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Due dec 2012 - the long slow bit

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Hi thought if do this and try and link before we ran out!!!

Sorry for the quick new thread but I suddenly realised we were on 999 posts and I wanted to get the new one linked so er weren't all wandering round in cyberspace wondering where the sobbing sofa had got to!

Mummycox Fri 28-Sep-12 21:48:34

You're so good, thanks for the new post. grin

FriendofDorothy Fri 28-Sep-12 21:52:53

Ooo another thread. Things move fast around here!

ellliebelle Fri 28-Sep-12 22:00:44

Marking my place smile

Secondsop Fri 28-Sep-12 22:03:38

I can't work out if the pregnancy is going slowly or quickly now. Those of you who aren't first-timers, how do weeks 30 onwards go? Do they fly, or drag?

Second I find day to day that it feels like its dragging but suddenly I'll think 'god I'm nearly 29 weeks already'

I have always found the third trimester drags though, but it could just be me! smile

Flumpy2012 Fri 28-Sep-12 22:07:28

Secondsop - I wonder the exact same. It feels very slow to me but then I think in 10 weeks she'll probably be here! x

MaMaPo Fri 28-Sep-12 22:20:22

Am I the only one whose whole pregnancy has ... kind of dragged? I have been mostly symptom-free, so maybe I just haven't been 'occupied' enough!

Now that I actually look and feel pregnant, I think time is going quicker. It probably also has something to do with the fact that I haven't done anything baby-related yet (shopping, etc), so in the next 11 weeks I need to do all of that (including the research for things like cots, carseats, prams, slings, passports etc), plus have antenatal classes, plus finish up at work (so much handover to do), plus start the whole 'nesting' thing, plus.... I had better get moving!

I have a question - how amenable do you think one of the big London hotels would be to me turning up to a Christmas Eve dinner with a potentially 10-day-old newborn? The inlaws and some other family are coming for Christmas and they'd love to have a nice meal out, so we're going to book somewhere fancy... not sure whether just to ascertain that they have baby change facilities, or to ask specifically about Christmas. I'm not too fussed - hopefully baby is either going to manage it ok (sleep through some of it, be consoled with feeding etc) or not at all (in which case I won't go, or leave early if need be). Also have to consider that if I'm overdue I could still be pregnant/in labour/in hospital come Christmas!

Clarella Fri 28-Sep-12 22:36:32

Marking place..... ellie in answer to your question in last thread yes, but find it works equally as well the opposite way too ie when they do something lovely everything is suddenly lovely (or is that just me? Think the balance is more towards the crossness over all...)

ISpyPlumPie Fri 28-Sep-12 22:43:08

Just marking place.

Attempt #2 at 3D scan tomorrow - hopefully LO will let us see his/her face, and even more importantly will now be head down! Excited and nervous at the same time.

It's also our 5th wedding anniversary tomorrow. Think the scan should be a nice way to spend the afternoon. Can't decide what to do afterwards though - DM has offered to babysit so just DH and I could go for a meal, or we could go somewhere a bit earlier on with DS.

HoneyMum21 Fri 28-Sep-12 22:51:02

Thanks for your reassurance re:poo explosions stacey - after being told they happen I wasn't quite sure what level of explosiveness to expect!

Secondsop Fri 28-Sep-12 22:52:39

mamapo I've found that it's both dragged and gone slowly, somehow simultaneously. Eg I feel like I've been pregnant for about a year, and March was indeed a fair few months ago, but as flumpy says, in 10 weeks (or no more than 12) it'll he over. But then the first 12 weeks seemed to last a lifetime! Perhaps it is that it seems to be going quicker from when I began to really look pregnant.

Or maybe it's that thing like getting older, where years seem shorter as each one is a smaller proportion of your life to date. Each week of pregnancy, as it passes, is a smaller and smaller proportion of your whole pregnancy to date so perhaps that's why the weeks can seem to go quicker at this point.

HoneyMum21 Fri 28-Sep-12 22:53:22

Also good luck with the rescan ispy hope your LO behaves! Our rescan is in 2 weeks!

Stacks Fri 28-Sep-12 23:02:29

Quick post to mark my place.

ISpyPlumPie Fri 28-Sep-12 23:06:16

Hope you have more luck next time too Honey!

monsterchild Fri 28-Sep-12 23:24:08

I start getting more scans in December, I think. Due to Advanced Maternal Age.
I think I am actually not keen on so many scans! I know it's best for baby, but it just seems like a lot!

I agree that the first weeks (like 20!) until I felt something or really looked pregnant took forever! Now he's beating me up all day and night, and I'm dreading this getting worse (though I have been assured it will get worse!) Of course, he's a lively thing which can only be good, right?

Had a nice visit with the Doc, and got my flu shot/DaPT as well. Discussed birth plan, and I am planning on a long horrible labor, but secretly plan on delivering in 10 minutes....

pmgkt Fri 28-Sep-12 23:31:33

For those of you with mouldy washing machine doors, it is caused by washing at lower temp, we all used to always wash at 40 plus degrees, and using liquid. I used powder the other day and it improved in one wash.

utopian99 Fri 28-Sep-12 23:37:45

I keep thinking I've got ages still to go (2.5 months).then no time at all (11 weeks.) Also still wobbling between looking forward to meeting him and terrified at how much it'll hurt!

emilyeggs Sat 29-Sep-12 00:41:59

Saving my spot smile

Barbeasty Sat 29-Sep-12 05:46:29

It's the time after the due date that drags! Especially with everyone asking if you'be given birth yet. Because you wouldn't bother telling your parents you'd had tha baby would you?!

NCT class was good, but I haven't slept well and have a whole day to get through. I might have to break the caffeine rules! No role play yet, but DH feels vindicated as I have to.take a pillow today for kneeling on the floor.

Bellaboo123 Sat 29-Sep-12 06:48:25

Just checking in!

I found it went quick in the last trimester last time. But I have lots of scans and appointments so I think that makes a difference. Hopefully going to buy the car today I love it so hope it's ok! Eek at spending thousands of pounds on a bit of tin confused

knottyhair Sat 29-Sep-12 07:10:27

Ispy, good luck with the rescan today. Spotty, enjoy your shiny new car!
Got some nice new maternity jeans delivered from Jojomamanbebe (why does that name still make me laugh when I say it?) - the ones I bought when I first got a bump are now very uncomfortable (they were under the bump, new ones are over the bump, much more comfy!). Slightly disconcerted this week when 2 other mums to be I know gave birth early, one 7 weeks early (eek!) and the other 2 weeks early. So it does happen then grin.

So dd is measuring on 95th percentile, amniotic fluid just under 95th percentile and bump on the 50th percentile, how is that possible??

Hello new thread!!

I went out for dinner with dh last night and then to the cinema which isn't so comfortable anymore!! Before the film were horror trailers too so I had to stick my fingers in my ears and go lalalalala otherwise I would have nightmares for weeks. I had dreams about giving birth instead and although last time it was great I'm so scared its going to be worse and i'm not ready for it at all.

Sainsburys has 25% off baby clothes and lots of cheap toiletries and nappies at the moment, I stocked up on some nice wipes, nappies, infacol, baby bath, bath stuff for me after labour. Excellent!

emilyeggs Sat 29-Sep-12 08:21:57

Good luck with scans and cars today grin. My "DH" was telling me last night that I looked full term!!!, he thinks I look really big sad I said my bump is normal, it's me who's just small

Oh spotty good luck with the car!

Well I'm lazing in bed as tadpole decide last night that somersaults were on the agenda and there really just isn't enough space for that! So I was awake quite a lot.

Feeling really sad today as have only been able to email DH since he went away last week, still another 2 nights before I get to hear his voice again sad

And I'm having to go through my wardrobe again today to put away clothes that just don't fit sad I def feel like I've swallowed a baby elephant!

olliebob Sat 29-Sep-12 09:29:15

Hi just marking my space

Bubbless Sat 29-Sep-12 09:52:45

hiya all, just checking in!
sorry ive been so absent, but i am kinda lurking in the background now and then!
now im back at work full time i start at 7am and finish at 4pm, then die for a while, then pick DP up from work, then do dinner, then bath, then bed.. no time for conversing with you lovley ladies!

hope everything is going okay for you all!!

HoneyMum21 Sat 29-Sep-12 09:58:41

Went for flu jab but couldn't have it as am on a new course of antibiotics for this stupid chest infection. Will have to have it next week instead.

PurplePidjin Sat 29-Sep-12 10:30:16

Morning all brew

kate2boysandabump Sat 29-Sep-12 10:38:05

In my experience, and this is only my experience, pregnancy lasts a really long time. It all seems to take forever to me, especially near the end and worse when you pass your due date. Maybe I'm just naturally impatient grin I can't wait to meet my baby... However, we're not ready for him just yet, still no wardrobe for the nursery, so boxes everywhere.

Good luck with scans and cars and anniversaries, what a busy day some of you are having.

DH and the boys are going camping, so I get the bed to myself tonight. I'm doing nothing today, I'm just going to sit in the house and knit and watch TV because I only have 11 weeks give or take a week or so either side to finish a large double sided blanket, well actually I need to start it first blush

Stacey That's rotten that your missing your DH, but not long to go now.

Bubbless How are you getting on at work? Are they being more considerate to your needs and is your pelvis holding up ok?

I'm just reposting my message about the whooping cough vaccine here, as it was on the old thread.
I have news regarding the whooping cough vaccination. DH is a pharmacist (not altogether popular on here with those with thrush!!) he's had his e-mail from his PCT. Basically it says that all pregnant women between 28 and 32 weeks pregnant from now on will be offered the jab routinely at ante-natal appointments. Those who are past 32 weeks NOW will be offered it as well and those that are passed 38 weeks will be offered it at the onset of labour. The vaccine being offered is the 4 in 1 that babies get as part of their routine immunisations.

Mummycox Sat 29-Sep-12 10:43:40

Thanks Kate... Info on vaccines really helped smile

I just bought a car! grin

Secondsop Sat 29-Sep-12 11:45:57

Ooh, exciting Spotty!

How long did any of you have to wait to hear the results of your glucose tolerance tests? The phlebotomy nurse told me it would be about a week, but I've heard of others hearing within 24 hours or so.

utopian99 Sat 29-Sep-12 11:47:28

Hurrah spotty!

PurplePidjin Sat 29-Sep-12 11:48:28

Hooray! I've just put a deposit on new carpets and lino grin

Checking in! Failing to keep up with lots on- roll on Mat leave! Hope you're ok bubbles, work has been tiring me out too. Hope you are finding some time to rest?

Great news on the car spotty and good luck for scan ispy I've booked one for 31 weeks (birthday weekend- decided that I deserve it!) hope it's not on the late side??

Need to catch up properly but on phone at the park with DD (Yey for sunshine!) hope I haven't missed too much chat smile

MyDaydream Sat 29-Sep-12 12:15:43

It seems to feel like its dragging day by day, but I do check the calendar and wonder where all the time has gone and panic it's really quite close. The closer it gets the less prepared I feel, want to go back a couple of months to when I felt a lot more confident!
stacey I'm still sorting clothes from the move and far more are going in the don't fit pile than anything else.
bubbless you sound so busy, hope you get plenty of relaxation time on the weekends.
We're finishing our move off today, then I'm going to stay with my mum because me and DP can do stony silence or arguments and its wearing me down. I'm hoping leaving for a few days/week will give everything time to blow over and we can start fixing things.

