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April 2013....from Flumper to Bump! (Part 4)

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toobreathless Mon 22-Oct-12 22:13:07

Over here!

Another place for us April 2013 Ladies!

We have old thread & stats threads as below:



As the days darken & winter approaches may this thread bring us all blossoming bumps, peaceful nights & more friendship and laughter.

toobreathless Mon 22-Oct-12 22:15:46

Damn it!! Tried so hard it get it right & typo in the title! That should be 'from FLUMP to Bump' stupid iphOne autocorrect.

HavingALittleFaithBaby Mon 22-Oct-12 22:22:27

I like 'flumper' smile marking my spot!

FlaminNoraImPregnantPanda Mon 22-Oct-12 22:57:20

2 more sleeps till judgment day. Yikes! shock

usernamegoeshere Mon 22-Oct-12 23:03:32

yey new thread!

welcome to the new people, can't believe how full we are now!

Quad test tomorrow! While there I am going to go harrass midwives, after I chased them last week I really thought they would do what they promised & phone me today to arrange appointment but they didn't.


Missmuffet28 Mon 22-Oct-12 23:15:57

Flump is a word I try not to say it makes me embarrassed its what my bits were referred to when i was a little one grin
I love this busy thread always something to catch up with!

Hope everyone is ok will catch up in the morning for now I have a head ache and neeeed sleep sad


EssexWelsh Tue 23-Oct-12 07:18:46

Well done ladies starting new thread and LOVE flumper, couldn't describe it better in 1 word how I have been feeling! Plus my autocorrect choices on my iPhone were 'frumpier', 'plumper' and 'glum her' again what exact explanations of how I look grin

chocoloco12 Tue 23-Oct-12 07:28:24

Off to EPAU sad

wishfulthinking1 Tue 23-Oct-12 07:39:05

Are you ok choco? Thinking of you x

Mama1980 Tue 23-Oct-12 07:48:04

Oh no chocoloco thinking of you xxx

kellestar Tue 23-Oct-12 07:58:19

Oh choco, hoping all goes well.

Giddypants Tue 23-Oct-12 08:13:43

choco hope all is ok?

just marking my place
choco hope all is ok

tattooedapril87 Tue 23-Oct-12 08:28:05

i don't know how to add to the stats can someone do it for me?

twins-april 16-queens hospital!

im still here- just lurking in background thinking over double buggies, double birth, double nappies, double everything!!

Ollibobs Tue 23-Oct-12 08:34:34

Keeping everything crossed for you choco

chocoloco12 Tue 23-Oct-12 09:55:59

Thank you everyone, just come out, feel much happier now, baby is fine and growing well, but they can see where I'm bleeding, it is inside where the baby is (not very technical!) but they are not sure if its coming from placenta or not, although it is a good thing aparently that its not behind the placenta, they will scan me every 2 weeks to check size of bleed and that baby is ok xxx and there's me thinking oh lovely 9months with no periods!!

Hope everyone is ok, how you doing mama? Also congratulations on your two little monkeys tattooed


JessieEssex Tue 23-Oct-12 09:57:50

Just marking my place. Good to hear your news choco - sounds like they will be keeping a good eye on you.

Anyone still feeling sick?


Mama1980 Tue 23-Oct-12 10:04:57

Hi chocoloco - phew thank goodness baby is ok.smile I've been thinking if you since I saw your message. I am also bleeding from inside my uterus unfortunately in my case the blood is coming from the placenta where it attaches to the uterus causing the placenta to break/not form properly.
Glad they are going keeping such a close eye on you, it's very scary.
How are you feeling? I hope you are being looked after and fussed over grin
I'm ok thanks have a dr coming to talk to me about how they'll rebuilt my hips again once the baby is born today- it s a laugh a minute here wink
Take care of yourself xxx
17+4 I think!

chocoloco12 Tue 23-Oct-12 10:25:35

Thank you mama, I have been thinking of you too, I hope baby can hang on as long as possible for you and glad you are being looked after, you're in the best place! Hips rebuilt? I have not read all your previous posts yet do not sure of your history! Yes it is very scary but I feel so much better for seeing the baby kicking about [happy] and will be counting down the days until next scan! They were going to sign me off for 2 weeks but I said no (can't afford it really!) but everyone at work knows I will be taking it easy, dp is also brilliant, don't generally have to lift a finger at home!
Except on days DD1 is not at nursery- she's relentless!! I bet you are missing your DCs, hope you're finding things to keep you occupied, at least some of the time, I really feel for you sad


chocoloco12 Tue 23-Oct-12 10:26:45

Rubbish! Meant smile not happy!!

FlaminNoraImPregnantPanda Tue 23-Oct-12 10:28:52

Jessie not feeling sick anymore but still exhausted.

birdbrain17 Tue 23-Oct-12 10:38:09

Well I was feeling a bit ill all of yesterday and when I got home think I threw up everything I had eaten since the weekend (sorry if tmi) and then I was up in the night again throwing up more so I've taken the day off work today and lying in bed sipping some flat coke, and willing it to stay down, propped up on cushions as my back kills. It's really weird the first 12 weeks I didn't throw up once and since then I've been sick about 4 times I don't know if it's because I'm pg or I keep catching bugs either way I'm feeling really miserable so just had to have a little sympathy post to myself on here...

welcome to all the newbies smile

FlaminNoraImPregnantPanda Tue 23-Oct-12 12:09:36

Crikey, exhausted doesn't cover it. I just put a load of washing on and hung another up to dry. I could barely lift my arms to put it over the line. Now I feel like I've run a marathon. Second trimester energy please come my way.

somewherebecomingrain Tue 23-Oct-12 12:14:15

hi all

choco glad its going well

mama hope you've got some books and box sets to entertain you and take your mind of things? you are so brave, i can't believe my eyes reading what you are going through.

birdbrain i had an attack of vomiting last week (15 weeks) after a couple of weeks of it apparently ebbing. it's wierd. so sorry to hear it - it's no fun AT ALL.


trying2bpos Tue 23-Oct-12 12:21:59

Yay new thread how exciting not sure if I have a flump or a bump yet.

Welcome to newbies, we're nearly at a 100 now!

Sorry you're feeling rotten bird sounds like a bug and probably because your immune system gets suppressed when you're pg!

My cold just seems to keep getting worse and everytime I lie down phlegm makes me cough and wakes me up, sorry if tmi. Anyone got any good tips?

Had 16 w appt and mw tried to listen to hb, I've got another wriggler though and it seems as soon as they get close the baby is off. DS was exactly the same. She said she could see the baby moving though, weird, i must try and look for that. Did make me feel like all the rippling movements I've felt are not just in my head though grin. I think the hb sounded a bit like a train though so maybe it's a boy LOL, can't remember who posted that gem but I love it!

BonaDea Tue 23-Oct-12 12:28:36

Hi everyone and thanks for the shiny new thread OP grin

Was at high risk clinic this morning - everything fine, got to listen into heartbeat. Just 2.5 weeks to go until 20 week scan and cardiac scan then I can breath a sigh of relief and perhaps even start buying some baby gear.

Hope everyone else is well. My bump is definitely not a flump any more, although if I breath in I could probably still pass for not pregnant!

BonaDea Tue 23-Oct-12 12:42:48

Actually - that reminds me, who is finding out the sex or not and why have you made that choice?

I can't decide what to do. Am so tempted to find out but at the same time don't want to ruin the lovely surprise!

usernamegoeshere Tue 23-Oct-12 12:52:24

I went for my quad test today & they did my booking in bloods at same time, apparently I will hear this week if there is a problem.

Was a bit worried as Quad gives 1 in 27 chance of a screen positive result (1 in 150 or less chance of chromosomal abnormality) while nuchal/blood seems to have a much lower rate of positives, but it was explained to me that combined just has a lot more ways to check than quad.

My booking in & 16 week appointment is next Monday at 3pm. What actually happens at those appointments?

BonaDea Tue 23-Oct-12 12:54:45

Booking in they just take a full medical history (and I mean FULL) to find out about any risk factors health wise, talk about your family circumstances and what support you have at home etc. It is just them getting the basics in your file.

I didn't have a 16 week appointment as such as I'm seen every two weeks, but would imagine they will take blood pressure, listen to baby's heartbeat (yay!) and weigh you to check all is on track.

usernamegoeshere Tue 23-Oct-12 12:55:45

Bona I am finding out sex, OH really wants it to be a boy and he has been so miserable about the whole baby thing that I think I should just find out and get it over with.

usernamegoeshere Tue 23-Oct-12 12:56:17

thanks Bona that doesn't sound too scary then!

FlaminNoraImPregnantPanda Tue 23-Oct-12 13:09:20

I'm hoping to find out too. I'm not patient enough to wait.

HavingALittleFaithBaby Tue 23-Oct-12 13:24:55

Hi all! Well we went back to have the repeat scan today - this baby is such a monkey! Today it was still in an awkward position curled over! After lots and lots of pushing around she got my measurements and NT done. Turns out I'm a bit further along then I thought! So I'm 14+0 today and due date is now 23rd April. NT was 1.6 so while obviously waiting for the blood test results I'm quite happy with that.


FlaminNoraImPregnantPanda Tue 23-Oct-12 14:51:21

My husband is being mean. He's pushing me to eat more fruit. I eat lots of veg but don't really like fruit, can just about manage the occasional banana. But I've been making an effort for the baby's sake. Husband however is having none of it and insists that a Terry's chocolate orange is NOT fruit. Bah, he's knows nothing.

trying2bpos Tue 23-Oct-12 15:17:04

Hey everyone, when I saw the MW yesterday at the 16w appt I got her to look at my Downs blood results and I now think I know what the combined test looks at:
results are combined with your age to give the risk factor!
I would never have got to see these results if I hadn't asked her about it and info about what they actually test for wasn't in any of my information.

So nothing to do with testing in different areas ages or anything like I thought previously.

I think they measure AFP, oestriol, inhibin A and total HCG with the quad test which is usually done if they can't get the NT or miss the window.

I have no clue what the ranges of these things are in real terms though as seems all the calculations are done using MoM (multiples of the median).

Anyway thought I would share that apologies to all of you who already knew this.

bona hoping for a surprise as that's what we did last time.

JessieEssex Tue 23-Oct-12 16:15:18

I think we might find out but not decided yet. DD was a surprise, which I loved, but not sure if we can resist this time!

Feeling really shaky as have got a massive dent and scratch in the car due to some crap driving in a tricky situation. Scraped against a parked land rover (which thankfully hasn't got a scratch on it) while trying to turn around on a very narrow road with cars parked all along one side. I told my DH that the car 'looks like its been punched by a giant'. He's sooooo lovely though, and just said not to worry and that it's just a car and the insurance will sort it and not to stress myself out. Although he hasnt actually seen it yet...

Giddypants Tue 23-Oct-12 17:01:10

choco so glad to hear everything ok

Just got back from consultant, she has put me on aspirin due to previous placental abrupt ion and the notches on my arteries. Which I'm pleased about, she tried to suggest having a VBAC but I wasn't keen, need everything to be controlled etc so having a CS at 39 weeks all being well, also having frequent growth scans at 23,28,32 and 36 weeks

SneezySnatcher Tue 23-Oct-12 17:08:25

Wow! Two pages on the new thread already! Checking in to say hello.


EmpressMatilda Tue 23-Oct-12 17:09:03

Hello new thread!

Nothing much to report here. Bad nights, tiredness, occasional tummy twinges. Same as everyone else!

Clothes are troubling me. Skirts and trousers uncomfortable round the waist but bump not big enough to hold up maternity trousers!

Totally forgot to try and work out gender from baby's heartbeat. I think I was just so pleased it was beating at a healthy rate and I could hear it! Ah well, hopefully we'll find out at scan.

I recommend antenatal yoga classes by the way. I think they're really going to help.


JaquelineHyde Tue 23-Oct-12 17:20:29

user I am having my quad test at my 16 week appointment but other than that I think it is just the usual, blood pressure, listen for heartbeat and check your wee sample.

giddy I am going to be having regular growth scans as well as about the same stages as you as in my first pg my waters went at around 30 weeks (mum thinks it was 28 weeks and I think it was 32 weeks so we have settled at 30) yet I didn't go into labour until 34 weeks so they want to keep scanning to see what the bloody hell is going on grin

Still trying not to worry about the cyst on the placenta or the unusualy enlarged bowel that was picked up at 12 weeks as I have been told until 20 weeks there isn't much else that can be done or said, it's just a waiting game to see what develops.

Abort 67 were picketing my uni entrance yetserday which really upset me as they force you to view the most disturbing pictures you can imagine. I was just apalled that anyone can think that it is fare to force the viewing of such graphic images on people sad angry Apparently they are coming back soon so I have asked the SU to keep me informed if they hear when etc.


HavingALittleFaithBaby Tue 23-Oct-12 17:41:27

choco glad things are ok. What a scary Time for you! I hope you can relax a bit now!

Empress I've found certain larger clothes still fit - my weight has always fluctuated! - and certain under bump maternity stuff is ok. Work trousers (standard uniform) are a problem, I'm going to have to ask my boss for maternity stuff soon!

giddy it's good that you've got those choices sorted now - what happens if you go into labour before 39 weeks?! (Devil's advocate!)

We are going to find out what we're having. Some people have been really funny with us about it, saying we're spoiling the surprise but surely that's our choice?! hmm
It feels really odd today - I went in for a repeat 12 week scan and came out at 14 weeks! We're starting to think more seriously about what we really need baby wise.

choco sooo pleased that they are taking good care of you.

Jessieessex had nausea still the last week or so, but less today after a few yoga stretches this morn. Exercise seems to help. But I'm exhausted too. It's a head balance.

havealittlefaith I got moved again too, so also 14 weeks today, due 23rd and 1.6mm measurement. Snap!

We will find out the sex. I was all for a surprise before BFP, but now its real we will need all the time we can get to agree on a name! DH is more traditional and I like something a bit different...watch the feathers fly! grin

Teapig Tue 23-Oct-12 18:36:26

Yay, new thread. Welcome to the newbies, only a couple more needed for us to hit 100.

Great news choco I'm so pleased baby is doing well.

Mama I think you mentioned about sleeping on your left side. I read that's the best side to sleep on while pg and am giving it a go though I am definitely a right-sider at heart. I'm not sure how much difference it makes.

As for gender we're going to find out as I'm too impatient to wait and DH is keen to find out too.

kellestar Tue 23-Oct-12 18:43:43

choco glad to hear you and baby are okay. Good to hear they have an action plan in place to monitor the bleeding.

jessieessex it's a hard argument as I feel so much better, nausea wise, after a walk with DD. During the walk I feel pretty ill and have heaved a few times in a hedge. [now take a bottle of water and some sawdust]. Once I'm back from my walk the nausea has eased, but I'm then feeling like I need a nap and as DD doesn't nap I just collapse on the sofa and snuggle up for a bit. Defeats the object, almost. smile

havealittlefaith Glad to hear the scan went well and you've got an actual due date.

We are not going to find out. We didn't with DD and it was a lovely surprise, it was a good job she was a girl as we had a selection of lovely girls name and it was easy to agree our choice. Boys names were hard to think of. They are this time, we had a chat just last night about names and we are just stumped when it comes to boys names and yet we have already got a big list of lovely girls names to go with DD.

I listened to the heartbeat on my doppler [a friend had borrowed it] and DH found it quite easily, though s/he kept wiggling and we could hear the kicks against the doppler [sound like little pops] and I heard galloping [just like DD].

Going by this...

smile I love these old wives tales. I loved hearing all the relatives having their opinion on how the bump was carrying, if I slept on the left or right, how I looked. DD should have been a Boy according to the results last time... so they aren't entirely right. But it's still fun.

Dandelion75 Tue 23-Oct-12 18:44:17

You're not alone birdbrain and somewhere. MS had pretty much gone away for a couple of weeks, by since Friday 'the quease' (as its known in our house) is well and truly back and just feel like I want to puke 24/7. confused

Someone. ANYONE. Tell me you have got the second trimester energy burst, and its not just an urban myth! Surely one of us must have got it by now. Anyone? smile

Rivergirly Tue 23-Oct-12 18:50:56


Just checking in -finally caught up on the last thread - been too knackered to face the laptop in the evenings after all day at work but finally over the really knackered and sicky phase. Phew!

I have had 2 scans already - on the first the baby was too dinky to be measured so had to go back and now I have been put back a week sad - so currently 14 + 5.

Next week - during half term so both ds' have to come too - I have my 16 week check- cant wait to hear the heartbeat and know that things are going along nicely - seem to be more worried this time than I was before with either my DS'.

We will defo find out the baby's sex if they can tell us but only one of us will be happy - i really would like just 1 pink one as I am soooo outnumbered already and DP really wants a boy to carry on the family name - 2 ds' are from my previous marriage! Easier to know whether to keep the boys' things or clear them out too if we know what we are expecting and narrow down name decisions!

Dandelion75 Tue 23-Oct-12 18:53:18

Missed a page - this thread is moving fast! We are not planning to find out the gender although many people seem surprised by that. Think most people I know did tend to find out.

I've got 16 week appointment with MW tomorrow too and am also counting down the the days to 20 week scan - 29 to go grin


birdbrain17 Tue 23-Oct-12 18:56:34

thanks dandelion energy burst is not a myth I was very happy to have started mine till I ended up back in bed due to being up all night throwing up hmm

JaquelineHyde Tue 23-Oct-12 19:22:55

I didn't want to find out but DH does and I have been convinced.

Basically my argument was that I wanted a lovely surprise and DH's argument was surely it will be a lovely surprise no matter when we find out.

My mum then waded in and reminded me that after just going through labour your not really up for revelling in the surprise etc.

So I caved in and will now find out......

However, we won't just be told by the sonographer, we are going to ask for it to be written on a bit of paper and put in a sealed envelope so that we can open it privately together over a nice dinner or in a place we choose that will make it more personal and special etc.

Giddypants Tue 23-Oct-12 19:31:12

Oh faith I'd not thought of that blush I suppose I go in and ask for a section please? Will ask the mw when I see her on Thursday.

We're not finding out the gender this time round, I knew with DS. But I knew he was a boy anyway so just a confirmation, DH didn't want to know so had to keep it to myself and my mum for 4 months!
This time I have no vibes, DH thinks girl, and my mum is desperate to find out but I really want a surprise this time, and I'm getting used to not knowing, will buy a few neutral things when the time comes.

Giddypants Tue 23-Oct-12 19:32:53

jaqueline did they give you a reason why your waters went early?

Emmie10 Tue 23-Oct-12 20:00:14

I am definitely more flump than bump!

After being told at booking in appointment to call GP's surgery for 16 week appointment, I found out yesterday that they don't do them here any more angry . I am so disappointed and will need to wait until my 20 week scan for reassurance that everything is ok.

Sorry to hear about the ladies having a hard time.

15 + 6

Bambino29 Tue 23-Oct-12 21:10:53

Jessie - I'm still feeling sick. In fact, spent the first 12 weeks with nausea but no real sickness and the last 3 weeks with both so things are actually getting worse! how about you? birdbrain - sounds a bit like what you've had lately, although am only actually being sick in the mornings so maybe not. Hope you feel much better soon.

Choco - glad scan went well and reassuring that you'll be monitored so closely.


LoobyLou33 Tue 23-Oct-12 21:27:35

Wow new thread already galloping! Love the name :-) Welcome new ladies / peace to those of you with bleeds or health concerns / energy all round please...

I too am still totally shattered, like essex (I think twas you) I was awake for an hour after peeing last night, 4-5am...specially miffed as it was the first night in a week DS slept through and felt like I was wasting the quietness by lying there awake! IN fact - I must go to bed now, that definitely helps.

