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November 2012 - arrivals are now underway

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StuntNun Thu 04-Oct-12 12:43:08
NervousAt20 Thu 04-Oct-12 12:53:56

Marking place. I wonder how many babies this thread will see arrive

ValiumQueen Thu 04-Oct-12 12:58:44

Marking place. Feels like this is a weekly occurrence.

Marking my spot too

StuntNun Thu 04-Oct-12 13:22:24

It is VQ, exactly one week since the last thread ended!

ValiumQueen Thu 04-Oct-12 13:27:14

blush. We do talk a lot don't we! grin

Catbag Thu 04-Oct-12 15:00:45

Marking my place too

One week? Bloody hell. That means we'll probably go through several more before I get to meet my baby sad

<marks place> can't wait to hear Evil's baby news grin

In a world of pain tonight, stuck firmly upstairs, feels like my 'areas' are about to explode blush

Sophiathesnowfairy Thu 04-Oct-12 21:25:55

I'm here.

Elizadoesdolittle Thu 04-Oct-12 22:29:58

Marking place...and now going to bed. Shattered is not the word.

kirrinIsland Thu 04-Oct-12 22:36:05

Marking place

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Thu 04-Oct-12 22:40:57

Marking my spot

blonderthanred Thu 04-Oct-12 23:05:35

Wow a new thread already. Look forward to hearing Evil's news and hope we have some more birth announcements - but also hope mine stays put for more than a week yet!

Marking place. Havent been on the other threads much. But due nov 2nd smile

rowingdowntheriver Fri 05-Oct-12 06:53:24

Marking my place. Good luck evil!

Lane81 Fri 05-Oct-12 07:54:23

Marking spot. Hope we have lots more birth announcements on this one!

Marking place smile

horseylady Fri 05-Oct-12 08:27:58

Marking place too!!

LittleLolly Fri 05-Oct-12 09:54:54

Marking place.... And hoping I give birth on this thread <unlikely>

Tiago Fri 05-Oct-12 10:04:41

Also marking place. Really really ready to meet the baby now!

Cacacaz Fri 05-Oct-12 10:59:50

Gosh another new thread already, I will attempt to catch up with the other one blush I am struggling to keep up! Might be a tad easier from today since its my last day at work grin

YellowWellies Fri 05-Oct-12 11:00:55

Hello all, marking my place. Waiting I had the same thing last night - I realised I'd had my WH jag on the arm I normally sleep on... Ouch!

I'm now working four days a week (2 of which from home) and today is my first proper day off - am loving it. I slept in until 10.30 and DH managed to get the embers on the Rayburn going so I didn't wake up to a cold house. Bless that man. Why can I sleep so well in the morning but not at night. Today I'm making curry, bidding on Ebay (I think I have dodgy taste for 70s style knitwear poor baby as I'm getting most of the things I want for under a fiver!), painting our crib for the wee one to be plonked in during the day, having a clean of the house - and watching Jeremy Kyle on +1 grin Am also having lebkuchen for breakfast mmmmm Christmas

I hope everyone has a lovely day. Good luck Evil. Shelley go to the PCT your GP needs to be 'torn a new one' as it were...

shanelle5 Fri 05-Oct-12 11:05:41

Good luck evil!! How exciting, anyone remember how many weeks along she was?
detective have you looked on Ebay for birthing pools? Mine came yesterday and we paid £59 for a kit with add ons that like many other listed the lady didnt get to use due to last minute hospital birth so I got a bargain. My results from the GT test came back normal grin SO happy to get the call from the midwife, my heart sank when I answered and hear her voice as I assumed she would only call if bad news but no, all fine so God only knows why they were sky high on the wee test but no matter. Home birth back on for now unless baby has other ideas of course wink
Am booked in for some acupuncture in 2 weeks time at 38 weeks as Im ALWAYS late and that had me go from being booked in for home birth to a yucky induction with DD no 3 so willing to try anything to avoid if poss though I am rather sceptical about these natural ways to bring on labour and a firm believer in baby will come when its ready and cooked but no harm in trying!

TheDetective Fri 05-Oct-12 11:16:06

Glad to hear it Shanelle I was worried that we hadn't heard from you!

I have looked on eBay - yep! Not found one I can afford that is close enough to pick up though! Will keep looking!

Am in work later, but first - I think an ass kicking email to the head of midwifery with the chief exec cc'd in is my next course of action. I've had my tears and whinge yesterday, today it's Miss Takes-no-shit grin I am having a homebirth, and I will not feel afraid that I am going to be abandoned at such a vulnerable time for me and the baby!

DonnaDoon Fri 05-Oct-12 11:17:13

shanelle I think Evil was due about a week or so before me and Im 36+1
Good luck Evil

TheDetective Fri 05-Oct-12 11:17:23

And i'll cc PALS in for good measure. Hmpf.

ValiumQueen Fri 05-Oct-12 11:27:18

evil is past 37 weeks now for sure.

Bastard Sheriff Court have not excused DH. Well if baby comes early, or trial runs over, he ain't missing it!!!

Payroll cannot pay my mat leave money in equal payments due to my twat of a boss losing the paperwork. Probably just as well though, as we will now have a whole month without DH getting paid because of the sodding court and unpaid Pat Leave.

Iheartpasties Fri 05-Oct-12 11:30:08

shanelle excellent news!!

ValiumQueen Fri 05-Oct-12 11:32:02

izzy good she has meds. DD is on that too, and loves it (strange child). How is yours with meds?

waiting (I think anyway as on old thread) I feel your pain in both arms. My sleep has not been good with the jabs, but it will ease soon. At least we have had them, so not being kept awake with worry about them!

TheDetective Fri 05-Oct-12 11:33:46

Oh my god VQ I'd be going absolutely mental....

I hate incompetent twats, and people who have no brains. I can't believe your DH hasn't been excused! I really can't! And your manager is an idiot--fuckwit--. I think my hormones may be over reacting on your behalf...!

ValiumQueen Fri 05-Oct-12 11:39:49

I think DH is quite looking forward to it, and it will save money on petrol. He may be let go on the first day. We will just wait and see. As for my boss, I think it is a pre-requisite to be a twat to be a manager in NHS. No wonder I am still front line grin perhaps they go on the same how-to-be-a-twat course that GP receptionists and practice managers go on? I am trying not to get wound up as it is not good for my mental elf.

kirrinIsland Fri 05-Oct-12 11:39:51

Yay shanelle - what a relief!

izzy your poor DD - hope she feels better soon.

I am well and truly over this pregnancy malarky now! But too soon to be hoping for an early arrival, I'll be 37 weeks in 2 weeks time and baby can come as soon as she likes after that!

I have lots of BHs and an achy tummy - do BHs cause aching even when they've stopped?

ShellyBobbs Fri 05-Oct-12 11:41:19

Yellow I have involved the PCT, the immunisation co-ordinator was supposed to speak to the practice manager, but yesterday she obviously hadn't and she's now off until Tuesday.

Anyway the complaints manager has emailed me to say she will ring me later to discuss everything with me and to try and get it sorted (due to above person being off). I've also managed to dig out the Director of Public Health's name and email address for the PCT which is the next avenue I think if this doesn't work.

To be honest, today I'm just knackered after not a minutes sleep, plus all 3 of the ankle biters are off today due to staff training and I don't want to be a twat round them which I will be if I phone the surgery today and start kicking off with them yet again. I'm going to charge my rockets over the weekend and let them blast on Monday. Don't worry, I'm not letting them get away with it and I've told the complaints manager that I am fighting not just for me, but for all the pregnant ladies who are eligible in my surgery grin

ValiumQueen Fri 05-Oct-12 11:42:00

Good news shanelle very pleased for you!

kirrinIsland Fri 05-Oct-12 11:43:12

VQ I'm contemplating a career change that will involve working for the NHS - am I crazy?! Are all managers really that bad?

ValiumQueen Fri 05-Oct-12 11:44:05

shelly God help them on Monday! Hopefully you will get an answer today though.

ShellyBobbs Fri 05-Oct-12 11:44:05

Kirrin They most certainly can, and back ache. I went a whole day yesterday without feeling one Braxton Hick, I think that's a first since I was about 13 weeks! I was uber busy though and didn't sit down all day until about 9.30pm which is why I feel such a sweary bitch today, and I don't normally swear like I have today blush

ValiumQueen Fri 05-Oct-12 11:46:00

kirrin I think it depends how high up you would be going in at as to how you would be treated. They are not all twats, I had a fab one down south, plus he was hot!

StuntNun Fri 05-Oct-12 11:46:41

Evil is due 20 October, she's in our 'club' because her dates were changed after we had all got to know each other!

Detective if my DH asks, it's all your fault that the fridge is now full of lasagne.

The doctor wasn't much use, apparently I'm incredibly tired and thirsty all the time because I'm pregnant. That was worth waiting an hour and a half for. I mentioned that I worked up to 38 weeks with my last pregnancy and now I get out of breath just sitting up in bed but this was deemed not relevant. At least she checked for anaemia, glucose in urine, swelling, palpated tummy etc.

I plan to be grumpy for the rest of the day to make up for it.

ShellyBobbs Fri 05-Oct-12 11:48:01

VQ Really god help them because I'll have had an extra 2 days of research to do (too busy resting and pissing today) and I'm going above local level as of Monday if it's not sorted.

When I saw my new midwife today, I think she was trying to cheer me up by saying that 'the head is RIGHT in there', you should have seen her face when I told her it was 'right in there' 2 weeks ago, then it wasn't and now it is again. Oh and it's my 4th so it'll probably be 'right out of there' by the time I get out of your door smile Ahhh, I think she only wanted to try and make me feel better after my rant.

Iheartpasties Fri 05-Oct-12 11:48:59

Go shelly! Why didnt you get any sleep, sounds awful.

kirrinIsland Fri 05-Oct-12 11:56:17

Ohh VQ a hot manager, that would be a first for me ignores the fact that DP was my first ever boss That would be a bonus. I'd be going in pretty low in the pecking order, my options are somewhat limited at the moment....

Thanks Shelly I've had vague tightenings since about 16 weeks, but proper whole solid bump BHs have only started in the last few days - I'd forgotten what they're like!

ShellyBobbs Fri 05-Oct-12 11:58:50

Just had a phone call off the complaints manager, she told me the immunisation manager spoke to the practice manager yesterday afternoon, so must have been after I'd been. She is going to speak to her now again and phone me back. Fingers crossed ladies smile

YellowWellies Fri 05-Oct-12 11:59:45

"I'm going to charge my rockets over the weekend and let them blast on Monday." Go for it Shelly grin

ShellyBobbs Fri 05-Oct-12 12:00:31

Pasties I was up weeing and my fanjo was aching plus little buba was kicking me all night. I think also this f'ing WC jab was on my mind and by the time I decided to get up I was fuming. Must have had about 64 wee's last night smile

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Fri 05-Oct-12 12:07:27

Thanks for asking after DD. She doesn't mind taking medicine, in fact she quite likes it, the funny child! Glad I took her cos its always more difficult getting seen over a weekend.

I wonder how evil is doing, is it wrong in a bit jealousy of her being so far ahead of us all?!

Iheartpasties Fri 05-Oct-12 12:09:51

Cor blimey - sometimes by the time I have typed and pressed 'post' five new messages appear!! hehe, you all must be faster typers than me!

64 wee's shelly how annoying. I sometimes think about wearing a nappy at night time (sexy I know).

stunt look after yourself. I'm glad you saw a doctor even if they didnt give you any useful advice, at least they are checking a few things for you.

Iheartpasties Fri 05-Oct-12 12:10:52

izzy sorry to hear (upthread) that you are in so much pain. Can you talk again about a cs or early induction?

TheDetective Fri 05-Oct-12 12:11:13

I'm about to go all kinds of apeshit. My fucking twatting email just locked me out, prior to sending my email. I can't even be bothered explaining why it has done it, but needless to say. YAHOO YOU ARE A PILE OF USELESS CRAP.

Just keep swimmin', just keep swimmin', just keep swimmin'.... repeat until calm!!!!!!!!!!!!

Iheartpasties Fri 05-Oct-12 12:12:29

thedetective oh no! will you have to retype it?

TheDetective Fri 05-Oct-12 12:12:49

What was the name of the midwife you saw Shelly?!

kissyfur Fri 05-Oct-12 12:17:05

Marking my place. Good news on the GT test results shanelle
Now to catch up on the rest of this thread!

Brockle Fri 05-Oct-12 12:24:31

I leave you for a day and you finished one thread and started another one!

Really need news about evil hopefully she is snuggling a newborn by now smile

Mum and Dad took me for a coffee today so I don't start talking to walls which was lovely but not used to so much caffeine so feel rather sick now.

I know I am a little late but that is bloody ridiculous detective. Its hard enough growing a baby for nine months, you shouldn't have to argue and fight for the birth you want.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Fri 05-Oct-12 12:25:32

I have midwife next thurs so hoping I can tell her how bad I am. Gp offered to prescribe me morphine and I am tempted to go back and get it, that's how bad things are. She said it may make baby sleepy and that might mean id need to go get monitored occasionally as movements may seem lessened. I just don't kbwk what do!

ShellyBobbs Fri 05-Oct-12 12:28:13

Ill let you know later Detective, I've left my notes in the car and it's on the front and I'm not dressed and look like a right old hag.

Iheartpasties Fri 05-Oct-12 12:30:13

izzy oh dear - can you create a thread and ask other ladies if they have had to take morphine? sounds awful. The new baby will be worth it when they arrive.

TheDetective Fri 05-Oct-12 12:35:41

Here is my email.... to head of midwifery, chief exec and PALs CC'd in. Hope I didn't come across as a twat grin I thought I sounded fairly calm, and non hysterical?! I hope!


My name is TheDetective, and I am booked at XXXX for my maternity care. Unit number 000000, DOB XX/XX/XXXX. My EDD is 03/11/12

I am planning a home birth in the XXXXX area, under the community midwives. I informed XXXXXXX community midwife of my intention to have a home birth at my booking appointment at 5/40 gestation. I have reiterated this intention at every subsequent visit. I provided my written intention to home birth/ birth plan to XXXXXXX at 25/40. She passed this to a Supervisor of Midwives, XXXXXX, who subsequently visited me at home on 13/09/12. I have since had a visit for a home birth assessment from a community midwife - XXXXXXX on 04/10/12.

Throughout this time I have felt unsupported in my plan to home birth. I have been told that there may not be cover for a home birth when I go in to labour, or that the community midwives may be at another home birth and I would be required to attend hospital. I have informed both XXXXXXX, and
XXXXXX that if this is the case, I will not be attending hospital, and I require a Midwife to attend me at home. I have been informed that in this case an ambulance would be sent to me, and if I chose not to get in, that this is where your obligation to provide me maternity care ends.

I am appalled that your Midwives would consider that this is adequate maternity care. I am now at a point in my pregnancy where it seems I have to decide between putting myself in either the risky situation of being unattended in labour, or attending the labour ward, where I will be subject to midwives who will not be aware of my detailed birth plan, and doctors who will be able to enter my room at free will. As a woman who has had a previous traumatic delivery, resulting in emergency caesarean section, I require competent maternity care in a place that I will feel safe, respected, and in control of my own birth. For me, this can not happen with in the maternity unit, unless there are genuine obstetric complications. Staffing issues are not an obstetric complication, and should not be my concern. I should be able to ring when in labour, and access a home birth service.

I currently do not have faith in your services, and am deeply unhappy and distressed at what appears to be barriers to prevent me from birthing at home. At this late stage in my pregnancy it is not acceptable to have this level of stress and worry put upon myself by your Midwives. Staffing issues are a matter for you to deal with, not me. I require a response to the matter as urgent - I will be 37 weeks on 13/10/12.

Once again, I reiterate, I will not be attending hospital in labour, simply because of staffing issues. If a midwife is unable to attend me in labour, and something happens subsequently to either myself or my baby through lack of care provision, I will not hesitate to take appropriate action, and I hold you responsible for the failure to provide care.

I hope that this will not be the case, and I will be provided with my legal right to maternity care.

YellowWellies Fri 05-Oct-12 12:41:32

Kick ass Detective

TheDetective Fri 05-Oct-12 12:45:02

I'm never gonna get a job at that Trust, am I grin


ShellyBobbs Fri 05-Oct-12 12:50:55

hehehe, NEVER mess with a pregnant woman! Fantastic email detective.

ShellyBobbs Fri 05-Oct-12 12:55:50

Just had the complaints manager on, the practice manager is going to ring me when she speaks to the nurse who is in charge of organising the jabs. I've been told if they don't respond in a timely fashion then to get back to her and she'll also kick arse too smile

Iheartpasties Fri 05-Oct-12 12:56:12

thedetective bravo for sticking up for yourself.

Great email detective. Good for you that you wont allow them to fob you off.

So tired today, I didn't make it to the NHS antenatal class. Laying on the sofa about to fall asleep.

ValiumQueen Fri 05-Oct-12 13:33:44

detective my personal view is that they do not seem to support your plans for a home birth at all due to your past traumatic delivery and, although I am no expert, do also share their concerns (because I love you dearly xxx ) I am guessing (hoping) that the staffing thing is something that they say to all expectant mums. If I were having a home birth, I would expect to be told the same, as if there were other mums in labour at home, just as if there are other mums in theatre, then someone would need to wait or go elsewhere. I would think in reality there is a good chance a midwife would be available, but they cannot guarantee it as they also need to cover the hospital unit (obviously you know this). I would think their response would be along the lines of 'get a private midwife then'. I hope you take my post in the way it is meant, but I wonder if your fear of birthing in hospital is clouding your judgement a wee bit. I don't want you to be disappointed, or stressed, I just want you and baby boy to be safe.

If however you feel they are treating you different to another mum in an identical situation, then kick ass!

ValiumQueen Fri 05-Oct-12 13:37:50

(bear in mind I am too scared to have another VB and would only be having the baby in a theatre, so coming from a completely different angle, yet similar in some ways too?)

YellowWellies Fri 05-Oct-12 13:42:24

I can see VQ's very well made point here too Detective - what would you want to happen if the community MWs were busy when you need them - presumably you wouldn't want a MW being removed from the mat unit where she is potentially already looking after 3 or 4+ labouring women to come to you would you?

I imagine they have to tell you what would happen in the worst case scenario (if the community MWs are busy with other births) - and that realistically would be, come in or do it alone - we're not going to hire someone just for you or remove MW from the wards to go to you if it leaves the hospital understaffed. They could put this in a much more sympathetic way however considering they are dealing with a heavily pregnant lady.

I guess resources are finite, and in this time of austerity more and more home-birthers are going to be told to get a private MW. Their current response totally undermines any reason why I would want to homebirth - i.e. having a nice relaxed experience and does come across as a threat, plain and simple - so I can totally understand how mad you are. BTW I'm not endorsing a private MW by any means (and hey who has the £xk you need to hire one!!!) a friend had one last year, who panicked when complications developed, refused to attend any further, called an ambulance - and has refused to refund any of the fee paid (foolishly in advance) to her. shock

Dixiebell Fri 05-Oct-12 14:09:11

VQ, I got called for jury service a few years back. I tried to get exempted for work reasons but in the end wasn't picked for final jury. But the judge was hardcore. It was going to be a long trial (actually the Glasgow airport bomb one it turned out), and there were people saying I'm supposed to be going on holiday to Australia with my family in a few weeks, all paid for, but they just got dismissed. I was disappointed as it would have been quite interesting, but work were pleased!

DonnaDoon Fri 05-Oct-12 14:26:04

I totally agree with VQ and I understand Detectives rights and wishes....but....is anyone else a tad concerned that our only resident midwife is so against giving birth in hospital....? LOL

ValiumQueen Fri 05-Oct-12 14:26:34

Thankfully it is just the local court so unlikely to be anything too long-running. Hopefully. They may just look at him and say no thank you.

StuntNun Fri 05-Oct-12 15:22:34

But it's one thing saying to Detective that they have finite resources and there is a possibility that a midwife may not be available when she goes into labour. From the e-mail it sounds as if they are positively trying to discourage her from having a home birth.

OT but my mum is an ex-midwife and she was telling me yesterday that once she slapped a woman in labour because she had crossed her legs just after the head came out shock. Apparently the woman was in panic and hyperventilating and decided to try and stop the baby coming out so my mum slapped her at which point she uncrossed her legs again! Imagine explaining to your supervisor why your patient has finger marks on her face!

Went to the massive Primark that's opened near me recently but wasn't overly impressed.
I got two pairs of pjs for me, long sleeved with 3 buttons at the top so handy for breastfeeding, £8 each though.

Couldn't find any long sleeved bodysuits for baby, no muslins either. I did get her 2 pairs of leggings and 2 matching tops about £3.50 per pair so not too bad. There was a sweet little soft padded coat but even that was £7, I really dont expect to pay that in Primark, I dont know if Im just being unrealistic now though but I remember a few years ago it was dead cheap.

Some of the clothes though are such a rip off now, DH was looking at pjs, £10 each! Better off going somewhere like Next and paying a few quid more for much better quality tbh.