I'm aware I'm being judgey and its none of my business but I know someone who gave birth by EMCS less than two weeks ago and they've gone canopying today (in a caravan). Does that not seem crazy to you?? I'm probably jealous because I couldn't function for the first six weeks but it seems a bit odd to be doing it when you could be at home bonding properly with your baby. Baby has gone too btw. Would never post this in aibu either wink

Cor blimey no way could I do that, I tried to keep active after dd and went out for lunch and did shopping but had to go to bed after 2 weeks with severe exhaustion. I didn't even have a cs! I hope that doesn't happen to her. This time it's pj's and sofa/bed for at least 4 weeks.

FriendofDorothy Sat 29-Sep-12 13:41:59

My GTT was done by 11am and I had the result by 4pm the same day.

kate2boysandabump Sat 29-Sep-12 13:45:00

Spotty It wouldn't be for me either, it was enough having to drive 100 miles for BIL's wedding when ds1 was 5 days old and then back in the same day as we didn't want to be away from home. I'd rather have been at home in bed and I hadn't had a section.

I am worried she might regret losing those first few weeks, which are so precious, I know I wish I'd just stayed at home just the three of us doing nothing but having cuddles!

info on the vaccine I have NO medical knowledge but this is from the manufacturers of the jab they currently use. Not sure if it's the same one they will be using on pregnant ladies?

kate2boysandabump Sat 29-Sep-12 14:00:29

I wish I'd stayed at home more when ds1 was first born. DH and I went to Mothercare on the way home from the hospital shock When ds2 was born, on day 14 the 4 of us spent the day in bed. We even received our visitors there too grin

Dd was born in a heatwave so I felt the need to be out hmm my stitches came undone and the mw just told me to keep my legs closed an told me off for doing too much walking! Glad it'll be winter this time and we will all be happier snuggled up indoors!

mwahmwah Sat 29-Sep-12 15:24:07

I find the last trinester the best mainly cause the morning sickness is gone and with the last two I haven't bn humungous so still able to enjoy stuff. Ohhh and its also the trimester where mat leave starts... Yaaaa hooooo!!!

this one sounds better

I have just had my eyebrows done, bought a new jumper dress from jojo and having a pedi right now. Looking forward to a meal out with some friends tonight. Today is ace smile one of my friends seems to be thinking I might go clubbing.....ahahahahahahaha hahaha haha is all I can say to that.

Mummycox Sat 29-Sep-12 17:05:20

Todays to do list:
Buy nursery furniture, arriving Friday afternoon. Tick
Made tesco shopping list for Christmas food. Tick
Start Christmas present list. Tick
Buy Christmas cards. Tick
Organise DHs birthday and get presents. Tick.
Start packing hospital bag. Tick.

Spent a lovely day out at the park with a friend and our dcs. Teas lovely to have some sunshine and a natter, not sure what I've got myself into though as my kids are now at an age I don't have to worry about them in parks and I'm now having another one I'll have to run around after! Lol, what must I have been thinking!

Only bit to spoil the day was that my mate lives in the adjoining block of flats to an old friend of mine (we are not friends anymore, totally my fault and I accept she hates me, but it was all 3-4 years ago) and because I was helping get the kids into the flat and she (ex friend) noticed she came out and started hurling abuse. It got the adrenaline going I'll tell you. Thankfully I'd told my kids we were just dropping off so I just got back in my car and drove away. Was still shaking half way home! I know it's my fault and probably what I deserve but I'm still left thinking 'for gods sake woman grow up and get over it' she's 34 and just behaves like a pissed off teenager. Anyway I'll stop moaning about it now!

Yay for new flooring pidj. Is it lovely ?

mwahmwah Sat 29-Sep-12 17:42:12

Oh Stacey she sounds lovely! Some people should just grow up! X

ISpyPlumPie Sat 29-Sep-12 18:10:13

Scan was lovely - baby much more co-operative this time so we got a good look at the face. He/she is the spitting image of DS! Also head down now, which I'm very relieved about (although I know there's still time for further back-flips!) She estimated that LO weighs 4lb already though -eek!

Glad you sorted the car Spotty

PurplePidjin Sat 29-Sep-12 18:11:39

My mum expects me to be up and running around Easter, although i hope to have at least made it to knit+natter by then! I'll be camping a couple of weeks later at a car show - will take PidjChick to meet friends from all over, so quite important to us - but we're hoping to hire a big van, and will be surrounded by willing help, at least for tea, biscuits and cuddles grin

Terracotta tile effect lino in the kitchen and hall, beige-y brown carpet up the stairs, landing and in PidjChick's room. Deposit paid, order in and fitters provisionally booked for w/b 15/10. Hurrah for MIL and her dosh, dunno where we'd have found £1500 otherwise thanks

See by Easter I can understand pidj! You will both kind of know what you're doing by then with regard to feeding, sleeping etc.

ISpy glad you got some good pics, 4lb?! In the last month or so don't they put on half a pound a week?

Finally on laptop so looked at emily's bump pic. I'm a whale in comparison! Lovely shaped bump unlike my 'fluffy' tummy as dd calls it

HoneyMum21 Sat 29-Sep-12 18:34:50

Half a pound a week spotty? - please tell me that's not true! Our LO was estimated at 3lb 4 yesterday. He's gonna be massive... confused

HoneyMum21 Sat 29-Sep-12 18:36:36

And stacey hope you're ok- some people just don't grow up. Ever. Try not to let the evil girl get to you smile

Yeah from week 34 I think 1/2 a pound a week grin

PurplePidjin Sat 29-Sep-12 18:36:51

My birthday is mid-November, and I have a "twin" 1.5 hours older than me; according to mum and "twin's" mum that's how long it takes to really get the hang of things with a winter PFB smile

utopian99 Sat 29-Sep-12 18:57:04

Good tip off on sainsburys strawberry; have stocked up on nappies, wipes, newborn bath stuff, lansinoh, infacol, 3 sleepsuits and loads of plain black pants for after the birth... We're hoping to use reusable nappies on the whole but thought for the first week it might be good to have some disposables for when the panic and confusion set in!

utopian99 Sat 29-Sep-12 18:59:50

And stacey hope you're okay - some people just can't learn to pull themselves together and let go of a grudge.

PurplePidjin Sat 29-Sep-12 19:03:14

Utopian, i got metanium for £2 in Tesco today, and disposable liners a couple of weeks ago smile

NaomiRuth Sat 29-Sep-12 19:14:19

Just back from Sainsburys. Also got a pack of black pants a size up from normal for after the birth. Thanks for the tip. There was a really cute cardigan with a little hood with ears, but I resisted as I already have enough clothes borrowed from my friend. Being good!

I had Sharps in today for a fitted bedroom quote for our room... very nice but expensive! I really want it to make the best use of the space but not sure can justify the cost. Why is everything so expensive...

Whoever put that tick list, wow I was impressed you have done so much in one day. And a Christmas Tesco list, that's amazing!!

Argh my ankles are swollen and its not hot and I haven't been busy. Paranoid about pre-eclampsia sad

spotty give labour ward a ring. In your shoes I think you need to get checked. They may tell you to wait until mon but they are much better equipped to advise you than us!

No need to panic though, they will know what's best for you!

Un mumsnetty hugs!

Well my bp has been good and I've had no other symptoms. Got consultant on Wednesday anyway, it's a bit early for it yet isn't is? Not 28 weeks yet...

I don't know if it's too early but I think it's worth a quick phone call, they may tell you not to be ridiculous but in always a bit 'better safe than sorry' sorry I don't think I'm helping am I?

Evening all, hope we're all well.

I've been off for a few days so just found the new thread.

I've also been stocking up on bits from the supermarket, Johnson's nappy cream, infacol, nipple cream and pads.

Was wondering when do you think I should wash all my baby clothes ready for LO? I'm 31 weeks now so no rush I guess.

EggsMichelle Sat 29-Sep-12 21:15:42

I braved my fear and had my flu jab this morning, first time I had it. So far so good, no achy arm and spent the rest of the day painting (done bathroom, nursery and study). Sadly can't get into bed as its covered in the content of the nursery!

Called my GP yesterday about the whooping cough, and was told they didn't know anything about it so will have to wait until they have found out more, pissing NHS organisation for for you!

Saw my private MW (my mother) yesterday, had a listen to Shrimpy's heartbeat and she confirmed we are head down, let's hope he stays like that!

emilyeggs Sat 29-Sep-12 21:44:28

Thanks spotty just need to tell my DH that! Hope your ankles are ok

FriendofDorothy Sat 29-Sep-12 21:52:35

I get slightly irritated with all the NHS bashing. If it wasn't there life would be so much harder!

CODwidow Sat 29-Sep-12 22:18:38

Just checking in, been so busy with everything I've been reading then running! I think we now have all baby stuff organised and started proper Xmas shopping so feeling quite organised.

stacey I had the same thought today whilst all ds's were off playing and I was sat having coffee. Feels like I'm going back to the not being able to relax stage but I'm sure it'll be fine !

ISpyPlumPie Sat 29-Sep-12 22:46:28

Well, with just over 9 weeks to go at 1/2lb a week I'm looking at another 9lber - unless this one is as late as DS, in which case it'll be nearer 10 lb <faints>.

HoneyMum21 Sat 29-Sep-12 23:07:35

They don't start gaining at that rate till about 34-35 weeks, do they? So between now (30 weeks) and then they gain 1/2 lb in total...maybe...please? But realistically what rate are they gaining at at the min?

PurplePidjin Sat 29-Sep-12 23:20:09

Coffee, same here and I'm getting the hospital bag ready. It could be as little as 6 weeks for us shock

My bag contains:
2 nighties
2 pairs of pj's
8 pairs of pants
5 pairs of socks
Snuggly cardi
Toiletries and towel
Trackie bottoms, tee shirt and cosy jumper to come home in
Maternity and breast pads
Porridge sachets

Still need:
Spare hair brush
Nursing bra
More snacks
More pants?

PidjChick's is a work in progress...

PurplePidjin Sat 29-Sep-12 23:20:54

Oh, and baby oil for back rubs grin

HoneyMum21 Sat 29-Sep-12 23:26:37

Does anyone know how long the sainsburys baby cheapness is on for?

utopian99 Sun 30-Sep-12 00:24:01

Up late and still awake, so have used your list plus babycentre and mumsnet to make my own. Am probably way over the top, but now have three bag lists to pack in the next few weeks, anyone want to add anything?