Interesting about iron levels...my diet is pretty shite at the moment, so wouldn't be surprised if that's contributing. But last time I wasn't so tired and ate the same rubbish. Maybe I'll get tablets just in case.

Also if people are thinking of buying the dream genii pillow, I used mine for breastfeeding afterwards, it's a bit bulky but winds nicely round your waist.

HavingALittleFaithBaby Tue 23-Oct-12 21:29:45

Yes jessie my sickness comes and goes. Told someone on Sunday I hadn't been sick for two weeks and threw up that night! blush I'm still on lots of tablets and I retch when taking them - never had a problem before.

Try not to stress about the car - these things happen. I bashed mine against the neighbours access ramp and dented the bumper (before I had pregnancy as an excuse!). At least no-one was hurt.

Missmuffet28 Tue 23-Oct-12 21:32:18

Evening all seems everyone is still awaiting the 'pregnancy bloom' !!!! Maybe it's a myth lol I do hope not! Well I still have my headache sad my ankles are killing also but I think that's due to walking up the biggest hill in town in wellies with the dog yesterday!

I'm thinking of all you that are having problems but I'm glad that everyones little ones are doing ok with it all.

I'm also still thinking of mrsjohndeere I hope she is ok and finding some strength in her family

I'm finding out what colour mine is ds1 was a surprise, this time I want to buy pink or blue stuff instead of people asking if its a boy or a girl...... I like the envelope idea tho may do that one although dp isn't sure if he wants to know and mil doesn't want to know as she thinks its just like Christmas getting a present....... Uh no it's nothing like Christmas lol!

Have fallen out with dp tonight though he really snapped at me earlier I think my moods and whining may have got boring for him especially as the poor button has a cold too!!! Well sunshine you got another 5 months to go yet man up!!!
I have been sulking in my bed since 5.30, ordered pizza so I didn't have to go down and ds made me a cup of tea and tried cheering me up by making faces with a bucket on his head, love him!!!!!!

15 smile

Dysgu Tue 23-Oct-12 21:32:35

I saw my consultant today and she agreed I can stay with the MW. No need to spend hours waiting around in the hospital. She did sign me up to have steroid injections at 26 weeks to make sure the lungs develop in preparation for this one coming early too but we are planning on going all the way!

I have so many appointments already I am nearly halfway down the page inside my notes already - scans, swabs, injections, glucose test, appointments for preemie research stuff - and that is before I call to make a MW appointment for 16 weeks.

Did get a bonus listen to the heartbeat today though as the hospital MW was lovely and said 'as you are hear, shall we have a listen?' even though my scan was only last week. The heartbeat is a gallop, which 'might' mean it is a girl

DDs are very much into the idea of a baby growing in my tummy - they like to stroke it already as that is what they see DP do! They know it will take a long time to come out...

And I have now gone 2 whole days without being sick. I have lost just over a stone since my +ve test although am feeling like I look like I ate all the pies! Still this is DC3 so it is going to show sooner.

Dysgu Tue 23-Oct-12 21:36:28

We also won't be finding out the gender of this baby - we didn't with 2DDs either although it was a little while before anyone told me that DC1 was a girl as she had to be rushed to NICU! In fact, I think I had to ask!

Also just a thought re people taking iron tablets - I was recommended them in previous PGs but my MW told me that to take Spatone is often better as it doesn't have the 'blocking' side-effect! The disadvantage is that they can't prescribe it so you have to buy it but you just tip it into orange juice or something and drink it as it is 'natural iron water'. (I have never had constipation (until now sad ) and TBH I would pay anything to avoid it!)

bunnygirl80 Tue 23-Oct-12 21:44:29

choco glad all was ok with your scan. Make sure you take it easy though

bona we will be finding out the sex, we did with DS because I'm impatient and couldn't wait the full 9 months to find out. This time I think it will just make things easier, knowing if I can just dust off DS's old clothes, or if I can give them all away and get girly things instead. I don't really have a gender preference this time, but I'm pretty sure this one is another boy.

dandelion I'm definitely feeling more energetic this week. I wouldn't say it's a burst like amount of energy, but I feel more normal than I did during the first trimester.

I seem to have finally recovered from the norovirus that had be floored for 3 days last week. Am back to pre pregnancy weight too, so I suppose that's one vague benefit of keeping no food down for 72 hrs! Bump has definitely popped out too, have been getting comments at work, so it's not just all in my head.

toobreathless Tue 23-Oct-12 22:35:54

Busy day here, I work fulltime but have a Tuesday afternoon off for paperwork & personal study, in reality this means I cram the paperwork in whenever I can and have Tuesday afternoon with DD & DH. This afternoon we went swimming, which was fun.

I daren't say this too loud but I am definately blooming shoot me now. I am lucky & pregnancy seems to suit me generally. I found being 6 weeks pregnant harder than 36 weeks pregnant with DD mainly due to bone aching tiredness. I suspect the same will be true this time.

We will also be finding out the sex, scan is three weeks today! We did with DD as DH went to Afghanistan two weeks later returning for the birth & he wanted to. I didn't feel it detracted from the excitement or surprise at all. Strongly suspect this is another girl & that is my (secret) preference to be honest, although I'm not sure why.

On phone, will try & name check tomorrow. Wishing everyone a good nights sleep.

Missmuffet28 Wed 24-Oct-12 05:30:03

Does everyone secretly have a preference??? I know some say they don't mind what they have etc etc i am one of those, but I think secretly I may have a preference!! I'm not saying what my secret preference is lol but its there in the back of my head!

I have a hunch this one is a boy not sure why think its because I have developed a line of hair up to my belly button not like full on man hair thankgod!!
I have 4 weeks yet till I find out it'll drive me mad wondering what it is smile

So much for the sleep been in out of it for most of the night dp couldn't sleep so has been tossing and turning and now got up to go and play on the computer like that's going to help him sleep! So then I had to wee then I was thirsty and now an hour later I'm on mn hehe!! I'm gonna be fun tomorrow.........


Mama1980 Wed 24-Oct-12 08:56:35

Morning all, wow this thread is moving crazy fast! Gonna try to do a catch up sorry in advance if I miss anyone smile
Chocoloco- thanks I'm so glad you work and dp are being so supportive and taking good care of you. How are you feeling now? Very briefly I had my hips rebuilt following a car crash 4 years ago was 26 weeks with my ds at the time hence he was born then grin had them redone a few weeks before finding out about this pregnancy as my hips dislocated which is why my legs are not working, they'll fix it all hopefully once baby is safely delivered. Yes I miss my dc s terribly but I do see them everyday, gotta stay positive.

Birdbrain- I hope your feeling better? Am sending much sympathy it's rotten being sick.

Somewherebecomingrain- yes box sets are my friend also have Netflix and lovefilm!

Trying and bonadea- so happy you got to hear the heartbeat, best sound in the world smile

Giddypants- I'm very glad you consultant is being so supportive. Hope your feeling well?

Teapig- yes I'm laying on my left side as much as possible but I don't know if its a old wives tale one nurse said yes the other no I will try to ask the consultant when I see him Friday.

Rivergirl- glad your starting I feel better now.

I am definitely going to be finding out the sex they might look on Friday for me given the circumstances if babe co operates.
Miss muffet- I definitely don't have a preference I already have one of each (though dd not by birth sgo) but I do have a gut feeling. I was certain my ds was a boy even before I found out.
I won't be buying anything at all for the baby though until he/she is safely born I'm very superstitious. smile I daren't even look at baby things online.

JaquelineHyde Wed 24-Oct-12 10:09:29

Giddy No reason for my waters going early, I was told it is just one of those things. However, my consultant this time round said it could be due to a certain bacteria in my wee that can cause premature rupture of membranes but no other issues at all. Which is why I will also be getting my wee sent off to the lab to be analysed every few weeks.

The most traumatic thing about it all was that at the time the midwives kept telling me it wasn't my waters breaking and that I was just weeing myself. After nearly a week of constantly leaking I caught some in a little sample pot and took it in. They then realised it was my waters and hit panic stations, steroid injections, blood tests every other day, scans every other day a million and one appointments and then when I finally went into labour weeks later they didn't believe that either and kept telling me it was pregnancy niggles!

Giddypants Wed 24-Oct-12 10:20:13

Bloody Nora jaqueline how frustrating for you to be telling them over and over just to be ignored! I'd be fuming, hope they are looking after you a bit better this time round.
A similar thing happened to my cousin, the didn't believe that her waters had gone, and said she has wet herself! She was in labour a week before they did anything, and when they eventually got the baby out (she was fine) my cousin kept on bleeding very nearly needed a hysterectomy and about 30 units of blood!

mama good to hear your hanging in there and so is stubborn bean! I'm feeling ok, still get the waves of nausea and tiredness no blooming in this house yet!

itsaruddygame Wed 24-Oct-12 10:21:51

Bona - yes I am definately finding out the sex. I can't wait - 3 weeks on Friday until my scan. I am convinced its a boy - will be happy with either but it will be a suprise if its a girl!

Mama - I don't know if you like reading but if you do I can highly recommend the 100 year old man who climbed out of the window and dissapeared. I am reading it at the moment and it is utterly ridiculous and bloody hilarious.

Is anyone considering a doppler (or have you already used one for a previous pregnancy?) I fancy getting one but my Mum thinks I will become neurotic if I get one (me - neurotic - never!). I really enjoyed hearing the heartbeat at my appointment this week and think that it would be great to listen in on a regular basis however I suppose it could cause issues if I can't hear it!

Good luck to those re: bleeding and with other health concerns. Mine seems to have more or less stopped so hoping it stays away for good this time!

MrsSimkins Wed 24-Oct-12 10:54:31

Wow haven't been on here for ages! Can't believe we're on part 4!
Well I'm 16+2 and am finally feeling alive again. I definitely have more energy. Had a little panic last week my hair started falling out but my hairdresser it was probably down to the fact that I have bleached hair and with the baby taking a lot of the goodness out of my hair it just could tolerate it anymore so I now have a red pixie crop style hair do which I would never in a million years of done otherwise but actually quite love it! As does DH thank god!
We won't be finding out the sex as I've been told by a few friends that the urge to find out what you've been carrying around inside you for 9 months helps you find some extra energy to push when your exhausted in labour! I like the idea of it being a surprise too.
Hope everyones stats 'glowing' soon xxx

Mama1980 Wed 24-Oct-12 10:57:07


MumofWombat Wed 24-Oct-12 11:28:53

I think my Drs might be sick of the sight of me.
Monday, DH frogmarched me in as I had been feeling very dizzy, faint and unwell. After a fairly lengthy check up, they felt it was probably viral, and told me to have bed/sofa rest. Got home to find a letter from them saying they had results of mine, and that these meant I needed I make an appointment to talk to a dr. I panicked. Panicked and fretted all night until our appointment yesterday. All it was was that it is a new practice and paperwork is coming out of anywhere and everywhere. It was a copy of my discharge from DS recommending contraception! Bit late now!!
I was so relieved - the earliest appt wasn't with our normal Dr, so once we told him the very shortened story of DS (my discharge letter from 18 months ago made it there but our medical records haven't yet....) he understood my anxiety and apologised for the letter going out to me.
And today DS had his 18month immunisation, so we were there again!
Still feeling dizzy at times, by not as bad thank goodness.
I'm going to aim tomorrow for no visits to the Drs!

I think we might find out the gender this time. We didn't last time, and we loved not knowing, but I think I want to be able to get a bit more organised in advance this time. Also, we cannot agree on any boy names, so it might help to know if we need to continue ploughing through books/Internet for inspiration or whether just to short list the oodles of girls names we like. But I think it's a boy. DHs family only seem to have produced boy sperm for generations now.....

trying2bpos Wed 24-Oct-12 12:17:53

mama love the halloween smiley so back at you wink

Gosh you lot are really making me wonder about not finding out the sex now! The names thing and getting rid of lots of boys clothes would be good but not a good reason really. confused

I don't know if I am having pg clumsiness or what but after trying to suppress a coughing attack (cold still raging) in a meeting this morning I poured coffee everywhere, tried to go and get papertowels to clean up only to come back and find someone else had done it for me with towels we already had in the room. Talk about making a spectacle of your self. blush.

jaqueline I don't know why they're so weird with the whole waters breaking thing surely most woman know the difference. They made me sit on a mat for 30 mins in the hospital (even though I had taken in several sanitary towels and had seen the mucous plug, sorry if tmi) and were weird when I said after 20 mins I need to go to the toilet, 'oh well if you go now we'll only have to start the 30 min again'. Mind you after I decided to go anyway they soon realised my waters had gone when they looked at the mat (ergh)!

mama what is sleeping on left side better for? It's naturally my fave side but find myself on front back and right side at the moment as sleep is so disturbed.

I found it took me til at least 15w to feel somewhat normal, less exhausted and nauseous, so hope you all start to feel better very soon! Definitely no bloom in sight and still a bit spotty sad!

Wow mammoth post better go and do some work!
OO the thought of a bacon sandwich just popped into my head, damn it!

jj247 Wed 24-Oct-12 13:07:35

Hi, I'm new on here can I join in? smile Expecting my first (at the grand old age of 40, well 41 by the time bean arrives!) on 22nd April. Super excited but still scared to be... hoping 20week scan helps alleviates fears when that finally comes round, although was lovely seeing little bean (doing somersaults, super wriggly!) last week and finally believing that it wasn't all just in my imagination smile

Missmuffet28 Wed 24-Oct-12 13:17:31

Welcome jj smile

trying2bpos Wed 24-Oct-12 13:47:50

Congratulations and welcome jj. I had my first at 40 and will be just 42 for second, it's no age at all really. grin There's a couple of us older mums on here too.

itsaruddygame Wed 24-Oct-12 14:39:00

Re: The left side thing I read somewhere that it is to do with the position of the stomach and that in later pregnancy when everything is getting really squashed the left side is better as the stomach does not get as crunched up. Can't remember where I read this though!!

bext Wed 24-Oct-12 14:59:17

Hi all,
Choco, glad to hear it's not too bad. Hang on in there.

We had scan yesterday at 13w and saw it dancing around - no wonder i've been feeling awful given the kick boxing it was doing.

Nuchel fold was really thin, but beacuse of my age (36) and I had one raised hormone, it reduced our downs risk to 1 in 92. We had a long debate about it - being over 36 automatically brings your risk factor down to 1 in 200 and the cut off point for amnio is 1 in 150.
We decided in the end not to have amnio though - the risk of miscarriage is 1 in 100, so we're basically looking at equal odds on either having a baby with downs or losing the baby by finding out.

Perhaps I'm burying my head in the sand, but i've decided i'd rather enjoy the pregnancy, assume nothing is wrong, and deal with it at the end if it does end up having downs.

Anyone else faced a similar choice?

bext Wed 24-Oct-12 15:03:40

Oh and re the sleeping on the left thing, there's a good piece on babycentre about it. Apparently it "helps blood and nutrients to flow to your baby and uterus and helps your kidneys get rid of waste and fluids. This position will help you to get comfortable and sleep better as your bump grows."


kellestar Wed 24-Oct-12 15:18:47

bext you also have the 20 week scan which will also highlight if there are any soft markers for downs. I've seen a few debates about this over on the antenatal tests/choices boards. I've not been in the same situation myself, but risk factors based triple or quad test high or low don't have a guarantee you won't end up with a downs baby. The only reason I'd want to know is to prepare myself as a parent. If your interested there was some good info on the special needs boards as well, about parents who weren't expecting a Downs baby. Some really positive/interesting experiences over there.

I've just come back from a visit to the midwives [just a 2 minute walk away] as I came back from bumps, babes and tots with bleeding and had a little panic. I've had the cramping for a few days and thought it was normal pains. The student midwife was lovely, found the heartbeat and sounds well. Checked my knickers [didn't have a pad and had staining] felt a bit grotty about that. Advise is to wear a pad and keep an eye on it, call if a problem. They think it's cervical blood rather than placental.

trying2bpos Wed 24-Oct-12 15:21:13

thanks bext good to know that one of the things I naturally do might actually be good for me and the baby!

Sorry about your dilemma bext when waiting for my results I thought exactly the same as you about the risk of miscarriage possibly being similar to the ds risk (esp as I've had a few mcs already). Do you know the mc amnio stats for your particular hospital they might be much better than 1:100 if that is one of the main reasons you'd avoid it. Your risk of DS is still only just over 1% (1.08) though people on here have had much higher risks in the past and had baby without downs. Hope this is some comfort.

bext Wed 24-Oct-12 15:25:55

Thanks Kellestar and trying2bpos. I'll have a look at the special needs / antenatal tests boards, hadn't thought of that.
I think we've made the right decision - I'm an optimist so will just bumble my way through!

angeltattoo Wed 24-Oct-12 15:26:22

Hi everyone and welcome newbies!

I am still being sick, generally just the once first thing in the morning...I wan't sick on Saturday and I wasn't sick this morning, but I was Sunday and Monday and Tuesday, so who knows if/when it'll pass...

We definitely want to find out the gender. We both say we don't mind what we have (but I know H would love a boy) but I have a sneaky feeling it's a boy. I really don't mind which, as long as some magic fairy could tell me we'll have one, or more, of each at some point (disclaimer: I know it doesn't work like that grin !) I have an older brother and we are very close, so boy then girl would be perfect!

Because I think it's a boy, I've made an effort to look at boys and boy things and see how lovely they are...(I always notice lovely girl things!) this may sound very strange but I think if it's a girl I'll be sad it's not a boy, and if it's a boy I'll be sad it's not a girl...does that make sense? Almost like I'd love one of each right now because both boys and girls are so fab! But I already love this baby so much that it will make little difference in the long run!

I am trying to find a yoga class near me, but they all seem to be full, and I struggle for energy in the evenings too.

I bought a doppler from ebay last week and have spent several hours trying to find the HB (to no avail!), told my boss yesterday, and she told me off, saying that they are really bad for their hearing...now I feel terrible, guilty and like an awful mother already!!! As soon as she said it, it made sense, it is so loud, and I think it realy makes the baby move, hence why I couldn't find the HB. I keep apologising to my bump, and praying that I've not done ay damage. I won't use it again, and so what a waste of money!!!

15 + 5 today...cannot wait for 20 week scan!!!

trying2bpos Wed 24-Oct-12 15:38:54

angel you are so funny and too right about the magic fairy. I wish that too and have a DS and cos of age this will be my last!

Re: your doppler, both my bumps (this one and ds, sounded bit weird) have positively avoided it so I think you're wise to avoid using it esp as my MW who is v.exp had trouble tracking it down and could actually see baby moving. Don't feel bad i doubt you'll have done any harm just put it back on ebay and who knows you might even get more than you paid for it!

somewherebecomingrain Wed 24-Oct-12 16:17:18

hello jj247 why don't you come over to the over 40s thread! and trying2bpos as well, i've tried to tempt you over there already! recently we've discussing Daniel Craig, how you feel about DC1 when DC2 is on its way and birth choices (it's an ELCS for most over 40s!) what's not to like?


bext you sound very wise. i've seen so many stories on mumsnet about high risk people - much higher than you - and it all comes out fine.

HavingALittleFaithBaby Wed 24-Oct-12 17:07:29

Ultimately any decision about choices is down to you. Although its slightly increased, it's still less than 2%. my friend found at the 20 week scan her DS had bilateral cleft lip and they said a 1/4 chance he'd had learning disabilities. Aside from the lip he is fine - he's now had his surgery and is a gorgeous smiley baby! I said to her - although 1/4 is high, it's still in 3/4 chance he's ok and he was smile

Flavour wise - I'd lean towards having a girl, DH a son but we really don't mind. Our gut feeling is boy but we want to find out at the scan!


