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Christmas and the New Year will bring with them a flurry of sneeze births and we Brook No Argument! (part 14)

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MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Wed 19-Dec-12 18:50:39

Thought I would treat us un a festive thread

<puts up tinsel and fairy lights>

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Wed 19-Dec-12 18:53:22

Hope you all find it, can't link to old thread sad

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Wed 19-Dec-12 18:59:01

<tut> I mean to a festive thread not un festive <gives up>

TheLittleFriend Wed 19-Dec-12 19:16:49

Thanks boo, just marking my place as dp is serving up dinner grin

Biscuitsandtinsel Wed 19-Dec-12 19:37:57

<Marks place>

<Admires tinsel and lights>

<lays out mulled non alcoholic of course wine, chocolate Yule log and stollen>

GreenOlives Wed 19-Dec-12 19:59:28

<marks place>

<eats whole yule log, washes it down with mulled wine>

<heads off to find Ranitidine>

Thanks for new fred Boo! grin

Ooh, very nice new thread.

I'm having a total failure to cope day today including #3 drawing on my friend's wall, being up 3 hours in the night and having to drive 2 other couples to a work do tonight. Darn my big car.

Right. Enough of that. Will have cup of tea and brace for action. As you were.

Yay! New Fred! Any Yule log left?

Whim, sorry you have had a trying day. And Boo, get well soon.

V exciting re the Christmas babies, but I'm pretty sure minigen will be in Jan. even if cs is decided upon on Friday, I suspect it will be booked for Jan. unless there is a cause for concern I suppose. I will be 37 weeks on sun, so happy to reach that!

Come on baby Stacks, Nut and Tock - you lot are next! Hope the acu does its thing.

Smeggnog Wed 19-Dec-12 21:13:00

<marks place>

<dislodges baby from boob>

<reattaches baby to boob>

Lovely new fred, boo!

Ooh, yes, who will have the first baby on this thread? Place your bets ladies...

I reckon stacks will be first!

itsMYNutella Wed 19-Dec-12 22:06:41

oohhh some yule log would be awesome! <yummy> goes back to concentrating on wishing baby out.... just marking my place smile

SparklySanta Thu 20-Dec-12 00:45:25

Marking place

Must pop back to the old fred and catch up, especially during this latest bout of preggo insomnia hmm

TheLittleFriend Thu 20-Dec-12 08:06:16

I hope stacks is first!

clickingtock Thu 20-Dec-12 09:51:41

Marking place - thanks for new Fred and sorry I made the other one so fat, didn't realise we were on post1000!!!

Better go, chaos. But will write soon. Money on Stacks first here... xxx

Smeggnog Thu 20-Dec-12 11:28:20

Morning. Massive post on post-grad thread, neighbour issues. All advice / opinions gratefully received.

Come on, babystacks and tinytock! Stacks I've heard many good induction stories, I hope yours is equally good if you have one.

Hope you're ok Gen, ELCS will be fine and at least you've got time to prepare and make plans for how you want it all to go. You can have skin to skin etc, a friend of mine even had a lower sheet so she saw her baby as soon as he was born, although obviously didn't see the actual CS!

I've thought about this and I reckon it will be Stacks, then Nut, closely followed by Tock then me

Smegs thank you for the positivity about CS. I had done some reading up and decided I would like to do skin to skin and also see baby being born. Will venture to post grad thread to see if I can help/advise re neighbour issues.

clickingtock Thu 20-Dec-12 19:05:22

Well - that's the due date order Gen - perhaps we could all make it a bit more exciting and unpredictable <lays down gauntlet> wink

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Thu 20-Dec-12 19:13:08

Are you trying to tell us something Tock do you have news that would alter Gen's prediction?grin

TheLittleFriend Thu 20-Dec-12 19:15:17

Hope everyone's well this evening?
I'm off out for dinner, despite feeling like crap.
Saw the Mw today, bp is still slightly raised but I'm sure it's due to being ill. I promised I'd go straight back at the slightest sign of any high bp symptoms. But good news, baby has turned head down! I think he did it yesterday pm, when his movements were really hurting!
Sorry to not name check. Brooking hard that mini stack arrives before he is evicted smile

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Thu 20-Dec-12 19:18:25

Yay for head down baby Little, now the rest you the brooking babies need to take note!

clickingtock Fri 21-Dec-12 07:31:26

Great news Little (apart from BP but am hopeful will right itself v soon) - just gotta get him to stay put now eh? You have to be a left-side obsessive (telly, bed etc). My baby's movements still feel somersaulty at 38wks... seeing MW today so hope the little tockcritter hasn't put a spanner in the works.

Boo - I wish I could promise to shake up the order of things a little but the show last week was just one big tease. Could be in for another 42wker... groan. Didn't mind so much with first as only left work the day before the scan due date so going over gave me a nice rest before birth. This time I just want the babster in my arms. V impatient indeed! wink

Have a feeling that Stacks may be rather busy right now... am betting a mince pie on it.

Well - it's the shortest day of the year and the end of the Mayan Calendar. Hope well all pull through.


Stacks Fri 21-Dec-12 08:39:01

tock unfortunately you lose the mince pie... Do I get it?

Still no sign of baby, today his last chance for a natural labour. Sweep yesterday was ok, cervix still closed and prosteirior, but she managed to reach and do something. No symptoms of anything after though, not even a show. So we had ourselves a hot curry last night, and still nothing.

I'm on my phone and making loads of typos. Will grab laptop later and post properly. Just marking my place I was too silly to realise you're all never that quiet, and the old thread was full.

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Fri 21-Dec-12 09:45:24

Right, I have had enough of being stupid hormonal wreck, I actually had a cry this morning because DH has had his first pay in his new job and decided to treat himself to a nice lunch, then (this is where I think I am abnormal) I actually started to worry that because he will be in his uniform someone might say something to him while he is trying to enjoy it (he is a traffic warden) and spoil it for him sad

I think only a slap from a wet fish will snap me out of it sad

Biscuitsandtinsel Fri 21-Dec-12 09:57:00

Oh boo bless you! Pregnancy hormones are the best aren't they! Making you do weird and wonderful things grin

Well done to your DH for getting his job sorted and hope he thoroughly enjoys his lunch. If I see any traffic wardens lunching today I shall be sure to wish them a merry christmas grin. I'm sure no one would say anything mean and of course he'd take his coat and stuff off to eat his lunch anyway so I bet noone would notice. xxx

clickingtock Fri 21-Dec-12 15:08:52

<wet fish slap, followed by warm mince pie - love - with brandy butter for Boo>Congrats on first pay cheque in new job Mr Boo.

Stacks - darn it but yes of course you get the mince pie, also with Brandy butter. You are allowed brandy butter, I am told, as it brings on labour. <ahem> Really hope the next few days bring you your bonny boy and it's all as smooth as these things can be. Excited for you that it is moving ahead now even if not in the ideal way.

Sorry to be annoyingly chuffed but tiniTock is LOA (optimal) and almost fully engaged so feeling excited and a bit less worried than I was last week when I could feel feet all over the place (ROA, I think) but had experienced the show so was thinking it could turn tricky for birth. MWs v positive about HB etc and was a v nice app with them which even DP attended (he's on a bit of leave now). Of course, I may be twiddling thumbs for a good while yet but at least I have a family Christmas (first ever where it's just us in our lovely home) to distract me. Feeling v blessed indeed.

Waves to Biccies. Hugs to all Brookers. xxx

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Fri 21-Dec-12 15:32:41

Tock that is lovely news about tinytock, all engaged and ready to go smile

Thank you for the fish slaps and reassurance, he had a lovely lunch with no problems (I feel very silly now) blush

I had a coffee with a friend today and showed her my scan pictures and she said that she knew exactly what I was having (she didn't tell me though) because she could tell from the bone structure hmm sounds a bit odd to me!

Waves to all brookers, leaves out homemade shortbread and brew for all

clickingtock Fri 21-Dec-12 15:55:00

<nom, nom, slurp>

That's interesting innit Boo though prob' nonsense? My scan measurements for both at 20wks are almost exactly the same (this one has bigger tummy, bless) but they do 'look' different in the scan pictures. This baby is almost 'finer' looking, sharper features, than DS who was all nice and rounded/solid looking... I guess it's just that they are individuals (albeit siblings)?! I notice your friend has hedged her bets by not actually giving you a prediction of this one's sex! grin Get her to write it down in front of you and seal it in an envelope and save up for the big day!

clickingtock Fri 21-Dec-12 15:55:43

Obviously you have to look away as she's actually writing!

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Fri 21-Dec-12 16:13:07

Tock is this one a UBB for you? if it is it would be interesting to know if the differences carry on 'down below' too grin I honestly think she is talking nonsense some people just like to think they 'know' you know hmm

Stacks Fri 21-Dec-12 17:35:37

There's all sorts of things I've forgotten to buy this Christmas - like yule logs, and mince pies.. I guess I've not thought that much about Christmas, because I've been focusing on baby arriving. I thought there'd be time after baby to come up with a shopping list of goodies etc to get delivered in plenty of time for Christmas. I'm guessing now though that there won't be any delivery slots for the main supermarkets. I bought some Ikea mulled 'wine' - it was labelled 'fruit flavoured non-alcoholic cocktail' but was surprisingly nice! We've run out now though, as DH was dubious of it's credentials. Went down really well with our friends though - especially the drivers.

I've had a bit of a funny day today. DH and I have been preparing for baby coming home - tidy up of all the rooms, unpacking the crib mattress and making up the crib bed. I think LO will probably sleep on me for the first few nights TBH, but it's nice to be prepared. For that I've also got out most of the spare/guest pillows to have on our bed so I can sleep mostly upright with baby on chest if needed.

Given how long I've had to come to the realisation I'm having a baby, it's suddenly a bit scary! Will this be our last dinner at home with just the two of us? Is this my last night of good reasonable sleep?

I'm also not really sure what to expect of the induction. I know the mechanics of it, and have read the leaflets and things. However I'm not sure if I've been booked in for inpatient or outpatient induction. Will I be coming home again at all before baby is born? Will they send DH away if nothing has happened and it gets late? Will they send me home to sleep too? I need to write all these questions down and ask tomorrow.

Oops, this has got a bit long already - I'm on the laptop and it's sooo much easier to type! However, the plan was to use the laptop so I could namecheck!

Olives thank you for the shiny new thread, it's lovely and Christmassy.

Whim I hope your evening is better than your morning. I hope the drawing was in pencil/something washable? I'm always the designated driver for things here, as I don't usually drink (even when not pregnant). I don't mind too much, but find it so much harder to stay out late when I'm not drinking, and know I have to stay awake enough to drive. I hope you have fun at your work do, even if you're the driver.

Boo hope you're feeling better soon. I managed to get another cold this week, again despite limited contact with the outside world and it's germs. I'm always nice to traffic wardens - I really don't get why people are nasty to them. It's not like they make you park illegally. Glad he had a nice lunch smile

Gen I hope they don't rush you into a CS soon, unless you're impatient for one of course. A Jan baby is just as lovely as a Christmas one, though a shame you won't get the pate and booze traditional at Christmas. I hope you've not been suffering with too much indigestion and things? I've found the last few weeks of this pg hard on my joints - they all seem to over extend now, giving me sore feet (the 'knuckles' spread out too far when I put weight on them) and now a sore hand too, along with the standard sore hips...

Smeggs lovely to see you. I hope LO is doing well. I guess I'll see you on the PN thread very soon! eek

Sparks hope you're well and the insomnia passes soon.

Nutella brooking you're LO arrives on time (or a little early?) and doesn't keep you waiting like miniStacks!

Little enjoy your dinner out, I hope you feel better for it. Really pleased LO has gone head down for you, but sorry it was so uncomfortable. They really can cause some pain when they get bigger can't they?

Tock the mince pie was lovely, thanks! Really glad miniTock is behaving well for you. miniStacks was in a great position at my scan yesterday, so my only problem now is getting him out of there.

Biscuits waves and hugs. Hope you're well, looking forward to Christmas?

I've been admitted to hospital! they're worried about risk of cord prolapse if I go into labour. plan to be made on Mon but prob section next week. posting on phone so won't write much! love to all and hope things get going soon stacks.

Stacks Sat 22-Dec-12 07:21:32

Oh Gen that's not ideal! Same thing happened to a lady on the December thread, though they just threatened to keep her in hospital till her due date (3 weeks) and do an EMCS if she went into labour... A planned section is better than that, but the risk must be quite low if you choose to wait a while? Though that means you'll be in hospital longer sad

You will get a perfect little baby soon though, the journey there is just a small part.

On that same note, I'm up having breakfast before heading in for induction. So far I think I'm just nervous, but I managed to sleep ok. Had cramps last night so hoping that means baby is close on his own.

Will keep in touch if I can.

GreenOlives Sat 22-Dec-12 07:44:10

Gen Oh no what a pain being stuck in hospital! But at least minigen is in the right place if he/she decides to start making their way out! I hope they can let you out for Christmas day though! Thinking of you, try and keep us posted.
Good luck today Stacks! smile Cramps last night sound like a good sign so Im brooking hard that DS will be a lovely easy labour and sneeze birth! grin Will be thinking of you too and looking forward to updates! Xx

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Sat 22-Dec-12 07:57:21

Stacks and Gen all my brooking is for you both thanksthanks

TheLittleFriend Sat 22-Dec-12 08:04:29

Brooking super hard for gen and stacks xxthanks

clickingtock Sat 22-Dec-12 08:20:11

Oh Gen - shock- that's a tough one but sounds like you're in v good, cautious hands. Brooking for a good solution - and soon - and a happy Christmas for you and your family. Looking forward to miniGen being safely with us. thanks

Stacks - v excited for you and brooking that by the time they try induction you are already in labour, but if not I hope you have a good experience. I would be nervous too but it's good you're going to get your boy in your arms soon. Can't wait to meet babyStacks. thanks

Love to all.


Biscuitsandtinsel Sat 22-Dec-12 08:27:54

<screeches in realising that brooking is urgently required>

Good luck Stacks - look forward to hearing all about it and enjoy those imminent newborn snuggles

Gen my love - I couldn't be brooking more for you! Undoubtedly a pooey time to be admitted but they will be taking the best care of you. Do you know what you would want from them on Monday? Would you prefer they schedule a date or wait for labour to start? How many weeks are you now? You're 37 or 38 or something aren't you? Take care my lovely and keep your wonderful positive outlook xxxxx thanks

<waves to everyone else>

BartletForTeamGB Sat 22-Dec-12 08:32:25

I've found you all! I was thinking the thread on "threads I'm watching" seemed a bit quiet!

generic, hope you are not getting too bored in hospital. Sounds like you are in the best place. Have you got lots of books, magazines, knitting etc to keep you occupied? Brooking for you. I have been to and assisted at a number of elective sections. They really are lovely, calm, relaxed affairs, with nice relaxed doctors, midwives and nurses, maybe nice music. They are completely different to the rush and hurry of a Category 1 emergency section.

stacks, based on friends' inductions, you are in from the time of the first pessary, but if nothing is happening overnight, they'll leave you alone to sleep and ask DH to go home to get some rest. A good friend of mine was induced for being post dates. She had the first pessary in the evening and was told that nothing would happen overnight so her husband was sent home. She was quite uncomfortable and couldn't rest, but wasn't in a huge amount of pain. Eventually about 3am, she was asking (well, begging) the nurses for paracetamol. They'd maintained for the previous few hours that there was no point examining her as the next pessary wasn't until the morning, but eventually did - and she was at 10cm. They had to call her husband, who then ran down to labour ward, where she delivered 30 minutes later! It really isn't always bad, and, as you said to generic, the important thing is not the journey but the lovely little baby at the end, who you are going to meet very very soon!

tock, I get a bit excited whenever there is a new FB update in case it is you with news. You will live-blog your entire birth, won't you...? wink

I was at the MW yesterday for a 31/40 check up and whooping cough vaccination. Everything looking good, although DS got a bit agitated about the blood pressure cuff hurting my arm even when I told him it wasn't. Going to see her again in a fortnight, growth scan the following week, and then she'll come to mine for a home visit as I think I'll book a HB again. Vomiting has been really bad though this week and my indigestion has been a lot worse, so the GP has given me some omeprazole so hopefully that will settle things down.

Yesterday wasn't a great day for all of those appointments (MW, practice nurse & GP) as it was a year since we'd had DD, but we went up to the hospital to look at the memorial book and it was lovely, in a very teary sort of way, to see her name written there.

In case DC3 isn't born at home, I've been reading the thread about the Bounty lady: http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/a1641617-just-had-a-run-in-with-the-maternity-ward-bounty-photographer#36140989 I've printed their code of conduct and will be sticking it in my notes! I am fairly chilled about most things and will have a very short birth plan that boils down to 'whatever needs to happen is fine', but I'm going to be clear that I want the Bounty lady to stay away!

Stacks Sat 22-Dec-12 09:12:20

Well, the ward has no beds so we've been sent home to wait. Nurse suggested it'll be a couple of hours, so just settling myself in the sofa. Feel really sorry for DH, he's really not a morning person and didn't get much sleep, so he's already struggling a bit. He's killing bad guys in his computer now though smile

Thank you for all the brooking, think I'm going to find an 'easy' film to watch to keep my mind off things and fall asleep to.

Bartlet sounds like a long tough day for you. Glad things were all looking good though. Really hope the omeprazole helps with the indigestion (and vomiting, though I didn't know it did that). I've been on it all through this pg, I'm a little worried this means LO will need it when he's born too.. Not least because my mum, dad and sister are all taking it, as is my FIL. Poor little tyke stands the chance of inheriting a dodgy digestive system.

Christmas movie, rom com or anime? Hmm..

Biscuitsandtinsel Sat 22-Dec-12 10:08:03

Good luck Stacks thanksthanksthanks

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Sat 22-Dec-12 10:26:21

Brooking for you Stacks thanks and love actually would be my movie choice smile

Gen hope you are relaxing lots and not too bored thanks

SweetieSnowball Sat 22-Dec-12 10:52:29

just popping in to add my Brooking vibes to those in need

Stacks good luck my dear, can not wait for to hear about those new born snuggles

Gen hope you get sorted soon too and don't let the boredom set in

and finally Tock I am still very excited for tinytock live birth thread too

wishing everyone else best wishes of the festive season, bye for now although I will be lurking grin

Biscuitsandtinsel Sat 22-Dec-12 11:17:50

Yyy to love actually for a movie choice. Deffo. Love that film smile

clickingtock Sat 22-Dec-12 11:57:25

Bartlett - v sorry to think of your loss a year ago but so glad that one year on and things are looking v positive for you and your family. Sweet about your DS - is he a sensitive soul? Great news about the HB too. Brooking.

Stacks - hope the day flies by.

How you diddling Gen? Brooking.

Thanks to Bartlett, Biscuits and our star guest Sweetie - I will try to do a bit of live broadcasting grin but it's bound to be in the deepest darkest hours, if DS is anything to go by... Had some real crampy pains at night but still suspect this baby could drag things out for all of us so sorry to be a dilly-dawdler... Ho hum. Let's all have a lovely Christmas then tiniTock can make an appearance.

Doing charity fundraiser today - making hot choc for 60. Weather is terrible, wish I hadn't been so ambitious as I'm sure no one wants to come out and feed deer in the miserable rain...

Biscuitsandtinsel Sat 22-Dec-12 13:19:15

Lots of hugs coming your way Bartlet thanks

Hope gen and stacks are both doing ok xxx

Stacks Sat 22-Dec-12 16:45:49

Hey. Well I'm back home now. Finally got the call to come in at about 2pm, then had a trace (all good, interestingly showing 'tightenings' every 7-9 mins consistently) before doctor came and put in some kind of tape thing. He was verging on brutal with how he did it. Hoping I don't see him again! Had another trace, and now back home for the night. Midwife and doctor don't expect labour within the next 24h, but if I do go into labour I just call them and go back to the ward.

So, home for dominoes pizza and a movie I think, with lots of ball bouncing. Oh, also, they're going to phone me at 3:30am to check how I am sad so early night tonight!

Biscuitsandtinsel Sat 22-Dec-12 17:04:13

Good luck Stacks - like the sound of those 7-9 min tightenings! Could you feel them?

And hope that rough doc is do e for Christmas now and at home put of your way smile

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Sat 22-Dec-12 17:21:30

Ooh Stacks that does sound promising.

Brooking that Stacks and Gen are also progressing/relaxing nicely smile

stacks hope it gets going soon!

Bartlett sorry aboutyour sad anniversary, hope you're ok.
Merritt. lovely to see you here and hope you join us properly soon.
thanks everyone for your thoughts. still no plan for me but sounds like I'll be here til mini gen is born. we'll just have to delay Christmas until we"re all back home.
tock how was your deer feeding?

oh dear sorry for typos. hate posting on phone! nice to see you was to sweetie?

Biscuitsandtinsel Sat 22-Dec-12 20:44:33

It will be a lovely christmas whenever it is though because mini gen will be there to share it all smile. Fingers crossed it is soon though (or as soon as you want it - are you keen for them to get on with it or hold off for a bit?)

I just want to get on with it now I'm 37 weeks. it will be a v special late Christmas!

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Sat 22-Dec-12 21:41:14

Gen your Christmas will be very special indeed with mini gen with you. I forgot to ask, how did they find the potential cord issue? What led to your admission? Sorry if you have already told us, can't scroll back text easily on my phone.

Any news from the other impending sneeze births??

Biscuitsandtinsel Sat 22-Dec-12 21:49:31

In that case * gen* I am brooking they crack on ASAP for you my lovely thanks

thank you smile
boo it's because baby is transverse so cord can drop down and would come out easily if labour starts.

Biscuitsandtinsel Sat 22-Dec-12 22:26:34

Hopefully you're keeping yourself entertained while you wait for them to decide?

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Sat 22-Dec-12 22:30:21

I see, well hopefully they make a quick decision to crack on and let you meet mini gen asap! Hope you're not too bored in there.

Blimey it's been busy on here. Brooking for gen and stacks and thoughts with bartlett.

Hope the deer appreciated the hot choc tock.

Remember I'm 5 hours behind you if anyone needs extra late night brooks!

Smeggnog Sun 23-Dec-12 00:57:30

Feeding DD2 so thought I'd see how you all are. Stacks hope it's all starting for you. Good luck!

Gen sorry you're in hospital, but at least they're taking good care of you. Brooking that all goes well and you soon have a healthy, beautiful Yule-tide baby. thanks

Smeggnog Sun 23-Dec-12 00:58:57

Bartlet I'm so sorry, it must have been a very difficult day for you. Thinking of you and your DD.

clickingtock Sun 23-Dec-12 08:45:31

Brooking for Gen and Stacks - Gen you are being v stoical, but a delayed Christmas sounds fab.

Waves to all.

Deer v frisky. We raised over £80 (I spent £15) so feel quite chuffed and there was a good show of support despite weather. Managed not to give birth in a deer pen too. grin

DS wants to share this with you bells http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRzhd3eUyO8

clickingtock Sun 23-Dec-12 08:45:59
clickingtock Sun 23-Dec-12 08:46:12
Stacks Sun 23-Dec-12 09:46:11

Morning all. Pessary doesn't seem to have kicked anything off yet. Except a really bad night of sleep. Had aching back and hips all night, but expecting the hospital to phone at 03:30 meant I woke up at that time. Was awake then till about 06:30 (when they still hadn't phoned) finally got to sleep and they called at about 07:30. Cue being awake again. Took me ages to get to sleep too, maybe 01:00. Really glad I had a nap on DH last night.

Much more worried about today now. I'm not sure if I'll be given a second pessary, waters breaking, or the dreaded drip. I'd been silly optimistic that all I'd need would be the pessary and labour would have started last night. I think it's very unlikely I'll be home tonight though.

Just have to remember, I'm there to get a baby! I'm kind of regretting accepting the induction now, think I should have added the 3 days extra from my EDD and got them to do induction after Christmas. I was so sure this baby would come before Christmas that I didn't think about waiting till after at this stage. Oh well, regret will get me nowhere. I'm committed now.

Gen hope they give you a CS date soon and you can plan your delayed Christmas.

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Sun 23-Dec-12 10:07:53

Oh Stacks poor love thanks hope you can get some rest before you head back in to hospital. I am brooking so hard that it all happens soon for you.

Gen brooking you have a plan in place today for your very soon birth.

Nuts you ok? Been very quiet the last few days

Oh bad luck stacks. I was relying on you to have a really positive induction to assuage my fears!

Extra brooking for you. I hope you manage to get some rest and then sneeze out a lovely baby in time for Christmas. There's something extra special about Christmas babies (and you can call him Jesus - we had one of those baby name books that said 'Jesus: The son of god, in the bible' by way of explanation)

I've swept the kitchen, made a loaf of bread and 'tidied' all my craft stuff (ie shoved it in a cupboard) in preparation for some friends coming for lunch. All the presents are wrapped, and if someone were to bring me a cup of tea and a mince pie, I might feel a bit festive.

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Sun 23-Dec-12 15:54:39

<hands Whims a brew and mince pie>

Right, were ready!! Done all the food shop today, it was not quite as bad as it could have been, and my db joined us to do a bit of his, there is something about me and my db that turns us into 12 year olds when we get together grin all presents wrapped, smug feeling in place! And DH has been told he can finish work early tomorrow smile

Brooking for our 3 Christmas sneeze births, hope you are all doing ok thanksthanksthanks

itsMYNutella Sun 23-Dec-12 16:11:35

Tock that video is super cute! Love the dogs going mad in the snow smile

boo We're all good here, thanks grin feeling a lot more zen this week. Have been having great sleeps and knowing that baby can't be that much further off (though I keep letting bump know it can't arrive soon enough) is helping me feel abut more relaxed about it all.

Having contractions but nothing regular, this morning there was some (sorry TMI alert) snotty goo when I wiped which (again, sorry but feel free to skip to the next paragraph wink ) I'm hoping was start of plug or mucous membrane perhaps; and not from dtd with DP yesterday afternoon hmm.

Been out for a walk today, must have been almost 4km in total.... Hoping the bean moves down! But it was lovely to be out walking with DP. We're both feeling sort of ready now I guess, it certainly feels calm chez Nutella.
Tomorrow is the big Christmas holy evening here so we'll do some shopping in the am (milk, butter ,eggs essentials for baking and Christmas pancakes smile ) then I think a roast dinner in the pm (good job DP loves an English style roast) and exchanging presents. Then 25th we're planning pancakes etc for breakfast- with some more gifts. Then we'll ring the hospital see if they can do an acupuncture appointment, hang around for the MW visit before getting ready to meet DP's family at a restaurant for a massive dinner.

Of course since the next couple of days are planned the bean will probably turn up in time to stop me having the big posh dinner DP and I are looking forward to grin

What do you ladies have planned?

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Sun 23-Dec-12 16:43:27

Wow Nuts zen, calm, idyllic, your Christmas plans sound just perfect, not like the bedlam that is chez boo grin Toddly boo and teen boo think walking is a punishment. Brooking that pea nut stays put while you enjoy your Christmas thanks

clickingtock Sun 23-Dec-12 17:21:08

Nuts - sounds v lovely; enjoy your last Chrimbo as a child-free couple. Great that you sound so ready to welcome nutlet(te)... So are you not v engaged yet? Or just hoping a good walk might trigger the birth? Anyway, keep your legs shut for a couple of days then you're good to go eh? We've got an acupuncture app for next Fri' too. Friday - your due date - would be a winner birth date as far as I'm concerned though we're a bit unsure about the following Monday as it's a working day in UK and I don't really want DP to start his Pat leave in a week when there's a bank holiday. Never mind. These babies just come along when they come and that's that!

Well done Boo - sounds like fun Christmas activities. Hope you and the boys have a fab time together.

Whims - c'mon, festive spirit a-go-go - I don't imagine your boys will let you off the hook.

DS has just had his guardians over (two lovely men) and had such a great time decorating his gingerbread biscuits with them (ie, icing sugar snowstorm), and playing like mad and they got him a couple of brilliant books - first present opening.... They have such a lark together but DS is always really sad when they go.