Finally ordered a couple of presents for DH from River Island but had to pay £6 express delivery to make sure they arrived in time!

horseylady Fri 05-Oct-12 15:50:46

Stunt I said I couldnt be a mw today. On so many levels. Cancer much easier!! No less emotive but I don't know. I could see myself not being very sympathetic to someone being a drama queen yet devastated at a still birth?! Sheep and lambs are easier to deliver!!

There's too much choice around, people get too fixated on the perfect birth, trying to out do one another on lack of pain relief. I agree that birth plans (ESP regimented ones) could turn the whole experience into something very traumatic. I appreciate that sometimes it probably just is, but I have no major plan. It's get the baby out safely, ideally with minimal intervention but in all honesty, get him out, keep us both alive. Then I'll be happy.

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Fri 05-Oct-12 15:56:38

Hello all. Detective I think that is a good email and hopefully you will get the outcome you want, but if the reality is that there isnt going to be anyone available, no matter how unfair that is, do you need to consider a contingency plan?

horseylady Fri 05-Oct-12 16:07:48

Bloody dh!!!! We had had two boxes full of effing socks. I pit them out to be recycled today. I've just arrived home to find the full god damned bag of socks in the hall way. No word of a lie, he bought 20 pairs of socks the other day, there's a drawer full of sock after I matched s load up. We do no need any more effing socks!!! I said go through them, see if there's any more you want if not they're going. Two weeks later, nothing was changed so they got bagged up!!!!

He us such a hoarder. He's got to sort out this clothes and books yet ..... And I'm in nesting mode......god help this house hold!!!

ValiumQueen Fri 05-Oct-12 16:12:07

horsey make them into sock monkeys? If you cut them up, he has no choice. I feel for him though, as I am a hoarder too. Not sure why I still have my size 8 leather dress as I am never gonna fit in it again, and even if I could I am far too old.

Talking of weight, I have not put on an ounce since 32 weeks. I still weigh just a couple of pounds more than I did pre-pg. and it is not for lack of trying grin.

20 more sleeps.

horseylady Fri 05-Oct-12 16:21:40

Really?! I still have my wedding dress lol but no it's either sold or charity shopped!!

Seriously there's an old smelly brown jacket in the wardrobe too......that's going!!

MissMummy1 Fri 05-Oct-12 16:38:22

What do you buy a daddy-to-be who has everything and more for his birthday? DH's birthday is in a couple of weeks and I'm totally at a loss for what to get him. It's not a 'special' birthday (and in fairness, I still haven't forgiven him for buying me tyres for my car last year...). So far I have the Haynes baby manual (he has a haynes manual for every car he's ever owned - sympathise with the other hoarders' other halves on here!) but nothing else. I made him up a 'dad-to-be' kit for father's day so want to try and steer clear of too many baby-related things. Any suggestions appreciated. Preferably something to butter him up in anticipation for the breast feeding workshop on his birthday!

YellowWellies Fri 05-Oct-12 16:57:31

If he bought you tyres I'd buy something for the house or myself to be honest grin that'll learn him wink but possibly not the best idea if he needs persuasion to come to the BF thingy.

ValiumQueen Fri 05-Oct-12 17:00:47

Put a blow job voucher in an envelope, only redeemable once he has been to the BF workshop.

ValiumQueen Fri 05-Oct-12 17:01:29

I am pretty sure anything sex related will be gratefully received at this stage of the pregnancy.

missmummy I've just bought dh a jumper from River Island (it was reduced but sshh!) and a book also from RI which is full of funny answers to exam questions.

MissMummy1 Fri 05-Oct-12 17:13:27

LOL at Valium !! Redeemable sex vouchers may be the way forward. A bit like the IOU puppy I got for Valentine's day this year - turns out I can't actually redeem it and get a puppy when I want! sad YW he may still end up with a pink lining changing bag because I want one and can't justify buying it for myself. I've already decided to take him out for dinner, via the breastfeeding workshop first! DH21 I've bought him clothes the last 2 years and he only ever lives in the same things so they're pretty wasted on him. And we do not need any more books!!! Maybe I could buy him the bookcase I've been lusting after....

ShellyBobbs Fri 05-Oct-12 17:14:38


I've had my whooping cough vaccination. A phone call from the surgery saying come now.

Hurray, I feel so much better except wish I hadn't seen the bloody whooping cough thread now and gone on there first.

Might even sleep tonight. Yay!

ShellyBobbs Fri 05-Oct-12 17:16:06

VQ My hubby would love anything sex related right now grin, but he aint gonna get it......

I'm home from my mw appointment and all is well. I'm 34 weeks today and measuring 33 but mw didn't seem concerned as still growing steadily. Listened to baby when I was having a Braxton Hicks and his heartbeat was over 170bpm. She listened again after and it had gone down. She said it's nothing to worry about and good that he is reacting to the environment around him. She estimated he will be around 7lbs at birth so average or just under.

I didn't even have to ask about whooping cough. She brought it up and I made an appointment on my way out for the 15th. Stocks are coming in middle of next week but appointments next week are nearly full up already so sounds like a lot of women are choosing to have it. 15th suits me fine because I'll have finished work by then and still be just over 35 weeks.

ShellyBobbs Fri 05-Oct-12 17:23:03

Lovely Apple, my girls were 6lb 8 and my lad was 8lb, all easy to push out so it's a good weight smile

YellowWellies Fri 05-Oct-12 17:24:48

See I'm gagging for a fumble at the moment but have a DH who is suddenly squeamish about hurting the baby (I am tempted to reply 'it's not THAT big dear' grin) - possibly not helped that I mentioned I started producing colostrum yesterday. Damnit it's meant to be my libido that's affected!!! Admittedly it's possibly not easy finding a position at the moment that doesn't require a run up to get close to me grin I can see weeks and weeks of no nookie looming sad BJs are all well and good but to be honest not what I'm after fnar fnar...

YellowWellies Fri 05-Oct-12 17:26:33

I should stress that he is still very lovey, tactile and sweet, telling me he loves me and my preggo body is beautiful etc, so I shouldn't really complain, but m'eh... sometimes I think I'm such a bloke.

MissMummy1 Fri 05-Oct-12 17:28:17

Yay Shelly !!

I think I've just found the perfect thing here ! Will either help him mourn the loss of the landrover project I've made him get rid of, inspire him to get the other one finished, or be a kick in the teeth that his beloved discovery is going to the crusher? Any which way it will have to do!

ValiumQueen Fri 05-Oct-12 17:37:06

MM perfect gift (in a pink lining wrapper)

The whooping cough thread is getting nasty.

YW grin at you being a bloke! There are many many many ways to skin a cat, with or without him blush I think it is sweet that blokes worry about hurting the baby. It is motivated by love, and for anything to overwhelm their desire for sex which, let's face it, is pretty constant, that must be a pretty strong love.

YellowWellies Fri 05-Oct-12 17:43:05

Great gift idea MM1. I didn't realise he was mourning the loss of a Discovery - I thought it was a Defender (a very cool car that I could empathise re the loss of) - god Men are daft. I think the kit is a lovely idea xxx

Ah yes VQ there are indeed many ways to skin a cat - but m'eh not the same without him as it were. He is very very loving. I'm v lucky but whilst his favourite hobby at the moment is listening to the bumps heartbeat - I'm wishing it were a bit more carnal. I'll be the opposite once I'm BFing I'm sure... sigh.

NervousAt20 Fri 05-Oct-12 17:43:33

MM the pink lining bags are very nice

grin haha shelly glad you got your vaccine

YW my DP is the same. We went several weeks without any at all which has never happened in the 9 years we've been together. I asked if something was wrong or if he didn't like my pregnant body and he said no, he just doesn't want to hurt the baby and am I sure it's safe? Bless.

Dixiebell Fri 05-Oct-12 17:44:52

Had 8 toddlers and their mums round for DS's bday party this pm. Just said goodbye. My body aches. Gonna shut the door to the kitchen/diner and let DH clean up the residual mess once he's home from work. All i can manage now is back to back Peppa until bedtime smile

horseylady Fri 05-Oct-12 17:45:02

Shelly - you wish you'd not had it or read the thread to get it sooner?

What I don't understand, is that people are being hysterical about side effects etc. It's the exact sane vaccine that you will give your baby at 8 weeks? Yes it's different to the one being given in the states, but they operate a different health system to ours and it doesn't make it more correct. It's unethical to run tests on pregnant ladies, which is why hysterics like this occur. Plus there are so many things which can go wrong and undetected which may or may not be attributed to the vaccine.

It's a personal decision as to whether or not you have it, im
Sure it'll be the first of many we make. this is not new news, there has been a call for pregnant women to be vaccinated routinely for the last 18months, it's just taken this long for approval by nice.

At the moment the health officials feel the benefits outweigh the risks and I'll go with that!! Dh agrees. It's a vaccine routinely used in children, it's not a new vaccine. The baby will receive the vaccine at some point in his life if you chose to allow him to be vaccinated!

MissMummy1 Fri 05-Oct-12 17:52:00

YW I made him choose between his defender and discovery projects. The defender won, disco diva is off to the scrap yard if a buyer can't be found before November. Hoping the kit will inspire him to finish building his real life defender as I'm desperate to drive it! (and it won't look crap on the driveway like the crumbling discovery did). After spending hours racking my brains for ideas I'm quite chuffed with my ingenious idea!

I seem to have had a huge burst of energy today! Done 6 loads of washing, caught up with an old friend for lunch, cooked dinner and steam cleaned the bathroom for the third time this month (we're not dirty people honest! my mental pregnant brain keeps telling me it has to be 100000% spotless....)

ShellyBobbs Fri 05-Oct-12 17:56:05

Horsey I wish I'd never gone on the other thread, it's turned all political now slagging off all the women who have emailed their MPs lol. I've had to come off it smile

YellowWellies Fri 05-Oct-12 17:56:09

Ahhh good man - picking the Defender over the Disco.

Hehehe sounds like a great day - don't forget to leave some germs around for the baby's immune system to chew on though my lovely! Mindst you could always just bring them round to ours, that should do the trick...

YokoUhOh Fri 05-Oct-12 17:59:32

Hi fellow Novembermums...
...I just wanted to canvass opinion on how long people are working for. I'm due 22nd Nov but working full time until 37 weeks. My job's quite stressful (secondary teacher) and I'm on my feet all day. I had horrible sickness and faintness yesterday, plus was in school until after 8 with an open evening. Am I overdoing it?

ValiumQueen Fri 05-Oct-12 17:59:55

shelly the best and worst on MN on that thread. I have stepped back too.

NervousAt20 Fri 05-Oct-12 18:05:31

Maybe we need to start a list on the stats thread for the mummy's who have had their babies?

YellowWellies Fri 05-Oct-12 18:26:29

YokoUhOh I'm working until I drop - but then I'm freelance, can work from home and need to do this to make sure I get any maternity allowance from sodding HMRC! I'd be happy to quit a fortnight before I think but until then would probably get bored, mindst my work is mentally demanding but easy going in terms of stress / physicality.

kissyfur Fri 05-Oct-12 18:30:24

Think I'll steer clear of the whooping cough thread then!

yoko I'm working till 35 weeks, will be v glad to finish as I'm getting v tired now, plus I think I'm developing a waddle! blush

YokoUhOh Fri 05-Oct-12 18:30:42

Hi Yellow, I'm definitely worried about the boredom of pre-baby mat leave but I'm currently doing the odd 13 hour day and on my feet all the time, it just feels too much!

horseylady Fri 05-Oct-12 18:31:51

37 weeks yoko both jobs.

I think I've just lost my mucus plug......

YokoUhOh Fri 05-Oct-12 18:32:17

Hi Kissfur,, empathy on the waddle front (and the odd quack haha)

YellowWellies Fri 05-Oct-12 18:32:20

Wooo that does sound too much - when I WAH I don't even get out of my PJs. Hmmm if I were in your position I think i might quit earlier x

YokoUhOh Fri 05-Oct-12 18:33:16

So, basically, everyone else isn't taking it easy either?

YokoUhOh Fri 05-Oct-12 18:34:41

Sorry Kissyfur, my iPhone autocorrected you. I remember the TV programme from the 80s!

capedcrusader25 Fri 05-Oct-12 18:36:35

yokouhoh I finished on Wednesday (34 weeks) - I was due to finish closer to 36 weeks. But after a stint in hospital and a week off to recover I just knew when I went back I was doing more harm to myself than good. I work in a secondary school too and I was so sd to finish earlier than I wanted to. But I'm still only 70% on a good day and at my midwife appt on monday the bump growth has tailed off so I know I was pushing myself too much sad

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 05-Oct-12 18:36:58

I had my flu and whooping cough jabs today. I have to say despite the overriding advice to have them I will not stop wondering whether I have done the right thing until I have a healthy baby in my arms. Hopefully not too long left for worrying.

I'm working full time until 35 weeks and I have a desk job where I'm sitting down most of the day. If I was on my feet all day I don't think I could work that late Yoko. I'm sure i'll be bored at home after 2 weeks but the tiredness is building now.

Sophiathesnowfairy Fri 05-Oct-12 18:38:30

What horsey??? Pray tell! I have never lost mine before and have carefully retained it.

capedcrusader25 Fri 05-Oct-12 18:38:52

horsey are you ok? How many weeks are you again? [Blush] I don't know much about the mucus plug so don't know what the next steps are! Great aren't I?!

I don't want to ignore your post horsey but I'm a bit clueless. Should you be calling anyone? Have you got any other signs that things are progressing?

Catbag Fri 05-Oct-12 18:48:51

Horsey Losing the plug is a sign that things are warming up for labour, but it is not certainly imminent- could be a week or so before anything happens, could be an hour, everyone's different. Keep an eye on developments-leaking waters (they don't always gush), BH that seem to be getting regular or slightly less comfortable etc- but don't worry too much. How many weeks are you now?

Chunkychicken Fri 05-Oct-12 18:50:28

Hi all!!! Long time no post... So glad to hear the lovely twins news and that things generally seem to be going well for most. Have only skimmed so sorry if I've missed anything bad/stressful/concerning - hope those pregnancy niggles aren't getting anyone down too much.

I'm nearly 34wks now. Have had my scan, my placenta has shifted, so hoping for the home birth I had wanted. We didn't see anything definite as to sex, so we're still team yellow (but definitely leaning towards the pink team, without any real evidence! wink ). Scan also suggested baby was 4lb 12oz at 32wks, so VERY different to DD, who was 6lb 5oz at 39+3!! (Although very much aware that the estimates can be wildly inaccurate.)

Been having stomach/back twinges a lot this wk. Think it might be muscular/digestion related but not sure if its braxton hicks either. Either way, baby needs to stay put!!!

Yoko I too am a secondary teacher, although only doing 3 days a wk as I have a 2.5yo. Our autumn break starts on 19/10 so I'm stopping work then (as I near 36wks) which is about right for me. I stopped at 37wks with my DD, again at the Easter break, and felt it couldn't have been a day later. I was exhausted and fed up. I just had to learn to do as much as I could - some things have to slide and you have to put yourself first. If the books don't get marked, because you were at parents eve or open eve, or because you were planning a good lesson, so be it. I also teach sitting down much more now. OfSted would fail me as I rarely circulate the room & I get the kids to come to me more, but hey, I'm pregnant and it'll be business as usual next year!!

Seeing MW on Tues so will ask about home birth & WC jab. Having flu jab on Fri, so will maybe contact the GP & get both if the MW is unprepared!!

Nervous I think a 'post-natal' stats thread with names & weights etc would be a lovely idea, so occassional/rare posters like me could quickly catch-up!!

Oh and, if you haven't bought the mattress protection sheets yet - buy Huggies dry nites matress protectors. Much bigger than the maternity ones & possibly cheaper...

horseylady Fri 05-Oct-12 18:51:29

No just a couple of bh. But that's normal.

Just got out the bath, large glob of mucus came out. Think it's quite common. Am going out of my leaving do (the big one!!) so I think it's ok. There was no blood so maybe it was just part of it? Was just a bit odd??!! They do say you can lose it in the weeks (I'm 36+1).

Baby moving happily even better news is I'm in (comfortably!!!) my size 10 black Hobbs dress!!!!!!!! It's stretchy but it looks good!!!!! I'm so happy!!!!! Now to see if I can tolerate my red beautiful irregular choice shoes or not??!!

ValiumQueen Fri 05-Oct-12 18:52:01

I think the plug can go and everything be fine. It is when waters go you need to act. The waters are the bit that keep everything infection free.

yoko I officially start Mat Leave on Monday at nearly 37 weeks, but have not been in work since 23 weeks. This is my third, I am very old and was very unwell with DC2. I had planned to start Mat Leave at 29 weeks to keep myself as well as possible as I have a 2yo to hobble after. I broke my leg though, which bought me an extra 8 weeks sick leave (not on purpose you understand). I worked much later with my first and she was very late. Only you can decide. If you feel you are overdoing it, then stop. It does not make you a better person and is not a contest. We are all different, and have different challenges and physical responses. You are welcome to hang around btw.

Dixiebell Fri 05-Oct-12 18:53:09

I'm working to 37 weeks but am p/t and have a desk job. I'm knackered after looking after DS all day, don't know how I'd cope with a classroom full! But I think you just have to go on how you feel.

I think mucus plug can go quite far ahead of anything actually happening. My notes say no need to call hospital or mw unless there is a lot of blood with it. I never noticed mine go last time, but waters broke at 40 + 5.

kissyfur Fri 05-Oct-12 18:53:14

smile you're the first person to say they remember the cartoon yoko

Oo horsey have you any other signs that something's happening? Are you ok? I remember when I lost my mucous plug when having DD, it was mainly clear with bits of red, very jelly like and there was loads of it. Sorry if that was TMI!

jenbird Fri 05-Oct-12 18:53:32

I hardly ever post on here as can't keep up but do follow as much as possible.
Horsey - your mucous plug can go pretty early I think without it necessarily meaning you will go into labour. Apparently in can regenerate too. Mine went at 37 + 6 with ds 1 but he was born 5 days later. Good luck x

GTbaby Fri 05-Oct-12 18:54:51

wow, 5 pages in.

not caught up, so hope all is well.

had my last day at school/work today smile feels weird, and came home and signed up to netflicks lol so i can now lazz around in bed for a few weeks watching up on loads of movies and tv shows i have missed smile dexter and the wire are first on my list.

off to make dinner so will catch up later in bed

StuntNun Fri 05-Oct-12 18:55:51

Yoko I worked to 38 weeks last time round and it was a bit tough, and that was in a desk job. If you start to struggle towards the end you can always get a sick note which would start your maternity leave early.

Peaky1 Fri 05-Oct-12 18:56:23

Losing the mucus plug is one of the first early signs on labour for some but I've been taught that it's quite vague as to how long the wait is between then and anything else happening. It can be as long as a couple of weeks or as short as within hours. Exciting Horsey! I would say make sure you're prepared just in case anything else happens and give your MW a ring tomorrow to let them know and discuss.

My DP has just left to go to his parent's home in Watford until tomorrow night and he's been texting me from the train asking me politely to not go into labour while he's gone (even though a friend/parent could get him back here in 2 hours). I won't tell him about you Horsey as you're only a day behind me for gestation!!

I wonder how Evil is getting on...

Shelly - nice one on the jabs. Sod what anyone else thinks! I've felt a bit rough today following my jabs yesterday but it's passed now.

Detective - I wish you could temporarily move to my area for your birth. I have had the opposite treatment and a home birth was suggested at my very first MW appointment when she was pleased that I was low risk. I actually said no at first but then got more confident with it the more I researched it. In fact, I've got them begging me to go into labour during the day so they can bring a student with them! I told them if the student is that desperate to see one then they'll get up in the night, ha! I hope that didn't sound smug or anything like that. I just wanted to point out that it isn't a national NHS scandal to deter people from home births. It seems they're the opposite here and are more pro-community. I really, really hope you get the birth you dream of smile.

ValiumQueen Fri 05-Oct-12 18:56:50

horsey I am sure you look awesome. I am not jealous at all grin

ValiumQueen Fri 05-Oct-12 18:59:26

GT a fellow Dexter fan! I caught up on net flix, and DH has just bought season 4. How is it possible to love a serial killer?

YokoUhOh Fri 05-Oct-12 19:00:31

Thanks ladies, you're all lovely. Chunkychicken our half term isn't 'til the 29th (8 week half term, grr) so I'm stopping then. I think I might have a chat with the HR lady and ask if it's okay to duck out early if I've got a free period etc.

pikz Fri 05-Oct-12 19:07:46

Another one here struggling to keep up!

Hope Evil is ok and there is news soon. I'm working til 36 weeks with a week and a bit hols so official maternity leave starts at 37. I work 13 hour days and am starting to find it a struggle somedays now.

Bimbledorf Fri 05-Oct-12 19:31:00

Hi everyone, please can I rejoin 6 months later blush I feel really bad as I didn't want to come in and say hello without having followed the thread all along but I've been trying to catch up over the last few days.

ANYWAY hope all is good with you Evil and lovely to see the rest of you still on here and with a few early arrivals!! So glad to hear that things are going well with them all.

