stompy DH!

Urgh, it's really hard when the little ones don't want to cooperate and then DH doesn't want to cooperate....you feel like the only adult in the house! Glad things were patched up for you Jo.

Haha frus! I just love this part of pregnancy with wiggly babies moving around and getting to see it.

Anyone else starting to get really uncomfortable at night, my hips are starting to feel the pressure and still 14wks to go sad

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 18-Feb-13 09:10:06

I hope your ds stayed asleep jojo unfortunately my dd didnt.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 18-Feb-13 09:23:24

Ah jojo I had a vest on, so no hairy belly on show. and zoomed in on bumping area, so limited damage control wink
It is so amazing bring I had to video to prove I wasn't imagining it I love when you can finally see the kicks and movements

Yeah kitty I wake up more sore and achy than I end the day.

I have a very clingy dd today. But on the plus side she is talking more.

Lorelei353 Mon 18-Feb-13 09:46:00

Kitty My hips have been feeling it for a few weeks now. Yoga's definitely helping, as is making sure I don't sit on my ass all day (went out for a stroll after dinner yesterday). Usually alright once I've walked it out a bit on the way to work.

peardrop2 Mon 18-Feb-13 09:55:59

I'm not very comfortable at night either hmm Baby pear does not like me being on my left or right side as it feels like gravity is squashing him down between my hip and the mattress and then he does this weird twist motion that is not pleasant shock Anyone else getting early wake up calls with kicks? It was 5am for me but now it's moved to 4am shockshock

Librarina Mon 18-Feb-13 12:22:43

Yup Peardrop I'm getting the 3am kicks. I wake up very hot with bump dancing away. Baby appears to have discovered my cervix this week as a fun place to do kicking, honestly it takes my breath away!

Apart from that, I sleep pretty well. I do yoga 3 times a week (one class and two DVDs) and I think that helps with hips and comfortableness. I've also started listening to a pregnancy relaxation CD at bedtime which is blissful.

Going to video my belly tonight too - hadn't occured to me and I think it will be fun. I'm going to miss my bump so much which it's gone.

Jojobump1986 Mon 18-Feb-13 14:06:08

pear do you put a pillow under your bump at night? I'm really uncomfortable unless I have a pillow between my legs & one for the bump to rest on! I've got a nasty twinge right at the base of my spine at the moment so I had to sleep on my back last night with my bump pillow underneath me. sad

DS did disturb a little when we went to bed but he settled again really quickly. We sat down yesterday & carefully planned out a strict schedule for each of us throughout the day to make sure DS has a good routine & to help DH learn to stop dithering! It feels a little overly strict at the moment but I guess when we get into good habits like DH coming home on time we can relax it a little! Tbh I feel a bit pathetic needing a written out timetable but if it helps DS get to bed/sleep at a regular time then it'll all be worth it! smile

Sorry to hear everyone else is achy too - long hot baths all round! wink

peardrop2 Mon 18-Feb-13 14:24:33

JoJo I've tried a pillow but it feels like extra pressure. The dream genie works better but I can't use it all night as I get fed up with it so its on the floor by 3am. I don't think it helps that I'm carrying so neat and low. I think that's my problem. Well done for getting a timetable sorted. I'm sure not that I know it will help you long term! Timetables always get me on track for other things.

Yep, it's starting here too. The whole heave and shift and move over maneuver at night. I'm trying to just remind myself that it's only going to get worse, so appreciate the sleep I'm getting right now compared to what I'll be getting in about a month.... it's hard sometimes. Very much looking forward to yoga tomorrow and a blissful visit to the chiropractor next week!

peardrop2 Mon 18-Feb-13 16:49:43

bring - you know when you said the midwife measured you two weeks ahead uterus size?...does that mean your baby might come early or it's a big baby or neither? Just wondering because my midwife told me the same thing at 25weeks.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 18-Feb-13 17:06:03

I moved house mid pregnancy last time. New midwives said I was measuring small, so sent for an extra scan, which showed I was the dates 1st given to me, and carrying extra fluid. Doesn't extra fluid carry the risk or delivering early? <completely unhelpful>

It's probably neither, pear. I think it was because of the baby's position during the visit-she was so totally crammed up under my ribs and was basically laying side-to-side instead of up and down. Sometimes women and babies will also have growth spurts so you'll measure ahead at one visit and then measure right on at the next. A variation of up to +/- 3cm is considered normal.