JaquelineHyde Wed 24-Oct-12 17:15:27

Hey somewhere stop trying to poach our members grin

PandaWatch Wed 24-Oct-12 17:20:29

I really don't mind what we have but ideally I'd probably have four DCs and have two of each! I grew up with one brother and two sisters and love having both but seeing how my brother's boys are together makes me think I'd want all of them to have a brother and a sister! Think 3 will be the limit for us though (hoping that we are lucky enough for that many!) and really, whatever we have will be wonderful.

Wishing you the very best Bext. Obviously it is a very personal and private choice but I totally agree with your reasoning.

somewherebecomingrain Wed 24-Oct-12 17:41:02

hey jacqueline i don't mean leave this thread! anyway they're ignoring me! smile

EmpressMatilda Wed 24-Oct-12 18:39:03

bext That sounds sensible to me. Age seems to be given a lot of weight when considering these things so probably a lot of people get higher results than they should just because of it.

Regarding gender I would prefer a girl but I think that's because I had a sister and no brothers so I can visualise us with a little girl but I just can't imagine us with a boy. That's why I really want to find out soon so if it's a boy I have time to adjust! Also, (this will sound petty) DH and I are always arguing about whether to have one or two. He only wants one but I know he wants a son so am thinking if this is a girl he might be more inclined to want to try again!

All that said, I am really coming to appreciate how lucky we will be to get a healthy baby at the end of it all considering how much can go wrong. So that's my overriding feeling!

EmpressMatilda Wed 24-Oct-12 18:45:35

Am also trying to sleep on left side but am veering to the right on instinct.

What are people's views on caffeine? Most of my friends cut it out completely but my mum and MiL think that's barmy. I cut it out totally in first trimester but am back on the cups of tea this week as the only thing keeping me awake.


HavingALittleFaithBaby Wed 24-Oct-12 19:18:23

I've stopped drinking tea (bearing in mind I never drank coffee and can't drink fizzy drinks) so my caffiene intake is purely chocolate! I only cut out tea because it made me throw up! I still don't fancy it. I'll have the odd decaf but essentially I've cut it right out.

SneezySnatcher Wed 24-Oct-12 19:42:58

We are going to find out the gender so we can tell DD if she's getting a brother or a sister. I have a slight preference for a girl (about 51% : 49%) as I'm very close to my sister so I'd hope for the same for DD. Also, we already have loads of girl stuff!

Dandelion75 Wed 24-Oct-12 20:22:42

MW appointment today and got to hear the heartbeat! So exciting! No idea whether it could be described as galloping, or like a train (which I heard an give you a clue to the gender). But don't care as it was a really, proper loud heartbeat coming from in my big fat pregno-belly, and it was bloody lovely grin grin grin

No caffeine over here for ages now - DP and I cut it out 3 years ago as part of our many, many desperate measures to help getting pg. if I have even a whiff these days I get giddy and even more hyper and annoying. Not lost my taste for decaf tea though, and really love the redbush stuff too at the mo.

FlaminNoraImPregnantPanda Wed 24-Oct-12 20:44:40

So I had my screening scan today. There is a baby so not a figment of my imagination grin The due date is 6th May though, can I still stay here?

I found getting the results of the screening test a bit scary. I didn't realise tha the average risk for women my age (40) was so high shock. Am very pleased to report though that I am low risk for Downs (1:2869) and extremely low risk for Edward's and Patua (1:20000).

Now I can start shopping. Yippee!

Teapig Wed 24-Oct-12 20:59:02

Aw that's great dandelion, must have been amazing to hear the heart beat.

empress I could never cut out tea as name suggests but have switched to decaf since ttc and it does the trick.

I told some colleagues at work today about pg and am having a bit of a freak out that i've jumped the gun. I don't feel pg and after telling them suddenly felt like a fraud. I've never had any symptoms except tiredness and now don't feel tired.

Perhaps it's the legendary bloom. I don't mean to moan or worry when others are going through things but am so worried something is wrong. Cannot wait for 16 week appt next week really need some reassurance.


Wow, new thead and on page 4 already!!

DH & I have been talking about whether we should find out the baby's sex at the 20 week scan. He definatey wants to, I'm not sure yet (although the last few days I have been drawn to the idea of finding out). Scan is 3 weeks on Friday, which seems ages away!

My moods have really gone in to overdrive. I'm having some seriously ratty days at the moment, where I just have to put my self to bed so as not to wind up DH and to give me a break from myself too! smile

My belly has grown to the point that I'm walking round work with my trousers undone, but depending on who I speak to comments vary from "ooh you've got a right bump there" to "ooh you've still got no bump yet" hmm I think the 'big' days are just when I need a big trump blush

I'm convinced I am starting to feel very faint flutters, particularly on my left side. They feel more like my skin twitching - very odd!


tattooedapril87 Wed 24-Oct-12 21:14:02

im still feeling sick alot of the time: but thankfully no actual sickness...

although now im starting to get metallic taste in my mouth after some meals- its ruining my dinners!!

Giddypants Wed 24-Oct-12 21:15:37

Have got my 16 week mw appointment tomorrow morning bit nervous font know why? confused

Have got 45 minutes to kill between dropping off DS and appointment any suggestions what I can do?

tattooedapril87 Wed 24-Oct-12 21:20:38

oops- 15+1

birdbrain17 Wed 24-Oct-12 21:52:45

Hi thanks to anyone who gave me sympathy yesterday. I was feeling better by last night (hadn't thrown up for ages just really tired) so decided to go to work today but because I hadn't really eaten properly yesterday I was feeling a bit light headed and after spending the morning trying not to faint every time I stood up I decided to come home to bed. My MIL has been really great she sent supper round tonight (my parents live out of town) and it was lasagne which I love as anything with cheese in at the moment is just great! I think my bump looked a bit smaller today from not eating so I guess normally I'm a bit bloated...

I was telling a colleague today I might need cover tomorrow morning as I was having flu jab this evening and from experience I normally feel ill the next day (I used to have it because I was asthmatic) and she looked at me funny and said why you having the flu jab? I was really surprised I thought everyone knew already about my little bump I guess some people are just really unobservant! grin

Hope everyone had a good day and is feeling good. Oh and welcome to all the newbies smile

usernamegoeshere Wed 24-Oct-12 22:40:36

I didn't give up caffeine, I have 1 cup of instant coffee in the morning & about 2 cups of tea in the evening. I read that was OK, only OH & 1 friend know I'm pregnant so I'm lucky that I can just look things up & make decisions on that type of thing without people frowning at me.

Saying that, my friend who I told tried to stop me eating a fried egg... so I didn't get away without frowning completely.

I'm cramping quite a bit this week, its hard to know the difference between constipation & pregnancy pains (or is that just me???)

OH mentioned the baby voluntarily & without crying or grimacing hardly at all earlier, was super happy as I took it as a sign that he is accepting it. I can't remember what he was doing, it was something incredibly stupid & he laughed a bit and said I would have 2 babys to look after except one would be really big and hard to control.


bunnygirl80 Wed 24-Oct-12 23:17:20

empress I cut out coffee early on but only because it made me feel sick. I was having the odd glass of full fat coke as that helped the nausea, so I was still having some caffeine. I limit myself to one cup of real coffee a day now, and then decaf if I want more. I've only ever really had one cup in the morning anyway, and that's well within what's considered to be acceptable amounts.

flamimpanda of course you can stay here. I'm sure some of the ladies who are due at the end of the month may well still be pg by the time May arrives anyway grin

enjay0811 Wed 24-Oct-12 23:34:16

Hi all, we're definitely finding out the sex here. We have 2 dd's already so it would be lovely for them to have a brother as I grew up with 1 brother. Dh has made no secret that he would like a boy too but our 2 dd's have such different personalities, if this one is pink, I'd just be happy and thankful that its healthy. Dh would just be surrounded by girls!

Don't know when this pregnancy bloom is going to kick in, my hair looks shit, I'm covered in spots and can't brush my teeth without throwing up sad I'm also getting slightly concerned at my 'growing by the day' bump confused I'm already in over bump maternity trousers and jeans and couldn't deny I was pregnant if I tried! I know things expand more easily as its dc3 but starting to think they missed a baby at the scan or sumthin! Anyone else got this or am I just being irrational?!

Welcome to all the newbies and thinking about those that are having problems but getting through it.

I'm soo sorry not to include names in my posts, on my phone and can't scroll back blush baby brain doesn't help!


Cadmum Thu 25-Oct-12 03:17:57

Thanks for the new thread. I am struggling to keep up but enjoying the chatter.

16+4 (I think...) No... Maybe 17+4 (How bad is it that I cannot even remember.)

edinfirst Thu 25-Oct-12 07:18:15

enjay you are not alone. This is DC1 so I have no sense of how big or small I should expect to be but I have had a couple of dramatic growth spurts and feel huge. Yesterday a colleague commented how big I was and checked it's not twins...cue some frantic googling to see how common it is to miss a twin at the 12 week scan (sensible answer very rare, panicky answer but it did happen to someone the girl on that American chat forum knew hmm). I had heard about how everyone would have opinions on your pregnancy that you'd need to learn to ignore, but I hadn't appreciated it would start quite so soon!


EssexWelsh Thu 25-Oct-12 07:34:33

Woo hoo, had 8 hours of uninterrupted sleep! Woken up sneezing but can't have everything!


shomes Thu 25-Oct-12 07:51:11

Hello all on new thread! Haven't caught up in ages sorry, been so busy with work, can't wait til the half term begins! Heard the heartbeat last Friday which was a relief and a few small kicks from then which was lovely, although not much movement this week so far, trying to stay positive and not worry about anything but its very hard!
So happy to hear * mama* is ok although probably bored stiff in hospital, good luck to everyone x

Missmuffet28 Thu 25-Oct-12 08:19:50

It's strange to think we are all fast approaching the half way marker it seemed to be going so slowly but now it feels like its flown by!

shomes me either! Last day of school today here then the well needed week off!

essex does sneezing hurt you? I hate sneezing it hurts so bad down below my bump i try to avoid doing it now!

My bump is def there I know some of it is still bloat like it was before but its bigger now and there's no hiding it really no sucking in of the stomach cos it don't go anywhere shock I had pretty much no bump with ds and I mean no bump so I'm kinda proud of this one! Have grabbed a mat coat from eBay some really nice ones on there as mine now doesn't do up over my boobs or belly and I'm not going all winter with my coat open that's for sure!

Have a great day all X

Mama1980 Thu 25-Oct-12 09:31:53

Morning all hope everyone is well? I am having my scan today as I have passed some clots overnight. Fingers crossed all is well abd they're even be able to see the sex

chocoloco12 Thu 25-Oct-12 09:58:30

Good luck mama, let us know how the scan goes! Oooo I wonder whether you're gonna be having a little pink one or a blue one?! How exciting! At work today so will do a catch up soon, hope everyone else is well

Hello everyone, nice to see a shiny new thread grin

I have read all the messages now but it would take me forever to post names etc so sorry for being a bit useless in that department.

Welcome and congratulations to all our new joiners, that list is HUGE!! And Kellestar thank you soooo much for sorting that stats list out, it's been niggling at me for ages but I just couldn't find the mental capacity to do it. Much better now it's all in the proper order grin Remember ladies, copy the LAST list from the LAST page if you're updating anything or Kelle might have a hormonal pregnancy rant after all her hard work hahaha!

Mama How exciting that you might be finding out the sex today, eeekkk! I hope all is still well with you and bubs. I'm so glad he/she is hanging on in there. What a pair of troopers you are. Have fingers crossed for you that everything is looking good today and your little one plays along and shows you what needs to be seen!

Sorry to hear some of you have been ill. It's that time of year again isn't it? We had a sick bug then got the hideous flu like cold thing that everyone seems to be coming down with. I don't ever remember a cold being so bad. I felt so ill for just over a week, it's still lingering now but at least I can actually eat again, my throat felt like it was being shredded just having a sip of water.

I'm sure someone mentioned having bought a doppler. I've never heard that it can damage babies hearing before, I don't really understand how it could, am I just being a bit thick? confused I used one in my 3rd pregnancy and have already used one this time as my sister gave me hers. I've only used it 3 times, picked hb up everytime so far, it's just amazing to hear that little heart beating so fast. Can even hear the little kicks and movements it makes! I think as long as you're not going mad with it and limiting the use I can't see what harm it could possibly do. MW's use them all the time!

I feel little gummy bear moving about ever so often now, for the last 2 weeks. Due to my complete lack of stomach muscles, when I lay down I can feel and see exactly where my uterus is and can feel where baby is, it's a little freaky but lovely at the same time.

I was so undecided on finding out the sex. I have 3 ds's and 2 dd's and I would like to even it out with another dd really. That and the fact that my last ds was and is like a tasmanian devil from the second he popped out. Seriously, he has been just such hard work. The girls in comparison have been a breeze! Anyway I found a place not far away that will do a gender scan from 16wks and then a 3D/4D one between 26-32wks all for £150. That includes print out pics, CD Rom pics and a DVD, for both scans. I thought it was a bit of a bargain so went and booked it. I'm all excited now so think it is just what I need. Can't wait!

We're off on holiday to North Devon on Saturday and I still am yet to even think of packing, I should be doing it now whilst they are all at school and nursery but it's so nice to sit here doing nothing apart from enjoying the peace.

I hope you all have a lovely half term/halloween week whatever you may be doing, I shall be back again after the holiday, I bet there will be another new thread by then wink


itsaruddygame Thu 25-Oct-12 10:02:47

Good luck for the scan Mama! Everything crossed for you and hope you find out the sex.

Edinfirst - I am well jel of your bump - I am 17weeks and a day and still don't really look pregnant (just a bit bloated!!). My normal trousers don't do up and have bought some mat ones and some bigger sizes but still can easily pass for not pregnant. I told the midwife on Monday that I cannot wait until I actually look pregnant and she told me the longer I did not look it the better as I will be well and truly fed up of it once I get big!

I am cautiously wondering if the bloom is starting though - have been going to bed later this week as not tired so early and even managed to go swimming after work last night wich has been unheard of in previous weeks shock

itsaruddygame Thu 25-Oct-12 10:07:23

Funsized that sounds like a good deal on the scan. My Mum is so desperate to come but of course you can only take one person to the NHS scans so I am thinking of booking a scan later on in pregnancy that my Mum (and Dad!) can come to. Will have to look into whats on offer around these parts smile

Trishstar Thu 25-Oct-12 10:58:54

Hi everyone, think I posted in the wrong place before! Sorry x

I'm Trisha, 29, ftm and I'm 15w2d pregnant.

This place seems really helpful and friendly and it's nice to know I have somewhere else to chat apart from my friends who have babies/toddlers/are pregnant.

Me and my boyfriend are so excited! We've only been together since Feb this year but as they say, when you know, you know! I had 2 long term relationships (5 years and 7 years) before this and it was just never right.

Anyway, we have our 20 week scan on November 27th and I think we will find out the sex as I have lots of friends who have boys who want to pass on things if we have a little boy.

That's enough from me!!! xxx smile

birdbrain17 Thu 25-Oct-12 11:26:35

Wow a lot of people want to find out the sex. This dc1 and I'm not planning on finding out. I will obviously be thrilled whatever it is as long as it's healthy but I can't help hoping for pink so my theory is that if I know now and it's blue I'll be upset it's blue but once it's actually born I won't care. Does that make sense? DH just laughed when I said that but I know that he secretly wants blue even though he denies it when I ask hmm

FlaminNoraImPregnantPanda Thu 25-Oct-12 12:12:06

Can I ask all your advice about something? I had my screening scan yesterday and when I told my mum about it last night she was cross with me for not allowing my daughter to be there because it's important to make her feel included too. My daughter is 19 and has AS. She did want to be there, she came to the hospital and waited in the reception but knew before hand she wouldn't be coming in with us.

The reason for this is that she is a very loud, in your face sort of person. Her AS means she doesn't really get that it's not about her and what she has to say isn't the most important thing going on. She tends to dominate situations and nobody else can get a word. My husband (her stepdad) on the other hand is a quiet unassuming aspie and usually gets completely sidelined by her. Normally he just accepts this because he's a wonderful man who understands she can't help it. I felt however that on this occasion, meeting his first child, he needed to be able to take centre stage with me.

But now I feel really bad and guilty that my daughter didn't get to be there. Have a stuffed up? sad

bext Thu 25-Oct-12 13:13:05

IMHO, I think you did the right thing, flaminnora.
If this is your & DH's first baby together, and his first child, then it's really important that you and he share the scan together and that the baby feels real for him. And also had there been any problems, it would have been important for him to be able to express his thoughts and feelings which he might not have been able to do had your daughter been there.

When that baby is born, you and your DH will need to be a really strong little unit to get used a new baby in the house, and still managing what will be a hectic household anyway (as any house with a 19 year old in is!). So it's really important he bonds with the baby and the pregnancy and feels like you and he are a strong unit.

Yes, she will need to bond with the baby and needs to feel included, but there will be lots of other opportunities to do that. Perhaps there is some stuff you and she can do together that's less important for him - shopping for baby clothes or something?

Just my opinion, but I think it sounds like you made the decision that was right for you and your husband, and your mum can't make that decision for you. x

JaquelineHyde Thu 25-Oct-12 14:22:31

flaminnora I think you did the right thing. Your daughter will have plenty of oppertunities to feel included (shopping, setting nusery up, feeling the baby kicking etc) and your Mum was completely out of order to suggest otherwise. I am angry on your behalf.

BonaDea Thu 25-Oct-12 15:03:05

flaminnora - you did completely the right thing not only for you and your DH, but also for your DD. AS or not, it is not the right thing to pander to her all the time, it doesn't teach her anything about the the hard knocks of life and that it isn't about her (or me for that matter!) all the time. biscuit

(i only added the biscuit as i wanted to use a halloween smiley, but maybe it will make you feel better anyway)

ratbagcatbag Thu 25-Oct-12 15:08:38

Hello all

Such a long time since I've meandered my way back on here, I'm feeling fab at the moment, getting a bump but still in normal clothes and boobs not growing thankfully (already huge so was just panicing about that). I'm still minus 5lb to before I got pregnant, so even though I am loving choc, I just can't eat the quantities I want too smile

Cannot believe on Sunday I am officially half way through!


FlaminNoraImPregnantPanda Thu 25-Oct-12 15:31:45

Thank you ladies. I did think at the time it was the right thing to do. I need to trust myself more.

Flamin I think your Mum was totally wrong to have said that to you! angry

And especially as it was a screening scan. It would have been awful if god forbid there had been any problems. There's plenty of time for dd to bond with the baby. You did the right thing.

olympicvibes Thu 25-Oct-12 15:59:23

Hello! This is my first post, 1st pg and 17 wks today smile Hope everyone ok and well and those who aren't having a great time, hugs. I'm off work and haven't had the bet of times so far but baby is ok and I'm so glad to have found the April bump club to share a little moan and a laugh and along the way. EDD 4th April.

FlaminNoraImPregnantPanda Thu 25-Oct-12 16:29:40

Don't be too cross at my mum. I know she means well. She's just extremely PFB (grandchild) with my daughter and is completely, willfully blind to her faults.

kellestar Thu 25-Oct-12 16:33:23

flamin your mum is being daft! smile You were right to take your DH. Your DD will have plenty of chances to bond with bump and baby.

mama hope your scan goes well.

olympicvibes welcome to the board, feel free to join in! We get a little chatty, what with there being so many of us. Last count was 97 but I think that may be 100 as we have had a few newbies that haven't added their details to the stats thread.

DD went to gymtots with MiL who is taking her home to play with and give her tea. Means that I've had an afternoon of watching ER [Carol Hathaway is having her twins!] and eating lebkuchen from lidl. Getting all teary seeing the snuggly newborns. Bleeding has stopped and I'm just feeling manky with this cold, but enjoying the peace and quiet.

kellestar Thu 25-Oct-12 16:36:27

Oh! DH bought me a gift. Bump to Birthday, pregnancy and first year journal. www.fromyoutome.com/parentandchild/bumptobirthday.html He had it sent from Amazon [so a little cheaper] but it's lovely, journal starts at 9 weeks. Plenty of space for free writing and pictures. Also has questions for you to answer. It's really lovely.