I am currently 34 weeks but have randomly developed Obstetric Cholestasis so won't be going over 38 weeks apparently before they induce me. It might even be an October baby - possibly Halloween hmm Being monitored regularly and taking some lovely bile tablets and all is currently well with baby and I feel no effects apart from the insane itching. It's very odd that I have it seeing as this is pregnancy number 3 and I've seemingly never had it before! I know no pregnancy is the same but still it seems odd.

I will try and keep up now till the end. Enjoy your weekends - hope you all manage some rest in amongst the pregnancy insomnia.

ValiumQueen Fri 05-Oct-12 19:41:03

bimble welcome back. Even regulars find it hard to keep up, so do not feel you need to apologise. Rotten about the OC. The itching must be horrid.

Hi pikz how are you?

izzy would you consider a section? Possibly not worth it for a week, as that is all it would give you. Perhaps rub up against bimble and see if you can catch OC to gain you two weeks? In relation to the morphine, many of the ladies I deal with inject God knows what while pregnant, and their babies are generally ok. Your baby is so well developed now, it would be a safe, clean, monitored therapeutic dose, so I would have a talk with your doctor. Yes, it is not ideal, but neither is the stress and pain you are going through at the moment. It is not something they offer lightly. Maybe it would be a better option now x

ValiumQueen Fri 05-Oct-12 19:43:26

Yes, I know you cannot catch OC. Feeble attempt at humour, sorry.

izzy I can totally sympathise, most days now I'm stuck downstairs because I simply cannot walk, it's agony, really bad. I have crutches and support belts but neither take away the fact that my pelvis is in constant pain. sad
They keep offering me Co codine and its various forms even though they have been told I'm allergic angry

I used to take Oramorph on a 4 hr basis all
of last year, I had chronic endometriosis and it was the only thing that helped, living in a morphine bubble wasn't pleasant but the relief of not being in pain after so long was enough to make me weep with relief. They've not suggested it this time though. I'm 35 weeks today and am praying this little man comes at 37 weeks like DS2 did, I cannot take 5 more weeks of this let alone 7 if I go over due! I have midwife Monday and a scan/consultant apt on the 12th, my consultant has so far been very sympathetic and sensible, I'm going to discuss induction/csection at 38/39 weeks if this gets worse.

ShellyBobbs Fri 05-Oct-12 19:55:39

VQ Loved the slamming of doors grin

I've never lost my mucus plug either, although when I had my water infection a few weeks ago I did lose something that was not discharge but very firm and looked like opaque jelly, but it was only as big as a 50p so didn't worry about it.

I remember last time about a few days before I had my daughter, I was stood in the shower and discharge was just dripping out of me ewwwwww.

So Horsey you're still none the wiser smile but fingers crossed for soon?

Yes, looks like Evil is either near to or currently having lovely baby cuddles.

pikz Fri 05-Oct-12 19:57:36

I'm good Valium just tired and glad it's Friday! How are you?

The feeble attempt at humour very much made me laugh...we should rename this the uncomfortable and tired thread...am 34 weeks on Monday and very much looking forward to baby being here.

Peaky1 Fri 05-Oct-12 20:00:08

Really sorry as I know we tend to have Braxton Hicks questions all the time. I'm sat on my gym ball in the living room and my bump is feeling particularly tight at times (not painful) but it's in the upper middle part. The sides don't feel rock solid much. At first I just thought he's moved his bum and back directly to the centre of my bump but he doesn't normally feel like this hmm

Just marking my place

Passmethecrisps Fri 05-Oct-12 21:01:26

Hello ladies!

Last day of work for meeeee. My goodness I am pooped - not a day too soon I think. yoko I am a secondary teacher and I finished for October hols today at 35+2. Hols last a fortnight so officially my mat leave starts at 37 weeks. I think I could manage one more week but it would be a stretch. My lack of speed makes it hard to move from one side f the building to another which I need to do multiple times a day.

My hands have been getting sore. Like tight and stiff - I need to keep flexing my fingers. Any ideas ladies?

Welcome back bumble. When I left for work at 7:45 this morning we still had about 20 posts on the old thread - I get home and we are 6 pages in to this one.

Lost mucus plugs and waters breaking suddenly makes all this terribly real and present. When to start the raspberry leaf tea?

Have a good night out horsey!

blonderthanred Fri 05-Oct-12 21:06:13

Just back from the Baby & Toddler event at Bluewater, it was really nice and not too busy. Lots of non-essential but fun things to waste spend money on, DH got his Cuddledry towel that he has coveted for ages and I got a M&P stripey blanket, and we got some other bits and pieces.

Had my WC jab this morning and booked for Flu next week, luckily had no side effects as I had to drive back on the rainy dark trafficky M25.

On the topic of maternity leave, I was due to leave at 37w but as I'm being induced at 38w, I have just finished at 35w. I have to say I'm very glad I don't have another 2 weeks to traipse up and down stairs, I was pretty tired in the last week or so. One of the few good things about the early induction.

YokoUhOh Fri 05-Oct-12 21:23:08

Passmethecrisps - ah, the 2-week half term holiday! Makes total sense, why do we only get a week? I'm finding it hilarious being a pregnant teacher; the kids come up to me and ask how 'Jermaine' is (at no point have I threatened to call him Jermaine). Also, all the boys think that somehow I'm going to name him after them.

Passmethecrisps Fri 05-Oct-12 21:32:01

The super-ego of adolescence!

Passmethecrisps Fri 05-Oct-12 21:33:47

We do get one less at summer. I know what I prefer though! Certainly this year.

I find the funny sideways glances kids give amusing/disconcerting. I teach sex ed a lot and I know they are looking at me thinking "you've had sex! At least once!"

ValiumQueen Fri 05-Oct-12 21:42:24

pass could your hands be swollen? That would explain the stiffness.

Passmethecrisps Fri 05-Oct-12 21:46:23

Maybe ever so slightly. Not massively.

MissMummy1 Fri 05-Oct-12 21:47:22

Carpal tunnel syndrome pass ? I was told I probably had it at about 22 weeks although it's touchwood eased off alot now. At one point I couldn't even hold a cup my hands were so stiff and sore!

DH nipped out to tesco tonight to "get some beers incase the guy next door comes round". He came back with hungry caterpillar pjs! V cute! And some more vests - silly man obviously wasn't listening when I sad we need sleepsuits, NOT more vests! Bless him...

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Fri 05-Oct-12 21:57:54

I'm working until next Friday, when I will be 36 week, and am booked in for my section exactly 3 weeks later. Am tired but feeling ok, could probably keep working for longer, but want some time to self and some time with DD before.

GTbaby Fri 05-Oct-12 21:58:13

VQ only ever watched one dexter episode. So loads to watch! Looking forward to it.

yoko fellow secondary teacher. Last day was today at 36+4. Last day was meant to b at 37+4. But I have really struggled this week. Pelvic pain has been awful for last 3 weeks. Did part time last week with a reduced hours letter from dr. But had to do full time this week or it wud trigger start of my mat leave. I don't think I would have made another week without major tears.

I've stayed seated all week -term- kids come to me when they need help. Meant to greet students at the door, I wave them in thro window from my desk sitting down. I've had a lot to do for hand over as I am curriculum leader. Also had exams meeting with head yesterday, open evening Tuesday. Had to write initial reports for year 7 & 9 before leaving. SO lots to do. But now I'm done -except the year 9 worksheets that ill have to do on Monday and email in, as I've been meaning to do them since before summer holidays-

Everyone is different! Quite a few family members have said they worked until few days before due date! N I felt the pressure to stay at work longer. But the pain is not worth it. Nor is the tiredness n exhausting feeling. I'm now in the opinion of - ill have the baby very soon, so I'm gone chill for a bit. grin.

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Fri 05-Oct-12 22:10:13

Thanks for that valium I think I may get GP appt to discuss the morphine. I'm just in agony now. I don't think I want a c section as recovery likely to be longer and then I'd have to not drive after for a bit which would be difficult with existing DD. that's the annoying thing, they schedule c sections for 39 weeks so why not let me have induction then instead?

tits sorry to hear you sure struggling too. You may be lucky and go into labour early again then? I wish I could have baby soon

I'm hoping I do, although I was the same with SPD with DS2 and the pain was so bad u didn't realise I was in labour until I was 10cm! I didn't feel the contractions or the urge to push or anything, luckily i was st a routine hosp apt, I'm terrified that will happen again but at home or out.

kissyfur Fri 05-Oct-12 22:17:12

Bloody hell tits that must have been awful! Hope you and izzy get to have your babies soon, it sounds like you are really suffering

CandyPop Fri 05-Oct-12 23:09:17

pass I have mild carpal tunnel syndrome for the last 2 weeks. Nights are worse as I often wake up to numb and stiff hands. Gets slightly better during day and repeats at night. Told it will disappear after baby is born .... Hmmm....

I'm so ready to have this baby now. Sleeping is getting very uncomfortable now sad

Working up to 37+4 days!!

TheDetective Fri 05-Oct-12 23:56:55

Back from work - no reply to email (not a surprise!)

VQ This is a common tactic yes. The problem is that I see it from the other end. What makes it so unacceptable to me is that when there are staffing issues the first port of call is often the community midwives - pull the community midwife in. Stop the home births. Rather than shutting the unit to any further admissions (hardly ideal either, but remember, neither scenario is ideal!) because that will come with a fine, lets stop the home births because its free!!

I might be a bit of a hippy one - I make no apologies for the fact, but I believe strongly in a womans right to choose. Trusts set up all these guidelines - which make no acknowledgement for choice, or disagreement with medical opinion. Research does not always give accurate answers. And the guidelines may not be based on sound unbiased research (in my opinion). A guideline should just be that. Women are free to accept or decline intervention/procedures. And as a midwife, we are supposed to be an advocate for women and their wishes! I might be employed by a Trust, but I am bound by the NMC, and I'd rather lose my job providing supportive care to a woman, than my registration by not supporting a woman and her taking me to the NMC. If in doubt, I would always refer to my NMC guidance. My registration is what is important to me.

In my ideal world, I would not be working in the NHS. But that is another tale! In the meanwhile, I follow the guidelines like a 'good' midwife, but I am always ready to advocate for what my women want, and would never bully or make someone feel they had to accept a particular type of care. Advocacy is my specialist subject grin I have supported a lot of women in hospital who have wanted varying types of care, and I'd like to think they have been pleasantly surprised to find midwives working in the system who WILL provide the care they want.

Likewise, there are midwives out there who would not be happy to do this.

Anyway, what I am really trying to say is that maternity services are a right. And the right to have a midwife attend at birth outweighs the Trusts need to save money by reducing staffing, or cancelling homebirths as the first port of call.

In my heart, I believe that if I rang in labour, and refused to attend hospital, that there would be a midwife sent. Not from the unit, no, but a supervisor of midwives is always on call - and in this scenario, would she be able to not attend? I doubt it. I'm fairly certain on the fact that no Trust would want the fall out if the above scenario where to occur. I've known many women be told the same tack, and to call in labour and be told no midwife can attend. Low and behold when they refuse to attend, a midwife is found. I can't say I've seen it from my end, but I've certainly known it happen to women.

The point of my email is that I feel so unsupported with my wishes, and worried that the stress is going to be detrimental if I have to argue and stand my ground when in labour. It isn't the time to have to do that! I've made it clear from the start I'd not be attending unless in an obstetric emergency, and there has been plenty of time to come up with a plan, but none has been made. And it isn't through lack of effort on my behalf. I'm sure they just hoped/expected I would go away!

As for an independent midwife - if they can't provide a home birth service, then I'd be quite happy for them to contract services to an independent midwife. At their expense of course. smile (It has happened elsewhere....)

Donna putting aside any professional experiences, with in 4 weeks after DS's birth, I knew I wanted, and needed to birth my next child at home, away from a medical setting. This is my personal, not professional opinion. I wasn't a midwife back then, and being a midwife hasn't changed how I feel. It isn't lack of confidence in midwives or obstetricians, but lack of confidence in myself to be able to birth. Lack of control, which I need in order not to have years of torment inside me at what happened first time around. It is about keeping me safe, both physically and mentally, and providing my baby with the safest birth I can. Safe to me is many things - equipment and medical staff do not equal safety to me. You can have all the medical equipment in the world at your disposal - but it doesn't mean you can't cause more harm than good with it. Appropriate intervention is how I like to see it.

Ummmm. This is an emotive subject blush

TheDetective Sat 06-Oct-12 00:02:05

I think the baby is trying to engage. Having some leg clenching, face scrunching sharp pains in the fanjo. Lovely! They are making me really wince! Gah!

Add to that the braxton hicks, and the rather active baby, I'm getting beat up from the inside! Tis a little sore now!

I remember this from last time.... my how it seems 5 minutes since...!

Had a row with DP. Now walking the dog alone in the rain because I had to get out. I really dislike him right now and don't think there will be a wedding

TheDetective Sat 06-Oct-12 00:14:27

What happened Apple? Men can be such idiots sometimes..... I'm a little worried you are out alone at gone midnight though sad Can't say I haven't done it myself, but I always worry about others being out alone...

Iheartpasties Sat 06-Oct-12 00:45:10

oooof, not a great nights sleep. We had dd in with us all night coz she wasn't well, of course she slept on my pillow all night so I hadno room. I dont have much room as it is!! argh! dear of her though she seems much better this morning. I do love having her in our bed for cuddles, but turning over is very hard when there is NO room.

apples are you ok?

GTbaby Sat 06-Oct-12 01:44:24

Itchiness. I'm sure I've heard about it being bad in pregnancy? I've noticed it last few days. But only in evening. Is it possible it's in my head? It's driving me nuts.

Iheartpasties Sat 06-Oct-12 03:00:35

I have seen a few threads recently about itchiness in pregnancy. I don't know anything about it though - sorry.

ShellyBobbs Sat 06-Oct-12 04:02:53

And Helllooooooo 4am club. Well, I actually haven't been to sleep since Wednesday night. I think the babies head has just nearly popped out of my bum, it's doing a funny roll back and forth a bit like a screw driver and I felt like I was going to break wind and fart it out (lovely). Lots of lovely pressure pains, belly ache and movement in the fanjo from baba in the last few hours.

Thank you mother nature, it's not like I need to sleep or anything smile

ShellyBobbs Sat 06-Oct-12 04:05:29

Detective Have sent you the name of my new midwife, do you know her? She did say she's been doing it years.

Iheartpasties Sat 06-Oct-12 04:14:41

oh my goodness shelly imagine farting the baby out. Wehn i was little i thought you could choose where the baby came out, your fanny or your bum. But I thought your fanny was called a 'bagina'!! hehe

ShellyBobbs Sat 06-Oct-12 04:17:55

Haha. I was telling my kids about my flat poo the other day and how the babies head must be flattening it (we have many a conversation about poo), my 10 year old son must have been pondering it all night because the next day he came into my bedroom and asked me if the baby has now got my poo all over it's head grin I looked at him and said, 'Joe, the poo's up the wrong street isn't it?', he looked at me for a few seconds, enlightenment dawned, then he burst out laughing grin.

Iheartpasties Sat 06-Oct-12 04:32:59


DonnaDoon Sat 06-Oct-12 05:06:06

Apple hope you tucked up now....Detective Fair play to you chick I really hope you get what you need. I cant sleep so have got up for coffee (tut tut)

ShellyBobbs Sat 06-Oct-12 05:15:33

Wonder how Evil is doing, she must have a little bundle by now............

ShellyBobbs Sat 06-Oct-12 06:04:05

Right, off for a long soak then will try and kick hubby out of bed and get a few hours snoozing in.

rowingdowntheriver Sat 06-Oct-12 06:37:19

Ooh, I missed the 4am club. That must be a first.

Nothing exciting going on here, DH off on a stag do today so my parents are coming up and we're going to go into London to visit one of the museums or gallery's. No sure which one yet but hopefully one that is entertaining enough for my 1 1/2 year old DS. Any ideas?

Iheart, definitely call your maternity ward/midwife today about the itchiness. It could be a sign of something (can't remember the name of the condition) that is serious enough for them to want to induce the baby a bit early, especially if the itching is mainly in the hands. Hopefully it is nothing.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 06-Oct-12 06:59:12

I think itchiness of palms and feet is a sign of obstetric cholitus ( can't think how to spell it so won't even try), if it's the bump it's probably stretching skin as don't we grow most in our last four weeks? Could be completely wrong there!

On this this thing about kids early waking suddenly over the last few week. Don't think I have gone mad(which actually I may have done) but someone said yesterday loads of people are having sleep issues becaus of the full moon and inparticular its alignment with Jupiter! I looked it up and sure enough there is something weird in the planets at the mo which only happens once in 100 years or something but I haven't found anything about sleep.

Passmethecrisps Sat 06-Oct-12 07:35:23

Morning. I think carpal tunnel is the answer - I woke up with pins and needles. Finished work not a minute too soon!

Hope you are ok apple.

sophia that sound about right! Ask any teacher about the effect of a windy day on children and you will be left convinced of the impact nature has!

ValiumQueen Sat 06-Oct-12 07:44:17

AFAIK sophie is right about the itching, but best report it anyway.

detective thank you for your frank and open reply. It is interesting how my fear draws me to machines and clinicians, and yours drives you away. The idea of a home birth so appeals to me, but it also fills me with terror. You are very brave, and I so wish you get the birth you want. I think your baby will be half the size of my lump, plus you are half my age, which no doubt helps.

apple I do hope you are ok x

rowingdowntheriver Sat 06-Oct-12 07:52:33

I'm intrigued passmee, what does a windy day do to children?!

StuntNun Sat 06-Oct-12 07:57:26

Rowing the Natural History Museum - lots of animals, the blue whale and dinosaurs plus the huge dinosaur in the entrance hall. Any child would love it. If you're near the British Museum, you could nip in and see the Rosetta stone and the Elgin marbles while we still have them. Not so interesting for a toddler though.

Itching in the bump is just the skin stretching and is merely annoying. When you have obstetric cholestasis you will be so itchy you'll contemplate taking a cheese grater to your skin and this needs to be checked out urgently.

I would urge anyone with carpal tunnel syndrome to ask their GP for splints. You only need to wear them at night and they hold your wrist in a position so the nerves don't get squashed.

I've been checking evils fb profile but nothing on there. Not sure if she posts on there much though so we might hear it here first.

horseylady Sat 06-Oct-12 08:44:55

Fab night last night!! Was lovely to get dressed up and feel good! B

Shattered now and do not want to work all weekend sad

Apple hope you're ok?!

rowingdowntheriver Sat 06-Oct-12 09:01:34

Thanks stuntnun, the natural history museum sounds good. I think we'll try that

Bimbledorf Sat 06-Oct-12 09:05:44

Definitely get the itching checked out gtbaby I had been itching all over for a couple of weeks before I rang the midwife. I only rang to ask if I was allowed to take piriton and she said yes but go get bloods taken to rule out obstetric cholestasis as whilst unlikely if it is that its very important that its found out so you can be treated. It turns out i do have the condition, have had regular scans and monitoring since and am taking a tablet 4 times a day to control the level of bile acids in the blood. I will also be induced no later than 38 weeks. From what I can tell, with the constant monitoring and medicine baby should be absolutely fine but it is essential that you get any itching checked out just in case. Also I only had one day when my palm itched, my soles never have. The itching is mainly on my arms, legs, neck, face and back!
take care

sad weepy morning, I'm meant to be having my flu jab at 10am but its just taken 30 minutes to turn over in bed which caused a flood of tears because it hurt so damn much. I cannot do this for potentially another 7 weeks. sad

Elizadoesdolittle Sat 06-Oct-12 09:21:37

rowing also go to the science museum as well. Is right next door to the natural history museum and has lots of gadgets for children to touch and play with. Well worth doing both. Have a good day.

I have had a stitch for 24 hours and counting. It's very irritating and slowing me down. Not that I wasn't slow enough!! And another lovely 4am wake up for me. These planets have a lot to answer for if its due to that. But I feel the baby is more to blame.

Got a nice day lined up seeing various friends and then a lazy evening with a friend, take away, strictly and X factor. I love strictly. Then tomorrow off to the baby and toddler show. blonder I've been meaning to get one of those towels too so will pick one up. It's one of the only things I didn't get with DD but I wish I had.

Have a good weekend everyone.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 06-Oct-12 09:21:38

Oh tits my heart goes out to you. I hope you are getting lts of support at home.


shanelle5 Sat 06-Oct-12 09:23:33

Morning all, just sitting relaxing in bed with my laptop and coffee thinking that I should make the most of it as there's not too many weekends left of being able to be lazy! (ish, as other DC do hinder somewhat!)
Quite keen to hear from EVIL and APPLE this morning, hope both are well.
Anyone else feeling really hormonal again recently? Ive noticed this week I go rather quickly from feeling quite content in myself and excited about baby, enjoying my day to teary and quite low feeling all sad and pathetic? Seems to come and go on a daily basis and isnt too much fun blush

DebussyHead Sat 06-Oct-12 09:34:13

Wow this thread moves fast! Might actually be able to catch up now I am officially on mat leave. Yay!