Extra fluid could increase the risk of going early, especially if there is a lot of it. There are usually other factors that cause the fluid build-up that would also lead to an early labor. That's really interesting they thought you were measuring small and you had extra fluid as well. Maybe you were just having a very well-hydrated day?

peardrop2 Mon 18-Feb-13 20:21:01

bring - what you say about growth spurts makes a lot of sense to me as I had a definite growth spurt that week and finally looked pregnant. Thank you!

Pear I measured 2wks behind last time the whole way through and dd was 3wks early aswell but still weighed 6.10 so don't think fundal measurement will have any relation, think I'm going to be the same measurement wise this time but mw didn't measure me at my 25wk app hmm I like that makes me feel more pregnant lol
I tried the pillow last time but like pear it ends up annoying me and on the floor, my hips don't seem to like alot of exercise or lack, I'm getting sciatic pain at work from sitting at my desk alot but really strange pains in my groin when I went to Liverpool the other day and walked about 5 miles plus. Really felt that!!
My bump never plays ball when I want to film sad
Oh and was naughty again yesterday, at a spar hotel for dsis bday, had 5 mins in jacuzzi to warm up after pool ( got told off by my mum though lol)

peardrop2 Tue 19-Feb-13 08:55:10

That's interesting kitty. Was it a surprise to you to be so early or did you feel ready at the time? I'm someone who likes to plan ahead so I'm trying to keep very open minded and have told myself that baby will arrive sometime in May we just don't know when, could be the start, middle or end! My last breastfeeding class is on 8th May so hopefully I'll be feeling ready and relaxed...and maybe a little uncomfortable by then!

Lorelei353 Tue 19-Feb-13 09:47:33

3 weeks is a bit scary kitty. I wasn't planning on finishing work until 3 weeks before my due date. I keep wavering between 3 and 4 weeks before. On the one hand I'm sure I'll be really uncomfortable and ready to stop work 4 weeks before, but on the other hand what'll I do with myself all day if I stop then and baby arrives around due date or even late! I also don't want to waste my maternity leave hanging around.

peardrop2 Tue 19-Feb-13 10:05:08

Lor - don't you have annual leave to use up? My workplace HR have told me I have to use my annual leave before I go on maternity which is why I'm leaving earlier then I planned.

Lorelei353 Tue 19-Feb-13 12:10:18

I don't have much. My holiday calendar starts in April so it's only 3 1/2 days accrued by May I think, and some of that I was taking around the bank holiday weekend.

peardrop2 Tue 19-Feb-13 13:28:38

Oh Lor that's annoying but good that you will get to take annual leave at the end of your maternity. Probably the best way round! My holiday is Jan to Jan hence why I have to take it off at the start...my boss is seriously annoyed about that!

Does anyone know anything about grow bags? Does a newborn really need one or can I make do with thin blankets for layering?

Lorelei353 Tue 19-Feb-13 16:30:00

Actually, after you said that pear I realised that I haven't taken my full allocation for this year so will also be carrying over a few days. May be able to finish 4 weeks before but start maternity leave 3 weeks before. Or just work short weeks for the last few weeks! Not as bad as I thought.

I have no experience of grow bags but my sister swears by them. She had one on her little one. Don't know why you couldn't just use blankets though.

It was a shock pear, no warning, I'd been glossing doors the day before and had been to the pub that night with a friend, never had bh or any sign and just woke up thinking have I just wet myself lol ( it was waters) then starting contractions within that hour!! I had leave to use that time so had finished at just over 35 think I had 9 days or a few less before dd arrived! I had loads to do aswell so was abit gutted really, planned to do deep clean of the house and all paint jobs I didn't get round to so if you are planning to finish early there's lots you can do that you wouldn't get chance to again ( it took me 2 days to clean kitchen/ utility - think all plates etc washing all cupboards sorting even the tops lol), I ended up loosing a weeks leave as you have to start sml when baby is born so a whole weeks leave gone- gutting confused
I did think I may be early rather then late though as mum and sis both had obstetric coliostatus and it tends to run in family's and you get induced if you have it or in my mums case we all came at 37wks naturally

