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Jan 2013 Part 5: Once we pop (on time!), we just won't stop!

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New thread! I've lost my lovely spreadsheet <sob> so if someone can add in the stats and update, that would be wonderful; I'm sure someone else had a spreadsheet that was as anally organised as me

Birdies Mon 12-Nov-12 13:29:18

Nice one bunty, love the title!

Ps am watching a repeat of Lorraine and eating (i'm not hungry). Bag remains dreadfully unpacked blush

MarasmeAbsolu Mon 12-Nov-12 13:31:22

marking space!

Tugstonia Mon 12-Nov-12 13:35:37

Yippee! Thanks Bunty, great title smile

Birdies - pack that bag!

<tuts at birdies >

Pack that bag!

Does anyone have any good book recommendations, incidentally? I'm going to get my kindle charged and packed for the ever-optimistic view that I might have some time to read in hospital, and I've read everything I currently have downloaded. It'll probably languish, unloved, in my bag until I'm home and stuck to a couch feeding a newborn, but I'd rather take it and not use it, than need it and not take it!

Berniebennett Mon 12-Nov-12 13:48:14

Just marking my space!

But also we are due to have our travel system delivered today and was wondering what peoples thoughts are RE suppistitions (not sure if that's spelt right? Apologies) but do u believe it is bad luck to have it in the house before bump is born? This is my nana and mums thoughts?

happyhow Mon 12-Nov-12 13:50:22

Marking my place!

Birdies, pack your bag!!

We have our first antenatal class tomorrow. Labour part one. I'm hoping I feel better though - don't really fancy doing that when I'm all snotty and coughing...

Birdies Mon 12-Nov-12 13:53:07

Bugger. Ok gonna start bag in a bit and report back when done! (So if you don't hear from me for days you know I haven't done it haha!)

bernie I think most people would have pram in the house beforehand. But I am slightly OCD about other things so can't really advise except that common sense says good or bad things will happen regardless of where your pram is! But I've just touched wood about something else so i would be a hypocrite to say its a load of nonsense!!

happyhow Mon 12-Nov-12 13:53:51

Hey Bernie. My hubby is very superstitious so we've got basically nothing in the house yet - a couple of baby grows, a snowsuit and a toy... The furniture is ordered but we're not picking it up til after baby is born. Still to order our travel system but that will be the same.

SquealyB Mon 12-Nov-12 14:35:04

Excellent witty title Bunty.

Birdies how about doing a list first, then actually packing bag......procrastination will not help wink.

On the book recommendations, I am a bit of a sci-fi/fantasy nerd and LOVED the Game of Thrones series plus they are really long and there are loads of them.

Game of Thrones may be an excellent suggestion, Squealy - although are they heavy reading? I don't know if I can cope with something I need to concentrate on in a sleep deprived state!

bernie I refused to have the pram in the house for DS, but can't really escape it this time round as we're still using it for him! Granted, it's in the boot of the car most of the time, but it is definitely around.

Reminds me - really must get the buggy board sorted out soon, and wash the nest for the pram part ...

bealos Mon 12-Nov-12 15:08:25

I can't think of why you wouldn't want to get baby stuff in the house ready. Less panic when the baby arrives!


That's all.

Brugmansia Mon 12-Nov-12 15:27:50

I really don't understand these superstitions about waiting until the baby is here. If someone can provide a scientific explanation of how having a pram bought already and in the house may have an adverse consequence on my pregnancy I may be willing to reconsider. Otherwise I'd like to be prepared (and am enjoying bits of baby related shopping).

SquealyB Mon 12-Nov-12 15:28:55

I share the same feelings as Birdies - bad/good things will happen regardless of whether you keep the pram in the house or not. BUT If it wil stress you or your DP out then just do what suits you and don't get the pram yet. It would stress me out way more if I could not bring stuff into the house/get stuff bought and organised but horses for courses smile.

Bunty I think some people find them hard going because each little chapter deals with one charcter and their story so it jumps around a bit. I actually like this as I felt I could read one chapter on the tube on the way into work and then easily pick back up again hours later on the way home. Maybe get the first book now and see if you like it, then you can read book 2 in the hospital? They are literally heavy reading in paperback so I was v. grateful for my kindle in this respect too!

dieciocho Mon 12-Nov-12 15:33:12

Marking my place with the following comment:

I'm so tired (and cold and fed up of being fat).

pmgkt Mon 12-Nov-12 15:36:05

Marking place

newbie6 Mon 12-Nov-12 16:19:51

Yay - love the new title smile

Let's hope we all 'pop' on time and have 'positive popping' experiences smile


PricklyPickle Mon 12-Nov-12 16:30:54

Thanks for the thread Bunty although i can't believe the spreadsheet is lost! The rest of us are a bit useless so we rely on you to be the organised one.

Bernie our travel system hasn't arrived yet, but it should be with us in a couple of weeks. We'll be having it in the house as we want to play with it and get some practice in folding it up and putting the car seat on and off.

PricklyPickle Mon 12-Nov-12 16:32:25

I really want pringles now!

Pascha Mon 12-Nov-12 16:37:52

Pack my bag Birdie wink

One corner of my living room is currently a shrine to all things baby, mainly because the little bedroom is still a shit-tip until the new carpet goes down. Everything we need is in the house as there's nowhere else for it to go so Bollocks to superstition really.

I'm cold, may have to put some heating on in a bit.

Complicated24 Mon 12-Nov-12 16:44:13

Bunty thanks for lovely new thread. I don't have spreadsheet either. Can we just cut and paste stats from old thread or is that too low tech?

Had private scan today as been told wont get another one on NHS. Everything normal apart from baby's weight. Baby is very small, below 5th percentile, and is currently about 3 lbs. am having another scan in a weeks time to see if baby has grown. Am seeing Consultant on Friday so will be able to ask lots of questions then. Am 32 wks today so baby has time to get bigger but think I should take it easy now. Am finishing work next week so that will help. Anyone else in similar position now or with previous pregnancies?

After scan, went to Primark and bought really cheap nighties and a dressing gown so will wash that and pack hospital bag. Need to get a few more baby clothes, but at long last feel as though I am getting there.

Is your bag packed Birdies?!!!

complicated I'm not ant kind of expert but think 3lbs sounds normal
for this point? SIL had a dd at 34 weeks and she was only 4lbs plus I'm sure I read somewhere that towards the end babies are gaining 1/2 lb a week.

Superstition be damned I have to have baby stuff ready for baby before it arrives too much stress otherwise. Mind you so far it only has some clothes, nappies and a moses basket so we really need to get on with it! If nothing else we need a pram and a car seat!

prickly me too!

newbie6 Mon 12-Nov-12 16:59:52

I found this - think it's up to date but by all means add/amend if needed?

BuntyCollocks (29) DC2 EDD 28/12/12 (NE Wales) She's a girl!
Pmgkt (33) DC2 EDD 28/12/12 He's a boy!
Birdies (33) DC2 EDD 30/12/12 She's a girl!
Pascha (35) DC2 EDD 30/12/12 (Kent)*It's a surprise!*
PricklyPickle (31) DC1 EDD 31/12/12 (SE London - Eltham)
sanam2012 (?) DC2 EDD 1/1/2013 She's a girl!
LowLu (31) DC2 EDD 02/1/2013
TootieMaroo (32) DC2 03/1/2013
MarasmeAbsolu (31) DC2 EDD 03/01/13 (Scotland - Central Belt) She's a girl!
Lora1982 (30) DC1 EDD 04/01/13 He's a boy!
IsSpringSprangedYet (?) DC4 EDD 5/01/2013
DollFisher (28) DC1 EDD 5/01/13 She's a girl!
Allchik (30) DC1 EDD 06/01/13 It's a surprise!
Pockemuchka DC3 EDD 06/01/13 It's a surprise!
AriNi31 (?) DC2 EDD 06/01/13
Happyhow (26) DC1 EDD 07/01/13 (Scotland - Aberdeen) It's a surprise!
EmilieFloge (38) DC? EDD 07/01/13
Complicated24 (44) DC1 EDD 07/01/2013 It's a surprise!
Newbie6 (36) DC1 EDD 08/01/13 (Scotland - Ayrshire) He's a boy!
Norfolkinway (25) DC1 EDD 09/01/13
Octanegirl (34) DC1 EDD 09/01/13 He's a boy!
BumgrapesofWrath (30) DC2 EDD 10/01/13
DoIgetastickerforthat (age) DC4 EDD 11/01/13
Kim222 (30) DC1 EDD 11/01/13
Lulabel27 (29) DC2&3 (twins) EDD 11/01/13
CraftyGirly (26) DC1 EDD 11/01/13 She's a girl!
Cejay8 (32) DC2 EDD 12/01/13 It's a surprise!
Tinyeyes123 (30) DC1 EDD 13/01/13 She's a girl!
CreepyCrawly (21) DC1 EDD 13/01/13 (West Wales) She's a girl!
PixelCarrier (?) DC? EDD 13/01/2013 It's a surprise!
Shakemyhead (37) DC1 EDD 14/1/13 (West Yorkshire - Wakefield) She's a girl!
Godzookey (35) DC1 EDD 14/01/13 He's a boy!
PeshwariNaan (33) DC1 EDD 14/01/13
Hormonalhell (40) DC2 EDD 15/01/13 He's a boy!
Theboutiquemummy (35) DC1 EDD 17/01/13 (Norfolk)
ChutesTooNarrow (33) DC2 EDD 18/01/13 She's a girl!
Glorious (28) DC1 EDD 18/01/13 (SE London - Hither Green)
Tugstonia (33) DC1 EDD 18/01/13 (SE London - Crystal Palace) It's a surprise!
SpringFlowers (39) DC4 EDD 18/01/13 It's a surprise!
Eagleray (40) DC1 EDD 18/01/13
13mma (29) DC1 18/01/13
LetThereBeCupcakes (30) DC1 EDD 20/01/13
Silversixpence (29) DC2 EDD 20/01/13
mulan07 (27) DC1 EDD 20/01/13 He's a boy!
BadgerFace (34) DC1 EDD 21/01/13 She's a girl!
bealos (34) DC2 EDD 22/01/13 She's a girl!
AppleCrumples (?) DC4 EDD 22/01/13
PreggoFabulous (30) DC1 EDD 22/01/2012 (South West) He's a boy!
Bunny222 (31) DC1 EDD 22/01/13 It's a surprise!
Woody2313 (33) DC1 EDD 23/01/2013 (West Midlands - Shropshire)
SigningGirl (age) DC1 EDD 24/01/13
SquealyB (29) DC1 EDD 26/01/13 (SW London - Richmond) It's a surprise!
knuckingfackered (39) DC2 26/1/13
Mrsbugsywugsy (34) DC1 EDD 25/01/2013 (Sussex) She's a girl!
Thinkingpositivethoughts (28) DC1 EDD 26/01/13
MrsMallard (35) DC1 EDD 26/01/13 (Hertfordshire) She's a girl!
Salt1 (38) DC1 EDD 27/01/13 She's a girl!
Lilblondepessimist (33) DC4 EDD 28/01/13
MamaMary (31) DC2 EDD 28/01/13 She's a girl!
Sebsmama (32) DC2 EDD 29/01/13
BionicEmu (26) DC2 EDD 29/01/13
Missymoo (32) DC2 EDD 30/01/13
DiscoDomina (31) DC1 EDD 30/1/13 (West Midlands)
Brugmansia (35) DC1 EDD 31/01/13 (SE London - Kennington/Elephant and Castle)
Mummypud (32) DC3 EDD 31/01/13
PipIsOutNow (?) DC2 31/01/13
Deiciocho (32) DC1 EDD 31/01/13 It's a surprise!

Complicated24 Mon 12-Nov-12 17:08:59

AppleCrumbles I though 3 lbs sounds fine too but Dr seemed concerned so that's what got me worried. Had a McDonalds afterwards as thought that might help!

I haven't got pram in house yet as am superstitious. Baby shop are storing it for us. But do have other things we've bought or been given in house as garage leaks so don't want it stuff going mouldy in there.

pmgkt Mon 12-Nov-12 17:14:13

Moan time. I had a hospital appointment and Mil had ds1. I packed him lunch, so she didn't need to worry. He had breakfast yet when he got there she got him a muffin, then at lunch she got him an ice cream. I wouldn't mind but she is the first to moan if we give him a treat. Moan over

Well done on the new thread, just marking my place. Anyone else been feeling more emotional recently? I 've been a bit up and down this weekend

I'm not superstitious, had our pram for ages. The cat has been sleeping in it!

djvesi Mon 12-Nov-12 18:06:15

Added myself to the list smile

BuntyCollocks (29) DC2 EDD 28/12/12 (NE Wales) She's a girl!
Pmgkt (33) DC2 EDD 28/12/12 He's a boy!
Birdies (33) DC2 EDD 30/12/12 She's a girl!
Pascha (35) DC2 EDD 30/12/12 (Kent)*It's a surprise!*
PricklyPickle (31) DC1 EDD 31/12/12 (SE London - Eltham)
sanam2012 (?) DC2 EDD 1/1/2013 She's a girl!
LowLu (31) DC2 EDD 02/1/2013
TootieMaroo (32) DC2 03/1/2013
MarasmeAbsolu (31) DC2 EDD 03/01/13 (Scotland - Central Belt) She's a girl!
Lora1982 (30) DC1 EDD 04/01/13 He's a boy!
IsSpringSprangedYet (?) DC4 EDD 5/01/2013
DollFisher (28) DC1 EDD 5/01/13 She's a girl!
Allchik (30) DC1 EDD 06/01/13 It's a surprise!
Pockemuchka DC3 EDD 06/01/13 It's a surprise!
AriNi31 (?) DC2 EDD 06/01/13
Happyhow (26) DC1 EDD 07/01/13 (Scotland - Aberdeen) It's a surprise!
EmilieFloge (38) DC? EDD 07/01/13
Complicated24 (44) DC1 EDD 07/01/2013 It's a surprise!
Newbie6 (36) DC1 EDD 08/01/13 (Scotland - Ayrshire) He's a boy!
Norfolkinway (25) DC1 EDD 09/01/13
Octanegirl (34) DC1 EDD 09/01/13 He's a boy!
BumgrapesofWrath (30) DC2 EDD 10/01/13
DoIgetastickerforthat (age) DC4 EDD 11/01/13
Kim222 (30) DC1 EDD 11/01/13
Lulabel27 (29) DC2&3 (twins) EDD 11/01/13
CraftyGirly (26) DC1 EDD 11/01/13 She's a girl!
Cejay8 (32) DC2 EDD 12/01/13 It's a surprise!
Tinyeyes123 (30) DC1 EDD 13/01/13 She's a girl!
CreepyCrawly (21) DC1 EDD 13/01/13 (West Wales) She's a girl!
PixelCarrier (?) DC? EDD 13/01/2013 It's a surprise!
Shakemyhead (37) DC1 EDD 14/1/13 (West Yorkshire - Wakefield) She's a girl!
Godzookey (35) DC1 EDD 14/01/13 He's a boy!
PeshwariNaan (33) DC1 EDD 14/01/13
Hormonalhell (40) DC2 EDD 15/01/13 He's a boy!
Theboutiquemummy (35) DC1 EDD 17/01/13 (Norfolk)
djvesi (37) DC2 EDD 18/01/13 (Helsinki, Finland) She’s a girl
ChutesTooNarrow (33) DC2 EDD 18/01/13 She's a girl!
Glorious (28) DC1 EDD 18/01/13 (SE London - Hither Green)
Tugstonia (33) DC1 EDD 18/01/13 (SE London - Crystal Palace) It's a surprise!
SpringFlowers (39) DC4 EDD 18/01/13 It's a surprise!
Eagleray (40) DC1 EDD 18/01/13
13mma (29) DC1 18/01/13
LetThereBeCupcakes (30) DC1 EDD 20/01/13
Silversixpence (29) DC2 EDD 20/01/13
mulan07 (27) DC1 EDD 20/01/13 He's a boy!
BadgerFace (34) DC1 EDD 21/01/13 She's a girl!
bealos (34) DC2 EDD 22/01/13 She's a girl!
AppleCrumples (?) DC4 EDD 22/01/13
PreggoFabulous (30) DC1 EDD 22/01/2012 (South West) He's a boy!
Bunny222 (31) DC1 EDD 22/01/13 It's a surprise!
Woody2313 (33) DC1 EDD 23/01/2013 (West Midlands - Shropshire)
SigningGirl (age) DC1 EDD 24/01/13
SquealyB (29) DC1 EDD 26/01/13 (SW London - Richmond) It's a surprise!
knuckingfackered (39) DC2 26/1/13
Mrsbugsywugsy (34) DC1 EDD 25/01/2013 (Sussex) She's a girl!
Thinkingpositivethoughts (28) DC1 EDD 26/01/13
MrsMallard (35) DC1 EDD 26/01/13 (Hertfordshire) She's a girl!
Salt1 (38) DC1 EDD 27/01/13 She's a girl!
Lilblondepessimist (33) DC4 EDD 28/01/13
MamaMary (31) DC2 EDD 28/01/13 She's a girl!
Sebsmama (32) DC2 EDD 29/01/13
BionicEmu (26) DC2 EDD 29/01/13
Missymoo (32) DC2 EDD 30/01/13
DiscoDomina (31) DC1 EDD 30/1/13 (West Midlands)
Brugmansia (35) DC1 EDD 31/01/13 (SE London - Kennington/Elephant and Castle)
Mummypud (32) DC3 EDD 31/01/13
PipIsOutNow (?) DC2 31/01/13
Deiciocho (32) DC1 EDD 31/01/13 It's a surprise!

bealos Mon 12-Nov-12 18:14:16

oh dear pmgkt... that sounds like 'grandparent rules'. The things my mum lets ds1 do, that I would never, ever be allowed to do as a kid!!

Brugmansia Mon 12-Nov-12 18:31:06

"mrsbugsy" I've been emotional but I think it's a case of still being so rather than any more than I have been anyway for the last 6 months.

Marking place, will try and actually post more than once on this thread...

mrsbugs I've been ridiculously emotional. To the point I had a screaming match with DH and stormed off for half an hour blush

Not the finest moment for either of us. Back to loving harmony half an hour after that.

Welcome back, chutes!

CreepyCrawly Mon 12-Nov-12 19:42:03

Marking my place!

I've been an emotional wreck the last week or so. I got a 'new' car Thursday and cried for about an hour because I love my old car so much. Cried this afternoon because I'd just had enough of everything and wanted to go to bed.

Eaten a bit too much chocolate this evening and watched 3 episodes of 24 so feeling slightly better now smile

Birdies Mon 12-Nov-12 19:42:08

Complicated my bag is......well, in progress. But I've done well honest! I've piled loads of stuff up on our table and just need to get it into a bag. Was funny digging out the old enormous cheapie Asda pants I used after I had DD. Oh and bunty (I think it was you who recommended them?) I've found my nipple former things and it says I need to start wearing them for an hour a day, eek.

I was very emotional at the weekend, not like me at all.

Pascha, pack your bag grin

MarasmeAbsolu Mon 12-Nov-12 20:01:52

bag packing!? you are all very very organised! smile

The bag from last time is in a box somewhere
The baby room, is, well, ahem, still very much a dump site for all the other rooms, given impending arrival of the builders.

No idea who will look after DD when I go in for my CX, and since we have no family up here (and no intention of having visitors at that time) I might as well start thinking about it (but eh, why rush!?)

mmmm - and I am still piling on work on my plate, like there is no tomorrow (or no maternity leave upcoming).

On the plus side - I might have a finished kitchen (or at least a functional but not quite finished one) before Christmas!!

Pascha Mon 12-Nov-12 20:03:46

I've got the clothes out the loft! What more do you want from me? I keep looking at maternity pads and newborn nappies in the supermarket and mentally saying "nah!, not today" and walking on by. We're going to be the one scrabbling for stuff in between contractions aren't we?