DebussyHead Sat 06-Oct-12 09:43:16

Shanelle I have been v hormonal and emotional last 5 days. Wasn't before just started now and seem to burst into tears at least once a day often for ridiculous reasons. blush

Yeh im fine. I just feel like he's not supporting me as much as he should. I'm 8 months pregnant so he should be stepping up and helping me out more. If anything he's doing less. We're fine this morning, he kissed me when he went out but I'm still a bit annoyed. He needs a kick up the backside.

Keep thinking about evil. I wonder if she's had baby yet?

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 06-Oct-12 10:25:05

Glad things are somewhat better than last nigh apple

I forgot to mention, when I went to the midwife yesterday I asked whether the hospital I am going to didn't do sweeps, as I had heard this. Apparently not. How bizarre it seems like a no brainer. Anyway she has agreed to come and give me a sweep, if I go over due, at home, once I have an induction date.

On that note, if I get an induction date that is a Sat or a Sun can I refuse on the grounds that staffing levels are lighter on the ground on Sats and Suns. I really would rather not be being induced at the weekend. Obviously if I go into labour naturally at this time it can't be helped but if there is a choice.....? Or is that just silly? Or is it my right to have a preference if I am being induced?

Thechick Sat 06-Oct-12 10:30:11

Rowing I second the science museum. They have a bit downstairs that is water play, and they have a sound bit right next to it which ds used to love. The princess of Wales memorial garden is good fun as well if you are in the Kensington area. Used to love taking ds there.

blonderthanred Sat 06-Oct-12 10:35:25

Enjoy the baby & toddler show Eliza. It's not too big which is good at this stage! But nice to wander slowly round and some fun bits to be had.

ValiumQueen Sat 06-Oct-12 10:37:34

The hormones were really bad last week but seem to have eased a bit. The worry around the WC did not help any.

Have taken DH to work and landed on grandparents at 8.30 and staying for lunch, for which I am most grateful.

tits so sorry honey. If it was anything other than a baby we would not tolerate this. I remember last time I was in a similar state and thank God that I am better this time. At times I thought of harming myself it was that bad, but you cannot even do that because of the baby. It was a hellish time, and the section pain was nothing compared. I was so glad I had a section date to work to. I do not know why I feel better this time, I think stopping work so early helped, and eight weeks of sat on my arse with my foot, but I also weigh so much less this time. At delivery it looks as if I will weigh three stone less than last time as I just do not seem to be putting on any weight at all. Baby is big, but nowhere as big as the last one in the way I am carrying him. With DD2 I had a shelf that was her butt from under my chest. Boy is lower and tum more pointy so have soreness above tummy button as skin is stretching there. I did not think my skin could stretch any more!

ValiumQueen Sat 06-Oct-12 10:43:20

sophia I doubt they would give you a date for induction that landed on a weekend. I found mine kept being put back as there were others in labour and others in more urgent need to be induced. They will only do emergency sections at the weekend also.

apple glad you are ok. Men just do not understand. They think you just feel a bit fatter, like a beer belly.

MissMummy1 Sat 06-Oct-12 11:09:40

Fell asleep again for 4 hours this morning after taking DH to work! Need some of yesterday's energy back so I can finish blitzing the house - got an old uni friend staying tonight and my office/spare room is a tip!!

TheDetective Sat 06-Oct-12 11:16:50

VQ You're welcome! It can be difficult to articulate why I feel the way I do.

I find that those who have had traumatic births either go to one 'extreme' or the other. Most go the way of wanting elective caesarean, some go to the polar opposite of refusing to birth in a hospital setting. I initially went the way of wanting ELLSCS for the first 4 weeks after DS's birth. But I suddenly and unexpectedly started to question and research what had happened. And with in days found myself at a total opposite view point for my personal circumstance. For me, it was the cascade of intervention and the fear that lead to DS's birth being a completely horrific experience.

I don't think anyone is wrong in the birth they choose. I don't think women should do one thing or another, all they should do is what is right for them. And should be supported in that choice (even if it isn't one we would agree with).

I just had the best nights sleep all week!!! Yeah, I woke at 5, and didn't get back to sleep til after 7, but I've just surfaced now and feel like a new woman! Even when I woke, I didn't do anything, just lay there and relaxed. I didn't get up, or come on the computer! Feel so much better for it!! I hope those planets are buggering off now grin Currently enjoying a breakfast of Galaxy caramel and 2 packs of french fries, in bed, bought to me by DS (how could I refuse!) and the fact that from midnight til 11am, I managed to not need to get up for a wee! HELL YEAH!!!

Am on another late today, but an early tomorrow, so you can guarantee I won't wake at 5, but will struggle to drag myself out of bed at 6 for work!!!

Apple, I find constant reminders are the only thing that work here. I'm hoping that one day, he will learn! I do despair at times though, just how thoughtless he can be. Yet other times be so good... just get it on an even keel! Arghhh! I hope you can have a chat shout at him til he listens about it, and get him to see that this time in your lives is the time he needs to step up to the plate and prove himself a worthy and supportive partner.

TheDetective Sat 06-Oct-12 11:24:13

Sophia The staffing levels are the same at the weekends to be honest. Well everywhere I have worked is... There are the same number of midwives on duty, and then there is a Registrar and SHO on call, and the Consultant will be on call, either from home, or may be in the hospital.

In the week the only difference is that there are more 'other' services open, such as the pharmacy, clinics etc. That means there are more doctors in the hospital, but they still don't cover the wards in the same way. It is still usually down to the on call doctors. Many midwives do the inductions now anyway. Where I used to work midwives did all the inductions after the doctor had agreed to it. Where I am now we are only allowed to do the over due inductions, not the inductions for medical reasons. But to be honest, inductions at a weekend are no different in terms of delays or care than in the week? And as there are no elective c/s at the weekend, often get done more promptly (in my gaff anyway!). Don't let it being the weekend put you off unless you have been told specifically by your hospital that there are less staff of a weekend (although I can't see how there can be less - that wouldn't be safe!)

But you can decline IOL on a particular date if you wish. It just might be that they can't fit you in on the next week day though, and you may end up waiting another day or two longer...?

Been food shopping (expensive weekly chore) not sure what else we're doing today.
It's always me that wants to do things, if it was upto dh he'd stay in all day watching tv/ playing Xbox. Sooooo boooored.

TheDetective Sat 06-Oct-12 11:31:30

You can go to work for me DH I'm sure they wouldn't notice grin

I don't wanna goooooooooooo! I want to laze around all day! sad

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sat 06-Oct-12 11:51:32

In just popping in while in getting ready to go out! My friend has arranged a baby shower for me, its usually done by work but cos I was signed off at 27 weeks noone seems to care! We are going for afternoon tea :-) I love cakes! Just trying to get organised but shower is dodgy and was a trickle of water....not fun! Have two outfits to decide between but not keen on either!

Iheartpasties Sat 06-Oct-12 11:55:30

tits sounds awful. I find rolling over in bed the most painful thing ever - I find if i can swing my legs off the side of the bed it helps a little with the momentum, can your partner push you - or is that too painful?

Iheartpasties Sat 06-Oct-12 11:56:18

izzy have fun!!

Iheartpasties Sat 06-Oct-12 12:05:00

Well we spent a fortune today getting the brakes doen on the car - why are they so expensive? I am happy they have been done as I want a nice safe car, but still annoying.

I got all my baby clothing out and have sorted out the teeny tiny new born outfits. Just need to put them away in the drawers, they are in a big heap at the moment because the drawers need emptying out. I have put something aside for my hospital bag. Honestly if it hadnt been for you ladies I literally wouldnt have bothered packing one (dont ask me why not - it was just total denial last time and I never packed one!!!). I have ear marked a coming home outfit for baby smile

We have the car capsule sat here and the pram - all ready and waiting! yey.

StuntNun Sat 06-Oct-12 12:07:16

Ultimately Detective it shouldn't matter why you want a home birth, it is your decision where you have your baby and it's hardly uncommon. I was a planned home birth way back in 1976 although my mum planned for three home births and I was the only one that worked out due to complications in the other two deliveries. I had woefully inadequate midwife support during my first delivery which probably contributed to the eventual EMCS under GA but the midwife was delivering at least one other baby at the same time as mine. At least with a home birth you'll have the midwife's undivided attention! I really hope it works out for you.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 06-Oct-12 12:22:20

Thanks detective that's really useful.x

Evilwater Sat 06-Oct-12 12:29:13

Baby born at 1436 yesterday, with cut and ventouse. Weighing in at 2.8kg, as a boy. Gas and air used for most of it, with two diamorphine injections.

Trying to get breast breastfeeding, with not much luck.
A tired and sore evil.

Brockle Sat 06-Oct-12 12:39:41

congratulations! I hope the BFing gets easier and enjoy the snuggles. Have you decided on a name?

NervousAt20 Sat 06-Oct-12 12:42:20

Congratulations!!!!!! grin

Hope you and baby are both doing well and your enjoy lots of nice cuddles x x

blonderthanred Sat 06-Oct-12 12:47:41

Many congratulations Evil. Hope you are getting lots of tea and toast.

Congratulations evil lots of rest and snuggle time with baby boy! Try not to get stressed!

ValiumQueen Sat 06-Oct-12 12:50:44

I was born at home as was my brother. He was born in 1965. My eldest brother was born in hospital and I swear they got the babies mixed up as he is such a twonk.

TheDetective Sat 06-Oct-12 12:50:53

Yippeeeeeee Evil and congratulations! Just keep doing lots of skin to skin with him, and waking him and trying to latch him on. He will get the idea in the end!

ValiumQueen Sat 06-Oct-12 12:56:43

Well done evil the feeding will get easier. Take it one feed at a time and this time next week you will both be like professionals. So glad you are both ok, and quite envious you are through the other side x hope your sore bits improve soon x

TheDetective Sat 06-Oct-12 13:02:12

I have a really bad rash under my left breast. Fabulous! I think it is a sweat rash!! I noticed it last week, but it is getting worse gah!

Is it wrong that I don't want this baby to come til at least 38 weeks now! I want at least a week off work, to bake eat cakes and nest grin I think this baby is getting itself ready though. Was convinced I'd go to t+13 as with DS, but I'm not so sure now....! Time will tell ;)

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sat 06-Oct-12 13:03:56

Congratulations evil!

Am exhausted, pushed DD in new buggy to town and back and 30 min walk each way in he sunshine has done me in! DD slept all the way back so ah is full of beans and I am ready to sleep.

Plus, over estimated my bladder's control with a 7lb baby jumping on it and wet myself when we go home as didn't make it to the loo in time. First time I have wet myself as an adult and sober. blush

Lane81 Sat 06-Oct-12 13:04:00

Congratulations evil enjoy the first week! i too am envious of you being on the other side, although I'm only 35 weeks!

MissMummy1 Sat 06-Oct-12 13:04:52

Congrats evil !!! Hope you're not too sore and he catches onto the feeding malark soon. Can't wait to hear what you've chosen to call him and see some pics xxxxx Take care of yourself and you're wee bundle!

kissyfur Sat 06-Oct-12 13:05:54

Congratulations evil!! Lovely news smile

Peaky1 Sat 06-Oct-12 13:09:10

Brilliant news Evil! I did a little 'yaaaay!' to nobody in particular in my kitchen when I read that. When did you end up going into hospital then? Hoping you are both happy and well xx

kirrinIsland Sat 06-Oct-12 13:13:15

Congratulations evil that's great news grin

NervousAt20 Sat 06-Oct-12 13:13:42

There's no cake or chocolate in my house sad and I really don't want to go out but want something now!!!

StuntNun Sat 06-Oct-12 13:14:22

Go Evil! I'm doing my happy dance for you! grin My DS2 was the same weight, they look so tiny. Bfing is a bit awkward for the first two or three days until your milk comes in and then you suddenly find you have too much of the stuff. The colustrum in the early days is liquid gold though, the absolute best food for your baby so it's worth continuing for the a wee while just to get as much into him as possible.

capedcrusader25 Sat 06-Oct-12 13:24:52

Congratulations evil! Brilliant news!

ditsygem Sat 06-Oct-12 13:35:49

Congratulations Evil! Look after yourself and your little one and get plenty of rest.

YellowWellies Sat 06-Oct-12 13:40:15

Woo a nice 6lber - good for you evil. Can't wait to hear his name. Hope you heal swiftly and he gets the hang of feeding soon - it's probably a big learning curve when all he's been doing for the last eight odd months is kicking, hiccuping and flooping round in amniotic fluid - but he'll get there, it's what he's designed to you (and what your boobs are designed to do too so don't panic). Lots of love to you and your family - and enjoy those baby cuddles. Am v jealous. YW xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 06-Oct-12 13:46:06

Brilliant news evil thanksam sure you will stop feeling so sore in a couple of days, not sure about not being tired any more. BF ing can be hard at first but you need to be stubborn and keep going however you feel to give it a proper chance. Good luck.

Think I am going to mobilise the boys to go for an autumn walk................

ValiumQueen Sat 06-Oct-12 14:04:28

YW great post on the other thread grin

ValiumQueen Sat 06-Oct-12 14:06:37

evil he will also have a sore head after the ventouse. Hope he is not too bruised. My DD had a purple cone head and was a misery guts for a few days (understandable). Hang on, very little has changed grin

YellowWellies Sat 06-Oct-12 14:20:15

Sorry VQ couldn't resist - there are some real power junky twats on that (once very useful) thread....

Evil congratulations on your new son smile I'm glad you're both safe and well.

I'm very puffy and grey skinned today as my MIL pointed out. Baby still moving well though do that's something. DS and I had our flu jabs this morning and I'm booked in for wc jab at the end of the week.
DS has promptly got a fever and is feeling very sorry for himself after the jab so we're snuggled on the sofa watching The Avengers.

ValiumQueen Sat 06-Oct-12 14:23:35

YW there is another one running too if you were feeling bored. The 'just been offered' one.

YellowWellies Sat 06-Oct-12 14:37:10

Nope as much as I love a good t'internet spat bad YW I'm going to finish painting the cradle we were given (it's an old Orcadian one and will be Junior's pad during the day when I need my arms free, in an ideal world) will put some photos up on FB - it looks really good if I do say so myself. And because it rocks - the cat can't get it in - he has already tried. After that I'm going to crash on the bed with JuJu Sundin (sp?) Birth Skills book. It's the last day of the Brown Trout season so DH has valiantly set off into the gale to see if he can catch us another one for the freezer - I have to make the most of having the house to myself!!!

StuntNun Sat 06-Oct-12 15:40:53

Right, can someone explain to me how the breathing thing is supposed to work in labour? I have never got the hang of this. Are you just supposed to breathe slowly and deeply and try to stay calm?

YellowWellies Sat 06-Oct-12 15:45:50

Pretty much - and also breathing slowly and deeply (like yoga breathing) from the diaphragm i.e. deep in your tummy means you get much more oxygen to your muscles and reduces the pain and exhaustion you'll feel compared to if you were hyperventilating and breathing shallowly.

shanelle5 Sat 06-Oct-12 16:11:11

Congratulations Evil and family, lovely news on your new baby boy.
Cant wait to hear name and see piccies when you are up to it!
Want my little boy now envy

horseylady Sat 06-Oct-12 16:13:19

Congrats evil!!!

Dog just jumped on my bump sad bad dog sad should be ok shouldn't it??!

ValiumQueen Sat 06-Oct-12 16:15:48

horsey you will be fine. Baby is well protected, especially by your abs of steel. If you have the anti-d jabs it would be worth calling your MW. Naughty doggy! Still, at least it was not a horse!

Congratulations evil smile

horseylady Sat 06-Oct-12 16:35:15

No anti d needed. Bloody thing!! Just seen my friends, dogs went mad playing and just leapt on me but got the bump!! Poor bump sad

Yes at least it wasnt a horse!!

YellowWellies Sat 06-Oct-12 16:41:34

I'm sure you'll be fine horsey! It's funny what makes us all worry - I'd be terrified of getting injured falling off a horse if the horse freaked out at something - but probably wouldn't think twice if a dog jumped up at my bump (possibly because they'd likely hit junior in the arse given their current position).

I remember when my sister was seven months pregnant and still cycling 12 miles a day - we were all terrified for her wee one as there's not much to protect them if you come off the bike so late in pregnancy. She was very blase. But now she thinks the worst of most situations and is a real worrier. My irrational worries are far too many to list... but include DH driving too 'rally driverish' up our rough country track... errr, bending over too quickly and trapping their neck in my pelvis (not possible is it?) and numerous other hormone fuelled craziness...

Come to think of it horsey a dog bounce is a much more sensible thing to worry about than what I worry about blush. But I am sure Junior is fine. How are you feeling after losing your mucus plug - do you think you lost it all? Do you feel as though you might be progressing toward labour?

ValiumQueen Sat 06-Oct-12 17:09:26

YW not possible. I worry in case the lorry coming towards us crosses into our carriageway. Always lorries and busses. I get such a nervous driver and passenger in late pg.

horseylady Sat 06-Oct-12 17:17:31

Yw I only worried because it hurt ( and I can still feel it?!) I do worry about falling off, but I've done as much damage limitation as possible by only riding my horse and being very sensible with what I do!

I'd ride a bike now tbh but it has a flat tyre and dh is too busy to mend it!!

I think I only lost part, there was no blood and I have had little in the way of increased discharge so perhaps it was s combination of things rather than the actual plug!! Was just odd to have it come out??!! Literally!!

YellowWellies Sat 06-Oct-12 17:22:24

Ouch sad ... get checked out if you're worried but am sure it's just bruising - is the baby bum up? In which case they might have felt a nudge but am sure they're ok.

I'd ride a bike here where we maybe see a car every half hour, but not on a busy road down south - it's other drivers I don't trust to be honest. Actually am not even sure I would here, just in case I came off - I can't honestly say I could always land in a way to protect the baby.

Glad to hear VQ that my worries are entirely irrational as with so much else of my personality... I hate oncoming HGVs too. Shudder.

YellowWellies Sat 06-Oct-12 17:30:54

I have to confess to being partially jealous at you losing your plug horsey as I soooo want to meet the wee one; but also conflicted by hoping they stay put until I'm eligible for my MA. Sods law will dictate, no doubt, an early arrival...

I really do think this baby will come early, not prem but before 40 weeks like ds did.

I don't know why I just have a feeling (I've prob set myself up for a 42 week birth now!)

I thought I was losing plug a couple of days ago, I has some clear jelly stuff in my undies, the midwife said it is possible to lose it for weeks before baby arrives and it's usually when it's blood stained that baby is imminent. smile

YellowWellies Sat 06-Oct-12 17:47:05

I didn't know that thanks Tits. Hmmm no sign of that here.

Although I will add, I never lost any sort of plug or discharge of any kind until I was ready to push with both my previous labours, I guess everyone is slightly different! smile

ValiumQueen Sat 06-Oct-12 18:07:28

YW your baby will arrive just before midnight on the day before you qualify. See if you can keep your legs crossed or get DH to hide all the clocks.

ShellyBobbs Sat 06-Oct-12 18:29:18

Feeling rotten. Have had 2 hours sleep in 2 days sad

I woke up this afternoon to find my lovely 12 year old daughter had put a steaming mug of tea and 4 biscuits next to my bed, she had already brought me up 3 brews before that.

Fantastic news Evil, enjoy!

Elizadoesdolittle Sat 06-Oct-12 18:39:22

Fantastic news evil I hope things settle down for you on the feeding front. I found the early days very tough but it does get easier. Enjoy your baby and look forward to hearing what you decided to name him.

horseylady Sat 06-Oct-12 19:14:33

Tits that's my understanding!! Blood stained immenent. Clear just something!! It was clear I was just like wtf??!!

I don't tend to worry about too much.... It'll all change post baby probably!! Had a lovely ride thus evening, dog bump pain now gone, baby still kicking!! Yes he's bum up so his bum may have been poked by said pup!!

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Sat 06-Oct-12 19:27:58

Has anyone else been told to take vitamin D? Dr mentioned it at last apt but was first I had been mentioned and she seemed surprised I had already been told to take it?

Tiago Sat 06-Oct-12 19:35:08

Congrats evil.

My nct class was told that labour is likely to follow soon in he event of a bloody show, but that it is possible for the plug to be lost early and then reform. It does however indicate he cervix is softening, so things are headed in the right direction.

Tiago Sat 06-Oct-12 19:36:31

I was recommended vit d from the booking in appt.

ValiumQueen Sat 06-Oct-12 19:54:55

Nobody has mentioned vit D. I have read about it on here. I eat a fairly healthy diet, and the other two turned out fine.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 06-Oct-12 19:55:15

Feel tearful tonight so have escaped to bed.

Large red lumps where my jabs were is this normal?

ValiumQueen Sat 06-Oct-12 19:58:06

[sophia] I am still red and lumpy and sore and I had mine on Tuesday. I also felt pretty emotional after taking them, thinking about possible side effects which is a natural worry for us at this stage. It is improving, but I had two nights when I could not sleep on that arm.

ValiumQueen Sat 06-Oct-12 19:58:37

Bugger, meant to be sophia obviously.

kirrinIsland Sat 06-Oct-12 20:20:22

I've been thinking I have a feeling this baby will come early - but it could just be wishful thinking and I also think that sod's law dictates i'll end up being induced at 42 weeks or something!