I have an Our Story from Mum to Daughter which I have enjoyed keeping for DD.

Mama1980 Thu 25-Oct-12 16:40:37

Thanks all. My scan went well but I'm still bleeding heavily. Can't seem to stop crying I just don't seem to be able to shake this feeling of something I dont know I've been Having some cramping and am just so tired. I found out the sex it was pretty clear and it suddenly seems real, this baby even best case is gonna have such a fight because me stupid crappy body can't do the job it was apparently designed for. The drs kept saying its good news it won't be so bad well my son fought for his life for months and months and scbu was every bit as bloody awful as my worst nightmare. I just feel so guilty My poor baby. my partner didnt come to the scan either, too hard apparently...... Sorry girls for the me me me post but it helps to write and there's no one else to talk to.

kellestar Thu 25-Oct-12 16:45:54

mama never worry. We are always here for you. A little boy! that's lovely. I bet your children will be happy to know. I really want to give you a un-MN hug, I'd also sneak you in a large bar of chocolate, but don't know if you'd be able to keep it down/fancy it smile

edinfirst Thu 25-Oct-12 17:03:23

Oh mama you have been so strong that it's only inevitable you have a wee wobble now and again. You have created some real fighters (they take after their mum!) and they are all made of strong stuff. I know it must be so hard for you in hospital but we are all here for you (we'll take shifts to sneak the hugs onto MN and the chocolate into the ward!) xx

Bambino29 Thu 25-Oct-12 17:53:20

Hey ladies,

Quick question... Did you have to ring up docs surgery to book 16 week mw appointment or did they call you? Haven't heard anything about it yet - no one mentioned it at my 12 week scan.

Thanks smile

EmpressMatilda Thu 25-Oct-12 18:07:12

mama It sounds so hard. Can't imagine how awful it must be. Inevitable that you're feeling down but baby is aluve and kicking which is surely worth a smile. Hugs and positive thoughts from all of us!

bambino I had to phone up for mine. So far scan appointments have come through the post but MW appts have been up to me to phone up and book. Nobody told me that in the beginning though.

Bambino29 Thu 25-Oct-12 18:50:28

Thanks Empress - will call in the morning. This pregnancy lark is one big learning curve!

Mama - just to let you know I'm thinking of you. Pregnancy is stressfull enough without extra things to worry about - youre very entitled to a wobble! Guess being in hospital means it's hard to think about anything else. So glad baby is holding in there - will be keeping everything crossed for as smooth a ride as possible.

damnitdamnit Thu 25-Oct-12 19:40:44

Hi all, I've not been near this thread in ages, just seen the stats thread in active and it reminded me.

mama it's sounds so hard can't imagine how you are feeling.

Think I'm 17+2 confused today but confused as ratbagcatbag is due the same day as me but is +4 am I working it out wrong? Or just having a moment!

Well dh is away for two nights so I am catching up with my tv and mn.

How strange is this I last saw my midwife about 3 weeks ago and my next appointment is at the end of February!!!! Obviously have a scan in a few weeks but thats it hmm.

JaquelineHyde Thu 25-Oct-12 19:53:06

Mama please do not apologise.

You are having such an awful time and you have been so brave and positive throughout.

You're scared and feeling quite alone I suspect, especially as dh didn't feel able to come with you. Please, please keep talking on here we are all here for you and all more than happy to listen and help anyway we can.

Here have an un Mumsnetty {{{{{HUG}}}} and some thanks

enjay0811 Thu 25-Oct-12 19:57:29

Oh mama big hugs. U sound like your having a bit of a wobble at the moment which is expected but look how far you've got already smile Tht baby is a little fighter! Bit cheeky I know but care to share the sex?! You're the first to find out on this thread and its so exciting! U r an inspiration to many on here, just hang in there. Lots of positive thoughts being sent your way! Xx

HavingALittleFaithBaby Thu 25-Oct-12 21:35:13

mama feel free to vent on here! Hang in there - yes it's going to he tough but you already know this baby is one tough cookie! It's natural to wobble at the best of times, let alone in your circumstances. Hang in there.

bambino I was told to ring and book after my 12 week scan when my dates were more accurate. Receptionist sorted me an appointment,

I am flagging doing 12 hour shifts and being diffed! Still throwing up / lost breakfast while brushing my teeth this morning confused but generally ok.


FlaminNoraImPregnantPanda Thu 25-Oct-12 22:08:48

I have a stupid question, but I need to know blush ...

I'm 12+2 apparantly. So when I'm looking at info on how baby is developing week by week, do I look at week 12 or week 13?

HavingALittleFaithBaby Thu 25-Oct-12 22:10:18

My app shows me the week ahead so I'm 14+2 now but it shows the week 15 info.

FlaminNoraImPregnantPanda Thu 25-Oct-12 22:12:06

Ah, okay thanks.

HavingALittleFaithBaby Thu 25-Oct-12 22:32:38

No probs - not a silly question - I had to check the app to be sure! smile

enjay0811 Thu 25-Oct-12 23:16:15

flamin and littlefaith can I ask which apps ur using? Can anyone recommend any good one's? X

HavingALittleFaithBaby Fri 26-Oct-12 05:49:33

I've got the 'what to expect' app. It's pretty good - gives you daily and weekly updates and a countdown to your due date! smile

Teapig Fri 26-Oct-12 07:30:37

Hang on in there mama. You've come so far and your little baby is clearly made of strong stuff just like his mum. A baby boy, how exciting! I hope you get plenty of support from your family to get you through these tough times and remember we are here for you. Sending you proper unmumsnetty hugs xx

Mama1980 Fri 26-Oct-12 07:57:41

Thank you so much everyone smile you all made me cry with your lovely words. I think it just hit me yesterday, especially as i am cramping but I'm ok today is going to be better. My children came in last night and while ds was his usual self my dd noticed at that id been crying i cant bear to see the worry on her face shes only 14 so smiles from here on in! 17+6 we can do this right? If we can just hold on until Christmas my baby has a real chance. I am having a baby boy grin dd has already sorted a name (not up to me apparently its her brother?!) and he was wriggling like crazy yesterday. Oh lord I'm crying again blush when we get out of here I'm going to send you all chocolate for listening to me!
I hope you are all well? I love reading everyone's good news.

FlaminNoraImPregnantPanda Fri 26-Oct-12 08:26:22

enjay I'm only reading on the BBC Pregnancy Calendar website.

Crazytictac Fri 26-Oct-12 08:31:16

Hi ladies, may I join you? Been lurking for a while but felt a bit shy!

Morning sickness much better but still waiting for the energy part to kick in. I have one very active DS 2.5 years.

Look forward to getting to 'know' you

16+ 0.

shomes Fri 26-Oct-12 10:03:22

oh mama you made me feel like crying with your post too sad i'm glad your staying positive even though it must be horrendously hard to go through all of this.

Last day of term but i really don't feel like going in! Really short of money at the moment and have no idea what i will do for a week with DS when short of funds!!

trying2bpos Fri 26-Oct-12 10:36:11

oh mama congratulations even though some naughty people on here just jumped to the conclusion that you're expecting a boy, it was lovely to see your post, I guess the obvious bit gave it away? Anyway you cry when you want to it won't do you or your baby any harm and remember you are pg so have the perfect hormonal excuse to give to your DD if she notices again! Can you share her name choice with us or is that tmi to give away at the moment? I can't imagine how hard it must be for you at the moment but you're doing great. Try to focus on each day at a time, every day is a day closer to getting a stronger baby boy!

lili86 Fri 26-Oct-12 10:45:04

Hi ladies, been lurking on her for a while and thought it time i joined in!
This is dc2 for us, due 28 april and have a ds 5.5!

trying2bpos Fri 26-Oct-12 10:45:35

Still all full of coughs and colds here, sad and took DS to doctors yesterday thinking they'd just pat me on head and say go away dear it's a cold he'll get over it only to be told they think he has a chest and ear infection! Now I feel like a bad mother for not just knowing! Maybe I did since I took him to dr in first place. Anyway he seems to be doing a bit better now but trying to get penicillin and calpol down him is not proving easy. Tips anyone he's 16mo?

Told my boss yesterday, didn't really mean to but he's quite hard to track down! It was a bit odd though as he was all excited (despite commenting on the small gap between it and DC1- how rude!) he then said he wouldn't mention it to anyone until I was ready to tell people, wonder if that's really true and seemed a bit odd, I mean I wasn't telling him as a friend was I!

somewhere yes I should pop over to the 40s thread but I can barely keep up with this one and it's nice to chat with people (of all ages) at the same stage of pg. Interesting about the ELCS for over 40s, never heard of that before, what's the reasoning behind that.

Welcome newbies and congratulations add yourselves to our stats thread I'll give you the link in a sec, we must be at 100 by now surely!

trying2bpos Fri 26-Oct-12 10:48:25
lili86 Fri 26-Oct-12 11:00:44

poor you trying. Its not easy getting children to take medicine. Ds just had his tonsils/adenoids out and it has been a nightmare! Bribery? grin

mama you are amazing! Hand on in there, your little baby is a real fighter.

trying2bpos Fri 26-Oct-12 11:12:22

Yay lili congratulations I think the 28th was one of the dates in april not covered!

I think DS bit young to understand bribery but will give it a go, it's just hard trying to work out how much has been spat out and whether to give more or not?

Giddypants Fri 26-Oct-12 11:30:37

trying I find a syringe is better than a spoon, put a little bit at a time into the side of the cheek followed by a drink, also distract with a toy or the tv!

mama your doing so well, I think your entitled to a wobble every now and then!

DH has just text me saying he coming out in sympathy pain, and feels pregnant because his back is aching so much he's waddling around! grin

chocoloco12 Fri 26-Oct-12 12:40:39

mama of course you can do it! You and your baby are fighters! I hope today is better for you and no more crying!! I hope your dp can find the strength to be there for you when you need him the most, will he come to your next scan? Bet it was lovely seeing your DCs xxx

I am feeling ok now thank you just nervously awaiting next scan in just over a week!

trying I also use syringe for DD, she's only 11 months though, normally have to pin her and squirt down the side to the back, less chance of spitting it out! Not very nice for them but got to be done! Hope you all feel better soon

notshort think that could be the private place I went to with dd if its not too far and given were at same hospital, in a place KHill? If it is they are really lovely there and spend ages looking at baby! Hope you have a lovely holiday xxx

birdbrain we are also not finding out, same theory as you! Secretly hoping for another girl only because it would be easier, have so much pink stuff, and wouldn't know what to do with a boy! Sounds silly I know! Hope you're feeling better now

Thank you for all the messages after my scan, Not sure if I've caught up with everyone but I hope you're all ok, and tiredness and sickness is fading away xxx

15+2 I think!!

kellestar Fri 26-Oct-12 12:44:46

trying a syringe is much easier. We moved over to boots own paracetemol suspension, it comes with a syringe and has a neck that fits snug to dose. It works just as well as calpol imo. Penicillin is vile stuff even with the flavouring, I can recommend a nice drink after, I used to like a mixed fruit juice [or Sunny D]. I have had tonsilitus so much when I was younger [and still do] that I still never got used to the taste, but always had something straight after to take the taste away. Also Icelollies are a good way to get fluid into him if he's not drinking, also good at cooling them down a bit if there temp is up.

giddy my BiL had sympathy symptoms including, nausea, stretching pains and a craving for pork pies. hmm grin

I can say that our local Sainsbury's customer service is much more lacking than the local tesco. I fainted [again] and they got me a chair to sit in the aisle and that was it, no-one checked on me, felt a bit of a hindrance as the aisles are narrow and people passing me stopped to ask if I'm okay. Managed to get a loaf of bread and a pack of bacon in my basket before I keeled over. I'd been into town and had a zillion tasks to do, walked back up the hill to sainsbury's, popped in, fainted, had to walk back up the hill to my car parking space and load up.

At Tesco they took me to the staff room, made me a cup of tea, entertained DD, got me a sandwich [free] and beeeped my shopping through and packed it, had to pay for it [which I expected] and then they went and helped me out to the car and loaded my shopping in.

I'm now on the sofa with marmite toast and ovaltine. DD also had me up at 3am so I'm shattered. She won't even go down for a nap. I am shattered.

chocoloco12 Fri 26-Oct-12 12:54:22

kelle that's terrible to just leave you in the aisle! Stick to tescos from now on! How old is DD? Hope you manage to get some rest at some point, poor you, on the up side you've got marmite on toast!(we have run out!!)

birdbrain17 Fri 26-Oct-12 13:33:35

choco thanks for asking I'm feeling much better today. I think out of the whole day it's the first I've felt slightly normal!

mama thanks for keeping us updated I'm really thinking of you a lot. Christmas really isn't that long away those of us not stuck in hospital probably realise that more then you because of all the shops and adverts but just look around online it's really soon....

Anybody else driving DH crazy with food moods, I'm never in the mood for normal meals at normal times and last night I didn't want anything for supper apart from chips and we didn't have any, he was trying to suggest alternatives (there isn't anything if that's what you want that's what you want!) and eventually when I was nearly in tears he agreed to go shopping to find me some chips (while he had pasta...). I'm not having random cravings just once I've thought of something I'm not happy till I've eaten it!!!!grin

kellestar Fri 26-Oct-12 13:58:32

Birdbrain I know what you mean! I really really fancy a pizza from pizza hut, but nearest is in Bristol, at least an hour away envy. Marmite on most things makes me happy.

choco she's 22 months of cheeky madam. Currently showing no signs of slowing down. DH will be home soon, he couldn't sleep without me warming him. grin nice to know I have a purpose.

Sobbing while watching OBEM, the baby isn't even out yet. It's on Really 1-2pm, re-runs, but still great to watch.

kellestar Fri 26-Oct-12 15:35:31

Really shouldn't watch man v food. Glazed donuts in a burger with bacon. I am drooling. This programe makes me hungry.

usernamegoeshere Fri 26-Oct-12 15:37:22

Trying he might be a bit young still for this one but if he has a favourite teddy you can try teddy being unwell & letting your son think about how to make him better, & give the teddy some medicine.

Kelle I'm surprised you haven't switched to having your shopping delivered!

Anyone else with lower back ache? I have always been prone to it but it seems like every time I have a busy day now I end up aching & sore.

trying2bpos Fri 26-Oct-12 15:52:20

Thanks for all the advice re: medicine delivery, I gave up using a spoon pretty quickly but now even the sight of the bottle and he's shaking his head, he took the first few doses fine. Now is howling like a banshee and I feel awful! Something nice after is a good idea but since he's not really eating or drinking much at the moment that will be tricky. Like the idea of ice lolly though kelle, hmm like the thought of having one myself too!

kelle I was thinking the very same as username getting it delivered could help. Is there a reason for the fainting that I've missed? You've had your bp checked and everything? I know some people get more prone to it when pg than others. Does snacking or sipping a sweet drink whilst shopping help at all?

birdbrain choco still don't think we'll find out and like your reasons for not finding out too.

kellestar Fri 26-Oct-12 17:16:29

trying & username i think i might, it's literally a 2 minute drive, about half a mile really and I feel silly having it delivered but at least can use my bump as an excuse. I used to have deliveries until DD was 6 months.

Blood pressure is fine, no anameia. Just tired by the time I'm nearly done, DD drinks all my juice and ends up eating my snacks too just to keep her quiet smile The big shops in Frome have cafes (or maccyD) nearby so can stop for a snack before shopping.

lutrinae Fri 26-Oct-12 19:11:03

Um, so I don't usually post on forums but I guess I'm feeling a little lonely as I don't really have any close friends who are pregnant or have babies. Am 16 weeks, due on 7th April.
(Anyone else similar and live in East London, incidentally?)

Can't say I've been enjoying pregnancy. Had pretty bad sickness and heartburn which are easing off a bit now (I hope!) Woke up this morning with a pain all down my left side. Oh the weirdness that becomes 'normal' in pregnancy!
Roll on 20 week scan.

So, I guess a big 'hello!' to all you April ladies.

From the girl who sits in her office eating pastries all day, and who her colleagues consequently probably think she has an eating problem.

Trishstar Fri 26-Oct-12 19:42:47

Hi everyone just had my letter about the downs screening and it says our chances are not at increased risk and its a 1 in 20000 chance.

Very happy! It would have changed my mind about having this baby but I'm still relieved!


Mama1980 Fri 26-Oct-12 20:05:10

Kellestar- you made me hungry with all your food talk! I've actually managed to eat a tuna sandwich!!!!!not very exciting but wow it feels good to have food stay in my stomach. Thank you!
Thanks everyone else and welcome to the newbies I will do a proper catch up tomorrow. Feeling much better today though. smile

bext Fri 26-Oct-12 20:11:57

Well done on the tuna sandwich mama grin

And hi lutrinae. I'm not normally a big poster but in a similar situation. Lots of friends who have had kids but who are all a bit "been there done that" so it's nice to have other women who are as confused and bemused as us.
I'm south London and 13+3 so a bit behind you.

But I know what you mean about office eating - I got some very odd looks as I walked back from the microwave at 4pm yesterday with a big bowl of steamed broccoli!! (trying desperately to eat healthy stuff and weirdly actually wanting lots of green veg).

So welcome - we're all in the same boat smile

EssexWelsh Fri 26-Oct-12 23:36:39

Hi lutrinae exactly the same, nearly 17 weeks, due 6th April and I work in Walthamstow, live in Essex, so we can be East London buddies!

Good to have you in the gang grin

Teapig Sat 27-Oct-12 07:19:04

Welcome lutrinae. I moved out of east London to Essex recently, I have a lot of love for east London and still miss living there a bit but I work there just can't go out boozing like used to.

My stupid body clock woke me up at 6am, the time I usually wake up in the week. Having listened to DH's snoring for an hour I've given up on sleep and turned to a bit of MNetting.

Thinking of getting some maternity jeans today. Seems a bit early but none of my jeans fit. Any recommendations on under Vs over bump? Which is more comfortable? Do you have to be further along for over bump?

Mama1980 Sat 27-Oct-12 07:35:04

Morning All no sleep here but otherwise good. Fingers crossed for another tuna sandwich today. smile on the negative side I just saw myself in the mirror I look impressively awful! Nurse has promised she will help me wash my hair somehow- it's gonna be fun (not allowed a bath or shower) so wish us luck.
Teapig: with 1st pregnancy I found over bump much more comfortable (never got beyond 26 weeks though so not sure how they stretch later on) the ones that had soft elasticated material at the top were lovely. I think I got them from h and m last time but not sure. My brother that's also this bought me in some lovely thick leggings that come very high again from h and m they are heavenly. I seem to remember the tops from mother care were very good and you could wear them ages as they worked for Breast feeding as well. Enjoy your shopping!grin

Giddypants Sat 27-Oct-12 07:35:41

Morning ladies, we have snow!!!

I went out on a leaving doo last night, meal then drinks if you wanted, have just read on Facebook that people are only just getting in! Only stayed for the meal, veg lasagne it was yummy!
I must be getting old because I wasn't in the slightest interested about staying out especially with the artic wind.

I have 4 hours travelling ahead of me today, my uncle is getting married tomorrow.

Welcome lutrinae we're in Yorkshire but my mum was from London Norwood area, but not been there for years.

Mama1980 Sat 27-Oct-12 07:37:09

Morning giddypants-snow!!! I'm in London so hoping it doesn't get this far down. I hate the cold. Hope you enjoyed your night out? Travel safe today x

Giddypants Sat 27-Oct-12 08:18:16

Will do mama thank you x free wifi in the hotel so can keep upto date! grin

LikeCandy Sat 27-Oct-12 08:27:59

Good morning ladies!
Welcome lutrinae, I think you may be the 101st member of 'Team April'!
mama so good to hear you're feeling a bit better!
trishstar congrats on the results!
kelle treat yourself gently for a while! I think I'd have been shopping online after the first faint, let alone two!
Sorry if I missed anyone else's news, so much to catch up on!