Complicated I heard the thing about 1/2 a lb a week in the last 4 weeks so I wouldn't be worrying too much.

MamaMary Mon 12-Nov-12 20:05:19

Hello - marking my place too!

Which series of 24 are you watching Creepycrawly? DH and I recently finished the last series. Now we're on to Homeland!

Pascha Mon 12-Nov-12 20:06:17

This in-utero growth chart shows 3lb at 32 weeks to be well within the norm.

Oooh are people packing bags! I suppose I ought to even though still planning a homebirth. I have just been looking at birthing pools for hire grin

I have not been quite as terrifyingly and irrationally emotional as in my last pregnancy but I have had my moments. MIL offered us her washing machine last month, I said yes without really thinking about it because I got my ear chewed off as it was a Miele and therefore superior to my crappy hotpoint. Washing machine duly installed, I took one look at it and burst into tears, and sobbed, really sobbed, because it wasn't my washing machine. I then took to my bed whilst my very patient and very lovely partner and BIL removed it and reinstalled aforementioned crappy hotpoint.

So I think that is up there with crying for an old car!

CreepyCrawly Mon 12-Nov-12 20:22:00

Mama we've got 2 episodes left of series 3. DH has seen them all, I've seen series 8 and the first 2, and now almost all of the third. Homeland has been catching my eye, my hero Randall Flagg is in it. The Vice President I think.

I really need to get a move on with packing my bag. First, I need to get bag! Any recommendations??

CreepyCrawly Mon 12-Nov-12 20:23:16

Chutes that definitely trumps my crying for my car! Bless you!

katolla Mon 12-Nov-12 20:46:43

I've been up at night worrying about Gary barlows stillborn baby sad how likely is that and does anyone know what caused it? If it can happen to super rich people with all their medical care then what about us? %23irrational

marasme I suddenly realised yesterday that we have given no thought to who will take care of dcs when baby comes! Think my mum will probably come up. She lives an hour away by train and got here pretty quick last time but I should have a word with her and mil (who lives here but works) just so we're all ready! I tend to have quite longish labours so time shouldn't be a prob although mw told me it's poss as it's my 4th to go quite quick - I have been warned not to hang around!

I haven't been any more emotional than normal, I am much more irrational and cranky though. Practically everything pisses me off!

katolla that worries me too but think that's really rare

frillyhasababy Mon 12-Nov-12 20:52:00

Hey!! I'm gate crashing briefly grin I had my DD1 on September 10th and have been reading your thread a bit tonight (along with other's on my Thread). Please don't pin all your hopes on a birth plan! They rarely work out. Also, make the most of your sleep now and enjoy your bumps, trust me, you'll miss them once you've had your babies. Not because you won't love your baby, but because you will miss the little things: maternity clothes, people noticing you, the wiggles and kicks. Also, the first few weeks are tough, but so worth it! When you hit 4 weeks and they start to smile...oh it's fantastic!! smile Finally (then I will leave you in peace wink), of you want to breast feed, stick at it!! It's so worth it. My LO is EBF. It was hardcore to begin with but I used loads of Lansinoh Lanolin cream and it worked a treat.

Good luck everyone grin

woody2313 Mon 12-Nov-12 20:53:26

Oh and my baby's a surprise too smile

woody2313 Mon 12-Nov-12 20:54:52

Oh, somehow posted my ... posts (?!) in the wrong order!
Bunty have you read Before I Go To Sleep by S J Watson? - one of my favourite reads this year

frillyhasababy Mon 12-Nov-12 20:59:40

Oh, another thing...one of the girls on my thread said that you can breast feed lying down! Was a revelation to all of us who BF and made a huge difference for those that co-slept!

frilly once you've got the hang of it you can breatfeed in pretty much any position! I would never co sleep and feed at night like this though as would be terrified of falling asleep and squashing baby.
I did once wake up and find ds1 asleep with his face all squashed into duvet which was terryfying and is probably the image that kept me awake when feeding the next 2 babies!

frillyhasababy Mon 12-Nov-12 21:25:01

I never coslept either for the same reason!! I ended up moving my LO into her own room when she was just 6 weeks as she made so much noise when sleeping. Best thing I ever did. She sleeps through and is only 9 weeks smile I know it's agains advice, but the lack of sleep was killing me!

I did co-sleep and bf feed lying down but imho this is definitely best done if you have made a conscious decision to co-sleep and taken the necessary safety precautions (eg I didn't have a duvet or pillows on bed for first few months).

I used the first holdall I could grab when packing hospital bag. Was so convinced baby wasn't turning up until 42 weeks that I hadn't packed a bag when I went into labour at 39 weeks blush. I did inadvertently make life a lot easier for myself by packing baby bumf in separate bag, so this would be my top packing tip (that, and pack crisps).

Birdies Mon 12-Nov-12 21:42:35

I think packing your bag is usually recommended at around 32 weeks, although depends which website you look at!

I co-slept too (not at first though) and still do sometimes. Nothing beats waking up next to my DD and seeing her smiley little face. Although, I did find her on the floor once and that shocked me into putting her back in her cot for a while (I'm not a bad mummy honest, I had cot wedged next to bed, everything in place, but somehow she managed to slip down the side of the cot and onto some cushions). So you have to be absolutely sure all is safe and secure to do it. I've gone for a bednest this time round which means I can sort of co-sleep from the start.

Congrats on your new baby frilly!

Birdies Mon 12-Nov-12 21:44:58

Ps I'm just going for a small wheelie suitcase for bag - I've got nicer ones but then it seems a shame to have them getting grubby in hospital. Will also do one bag for labour and the first day and then one for after that if I'm still in.

Chutes good tip re the crisps! Also mars bars etc (though don't buy them too early - I'd eaten half of them before I went I to labour grin

I have not, woody I'll check it out! Thanks!

I totally didn't have to rebuy my 'for the hospital bag' snacks weekly because I kept eating them. liar

MarasmeAbsolu Mon 12-Nov-12 22:05:33

Pascha - I'll deffo be one of the ones wishing she'd bought the bloody mats, giant pads etc in time. Last minute all the way!

Frilly - I hate hate hate mat clothes. Will never miss them smile
Actually, I will BURN the lot!

Reminded me also that I don't quite like being noticed either - and for the first time ever over this pregnancy and last, someone (a male colleague) actually touched the bump. Could not believe it, as most people I know know I hate touchy freely stuff. Aaaaaarrrrrhhhhh.

looking forward to the best thing: being out and about with a baby snugly wrapped in a sling against your chest under a coat, and noone knowing that under all that bulge their is a lovely, milky smelling brand new baby smile

newbie6 Mon 12-Nov-12 22:53:34

Frilly, would love to make the most of sleep but sadly I cannot sleep no matter how hard I try, promise its not through want of trying....think there are quite a few of us like this sad least it's preparing us all I suppose! Congrats on your new baby x

Bunny222 Tue 13-Nov-12 00:05:59

Thanks bunty for new thread, and newbie for the list. Bealos and apple we're date buddies!

Had my steriod injection today. For those that dont know, 1) they do it in your bum cheek :-( and 2) it blinking hurts! Sorry, but better to be prepared! Have my 2nd one tomorrow. At least its good for bump incase he shows up early.

Also having a nitemare sleeping with SPD, awake since 3am so am now overtired. Had a 5am craving for apple pie!
Think ill be working from home again tomoro.

Hope youre doing ok girls.

Pascha Tue 13-Nov-12 04:15:48

morning girls! hmm

DS woke me at 3am, got him down and me back in bed half an hour later, he woke within 10 minutes so now DH is trying to sleep sitting up with a boy on him. I was all for leaving him longer to resettle but DH couldn't stand the noise so here we are.

I may doze off, you be never know...

Bunny222 Tue 13-Nov-12 05:53:44

Good luck pasha! Have managed two hours sleep only last night. Surely to god this wont last for the final two months :-(

Pascha Tue 13-Nov-12 06:32:49

Still here smile hello Bunny I now have DS asleep on me, I daren't move, my feet are freezing, I have a cricked neck, haven't slept since first waking and my phone battery is low now. At least I have tea on the way. Oh well, its all good retraining I suppose.

theboutiquemummy Tue 13-Nov-12 07:14:02

Thanks bunty for the new thread love the title x
pascha bless you I bet it's lovely having a snuggle

Had a disaster yesterday I fell onto some rocks onto the baby, didn't
Have time to stop myself it was awful. Ended up being ambulanced to
Early Delivery Unit only to find out little man is fine it's just me that's sore

The consultant said it's extremely hard to hurt the bubba at this stage you have to have a really bad car accident or a kick from a horse something like that to do damage, just in case like me you worry about bumping your bump !! So relieved

While I was there I could hear a woman crowning in the next room n her mil kept telling her to sssshh !!! Poor woman can you imagine it !

Pascha Tue 13-Nov-12 07:19:08


<rocks manically back and forth>

Pascha Tue 13-Nov-12 07:22:43

In all seriousness that sounds really horrible for you Boutique Glad baby is ok, I heard somewhere that the uterus is in about the most protected place in the human body so hopefully no harm done (to him) at all.

Poor woman being told to Sssssshhhh! shock I would have told them to fuck off it that was me!

Pascha Tue 13-Nov-12 07:23:20

Meant to ask if you hurt yourself very much?

theboutiquemummy Tue 13-Nov-12 07:33:29

pasha I fell straight onto my belly no hands or anything I'm ok just sore n bruised sad oh n my ego severely dented I was stranded on a beach with the tide coming in had the coast guard and the ambulance out !blushblushblushblush

Im sure I would have lunched the mother in law in the face if that was me !!!!

theboutiquemummy Tue 13-Nov-12 07:34:36

Punched I meant punched !! Pregnancy related short temper !!! angry

Pascha Tue 13-Nov-12 07:52:10

Totally allowed. Am now snuggled in bed with cold tea. Getting Up is for Other People. Meeting mum & dad for lunch later so they can take over with DS for a bit hopefully.

boutique glad you're old, what an awful fright. sad take it easy today.

bunny I may bang on about it as I'm converted, but have ou tried a chiropractor? I couldn't roll over or walk without nearly being in tears until last Tuesday - the difference is amazing.

pascha I feel for you, been there! Hope you get a nice lunch and break with your parents.

Currently repeating the mantra of 'only 23 working days to go...'

Birdies Tue 13-Nov-12 09:07:46

pascha I LOL at your maniacal 'ahahahah' !!

theboutique glad everything's ok. The mil telling her to sshh is horrendous. I don't think mine would dare (well, she wouldn't be there in the first place but anyway), if she did, I would also be telling her to F off.

Birdies Tue 13-Nov-12 09:09:56

Ps pascha how old is your DS?

Anyone else got a 16 month old? Just curious as to who will have a similar age gap when their new baby arrives (so mine will be 18 months).

Oh and any ideas for presents for DC from new baby? bunty what have you got yours? (I know you'll have got it already. And already wrapped?!!)

Pascha Tue 13-Nov-12 09:13:58

2.2 Birdies. Hmm, don't know yet about present as, of course, DC2 will be arriving on 15th/16th december wink - so close to christmas...

birdies mine will be 22/23 months dependant on when she puts in her appearance. Haha, present is bought and in my hospital bag, but not wrapping it! I got him a mr tumble matching puzzle, as he is obsessed with mr tumble atm. Nothing expensive as it will be just before/after Christmas.

dieciocho Tue 13-Nov-12 09:42:58

I've still got the present that my new baby sister "bought" for me 29 years ago! I was 3, it was a framed Winnie the Pooh picture.

Tugstonia Tue 13-Nov-12 10:52:05

boutique that must have been so scary, very glad to hear baby is all ok and hope you are too. That MIL in the other room would have been ejected if it were me! How dare she shhh!

TMI alert: discharge. Anyone else getting/had watery clear discharge? I've always had discharge but this is thinner than usual and I'm now scared it's my waters breaking. Surely I would know about it if it was my waters I'm just being massively paranoid?!

SquealyB Tue 13-Nov-12 11:00:22

mrsbugsy - I have been a bit up and down throughout pregnancy. I tend to have a massive melt down at least one a fortnight wink. Normally am very level headed so very strange feeling.

Can I have a massively self indulgent moment please ......as just don't think I can voice this in RL......blush

I had a lovely evening last night as DH took me to a seriously fancy restaurant for my birthday (which was last week but this was the only reservation for 3 months!). I felt thoroughly spoilt and nearly burst into tears at the table as I realised that I am generally so happy at the moment, how great 2012 has been and how much we have to look forward to in 2013 smile. Totally soppy though but trying to count my blessing as I can something get a bit wrapped up in the "pregnancy is hard and I am tired, moody etc." way of thinking and I am trying to be more positive.

See totally up and down, no doubt I'll be in tears by this evening grin!

SquealyB Tue 13-Nov-12 11:01:37

Boutique just read back in the thread and oh my gosh that must have been so so scary! Really pleased everything is ok.

CreepyCrawly Tue 13-Nov-12 11:18:35

boutique that must've been awful! So glad you're both ok.

Ah squealy that's lovely. I'm getting like that a bit too. An overwhelming feeling of happiness and contentment, and then I hear the 'beep' of the playstation being switched on!

I'm counting down the days until I finish, 13 left in work! I've got 3 weeks annual leave to take, so finishing on the 7th. It can't come soon enough!

CreepyCrawly Tue 13-Nov-12 11:20:51

I'm also counting down to an acceptable time to get started on my lunch!

happyhow Tue 13-Nov-12 11:21:53

Glad everything is fine Boutique. I have a feeling it will be my hubby telling me to shhh! We have Labour Part 1 tonight so we'll see how shell shocked he is when we leave - needless to say he's not looking forward to it!! He tried to wangle a work trip to Holland on Thurs meaning he'd miss Part 2 but he was told not to come back if he did...

I'm off work again today although feeling much better than I was yesterday.

On the emotional stuff I've pretty much been the same as normal apart from getting VERY VERY angry a couple of times at stuff other people have done. I did cry at my bro's wedding though which is most unlike me!! I've been thinking about my dad a lot though and all the things he's missing out on since he died. I'll be a mess about that when Baby is born because he'd always wanted to have grandchildren but life doesn't always work that way...

bealos Tue 13-Nov-12 11:22:09

My lovely doula, Rebecca, has written this article in The Guardian about breastfeeding dolls ....

"The debate surrounding the "Breast Milk Baby", a doll that allows children to pretend to breastfeed, highlights how confused we are about breastfeeding. So confused in fact, that a child imitating the biological norm is seen by some as "gross".


djvesi Tue 13-Nov-12 12:34:40

So glad you're OK Boutique and lets hope this is the most stress you'll have to deal with for the forseeable future! That MIL sounds insane, perhaps she was having flashbacks to her own birth? Scientology wanna be? Sheesh! I was in Emergency for 24 hours before they sent me for an emergency CS with DC1, I reckon I heard shrieking from child birth about every half hour. My god, didn't do much to calm me down I can tell you. Starting to get quite nervous and scared about the whole thing now. Anyone else thinking VBAC? Or elective CS?

squealy you're not alone, and no need to feel embarassed! I had a moment like that last night, the three (four I suppose!) of us were cuddled in my DS's bed whilst we read him a story goodnight, and he kept cuddling us both. Had a few tears spilled, it was just lovely.

happy glad you're feeling better, and so sorry again about your dad. I feel like that about my grandfather's, and my uncle. It's not the same as losing your dad, but I definitely wish things were different and that they were here.

tugs YES! I have had this for a good few weeks - it's even more worrying when it's <ahem> 'pooled' whilst I've been lying down/sitting and then comes out in a trickle. Definitely discharge though - have a good sniff <boak>, and check it. If it still looks milky, it's discharge. If it's properly clear, or any other colour, I'd get checked out.

Oh my goodness you have all been chatty! If we go on at this rate we won’t have any babies before we need a new thread!

Birdies My bag is not packed either. I have washed my ‘spare’ dressing gown and have found one suitable bag but that’s it. You are due nearly three weeks before me though. The gap between dd3 and dc4 will be two years and three months – the same as the gap between dd1 and dd2. I haven’t thought what to get dd3 for a gift yet either. She loves her dolls so maybe so baby accessories that she doesn’t already have (can you get a car seat for a doll?)

Bernie We are buying a Bugaboo Donkey which can be used as a single or double pram. DH is planning to start using it for dd3 as soon as it arrives…so not a lot of superstition here! Brugs & Bealos I’m with you on this one. Better to be organised to make things smooth after the baby arrives.

Complicated I think that right at the end of pregnancy a baby puts on about half a pound a week so there is still plenty of time to gain weight. Once you are off work you will do nothing but sit around and eat (if you’re anything like me) so that would help…

Pascha I got the newborn clothes out of the loft at the weekend and washed them. If my baby is a boy he will either be a pink one or naked. I really must go and buy some neutral clothes. Does anyone know where is good for unisex newborn things?

If I ever get organised and buy things for the baby (I haven’t done anything at all yet) it will all be stashed in our room. Dd3 co-slept with us for 15 months and then moved into her cot in our room. She is just over two now and has moved into her own room in the last week. I expect the baby will do the same. I have co-slept with all of my children and it has been the single most bonding experience for me. Apples I always feed lying down in bed too and it’s been fine. You must have been really scared finding your ds all squished in the duvet. I only have duvet over my back and sleep facing the baby – there won’t be any bedding anywhere near the baby at all.

MarasmeAbsolu What kind of sling do you have? I couldn’t get the hang of the newborn tie on my Kari-me but loved it once dd3 was a bit bigger. I’ve been watching you tube videos of how to tie for a newborn and am determined to be able to do it! I bought a maternity coat intentionally so I could sling the baby and still do my coat up.

Bunny I have SPD too and the night times are awful. I wake up every time I move I think. I had become so tired that I have been falling back asleep but the situation had become extreme last weekend. I hope you have been getting better sleep since you last posted. I’ve been listening to the natal hypnotherapy pregnancy relaxation track on my iPod to help me get back to sleep. Not exactly it’s intended use but it works well.

Boutique I really hope that you are ok, you must have been so worried. I’m glad your baby is ok. I hope you aren’t feeling too bruised today. I was very noisy in the final pushing part of labour last time (bloody gas was not working, cylinder was empty) and the midwife asked me to be quiet blush. It was a drug free labour and I went from 8 cm to birth in under ten minutes. Ouch. Of course I was noisy!

Tugs Put a pad on so that the discharge can drip onto it and call your labour ward. They will be able to tell from the pad if it is your waters, definitely shouldn’t take risks with this sort of thing so it’s worth getting checked out. You are going through it a bit, will you be glad when your baby is safely in your arms now?

Wow, a mammoth post, I must keep up so that that I haven’t got so much to catch up on. Is anyone else nesting? I am so busy cleaning my house at the moment and seem to be able to see dust and dirt that’s probably been there for a hundred years!

Good on your doula, bealos! An excellent article. The Daily Fail's is, predictably, about 'the breastapo' and how the doll is 'sick'. Eyeroll.

PixelCarrier Tue 13-Nov-12 13:40:54

Thanks for the new thread, & the stats update. My stats seem to have fallen off (or I never got them on- not sure which!) Anyway am 37 and it's DC1.

Tugstonia Tue 13-Nov-12 14:02:21

Thanks bunty and spring. I've got a pad on and it's a bit milky and has no odour so I think it's just discharge... I am ridiculously paranoid about everything now after the last few weeks and will be SO frickin happy when this baby is out and safely in my arms. I know I should 'enjoy the journey' and all that but I would really like to fast forward at least to Christmas now.

Squealy sounds like a lovely b'day dinner and evening, what a good DH smile

I so can't be arsed to do any work today grin

bealos Tue 13-Nov-12 14:06:29

tugz possibly tmi from me, but I've actually been leaving a damp patch on seats - through knickers and tights. Yes, really. Have taken to sitting on my jumper at work. Nice.