No-one has mentioned vit D to me, but I have been taking a general pregnancy vit and eat pretty well apart from all the sugar

I am very achy and fed up today. I need to tidy the office a bit -- so I feel like I've achieved something today-- and then I'm heading off to bed.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sat 06-Oct-12 20:21:25

Luckily last night I didn't have a problem sleeping on the arm, tonight may be different.

I got really upset with DH over something really stupid. I didn't say anything I went and cried in the kitchen, and then kept adding other stupid things to my list. I'm glad I didn't say anything now I would of regretted it and he would have thought he married a mad woman!

I'm having a look at my hypnobirthing and going to write DH's bIrth plan. The midwives will have a different one.

GTbaby Sat 06-Oct-12 21:16:27

Hi. After a sleepless night n itching driving me mad. Tried a shower. No difference. Called LW n they said come in. Baby seemed to go quite, but as soon as I got on bed at hospital he start moving. Baby is fine Heart beat is good. But Itchiness is crazy annoying. Waiting to hear back about blood tests still. DH is on phone now.
If I have this OC thing ill have to go into be monitored everyday. Which is a pain. But as long as bubs is ok will b worth it. Dr is still to busy so DH told to call bk later.

Went to mothercare earlier. They have a baby event nxt week so got my ticket for that. N mum n sister bought me a few baby clothes. Including an elmo baby grow! So cute. So least something good !

ValiumQueen Sat 06-Oct-12 21:23:48

GT sorry to hear that. Hopefully the results will come back clear.

Cacacaz Sat 06-Oct-12 22:10:47

Congratulations Evil looking forward to hearing your little boys name grin

Gtbaby I hope you feel better soon

An eventful day here, beginning with me waking just after 1am with cramping pains, I panicked thinking it was the start of something blush I realised all my pyjamas needed washed, so put the washing machine on and ran myself a bath which stopped the cramps. I attempted up get some more sleep, failing miserably, watched tv instead.

Baby hardly moved at all today, between the lack of movement and pains last night I decided to call the maternity unit, bursting into tears as I spoke to the midwife. She told me to come straight up, on arriving I was attached to a trace for over an hour and thankfully everything is okay grin I am relieved beyond words. Dh was out for a few drinks with his dad after me encouraging him to go, he is now vowing that other than work he will not be leaving me. The midwife was lovely, reassuring us that we were not wasting her time as I was apologising profusely.

I have promised dh that I will take things easy from now on, as difficult as that will be blush I am now on maternity leave grin

Off to bed now as I can barely keep my eyes open to type anymore.

rowingdowntheriver Sat 06-Oct-12 22:54:20

Congratulation evil!

I'm off to bed now after a lovely day with DS and my parents. We had lunch in the V&A cafe which I can highly recommend - amazing setting - then spent hours in the science museum which is absolutely fantastic for kids.

Am definitely tired now and ready for some sleep. Could do without waking up at 4 tomorrow so fingers crossed!

Congratulations Evil!!

God I am fed up today, I can't move, I can't get comfy, I'm having loads of braxton hike and I'm having a bit of a wobble about actually having a baby at the end of it sad
Sure ill be fine tomorrow though, sorry for the moan smile

Iheartpasties Sat 06-Oct-12 23:50:33

Congrats evil !!!!

Iheartpasties Sat 06-Oct-12 23:52:41

Fatima it's normal to have a few emotional 'what have I done' moments. I've been having them, then some days I'll cry coz I can't wait to meet this baby!

I'm awake sad
Just tripped over a giant pedestal fan in our room, bloody thing is now snapped clean in half, ouch! hmm

Iheartpasties Sun 07-Oct-12 03:10:16

Oh my goodness, I hate tripping over stuff in the dark when you have got up for a pee, scares the crap out of me and usually hurts like fuck.

Iheartpasties Sun 07-Oct-12 03:11:38

I woke up this morning and the clocks have changed so we lost an hour. Feels like a bummer at the moment but in a few weeks hopefully we can eat our dinner outside on the balcony and it'll still be light! Me and dh were thinking about it earlier and hopefully we can afford to buy a couple of nice chairs to sit on smile

blonderthanred Sun 07-Oct-12 05:48:00

Fatima I was the same yesterday.

Now I'm lying awake worrying about paint fumes.

GTbaby Sun 07-Oct-12 05:53:13

Argh the itchiness has woken me up sad angry grrr.

My mum has allergies, n I'm always telling her to stop scratching as she ends up drawing blood. N now I understand how hard it is! blush.

Going out for lunch later with SILs so distraction will b good smile. Nice Sunday roast. Oh so hungry right now.

Sleepy sleepy but can I sleep? envy

rowingdowntheriver Sun 07-Oct-12 06:10:33

Oh gt that is rubbish. Is there anything the dr's can give you that will help with the itchiness? I remember my legs being covered in sandfly bites on holiday once and it driving me to distraction, especially at night time, so I think I can imagine how you are feeling.

MissMummy1 Sun 07-Oct-12 07:09:54

Woke up in the middle of the night not able to breathe again. Luckily dh was there this time to witness it for himself. It's like the worst heartburn ever and felt like my throat was closing over sad. We had mexican last night so going to try cutting out all spicy food to see if that makes any difference. Doubt it though as last time all I'd managed to stomach all day was a mug of veg broth and a slice of toast...

GT sounds horrific. Pregnancy isn't fun is it? Hope it eases soon x

I had a v bizarre dream last night, I had the baby but she was prem, v prem as in 25ish weeks so obv not where I am now! Also they did a c-sec but from the top of my bump and I could see down into it and the baby was inside a crisp bag (obv I've been eating too many crisps!) and she had to go in an incubator and be fed milk through a tube.
Really quite odd I hope none of that does happen!

Got the NCT sale later and dh is taking ds to see his gran all day so should be a good day for some rest after shopping.

ValiumQueen Sun 07-Oct-12 07:40:20

cacacaz glad little one is ok, and you are now on Mat Leave. Good DH will be more available too.

fatima the 'what have I done * moments will continue for many years yet, and with each subsequent child too grin

tits I bet that hurt! DH has moved the scales and I keep whacking them with my toe when I go to the loo. I have been asking him to move them as they are too heavy and low for me to.

GT hope you get the results soon, and some relief.

MM more pillows? May help.

DH you can never have too many crisps. Quite jealous of the day you have planned. Enjoy!

Another disturbed night here, and wonder if I will ever have a lay in again. DH is feeling awful as he cannot shift the cold he has. I suggested laying off the beer might help how he feels in the morning. He did not look impressed. He asked if I was ok, to which I replied I am having a baby in two weeks. He said he takes that as a baseline, and was wondering if there was anything else wrong. I said that was enough to make me feel like shite. He has made me a bacon and fried egg sarnie though, so he is not all bad.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 07-Oct-12 08:01:16

Perhaps my DH will start to focus on the baby bit more once we only have two weeks left. sad He doesn't think about stuff until it's nearly upon him then he gives it his full attention. Is just the way he copes with a responsible job, a responsible hobby, a family, and building a house. I'm fine with that most of the time but occasionally I just need some tlc and focus on my tummy!

Church then am going to make up a mahoosive boeuf borginguon (sp) so I can freeze some for after birth

DH I dreamt the baby was born in the toilet last night but nothing asstrange as being in a crisp packet!

vq it maybe you will never have another good night sleep until this one is about 12 and you're having to drag them out of bed at lunchtime! grin

ShellyBobbs Sun 07-Oct-12 08:28:27

I've managed a few hours sleep so feel much better that I did yesterday. Baby has not stopped moving AT ALL since about tea time last night and has gone really low, I thought it was trying to slip out of my BUM earlier!!

We've not long to go when we think how far we've come, remember when we were all worried because we stopped feeling like shit? grin

ValiumQueen Sun 07-Oct-12 08:46:17

sophia I think men are incapable of thinking about the baby until they hold it in their arms.

Iheartpasties Sun 07-Oct-12 08:47:29

mm1 that sounds pretty yuck. I am finding i can eat less and less in the evening now, i try and have a big lunch instead.

jaylee89 Sun 07-Oct-12 08:55:21

morning ladies. something in the air last night about bad dreams??? i had a dream i was bleeding huge amounts and my mum was saying to me that i worry to much i was raging at her in my dream and she kept saying to me "NO we are not going to hospital" i was like " WE FUCKING ARE THE BABY IS IN DANGER" she didnt give 2 craps! and also to finish off the dream it was A BOY!!! (which every time i have a dream about bubs its always a boy) but been told at 20 week scan we are team pink hmmmmmmmhmm

35 weeks today and feeling it. period pains for last 24 hours and losing what i think is more of my mucus plug( thought i lost that 2 weeks ago) bloody pregnancy confuses me.

hope everyone has a lovely sunday

Iheartpasties Sun 07-Oct-12 08:59:28

DH is just 'chucking another shrimp on the barbie' smile

Iheartpasties Sun 07-Oct-12 09:06:08

I havent had a crazy dream in a while! Not that I can remember anyway!

Congrats evil smile Hope to see some pics when you are home and settled in.

Lazy day today. I'm on the sofa with my duvet watching the Corrie omnibus. Not much planned for today. I know my final week at work will be a struggle so I'm conserving my energy wink

StuntNun Sun 07-Oct-12 10:03:27

After three hours of BH contractions last night, they've started up this morning as well. I hope I'm not going to be having them for the next five weeks! Baby doesn't seem too impressed about it either.

DH has announced that he is taking the boys up to the Giants' Causeway this afternoon which is a 50 mile journey. I'm suspicious that he's trying to get out of getting ready for our house viewing tomorrow. So it looks like I'll have a day of cleaning and tidying today. Last time we had a viewing I ended up scrubbing the bathroom and kitchen floors on my hands and knees with a scouring pad because the idiot had left the mop out in the garden and it was covered in grass and mud. hmm I wouldn't mind so much but I had the place looking really nice Friday morning and between him and the kids it is now trashed. I was making breakfast this morning and I noticed that the kitchen floor is cleaner than the worktops. sad

Seen a few pics of evil on fb and know the name but will wait for her to announce it herself smile

YellowWellies Sun 07-Oct-12 10:17:27

DH a baby in a crisp packet. Weirdest dream ever and clearly a request from the baby for you to eat more crisps, I would say? wink I slept like a log last night well got up for the loo twice first time in ages. Am feeling much better for it. Am now down to only two days in the office a week (and two at home) but still feel I need to conserve my energy up for it.

YellowWellies Sun 07-Oct-12 10:18:44

Today I'm reading and making pureed babyfood for when my sister and niece come up to help after the birth, whilst DH tidies the house from top to bottom. There is rumour of him cooking tea too.... with pudding.

Dixiebell Sun 07-Oct-12 10:28:04

Remembered the tip of silk/satin nightie for helping to turn over in night. You can apparently just glide. But reckon it needs a whole double to yrself to execute properly!

DS slept in new room in big boy's bed for first time last night. No probs at all. My baby's growing up! smile

Iheartpasties Sun 07-Oct-12 10:30:59

dixiebell i bet that is true (silk/satin)!! great idea. It's too hot at night to wear anything here!! I dont bother with covers either.

GTbaby Sun 07-Oct-12 10:34:58

Morning all. Evil hope to see pics soon.

Was jyst thinking. Sods law i soent first Maternity day off in hospital! Itchiness is crazy. N dr says nothing I take or do can help. Just daily monitoring to mk sure my acid levels don't go to high n baby is happy. It's worse at night tho sad. Going out for lunch soon so better get Up. Going to soak in bath first so hoping that helps.
Have a great day!

Iheartpasties Sun 07-Oct-12 10:37:39

GT sounds awful! Someone on another thread mentioned tar soap, not sure what it is but you could google it.

If baby wants crisps I will happily oblige! Currently devouring a toaste ham sandwich with mayo and pickle grin

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 07-Oct-12 11:13:33

I think you are right vq

DebussyHead Sun 07-Oct-12 11:24:03

Congratulations Evil! Great news smile. GT I know someone that had that itchiness from 36 weeks onwards and it sounded awful, drove her to distraction. Drs gave her steroid cream after the birth which helped a lot.

DH at ikea this morning to buy drawers and cupboard for DDs room, then her nursery furniture can be transferred to baby's room. I'm having a boy so am going for a blue gingham nautical theme with wee red boats. V cute but predictable blue room for boy. I ordered Bednest co sleeping crib yesterday, it's terribly expensive but justified it as will eBay it in 6 months time and most seem to sell close to original value (bloody hope so anyway!!).

Best friend gave me hand me down bag of baby grows and cardies for newborn and 0-3 month boy so going to wash that today and return the stuff I bought at sainsbury's last weekend. Great getting things passes on.

Have nice day ladies.

Evilwater Sun 07-Oct-12 11:55:39

Hoping to go home today if he feeds well again grin

Iheartpasties Sun 07-Oct-12 11:59:46

evil super exciting!

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 07-Oct-12 12:05:46

I have written a birthplan for DH and posted on fb for anyone who wants to critique it! I have forgotten a couple of things and I haven't thought yet about what happens if it all goes wrong!

Peaky1 Sun 07-Oct-12 13:48:23

That's great news Evil! Should be exciting to bring him home for the first time

Evilwater Sun 07-Oct-12 14:40:03

His name is Nicholas, and breastfeeding is damn hard. As all he does is sleep and he's not interested in feeding.
Any one got any tips??


StuntNun Sun 07-Oct-12 14:42:23

Evil that's normal for the first few days, especially if you've had pain relief. He's tired from the labour and may have lingering effects of drugs in his system. My DS1 was like that until about day 4. Also they only need tiny quantities of milk in the first few days so feeds are often short.

DebussyHead Sun 07-Oct-12 14:43:41

Nicholas is a lovely name. I found breast feeding so so hard with DD and remember thinking why did noone tell me about this?! It was agony, proper toe curling, shout out loud pain. But got better after 14 days. Worried about the pain again this time round but hoping not so bad. Is this your first baby Evil?

Feeds will be erratic and short for the first few days, the little guy (and his mum) are tired after a shock to the system! smile
I bet you're doing great and Nicholas is a fab name (is our chosen middle name for DS3) might be worth posting in the feeding section on here though if you're worried or just want some tips, the mners are bloody fantastic when it comes to feeding advice.
Also ask your midwife to check the latch. Sleepiness is very normal though and remember his tiny tummy can't hold a lot yet anyway.

Congrats again. smile

Evilwater Sun 07-Oct-12 14:48:53

Debussy head, yes it is.
Why didn't the workshops say it would be like this???? I was/ still am, expecting that he will feed for half hour several times a day, and that latching would be easy, like that video!!


NervousAt20 Sun 07-Oct-12 15:09:43

GTBaby hope the itchiness eases off for you, it's sounds horrible

cacacaz glad everything went well at the hospital and your LO is okay

I'm 36W today

Great to hear from you evil and its a lovely name! Hope feeding gets more easier and comfortable for you soon and you get to take your little man home today

I found it hard the v first time but once he got the latch he was pretty sussed after that. It did hurt for the first week or so but persevere it'll be worth it!

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sun 07-Oct-12 15:14:15

Fab news evil hope you get home soon

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 07-Oct-12 15:19:31

evil it is really hard but if it's want you want to do then keep at it, it will take awhile but should get better with a bit of perseverance. I'm sure you are doing a great job so far.

All of your itching sounds horrendous.

We are now having a family veg out with the grand prix.

pikz Sun 07-Oct-12 15:22:13

Congrats Evil! Fantastic news! Welcome Nicholas.

I have such a sore throat and a cold brewing, damn not being able to take anything sad

MissMummy1 Sun 07-Oct-12 15:24:15

LOVE the name Evil - adorable for a littley but a solid, strong name when he grows up too. Fab choice. No idea re feeding as this is my first too but fc it gets easier!

Stupid MissMummy1 stood on the scales today... I'm 32+3 and have put on 3.5stone already!!! sad I've gone from underweight to normal on a standard BMI chart (so not too bad) but genuinely horrified by how heavy I am now, and how long I still have to go!! <repeats to self 'stores for bfing'...> DH wasn't joking when he told me I was massive last night (he thought he was being sweet and showing me how much he loved my pregnant body - apparently. Needless to say he slept in the spare room that night!!)

ValiumQueen Sun 07-Oct-12 15:32:58

evil both mine would fall asleep pretty much as soon as they started feeding. Find a tickly bit, and tickle it to keep him awake enough to feed but not so he is angry. With DD1 it was her foot, with DD2 a stroke of her cheek just under her ear would do the trick. Also it is good to be able to tell when they are feeding as opposed to just sucking. That is not properly evident until you milk has come in. Lovely name btw.

Brockle Sun 07-Oct-12 15:34:24

Great name Evil. Perseverence is the name of the game with breastfeeding. It does hurt at first and you constantly worry if they are getting enough but after that first couple of weeks it gets massively easier. I doubted myself so many times with DS1 in the first three weeks but after that it got better and better. Sometimes I think breastfeeding classes and vids should be a bit more honest and tell it how it is.

Whilst feeding if he starts to drop off, take his feet out of his baby gro or take his socks off and tickle his feet. Like everyone has said he will start to wake more in the next couple of days.

ValiumQueen Sun 07-Oct-12 15:34:33

MM as you say you were underweight to start with. This is natures way. It will go.

ValiumQueen Sun 07-Oct-12 15:35:34

X-post brockle clearly sound advice to tickle.

kirrinIsland Sun 07-Oct-12 15:50:14

Gorgeous name evil smile
I think the Bf videos make it look so easy so they don't put people off even trying! Remember, his tummy is the size of a marble right now, so he doesn't need much. Stick with it - it will just fall into place in the next few days.

MM I am steering well clear of the scales. DP also likes to point out how big I am - I have pointed out that being pregnant does not mean I don't mind being told I'm fat ok, not quite how he phrases it but he doesn't seem to understand!

kirrinIsland Sun 07-Oct-12 15:51:47

Oh, and along with the tickling advice, I was also told to make sure they're not too snuggly and warm when feeding so they are less likely to drop off to sleep.

Brockle Sun 07-Oct-12 16:06:20

Oh yes crossed posts but tickling is obviously the way to go smile I used to feed mine in their vests so they were a little cooler. Especially at night so they got a good feed instead of dribs and drabs every thirty minutes!

Its a hard line to draw with breastfeeding advice. It needs to be positive enough not to put people off but honest enough so people don't think they are the only ons struggling afterwards.

I too am staying clear of the scales.

blonderthanred Sun 07-Oct-12 16:09:35

Oh great name Evil - same as my DBro and he is very cool and lovely!

Good luck with the breastfeeding - my friend recommended Nelson's Burns Cream if you get sore. Is it too soon to ask how the induction went - or didn't you need it in the end?

ShellyBobbs Sun 07-Oct-12 16:16:11

I've been scrubbing the kitchen floor on my hands and knees this morning. I have a mop confused

Evil Keep at it, the first few days can be the hardest. Fingers crossed you can come home today smile

ValiumQueen Sun 07-Oct-12 16:22:56

You will be paying for that tomorrow shelley. Well, I have had a fairly good day today. Did a bit of shopping and bought a blue bobble blanket for baby. The girls had pink ones. £9 from Matalan. Mainly just looking at stuff, but nice to be out. Beautiful day in central Scotland. DH put the cot up this morning, so feeling a bit more real. Have washed and put cover on Moses basket after the girls spent ages playing in it. Beef stroganoff for tea. Yum.

Wow some great bargains at the NCT sale, I got ds a Ralph Lauren jumper (barely if ever worn) for a POUND! We looked up to buy it new and it's about £60!!
Loads of bodysuits and sleepsuits, 0-3 month coat and bits and bobs for ds. Only spent £18 in total, really wish they had more than just two a year!

WaitingForMe Sun 07-Oct-12 16:47:24

Congratulations Evil. I love the name Nicholas!

I had my bump shots yesterday which I'm glad about as in the last few days I've wondered if baby is going to be early. I'm only 34+3 but getting BHs so intense I've been bent over the birthing ball with DH holding my hands and doing my hypnobirthing exercises. He's now preparing his labour bag as his ex had nothing like this until she was in labour.

Or I could have seven weeks of this fun confused

TheDetective Sun 07-Oct-12 16:59:16

Lovely name Evil I hope you are feeling well, and get home today! But if you are having a hard time with feeding, why not stay for another night for help? As rubbish as it is on the ward, at least there is advice at hand??!

What is the feeding pattern like? Are you having to hand express, or is he latching on for feeds? It can be difficult to advise when not knowing what the issues are grin

I've just done my last day shift, just my 4 nights at the end of next week, and I AM DONE!! And not a moment too soon! Work colleagues think I'm crazy for still being in!

Everyone is hassling me though, telling me to just come in and have the baby where I work. Not ever gonna happen. I'd be mortified to start....! And just NO! I don't think they get it really, though sad

I got in from work today, and ran a bath with badass badedas bubble bath, with the hypnobirthing cd on, and decided to have a pratice of the techniques while in water. DP chose that exact time to start hoovering the entire house.... I am trying to be grateful, really I am! But.... narghhhhhh!!!