I'm still in the sane dilemma now as to when to finish as is like a few weeks with dd but does that mean finishing a few wks before 37 or will I go later/ over thus time...... Hmmm

Oh I love gro bags, we used sheets and a blanket at first but they are a pain and just got kicked off, I used gro bags at about 4 wks plus and have never looked back, just bought dd her first douvet this weekend at 18months though sad my little girl is growing up

Jojobump1986 Tue 19-Feb-13 17:46:20

We used swaddle wraps until DS started wanting to suck his thumb at night. They just frustrated him after that. We've used a sleeping bag for him ever since then. I hadn't planned on using them at all but a friend gave us one & it's definitely better than sheets. From about 7 months he was wriggling too much to keep anything over him!

Gro bags really aren't very popular in the States so we just used swaddles until DS1 was about 6 months old and then just dressed him up in warm pj's for the night. He was (and still is) SUCH a warm and sweaty sleeper so he's always kicking his blankets off by morning.

Oh dear. I've just discovered a new stretch mark on my belly. I had none with the first boy, two small ones near my belly button at the very end of pregnancy with #2 and now I've already gotten a new one! <le giant sigh> Here we go....

peardrop2 Wed 20-Feb-13 16:01:17

Thanks bring. If it helps my DH pointed out new back fat before bed last night and then said I made as much noise as a Walrus in the night this morning! Rude man shock I think he thinks I'm lying when I say I pregnancy brings a blocked nose!!

peardrop2 Wed 20-Feb-13 16:02:35

Thanks kitty & Jojo. I may wait and see how it goes. I guess it really depends what the weather is like this summer!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 20-Feb-13 18:14:08

I love grobags, dds always kicked blankets off despite being firmly tucked in and the grobags were so useful. I had some that had small neck holes couldnt wriggle down into them so dd2 went in them from newborn. I've been given a swaddle wrap this time, so will be interesting to see the difference.

Lorelei353 Thu 21-Feb-13 08:16:27

I am so unimpressed. I've always had kind of creaky knees prone to pain when strained. Yoga helps generally. I went to yoga last night amd we were doing squats and I could feel the strain so stopped doing them. Anyway getting off tube on the way home whatever way I stood up and turned I felt a pain and thought 'that's not good'. kept going but on walk back to my flat it just went. sharp pain under my kneecap and couldn't put weight on it at all. Thankfully dh was with me and got me home. Feels slightly better today with a support on it but can't go to work. Please tell me it'll get better! sad

Oh no, Lor! Ouch!! I've had had knee surgery, and there is just something SO painful about the knees not working properly sad. Have you been able to put it up and ice it at all since last night? Are you able to take it easy today and just stay off of it?

I HOPE it gets better for you! You just never know with pregnancy....relaxin makes all of our joints loosey-goosey and they just don't feel the same until after the birth.

Squatting can be really hard on the knees (so it's a bummer that they are so good for pregnancy!). If they start feeling better in the future and you want to try squatting again, rolling up a towel and placing it between your thighs and calves can help to take the strain off of the knees.

Librarina Thu 21-Feb-13 16:08:31

Oooh, sympathy to Lor for sore knees. I had to have truly hideous physio for a running injury in one of mine... I'm sure childbirth will be less painful than having my thigh muscle 'stripped'.

I had my 25 week MW appt earlier. Couldn't find a heartbeat initially but said she knew everything was fine as the baby was kicking her in the head. I told her she should try where the baby was kicking me, see how she liked it. Anyway, I'm measuring right for dates, BP is good and a 'nice, active baby' so all well there.

I would like a grobag for baby, apparently they have them in TK Maxx so I'm going to look there. The crib arrived this week, borrowed from a friend... it looks ENORMOUS, no way am I ever going to have a baby big enough to fit in there!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Fri 22-Feb-13 07:46:52

Morning all. It is freezing! Brrrr [blue frozen emoticon]
I hope your knee is feeling better today lorelei

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Fri 22-Feb-13 11:18:17

Eek, just realised I have to give notice to work of when I'll be taking stat maternity pay + leave. And thoroughly confused myself over the 15wks notice thing. Although technically already given them dates verbally and my matb1 form they didnt ask for anything it in writing, so presumably I've already given them notice?