This week I definitely have a decent bump, but I'm also still expanding more to the sides. I've lost the little bit of 'hour glass' shape I had, I'm straight up and down at the sides with a bump on the front!! Skin and hair still bad, and (I hope this isn't just me...) I seem to be getting rather hairy?! My head hair isn't getting any thicker that I can tell but my eyebrows/arms etc are looking rather luxuriant!
I can't wait to glow - at the moment I am still gross!

Have a lovely weekend all, keep warm!!


bext Sat 27-Oct-12 08:31:43

teapig I got a pair from H&M last week. Over bump which feels a bit daft without a bump but they're so comfy. £25 skinny style (I've never fitted skinny jeans before)
Elastic waistbands rock! grin

wishfulthinking1 Sat 27-Oct-12 08:40:00

I'm so glad you mentioned body hair. My eyebrows have gone haywire! Quite literally- they do look like a cross between hay and wire! And they've started growing up! I look like some sort of Neanderthal! (I may be exaggerating for effect- but they're seriously not themselves!!)

There's been a spate of fb pregnancy announcements over the half term week- it seems everyone I used to go to school with is having a baby!

How's anyone getting on feeling flutters? I'm pretty sure I haven't felt anything yet, but I've just had wind- mw said I've probably felt something, just didn't know it was the baby. I get occasional 'uncomfortable pinches' in the right place over the last few days - but wouldn't describe it as flutters. What about the rest of you?

itsaruddygame Sat 27-Oct-12 10:19:27

Teapig - I second h&m over bump skinny jeans. Not much bump yet here but they are very comfy and a bargain price of £15!

Mama - glad you are doing ok today. Good luck with the hair - sounds like a mare trying to get that done! grin

I am off to a talk by Clare balding this afternoon - about her autobiography which I enjoyed reading. If u like horses, dogs and or reading about eccentric families I highly recommend it!!

HavingALittleFaithBaby Sat 27-Oct-12 10:36:02

I'm currently wearing maternity jeans my sister has given/lent me - currently Next under bump are most comfy and practical. I've only been in them for a week though!

Gosh I was so tired this morning, I slept til 10! smile I guess I did work 24 hours in 36! Fortunately I have a quiet Saturday planned. I may pop to Dunelm Mill to buy a new cross stitch. I'm so very rock'n'roll!

Ooh Clare Balding - bets that's interesting ruddygame, have fun!

Welcome to lutrainie


MumofWombat Sat 27-Oct-12 10:49:09

I'd be stupidly excited about snow. It's been 35 degrees here today and I am melting!
Trying - DS has medicine 3 times a day since he was a day old. We always use a syringe, and luckily he is awesome about taking it. Occasionally he plays up, and we find leaving it for half an hour, distracting him with something else, and then he takes it.
Mama - lovely news that you are having a boy! I often find myself thinking of you, it sounds like he is a fighter like you. Been there got the t-shirt for spending time in NICU, whilst its amazing the care they give to little ones, the trauma for parents can't be underestimated. If I'm honest, I'm not over it yet (I went back to the hospital where I had DS and got given his diagnosis and prognosis for antenatal appt, and walking in I couldn't stop shaking an I cried.

But what I wanted to announce is that I have finally got some Camembert and crusty bread and I'm looking forward to a feast! I'm trying to decide if I'll share it with DH or not....

17 weeks today.

Giddypants Sat 27-Oct-12 16:05:47

wombat totally agree with the NICU description, great place, but also awful and scary.

We're here in Southampton, just checked into the west quay premier inn, which I must say is quite nice, going to have a quick freshen up and have a gander around John Lewis (across the road) we don't have a JL near us so I'm getting giddy! <doesn't get out much> lol

Crazytictac Sat 27-Oct-12 19:49:40

wishfulthinking I've been on flutter watch for the last 2 weeks now but alas nothing yet. With my DS they started off as tiny little feathery feelings, almost nothing at all at first. Such a magical feeling when you feel your baby though and realise it's not wind smile

A few people have commented that bump is starting to show now, think it is mostly fat though tbh. Can't stop snacking on savoury stuff.

Anybody else getting a blocked nose a lot?

birdbrain17 Sat 27-Oct-12 19:56:03

mama have you tried dry shampoo, I've used it before when I've been travelling or unwell it doesn't make your head feel as nice and clean but it at least makes it look clean!

Anybody else in north london think this wind is just horrific! I don't mind cold weather because you can just dress warmly but the wind in your face is horrible!!!!!!

Crazytictac Sat 27-Oct-12 20:03:52

Oh mama forgot to say that I'm sure I've read that talc can be used as a sort of emergency hair fixer but prob not the most comfortable and you'd have a steady hand to not to end up looking like a ghost. Sorry to read about your troubles so far

HavingALittleFaithBaby Sat 27-Oct-12 20:14:22

mama I hope you got that hair wash! Batiste is good for in between washes and it's worth asking if they have shampoo shower caps - we have them at work - you microwave them - they're like shower caps with shampoo on the inside and will really freshen up your hair! smile

bunnygirl80 Sat 27-Oct-12 22:11:45

teapig I've got over bump maternity jeans. I tried both under and over bump when I was pg with DS, and I never managed to find a pair of under bump ones that fit. Over bump are nice and snuggly for winter too because you've got a lovely extra layer covering your middle!

mumtowombat I'm hoping for snow when we go back to the UK next month. I think we've been Oz for long enough now that I've got a slightly romanticized view of the stuff instead of remembering the reality of it just being cold and wet stuff that causes the country to grind to a halt. DS has got some sort of weird obsession with snowmen at the moment too so it would be nice for him to see a real one grin Hope you're coping ok with the heat, we've had a few 35 degree days here, and I've really struggled, it just makes me feel tireder and sicker than I already generally do

bext Sat 27-Oct-12 23:37:11

crazytictac yes! So glad you mentioned that, thought it was me.

Every morning I wake up feeling like someone's filled my nose and mouth with cement. (TMI?!)

FlaminNoraImPregnantPanda Sun 28-Oct-12 06:23:23

Nobody told me the clocks went back. It's -5 out and I'm already up and dressed for church. <wails>

Mama1980 Sun 28-Oct-12 07:12:57

Morning all,
Oh no flamingnora-I hate it when that happens hope you stay warm.
Thanks to everyone who offered advice about my hair wash, I hadn't heard of any of those things am going to ask today about the shower caps. They managed to dampen my hair, not sure how clean it is but feels better at least. My nausea returned with yesterday but I also got to see my children which was amazing. I have A friend coming in today which will be lovely.
I'm feeling quite a lot of wriggly movement now is anyone else?
I will do a proper catch up later.
Hope everyone stays warm and is well smile

Teapig Sun 28-Oct-12 07:58:28

Thanks so much for all the jeans advice ladies. We ended up having a family get together yesterday so I'm jeans shopping today - h&m here I come.

On the subject of hair growth does anyone know if lady garden waxing is ok while pg? Sorry if tmi but usually have a Brazilian done in waxing parlour but not sure if that is ok or not during pg?

kellestar Sun 28-Oct-12 10:11:08

Teapig it may really hurt, because of tge increased blood flow down there the pain can be rather bad.

JoRich77 Sun 28-Oct-12 13:25:17

Teapig, the thought of waxing makes me cringe. Am planning on using veet down there to tidy things up- not sure if I should be concerned about the chemicals?

Is so cold and miserable here in Surrey today and I have a manky cold to boot. Have given myself permission to go back to bed for a few hours, at least it is nice and warm here. For the cold warm honey and lemon seems to help if anyone else is suffering.

Not really needing maternity clothes yet but have gone crazy buying stuff on eBay.

Yesterday I told myself I really should start doing pelvic floor exercises religiously as I coughed and had small leakage and haven't even had a baby yet!


jj247 Sun 28-Oct-12 14:01:03

Thanks to bext and itsaruddygame for recommending H&M jeans, just been online and they have the over bump skinny ones in their sale for £12.95, worth a try smile.

I have a pair of topshop underbump bootcut jeans (£3.50 from ebay!) and they fit really well, but think it will be nice to keep bump warm as the weather gets colder. Can't believe how big bump is already and I'm only 14+5, I'll be the size of a house at this rate! Boobs still haven't grown though, so I think I'm destined to always be flatchested!

jj247 Sun 28-Oct-12 14:04:03

oh and JoRich77 I looked up the "veet in pregnancy" on google as I'm also afraid of the pain of waxing and according to the Veet site they say it is safe to use in pregnancy which I'm fairly sure they wouldn't say unless they were 100% confident about it as they would be afraid of litigation... no excuse for me to be lazy now! ;)

Can I join in? Pg with dc5 and not a bump in sight! Meh!!! Due 3rd april but might well be early as have had induction early before due to pre eclampsia and iugr.

Have lurked lots but too superstitious to post before now! 17plus four

tattooedapril87 Sun 28-Oct-12 19:21:58

welcome mammoth! hope everything with you is going well

I've been pretty miserable all weekend- started on Friday and sat with a really low achy belly ache- which i know is from the strtching..
but now all day today I've had a bad stitch down one of my sides- its so uncomfortable! at the mo Google is my best friend so i know this is stretching aches and pains too but its so uncomfy and im finding it difficult to breath!

anyone else getting these aches yet? i know im guna need extra strtching as first pg and twins but its making me so uncomfy!

15+5 (with small bump already)

SneezySnatcher Sun 28-Oct-12 19:44:05

Hello. Happy half-term (finally)! Tatooed Very uncomfortable here. My bump seems to have popped out and my stomach feels stretched. Lovely ligament pains if I move suddenly too! Remember this with DD (though not as early).

Never mind, at least I have A WEEK OFF!!!! I'm considering stopping work at Feb half-term, so that means I only have two more HTs to do (I actually love work but I'm tired already)!


JessieEssex Sun 28-Oct-12 20:40:24

I have ligament pains too. Was out with a friend this morning and stood up too quickly and twisted round - OUCH!!

Welcome to all the newbies - I can't believe how many of us there are! I looked at the March thread (as I'm officially due then..) and there are about 1/3 the amount...

18+0 (yippee!)

HavingALittleFaithBaby Sun 28-Oct-12 22:01:01

I'm getting ligament pains too! Especially towards the end of a long shift at work. I find it odd it figure its just my body stretching out to make room.

I'm struggling a bit with the change in body images I've always struggled with my weight and it seems strange to know I'm just going to keep growing! I think it'll be easier once I'm bigger, I'm only 14+5 and just feel fat! confused

bunnygirl80 Sun 28-Oct-12 23:29:40

teapig waxing is fine during pg, some people find it more tender than when not pg, but I had no probs when I was pg with DS. One good thing about being pg is that I don't need to shave legs/wax bikini line as often.....good thing really as in the latter stages its hard to see either of them grin

My pelvis is getting really painful now, to the point where I can't walk far without then being in agony the next day. Have booked to see a physio next week, so hopefully they can sort me out

Teapig Mon 29-Oct-12 07:34:33

Thanks for the advice on waxing ladies. Now just go to decide whether I can take the potential increased pain or whether I go for Veet.

Feeling very un-pg at the moment although I have a bump and bigger boobs. Hoping 16 week appointment will give me some reassurance.


EssexWelsh Mon 29-Oct-12 08:15:15

Having I feel exactly the same, have a definite little bump but surrounded by fat so just feel huge! Went to a wedding Saturday and obviously lots of photos taken, I was feeling fine with how I looked til I saw a photo and it did really upset me, it was obvious I thought I looked hideous but my DP and friend were don't be silly you're pregnant not fat, but I know I have just spent the last 5 weeks since not being sick totally indulging now just feel uncomfortably big, only 5'2" so feel any extra weight and doesn't help as people already keep wanted to touch my tummy! I want to just karate chop their hands away!

Anyway enough with the vanity post, just wanted to vent as in RL everyone telling me to stop being silly, am happy at least all appears healthy at the mo and it is half term so need to get my happy on! grin

EssexWelsh Mon 29-Oct-12 08:16:18


EmpressMatilda Mon 29-Oct-12 11:21:28

essex You have my sympathy. People just don't get that you may feel a certain way about yourself that is different from what they see. I think they are probably just trying to reassure you though. And it is so hard to keep the weight off when your body is just telling you to 'eat, eat, eat'! I don't weigh myself anymore.

I am always either complaining that I feel fat and unattractive (when my bump's around) or worrying that something's wrong (when the bump does its hiding act). DH keeps unhelpfully pointing out how irrational I'm being. I know it's irrational but I feel it anyway!!! He needs to get that!

The last week been feeling OK except for tiredness and stretching pains. Until yesterday anyway. Then I developed a nasty headache and the nausea came back. Totally unexpected. I went to see the Bond film with DH and had to leave twice during it to go and throw up. Then came home and had simultaneous vomiting and nose bleed! I actually did start laughing because it was so mad! Today I am a lot better though the headache is still rumbling around.

Does anyone else have a 'disappearing bump'? Some days there's a pretty big bump to the point where people have started noticing, even through baggy clothing. When the bump is around I feel kind of fat and strange and I can feel it stretching but at the same time I feel kind of proud and reassured, that the baby is in there and growing.

Then sometimes, especially if I wake up to find I've been sleeping on my back again (I try my side but end up shifting in my sleep), the bump is almost completely gone. Then I get really upset and want it back! I think I have started to feel flutterings though. That makes me feel better!

Well, I guess this is all pretty trivial really but it feels better to have written in down and shared it!


BonaDea Mon 29-Oct-12 11:50:49

Morning ladies! Going to join in the moaning...

Ligament pain - ouch. Whenever I sneeze or move suddenly it really hurts! The last week or so I've also had a shooting pain down one side of my lower back and into my backside on the left (sorry TMI!) which having done some googling looks to be much the same. Hips having trouble staying aligned. I think I'm going to invest in one of those long pillow thingies. Spoke to my GP who was pretty useless so will ask MW next week when I see her instead in case there is something specific I can be doing (hope the GP would give me a physio referral as I have BUPA coverage anyway, but no such luck!).

Am also desperate to feel movement but none yet. Anyone else having DC1 already feeling it?

My bump is definitely a bump now, but like a few others above I'm suddenly worried about ending up huge. I've spent the last two months desperate to show to make it feel real and now I'm wondering whether that was the wrong thing to wish for!


Crazytictac Mon 29-Oct-12 11:56:06

empress I've been thinking the exact same thing about my vanishing bump. I swear some days, especially by early evening I look full term but then other days hardly anything appears to be there. When I wake up in the morning, my stomach seems flat. I get bump envy when I see heavily pregnant ladies! Hope your headache shifts soon.

Had my blood tests for downs today at the hospital (don't get the nuchal test here unless you pay private!) and the midwife was lovely and got the little Doppler out to listen to the heartbeat as I told her my DS had kicked me in the stomach mid tantrum frenzy last night. Haven't been contacted by community midwife yet!

Hope everyone else is ok

16 + 3

usernamegoeshere Mon 29-Oct-12 12:36:21

I had my quad test results today in post (was really fast only last Tuesday they took the blood) my risk is low (one in 50,000) so very happy about that.

I have lots of random weird pains, my rule of thumb is general discomfort pretty much constantly is probably normal as long as its not so bad it stops me doing stuff or I need regular paracetamol.

Midwife this afternoon! My first appointment, I hope I get to hear heartbeat.


birdbrain17 Mon 29-Oct-12 12:40:02

empress I also have a disappearing bump, some days DH can't tell me enough how big it looks but then last week when I wasn't well and spent the day lying down in bed it disappeared for a couple of days...

Bonadea I'm having dc1 the midwife told me my placenta is at the front so don't get worried if I don't feel movements for another few weeks yet but I'm convinced last night I could feel movement it felt like my tummy was grumbling but it wasn't because I wasn't hungry!

and I thought I was the only one with crippling stretching pains, sometimes I'm fine for ages and then I'll stand up too quickly or bend down to get something and I get a sharp pain all the way across my stomach, I'm not worried because apparently it's normal but it's really painful shock I suppose this doesn't get better because the baby is only getting bigger?!

JessieEssex Mon 29-Oct-12 13:15:54

I'm getting loads of movement now, although this is DC2 so things are pre-stretched! I actually felt a few kicks with my hand last night rather than just internally iyswim, but DH has yet to get lucky. I remember that with DD, as soon as DH approached my tummy to feel a kick, she would stop and lie still. He began to think I was making it all up...

JessieEssex Mon 29-Oct-12 13:16:17

Whoops, 18+1

angeltattoo Mon 29-Oct-12 13:22:44

Hi everyone,

Just back from 16 week appt, heard the HB for the first time, it was amazing!

4 weeks and 2 days until the 20 week scan, it cannot come quick enough!

16 + 3

Missmuffet28 Mon 29-Oct-12 13:40:48

Hello all haven't been around lately not sure why! Just not enough time in the day for sleepy pregnant ladies I guess! Hope everyone is well, I'm gonna head to bed and have a catch up after a really busy morning at work! My feet are killing!
angeltattoo saw u just had your 16wk appt glad it went well I have mine tomorrow afternoon!! I reeeeally hope I get to hear heartbeat too!!

BonaDea Mon 29-Oct-12 14:58:31

angel - yeah! Best sound in the world, right?

Missmuffet - I first heard it at 15+5 I think. MW went into the big speech about how it was still early to hear it and she might not find it straight away and I shouldn't panic. Then of course she just touched the doppler to my stomach and immediately found it - thumpedy thumpedy thump then DOOF as s/he kicked the doppler. Have fun, you'll enjoy it grin.

Trishstar Mon 29-Oct-12 15:11:01

15+6 and just came out of first midwife appt. bit disappointed tbh. I felt it was a very impersonal experience. No mention of trying to find the heartbeat I had to ask!!! And the MW says they don't normally try to find it til 25 weeks. She offered to anyway and I got the whole speech about if she didn't find the HB they won't send me for another scan!!!

I have a Doppler for at home but just wanted the MW to find it too, she did straight away. It took all of 5 seconds!!!!

Had the flu jab too.

Anyways sorry for the moan ladies xxx

angeltattoo Mon 29-Oct-12 16:32:17

Yay Trishstar!

Missmuffet, she told me that she might not be able to find it, and if ever she can't, she sends ladies straight to the day unit for a scan, just for reassurance...which I thought was great. So depending on where you live, this might be an option? That said, she heard it no problem. Baby was darting about, so she had to chase it a bit, but HB was definitely heard.

And as Bonadea said, it was the best sound ever! i cried

And as above, some days I have a definite bump, other days, nothing!

Nuttyfilly Mon 29-Oct-12 17:11:44

Hello everyone! I'm 15 weeks and been having a terrible case of restless leg! Thankfully found the cure, bananas,
Hope everyone is ok, I best go get the cows milked be back soon x

Missmuffet28 Mon 29-Oct-12 17:57:18

Oh what a lovely midwife team it seems you have angeltattoo shame yours wasn't a similar experience trish maybe kick some butt next time you go even though you shouldn't have to x

Well I got in bed had a nap and have woken with the dreaded stinking cold I didn't even see it coming sad I woke with a fever dp came home with tissues and vapour rub which I think is safe to use? Anyone know any different? And he bought me up a cup of tea and some paracetamol which i didn't even get to take before I ran to the toilet to vomit sad I haven't actually vomitted yet during pregnancy so I hope it's not a bug of some sort and just the feverish part of my cold coming out even tho I don't usually get that symptom I'm now waiting for paracetamol to kick in so I can go eat!!