Now DP is preparing a lovely ham a la Nigel Slater. And we've watched Peter Rabbit's Christmas tale at least 20x. grin I could do this staying-at-home-for-Xmas-because-of-late-pregnancy again, I could. Or perhaps not...

Will be checking in on everyone, especially Stacks and Gen.

TTFN... xxxxxxxx

nut, that sounds lovely. brooking that baby waits til it's convenient for your sneeze birth.
whim. happy Christmas!
tock, glad fundraiser went well.
boo, glad shopping was pain free!
no news here, waiting for consultant tomorrow.
oh stacks, hope pessary does the trick.

Stacks Sun 23-Dec-12 19:44:53

So, stuck in hospital now and DH gone home till tomorrow. This hospital gives you a 24h rest between each induction thing, so next pessary will be tomorrow afternoon. However as I'm now 42w they won't let me go home again.
Had same doc today as yesterday, who was again very painful with the internal exam. My cervix is still too far back to be easily reached, and not dilated. I am having tightenings every few minutes, so the hope is that these do something and I'm further forward tomorrow. Doc mentioned breaking waters if I was dilated tomorrow, so we'll have to wait and see.
I'm already tired and kind of fed up. With such a bad night sleep last night I'm hoping I'll be able to sleep here. Even with the 2 newborn babies in the room with me...

I'll go back and read now and post again.

TheLittleFriend Sun 23-Dec-12 20:07:21

stacks and gen I don't like to think of you both stuck in hospital waiting, but keep your eyes on the prize and remember that this will soon be a memory as you cuddle your baby's at home.

nuts that does sound like a lovely Xmas you have planned. Sounds like nutlet is planning on arriving soon though smile

We've had a lovely day today. Dd and I made decorations this morning, them we had friends over for lunch. Finished off by visiting more friends. Dd is now even more excited, if that's possible. We're all enjoying it though grin

Love to the rest of the Brookers. Hope no ones got to brave the shops tomorrow?

WinterSolstice Sun 23-Dec-12 20:36:31

Oh Gen & Stacks I'm brooking like crazy that you are both out the hospitals with your snuggly babies very soon! Looking forward to hearing both your news!

I'm just waiting for DH to hurry up and get ready so we can go down the road for a few drinks with the neighbours but he always takes longer than me to get ready! hmm Hope everyone has a lovely christmas and I really hope I get to join you all very soon x

TheLittleFriend Sun 23-Dec-12 20:43:42

Happy Christmas solars, hope you're moving over to this thread soon too smile

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Sun 23-Dec-12 20:45:06

Stacks and Gen brooking you don't have to be in hospital too long and you will be sniffing snuggly brooking babies very soon.

Solars your place is marked, you will be here before you know it, I am brooking no argument!! Hope you and DH have a fabulous time tonight, have an eggnog for me and happy Christmas to you both thanks

solars thank you and brooking you will join us soon!
little thank you too and your Christmas preparations sound lovely.
brooking for good news for stacks tomorrow.

Stacks Sun 23-Dec-12 21:36:51

Tock glad your deer feeding went well. Hope the weather wasn't too bad for you. The video is super cute, though DH didn't approve of me watching it in the middle of the tv program he was watching earlier smile. Sounds like you've had a lovely day today, hope the rest of your Christmas runs as well.
Whim hope you got a real cup of tea and mince pie. DH and I went and did the last pre-Christmas food shop today, and he let me buy mince pies smile unfortunately they're not here with me though. This induction hasn't been too bad really, I think I just fear the process too, so am desperately trying to cling to some optimism.
Boo glad you're feeling all festive too. It's really not long to go now us it?! Christmas itself has crept up on me, what with the baby distraction.
Nut sounds like wonderful plans for Christmas. Slightly jealous, as I'm starting to think my Christmas Day is going to be in here. DH really wanted a year where Christmas was 'just us', feel a bit sad I've kind of ruined it. However, it's not the day itself that matters, so like Gen we'll just enjoy a delayed Christmas together, with an extra special addition.
Little another wonderful sounding day for you! I'm looking forward to family Christmases in the years to come. There's something so idyllic about children and Christmas.
Solars happy Christmas! Looking forward to you coming over soon. You can have my spot, I've kept it warm for you.
Gen hope your hospital is looking after you well. We just got an evening tea, toast and biscuit round. I messages DH and told him to take notes! wink

I've spent do long writing this I'm probably already 10 posts behind..

itsMYNutella Sun 23-Dec-12 22:29:30

tock I'm pretty sure the bean still hasn't engaged yet... Although of course that doesn't have to mean anything I hope it at least gives me the next two days of eating enjoying Christmas smile

stacks double portions of brooking that your baby arrives promptly and then you won't even care about Christmas because you'll be so busy having lovely snuggles! - but you might be able to enjoy some other festive treats. wink

gen hope you get some good news tomorrow!!

boo and little I think it's lovely that your DC are so excited about Christmas. Hope they and you all have a lovely time!

I think the relaxing is being helped by not being at the ILs tomorrow. I miss my family Christmas (even though my family get together when possible and celebrate Christmas whenever; if we can't organise the actual Christmas Day together) it's odd doing things differently and at the ILs it feels very formal. It seems common in Germany to open presents in the evening after a late afternoon church ceremony, (which I've so far managed to get out of, I like Christmas carols but I like the ones I know in English- and I'm not bothered about the church bit) then they have dinner. Then you have two days of Christmas but without much to actually do hmm

That's why DP and I will open some presents on the 24th and some on the 25th grin. Obviously the packages my family have sent me have to be opened on the 25th. They also include essentials like chocolate digestives... If only decent sausages could be posted grin

GreenOlives Mon 24-Dec-12 06:03:04

Good morning ladies!
Any remedies for pregnancy insomnia please? I've been awake for nearly 2 hours now yet I feel sooo tired! I had a really busy shift at work yesterday so I thought I'd sleep like a log but twas not to be sad Im also getting a lot of pubic bone pain in bed at night - any tips for that from fellow sufferers? Right that's my moans over!
bartlet Sorry to hear about DDs anniversary.
gen Hope you get a plan of action sorted today.
stacks Hope things have started moving overnight!
tock Nice work on the fundraising! Still brooking that tinytock doesn't keep you waiting too much longer!
nuts You sound very relaxed indeed, hope you have a lovely German Xmas (and enjoy your English treats!) Choc digestives will be perfect energy providers in labour! wink
boo Bump is looking beautiful on FB! grin
Can't remember what else I was going to say - think I'll try and nap on sofa for a bit until the boys are up!
Happy Christmas to one and all! Xx

Stacks Mon 24-Dec-12 11:23:39

Quick update post. Managed about 4h sleep last night. Very noisy baby in bay next to me. His mum have up at about 3am and the midwives took him away to settle him. Mum and me (and the other two ladies I hope) then got to sleep through till woken by the breakfast trolley at 7.
Soggy cornflakes, warm milk and cold toast started my day. hmm

This morning trace in baby showed a dip in his heart rate for a little while. Midwife thinks cord compression. Doc and consultant have decided to accelerate process and transfer me to labour ward where they hope to break my waters. They've not checked cervix position or dilation today though, so it might not be possible without the gel first. Will have to wait and see. Stuck on continuous monitoring now though sad.

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Mon 24-Dec-12 11:37:00

Stacks brooking for you, hopefully you will be meeting your brooking baby after a lovely accelerated sneeze birth very soon thanks

Gen brooking that your plan is put into place for your immediate sneeze!! thanks

clickingtock Mon 24-Dec-12 14:49:48

Good luck Stacks - getting v near. A Christmas eve or Christmas day baby for you. Well done for staying strong and + xxx

Gen - brooking for news for you and your baby tomorrow.

Green - full sympathy. I put something on FB that may be of slight help... Could still be a big wait for me but feeling very excited either way.

Nuts - I would say that gives you at least a couple of days. I'd be surprised if Nutlet(te) isn't a little bit engaged though. I am now 4/5 engaged (1/5 palpable) and apparently this is less usual with a second. Also you mentioned quite a lot of pelvic discomfort which suggests to me that baby is digging in - I am getting some v sharp/weird pains in tops of legs and can only guess that this is exactly what's happening. Anyway - it's all looking good for you and brooking that you get your Christmas swiftly followed by LO and a sneeze birth. (ps I'm also v relieved not to be spending Xmas with MIL.)

Solars - so lovely to see you. Will always be brooking for you! Have a great time with your DH.

Boo - enjoy the excitement, Little too. My DS quite low key but when he sings Jingle Bells it's enough to melt my heart. [frgrin]

Happy Christmas to everyone and see you after the festivities.

clickingtock Mon 24-Dec-12 14:50:25

grin grin grin

Biscuitsandtinsel Mon 24-Dec-12 16:27:52

Marry Christmas brookers.

Just wondered if anyone would like a very nearly new tube of lansinoh? PM me your address if so.

Have a fab Christmas and love to you all xxx

GreenOlives Mon 24-Dec-12 17:25:05

Me please biscuits if no one else has beaten me to it! Will PM you. Xx

Biscuitsandtinsel Mon 24-Dec-12 19:46:53

All yours olives

And of course I meant MERRY Christmas! grin

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Mon 24-Dec-12 19:49:55

Merry Christmas ladies, I will be lurking for new baby news and hope you all have a fabulous Christmas.

SparklySanta Mon 24-Dec-12 20:38:25

Merry Christmas brookers

Brooking for lovely baby news and insomnia free nights smile

TheLittleFriend Mon 24-Dec-12 21:03:04

Merry Christmas everyone. I hope Stacks and Gen get lovely snugly babies from Father Christmas smile

Happy Christmas all! I've had a scan and finally seen my consultant and she has let me come home whoop whoop! I'm going back on Boxing Day so she can try to turn the baby, so I still have a chance of a normal delivery! Still risk of a section if the turning doesn't work and will be we'll monitored to check baby isn't distressed by the procedure, but I am overjoyed! It's a Christmas miracle!

Hope everyone else is well and has a fab day tomorrow, especially stacks! Get sneezing girl!

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Mon 24-Dec-12 22:15:25

Gen I am so pleased for you that you are home for Christmas day. Take it easy and get everyone to take care of you. Brooking for a successful turn on Wednesday thanks

Stacks hopefully your having/well on the way to sniffy snuggle time thanks

Merry Christmas everyone.

Smeggnog Mon 24-Dec-12 23:19:35

Gen that's wonderful that you get to be at home for Christmas. Hope the consultant is successful and you get the 'normal' delivery you hope for. But it is all about having a baby - the method isn't so important, it's the result that counts!

Stacks hope you're on your way to meeting your little bundle of Christmas joy. Have you considered Noel as a name?! I suppose Jesus is just a bit too much? wink

DD1 is incredibly excited about Christmas Day - it's the first one that she's understood vaguely what's happening. I'm really enjoying watching her excitement, and the fact that when she gets overtired and insane as she undoubtedly will, her GP's will quite happily deal with the fallout that they caused by giving her shitloads of chocolate grin

Merry Christmas Brookers!

Smeg you are quite right and I do say that to other people re it not mattering how the baby is born. I think I was a bit carried away by the joy of coming home for a couple of days over Christmas!

Hope everyone is enjoying Christmas Day and thank you again for cheering me up these last few days.

Any news, stacks?

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Tue 25-Dec-12 22:14:38

Well, what a lovely day in the boo house smile I hope you all had a brilliant day too.

Stacks brooking you have your Christmas baby.

scarletfestivefingernail Wed 26-Dec-12 08:21:22

Merry Christmas everyone.

I just thought I'd nip in and read the birth announcements <double checks thread in case I've missed it>.

Stacks brooking for you. Your induction sounds pretty much the same as mine except I was allowed home at all. They were trialling the Propess at our hospital so I had to stay in. Very frustrating.

So pleased you were home for Christmas Day Gen. Brooking all goes well for you today.

<waves to everyone else> Hope you all had a lovely day yesterday.

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Wed 26-Dec-12 11:24:23

Happy boxing day ladies, I am in peeling hell again, mil coming for her dinner tonight sad had a really lovely day yesterday, hope not all did too.

<puts peeler down and waits for baby news instead> grin

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Wed 26-Dec-12 11:25:24

blush you all did too, not not all did too.

Smeggnog Wed 26-Dec-12 12:41:58

Hello all, hope you had a lovely Christmas. We're off to the next round of rellies, then we have a break till Saturday. I'm a bit grinch-like now, next year we're going to hunker down in our own home, and if people want to see us they can make the journey. It's too much for this old woman now grin

DD2 slept well last night so I'm happy and well rested, yay! Amazed at her pooing skills, DD1 was a once every few days kinda baby, DD2 does at least 3 a day.

Have a lovely boxing day, boo despite the peeling.

Stacks I hope you're ok. Haven't heard from you for a while. No pressure, just wanted to let you know I was thinking of you. thanks

TheLittleFriend Wed 26-Dec-12 14:11:57

Happy Boxing Day everyone. We had a lovely day yesterday, and today has almost been just as good, in a more chilled out way! Just settling down to watch Lady and the Tramp with dd now smile

Really hope everything is going ok Stacks, thinking of you x

Stacks Wed 26-Dec-12 18:44:09

Quick message to say baby Thomas was born on Christmas morning by a (not very) emergency CS.

He's lovely, healthy and very well behaved. Breastfeeding is going well, and we should both be home tomorrow.

TheLittleFriend Wed 26-Dec-12 18:48:50

Hurray, hurray, hurray!!! gringringrin

It's a Christmas brooking miracle!!!

Congratulations Stacks, can't wait to hear more when you're ready. Enjoy this precious time thanksthanksthanks

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Wed 26-Dec-12 19:02:03

Oh Stacks that's brilliant news, congratulations to you on your new son thanks

SparklySanta Wed 26-Dec-12 19:02:50

Yay yay yay

Congratulations stacks amazingly perfect news!!!

GreenOlives Wed 26-Dec-12 19:03:32

Fabulous news stacks! grin grin grin That has to be the best Christmas present ever!! grin grin grin
Lovely name too! Looking forward to hear more about Thomas's arrival when you're all settled back at home. Xx

JenFrankincenseAndMyrrh Wed 26-Dec-12 19:09:28

Congratulations! thanks

congratulations stacks! great Christmas present!

Smeggnog Wed 26-Dec-12 19:50:22


Congratulations Stacks! So happy for you! And welcome to the big world, Thomas, what a lovely name you have smile

Smeggnog Wed 26-Dec-12 19:51:24

Bother grin


clickingtock Wed 26-Dec-12 20:09:32

So chuffed for you and your family, Stacks. Welcome to the world Thomas! thanksthanksthanksthanksthanksthanksthanksthanksthanks

Gen, so glad you got home for a bit of cheer.

So Nuts next and then....smilesmilesmilesmilesmile

Ps hope you are all having a fab time. I've had the best Xmas ever. Sad that DP is back to work tomorrow. sad Ah we'll, it can't last forever... <first ever post on Xmas ipadgrin>

cakes82 Wed 26-Dec-12 20:24:42

Congratulations Stacks

Loopyhasanotherbean Wed 26-Dec-12 21:13:07

Congrats stacks

Yay re iPad tock me too smile aren't they just the best thing ever!

Great news stacks. What a lovely Christmas present. Lots of love to you all.

itsMYNutella Thu 27-Dec-12 07:50:21

Congratulations Stacks! Not sure if I posted before or read and ran confused.
Due date today... Haircut booked for tomorrow. grin have had a few contractions but nothing really major or consistent. Although bean might have moved down hmm hospital for check up today (because Drs have too so much time off!). Fingers crossed they have time for some acupuncture too.
I've been swelling gradually for weeks but now my wrists & fingers are getting rather annoying! Come on bean, time to make a move... Please!!!!hmm

SweetieSnowball Thu 27-Dec-12 09:45:28

Congratulation s Stacks hope you are all home now enjoying those snuggles

clickingtock Thu 27-Dec-12 11:06:46

Yes Loopy, fab contraption! Shame about MN app.

Nuts - hope you pop soon. I'm just as impatient and a week behind. Wish the show hadn't been such a tease. Brooking for you that peanut isn't far away....

thanks & brew for all. This weather is a pain. We've resorted to Thomas TTE film @ TockTowers <yawn>

SparklySanta Thu 27-Dec-12 12:33:32

tock jealous of you both and I'm months and months behind you!!

My morning sickness is back with a vengeance!! So I've spent the morning on the sofa while mrsparks goes off to do an honest days work, well actually he is doing a half day so we're going to attempt to do some sales shopping when he comes home!!

I've had some perfectly wonderful Christmas presents! I asked my sister for a photo and frame of her kids, she gave me one, plus a matching one for a pic of SILs kids AND a framed picture of my first scan photo, all matching! So cute!!

Such a contented Christmas, but eager for next years now when I'll have a perfect little munch all of my own!! Mush over smile

BartletForTeamGB Thu 27-Dec-12 14:02:38

Congratulations Stacks! Great news!

Sparks, glad you had lovely presents. Next Christmas is going to be even more exciting!

tock, which TTTE film is that? While I have been in bed vomiting when DH has been at work, I've been showing DS lots of TTTE things on Youtube so I think I have seen them all. Hope minitock arrives soon though. Still planned for a HB?

Oi, nuts, be nice about doctors around here! wink (Coming from the doctor who abandoned her post last week for at least a year off...) Hope that you go soon too. Just a fortnight to go, and you will definitely have had your lovely baby!

Better go back downstairs and be sociable. Still at the PILs....

WinterSolstice Thu 27-Dec-12 15:35:01

Congratulations Stacks thanks thanks

clickingtock Thu 27-Dec-12 16:19:30

Bartlett - only 1 TTTE feature film I think. Dreadful US job from 80 s or 90s at best. Like a lot of DS purchases this was a charity shop job. He loves it so that's what counts. It's an hour's worth of entertainment. Youtube a good plan too. Sorry you're poorly, get well soon. Yes HB still a go-er: on Fri, @ MW app, tockbean was in perfect position but I can tell s/he's moved (ROA again I think)... Will stay + for now tho I wish I'd brushed up on my hypno birthing a bit more consistently. Still got til 3rd for scan due date so not OD yet, and show a week back, nearly 2, was obviously just a tease. How are you feeling about your HB? Are you on leave soon? Well deserved I'm sure. smile

Sparks - sorry re sickness how frustrating for you. Hope it's merely a blip!

Any updates from Stacks since her announcement?

itsMYNutella Thu 27-Dec-12 17:26:37

Sparks sorry about the sickness! I've had the odd bought of nausea but absolutely chuffed to bits not to have been puking (thanks bean, you've been very good on that score... but still, get out! grin )

Bartlett my Dr isn't back at work until the 2nd week of January (so from 21st- 7th Jan as hols I think; because her colleague was off the week before Christmas), it is a small (OBGYN) practice where just two of them work but only seem to do half days each (admittedly long half days...) and almost all Drs are shut on a Wednesday pm here. They also close between 12:00 and 15:00 most days for lunch... Perhaps you want to be a Dr in Germany when you decide to return?? smile
And!!! They have weird names for everything although the medical language for them is the same; when directly translated, some examples:
Cervix = "mother mouth"
placenta = "mother cake"

But my Dr is very lovely! as I'm sure you are too Bartlett

Check up at the hospital was fine. It was nice and quiet (fingers crossed they're not too busy when I have to go in) and the MWs were lovely, as always. They did the acupuncture for me too (I might have had a nap while the needles were in smile ). MW was funny; they're supposed to charge 10€ (which involves faxing this here, posting that there and in the end you get it back from the insurance dudes anyway) but she couldn't be bothered and said that since it's christmas it's on the house grin

The one thing I asked the Dr today is how far over can I go. Apparently they review at 40+8 and if everything is fine and I really want to hmm they will let me go to 40+10 but thats the max. So... you have a choice bean; you can leave on your own whenever you like; otherwise you will be evicted on the 4th or 6th Jan

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Fri 28-Dec-12 10:34:50

Morning, just checking in to wish Gen a whole lot of brooking, hope you have a plan in place (or better still a snuggly new baby to sniff) smile

BartletForTeamGB Fri 28-Dec-12 14:31:40

Check out FB for Gen news!!!


MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Fri 28-Dec-12 14:37:39

<Squeee> thank you Bartlet wonderful news!!!!!

BartletForTeamGB Fri 28-Dec-12 14:39:24

nutella, the timetable for your German doctors sounds great - perhaps we should move there! smile Unfortunately the only German I can say is, "Ich bin 12 Jahre alt" and "Dies ist eine Hexe" and even then I had to check out Google Translate for the spelling! Brooking for a sneeze birth for you.

clicking, I am on leave now. The MW will come round in a few weeks to talk about the HB, but she did say she was very surprised that a doctor was wanting to book one and even more surprised when she realised that DS had been born at home.

SparklySanta Fri 28-Dec-12 14:42:54

Ooooooh no fair, I don't have Facebook!!! But I'm assuming its something lovely and warm and snuggly?!!!!

clickingtock Fri 28-Dec-12 15:00:53

Ooh how lovely, Gen. So excited for you.

Why was MW surprised Bartlett? Not usually doc's territory? Why was DS HB a surprise tho?

Too busy today, making me confused

Any news Nuts? Xxxx

BartletForTeamGB Fri 28-Dec-12 15:02:10

Have sent you a PM, sparks.

BartletForTeamGB Fri 28-Dec-12 15:15:27

tock, I think doctors, including me until not long before DS arrived, are very nervous of HBs and significantly overestimate the risks. I only know of one other doctor who has had a HB but generally my friends have been very surprised/shocked that I would even consider it. I can't even have a sensible conversation about the HB studies that show safety without most doctor friends rubbishing the studies without even having read them! hmm The problem is that, after medical school when we have to do a certain number of normal deliveries (I've assisted at normal deliveries and at elective sections as a student), the only deliveries doctors get involved in are the complicated ones that have gone a bit pear-shaped.

The MW who delivered DS said after it was all over that she was surprised to see a doctor book a homebirth but she hadn't wanted to say while I was actually giving birth! smile So I just think that MWs don't expect doctors to go for HBs or to have done it before.

We are trying to be busy today, but DH is working much harder than me, so I should probably go and help.

My parents are both doctors, bartlet and still haven't quite got over me having HBs even though my brother was nearly born in the car

itsMYNutella Fri 28-Dec-12 15:58:21

Awww I'm guessing Gen has some good new squishy baby news! Hope it all went well and mum and baby are well?

Nothing happening here.... Had to wait in all day for an awesome (huge) parcel! Little bro sent (German) DP loads of crisps - which DP loved and they also sent us a loads of beautiful knitted things from little bro's DGF's Mum... So errr MIL once removed? Anyway, some pink, some blue and all beautiful! And a knitted teddy! Will try to post some pics later.

DP obviously got very excited about the crisps ate two packets (small normal size packets), then a cookie (which I cooked yesterday) and is now asleep on the sofa... I'm fairly sure men are only adult shaped, and miss some adult thinking ... So I'm tidying up and wanted to go out for dinner with DP but since he's had crisps and a cookie and keeps moaning about his weight (sympathy pregnancy weight gain <eye roll>) I'm not sure he's really in the mood hmm

itsMYNutella Fri 28-Dec-12 16:22:20

Although... He is probably tired because he was up late last night and awake early this morning because I am very hormonal pregnant occasionally... And getting fed up with a developing head cold... Bless him. He is a big soft sweety. Will try and do more sports with home in the new year wink poor DP. He's awake now and I owe him some cuddles.

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Fri 28-Dec-12 17:28:10

I want to divorce my DH for general twuntery!! angry he has been twunty in my hormonal opinion all twunting day!

itsMYNutella Fri 28-Dec-12 17:53:18

boo better not let my DP and your DH see this... they might collude against us... or are we already colluding against them??? DP offered to vacuum then decided he didn't want to... so I left the vacuum cleaner out for him while I cleaned the bathroom and did the washing up tidying the kitchen in general... he hasn't vacuumed... hmm

TheLittleFriend Fri 28-Dec-12 18:00:39

boo my dp is also twunty today, due to getting in at 2.30 steaming drunk [ hmm]

Loving Gens fb news, can't wait for more details.

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Fri 28-Dec-12 18:02:36

Stupid twunty men sad

sorry for slow update! DS born this morning by c section. his heart rate was dipping a bit so they decided to get him out sooner rather than later. good job too as he was a bit wedged under my ribs with cord round neck 3x. scary but all was well and he is gorgeous smile

MissLToeishavingsantasbabyboo Fri 28-Dec-12 18:48:07

Ooh congratulations Gen thanksthanks

TheLittleFriend Fri 28-Dec-12 18:52:07

So happy for you Gen. It's always seemed like you've been a tiny bit ahead of me during the brooking process, through the bad times and the good. Now you have your lovely little boy, I feel very emotional for you, and slightly freaked that it means I'll have mine soon!

So Nuts and Tock up next, with Whims not far behind. Then its our turn, triple whammiers. Lots of excitement still to come! grin

thank you!

scarletfestivefingernail Fri 28-Dec-12 19:13:03

Huge congratulations Gen. I'm so happy for you. My very first brooking cycle buddy! So thrilled you have your baby at last.

JenFrankincenseAndMyrrh Fri 28-Dec-12 19:18:53

Congratulations Gen he looks lovely

Smeggnog Fri 28-Dec-12 20:00:08

Congratulations Gen! He's beautiful smile

So glad you're both well. Thank goodness for modern medicine!

itsMYNutella Fri 28-Dec-12 20:45:26

Congratulations Gen!! Great to hear that all is (now) well and you have a happy healthy baby.

My bean is cosy where it is... But if anything changes I will let you all know smile

GreenOlives Fri 28-Dec-12 21:49:26

So pleased for you gen, so glad all is well. DS is gorgeous! grin Hope you're back home as soon as possible. Xx
The babies will be coming thick and fast over the next few weeks!! grin

Biscuitsandtinsel Fri 28-Dec-12 22:12:24

Bit late to the party but marvellous baby news from gen and stacks smilethanks

Good work girls! smile

Really really pleased for you both xxx

NewYearNewBoo Sat 29-Dec-12 16:49:22

:::::Twirls::::: Tis I, Boo, MissLToe seemed a bit out of season now, I will be looking for a permanent name change soon, I have decided that Princessishavinababyboo is a bit too .....erm....... in the news, cos there is an actual princess (sort of) having a baby sad Any suggestions welcome as long as I have my Boo!

Stacks Sat 29-Dec-12 19:20:43

Hi everyone. I'm at home with DS now, and a little... occupied. Hoping to get some time tonight to catch up and post from laptop.

Congrats Gen!

TheLittleFriend Sat 29-Dec-12 20:59:17

Ah, those little newborns do like to keep you occupied! Glad to hear you're home Stacks smile

Hope everyone is enjoying family life over the festive period. Anyone bothering to go out on NYE? I've never been a fan of it, pregnant or not, so don't mind staying in at all.

NewYearNewBoo Sat 29-Dec-12 21:13:03

Ooh baby snuggles on your own sofa grin that is great news Stacks smile

I'm staying in too Little I have never liked going out on new years, far too busy everywhere, plus baby sitters are very hard to find and I like the idea of starting the year as I mean to go on, my little family boo all together smile

WinterSolstice Sat 29-Dec-12 21:20:08

Gen awwww congratulations, lovely thanks

And glad you're safe and sound back home Stacks

Little that sounds like a perfect NYE to me!

Happy New Year to you all x

Stacks Sat 29-Dec-12 21:47:40

I've got in in my head that babies, especially brand new ones, need lots of close time. So DS has been with me constantly since he was born, with only the occasional nap in a cot/crib. He's a wee star and incredibly well behaved - breastfeeds for 5-20 mins, sleeps for 1-3 hours, check nappy and repeat. He doesn't cry much, except to protest at the time it takes to get from waking up to breast, and even then it's obviously protests rather than genuine distress.