Tugstonia Tue 13-Nov-12 14:07:40

bealos what a great article, a voice of sanity and reason! A friend of mine's twatty husband and MIL were so disgusted with her breastfeeding ("it's pervy") they bullied her into switching to formula. They told her she was poisoning her baby by breastfeeding. WTF?? Anyway thankfully my friend went back to breastfeeding after a couple of days of formula and is now separated from her husband.

Tugstonia Tue 13-Nov-12 14:09:00

bealos ah so glad I'm not the only one!! I noticed a damp patch on my seat the other day it was mortifying. I knew things got a bit 'moist' down there but still.

dieciocho Tue 13-Nov-12 15:27:06

Woah, Tugs, do real people actually believe/say things like that?!

interesting to hear that others have been feeling emotional. I have been quite calm throughout most of the second trimester, but now I am starting to feel hormonal and prone to bursting into tears at any moment.

Chutes where do you hire a birthing pool from and how much does it cost? I've been watching a few on ebay and they seem to go for around £50. I'm not going to get once till a bit later on, in case something comes up that stops me from having a homebirth.

boutique that sounds terrifying, glad you are OK now.

Tugs I'm sure I read somewhere that your waters can go with a trickle instead of a bang. I am having a lot of discharge these days and (TMI alert) I am wearing one of the light pantliners, but it is always white and sticky.

Squealy that sounds like a lovely birthday. It's so easy to get bogged down in the physical discomforts, you have reminded me to take a step back and remember how amazing and magical it is that we are growing whole new people.

I had a terrible night last night, I barely slept as on top of the usual discomforts I seem to have picked up a nasty cough. I have coughing fits where I cough so much I can't breathe and think I am going to be sick. I also can't face eating anything. I think it must be some kind of virus. sad I went home from work at lunchtime so am now chilling out in bed.

Does anyone else feel quite uncomfortable when they walk? I have an uncomfortable poking feeling low down towards the front of my bump,like the baby is bouncing up and down on one of my internal organs.

Brugmansia Tue 13-Nov-12 15:52:16

I've been finding walking uncomfortable for a while now. After a short while it's painful just under my bump. I don't have any other pelvic pain, just when walking.

Same here brug

Birdies Tue 13-Nov-12 16:21:39

I get pain sometimes from walking and then it lasts the rest if the day. It's low down and kind if where my legs join my pelvis - like they're not in their sockets properly! Then I struggle carrying DD about and going up the stairs for the rest if the day, but I keep going as I need to burn off all the chocolate!!

Spring I'm glad you decided to get the Donkey. Mines arriving on 3rd Dec, very exciting!!

Tugs I've worn pantyliners the whole time, couldn't be without them. I think it's very normal what you're experiencing.

Brugmansia Tue 13-Nov-12 16:25:58

I have heard from my midwife that my blood sugar is raised so I gave to have a glucose tolerance test.

SquealyB Tue 13-Nov-12 16:34:09

Thanks for putting up with my sentimental mush...glad to know I am not the only one. Still beats the almighty rage I felt in the second trimester. DH out-did himself this year, have informed him this sets a dangerous precendent for married life.

Tugs appauled by what your poor friend faced! When you look at some of the comments people make re. breastfeeding it boggles the mind.

On the walking front, I am exactly the same mrsbugsy and brug. Kind of a sharp pain on lower left bump to be precise but usually only happens after around 10 mins. Fair to say I am also a bit (ehm) moist down there too.

Be sure to rest up mrsbugsy and take it easy.

Wow you ladies can talk!

spring that incident with ds1 was 9 years ago and it's still one of my clearest memories I was absolutely convinced I'd killed him and so careful not to fall asleep when feeding the others. Co sleeping just doesn't feel safe to me, although I do have a system that means I never have to actually get up in the night grin

bealos and tugs that's happened to me too. I have noticed a constant wet feeling but I think I remember having this with the others too so poss normal!

mrsbugsy I feel pretty unconfortable when walking. Really heavy like my legs are carrying too much. Doesn't help that we live up a hill and I'm getting so slow I now send ds1 ahead with the keys, then I have to have a good long sit to recover!

tugs I am shocked that anyone can be like that over breast feeding! My ds1 used to pretend to breast feed his teddy when I was feeding his brother! (he would kill me now for telling people that)

Sorry to anyone i've missed <waves>!

Still not sleeping, finally went off late last night then woken up by dd coughing and needing her inhaler and dp failed to notice! Just can't get comfy sad

boutique meant to say glad you and baby are ok. Hope your not too bruised and taking it easy for a bit

MamaMary Tue 13-Nov-12 16:52:22

Breastfeeding lying down is great. But then I always had to sit up to wind DD, so it prevented me blissfully falling into sleep - DD was then swaddled and put into her moses basket! Couldn't have slept otherwise. But then I like my personal space in bed. And DD loved her moses basket and cot.

RE walking - I'm starting to think I walk really poorly when pregnant (or maybe all the time!?) I seem to lean to one side which isn't good.

Boutique, what a shock - I'm glad you and bump are ok.

Bunny why did you get a steroid injection? Sorry if I missed why upthread.

This thread is never going to last until we produce a baby smile ...

pmgkt Tue 13-Nov-12 17:51:45

No it won't spring, once people are on mat leave it will speed up even more.

I had a hospital appointment yesterday and they have now booked me in for 2 sweeps and already booked my overdue c section date scary

Complicated24 Tue 13-Nov-12 18:32:28

Just back from work and can't believe there is so much to catch up on. Pregnancy would be a million times harder without you lot. You are all fab. See I'm mushy too!

Boutique how terrifying. So glad you are both ok but what a horrible thing to happen. Friend of mine tripped and fell off a London bus about same stage in pregnancy a couple of years ago. And bus driver just drove off leaving friend in street. Shocking. Anyway point if this story is that baby was fine and is now a strapping strong two year old boy. Big gentle hug.

salt1 Tue 13-Nov-12 19:24:26

has anyone been to an anti natal class yet, we have first one on thursday and wondering waht to expect x

Boutique that sounds like a horrible experience and I hope you are recovering well. I am comforted by what the consultant said about how well protected our babies are though, especially as my three year old spends most of the day launching himself onto me from great heights.

mrsbugsywugsy this is the site I am thinking of using here. It is £80 for a five week hire (37 - 42 weeks). I was thinking of buying but then I realised that I would just have to then store it all somewhere or deal with selling it afterwards and I frankly cba. I like the idea of someone coming and taking it away afterwards! Having said that I am watching a birth in a box on ebay that is very local to me, so will get if it stays bargainous.

katolla Tue 13-Nov-12 20:36:25

salt1 ours is next monday, let us know what happens! is it the nhs one?

boutique, how scary, glad you are ok. Is pregnancy supposed to make your balance worse? Mine seems terrible.

I'm supposed to play the cello in a concert next week but it'll mean lugging it on three buses minimum that evening, plus the tube the next morning. But i really want to go sad

happyhow Tue 13-Nov-12 21:29:49

We're just back from the "Labour Part 1" class. It's NHS. Was ok but don't know that I learnt anything that new. Was all a bit awkward but then hubby and I find anything like that awkward!! Learnt some massaging techniques for hubby to do in early labour and when to actually go in to hospital but apart from that, it was mostly common sense. Thursday is "Labour Part 2" which is more about what happens in hospital and all the pain relief options etc so I think that will be more useful.

Don't think Baby likes all the coughing I'm doing... Keep getting a good punch/kick after every coughing fit!! My stomach muscles are properly sore though! More so than when I'm not pregnant and coughing lots.

Hazeleyedbaby Tue 13-Nov-12 21:54:39

Hello - I've just found this thread, can I join you? I am due DC2 on 8th Jan, DS1 was a month early so getting a bit anxious incase I have another prem baby. Looking forward to finishing work as I'm out the house 60hrs a week and it is killing me! 13 working days left and counting!

Hope everyone is well and hope I can catch up on the thread.....

pmgkt Wed 14-Nov-12 06:55:57

Hi hazel. A few of us Jan people had our dates moved to end of December and so belong to both groups, feel free to do the same if you would like. I bet you are counting down the days, that's not fun.

Lora1982 Wed 14-Nov-12 07:47:32

im a bit worried about not being booked ito an antenatal class yet. there was talk of a parenting craft at the sure start but thats not what im after is it?!? only 7 weeks and no clue what to expect appart from reading other peoples experiences.

so i no u push like your pushing a poo and i know that out of all pain relief if i have any il just ask for epidural.

ive got to go hospital in a minute for highish bp yesterday and protein AND another growth scan so i will ask them... no doubt i will be fobbed off and told to ask the midwife who i wont see til theres only SIX weeks left. yes im stressing....

Brugmansia Wed 14-Nov-12 08:06:56

Does your nhs trust offer them? Ours does and there's no need to book. They have them every month so I may go to the ones in January once I'm on maternity leave.

I'm also doing nct and you may still find spaces if you fancy that and don't mind paying. Mine don't start until December, but I'm not due until late Jan. When I was looking they had some compressed courses, eg just a few long sessions at weekends.

Lora1982 Wed 14-Nov-12 08:20:05

yes they are offered here but other than mention their excistence on the website theres no info on booking in for them or who to see.

Not sure i could pay out for nct so i may just have to wing it (labour :-D)

Brugmansia Wed 14-Nov-12 08:22:11

That's a bit rubbish. My midwife mentions them and explains when they are and where every single appointment.

Lora1982 Wed 14-Nov-12 08:55:32

well my mums coming hospital with me now cos shes angry ive not got it sorted and i havent asked to look around the delivery rooms either. :-D but she did say that she only went to one class with all three of us so maybe i wont be missing out on anything

bealos Wed 14-Nov-12 09:02:22

It seems to be very different at each hospital. However, you can request to look round any hospital's antenatal facilities - I did this when I was expecting ds1 and saw 4 London hospitals.

My friend who's at St Thomas' has had a total of 2.5 days of antenatal classes! Homerton seem to provide a few evening sessions (they may have improved, but they were pretty rubbish last time I went - plastic baby doll being forced through a plastic pelvis!).

Pascha Wed 14-Nov-12 09:04:27

I only managed one class with DH last time and the tour of the unit. I would say the tour was most important for us so DH knew where to take me and how to get in etc.

I picked up a birth pool in a box from a local NCT sale for £25, I checked it for air leaks and its fine. I do have to go and buy a liner and filling kit now though which will add another £47. It still adds up but not as much as a new one. TBH, if DH hadn't spotted it nestling under a table I may not have bothered with one at all because of the whole time it takes to set it up and fill it (Anywhere between half an hour and 2.5 hours to fill depending on our water pressure, apparently) Might have had the baby by then...

Brugmansia Wed 14-Nov-12 09:47:46

I'm St Thomas'. There are about 3 daytime sessions and they really encourage you to go.

I did not go to ante natal classes with DS and I do not feel I missed out on anything. I felt from friends experiences that they were so focused on the birth and nothing else that the fact you end up with a baby was a bit of a shock afterwards. Whereas I wanted to focus on the birth being a tiny, small stage of an incredibly long (well, life long!) journey I was about to undertake and get my head in the right place for that.

Thats not to say I didn't prepare myself for birth - I read about it ferociously, and once I was off work discovered hours of childbirth programs on various Sky channels. I would say you can prepare yourself excellently if you need to, although this reminds me I actually need to start listening to the hypnobirthing cd I have for this birth.

Complicated24 Wed 14-Nov-12 10:00:20

We attended first NHS parent craft last Sat and got another one this Sat. It was a packed class. We did tour of delivery suite which was really useful as I now feel much happier about things. Room was much more modern and clean than I thought it would be. Hospital is old and run down. We then discussed pain relief and signs of labour and when to ring up Labour Ward. We found it useful. Not sure what we will learn in next class. But a few people had already attended NCT classes (ours start in couple ok wks time) and got told off for taking up spaces on course. Thought that was out of order as when book class they don't tell you not to attend if doing NCT classes. And don't get tour of hospital in NCT class which is the most useful bit, but course instructor said you can't just attend to see labour ward. Think she was having a bad day! Great to meet other equally clueless parents to be.

MamaMary Wed 14-Nov-12 10:58:32

The last class I went to (last time) was for all about breastfeeding. I guess it was the most useful of them. A real live mother and baby came and breastfed in front of us all, and talked about her experience.

However I feel with hindsight that the difficulties of breastfeeding are glossed over in antenatal classes

CreepyCrawly Wed 14-Nov-12 12:18:34

Afternoon ladies! I'm looking for one of you to tell me that my house will not fall down if I sit and do nothing at all this afternoon! I'm off work (I don't work wednesdays anyway) and have a busy thursday and friday as I'm travelling to the south of england for my grandad's funeral.

I'm in such a bad mood today too, every little thing is irritating me!

And another thing, has Kevin Bacon always looked as hot as he does in the advert he's currently in or is it my pregnant brain?!

Hope everyone is well!

allchik Wed 14-Nov-12 13:14:11

haha creepy i hate to say it but that may be the baby brain!!??...and yes, sit relax do nothing smile

I did the NCT weekend classes, to be honest i dont think anything was covered that i didnt already know from reading books/speaking to friends with babies....but I did it more to meet people as dont know any mums in my area.

Im getting a bit stressed about people who keep telling me Im small for 32 weeks.....sure they dont mean anything but as I was measuring 2cm under at my last appointment Im now getting paranoid that the baby isnt growing properly.....which is stupid Im sure. Have got 2 more weeks till my next midwife appointment too sad

Thanks, I spent yesterday afternoon in bed. Today i had booked a day off work (study not relaxation!) so I am sitting on the sofa on MN working.

Welcome Hazel

Chutes, thanks for the link, it's actually really useful info on the different types of pool. It does look cheaper to buy on ebay though. I have a loft so could store it up there for future births, or sell it on.

Mama plenty of people have told me not to worry about the birth, and that the real difficult bits are afterwards - lack of sleep, breastfeeding. But even though I believe them on an objective level, somehow none of those can conjure up the same level as terror in my mind as the idea of squeezing a large baby's head out of my fanjo grin

Brug good luck with the GTT. Had you eaten anything sugary before the last blood test? As apparently that can make your sugar levels high even if you don't have GD.

Katollacan you get someone to go with you to carry your Cello for you?

Lora hope you are OK. I think most people go to antenatal classes to meet others whose babies are due at the same time, all of the information you need is easily available on the web/in a book/on MN.

I've been given no information on NHS antenatal classes either, although I did tell the midwife I am booked on a private one so maybe that's why. I would go to the NHS one for the hospital tour, except I've been told they don't do tours at our hospital. Maybe I am odd but the idea of going somewhere to give birth that I've never been to before makes me feel very anxious; that was one of my reasons for wanting a homebirth. Of course there is always a chance I will need to transfer in, which is why I would still do the tour anyway if it was on offer.

x-posted with allchik (see I am working as well as posting, honest)

I measured 24 weeks at 25, then I measured 30 weeks at 29. Either it's not an exact science, or babies just have growth spurts at different rates or I stuffed myself with cake for the last month

SquealyB Wed 14-Nov-12 13:39:57

Creepy definitely baby brain smile.

Welcome Hazel.

I have had no info on NHS antenatal classes either but have booked in for labour ward/MLBU visit on 20 November and NCT classes so hopefully that will be it covered....

allchick please remember the fundal measurements are rough guides only, your LO is probably growing fine and dandy in there. If you are measuring really small they will send you for a scan but try not to worry to much until then and be sure you eating enough etc. (especially if exercising) (no problems on that front here grin).

My neighbour gave me a breast feeding DVD yesterday - that'll be fun viewing......DH is amazed that such things exist. May have to bring out the popcorn this evening grin.

Birdies Wed 14-Nov-12 14:27:43

Welcome hazel

allchik I can't talk as I worried about that too, but really you can't worry until you're a lot more out cm-wise than that. Ignore comments re bump - size of bump is actually quite deceiving and big babies can pop out of what looked like a smallish bump! Actually and vice versa - my DD was very small but I measured right throughout. So going by bump size is actually a bit pointless. Even my midwife admitted that the last time I saw her.

I had a lovely dream about Barack Obama, I do like these pregnancy dreams!

Talking of US presidents....Bush (ooh I'm very pleased with my link!), when are you gonna tackle yours?! I can't even see mine now so I'll have to get a mirror and wax myself. I remember it being mildly traumatic last time as the fanjo had changed colour but I'm not unleashing a hairy one on the midwives....

CreepyCrawly Wed 14-Nov-12 14:27:47

Seems there's more Kevin Bacon for me then!

allchik the measurements the midwives do are not reliable at all. I was measuring really big at my 28 week appointment and so was referred to a consultant. Went to see him, had a scan and it turned out she is right on track and just the upper side of normal.

happyhow Wed 14-Nov-12 15:07:40

Haha Birdies!!! That made me giggle a lot and congratulations on how you managed to link that! I've got an epilator in the shower that I've been using every now and then to try and keep it vaguely under control but I keep missing bits. Think I'm going to have to get a mirror out to do a proper job - like you, there is no way that I'm going all natural for the birth!! If all else fails, I'll get some hair removal cream (and make sure that hubby is out...).

I'm off work again today but I felt I should play it safe and just make sure that I'm pretty much better before going back. I have however just spent the last 3 hours writing 2nd year reports so I don't feel so bad about being off. Also have more work to do this afternoon and evening.

I have to say that I kinda agree about the Kevin Bacon thing Creepy.... I'm not sure if it's just pregnancy or not but I don't really care!!

CreepyCrawly Wed 14-Nov-12 15:11:13

I've got a Venus razor that has 'pads' of shaving gel on them that are quite good for 'keeping control'.

happyhow I'm glad its not just me! A bit gutted I'll have to share him now though. I think he has a bit of a Rob Lowe look.

Birdies Wed 14-Nov-12 15:16:47

creepy I read that as "A bit gutted I will have to shaVe him", I thought perhaps you called your fanjo a 'he' which would be a little strange. Although i guess even calling it a 'she' might be considerd odd too!!

SquealyB Wed 14-Nov-12 15:17:52

Loved the segway birdies

I must confess to recently using DH's beard trimmer for this purpose......safer than a proper razor IMO as no open blades and keeps it neat. Obviously give it a good clean afterwards grin. I am terrified of hair removal cream after adverse reaction once.....

SquealyB Wed 14-Nov-12 15:39:44

Should probably add the DH really only uses for nose hair trimming (as he is clean shaven) so he has no major objections.....might be different if he was using it every day.

allchik Wed 14-Nov-12 15:49:27

Thanks ladies! Had a word with myself to get a grip! MW not at all worried n neither was I till the comments,being pregnant has def made me think bout what u should/shouldnt say to a preggo lady!

I am also going to tackle the lady garden before due date,just gonna cover it with immac n hope for the best lol! More for hygeine afterwards really.

Theres a dead funny thread in 'childbirth' called childbirth humiliations,it had me in tears but also now cringing bout t likely fact that il poo in the birthpool/bed!! Have a read n prepare to cringe! smile

I'm booked for my waxing next week, and then at just shy of 38 weeks to take care of things down there ;)

Lora1982 Wed 14-Nov-12 16:19:58

so my lovely mum handed me what looks like everything id ever need today bouncer moses basket and srand loads of clothes towels muslins bottles boob pump literally everything! the steriliser and bath are still hidden in my old bedroom.. (saw them when i went loo...to spy)

apparently for the classes i just call up sure start so thats sorted..when i can be bothered.

i had another growth scan today and the lady gave us a freebie picture. everythings measuring 37 when im 32 and one of the measurements was off the little scale :-D ive read on here that bigger babies can be easier to get out though so my hopes are pinned to that!

in other news Kevin Bacon doesnt seem to age and my back absolutly kills x

Different people tell me I'm either big or quite small bumpwise. I think I'm small but am petite anyway and according to mw spot on for weeks. I don't think bump size means much anyway. With ds1 even at 2 weeks overdue they were sure he'd only just be 7lb. He was 8lb. Ds2 mw was clear he wouldn't be any smaller than 8lb (I freaked) he was dead on 7lb. Stopped listening with dd...