Missmuffet28 Mon 29-Oct-12 18:01:22

Oh and I'm sure I felt some fluttering going on today I'm not 100% but it felt really different to the normal popping and twitching down there smile


lutrinae Mon 29-Oct-12 19:29:32

Thanks for the lovely welcome everyone! Sorry about the delay in replying, I don't get on the internet too much.
I currently live in Hackney but we're moving to Walthamstow at end of Nov, looking forward to it but will miss it round here. Need a bigger place though.

Have spent the afternoon/evening so far feeling thoroughly sick. Not happy. 17 weeks today, when will the bloody nausea leeeeave?!

Got to have a nice 'telling a close friend who lives far away' phone conversation though, and she always makes me laugh. She was trying to get me to call the baby Gary, her favourite comedy name.

I totally get disappearing bump. Now you see it, now it just looks like I had a few too many cakes (which I did).

I admire anyone who can eat healthily. Although I have craved an apple a day since quite early one, which is unusual for me. Sadly it will NOT keep the doctor away!

tattooedapril87 Mon 29-Oct-12 21:13:22

hey ladies- what lotions and potions are you rubbing into belly to help prevent stretch marks?

at mo im using palmers stretch mark cream twice a day and bio oil once a day but im open to other suggestions if anyone knows of a secret miracle worker?!

FlaminNoraImPregnantPanda Mon 29-Oct-12 21:33:32

Nothing, not worried about stretch marks at all. They're like badges of honour.

Missmuffet28 Mon 29-Oct-12 21:39:32

I didn't use anything last time round but didnt have a very big bump and didnt get any stretch marks on my tummy except one little one that stems from my belly button piercing, my boobs, bum and top of thighs however didnt escape, as my bump is already
Had to stop half way they run and vomit sad
Getting big so will def use something this time round probably start with palmers maybe some bio oil if it gets tight, I know bio oil works very well for scars if you are religious not sure on preventing them tho? X

Bambino29 Mon 29-Oct-12 22:13:55

I'm using Mama Bee's Belly Butter which is lovely, although a dermatologist friend said there's pretty much nothing you can do to prevent stretch marks as it's all in the genes.

Have my 16 week m/w appointment on Wednesday - no idea what to expect. Only reason I hav an appointment is because I'd seen you all talk about yours so rang my surgery! Did you have to take any samples or anything? What actually happened at the appointment? Hoping they will let me hear hb as sounds exciting!

lutrinae - totally understand about the not being able to eat healthily thing - am forcing down as much fruit & veg as I can stomach but the only things which don't make me nauseus are very bland carb-loaded things like crisps or bread!

usernamegoeshere Mon 29-Oct-12 22:22:07

I had booking in + 16 weeks appt in one. I got to hear the heartbeat which I was pleased about.

I have to see consultant as I had an operation on my back a few years ago, but apparently that just routine & it will be one off. Otherwise not seeing midwife again till 28 weeks now.

Tattoo I'm not using anything yet, but I heard nice things about Burts Bees one.

bunnygirl80 Tue 30-Oct-12 01:38:06

tattoo I used body shop Shea butter on my belly when I was pg with DS and I didn't get a single stretch mark. I was surprised as I have them on my hips from when I hit puberty, and as they're meant to be genetic I just assumed I'd get them. Don't know if it was the body lotion or just luck that saved me though!

LikeCandy Tue 30-Oct-12 07:16:54

tattoo everything I've read suggested stretch marks are genetic, no amount of moisturising will prevent them!
Saying that I am using a belly oil (when I remember!) but crossing my fingers that the above is true as my Mum has none after 2 kids!

aufaniae Tue 30-Oct-12 07:24:53

lutrinae I was in hackney just yesterday! (visiting my patents). Are you going to the Homerton? While I was pregnant I felt very well looked after by them. They picked up on a problem I have a feeling other places might have missed (just a hunch mind, but they were very thorough.)

BonaDea I am having hip problems too. Do yours hurt if you walk too much? I'm going to see the Dr.

aufaniae Tue 30-Oct-12 07:27:42

I meant the last time I was pregnant, just in case that wasn't clear!

leluella Tue 30-Oct-12 08:48:34

Tattoo I've started using Palmer belly butter which is lovely and only about £5, as a few people have said I think whether you get stretch marks are not is all in the genes but I think using a little pit of something can only help!

P'eed off that my morning sickness has returned this morning. The last 5 weeks have been bliss - no sickness and loads of energy then last night exhausted and sick this morning..hope its onlt a temporary thing.


Teapig Tue 30-Oct-12 10:04:10

Lutrinae I lived in Hackney for three years before moving to Walthamstow because we couldn't afford to buy in Hackney. I loved the 'Stow and still miss it, great places to eat on Orford Road and the Castle is a great pub and baby friendly. We only moved as we decided to be closer to family.

Just had my 16 week appointmrnt, it only lasted 10 mins but I can't complain as I got to hear a heart beat, so, so happy grin

I'd been having a freak out as I haven't had any symptomms really and tiredness has lifted a bit so it feels amazing to know that everything is still ok.

Thanks for the lotion advice I'm goimg to stock up.


somewherebecomingrain Tue 30-Oct-12 10:10:30

I know i'm about 10 pages too late but just wanted to chip in on the Sleeping on Left Side or Right Side debate.

My undersatnding is there is some vein on the right side - the vena cava or something - that supplies the baby and if you sleep on that side when heavily PG (not now) you can block the blood flow. So in 3rd trimester you should sleep on your left.

i religiously slept on my left during last PG trimester 3 and ended up with a really wierd muscular problem - all stretched on one side and all tight on the other. even my right hand was affected - i got tendonitis cause everything had contracted (so i believe, my GP was dubious).

i mentioned the theory of the vena cava to the midwife and she looked at me like i was mad.

i will look into it with Dr Google


kellestar Tue 30-Oct-12 10:57:57

Teapig I love Bio Oil, the smell is really relaxing to me. I've had a pot for a few years, I have stretch marks on my hips and thighs and used it to lighten their appearance and thought it did a good job. I got a few on my bump last time, just by belly button, were tiny but sore. The Bio Oil helped relieve that stretching pain. I still use it on my middle, boobs, hip and thighs after a nice shower.

A close friend had never had a stretch mark in her life, I've had them since puberty, but her bump was really badly covered in stretch marks and no amount of lotion helped, her baby is 8 months and they are just starting to fade. Her mum didn't have them at all.

It's just luck of the draw. Decided to buy some more maternity jeans, over bump, failing miserably. Wanting a 20S [or Reg] bootcut [can't do skinny with my thighs and calves] but they are out of stock everywhere. 18 is just too small. I'm trying to bid on some on eBay and they are going for more than they are new. I get annoyed at Mothercare, Mamas and Papas and JoJo don't do anything larger than an 18. H&M are a little bit tight on me. Just going to live in the one pair I have got. I only wore my underbump for a little while, I found the were pushing uncomfortably on my belly and hips, certainly less hip pain now I've gone overbump.

Still lots of achey pains across my tummy. But no actual bump popping out. I can feel the fundus when lying down and it has moved up, but it's shifted all the extra weight up, so I've got an odd looking tummy. Can't remember the discomfort of the stretching like this last time.

kellestar Tue 30-Oct-12 10:58:18


somewherebecomingrain Tue 30-Oct-12 10:58:19

yes Dr Google says there is, if i have got my maths right, a 0.0093 per cent increased chance of stillbirth if you sleep on your right.

if you want the link let me know - it sounds like just another thing to worry about!

JessieEssex Tue 30-Oct-12 11:09:19

I didn't get any stretchmarks with my first pregnancy, and while I did (and do again now) smother my tummy in creams and oils, I'm sure it's genetic, as my mum (3 pregnancies) and sister (2) haven't got any. I'm not risking it though!

On the trousers topic, I bought some over the bump jeggings from New Look at the weekend - really really comfortable (and only 12.99!). I bought a Medium (I'm a 12/14) and they fit really well with no bagging.

18+2 xx

FlaminNoraImPregnantPanda Tue 30-Oct-12 11:32:45

I just read in my baby book that you should get a special teddy type toy and sleep with it for the next few months. Then your scent becomes embedded in it so it comforts baby when baby arrives.

trying2bpos Tue 30-Oct-12 11:33:03

Morning all, Off work again today as although DS much better in himself (thanks for all medicine advice I used all your tips!) he's developed a rash which means he can't go to nursery. It may be a reaction to the penicillin as I'm allergic but can't be sure. He was an absolute terror yesterday, terrible 2s come early or what so I wasn't looking forward to today but he's gone down for a nap now!

Anyway with regards to bump cream, I used a nice sanctuary one that someone bought for me and then one from boots (derma something in BIG pot) as well as some biooil. I was doing fine but then in last two weeks when bump got quick a bit bigger they all came- boo! So I think combination of genes and bump size are the main issues. But why not enjoy massaging your bump anyway and use the time to have a little chat or sing to it at the same time! Bit of extra bonding. I should start doing this too!

My bump seems to like chocolate biscuits, good job really!

FlaminNoraImPregnantPanda Tue 30-Oct-12 11:36:42

I think my bump is going to be Swedish, despite both parents being British. Bump seems to have a total aversion to warmth. It's 5C here at the moment and I've had to turn all the heating off because bump can't stand it (normally I'm getting told off for putting it on too high). Plus bump has a liking for salmon and caviar.

JessieEssex Tue 30-Oct-12 11:40:52

flaminNora I did that with DD1 - she has a little rabbit comforter and when she was born (didn't think to do it beforehand) I used to stuff it in my bra so it was all warm and slightly milky smelling (not as yuck as it sounds!) and then give it to her at bedtime. She still has it now at 26 months old (although I don't have to put it in my bra any more!)

jj247 Tue 30-Oct-12 12:55:12

Joining in with the bumpcream debate, I'm a complete advocate of biooil, I've used it all over for about 4yrs and any scars have greatly reduced in size plus my skin got its spring back (I'm 40, so things had started to go a bit "tissue" like, which is scary, I don't feel that old!)

Just had a call from my haematologist to say he is starting me on twice daily low dose heparin injections from tomorrow, so I'll have to inject myself in the stomach twice a day sad. I hate needles, but I know it is for DC1 benefit so I guess I'll have to man up! Hoping he'll explain quite how I'm going to do it once bump gets big and no "excess" skin is available to inject into though! if anyone else has any experience of injecting themselves it would be great to hear some reassurance...

miarosemum Tue 30-Oct-12 13:17:49

Glad to hear everyone is well and 16 week appointments going well. I had mine today and heard heartbeat, so reassuring! She told me my nxt appointment is at 28 weeks as I miss the 24 week one as this is dc2. This seems like a long time to wait though?

miarosemum Tue 30-Oct-12 13:30:34


JessieEssex Tue 30-Oct-12 13:44:46

Just had my date through for 20 week scan - 14th Nov. Not too long to wait - yippee!

miarose I haven't got a midwife appt until 28 weeks either, although I was told to make a GP appt around 25 weeks. It seems to be different in every health authority. When I was pg with DD, I moved about 5 miles away at 16 weeks, but crossed authority boundaries. EVERYTHING was done differently. So strange...

BonaDea Tue 30-Oct-12 14:17:43

jj247 - I'm diabetic so have to inject myself at least 5 times a day. I also hate needles (oh the irony) but certainly the ones I use are tiny - about 1/2 cm long as they just have to go in under your skin and no further. I've been firmly advised it is completely safe to keep injecting into your stomach as long as you can 'pinch an inch'. I'm also able to inject into thighs, bottom and even upper arms if needed - you should ask your doctor about this, because site rotation is important to ensure absorption of whatever it is your taking.

On creams: I'm using bio-oil. Who knows if it works but I guess it can't do any harm... I've also had a tub of the mama mio tummy cream which was lovely, so might ask Father Christmas for some more of that!

steph2412 Tue 30-Oct-12 14:31:39

Hi all not posted for a while been really busy!i have my 16wk app on thursday and scan in 4 weeks yeah!will feel i can finally relax once i know all is ok with baby.i have a bump now which is strange as i am still 6lbs lighter than pre pg but weight must have gone from legs and bum!anyone else buying anythi.g yet?

FlaminNoraImPregnantPanda Tue 30-Oct-12 15:41:48

I bought a pram last week. It's a bit early yet but we wanted a bugaboo chameleon (because we live in the wilderness and need one that can cope with mountains of snow) which costs around £1800 in this part of the world. There was one for sale on our equivalent of ebay for £400. They don't come up very often as they are not common here so we snapped it up as it's like new.

And I've bought wool and started knitting a Baptism shawl because it'll take me at least 9 months as I'm a rubbish knitter

BonaDea Tue 30-Oct-12 16:25:36

Can't believe the price of Chameleons where you are - is it the moon? grin That is also my pushchair of choice and looking forward to buying it after 20 week scan!

Knitting. Hmm.... Not something I can admit to being able to turn my hand to!

edinfirst Tue 30-Oct-12 16:46:23

Ooooh flaminpanda can we be knitting chums? I bought loads of gorgeous wool and a beautiful blanket pattern but have given up after about 8 rows! There are about a zillion stitches per row and it takes so long to finish a row I get bored. Also I started it when I had MS so now I kind of associate it with feeling queasy? So close to just handing it over to my mum but hate to be defeated-maybe if you let me know how you're getting on with yours it will spur me on (worth a try?)

birdbrain17 Tue 30-Oct-12 17:21:43

Oooh knitting I thought I was crazy so happy to hear other people also want to make stuff for their dc smile I want to do a blanket but haven't got round to buying any wool yet, might get it before the winter hols and then I can stay nice an cosy indoors with something to do.

FlaminNoraImPregnantPanda Tue 30-Oct-12 17:39:53

edin I have the same problem with boredom and knitting. I prefer crochet as it's much quicker to see results. Unfortunately the only pattern I could find suitable for a baptism shawl was a knitting one. I have the pattern on one side, a teach yourself knitting book on the other (because I really am rubbish) and youtube in the middle so I can watch films of how to do it properly grin

I set myself a target of 4 rows a day and do it while watching tv to keep my mind occupied, as I find it becomes fairly automatic once you get into your stride. I feel so exhausted at the moment that it helps me feel a bit useful. IE I've sat on the sofa all day but I haven't done bugger all, I've been working on something special for baby.

HavingALittleFaithBaby Tue 30-Oct-12 18:16:09

I'm trying to knit too! emphasis on trying! but I'm a total novice so currently just trying to master stitches! smile

FlaminNoraImPregnantPanda Tue 30-Oct-12 19:13:19

Once you can do knit and purl it's relatively easy HavingALittleFaithBaby. Everything else is just how you combine these 2. The patterns look like complicated gobbledygook, but that just because it's all abbreviations. Find a list of what they mean online and you're sorted.

HavingALittleFaithBaby Tue 30-Oct-12 19:18:21

Depesite borrowing a book from the library, epic fail on the purl so far! Will YouTube the technique, the book is too vague once I unravel the mess I've made!

Trishstar Tue 30-Oct-12 19:26:09

Steph I'm ordering our pram soon cos there is a great deal on it as a travel system so too good to miss! Going to order it next week or so then choose colour pack for it after 20 week scan on November 27th.


Teapig Tue 30-Oct-12 19:32:25

DH and I went to John Lewis at the weekend to look for household stuff and somehow ended up in the pram department.
It's a whole new world! We liked a couple of three wheelers as they seemed like they would be light and not too wide. This our first time though so any comments for or against that style would be very welcome.

I love the idea of knitting something for baby. Any tips on where to find straight forrward patterns for the absolute beginner?

Crazytictac Tue 30-Oct-12 19:43:50

teapig love John Lewis, could spend hours there! They do lovely nursery furniture too which Im going to have a look at soon. I'm just re using DS' pram which is an Icandy peach which I loved. Dream to push, easy to dismantle etc. It is heavy though and the back wheels are quite wide so doesn't really fit your spec. Not that helpful from me, sorry!

flaminnora good suggestion about the cuddly toy. Am going to try that, thanks.

FlaminNoraImPregnantPanda Tue 30-Oct-12 20:00:47

Teapig I would start with a baby blanket if you're a complete beginner. They're a lot more forgiving than other baby items. You could just knit lots of squares in different pretty colours and then sew them together.

Missmuffet28 Tue 30-Oct-12 20:30:29

Had my 16week appt this afternoon midwife was lovely she popped me straight on bed to find heart beat, took her a while an after a few mins said dont worry sometimes at this stage it can be hard to find at which point I was panicking think she saw it in my face so dug a bit deeper and there it was clear as day about 150bp, glad it seemed baby has moved up as now I can claim my bump is some baby and not all biscuits grin

It seems I won't get flu jab unless I ask she Said they were doing them today but after having a fever for the lat 24hrs and puking like a lord I figured it'd be better off waiting a week or two!

Asked in the pharmacy today if vapour rub is safe to use she said only a tiny amount sad I was enjoying sniffing on that too!

Knitting!!! Oh my I wouldn't know where to start but I do have a knitting mum and aunt so I will have all the knitted goods I could ever need hehe!!

I thought I was 16 today but she says 16+2 this changes every time I spk to someone different lol!

kellestar Tue 30-Oct-12 20:42:28

All you knitters grin welcome to the yarnside. I am midway through my third baby blanket... Crochet though. Attic24 designs, baby ripple, baby hexagon and baby granny. I plan on knitting a baby ripple. I've also knitted a pair of socks for teeny toes, a hat to match, then DD's new winter hat, DH's hat and I have cast on another mossstitch cardi for DD, all since finding out about DC2. The trick is to do it while watching something not too gripping. Also stops you snacking on crap.

I bought a debbie bliss book baby knits for beginners. Very easy patterns, I still go back to it as the patterns are nice and simple. I am a yarn addict and have so much, i could knit for a year without needing to buy more.

I however cannot do lacework or cable, my brain can not compute these aspects.

For free patterns try ravelry, feel free to add me, same username. The search can narrow down by simplicity.

Also garter stitch looks amazing when you use a variegated yarn, like sirdar baby crofter. I am not one to choose pastels, love seeing babies in bright knits. DD has a bright yellow hat I knitted for her as a baby, still fits and always gets comments.

We shall probably have to start a thread for pregnant knitters or hookers.

Really recommend the crochet ripple, baby size is about 18'' square. Attic 24 instruction is good. I've used 4 colours and they look cool. Good for beginners.

kellestar Tue 30-Oct-12 20:46:38

Missmuffet if you are worried try snuffle babes, fine to use on little babes, fine for mummy. Mind you, I was fine with vapour rub and olbas oil! I had the flu jab last year, have asked for it again, but no appt through yet. Still got quite a few little colds though.

HavingALittleFaithBaby Tue 30-Oct-12 21:40:58

Re the knitting - I've found it helpful to keep my hands busy, not obsessively MNetting! I did a cross stitch (first successful attempt at one of those too!) which I enjoyed but I found knitting allows me to actually look at the tv too! smile

missmuffet glad you found the heartbeat and it being reassuring. I waited for a week til I finished antibiotics for a UTI. Score having my flu jab, it can make you feel kind of rough so best not added to current illness!

Oh I'm 15+0 today!

birdbrain17 Tue 30-Oct-12 22:02:26

for those of you who are novice knitters just did a little googling around and this seems to be a good website with lots of step by step instructions for those of you who are struggling good luck wink


oh keep on forgetting to add 17+2!

Bambino29 Tue 30-Oct-12 22:26:16

Am inspired by the knitting chat! May well have to jump on the bandwagon..

On another note, does anyone know of any good, safe exercise DVDs for use during pregnancy? I'm used to playing netball three times a week and lots in between but have had three months of nothing but the odd walk due to sickness so am keen to get back some of my fitness!

Any suggestions gratefully received!