Hospital bag 1 (for labour)

Birth plan and notes
1 nightshirt or massive T shirt
Pair of socks
Hairband
Books/magazine
Ipod
Snacks/drinks for both of us – jaffa cakes, jelly sweets, mini juice cartons
Straws for bottled water and bottles with sports caps
Change of clothes for DH
Massage oil suitable for pg people
Eight hour cream/Lip balm
TENS machine
Hot water bottle for contractions
Mat notes and birth plan
Watch/contraction app for phone
Water spray/face cloth/fan
Pillow from home

Hospital bag 2 (after labour)

Nightshirts/Pjs (front opening for breastfeeding..)
Lots of pairs of black pants
Couple of ?!pairs of socks
Dressing gown/slippers
Toothbrush/paste/hairbrush/deodorant/face wipes
Towel
Trackie bottoms, top and jumper/cardi to come home in
Maternity sanitary pads x 2 packs
Plastic jug (for soothing tears etc post labour when peeing I’m told?!)
Nursing bra x 2 and breast pads
Camera (charged/charger)
Phone charger
More snacks – cereal bars/crisps
Box of chocolates or similar for currying favour with MW and doctors wink

Bag for Crumb

Newborn nappies/wipes/sacks – figure on 12/day
Muslin squares x 2
Vests and sleepsuits x 3
Pair of socks
Little hat
Baby blanket
Snowsuit?

Car seat (IN CAR)

Awake!! Just in case - the mw after having dd ran me a bath and asked me if I had anything to put in it, apparently lots women take lavender or special bath salts/bath oils for after. I wish I'd taken some with me so will be this time.

And arnica tablets?

Flumpy2012 Sun 30-Sep-12 05:44:06

Arnica tablets to help with bruising I think!

I've packed all of below and so much more. They are going to think I'm moving in when I arrive!!!

Wide awake too, heartburn angry

Went to NCT sale yesterday, even though I didn't need anything. It was great although once it got busy I got out, too many elbows!!!

Utopian your list looks great. I wouldn't worry about a change of clothes for dp though as they will probably advise him to go home for a shower once you've had the baby, just thinking of space for your things smile

pidj I think that'll be enough pants, you can always get more brought in.

Starting to get the occasional 'freak out' about giving birth.

Going to go shopping today for dd's winter wardrobe as she doesn't seem to have anything. Will then pop into Sainsburys for some bits. I expect today is the last day of 25% off

I also used moist toilet tissues, so much easier and feel cleaner. And I took anti bac wipes to sip the toilet seat before and after.

Bubbless Sun 30-Sep-12 07:44:26

hiya, kate+cookies yeah, works been a bit better! everyone else now realises what a DICK silly person the other preg lady is being so im getting a bit more of a chance to relax!
Still tiring as i have to be up so early, and dp isnt normally ready for bed until 10pm ish!
infact, he came home last night.. VERY excited that he had met someone off of my december mumsnet thread at work.. so.. shes just moved, shes due in late december, and she got a phone contract from a ginger guy in carphone warehouse in high wycombe yesterday.. ;)
i was very surprised!
either way, hello! enjoy your new phone! grin

hope everyones doing okay, what are we all doing with this whooping cough sitch? (sorry if ive missed the badwagon / havent read through properly!!)

PurplePidjin Sun 30-Sep-12 07:47:12

I might pack a small labour bag, then, and keep the holdall for after. Transport from Big Hospital to Local MLU is up to us anyway. Sounds like we need to take an entire camping kit confused

EggsMichelle Sun 30-Sep-12 08:03:44

Please don't get me wrong Friend, I appreciate the NHS, and am grateful we have access to such a service (I work for them after all) however it is sadly ran and regulated by people who have little knowledge of the implementation of care and this is where the organising side falls apart.

I think my feet have swollen from all the decorating yesterday, been awake with aches and pains, hopefully it's not the flu jab!

I just fell over dd's washing machine whilst carrying a load of washing across the kitchen. I cried lots. Dd gave me cuddles though. Could really do with some good luck if anyone has some spare?! Might just go and wallow on the sobbing sofa..... <woe is me> wink

emilyeggs Sun 30-Sep-12 08:23:50

Awww spotty hope your ok

Flumpy2012 Sun 30-Sep-12 08:57:45

Hugs to spotty x

Oh spotty, I have always maintained that housework is hazardous for your health!

FriendofDorothy Sun 30-Sep-12 09:39:35

I know EggsMichelle but having now moved to somewhere that doesn't have the NHS it winds me up hearing people complain about it because however bad it is life is infinitely better with it than without it!

Clarella Sun 30-Sep-12 10:07:44

Morning! Hope ur ok spotty

Enjoying hospital bag talk - I always give a gift of a little bottle of pure lavender for after the birth to my closest friends (boots do 2 sizes) since my friend who had a terrible tear said how really very much appreciated it was for bath for sore bits. I have treated my self cos I know no-one else will remember how much I love it! It's great for thrush too though not sure about in pregnancy (woman at alnwick poison garden reckoned lavender terrible for pregnant ladies, but then she enjoyed being dramatic and I thought lavender was one if the 'safe' oils) You could throw a box if sea salt in too.

Somewhere else I read that it can be nice for older but young child to get a gift from the new baby for anyone on #2.

Nct woman mentioned a plastic jug for cooling bits, plus water spray (which the boys - they all turn into yr10's in a biology class at nct - turned evolved into one of those pump action water pistols and thought of lots of uses for it during 'the event' but refused to disclose what these were)

My only extra thing is if u want any sort of tankini/ bikini top for a water birth I just like a bit of support! and I might take a radio in to distract me from pain cos I like r4 and find it distracting smile (if they let me)

Oh vaseline seems useful some how too.

Vaseline for when lips get dry sucking on the gas and air?

That sounds like a lovely present and idea, definitely taking lavender oil and salts. These lists are very useful, I'm going to take note of them all and pack the bag by Friday!

Hope you're ok spotty I think that's three things now so you should be ok now!

issimma Sun 30-Sep-12 11:05:40

Excellent, hospital bag lists! Will read properly and then add any pearls of wisdom hmm. With DD, it stayed in the car until she was several hours old, so am much more blase this time!
Anyone else having an ELCS? Means the TENS can stay at home at least wink.

We've got the kids 'best big brother/sister' teddies from the baby, but I think we're going to give them at Xmas. The kids are old enough to know a newborn doesn't bring presents with them when they're born! Lol

Am sorting through my wardrobe, it's very sad at least there's more room in the wardrobe now. Also taking the opportunity to get rid of stuff I've been keeping, but really shouldn't wear now I'm getting older. Lol, it's taken a lot to realise I'm not a teenage parent anymore. Stilettos with mini skirts are prob not the best outfit of choice. Lol I'm much more a stilettos and pencil skirt kind of lady now wink

Must buy another storage box for the loft to store my much loved clothes.

I'm nearly finished with the hospital bag I think, I keep putting it off though.

HoneyMum21 Sun 30-Sep-12 11:35:20

Oh Spotty - hope you're ok.

Does anyone have any idea how long i'm likely to have to stay in hospital after an ELCS? (providing all goes well and to plan and baby is doing well)

Flumpy2012 Sun 30-Sep-12 12:16:13

If anyone is offered steroid injections to help babies lungs incase of pre term labour I warn you now they bloody hurt!!!

I'm no chicken for needles, I've had hundreds of canulas put in over the years and have b12 injections monthly for 5 years now. She asked me to hold onto something and said it stings a little - I nearly went through the ceiling!!! I woke this morning and have no feeling in my left leg which they say should wear off and worst still it was only half the dose so I have to go back tonight for the next one!! xx

HoneyMum21 Sun 30-Sep-12 12:21:22

Oh dear flumpy - that sounds painful. Thanks for the heads up though. Hope you're ok

Flumpy2012 Sun 30-Sep-12 12:26:58

Thanks. We're fine just had some bleeding but it's from the cervix rather than inside so they're ok about it. They just decided it would be a good time to do these sad

Oh blinking heck I hate needles too and finding out whether I'll be having the steroid injections tomorrow when I see the consultant. Please say I don't mr baby man, please.

mwahmwah Sun 30-Sep-12 12:32:10

2 hours till scan...

I did that last week Stacey made some good baby money on eBay with it smile bought my caboo with the proceeds, I've put it on quite a few times but look a bit silly without a baby in it.

pmgkt Sun 30-Sep-12 13:06:18

Honey I had ds1 by cs on Wednesday morning and came home Friday morning. I got up after 24hrs as soon as cathiter (sp) was taken out but the lady opposite who had it at the same time ad me was still in bed when I left. I think a lot depends on your own attitude to wether you want to get on or lap up the sympathy.

Secondsop Sun 30-Sep-12 14:32:23

honey a friend was utterly desperate to go home after her csection but it took 4 days until she was well enough to do so. There was no question of her wanting to lap up sympathy! So it's not just about attitude; I think there is a large element of luck of the draw as to how it goes for you.

HoneyMum21 Sun 30-Sep-12 14:47:06

Thanks both! I've heard stories about some hospitals getting you out 12 hours after a cs if all goes smoothly but I guess I'll just have to see how it all goes!

Have just hit sainsburys, panicked at the offers finishing today and essentially bought some of everything! Joined the big black sainsburys pants club and got some very cheap, dark pjs for me, sleep suits and vests for bump and a little cardigan. Sainsburys sleepsuit sizing seems quite small- their newborn is only up to 7lb so got mainly up to 1 month. Got some size 1 and some size 2 nappies. Did someone say that even of baby is on the big size the chances are he'll be in size 1 for a bit? Got some wipes, lansinoh for me, sudocrem and may have a kitchen sink in there somewhere too... Phew. Feel a bit more prepared now!

Secondsop Sun 30-Sep-12 15:08:08

Oh gosh, I have still bought nothing. My husband gets back from his work trip in a week - we can then focus our minds on the shopping.

pmgkt Sun 30-Sep-12 15:26:56

Second I have reread my post and it was a bit harsh, i didn't mean it to sound like it. I know some people have issues which are beyond their control and it isn't a competition to get out quickly either. My comment really related to ny experience of the other lady on my ward who clearly wasn't helping herself as she refused for them to help her get moving and they were having to tell her she was making matters worse by staying in bed for so long when there was no need for it. And she refused to listen and turned away from them. Extreme maybe. Sorry if I sounded off.

Secondsop Sun 30-Sep-12 15:35:35

Pmgkt, no harm done - I know you were talking about your specific experiences. And it does sound like the other lady on your ward didn't help herself or take the advice about mobilising.

I also wonder whether she wasnt ready in her head for a csection and was struggling to get over the idea of having to have one. I can imagine that would make one not want to face the world for a bit.

minipie Sun 30-Sep-12 16:23:47

Just marking my place on the new thread!

Flumpy2012 Sun 30-Sep-12 16:45:09

A friend is having a really tough time after having her DD and wanting her ex back who left in her pregnancy.

I'm so scared this is going to be me when my DD arrives! I know I will be full of emotion and I feel we are getting closer at the moment and I worry this will lead me to all sorts of heartache at not leaving hospital as a family all together etc :-( xx

PurplePidjin Sun 30-Sep-12 16:51:43

Flumpy, you will be a family - he doesn't deserve to be part of it, he's already shown he's not good enough.

Flumpy2012 Sun 30-Sep-12 17:34:39

But he'll always be part of it because he'll be coming to see her/ collect her and I think I'll always wish it wasn't like that.