Oh and kevin bacon is just wrong alan rickman all the way

Can I just say I have absolutely no intention of doing anything with 'down there'! 3 babies have come out already and never once has being perfectly natural been any kind of issue!

CreepyCrawly Wed 14-Nov-12 16:45:09

People tell me different thing about my bump too. Some people say I'm carrying tidy while others say I'm huge.

My sister told me that the bigger they are, the easier they are. My 2 nephews were both nearly 10lb and were apparently easier than my 7lb niece.

Mixed feelings on Kevin Bacon it seems grin I've never thought much of Alan Rickman, but having just googled I have to agree that he is quite dishy!

re. bump size comments, I have also been told I am big and small by different people, on the same day. I think people are just making conversation, and it depends more on what they think you would want to hear (small = well done for not getting too fat; large = you are growing a nice healthy baby), than on your actual size.

I have developed a proper crush on Darrell in the Walking Dead...

CreepyCrawly Wed 14-Nov-12 17:08:02

mrsb I've just googled him and he is NICE! grin

Aha, you should see him when he is rescuing damsels in distress from zombies...

happyhow Wed 14-Nov-12 17:37:52

I'd ragged have Andrew Lincoln... I've loved him since his teachers days and he just seems to get hotter...blush

happyhow Wed 14-Nov-12 17:38:09

Ragged = rather!!!!

Complicated24 Wed 14-Nov-12 19:30:00

birdies your US President link had me in stitches. I get waxed regularly to keep things neat and tidy and usually have an extended bikini but are you talking a Hollywood or Brazilian with whole lot waxed? That would be painful but needs must I suppose. Just hope pain doesn't induce labour!

Just come back from a posh work lunch with DH and everyone told me bump was small. Totally paranoid as had scan other day and was told baby was below 5th percentile. I love my bump and thinks its huge but apparently not. Baby is lovely and active though so am trying not to get stressed as that won't help baby grow.

godzookey Wed 14-Nov-12 19:56:39

Evening Ladies,

So am fully vacc'd up now, flu jab last Sat and had whooping cough jab today as part of my 31 week check up.

am sleeping fine BUT walking is a bit of an issue - sounds mental i know but am seriously waddling. Also got the doc to write me a note re altered hours - sick of commuting and with only 4 weeks to go, just want to come in later and finish early where i can.

Im half way through NCT classes, they 're good but have to admit, main reason for doing it was to buy myself a bit of a mum and baby social life but cos the classes are at such a stupid time ( monday night 8pm - 10pm), we're all too knackered to make small talk and everyone just wants to dash off home straight after the classes so not sure how that's gonna work out!!

Had a dream about an ex of mine but no chance to act anything out with DH as i have now decamped to the spare room so we can both get a decent night's sleep -I cannot cope with his snoring/tossing and turning/mumbling any more!!

Tugstonia Wed 14-Nov-12 20:01:44

Just back from work and so much to catch up on! Love it. Think my work (one of them) have finally realised I'm leaving in 4 weeks and so they're panicking and piling on the work. Not amused. Counting down the seconds til Mat Leave.

Agree that it's annoying people commenting on bump size. I usually get "you're huge" quickly followed up with "but it's all bump" (it isn't - my thighs and arse are mahoosive). Wish people would just shut up!

The other day DP pointed at my bush and laughed so I think it's time I took action on my lady garden as well grin

Andrew Lincoln and Kevin Bacon and Darryll - YES!

Tugstonia Wed 14-Nov-12 20:05:42

godz am waddling too. Great that you can change your work hours, commuting is a bitch.

pmgkt Wed 14-Nov-12 20:15:30

godz i was the same at our NCT classes with ds1. they were late, and everyone just wanted to head off afterwards. Why dont you suggest swapping numbers now and you can text them a bit during the week, and then when you finish have numbers to meet up. Our friendship only really kicked off when we were on mat leave, and that was after the classes finished. 2 and a half years all we all say that we bought each other and we are the best friends you could ever buy. it will come. i have never heard of anyone who hasnt at least stayed friends til they were back at work so it will be fine

I Hollywood, have done for a few years now, and it's nice not to have to deal with the gore getting stuck in the hair after birth!

I am experiencing proper braxtons tonight - always thought they'd make the bump go hard and be different from contractions, but no, they're jut like my contractions were, but milder and obviously less frequent. Not nice though! Feels like I'm on my period. Yuck.

22 working days ... Hurry up dec 7th so I can start wishing this baby out (and subsequently fuck off on maternity leave early if she does arrive!)

Question: braxtons = earlier baby? please say yes

Agree with pmgkt we never did anything in our nct group until the babies arrived, now we do a night out often with the group, and one lay and I are very close and have dinner a couple of times a month. They're great for the social aspect and making 'mummy friends' boak, but the information is nothing you can't find out yourself without any hassle.

Birdies Wed 14-Nov-12 20:35:59

bunty I think it's only if they get more and more frequent. I've been getting ones for ages now where I literally have to stop what I'm doing and breathe until they go. And no baby yet! I don't want to speak too soon though as its still a tad early!

complicated, no just a bikini wax and I'll attempt to just trim the rest. As I'm doing it myself I wouldn't trust myself not to pull my whole nunu off if i tried to wax everything!

Oh, early as in 37 weeks would do me, birdies!

bunty have had lots of braxton hicks with all dcs and I'm afraid they were all late! Have had loads of really strong ones recently but remember this from last time (although she was only 3 days over..)

I will be very happy if this one decides to come out a little bit early but I would then have 2 birthdays plus Xmas within a few weeks which could get a little expensive smile

Hazeleyedbaby Wed 14-Nov-12 21:15:11

Thanks for welcoming me to the board smile

Erm - I have tasked DP with tending the lady garden, he doesn't bat an eyelid and needs must as I cannot see my feet let alone down there grin

I had one NHS AN class with DS and went into labour the next day, not bothered this time around as coped fine without.

Glad to see I'm not the only one on the count down to maternity leave!

Lora1982 Thu 15-Nov-12 06:24:00

just had a chat with my guy... being as i currently get up at half five to take him work cos hes not passed his test yet. He said that he would not be doing any five am feeds that crop up cos he has to go work!!!!! Now me being me will not allow this selfishness to continue when the time arises. just saying boyo WATCH OUT!!! :-D

dieciocho Thu 15-Nov-12 07:52:36

Definite "yes please" to Andrew Lincoln Happy!

djvesi Thu 15-Nov-12 11:24:01

hazel me too! In fact, the slight mention to DH that he might help me out in the lady garden department was enough to get him rather enthused! I think we'll be keeping pretty trim in the coming weeks smile

AriNi31 Thu 15-Nov-12 11:41:02

Yes to Andrew Lincoln - I like him in Love Actually! Actually have been quite taken myself with David Haye in I'm a Celeb. Its the muscles! (And bless my DH he is nothing like him!)
I'm finding myself absolutely shattered. I'm a primary teacher, still 4 weeks to go til I'd planned starting maternity leave but I just feel so exhausted. Also the morning (all day for me!) sickness has returned. Grim. Do not think I am much of a mummy to DS or a wife to DH at the moment!

Quick question if anyone knows - I know we obviously have to monitor movements etc.... I do feel the baby move but sometimes it's like she's going nuts in there! I'll have like 30 minutes of maybe frenzied activity... I got a bit worried that maybe she was distressed, but then it always seems to settle. Do you think I should get checked or just leave it til next midwife appt next week? There seems SO much to worry about in pregnancy and I feel like a new mum despite having a child. DS is 5 so it's a long time ago!

bealos Thu 15-Nov-12 14:57:38

I've never heard of a baby moving manically being a sign of it being distressed in the womb? Sometimes they move loads, other times less so. I guess a bit like all of us!

Ari I am fairly sure that fetal movement is only ever a good thing. Can you call and speak to your midwife for reassurance? My baby appears to have a disco most evenings, she is so different to DS who just gave me a courtesy kick every couple of hours.

34 wk midwife appt went well - baby is fixed at brim. Exciting times - DS never engaged until 40+ weeks, so despite the fact she has more options being a second baby, she's at least in the right vicinity!

Not seeing her now until 37 weeks shock: I could have a baby in three weeks time!!!!!

theboutiquemummy Thu 15-Nov-12 16:17:07

Hi lovelies my bump has mad moments n then still for a bit x the consultant said it's the baby's pattern that matters more then how much x

Give your midwife a ring if you're not sure

Birdies Thu 15-Nov-12 16:38:51

Ari I had the same worries about too much movement but the midwife wasn't fussed. Sometimes my baby feels like she's doing rapid squats and lunges, it feels very frantic. But then it slows down again. It's nothing to worry about.

I'm fuming. My BIL phoned DH to say he 'wasn't having a go' but had he seen the paper today on how drinking in pregnancy harms your child. It was 'our choice' what to make of that information but he wanted to make us aware.

For fucks sake. Just because his wife won't even take a bloody paracetamol whilst pregnant means I'm getting judged for the exceptionally small amount I've drank over the course of my pregnancies? I can literally count it on one hand, and I use a measuring jug and unit calculator to make sure it's a unit or less.

Bit fucking late at 8 months now, isn't it? Lets just lay the guilt trip on!

Did the same with DS, and have been told by nursery and health visitors he's extremely bright.


Complicated24 Thu 15-Nov-12 22:27:13

Bunty I bet you are. I've discovered since being pregnant that lots of people think it gives them the right to give you their expert advice and they think they are really helping. Advice from you brilliant lot I can take and mull over and choose what to take on board and what to ignore. We're all going through same thing and it's bloody hard some days and we all get that. We all make choices to get through pregnancy with some degree of sanity. I drink rarely but do enjoy the odd glass of wine/beer as I enjoy it. I really missed drinking cold beer in Summer and have already told DH I want beer, toast and pâté when baby is born! Guidelines are changing all the time and I bet our mothers drank normally when pregnant and didn't think anything of it and we're all fine. And my sister breast fed her daughter, found it so traumatic as she got mastitis, so bottle fed her son. They are both gorgeous healthy kids. Do what is right for you and your baby and politely tell BIL where to go!

happyhow Thu 15-Nov-12 23:13:07

Bunty tell your BIL where to go!!! I'm like you and have had barely anything to drink all pregnancy but I loved the one glass of wine I had at my bro's wedding at the weekend and it lasted me the entire night!! My mum couldn't believe half the stuff I was telling her about what we are and aren't allowed these days - she had 4 kids who are all reasonably bright and successful and she never worried once about what she ate etc!! I know that they know more about what affects babies etc but like everything, it's up to you to weigh up all the risks and make your own informed decision.

We had "Labour Part 2" tonight. I think I'd like the birthing pool if it's possible. I was wondering about it before but I'm more convinced by it after tonight. Once again, don't know that I learnt much else that was new apart from a few pain relief drugs that I hadn't heard of. Hubby did categorically say he wasn't helping with perineal massage (which I have no interest in doing anyway) but it did confirm my suspicions that he wouldn't be helping with my lady garden!!! grin

My school have finally got a maternity cover sorted for me. smile I told my mum about the fiasco of last week and them asking if she would do it and thankfully she was also horrified that they'd asked and said she would've refused if I'd told her.

Ari my baby also goes through 'mental party like' periods. It happens regularly throughout the day but as far as I'm concerned, it's moving! I've been very aware on the couple of mornings where it's decided to have a long lie! Although I think it was being very considerate and had realised I'd not had much sleep so it was behaving well for a little bit! I hope I'm right and it decides to keep it up once it's out! grin

Sorry for long post but now I need a moan.... FOR FUCK SAKE!!!!! My stomach muscles are SOOOOOOOOO sore from coughing! It's frigging agony! And not even at the front, it's mostly down my sides. I'm taking lots of paracetamol and hot water bottles - even took one into school to use over lunch and free periods! I have however decided that if a midwife offers me paracetamol during labour she will be told where to go cause it's hardly touching these pains... Are there any cough medicines we can take? It's a tickly cough. This pain isn't going to go away until I can stop coughing. I usually pull stomach muscles when I get a bad cold like this but I've NEVER had it as sore as this. I get majorly kicked and punched after every coughing fit though so I'm guessing Baby ain't impressed...

knuckingfackered Thu 15-Nov-12 23:50:13

christ I've just sneezed n squirted all over the bed.
Tell me its wee..........

Lora1982 Fri 16-Nov-12 06:59:55

i wouldnt listen to the papers about drink. about 3 months ago they said it was fine. do what you want i say. ive mainly been off apart from a few weddings and a bbq but even then i avoided my beloved vodka

Lora1982 Fri 16-Nov-12 07:01:58

knucking. my friend at work has made me promise to text him when i sneeze and wee solely so he can make fun. its not happened yet. thank god

djvesi Fri 16-Nov-12 07:34:38

My doc in Lisbon, Portugal, where I had DS, recommended a glass of wine in the evening from time to time to help relax. Likewise, DHs family in Italy all subscribe to the occasional glass during pregnancy. DH has turned out to be ridiculously intelligent and topped his PhD year at Imperial, speaks five languages. Jeez. Give BIL some articles to read from sources that arent trying to stir controversy in order to sell papers! What a douche.

djvesi Fri 16-Nov-12 07:41:01


In excess of 400ml per day!! Sheesh

Brugmansia Fri 16-Nov-12 08:00:26

When we would all have been newly pregnant there was a Danish study that concluded up to 9 units a week appeared to have no noticeable adverse consequences. I think one of its other conclusions was that 1-2 units a week and the children were doing slightly better developmentally at 5. Maybe see if you can find that one bunty and make some similar comment back to him.

Bunty I would be absolutely fuming if I was you - it is absolutely not your BIL's place to tell you what to do. It really makes me angry when people feel that just because you are pregnant your body suddenly becomes public property. It's a horrible and misogynist attitude....grrrr angry.

The advice seems to change every week (I read the same Danish study as Brug when I was first pregnant), I think so long as it is just the odd glass of wine then don't worry.

My baby also seems to have a party every now and then, usually just after I've gone to bed, or eaten something sweet. She barely moves at all in the mornings - maybe like me and DP she just isn't a morning person (wishful thinking?!).

bealos Fri 16-Nov-12 10:47:57

* BuntyCollocks* and SquealyB I saw your very valid comments on the Mumsnet thread about drinking in pregnancy. Made absolute sense.

The media grasps onto whatever study makes for the most controversial news (irritatingly The Guardian, who you'd think would know better, are very bad at this). Statistics are so easy to twist into whatever you want them to say.

This particular study asked women to remember (we're talking women who've just had babies, possibly not quite getting that much sleep) how many units they'd drunk a week and then averaged this between them.

The IQ difference between the non-drinkers and drinkers sprogs was 1.8. Pretty negligible - absolutely could be a margin for error there. It was not a controlled experiment.

salt1 Fri 16-Nov-12 11:04:42

eventful day yesterday, in prenatal yoga someones waters broke and first ante natal class last night which we both really enjoyed, bathed a newborn doll and finding brown sauce in the nappy when undressing it was a suprise!!

i am a little confused about this alcohol study, got myself a bit worried even though i have had the occational drink after 20 weeks, worrying about it is probably more harmful i bet!! x

Birdies Fri 16-Nov-12 11:11:56

I haven't read the study but 1.8 is bugger all difference anyway. Did they look at the IQ of the mums as well to see if there was a correlation between slightly lower IQ of mum and therefore of baby? Anyways, sounds like a load of bollocks. I'm just hoping they don't do a study about chocolate consumption and health of baby - I ate a whole GIANT bag if revells in one go yesterday blush

bealos Fri 16-Nov-12 11:12:45

What is there to worry about? That possibly, maybe you might knock off 1 point off your child's IQ (according to this one study)? I think there's a million environmental, social and hereditary factors that determine IQ.

As a poster said, "does a perfect pregnancy produce a perfect child'?

bealos Fri 16-Nov-12 11:15:28

Obviously, I am of the 'each to her own' school of thought. But pains me to see that people might spend needless time worrying because of this study.

allchik Fri 16-Nov-12 11:36:39

Me and hubby were listening to the news report with interest and I was starting to be all like 'oh great, have I just risked summit etc etc' to which the idiot man stated the 1.8 drop in IQ me and hubby pissed ourselves.....1.8 significant study????? Really?????? What a load of balls!

People always refer back to the same argument of 'some women dont know what sensible drinking is' I think its safe to say the odd glass of wine half a lager etc is really not going to do any problems, I think its rare that a pregnant woman would see a 'bottle a night' as ok FFS.

Anyhoooooo.....I am struggling at work today big time, got a free period now and just cant motivate myself to work, my eyes feel like they're going, sooooo tired, feel really breathless too, really hope I can make it till the Christmas holidays YAWN!!

x x x

Lora1982 Fri 16-Nov-12 11:58:44

had to come home and have a duvet and tv day feel rubbish

Tugstonia Fri 16-Nov-12 12:18:12

Agree that the alcohol study is a load of balls. Next week they'll be saying a glass of wine is beneficial in pregnancy. I would fuming too Bunty, tell them to eff off.

Just had 31 week midwife appt. Actually saw the same lovely mw and student mw I saw last time - the first time I've ever seen the same mw/doctor more than once. BP and wee etc. all fine. Asked about the spotting I had last weekend and they said bleeding of more than a teaspoon and I should get it checked out and I don't think it was that amount. Also asked about the watery discharge and she said discharge changes during pregnancy and if it had been my waters it would have been a constant trickle rather than coming and going. Said it could have been a bit of wee as well blush. BUT she said if I ever have any concerns to just go to the MAU or page them (didn't know I could page them!). Got a growth scan next Friday (my hospital offers routine scan at 32 weeks which is a bonus) and then next appt will be with the GP at 34 weeks. Didn't know GPs were at all involved but at my practice they are apparently. Don't even know who my GP is so booked a random lady GP.

I'm rambling. Have a good Friday everyone and Lora hope you feel better soon.

Thanks, all, for the validation of my view! His wife is currently pregnant with their first and won't touch so much as a paracetamol, so I am clearly the devil. ;) DH doesn't get why I'm so angry. Well, at least other people agree with me!

1.8 is less than the margin of error of repeating the iq test: absolutely refusing to stress about it!

SquealyB Fri 16-Nov-12 12:41:24

Bunty you should call him back and just let him know, that you know , it is totally his choice and you are not having a go but is he aware that being an interfering arsehole can result in long term damage to his relationship with his family including his children.

Grrrrrr hate loathe and detest "well meaning" phone calls like that. My gran scooped a prize when she called to tell me that I simply must get the whopping cough vaccine and had I been watching the news and that her great child should not be exposed to such risks.

It is great to see studies on this kind of thing and I welcome any research that helps me make an informed decision about what is right for me and my baby. It is not great to assume that women are imbeciles and cannot make decisions for themselves re. risks associated with pregnancy from cheese to alcohol.

I probably have a glass or two of wine a week with sparkling water to make them last longer. I thoroughly enjoy them! I have no intention of changing my attitude now and there are so many enviromental and genetic factors which affect IQ so I doubt this will be a decisive factor for any baby in any case.

(*waddles off high horse and wishes it was 6 pm so I could have my weekly white wine sprtizer*).

knucking - I hope it was wee......(never thought I would say that!). Update please.....

Tugs glad the appointment went well and Lora I hope you feel better.

End of essay

SquealyB Fri 16-Nov-12 12:44:18

Totally anedotal but I know my mum drank (in moderation) and smoked while pregnant with me and result was being skipped a year in school and placed in gifted and talented programme. Just imagine what I could have been doing with the extra 1.8 IQ points.......wink

Pascha Fri 16-Nov-12 12:48:42

Ah Bunty I didn't touch a drop with my first (mainly because I was sick all the time), this time I have had the odd glass like everybody else. I've also happily eaten pate, runny eggs, medium-rare steak and all sorts of other goodies. Jsut tell your BIL to sod off if he says anything else.