15 + 2

lutrinae Tue 30-Oct-12 22:29:38

Bambino29 Yep, bland stuff is where it's at. I've spent a WONDERFUL morning throwing up bile so it;s kind of necessary too. So much for this going away after the 1st trimester.

aufaniae yes, Homerton - as long as they let me stay! I know only part of Waltham Forest is in their catchement area. The MW was great and is referring me for something extra that my sister wasn't in Enfield despite it being a common family problem, so I am already impressed.

teapig thanks for the 'awesometow' tips. Am really looking forward to moving there as it seems a great place, and crazily cheap on the rental market, thankfully.

On knitting, I have knitted for years but am a permanent amateur and never finish projects! I dug out a pair of bootees I'd started years ago and got halfway before it became too difficult. Maybe I can persevere and make them for my own. I get all my free patterns from the brilliant Ravelry

Shea butter is gorgeous. I love the smell. If it works on stretchmarks, even better.

EssexWelsh Wed 31-Oct-12 06:09:13

I am a complete novice knitter however was inspired by a pregnant colleague years ago and followed a pattern for a cuddly bunny, actually was supper easy, as was in parts then just sewed together. So can combine that with the idea of giving baba a mummy smelling teddy. We also went along to 'stitch and bitch' groups, which were brilliant, free and you get loads of help and tips from knitting enthusiasts. In London they meet in fabulous venues, like The National Theatre-cafe part and you go along and sit in the cafe and just pull out your needles as code and you all get together. Not at all intimidating even for a brand new knitter. Their websites are


And nationwide


Thank you for inspiring me to start again!


Teapig Wed 31-Oct-12 08:26:49

Thanks for all the knitting tips, I can't wait to get started.

Good point on fitness dvds bambino. I still haven't made it to the swimming pool, think need something I can do at home as and when I have time.

Hope the sickness passes for everyone who has it, roll on the bloom!


edinfirst Wed 31-Oct-12 08:52:31

Morning all. Re fitness, I was doing nothing and starting to really get used to it, so made myself sign up for a pregnancy yoga class. I've only been a couple of times but it has given me loads more energy and enthusiasm. Inspired by that I've dusted down the wii fit which I used to find pretty unchallenging but now seems about right. Just finished my first shot on it for years and delighted that bumpkin and I have a wiifit age of 26 (simple pleasures, I'm 32). Just thought I'd mention it as I know loads of people who have one they never use and it seems a good way to ease yourself back into some exercise (also really recommend pregnancy yoga so far, but I know some people can't get to/afford a class).

Off to 16 week midwife in a bit so better get ready. Hope everyone has a blooming day (in the nicest possible way)

bambino I've been using Erin O'brien's Complete Pregnancy Fitness, which i excellent and really gets you sweating (in an appropriate way for pregnancy) so not one for people who didn't exercise before pregnancy, but great for you if you did netball! It also comes with a postnatal recovery DVD. yay! I also use Tara Lee's Pregnancy Health with Yoga, which is a hatha based yoga for relaxation and childbirth prep. Both are excellent and I interchange depending on my energy levels.

I'm going to try a local Active Birth antenatal yoga class on Sat because although I'm doing a fair bit at home, I'd like to meet other local (ish, it's in the next town) pregnant ladies rather than waiting until NCT starts next year.

I've actually had a week off exercise as I had a bit of hospital drama in the last week. Last Weds, my bladder stopped working and I was in agony busting for the loo for hours and hours. Ended up in A&E, then admitted to hospital for 3 days with a catheter (yuk! but relief) and bladder/kidney infection tests etc. No infections and the Docs had no idea why it''s happening and it's not usual.

They took the tube out and got it going again then had a repeat episode over the weekend with the second tube out on Monday. OK for now, so FX my bladder stays working and the baby rises up (I think it's growing but perhaps not risen yet???). It was really worrying and uncomfortable and I don't fancy another catheter!

Anyone else had or heard of this?


aufaniae Wed 31-Oct-12 10:35:15

So what happens at a 16 week appointment? Got mine later today, not sure what to expect.

Did you need to take a sample to yours? (I rang the surgery to ask but they didn't know).

Cadmum Wed 31-Oct-12 10:56:32

Growyourown: I have heard if this but only on cases where the mum's uterus is tipped back/retroverted.
I hope it doesn't happen again.

usernamegoeshere Wed 31-Oct-12 11:08:43

Aufanie They will want a midstream urine sample, mine just give you a thingy when you arrive so you might want to take a drink with you. Otherwise, I think its just blood pressure & a quick chat, make sure you think before you go in about anything you need to talk about and maybe even write it down as I heard the appointment can be quite fast. Also, its common to try for the heartbeat again though you might have to ask for it rather than be offered.

Grownyourown I have heard of it but I know its very unusual, did they mention if your uterus is retroverted? I believe that can cause blockages in early pregnancy.

bext Wed 31-Oct-12 11:22:26

Just ordered Erin O'Brien - thanks for the advice. I've been utterly lazy since starting IVF but I'm slowly starting to get more energy back and really don't want to be totally unfit when the big day comes smile


aufaniae Wed 31-Oct-12 11:43:45

Thanks usernamegoeshere smile

jj247 Wed 31-Oct-12 12:22:23

Thanks Bonodea, I should quit grumbling at just 2 injections when you have 5 a day! Good to hear it isn't something to worry about and I can inject somewhere other than my stomach too, you've really helped put my mind at rest.

kellestar Wed 31-Oct-12 14:23:17

puerperium I highly recommend this cardigan pattern for boy or girl, pattern is free on ravelry for newborn sized. I have knitted quite a few of these now and was my first time knitting top down and is seamless in construction. It is a quick-ish knit for me and good for those of you a little bit more experienced.

ten stitch blanket this has short rows and makes an off square blanket, but looks lovely with a variegated yarn [as shown].

Really recommend stitch and bitch [or similar groups] there are lots locally around here, I am sure you'll find a group near you. Good for beginners who need a helping hand. I have listed my name under skills swap on my mumsnet local [bath] for knitting or crochet help.

BonaDea Wed 31-Oct-12 15:47:52

jj247 - just check with your doctor that you can use other sites. For insulin it can be just about anywhere, but not sure exactly what you are taking.

Can't believe all the knitters. Could just about do a plain stitch when I was a little girl, but am sure it would be beyond me now!

I read that too cadmum nad username but mine's slightly forward (normal) so docs totally puzzled.

Spoke to midwife today and she said it's not acceptable that I've been to two hospitals and not seen a urologist, so she sent me to GP who is referring me for a follow up to investigate further in case it happens again when baby gets bigger. Still peeing for now though... smile

usernamegoeshere Wed 31-Oct-12 18:21:24

well I hope it is all better now Grownyourown must be really scary not to mention uncomfortable.

I thought I would be "blooming" by now, but I seem to be skipping that part. Still spotting (since about 5 weeks) & I know that I had 2 scans, heard heartbeat a couple of days ago but I am still really anxious. Am bloated, I have period pains (albeit mild ones) my nausea has returned (mostly night time), my skin has left spotty & entered so dry I look ill.


wishfulthinking1 Wed 31-Oct-12 19:14:02

Hi all,
username - I'm still waiting for my glow too!! I'm permanently tired and ravenous- absolutely starving!

By lunchtime I'm quite uncomfy in my normal clothes so going to see if I can get some maternity bits at the weekend. It's not my baby bump that's too big- it's the bit on top that the baby is pushing up! Does anyone know what I mean? I seem to have a two-tier bump- a hard baby bit, and a squishy fat bit above that!!

itsaruddygame Wed 31-Oct-12 19:42:53

Wishful am glad I am not the only one with a 2 tier arrangement going on! Lol! Looking forward to my upper bulge merging with the bump. I don't look overly pregnant at 18 weeks though and if I hadnt been a bit wobbly in the middle beforehand it would not be noticeable at all.

SneezySnatcher Wed 31-Oct-12 20:22:37

Well. I have just spent an unproductive hour trying to find something in my wardrobe that doesn't make me look vast. I'm going to a gig tomorrow (Muse) and wanted to look halfway decent but it's not going to happen.

My size ten stuff sort of fits but it hangs off my bump and makes me look massively pregnant. Maternity stuff looks really 'mumsy' (not bad on a normal day but I'd hoped to look trendy tomorrow). Gah! I was nowhere near this big last time. DH thinks I look lovely but I can't believe how much my body has changed already !

itsaruddygame Wed 31-Oct-12 20:25:52

Growyourown - that sounds horrendous - hope it does not reoccur. It sounds like you are doing well on the exercise front though. I have been riding a couple of times a week but felt too tired and nauseous to do anything else until the last couple of weeks or so. Now time is ticking on I have decided it is time to hang up my boots until after the baby so have been swimming and have signed up for pregnancy Pilates which I start next sat. I am going to miss riding like crazy though!!

itsaruddygame Wed 31-Oct-12 20:30:35

Sneezy - am sure you look foxier than you know! It is a nightmare on the clothes front though - I have not liked a lot of the maternity clothes I have seen but luckily still have a few things that fit on the top and some maternity skinny jeans that look Okish (but fall down due to lack of bump!). Enjoy your concert smile

LoobyLou33 Wed 31-Oct-12 20:33:20

Wow...finally caught up! Busy busy.
mama hope you're doing OK, exciting that you've found out what you're having and that the kids are excited too. Keep hanging in there little bean!

growyourown that sounds unpleasant, I hope you don't get it again. Catheters are not fun!

Is anyone else ridiculously thirsty? I do have a mild cold but I don't think it's just that.

I think I had my best night's sleep in about 2 months last night, still didn't totally sleep through but actually woke up feeling like I had slept. I'm still crazy tired of an evening...but the nausea has subsided YIPEE. So.. not blooming but emerging from the gloom! I also managed a decent walk on Monday, so hopefully will be able to get a tad fitter and walk more again. Before, 15 mins was leaving me feeling faint.

Had 16 week MW on Monday and heard the heartbeat too smile (I had to ask her) ...I'm sure last time they offered to listen much sooner than 25 weeks, must be a policy change. She found it straight away and there was a kick too.

OOh knitting, tried learning 2 years ago and have a half finished (and badly botched!) scarf upstairs. Feel guilty as MIL bought me a gorgeous baby clothes pattern book when I was getting into knitting and I never made a thing. Praps I'll be inspired by you MN knitters! It would be fun, though DS had so many beautiful blankets there's no need for me to knit another one for DC2.

Trishstar Wed 31-Oct-12 23:08:51

Definitely agree with the 2 tier bump! I can't wait for the top tier to merge too! xxx

EssexWelsh Wed 31-Oct-12 23:21:36

Anyone felt kicks yet? I was positive I just felt 3 little kicks, felt very different to any other windy pops type activity. But wanted up check with other more experienced mums, is it normal to feel 3 little kicks then nothing, or is it like multiple flutters as I have read feels like a butterfly inside?? Confused as to what I am feeling??


usernamegoeshere Wed 31-Oct-12 23:26:13

I think I felt kicks on Monday, was exactly like tiny bubbles popping & I don't think I mistook it for windy pops since it wasn't a feeling I had ever had before.

That being said, I have zero experience & I didn't feel anything since!!


bunnygirl80 Wed 31-Oct-12 23:43:33

essex and username I found that early movements do feel just like a little bubble popping. I got some odd flutters for a few weeks before, but now it is distinct little pops. I also get lots of general squirming and pushing, DS was a wriggler and this one seems to be too.

growyourown hope you get your bladder sorted out soon

Nuttyfilly Wed 31-Oct-12 23:56:33

Hi everyone! I'm feeling a tad fed up, I really ache at the minute I'm sure it wasn't this bad last time, I think I have felt movement especially at night.
I really want to knit something but remember both my grandmas teaching me and my mum and all three giving up as a bad job lol.
Growyourown I hope you feel better very soon!
I like the 2 tier bump lol dp says I look like the mitchelin man, the cheek! I asked if he was growing a very large sympathy bump!
Hope everyone is feeling ok and at some stage we all start to bloom!

Bambino29 Thu 01-Nov-12 00:34:20

Thanks for the ideas edinfirst and growyourown. Will be ordering Erin O'Brien DVD ASAP! Really keen to do some yoga but all the classes in my area seem to be held during working hours which is a pain.

growyourown - sounds horrid - really hope they figure it out and it's sorted quickly. Fingers crossed that once the baby has risen a bit it'll resolve itself.

Had 16 week app today which went fine except turns out the hospital have lost my notes (the ones that take hours to fill in at booking-in appointment!) and had forgotten to post my blood type results to the midwives. Not feeling hugely reassured by it all. Did get to hear the hb though which was amazing!

MumofWombat Thu 01-Nov-12 01:29:54

And I'll admit that not only am I a knitter, but also a quilter. I've been feeling so rough and exhausted I've not done anything for a month or so, but you have inspired me to get my act together.
I knitted a blue and yellow striped cardigan (yep, bunnygirl - West Coast Eagles colours...) when I was pregnant for DS. And if he had been a she, she would have worn it as well! This time as we are going to find out what we are having (Nov 15th eek! Can't wait!) I would like to knit something special again, I've got a pattern in mind for a girl, need to find one for a boy.
I've got a pattern for a baby quilt, it's gorgeous, with cute Australian animals on it including a Kookaburra - which is what we have nicknamed bump. Might spend some time looking at knitting patterns, wool, and fabric online... Happy days!
17 + 5

caliope Thu 01-Nov-12 07:01:21

Glad to hear I'm not the only one with a two-tier bump! At least I know which bump is baby and which is chocolate!

Teapig Thu 01-Nov-12 08:15:35

You poor thing growyourown, that sounds like a horrible experience. Hope all is sorted now and your bladder stays in action.

We had lots of trick or treaters last night but I still managed to scoff loads of sweets. I didn't want sproglet to miss out on halloween treats but I may have over done it, feeling sickly this morning.

Crazytictac Thu 01-Nov-12 08:26:37

Glad all your 16 week appointments are going well. I tried calling my midwife yest to arrange mine as Im 17 + 0 tomorrow and was given several different numbers. Was transferred to the antenatal unit where the receptionist told me I didn't need to see the midwife. Somebody overheard her and told her she was wrong so I was bounced back to my GP surgery. Useless! Midwife did call back late afternoon to tell me that she had my 20 week scan appointment which had been misfiled so she would get that out to me and as I was feeling ok, no need to see her hmm

Have been reading with interest about the knitting. Never done any but wouldn't mind trying something new.....might be badgering you for tips over the coming weeks

Anybody else (aside from the blocked nose!) have sharp pains when they cough or sneeze? I know it's ok as had them with my DS but just wondering how common it is

Thanks for your kind thoughts ladies. GP going to refer to urology for investgations. Attempting back to work today so let's hope it all keeps working Ok. I'm now peeing every your, so its gone the other way. smile

crazy I've had those sharp pains when sneezing, apparently its the round ligaments at the front being pulled. Really painful for a second tho. Sounds like you've been mucked about on your appointments. If you want to see her still then you should get an appt. Go to the head/chief/lead midwife for you area to get it sorted.

Here's to a slightly more glowy November for us all.


FlaminNoraImPregnantPanda Thu 01-Nov-12 09:27:50

NuttyFilly if you think knitting is beyond you, give crochet a try. It's so much easier than knitting. My daughter couldn't quite get the hang of knitting but has taken to crochet like a duck to water.

FlaminNoraImPregnantPanda Thu 01-Nov-12 09:30:00

Crazytictac I've had a bad cough pretty much the whole time I've been pregnant (though the nausea, headaches etc were a virus too). The pain is excruciating. It's not too bad if I tighten up my abdominal muscles before coughing, but when I get taken by surprise I want to cry.

Nuttyfilly Thu 01-Nov-12 09:37:13

Thank you flamingnora I might just give that a go! I remember having ago a few years ago

Missmuffet28 Thu 01-Nov-12 09:54:30

crazy I posted a while back about sneezing pains! it's horrible I try my hardest not to sneeze now!

Since announcing on Facebook I have had a few friends pm me to say they are due in April wonder if any of them are you lol!! Thought it was nice tho now I have people I know that wont be bored with chatting baby crap all the time!!

16+4 smile

Missmuffet28 Thu 01-Nov-12 10:00:28

Oh and essex I'm pretty sure I have had fluttering going on and the odd pop the midwife did ask me but I haven't said anything to anyone else and played it down to her as I'm not 100% but I'm 99% it was that, I remember from DS those feelings and wondering if it could be that but nothing becomes certain in my mind until those proper kicks which midwife said will be heading my way in next few weeks so I will wait until then so I can maybe share it with dp smile

Crazytictac Thu 01-Nov-12 12:12:06

Thanks ladies. Nice to know it's not just me! It seems uncommon amongst my friends and family. The delights of pregnancy!

growyourown thanks for the advice too re. Midwife

steph2412 Thu 01-Nov-12 12:21:42

Hi all, ive just got backfrom my 16 week appointment. Got to hear the babies heartbeat midwife found it first time was so reassuring! Just waiting for my 20week scan on 27th november to make sure babes is developing ok then going pram shopping! Midwife also booked my in for app at 25weeks she said due to my high bp she wounlt like to leave me until 28 weeks. I also have extra scans at 28 and 34 weeks and midwife appointmens every 2 weeks after 28 weeks, so i will be seeing and hearing a lot from baby. Oh course im really happy about all this. Have already brought a cot as it was in the sale and fell in love with it. Hope everyone is well just wondering what sortof prams everyone is going for? Sorry for the mememe post but good to write it all down! 16+2

trying2bpos Thu 01-Nov-12 12:52:57

Feeling sorry for myself:
had cold for 2 weeks now- will it ever go?
DS cough has come back, bad night and more medicine to take!
I need a good nights sleep
getting shafted at work- again!

Sorry for winge I just feel like crying all the time which I know is totally pathetic as what I'm going through is nothing compared to others on here.

I just wish I could talk to my mum (she died just before I got pg with DS)

Missmuffet28 Thu 01-Nov-12 14:16:39

Hey trying sorry your feeling down my advice would be to have a cry I often don't stop myself now sometimes it gets rid of that knot you get at the back of your throat and makes you feel a little better smile
I have been ill this week too and feeling really sorry for myself, that won't make you feel better but just so you know your not alone smile

Big hugs (((( \o/ )))))

trying2bpos Thu 01-Nov-12 15:01:09

Thanks missmuffet a friend came in to take me for coffee (well hot chocolate actually) just after I posted and she copped for it all! I feel a bit better now for letting it all out but not sure I look better hmm.
Sorry you're feeling down too.
I've downloaded some knitting patterns from kellestar and might give those a try tonight to try and cheer myself up a bit or give myself a distraction!

Missmuffet28 Thu 01-Nov-12 15:17:51

Ooh I can't wait till I can stomach the smell of coffee so I can go out for a hot choccie!!!! And I swear to god If I don't get my taste for coffee back I will be devastated, I loooove the coffee!!!
I have some new water babies (fish) to tend to tonight and although I won't be touching them as they are marine and the water is just so full of nasties (and no doubt with smell of salt i wont be able to resist nom noming on my fingers) I will enjoy ordering dp about so that will keep me occupied with no time to mope about, im hoping for a decent nights sleep tonight been up since 4.20am sad got up put bins and recycling out did a crap load of washing shrunk one of my fave big wrap around cardis in the tumble dryer, fed fur babies, snuggled said fur babies, sat and watched new water babies and browsed mums net so although I haven't done loads I feel knackered Zzz

And I'm sure your friend really doesn't mind lending you an ear after all that's what friends are for smile

Giddypants Thu 01-Nov-12 17:21:12

Evening ladies, me and DS had our flu jabs today, DS is fine but my arm hurts and I feel sick <wimp>
We had a lovely wedding on Sunday, nice catching up with family, dad was still being an arse and didn't speak to me or DH!