I don't know how we got where we were but where we are now makes me think perhaps we could be a family one day.

%23sadanddesperate!

Flumpy I would leave it a good year of getting used to being parents before you start thinking of anything else. Having a baby plays havoc with your emotions and you need to get yourself and dd happy being yourselves before you think about other things/people smile if you know you're happy with yourself then you'll know you don't just want to be with him because you're chasing some ideal if that makes sense? Obviously I don't know you that's just my two pence worth grin

PurplePidjin Sun 30-Sep-12 18:00:04

Imo, a family is a group of people working together to benefit each other. the most usual is mum+dad+kid(s)+aunts/uncles/grandparents/good friends. But any of those can be booted out if they prove themselves unworthy!

If he thinks he's so great, he can go off and have his own little family with dc+whoever will put up with his twattishness. You need do no more than allow access for 1-2 hours a couple of times a week. Get a friend or relative to hand over baby at the door if you can't handle seeing him.

I think pidj is right. My XH is not my family, he doesn't parent the dcs enough to warrant being in my family. They do count him in their family though. Along with me, their step dad (DH), their dad fiancée and my parents.

And I agree that you need to be happy just you and your dd before even thinking of a relationship.

Being a single parent isn't all that bad. If I survived it anyone can smile

Flumpy2012 Sun 30-Sep-12 18:33:23

I think perhaps because he only left 3 months ago and we lived together with his DS fulltime an a dog as a family for 3 years and now I'm having his baby I feel like we will always be family.

I'm pretty content as I am, obviously I wish things had worked out differently but I accept that they haven't and I will always make the best of what I've been dealt. I just wonder how things will pan out being parents together. I guess it's just wait and see!

Eugh next steroid injection tonight at 9!!!! sad

mwahmwah Sun 30-Sep-12 20:55:07

Changing the subject altogether... I had my 4d scan today with dh, dd, ds, and grandparents a plenty! It was such a lovely experience - thoroughly recommended smile sadly I was coerced by said grandparents into finding out the sex, was team yellow, never knew with my two children either! However I am uber-excited to find we are team pink grin I cannot wait to get started clearing out the boy clothes and getting the girl stuff sorted out. Slightly superstitious about finding out the sex tho, I always said don't care as long as its healthy and now I feel a bit of a fraud!

emilyeggs Sun 30-Sep-12 21:05:26

Any pics mwah? Congrats on the little girl! grin

mwahmwah Sun 30-Sep-12 21:18:46

I hav no idea how to upload? Can I do it from my blackberry stored photos?

HoneyMum21 Sun 30-Sep-12 21:23:20

Congrats on the girl mwah

Clarella Sun 30-Sep-12 21:28:51

Aw congrats Mwah!

I too joined the sainsburies big black pant club earlier in the week (the shorts), except I'm already wearing mine cos they're so comfy and my arse is huge wishing id got more!

I agree with pidg flumpy. Allow your self time to adjust though, time is a great healer - but takes it's time.

Didn't get chance to scoop anything else from sainsburies sadly, but kind of glad as DH and I went to woods/gardens out in northumberland and walked in the drizzle. we've not had the chance to go anywhere for weeks due to building stuff etc. Apparently my grin looked slightly 'inane'.

HoneyMum21 Sun 30-Sep-12 21:36:45

They're the pants i went for too. Went a couple of sizes up so hopefully will be ok!

Hi everyone,

Just had to share - I've spent the last few hours in the bath just staring at my bump. My little bean just comes alive when I'm in the water, he kicks and thrashes about like hes having a party or something!

I'm hoping it means he likes being in the bath as I'd really like a water birth.

Anyone else have certain times when the LO springs into action?

C&C

HoneyMum21 Sun 30-Sep-12 21:50:48

11pm every night is when LO starts getting active. Very much hoping that isn't how he intends to play it when he comes out!

ISpyPlumPie Sun 30-Sep-12 21:59:40

Congrats mwah.

That sounds lovely coffee. Have had a rather active LO this afternoon, but generally he/she is more of a night owl.

Had quite a productive afternoon sorting the baby clothes we'd stored from DS. Definitely don't need any more newborn especially as I don't seem make small babies! Agree with whoever said there's a big discrepancy in sizes - some of the stretchsuits only go up to 7.5 lb, and I remember the ones we took to hospital for DS were rather snug (DH had to bring in some 0-3 months for going home!)

LO could also wear a different snowsuit every day of the week - we got loads as presents last time (some still unworn) so quite handy having another winter baby.

All the talk of big knickers reminds me I really must sort out my bag. Hopefully if everything goes to plan, I won't actually need to take it to hospital but I know I need it ready as the last thing we'd want to be doing is scrambling around grabbing stuff it we do transfer in. Also granny pants are pretty much an essential wherever you give birth!!

Clarella Sun 30-Sep-12 22:07:29

Yes I got 2 sizes bigger and they're lovely, tad baggy but fine smile

Definately a party in the womb around 9/10 in the eve, lunch time and every morning around 5. He seems to like the car with music on, and certain poses at yoga but goes quiet when I swim. Not actually having baths due to having washed up in the bloody thing for months!

Id love a water birth but been wondering if OBEM has increased its popularity and if its harder to get one - in the doctor led bit I have to go to there's 2 pools, my friend had both her children in pools there but since her last 3 years ago there's a new midwife led unit with about 6 I think, just down stairs, however I've been told its usually very quiet as so many people get shifted upstairs in the end! So I worry I'm in competition a bit... maybe in my head people are popping left right and centre...

Congratulations on your little girl mwah

My little one doesn't actually stop moving hmm well obv it does but I feel movement every hour, wether that be day or night. If im up and about I may not notice it so much but it just never stops! Most active is after dinner though. (or 3 am raves)

I have been very productive today. My wardrobe has been thoroughly sorted. My room is free from clutter, the bathroom has been decluttered and cleaned. Dd's room has been blitzed and tidied to within an inch of its life, and she hoovered it. The kids sorted the front room including sorting the messy play stuff and I managed to almost get the kitchen straight. Next job is declutter kitchen and living room. Clean out and organise all kitchen cupboards, and under stair cupboard, and blitz ds's room. Not much then huh?!

DH is home tomorrow smile

mwahmwah Sun 30-Sep-12 22:16:01

Bathtime is this lo's fav time to party, same as dd 6 yrs ago!

ellliebelle Sun 30-Sep-12 22:22:08

stacey wish i was as organised as you. We cleaned our garage out last weekend threw loads of stuff away and have a massive pile to ebay i sorted kitchen cupboards out yesterday and went through all the dd's clothes and mine and dh's still need to sort tops of mine and his wardrobes and under our bed our lounge is pretty clutter free anyway thank god but got playroom to do in a few more weeks hopefully convince the dd's to get rid of some stuff and put some stuff away for baby before he/she arrives and father christmas comes smile

Clarella Sun 30-Sep-12 22:26:37

Lots of girls at nct were talking about water births, but then again many winced at the idea of a net to catch floating poos.... I'm alright with that if it means a free pool grin

Queenofsiburbia Sun 30-Sep-12 22:31:39

Still waiting to find a better place to move to (which is getting abit daunting now!) fingers crossed there's something about to come up but don't want to tempt fate.

Anyway it means I've had no incentive to sort out nursery so it's just lots of baby stuff on the bed & my shoe boxes all over the floor . That also makes me feel almost like I'm waiting for us to move before doing anything at all.. Including hospital bag! Think I need to get on the case.

The wriggler does move alot but most movement happens when I'm still, particularly lying down. I think my movement 'rocks' him/her to sleep. Anyway it means like everyone else it's mostly at night!

Anyone else's baby taken up permanent residence in RHS of bump? Mine likes kicking my liver into my rib cage. Thanks a bunch baby!

Also, how are they happiest upside down? confused doesn't blood go to their head?!

To all those who's babies love the bath, does your bump go underwater? I'm wondering if I have a really shallow bath or if my bump is as huge as I think coz it sticks out of the water hmm

Fingers crossed for you queen

Flumpy2012 Sun 30-Sep-12 23:12:15

Steroid injection 2 - complete!! Thank god for that! Ouch sad

Stacey - my bump doesn't fit under the water either and I have a fairly normal depth bath I think.

Baby active all day and all night here. Hates anything resting on my belly and also hates monitors on her at hospital.

She is just mostly residing in my rib cage which isn't totally comfy if I'm honest.

And the heart burn!! It's waking me at 4am its so intense!!!

Thanks for advice too. Time is a great healer, time and moving forward instead of looking back. So much is going to happen and change, there's just no telling what's going to occur with XP or his DS

I think I'll have to upload a pic of my granny pants - they're huge, almost cover my bump! Haha.

Would it be strange for birthing partner to take flask of coffee if we have time to make it?? xxx

mwahmwah Mon 01-Oct-12 03:01:42

What is with these 2.30 wake ups?!
Re the birth pool question; i've wanted one on both labours but by the time I got to hospital it was too late!
And bump out of water in the bath here too, but baby just loves to b wriggling about. Freaky seeing it move over my tum in the bath!

Flumpy2012 Mon 01-Oct-12 06:09:07

Awake with heartburn angry

Flumpy my hospital has a kitchen with tea and coffee making facilities for the dads they can help themselves to.

I've got a really painful hip, combination of walking yesterday and then sleeping on it. Also feels like my ribs are getting worse since the crash, think the expanding baby isn't helping!

Congratulations mwah smile

EggsMichelle Mon 01-Oct-12 07:52:59

I love bathing cause Shrimpy's movement causes ripples on the water, hours of fun for sure. And if I had enough water to cover the bump, my bathroom would be flooded! Had loads of activity yesterday, but think that's cause I spent most of the day laying on the bed, got to see the alien like movements.

Back to work today after a long weekend off, got a massive project to do this week but think that's my last bit of work before ML starts (3wks to go!!!)

Spotty your body probably isn't going to get the chance to heal from the accident until after the birth, you will have to make the most of getti g rest while you can until then.

EggsMichelle do you find your bump is cold as it's poking out the bath? I always seem to have a cold bump!

It's really frustrating because poor dd just wants to clamber on me and she can't, I could cope with a squished bump but can't cope with her digging her big head into my ribs! I feel like I'm constantly pushing her away (not physically wink)

Spotty I try and splash water over the bump every now and then to keep it warm hmm

Flumpy2012 Mon 01-Oct-12 08:32:31

I pour water over with jug!

Spotty - would lavender heated bean bags help?! I have them and they do help with aches and pains, great when I had whiplash. Just remind DD that it's not long and she can cuddle you and new baby as much as she likes xx

Might try that Flumpy, well dd has an owl with a wheat bag in so that'll have to do grin

Glad I'm not the only one trying to keep bump warm!

Clarella Mon 01-Oct-12 09:58:36

Morning! Would a flannel over bump help keep it warm in the bath? Will have to brave the horror of my barely working bathroom and try a bath! (only 2 more weeks and it'll be shiny and new smile )the women at nct all had the same discussion - I can see a market for a dragons den bath bump warmer...