That's why I had to get a mw app for my mat1b frus because it said 15wks notice, I've totally panicked and just put 37wks but can finish before then with leave if I want, luckily this time it falls so I can take it at the end aswell as last time I had to use it all before I went off! I'm sure verbally is fine but maybe ask if they need it in writing aswell? Mine was in a form where you had to indicate when you intended to go and start sml etc

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Fri 22-Feb-13 17:34:42

I don't have 15weeks. Eek.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Fri 22-Feb-13 17:36:16

They've had my matb1. I seem to have made the silly mistake of presuming that they would ask for what they needed.

Jojobump1986 Fri 22-Feb-13 18:01:13

It probably happens all the time Frus. Why they genuinely need nearly 4 months to sort it out is beyond me! What are they going to do? Make you come in with the baby in tow? wink

I feel dreadful. Have been sneezing for a few days & last night I felt a bit sick before going to bed. This morning I was still not feeling right but was ok after a nap & then suddenly, after feeling fine for a couple of hours, I had a bit of diarrhoea! confused My nose is stuffy but not really blocked, more of a general swollen feeling & every time I try to blow it to relieve the feeling I get a tiny bit of snot which is more dried blood than anything else! I'm beginning to wonder if I should arrange to pop to the mw just to get my blood pressure checked. A bloody nose, even just a bit, is not normal for me! I'm just feeling v sorry for myself today! sad

sad Sorry, jo that doesn't sound fun at all.

I think we're all going through a rough patch right now. DH and I are both sick with colds and are snapping at each other all the time. Ugh.

Jojobump1986 Fri 22-Feb-13 22:20:51

Well, that explains a lot.... Sudden explosive diarrhoea of the blood pressure dropping, nearly passing out variety! I had an evening like that when pregnant with DS1. No apparent reason & was fine the next day! It's weird, I've hardly eaten all day due to feeling dodgy & then that happens! Don't remember it burning quite like this last time though! It hurts so much! sad Am already feeling a bit more like myself again though!

Librarina Mon 25-Feb-13 10:08:39

Glad you're feeling better Jojo. I had a similar diarrhoea episode too a few days ago, I think it was a side effect of not having properly been for a few days, very uncomfortable at the time, but felt loads better when it was done.

Well, I've been waking up, wide awake, at 3am every night for the last 4 nights and I BORED of it now! The first couple of nights I got up and pottered around but last night I lay there and cried until DH woke up with a start thinking something was really wrong, well in my opinion there was! Lack of sleep isn't being helped by a chesty cough - does anyone know if Benelyn is ok to take in pregnancy, the label says ask your Dr or Pharmacist but I prefer to ask strangers on the internet wink

peardrop2 Mon 25-Feb-13 14:15:35

Lib - when I had a chesty cough at Xmas I was told by the doctor that I couldn't taken anything other then glycerin syrup which was useless (to me anyway). You can use Vicks vapour rub (small amounts) in a bowl with hot water just before bed. It did help my cough a lot and sleep!! Hot Ribena was also useful to keep up strength. Hope you feel better soon!

Agreed with Pear on the medications. Try to stick to natural methods of herbal teas, hot steamy showers, and chest rubs over taking anything. If nothing else is working, then maybe consider talking with a pharmacist about what would be okay to take in pregnancy.

Also, night waking is really common in pregnancy. Our babies are growing at full-speed ahead and they are in need of constant glucose from us. Sometimes having a protein snack next to your bed- nuts, peanut butter sandwich, granola bar, etc and having a few bites can help you get back to sleep. A lot of times we are waking up to due to low blood sugar, even though we're not actually feeling hungry. Plus we're on the other side of the hill and we're gearing up to be mums waking in the night with littles ones (which doesn't make not getting sleep now anymore fun....)

Anyone else feeling baby hiccups? This little lady seems to have them allllll the time.

I found lying more upright at night helped the cold lib!
Don't think this ones really suffering with hiccups yet bring but dd had them all the time, I have read links to that and colic- not sure if its true but my dd did suffer terribly with it?!?