DH took the dog to the vet on Tuesday for his injections, apparently he is sad (the dog not vet) wonder if it is anything to do with my hormones?

username how awful, I hope it doesn't happen again

Can't remember who it was having injections of heparin, but just check you can inject in other places other than your tummy, if its clexane in pretty sure they were only licenced for the tummy area, this may have changed though.

FlaminNoraImPregnantPanda Thu 01-Nov-12 17:30:01

Steph we bought a bugaboo chameleon last week. I was going to wait until after my scan but when I saw a nearly new second hand one in perfect condition and a fraction of the new price, I snapped it up. Nearly all the prams here (not UK) are Brio ones which are massive and way too heavy. My husband is over the moon that I bought a second hand one. He thought I was going to insist on a new one, which cost a king's ransom here.

Teapig Thu 01-Nov-12 19:17:10

Evening ladies, well I've taken the plunge and come out to my team at work. I told a few selected colleagues last week but now my team know I'm pretty sure everyone at work will know soon.

I feel massively pregnant today, probably a combination of yesterday's Halloween sweets and a team lunch today (duck curry - yum) and now I feel huge.

Hope you're feeling better trying, a hot chocolate and a good friend sounds like the perfect pick-me-up.

Jo1984uk Thu 01-Nov-12 20:12:59

Been good to read how everyone is getting on, glad I am not the only one with the sneezing pains! Also have a horrible blue vein come up on the right side of my belly where the stretching pain is worst. Lovely!!

16 week check went well, almost made the whole thing more real than the scan hearing the babys heartbeat. I have been counting down to my 20 week scan (2 weeks today!) Cant wait to find out what I am having :-)

Am also hoping to get the bugaboo chameleon in black and orange. Will have to start saving a bit harder!

usernamegoeshere Fri 02-Nov-12 11:28:52

eeeeeeeeeeeek, I just got told I am having a GTT at 28 weeks, I kind of hoped to dodge that particular bullet. Not scared of needles just scared of missing breakfast... thats probably why they making me have it in first place :P

Giddy it wasn't me with the bladder problem, unless you are sympathising over my dry skin in which case I agree. IT IS AWFUL!!!!

I took my belly button piercing out this morning, still no bump as such (just massive bloat making me look like I am carrying in fact a baby elephant) but I noticed it seemed different, like more shallow. This displeases me greatly so I removed piercing just in case something dreadful happens to it (my imagination is vivid) and shall resist the urge to poke it with a pen to stop it popping out.

Won't be around this weekend, good luck to those having scans/16 wks appointments!

aw & no word from Mama for ages, I hope doing well & will look forward to updates next week


jj247 Fri 02-Nov-12 13:01:52

[username] I took my belly ring out this week too, I've not been without it for 17yrs so it seems really alien now, although belly looks like I'm 25weeks so probably about time! My Mum's bellybutton stuck out when pregnant but then returned afterwards. I've threatened to paint my belly and tie some string off it like a balloon if mine goes the same way. With that and the compression tights (to avoid blood clots and varicose veins) this pregnancy malarky is doing nothing for my self image... loving my little belly though smile
[giddypants] it was me having the heparin, I've been started on Fragmin and actually got advised to inject it into my thighs, which i did for the first time last night. it didn't hurt a bit so I'm feeling much more positive about it now, just wish this niggling headache would go! My blood pressure was measured by District nurse last night so I'm not worried on that front, but it is stopping me doing any exercise and affecting my sleep so going to ask midwife at 16week scan next week just to be on safe side...

trying2bpos Fri 02-Nov-12 16:15:29

Thanks teapig feeling much better today probably because I went to bed at 9.30 and think I didn't wake until about 5.30 fantastic!

Someone outright asked me at a meeting the other day if I was pg shock. I couldn't lie either but was a bit surprised and asked why she'd asked as she doesn't even know me well and she said I look it! Crap! Better come clean soon, only another week and a half til 20 wk scan so hoping can delay until after that!

Started the 10 stitch blanket you recommended kellestar and not going too badly although my picking up stitches needs some perfecting!

I can recommend the stitch and bitch books to you beginners as lots of really good tips and instructions on the basics and different ways of doing things so even if you've struggled being taught by someone there might be a way for you. They also have a great little hat in one of them that can be made in a couple of hours on a circular needle so only the basic stitch needed if you've not mastered pearls yet and iirc no sewing up needed! I think it only used one 50g ball of wool too so not like you've wasted a fortune if you don't get to grips with it! try the library. Debbie bliss baby book has lots of easy patterns in basic stitch too.

Anyway TGIF and hope you all have relaxing healthy weekends.

trying2bpos Fri 02-Nov-12 16:31:51

Someone recommended a series of CDs for relaxation/breathing techniques can someone please remind me what they were called. Thanks

Giddypants Fri 02-Nov-12 18:27:25

Sorry username I loose track and forget who has done what blush

Giddypants Fri 02-Nov-12 18:35:23

Ah trying that was me I have the 4 CDs £40 here I really need to start listening to them again now that its actually happening!

enjay0811 Fri 02-Nov-12 21:45:04

trying and giddy I used a hypnobirthing cd with dd2 and think it was the best thing eva! Def helped me to feel in control during labour and more relaxed throughout. Need to have a look for it...the weeks seem to flying by now, Xmas soon then it'll almost be time to meet our little bumps grin

There's the Natal Hypnotherapy series. I used the Prepare to conceive one while TTC and found her style good and it's not american.

I just bought (on eBay) the 4 CD set of the same brand that has one for Pregnancy Relaxation, Birth preparation (you choose home birth or hospital/birth centre), a Post Natal one and a relaxing birth music one. I've only used the Pregnancy one so far, but it's good and by the same woman, Maggie Howell, as the conceive one, so I'm used to her voice. Not listened to the relaxing birth music, but might put it on later to see what it's like!!!

FlaminNoraImPregnantPanda Sat 03-Nov-12 09:44:48

When did you all first start to feel movement? Lying in bed in the quiet last night with my hand under my fat roll next to my abdomen, I was pretty sure I felt some tiny little bumps and knocks on the inside. In the cold light of day I now wonder if I imagined it.


Missmuffet28 Sat 03-Nov-12 10:20:37

flaminnora iv been feeling pops and flutters for a 10-12 days I think I'm sure that's what it is but have convinced my self it probably isn't lol just so I don't get over excited, I am looking forward to the first proper it's definitely baby kick tho I just hope I can share it with dp if he's not around I won't tell him ill wait till the next one :D


Teapig Sat 03-Nov-12 10:22:25

Thanks for the CD tips grow, giddy and enjay. I'm going to add those to my shopping list along with a pregnancy pillow.

I'm off to LA today for the work trip I postponed in September. Hoping an 11 hour flight in economy won't be too bad. Going to drink loads of water and get those attractive flight socks, fun.

JessieEssex Sat 03-Nov-12 10:32:29

flamin I've been feeling movement since about 14 weeks so it certainly could be that. At first it was tiny little flicks, like a muscle twitching, but now I get proper kicks - in fact DH felt his first one this morning! It's such a lovely feeling.

tattooedapril87 Sat 03-Nov-12 10:58:27

im almost sure I've been feeling something for about a week now... i get two different feelings- one is like a muscle twitch type popping feeling, and about once a day it feels like a wriggly worm in my lower belly for about 5 seconds!

must be it surely?!

on a more bum note my rlp was so bad last night i was awake for most of it and even had a little cry sad

tattooedapril87 Sat 03-Nov-12 10:59:26

16+4 twins

Giddypants Sat 03-Nov-12 11:24:46

Morning ladies, is anyone else getting cravings? I've all of a sudden needed chilli con carne! I can't explain it, I never got any cravings with DS but if I rodent have it I will cry! So we're going out for lunch! grin
I think I felt movement quite early but now I'm thinking it wasn't really and what I'm feeling now s baby if that makes sense?

Giddypants Sat 03-Nov-12 11:25:39

Rodent??? I meant don't!

HavingALittleFaithBaby Sat 03-Nov-12 11:38:10

Have a good trip teapig!

If I'm feeling movement I don't know it yet! But I'm not yet 16 weeks so I'm not sure hmm

giddy my milk cravings have passed and now I want orange juice! I did absolutely have to have a maccy D's after a long shift on Thursday but I don't think that was an genuine craving!


EmpressMatilda Sat 03-Nov-12 12:24:03

Not sure who mentioned tummy pains when sneezing and coughing. I get those too. I find that if I hunch forward and put a hand on my tummy that cures it.

Thanks for all the tips about CDs etc. I think I will get the exercise on for sure as I am not doing enough.

Say it quietly but I might be entering a good phase! DH tells me I am 'clearly in the blooming stage'. I don't feel quite that fabulous but I am better than I have been since getting pg. I credit the pregnancy yoga classes and dream genii pillow (which has enabled me to sleep again) so would thoroughly recommend both.

Hope I haven't jinxed it now!

Feeling some flutterings which I am pretty sure are the baby. Nothing strong enough to be felt from the outside though. And still plenty of stretching twinges.

Anxious, excited and impatient for 20 week scan. It's still 2 weeks away. Refusing to buy anything for baby until then.

Hope everyone else is well.


bext Sat 03-Nov-12 15:24:55

Hi ladies

Has anyone else had a taxoplasmosis test? I've got cats and also garden a lot so my mum is paranoid I'm going to catch it. I'm sure I've probably already been in contact and therefore am immune.
I'm not touching the cat's litter and always wear gloves for gardening but will still like a test so I can shut her up!
I asked at the hospital but they don't do it and said I had to get it done through the gp. Saw her on Friday and she hadn't a clue. She finally did a referral for a blood test but I'm not that reassured she'll know what she's looking at when the results come back.
Anyone else been tested and if so what am I looking for?


Been busy dealing with chicken pox here, so need to have a read and catch up

Ollibobs Sat 03-Nov-12 23:13:49

Hi bext - I asked midwife for the test at my booking in appointment as I was really concerned about it. (Have two elderly cats...) Everything I had read though said catching it was really rare - and transmission to the baby even less likely. However, as it was really worrying me, the midwife said I should get tested for peace of mind. She just added it to my blood test requisition.
The test came back negative, however, it turns out that despite having cats my entire life, I am not immune... So, while I was glad that to find out that I didn't have it (obviously) I kind of think it's made me worry more as at least before I thought I had about a 30% chance of being immune...sad
However, the risks are apparently pretty low, but to be extra careful I wash my hands and fruit like crazy and load up on the hand sanitizer.
But, to rest your mind at ease, check out the NHS website. It's stats are reassuring: http://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/1107.aspx?CategoryID=54&SubCategoryID=137%23close

So long story short: talk to your midwife. She should sort you out pretty easily.

Good luck!

MrsSimkins Sun 04-Nov-12 11:15:32

Hey Ladies,
Does anyone know if I can take anything for cystitis? I think I have it a little so have sent DH out for some cranberry juice but just wondered if anyone knows of anything I can take to get rid as I'm feeling so uncomfortable and am disliking seeing blood when I go to the loo! [Sad] sorry if tmi x

Trishstar Sun 04-Nov-12 12:29:04

Hi ladies, just had a read thru to catch up with you all.

I've been feeling little flutters and pops for the last couple weeks which is exciting! Just looking forward to feeling proper movements soon so my boyfriend can feel too!!


Trish x


Missmuffet28 Sun 04-Nov-12 14:20:47

Aww mrssimkins I feel for you I get it ALOT something to do with having shorter tubes and now most prob scaring on bladder my doctor has always told me to not bother with the cranberry once you have it (cranberry more of a preventative) just loads and loads and loads of water to flush out and help discomfort also makes the feeling of going to loo more satisfactory as you actually have a full bladder but go docs and get some antibiotics to clear it up I'm pretty sure they can give you safe ones in pregnancy cos if it travels any further up you will be in so much pain sad
Of course this is just my experience I'm no doctor but like I say I get it a lot and usually manage this way until I can get to docs smile

EmpressMatilda Sun 04-Nov-12 16:32:52

bext I had the toxoplasmosis test about a month ago. The cats round here like to use our garden as a toilet angry and I have done quite a lot of gardening lately, not always being careful and using gloves. At first I wasn't worried but then I read a leaflet my MW gave me about it and I got panicked so I called up the clinic and they did a test. It came back negative which means I don't have it but also that I am not immune. I have been very careful since.

The weird thing is a couple of weeks later someone from the clinic phoned up (not someone I'd spoken to there before) and interrogated me as to why I had requested the test. She was actually quite rude. I explained I had requested it as I was concerned (mainly because of the leaflet I was given) and wanted reassurance, and that her colleagues had seemed to think this was fine.

She said that the chance of me having toxoplasmosis was tiny and also that the treatment for it was potentially more harmful for the baby than them actually having toxoplasmosis!

So, anyway, I am not sure this little episode helps you at all except to say that it's rare but also that there seems to be a lack of agreement about it in the medical profession!

aufaniae Sun 04-Nov-12 18:45:44

Ollibobs and Empress, I'd be pleased to get a negative test for toxoplasmosis. Not exactly pregnancy related - but maybe interesting ...

Until recently we thought that toxoplasmosis was "symptomless and causes no harm". However I heard a really interesting documentary earlier this year which said that research now suggests otherwise.

(I've copied this from another thread where I posted this before, apologies if anyone's already read it!)

The documentary said:

The microorganism Toxoplasma gondii likes living in warm blooded creatures, but needs to be in a cat to reproduce. It is passed on through faeces, but much more commonly through raw or undercooked meat. So, you can see that it is in the interests of the parasite if it can turn its host into meat (i.e. kill it), and ideally with a cat around. Research has shown that rats infected with Toxoplasma gondii "lose their instinctual fear of cats and engage in reckless risk-taking", therefore much more likely to end up as a cat's dinner. Sinister! (It does this by stimulating dopamine production in the rats.)

So, does infection affect human's brains at all? The researchers think so. "a Czech parasitologist named Jaroslav Flegr decided to look for evidence that T. gondii's mind-meddling extends beyond rats. Testing the blood of drivers responsible for causing traffic accidents, he discovered they were two and a half times more likely to have been exposed to T. gondii than the general population. "

They also found that infection had a different affect on men and women. Infected men were more likely to become more jealous. Infected women were more likely to become more trusting and promiscuous.

The most interesting part I thought, was a possible link between Toxoplasma gondii infection and schizophrenia. If true, this will open up promising new avenues for a possible prevention and/or cure of the schizophrenia. This possibility is being taken seriously and research is being carried out.

Newpaper article here

Info on Toxoplasmosis/Schizophrenia Research

kellestar Sun 04-Nov-12 21:13:58

can't add anything to the toxiplasmosis discussion.

Feeling a bit fed up with my family. My sister was visiting the area today, we had to go to my mum's to say hello [she's a bit of a princess and the world revolves around her], we've had snow locally and it was a bit crazy on the roads so a 15 minute trip took almost 45 minutes, plenty of accidents and I was being a cautious driver. She gave us a big lecture on arrival how we have messed up her schedule and now she can't do this that or the other, which meant she called the other relatives/friends who had to come to her and adjust all their times. She then proceeded to fondle me [she knows I'm not touchy feely] and she said 'what a disappointment that you are having another girl' she's made her prediction on what sex the bump is, we aren't finding out and won't be bothered by whatever comes. My mum was watching TV, but my sister wanted to sit on the sofa and chat so she turned the TV off [blamed me] and chased mum upstairs to babysit my sisters darling hound that can't be left alone, but has to be shut away as she doesn't like children. It was just a painful conversation, the world revolves around her, blah blah blah, how mean I am to be having 'her' honeymoon baby. What is going to happen to all the baby stuff from my DD, that she planned on having off me [not that I would, I knew I wanted more DC's] if she falls pregnant before DC2 is born she has more rights to it than I do, wtf? Ack it was just vile. DH had to make conversation with her DH who is just an awfully lazy person, with no aspiration in life than to do feck all, claim as many benefits as he can whilst lying through his teeth and doing cash in hand work badly. We both came away with headaches two hours later. Bacon Butty's and Chocolate Brownies helped relieve them. I love my Dad and my Brother but I can't stand my mum or my sister they are horrible and I usually avoid them as much as possible.

I've tried to post a few times but my ipod is having ishoos, I type the post and it looses it... a real PITA. So we went to fireworks last night with SIL, BIL and their 2 DC's and had a fab time, DD loved the bangy bangy.

Still being sick, no sign yet of it passing. Most of the week been sleeping 8pm to 8am. More sleep does seem to relieve it, but if I try to do too much then the nausea rages and I end up being awfully ill.

DH has been off work with a bad lower back, he's been given the co-codamol that I took for my SPD last pg, he now understands why I felt like I did taking them. A little spaced out, pukey, like being really hammered and sometimes a little wild. It helped with some of the discomfort but not a lot. I'm hoping the chiropractor will have him back on his bum soon. Standing is fine, it's sitting that he can't do.

16+2 and will try to keep my posts smaller [was slightly pissed off with her behaviour and just wanted to vent somewhere] thank you.

EssexWelsh Sun 04-Nov-12 21:47:15

Evening ladies, in bed, setting alarm after a lovely half term, good luck all the teachers out there, but just think only 2 half terms to go til we go on our 'holidays' wink

aufaniae Sun 04-Nov-12 21:52:41

kellestar please don't apologise for venting! That's what we're here for smile

What strange behaviour from your mum and sister! I'm not surprised you're fed up.

Here have some virtual wine. (We're allowed to drink it in cyberspace!)

Sorry to hear you're still being sick, that must be miserable. Have you found anything relieves it at all?

Teapig Mon 05-Nov-12 05:12:46

Kellestar some of the things your sister said were beyond unreasonable. Feel free to have a good vent, that's what we're here for. Hope you and your DH feel better soon.

I'm in California at the moment and boy it's hot. Big respect to wombat and bunny, being pg in Oz must be tiring when it's hot.

Went to the Getty today and after a couple of hours felt really exhausted, a combination of the 90 degree heat and 20 hours travelling the day before. In big comfy hotel bed now though smile


somewherebecomingrain Mon 05-Nov-12 07:40:54

That toxoplasmosis info is scary! And 40%of us have it.

I really want to know if I've had it now.

More than just for pg safety as I'm being careful. Sounds like my personality could depend on it. Too much!

Only good news was that freezing meat kills the spores and I do freeze all my meat.

Kellestar how horrible. I hope you can work towards disentangling your life from these harridans. I had a personality disorder sister I now never see her and it's taken a very problematic and destabilising madness out of my life. They sound a bit PD to me.

Trying2bwpos I didn't realise your mum had died that is so sad. How are u feeling? Xxx

somewherebecomingrain Mon 05-Nov-12 07:51:29

Omg look at toxo on Wikipedia. Apparently it has positive effects protecting against Alzheimer's and boosting intelligence - but u will crash the car more often.

Aufaniae man this is extraordinary

Mama1980 Mon 05-Nov-12 10:12:49

Hi sorry for not having time to update sooner, thanks for all the messages and pm s I will reply personally if I ever am allowed my laptop in here. I hope everyone is well?
I have had a bit of a nightmare week, I had a massive bleed and was moved to a intensive unit and they thought they may have to act but the bleeding slowed again. So I'm back on the maternity/pre labour ward just waiting and hoping. I have had about 15 scans and my boy is hanging in there looking plump as well [proud mama emoticon] they are pretty sure they will be delivering very early now so 24 weeks is my aim.
Do you mind if I ask your opinions on dp? Don't want to clog up the thread if you'd rather I didn't smile

aufaniae Mon 05-Nov-12 10:40:50

Mama great to hear your boy is doing well. I'm sorry the bleeding continues to be so worrying, I can't imagine what you're going through right now.

Of course you can write about your DP here! You're not clogging up the thread at all, I'm sure we'd all be happy to help if we can.