I'm 32 weeks today. Trying to work out how I feel about that! Definately need to attack the lists and start the h bag collection.

Queenofsiburbia Mon 01-Oct-12 10:07:27

spotty sorry you're still feeling effects of the accident. Once you're slightly on the mend do you think swimming might help? I'm going this a.m and cannot wait to feel weightless.

I feel like such a 'beetle on its back' in the bath that I've given them up rather. I do find if I have shower with back to shower head, my bump sticks out & gets chilly blush!

I'm 32 weeks tomorrow clarella and just cannot believe it!!! 2 months is long but incredibly short too.
Dear friend had a baby last night, her first aswell & we've both been quite daunted by thought of labour. Looking forward to talking to her & seeing her DS!

So uncomfy, can't get my legs together or sit on a hard surface sad bouncing on my ball atm

MyDaydream Mon 01-Oct-12 10:42:48

queen I think baby has just discovered rib cage this past few days, I've been getting some pain in the bottom ones I've never had before.
Baby doesn't really get active in the bath for me, he loves it when I'm on my side, I think it's why DP hasn't seen my belly shake yet since he stops if I lay on my back.
Is anyone else finding the bottom of their back locks up sometimes? If I stay in one position too long when I go to move I can't because its too painful. I had DP and my step dad threatening (jokingly) to pick me up one arm and one leg each and swing me onto the sofa because I'd got stuck laying on the floor!
DP used babies name to talk about him last night and it sounded really strange. It was the first time he's been referred to by his name rather than baby or him by anyone

Secondsop Mon 01-Oct-12 10:43:18

Hello ladies. Just had a call from the midwives, my glucose tolerance test had come back "a little bit raised" after the 2 hours. I have to be referred to the diabetic centre at the hospital.

ISpyPlumPie Mon 01-Oct-12 10:51:03

New fun symptom for this week - nose bleeds! Had one this morning, and although it wasn't huge it freaked me out a bit as I don't remember ever having had one before, pregant or otherwise. The nhs website said it's normal during pregnancy though due to hormonal changes so feel quite reassured by that. Just hope I don't have any in public, esp when I take DS swimming later!

Hope everyone who is uncomfortable/in pain feels better soon.

Flumpy2012 Mon 01-Oct-12 10:51:23

Secondsop - I'm just having mine. The stuff you have to drink is disgusting!!

MyDaydream Mon 01-Oct-12 10:59:46

seconds hope everything is okay when you go to the centre. Have they said what the next step will be?

That's rubbish secondsop hopefully you can control it with diet, after that it will be tablets and insulin as a last resort. They will get you to test your sugar level before and after each meal, my tip is: get right on the side of your fingers just next to the top corner of your nail, it's the least sensitive part, and never do your little fingers!

Gosh Clarella 32 weeks! I'm not even 28 yet <stomps feet>

I've got to go to physio for my 'injuries' anyway so hopefully they can suggest something.

Going to make Indian spiced tomato soup in a minute, super easy and yummy

Secondsop Mon 01-Oct-12 11:10:39

mydaydream the next step is to wait for the referral to the diabetic centre which they said would call me in a few days. I have a midwife appointment scheduled for this afternoon though so will talk to her about it as to what dietary changes I can be making in the meantime. I went on a low carb diet before pregnancy - the India knight book - and found it fine.

spotty thanks for the tips. I feel so down about it, like I've failed in some way by being a bigger BMI before pregnancy. I thought I was doing really well as I haven't put on any weight, even allowing for the weight of the baby etc, and am now 29+4 weeks.

People who have a healthy BMI also get gestational diabetes (Robbie Williams' wife!) so please don't feel bad, it's just all the added pressure on your body and it can be treated. I've been diabetic for 13 years almost and pregnancy is a whole different ball game. I think there is a thread in pregnancy for gestational diabetes they will probably know what you're going through and have some helpful advice smile

Flumpy2012 Mon 01-Oct-12 11:23:35

Secondsop - don't feel down, you've not failed at all. It can be managed really well and remember it is just because of your pancreas and liver coping with another life on board. Also they said it was only slightly raised and it will go away after birth and you can enjoy all those choccies!!!

Hugs xxx

emilyeggs Mon 01-Oct-12 11:24:01

I'm trying to keep bump warm when out! My top two buttons of my coat are the only one I can do up now so bump poking out! (good for getting seat on the tube though smile)

Hope all the pains people are suffering are short lived, I find the middle of my back quite painful in the morning

Secondsop Mon 01-Oct-12 11:27:36

Thanks Spotty and flumpy - I have joined the other thread about gestational diabetes which looks like it has lots of helpful tips. I'm a bit worried the clinic will recommend exercise because, not that I have anything against it normally, but my hip and back pain is so bad that I can barely stand at times.

PurplePidjin Mon 01-Oct-12 11:32:38

Type I, Type II and Gestational Diabetes are all caused by completely different things. Type II is the only one caused by excess weight/poor diet/other environmental factors - the other two are caused by chemical imbalances within the body: Type I is (afaik) congenital and Gestational is caused by pregnancy. Do not blame yourself!

Clarella Mon 01-Oct-12 11:46:32

D'ya know, if anyone ever touts that line 'pregnancy isn't an illness' near me let alone at me again (as my head did as I told her it was classed as a high risk pregnancy) I will clock them. It bloody triggers a lot of illnesses! And I know women have done it for centuries, but it killed a lot of 'em!

Sorry to hear about everyone's pains and general body rubbishness today. The end is nearer than the beginning!

I know queen - Congrats ! and pidg I think too!? to be at the 8 month mark! but what worries me is the 37 weeks is full term line that keeps getting touted! Think crossing our legs will work?! Getting my head out of sand certainly will!

Hope you get sorted with your house queen. We are definately cutting it fine here.

My fat newly formed cankles just bust the zip on my lovely tall winter boots.angry fitted fine last week! Think a cobbler can put a new zip on? We have an actual cobbler down the road <proud> but I don't know if they're what they used to be?

MyDaydream Mon 01-Oct-12 11:53:46

spotty that soup sounds delicious.
seconds thanks for the info, I've got my gtt on Wednesday and I'm getting a bit worried. Don't feel bad, as everyone has said it's not your fault and it could have come up slightly raised even if your bmi wasn't high.
emily my coat will now only fasten with the toggle above my boobs! I won't be going out in the rain much now. I've been covering up with big scarves.
clarella go in and ask, if they sound like they know what they're talking about go for it, if not there's probably a company somewhere who can do it.

PurplePidjin Mon 01-Oct-12 11:54:37

Clarella, pregnancy isn't an illness - if you have a nice, calm, unemployed, stress-free one like mine. I'm in the lucky minority though (so far) because pregnancy certainly causes a lot of nasty conditions!

I'm 32 weeks on Friday, am counting months every 24th, ie LMP (24/2) so I'm 7 months 1 week. Which works in my head...

Eek, potentially 5 weeks shock

Secondsop Mon 01-Oct-12 12:01:34

purple thank you for that. I think I'm just freaking out at the thought of needing another lot of medical attention (after the high blood pressure drama and the current back problems) that I am worrying myself that if only I'd got down to a healthier weight at the start maybe I wouldn't have had such a rollercoaster of a pregnancy.

They might do Clarella certainly worth asking.

MyDaydream It's this one so easy, I add extra lentils though to make it thicker!

Secondsop I'm pretty sure they will just be recommending diet to start with, as park of a healthy lifestyle. They will no doubt be sympathetic to the pain you're in, and they will have their own dietician if you feel you need to talk about foods to eat/avoid. Some things can be surprising!

Pidj now it's October you can say you're due next month!! shock wink

PurplePidjin Mon 01-Oct-12 12:22:42

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh

<head explodes>

grin

annelid Mon 01-Oct-12 12:27:16

Great 28 week appointment today. Bloods and Anti D, baby all fine. Not my usual midwife and she was just checking where I was giving birth as consultant had written hospital! Anyway she is all for me to go for another homebirth, doesn't see any problems at all. I hope she is on duty when I go into labour she was lovely!! She recommended Farleys rusks for upping my iron intake, apparently they are packed full!

she also said that my usual midwife doesn't like delivering babies!? She is a paperwork person, thats why she hadn't really committed to me having a HB.

Anyway, feel very reassured and supported now.

Clarella Mon 01-Oct-12 12:27:31

Definately - occasionally - (sometimes constantly) two of the hardest things to deal with in pregnancy aside physical, physiological and hormonal issues are 'guilt' and 'worry'. Think we've got to remember how much our body is doing growing a new person. By the way, the counsellor I'm seeing told me that in many cultures eg China, the period of seclusion they do traditionally following the birth, where extended family gather round to look after everything/one else and mum and baby just bond for several weeks (word finding skills crap - what's it called?) - statistically results in much lower levels of pnd and the expectation these days to be up and running in a couple of weeks (and into your size 8s) is putting extra uneccessary strain on new mothers. Was is the new head of Google or something who did that? Makes some feel we have to follow suit.

Though as a mum i'll probably feel a lot of guilt and worry anyway! grin lots of nice stuff too though smile

Clarella Mon 01-Oct-12 12:29:06

Ditto pidg

shock smile

My DH has landed on uk soil grin can't wait to have him home!!

FriendofDorothy Mon 01-Oct-12 13:15:26

Rather conveniently the physio appointment was brought forward to this morning.

She has confrmed that I have Pelvic Girdle Pain which is related to Hypermobility Syndrome. My pelvis was misligned by about an inch and half so she has put that back into place, but it hurts more than ever now - she said this is normal and it should ease.

She has also ordered me an attractive looking back brace type thing.

Yay Stacey! grin dp has been rained off today grin

Friend hopefully it'll feel better tomorrow and the pain is just from the initial 'treatment'

2blessed Mon 01-Oct-12 13:25:06

Hi ladies. Hope everyone is feeling ok. 3rd trimester - wow! Still feels like yesterday when I got that wobbly feeling after the nurse confirmed that I'm 'very pregnant' back in May.
Not been around for a while, just moved (absolute nightmare but glad its done) and have been ill with an annoying cough for the past three weeks.

kate2boysandabump Mon 01-Oct-12 13:52:51

Seconds Try not to worry about the diabetes things, pregnancy can affect your body in all sorts of bizarre ways.

Friend Glad you're setting sorted out. I've had that treatment when I was having ds2. It will probably hurt more tomorrow and then feel a bit better the next day.

Clarella Guilt and worry are basically the default settings for parents. For example I feel guilty for shouting at ds1 for losing his trumpet workbook, but feel worried he'll be in trouble for losing it confused

I feel shattered today, DH and I stayed up late watching the Ryder Cup and I'm trying to catch up on different things, but every time I sit down, I think I'm going to nod off.

Off to the dentist after school to get ds1's filling fixed for the 5th time. More stuff to worry and feel guilty about!!!

WeeJo08 Mon 01-Oct-12 13:58:16

Hi everyone!

I'm back after my birthday celebrations (the big 3-0!) and then a week's holiday in Spain. Am 30 weeks today grin Feels quite significant - I guess because the baby could(!) arrive in a week beginning with a 3. That probably doesn't make any sense, does it?!