Hmm, I'd have to see the studies on that correlation. Hiccups are just a sign that the baby's diaphragm is practicing the breathing movements. Both of my boys had the hiccups and never showed signs of colic.

peardrop2 Mon 25-Feb-13 20:07:06

Bring - I've felt baby pear have hiccups a few times now. Also feeling him repeatedly kick me in the ribs these last few days...could do without that one! Typical boy grin

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Mon 25-Feb-13 20:25:49

That's interesting kitty my dd1 had hiccups all the time, and was very trapped-windy/colicy
Not sure if this one has hiccups yet, doesn't really seem to stop moving, he is one seriously active bumpy, I don't remember dd1 being this active. dd2 rarely moved

peardrop2 Tue 26-Feb-13 03:24:47

So who else has reached the 3rd trimester? I feel like I've received a badge this week saying 'Welcome to sleepless nights...many more to come!' My sleeping pattern is a nightmare at the moment and is clearly starting to effect my work as it is making me oh so tired hmm Roll on maternity leave!

How's everyone else doing? I loose track of where everyone is.

Librarina Tue 26-Feb-13 07:55:21

Thanks for the advice, i also asked some chemist friends who said that benelyn was probably fine, its just not been tested as a whole product for use in pregnancy but I didn't find it that effective at soothing the cough anyway so wasn't worth it, sticking with Vicks in a hot bath and Virgin Toddys today. DH has made me promise if the cough doesn't get better ill go to the GP.

I tried the snack by the bed trick last night, something I haven't needed since the early weeks of pregnancy, and it worked! I had a yoghurt just as I went up to bed and a banana at 3am and slept through.

We also have a lot of hiccups, funny jerky wriggles in my bump, I find it endlessly fascinating, to the point that I want to grab who ever is standing near the Library counter and out their hand on my bump. I don't, that'd be weird.

BTW, when does Tri3 start then?

Is the third tri 27wks or 28? I'm 27tomorrow?!?
Bring its not having the hiccups occasionally its only if its very frequent, dd1 had them everyday! I'd definatly like to skip a colicy baby this time I can still remember one night taking 8 hrs to get her to sleep and just crying on the phone to dh at 3 in the morning as he was at work sad
This baby is definatly a wriggler aswell, I'm the same lib, I'd have everyone with their hands in my tummy except they'd think me strange!

peardrop2 Tue 26-Feb-13 08:38:57

Third trimester starts at 28 weeks.

Jojobump1986 Tue 26-Feb-13 10:29:45

26 weeks today. It's taking forever! Just want him out so we can all get on with family life!

Am v envy today. SIL's waters broke on Sunday & they've gone in to be induced this morning. She's 5 days overdue now so I suppose it's allowed, I just want it to be my turn already! wink <Impatient>

Yeah, DS1 had them everyday as well... I'll have to do some study-searching and see what I can come up with! I really hope you don't have to experience another colicky baby too! Just think of all of the tricks you have up your sleeve now as an experienced mother though...

Awesome news that the snacks worked (and that you got to sleep), Lib! I'll have to start following my own advice again. I woke up several times last night angry Frustrating.

Ugh. I'm only 25 weeks! You ladies are all ahead of me. Now that the 3rd tri is creeping up, I'm starting to feel this rush to get all this stuff done. Still painting to do around the house, have to start collecting my birth supplies and start getting ready for the birth, go baby-stuff shopping....It's exciting but stressful at the same time!

Feeling very sorry for myself today sad had a shit nights sleep and was tossing half the night with sore hips, I've convinced myself this is going to develop into spd and ill be signed off work early or end up on crutches no basis for this at all bar insanity but think the fear of worst cases, someone snap me out of my self pitying mood!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Wed 27-Feb-13 08:20:34

Morning kitty sorry you've had a bad night. I'll share my wierd dreams with you to cheer you up, 1st one; may bath was in the kitchen, and I had a bath, and only on getting out of the bath did I realise I had my bra on. 2nd dream bumpy was kicking, and I could see toes and everything. Was very wierd.

Very strange frus?! Wonder what the bra in the bath thing was? A water birth preminition perhaps wink
I've just looked on my pregnancy tracker and it says I'm in the third tri at 27wks? If you work it out in 3s then it would be just over 26wks wouldn't it, is there no definate answer for when the third tri is surposed to start? Bring when would you say it is?