Had my 33+5 appointment this morning. Met a lovely student in her first term who did all my readings and used me as a guinea pig with the Pinard trumpet as she hasn't used one before. She asked my midwife if it would be ok if she was called when I go into labour as I'm booked for a home birth, even if she's back in college or at night. My son drove a tractor through her legs repeatedly throughout the consultation so he obviously likes her. The midwife showed me her consultation list and its full of gaps which never happens so we had a good chat about her son coming home from uni for the weekend and plans for christmas. I think I've been really lucky to have continous care from one midwife and the same one as last time.

Parting words were don't forget the raspberry leaf tea from 36 weeks. Might get the tablets instead though as the tea tastes disgusting.

Hi all

pascha I had a student mw who came out with 2 community mws when I had dd at home. It was the best aspect of a homebirth. I had all 3 to myself and no one had to go and check on other ladies like in hospital. I did feel very well cared for! When ds2 arrived my mw had gone on a break and had left a lovely mw to cover. When she came back after 1/2 hour I was breast feeding and she had completly missed the birth!

The alcohol thing doesn't bother me as I don't drink anyway but I honestly think if an occasional drink makes you feel relaxed and happy that is surely good for baby?!

Planning to start raspberry leaf tea from 32 weeks as I did with ds2.

Today I've been getting ds1 things ready for weekend away with cubs will be wierd to just have 2 dcs! Ds2 is going to join him tomorrow for the day as he is a beaver so I'll be down to 1 yay! Although I will have to drive there and back about 100 times sad

Complicated24 Fri 16-Nov-12 13:13:00

Just had appt with Consultant (am 32 + 5) and showed her results from private scan we had earlier this week. I am measuring small, so she said she would have recommended another scan anyway. Now booked in for NHS scan next Friday. It could be that baby is constitutionally small or that things are not quite right. At private scan everything else was normal, including blood flow from me to placenta so am really relieved about that. She told me to keep a very close eye on fetal movement. I would definitely not go beyond 39 weeks but may need to deliver baby earlier than that, possibly by C-Section. They really want me to get to 36 weeks if possible. I am now washing baby clothes as feel a desperate need to get organised. I finish work next Wednesday and am so ready to forget about work, rest up and get ready. I really hope I have at least one or two weeks of maternity leave before little one arrives to get my head around being a mother. I'm not quite there yet. Most important thing is baby's health though, so whatever happens, happens. Am supposed to be visiting my mother in N Yorkshire next weekend, but am thinking of not going as want to be close to hospital just in case there is a change in fetal movement. Sorry for long post but am now scared that all is not right.

Hope everyone else and your gorgeous, incredibly intelligent babies are doing well.

Birdies Fri 16-Nov-12 13:27:13

complicated I have a scan this afternoon as my DD has an underlying condition (a bit like a hole in the heart where it's a risk as opposed to a day to day issue) and they want to check all is well with this baby and no signs of anything similar. It's for reassurance really but I'm nervous nonetheless. So I kind of know how you feel in terms of the worrying.

But from my experience, when there's a 'question mark' hanging over your baby's health (whether its the baby's size or something else), more often than not it turns out to be nothing. This is why scans are sometimes not such a good thing as the mother worries unnecessarily. If blood flow is good and baby is moving about each day, I don't think you need to worry. Some people just have a tendency to have small babies but it doesn't mean it's a problem.

Complicated24 Fri 16-Nov-12 13:37:51

Birdies you are lovely. Thank you so much for the reassurance as I am sitting at home crying my eyes out which doesn't help anyone, least of all my baby. I will be keeping everything crossed for you this afternoon. It will be a huge relief when our babies are out safe and sound won't it.

complicated you would think all the worry would lessen wouldn't you? But then you will find lots of other things to worry about. Although I think we will all be much happier holding our babies in our arms at least then we can see their ok!

Pascha Fri 16-Nov-12 14:07:54

I think its really hard to relax and get into the right frame of mind for birth when you're still running around at work. I was so glad last time to finish work and just chill for a few weeks before being flung into baby stuff. This time I'm grateful to MIL who is starting to have DS one day a week to give me a chance to get some proper cleaning done and concentrate on christmas stuff for him a bit.

Complicated i'm so glad your private scan showed everything essentially normal, here's hoping your baby is just a little'un by design.

Pascha Fri 16-Nov-12 14:09:16

Apple that sounds like exactly the kind of birth I want.

MamaMary Fri 16-Nov-12 14:22:07

I wouldn't worry about the new 'study' that tells women not to drink in pregnancy - as someone pointed out it's come only a matter of months after the last study which found it was okay to drink in moderation (and was published after I was pregnant - in June I think it was?).

Throughout this pregnancy I have drunk a glass of wine with dinner when on holiday and at my parents' house - that's all I ever do really as DH doesn't like alcohol. I don't feel guilty in the slightest at this new report.

What amazes me is they keep doing these studies which come up with conflicting results (presumably because they're not controlled studies and there are myriads of variables involved).....WHY isn't the money and time devoted to proper studies about more urgent and important things than whether it's okay to have a few glasses or not ad infinitum.... As has been said, plenty of our mothers and grandmothers drank normally throguhout all their pregnancies.

Grrrr ok rant over!

SquealyB Fri 16-Nov-12 14:25:18

Complicated oh you poor love. Good news is that many of the indicators are fine and you are being very carefully monitored. If you need to deliver early then you will get the best possible care (although that may seem little reassurance right now). You might just be having a lovely petite baby. Thinking of you at the moment and praying its all ok.

SquealyB Fri 16-Nov-12 14:25:47

Good luck with your scan too birdies

salt1 Fri 16-Nov-12 16:11:59

positive thoughts and hugs with all those worried today x

theboutiquemummy Fri 16-Nov-12 17:42:54

salt defo positive thoughts n hugs for all those who are worried x scans can be off aswell they told my sister in law my nephew would be huge n he was a little tiddler they were out by 3 lbs at least x

Birdies Fri 16-Nov-12 18:20:05

Thanks smile

Scan went well but now I'm home I've realised she plotted the head circumference wrongly and if it had been correct it would have been slightly too small on the graph. So no crapping myself about that.

Baby weighs 4lbs but now I've looked on Internet that seems small for 34 weeks, although I've always thought I was a week less than that.

I'm being an idiot probably as the consultant was happy with everything.

knuckingfackered Fri 16-Nov-12 18:23:16

twas wee, thought pelvic floor was better than that.

Did period pants and pad shopping today, went for some tenna pants aswell (weirdly excited bout them as hate pads)

glorious Fri 16-Nov-12 20:54:14

Wow you lot have been chatty, lovely!

complicated I'm sorry to hear you're having a worrying time - Friday must seem like a long way away. Great that the blood flow and everything looked good.

birdies glad to hear that your scan went well though sorry you're worrying about the head circumference. It's so hard not to worry about everything, I don't think you're being an idiot (though sure it's all fine).

I'm wondering about hiring a doula because I've totally lost confidence in the hospital midwives and recently found out just how rubbish their staffing ratios are, so all the spin about 1-1 care at the midwife-led unit is clearly nonsense! Would any of you who've already gone for it (e.g. I think bealos and godzookey and possibly others) mind sharing something about their terms? In particular I'm wondering what happens if you give birth before or after their 4 week on-call period - I'm presuming you still need to pay something as they've booked out that time for you but is it the whole lot? I do also know I've left it a bit late so I'm likely to have a limited choice, though a couple near me are available.

First nct class tomorrow, a bit nervous...

Lora1982 Fri 16-Nov-12 21:47:25

still on the sofa feel pants but im being highly entertained by watching my belly go mental its moving so much it really is like alien

katolla Sat 17-Nov-12 00:10:54

Is pelvic floor exercises just where you try not to wee?

Is anyone else watching one born every minute and crying ? Oh well.

Bunny222 Sat 17-Nov-12 05:18:40

Hi all. Sorry to those having a worrying time at the moment.

Am sulking cos its 5am, been awake since 3 with SPD and backpain. Have got up and now sitting on my ball to try and help. Am meant to have 4 wks left at work but dont see how I can keep this up. Have been given crutches by the physio and havent driven all week. I know my boss expects me in monday (as she mentioned it yesterday) but how is this going to work? Her response so far is that its 'all good practice'??!!

Is anyone else off with spd pain? Sorry for moan. :-(

PixelCarrier Sat 17-Nov-12 07:45:27

Hello all,

Have just been catching up with the last 9 pages, as my computer was being fixed this week. I tried to read the thread on my phone, but it was just too much hard work - I tried to do one post and it appeared all out of sync and was so brief it sounded rude and didn't make sense so I gave up.

bunny I was awake early this morning too. I had PGP/SPD a while ago, and it got better for a bit when I did all the things the advice leaflet told me too, but it's come back again now. The baby tuned the other way up on Tuesday, and is now head down (with constant pressure on my bladder) and feet up (kicking my ribs), and my pelvic girdle has got all sore again since.

i had to leave work early on Wednesday. I've had a cold and it's meant I've generally lost my 'oomph', so had got really tired and then had an emotional melt down at work when it got a bit stressful. When I started throwing up again, I decided it was time to go home. Not sure if it was the cold, the tiredness, getting over emotional or probably just a bit of everything.

pmgkt Sat 17-Nov-12 07:50:30

I had my first baby dream last night. I dreamt that the baby had moved back to a transverse position and felt like he was punching his way out the side.

Off for flu and wc jab at half 8. Joy

Bunny222 Sat 17-Nov-12 07:53:10

pixel thanks for the reply. Its rotten feeling like this, I think if I had a cold too that would about finish me off! Poor you.
Also feel a bit guilty for moaning becos at least baby seems ok, but it rubbish knowing this spd isnt getting better, seems to get worse by the week. Did you start your Mat leave early or have you been signed off?

Tugstonia Sat 17-Nov-12 09:36:53

Sorry for all those having worrying time and painful and sleepless time as well. Bunny could you ask to be signed off from work? The last thing you need is your stupid boss putting pressure on you. What does "it's all good practice" mean FFS?! She sounds such a moron.

Complicated I do hope you're ok, it's very hard not to worry but try to take comfort from the good signs from the private scan. In my experience doctors always tend to prepare for worst case scenario and want to rule things out. As Squealy said they're obviously monitoring you v closely which is great. X

Birdies glad your scan went well, try not to read too much into the results, though hard not to worry about everything I know! If you are querying the head circumference maybe give them a call on Monday to get reassurance?

Katolla pelvic floor exercises is like when you try not to wee. My pregnancy yoga teacher gets us to do the exercises at every class and told us to practice at least 5 minutes every day. Apparently there are 3 sets of muscles, around the clitoris, anus and in the middle. Can't say I can really distinguish between the 3 or that I practice every day but really should do it more.

Has anyone done perineal massage? MW mentioned it yesterday and gave me a leaflet - meant to stretch and prepare the perineal muscles and prevent tearing...

Right, got to clean the flat ready for DP's parents visit later. Have a fab weekend everyone x

PixelCarrier Sat 17-Nov-12 11:44:08

tugs I got a perineal massage leaflet this week from the MW. Trying to ignore it at the moment, but probably should think about it....

Brugmansia Sat 17-Nov-12 11:47:06

I think there's some information included in my maternity notes. I had a brief look when I got them and have since ignored. Maybe it's time to have another look.

octanegirl Sat 17-Nov-12 11:58:10

Hello everyone - wow what a lot of stuff has been happening in just a week? I went away to the Middle East - not realising that if I'd gone into labour and had the baby out there I'd have been arrested and baby confiscated as I'm not married!!!! Luckily he stayed put....

Hearing about bags being packed - I'm almost 33 weeks now so though unlikely, I 'spose it's best to be prepared.
I'm also superstitious so I have bought a three wheeler on ebay but it will live in the barn till baby born - though I might get DP to practice opening it and attaching things to it first.

I will make a mothercare trip this week to get stuff....can't keep procrastiating for ever!

CreepyCrawly Sat 17-Nov-12 12:22:19

Afternoon ladies. Sympathies to all those with worries and lack of sleep!

I'm still in bed, travelled the 5hrs to Portsmouth on Thursday, had my grandad's funeral yesterday and then travelled back last night. So well and truly done in today!

I'm going to get started on my bag next week. I've looked on eBay and there are loads of pre-packed ones, but I think I'd rather do my own.

Hope everyone is having a chilled out Saturday!

Birdies Sat 17-Nov-12 12:33:01

Thanks glorious and tugs.

I've worried myself sick (I now know how easy it is to give advice myself but then all perspective goes put the window when it's me in that position!), but I've calmed down a bit now. Def phoning on Monday morning to check but the funny thing is if I was only 33 weeks not 34 (which is what I've always thought I am as I know exactly when I ovulated), then all measurements are fine. But it's easy to slip back into worry mode. The mars bar has helped though....

complicated, could they have dated you slightly too far on as well? Its amazing how just a few days can take measurements from too small to absolutely fine.

octane would baby really have been taken from you?!

Complicated24 Sat 17-Nov-12 14:49:43

Thank you so much for all your lovely supportive messages. They really helped. Had a good cry when DH came home from work yesterday evening and felt so much better after getting a big hubby hug. We then watched Children in Need and I sobbed during all the sad stories and ended up giving a bigger donation than my non hormonal self might have done! Feeling much better today. Had antenatal class this morning then DH gone to watch rugby at Twickenham and I'm lying on sofa watching a lovely afternoon film.

Birdies you must ring. The worry is horrible and just eats away at you so ring to put your mind at rest. My date could be wrong but I honestly don't know. I wasn't keeping track of my periods as we had given up trying so was a huge and lovely surprise when we found out I was pregnant. It seems as though your date could be wrong which would explain things. Could you ask Consultant/MW at your next appt? Big hug.

bealos Sat 17-Nov-12 14:54:53

glorious a doula should book you in solely for a 4 week period, but if you give birth outside of that time, they should still try they darnedest to attend your birth. I have another doula as backup arranged by my doula (most doulas tag team each other) just in case mine can't make it for any reason.

Rebecca, my doula, came round this week as part of the pre-birth sessions we're doing and it's very helpful so far. We're exploring my somewhat traumatic previous birth, helping my current partner be open about his expectations of birth. Working out the emotional as well as the practical is key for me.

octanegirl Sat 17-Nov-12 15:44:53

Birdies yes - as I'd have been chucked in jail. And they refuse to issue a birth certificate so I would not have been able to leave the country avec baby. However my plan was if I did go into labour to go straight to the Brit Embassy and have baby on their floor!!!

glorious Sat 17-Nov-12 17:03:27

Goodness creepycrawly that sounds like a tough few days. I hope the funeral was a comfort.

bealos thank you for the info, that's really helpful.

octane that would have been a great story for the baby I guess!

godzookey Sat 17-Nov-12 17:04:07

glorious Sorry taken so long to reply, i have been in bed all day today as exhausted and will be heading back shortly as MIL is due to turn up on the door step any second now, which i could really do without!!

Anyhow, I'm really pleased that i've got the doula as my additional support, my reason was that we don't have any family close by to help us and as it's my first baby, always nice to have extra re-assurance.

Bealos is right that they have to be on call for you for a month and mine also has a back up organised, just in case. We've been getting to know each other over the course of the last few weeks as she also runs antenatal yoga on Saturdays so we've been able to build up a rapport through her classes, as we've only had one 1 to 1 session so far.

I'd recommend taking a look at the doula UK website and seeing maybe 3 -4 doulas to get a feel of who you' d feel most comfortable seeing you with all your bits and bobs hanging out - price wise, i think they're all pretty much in the same ball park.

happyhow Sun 18-Nov-12 00:27:35

Hey octane. I'm nearly 33 weeks too and got my hospital bag sorted today as my mum is up visiting and I felt happier having someone with me while I bought everything. Just got to put in clothes for me for coming home, snacks and remember phone charger/camera etc.

Sorry that some of you are worrying at the moment but as others say, doctors tend to look for the worst case scenario. IMO, better that than being given false hope.

I went to a Jack and Jill Sale today (think its a Scottish thing but like NCT sales I think). Very productive though - got a pretty much brand new Moses basket and stand for £30 and a steriliser and 5 bottles for £2! Then went to Asda and Boots to buy all the hospital bag stuff and some baby grows. It's def one way to freak out your slightly child phobic husband...

Also, possibly a tmi question here... I've noticed that my discharge has gone from a dark yellowy cream colour to having a definite green tinge... Normal?? I'm not itchy or sore down there but it had a definite snot look about it. There were a couple of small lumps tonight but it's generally quite thick anyway at the mo. Baby is moving around normally. Could it be small bits of 'show'? I know you can start losing little bits from around now. I might phone midwife on Monday to be sure but any advice would be welcome!!! Xx

glorious Sun 18-Nov-12 10:07:31

godzookey not at all, I think you've been pretty speedy. Hope you're feeling less exhausted today and that you managed to avoid an overdose of the MIL.

I'm glad to hear that you're feeling good about your doula now as I remember you were a bit worried at first. Thanks for the tips, I've got two lined up to speak to and then would plan to meet them if they seem ok on the phone. I'm waiting to hear back from a couple of others as well. I'll definitely ask about backup plans.

happy I don't know about the discharge - I think the 'show' is generally white/cream with a pinkish tinge or streaks of blood. But this being my first I wouldn't recommend you take my word for it, I'm sure someone more knowledgeable will be around later! If it was me I'd call the midwife on Monday. Sounds like you got some great bargains at the sale, so exciting! I put our pram up for the first time last night and couldn't stop fiddling with it all evening...

For anyone who is undecided on NCT classes I thought it would be worth mentioning that the first one of mine was far better than I'd expected. Although I'm hoping and trying to prepare for as straightforward and manageable a birth as possible (who wouldn't!) I was especially pleased that the facilitator wasn't at all anti pain relief/unrealistic on the possibility of interventions (possibly as she'd had quite medicalised births herself). It's fair to say that 'natural' was presented as a positive, though. I guess it really comes down to the facilitator so not sure how helpful that will be to anyone.

theboutiquemummy Sun 18-Nov-12 12:59:23

happyhow get it checked out they should swab you for strep b as it can show up now aswell if it is a simple course of antibiotics will sort it out so it's nothing to worry about x

allchik Sun 18-Nov-12 14:22:27

Hey everyone....
happy I think Im going to speak to my MW about this too, Ive been wearing pantyliners and have noticed Ive had some odd discharge too....(well I say odd but with nothing to compare it to!) Before I got pregnant I was on the depo for 12 years so never had periods and never really had any discharge, now feel wet all the time and always worry that its amniotic fluid but think its just an increase due to hormones???? anyone else???

complicated big bear hugs are the best smile Hope your feeling more relaxed and are having a lovely chilled out day smile

I spent yesterday in (happy) tears. Hubbys in London till tomorrow so two of my mates travelled up from the midlands for the night....they then said they would take me out to dinner, got to the bar and they had booked and arranged a surprise baby shower for me....loads of my mates had come up from Shropshire and they had made personalised baby bunting and baked loads of cupcakes etc.....was really, really lovely......didnt really know how I felt about showers, bit grabby maybe??? But they said they had wanted to arrange it as I didnt really start celebrating this pregnancy till recently cus of the MC in Feb so they wanted to make a fuss....was treated to lots of cute baby toys/books etc and also some vouchers for a massage n lots of smellies....tney had also all wrote me a message in a book and even thinking about it now is making me well up!

Feel all ready to go now, have even just chucked my old gym bag in the wash to repack it as my hospital bag eeeeeek!!!!!!

Happy weekend everyone xxx

alchik that sounds lovely! What a nice thing for your friends to do. I agree showers seem a bit grabby but if it's a surprise...