Of course the baby was startled at the sound of the hoover, and started moving like crazy. Not the most enjoyable bath ever! This baby makes me laugh, it has a moro reflex like no other! Startles at the hairdryer, hoover, sudden loud music... bit like my dog really! Will be funny to see if it is still the same when he is born!

I'm still in the 4am club sad One of the women today suggested a lavender vaporizer? Am going to google! She said it worked well for her!

TheDetective Sun 07-Oct-12 16:59:53

I'm getting some cracking BH's too Waiting!

TheDetective Sun 07-Oct-12 17:19:57

I've seen it all now!!

Pre-packed maternity bags on eBay hmm confused

I've been having some wicked BH for a few weeks now, my baby can't seem to make his mind up, I spent 2-3 days with him so low I thought he was about to emerge, now he is right up as high as can be again. Hey ho midwife tomorrow, will be interesting to see just what position he's in and how engaged/free he is. smile

TheDetective Sun 07-Oct-12 17:24:03

And Shelly I've been feeling like he is gonna come out my bum for a looooooooooooong time! He kicks me right in the bum frequently sad


YellowWellies Sun 07-Oct-12 17:26:38

Woo hoo am 34 weeks tomorrow and man for the first time, am really feeling it. Collapsed today into bed after wandering round the supermarket. DH has made me pancakes for breakfast, cleaned the house top to bottom, done three loads of washing and done all the sous-chefery for tea. He is having a well deserved rest shooting zombies. I'm just so bone tired and feel like a space cadet all of a sudden. DH asked me, a little concerned, whether it might be the start of anything serious - but I don't think so. Lots of BH here too but have had breath-takers since 28 weeks so I'm not taking it as a sign, we also have a very wriggly wee possum - they seem to be really 'activated' by bright sunshine bizarrely!

Has anyone had their flu jab this year?
I had mine yesterday and the site of the injection is now bloomin sore, swollen and red ( about 10cm across ) and itches like a beast, is that normal? I never usually get a localised reaction at all and DS didn't get one. hmm

ValiumQueen Sun 07-Oct-12 17:40:25

YW 34 weeks was when it hit me too. Like a truck.

detective you are crazy. Most definately. No doubt at all. <<goes to eBay to check out pre-packed mat bags>>

ValiumQueen Sun 07-Oct-12 17:42:26

tits my flu jag was fine, it was the WC one that reacted like a bitch. The last one I had though, with the SF in it, was pretty horrid.

Lilliana Sun 07-Oct-12 17:44:30

Congrats Evil, hope the BF gets easier x

34 weeks and had my bump shots done yesterday too smile

3 more weeks of work before I can stop. I can't complain though as apart from turning over and pelvic pain I've not had it too bad and am actually enjoying teaching atm (think it might have something to do with knowing I'm leaving before observations start and OFSTED should have been in before I get back grin)

Went out dancing last night. Had a great time and everyone said how well I looked but paying for it today - soo tired and struggling to walk!

I'll look forward to that on Friday then VQ! I have WC booked in. finally
I've never had a reaction to any jabs before and I had Swine Flu and I have the normal flu jab every year as DS1's care giver.

ValiumQueen Sun 07-Oct-12 17:47:25

There are loads of them detective luxury ones too. How long would one set of clothes for baby and ten maternity pads last? Does not include nighties.

YellowWellies Sun 07-Oct-12 17:47:58

I had my WC jag on Thursday and it's still red, raised and tender to the touch - i guess the preggo body reacts more vigorously to jags.

ValiumQueen Sun 07-Oct-12 17:50:18

tits you are a bit under par at the moment though. May go some way to explaining, but they are different jags each year aren't they? It would be best to report it when you can next week as they 'yellow flag' reactions. Hope it soon settles, and obviously if worried, contact NHS24.

TheDetective Sun 07-Oct-12 17:57:23

Exactly VQ, shit aren't they! grin

YW 34 weeks was my turning point too, when it really started hitting me like a tonne of bricks. And a bus. Followed by a lorry. And a train for good measure.

I've suddenly got a proper proper bump now! I knew it would happen at this time! It did with DS too, at 36 weeks, even if I was 3-4 sizes smaller back then! I just didn't look definitely pregnant til late on. Too much cake was more the look I sported!

I'll do a pic later, as the top I am wearing really shows it off even though its filthy and covered in food stains from being a sloppy mare grin and put it on fb! I may need to put a bra on first though!!! I had to sudacrem under the boobs, the rash is looking really bad now sad

Thechick Sun 07-Oct-12 18:08:39

Ummm, had my baby this morning. 6 weeks early. Feel like I've been hit by a truck. Will give more info in a couple of days.

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 07-Oct-12 18:09:38

titsi m having the same with the flu and WH sites feeling very sorry for myself!i had them on Fri and they flared up yesterday, today they itch as well but are too soreto touch.

detective I can not believe the pre packed hosp bags, am off for a look. I also couldn't believe the you tube vids about what to pack....and they all forgot nappies grin

Sophiathesnowfairy Sun 07-Oct-12 18:11:42

chick no way, congrats. Hope the truck feeling goes away soon so you can update us!

daisychain76 Sun 07-Oct-12 18:11:57

Hi all, not managed to catch up properly but congrats evil. My tips for bfing would be change nappy first to wake baby up, if he is getting sleepy stop and wind him, you can also stroke his cheek and blow gently on his face. lt does get easier

l am completely exhausted atm. Came home last weekend with huge supplies of blood pressure medication and pain killers (have to say l was really scared about the pain after a c section and it has really not too bad)

Baby is still on special care. Doing well - breathing on his own but still mainly fed tthrough a tube cos they want to make sure he maintains his weight (he is about 4 pounds at the mo), Looks like it will be 2 or 3 more weeks til he‘s home. So life is spent trying to keep things normal for 2 older dcs and spending as much time as possible at hospital.

Looking forward to hearing of more new arrivals soon (but not too soon!)

YellowWellies Sun 07-Oct-12 18:19:29

Bloody hell thechick you were due the day before me. Omiword... maybe all of that stuff on top of my hospital bag might need to go in it now. Lots of love to you and your wee one - hope you are both quickly home together safe and sound. Do let us know name, sex, weight etc when you get your head back together.

Daisy lots of love to you and the wee boy, he sounds like he's doing really well! It will be so much easier when he's home and you don't feel torn in two trying to be two places at once xxxx

ValiumQueen Sun 07-Oct-12 18:22:16

thechick do hope you soon feel better thanks welcome baby chick, but it sounds like you have given your mummy a hard time.

daisy I bet you are exhausted. Do hope your wee boy is home soon. It must be hard having your children in different places.

StuntNun Sun 07-Oct-12 18:23:40

Congratulations Chick that will be some story to tell.

Good to hear from you Daisy, hopefully the next couple of weeks will fly in and you'll have him home before you know it.

Remember there's a post-natal thread if you want to have new baby discussions: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/postnatal_clubs/1579907-November-2012-babies-are-here-at-last

Lilliana Sun 07-Oct-12 18:24:04

Wow Chick, hope you and baby are both ok. Take care and update us when you are able x

Lilliana Sun 07-Oct-12 18:27:27

Just checked the stats list and see you were due the day after me Chick- I'd better get those bags packed. It says you were having a boy, hope he is doing well xxx

GTbaby Sun 07-Oct-12 18:28:49

Woop woop chick big hugs.

Been itchy itchy itchy today. Dr called n need to go in tomorrow for monitoring n more scan/ tests. But trying to be positive. As uncomfortable itchy ness is. It's just an itch. An itch which is driving me crazy. But that's the worse symptom.

Also just realised my WC jab is not until Friday. Most OC cases are induced by 38 weeks n im 37 now. So a lil concerned that fraggle will not b protected sad.

TheDetective Sun 07-Oct-12 18:30:32

Has OC been confirmed GT?

Oh my word TheChick you sound very shocked. Hope all is ok, and you are recovering, and baby doing well. Congratulations to you!

kirrinIsland Sun 07-Oct-12 18:35:26

congratulations chick hope you are both ok.

Lovely to hear from you daisy hope he is home with you soon.

All these arrivals are spurring me on to actually pack a hospital bag....

ValiumQueen Sun 07-Oct-12 18:38:01

GT get it earlier. Phone GP tomorrow and demand it earlier. They all have stock, and should accommodate everyone who requests it, especially in your situation. Do not take no for an answer!

rowingdowntheriver Sun 07-Oct-12 18:53:51

Wow chick, congratulations! Hope you and baby are ok.

Evilwater Sun 07-Oct-12 19:03:50

Yay! I'm home!!


YellowWellies Sun 07-Oct-12 19:13:51

Welcome home Mummy Evil smile

ShellyBobbs Sun 07-Oct-12 19:15:41

Congratulations Chick! Really hope everyone is OK.

ShellyBobbs Sun 07-Oct-12 19:16:18

Wahooo Evil, family fun starts here.

ValiumQueen Sun 07-Oct-12 19:16:55

Welcome home! evil and naughtynick (appropriate for a child of evil perhaps? grin )


Congratulations Chick

Lovely to hear from Daisy

And welcome home mama evil

<looks at bump> I wish this little guy would consider arriving a wee bit early! grin

blonderthanred Sun 07-Oct-12 19:19:31

Welcome home Evil and congratulations Chick! Hope all ok and look forward to hearing more when you are feeling up to it.

Catbag Sun 07-Oct-12 19:27:20

Evil Yay! Massive congratulations! Wrt breastfeeding- I can echo what someone else said further up ( can't remember who, sorry sad ). My youngest used to find breastfeeding v. tiring and fall asleep after a couple of minutes of feeding. I used to have to sit her up and wind her vigorously or change her nappy half way through just so she got a decent feed in one go. Otherwise she'd fall asleep for 20 mins and then demand feeding again. I'm so glad you're home. Love to see some pics when you're up to it smile

chick Wow! Congratulations to you too! You do sound rather shocked, lol. Hope you lose the 'hit by a truck' feeling soon and again, we'd love to see pics and have details when you're ready smile

Can't believe my babies are hanging on so long. I am so past being ready for them, I can't even begin to express it. I've stretched beyond what I thought I was capable of, and frankly the (TMI ALERT) piles that I have are making me utterly miserable. I have been fastidious in their treatment and have been having daily salt baths to try and help, but I think the pressure from above means there's no way they are going down until the babies are out.

DH has caught Freshers' Flu and very kindly passed it on to me, so I really do feel crappy regardless of pregnancy symptoms. Been worrying that the nasty cough that DH has (which can be characterised thusly: cough cough cough COUGH COUGH HACK retch, occasionally sick) means that if they were born now and had to go into SCBU that he would not be allowed to visit them. Although I guess I'm 35 weeks tomorrow, so the likelihood of a SCBU stay is decreasing daily.

Starting to think I will be pregnant forever. DH keeps laughing at me (inbetween coughing fits), pointing out that it's biologically improbable. I scowl. It does feel like it is possible right now :/

Wow chick hope you are both doing well, look forward to hearing details. Can't believe how early some of these babies are turning up! I'd like mine to stay in for at least 3 weeks I'm def not ready!

horseylady Sun 07-Oct-12 19:43:28

Worked all weekend flat out. Am shattered now!!!

Congrats chick too!! Glad you're home evil, hope your son continues to improve daisy!!

Dh made African eggs for tea!! Were quite nice!! He's trying to find as many quick meals as possible!! He's also counting down the days till the baby can eat meat lol having just added more lamb to the freezer (and a wife who doesn't like meat!!)

Last week at work this week!! Also having lots of bh too!! Still got a while to go yet though!!

My cousin has just given me loads and loads of clothes etc for the little man!!! We had some cake and arranged lots of coffee mornings!!

Catbag Sun 07-Oct-12 19:46:56

What are African eggs, Horsey?

horseylady Sun 07-Oct-12 19:54:28

Some gordon Ramsey recipie!! Tomatoes, peppers, onion, garlic, chilli and the eggs sort of poached/fried in them. They were tasty actually!!

YellowWellies Sun 07-Oct-12 19:59:50

I was wondering that too - sounds yum - a bit like huevos rancheros

Catbag Sun 07-Oct-12 19:59:50

Ooo Horsey, that sounds amazing. May have to have a Google...

Evilwater Sun 07-Oct-12 20:00:53

The chick, congrats.

It's not, being hit by a truck. It's like being hit by a load loader full of massive HGVs.


horseylady Sun 07-Oct-12 20:01:53

Yeah do!!! North African eggs they were good, took 20minutes including prep. Worth trying them.

kissyfur Sun 07-Oct-12 20:04:47

Wow congratulations thechick! Hope you and baby are both doing well. You were due the same day as me! Think I'd best get my hospital bag packed too!

Good to hear from you daisy hope your baby boys are home with you soon

Welcome home evil and baby Nicholas grin

I'm 34 weeks tomorrow and really feeling it now too. Had some horrid stretching pains on the bump today too

kirrinIsland Sun 07-Oct-12 20:08:55

Welcome home evil

Can someone tell me how to join the facebook group please? I need to see photos!

TheDetective Sun 07-Oct-12 20:11:25

This baby is going crazy! It just pushed my belly button out, when my belly button isn't close to popping out!! shock

I'm watching a birth pool on eBay with 2 bids on it, its at £1.04. Wish me luck!

TheDetective Sun 07-Oct-12 20:11:36

It has 10 minutes left!

ValiumQueen Sun 07-Oct-12 20:15:23

I have looked for evils photos on FB and cannot see them.

StuntNun Sun 07-Oct-12 20:18:17

VQ only DH21 can see them because she's FB friends with Evil (to get her into the Nov 12 group).

blonderthanred Sun 07-Oct-12 20:19:19

Ooh good luck Detective, I'm watching something on Ebay too, 3 mins to go!

StuntNun Sun 07-Oct-12 20:20:45

Kirrin just PM DH21 with your real name and a description of your FB profile picture so she can add you to the group.

ValiumQueen Sun 07-Oct-12 20:21:06

Did you get it?

StuntNun Sun 07-Oct-12 20:21:20

Did you get it Detective (waits with baited breath)...

ValiumQueen Sun 07-Oct-12 20:22:17

Thanks stunt I thought perhaps she had blocked me grin

pikz Sun 07-Oct-12 20:22:33

Congrats the chick! This all becoming very real now!

Lots of BH for me. Hoping I a least hold on for a couple more weeks, which I should do 34 weeks this Tuesday.

Hope home is all good Evil.

ValiumQueen Sun 07-Oct-12 20:22:36

We're we all watching it?

TheDetective Sun 07-Oct-12 20:24:45

Bollocks. No.

Went too high for me sad

Just been looking at completed listings, and it finished a few days ago unsold, and was re-listed! GUTTED!

Evilwater Sun 07-Oct-12 20:25:32

I will put them on FB but he needs to feed first. Fingers crossed.

StuntNun Sun 07-Oct-12 20:28:13

Don't hurry Evil, baby comes first.

ValiumQueen Sun 07-Oct-12 20:29:38

Sunday night is the best time to end for sellers, worst for buyers.

ValiumQueen Sun 07-Oct-12 20:30:37

Why can you not just use a paddling pool? No doubt a silly question.

Catbag Sun 07-Oct-12 20:31:26

Detective? Did the bidding increase in the last 30 seconds? That's what it usually does with me. When not pregnant that isn't a problem, but I keep forgetting I'm watching something and then wandering off when there's only 20 secs to go <<facepalm>>

Catbag Sun 07-Oct-12 20:32:45

Oops, cross post, sorry detective sad

TheDetective Sun 07-Oct-12 20:35:03

It did - I bid at 8s left, but it went way beyond what would be reasonable for a second hand pool!

VQ you can, but I would prefer a specific one, it has a seat, and grips on the side. Plus you get a kit with it, which I want, because otherwise emptying the damn thing will prove... interesting!

TheDetective Sun 07-Oct-12 20:35:20

And I want it to be strong and purpose built for my whale like state!

Catbag Sun 07-Oct-12 20:38:20

Omg, it's just happened again. I got distracted looking at an item on Amazon when I was getting ready to bid in the last minute on ebay for exactly the same item, but muchos cheaper. I am an idiot. Babies? Give Mummy her IQ back sad

GTbaby Sun 07-Oct-12 20:38:50

Hi detective they won't 100% confirm it. Which is annoying. They r like u pretty much deff have it. It is almost certain u have it. Spoken to 2 different dr on phone. Last night n again tonight. Keep being told "come in Monday and we can discuss it in mean time monitor movement n come in if things change with baby" so I'm confused.

Like I asked if its not OC what other causes could they be. N was just told its highly likely its OC.

I guess I'll find out tomorrow.

Think ill call gp tomorrow about jab. That whole thing is so annoying!

ValiumQueen Sun 07-Oct-12 20:41:14

Scabies grin joking obviously blush

TheDetective Sun 07-Oct-12 20:42:00

What are your bile acid levels? That is the only indicator - either your levels are above or below!

Wonder why they have said that!

Elizadoesdolittle Sun 07-Oct-12 20:45:22

Had a nice time at the baby and toddler show although I was probably only in there just over an hour. I got one of those cuddle dry towels too blonder and a few other bits. Nothing too thrilling but was nice to look at baby stuff and went for a nice lunch after at wagamamas smile

I'm spoo tired tonight. DH not long back from a weekend in Spain so is equally as tired for different reasons. I hope I sleep better tonight. This non sleeping lark is driving me insane!

evil I remember when I had my DD I wish someone had told me how constant the feeding is to start with. I think for the first 2 weeks she bearly left my tit! All the tickling and blowing on the face to keep her feeding is bringing it all back to me. I knows it's hard but rest in between feeding as much as you can. God knows how ill manage to breastfeed this one with DD needing attention and taking places but there we go. I'll just do my best. It's all we can do.

blonderthanred Sun 07-Oct-12 20:46:53

Lost mine too, 9s to go. It was above what I was prepared to pay.

TheDetective Sun 07-Oct-12 20:47:23


And I have the heartburn from hell.

Arse. Can I blame DP?!!!

TheDetective Sun 07-Oct-12 20:48:07

I'll give it til Wednesday, then i'll start panicking! I'm going to put a plea out on facebook I think!

kirrin you don't need to pm me because I've made the group searchable, just look for 'nov 12 babies' on fb it will prob be the first group to appear then click 'join group'

pikz you've got the same due date as me, I'm also 34 weeks on Tues smile

MissMummy1 Sun 07-Oct-12 20:55:32

Congrats Chick! You sound like you have quite a story to tell. Hope you're both doing okay xx

Yay to evil getting home!

This is all getting a bit real and scary!!

I think I have a cold and DH is in an arsey mood this evening. Not a great evening in the MissMummy1 household. sad Think I'll just go to bed....

blonderthanred Sun 07-Oct-12 21:02:17

Glad you enjoyed the B&T show Eliza, did you get the cow print Cuddledry or another one? Wish I'd thought of having a Wagamamas after.

kirrinIsland Sun 07-Oct-12 21:06:59

Bummer on the birth pool detective - are there many on there?

GT sympathy for the itching sad

Thanks stunt and DH - i'll do that shortly.....

YellowWellies Sun 07-Oct-12 21:08:16

Arse, arse, arse.... fecking foetal brain theft Ebay woes here too. A jumper for the wee one that I totally fell in love with, and was confident I had a ridiculously high top bid on for, went in the last 20 secs whilst I was fannying around with hospital bag. It's put me in a miserable mood as I've not seen anything like it before or since. Am far too upset about this for it to be a rational response dodgy knitwear

TheDetective Sun 07-Oct-12 21:08:26

A few - not many close to me. I've messaged a few sellers, as a lot are collection only, and some have said yes to me arranging a courier.

But those ones are all the ones that have gone really high for a second hand pool hmm

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sun 07-Oct-12 21:21:10

Congratulations chick I hope you feel better soon, I remember the feeling well.

evil feeding is so hard in the first few weeks. Do not be put off. I agree with the tickling etc to try keep baby awake. It doesn't stay like that forever but it sure feels like it at the time :-(

TheDetective Sun 07-Oct-12 21:21:37

How surprising - a Rolo dessert just cured my raging heartburn! Result! Tip there for you ladies!

Kyzordz Sun 07-Oct-12 21:22:31

Taken me ages to finally get on my laptop to post something, but congratulations Evil and TheChick! Hope you both and babies are doing well :D Nice to hear from Whereis and Daisytoo, and i'm sure there was something else I wanted to say to someone in particular, but I can't for the life of me remember what it was!

I've got my WC and Flu jabs booked for Thursday coming. Saw MW Thursday just gone and bean is 4/5 engaged according to my notes, and spot on for measurements so all is well here. I feel like an elephant and did the silliest thing and weighed myself last night. Why, oh why, did I do that? I shan't be doing it again I don't think :| I hope to god I lose the weight, i've gained heaps :|

Having wicked heartburn now and night times are horrible sad I slept for 4 hours today but it wasn't extra sleep, just made up for last night and how rubbish that was! I thought sleeping was hard enough but this past week or so has been awful. Am 35+1 now so not long left, hope he doesn't decide to stay in there longer than his cooking time!