Lorelei353 Wed 27-Feb-13 09:39:03

Morning all.
Sounds like a rough night kitty. If it helps I was having loads of hip pain at night and was getting worried about it but it seemed to be a phase that's mostly passed now. I'm sure it'll come back but it's eased off a lot.

I'm on 25 weeks too bring. Feels like things are racing along to me though! June suddenly isn't feeling that far away!

I don't know if I've felt hiccups or not but I definitely have quite an active little wriggler, which is fun.

So, fortunately my knee got a lot better. I stayed out of work on Thursday and Friday and just rested it a lot. When I walked in the house I used a crutch to take the weight off and it just seemed to ease off. I'm so relieved because my mum was over at the weekend and we wanted to do some shopping! Had a fab time. On Monday we were booked in for facials, scrubs, mani/pedis etc. in a spa followed by amazing afternoon tea. Such a wonderful pamper day. I think I need more of those in the coming months!

Good news about the knee lor, I was wondering how you were getting on with it. Thanks for the hope that my hips may just be a phase, I've never seen anyone with crutches so I think I've just read to many threads on mumsnet worrying me lol
I love shopping and pampering grin

Lorelei353 Wed 27-Feb-13 13:42:39

I know how you feel kitty. I had slight pubic pain a few weeks ago and had to really stop myself from panicking that it was going to turn into SPD - it didn't.

I do find getting up and circling my hips helps a lot. Also, if they're sore in the evening, sitting on an exercise ball before bed helped too.

Supposedly the 3rd tri starts at 28 weeks.

So glad the knee is feeling better! That stuff can be mighty painful. And I agree with the pamper days.... they may be few and far between once your little one gets here. Soak up the loveliness of being a free woman smile

Sorry to hear about the sore hips, Kitty Is it just at night or are they starting to ache through the day as well? Have you tried doing some yoga stretches and taking a hot bath with epsom salts before bed to loosen up the tight muscles?

Jojobump1986 Wed 27-Feb-13 17:25:17

My SIL had a little girl in the early hours of this morning! smile DS waited until I was just getting things ready for the hour long drive over before revealing in the smelliest way possible that my dodgy stomach at the weekend wasn't just sensitivity to something I ate but an infectious bug of some kind. sad No lovely snuggly newborn cuddles for me for at least 48 hours! I could cry! I did consider heading over there anyway & leaving DS with my mum while we visited them but my DGM is staying with them because she's really frail & awaiting the results of a bladder lump biopsy... She really doesn't need to be exposed to bugs right now! <Sigh> If I was my foster sister it either wouldn't occur to me that there was anything wrong with going, or I would just assume it'd be fine. Sometimes I really hate being the sensible, responsible one! I want to meet my niece! sad

Ah Jojo that sucks but good for you for thinking if them, it's often tempting not to like when dd had the pox as she wasn't ill at all when the spots came out so it was hard being house bound when she was her usual self but I think I'd want the same consideration with a new born etc, they are so vulnerable
Bring, last time was the first night of hip pain although had siatic pain on and off for a few weeks, bad today but been ok for the last week

Can someone please send a note (because she surely isn't listening to me) to my fetus telling her to PLEASE STOP USING MY PELVIC ORGANS AS A TRAMPOLINE? The amount of jabs in the cervix I've received today has driven me to distraction and actual tears. I would liken it to someone repeatedly hitting you in the forehead with a football-annoying and painful after a while! URGH!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Thu 28-Feb-13 08:07:09

I've sent a note bring but mine isn't listening either.

Are they all in on it together?!?!

Lorelei353 Thu 28-Feb-13 10:04:31

Mine was definitely doing that last night too. It's SO uncomfortable and painful at times. Seems to love that position in the late evening/just as I'm going to bed.

Oh dear. They are just little June-due trouble makers aren't they?

Lorelei353 Thu 28-Feb-13 17:14:51

Gang of rapscallions bring

Librarina Fri 01-Mar-13 09:45:39

Fie! on maliciously trampolining babies (but Yay! really cos we'd be so much more worried if we couldn't feel them pogoing away)

I've started listening to a preganancy relaxation CD Here which seems quite annoying as I'm listening to it "Shine a warm light on your bay-beeee"... but has had the miraculous effect of sending me to deep sleep for an entire night, which I haven't had for weeks.