While I was home for my birthday we went to see the pram that we're thinking of buying and it was absolutely fantastic - in super condition and with all sorts of extras thrown in (covers, foot muff, etc) - so we are going to buy it. It's £200 for everything and DH calculated that this saves us a couple of hundred pounds! grin

I haven't gone back and read the last thread but have caught up on this one so sorry to those who have been suffering sad

issimma Mon 01-Oct-12 14:20:52

I'm also 32 weeks this week, and the baby seems to have moved into my rib cage! And I get the back locking thing, ow!!!
Luckily toddler dd is being a cutie and having a nap grin.

HoneyMum21 Mon 01-Oct-12 14:37:10

My delightful chest infection just made me cough so hard i heard a massive crack and am now in quite a lot of pain... DH thinks i may have cracked a rib confused he got straight on the phone to GP and got me an appointment for this afternoon. owwwwwwwww

Oh Honey! Poor you!

Oh Honey hope you get sorted out this afternoon, get some good painkillers!!!!

I'm going to buy my pram in 1 hour smile smile smile so excited.

Queenofsiburbia Mon 01-Oct-12 14:46:39

I'm now preaching with fanaticism of the converted....

To anyone who is suffering aches & pains, been instructed to exercise or who just wants to remember what it's like to be not pregnant again; go swimming!

Probably everyone already is and I'm slow on the uptake, but I felt too self conscious due to newly enlarged rear, rather than bump previously and now am kicking myself as it was the nicest, most blissful feeling!

Getting out of the pool makes you go shock at how heavy the bump really is! No wonder our backs hurt!

I don't have a maternity swimming costumes! And I definitely can't afford one with everything going on sad

Queenofsiburbia Mon 01-Oct-12 14:49:08

My God honey that's extreme! I cross posted with you so my swimming lecture looks abit incongruous!

Take it super easy and do lots of steam inhalations to help clear you out.
You poor thing!

Queenofsiburbia Mon 01-Oct-12 15:07:04

Oh spotty sad I'm sure the combined MN powers can locate a cheappy sonewhere on the net. I have been buying things from new look maternity which is pretty good.

There will be a sale one somewhere on t'interweb. I got mine in sale from fig leaves. It's abit gaudy but I don't care (it's less scary than my lumpy bump!).

minipie Mon 01-Oct-12 15:29:26

Spotty do you have any bikinis? I wore bikinis recently on holiday and they were fine if a little stretched as long as they have a low cut waist they should fit under the bump?

Owwww Honey hope you are ok. I was going to have a little whinge about the rib pain I've been getting at night, but that's nothing compared with a cracked rib!

Wow to those on 32 weeks! I hit 30 weeks last Friday, it feels like a bit of a milestone, and I feel the number of weeks now somewhat justifies the ENORMOUS size of my bump!

PurplePidjin Mon 01-Oct-12 15:30:31

Spotty, i got a tummy control one from Primark for £8 and cut out the internal panel - go for the ones with ruched sides like maternity tee shirts have, and go up a couple of sizes. Not sure if Primark still gave them but Tesco near me did on Saturday for £14 smile

HoneyMum21 Mon 01-Oct-12 15:36:17

Spotty dunno if it is of any help but just been browsing the m and s website and they have a maternity tankini in the sale [http://www.marksandspencer.com/Maternity-Nautical-Striped-Bandeau-Tankini/dp/B004Y2BRRU?ie=UTF8&ref=sr_1_30&nodeId=42966030&sr=1-30&qid=1349101896 here]

thanks for well wishes- off to dr now!

HoneyMum21 Mon 01-Oct-12 15:37:17

sorry - didnt get link right here

FriendofDorothy Mon 01-Oct-12 15:40:07

Try ebay for swimsuits.

EggsMichelle Mon 01-Oct-12 15:40:08

Left work early, not feeling well mixed with back and bump ache. Curled up with dog on the bed watching The Good Life and hoping for sleep. Also (tmi) I've got a very upset tummy, I'm going to need some sudocreme sad

Clarella Mon 01-Oct-12 15:46:49

Oh honey hope the doc sorts you out, does not sound good.

Yeay queen! I tailed off for a while when feeling crap but trying to get back into it. And I've said before and will say again - crap at front crawl but using a kick board both wobbles the fluid and cramps out of cankles plus warms up my hips for breast stroke. That reminds me I was going to try and go later!

I have a long body so can't cope with normal swim cossies, and as we swim with the kids at school as well as for pleasure seem to get through a few so spend this time of year scooping up random tankini tops and shorts bottoms in sales - if they're black or a plain colour you can mix n match, or add bikini top. In sales they can be just a few quid. I've gone up a size on boobs and bot but seems ok for bump. M and s do good ones as do next, issme, etc etc.

Cobbler couldn't do but a wee birdie told me where to try wink can't afford new boots for a while! (Regretting EVER ditching my doc martyns now)

Thanks for the tips ill have a look smile eBay was no good when I looked before but might be different now. Definitely can't wear a normal bikini due to my 'fluffy tummy' blush would need to do some pruning before swimming!! blush

Oh EggsMichelle hope you feel better, you can take diocalm in pregnancy if you need to. I had an upset stomach/stomach ache the other day for a good few hours and I swear it was the position of the baby causing my bowel to spasm the kicks were really horrible!

monsterchild Mon 01-Oct-12 16:27:46

spotty I hear you on the fuzzy tummy. I think actually growing a winter coat!

monsterchild Mon 01-Oct-12 16:34:24

That should read I think I am growing a winter coat

2blessed Mon 01-Oct-12 16:42:15

Sorry to read about those of you who are not feeling well. spotty and monster I'm really fuzzy on the tummy as well.
Have just been reading a great thread in childbirth called 'clever little tips' will definitely be taking notes from that

HoneyMum21 Mon 01-Oct-12 17:02:56

Back from dr- officially managed to cough so hard I have cracked a rib. Off work for a week and got codeine and hot water bottle!

Secondsop Mon 01-Oct-12 17:14:44

Oh honey that sounds really painful; hope the codeine and hot water bottle help. eggs hope you feel better soon too.

Oh no! Hope feel better soon Honey

Just been on the phone to the solicitors the bloke who crashed into us is still refusing to give his number plate. If this goes to court he will lose so why not just accept it?! I really don't need the stress sad

kate2boysandabump Mon 01-Oct-12 17:42:54

honey that's terrible! Poor you. If you're taking codeine it might make you constipated, just to add to your woes. I took it after an op and couldn't go for a week blush

eggs that was me last week, takes a lot out of you, more time on the sofa may be needed smile

Hope you both feel better soon.

I'm a big fan of swimming while pregnant, I'm sure it's what has kept me off the crutches and still on my feet so far. For those that do have bad pelvis's/backs, breast stroke really isn't a good idea. It puts lots of strain on the joints your trying to protect, if you can't manage front crawl, use a kick board to keep yourself moving. Swimming is also good for getting babies into a good position for delivery, all good smile

EggsMichelle Mon 01-Oct-12 17:45:11

Wow Honey, I understand that cracked ribs are painful, but I'm always quite impressed by the force we can put on our bodies, in your case breaking bones by coughing! Thanks Spotty for the advice, Shrimpy has been especially uncomfortable today, can't decide which is responsible.

My matalan swimming costume is great, I look like a giant strawberry Campino, although not great for big boobs, risk of exposure!

Stacks Mon 01-Oct-12 18:27:43

For those of you with coughs that just won't go away, it may be worth talking to your doc about whooping cough. Apparently the only sign in adults that its WC is a cough which lasts an unusually long time. Not sure if there is a treatment for it though?

Clarella Mon 01-Oct-12 18:28:24

Oh dear honey, rest up and get well soon - though I'm sure it ll be more than a week?? At least you can sleep, sleep sleep with no guilt. Codine also bungs me up so keep the prunes and lactulose handy! Can also make me feel sort of warm and snoozy (which can be nice!) What did they say about the cough though - doesn't sound like its getting any better?

Spotty, that is very odd and stressful, try and let the solicitors deal with it though - he is certainly digging a hole for himself.

All the swim talk forced me to go swimming which id dithered over - very glad - however serious issues folding over to attempt any sort of foot/shoe/sock/jeans dressing - baby is totally wedged under ribs playing footy with my stomach so that I'm having to sit bolt upright. I'm surprised, I thought id be bigger when that happens. Yoga is not gonna go smoothly tonight!

PurplePidjin Mon 01-Oct-12 19:29:37

<Hot choc for honey>

I'm sat in my car waiting to be less early for my interview <eek> 11 minutes!

honey that sounds horrific you poor thing, plenty of rest and really hope you feel better soon.
spotty what a dick!! I had an accident a few years back and the driver dragged it out for ages claiming it wasn't his fault and I had no witnesses so was really stressed and worried (and not like i was preg at the time!)- but in the end justice was done and he was found to be guilty before it went to court, I know it's really hard but please try not to worry yourself, you need to be looking after yourself (easier said than done i know!) but i wish you the best of luck with it all.
So jealous of all the swimming talk- i genuinely think it's saved me this pregnancy. However with work and DP working 14 hour days 7 days a week I haven't had the chance for the past two weeks. And tonight I think a very early night is on the cards as I feel as though i've been hit by a bus again with tiredness/general body aches. Hormones have upped a notch as I cried three times at work today and my face resembles either a dot-to-dot or a 15 year old boy's skin. V uppsetting as my skin has really done me proud this pregnancy. Deff tired and not a radiant glow!!
Exciting pram news strawberry, what one did you go for in the end? is anyone else worried that when they finally get theirs delivered after all this time they wnt like it anymore and wish they got a different one?!
hope you feel better soon eggs that does sound v sucky indeed. Keep drinking water and make sure you get some sympathy/TLC.
Ahh I'll stop rambling now..

Whoever said their dh didn't get to feel many kicks because baby mainly kicks when on your side try some naked spooning. Dp always gets kicks in the back grin

itsMYNutella Mon 01-Oct-12 21:02:33

Evening ladies, you are all looking lovely! grin
Thought I'd pop my head round and say hello on the new tread.

Spotty re DPs and DHs feeling movement: I read somewhere that if someone puts their ear to your belly now they should be able to hear the baby's heartbeat. DP had a go and got a pummelling in the face <ha ha ha> grin he was surprised at how hard the bean is kicking now!
We tried again last night and it worked, I loved the look of awe on his face. Wish I could hear it!

PurplePidjin Mon 01-Oct-12 21:05:39

Spotty, if we try that it's not dp that gets kicked and prodded hmm

HoneyMum21 Mon 01-Oct-12 22:20:19

Agghh. Having a panic. I asked the dr ad he said it was fine, but I stupidly just asked google and now am worried- codeine (fairy minimal dose) is ok at this stage isn't it? Google said not in early pregnancy and not in final week or so but isn't clear about now (am 30 weeks). Does anyone know for sure?