Re discharge I have this too and I think in all my other pgs too - i seem to remember constantly checking with the others so think normal. Check with mw if worrying you.

happy a show can be quite snotty and a bit bloody. Quite gross actually again check with mw.

Have spent whole weekend driving to and from scout campsite! Ds1 spent the whole weekend there (all grown up) and ds2 went up yesterday for a party. Think everyone enjoyed themselves but after picking ds1 up today ds2 and dd started fighting (he blows raspberrys she screams etc) so had to come home with radio blasting out to drown out their noise! Oh the joys!

Sorry to anyone I've missed ( feeling a bit stressed) hope everyone having a good weekend!

Complicated24 Sun 18-Nov-12 16:19:55

Allchik Wow your friends are amazing. What a lovely surprise.

Had a good day today - a domesticated Sunday which was just what I needed. Just made a lasagne for dinner and made loads so I can freeze rest. Our neighbours popped round and their 4 year old daughter kept on asking me when baby would come out of my tummy. We've babysat for her quite a few times and she thinks ours is her second home and has DH and I wrapped round her little finger! I have washed baby clothes and a gorgeous little cuddly elephant and comforter and 4 year old kept on wanting to play with them and her mother kept on telling her off in case her hands were dirty! She is digging out her old teddies to give to baby. Very sweet. Good job I'm pregnant as now feel very broody!!!

Hope everyone else had equally stress free chilled out weekends.

dieciocho Sun 18-Nov-12 18:00:16

Yes allchik, pretty damp and sticky! I assumed it was normal for this point in pregnancy...

godzookey Sun 18-Nov-12 20:25:23

Glorious - best of luck, let us know how you get on - hope you find one you really like!

When i went to my doula's house for antenatal yoga last week - the class is in her open plan living room/kitchen, i was met by her boyfriend and clouds of smoke billowing out the front door as he'd started to cook some lunch and had forgotton about it - not a great pre cursor to a relaxing yoga session as we had to wait ages for the room to air out! grin but i still think she's the right choice - kinda... no seriously she's great.

Good luck everyone at work this week - i'm going to try my damndest to get out a a meeting in Bournemouth on Wednesday at half 3 -will take AGES to get there and won't get home til late. My MD has offered to drive me there and back but quite frankly, he can go and i'll join by conference call. Work thought i was being overly formal when i presented them with an 'altered hours' drs note on Thursday - they said, oh we could have just talked about it - talk be damned, they can't say sh**t now the GP has OK'd it!!

Have a good week ladies!!


Tugstonia Mon 19-Nov-12 06:00:46

Morning all, hope you all had a good weekend. Am in the wide awake club again. 4.30am this morning so a bit later than usual... also managed to drop a glass on the bathroom floor which smashed into about a billion pieces and woke up DP, whoops! He's gone back to sleep now though.

allchik what wonderful friends you have! Surprise baby shower sounds so lovely smile A friend of mine is apparently organising one for me though I feel a bit weird about it and don't want people to feel that they have to buy presents etc. Should probably stop fretting and just enjoy it.

I too am getting a lot of discharge, to the point that I think I've wet myself... Lovely. Asked the mw on Friday and she said it's all normal and if it had been my waters it would have been a constant trickle. happy she did say that if it changes colour or odour though to get it checked out in case of infection so I would call your mw this morning to check if you're getting greenish stuff.

Anyone else doing natal hypnotherapy? I got the Maggie Howell book and CD from the library after a friend recommended it and am liking it so far.

Have a good Monday everyone! I have the day off and am going shopping for baby things with my mum then having a facial smile

newbie6 Mon 19-Nov-12 06:49:14

Hi all,

Well, I'm in the wide awake club too and seem to have been for past 6 weeks, grrrr! Woke up this morning to what I thought was a dripping tap alas no, it was actually our ceiling so am now praying we can find a roofer to fix the leak, not the best start to the week. Doesn't seem too much damage right now but it's pissing down outside and has been all night ?!

happy I agree in that you should get your MW to check you out, sure you will be fine but probably best to be on the safe side and as others have said if it is an infection it will be sorted quickly with medication?

Hoping to go to a birth preparation workshop soon as there doesn't seem to be any NCT classes available in my area and from feedback I've had on my NHS ones, think I want to make sure I've been to another class. The one I've found online looks really good and it's a half day private course, group class was full and they offer doula services too which I'm quite intrigued about also so fingers crossed. Woman is calling me today to discuss.

Well, hope everyone is okay and has a better start to the week than me!


octanegirl Mon 19-Nov-12 07:40:11

Ive been awake since about 4.30 too. It's totally crap! Then I fall asleep at 9pm!

Pascha Mon 19-Nov-12 09:10:26

I've got the maggie howell cd off ebay, haven't played it yet though. I will be playing it this morning though as I have a CHILD FREE DAY today shock! MIL is having DS from 10 til 4. Yippee. DH said oh you can have a rest and go back to bed if you like once they've gone. No way. I have faaaaarrr too much to do to waste the time on lounging in bed. If I don't use today to do stuff it will never get done.

My local town had the christmas lights ceremony on saturday. Apparently it was total chaos. One girl had an asthma attack and the security wouldn't let her mum take her out of the crowd, another pregnant lady got knocked over in the crush, I'm so glad I opted to drop DH off at the barber and go elsewhere with DS instead.

Morning ladies, hope everyone is well. smile

happy sounds like a wee infection to me, get yourself along to the docs and get some antibiotics.

Is anyone else struggling? I don't know how I'm going to do another 4 weeks at work. I'm so tired, and even with the chiro, I'm so incredibly sore. I don't want to lose my time with the kids at the other end, though. Going to read my maternity policy a bit closer when I get home tonight, as I'm sure they said I would only be signed off early on maternity from 7/12 ...

SquealyB Mon 19-Nov-12 11:14:04

Hi all,

Hope everyone had nice weekends. Allchick that is very sweet of your friends and I bet you had an amazing time. Baby showers are controversial things in the UK, I think the ettiquette is that you should not organise your own but if one is organised for you enjoy completely guilt free grin.

Happy no harm getting it checked out , although I am sure it is fine.

Very excited as DH's artist friend is in our house today and painting a mural in the nursery. We have asked him to do a "woodland" scene with friendly animals etc. so dying to get home from work and check it out.

As for sleeping, I have been able to get to sleep but do not feel rested as have been having the weirdest dreams for the last week. Wake up feeling exhuasted as a result.

Creepy hope your grandad's funderal was as good as can be expected.

Pascha Mon 19-Nov-12 11:25:09

Bunty you could always try being signed off by the GP if the pain and tiredness is making it difficult for you to work. Your employers are not allowed to put you on ML until 36 weeks. You are only 2 weeks away from that now aren't you?

Creepy Hope the funeral was ok. DH's nan's funeral is this thursday, local though so no 5 hour journeys for us.

I feel so sorry for all of you not sleeping very well. I had pregnancy insomnia last time but this time I've been sleeping like the dead.

Sounds lovely Squealy envy. We've decided on dinosaurs for this one (it was elephants and jungle for the last one) so I'm currently scouring the net for some nice baby dino stickers for the wall and maybe a lampshade/curtains.

I'm typing this from my freshly inflated birthing pool grin, (no water in it though) as I really needed to know how long it takes to inflate - about 12 minutes altogether and going by the likely pressure flow rate of water in this house, about 55 minutes to 80% fill it so I think we will keep it mostly inflated once I get to 37 weeks and be ready with all the kit as soon as the slightest twinge occurs.

CreepyCrawly Mon 19-Nov-12 12:38:52

Thanks ladies, it was a lovely service. He'd have been over the moon.

Sounds lovely squealy! A friend of ours is going to do one for us but we're not sure what yet. I keep joking to DH that we're going to have one like Mitch and Cam's in Modern Family.

I'm struggling today. My hip feels like its dislocated and I have excruciating pain between my legs. I can barely move. Is this SPD?? I have an appointment with midwife tomorrow and I'm definitely going to bring it up as its been getting progressively worse over the last few weeks.

Happy Monday!!

theboutiquemummy Mon 19-Nov-12 12:50:05

pasha you just made me laugh I hope you can get in and out of that thing, got stuck in our bath the other day had to wait for hubby to come home from work so he could rescue me x you sound so organised

creepycrawley ooh you poor thing that sounds like SPD don't have it myself but still having more then a few problems with hips after walking the dog for a bit big hugs and defo mention it to midwife x Good Luck x

Showed DH perineal massage blush that's something he definitely won't be doing grin he shut up moaning about sleepless nights !!

Sounds gorgeous, squealy, as does yours, pascha! I may look into that if things don't get drastically better soon, as I am 36 weeks next Friday. <would do a happy dance if I could move>

Laughing at the image of you sitting in an unfilled birthing pool! Sorry to hear about your DH's gran (I think you might have mentioned up thread, but in case I missed it, as I am missing a lot, just wanted to say.).

Glad things went ok for you, creepy, and that it was a lovely service. It does sound, as boutique said, like SPD. I am in the same position; it is horrid. sad

Baby had a hell of a wriggle a couple of hours ago, my whole stomach was shaking and contorting. Freaked me right out.

Allchik your friends sound lovely!

Finally ... I have finished the hospital bag--s--! <polishes halo>

dieciocho Mon 19-Nov-12 13:33:37

I've mentioned perineal massage to DP just in a this-is-what-I-have-to-do; poor-me way.
But how should I do it? I plan to start in the next couple of weeks, but can't quite work out...how to massage such a small part of my body, which is not easily accessible right now. Any tips?

djvesi Mon 19-Nov-12 13:40:16

Just had another doc appointment and scan! Very exciting to see LO on screen, measuring 31+4 and ~1800g, head down, they think it's all going well! I can't even imagine not having a preemie given how it went with DS, so entering a truly amazing stage of pregnancy now sans liver pains and seeing stars, BP normal!

Also finally made time to get back in the pool for some laps today, such a release with the weightlessness. Am going to try and make it as much as possible before LO arrives, seriously invigorating.

dieciocho I'm not bothering with the massage. I've read a lot of Gloria Lemay etc, to try and get in the right headspace for a natural birth, and they and their ilk quite rightly point out that of all mammals, we are the only ones who feel the need to do this massage, and none of them tear. Apparently, it's all about not listening to 'the devil on your shoulder' that tells you "Just one big push and it'll all be over!"

God knows if I'll be able to resist, but the perineal tissues are designed to stretch.

Thought I'd offer another view ;)

Link to the article

djvesi glad all went well smile I think I might try and get to the pool, sounds lovely!

That is a good article bunty I also won't be bothering with perineal massage, and didn't last time. I did tear a bit though, because I went 'oh bugger it, just get him out' so I will try not to do that this time grin. My positioning was also terrible and I think that played a part. If I do tear I will be declining stitches this time, unless it is severe enough to warrant transfer to hospital (if at home) and repair in theater.

bealos Mon 19-Nov-12 19:07:46

Amazing the chat on here is now onto excessive discharge and perineal massage. No topic is off limits! I can't wait to start hearing all the birth stories....

How sweet Allchik - that is so lovely!

Ramping up the hippy notch a little further, I've asked my mates to organise a Blessingway (like a baby shower, but not as 'grabby' as you say!)

Hey all

bealos that's the thing with pregnancy, your body goes nuts so it's pretty helpful to chat to a bunch of strangers going through the same thing. In RL it's almost impossible to say most of this stuff! It's reassuring that we're all suffering similar things otherwise you might feel even more vulnerable!

Have to have a little boast, my ds2 is joseph in the nativity! <preens>

bealos Mon 19-Nov-12 22:17:26

Excellent work. Mine is 'Narrator 4'!

bealos Mon 19-Nov-12 22:18:36

p.s. you know I wasn't being sarcy! I do enjoy all of this 'full disclosure' and really can't wait to hear all the birth stories. I love 'em.

happyhow Mon 19-Nov-12 22:53:57

Totally agree appleand bealos!! There are so many things I wouldn't be able to say to my friends!!

Following on from my successful baby shopping day on Sat, my mum and I got the flat almost completely packed up yesterday so all we have left to do is pack the stuff that we need to use for the next 10-14 days...

Currently trying to finish off my Advanced Higher lesson for period 1 tomorrow... CBA!! Stayed in school til 7pm and still not finished... And Baby keeps trying to kick the laptop off my lap.wink

Pascha Tue 20-Nov-12 02:25:21

Organised? Me? shock


And yes, after my last post I am aware of the irony off being awake at 2.26am hmm

Birdies Tue 20-Nov-12 09:19:23

Hi everyone

I've been a bit quiet on here as have spent the last few days getting myself totally wound up about the frigging measurements from my growth scan. Now going in to see the consultant tomorrow morning so she can talk through them for us (at our request thankfully not hers, or I would be panicking even more). I know that if I'm even just a week behind the EDD they gave me then everything is normal (and I know when I ovulated so I must be right), but ive still worried myself sick. I think it's because with DD we had a hell for a first few months as they told us all sorts of awful things about her health so I've assumed we're due some good luck this time and that nothing like that would happen again. So the mere thought of it is enough to even stop me eating properly (I know, even chocolate doesn't appeal at the mo sad ).

Anyways, enough about me. Hope everyone else is ok and not stressing about anything.

Why don't I start off the lovely discharge topic again?! Well I've had more of a green one ever since getting pregnant. It's not minging or anything, just a different colour. And it's how I knew I was pregnant before even testing. I still got it checked out though just in case, but it's a normal pregnancy thing apparently (unless you get itching). Not sure who was asking but the best thing is to get it checked anyway.

Oh, birdies, I'm so sorry you're fretting. sad I'm 100% sure everything will be perfect.

I think we're all stressing about something at the moment. I lost my dinner last night talking to God on the great white telephone, and have been rather <ahem> loose this morning. Coupled with stomach pains, I'm convincing myself I'm going into labour. Fairly sure I'm not, but I'm clearly determined to worry about something.

I'm almost the opposite - despite the awful birth with DS, he is so healthy and perfect, I worry our luck will run out. Currently also shitting myself about the VBAC, even though I'm desperate for it, in case something goes wrong and we lose her, or she has a birth injury.

Think I'm a headcase.

katolla Tue 20-Nov-12 11:15:53

Had the first antenatal class night (at the GP surgery but with the midwife from the hospital), to turn the baby she recommended tying herbs to your toe and setting fire to them. wtf.

Birdies Tue 20-Nov-12 11:17:33

Thanks bunty. The daft thing is the extra scan was meant to reassure me but all it's done is the opposite. I've just reworked my dates out though and it's impossible for me to be that far on as it means I'd have ovulated at least 4 days before I actually did. I know due date doesn't normally matter that much but when you are plotted against it to check for something abnormal then it can make a huge difference.

I don't think you're a headcase, unless we both are (which is entirely possible!). I think if you were going into labour then by now you'd be getting contractions and all sorts (not just stomach ache). But you know that smile Labour can't come quickly enough for me now though as then I would know for sure if baby is ok.

I think my hormones are actually part of all this as well as last night I cried my eyes out about my gorgeous little dog who died......20 years ago confused

pascha the Maggie Howell cd is the one I've got, I think it's quite good.

Tugstonia Tue 20-Nov-12 11:30:39

Birdies sorry you've been stressing out. Sounds like the measurements are against the wrong dates though so sure you and baby will be absolutely fine, though totally understand the worry, especially considering what you went through with DD. What time is your consultant appt tomorrow?

I've also been massively hormonal lately. I cried in Boots yesterday because I didn't have the right voucher to get my free changing bag! Nice woman gave it to me anyway smile

Bunty you're not a headcase. I find things to worry about too. There's lots of vomiting/diarrhoea bugs going around at the mo so more than likely that. Hope you're feeling better.

Katolla that sounds like moxibustion to me. I'm an acupuncturist and have done moxibustion on a patient whose baby turned so it does work, daft as it might sound!

Attempted perineal massage last night but actually found it a bit of a faff and hard to reach so might not bother, especially after reading that article bunty.

bealos Tue 20-Nov-12 11:55:43

tugs bunty do you know much about perineal massage if you've already had an episiotomy? I'm all for doing the panting thing, but worried that scar tissue does not stretch as easily.

hello everyone,

Creepy did you see the midwife today? How is your hip/pelvis pain?

I tried to walk into town yesterday after work and it took me AGES. It is usually a 20 minute walk but I was about half an hour late to meet people because I'd walked so slowly blush. Nothing was agonisingly painful I just felt so heavy and achey. I've got a feeling it's going to be a long couple of months...

Bunty I've not been vomiting but I've been feeling nauseous for the last few days and I had stomach cramps followed by the squits this morning. I wonder if it is to do with increased hormones in the third trimester (or did I make that up?), or possibly I have caught yet another bug which is going around, my immunity seems to be about zero at the moment. I also have had a sore throat for about a month which seems to come and go.

Birdies I'm so sorry you are stressing. I am sure everything is fine, the measurements aren't very accurate and babies all grow at different rates so I'm sure that is why the consultant wasn't worried. Next time you will probably be told she is measuring big grin.

I keep driving myself into a frenzy about baby movements. I think because I have an anterior placenta, I will sometimes go for hours without feeling anything. Then I start to panic, but always just as I am starting to seriously consider phoning the midwife, the baby suddenly goes mad and kicks every few minutes for an hour or so. Then she stops again. It is driving me crazy! The only time she consistently kicks is when I have just gone to bed at night.

bealos Tue 20-Nov-12 12:28:15

Snap with the crampy, retchy thing. I thought it was a bug, but I feel like it's passed too quickly for that. I was up all night on Friday with nausea and constant gassy burping. Horrid.

theboutiquemummy Tue 20-Nov-12 12:46:49

Wowsers hormones are kicking in big style sad threw the Christmas nuts at DH and ranted about everyone telling me what to do blush cue crying pregnant woman sitting on the bedroom floor eating said nuts and Xmas chocs

So defo in the losing it hormonal club ooh not forgetting the trotts n trumping n discharge the joys grinblush

theboutiquemummy Tue 20-Nov-12 12:50:04

Anyone else think their baby might be early ?

CreepyCrawly Tue 20-Nov-12 12:50:05

Sorry that your worrying Birdies. I'm sure everything is fine and they've just got the wrong dates. Good luck with your appointment.

My midwife has referred me to a physio to get fitted for a 'fembrace' which look extremely sexy and nothing at all like a giant nappy! If it helps though..! Also have a doctors appointment Thursday to try getting some stronger painkillers as paracetamol are useless. Been prescribed 2 giant bottles of gaviscon too so that's going to save me a fortune. But appointment was all good, nice varying heartbeat which is apparently good and she's still head down. She's a little high up but I think that's normal too?

Hope everyone is well!

CreepyCrawly Tue 20-Nov-12 12:52:52

That made me laugh sorry boutique! I had a nightmare time in tesco last week because it was heaving so I treated myself to a box of Roses and ate the lot. Minus the hazelnut ones.

Creepy someone bought us a box of celebrations the other day, as soon as they left I banned DP from eating any of them except the disgusting bounty ones.

CreepyCrawly Tue 20-Nov-12 13:08:35

Ugh bounty ones are for my DH too. The Malteaser ones are all mine!

Thanks everyone. Cramping has finally settled down, so definitely not labour, hoorah! give me 2 weeks on friday and I won't be saying that

It wasn't for going, though, and DH made me phone the hospital - lovely midwife said it sounded like a stomach bug, so, very glad to be a squitting, vomiting wreck wink

bealos afraid I know nothing about perineal massage after an episiotomy. I've got to say that even if I was for it, I'd be wary about putting unnatural pressure on a weakened point where the scar tissue is. Stretching around a baby is a gradual process (allegedly!), whereas I think the perineal massage is a bit ... invasive? May do more harm than good?