I think lots of people would love to get 3 peaceful hours peace at a time with a newborn, and indeed, I do love it. However my activities while he's sleeping beside me are limited to one hand and a phone mostly. I'm also still very tired from the CS and hospital stay, so reading/posting on my phone becomes quite a challenge. Tonight I have DS on the bed snuggled against my thigh while I'm on the laptop, but at only 9:30 I'm already thinking of turning in for the night.

Quick birth story for you, of sorts in next post...

Stacks Sat 29-Dec-12 21:48:45

Started induction with the pessary on 22nd, put in at 3pm and sent home for 24h. No progress really expected by the doctors, and none achieved really. Examination next day showed cervix too far back to sweep and closed, trace showed DS was happy in there, and regular-ish contractions. Left for a 24h rest, but as now 42w I wasn't allowed home.
No sleep due to crying babies, and next morning was put on a trace. Trace showed I was having mild contractions, but less than night before. Then I decided to change position (sat up), which brought on some contractions but also a big drop in DS's heart rate. It would have been a bit of an emergency situation, but no one noticed at the time, and it was only seen on review of the trace a few minutes later - at which point DS has obviously recovered well. However, given the drop they decided to accelerate the induction and send me over to labour ward to get things moving asap.
Doc examined me and found I was 1-2cm, and cervix really far back. However she did a sweep and sent me off to walk around for a couple of hours to see if things progressed. I had quite a lot of bloody show, but no change on re-examination so she broke my waters. I was put on a trace and left for a while, and at some point it was decided to start the drip. I managed a couple of hours of the drip easily; contractions were very evident and quite painful, but TENS and walking around was sufficient. Then she turned up the drip by one more notch (about the 5th or so increase) and suddenly I was in agony every contraction. At this point I was about half way through the 'lets see what happens' stage, with 2h till and exam, and 8 hours till anything 'useful' was expected. So I tried GA which didn't help, and logically looked at the time remaining + current pain and decided I was going to end up with an epidural and it might as well be sooner rather than later!
Epidural was good, worked well, and didn't take away nearly as much feeling as I'd feared. I could still easily tell when I was having a contraction, but wasn't in pain from it. However, 25m after getting it in his heart rate dropped and Drs came rushing. Drip stopped, rest given, drip started, epidural topped up - and same again. 6cm at this point.
Consultant was phoned for advice and she decided best to get him out now. It wasn't an emergency, but it was very likely he'd keep having these episodes over the next 4cm + pushing, and so we'd end up with a CS anyway.
CS straight forward, DS born at 3:30am. He was given to Dr to check over and DH stayed with him, then had skin to skin while I was stitched up. I was given him in bed with me when taken out of theatre, and we managed to breastfeed in recovery room.

As he was a Christmas baby we also got given a present from the hospital, and the chance to be in the papers if he was the first born (he wasn't, someone beat me to it at about 1am).

NewYearNewBoo Sat 29-Dec-12 21:59:37

Wow!! Just wow Stacks you really did so well.

BartletForTeamGB Sat 29-Dec-12 22:01:03

Well done, Stacks. Sounds like you are doing a great job now and did a great job giving birth. You have had lots of surgery, I think, so I hope that doing a semi-emergency section rather than a real Cat 1 emergency one made things easier for them doing the op and for you recovering. Would love to be able to admire photos when you have both time and energy!

Boo, I looked up the Wikipedia page on "Boo". What about BooRadley? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boo

Ooh little we're going out for new year: to a neighbour's 10 yo's bday party. Life on the edge and I predict being home with the boys about 9.

Glad to hear you sounding so positive stacks. Your lucky chap sounds like he's getting lots of lovely cuddles.

Hello everyone else. Mince pie?

GreenOlives Sun 30-Dec-12 08:09:19

Well done Stacks! Sounds like a bit of a prolonged ordeal but you appear to have taken it all in your stride and DS sounds very happy and chilled! grin Keep taking it easy with lots of rest and brew biscuit
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GreenOlives Sun 30-Dec-12 08:18:24

Also meant to say I am with the staying in brigade on NYE! I start work at 7 on New Years Day so even if I wanted to go out it wouldn't be very sensible with such an early start. Is it wrong that I take great pleasure in waking up the pathetic hungover people that litter our dept every New Years morning? Nothing gives me more pleasure than being all bright, breezy and loud as we get them up and out!! [evil] And giving them hospital gowns for the journey home when their own clothes are too soiled to put back on! grin Whims Your plans for NY sound good - at least you can say you're going to a party! wink

Stacks Sun 30-Dec-12 18:26:40

I'm going to go out on NYE to my SIL. It's a party for people with no other plans. I think we'll head over with DS early, stay for a little while to show him off and see friends. Then come home. I very, very much doubt we'll be there for midnight. Most likely tucked up in bed at home. It sort of counts though, right?

One thing is certain still , DH and I won't be drinking. Even not pg or on standby for the hospital trip smile

SparklySanta Sun 30-Dec-12 18:38:09

I'm team stay at home too, well technically I'm going to my mums but that doesn't count!! I can't stand all the hassle, and these days I have zero energy anyway!!

clickingtock Sun 30-Dec-12 19:50:37

Of course I will be busy having a baby on NYE gringringringrin Talking of which, Nuts update SVP...

SparklySanta Sun 30-Dec-12 20:48:22

tock that's a great way to spend nye and an excuse to never ever go out on nye again!! Brooking!!!

Twinkle is due on summer solstice so am thinking a trip to Stonehenge before hand might guarantee a sneeze birth!!!

NewYearNewBoo Sun 30-Dec-12 21:02:32

Booby is due may 3rd, I am hoping for a may day baby (same as my db) all those lovely birthday bank holidays, DH on the other hand wants booby to come a day late so he can call it Luke, may the 4th be with you hmm

scarletfestivefingernail Sun 30-Dec-12 21:43:20

<boak> at soiled clothes Olives. Do you work in A&E? You must see some hideous self-inflicted sights this time of year.

I'm a fan of staying in on NYE. We have done for years even prior DC. I like going out the rest of the year, just hate pubs on NYE.

Great birth story Stacks. I wonder if the next brooking baby will be 2012 or 2013?

GreenOlives Mon 31-Dec-12 07:35:42

I do indeed work in A&E Scarlet - unfortunately the self inflicted hideousness is a year round occurrence but it definitely ramps up a gear at New Year!! wink
tock Im loving your NYE plans! grin grin

SparklySanta Mon 31-Dec-12 10:16:22

Urgent brooking required for my Nan she's been taken in to hospital!! And in my heightened emotional state I'm struggling to hold it together!!!

NewYearNewBoo Mon 31-Dec-12 10:26:17

Oh Sparks {{{{{hugs}}}}} and hand holding, brooking a plenty for your nan thanks. Do you mind me asking why she was taken in?

SparklySanta Mon 31-Dec-12 10:36:26

Pneumonia, she's been unwell for a few days but we thought it was a bug!!

NewYearNewBoo Mon 31-Dec-12 10:42:48

Well they know exactly what they are dealing with, and will be taking extremely good care of her. I'm brooking she will be just fine.

JenFrankincenseAndMyrrh Mon 31-Dec-12 11:11:17

Brooking for you Sparks

Boo we were hoping that DD would come a little early and be a Star Wars baby too. She was only 25 days too late for that

Smeggnog Mon 31-Dec-12 11:21:21

Stacks wow that's quite a story! I hope you're recovering well, you sound very relaxed and happy. Have a very lovely new year smile

Sparks brooking very hard for your grandma - I'm sure they're taking excellent care of her.

Olives I think you need a vuvuzela to send those hungover poorly people on their way with proper New Year cheer grin.

We were supposed to be going to a friends' house for a celebration with kids etc tonight, but I feel so wiped out after Christmas week (and the obligatory cold) that we're staying home instead. Jools will help us see in the new year.

itsMYNutella Mon 31-Dec-12 12:19:42

Brooking for your Gran Sparkle! So sorry to hear she's so poorly. Big squishy hugs being sent your way!

Well scan on sat and sun showed too little amniotic fluid so they are now having a bash at inductionhmm Not much happening and I'm quite bored. DP is as awesome as ever and keeping me company and trying to help me relax and stay calm.
Otherwise not much happening. Much as I wish it would. Ho hum...

BartletForTeamGB Mon 31-Dec-12 12:24:47

Urgent brooking for SparklyNan. Hope she gets well soon.

We are going out to friends' tonight with a number of families, so that'll be nice. We'll take DS's travel cot with us, but I'm not sure we'll stay until after midnight anyway as I am exhausted. It took me hours to get to sleep last night and then DS woke us (I think he has a wee cold) at 6am. I'm not needing any Gaviscon at the moment so that's good though.

Boo, DH could have almost have been a Star Wars baby. He wasn't but it does work out nicely that we can celebrate his birthday with a BBQ over the May Day weekend, so, yes, aim for that weekend!

BartletForTeamGB Mon 31-Dec-12 12:26:00

Crossposted with Nut. Brooking for an uneventful induction and a sneeze birth. What birthday do you prefer? Hogmanay or New Year's Day? Just so we know what we are brooking for. smile

NewYearNewBoo Mon 31-Dec-12 13:26:04

Ooh Nut a new year baby smilesmile good luck with the induction, brooking you get a lovely quick sneeze birth!!

I wrote the bit below and realise I am just ranting and getting it off my chest, you don't have to read it all, it was nice just to get it down!

Just got back from mw, they needed to re do my thyroid blood test, apparently a tsh count of only 0.38 is not ideal smile (I think 1.5-2.5 is what I am aiming for) although this time they did say that my dizzy spells are probably due to low blood pressure (99/68) and didn't blame my thyroid for once! they have also had a look at my care plan, the hospital want me to go in for blood test results at 24 weeks (I can now do that by phone) scan at 28, 32, 36 weeks due to my history of big babies, (Toddly boo was 10lb 3.5 oz, but mw said today that is probably not necessary at I am 5ft 10 and DH is 6ft 3, she would be surprised if I didn't have a large baby, and I gave birth with no problems last time) so she will ask about cutting that down to one or 2 scans and keeping some of my appointments with the community team instead of it all being done at the hospital. Sorry that is a lot of info, but I was getting a bit stressed about how many appointments was having at the hospital, it is miles away, DH can't always come with me and the clinic always runs late and parking costs a fortune

TheLittleFriend Mon 31-Dec-12 13:38:53

How exciting nuts, hope it all happens quickly and easily for you smile

Sparks, brooking for your gran, she's on the best place

Boo, that does sound like a lot of growth scans, hope they can cut them down for you

SparklySanta Mon 31-Dec-12 14:07:22

What you ladies do? Would you go visit her or stay away for risk of catching something? Considering I've only just got over the flu and have asthma!! I really want to see her but I really really don't want to be ill again!!!

NewYearNewBoo Mon 31-Dec-12 14:14:23

I assume she knows your news, I'm sure she won't mind you not going for now, send love/cards/flowers with her other visitors so she knows you are thinking of her, and make a big fuss when she gets home.

clickingtock Mon 31-Dec-12 14:16:43

Nuts, so excited for you. Hope it goes smoothly. thanksthanksthanksthanksthanksbrewthanksthanksthanksthanksbiscuitthanksthanksthanksthanks

Sparks, so sorry for your Gran but hope they sort her out ASAP. hmm

Boo, brooking for simpler prenatal care for you. I have found going to MWs every fortnight inn local primary school fairly tedious so can't imagine how you must feel. Always extra annoying to pay loads for parking when that money could be spent one Lindt... wink

I have fought off a touch of tonsillitis after v stressful day on Fri but have nasty sciatic pain, guessing tinitock is v low now. Hopes for an early birth dwindling but I just have to enjoy the lull. Whims might beat me to it at this rate. All these brooking babies like to stay put don't they??!

BartletForTeamGB Mon 31-Dec-12 14:17:41

"Just got back from mw, they needed to re do my thyroid blood test, apparently a tsh count of only 0.38 is not ideal"

Aargh! Why can no-one manage thyroid disease in pregnancy???

That sort of TSH is completely and utterly fine! Yes, check it again in 4-6 weeks after the last one, but it is nothing to worry about. TSH should be trimester specific anyway, as HCG is a very similar molecule to TSH so can falsely bring down TSH as measured in the lab for the first half of pregnancy. Just wanted to reassure you that it is nothing to worry about.

Ooh nut I hope you have a straight forward time and get a lovely baby soon.

And thinking of you and GrannySparks sparks. I would try to stay clear if poss - when,MrWhim had swine flu the hospital was most upset about me visiting. She'll understand. Can you,phone?

BartletForTeamGB Mon 31-Dec-12 14:23:26

Sparks, I would visit her. You can't catch pneumonia. Obviously, in hospital and out, there is lots of winter vomiting, so keep following all the usual hand hygiene stuff, but I would visit if it was me.

tock, glad that your tonsillitis came to nothing. The sciatica will all be better soon when tockbean arrives but you have my sympathy until then.

NewYearNewBoo Mon 31-Dec-12 14:33:00

Oh thank you Bartlet I was led to believe this was not a good result at all, and my mw just called, she said they will do the gtt at the community clinic so I don't have to go to the main hospital for that! smile having a much better day now.

clickingtock Mon 31-Dec-12 14:57:00

Thanks Bartlett, you are cheering us all up. How is your leave going? Enjoy your party tonight. Whims too. The rest of us will live vicariously. thankssmile<waves to Smegs, enjoy Jools>

BartletForTeamGB Mon 31-Dec-12 15:15:27

My ball really helps my sciatica, but stopping picking up DS made a big difference, tock. I'm glad to cheer you up. I can't turn round in bed or go upstairs without pain, but I am telling myself that it will all go when the baby comes. I am quite excited about tonight, more so I can start saying, "I'm having a baby next month." [hopeful smile] (Surely the baby won't make me wait until March...)

clickingtock Mon 31-Dec-12 15:36:29

I'm telling you Bartlet these brooking babies like the warmth of the oven, you may well see the ides of March... I can now say my baby "is due on Thurs" but I'm beginning to wonder if I'll be dealing with another 40+14. Sigh. Need diversions and not sciatic ones. Poor you, it will be so fab for you when it's all over and you are snuggled up with your beautiful newborn. Xxx

JenFrankincenseAndMyrrh Mon 31-Dec-12 15:37:13

Got any Thinking Day plans Bartlet? Baby is bound to interrupt them smile

BartletForTeamGB Mon 31-Dec-12 15:58:00

What if the baby arrives ON Thinking Day, Jen? Am I contractually obliged to call the baby Olave or Robert??? shock

SparklySanta Mon 31-Dec-12 16:05:30

What's thinking day?!

BartletForTeamGB Mon 31-Dec-12 16:12:45

Were you never a Brownie or a Guide, Sparks? shock


SparklySanta Mon 31-Dec-12 16:28:21

I don't think they had world thinking day when I was a brownie/guide!! But then u wasn't in guides very long so maybe I finished before they changed the name!!

JenFrankincenseAndMyrrh Mon 31-Dec-12 18:36:14

It's been going since 1926 so you must be really old Sparks if it wasn't around when you were a girl grin

JenFrankincenseAndMyrrh Mon 31-Dec-12 18:38:05

My DC is due next month but the beginning so it will be here by the 22nd. We are hiring the local secondary school and having an indoor campfire for the whole district

NewYearNewBoo Mon 31-Dec-12 18:48:27

Going to wish you all a very HAPPY NEW YEAR hope you have a fabulous night whatever you're doing and hope 2013 gives us all pain free sneeze births and beautifully behaved children smilesmilesmile

GreenOlives Mon 31-Dec-12 19:01:47

smegs Im loving your evil wake up idea for the hungover poorly people tomorrow grin grin
nuts Good luck lovely, not long now until lovely new born snuggles! It may be that the brookers will produce a new years day baby as well as a Christmas day one! grin Keep your energy up with lots of brew and biscuit
sparks Brooking for your nan! I would definitely visit her just use the hand gel etc. I know I've had a dose of Norovirus but that's the only bug I've got in pregnancy (touch wood!) and that's with working full time in hospital.
boo Glad appts are a bit less of a bind now, nothing worse than trips to hospital and lots of waiting around!
bartlet I was a brownie but I don't remember Thinking Day at all blush Hope you have a lovely time at your get together tonight and that sleep is a bit easier too!
tock Well it does seem that tinytock was teasing us with that early show - here's hoping the sciatica is a sign that things are moving in the right direction! smile
gen and stacks Hope you're enjoying your beautiful boys and managing to rest up a bit too! thanks
Waves to little and all the other brookers I've missed because this silly app will not let me scroll back like the old version did! angry
Things all good with me apart from normal third trimester moans! Hips and pelvis/pubic bone very painful in bed but bearable when im up and about and Ranitidine is still my saviour on the indigestion front! smile Baby olives still appears to be doing full turns inside so I have no idea from one day to the next if he/she is head up or down! Does anyone else have numb patches of skin on their tum? The baby's bum/head often seems to be on the right side of my belly and I have very much reduced sensation on the skin there which I presume is just because its so stretched? I just don't remember having it with DS!
Anyhow, time for bedtime story now so I must dash! Happy New Year lovely ladies - may 2013 bring health and happiness to all (and lovely babies!) grin grin grin

SparklySanta Mon 31-Dec-12 21:52:33

jen you're cheeky!!! I read the wiki link and it said something about it only being renamed as world thinking day in 1999 so I assumed there was something else which was then 'rebranded' I certainly don't remember them making a big fuss about it 'back in the day'

JenFrankincenseAndMyrrh Mon 31-Dec-12 22:08:18

It was known as just Thinking Day before, when I was a Brownie back in the late 80s/early 90s we used to celebrate it. We had to bring in a shiny coin for the collection and generally did international activities around that time to remind us that Guiding is all around the world

SparklySanta Mon 31-Dec-12 22:45:32

I vaguely remember doing something about France and the other sixes having different countries, maybe that was it!!

BartletForTeamGB Mon 31-Dec-12 23:17:59

Well, I am home and in bed. I couldn't quite deal with a big party tonight, so DS and I are in our respective beds while DH went back. I hardly slept last night, felt so tired but not sleepy, so hoping I'm asleep before midnight tonight.

sparks, yes, I seem to have missed the rebranding as well but sounds like you did do Thinking Day. Can jen and I tempt you back to Girlguiding? It is all Jen's fault that I have my very own Brownie pack after she started a thread here. How is your nan doing?

olives, glad you are doing well. I am on omeprazole and I think it is amazing! I've no idea where DC3 is, but I am seeing the MW on Friday afternoon so I'll ask her what she thinks then. The baby certainly has spells of wild wriggling and twirling.

SparklySanta Tue 01-Jan-13 00:20:20

I don't think wgrin have guides round here, it's far more 'gang culture' lol

Happy new year lovely brookers, bring on the 2013 babies!!!!

Where's everyone gone? Hope you all had good new years. Here's to a happy healthy and baby-some 2013.

BartletForTeamGB Wed 02-Jan-13 14:03:21

Hello, whims. I was wondering where you had all gone too! Happy New Year, Brookers!

babybartlet has been misbehaving the last few days and not moving very much. I had to keep lying down on the my left side to check that all was well and would get a little bit of wriggling, but then, this morning, there was nothing so I went up to the maternity hospital. For the first 45 minutes of the CTG, the baby hardly moved although the heartrate was fine but then, finally, woke up and had a good wriggle. Could have done with that a LOT earlier! He/she seems to be OP at the moment, so I'll need to spend a lot more time on my ball (sitting bouncing on it at the moment as I type.)

clickingtock Wed 02-Jan-13 16:09:37

Hope you're ok Bartlet. Just a sleepy baby putting on weight and v relaxed? X

Frootloopz Wed 02-Jan-13 17:11:09

Happy new year brookers!!! Hope everyone had a lovely Christmas and New Year!!

V v late to the party but huge congrats to stacks and baby Thomas - pretty intense birth story but what a lovely Christmas surprise!!!!

Also congrats to Gen and her lovely snuffly DS.

Brooking for nutella amd hope babynutz is out and being snuggled as we speak!!

Also brooking for sparksgran and for bartlett - glad to hear minibartlett was just yanking your chain!!

Smeggnog Wed 02-Jan-13 17:20:39

Happy New Year all. Hope babies & brookers are all well?

Bartlet DD2 was a bit like that, although had her moments of activity. I had to drink vast amounts of iced water in the MDU so that she would move during monitoring. Of course it turns out that she was just a very chilled out baby - still is! Hope it's the same for babybartlet. How many weeks are you now? <babybrain>

Any babies imminent? I feel a little spoilt lately with Stacks & Gen - more, more!

Blimey bartlet how stressful. Glad all ok.

I think nutella should be sneezing as we speak smegs, then tock then me in a fortnight. Busy busy!

Smeggnog Wed 02-Jan-13 17:56:52

Oh dear lord, I forgot about Nutella! blush Hope the induction went ok, and you're enjoying newborn snuggles nuts.


whims how's the US birth plan then? Is it all going to be very different to your previous births?

tock hope babytock is ready to go.

clickingtock Wed 02-Jan-13 18:13:58

Whims, are you expecting to go overdue then? Good for brain development, apparently. I remember you saying your other DC came after Edd. But it is only a guess date, isn't it?

Thanks Smegs. All fine here, bump seems to have grown a lot in last few days, v low and from what i can tell still LOA so can'tncomplain. Show was just a tease but I feel v relaxed and looking forward to seeing tinitock when s/he decides to make an entrance. So great that DD2 is so lovely and chilled. How is your health post-birth?

Brooking for Nuts, hope you're ok love. Peanut with us yet?

Waves and brew biscuit to all other brookers. Xxxx

TheLittleFriend Wed 02-Jan-13 19:08:02

Oh bartlet, what stress these babies can cause before they're even born! Glad all is well.

Whims, hope your NYE kids party was exciting. Any exciting Pre-labour signs yet?

Tock nice to hear you're feeling chilled. It's got to be good for the bump.

Smegs good to hear from you. Yes, another glut of babies coming up, it's very exciting around here right now. Brooking super hard for the ttc'ers to get lots of bfps, as lots of people are graduating.

Nuts I hope all is well and you're little one is here.

So, 33 weeks tomorrow and I'm feeling very unorganised. Really need to get some paint on nursery walls, clothes down from loft for washing, all other equipment down for checking, hospital bag stuff bought and packed..... And the list goes on. I'm sure I had all this done by now with dd! Please reassure me you're all the same grin

Yep, all others late: 6, 8 and 10 days by both dates and scans tock. I'm booked in for induction 3 days after due date, so yes, somewhat different smegs. The hospital is basically prepping you for a section from the minute you walk in, so I figured I might as well do it at my convenience. I'm petrified by the prospect though!

X post little. I'm due next week and we don't have a cot yet. Babe will have to sleep in a laundry basket. (we have actually ordered one. Yesterday)

GreenOlives Wed 02-Jan-13 20:09:19

Be reassured little that I am just as disorganized as you! grin I only have 4 shifts left at work now (last one is next Weds) so I keep telling myself I'll get on with organising when I've finished work hmm We shall see! wink

clickingtock Wed 02-Jan-13 20:47:30

Hello Little and Olives. 33wks'seems early to have everything organised to me. I only packed a just-in-case hospital bag yesterday (39+5)... blush lovely to think you will be on mat leave soon, btw.

Ooh Whims I'm brooking for you, don't like the sound of you feeling petrified. Hopefully all will go well as you're such a pro. Nowt wrong with a laundry basket, eh? So 16th is a big day for you? We will brook extra hard.

Haven't q got my head round the fact it's 2013. I think my edd tomorrow is making everything a bit surreal, but other than that life feels like a nice reliable routine ride and can't tell the difference. I'm sure a new baby will give me a good wake-up (and stay-up) call. Anyone else feeling a bit surreal and floaty? smile

Dying to hear from Nuts.

And agree we need to brook for the ttcers to move over here ASAP.

itsMYNutella Wed 02-Jan-13 21:10:40

Baby Theodor Ruben arrived yesterday at 7:19am (after a very long night and an epidural) he has lots of blond hair and is 3030g (6lb 11oz) and 50 cm long.
Not how I expected to celebrate NYE grin but we're very happy. He is tiny, and feeding well, gorgeous, perfect and smells fantastic. Finally know what everyone means about that new baby smell!! smile

Will try and bash out a birth story when we get home. But before we leave, because he was this hospitals first baby this year, the hospital boss will present us with a bunch of flowers before we go home smile.

Happy new year Brookers! Wishing you and all those awaited smile the very best of health and lots quick straight forward sneeze births!! X

NewYearNewBoo Wed 02-Jan-13 21:13:45

Aah Nuts huge congratulations, that's amazing well done, so pleased for you, another lovely little man with a lovely name, sounds like you did really well thanksthanks

Nothing beats new baby smell grin

TheLittleFriend Wed 02-Jan-13 21:15:02

Congratulations nuts, that is fabulous news. I LOVE his name smilethanksthanksthanksthanks

scarletfestivefingernail Wed 02-Jan-13 21:27:17

Congratulations Nutella wonderful news. I LOVE his name, if DD had been a DS our top 3 names were Theo, Reuben and Lawrence. Great choice!

So pleased to hear all is well Bartlet

Brooking that it happens for you in the next couple of days Tock

Solars Wed 02-Jan-13 21:28:11

I don't think we've met Nutella but congratulations thanks

Withalittlesparkle Wed 02-Jan-13 21:31:42

Congrats nuts love his name!! Prefect xxx

Another boy! I can't remember if we knew what you were having nut. Anyway, congratulations to you both, lovely name. Can't wait for our new baby smell!

JenFrankincenseAndMyrrh Wed 02-Jan-13 22:18:32

Congratulations Nuts thanks

BartletForTeamGB Wed 02-Jan-13 22:39:26

nuts, congratulations! Good name! (DS has one of those as a middle name.)

Anyone considering reusable nappies? We got this before DS arrived, but DH (wisely!) made me decide between reusable nappies and BFing in the first few awful weeks of DS not putting on weight, his tongue tie, my mastitis. I always intended to use them and never did and I don't think we will now. We don't have a tumble dryer and it is going to be wet and cold in February and we just don't have the space. I know I am a Bad Brooker! So, if only to assuage our guilt at using disposables....if a Brooker would like the pack in exchange for postage, then let me know and I will send it to you!

Amazed at little and the hospital bag packed already! I'll do mine at the end of the month. We are planning a HB if the scan next week is fine, so the bag can be to keep everything we'll need for the HB handy or to zip up to take to hospital. Even with DS, I didn't have much until 37/38 weeks. I figured that Kiddicare/Mothercare/John Lewis all did next day delivery so we had enough to get by for a day or two.

Smeggnog Wed 02-Jan-13 22:50:44

Congratulations Nuts! thanks thanks thanks thanks thanks

Lovely name smile

Smeggnog Wed 02-Jan-13 22:53:12

Bartlet Yes please! We kept meaning to buy reusables but got distracted by several big cost items. This would be great to help us get the hang of it.

Smeggnog Wed 02-Jan-13 22:55:14

Oops - meant to say thanks Bartlet. grin

BartletForTeamGB Wed 02-Jan-13 23:00:24

Excellent, smegs. Pm your address & we'll post them in the next few days.

musicalmrs Thu 03-Jan-13 01:02:13

Congratulations Nuts! Gorgeous name :-) Enjoy those newborn snuggles. (I'm not jealous at all, of course...)

clickingtock Thu 03-Jan-13 06:08:54

Nuts - over the moon for you. He sound abso gorgeous and I love the names too. thanksthanksthanksthankswinewinewinewinethanksthanksthanksthanks

Yes another lad for the team Brookers!

Bartlett I use those nappies and would love to have that pack. Please do PM me re' postage costs etc, thanks ever so!

Gotta read back and post properly. Xxxxxx

clickingtock Thu 03-Jan-13 06:10:10

Sorry - have just seen that Smegs beat me to it. X

Withalittlesparkle Thu 03-Jan-13 06:11:29

Oh my god, how did/does everyone cope with the tiredness?!?! I barely slept last night and now I've gotta get up for work!!