26 weeks PG today. I'm celebrating by taking bump to a Gig and having an enormous milkshake (I love bars that serve decent non-alcoholic drinks!)

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Fri 01-Mar-13 18:07:14

Mmm milkshake <drools>
27wks and my app said I'm now in the 3rd tri. Woo. 2 down 1 to go.

Mine said 3rd for 27wks aswell frus that's why I'd questioned it before, yeay for Fridays!!!
Oh and in other development news had my first leg night cramp last night, oh how I remember that unpleasant side effect, I know there's something you can eat or something to help but can't remember what lol

Librarina Fri 01-Mar-13 20:19:10

I think its a stiff G&T which is the cure for cramp!

Well if that's the advice wink

Calcium/magnesium smile Works wonders for leg cramps!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Fri 01-Mar-13 21:55:12

Perhaps we have the same app kitty?
g&t sounds more appealing that calcium/magnesium. Banana or gin? I don't actually like gin, (or bananas) would any alcohol work? I am so glad it's the weekend, only 10wks until I start mat leave, or 23 working days, which sounds much closer than it is, but much easier to count down
Anyone else getting nervous yet?

Lorelei353 Sat 02-Mar-13 00:17:45

quinine in the tonic is supposed to work - so more tonic, less gin! grin

I like libs suggestion more wink where do I get magnesium from? Like frus ( my obvious twin) I don't like bananas anything with them or smell
I had it last time aswell even though tried to uptake my calcium but I can feel it in leg now just waiting for me to stretch then bam
Frus I'm nervous but more because I had such a good experience of birth last time and pregnancy really never getting to a point where I hated it and never getting to the point where I worried about birth as she came before I expected, I'm worried this time it will be totally different and ill end up needing a cs or intervention, both things I really want to avoid! Oh and that ill go over aswell, I like my 37wk duration babies wink

Librarina Sat 02-Mar-13 09:16:27

Spinach, black beans and Halibut are all high in Magnesium. However they make a shit smoothie so I'm having frozen banana, red berries and ginger yoghurt in mine!

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Sat 02-Mar-13 10:02:04

hmm spinach, blackbean and halibut smoothie. <boak>

Never heard of ginger yoghurt lib

kitty I'm hoping I don't go over, had 42+1 and 39+1 previously, so somewhere in the middle would be good. But anywhere between 38 and 42 is term. Although I'll be happy to stay in May. Both of my labours were completely different, but relatively straight forward.
I'm more worried about the logistics of childcare when in labour and having a newborn again.

Jojobump1986 Sat 02-Mar-13 10:54:46

I loathe the smell of bananas. Obviously that was what DH was feeding DS when he was sick a few days ago! Banana flavoured vomit is not a nice smell. Poor DH - I stood in the opposite corner of the house asking if there was anything I could pass him while he cleaned everything up! blush

I wasn't feeling overly nervous until I heard about my SIL's experience. She went into labour on Sunday morning, waters broke in the evening & then nothing much seemed to happen. They ended up going in to be induced on Tuesday morning & nothing happened... so they put her on a drip... no change...! By this point she was 3cm dilated & not progressing so they ended up having to do a section. That's the thing that scares me more than anything else! My DM gave me the impression that SIL didn't really seem to have done much to prepare herself for labour & seemed to have an 'it'll be fine', flippant kind of attitude. I spent most of my last labour thinking through what my body was supposed to be doing & visualising it happening. I'm telling myself that our attitudes are what made the difference between our labours & therefore my labour will be fine, just like the last one. I know this isn't how it works really!

DS was absolutely fine for about 44 hours & we were all set to go visit my new niece today. 48 hours after his first 'episode' he had another explosive nappy! sad I very nearly burst into tears when I heard it happening! Looks like we'll have to wait until next weekend to go now. He's never really been ill before. Just colds etc. but we've never had proper vomit. It's just typical that it'd have to happen when we want to go visit a newborn & an ill, elderly person! It's DGM's 80th next Monday. I'll be leaving DS with DH & going by myself if he's not healthy next weekend! It's highly likely that this will be her last big birthday, probably her last birthday at all. Nothing's going to stop me getting over there!

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