Aw, boutique, I'm sorry, but I had to giggle at that! It sounds like the kind of thing I'd do! Had a massive go at DH on Sunday because I was hotter than the surface of the sun, swanning about in my knicks and a vest, and he was saying "It's a lovely temperature!" as he sat in his jeans and t-shirt.

I threatened divorce and forcible removal of his genitals if he didn't turn down the fucking heating and put on a jumper.

I think mine will be early. Currently rooting for the 14th.

Hello everybody - I fell off the thread a few months back during a very stressful period of MIL living with us. Now, my MIL is lovely, but having her living in our home with no "moving out" date got a little... tense! Anyway, all back to normal now.

Reading some of your posts I can't help thinking I've not made the most of this pregnancy. I have bitten my tongue on many occasions when DH has annoyed me and now wish I'd thrown Christmas Nuts at him. I've got to be honest I'm finding it quite hard that he really, really doesn't see that me being pregnant should actually affect him in any way. I still run around after him like an idiot and I'm bloody shattered!

Oh well, rant over. Only 3 weeks and 2 days of work left! Yippee!

dieciocho Tue 20-Nov-12 13:44:25

I know I'll be early Boutique as I'll be forced to have an induction at 38 weeks - so mid-January.
I'm a wee bit annoyed about it now it's my body, my pregnancy, bugger off the lot of you, but I suspect that come early January I'll be only too pleased to have this little monster out in the open so that we can start getting on with the rest of our lives together!

pmgkt Tue 20-Nov-12 14:28:33

I've got 22nd Dec in my head which is 6 days early don't know why and it will no doubt come and go without any event.

bealos Tue 20-Nov-12 14:40:13

Whereas I am potentially in denial and telling everyone (including myself) that it won't come til early January. Think because people still don't think I look pregnant!

bealos Tue 20-Nov-12 14:40:36

I MEAN early February [where this delete button, then?]

Pascha Tue 20-Nov-12 15:03:27

I'm rather hoping for 16th December. I think it's very unlikely but you never know.

Birdies Tue 20-Nov-12 15:27:09

Thanks for being so nice everyone. Tugs my apmt is at 1030am tomorrow. Bizarrely i stopped worrying so much today but as it gets towards the ending and darker I start worrying again. At least I will know more tomorrow. DH has to work so I'm either going on my own or going to take my dad (he's a gp so can interpret any medical jargon for me!).

I think my babba will arrive towards the end of the first week in January, making me legitimately in this January thread again!!

Re perineal massage, I had a couple of goes last time then decided I had enough to think about without having to remember to do that too. I had a tiny tear and only needed 2 stitches. Although DD was little so that may have had something to do with it. I don't think I'll bother this time either, bunty's article makes a lot of sense to me.

theboutiquemummy Tue 20-Nov-12 15:27:57

creepy n bugsy choc is good for the soul x grin

Tugstonia Tue 20-Nov-12 15:47:14

Mrsbugs I'm the same re movements. Can go for hours with nothing and then just as I'm starting to panic the little bun has a boogie grin. Still not massively consistent though I must say.

I've always thought this baby will come early, even before my little stay in hospital a few weeks ago. It'll probably be late now!

I'm hoping this baby comes a little early 38 weeks does me fine as after 4 pregnancies I feel like I've been pg for a lifetime! However since the others were all late I don't hold out a lot of hope sad. Think it's my hormones but one of the mums at school had her baby on Friday and when her dh told us all I could think was 'bitch' shock that's not very nice is it!?

Baby sometimes seems not to have moved for ages but as soon as I sit down with a yoghurt I can gen get it going again!

Sorry to those having a hard time this last bit always seems to be a bit of a marathon x

Definitely take your dad, birdies if you can. I always find myself so overwhelmed, and grateful when I hear everything is fine wink that I don't really listen, so having an extra pair of ears in there will probably be helpful.

Pregnancy app reliably informs me today that baby will be full term in 17 days, and it's 38 days until my due date - which means it's only 33 days until Christmas shock

Currently undecided as to whether I want her to be early (would be lovely, although wedding with a very newborn might be a no go), on time (would look much nicer at said wedding than with a deflated, fat belly - but worrying about going into labour 200 miles away), or late (would get Christmas etc past - but then worry about induction!).

Maybe I'll revise my wish date to 7/12 - although 37 weeks seems VERY early (and very soon!!!).

Correction: 35 days until Christmas. Don't panic yet.

happyhow Tue 20-Nov-12 16:25:11

I think mine will be late. My mum had 4 of us and we were all late! That's ok for me though because I really don't want a baby over Xmas and New Year. My bro is Dec 23rd and he hates that his bday always gets lost in the Xmas hype. I'm due the 7th Jan so anytime after that is fine by me!!!

I'm SO frigging tired today. Was preparing my lesson til midnight last night so slept in this morning sad. Got a parents' evening tonight so won't be home til around 8pm and then may still have work to do for tomorrow. It's just so busy just now!

4 more weeks and 2 days til mat leave. Like the rest of you, not sure how I'm going to manage that one....

bunty you make me laugh! Been Xmas shopping today and am nearly done thank god and ds2 b'day pretty much sorted. Still haven't started on hospital bag though. Keep thinking I will then putting it off again...

Happy my mum had all of her babies induced for being late, but this was before proper dating scans and we were all small babies, so she thinks that they always dated her incorrectly due to her irregular periods. I would probably have put my foot down after the first one, but I think in those days women were far less likely to stand up to medical professionals.

I'll be happy if the baby comes any time after I start maternity leave, and before I have to be induced.

On the one hand if I am late it will be a February baby, which sounds nicer than January (like the very beginning of spring rather than deepest darkest winter). But I think by the time I get to my due date I will just want her out asap grin

Good luck tomorrow Birdies

dieciocho Tue 20-Nov-12 17:51:23

I agree, Bugsy, with February sounding nicer than January, maybe that's why I'm annoyed at having to be induced.
My EDD is 31-01-13, so if I were allowed to have a natural labour, it'd definitely be a February hopefully-not-so-dark-and-chilly-and-miserable baby.

Oh well, I assume the drs know what they're up to re: 38-week induction.

pmgkt Tue 20-Nov-12 18:15:49

Did the snack shop for my hospital bag today just need to pack toothbrush pants and clean t shirt for dh is case we are there too long. Also going to pack and deliver ds1's bag to nanny so I don't need to worry about that.

godzookey Tue 20-Nov-12 20:47:39

Evening Ladies,

Birdies best of luck tomorrow, hope all goes well.

I have to be up at 6am to be in Bournemouth for a 10am meeting - am not impressed in the slightest!!! The potential client has a one hour slot so if we're late/get lost, we're screwed, am NOT happy in the slightest about this- -GRRRRR!

As the brand is baby related, i know the big guns are thinking wheel out the pregnant girl -hopefully if the client has an ounce of sensitivity she'll think WTF is this 8 month pregnant woman doing here - little unreasonable to drag her out of bed to come down to Bournemouth for 10 am!!!!

glorious Tue 20-Nov-12 21:39:00

Oh dear Godzookey, your trip to Bournemouth tomorrow sounds horrible. I went to Sheffield for the day a couple of weeks ago for work (from London) and it was so uncomfortable on the train and in a stuffy meeting room all day that I think I'm going to say no to the next trip I have in the diary. Your experience with the smoking lunch and yoga did make me smile, though!

Tugstonia I've also got the natal hypotherapy cds and I've found them quite good (mostly listening to the pregnancy one at the moment rather than the birth one but have also done that once). It seems to calm me down quite well anyway though who knows whether I'll be able to keep that going in labour!

Squealy your mural sounds lovely, how has it turned out?

Pascha sorry if you've mentioned this before, but where did you get your birth pool from and would you recommend them?

Complicated24 Wed 21-Nov-12 08:46:51

Loads of luck today Birdies. So pleased you are seeing Consultant as worry eats away at you. Do let us know how you get on. We've got a private scan this morning and just keeping everything crossed that baby has grown. I do feel bigger, but know that doesn't mean anything.

Godzookey feel for you today. Make sure you do your best pregnancy waddle, constantly rub your tummy, go to loo every 5 mins and come out in hot sweats so your boss feels really guilty! Hope it goes well.

Pascha Wed 21-Nov-12 09:04:18

Glorious its from Birth Pool In A Box but mine is second hand from the local NCT sale. I need to get a new liner and filling kit for it as these have to be new though. As far as I know they are reputable and good quality. I've never found a bad review yet. Its comfy inside with a seat and inflated bottom.

theboutiquemummy Wed 21-Nov-12 09:41:10

Birdies good luck for today thinking about you x

theboutiquemummy Wed 21-Nov-12 09:42:41

Godzookey that just sounds shite all that way for an hour sad grim defo to putting on the waddle n going for a wee many times the meeting should fly by x

Birdies Wed 21-Nov-12 12:30:04

Thanks everyone. I had another scan and head is now on the 5th centile instead if the 3rd (or 11th going by my dates which would be fine). Consultant thinks she underestimated size of head at the last scan and says she doesn't think I need to worry but they are scanning me again in 2 weeks. So two weeks of waiting. I feel a bit numb really, not sure how I'm going to get through those 2 weeks.

Might see if any other mumsnetters had growth scan showing baby has a small head. The trouble is my baby had a big head at 20 week scan which makes me worry more as why would it now be so small. Big sigh sad

complicated hope your scan went ok today. I've thought about going for a private one but having just been scanned again today I can't see them coming up with anything different sad

allchik Wed 21-Nov-12 13:02:27

Oh Birdies so sorry that ue going through this, even though Im sure all will be fine it must be crap feeling so stressed and worried on top of ll the normal ailments sad

Why not ring up a private clinic and ask their thoughts about what they could offer via a scan, if its something you can afford that may give you piece of mind it could be worth it? xxxx

allchik Wed 21-Nov-12 13:05:29

There's loads of bugs going round school at the moment, a sickness bug and a horrid head/cough thing.....think I may be catching the latter as am running a temp and feel quite dizzy/headachey plus neck is all swelled up gggrrrrr.
Keep panicking about my attendance but might have to have tomorrow at home if still feel like this then.
Can't believe there is still 4 weeks and 2 days left of this half term sad Really dont know if Im going to be able to hack it!!!

Aw, birdies, I'm sorry you're still worrying. I'm sure your dates are correct.

I think it might be worth going for a private scan if you can afford it; I find they definitely take a lot more time, and can be more accurate than NHS where the resources are so strapped.

Also, maybe the 20 week scan wasn't particularly great with the measurements? It only takes a tiny little slip, and it's all to pot. I'm sure everything is fine, honestly. <unmn'ty hugs>

djvesi Wed 21-Nov-12 13:15:17

Hey Birdies, did they do a doppler to check the baby's circulation? At this stage, the main thing that would warrant any intervention is if the baby isn't receiving enough nutrient through the placenta. You can do a doppler to make sure the circulation is reaching the different parts. I reckon a private clinic trip, as allchik suggested, would be well worth it you know.

I had a haematoma weeks 14-18 with bleeding this pregnancy, and the private doc I was recommended was the only one to give decent feedback and advice, the day after the public clinic scan. Much more informative.

That said, you know yourself that all babies grow at different rates and the best possible thing is for your LO to stay put. If they showed that all seems fine, best you can do is relax and wait.

bealos Wed 21-Nov-12 13:29:30

Birdies Sorry to hear that you're feeling rubbish. Sounds like a case of too many scans causing extra worry. Much as we love technology, we know that tech is not always right.

Have confidence in yourself, your dates and your body.

As people have said, babies grow at different rates and come out different sizes.

Lora1982 Wed 21-Nov-12 13:53:59

birdies i wouldnt worry at all. im the total opposite mine was measuring off the scale last weeks scan so realllllly masssive. i just remember all the stories ive read where people are told its small and its normal or told its mahoosiv and its normal. babies are people too and apart from twins how many of us are exactly the same... sooo how can they say this is what you baby should be measuring today.

Birdies Wed 21-Nov-12 14:17:11

Thanks everyone, you're all lovely and any positive things you say really help me.

She did do a Doppler thing on the cord (djvesi is that the same thing?) and that was fine, and also the amount of fluid was fine. Tummy and leg measurements were fine and anatomy all fine too. But I went and googled microcephaly and that's where the worry all began (where head doesn't grow properly leading to all sorts of nasty things). So as head is proportionately small to the other measurements, that's what worries me. Having said that, the cut off for this is around 3 precentile or below and even then some will be normal and just with smaller heads. But some would treat 10% or below as abnormal and then I start worrying again. I could see she'd measured the head a bit low last time though, so it was probably more like 5% then even without adjusting for the date I think I'm actually due.

I wish she hadn't looked back at my 20 week scan measurements today as head was quite a high centile then sad. But she still didn't seem worried and said a couple of times she thinks I shouldn't worry (but I don't know if i can believe her as why scan me in two weeks if not worried). But then the sensible me kicks in and I think consultants are more likely to warn you that something might be wrong to cover themselves than say what she said to me if they really did think something might be wrong.

Sorry my posts will prob be rambling and repetitive and all about me now!

Complicated24 Wed 21-Nov-12 15:13:06

Birdies so pleased everything was OK and Consultant wasn't concerned, though do know you are still worrying. We had a private scan at Fetal Medicine Centre in London which I would definitely recommend if you live near London. It cost £150 which I know is a lot of money, but they give you a good 30 mins or so and check absolutely everything, so I didn't mind paying this in order to get some peace of mind. I had chance to ask lots of questions too.

Baby is still measuring small (below 5th percentile) but the growth since last week's scan was plotted out on graph and baby's weight remains on the same line so no worse and no better. Everything else is completely normal and blood flow between me and placenta is fine, so the private doctor said he wasn't worried. He suggested NHS Consultant keep a very close eye on me and do another scan in a couple of weeks, but if baby continues on same line on the graph and nothing else changes it will just mean having a small baby which is fine. Am seeing Consultant on Friday so will see what he says. After appt, I went out and bought a couple of tiny baby sleepsuits from John Lewis.

I finished work yesterday as I am using up all my annual leave before starting maternity leave. Must say it is a relief as though I do enjoy my job and love the office banter, the commute on tube was getting harder by the day and I'm not sleeping well either, so now I can completely focus on getting everything ready for baby, doing Christmas shopping and Christmas cards (not started either yet), sleeping and getting my head in the right place to be a mother. I have always worked so will be strange not having the same structure to my life.

allchik Wed 21-Nov-12 17:10:42

ooooooo complicated how lovely to be on maternity leave!!! Enjoy!! I can't wait to start mine......feels like FOREVER away though.. xx

Lora1982 Wed 21-Nov-12 19:00:03

exactly 30 days til i finish. Im doing some pictures of cakes and cupcakes for a girl whos started up a business so innstead of paying me shes making loads of different cakes for mmy last day.

in a boasty way: ive finished drawing the mural in the nursery.. just got to paint it...

no bag packed though but i think im ready with everything now. 6 weeks to go...

Birdies Wed 21-Nov-12 19:13:03

complicated I'm really glad your scan went ok. Are all your measurements small? I think from what I've read it's better if they're all small. I have just one small measurement (the head is much smaller than it was centile-wise back at the 20 week scan). I keep trying to think positively but when i do it lasts about 5 mins. I feel bad as my little DD saw me crying earlier and I really don't want her to notice anything like that.

I've heard lots of good things about the place you went for your private scan but unfortunately I'm up north so it's not an option for me. I think I'm going to sit tight and wait for the next nhs one as I'm scared a private scan may only either confirm the size or measure it smaller, and then I'd end up in an even worse position.

I'm a barrel of laughs aren't I?!

woody2313 Wed 21-Nov-12 19:22:50

allchik I'm in the same situation as you - 4 weeks and 2 days to go until maternity leave - let's stick together and we will make it! smile
I'm determined not to finish before December 21st!!

Complicated24 Wed 21-Nov-12 19:29:18

Birdies it is just the abdominal circumference which is small (269.1 mm). Head circumference is 301.3 mm which shows as average on notes. So I think baby has just got a really little tummy but everything else is normal size. Dopplers were fine. Estimated fetal weight is now 3 lbs 15 oz (1779 g). I am now 33 + 2. Dr said it was strange as we were both normal size, but not to worry as everything else was fine. And I agree these scans do your head in as you become obsessed with the tiniest detail. If the Consultant were worried you would be whisked in for C-Section straight away, so baby is clearly very happy where it is and I agree with someone else's wise words that you should trust your body, maternal instincts and ovulation dates. Did your father go with you? What did he say? Really feel for you as the worry eats away at you. I hardly slept a wink last night as was so worried.

OK, guilty secret. I am really into "Little Things" by One Direction at the moment and have just downloaded it on iTunes. Embarrassing as my 13 year old niece is One Direction's biggest fan. Hormones or just very, very sad?!!!

Complicated24 Wed 21-Nov-12 19:34:09

allchik, Lora and woody hang in there. I wouldn't have started mine so early had I not had so much leave to use up and can only carry over a few days. I don't actually start OML until 30 December (due date is 31st). Hope work gives you some slack and you can work shorter hours as weeks progress.

allchik Wed 21-Nov-12 20:49:37

Right woody Im im! 21st Dec...WE CAN DO THIS! x

Birdies Wed 21-Nov-12 21:07:04

complicated I'll swap the small head for the small tummy! I think if only tummy is small then that's fine, I can't think of anything that would be bad about that. My dad didn't come with me as we decided it might look a bit over the top (as it was I acted like a bit if a loon anyway so he may not have been very proud! She wrote 'anxious ++' in my notes!). Am feeling much better this evening though as my dad looked at the graphs and can't see what I'm worrying about now so I'm going to try and stay positive now. (And nothing wrong with a bit of One Direction!)

MamaMary Wed 21-Nov-12 22:00:59

Birdies and Complicated sorry to hear about your growth worries. I do feel that technology can be a blessing and a curse at times. In all likelihood everything is totally normal - babies grow at different rates - but the scan picks up the tiniest thing and causes us to worry.

At my midwife appt last week I was told my BP was 'borderline' because diastolic was 80 - so they'll be keeping a close eye on me. No objections to this. I have an appt with a consultant and a scan next Wednesday.

Yes, happy, woody and allchik I also have 4 weeks to go (till end of term) and I really don't know how I'm going to manage. Every day is a struggle. Not because of my pregnancy really, but I've been really run down with two chest infections, ear infection, and sore glands (glands still sore). I feel like my body is saying 'stop' or 'slow down and rest' but I can't... sad

Birdies Wed 21-Nov-12 22:28:13

complicated I was looking at the graphs and 269 for tummy at 32 weeks is well within normal. Are you sure that's the number? If so baby is well within normal limits, eg see www.baby2see.com/medical/charts.html

Ps thanks mama smile

Complicated24 Wed 21-Nov-12 22:49:08

birdies just checked out chart and does seem ok. Est fetal weight is low for 33 weeks though (below 10th percentile) as is 1779 g. I am going to try not to worry as long as everything else remains ok. The private dr we saw today said the main worry was that baby was being starved as not getting what it needs from placenta. That isn't case at moment but hopefully NHS will do regular scans to check all remains ok. Good news is that as we are both considered high risk pregnancies because of what's happened before ( I've lost 2 babies) we get extra care. Good for baby, but hard for us as our previous experience means we will naturally worry. Our babies will be here soon and I'm sure will be totally gorgeous and healthy. We both have to believe that whilst continuing to monitor everything and ask lots of questions. Big hug.

happyhow Wed 21-Nov-12 23:32:17

I've just downloaded 3 One Direction songs after you mentioning them... Clearly my guilty pleasure.

Went to see Blood Brothers at the theatre tonight. I've seen it 5 times now I think and I never tire of it. A very enjoyable evening!

Work started on our house yesterday!!!! Only 2 weeks late but never mind. Got to have it all finished by Dec 8th when the carpets go in but think we may need to move in with the in laws for a week sad

On another musical note... Would it be completely mental to order tickets for a Gary Barlow gig 4 days after my due date?! I'm totally going to do it but just need to hope the excitement of seeing the fabulous Mr Barlow in all his sexiness doesn't bring on labour!!!!!!