TheLittleFriend Thu 03-Jan-13 07:45:44

Bartlett, you must have misread me, that is a list of things I have not done. I certainly don't have my hospital bag packed! grin

BartletForTeamGB Thu 03-Jan-13 07:48:32

Phew, little, feeling much less inadequate now! smile

congratulations nuts! love his name and sounds like all went well. enjoy kissing and sniffing that little head!

just a quicky from me as on phone but all well here. ds is gorgeous and feeding well etc. dd is very sweet with him and I can't believe how lucky we are.

good luck to the next two brookers, tock and whim. then it will be the triple whammiers!

Frootloopz Thu 03-Jan-13 10:25:29

Yay congrats nuts!! Is that three brooking boys in a row?? Do we know what the next brooking babies are or are they all UBBs? Beautiful name too smile

33 working days till my mat leave. Not that i am counting.......

gen lovely to hear everything is going well with Ds smile

Poor sparks hope you manage to get some sleep. Do you drive to work? I keep a pillow and blanket in my car and sometimes sneak off for an hours nap in lieu of a lunchbreak is that an option for you?? Or have you checked your DH isnt an idiot? Ive had a horribly bad back for months - went away for christmas and after a week in a new bed felt like a different person. Asked DH to take the mattress topper off our bed when we got home as i wondered if it wasnt helping. Watched him do it and saw that the mattress was the wrong way up and we have been sleeping for three months on the side with exposed springs. Apparently he flipped the mattress three months ago, even though it isnt the kind of mattress you can flip. He didnt think it was odd that you could see the bloody springs. Now that its the right way up again im sleeping like a baby!!!

clickingtock Thu 03-Jan-13 15:19:21

Whim and I are UBBs. Her EDD is 10 days after mine but that doesn't really mean we might not go for synchronised popping...

I think Little is having a DS and the other 2 triplets are UBB yes?

Thanks for brooking all.

Frootz, what a wally tho great you have an answer.

Have postponed tomorrow's MW app for a week to avoid a hosp' visit (app usually in local school). Just can't face hospital and nothing has changed for me except I would of course like to pop asap but without intervention. What think you Brookers to this move?

Gen enjoy every minute. thanks Hope Nuts is too. thanks

NewYearNewBoo Thu 03-Jan-13 15:54:31

Tock I think it is a brilliant move, I am trying to wriggle out of as many hospital appointments as I can at the mo and be seen by my community midwife instead smile

Froot do you know what you are having? I am also UBB.

clickingtock Thu 03-Jan-13 16:24:49

I know it's a bugger for you Boo. Feel slightly vulnerable at 40wks but there's no need....

NewYearNewBoo Thu 03-Jan-13 16:50:25

I do feel a bit ungrateful, they are only trying to look after me, but so many appointments, and some are just not necessary, my community mw can do just as much better I understand what you mean about feeling vulnerable, I think this is also why I am trying to take some control back over my care.

TheLittleFriend Thu 03-Jan-13 17:36:04

Good to hear from you Frootz, I bet you were relieved to get your bed problem sorted!

Tock, I am a bit of a worrier, so would think there could be blood pressure or urine probs I wouldn't know about, which would prob stop me cancelling. However, i feel like that only because of high bp at the end of pregnancy with dd, so I please don't let me make you doubt your decision, you know your own body smile

clickingtock Thu 03-Jan-13 17:41:30

Little, I do feel conflicted but bp has been unswervingly constant. I think I've decided that I'll try to give birth instead of MW app. wink If I feel at all wobbly I can book myself in at hospital clinic. It's not far to go but I have a slightly OTT fear of going there, partly as I'm spleenless so need to avoid major bugs just that little bit more vigilantly. Thanks tho! smile

TheLittleFriend Thu 03-Jan-13 18:00:17

Tock, I'm loving your plan to avoid mw appointments. So unnecessary once tinytock is here winkgrin

GreenOlives Thu 03-Jan-13 18:00:19

Massive congrats nuts! grin thanks Enjoy sniffing and snuggling that lovely boy of yours! grin grin I too love the name - Theo is on our boys name list!
Waves to all as too tired to name check today after crap nights sleep and even crappier busy shift at work!

Can't blame you for wanting to keep clear of hosps tock - I'd keep clear of mine given half a chance! US obs like to be rather intrusive, so since 34 weeks I've been fighting having my cervix checked at my weekly appt. There's just no need! I tell you , I've never once had a midwife check my cervix, except the couple of sweeps I had.

All booked in for induction in 10 days. They seem pretty surpised I want to go over my due date!

Frootloopz Fri 04-Jan-13 09:37:40

tock ooh synchronised births!! That would be an excellent brooking first!!! I hope minitock is compliant and helps you dodge the MW!

Boo UBB here as well. Im thinking its a boy, but have zero logical basis for this except that me and DH both call it 'he' (no preference either way, just guesswork!). I habe trouble thinking of it as a baby, in my head its a sort of small creature!!

whims oooh 10 days!!! (Now 9?) so exciting!!

I hope all the brookers with new snuggly newborns are getting on well smile

clickingtock Fri 04-Jan-13 10:10:19

That does sound annoying Whims, the sort of behaviour that could make your cervix q shy! V excited for you re' 9 days. Brooking.

Loopz, We mainly talk about he but also throw in a she now and again for good measure. There seem to be so many boys about at the mo'... Most of the people I know who have found out are having a DS. My DS still talks about his sister, we'll see if he has that toddler 6 th sense. If I remember rightly you have a DS toddler?

Another show here today but not taking it seriously after last time!

Hope all newborns and mums are snuggled up together. Off for haircut myself.


Frootloopz Fri 04-Jan-13 12:11:07

Hmm tock i dont think i have a toddler but nothing would surprise me given how crap my brain is grin . Seriously though miniloopz is numero uno so no toddler sixth sense here. I think we probably went for 'he' to counteract my mum constantly saying 'she'. I wonder if toddlertock is right about yours being a DD? Exciting about your show though!! Enjoy your haircut (assuming labour doesnt cut it short smile )

Withalittlesparkle Fri 04-Jan-13 12:30:01

Er the rat smackers have a new PSEPP!!!! Thought I'd share!!

NewYearNewBoo Fri 04-Jan-13 12:35:18

Froot/Tock I have a ds Toddly boo, We also call bump 'he' but I think that is because of 2 boy babies already. And the Toddly 6th sense will absolutely be right in our house as Toddly boo started out saying I had a girl baby in my belly and now he is saying I have a boy baby confused

Good news for the show, looking forward to hearing all about your sneeze birth very soon.

TheLittleFriend Fri 04-Jan-13 13:02:13

<waddles to the ttc thread as fast as she can to see who has got a bfp>

BartletForTeamGB Fri 04-Jan-13 13:18:05

Yes, we have a UBB here too. I keep asking DS if it is a boy baby or a girl baby, but he keeps changing his mind. I think it might be a DD...

Ooh, I'm having my hair cut today too tock. We will be such stylish new mums!

TheLittleFriend Fri 04-Jan-13 13:30:21

Very jealous of the haircuts, mine looks awful at the moment. I've grown out my bob as I thought I wanted it longer, but now it's got no style to it, so I just put it up everyday. The cost of a haircut suddenly seems extortionate though hmm <moan over>

clickingtock Fri 04-Jan-13 15:13:43

Ooh who is diffed?! Sparks please spill the beanlets.

Whims, I feel ready for birth now the hair is under control. I've even put on a bit of makeup for the occasion - unheard of! Little, it's bobs all round here after growing from a short 60s job. But thinking not great for nappy changing as not q long enough to tie back, so you'll be at an advantage there.

blush Sorry Frootz, I do have an overripe imagination /crap middle-aged memory

Lol at mini boo hedging his bets, Boo. We've had a bit of that here but I would say 75% predictions of a girl from DS. However, I'm not convinced myself and it could deffo go either way.

We've had some v late contenders re names so a bit befuddled. With DS we had his name securely lined up. Maybe that's why this baby refuses to be born!

GreenOlives Fri 04-Jan-13 18:25:50

Tock we're having an issue with names too! Last time round we had a boys and girls name firmly decided upon but this time we have about 10 on each list with no firm favourites confused I am hoping that one will suddenly jump out as being "the" name at some point! smile How is everyone else doing on the name front?

NewYearNewBoo Fri 04-Jan-13 18:35:12

Name nightmare!!! We had one of each last time, sorted very early on and we were really happy, now we have a list of only 2 or 3 for each and I'm not sure 'the one' is there sad there was a real contender for a dd name but then in town the other day there was a right little madame, clearly spoilt pfb little girl with that name sadsad I need help!

Withalittlesparkle Fri 04-Jan-13 18:47:54

face is diffed!!!!!

boo what's on your list?

NewYearNewBoo Fri 04-Jan-13 18:56:28

We have Amelia/Millie pfb's name Isla and Mia or Adam, Finlay, Ewan or Logan. I like the boys names more than the girls and there are 3/4 names so at least more choice than I thought.

Ps, don't tell anyone the names, I promised DH we would keep it to ourselves grin

clickingtock Fri 04-Jan-13 18:56:46

I think face joined just as I graduated. Anyway that's great news! thanksthanksthanksthanks

Olives we are exactly the same as you - long lists for both but not q satisfied with them. I think we're more sorted for a girl but seem to have gone back to the drawing board for a boy. It's something to do with us having more than 1 DC is it?

Boo, you would never have a pfb so feel free to stick with your fave and don't be out off.

TheLittleFriend Fri 04-Jan-13 19:00:23

They're all lovely names Boo, I particularly like Finley on your boy list.

Like others, we had two definite names picked last time, but haven't decided this time, despite knowing its a boy. He'll probably be Jude or Flynn though, Jude if I get my way wink

Aargh names! We will either end up with a girl with 6 names, or a boy we'll just have to call Boy. Come to think of it, Boy has a certain rakish ring to it. Phew. That's that sorted.

BartletForTeamGB Fri 04-Jan-13 20:55:50

First names sorted here. My DH and his sisters all have 2 middle names so that's 3 names each, so lots of deciding. The girl's names are sorted, but not the boy's.

GreenOlives Fri 04-Jan-13 21:35:28

You see bartlet you are organised - at least your baby will have a name when it arrives! grin
Boo Really like your lists. Finn, Ewan and Isla are on our lists too! And DS would have been Amelie if he'd been a girl! Can't have Amelie/Amelia now as one of my best friends has called her DD it!
Like your choices too Little, and its only fair you get final say after carrying DS for 9 months!
Whims Boy is an inspired choice! I think you've done well not to use it before! ;-)
Tock Perhaps we need to see our new offspring before we'll "know" their name - people keep telling me stories about how they had to see their child first to see what they looked like and therefore decide on a name, Im a bit hmm about that as I think newborns all look very similar and its only as they get older they gain real personalities IYKWIM? I can't be taking too long to decide because we're off on hols in May so babyOlives needs a birth cert then a passport asap!

I did think I would call them Child A, Child B and Control for a while green. Maybe this one should be
Double blind random trial? Or if it's a girl, Anomalous Result. Actually auto text just tried to write Anomaly. Sounds like a girl's name to .me!

scarletfestivefingernail Fri 04-Jan-13 22:31:31

Ooh I love a bit of name chat. Despite having used my favourite boys name and favourite girl's name I do still have a bit of wobble when I read all the lovely girl's names. DS has my favourite boy's name ever and I've never regretted using it. But sometimes when I look at DD...I don't know, I just wonder if I should have put a bit more thought into it. I loved it first time round but got to use my boys name and then when I was expecting her I couldn't really think of anything I liked more. Lara was a close contender but we decided against it because we'd only just thought of it confused But since then I heard another lovely girls name. Sylvie. Anyway, she has her name now and I still like it. Those of you on FB will know what it is. I just wonder if it suits her I suppose. We don't use it that much, she's "baby girl" most of the time.

I really like Isla Boo and Jude Little

I keep checking in for the next arrival BTW. Any chance of one making an appearance over the weekend? grin

NewYearNewBoo Sat 05-Jan-13 08:46:51

Scarlet your dd has a beautiful name smile I'm fingers crossed for Tock sneezing this weekend, she did have a second show .............. brooking for you Tock

GreenOlives Sat 05-Jan-13 08:53:58

Scarlet As you know I also think that our DSs name is the best boys name ever! And it suits him so well smile I also really like your DDs name too - it is still a strong contender on our girls list!
Whims May have to add Anomaly onto my list - hope you don't mind? wink grin
Come on Tock give us a sneeze!!! grin
Happy weekend ladies!!

clickingtock Sat 05-Jan-13 08:54:14

Boy rocks but I won't steal it. wink

Like all the names being discussed here. We Brookers have such great taste!

Got DP to discuss seriously for 10 mins last night sad but we do seem to have resolved it so now we really are ready. Totally agree with - was it Little? - that newborns all have a rather similar look and there would be a lot of babies named Prune in this world if we followed that rule....

Scarlett, you will just have to have another DD. thanks

All v quiet here, tinyTock seems far too comfy. Will have to get DP a-shaggin' whether he fancies it or not as he can be a bit of a panda bear on that front blush but have had a couple of good nights' sleep so that's prob helpful. C'mon tt.

Whims, just over a week to go eh? Unless DC4 decides to put all your others to shame by turning up early!

NewYearNewBoo Sat 05-Jan-13 09:15:39

Scarlet I should have said of course your ds have a beautiful name too smile

Come on tiny Tock we mummy wants to meet you properly grin god luck getting Mr T helping with the eviction!

cakes82 Sat 05-Jan-13 09:59:54

The names sound good Boo my DD is called one of your list. Dunno if its true but those of you who feel more strongly towards a particular gender of names or have more choices of names for one gender might be having a baby of that gender. I found and liked girls names more and had DD.

Love all the name chat! We had a last minute change of heart about our chosen girls' name, but as you know, we didn't need it. If it helps anyone, we originally liked Beatrice, then changed to Violet. Little, I love Jude as a boys name and it was on my list. In fact all the brooking babies have lovely names!

Come on TinyTock, time to come out!

Whim, exciting your induction is so soon too!

I sort of feel like we cheated in having DS so early - I should still have a week to go. But don't get me wrong - I am very glad he's here and he really is the cutest baby ever all other brooking babies excepting. Ooh, there he goes now, so I'd better get off the laptop and give him a cuddle!

Hope everyone is well, especially the imminent sneezers. Must check out the grad thread soon when I have time. I just hate posting using my phone!

NewYearNewBoo Sat 05-Jan-13 20:19:12

Aaargh just told db a couple of the names (top contenders) he turned his nose up at them, and sil just looked at me blank like I was a gibbering mentalist shock sadsad

Frootloopz Sun 06-Jan-13 00:02:45

Oh boo we have Logan on our list too. I think its our current fave for a boy. I think theyre all lovely, your SILs reaction is why i refuse to discuss names in RL!!

ScrambledSmegs Sun 06-Jan-13 00:27:45

Ooh, BFP in the air! Exciting!

Love the names talk. Weirdly I was more enthused with boys names this time, although obviously love DD2's. DH chose it though. He vetoed all of my suggestions but I thought they were lovely - Rosamund (Rosa), Dorothea (Dora), Iris... Yeah, ok, old lady names. But I like them!

For boys we had a nice 'normal' name, but I really wanted something fancier like Nathaniel, Barnaby, Benedict. Or Burn, like Burn Gorman, the actor. What an awesome name that would be!

NewYearNewBoo Sun 06-Jan-13 08:56:41

Well it is the last time I will do it, hopefully the excitement of meeting the baby will make them forget how 'crap' it's name is (especially if it is a boy, it is having db's name as his middle name) I do love my boy name list too smile still not so settled by the girl names though.

clickingtock Sun 06-Jan-13 09:20:55

Our DS - Rowan - was nearly a Logan too. Won't use it this time as sounds too similar. Gen we have a name a bit like yours for a DS2 but you'll be glad to hear not exactly the same. wink We have more confidence about girls' names this time round...

Anyone wassailing today? I'm quite sad about taking deccies down. hmm

How are all the snufflers? thanks

NewYearNewBoo Sun 06-Jan-13 12:05:58

Aah I like Rowan, we would have it on the list but our friends have a Rowan too. I am a lot happier today, went for a spin class this morning and 2 different people told me my bump was beautiful and looked really lovely smilesmile

Do you feel like anything is imminent Tock or Whims wink

clickingtock Sun 06-Jan-13 17:40:02

Hello lovelies. Not sure if my waters have gone. Bit of a gush on the sofa after just having a wee (not enough to affect sofa tho, phew wink). Now pinkish in pad. Getting strong period pains every now and again. Finding it hard to believe baby might be finally on the way. Could be another false start, eh? DP is setting up pool. DS is after bangers and mash for his dinner. confused Hope we can get him happily in bed without things getting intense. Like I say could be a false start; I really don't feel confident about this. Last time the contractions were thick and fast from the get go....

clickingtock Sun 06-Jan-13 17:41:02

Ps glad you had such a nice compliment Boo. smile Bet you have a lovely bump. thanks

NewYearNewBoo Sun 06-Jan-13 17:50:21

Ooh Tock that sounds very promising indeed, brooking this is it and baby Tock is finally on its way. Good luck lovely thanks
And yes I have a very lovely bump, it is a brooking bump and we have the finest bumps around grin well not for much longer for you Tock

Stacks Sun 06-Jan-13 18:00:21

Exciting Tock!! What great timing for me coming back to find you all to lurk some more smile

MN with a newborn is quite hard. Lots of time to read while feeding, winding, jiggling. Not very easy to post though!

Love the name chat, we ended up with two names on our boy list, Euan and T - decided to wait and see him first before choosing. Not because he'd 'look' like one or other, just to see which name felt more right at the time.

Telling people your name choices I'd such a bad idea! Everyone has opinions and don't think twice about giving them. We had real trouble with our choices in the end, as I knew certain family members didn't like each name for some reason. It feels wrong to name a child a name their grandad hates, but one his nan has decided you will name him because she likes it best.

TheLittleFriend Sun 06-Jan-13 18:57:59

Really exciting Tock! And of course so much less likely to be a false start now, you are past your due date after all. I think you'll have exciting news for us by the morning gringringrin

Feel free to ignore this next bit, but I'm just so uncomfortable hmm. My pelvis hurts constantly, and I'm ending up sitting up for hours a night as its unbearable to lay down. I am really ready to have this baby now. But of course, he needs to stay put a few weeks longer.

On a happier note, my star of a dp decorated the baby's bedroom this weekend, and now that the pram has arrived too, it feels like we are actually a bit organised! Though the freshly decorated room has already been refilled with laundry, boxes of stuff etc, as the baby will be in with us for a while. I just didn't want dp to be decorating when baby is here and I need his help! wink

SweetieTime Sun 06-Jan-13 19:54:04

Good luck tock very exciting times my dear. brooking for a lovely sneeze birth

little sorry to hear you are so uncomfortable. sounds like you are all good to go for the new arrival

TheLittleFriend Sun 06-Jan-13 19:58:09

Nice to see you sweetie, good luck with everything you've got going on. I had a little read of the ttc thread, but couldn't name check everyone so didn't post. I'll be brooking for you xsmile

ScrambledSmegs Sun 06-Jan-13 20:08:00

Ooh, tock that does sound promising! Hope it all goes well and the next thing we hear from you is that you're enjoying snuggles with your newborn!

Ooh brooking for you tock. Hope it's another lovely relaxed hb.

Sorry to hear you're feeling down little. Iwas in terrible pain with my pelvis last time so I really feel for you. I slept with a giant tubigrip round my tum which was some help. Plus a complicated pillow arrangement.

Hello everyone else. No sign of a baby here.

itsMYNutella Sun 06-Jan-13 22:06:42

Just checking in to wish tock all the best!! Sounds like it might be it!!

Baby T is a star (when mummy doesn't eat spicy foodconfused oops).

And just wanted to say YY to not discussing names - at least with family! One of my brothers sent me a text saying don't name your baby Theodor and wishing me a merry Christmas hmm he is the odd brother tho.
And DP agreed to Theodor as long as we dropped the e at the end because they pronounce all the letters in German and then it would sound like a girls name... Found out today that we could have kept the e... Not that it matters! grin

NewYearNewBoo Sun 06-Jan-13 22:18:26

Aah, with or without an e, it's a lovely name Nuts, not really bothered anymore what db says, ain't his dc, they're mine and DH's and we will call them whatever suits us!

Tock just wanted to pop in and say hope you're too busy to update, hope you have a good night and meet tiny Tock in a sneeze!! Good luck thanks

GreenOlives Sun 06-Jan-13 22:25:54

How exciting tock! grin Brooking hard for an overnight sneeze birth! grin grin grin
little Really sorry to hear you're struggling sad it sounds awful. I've been having problems with pelvic/back pain which is definitely worse in bed at night but I can manage about 5 hours before I get up and head to the sofa to sit up and try and catch some more zzzzs! I hope you are managing to get some sleep though. Its really not too long now until our sneeze births!! smile

Brooking for you Tock! not long now!

scarletfestivefingernail Sun 06-Jan-13 22:52:55

Ooooh Tock it sounds as though your baby is coming! It must be the real thing. So excited for you, I love UBBs (I love all BB arrivals of course, I just get a bit extra excited when we don't know what we're getting grin) Brooking for a baby by morning for you.

clickingtock Sun 06-Jan-13 22:55:09

Our beautiful DD was born in the pool at 8.06pm. Amazingly she is the exact same weight as her bro was and they could be twins! She loves BF! We feel so blessed. She's called Astrid Rae Arthur (daddy's surname). Will write about all your news soon and can give a little birth story if wanted. Thanks for all the brooking. You did wonders ladies... thanks

scarletfestivefingernail Sun 06-Jan-13 23:30:35

Tock I'm soooo delighted for you. Congratulations! thanks What a beautiful name.
Yes to the birth story please, when you get a minute of course!

musicalmrs Sun 06-Jan-13 23:36:51

Tock, congratulations! Beautiful name smile I hope you're enjoying your wonderful newborn snuggles. Sounds like a true sneeze birth too?!

Look forward to hearing the story smile

ScrambledSmegs Sun 06-Jan-13 23:38:11

Congratulations tock! thanksthanksthanksthanksthanks

Had a feeling we'd hear from you again today, so glad I checked in grin. Such a lovely name smile. Sounds like you're doing great, hope to see photos etc on FB sometime soon. I must put a photo of dd2 on there soon myself [crap fber emoticon]

Is your DS going to meet her in the morning? So lovely that he gets to wake up and he has a baby sister in his home. I hope you all enjoy every minute!

Withalittlesparkle Mon 07-Jan-13 06:38:09

Yay congrats tock another lovely brooking baby with a beautiful name

NewYearNewBoo Mon 07-Jan-13 07:07:44

Congratulations Tock beautiful name, yes please to the birth story when you have a mo smile enjoy your lovely snuggles. thanks

SweetieTime Mon 07-Jan-13 07:31:08

Congratulations Tock thanks thanks thanks thanks sounds like a very speedy sneeze birth after all. So exciting for you all, lovely name too. Enjoy those new born snuggles

GreenOlives Mon 07-Jan-13 07:49:28

Wow tock - that's fabulous news! grin grin grin thanks thanks thanks thanks
That was so quick too - would really love a birth story when you get a chance grin
And Im so pleased that your sonographer hadn't given the game away after all! grin DS may indeed have a sixth sense as he was right about his baby sister grin Love her name too!

TheLittleFriend Mon 07-Jan-13 07:53:52

Tock, congratulations, a proper sneeze birth thanksthanksthanksthanks

And what an absolutely gorgeous name, Astrid is just stunning. Enjoy her xxxx smilesmile

congratulations tock! I love her name and so happy for you that you got your home sneeze birth. amazing that ds was right re his little sis!

Solars Mon 07-Jan-13 08:41:04

What lovely news to get up to this morning, Ticketytock thanks thanks and what a gorgeous name! Congratulations to you and MrTock, so very happy for you thanks

clickingtock Mon 07-Jan-13 10:30:00

Thank you so much for your v lovely messages, giving birth with Brookers on your side makes it all extra special. Lovely to see Solars and Sweetie over here too. <waves n hugs>thanks Yes, it's amazing that DS was right and sonographer was such a tease. grin

Wasn't really sure if waters did break but I suspect so as we'd just had a walk in the woods with DS and dog. Luckily DP and I had given each other an extra sleep earlier too. After that I was on yoga ball by fire and chatting with DS as DP filled pool but cx got quite fiery and I got into bath. Felt a bit more intense than first and realised I needed DP to myself; bit clingy. He was trying to cook tea for DS as well as get room/pool ready. Phoned friend to help get DS in bed and then i got in pool with v excited DS pulling up a chair and stroking my hair. he gave me a toy tractor! DP decided to phoneMWs. I think trainee arrived just before 6.30. Two more -,all really lovely. Was surging every 2 mins by then. Q loud birth and fierce cx compared to first so gladbsomeone had helped with DS. Somehow they managed to ck my bp, then baby's hr, that was about all the checking they managed as was hardly a break between surges and I started to bear down. TMI but we got to use free gift of sieve with pool this time. grinblush Was a bit sick and after 4 pushes she crowned and shoulders came straight away: she needed me to pick her up from pool (8.06pm). Eyes wide open and only a little bit of crying. DP had been brilliant, v calm and +. I cut cord after a while. Placenta came a bit slowly nearly an hour later while DP had skin to skin. Poor MWs had loads of paperwork but we drank tea and they were v complimentary about birth. Couple of stitches which we debated as necessary but went for it just in case. Astrid fed til 2am ! and has had big sleeps. Loves the breast tho I can tell it will hurt just as much as first time. Will soldier on. DS was v lovely this am, cuddling, kissing and saying she is cute. Wants her to play trains.wink I've had a bit of kip. Feel,in awe of having a son and daughter. Oxytocin high? smile

Sorry not short and pithy as intended.... blush

Sorry also for mememe, will read your news properly soon. Thanks again Brooksters. Xxxx

GreenOlives Mon 07-Jan-13 11:17:18

Lovely birth story! grin Everything sounds so chilled and you sound so calm and happy now - it's made me a bit emotional! smile Lots of love to all the Tock clan! xx

<waves to all> just popping in to say congrats to tock and what a lovely name! thanks thanks thanks

GreenOlives Mon 07-Jan-13 11:27:57

And I've just looked up Astrid in my baby name book and it says it means "divinely beautiful" - perfect! smile thanks

NewYearNewBoo Mon 07-Jan-13 11:54:06

Oh my goodness Tock what a lovely birth you had, well done you and DH!!! And how sweet is your ds is wanting to play trains with her grin

You are clearly a super woman tock. And I must say I'm more than a little jealous of your lovely hb. You can't beat going to bed in your own bed can you! And lovely name too. I think we might have reached consensus here with ours!

clickingtock Mon 07-Jan-13 15:30:53

Little and Olives, so sorry about pelvis pain. I hope a paracetamol here and there offers a little relief.

Olives - hadn't seen that translation of Astrid, how lovely. Thanks. thanks

Agree with everyone that you need to be selective about who you can discuss names with. My mum hesitated over Astrid last night but seemed to have warmed by end of call. Would have been harder when still pg.

Stacks - you sound happy and busy. How is DH getting on with fatherhood?

Boo, toddlyboo will be just the same I'm sure.

Whims, brooking v hard for you. Still 10 days tho I'm guessing you'd prefer a bit sooner?

brew For all; we're getting thru the red bush here. Xxxx

Frootloopz Mon 07-Jan-13 17:16:53

Huge congratulations tock!!! What a fab birth story and such a beautiful name smile. Gosh another brooker baby. We definitely need some more bfp's to start filling all out grad gaps!!

BartletForTeamGB Mon 07-Jan-13 17:57:55

Congratulations and a wonderful story, tock. Really impressed it was so quick. I've been trying to decide about a birth pool at home for this one. I used it a bit with DS but he was born in our bed in the end and I didn't think it helped that much, but maybe it would help this time. I don't know! Tell me what to do!