FriendofDorothy Mon 01-Oct-12 22:26:44

Codeine is fine. Don't worry. It can be prescribed all the way through pregnancy if necessary. The codeine should Aldo help to suppress your cough.

monsterchild Mon 01-Oct-12 22:28:04

Honey, my understanding is that right before birth and the baby has withdrawal issues. Early on it's a development issue.at 30 weeks he will do any withdrawal inside you and with you so not such a problem

FriendofDorothy Mon 01-Oct-12 22:29:58

Also the reality is that unless you are taking shed loads of codeine withdrawals are likely to be fairly limited.

HoneyMum21 Mon 01-Oct-12 22:33:55

Thanks for quick responses! I knew it was prob ok just had a minor panic moment! Thank you thanks

Queenofsiburbia Mon 01-Oct-12 23:38:37

Feeling for you honey I had a shocking cough until last week but yours sounds horrendous! Hope you get well soon (also figs are in season wink)

Eggs hope u feel better soon too.

& I hope the damn evil driver gets his comeuppance soon.

We're in a bad way right now! Maybe instead of sobbing sofa we all need nice recuperation ward, with kind nurses to bring us horlicks, set in downton abbey?! Perhaps we should save that for December!!!

Thanks for advice about breaststroke Kate. As I now intend to spend every spare minute in the pool that's very useful info!

Clarella, I had very undignified hopping around moment after swimming, trying to hook sock over big toe! What's it going to be like in November!

MaMaPo Tue 02-Oct-12 06:16:55

Morning all. I stupidly woke up at about 4.30am and now have given up on the night's sleep as a bad job. So it's an early breakfast for me.

I have missed loads of stuff, so commiserations to those feeling under the weather (and breaking ribs!). None of this stuff is a walk in the park for the body so look after yourselves.

Epic week this week (and I could do without having to cope on 5 hours sleep) as I have 2 NCT classes and two other evening events on top of manic work days. First NCT last night was good - very friendly other people, and the teacher seemed good enough UNTIL she started suggesting homeopathic remedies! It took all my willpower not to start grilling her on the evidence base for it. I know I am mouthy strong willed but I like my tea hot and my medicine science-based, thank you very much.

Luckily everything else was helpful otherwise I'd be fuming.

Nutella That is very cool that your other half was able to hear the heartbeat - I might see if my husband wants to have a go at some stage. I think he's enjoying this later stage of my pregnancy much more than the earlier one - he seems to be increasingly involved and excited which is lovely.

EggsMichelle Tue 02-Oct-12 06:25:26

I tried to look at my lady garden yesterday, to judge whether it needed tidying, and there was no angle I could get in to see it sad I suppose when I go swimming next I will have to judge by the looks of horror on people's faces! Next stage I will be joining Queen at sock wars.

I slept well, but woken still with abdo pain, feels like constipation/bloat which is an odd contrast to yesterday. Feel like there is no more space left for Shrimpy, he will have to stop growing.

Queenofsiburbia Tue 02-Oct-12 07:04:06

I've been awake & trying to force the sleep but not happening due to really painful lower back / pelvis.
New mattress arrives today, yippee!

Pre-swimming, my lady garden took abit of blind zipping around yesterday with a 'lady trimmer' to get sort of ship shape, can just manouevre bump to catch small glimpse of the area but those days are clearly numbered grin !

mamapo I'm just like you about evidence based medicine etc etc and will also be doing silent gnashings of teeth (if not already irritated in which case, not so silent). All in all looking forward to it but if they live up to my mothers nickname of MPP not NCT (More Pain Please) I will be abit angry!

Ditto when community midwife reacted angrily about epidurals (I have a previous spine injury from horse riding, which meant hospital midwife arranged for me to see anaesthetist to check no issues with epidural. There aren't!) and had a go at me for expecting one, confused I was abit cross.
I'd only asked what alternatives were in case not possible and mainly asked because couldn't think if another question. Plus was about 20 weeks so not like I had a clue about what I want still clueless
She said "water is the most effective pain relief" hmm. I'm sure itniche eat but I did actually laugh at her & say that probably not quite as effective as anaesthetic.

Queenofsiburbia Tue 02-Oct-12 07:05:49

blush
Should read ... 'I'm sure it's great'

Stupid iPhone.

EggsMichelle Tue 02-Oct-12 07:16:13

As the saying goes, you wouldn't have a tooth out without Novocain, so why the hell would we be expected to push a melon out with nothing more than positive though, it's like stepping back to the dark ages! And I'd like to see that midwife have surgery with just a warm compress as pain relief. I hope that I can do it with just gas and air, but also expect to be listened to in hospital and given the pain relief I am entitled to.

I'm finally making my chutney today! It's a little late but been kind of busy!

Slept from 9:15 until 5:50 with only minor waking a for painful position changes so feeling quite good today!

I think I'd need a hedge trimmer for any maintenance down there blush

My anaesthetist refused to give me an epidural last time because he was too scared and hadn't contacted his colleagues in london to see if it was ok like he said he would. I have since found out it is safe for me to have one angry but I suppose I did it once without I can do it again plus I reckon had I had one last time they would have just gone straight to CS

Oh also I HAVE A NEW CAR!!! grin

Queenofsiburbia Tue 02-Oct-12 07:26:30

True! As clarella pointed out, childbirth is that 'totally natural' scenario famed for its agonising pain & which was responsible for 'naturally' killing huge numbers of women until 50 odd years ago!

We just ain't well designed for babies! Narrow hips for walking long distances + big heads for big brains is not a winning combo hmm.

Queenofsiburbia Tue 02-Oct-12 07:32:14

Sorry spotty, X posted!

Yeay for new car!!!!

FriendofDorothy Tue 02-Oct-12 08:11:43

I feel like a new woman. Not quite sure exactly what that physio did but I certainly am not in so much pain this morning and I slept really well!

MyDaydream Tue 02-Oct-12 08:12:22

I went at mine the other day and it took ages, I tried so hard to find an angle I could see but no luck! I got DP to check my handiwork when I was done and he just laughed.
Yey spotty on the car! Is it lovely? I have my driving test this month so hopefully ill have my first car by November.
My mum has passed on several gems of advice based on her life experiences and one of them is "take everything they offer you". She thinks I'm mad for going against this, but I really want to go to the MLU up the road rather than the big hospital miles away.

That's good news Friend smile

Well they can still give you diamorohine MyDaydream (or they can at ours?) it's just the epidural they can't. Plus the MLU always look much more comfy. I do love the car it's quite sporty though confused and had automatic lights! Nice to be driving a manual again too I love driving!

gilsbubbles Tue 02-Oct-12 08:34:17

I had a go at some last gardening this weekend, fair to day it will be the last time till junior is here. Lots of mirrors and contorting and dp still laughed and had to tidy up. I've had to get him cutting my toenails too.....nobody ever mentions these glamorous elements of pregnancy

I'm booking in for a wax early in dec as there's no way I can do any trimming anymore and I'm not asking DH!

I am so tired atm, but really glad to have DH home finally.

FriendofDorothy Tue 02-Oct-12 08:52:29

My husband commented the other day that foreplay these days involves a lawnmower. Cheeky sod!

emilyeggs Tue 02-Oct-12 09:28:56

Was also thinking of getting waxed in dec...do you think they see it all the time with pregnant women?

Flumpy2012 Tue 02-Oct-12 09:29:05

I'm beginning to get concerned about how I'm going to have a trim down there before birth! Without a DP there's not exactly anyone else to help so I guess it's just have a go yourself and hope for the best!grin

issimma Tue 02-Oct-12 09:40:14

Haha at all the fanjo maintenance talk grin. I'm going to get a basic wax (certainly not a Brazilian), as if not they'll shave me before the ELCS, and I don't fancy my chances with an NHS razor! I didn't bother with DD1 and didn't care about what the mws thought - they certainly didn't comment on it, and I wouldn't do it for their sake. I'm sure they've seen a lot worse, and are more focused on getting the baby out and keeping your perineum intact than gossiping about the hairy minge in room 4 ...

I haven't been swimming (another pelvis sufferer so thanks for the breast stroke tip), but I take the toddler every week. It's hard work carrying her around, but she loves it, and I do feel good afterwards. Her classes finish in a couple of weeks thankfully.

It seems a few of us have babies under/in our ribcage. Lifting your arms helps slightly. Any other tips? It's so uncomfy!

emilyeggs Tue 02-Oct-12 09:50:09

grin issi hairy minge in room 4.... Did make me laugh!

Flumpy2012 Tue 02-Oct-12 10:11:12

TMI but people say its more to do with comfort afterwards with bleeding than what the mw thinks blush

WeeJo08 Tue 02-Oct-12 11:06:13

Another one here with a bit of the dreaded lurgy sad Just a sore throat and a bit of a cough though no cracked ribs thankfully! That sounds dreadful for you, honey, I hope you get loads of rest and feel better soon. I am heading to the doctor this afternoon to get something to sort out this silly cough/throat thing quickly as am going to get both the flu jab and the whooping cough one next week so don't want anything to mess it up/make me feel unwell!!

For my birthday I had got a Mamas & Papas voucher from a friend and went on their website to check how much it was for, thinking I could get a pair of maternity tights or a nice sleepsuit for Shnarf. I was gobsmacked that the voucher is for £75 shock It was made even better by noticing that M&P have a sale on until this weekend! So excited! Might get Moses basket or maybe a breast pump (which isn't very cut and cuddly but probably necessary!)

Issimma You made me snort my tea with the thought of the midwives "gossiping about the hairy minge in room 4" I can't even see mine at the moment either but would like to try and do something about it before it gets to the stage of hiring a gardener.

Spotty Yay on the new car! What type is it?

I agree congealed pubes are not nice blush it doesn't help you feel clean!

Oh lucky you WeeJo have you got a changing bag yet? They do nice ones or you could spend it on pointless cute things wink

It's a black (colour v important) Astra and it has automatic lights!

annelid Tue 02-Oct-12 11:14:06

Our Asda has maternity clothes on sale at the moment including swimming costumes

Argh my nearest asda is an hour away! Ill have a look online

ellliebelle Tue 02-Oct-12 11:28:50

I got a maternity tankini in asfa for £6 smile only thing is the top rides up when im at aquanatalbsobhave taken to tucking it into the bottoms not attractive im sure smile

Im also going to book in for a wax early december and again more for keeping clean afterwards

Nothing online. Some random man just came down my path and put something in our bin.... I'm too scared to go see what it is!

issimma Tue 02-Oct-12 11:43:58

flumpy you can see it afterwards though - less risk of giving yourself an episiotomy grin.

I got a 2nd hand maternity bikini from ebay and will probably be able to sell it for what I paid when I'm done with it.

WeeJo08 Tue 02-Oct-12 11:47:48

Spotty No - don't have a changing bag yet, that's a good idea! Car sounds lovely - I like black cars, they always look really sleek.

Everyone - how many sleepsuits, etc have you bought for the baby and (for those of you who are having second/third/fourth/fifth babies) have you used Sainsburys' baby clothes? I was thinking of getting some of their multi packs.

Secondsop Tue 02-Oct-12 11:58:55

weejo what a lovely present from your friend.

I've just started to look at websites to order various bits for my hospital bag and thereafter - nursing bras, pads etc. Does one really need different bras for night-time?

Also, what are the special features of a changing bag as opposed to a normal bag?