Birdies, try not to worry too much and stop going near Dr Google!!!! Your consultant isn't too concerned and as someone else said, you'd have been whipped into hospital and sliced and diced by now if they felt there was a major issue. Getting worked up is not good for you or the baby - just try to put it to the back of your mind...

newbie6 Thu 22-Nov-12 03:53:44


Sorry to hear about your worries birdies, like others have said though sounds like you are in safe hands and if doctors were worried they would do something? I agree that you hear so much about the baby size and in most cases everything is absolutely fine. Trust your dadsmile

I have an agony throat, can hardly swallow sad does anyone know if I can take anything?


woody2313 Thu 22-Nov-12 06:50:50

Right, so it's allchik, MamaMary, Happy and I in this together... and if we count school get-ups, there's now only 21 to go smile 21? That's nothing! wink
(Not at all panicking about the fact that they STILL haven't found my replacement yet...hmm)

djvesi Thu 22-Nov-12 07:25:59

Hey ladies, DS was born 34+4 1819g, some altered circulation, bad muscle tone, large brain ventricles, 6 months of physio and neuro checkups. He is now 2.5yrs, absolutely normal physiology, precocious even. stop worrying, trust the docs.

Oh god, dj! I thought we'd had our next baby there haha!

happyhow Thu 22-Nov-12 08:16:32

So did I Bunty!

We finish on the 20th at our school so 4 weeks today!! I'm glad I'm not the only one struggling... Woody, they only found my replacement last week so there's still hope... She's not starting til the 17th though which is pretty useless for doing a handover of all the certificate classes (we write off the last week of term due to rehearsals for the carol concert - it's a VERY big thing in our school). I think we're going to have to keep each other going....

Feeling for you, happy, and all the other teachers. I have 3 weeks from tomorrow left, although half day tomo and the 7th, so only truly 14 working days left. It can't come quick enough!

I've also managed to get my hours at work cut down, just a tad ( half hour later to come in, half hour earlier to leave), and feeling better for it. I'm a bit naughty as well in that I'm scheduling my chiro and midwife appts for as early in the day as I can get away with where I won't have to go back. I'm bloody knackered though! I may also have invented an appt next week ...

djvesi Thu 22-Nov-12 09:18:08

Ops! Sorry Bunty and Happy!!! Was typing one handed on smart phone whilst having brekky with DS. Doh. Will try not to shock like that again!

Hopefully will be at least 5 weeks before I get even close to updates like that, am just on 32 weeks now with DD. But have been doing the backward counting thing, celebrating little landmarks like, wooo! She would survive if she was born now! This week was "wooo! she is the same size that DS was when he was born". Taking it very much from the grateful to get as far along with pregnancy as possible without emergency intervention.

djvesi Thu 22-Nov-12 09:24:45

Oh hey, I've got a bizarre pregnancy dream for you too....dreamt that I gave birth to a beagle dog......sooooo weird....

allchik Thu 22-Nov-12 10:11:35

So my baggy maternity t.shirt blew up over my face in a gust of wind today outside school right in front of a supply teacher (were talking RIGHT UP showing udder bra and everything......

fast forward to lesson 1...

"Miss....your tops on inside out" Great start to the day! Should I just go home now lol!

I FOUND MY LIST!!! Think it needs updated, though.

BuntyCollocks (29) DC2 EDD 28/12/12 (NE Wales) She's a girl!
Pmgkt (33) DC2 EDD 28/12/12 He's a boy!
Birdies (33) DC2 EDD 30/12/12 She's a girl!
Pascha (35) DC2 EDD 30/12/12 (Kent)*It's a surprise!*
PricklyPickle (31) DC1 EDD 31/12/12 (SE London - Eltham)
sanam2012 (?) DC2 EDD 1/1/2013 She's a girl!
LowLu (31) DC2 EDD 02/1/2013
TootieMaroo (32) DC2 03/1/2013
MarasmeAbsolu (31) DC2 EDD 03/01/13 (Scotland - Central Belt) She's a girl!
Lora1982 (30) DC1 EDD 04/01/13 He's a boy!
IsSpringSprangedYet (?) DC4 EDD 5/01/2013
DollFisher (28) DC1 EDD 5/01/13 She's a girl!
Allchik (30) DC1 EDD 06/01/13 It's a surprise!
Pockemuchka DC3 EDD 06/01/13 It's a surprise!
AriNi31 (?) DC2 EDD 06/01/13
Happyhow (26) DC1 EDD 07/01/13 (Scotland - Aberdeen) It's a surprise!
EmilieFloge (38) DC? EDD 07/01/13
Complicated24 (44) DC1 EDD 07/01/2013 It's a surprise!
Newbie6 (36) DC1 EDD 08/01/13 (Scotland - Ayrshire) He's a boy!
Norfolkinway (25) DC1 EDD 09/01/13
Octanegirl (34) DC1 EDD 09/01/13 He's a boy!
BumgrapesofWrath (30) DC2 EDD 10/01/13
DoIgetastickerforthat (age) DC4 EDD 11/01/13
Kim222 (30) DC1 EDD 11/01/13
Lulabel27 (29) DC2&3 (twins) EDD 11/01/13
CraftyGirly (26) DC1 EDD 11/01/13 She's a girl!
Cejay8 (32) DC2 EDD 12/01/13 It's a surprise!
Tinyeyes123 (30) DC1 EDD 13/01/13 She's a girl!
CreepyCrawly (21) DC1 EDD 13/01/13 (West Wales) She's a girl!
PixelCarrier (?) DC? EDD 13/01/2013 It's a surprise!
Shakemyhead (37) DC1 EDD 14/1/13 (West Yorkshire - Wakefield) She's a girl!
Godzookey (35) DC1 EDD 14/01/13 He's a boy!
PeshwariNaan (33) DC1 EDD 14/01/13
Hormonalhell (40) DC2 EDD 15/01/13 He's a boy!
Theboutiquemummy (35) DC1 EDD 17/01/13 (Norfolk)
ChutesTooNarrow (33) DC2 EDD 18/01/13 She's a girl!
Glorious (28) DC1 EDD 18/01/13 (SE London - Hither Green)
Tugstonia (33) DC1 EDD 18/01/13 (SE London - Crystal Palace) It's a surprise!
SpringFlowers (39) DC4 EDD 18/01/13 It's a surprise!
Eagleray (40) DC1 EDD 18/01/13
13mma (29) DC1 18/01/13
LetThereBeCupcakes (30) DC1 EDD 20/01/13
Silversixpence (29) DC2 EDD 20/01/13
mulan07 (27) DC1 EDD 20/01/13 He's a boy!
BadgerFace (34) DC1 EDD 21/01/13 She's a girl!
bealos (34) DC2 EDD 22/01/13 She's a girl!
AppleCrumples (?) DC4 EDD 22/01/13
PreggoFabulous (30) DC1 EDD 22/01/2012 (South West) He's a boy!
Bunny222 (31) DC1 EDD 22/01/13 It's a surprise!
Woody2313 (33) DC1 EDD 23/01/2013 (West Midlands - Shropshire)
SigningGirl (age) DC1 EDD 24/01/13
SquealyB (29) DC1 EDD 26/01/13 (SW London - Richmond) It's a surprise!
knuckingfackered (39) DC2 26/1/13
Mrsbugsywugsy (34) DC1 EDD 25/01/2013 (Sussex) She's a girl!
Thinkingpositivethoughts (28) DC1 EDD 26/01/13
MrsMallard (35) DC1 EDD 26/01/13 (Hertfordshire) She's a girl!
Salt1 (38) DC1 EDD 27/01/13 She's a girl!
Lilblondepessimist (33) DC4 EDD 28/01/13
MamaMary (31) DC2 EDD 28/01/13 She's a girl!
Sebsmama (32) DC2 EDD 29/01/13
BionicEmu (26) DC2 EDD 29/01/13
Missymoo (32) DC2 EDD 30/01/13
DiscoDomina (31) DC1 EDD 30/1/13 (West Midlands)
Brugmansia (35) DC1 EDD 31/01/13 (SE London - Kennington/Elephant and Castle)
Mummypud (32) DC3 EDD 31/01/13
PipIsOutNow (?) DC2 31/01/13
Deiciocho (32) DC1 EDD 31/01/13 It's a surprise!

Hello smile

I'm really sorry that you are having such a worrying time Birdies - how are you feeling today? I worked with a child who had microcephaly a few years ago and she was really lovely. It does sound like you are being taken really good care of and that it will all be ok, if there were serious concerns I think other things would have been done. Measurements on scans are often really inaccurate - there are loads of threads about ladies who have been told they are having mammoth babies only to find they have average sized 7lb'ers. If your 20 week measurements were even a tiny bit out it would make a difference to the current situation.

Those who are struggling before maternity leave have my sympathy. When I was pregnant with dd3 I worked up to 37 weeks and found it very tough for the last four. This time I have had a lot of work related issues and I became unwell with stress so I've been signed off since I was 27 weeks. I am amazed at how difficult I am finding things even without working - I have spd and am just exhausted half the time. I am in admiration of everyone who has been able to keep going!

Complicated24 Thu 22-Nov-12 11:43:03

Thanks for list BuntyCollocks. As I am now on maternity leave, I am happy to update list if everyone can post updates on what needs changing. My due date is now 31/12 so will change that once I've got a few more updates otherwise this thread will be full up before we know it.

djvesi you scared me too! Good to hear that your tiny baby is now a strapping 2.5 year old though.

Complicated24 Thu 22-Nov-12 11:50:48

Allchik hilarious. My boobs are now a massive 36HH and bras in that size are not pretty so I would have given everyone a huge shock. My embarrassing story is that I let out a noisy fart when a shop assistant in John Lewis Oxford Street was showing me prams. I couldn't get out of that shop quick enough!

Complicated My details are fine on the list so no updating needed for me. I still feel like I have ages to go but seeing that some people are due in December makes me feel a bit peculiar! Farting in public is hilarious afterwards when you are retelling the story but not at the time - the poor shop assistant couldn't have know what to do!

Lora1982 Thu 22-Nov-12 12:34:50

soooo im measuring 39 wks at just 34 and will be having YET another scan so itl be my sixth. midwifes not worried (i am what size will i be at 39wks?!?) she did say that if my waters go im to go in straight away cos if the baby isnt engaged the cord could fall down and get squished. on a happy note i get to go in work late today and next week.. hopefully with my clothes the right way round....Allchick!

djvesi Thu 22-Nov-12 13:11:46

I've fallen off the list again,

djvesi (37) DC2 EDD 18/01/13 (Aussie in Helsinki) She's a girl!

Berniebennett Thu 22-Nov-12 13:20:40

I've fallen off the list im 28 due on the 10/01/13 having a boy! thank you x

Birdies Thu 22-Nov-12 13:22:10

I'm back to panic mode again as I compared my 20 week percentiles to my 34 week ones and everything has massively dropped. Head from 79% to 11% centile (using my own due date, it's worse if I use theirs), and the others down to 19% and 37% (from big measurements at 20 weeks). I just can't see how this could possibly be ok even though she checked blood flow through the cord and said there was lots of fluid. I've booked in for a private scan next Tuesday now and a consultant from another hospital will be doing it, but I'm terrified something is wrong. I don't know if I can trust my own consultant - she seemed so calm but then maybe that's how they all are.

Sorry everyone, i'm like a rabbit caught in the headlights not knowing where to turn next sad I can't seem to find anyone who's had similar results either.

Birdies My love try to take a deep breath. The stress that you are experiencing is not good for your baby either. The baby was small at the 20 week scan and the measurements could easily have been taken incorrectly. Was Tuesday the earliest that you could get a private scan - it's quite a few days away? Can you try to focus on staying calm and relaxing - you might need to force yourself to at the beginning. You must be feeling so stressed this won't help you at all. You are pregnant, you are having a baby and even if the baby is small it will, in all likelihood be ok anyway. I really feel for you and I hope that you are able to take it easy this afternoon xxx

Birdies How many weeks are you now?

Birdies Thu 22-Nov-12 13:43:41

Hi spring - baby was quite big at 20 week scan and is now small - a massive drop in growth rate. I know you are right though, but I just can't relax about it. I could go for a babybond scan but I don't think they're experienced enough to give me any thoughts on why there could be such a drop.

Ok, what causes a slow down in growth - do you know? I'm asking as I have no idea. It may just be that you end up having your baby early and that it is small. That would be alright. You are probably right to wait for the scan given what you have said. I completely understand why you are so upset, I would be too. I hope that Tuesday comes around very quickly...

Birdies Thu 22-Nov-12 13:56:15

Thanks spring I don't really know, sometimes it's how the placenta is functioning but she said mine was fine. I have just found someone who had similar drops with all her babies and all were fine, so I'm holding on to that for now!

birdies, pet, I'm sorry you're in such a muddle. As I've said, I'm sure everything will be ok; maybe baby just took an early spurt, and is now where it should be. With DS my date changed every time I went for a scan, as he never measured spot on according to one specific date - also different sonographers make a difference.

Look at it this way - all the measurements taken now are relatively in proportion 11th, 19th and 37th percentile sound like a nicely formed baby. If you had one tiny measurement, and the rest were all bigger, then there would be more of a worry. The measurements are never all on the same scale anyway, i.e. not all 50th. I think mine this time at 20 weeks were something like the 50th (tummy), 60th (head), and maybe the 75th (femur)? Something like that anyway.

As for babybond, they really are excellent. They are all hospital sonographers, who are specialised in doing these scans. If you want to be seen sooner, I would absolutely make an appt with them. They're very thorough, and if there is a problem, I would absolutely trust them to pick up on it.

Birdies Thu 22-Nov-12 14:46:39

Thanks bunty, that has made me feel better. If its just the measurements that I have now that matter then I wouldn't be so worried, but I don't know how important comparing to the 20 week ones is. But then as you say, baby could have had a growth spurt around that time and then settled down. In fact I remember my consultant saying something about growth spurts happening at different times. My DH is threatening to hide my iPad so I stop googling, I think that might be a good idea!

salt1 Thu 22-Nov-12 14:48:24

oh birdies, i just want to give you a big hug and make you a cup of tea (i am the stereotypical british person who thinks tea solves all!) it is pointless for me to say don't worry cause of course you will, but if you can give yourself a bit of time off from the worrying, even if just 15 mins do, and eat whatever you can. sending you love and positive thoughts xxxx

How are you doing Birdies? I've been thinking of you all afternoon x

Complicated24 Thu 22-Nov-12 16:54:38

Birdies your poor thing I typed a long message then phone rang and lost it. From my chats with Consultant and dr who did private scan, it seems as though as long as baby's measurements are on the percentile chart then that's OK. It doesn't matter if in middle, top or bottom, just need to be on the chart. My baby's weight was below 5th percentile so that's why they were worried. However, dopplers were all fine and blood flow between me and placenta is all fine too, so private dr seemed happy and I will ask Consultant tomorrow. I am really pleased you are having a private scan as you can then ask loads of questions. They are able to give you more of their time. Let them know how anxious you are and that you need answers to all your questions and hopefully they will provide them. Some people prefer to know everything (I'm in that camp - knowledge is power) others prefer not to be given too much information. You must do what's right for you and your baby so you can have as stress free a pregnancy as possible. Wish I could make you a cup of tea and give you a big slice of chocolate cake right now. We're all thinking of you.

Birdies Thu 22-Nov-12 16:55:00

Ah thanks spring, I'm ok. Gone to my mum and dad's with DD to try and take my mind off it. I just wish I didn't know the 20 week measures, then I'd prob be perfectly happy with baby's size!

It's a bit quiet on here, i hope my misery hasn't stopped people posting about nice day to day things?! Im ok honestly, just need to be patient and hope all is well. Can't bloomin decide about babybond scan versus scan with consultant (who I googled and found scared someone to death about a downs risk!).

Birdies Thu 22-Nov-12 16:58:14

Ps thanks salt too,I'd have loved a nice cup of tea!

complicated it's the drop in measurements that really bothers me. I just can't get my head round how that could ever be normal. But consultant didn't focus on them much (and thanks for offer of tea and chocolate cake, wish you didn't live so far away!!).

Everyone carry on with normal chat too, don't let me take over thread, honest I'll be fine x

newbie6 Thu 22-Nov-12 17:13:31

You will be fine birdies, just know you will be. Xx

Pascha Thu 22-Nov-12 18:05:52

Hi everyone. Just back from DH's nan's funeral, was ok but i am knackered now. All those rellies asking me the boy or girl question. The worst one was uncle Steven who was quite insistent he was going to get someone's necklace and do some crystally woo divining crap over my tummy to decide what sex Widget is hmm. Luckily I am a strong person and between me, DH and MIL we managed to get him to feck off back to the bar. Aunty Wendy wanted me to put a note in the coffin with the sex and name of the baby on it. We got out of that one by saying we didn't know the sex (lie) and we haven't chosen a name (almost lie).

Pascha Thu 22-Nov-12 18:07:59

And I agree with everyone else Birdies.

<drinks tea accompanied by 3 rocky bars>

happyhow Thu 22-Nov-12 21:00:06

I've just eaten THE biggest plate of pasta ever. Is this the bottomless pit stage?!

Went with MIL to buy the pram tonight! It was the last big thing I needed to sort so I'm pleased it's all done now. Got the Bugaboo Camelon 3 in black and petrol blue. Love love love it!!!

Lots of wallpaper has been stripped at the house now and we discovered that the doors had had a facing out on them and underneath is a lovely panelled door so hubby's going to prepare one fully to see how they come up but it'll save a bit of money for now if they look good.

Birdies have some giant buttons with your cup of tea. They always make me feel better. Xx

glorious Thu 22-Nov-12 21:47:12

Thanks Pascha I'll have a look at those.

Happy, Woody, Allchik and MamaMary I've also got 4 weeks left - right before Christmas seems a nice time to finish but I can't wait!

Ooh Happy I love the petrol blue, good choice. We didn't get a Cam in the end but I'd have definitely gone for those colours if we had.

Birdies I'm really sorry you're so worried, I hope you get some reassuring news soon.

allchik Thu 22-Nov-12 22:04:55

Waaaa!So tonight I had my first braxton hicks (I think?) got a tight pain down the right side of bump a few times,like a tight feeling smile
Also lounge is now sorted,stove in,floors sanded n varnished,so nice to have a room finished!
Primark have also got these £2.50 spotty zip shopper bags in at t mo,they're huge n quite nice so Ive bought one for a hospital bag...and loads of size 20 pants!!Bloody hell! X x x

Bunny222 Thu 22-Nov-12 23:20:46

birdies thinking of you and hope youre ok.

Have had rather an eventful week. Yesterday saw the midwife and sugar was present in the urine for the second time, so she sent me off to do the Glucose diabetes testing today. Results are tomorrow.
Then came home and... (sorry for TMI) having popped to the loo there appeared to be something worrying enough to call the midwife. When I described, she thought is was part of the cervical plug (eck!!) and if I get any pains or bleeding or more funny stuff to call hosp straight away. Had a mild panic and packed my hospital bag double quick.

Havent had any more symptoms since lunchtime - am praying that's it as haven't had any cramps etc, and can feel him wiggling lots. It's toooo early for bump to come -am still only 31 weeks! :-(
Has anyone experienced this?

woody2313 Fri 23-Nov-12 06:17:07

Well, Happy, Allchiik, MamaMary and Glorious - it's Friday! Woohoo! This also means only 20 more school get-ups - easy smile X

woody2313 Fri 23-Nov-12 06:19:58

Pascha, can't believe your experience at the funeral - fair play to you for taking all that interference so well... Aunty Wendy shock

woody2313 Fri 23-Nov-12 06:21:35

Bunny and Birdies hope you're both ok x