I also love Redbush tea. It is our tea of choice whether or not I am pregnant.

We're not telling anyone names until the baby has arrived and we know what it is! I agree that people can tell you they don't like names until the baby arrives and then the worst they can do is, "Hmm, that's unusual..." wink

I am glad that tockDS has taken to his little sister! My DS is lovely and gentle around babies and loves holding their hands and cuddling them, but, of course, they always go home and I never hold them for too long.

Anyway, I am finding the whole pregnancy thing quite hard at the moment. I am vomiting again and have terrible sciatica. I can feel it right the way down my left leg and DS knows that I am exhausted and is playing up severely! Less than 2 months to go though. Sorry to be a grump!

tock, that sounds like a lovely birth story. so pleased for you.

bartlet, sorry you are suffering so much and hope these last few weeks pass quickly for you.

whim, you're next!

still going well with ds. he is adorable and I'm in that head over heels in love stage - aw!

NewYearNewBoo Mon 07-Jan-13 21:00:49

Hahaha, got to love my DH, conversation went as follows -
me: have you told work about your paternity leave yet, I think it needs doing by next week smile
him: not yet but we have ages I checked and I have to do it by 15 weeks before due date.
me: you do realise I'm 24 weeks this Friday hmm
him: of course, stop worrying, got ages yet shock hmm confused

his face was a picture when he worked it out grin grin grin

I am really sorry to hear about the pelvic/hip pains, I have no experience or advice just brew thanks brew thanks brew thanks

mwahmwah Mon 07-Jan-13 21:14:55

hello can I pop on? my little girl was born Saturday at 5.35pm after induction in the morning. gorgeous, 8lb 7oz, as yet nameless! dc number 3 smile

Withalittlesparkle Mon 07-Jan-13 22:19:13

Super quick post from team sparkle, had 16 week midwife check up today, All well with twinkle, turns out its a super wriggling baby as midwife spent ages 'chasing' it around with the Doppler, hearing the heart beat for seconds and then it'd vanish cus baby would move, this went on for 5 odd minutes before midwife declared defeat!!!

I've been told Im not immune to rubella, despite having my MMR which means injections after baby arrives, but that's no biggy just have to avoid people with Rubella!!

Oh and I'm Blood group A negative so I have to have an anti D injection at 28 weeks, although I'm not entirely sure what that means, but the midwife said it wasn't anything to worry about so I'm just having to put my faith in her!!!

Promise a less selfish post tomorrow

NewYearNewBoo Mon 07-Jan-13 22:27:33

Congratulations Mwah always lovely to hear about new babies, enjoy your snuggles smile

Sparks I was still a bit like that until the 20 week scan, now booby is kicking up a daily storm and kicking things off my belly I have definitely accepted it, even bought it some baby grows in the sales smilesmile really pleased you had a good appointment, but boo to the extra injections.

Congrats indeed mwah. And good to have a wriggler Sparks. How are you feeling bartlet? Sorry to hear you're vomming again. Is it tiredness related? I had one very sicky pregnancy, which was always exacerbated by tiredness. Hope it abates soon, nevertheless.

So I have a bit of a what would you do: As I'm sure you've all marked in your diaries / written on your fridges / synced into your google planner, I'm due this weekend, and have an induction scheduled for next Tues if there's no baby by then. However, my Ob seems to think she should check my cervix every time I go and see her. So far I've held out, but I have an appt on Thursday and was wondering if you all thought it might hasten things along? I'm not keen for any unnecessary rummaging, but then I would quite like to have a baby at some point. I have another friend due this week, and we're both convinced we're going to be pregnant forever in defiance of medical precedence.

So, go for the rummage or hold out?

TheLittleFriend Tue 08-Jan-13 07:42:37

Ah Olives, Bartlet, sounds like my triple whammy buddies are in just as much pain as me. Great to be able to say we've not got much longer to wait now though. We're next after Whims!

Hmm, would they do a sweep for you whilst they were examining you Whims? At least that might be more productive, despite being more invasive. Like you, I'd be keen to get things moving before Tuesday.

Great news about the wriggly baby Sparks. Not long before you can see it again at your 20wk scan smile

Congrats on your lovely snugly baby Mwah, we always love to here about them smile

Olives, Bartlet, what are your childcare plans for the big day? (Hopefully your ds will be asleep upstairs Bartlet I guess wink)
My parents will be having my dd, but I'm a wuss for leaving her, and never have overnight before blush

TheLittleFriend Tue 08-Jan-13 11:33:09

Just re-read my last post, sounds like I'm trying to get in to a 'who is in more pain' competition. I'm not, it came out wrong! blush

BartletForTeamGB Tue 08-Jan-13 12:04:01

I didn't think you were going for competitive pain, little! smile

As for childcare plans, I am hoping that DS can just sleep through it all upstairs and then we can just wake him up in the morning to meet his new brother/sister. If I go into labour during the day or if I need to be induced or admitted as an emergency or anything like that, then we have friends who will take DS. She is Dutch and all 6 of their children were born at home so they are very supportive.

whims, I'd go for the sweep. It might not do anything, but I did go into labour after my second sweep. Who knows if it was just coincidence but it made me feel like I was doing something to get things going!

sparks, lovely news re: the baby's heartbeat!

Frootloopz Tue 08-Jan-13 12:35:40

Ah sparks yay for a wriggly baby!! Im having my 28 week Anti-D injection tomorrow so ill tell you how it goes! I am O neg. have managed to avoid any falls which mean i havent had any anti D yet which is a miracle as i am so clumsy!!

Oh wow if its whims then the tripe whammy triplets next then i am after that!!!! Then boo then sparks?

whims im with you on team no unecessary rummaging so not sure what i would do in your position. I guess its a balancing act between that and trying to dodge induction?

clickingtock Tue 08-Jan-13 14:13:09

Bartlett, I couldn't do HB without water, but you are obviously made of stronger stuff. Our pool was £50 2nd hand but unused. Took about an hour or two to fill. You need a good, strong floor! Was q tough on DP as he had a lot to sort after MWs left.

Whims, worth a look down below? They shouldn't really do induction unless cervix is ripening a bit etc as it isn't really worth it. Hopefully mini whims will comply with your due date tho. Astrid came bang on 40wks after a carefully timed shagging weekend but +3 on scan edd. I also had q intensive acupuncture... Worth a try if you're apprehensive about induction? Brooking.

Sorry about back pains and sickness for some of you. V tough. I can report that most symptoms go quickly once you've popped, tho replaced by some other alarming indignancies and general bashed-upness... blush

I am over the moon but in cracked nipple hell despite lashings of lasinoh. Was the same with DS. Any tips <adjusts cabbage leaves in bra>

Should I be on the grad fred now? <lost>

GreenOlives Tue 08-Jan-13 18:48:27

No nipple tips tock but lots of empathy! I remember the pain of that oh so well from last time! I shall be watching intently for tips to avoid a repeat performance this time grin Officially you are a post-grad (but please don't leave us completely!)
whims I think I would go for the rummage option - you never know it may start things off!
little Definitely didn't sound like competitive pain to me either grin Us triplets haven't had the easiest of pregnancies but at least we've done it together wink DS will be looked after by my mum while im in labour. She lives in the same village as us so depending on time of day she may come here to look after him or he will go to hers. He has only stayed away overnight on a handful of occasions in his 4.7 years (only at my mum's) but im sure he'll be ok. He's used to me not being there because of night shifts and previous hospital stays so im not worried about that. Could your DD do a trial sleepover to get used to it before the real thing?

Ooh tock I feel your pain. The ends of my nipples have peeled off each time, although then they're fine. Paracetamol until they toughen up? And plenty of sympathy, obv.

You're welcome to stay here as long as you like, although I imagine the post grads will be equally happy to have you!

I'm beginning to wonder if heart burn can be fatal. I'm in agony! There just isn't enough gaviscon in the world. (and it costs $16 for a little bottle)

BartletForTeamGB Tue 08-Jan-13 22:58:06

whims, omeprazole is a WONDER drug! I have prescribed it so many times to other people but I never believed it would work as well as it does. I haven't touched Gaviscon since starting it. Worth asking your doctor about it?

Thanks bartlet. Gaviscon usually sees me right, but I've had a terrible time of it,today after eating Christmas cake at 4am. Hopefully tomorrow won't be so bad, and then it's only one hand's fingers to having a baby!

ScrambledSmegs Wed 09-Jan-13 09:46:04

Ouch tock, sounds painful! I've been quite lucky with bfing both times, it's not that bad - very lucky I know. However, an NCT friend who suffered badly swore by some sort of breast pad with silver in it, to promote healing. She said the pain wasn't as bad after she started using them. I haven't a clue where you'd buy them though, sorry sad.

And I haven't really joined the post-grads either. I feel a bit odd posting on there, I feel I know you guys much better, IYKWIM. Presumably when we all invade it will feel like home wink

ScrambledSmegs Wed 09-Jan-13 09:49:19

Oops. Fat fingers.

whims good luck for tomorrow - a few days after due date seems very early to me (13 days over here!) but I think it's worth it if you're happy. Brooking for you. Oh, and Omeprazole is great!

scarletfestivefingernail Wed 09-Jan-13 10:09:59

Hey you're all welcome to join us in post-grads, bring on the invasion!

NewYearNewBoo Wed 09-Jan-13 10:24:43

Hey all, quick question, does anyone else get nose bleeds?? I am averaging 2 a day at the mo sad they started when I was washing my hair too other day (head down over bath) now it goes off when I do anything like blow or rub my nose which is hard not to do as I have yet another coldsad Also worth saying I never get nose bleeds when I'm not pregnant.

clickingtock Wed 09-Jan-13 10:44:39

Boo, is your BP steady? My DMa had this in pg but nothing else amiss, hth.

Whims, poor you. I got it near the end but not badly. Is it an encouraging sign tho? Hope you can take Bartlet's advice.

Little, hope it's ok for your DD to have a night with gma. I think you'll be q distracted so should fly by. wink Olives, great that your DMa is so close. grin

Don't know where grads live so will stick with you guys if allowed.

Smegs - glad bf is smoother for you. Wouldn't wish this on anyone, but after classic day3 weepiness + pain, I feel a bit better this morning. Astrid feeds for ages but she does also sleep well. My poor boys are both down with a cold though, so not an easy time here. V lucky that we got the birth we wanted beforehand. smile

brewbiscuit For all. Xxxx

TheLittleFriend Wed 09-Jan-13 11:00:28

Ouchy Tock, I remember early breast feeding being agony. Not looking forward to that bit again. My dd used to feed for ages like your dd is, which I'm sure doesn't help.

Boo, no ideas about your nosebleeds, but I would probably say it warrants a call to mw, just incase it's a sign of anything they need to keep an eye on.

Olives, like you, we are very lucky and my parents are in the same town. So actually, dd will be staying put when the big day arrives, and my parents will come here to look after her. So i really am worrying for nothing! I'm just a bit of a control freak, I stress when I don't have absolute control. You can see how childbirth doesn't really fit very well with that wink

Gen, Smegs, I think your dd's are approx same age as mine (3y 4m when due), how are they finding being big sisters? Mine is extremely excited and talks a lot about how she 'can't wait to meet her brother', but didn't seem pleased when I was holding a baby at playgroup yesterday.

TheLittleFriend Wed 09-Jan-13 11:01:17

Dd is also at preschool for the first time since before Xmas, hence the epic post winkgrin

scarletfestivefingernail Wed 09-Jan-13 11:54:15

Nosebleeds throughout both pregnancies for me Boo. My mum was the same.

My blood pressure was always a little on the lower side, but I think the reason was really to do with being more congested when pregnant, plus the blood vessels expanding.

Little my DD is 3yr4mo and she is doing brilliantly. She has had some brief displays of jealousy but has been better than I expected. While I was pg she was excited but often said things like "I don't want the baby to come out" and like yours, didn't like it when I held other babies. She loves her little bro though and is always trying to kiss him!

Stacks Wed 09-Jan-13 12:59:27

Hey. I need you all to come over to grads.. or I can stay here too. I feel a bit strange being the only one really posting there with a newborn and all the silly questions. They've all been lovely though, so do come over sometime!

tock I feel for you. My nipples are really sore, especially my right one - it's like fire when he feeds! However, I think I'm still lucky as no cracking or bleeding, just pain. I really need to sort out T's latch, but am struggling. First HV visit today, hoping for some advice and maybe a referral to the clinic. Went to a breastfeeding group yesterday (where everyone knew each other, with their 6mo babies). Was a bit awkward but the HV that runs it showed me a new hold. It seems to give a better latch, but requires T to hold his head up on his own for the whole time, which I think he's a bit young for. There's another group I can do tomorrow, and a La Leche on Friday. Really hoping to find a comfortable hold that gives a good latch.

T woke up and interrupted my posting, then the HV turned up (T has put on weight, up to 9lb 1oz, from 8lb 8oz at birth grin) so I'm going to port now and read all the cross posts, then repost.

Stacks Wed 09-Jan-13 13:21:54

Oh, I don't think I said congratulations tock, a lovely birth story too. I'm quite dissapointed with how everything turned out with T - I really wanted a relaxed water birth and to experience labour and delivery. I'll just have to have another baby I guess. Though I won't be low risk next time after the CS, so no MW led care? Anyway, glad everything turned out so wonderful for you.

Gen glad to hear things are going well with you and DS. They are sooo adorable at this age.

Boo it's funny how the men don't really realise how soon babies come, even though they're intelligent enough to do the math. Hope DH got his leave sorted.

mwah congratulations!

Sparkle glad your check went well, wriggly babies are the best. Hope the anti d stuff is all stress free. I don't know much about it but it seems pretty common and so should all be routine and straight forward.

Whim I'd go for the rummage, it can't hurt well, it might, but not in the sense that sentence means. Hope you don't get to the induction either way though, brooking for a spontaneous pain free labour for you.

tripple whammies hope you all have miraculously better hips etc tomorrow. The last bit of pg is hard but worth it. Not long now!

Whim I hope the heartburn is temporary because of the Christmas cake. Otherwise I second the recommendation for omeprazole. I've been on it for years. I recommend starting on the lowest dose of 10mg though. Doctors seem to start you out on 20 or 40 mg, I cut myself right down from 40 to 10 with no recurrence of symptoms at all.

Waves to everyone else not name checked. Little T is sleeping on my chest, and just did a proper upset sounding cry in his sleep. I think he must be dreaming but I want to wake him up and tell him it's all ok sad I don't like that my tiny baby can dream a bad dream sad sad

stacks he's probably just dreaming you took a nipple away! Wait a month or two and he'll chuckle in his sleep and you'll cry at what a lovely boy he is.

Hope all the sore nipples clear up soon.

I thought I was going into labour last night, but it would appear excess gaviscon has a profoundly laxative effect.Fortunately I feel much better today.

tock the pg thread is in being a parent then pg clubs. You could go over there and make sure it's cosy for me!

NewYearNewBoo Wed 09-Jan-13 19:54:28

Ouch Ouch and ooh, it has been 15 years since I successfully BF'd a baby and I can't really remember Ouch about the pain (except for feeding through mastitis once shock), have already alerted DH to lanisoh and where to get it from. Big sympathy for the poorly nips.

Glad to hear all the few mummy's and brooking babies lie doing so well smile

I have an appointment with the mw next week, will mention the nose bleeds then, can't remember who mentioned bp, mine is stable but a little low.

ScrambledSmegs Wed 09-Jan-13 23:49:05

I've found a few breastpads which seem to promote healing and claim to soothe. Some do both!

Pure wool

Raw silk & wool

Gel soothing pads

Sorry if it seemed like I was boasting about lack of nipple pain blush - but to explain why I'm 'lucky' I had a shocker of an experience last time when a midwife stood over me, insisting that I bf a distraught and probably starving DD1 for about 5 hours straight when I was hooked up having a blood transfusion in the middle of the night. Finally the evil old witch midwife agreed that I had no milk, and agreed to feed her some formula for me, while I got a tiny bit of rest. But my nipples were in shreds. After they healed I had no more pain breastfeeding, and haven't ever since. I presume I've been preternaturally hardened by my experience hmm.

BartletForTeamGB Thu 10-Jan-13 12:15:45

Just popping in very briefly so can't write much but just wanted to say that I found breast shells very helpful. If anyone hugs you, they must think you are wearing a Madonna style corset with a pointy bra, but it kept fabric off my torn and bleeding nipples and allowed them to get some air and were better than ripping off the breast pads that stuck to the wound each time.


I've been having a few minor nosebleeds as well, but nothing major.

Growth scan this afternoon, so will report back later. This is our final chance to find out the baby's sex but I don't think we will.

TheLittleFriend Thu 10-Jan-13 14:03:55

Gen, great to hear your dd is doing do well as a big sister smile

Stacks, hope you sort T's latch. I found in the very early days that dd's mouth just seemed too small! They seem to learn how to do it better after a while, but take all the advice you can get too.

Good luck with scan Bartlet. Has there been an issue with his/her growth, or is this still checking baby doesn't have a missed medical condition?

I had 34wk check with Mw today. All fine, and he is already on LOA position. Just got to keep him there for the next 6weeks!

Well I've just been for my rummage. Apparently I'm 1cm dilated, but the ob doesn't think that means much, so I'm still on for Tuesday. It's bookclub tonight and we're having curry, so I might put MrWhim through his paces when I get home and see if that gets things going!

Whims I didn't get to 1cm until day 3 of labour grin Fingers crossed jumping Mr Whim does the trick.

I've been watching One Born Every Minute and it is making me far too broody. I'm unemployed so can't afford another one sad

NewYearNewBoo Thu 10-Jan-13 17:14:32

Ooh, Whims hope the rat smacking does the trick!!

BartletForTeamGB Thu 10-Jan-13 18:14:01

whims, get back to that rat smacking! Hope it works.

34 week scan was booked for reasons that are not entirely clear as everything seemed to be fine. Unfortunately, the baby has grown a bit too much if anything and I've got borderline polyhydriamnios (excess amniotic fluid). Most likely reason (remember I do diabetes as my job!) is...gestational diabetes! Grr!

So GTT booked for next Friday morning and checking my blood sugars (I have connections to get blood sugar meters etc wink) 7 times a day until then! I saw my consultant who is very calm and reassuring about it all and expects it all to be nothing and is happy for me to email him with results and is even fairly positive about me having a homebirth. Just need to see what all the results are.

Anyway, I am a Brooker so it will All Be Fine! smile

Got to dash again but will catch up soon...

Yuck, does that mean more of that gloopy drink bartlet?

I heard a man describing something as being like smack the rat the other day. I did such a double take at him!

scarletfestivefingernail Thu 10-Jan-13 19:15:50

All will be fine Bartlet. Not long now...

whims apparently being 1cm dilated is normal for 2nd baby or more. The cervix doesn't fully close again after 1st baby so your might have been 1cm dilated for yonks. Fingers crossed the curry and the SWI gets things going.

Rubber I also felt a little broody watching OBEM last night shock. But I definitely won't be having any more. Main reason being financial.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I figured scarlet.

scarletfestivefingernail Thu 10-Jan-13 19:57:20

Something else that is never the same again eh whims? grin. Add it to the list.

Withalittlesparkle Fri 11-Jan-13 06:55:40

Am I the only person who watched OBEM and wanted to vomit? The babies bit was lovely but was there any need to do a close up on the blood coming out the woman's fru fru?!

NewYearNewBoo Fri 11-Jan-13 09:28:12

I have watched a couple of obem and found myself very grateful my bump stops me seeing my fanjo doing any of that! I like seeing the new baby but all the ick and blood <boak> [squeamish emoticon]

Withalittlesparkle Fri 11-Jan-13 12:23:06

im beginning to get rather terrified of the whole birth thing!!!

A list of what I dont want to happen:
I dont want to poo
I dont want to vomit
I dont want blood to be dribbling from me
I dont want to have to walk round in trousers after my waters have broken
I dont want to scream
I dont want to hear other people screaming

I realise all these things are totally beyond my control but just thinking about it all has me petrified!!!

When the time comes spark you really won't be that fussed! But it's entirely normal to worry...

I think bookclub last night did the trick. MrWhim is staying home from work and we're all set to drive through rush hour to hospital in a bit. Although actually I've barely had a cx for the lady hour. I hope this one isn't messing about!

That would be last hour, not lady hour.

NewYearNewBoo Fri 11-Jan-13 12:55:07

Ooh Whims so that means you have been having contractions smile good luck thanks

Try not to worry Sparks by the time you are in labour the list is the last thing you will be thinking of wink

Gah, I'd forgotten how boring this am I aren't I bit is...

NewYearNewBoo Fri 11-Jan-13 13:38:18

Oh Whims we will keep you company. So what has happened up until now?

TheLittleFriend Fri 11-Jan-13 13:40:00

Just a quick one from me to say good luck Whims! smile

And Sparks, have you considered a home birth? You wouldn't have to hear others screaming.

NewYearNewBoo Fri 11-Jan-13 13:46:26

Sparks ask if they offer tours around the birth unit you will use, all the room at mine were sound proof, I didn't hear a peep, it could be very reassuring smile also I didn't so much scream as hum and grunt between giving the G and A a good suck grin

Ooh I've had a show. First one I've had. Or at least noticed. Cx still a bit hit and miss tho.

NewYearNewBoo Fri 11-Jan-13 15:31:46

Ooh Whims I have never had a show either, it is all looking very good for an imminent sneeze birth smile

I'm now sitting in the car in a supermarket carpark while MrWhim hunts down the friend who's having the toddler. Home birth is so much easier!

clickingtock Fri 11-Jan-13 16:15:03

Whims, fab news. We're brooking like billio! Dying to meet whimlet4.

Smegs, shocked by your story of bf bullying. Thank goodness at least you now have nipples of steel. Hope you are feeling better after bleed, lovely. Poor you.

Little, can report that nipple shields are working for me and Astrid while I heal. Worth investing just in case? MWs don't approve but if it gets us through... Also I managed without with DS 3 years ago but now I've got two kids and can't sit around crying all day!

Sparks, you gotta woman up to it to get the great gift of a baby was my response... But you're right, it's pretty animal! Hypnobirthing helps with issues/fears. I never had much dignity in first place so poo/vom etc not my issue but I can't stand people taking control of my life so was determined to avoid intervention where I could. Btw - I didn't raise my voice in either of my births and even cracked the odd joke tho I'm afraid I can't deny the bodily fluids bit. If u get a water birth your baby comes out nice n clean. smile

Stasi you are doing fab with bf and T's body weight. You star. Keep using Lansinoh and latch shd improve because baby's mouth grows bigger. A better group anywhere with new mums like you?

Hugs to all. Hope sufferers are getting some rest.

I am in love with Astrid. Had bad day3 blues and got v worried about her cord which to my embarrassment fell off when I insisted on HV appointment, but it's all fine and she is only just shy of her birthweight this morning in MW visit. But had much better night last night and my boys did too. Everyone has sent such lovely messages and gifts, it's such a special time for us in it. <slushy emoticon> brewbrewbrew

BartletForTeamGB Fri 11-Jan-13 16:27:13

whims, hope this is it!

sparks, like tock, I can't deny that the sieve was used in the birth pool BUT I didn't shout or scream with either (albeit very different) delivery. When I was on delivery suite, I didn't hear any shouting or screaming from anyone else, and when I was at home, my neighbours didn't even realise that DS had arrived for several days when we knocked on the door to introduce DS to them!

My blood sugars are looking good, so hoping that the scan is all wrong! scarlet has said it will all be fine therefore it will be!

NewYearNewBoo Fri 11-Jan-13 17:16:18

Just thought I would share, Toddly boo has just come down stairs really upset cos he has bashed his leg elbow grin ooh too cute!!!!

clickingtock Fri 11-Jan-13 17:24:51

Bartlet, that's fab re' blood sugars. Scans can be misleading I've always felt.

Boo, that is v cute indeed. grin

clickingtock Fri 11-Jan-13 17:25:38

Ps can you tell I'm pinned to the sofa by Astrid? wink

NewYearNewBoo Fri 11-Jan-13 17:31:54

Best place to be Tock can't wait for my lovely snuggly sofa time grin

It's a boy!

musicalmrs Fri 11-Jan-13 20:33:38

Eeee congratulations whims!! thanks

Look forward to hearing all about it - enjoy your snuggles!

NewYearNewBoo Fri 11-Jan-13 20:34:07

OMG Whims already, you are brilliant, congratulations thanks when you have your breath back could we have a birth story (though I'm thinking it won't take long to write)

Congratulations again smilesmilesmilethanks thanks

Congratulations! thanks

Withalittlesparkle Fri 11-Jan-13 20:35:51

Yay congrats whim just the news I needed to perk me up!!

NewYearNewBoo Fri 11-Jan-13 20:38:08

What's up sparks??

TheLittleFriend Fri 11-Jan-13 20:44:27

Whims, congratulations! thanksthanks

That must have been a proper quick sneeze in the end. I bet you're glad you had that sweep now wink

Congratulations whims thanks Sounds like an extra quick sneeze birth.

BartletForTeamGB Fri 11-Jan-13 21:07:07

Wow! A good Brooking Sneeze Birth! Congratulations, whims! Very much looking forward to details because that didn't take you long at all! (I do hope he wasn't born in the supermarket car park!)

Goodness, so that means that the Triple Whammy Friday Rat Smackers are next!!! How on earth did that happen?!?!?

(Have used too many exclamation marks in my excitement - will go and register for Netmums without delay!)

SweetieTime Fri 11-Jan-13 21:07:30

Congratulations Whims that must have been super speedie. Glad things didn't get to Tuesday. Hope all is well and looking forward to the short birth story. Very best wishes thanks thanks

Withalittlesparkle Fri 11-Jan-13 21:13:44

boo nan still in hospital. Ended up complaining today because they 'lost her dinner'. Had bad day at work and generally feel really fat rather than pregnant!!!

ScrambledSmegs Fri 11-Jan-13 21:16:30

Congratulations, whims! thanks thanks That was quick! Looking forward to hearing the sneeze birth details.

NewYearNewBoo Fri 11-Jan-13 21:16:58

Stay right where you are Bartlet over using !!!!!!!!! can be forgiven this once as it is tripe whammiers next grin going to nethuns is unforgivable!

GreenOlives Fri 11-Jan-13 21:17:58

Wow Whims - congratulations! thanks thanks thanks Lovely news and I can't believe how quick it was! grin grin grin Im looking forward to the birth story when you have the time.

Very nervous that us triple whammiers are next! I am a little in awe of the sneeze births and frankly quite terrified that labour may be as long and drawn out as last time which was as far removed from sneezing as is possible to get! I need to chill out and get listening to my natal hypnotherapy cd pronto I think! smile I also have consultant appt and scan on Mon so maybe that will help curb my anxiety a bit?! confused

NewYearNewBoo Fri 11-Jan-13 21:20:29

Oh Sparks your poor nan, that is just awful, good on you for complaining! Boo to crappy work day too. I bet your bump is looking good smilesmile

Whims a million congrats! Well done lovely x

congratulations whim!

So, born 2.16pm. 7lb4. Will do details tom. Thanks for the brooking!

BartletForTeamGB Fri 11-Jan-13 23:09:23

So that's 7.16pm our time so just over 3 hours since the carpark? Good going! Looking forward to getting all the details tomorrow. Enjoy getting to know each other tonight!

Bartlet great that your blood sugars were ok. BTW, I had extra scans with DD because they were concerned about her being massive,plus loads of fluid. I had the GTT test which was fine.
They were right about there being loads of fluid <has flashback of waters breaking> but DD was born 10 days late at 8lb3oz although on the larger size not really the massive baby I was thinking she would be at getting on for 2 weeks overdue. I think scans can be way out predicting size. I'm sure you already know that.
She's a titch now though. 8 months old and only just 16lb. She looked very porky at birth, you wouldn't think she was the same baby now.

BartletForTeamGB Sat 12-Jan-13 11:16:36

"I think scans can be way out predicting size. I'm sure you already know that."