I do always read the threads but don't often reply because i'm normally on my phone rather than my laptop. Hope everyone is good, anyway smile Will keep on reading everything and try to keep up!

kirrinIsland Sun 07-Oct-12 21:22:38

YW that is a cute jumper, but keep an eye out, there's bound to be other nice ones coming up.
I completely forget about something I was watching the other week, so missed out - and it went pretty cheap too. I was really cross with myself.

detective i didn't realise pools were so in demand. Is it possible to hire one?

TheDetective Sun 07-Oct-12 21:28:15

More expensive to hire one! I've looked!

Kyzords Rolo dessert - job done grin

DP just facebook messaged me. We are in the same room. On our computers.

Is this a sign of things to come?!

Catbag Sun 07-Oct-12 21:31:07

Lol Detective -that's been the standard in our house for a while. The kids message me from their rooms to ask when dinner will be ready or to just chat. DH and I communicate that way on Skype cos he's usually working in the study about 10 feet away and he can't be arsed to move grin

Catbag Sun 07-Oct-12 21:31:43

Or raise his voice :s

Elizadoesdolittle Sun 07-Oct-12 21:40:35

blonder I was tempted by the cow print one but went for a boring plain one in the end.

Dixiebell Sun 07-Oct-12 21:53:58

I kept losing eBay items by forgetting too, have been looking for a buggy board. Someone told me about these sniping websites like Just Snipe, which bid for you at last 10 secs. Only tried once and my highest bid wasn't enough but at least I actually bid!

Congrats thechick hope you are ok x

I have also had terrible heartburn today. Actually I have it most days now and it keeps me awake at night too. I find Rennies work and although I've read they're safe to take in pregnancy I still don't like to take them too often and when I don't I suffer.

Jealous that babies are arriving already and it feels like I still have ages to go envy From memory most of you are due before me.

Evilwater Sun 07-Oct-12 22:06:18

I've just posted a pic on the facebook.
Hoping to get some sleep.

ValiumQueen Sun 07-Oct-12 22:11:13

I was gonna say snipe!

ValiumQueen Sun 07-Oct-12 22:14:23

Gorgeous evil you must be very proud!

GTbaby Sun 07-Oct-12 22:17:41

Det she mentioned my liver function test. Saying it was low. N said acid bile tests won't b available till Monday. Which is y I don't understand y they sound so certain it's OC.

MissMummy1 Sun 07-Oct-12 22:38:53

Gone to bed in the spare room in a strop. Can't sleep, typical! Can't even remember why I'm in a strop, fecking hormones!

I have an ebay app on my phone. It's set to beep 5 mins before something i'm watching or bidding on ends. It usually has a negative impact as it makes it so easy to bid on things you don't really need. Today for instance, I've bought 20 new newborn sleepsuits on eBay after getting in a state because we only have tiny baby (thanks yw's sister, although fc won't need them!) and 0-3 months. fecking hormones again. I also lost work this week due to a client's family bereavement, so really shouldn't be spending money given I've earned £50 max this week! (less than I used to get in tips working in a bar as a student blush).

Ebay is like my best friend: always there when I need something, but 9 times out of 10 encourages me to do buy something totally ridiculous!

Lane81 Sun 07-Oct-12 22:39:28

Congrats chick!!! Who will be next???

Catbag Sun 07-Oct-12 22:44:38

Me? Please?

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sun 07-Oct-12 22:58:43

Or me!!

Iheartpasties Mon 08-Oct-12 01:21:11

oh wow - so exciting to hear of a new baby joing our group, and lovely to hear about the other babies too. Fingers crossed your LO daisy will be home soon.

I'm off to the midwife soon, I hope it's a good meeting and I can get my head straight!

I need to wipe my hospital bag out and then pack it, everything is ready for it, it just smelled a bit musty from being in the garage.

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 08-Oct-12 02:54:00

Me please as I am awake with bad BH/ trapped wind/ baby moving down any of these. Uncomfy sad

Catbag Mon 08-Oct-12 03:28:33

Meh. Up again at 3:26am. Been in bed since 11pm but can't sleep due to immense girth/ blocked nose/ acid reflux. DH has got up with me and made me a hot milk and honey drink. Good DH grin

Kyzordz Mon 08-Oct-12 04:16:29

This not sleeping thing isn't much fun at all sad

May have to give the tool desserts a go now detective! I discovered yesterday matchmakers seem to make it ten times worse so I'm avoiding those now sad

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 08-Oct-12 05:50:56

Really painful BH. Almost could believe this is is, but don't think they are regular.

Argh I get a blokes nose the min I lie down to go to sleep its SO annoying!

I'm going to start washing baby things next week then start packing the bag afterwards so around 35/ 36 weeks. Getting excited now!

horseylady Mon 08-Oct-12 07:31:24

Last Monday at work!!!! Last week at work for 9months!!!! Scary!!!

I weighed myself this morning have put on 10kg weight seems fairly stableish now?!

CandyPop Mon 08-Oct-12 07:40:09

Congrats evil! Lovely name smile

And what a surprise chick many congrats to u too! Yikes my EDD is 17th nov is basically right next to urs! I also think Iost a bit my mucus plug yesterday :/ Like liliana I better pack that maternity bag.....

Had my first full day of ante natal class yesterday. I'm really confused about the whooping cough vaccine now. Nct teacher basically said that it hasn't been approved or tested on pregnant women and the manufacturers actually said they do not recommend to pregnant women ?! That's the opposite of the governments advise??? I have my jab this morning at 9.30!

CandyPop Mon 08-Oct-12 07:41:52

Don't know what to do do. Seems like everyone on here is having it?! Anyone choosing not to have it?

Iheartpasties Mon 08-Oct-12 07:58:02

ok these 2 made me laugh - loving the autocorrects!!
kyzordz tool desserts (rolo desserts?!)
dh21 blokes nose (blocked nose?!)

Iheartpasties Mon 08-Oct-12 08:01:59

Sorry candypop i dont have any advice with the jab.

I saw mt midwife today - she scanned me and baby is head down, yippee. I'm measuring spot on - heat beat good etc. We fully went over my old notes and i just feel 100% better about everything. It was good and not rushed and i cleared up a few niggly worries of mine.

We seem to have a name as well! I think its dh's number choice and im happy to use it, i named dd so i guess its fair!! we will use my family middle name (if its a boy) that goes back several hundred years!! It's traditional Cornish and very unique and I'm very happy with it. For a girl the middle name is equally exciting!!!!!

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 08-Oct-12 08:05:24

candy that's a bit naughty of the teacher considering the impact of a baby actually contracting WH. I have to say I had loads of doubts before I had it and i am still not 100% .But I have done lots of reading and spoken to an ex ObGyn in the states where they use it a lot and he said he and his colleges would be advising me to have it. When I went to have it the nurse at the surgery said one of the first people to come and demand the jab was a pregnant GP.

One whole night of painful BH I feel ok now I am up and moving around, apart from tired out. I was wondering if it really was it but am glad it's. Ot as I was going to start to batch cooking for the freezer this week, and the house needs a once thrice over after the weekendgrin. AND I am off to the mega Tesco this morning to do a bit of a bumper stock up shop!

I think I might put some paracetemol in my bedside drawer incase it happens again.

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 08-Oct-12 08:06:39

pasties I actually thought she did mean blokes nose! grin I thought it was a good analogy.

ValiumQueen Mon 08-Oct-12 08:08:56

candy your NCT person should keep her opinions to what she knows about. That is purely her unqualified opinion and I feel quite angry that she has voiced it. She should advise you to discuss it with a healthcare professional! Very unprofessional of her.

The vaccine is not 'recommended' in pregnancy as nothing is. Nothing can be tested in pregnancy due to ethics. There is advice from the department of health to vaccinate all pregnant women to protect the unborn baby. They do not do this on a whim. They look at risks and benefits. I encourage you to talk to your doctor if you are worried, and look at the whooping cough threads here, and the DOH website.

pasties good news indeed x

CandyPop Mon 08-Oct-12 08:13:14

Thanks vallium. I'm gonna call try midwife before my appointment and also speak to my doctor as I have an appointment with her for the jab anyway.

Argh another 2.30am wake up, dropped off again at 5 only to be woken by DP in a flap at 6.30 because he was late leaving for work. Still everything is done now, just sitting for 15 before leaving.

I'm having real problems with DS1 at the moment, he's just turned 8 and yet I feel like the parent of two 5 year olds. They have both been parented exactly the same but DS1 almost seems stuck at the maturity level he is at, no table manners, no sincerity or responsibility in him and he seems incapable if being sensible any of the time. It's wearing me down at the moment tbh. sad

Only a few errands to run today although might have to cancel mw because I'm lacking in childcare but I do have the consultant Friday morning anyway.

Raining and more raining here this morning.

LOL pasties yes I meant blocked!! Haha I didn't even notice!

Passmethecrisps Mon 08-Oct-12 08:35:01

My goodness! I go away for a weekend and two more babies happen! Congrats thechick and evil!

I need quick opinions. At about 2am this morning I woke up because I was soaking wet. My night shirt was wet all over but absolutely drenched through on one boob. My pants were soaking but the bed was not. The back of my nightie was dry - just the front was wet. Any thoughts?

If if was my waters would I not have wet the bed? Bed was dry. It wasn't wee because I have sniffed everything and it doesn't smell at all. Sweat?

Passmethecrisps Mon 08-Oct-12 08:37:12

Oh and rowing a windy day makes children go bonkers! Genuinely, windy weather makes younger children louder and more 'naughty'. A bit like cats and dogs sometimes go a bit crazy when there is a real gale blowing. Not all children but in a classroom or in the playground it is really noticeable.

StuntNun Mon 08-Oct-12 08:45:53

Candy the vaccine has not been tested on pregnant women however there is no reason to assume it is not safe. There is a small but real risk that your baby will contract whooping cough and will almost certainly need to be hospitalised if this happens. You need to weigh up the risk of your baby getting sick against the slim chance of the vaccine causing a problem. The vaccine does not contain any live virus so there is no risk of you getting the disease from it. As with all vaccines there is a small risk of side effects but remember you will happily let your child have this vaccine later in life. There is a possibility that your child may not produce as a good an immune response when he/she receives it later on but this cannot be judged at this time and will be mitigated by the fact that the vaccine is given repeatedly. This would be more if a concern for a vaccine that is only given once such as the BCG.

Evilwater Mon 08-Oct-12 08:51:27

Just a quick update,
Last night we had to get formula milk as I had none in the breast. Tip for you ladies. grin

He must have suckled on me for about an hour! Constantly! (Not like him so far) and still wanted more! We triple checked his nappy, rocked him to the moon.sad
His crying was the worst, as we tryed everything, and he just got louder, and looked very unhappy and wanted my breast! He looked dry too. sad sad

Yes my nipples are sore, but im not giving up, i just got the hang of breastfeeding. so next time he is going back on there. smile

horseylady Mon 08-Oct-12 08:52:11

Pass could be sweat? I've been a lot more sweaty than normal?!

Wrt the wc vaccine it's the same vaccine you're baby will have at 8 or 12 weeks. To me that's enough and that it's recommended! But it's your choice. My nct lady was the same. I'm having it at 330.

Passmethecrisps Mon 08-Oct-12 08:56:28

horsey that's what I reckon. I have just given everything an extra-hard sniff and there is no smell at all. I had been dreaming about babies so I think I was havig boob leakage and sweats. I don't normally wear anything to bed so maybe the nightshirt was just too warm.

evil good luck with feeding. Whatever happens I am sure it will be for the best

Evilwater Mon 08-Oct-12 08:57:04

Pass was there anything in dampness? I had a few white bits, which narrowed it down.

kirrinIsland Mon 08-Oct-12 09:01:03

pass I keep waking up dripping sweat (very glamourous) so it could be that?

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 08-Oct-12 09:02:35

evil keep it up! Get yourself a treat...your doing a fab job!

Passmethecrisps Mon 08-Oct-12 09:03:47

I think so kirrin.

I just called triage and she asked me to put a pad on and call back if it kept being wet. She also checked that noone could have thrown water over me in the middle of the night - not unless he isn't admitting it!

Passmethecrisps Mon 08-Oct-12 09:06:10

evil I remember you saying that. No way of knowing - certainly nothing obvious. Woman in triage seemed pretty relaxed. No pain to accompany it either today or this morning. I think you should have something delicious for breakfast (I know you have probably been up for hours)

ValiumQueen Mon 08-Oct-12 09:07:04

pass your breasts are clearly gearing up, which explains the damp top, plus your lady bits are doing the same. I have been experiencing an alarming amount of moisture, and it is not wee or sweat, but not in large enough amounts to be my waters. If it were your waters, the bed would likely be wet, and moving around, especially getting up would result in a gush, maybe big, maybe small, but you would know it was a gush.

evil make sure you put cream on your nipples as you need to protect them now they are sore. Lanisoh is good. After each feed. No need to wash off before feeding. The odd bit of formula will not hurt, but do persevere with feeding. It is normal for bf babies to be like he was last night. It can be pretty constant, especially late afternoons and evenings. Make sure he is on the breast as much as you can tolerate. Even if he is not getting milk through, he is stimulating your breasts to produce more. It is frustrating for him, and distressing for you, but you will get there. I personally wake my babies if they have not fed for 3 hours. DD2 slept for 10 hours the night after she was born, and I had asked the MWs to wake me and her, but they did not. I was so angry as it put us back considerably. If there is a bottle to be given, try to get DH to give it. Baby needs to associate you with milk, as a bottle is easier for him. He needs to work hard for your milk. You are doing so well, and every drop he gets is priceless, but if it is too much for you remember it is your choice. Take one feed at a time. Even though I was an experienced feeder when DD2 came along, there were times I wanted to give up, and was in tears, but I kept at it. Feeding a 10lb baby has its challenges!

Iheartpasties Mon 08-Oct-12 09:08:49

evil it's so lovely to get your updates. Take everything as it comes, one day at a time, one feed at a time smile

pass leaking boob?

tits sorry O have no advice for an 8 year old. I'm sure all children no matter their age go through extremely trying phases.

Evilwater Mon 08-Oct-12 09:09:26

Well dad, has done loads.grin
I'm taking over as he has to go to uni, and cause he is self-employed he will have to do some work. So I'm up, to make sure he can get a few good hours.


Evilwater Mon 08-Oct-12 09:16:50

Pass good if it is.

ValiumQueen Mon 08-Oct-12 09:17:44

Gosh evil your man is having to go to work? DH will not get paid pat leave, but if he goes out for anything I will kill him! (except to take the kids out, like that would ever happen) you really are doing fabulously, and I too love hearing from you.

tits is this a new or long standing thing with your boy? Some days the 2yo is the mature one in my brood. DD1 is 6 but wants to be a baby, is jealous of her little sister, and is being a PITA. This morning she was pretending to read a (make believe) story called 'how to kill babies' I was furious! It is important to remember that even though she is older, she is still a little person who knows her life is about to change. Could your boy be feeling similar things, or is it just that he is a little scamp?

ValiumQueen Mon 08-Oct-12 09:18:55

evil what was it like when your waters went? You said about the white bits, but was it a flood, or dribble?

horsey Same here - last monday and last week at work smile My dog always looks so sad when I go to work and leave him. Usually DP is there because he works completely different times to me but on a monday he leaves before me so I have to go out and leave the dog on his own and I feel so guilty. Glad I'll be home with him from next week.

Candy It was wrong of her to voice her personal opinion which goes completely against the guidelines. Like someone else said, they don't decide to vaccinate a whole group of people on a whim. It is completely your choice but I know that if I didn't have it and then my baby caught whooping cough the guilt would be unbearable. I know several people including young children that have had it recently as well so I think that has convinced me to have it.

Evilwater Mon 08-Oct-12 09:25:50

Started like a trickle, but wouldn't stop.

georgee Mon 08-Oct-12 09:31:44

Congrats evil, Nicholas is a lovely name and he is a beautiful boy. Congrats to thechick too, look forward to getting the details when you're ready!

Just checking in really. Have been reading everything but not having time to post. Also to say I'm getting my WC vaccine this pm, they seem to be fairly clued up now. I was away on hols last week so couldn't do anything about it and was hearing about all the delays in Scotland but phoned this morning and this surgery in Edinburgh seems stocked and willing to give it, phew. Thanks to all those who pushed their surgeries for it, I'm sure it all helps!

33 weeks here. Feel fairly OK (probably because we've just been on hols) - one more week until the bus/train/lorry hits at the 34 week mark!

Have a good day everyone!

Evilwater Mon 08-Oct-12 09:32:07

Yep, it just wouldn't stop. I managed to wet a whole hand towel, plus it had a few white bits in. The colour changed from a pale yellow to clear with white bits in.

DP reckons he gets his normal pay for paternity leave hmm I am dubious and budgeting for the minimum they are allowed to pay him because he does have a tendency to get these things wrong. But even if he didn't get paid a penny he still wouldn't be going in.

WaitingForMe Mon 08-Oct-12 09:37:13

Your babies are adorable Evil and TheChick.

I can't believe you were dancing Liliana! DH and I realised that this weekend might be our last together as we have my stepsons every weekend for the rest of October. So we went out for dinner on Saturday night and it absolutely exhausted me. The food was amazing but I was too tired to stay up and have dessert and asked to be taken home.

DH read the instructions for the TENS machine I bought off a friend last night. Her husband left it until she was in labour which she really didn't recommend. I've been super organised from day one but am amazed at how the weeks are flying by, especially now I get so much less done in a week!

Evil - Lovely to hear about your gorgeous boys.
Congratulations TheChick!!

I got up in the night for a wee and had awful back ache, felt a bit period pain like. I was a bit worried but I think it might be a culmination of not being able to find comfy sleep positions and maybe my bladder and baby squashing me from the inside.

Got the day off today and then only 8 days to work. Got the builders coming to look at some dodgy brickwork today but not sure what time so I'm going to have to be presentable at all times.
Going to do a bit of fettling if I can manage it, got friends from London coming to stay at the weekend

LittleLolly Mon 08-Oct-12 09:37:27

Congratulations evil hope the breastfeeding gets easier! Lovely name.

Wow chick congratulations on your surprise arrival too! Hope you and baby are ok.

I'm 37 weeks today, got midwife appointment later. I've got a rash all over my arms and bump and back, it's so itchy! Looks like an allergic reaction to something, but I've never been allergic to anything before!

Wonder when the next baby will arrive <fingers and toes crossed, please let it be me soon!!>

DH doesn't qualify for paid paternity leave as he changed jobs a couple of months ago. As far as I know he's told them he's taking two weeks off anyway, which i'm presuming will be unpaid unless he can use holidays for some of it.

He keeps saying "I might qualify for SPP" and I keep pointing out that it's a government thing not a work thing, so he definitely doesn't. Whether his company decided to pay him something that's up to them but they don't have to. Don't know why he can't grasp this grinangry

37 weeks!! <wails>
I've got ages to go!! Am I the latest one?

[going to go browse the stats list]

You're definitely not the last Fatima. I'm only 34+2. If I go overdue I could still have 8 weeks to go! Don't want to think about that.

ValiumQueen Mon 08-Oct-12 09:48:13

little that rash sounds nasty. Good you are seeing MW.

I had some period pains in the night, like I did when induced with DD1, so I said to DH on waking that I wondered if things were going to kick off, especially with the dampness. He said, rather sharply, that surely I would know by now if I was going into labour. It is my third! Yes, and I was induced with the first, and had an ELCS with the second! I have never gone into labour naturally, but could with this one. He has put on weight recently, always does when I am pg, and feels uncomfy and worried about his health, and how he will manage. Hmm. I have so much sympathy. Not. Grr.

Iheartpasties Mon 08-Oct-12 09:48:26

whats fettling fatima? smile

ValiumQueen Mon 08-Oct-12 09:49:47

fatima he is a man. The only thing you can be sure they will grasp is their dick.

Nope Fatima I'm 35+3 and praying he comes at 37/38 weeks instead of 40+ smile

I would love to have a couple of weeks at home before baby arrives because that would be a luxury for me but hoping for a Halloween baby.

Iheartpasties Mon 08-Oct-12 09:55:57

oh yes i am hoping for a halloween baby - also its full moon on the 28th (i think) so maybe a few of us will have babies that night!!!! yippee.

I'm 33+3!
When I woke up with back ache I thought 'not long now' but then thought it's actually over 6 weeks just to my due date. I'm also hoping for a 37/38 weeker smile For some reason I seem to think that being an IVF baby it'd have more chance of coming early or on time, although I know this isn't true.

VQ I hope you kicked him in the shins wink

IHeart Fettling is cleaning. And with that, i'm going to go fettle the bedroom

Iheartpasties Mon 08-Oct-12 09:57:58

hehe - fettling sounds kinda dirty, but if it's cleaning, then it isnt!!

horseylady Mon 08-Oct-12 10:01:17

I'm nearly 37. I think I'll go over in all honesty.

No sign of anything starting yet. Quite happy for that to be the case for a short while!! Still not totally sorted with everything!!

Would also like to finish work!!

Passmethecrisps Mon 08-Oct-12 10:16:38

horsey I am impressed that you are working another week. I am officially on holiday this week and next but I am not certain I could work another week. I am 35+5 today and just want to laze about. Not even sure I have the energy to do the tidying which desperately needs done.

Our sitting room is filled with car seats, baby baths, clothes and so on. There seems no point in moving them upstairs to th baby's room as it is still to be painted and have furniture moved in and out. It is nothing like a nursery and everything like a dumping ground again. I think I will need to jut shift things as I can't properely relax when there is stuff all over the place.

At the weekend we were with PIL while attending a sort of charity gathering thing. I forgot to pack my gaviscon but found some tablets in my bag. Completely stupidly I forgot to then take those with me. I spent the entire evening with a throat full of acid. By 11pm I was having to swallow to stop from being sick. Miserable. Annoyingly, back home last night with a massive bottle at my side and not a single sign of needing - typical.

MissMummy1 Mon 08-Oct-12 10:24:57

Nope fatima I'm a whole week behind you! 32 +3..... sad

NervousAt20 Mon 08-Oct-12 10:27:53

shock congratulations thechick hope you and baby are both okay!!!

daisy glad your back at home and not in to much pain, hopefully your LO keeps gaining weight and will be joining you very soon

Glad your home evil smile

Wow lots of babies starting to arrive early! I'm hoping for a Halloween baby too grin

I'm now on maternity leave!!! So still in bed now but going to drag myself out now

Passmethecrisps Mon 08-Oct-12 10:30:15

I just saw the thread for May 2013 babies. I remember when that was us. We are all really close even though it doesn't really feel like it.

horseylady Mon 08-Oct-12 10:41:05

Pass yes another week here, another two weeks if not more at another job.

I feel ok, so happy with my decision. Also I'm on holiday from here next week and the week after!! So maternity doesn't start till the 28th for me. Think ill be 39+4 then.

It's my first so will prob be late!!

CandyPop Mon 08-Oct-12 10:44:37

Thanks everyone for ur advice . Turns out, went to gp and they didn't have their delivery . So buys me more time to research. It's just such a hard decision . I'm more inclined to take it but the dh is more concerned with the not known affects on a unborn baby. Hmmm.... Either way, no one can give a definitive 'this is the right thing to do' one way or the other and the responsibility ultimate lies with us .... This is stressy!!!

YellowWellies Mon 08-Oct-12 10:54:39

Horsey I'm the same - am keeping going as long as I can (and like you am convinced it'll be a late first baby), though more of my work will be done at home I reckon. I'm only two days a week in the office now but could reduce to one day or even no days a week being physically in the office (or only there for meetings) - my client is so lovely, am very lucky to be working for them when preggers (when I think of previous nightmare clients). Would go feral if I were just sitting on the sofa or bankrupt us on Ebay

ValiumQueen Mon 08-Oct-12 10:54:49

candy tell him about the known risk of death if baby gets WC. Bit blunt, but sometimes blunt is needed.

pass I wish I could have my living room covered in baby stuff, but with a 2yo, it would not stay in neat piles. I have been trying to sort the nursery again today. It is like one of those puzzles with just the one square missing, so you need to shift everything around a dozen times to finish. DD2 is playing nicely in her sisters bedroom so is letting me get on, which is very good of her.

candy Remember our babies are fully developed now and the vaccination is exactly the same one they will be given at 8 weeks anyway.

MissMummy1 Mon 08-Oct-12 10:57:49

How annoying candy that they didn't even have it! I'm having similar doubts over whether or not to have it (also fuelled by a worrying dh!). It's not a live virus so in essence it should only be antibodies that are passed onto junior from us, however the reason they don't give the vaccine to babies under 8 weeks is because their bodies can't handle the extra antibodies. If we were immunised as children ourselves then they will already recieve some protection. Interestingly (and it would seem which paper you read for the exact number as I've read anything from 5 to 19) all the babies who have died from wc this year were born to parents who were not immunised as chileren. There have also been no deaths and no significant increase of serious cases in scotland this year. I'm very sceptical of a mass publicity scare broadcast and sudden announcement that all pregnant women must have the vaccine when it's widely documented that babies younger than 8 weeks cannot cope with the strain of additional antibodies. (I'm also very sceptical of any sudden 'new medical interventions' in pregnancy - just think thalidomide...)

This is just my opinion. I am still undecided on whether or not to have it, and as I'm only 32 weeks and my surgery are useless I want another week or two to do my own research before making any decisions!

<awaits torrent of abuse from the pro-wc jab crowd grin >

YellowWellies Mon 08-Oct-12 11:02:20

Candy I'm v cross with your NCT lady - she's really not thought the whole issue through - I mean, how can they test a vaccine on pregnant women and their babies? You're not going to find any research saying that this has been done and has concluded the jags are safe. Think about it - what pregnant woman would sign up to take part in such a medical trial? Nothing is able to be tested on preggo ladies and babies, where there is any serious potential risk - it is just not feasible. It's also entirely unethical but then in the 50s and 60s they used to test foetal risk from jags and other medicines on women in the third world, or incarcerated in Chinese prisons, and their babies... thank god we don't do that anymore.

I'm comfy (as a scientist) in taking the jag given that my wee one would be considered safe to have it from as young as 8 weeks old. There is very little physiological difference between an 8 weeker and a baby just a few weeks from birth. If it were very early in pregnancy i.e. the first trimester when there are massive physiological developments going on - I wouldn't touch any injection with someone elses.

It's very much horses for courses but for me the choice (and I'm a total paranoid and also a bit of a hippy - so do normally agree with the NCT on lots of things) was pretty clear having seen babies with WH in the NICU when my niece was there. It is a horrible and very fatal condition in the very young.

horseylady Mon 08-Oct-12 11:03:21

Candy I think it's a personal decision. We spoke about it, and decided to go for it. If it offers the baby instant protection at birth and so I will have it.

I keep having twitching etc above my eyes. Very odd?!

NervousAt20 Mon 08-Oct-12 11:04:01

Last week I was having a tantrum over something, can't remember what blush but at the time it was a big deal so I brought a pink lining bag even though I was adamant that I would not spend that amount of money on a changing bag then regretted it and now its arrived I love it but seems im the only person that's excited about it sad <<sits in the corner holding my bag>>

MissMummy1 Mon 08-Oct-12 11:07:51

Hahaha nervous - I bought a carseat on dhs credit card (amongst some expensive unessential other things) last time i was in a major (by major I mean worse than my usual unreasonable door slamming outbursts when I don't get my own way) strops. Wish I'd thought to buy the pink lining changing bag I wanted too!

YellowWellies Mon 08-Oct-12 11:09:54

Hmm don't know why I wrote WH rather than WC there!!!

MM1 it's v personal, but I'd rather that junior faced the additional antibody burden in the womb than in the early weeks of their life on the outside - as they are much less vulnerable in utero than in the early days and my body can, to some degree, protect them and filter what they receive through the placenta. Once on the outside - I can't do anything to help in that way, and if they are born with breathing difficulties or other issues - problems feeding, whatever (which would really compromise their ability to cope with a jag or god forbid, WC itself), I would be really beating myself up for not taking this chance.

The clincher for me, was that we are expecting to have lots of visitors from all around the UK - all of whom could bring it with them even though there are no local cases on the islands. I'm not an epidemiologist - but I know that just because there are no local cases now - means nothing in terms of local conditions in November, by which time it would be too late to change my mind.

DH and my sister are both trained biologists - we've discussed it and I trust their reading of scientific papers in a topic area outside my expertise, better than my paranoia. (I am instinctively quite anti jag).

Iheartpasties Mon 08-Oct-12 11:13:14

I've been having a peak at due in oct thread, quite exciting for those ladies!

StuntNun Mon 08-Oct-12 11:13:20

MM it's not that babies under 8 weeks can't cope with the antibodies, it's that 8 weeks is the optimum time between the natural decline in the antibodies the baby has received from the mother and the development of the immune system to provide the most effective response to the vaccine. It would be perfectly possible to vaccinate on the day of birth, indeed worldwide the BCG is usually given at birth. But I think even the most pro-vaccine crowd would resist vaccinating their babies at birth and the risks of side effects would be greatly increased plus the vaccine is untested in newborns. The vaccine you will receive is given into the muscle as far as I know so there will not be circulating inactived virus in your bloodstream. All the baby will receive is the IgG antibodies that you produce in reaction to the vaccine.

ValiumQueen Mon 08-Oct-12 11:17:26

MM (this is not abuse btw) I disagree with the comment about baby under 8 weeks being able to cope with additional antibodies, as they receive these from mummy. They could not cope with the vaccine and would not be able to cope with making their own antibodies, which is very different. I have read it the DOH documents that the mothers immunisation as a child is not likely to offer any protection to her baby, or indeed her, as it wears off in aprox 5 years. Interesting about the deaths being only amongst those mothers who had not been vaccinated. It is also not a new think in pregnancy. They have been vaccinating in America and other countries for many years, although with a different jag as the only one we can access at the moment is the one with 4 jabs in. Unfortunately there is no guarantee this will protect your baby, but it will protect you, and I would rather regret trying, than choosing to go against current medical advice.

MissMummy1 Mon 08-Oct-12 11:34:33

The bit about babies under 8 weeks not being able to cope with excess antibodies is what we were told by my midwife and gp. I am definitely leaning towards having it as I know I could never forgive myself if I didn't and my baby was ill with wc. The inner control freak cynic in me just wants to know all the facts first so I can make a balanced decision. If I was later on in pregnancy (36+ weeks) where it was imperitive I had it right now for it to have any benefit then I probably would. The fact I have a week or two to dither is just giving me time to do enough background research so I am 100% happy with my decision.

On an off topic note I'm taking a day off from obsessive cleaning nesting and going to attempt to make marshmallow fudge. Whilst avoiding eBay at all costs!

YellowWellies Mon 08-Oct-12 11:34:51

Aye I think from reading that 'babies under 8 weeks can't cope with the antibodies' isn't an accurate synopsis of the science / reasoning. I've tried to read a few peer reviewed papers on the topic, but without a biological / immunological training - I know that I'm not going to grasp the nuances of everything in them as scientific discourse can be so fecking obtuse. Hence relying on my friendly family biologists!!! Both of whom have a vested interest in my bellydweller's health smile

IHeart I agree it does sound rude. I have been known to use it in a rude context before wink
MM1 You’ve made me feel better (sorry). Hopefully we wont be waiting a lot longer than everyone else. My GP surgery are also useless and so I’ll have to wait a bit longer for the WC jab.

Our builder friend has been and checked out our bedroom window (it’s been leaking when the rain hits the front of the house, resulting in mouldy window frames). The brickwork above needs some pointing so that should be done this week so that’s something I can tick off the ‘before the baby comes’ list. After that’s done we’re going to clean, strip, treat and repaint the window frames and our bedroom should look prettu and non-mouldy smile

Now here’s where I need you to step in and approve my decision grin Today I was planning on doing a deep clean of the bedroom, we have built in wardrobes and drawers that collect a lot of dust. However, if we’re going to be stripping the windows and making more mess next week, there’s no point in me doing a deep clean this week is there? grin Please tell me I’m being logical and sensible instead of lazy!

Planning on having a quick clean of the attic room for our friends staying over this weekend so I’m not going to sit on my arse all day (apart from now where I’m sat with a brew and some fruit and nut)

MissMummy1 Mon 08-Oct-12 11:38:03

<Wishing I'd stuck out my biomedical science with immunology degree instead of switching to teaching>

ShellyBobbs Mon 08-Oct-12 11:39:29

Candy What VQ said, she always says what I mean but in a much more intelligent way grin I'm pretty disgusted at this stupid ignorant teacher though angry I would have asked her exactly what her medical qualifications were to voice such an opinion. It's a very dangerous and VERY stupid thing to do and I would have reported her!

Your baby is fully developed and if you choose to immunise then your baby will have this at 8 weeks anyway. It is YOU who is receiving the immunisation, not your unborn baby and therefore it's YOU passing on YOUR antibodies, not the baby making its own. If you catch a cold, come into contact with any kind of illness etc. you will pass your antibodies on in exactly the same way. I'm going to have a read about the under 8 weekers immunity now because that is something I've never heard of before, don't they immunise at birth in other parts of the world?

Pregnant women are not usually included in clinical trials, saying 'it's not been tested on pregnant women' is an age old argument that lazy people with second hand opinions use. (I'm really angry now).

Have a good read and research for both sides ie. getting the whooping cough vaccine and possible side effects, stats etc. and what could happen to a newborn if it caught it.

And I'm defo not flame throwing, just a throwing in some things to ponder on.

Pass I've been waking up with sweaty knickers (OMFG!) and sweaty legs in the middle of the night. I never usually sweat smile Sounds like your boobs are off now, after I give birth I leak in bed that much it's funny. The first time I did it both me and hubby were absolutely covered from head to toe in milk, I thought it was really funny, hubby looked like someone had given him a lobotomy in the night, he really didn't know what was going on grin

VQ How to kill babies! I shouldn't, but I laughed my head off at that (and still am), what is going through their little brains? grin

I did a really loud fanny fart in bed last night after baba was playing 'screwdriver' with it's head in my pelvis. Hope it doesn't start that game, because 2 can play 'who's going to be more embarrassed', except I can bide my time by years and years of photos grin

horseylady Mon 08-Oct-12 11:40:15

Yw you've done the same as me lol!! Make sense as a physicist but they've been wanting to vaccinate for 18months.

See what you find mm but I don't think it's as much of a rushed job as people are making it out to be. I know I read something ages ago about it. It was just waiting for approval. However, if in doubt, think about it. It's only a decision you can make'n

ShellyBobbs Mon 08-Oct-12 11:40:25

Frig, I've crossed posted with about 20 posts now, it was only up to MM's when I started typing!

The babies that died were from mothers who had not been vaccinated? Well that puts it in a different light. I'll still get it if its offered.

ShellyBobbs Mon 08-Oct-12 11:41:49

Fatima sounds like a job for the feather duster in the loft, it can be done in minutes grin

ShellyBobbs Mon 08-Oct-12 11:44:34

I've also received a cheque from HM rev for £23. Should I offset it against the bill for £123 I got last week smile

ValiumQueen Mon 08-Oct-12 11:52:43

MM I am puzzled by the excess antibodies, and look forward to hearing what you find out. You are totally right about having the benefit of time to research. I am no scientist.

fatima no point deep cleaning, indeed a day of rest is more appropriate.

shelly grin

ValiumQueen Mon 08-Oct-12 11:53:45

We are half way through this thread already!

Lilliana Mon 08-Oct-12 11:56:12

I'll second Pass - wind does strange things to a class of children!

Waiting to be honest I did go to sleep in the afternoon so I had the energy to go out and we came home about midnight but was lovely to feel normal for a bit smile

I'm having flu and wc tomorrow - my nurse friend said I'd be mad not to! Think we will all wonder if we did the right thing whatever we choose but if LO caught it I would never forgive myself. Also as I work in a school I'm around hundreds of children and you never know which of them or their siblings might have it.

Apple I'm hoping for a couple of weeks at home too - on time would be nice but don't want to be hanging around too long!

Fatima you are being very sensible and not at all lazy - I would definately put off the cleaning for as long as possible grin

StuntNun Mon 08-Oct-12 12:10:06

Shelly I have a photo of DS1 in a Barbie car on a fairground ride which I'm saving for his wedding day!

MM what did the NCT lady mean about cannot cope with the antibodies? I don't understand that phrase.

LittleLolly Mon 08-Oct-12 12:15:00

nervous I am very excited for you having your new changing bag, and think missmummy should get one too! I have the one with blue butterflies and I love it. It's all packed with baby's things for hospital smile

I'm a Biologist! <preens>
I'm planning on doing a bit of reading about WC later so will look in to what the NCT lady could have meant.

Also agree that the line of it not being tested on pregnant women is a pretty pointless statement. Nothing tends to be tested on pregnant women so most medicines etc just say do not use. When I was struggling with hayfever I went to the doctors. She prescribed some nasal spray as that was deemed "safe". However, the majority of medicines prescribed in pregnancy are don't on a cost-benefit analysis.
She said if I wanted antihistamines then I could take piriton. The reason she picked that and not another first generation antihistamine is that piriton has been around a lot longer and so there's been a lot more pregnant people use it over the years. Not necessarily that it was safe and others weren't.
Same with gaviscon.
Sorry i'm just rambling there.

What i'm trying to say is that if something says "not for use when pregnant". It's not that it's necessarily harrful, but just that there isn't evidence to say it's ok because pregnant women can't be studied

CandyPop Mon 08-Oct-12 12:30:58

Another thing is, dh is more nervous about it cause my mil said he had a really bad reaction from the wc vaccine as a child. Fever etc from if. With bubba with the same gene, will she have a reaction whilst in tummy ?!

We're going to consult a specialist with our list of concerns. I'm still inclined to have it but we both need to agree ! Ahhhh why us?! Why now? Don't we have a lot to deal with already ??! Like my realisation after the nct class that we actually have to give birth to a real baby very soon???!!! grin

GTbaby Mon 08-Oct-12 12:36:41

Grrr. Check up at antenatal day suit informed us that bile acid tests had not been done. So annoying. Goin to see registra at 1.30. Mw thinks they will b precautions n induce as Likely they can not confirm OC till nxt week. As tests take a while n cud come bk negative for a few weeks even if I have it. So confusing.

But starting to panic now about getting everything ready ( she says while watching loose women) n I haven't bought my maternity bras yet. The one thing I can't just send DH off for. But DH is being over protective n im not aloud to drive or go out along. So makes it hard to go out n buy some. Been in a strop with him about this, but I know he is very adamant about this so no point in arguing.

I wouldn't have thought the bubba would react the same, as it will be you having it and your immune system starting the reaction process. The bubba will just receive the antibodies you produce in response to the vaccine. So it won't be the same as the baby receiving it directly.
Also, even if your husbands reaction to his vaccination was passed on genetically, it doesn't mean you baby will have inherited it. Genetics and inheritance is a very complicated and not fully understood subject so i wouldn't assume/worry that anything your DH had your DC will also have smile

I agree it would be worth you discussing your concerns though to help you feel better

Had my midwife appointment this morning, all was fine, she'll be coming to our house in 2 weeks to go through home birth stuff smile
I just need a go ahead from the consultant on Thursday.
I squeezed in the flu jab clinic after my appointment and the nurse giving me the jab said they would only be contacting pregnant ladies in our area in a few weeks time for the whooping cough vaccine angry I'm 34 weeks and I want it now, not in a few weeks! They want to get all the flu jabs out of the way first. It's ridiculous! Not very pleased with the surgery!
Just not going to get in a strop about it, as will see consultant on Thursday and I'm sure that the ante-natal clinic will have vaccines ready and available.

i'd be getting cross GT Did they say why the bile tests hadn't been done when they're the best thing to show OC?
I'd also be reluctant at them pushing for induction without having done the tests in the first place. I'm no expert on OC though, Detective seems to know about testing etc.

Do you have any shopping centres near by where you could go in the evening with DH for nursing bras? Or a credit card so you could order online in 15 different sizes grin

YellowWellies Mon 08-Oct-12 12:51:34

I would say a sample size of 10 baby's is pretty small (thankfully it's only a small sample size, as we don't want any more to die!).

Am guessing that with the links to poverty and high population density associated with WC it might be that poor migrant communities in London are heavily represented in terms of deaths and that many such Mums might well come from areas where there is no vaccination programme sad that doesn't mean that it can't affect the babies of Mums who have been jagged though. The sample size is just not statistically significant enough for us to make that call, it could be pure coincidence favoured by environmental factors. I could be smug about living somewhere with low population density, but m'eh I use public transport - so even here can't assume 'we're out of reach' as it were.

I've also read however that even the mother having had WC (the illness itself) is no guarantee of immunity - so if that doesn't protect you - I'll not be trusting a jab I had over 30 years ago to do the job. I know that my travel jags like yellow fever etc have to be redone every 3-5 years.

In some ways I'm quite glad I didn't have time to do my own research and go through the awful do I / don't I indecision. We had limited time and sensible family scientists were thankfully able to advise me in a much shorter time, and a much less dangerous (for my blood pressure) way than me asking Mr Google...

YellowWellies Mon 08-Oct-12 12:55:58

Candy I'd be more worried about my newborn having a fever once they're out than when they are safely in utero protected to some degree by the placenta. Especially as they will already be battling with the other germs of the big bad world and struggle to regulate their own temperature anyway.

CandyPop Mon 08-Oct-12 13:09:14

It's the nct teacher that planted the seed . I was ready to go and have it this morning before that!

Ok not gonna take up this thread with more wc stuff . I should have gone to the wc thread blush sorry !!

On a lighter note... Isn't the female body amazing ?! How we can just grow a baby and the body is well designed to give birth. The lady described our birthing canal like a helter skelter. Turning the baby once the baby head comes out so that the shoulders can come out at the right angle! Amazing !! I also like the idea how our uterus is like a self cleaning oven. Once baby is out, it pushes all the stuff we don't need out and then shrinks back to normal. Wish my oven at home is a self cleaning one !!

Not trying to start another debate .... But I've always assumed that being cut is better than tearing. But the nct lady was saying if its a little tear, tear is better than cut?! Don't know if I trust her anymore! Any views on this??!!