As I said to my very nice consultant, DrBartlet knows all of that, but MrsBartlet was having a harder time getting her head round it! smile The problem of knowing too much...

Must be very difficult for you Bartlet. My MW friend says that it's a good job she had her DC before doing her MW training or else she'd never have any.

Stacks Sat 12-Jan-13 12:10:01

Congrats Whims, can't wait to read your birth story.

Just a quick hi from me. I got out with T yesterday - from 10am till 4pm - turned into a really long day, and I forgot to take painkillers before going. Was nice to get out, but I should have started with something shorter. Ended up coming home and taking a nap with T, then dinner and another nap. smile

I've noticed people accidentally using my FB name... Not an issue as it was my MN name before last name change. However, DH wanted me slightly less obvious on here, so if we can stick with Stacks that would be great smile

clickingtock Sat 12-Jan-13 16:58:56

Whims, congrats thanksthanksthanks has your lovely boy got a name? team blue are forging ahead aren't they? i wonder if the triplets will contain a girl (not minilittle, obviously)..?

Sorry Stacks, just my baby brain was all. Hope you're recovered from adventures, take it easy.

My babysac/bump has shrunk at an alarming rate and Astrid's cord is already off and healed. Shame about the piles (squeamish peeps, look away)... Didn't suffer with DS. MW suggested a trip to GP ASAP but is that really necessary? Didn't a couple of you recommend Sudocrem?

Sorry about your nan. Brooking. thanks

Astrid has first cultural trip today. A couple of hours in the Nat Maritime Museum, mostly sleeping. smile too cold though so walk from car was a bit alarming.

Love to all, great to welcome another brooked-for baby into the world. Well done again Whim. Xxx

clickingtock Sat 12-Jan-13 17:11:07

Whims, btw that was birthweight of both mine - 7 4 - weirdly. Is that big or little among your 4?

Scarlett,your DD sounds so sweet and petite... X

GreenOlives Sat 12-Jan-13 18:21:42

Sudocrem worked wonders on mine tock! grin My bum is good as new now until labour no doubt! You look fab on the FB pic! grin

TheLittleFriend Sun 13-Jan-13 16:25:30

Hi all, hope you're all having good wknds? I'm laying on the sofa whilst dd plays on the floor and dp cooks a roast. Bliss!

I bought my primark mens size xl black vest for giving birth in yesterday, do that's one thing off the list wink.
We also fitted the buggy board my parents kindly bought us to the pram, which was a bit harder than it looked, but dd loves it.

Sorry to not name check, will catch up properly tomorrow
<praying for no snow so dd can go to preschool>

Hello everyone. Sorry to disappear. Things got a bit hectic yesterday. They do so many things to you in hospital. Blimey!

So, birth story, I'll try to be quick as big boys are entombed in the basement on the Wii and MrWhim and #3 are on a drug run for me. #4 is all cosy next to me on the sofa after feeding for 20 min every hour through the night, except for the times he fed for longer every hour.

As you know, the Ob had an uncomfy rummage on Thurs, then I went out for curry and came home and accosted MrWhim . I woke up on Friday morning about 5am with cramps, but wasn't sure whether I was off or not. Not fancying breakfast and spontaneously sweeping the kitchen floor rather confirmed it was labour not BHs. Sitting down made everything stop, so we all walked to school bus stop, then came home and did odds and sods then had another walk around our wierd Extreme Makeover: home edition neighbourhood which seemed to do the trick.

About 10 we decided it was time to take #3 to our friend, but she was out. Tracked her down to a supermarket 3 miles in the wrong direction from the supermarket, which rather focussed everyone's minds.

Got to hospital about 11, filled in numerous forms in triplicate assuring them we had insurance, income and the right to be in the country. Land of the free my arse. Had internal, was declared 4cm. There was a rather alarming chart in reception showing sizes and stages of dilation. You just don't want to know that sort of thing.

At some point the Ob came to meet us. Wasn't the one I'd seen, but from the same practice. She actually has a waiting list, so that people time their pregnancies for when she has a vacancy. What a system! Anyway, she was lovely, and was really well informed about my wishes and knew I'd had homebirths etc. MrWhim reckoned we'd be done by 2.30, although I had my doubts at that stage.

Things stepped up about 1, around 1.30 I thought 'ooh, I could have some paracetamol now' but shortly after that started growling. I had been leaning against a sink, but was required to shuffle across the room to lean against the bed instead. Then my waters broke. Then I started trying to take the rest of my clothes off.

Then I got cramp in my leg. I was already bearing down at this point, and couldn't communicate to anyone that I had cramp, so was trying to climb onto the bed so I could stick my leg out. At which point I had a baby. Half on and off a bed, half in and out of my clothes. Entirely unmedicated. It was some cramp.

One little tear, 2 stitches and delivered the placenta naturally. I actually think it was the easiest and least unpleasant of all 4 births, which considering the reservations I had about the system is astonishing. Obviously it wasn't the same as being at home, but I can't fault the staff.

Right, #3 is home and trying to eat my ibuprofen so I better pay him some attention.

Will reveal name just as soon as I've spoken to my folks.

Hope you've all had good weekends, and thanks again for all good wishes and messages and brookings. Made it all the more bearable!

TheLittleFriend Sun 13-Jan-13 17:29:59

What a fantastic, and very entertaining birth story Whims! Congratulations again, can't wait for the big name reveal grin

NewYearNewBoo Sun 13-Jan-13 17:36:52

Oh what a fabulous birth story Whims and so fast! Well done again. Can't wait to hear his name. thanks

GreenOlives Sun 13-Jan-13 17:47:19

Great birth story! We already know the name don't we? Thought you'd decided on boy or have you changed your mind?!! grin wink

He is Orson Edward.

NewYearNewBoo Sun 13-Jan-13 18:11:50

Oh what a lovely name smilesmile I like it very very much thanks

TheLittleFriend Sun 13-Jan-13 18:46:24

I'm in awe of the names the Brookers are churning out at the moment. That is a another cracker Whims, I love it smile

SweetieTime Sun 13-Jan-13 19:58:43

Fantastic birth story Whims glad all went so well. Loving his name too.

GreenOlives Sun 13-Jan-13 20:03:24

Great name! grin And lovely pic on FB, he's a cracker! grin thanks

clickingtock Sun 13-Jan-13 21:24:06

Great Story and names Whim. You and I had a lot in common with our little brooking babs: both 7lb 4oz, both gave us two stitches, both born with only paracetamol in our bloodstream. Similar timing for established labour do you think? I can just picture your ballet pose as Orson popped into the world. smile Bfing sounds intense. Astrid is being a bit kinder and only feeding once between midnight and 6am, though on the breast lots in the day. How are your boys feeling about their new brother? thanksthanksthanksthanks

Little, only right that you shd put your feet up. How are you diddling? And the other triple whammiers?

Struggling to decide between two options for guardians. Any advice? Shd we be choosing the same people as we chose for DS?


NewYearNewBoo Sun 13-Jan-13 21:33:07

Tock teen and Toddly boo have the same 3 god parents (they were baptised together) but Baby boo will have at least one, possibly 2 different ones. One because he has showed no interest since the baptism, the second because I'm not sure she is the friend I thought she was 2 years ago sad but I will decide later. I have no problem with them having different ones is what I am getting at.

Withalittlesparkle Sun 13-Jan-13 22:19:37

Such awesome names from the brookers!! Could someone's compile a list?!

I bought my first baby toy this weekend, little cuddly rat!!!!

Amazing name Whims he is a beaut! Hope you get some more rest tonight thanks

perhaps in 30 years time or so tock we'll be celebrating the first brooking baby wedding!

I imagine he'll swap day and night around in a few days. I've had a couple of naps today so not feeling too bad, and we're pretty much fighting off neighbours bringing meals around. It's really just a shame it's rained all day, so the boys haven't been able to play outside and they're all being a bit mad now. Still, we can put them to bed soon... (I've just realised anyone who doesn't know where we live will think I'm a terrible mother who puts her children to bed at midnight. Ah well.)

Frootloopz Mon 14-Jan-13 14:45:28

Ooh congrats whims a true sneeze birth and such a gorgeous name!! V glad you didnt pop the baby in the supermarket!!

I actually cant believe its the tripe whammiers next i remember that day like it was yesterday!!

This bit for sparks i had my first antiD injection on weds and it was totally fine, it stings slightly (like if you get lime in a papercut) but only for the few seconds it is in your arm. Didnt have any arm ache afterwards.

Has everyone had the whooping cough jab? Ive been told by MW to go and get it but am worried about it. I had the flu jab but as this is the first year theyve given preggos the WC i am a bit more hesitant.

Withalittlesparkle Tue 15-Jan-13 06:50:37

frootz thanks, I'm not really concerned, when I was in hospital was a broken bone I had to inject some horridness in to my stomach so sure the anti D cant be any worse smile

clickingtock Tue 15-Jan-13 09:05:56

Good luck with jabs. I'm usually q averse to meds etc as I'm a bit of a hippy but I did go for WC jab as I decided it was safer for baby than catching WC and I live in a city so more chance of catching it. Let us know what you decide...

Boo, thanks for guardian advice. DS has lovely guardians, two guys (gay couple) who are fab and he adores them. But for Astrid I have an older friend in mind who has no kids sadly, but is v kind and loving. She has one godson already. I'm never sure tho if it's a privilege or a burden. Sorry to hear your friend has disappointed hmm get someone else lined up, as you don't have much choice. DP And I are also v close to a couple that we have both known since school age (well, him, then i introduced them as she was a friend of mine from work).I feel they are v busy and might worry that it's a responsibility but the they might be chart we haven't asked... blush dilemmas...

Withalittlesparkle Tue 15-Jan-13 09:20:44

tock could you not wait a bit and see who bonds with Astrid the most? I'm a godmother, but to my Niece so not entirely sure that counts but I don't see it as a chore, just an excuse for more cuddles (may have entirely missed the point of a godparent being non religious and all)

Whim, I loved your birth story and the name. I suggested that name to DH but as you know, we decided on something different in the end.

Tock, no advice really re guardians, but I am working on DH re getting DS baptised and would want different godparents than DD has. Not because the other godparents are no good, just because I want to honor someone else with it if that makes sense. I have my BIL in mind as he is so lovely and was very supportive to this brooker when things were not going so well.

Froot, I had the whooping cough vaccination. In my opinion, it's not worth the risk as WC can be fatal in babies.

Little, I'm glad you're getting organised! We got a buggy board at the weekend and DD loves it. In fact, I did the playgroup run with DS and DD for the first time today and found it quite easy with DD on the board.

Triple whammiers next then!

BartletForTeamGB Tue 15-Jan-13 12:04:43

froot, I'm with Generic. There don't appear to be any risks to having the WC vaccine but might be significant risks to NOT having it. I had mine at 31/40. Gosh, I've just noticed that even tock had it! wink

Blood sugars looking perfect here so I don't think I have GDM, but still got to go for the GTT on Friday. Scan next Thursday to see how things are going. The vomiting has really settled down again, so I wonder if the baby was just having a growth spurt that has now settled down.

tock, we will have the same guardians for both the DC in terms of our wills. The guardians are DC1's godparents but we'll probably pick different godparents for DC3, not for a bad reason but to share the responsibility. I think it is a wonderful gift to be asked to be a child's godparents. We were certainly really touched when asked about ours (one we have had together since we got married, but also the ones we had as single people).

Lots to do this morning while I am feeling well so had better crack on. Hope everyone else is well. Not long to go now, fellow Triple Whammiers!

NewYearNewBoo Tue 15-Jan-13 12:55:13

I had my 24 week check today and I was told that a wc jab really would be best for me and booby. The check went very well, the little one got hiccups while the mw was listening in, ooh very cute!! I have also been advised to go for another scan for growth, will discuss when at my next appt, which is also gtt time sad

TheLittleFriend Tue 15-Jan-13 13:07:03

Really good news about your blood sugars Bartlet smile

And good to hear your Mw check went well Boo. My bump is getting hiccups loads at the moment, tis cute indeed.

Frootz I had flu & wc jabs at about 28 wks. I'm very pro-vaccination though, and take whatever's on offer wink

Dp is going to get the nursing chair down from the loft later and put it by our bed so I can try and sleep in it when my hips are unbearable at night. Save me dragging myself downstairs hmm

gen your boy's name was on our shortlist too! Great minds...

I was given the WC jab post partum, and MrWhim told to get one too. he'll have to get a doc first

So sorry to hear you're suffering little. I hope the chair offers some respite. My mum just had a hip replacement, and found she was comfier halfway thru the night going to sleep in a recliner..

Oh look that posted itself. Hello everyone else. I'm trying to do this left thumbed while feeding

cakes82 Tue 15-Jan-13 20:31:03

Whim am I right to understand you had DS then they gave you the WC jab? There was mention of them doing that in the UK but my DD was born in the couple of weeks after the vaccination program being rolled out so I never had it. Luckily DD has now had her first two jabs so no longer an issue.

Exactly right cakes. They also tried to keep taking my boy away to bath him andoffered to circumcise him every 10min. It's a foreign country I tell you.

cakes82 Tue 15-Jan-13 21:25:11

What?! since when has circumcision been such a big thing outside religious circles or medical problems? When I was in hospital the baby bath came to us,,,

It was on my notes as 'bathing declined' like I was completely deviant. 'because he won't smell like a new baby' was really not seen as good grounds for refusing!

Over here they tell you not to bath the baby for the first few days because it is bad for the skin.

TheLittleFriend Wed 16-Jan-13 10:16:10

I love the idea of Whims being seen as very naughty for not wanting to have her newborn whisked off to have his first bath given to him by a Mw smile. How long do people usually stay in over there? I bet you've come home early too haven't you wink

GreenOlives Wed 16-Jan-13 13:50:55

Hi ladies!
Hope the newborns are all well and allowing their mummy's to have a little bit of sleep between feeds! grin And I hope the mummy's are all healing/recovering well and have developed nipples of steel!! wink

Little Chair sounds like a great idea, hope you are managing to get some upright sleep once the bed becomes unbearable. My hips/pelvis had been better over the last couple of weeks but last night was awful and I'm really struggling with lower back and pubic bone pain today - ouchy!

Barlett Glad that blood sugars are good, I'm sure you'll sail through the GTT! Also glad to hear that the vomiting is improving again smile

Right, apologies in advance for this me, me, me but I really would value your advice ladies. I saw my consultant on Monday and I was hoping for a bit more of a "plan" regarding the birth. All the way through he has hinted that he feels a section would probably be the best course of action due to DS's shoulder dystocia and as much as I had reservations about that I think I was gradually coming round to the idea (especially after reading positive elective section stories on here). However he now seems to have done a U turn! Clinic was really busy and running an hour behind and so I didn't get a scan sad therefore we have no idea whether this baby is potentially a big 'un like DS. He suggested that it would be sensible not to go overdue (DS was born at 41+2, labour started at 41 weeks) and so asked me to think about induction at 39 or 40 weeks, but in the same breath warned about the increased risk of interventions/emergency section that may follow after induction!! hmm I feel very confused about it all! Obviously after last times prolonged labour, forceps and shoulder dystocia the very last thing I want is a repeat performance following induction!! At least last time I spent most of my labour in the birth pool using my hypnotherapy techniques whereas the increased monitoring for induction would rule out the water (and probably moving around too!) My gut feeling is to just see what happens naturally (whilst trying every old wives trick to get things moving by due date at least!) And I guess when I'm in labour if things weren't progressing I would prefer to go down the section route rather than instrumental delivery again. What would you do ladies? I am feeling really stressed and anxious about it which is really not the right frame of mind to be approaching labour!! I think after all that has happened in our journey to have DC2 this feels like the final hurdle and I can't shake the feeling that something could still go wrong! I have started listening to my Natal Hypnotherapy CD again in the hope that will chill me out somewhat!!
N.B I am seeing consultant again at 37 weeks (and supposedly will get a growth scan then) but I'm not sure how useful that will be!

clickingtock Wed 16-Jan-13 15:09:42

Gah MN has deleted two long posts now. angry

Tricky one green. I don't really know what to suggest. Can you bear to wait until your 37 week scan?

MrWhim and I laughed at how well you know me little! We did indeed leave early. They want you to stay 48 hours after birth. We were in and and in 30. No doubt that's been written down somewhere too.

Hi olives, saw your post yesterday but didn't have time to reply. As you know, I had a section this time. It wasn't what I wanted - I very much wanted to try for a natural birth, probably a water birth. When I had DD I was like you and laboured in the water, which I loved, then ended up with a ventouse delivery as her position was a bit wrong and she had got stuck. This time I was hoping for a similar labour but hopefully without the intervention. Anyway, this obviously wasn't possible and I'm glad I had the section in the end and my overriding feeling is of relief that DS is here and he is ok, especially after experiencing losses and quite a long time TTC, similar to you. There are positives about having a section - the recovery has been better than. I expected and it's quite nice not to have the trauma to your fanjo! If you had an elective, you would be able to plan and know the date in advance, which is good from a child are pov. The negatives if a c section are that you cant drive afterwards and cant lift things, although 3 weeks on, i feel fairly normal in most ways already. i did not enjoy the sensation of the surgery itself (not painful, but quite brutal in that you can feel them pulling e baby out, but that might be because DS was a bit wedged under my ribs) but it is quite quick and its a means to an end anyway, so having DS more tha made up for that. But if you would like to try for a natural delivery, I would recommend you go with your suggestion of seeing how it goes and have an open mind to progressing to a section rather than an instrumental delivery, if needs be.

Don't know if that helps, but DS crying now, so will try to pop back later!

GreenOlives Thu 17-Jan-13 13:21:06

Thanks for your thoughts gen and whims smile

clickingtock Thu 17-Jan-13 13:59:53

Trying again.

Olives, tricky and thought Gen's response fab. I think you're better off with an ELCS than induction. Can you go to 40wks before you have to decide. Poor you seems so much pressure.

Whims, glad to see you are giving the US rule- makers a run for their money.

Forgot what I wrote to the rest of you but hope you are all surviving. Oh, Little, hope the nursing chair did the trick.

Astrid is an amazon, allegedly. She is up to 50th % in weight already (was 25th) and is over 98th for length (though I suspect mismeasured at birth). I also got delivery report from MWs and pushing stage lasted 14 mins! Shame that my pelvic floor hashing rock bottom. blush Boobs toughened up now, luckily.

Thanks for guardian advice and stories, vhelpful...

TTFN and brooking...

Well done tock. Just as well she didn;t come out like that!

TheLittleFriend Thu 17-Jan-13 20:06:27

Olives, that sounds like a tough decision, but the advice from our fellow Brookers is great. Remember, how that baby gets here is not the important bit xx

Tock, sounds like you're doing a sterling job of feeding that lovely girl. Glad your boobs have got used to it too wink

Right, can you all please reassure me that lots of pregnant women eat as much chocolate as me? I just can't stop shoving the stuff in my mouth, and I'm scared the baby is going to be huuuge because of it confused

It's the chocolate that makes the baby smell so good.

GreenOlives Thu 17-Jan-13 20:44:19

Thanks for all your advice/opinions ladies, as long as baby arrives safely I really don't suppose it matters how! I just need to stop worrying!! smile
tock Go Astrid! No wonder your nipples took a bashing, she must have been feeding like a demon, that's a brilliant weight gain! grin
little Chocolate consumption is pretty regular here too, I have a particular love of creme eggs and feel the need to eat them 2 at a time! blush

clickingtock Thu 17-Jan-13 20:58:47

Erm non-preggos also a little too fond of choc. But it seems to be good for iron levels and makes v lovely brooking babies. My weight is at 10 stone despite all the indulging. Only a stone to drop but i'm not in a rush... Gotta enjoy the choc excuses. thanks

TheLittleFriend Thu 17-Jan-13 21:16:17

Olives, creme eggs are my weakness too. I'm having two a day at the moment plus another bar of choc

Whims, love your baby smell theory

Stacks Fri 18-Jan-13 13:51:11

Mmm, cream eggs. That shall be my goal for a walk today!

I craved lots of sweet things while pregnant. Didn't indulge as much as I wanted to, as I was worried about GD. I did have lots of doughnuts and chocolate bars though. You need quick fix energy when pregnant (and breastfeeding), chocolate is the perfect source.

NewYearNewBoo Sat 19-Jan-13 21:54:51

Hey ladies, hope we are all having a good snow weekend. I have a quick question about sleep. I keep getting cramp in both hips at the same time doesn't matter which side I sleep on, the only thing that helps is lying on my back hmm I have a small pillow that goes between my knees have any of you had similar or heard how to cure it?

As for sweet things, I decided after Christmas not to have any in the house cos I have no self control then we found a tin of roses and a tin of quality street that I forgot about sad shock

NewYearNewBoo Sun 20-Jan-13 10:39:29

I have an aibu/judgy pant hoik/what do you think situation.

We have a couple of good friends and they have 1 dd. Dd will be 1 in a couple of weeks and we have been invited (DH is the god father) the plan is to have the party then send dd off to grandma so the adults can go out on the lash (they also did this after dd's baptism too and by the look of the pictures it got very messy) we will of course go to the party but I feel a bit sorry for dd that now 2 of her special days have ended with her being sent away so the adults can party. Am I being a bit over sensitive and hormonal and this is usual? Or is this a bit hmm

Stacks Sun 20-Jan-13 15:08:53

Boo in my opinion, that's very weird behaviour. If the parents want a night out on the lash, they should do it on their birthdays/anniversary/any other day of the year. Not on the child's birthday etc. I guess if their friends and family won't gather on their birthdays, but make the effort for their dd, then it might be (almost) understandable. Not something I'd ever do though.

NewYearNewBoo Sun 20-Jan-13 17:48:06

They see a lot of everyone all the time. Most of their friends they see a couple of times a month and their family every week as family do the child care so they can both work. Well each to their own, can't help feeling sorry for the little one if this is how it is for her, all her special days made all about mum and dad getting drunk sad

GreenOlives Sun 20-Jan-13 18:23:24

Hi boo I get the crampy painful hips too, no useful tips im afraid but lots of empathy! smile
With regard to your friends I think its a bit odd and not something I would personally do but as she is so young she really won't know that they're out on the lash and I would guess she'll be tucked up in bed by 6.30 at her age. I hope its not something they keep up as she gets older tho! confused Did you see my post further up the thread about my birth plan dilemmas this time - I know toddlyboo was big, did you have any probs with delivery? And was toddlyboo much bigger than teenboo at birth?

NewYearNewBoo Sun 20-Jan-13 18:55:24

Hiya Olives sorry I didn't respond to your post above, I somehow managed to not see it hmm I will pop onto the laptop later (posting from my phone atm) and respond properly.

TheLittleFriend Sun 20-Jan-13 18:56:53

Hi all

Boo, sorry for not having a cure to suggest for your hips. If I knew one, of be a lot happier right now! (Other then the usual pillow between legs and something soft under sheet, which I'm sure you're doing anyway smile)
I agree that your friends night out wouldn't be my cup of tea, but I know people who have done similar. It was as if they couldn't imagine any celebration not ending with a piss up, which is a bit sad. Hopefully it will just be this year.

Olives have you had any more thoughts about your birth dilemma?

We've had a quiet weekend, though dp and dd did get out in the snow a bit. My pelvis is so bad today I've been struggling to walk from the sofa to the loo sad Due one month tomorrow though, which is a nice thought smile

GreenOlives Sun 20-Jan-13 19:59:23

Hi little Sorry to hear that pelvis is getting worse sad But you're right, its really not long now until DSs arrival!! Did you have spd first time round? And if so did it disappear as soon as baby was born? Mine is so much better than it was earlier in pregnancy (which is a bit bizarre!) Not being at work has helped a lot!! I am sore tonight after 2 days of snowy walks tho! Am hoping the activity will encourage babyolives to head out earlier rather than later! wink Despite my best intentions to stop stressing about the birth I am still feeling fairly anxious! Have decided to wait until my next appt before I make any firm decisions about the best course of action.

boo Don't log on the laptop especially for me but next time you're on it I'd love to hear an opinion from a fellow 10lb deliverer! grin

Waves to all the other Brookers!

NewYearNewBoo Sun 20-Jan-13 21:55:58

Hello again, I was doing some e-mails anyway Olives so here I am. I did indeed part with a big chunky monkey, Toddly Boo was a whopper of 10lb 3.5oz. We don't know about this one yet, I will have growth scans later (a matter of discussion at the moment as the hospital want me to have 28, 32 and 36 week scans I think 32 or 36 will suffice) but anyway about toddly boo's delivery.

I think I should tell you that yes I parted with a big 'un bit I am very tall (5ft 10) and big of build, and DH is a 6ft 3 body builder so we are never going to make delicate small babies. Teen boo was a tiddler at 7lb 5oz, but he had a different father (same height as me but smaller build).

The whole story starts with a loooooooooooooooong stage 1, stuck at 2-3cm for 36 hours until they broke my waters and to be honest, once they did that I progressed very fast (was delivering within 6 hours) but as I had lost the 'padding' between me and the baby it did stop me from moving about as much as I wanted as the pain was very intense. I didn't panic until transition when I thought it was never going to happen (but I believe that is normal wink) When I decided I needed to push, they made me do this on my back in stirrups (sp?) so they could see better, I am still not happy about this I wanted to use gravity to help, but they needed to control his exit (I may fight for it a bit more this time as I know I can do it iynwim). Toddly was born and I had to have quite a few stitches but everything was normal.

Having done it once already I have no issue with trying to deliver baby boo, and would certainly give it every effort I don't think a ELCS would be offered unless there was a position issue so I dont have to make that choice, I am happy to go for it, but I would be open to an EMCS during labour if me or baby boo needed it, but to be honest (and not very helpful) I am actually terrified of the idea of a CS.

May I ask, I have no experience of shoulder dystocia, is this something that can be checked before/during labour or avoided if you know there is a risk?? Also I think I would be tempted to ask for a sweep (or two) after 38 weeks to see if you can get things moving on (as well as curries, pineapple and rat smacking) I would also be extremey tempted to speak to your midwife and insist/demand request a scan before you can possibly make an informed decision.

Wow, that was a long post and I will actually kill someone (or just lock the Gin cabinet) at HQ if MN dares to lose it <stares at Tech>

Hiya to all the other Brookers, Thank you for the reassurance that my stupid hip cramp is another of those delightful normal things we put ourselves through in the name of beautiful brooking babies smile

Also I know that how my friend decides to celebrate her childs birthday/baptism is not really any of my business and hopefully it is just this year.

Golly, I'm in awe of you ladies hatching whoppers.

I wrote a great long post yesterday about adding insult to injury, and, appropriately, the internet ate it. Anyway, it involved the allergy I've developed to the adhesive on my sanitary towels, and being woken up by the toddler kneeling on an engorged breast. Ouch.

Hope you're all enjoying the snow!

NewYearNewBoo Mon 21-Jan-13 08:45:20

shock ooh Whims ouch!! Really hope you feel better soon thanks

Tis big snow here today, I want to go out and play so much but I'm just not allowed sad hey ho!!

I don't think I will post any more birth stories now, I had the wierdest birth dreams last night hmm

Right, off to press my face up against the window as it is the closest I am getting to the snow today smile

GreenOlives Mon 21-Jan-13 09:14:16

Thanks for that Boo, I also had to give birth on my back in stirrups (due to the forceps) Not an ideal position at all!

I agree that with a 6'3" hubby then a big baby is probably to be expected!! Thats why my DS was such a surprise - I'm 5'8" which is fairly tall for a woman (and I am of "sturdy" build!) but DH is only around 5'8" too and average build so we're not really sure where DSs size came from!! He was on the 98th for weight and length at birth and he's great big head was off the scale at birth!! He is still a big boy now - wearing an age 7-11 winter hat at age 4 (fortunately it all looks in proportion though!! wink )

The risk factors for shoulder dystocia are obese mother (I wasn't), excessive weight gain in pregnancy (I didn't), gestational diabetes (negative), prolonged 2nd stage (YES! pushing for 5-6 hours), instrumental delivery (YES! they thought I was just knackered after long first & second stage), big baby (YES! complete surprise to everyone!) There is no way of predicting it beforehand in a first pregnancy but is subsequent pregnancies an additional risk factor is the fact that it has happened before so they should be more cautious about the warning signs. This is why I've had GTT and consultant care. However I haven't had proper growth scans - your hospital is absolutely right in saying you should have them at 28, 32 and 36 weeks - that's the best way of ensuring the most accurate estimate of size (and even with 3 it's still a bit hit & miss!) I just had a rough estimate done at 28 weeks (no exact measurements taken, just a vague "oh it's fairly big already" done by my consultant who is not very good with the technical bits of the scanner!)

GreenOlives Mon 21-Jan-13 09:30:31

Right, posted in case it got lost, will continue now!

Having another isolated scan at 37 weeks (again done by my consultant) is not likely to tell me anything much about the size of this baby so that's my quandry! Immediately after DSs birth all the midwives were of the opinion that subsequent babies were likely to be CS and every registrar I've seen this pregnancy has said the same. Like I said in my previous post my consultant had also given the impression that this would be the safest option but at my last appt he suddenly did this U turn and said that my pelvis could obviously fit a 10lber through it so it would be possible again! I think my main fear is a recurrence of the shoulder dystocia but with a less positive outcome - so many babies end up with # clavicles or lasting nerve damage sustained during SD births (or worse if they are stuck for even longer) I guess I feel like DS had a lucky escape and I don't want to risk this little one not coming off so well! Arrggh! I just wish I had been given proper scans so I feel like I can make a proper informed choice but it's too late now. I'm really cross at myself for not making a fuss earlier and insisting on 3 proper growth scans! I also think I perhaps I didn't deal properly with the trauma of DSs birth at the time (was very matter of fact about it all, it was DH who was traumatised!!) but I think it's hitting me now another birth is imminent! I will speak to my midwife about it all on Weds but I haven't massively warmed to her so I'm not sure how helpful that will be confused

Have also read that early induction because of a risk of a "big baby" is also another risk factor for shoulder dystocia! Presumbably because of the increased risk of instrumental delivery in inductions!? It's all just so confusing!

I definitely think your suggestion of early sweeps is a good one! smile

Sorry for the mammoth posts - I think writing down what's in my head is helping somewhat! smile

Right - snow day here so off to play in the snow with DS ( and hope the fresh air clears my head of all this!!)

NewYearNewBoo Mon 21-Jan-13 09:37:54

I know what you mean about them staying big but in proportion, toddly boo's cycle helmet we got him for Christmas wary teenage one shock they are the only ones that would fit his 55cm head!

Is there no chance of a growth scan before you give birth? I realise I sounded quite ungrateful about having them but I think I am so resigned to this one being a good 11lb ish and no real birth issues due to size last time, plus I hate going to our ante natal clinic.

NewYearNewBoo Mon 21-Jan-13 09:43:36

Ooh x posted, yes it is rather more complex isn't it, I am see why the idea of a cs was proposed, and why you would be so concerned about them suddenly taking that away hmm I hope your midwife can be of some help and offer you proper advice, I have not actually seen the same midwife more than once yet so have had no chance to build any relationship with them, but have found all of them lovely and very willing to speak to the consultants with my concerns. I hope yours will do this for you.

Enjoy your snow day.

Withalittlesparkle Mon 21-Jan-13 10:13:18

Just the quickest read through, boo your theory of height related big babies has got me slightly concerned!!! I'm 5'10'' and mrsparks is 6'8'' so does that mean twinkle is coming our the size of a 12 year old?!?!

NewYearNewBoo Mon 21-Jan-13 10:26:31

Oh Sparks erm, well the thing is ........... you may want to invest in more 0-3 than newborn grin honestly though I am just going on what my mw told me which could equally have been an old wives tale to make me feel better smile I like to believe it though, it makes me feel less like a bloater who is creating the next race of giants smile

6ft 8 shock

Withalittlesparkle Mon 21-Jan-13 11:39:37

Hmmmm wander where I can get giant sized baby grows!!!

NewYearNewBoo Mon 21-Jan-13 11:56:12

Primark sell adult onsies grin teenage ones too, you know for the first weeks gringrin

GreenOlives Mon 21-Jan-13 15:32:26

Thanks boo, I will have a chat to my midwife on Weds and see whether that helps/what she suggests. I definitely feel more chilled for writing all my anxieties down so thanks for reading/listening! (that applies to all of you that have trawled thru my massive posts!)
sparks I would guess that twinkle is likely to be on the large side - or certainly on the long side bearing in mind the genetics! grin I would definitely only invest in 0-3 clothes and if you need newborn stuff you can always buy a few bits after the birth. I had only bought 0-3 for DS (maybe deep down I knew he was big!) but we had one newborn outfit from DSIL which was going to be his "coming home from hospital" outfit - except we couldn't squash him in it!! Optimistically I still have that outfit and am hoping that DC2 may be small enough to fit in it!! wink
whims Meant to say earlier - ouch to toddler squashing boob - the thought is almost enough to bring a tear to my eye! And allergy to sanitary towel is also a bugger, itchy nether regions are never good but particularly not just after pushing a baby out of them! shock
Well DS has had a whale of a time in the snow with 2 of his friends but im knackered! Im very glad that DH is back from his early shift and has taken DS back out in the garden while I have a cuppa and MN in peace! wink The garden is now trashed though - it looked so beautiful before the pristine snow was all churned up!! grin

NewYearNewBoo Mon 21-Jan-13 15:39:02

We didn't expect such a big one with toddly boo, they said on take larger side but we didn't really know what they meant, we had lots of lovely newborn clothes and 0-3, day 2 in the hospital (we were in for a week because of an infection) all the baby grows I had with me didn't fit so Mr boo just brought everything we had at home, all the nb ones got donated to the ward but the 0-3 ones fit lovely (for a short while). Totally ignoring newborn sizes this time, straight to next size up!!

TheLittleFriend Mon 21-Jan-13 15:45:43

Arrrgh, why is MN deleting all these posts! I'll get RSI if I have to type it again. Don't mess with a pregnant woman! angry

clickingtock Mon 21-Jan-13 17:19:24

Me too. angryangryangryangry

BartletForTeamGB Mon 21-Jan-13 20:04:55

Hello, green. I've come after getting your FB message. I've been quiet on this topic because I don't know what I would do or what I would suggest. I've tried to find some trustworthy links though which might help you, although you've probably had a look already:

The RCOG patient information leaflet:


The RCOG guideline for doctors & midwives


They really sit on the fence:

5.2 What are the recommendations for future pregnancy?
What is the appropriate mode of delivery for the woman with a previous episode of shoulder dystocia?

Either caesarean section or vaginal delivery can be appropriate after a previous shoulder dystocia. The decision should be made jointly by the woman and her carers. The rate of shoulder dystocia in women who have had a previous shoulder dystocia has been reported to be 10 times higher than the rate in the general population.

There is a reported recurrence rate of shoulder dystocia of between 1% and 25%. However, this may be an underestimate owing to selection bias, as caesarean section might have been advocated for pregnancies after severe shoulder dystocia, particularly with a neonatal poor outcome.

There is no requirement to recommend elective caesarean birth routinely but factors such as the severity of any previous neonatal or maternal injury, predicted fetal size and maternal choice should all be considered and discussed with the woman and her family when making plans for the next delivery.

BartletForTeamGB Mon 21-Jan-13 20:11:26

Thought I had better post that in case MN ate it!

Anyway, there is NO WAY I would be considering a home birth if I had a history of shoulder dystocia (not that you are!), but what would I do? The risk of complications with SD reading through the links above is much smaller than I had previously realised.

Sorry not to be more helpful. I think (easy to say when you are not in that position!) that I would go for a vaginal delivery, but accepting that C section might be needed and that shoulder dystocia might be needed. Perhaps I'd ask for induction or a section to be booked at 10 days post-dates if I'd not delivered by then. Going post-dates worries me more than most things so I wouldn't want to risk a placenta that was tiring out as well as shoulder dystocia.

So, sorry, not a very helpful or clear response at all!

GreenOlives Mon 21-Jan-13 20:22:20

Thanks so much for those links Bartlet I'll have a good read tomorrow on the laptop. Im not sure I have accessed either of those in my internet searches - should really have thought of searching RCOG for reliable info!! blush I knew you'd be a help! smile
tock and little I am feeling the angry angry angry for you, its so bloody frustrating when it eats your posts!!
I currently have a new problem to take my mind off of birth plans! Have just had an email from the owner of the Turkish villa we were renting in May this year. They have decided to sell the villa so we now have.flights to Turkey but no bloody accommodation!! angry angry angry Cue me frantically trawling villa websites and sending lots of emails to owners to find an alternative!! Good job school is open again tom so I can pack DS off and continue the search! wink

GreenOlives Mon 21-Jan-13 20:28:37

x-posts with your second one bartlet! You have been extremely helpful, I think my gut feeling is to try for vag delivery - I am just trying to feel properly informed/prepared and am probably just over thinking things as I am nervous about labour based on my previous experience. x

GreenOlives Mon 21-Jan-13 20:48:26

And can I just say despite the frustrations of MN eating posts I am very grateful for its existence as I've met you lovely supportive bunch! <soppy emotion> grin

clickingtock Mon 21-Jan-13 21:16:16

Been trying to write (3 x eaten posts). Olives, I am so brooking that it works out ok for you. Don't q understand u-turn and would be pressing to know why the change? Good luck lovely. Bartlet is the font...

Bartlet, if you want to use our birth pool just nod. You're in London aren't you?

Sparks you cd get a long baby but not so heavy. Astrid in top 2% for height but average birthweight... 7 4oz.

Boo sorry re hips, not good. Paracetamol? thanks

Hugs to all. brew

GreenOlives Tue 22-Jan-13 07:49:57

Interestingly the RCOG guidelines don't advocate early induction with a previous history of shoulder dystocia unless a woman is diabetic (which Im not) so that makes me feel much more comfortable refusing the early induction which my consultant suggested.
Thanks bartlet smile

BartletForTeamGB Tue 22-Jan-13 09:34:53

No problem, green. I really don't know anything about it, but glad I could help! smile

tock, not in London sadly, otherwise I'd definitely be round for the birth pool and Astrid cuddles! I'm waiting to see what the scan on Thursday says and then I'll hire one if a home birth is still a sensible option. GTT was normal though, so pleased with that.

Sounds like you have had some good advice there, Olives. If it is of interest to you, a friend of mine's first baby was over 9lb and had shoulder dystocia and she had elcs for her two subsequent babies. She was happy with the decision. I hope your next scan is helpful and you are able to make a decision. Either way, you'll have your brooking baby very soon!

I was walking back from taking DD to playgroup this morning and thinking how well I feel, so I felt the need to write to the triple whammiers to give you hope that you will find it so much easier when your babies are born! It's so hard with hip and back pain etc at the end of pregnancy and I can honestly say that now the initial discomfort from the cs has gone, I feel so much better and more able to look after DD as well as DS. I was a bit worried beforehand about managing the needs of a newborn as well as DD, but it has been ok and I am really enjoying it. I hope this cheers you up in the final weeks of your pregnancies! So excited for you all as you are in the home strait now!

TheLittleFriend Tue 22-Jan-13 11:45:21

Ah, thanks Gen. It's lovely to hear you are feeling well. I can't tell you how excited I am about not bring pregnant soon! Obviously a huge part of that is getting to meet my baby, but I also can't wait to be able to walk properly again. I had a terrible day yesterday, and could barely get up from the sofa. A nights rest seems to have helped though, and I've been outside for the first time since Thursday, so the world seems a happier place smile

Olives, not much I can contribute to your discussion, but I hope your next appointment makes you feel more confident about whatever decision you make. Sometimes it's easier if the decision is out of your hands, I know I'd be feeling just as overwhelmed if I was in your position.

Right, going to copy this before I post incase I lose it again!

TheLittleFriend Tue 22-Jan-13 11:47:00

Hurray, it worked!

Oh, and loved Boo's reassurance to Sparks that she can buy her baby adult onesies! gringrin

GreenOlives Tue 22-Jan-13 13:38:59

Thanks Gen that's good to hear!! Like Little I am eagerly anticipating not being pregnant too! I slipped over on the ice this morning whilst trying to rescue DS who had just fallen too! I managed to break my fall but I have REALLY overstretched in the process and my pubic bone is agony!! Not too bad when I'm sitting but when I stand I am so stiff and sore! I have decided to become a hermit until it all melts! grin

Glad to hear you're a bit happier and less sore today Little! smile

BartletForTeamGB Wed 23-Jan-13 15:40:14

Too tired to write anything. So sleeeeeeeeepy...

Withalittlesparkle Thu 24-Jan-13 09:36:13

Yikes 20 week scan in 7 days!!!!

BartletForTeamGB Thu 24-Jan-13 10:51:13

Wow! Why do everyone else's pregnancies fly back so much more quickly?!

Another scan for me this afternoon. Will report back after...

TheLittleFriend Thu 24-Jan-13 11:00:11

How exciting Sparks. I really enjoyed both my 20wk scans, scan pictures don't do them justice. The detail you see is amazing smile

Bartlet, hope all is well at your scan, my 'also 36 weeks today' buddy wink. Great news about your gtt results too.

I've got the mw this aft, who will be doing a strep b swab. Should have results on Tuesday. Brook for me please, Brookers! I can't tell you how much I want it to be negative. I don't mind having the anti b's in labour, but if I have another sneeze birth like dd's, then there will not be enough time. Which then means staying in for obs on baby, and maybe anti b's for him. See, I'm stressing about it already and haven't even had the test yet hmm

Withalittlesparkle Thu 24-Jan-13 11:09:56

bartlet to be fair I've been in general denial that I'm actually diffed for approximately 19 weeks lol

Hello everyone
Lots of exciting scans going on! I don't think I ever remembered to say what #3 said at ours? The sonographer said to him 'so this is your new brother or sister' and he replied 'what's a sister?'. Priceless.

And i second (third?) the reassurance to the heavily preggos that no-one has (yet) been pregnant forever, and that almost all of the discomfort of pregnancy will be replaced by the indignities of new motherhood within hours.

TheLittleFriend Thu 24-Jan-13 15:56:02

Brilliant comment from your ds3 Whims. You'll have to have dc5 for him to find out what a sister is .....

Saw mw, swab done, so brook away please smile. She also sent off my urine as it had high leukocytes, which can apparently mean a uti. Blood pressure is creeping up, but still lower than last pregnancy which is good.

NewYearNewBoo Thu 24-Jan-13 16:39:08

Sparks you will love the 20 week scan, someone else said up thread, the detail is amazing!

Yay for good gtt results Bartlet mine is in 2 weeks sad

Little Brooking for your gsb result!

Olives did you have the mw today? Were you going to discuss your options of cs/vb and the risk of the baby getting sd again. Brooking you have all the info you need, and Brooking even more that they offer you a scan!

Whims what a brilliant reaction from your DS grin

NewYearNewBoo Fri 25-Jan-13 13:12:31

Did I kill the thread sadsad

Where is everyone??

I need some none preggo advice. We are trying to decide our holiday this year and just don't know where to go that has things to entertain teen, toddly and me and DH with new baby boo. We love Cornwall but is a 5-6 hour drive and I don't fancy that with a new born, but we will do it if we don't find somewhere else just as good. Where have you been that was/would be brilliant with children? And what did you do whilst there?


My holiday this year is Manchester smile

clickingtock Fri 25-Jan-13 16:22:52

Holidays, try Devon. Bit easier to get to. We stayed near Lyme Regis, v nice. Try Pecorama, fishing and Seaton tram. Don't forget Llama Land. grin

Sparks so excited for you. Will you ask if boy girl or go UBB?

Whims, v grin. My friend's DC1 was asked "Would you like a brother or sister?" And replied, "No thanks!" He now has both. wink

Good news about Battler's results and Little I have done a brooking dance.

Good luck in these last weeks, tripleters. Pregnancy seems like a distant memory, as there's no Lochia now, just a bit of a muffin top to show for 40wks hard labour. I really hope the time goes quickly for you.

Astrid had her first trip to the cinema today. She was v good. We saw Lincoln, v impressive. I think mums and babies screening are a great indulgence - anyone else a fan?

Better post now... brew N biscuit for all. thanks

TheLittleFriend Fri 25-Jan-13 16:49:24

Boo we go to Dorset lots as in laws have a place there. Poole and Weymouth are lovely towns and the Jurassic coastline has gorgeous beaches. Sealife centres and peppa pig world are big hits with a toddler, but I am very out of touch with what a teenager would want to do!

Tock I loved those baby cinema sessions with dd. lovely to hear that pregnancy is already a distant memory for you. I am really looking forward to bring able to say that! smile

GreenOlives Fri 25-Jan-13 17:10:14

Boo Holiday wise we like Devon/Dorset and Wales. Also had a lovely holiday in Lincolnshire. DS is happy anywhere there is beaches, steam trains and castles!! Really not sure about how to keep a teenager happy on hols - I hated going on hol with my parents when I was a teenager - it was soooo not cool!! wink I missed out on 2 holidays abroad and stayed at my Nans which was obviously way cooler! hmm We are having 3 hols this year shock Villa in Turkey with my.parents in May, cottage in Lake District with DHs dad & sis in August, then caravan in Rye in Oct half term (Daily Mail cheapo offer!) Its so much cheaper going on hols with the rels and DS loves it! Saw midwife on Weds. She didn't think early induction was a bad idea but understands why I don't fancy it. She's happy to do early sweeps as long as the.consultant is specific about when she does them/how many. Im seeing him on 4th for scan so will discuss early sweeps then. I've been listening to my hypnotherapy cd a lot and I am feeling less anxious about everything now smile

Tock Glad you are well. I love the sound of baby cinema, I've never heard of it round these parts so I'll have to investigate!

Bartlet What's the news from your growth scan?

Little Have you done a bump photo yet? I went for a swim today, was lovely whilst I was in there but boy is my pubic bone hurting now! shock How's your spd?

Sparks 20 week scan shock That's gone so quick! How exciting!

clickingtock Fri 25-Jan-13 17:16:57

Less than a month now Little, hang on in there. thanks And weirdly I do feel nostalgic for my bump, which you guys might too. Well, a tiny bit. Am a bit concerned how I'll cope with 2, as I won't have any help as of Monday. My main concern is for DS as I can't give him nearly as much time and have less resources for tricky moments...blush guess it's normal though...

NewYearNewBoo Fri 25-Jan-13 18:49:14

Nearly there triple whammiers, I can't believe you are all nearly ready to sneeze grin.

Tock the idea of bump being a distant memory seems unlikely for me at the moment. We have reached another milestone today, 26 weeks, I am enjoying saying 6 months pregnant smile

I really want to find a baby cinema near me but there doesn't seem to be one sad there is a film I really really want to see being released 2 weeks after my due date.

BartletForTeamGB Fri 25-Jan-13 19:27:08

Hello, a long and grumpy update from yesterday from me.

Things at the scan yesterday are much the same. Growth now tracking the 95th centile and borderline polyhydramnios remains but hasn't got any worse, so I thought things were much the same.

Except the midwife sonographer scanning me announces that I'm now high risk and I'll need to have the baby in the delivery suite, rather than the lovely new birth centre downstairs, that paeds will need to see the baby, and I might need early induction.

To be honest, I felt she was just being alarmist and following a protocol without any real thought behind it, and didn't really care what I thought about it. I didn't find her very reassuring at all!

She has booked me another scan at 38 weeks and a consultant appt at 39 weeks to discuss delivery options, the latter of which strikes me as potentially too late! 39 weeks!!!

Thankfully my consultant told me to email him if I had any questions so I have done, so I just hope he gets back to me in the next few days or can see me in clinic before then.

I'm again just upset that things aren't all nice and boring and uncomplicated. I just want this pregnancy to be over and to have my baby safe in my arms! I've had enough of this all now!

Anyway, got to go after all that. Full of the cold and got the church youth group coming round for dinner! Great...

clickingtock Fri 25-Jan-13 19:42:43

thanks For you Bartlet. Sounds tough and demoralising. Am brooking that she was being alarmist and that you get the delivery you want.


NewYearNewBoo Fri 25-Jan-13 19:52:57

Oh Bartlet Brooking that the consultant will make more sense for you and you will have the birth you want. Feet up after a rough day and youth group dinner and let Mr B take care of you (and the washing up) thanks

Ooh, you're all making me miss the British seaside with this holiday chat. we have friends with a house in Sidmouth, which is just about Devon, and I love going there. I'd recommend it to anyone!

Olives you weren't doing breast stroke were you? Not good for spd at all. I became quite adept at crawl last time I was pg, and it made all the difference. I hope you feel better soon.

Sorry to hear about your news Bartlet. It really won't be long now until you have your baby safe in your arms, though I appreciate it must seem an age away at the moment. I don't know if this is much reassurance, but I was dreading having a hosp birth after 3home births, but actually <whispers> #4 was probably my 'best' birth despite the obstetrician in a welding mask, 3 nurses, resuscitation area and general hospital / US wierdness. I'm trying to say, in my usual hamfisted way, that one can have a reasonably calm, autonomous birth even in less than ideal settings. Obviously I'm brooking that things go smoothly and you aren't high risk, but also that, if you are, they still go smoothly. Sleep deprived and garbled? Moi?

Snow's started here. Last year it snowed for 6 days and there was 4 foot. Apparently. I'm trying not to be alarmist.

BartletForTeamGB Fri 25-Jan-13 21:57:05

I don't want anyone to think that I am against hospital births. I am a hospital doctor, I LIKE hospitals! smile I've assisted with a number of very nice hospital births, both natural and sections.

I just feel that the midwife was following a protocol without thinking and gave very little thought to the consequences, down to saying that I couldn't see the consultant until 39 weeks.

If I need to be in hospital, that's fine. If I need induction or a section, that's all fine. But if it actually is not needed and it is just mindless protocol following, then I'm going to be cross!

The youth group have been and gone, so going to drink tea and then get to bed.

green, hope the pelvis settles down. I really should take a picture of my own bump. Will do tomorrow...

GreenOlives Fri 25-Jan-13 22:21:15

Whims I was indeed doing breast stroke blush It felt fine while I was in the water but if Id engaged my brain I prob should have realised it wouldn't be great for spd! hmm I haven't done front crawl for years tho - will give it a try next time! Hope the snow is enough to be fun without becoming a nuisance - its currently raining here and I am glad to see the snow melting away - a week was long enough for me!

Bartlet I completely get how you're feeling and I hope your consultant gets back to you asap. I would love to see your bump pic too! grin

NewYearNewBoo Fri 25-Jan-13 22:57:16

We have snow again, about 4 inches has fallen while we were watching a dvd (I actually typed video then had to delete it and put dvd blush also spent about 30 mins trying to get baby boo to put its bum/head back down cos it was uncomfortable (not sure which end but it was lovely and rounded)

Bartlet we do need a bump pic quite soon please? And I didn't think you were against hospital births, but that you are understandably frustrated by today's appointment. Brooking you and the consultant can sort it out.

Well, off to bed I think, I have spent the day feeling like the size of a house sad it doesn't help that I am grazing constantly from about 10am until after lunch sad but I do try to find healthy snacks. Bump is starting to feel very big too. Trying not to worry about weight gain but finding that hard at the moment, it feels like I have such a long time to go still. Sorry a bit of a grump there, back to my Brooking best tomorrow! smile

clickingtock Sat 26-Jan-13 09:51:09

What does an American snowman look like Whims?

Bartlett, I agree re' protocol but I'm hope you can reason with them and see a consultant sooner. The negative side of large unwieldy systems can be that careers lose sight of individuals. But I agree there are many more pluses to the NHS.

You can always try breastroke arms and crawl legs, much better for SPD if not a little discombobulating!

Boo, I'm sure we all sympathise with days when you feel like a house. I felt very big some days. Then when mini boo engages you feel a bit less big but Perhaps less comfy. hmm

Better post! thanks

NewYearNewBoo Sat 26-Jan-13 10:26:38

Thanks Tock feeling much better today, I think Booby has moved again and I feel much less huge, still big but not enormous smile

It's hard to tell tock as the American snowman is in a car. If he did get out he'd no doubt have a gun.

The boy has been diagnosed with a tongue tie, which is a relief because feeding is still really painful. Being snipped on tues. He's still managed to get up to 8lb though!

Withalittlesparkle Sun 27-Jan-13 09:40:57

Am I terribly awful for thinking its ok if I have a little girl to dress her in pink? There a bit of a discussion going on on my June thread about gender stereotyping everyone agrees that you shouldn't dress girls in pink, and little boys should have more options than just blue or camouflage! Now I feel awful because all I could think how cute little girls look in pink and little boys look in blue sad am I setting myself up to be a bad parent?!

SweetieTime Sun 27-Jan-13 10:02:37

Just popping in to get you all back on my "freds I am on" thingy on my phone. I don't want to missing any triple whammy news. wink

Hope you lovely ladies are all ok, I know it is getting tough for those about to welcome their new arrivals but not long to go now.

I have started a new TTC Brooking Tread for those who keep an eye our search for those elusive positive pee sticks.

NewYearNewBoo Sun 27-Jan-13 11:24:45

I think I may also be a bad mum then Whims I think they look so cute in their little pink/blue outfits, it also stops those awkward moments usually with old ladies trying to guess the sex and getting it wrong!

BartletForTeamGB Sun 27-Jan-13 19:38:40

Got to 8lb with a tongue tie, whims. You must be doing really well. I hope the snip sorts your pain out. It took DS a few weeks to retrain how to BF but then there became the easiest thing in the world.

I'm afraid, sparks, that I won't be dressing DC3 in pink if it is a girl, but I think we can all still be friends! wink

No news from us here. Hoping my consultant will get back to me tomorrow with a proper plan...

I too am something of a gender specific clothes denier. Having not found out what sex we were having, each child has been dressed in yellow / white for the first few weeks. Apparently in the US these are 'girls' colours. Having said that, for all our attempts to bring up 'children' rather than 'boys', I find myself surrounded by diggers, creepy crawlies and swords (not allowed guns), navy blue corduroy dungarees and stripes rather than flowers. I think the important thing is not to assume that pink clothes 'mean' certain things (interest in princesses, nurturing abilities, lack of ambition...) rather than deny all pretty things (or, similarly blue clothes).

I get boy shopping rage though, when the boys clothes are never reduced, when there's only a third the choice, when they all have cars / guns / branded cartoon images on.
But I'm sure I'd get girl shopping rage too, with too many frilly bits, silly slogans and shoes you can't run around in. I make lots of clothes for the boys (#3 is today wearing a pair of trousers made out of old red linen trousers of mine and lined with old pjs). Looking at all 4 of them, not one is wearing anything blue / camo / logo'ed, which I feel is something of a result!

Anyway, sparks your baby will be beautiful, whatever s/he is dressed in. I particularly favour a plain white babygrow until they're about teenagers 6months.

Hello all

You dropped off my threads so I thought I'd better stick my head back in so my place is marked ready for the triple whammiers.

whims I adore babies in white. Mine were both more or less fully in white for the first 3 months at least.

On the subjects of colours. I once had DD wearing a blue dress. That confused the old lady in Sainsburys who went something like this "oh what a sweet little boy....girl...boy...confused...what is it?" I'm a pink avoider for DD but it's very hard as most of the clothes bought by other people are pink and shopping to avoid pink often means having to go in more expensive shops. She was wearing a purple dress yesterday and someone still asked how old "he" is. DD's a pretty little thing too, I can't understand it.

Brooking for you big time Bartlet. I hope your consultant gets back to you ASAP and is able to answer your questions.

Also brooking for you Olives. No idea what I'd do in your situation but I can reassure you that my EMCS with DD was a gazillion times better than hideous forceps birth with DS. It really was surprisingly ok.

Hope you're ok too Little. Has the UTI cleared up yet?

NewYearNewBoo Mon 28-Jan-13 16:45:31

Hi Scarlet lovely to see you back. Nothing much for me to report today, just wondered if we could start chatting a little more, the Christmas/new year thread is starting to look a bit dated and we could do with a lovely spring time thread smile

As you were.

GreenOlives Mon 28-Jan-13 18:24:00

Hello ladies, I trust you are all well?
We have the lurgy in the Olives household so DS has been off school today. I've been a very bad tired and lazy mummy and have let him watch dvds/tv nearly all day (apart from a few stories and a bit of painting) blush
I need some boob advice ladies - my boobs were sore in the first few weeks of this pregnancy and then they settled down. They haven't grown much either (although they never shrank again after DS) But this morning I woke up with a really painful Rt boob, its not hot or red but it is a bit harder/lumpier than the other side. Its sore right up into my armpit and really hurts to move my arm. I gave it a bit of a massage in the shower and I did leak a bit of milk - do you think its just preparing itself for DC2? Or could it be mastitis brewing already? confused

TheLittleFriend Mon 28-Jan-13 19:01:14

Green, can't say I've ever heard of mastitis in pregnancy, but I would def google ask the mw to check. Dd is poorly here too. I find looking after her really hard when she's ill, I feel terrible saying it, but I just don't have enough patience. I'm working on it though smile

Good to see you Scarlet, thanks for asking about uti. Tbh, I wasn't really having symptoms, it was just picked up in urine at checkup. I rang for the lab results today, which were "satisfactory, retest if still experiencing symptoms". So now, my paranoid brain is wondering if I am feeling stinging confused. I've got to ring back got strep b results tomorrow, so might ask to speak with gp about it.

Sparks, I'm afraid I avoid pink for my dd too. Not that there is anything wrong with it, I just don't think it really suits her, especially pale pink. Looking forward to hearing if it's pink or blue you ill be buying! grin

Hope everyone else is well?

TheLittleFriend Mon 28-Jan-13 19:02:16

Boo, just realised I should have posted each paragraph as a separate message to fill the thread! Sorry, will do next time wink

Have you tried holding hot flannels on your sore boob green? Hope it clears up Doon, but def ask a mw about it.

I remember having #1 in tights when it was really cold and confusing lots of people. He was 2. They were navy and under trousers. And we had a lodger who couldn't get over us letting him have a toy pushchair.

I can imagine that whims. My FIL was ver puzzled as to why we bought DS a kitchen grin

Btw I do dress DD in the pink clothes other people have given her, I'm not that opinionated by it. I just like to see boys and girls wearing a variety of colours. And DD is a ginge so looks hideous in pink

I've had DS at home poorly today too Olives. sad I think you're entitled to a tv day in your condition. I've had to do Playmobil (the swimming pool one with water in so a total PITA). Hope the boob gets better soon.

Glad you're ok Little smile

GreenOlives Mon 28-Jan-13 21:47:15

My DSs absolute favourite toy (for a good year or so) was his toy pushchair which he pushed everywhere with his teddy in (Tesco, park etc) Some people were very bemused by it!! He still plays with his toy kitchen now I've got him in training to become a top chef and cook yummy food forever!! grin And he's just started drama lessons - my friends husband is horrified a boy should go to drama lessons - apparently it makes you gay shock shock shock
Thanks for the boob tips, will see what midwife has to say. Fingers crossed for all the poorly DCs to be better tomorrow!

GreenOlives Mon 28-Jan-13 22:15:56

And Im another one with no particular aversion to pink or blue - I would just like a wider choice to be available. DS suits green or red best! and green is my favourite colour so im biased!

Withalittlesparkle Tue 29-Jan-13 06:59:53

Don't get me wrong I'm not only going to dress in blue or pink, I just don't see how dressing a girl in pink is going to encourage her to grow up all girly and in to a home maker and whatnot!

I'm so tired today, apparently my psychotic pregnancy dreams have started, apparently along with some sleep talking mr sparks knows exactly what I've been dreaming off!!! Apparently last night I was crying because there was a big snake near me (hate snakes) and I was worried it was going to eat me, it woke mrsparks up so he was stroking my hair and reassuringly (or so he says). Then apparently about an hour before I woke up I started shouting at him to "take the fing baby coat off his head" because it wasn't even our baby's coat!!!

And those are only the dreams that inspired sleep talking, I distinctly remember dreaming that lord Grantham was my uncle and that I asked my niece what she wanted for tea and she said potato and chips, but I wouldn't let her so she cried.... Oh and the fish tank full of dead fish....

So even though I slept from 10-6 with a minor wee break I've woken up absolutely shattered!!! Can't win really can I?!

It's going to be a horrid day too because I'm covering the office as I'm the only one in today so I'm going to be busy busy busy!!!!

How is everyone else doing?

GreenOlives Tue 29-Jan-13 07:57:37

Sparks Nothing but sympathy for the mad preggo dreams - I wonder why being diffed makes you dream so much?! The only plus side is the naughty ones are quite enjoyable! wink grin Hope today goes quickly and you get a better night tonight!
DS still had temp in the night but slept well and is desperate to go to school today so that's good! grin My right boob is still very ouchy - just thought Id share that!
Good luck with GBS results little smile

NewYearNewBoo Tue 29-Jan-13 08:16:33

Good luck for the results Keep

Olives really hope your boob feels better soon.

Sparks you have my every sympathy with the sleep issue. I needed an early night last night cos of the insomnia, I was just getting comfy and nodding off when toddly boo started having a nightmare poor little man took ages to settle and then sleeping very badly and finally waking just before 5.30 sad when I did get some sleep my dream was about Mr boo getting up early with toddly boo and giving him chocolate and letting him watch cartoons so I was really angry with him for rewarding him for waking up early, then I was awake early anyway and still in a mood sadsad

NewYearNewBoo Tue 29-Jan-13 11:46:37

Well, my morning went from bad to worse sad there is a bump toucher at the gym who I have decided to avoid likely to be offended if I ask her to stop she was in reception when I arrived so I went straight into the gym, this also meant I avoided one of my friends. As soon as friend came into the gym I said sorry for ignoring her and explained why, so she started poking my bump saying 'what like this, you don't want to be touched like this?? Why on earth not?' I hit her hand away and told her to stop treating me like a f*****G joke sad she s not talking to me now sad should I apologise??

Frootloopz Tue 29-Jan-13 13:38:23

Oh boo that is so so annoying. Especially after you just explained to her why it was bothering you!! Has your friend been pg before? If you dont want to fall out could you just do a non-apology apology i.e. sorry you were upset before but i did tell you i hated people touching my bump?

We saw my SIL before xmas and she first asked me to lift up my shirt so she could see my bump (denied) and then when i wasnt looking she full on grabbed and shook it. It hurt. I batted her hand away and she stormed out of the room. I refused to apologise but then i dont like her so it suits me if she is in a mood.

sparks shamedly i like pink for girls and blue for boys. However not to the exclusion of other colours. Are you excited for your scan? The 20w one was amazing i couldnt believe the detail we got to see - the picture really doesnt do it justice!!

Miniloopz hasnt been much of a wriggler at all but is suddenly starting - had a daily occurence of hiccups (at least i assume they are) some low level wriggling and a regular evening fest of kicking/punching me in the cervix. Thanks kid. 30w4d now - on the 10 week countdown!!!

Oh sparks your dreams made me laugh i have had some real weird ones (struggling to remember now but i always tell DH first thing and he looks at me with crazy face). My fave was that i had a longstanding affair with snoop dog and he died and left me his boat. Except in my dream he was about 70. P.s. potato and chips sounds lush smile

Frootloopz Tue 29-Jan-13 13:39:37

Aso waves to all other brookers esp the tripe whammy triplets - not long to go!!!!

Withalittlesparkle Tue 29-Jan-13 14:14:57

Froot Glad miniloopz is starting to get a wriggle on so to speak!! I know it may be uncomfortable but must be so nice to actually feel movements!!!

Boo maybe drop her a little text? but absolutely dont apologise for doing it just tell her that it may have seemed like you were a little short with her, but its not very pleasent having people touch your bump, especially with people (inc strangers) doing it all day every day. I went out with friends on Sunday night, first time Id seen them since getting diffed and they all went straight for a belly rub, but to me Im still in the inbetween stage and I had to sit on my hand to stop myself from smacking them!!!

Olives hope your boob is better, sore boobs are horrid!!!

For the record best dream Ive had in the last 20 weeks hands down, is one that I dont even remember, I just remember the aftermath, I woke up bolt upright and quick as a flash clenched my fist and thumped mrsparks personal area with such force!!!!! I think it was around the time when my ms was really bad, and it was my subconcious way of punishing him for getting in this condition!!!!

Withalittlesparkle Tue 29-Jan-13 14:18:16

(split the post to help move us along)

Im really not sure about my scan, I feel terrible for not getting excited, but Im still really nervous, like Im not ready to accept that Im actually pregnant and this is actually happening!! I assume after the scan I will feel differently and things might start clicking in to place a little!! Did anyone else feel like this?

I am however looking forward to getting passed the 20 week mark because I very much want to be further away from conception and closer to due date if that makes sense? im such a loon!!!

Must get back to work, but first I need to complete my order on new look, apparently mrsparks has no problems me buying clothes when Im pregnant, makes me think that I should be pregnant ALLLLLLLLLL the time!!!

NewYearNewBoo Tue 29-Jan-13 15:41:18

Sparks I think I did feel like that to a certain extent, the difference this time is that I felt movement after about 16 weeks so from then I had no choice but to acknowledge it, but I also know after the scan I felt much more comfortable with being excited (not sure if that makes sense to anyone but me) now I feel like I have really bonded with my bump and have little chats with it when it is awake - I wouldn't have dreamed of doing this a few weeks ago!

I think I will message friend later with a 'sorry I got so upset but I had told you I didn't like it and I was most upset that you thought I was not to be taken seriously' what do you think, too aggressive? It would be nice if she apologised though.

NewYearNewBoo Tue 29-Jan-13 15:44:06

Hi everyone else, how long for the triple whammiers now, 3/4 weeks? Ooh exciting smile Brooking for sneeze births all round.

Froot I can't wait to get onto the 10 week countdown, are you planning your hospital bag?

Frootloopz Tue 29-Jan-13 16:58:00

Hmm boo not yet it feels too early! We have an NhS antenatal class on the 16 Feb so in my mind i will start planning bags and birthplans etc after that. Its scary (but awesome) how fast its gone!! That sounds like a good text too not aggresive at all more explanatory.

sparks yes i do luff the movements, even the ouchy ones! Its super nice to know s/he is in there smile have you felt movements yet or not really? I dont think i felt a definite movement till 23 weeks plus. I did feel v apprehensive about my scan, i was terrified of something being wrong, but i have felt much less paranoid since it. Im sure itll be awesome smile

TheLittleFriend Tue 29-Jan-13 18:53:33

Good to see you Frootz, hope you're keeping well?

Boo, a friend should have been much more understanding of how you're feeling, but I'm sure she just didn't realise how strongly you felt. (I would have been the same btw, hate people touching my bump). No need to apologise to get I think, but maybe a text to clear the air, just so you don't dwell on it smile

TheLittleFriend Tue 29-Jan-13 19:00:04

Sparks, it's totally normal to feel nervous before any scan, and nor is there any pressure for it to feel more 'normal' afterwards. Any emotion is pretty standard in pregnancy, I've found!

Dd was still under the weather today, so I have done nothing but sit around watching cbeebies all day. Don't get me wrong, it's not like I do that much else at the moment anyway, but my brain is particularly fried from it today grin

But good news - I'm strep b negative! I cannot tell you how pleased I am. It will make the whole trip to hospital so much easier, and hopefully mean I can get home ASAP after he's born.

GreenOlives Tue 29-Jan-13 20:34:45

Great news little!! grin grin grin

NewYearNewBoo Tue 29-Jan-13 20:40:11

Brilliant news on the gbs results Little smilesmile

Stacks Wed 30-Jan-13 00:40:15

Quick lurking post. Plus grats to Little.

Withalittlesparkle Wed 30-Jan-13 06:56:41

Great news little <pretends to know what that means>

NewYearNewBoo Wed 30-Jan-13 11:07:44

Right ladies, look away now if you don't want tmi blush I have just been to my gastro Dr, I have had extra skin tags on my bum for years cos of the crohns and what I thought were a couple of piles actually are these tags swollen up a little, he said just an over the counter cream would do it, anything you would usually use for piles, so wise ones, what do I use???

Also, if anyone has seen my dignity lying round, please pass it back grin

Apparently sudocrem works wonders boo

Ooh I just spotted stacks lurking. How are you? Was wondering where you'd got to.

BartletForTeamGB Wed 30-Jan-13 13:33:49

I'll second sudocrem as well, boo.

Good news, little.

sparks, hope the scan goes well. I feel quite jealous of people who get all excited about the scan and seem to think the main purpose is to find out the baby's sex, but I can completely understand your nerves.

Consultant has emailed me back, but there's not an actual plan yet. I replied and will give him until tomorrow (37 weeks for the triple whammiers tomorrow!) and then call his secretary or speak to the Supervisor of Midwives. I am okay, albeit a bit disappointed, about probably not having a home birth, but I would much prefer to be in the birth centre rather than the delivery suite.

GreenOlives Wed 30-Jan-13 14:36:37

3rd vote for sudocrem here boo, worked wonders on my piles! grin I think your dignity may be hanging out with mine somewhere! wink Do you think we'll get it back before or after we've pushed something large out of our fanjo!! grin
bartlet Hope you hear back from consultant tom. Not 37 weeks till Sunday for me, im lagging behind you and little!

NewYearNewBoo Wed 30-Jan-13 14:44:48

Oh definitely after Olives not much chance before grin

Right, off to hunt out that little free sample of sudocrem out of the really useless bounty pack smile

Bartlet I really hope your consultant replies and you can at least get the birth centre experience. Is there any chance of a HB?

I can't believe the tripe whammiers are 37 weeks shock that is 3 babies in the next 5 weeks smilesmilesmile has someone warned post grads so they have the tea brewing cake in the oven and cushions plumped up ready for you all?

BartletForTeamGB Wed 30-Jan-13 15:10:06

There are increased risks with this time so I don't think a HB would be a good idea. I think HBs are great for low risk mothers and babies and I am just not going to be one this time. The experience really doesn't matter ultimately. It is just the birth centre sounds all lovely (its quite new). I have delivered in the delivery suite before too, although that was clearly very different circumstances, and it wasn't, all things considered, a bad experience so I've got no worries about it. Just would rather be somewhere most conducive to an active birth if I can.

Will link on FB so you can have a look.

NewYearNewBoo Wed 30-Jan-13 15:18:47

Oh such a shame about your HB, but the birth centre sound lovely, will pop over to fb and take a look. We have no choice anymore, they closed our local (2 minutes down the road) birth centre, so our hospital delivery suite or HB is the only option for my area. It doesn't make any difference for me, too high risk for the birth centre even when it was open and I am definitely not allowed a HB!! It's quite nice at the hospital, it was all refurbished and reopened the week before I had toddly boo, en suite, air con, mood lighting etc. I will be investigating what they have for an active labour this time though.

knock knock. can I come in?

My dignity and I had a falling out some time in 2003 sparks. I haven't seen it since. I am currently bfing #4 in a car park. Monday I bfed in a bowling alley. The smelly shoes really brought something to the whole experience.

NewYearNewBoo Wed 30-Jan-13 17:34:10

Squee Face you made it, welcome, pull up a seat, have a brew put your feet up and settle in for the next few months grin

Ooh Whims there certainly is something special about take odour of a bowling shoe <boak>

boo I'm still in shock. I'm like properly pregnant this time!

NewYearNewBoo Wed 30-Jan-13 17:54:20

Yeah you are, actually properly completely diffed grin

how strange. I was not properly prepared for this smile

TheLittleFriend Wed 30-Jan-13 18:17:59

Bartlet hope you get the answers you want tomorrow. The birth centre looks lovely.

Cartoon, welcome, pleased to have you here smile. Have you had your early scan now?

Dd is worse today than she was yesterday sad. Barely eaten and a burning temp. She's already in bed, I'm really hoping a good nights sleep will help. Seriously, how do people look after poorly toddlers when they have a new baby too? I can't imagine how I'm going to cope with that.

NewYearNewBoo Wed 30-Jan-13 18:42:26

You will get used to it Face, I think I should start calling you Tricks now or some of the grads won't know who I mean wink

Little I have been thinking worrying and panicky about that. I have come to the conclusion that the solution will present itself when it happens (I'm thinking the solution is wine

Withalittlesparkle Wed 30-Jan-13 18:53:06

FACE told you everything would be ok!!!!!

Ladies nearly made a really stupid mistake!! been telling everyone my appointment tomorrow is at 10.30, I wouldve been horrendously late, as I actually need to be there for 8.30!!!

hey little yes I had it today. measured 6+6. I thought I was 7+1 but he said that was fine and it was a good strong heart beat. there's a small area of bleeding above the sac which is a bit of a worry but hopefully it will settle.

clickingtock Wed 30-Jan-13 20:08:23

Waving to all, especially cartoon. thanks

GreenOlives Wed 30-Jan-13 20:28:41

Really great news face You are now a scan endorsed pregnant person!! grin Make yourself nice and comfy for the best 7 months or so! grin
bartlet Brooking hard that you get to deliver at the Rosie - its looks lovely! The labour ward at my local hospital is, quite frankly, dire and there is no birth centre/MLU either sad They have just announced plans for a MLU with building to start in the Spring but sadly too late for me!
little Poor DD, hope she's better soon for both your sakes! Not sure about how you manage baby + poorly toddler (or in fact baby + non-poorly toddler!) Despite wanting a closer age gap I am definitely seeing the benefits of DS being at school now DC2 is imminent im just worried about how I'll cope in the school holidays! smile

clickingtock Wed 30-Jan-13 20:51:59

Oh little missed poorly DD, bless her. Hope sleep helps. Fab about strep results. thanks

I have to admit that looking after 2DC full time is quite challenging, though I'm glad for DS that he has me all the time while he adapts to having a sibling. I have been determined to keep up his routine, so we go out to play groups and classes - every day since week 2 of Astrid's life. Prettyknackering. Don't know what I'd do without my sling. And last night was the first time I got DP to do a short nightshift so I could get some rest from colicky DD. I think you just end up finding reserves of energy that you didn't know you had. DP has night out tonight so I treated myself to MnS ready meal. grin Agree with Olives that a bigger age gap has definite benefits.

BartletForTeamGB Thu 31-Jan-13 10:21:00

Great news, face. Delighted for you!

Just been on the phone to the Supervisor of Midwives about delivery suite v birth centre. She didn't sound convincing and tried to big up the delights of the delivery suite (I am sure it is fine but it is not quite as cosy as the birth centre. I just don't want to end up being treated as high risk when it is all very borderline as I'd want to get home swiftly rather than stay in etc), but she is going to have a look into things and get me an appointment with the midwife in charge of the birth centre. Keep brooking for me!

NewYearNewBoo Thu 31-Jan-13 11:41:22

Ooh Bartlet Brooking for the right outcome for you and you get to use the birth centre. Am I right in thinking if there is an issue it is very close to the delivery ward for transfer any way?

Withalittlesparkle Thu 31-Jan-13 12:37:30

Brooking for you Bartlett!!! I'm sure it'll work out, it has to you're a Brooker after all!!!

I'm back from my scan, well technically I was back ages ago but mrsparks took me for breakfast before coming home!! Twinkle is no longer a UBB and Im thinking twinkles is maybe a bit too girly for such a strapping baby boy grinsmile

TheLittleFriend Thu 31-Jan-13 12:46:50

Sparks, that's lovely, congratulations on your boy news grin

Bartlet, brooking hard that they let you in to the birthing centre.

Tock & Olives I agree about that age gap. We all obviously were planning a smaller one, but all I keep thinking now is thank goodness dd is a bit older now! wink

oh wow sparks a boy! how exciting! grin

BartletForTeamGB Thu 31-Jan-13 14:55:46

How exciting, sparks!

(La la la, not listening to tock about 2 little ones being hard work, la la la.)

<wanders off with fingers in ears>

Go team boy! Good work sparks. (there's a possibility I'm biased). I do actually know of a boy (nick)named Twinkle. Our boy has been brandef Fourson by amusing friends of my parents. I actually quite like it!

2 little ones is hard work to start with, but it pays dividends when they're a bit bigger and play together. I promise!

BartletForTeamGB Thu 31-Jan-13 15:31:27

Great phone call from the Consultant Midwife from the Birth Centre. She's spoken to my consultant and they are not convinced by the sonographer's hysteria, so birth centre looks good to go and even possibly home birth, but I'll decide on the latter after the scan and chat with the consultant next week. Feeling much more relieved about things and glad there is a plan in progress.

Great news bartlet. Really delighted for you.

NewYearNewBoo Thu 31-Jan-13 15:57:56

Sparks a boy smilesmile fabulous news, if is still twinkle though!!

Bartlet what a result!! Birth centre and I sliver of hope for your HB, I am so pleased for you smile

NewYearNewBoo Thu 31-Jan-13 15:58:23

he is, not if is!

TheLittleFriend Thu 31-Jan-13 16:01:29

Brilliant news Bartlet. smile

clickingtock Thu 31-Jan-13 18:07:59

Congrats Sparks, little boys are gorgeous. I'll let you know about little girls in3 years time.

Bartlet, v pleased for you and the power of brooking. I wouldn't worry, it is all v manageable having 2, it's just that I'm 41! But I was told yesterday that I was 'glowing' so something mst be going right. And DS is fairly settled with it all, tho may well be watching a tad too much CBeebies. blush Anyway, Whims can do 4 so she'll have a few tips.

Brooks for everyone else. thanks

GreenOlives Thu 31-Jan-13 18:34:50

Lovely news sparks! Little boys are indeed fab! grin

bartlet That's brilliant news!

tock A little extra Cbeebies won't hurt at all! smile

Right boob no longer painful after a good massage in the shower - think it was a blocked duct! Has reminded me of the pain involved in early days breast feeding so the lansinoh is being used twice daily already in an effort to prepare them for the onslaught! wink grin

I can do 3 tock. The jury's still out on 4! But thanks for.the vote of confidence!

Withalittlesparkle Thu 31-Jan-13 21:29:42

Observation of the day - the jelly they use on you belly smells disgusting!!! Just had the longest shower!!!

Frootloopz Fri 01-Feb-13 14:45:25

Congrats face thats great news!!! lets hope its the start of a brooker BfP fest!!

sparks huuuuge congrats on little boy sparks!!!! Sparkplug?? Such lovely news. Did you enjoy the scan? Im pretty sure babyfrootz is a boy. However DH is pretty sure its a girl. We have a bet situation!

bartlett lovely to hear you can get your MLU birth and maybe even HB!!

And Green glad to hear the boob issue has been resolved!!

11 more days in the office for me and they cannot go fast enough. Sitting at this desk is like a form of physical torture. Added to that was the fact i couldnt lift my arm yesterday after the WC jab on Weds I had hit my limit but luckily full movement has now returned!!

NewYearNewBoo Fri 01-Feb-13 14:49:52

shock Froot is the wc jab that bad <wuss emoticon> sad shock I really don't like labs sadsad

Hope the next 11 days in fast and quite easy for you.

NewYearNewBoo Fri 01-Feb-13 14:50:18


TheLittleFriend Fri 01-Feb-13 16:29:27

Lots of you seem to rate the lansinoh cream, but I found it too thick and gloopy. Is it meant to sink in or sit on the surface? I'm wondering about giving it another go, as my nipples suffered no end with dd!

Frootz, enjoy the countdown to mat leave smile

Dd and dp still both unwell. I'm wondering if they've got flu, as I've not caught it, but have had the jab. Both very tired with hacking cough. Dd had fever initially for several days. Does that sound flu like, medically minded people?

NewYearNewBoo Fri 01-Feb-13 16:48:01

Oh Little hope they both feel better soon, I can be no help, I don't know the difference between a cold/flu/man flu (except the latter is most annoying) DH and toddly boo both have the hacking cough at the moment but no temperature with it.

Also no experience with the cream, never used it, didn't bf toddly and had nips of steel with teen, but will be keeping an eye on the replies. I'm not much help today Little sorry.

Frootloopz Fri 01-Feb-13 16:51:23

Oh sorry boo didnt mean to freak you out!! It didnt hurt at all going in, it was the next day really the muscle in my arm was just really sore. Its not too bad today so was just short lived smile im sure lots of people dont react to it, or maybe i tensed up my arm too much or something.

Lansinoh is soft at body temp, so warm it up a bit before putting on. Leaving it on a radiator for example works a treat. Auto correct just suggested leaving it on a racist. That would probably work too.

TheLittleFriend Fri 01-Feb-13 19:21:43

Ta Whims. I'll start warming the racist wink

GreenOlives Sat 02-Feb-13 08:46:29

little Flu usually has some gastric symptoms as well as the cold/cough ones too - they prob just have some horrible seasonal virus, glad you've escaped it so far! I used a Boots nipple cream last time which I loved but they don't make it any more sad The lovely biscuits sent me an almost full tube of Lansinoh so I've been using that but I've found it a bit thick too so thanks for the racist radiator tip! wink Talking of typos I was looking for some extra large muslins the other day but my phone auto corrected to Muslims - can you imagine what Google came up with!! grin

TheLittleFriend Sat 02-Feb-13 09:40:48

Thanks Green, dd did have a bit on a upset tummy, despite not eating, but only for about a day. We had a bit of a better night last night, so the end is in sight grin

BartletForTeamGB Sat 02-Feb-13 22:28:57

For a brief moment this evening, I thought I was going to win the Race of the Tripe Whammiers, but it was not to be. I had weeks of evenings of painful contractions with DS before I delivered at 40+9, so I shouldn't get my hopes up! It wasn't even as if it translated into a shorter labour as it took him 22 hours! Well, the competition is still on... wink

boo, the WC did make my arm a bit uncomfortable for a day or so afterwards, but it certainly wasn't anything painful. I deliberately got it in my right arm rather my left, as I'm sleeping on my left, but it was fine. Imagine us all holding your hands and you will be just fine!

green, glad your breast is better. We don't want any mastitis around here! One of my friends who has never been pregnant or BFing had mastitis a few years ago randomly, so I guess it can happen to anyone. I had mastitis with DS so I'm going to be on guard for the slightest hint of it this time.

little, not sure if it would be flu. We've all had bad coughs and colds this week and are all feeling a bit wiped out. DS keeps teling me he is "very tie-red, Mummy". It is very cute, but then he gets overtired and very upset very quickly.

Right, need to go to bed, so hello everyone else! Hope you are all having a lovely weekend.

TheLittleFriend Sun 03-Feb-13 08:16:46

I'm sure you're right Bartlet and Olives, it's probably not flu. I'm just being a bit selfish, and thinking if its flu, at least I've had the jab!!

Do you both find braxton hicks are worse in the evening? I seem to find that if I try and move after about 7, the bump goes in to a painful contraction. This is how I missed the signs I was in labour with dd, so need to be super cautious this time. We only got to hospital 40mins before she arrived!

Sounds very promising Bartlet. Brooking that none of us go overdue this time smile

NewYearNewBoo Sun 03-Feb-13 09:27:20

Oh my, those tripe whammiers are looking good for arriving soon smile it's all very exciting!!

I have to say I am loving my preggo dreams at the moment, last night was brilliant!! Kerry Katona was my best friend, Mark Wright (towie) was in love with me and wanted to marry me and when I went to hospital to have my baby (boy) I completely forgot to tell my family but was having a cup of tea with Stephen Fry grin

Hope you are all having a lovely weekend smile

GreenOlives Sun 03-Feb-13 15:45:47

boo Your dream sounds ace - a chavtastic start with an intellectual end!! grin

little My braxton hicks definitely ramp up a gear in the evenings and start hurting through to my back as well, I spend all evening huffing and puffing trying to get comfy on the sofa. Last night in bed I was being woken by strong period