Secondsop Tue 02-Oct-12 12:01:05

Oh and, I wasn't planning to pay any attention to my "lady garden"; midwives can think what they like and they will have seen all sorts as not every culture expects its women to remove every last bit of hair from their body anyway, and if the hair is uncomfortable afterwards, then by then I'll be able to see it to trim it.

I found Sainsbury's ones fitted dd the best, along with BlueZoo at Debenhams and I will be getting them again. I would just get one pack of newborn and a couple of 0-3.

Changing bags have lots if pockets and wipe clean interior. Some people do without but I found it really useful

Secondsop Tue 02-Oct-12 12:11:42

Ah thanks Spotty. I was asking because I've got a really good big multi-pocketed bag that I was hoping to use but it doesn't have a wipe-clean interior. But I am a bit of a dab hand with a sewing machine so it would not be beyond me to make a poppered removable wipe-clean lining for a couple of the sections. Although this would largely depend on whether I can be bothered.

ellliebelle Tue 02-Oct-12 12:16:40

seconds im sure you can get by without different bra's for night time i always just felt comfier in the night time bras for bed as they are more like a cropped top so not shapped and my boobs stayed in them rather than falling out of the cup so to speak

Secondsop Tue 02-Oct-12 12:18:56

Thanks ellliebelle; my current bras are all underwired so a bit diggy for sleeping in (not that that stops me falling asleep on the sofa in them) do I might look for some soft-cup nursing bras that would also work for nighttime.

ellliebelle Tue 02-Oct-12 12:19:22

Also with changing bags this time round id like a really nice big handbag or a changing bag that looks like a handbag (although these all seem very expensive and not sure i have the budget for it) sad

issimma Tue 02-Oct-12 12:23:15

Sains and Asda baby clothes are fab - wash and fit well - better than John Lewis or other fancy brands.

I think I've got most hospital bag stuff - just need to stock up on glamorous maternity pads. Will pay using advantage card points in Boots so at least they're (kind of) free. Oh, and I need ginormous knickers, but need to see what's left over from last time!

I had a changing bag with DD (the Boots freebie is good, and I had a lovely - but crap quality - tiny tillia one), but will be using a rucksack this time to make it easier to manoeuvre double buggy. I didn't ever have a spillage inside the bag, so wipe clean was irrelevant. I do have a waterproof drawstring bag (an old gym one) that I'll pop in just in case.

Secondsop Tue 02-Oct-12 12:32:18

ellliebellie the bag I was hoping to use

I'm starting to panic about how unprepared I am. I am almost at a week beginning with a 3. I am going to bite the bullet and just ORDER SOMETHING - nursing pads and maternity pads and nursing bras. I think I'm worrying too much about whether I'm looking in the cheapest places as at this rate I won't have anything I need.

Secondsop Tue 02-Oct-12 12:34:29

GAAH, that went wrong: ellliebellie the bag I was hoping to use is a lovely brown leather bag that can be shoulder or handheld and that looks like an oversized handbag. I got it a few years ago from an etsy seller called Valhalla Brooklyn. It was not cheap but has been incredibly useful - for a flight bag, work bag when Ive got lots of papers, weekend bag etc.

I need a new bag anyway and I like the babymel canvas blue stripe one. (Can't link on phone). But I do think a normal bag would work just as well smile

Oh secondsop just do a big mothercare order then it's all over and done with!

PurplePidjin Tue 02-Oct-12 12:45:52

Issima, i was going to go for a rucksack too. I live in an upstairs flat in the town centre, so for short trips for milk etc a sling will be far more use than lugging the buggy up and down. Baby on front, bag on back and away we go - nappies can go in a wet bag smile

I prefer to sleep in a vest top anyway, so am assuming sleep bras will be unnecessary?

Secondsop Tue 02-Oct-12 12:46:16

Spotty you're right. Big mothercare order it is.

HoneyMum21 Tue 02-Oct-12 12:53:29

Thanks all for the well wishes. I'm off work for a week so propped up on the sofa with lots of cushions and a hot water bottle on the cracked rib. Just realised we have very little food in the house and DH isn't home till late tonight and is away on a course in Scotland tomorrow so am going to have to find a way of getting some shopping in possibly phoning my dad with a shopping list and a pathetic voice

I ordered the Avent breastfeeding starter kit off Amazon - reduced from £200 (which i would never have paid) to £75 or so - it includes the electric pump which is £60 on it's own. I don't know how useful the other bits are going to be but for an extra £15 you get the steriliser and some bottles and lotions and potions. ANyway, it's worth having a look at if you're thinking about getting that pump anyway.

Am i being totally stupid/naive in having not even considered bras for nightime? I figured i'd still just wear strappy tops for bed and pull them up/down for feeding. Is this my ignorance showing...?

HoneyMum21 Tue 02-Oct-12 12:55:12

ahh, x-post about strappy tops pidj

I'll probably just wear a maternity bra in bed at night until my boobs settle down. You'll need a bra to hold your pads in place

ellliebelle Tue 02-Oct-12 12:59:22

honey,pidj id say a strappy top with the hidden support in would be fab of not yout brrast pads might go amiss if using them. To be honest i didnt really produce enough milk to warrent breast pads but i know some people do and last thing you want is a milky bed sad

seconds bag sounds lovely just like what i want. Something i willbhopefully use for a good few years after i need a changing bag

ellliebelle Tue 02-Oct-12 12:59:54

X-posts spotty

FriendofDorothy Tue 02-Oct-12 13:01:56

We bought this bag in red - mainly because my husband was happy to carry it as well.

HoneyMum21 Tue 02-Oct-12 13:03:17

Thanks smile i guess it's little things like that that are part of the learning curve!

Silly question about changing bags - do they tend to have a compartment where you specifically put wet/soiled/dirty clothes that can be cleaned out easily? Or should i be looking for something to go in the changing bag to hold things like that separately?

FriendofDorothy Tue 02-Oct-12 13:03:32

Does anyone have any recommendations on maternity pads. I live on a stupidly small island and couldn't find them in our local Boots. I am thinking I might have to order some oline.

ellliebelle Tue 02-Oct-12 13:07:06

I would love one of these bags not sure dh would be happy, maybe if i get loads of christmas money smile which is unlikely

ellliebelle Tue 02-Oct-12 13:08:14

honey some come with a messy bag inside for dirty bits

HoneyMum21 Tue 02-Oct-12 13:10:03

Today is going to be filled with me asking stupid questions as with nothing else to do i'm coming up with lots of things to worry about... is it acceptable to wear maternity trousers etc after the birth while things settle down? How long is it deemed acceptable to still dress like you're pregnant?!!

HoneyMum21 Tue 02-Oct-12 13:10:54

ooooh, Ellie those bags are lovely!

ellliebelle Tue 02-Oct-12 13:17:52

Hehe i love silly questions smile after dd1 i didnt want to wear my maternity clothes at all. Mainly because i haf so little that fitan i was fed up of wearing it. With dd2 i never wanted to wear anything but my mat ttousers again as they were so comfy and when i did i just wore leggings and tunics and then boyfriend jeans with elasticated waists smile took me a long time to wear proper jeans again but mainly cause i didnt make a huge effort to loose baby weight as i knew i wanted another baby and decided id wait till aftet this oneto get my body back yo how i wanted it blush this timr i pkan to wear mat clothes till im happy with figure or till they are literally too big which ever comes soonest as i dont have the money to keepbuying new clothes as i loose weight

Friend I got mothercare ones because they had wings and I prefer them.

Honey wear them as long as you like definitely for the first few weeks. Most people wear them until they can fit into pre pregnancy stuff so it just depends how long your uterus/tummy takes to go down

HoneyMum21 Tue 02-Oct-12 13:19:54

i'm just wondering if midwives/hospital staff will judge me if i'm still in mat jeans/leggings when i leave hospital or at the first couple of visits!

No of course not!!

MrsPear Tue 02-Oct-12 13:22:18

friendofdorothy hello re maternity pads - did you check the baby aisle? They are usually kept with babies nappies or thereabouts. Otherwise i just use sainsburys!

HoneyMum21 Tue 02-Oct-12 13:23:44

Thanks smile

MrsPear Tue 02-Oct-12 13:24:43

honey due to too many biscuits i finally admitted defeat when ds was 6 months and swapped maternity jeans for a larger size normal jeans. This time i have not gained as much weight (but bump is bigger!) and am determined to loose the extra a little quicker this time!

Flumpy2012 Tue 02-Oct-12 13:27:44

I was hoping to keep my under bump may jeans just for flabby days even in years to come!

Has anyone got stretch marks?! Anything magic for them. I've read a lot that if you're going to get them you're going to get them no matter what you do sad I just have a couple appearing on my back

Ordered a fab changing bag on amazon which comes with mat, blanket, bottle holder and a coin purse and a clip for keys!! Hangs on pram lovely too.

I think after the initial week we should be able to wear normal sanitary towels rather than maternity ones no?

Oh issime - I will not want to look there afterwards - at all!!!

I wore spanx 10 days post partam so I could fit in my normal jeans blush

I don't think there is any way to avoid stretch marks I'm afraid, they will fade eventually.

I would wear maternity pads for a big longer than a week, I wore them for six. Just the fact that they are thicker makes them more comfy than normal pads

HoneyMum21 Tue 02-Oct-12 13:31:11

i'm still fitting into pre-preg sized leggings and my jeans (very low) are just about ok too so hoping will get back into them after not too long... but a lot can change in the next 10 weeks!

ellliebelle Tue 02-Oct-12 13:31:38

Regarding maternity pads i never used them after last 2 births just used the biggest pads always do so i cant really comment on which are best

issimma Tue 02-Oct-12 13:33:29

I wore maternity clothes for a few weeks after the birth - the MWs certainly won't be judging you (or even notice) if you leave hospital in them, and I was in PJs for the first visit. Take comfy clothes to leave in - my maternity skinnies were just too much for my battered nether regions. You live and learn grin. I left wearing a coat and nightie, was freeeezing.

I think I got mat pads from Boots last time. Wherever you get them from, buy more than you think you'll need. I was bleeding for 10 weeks after DD (although could use normal Always after 2 or 3 weeks, can't remember exactly). Stock up on some super sanitary towels too - the mat pads are huge and it's nice to be able to dump them!

Change bags - as long as there's room for a wet vest and babygro, you'll be ok (or take a carrier or other waterproof bag). Wet nappies can go straight in the bin in cafes/shops baby change bins or, ahem, normal high street bins <offers apologies to local council>. You won't need to carry them all day with you.

I wore normal bras at night (to hold pads in). But then am pretty flat chested <weeps> and only BF for a couple of weeks <weeps some more>.

DD is napping, am off to join her grin.

MyDaydream Tue 02-Oct-12 13:38:17

weejo I have a lot of sleep suits (30+) in 0-3 due to being bought things and winning a huge bundle on eBay, but think its a bit excessive they just cost the same as 10
new ones. In newborn I'm buying 6 sleep suits and 6 vests in plain multipacks, it'll get me through the first few days at least and if I need more ill ask a visiting relative to pop to asda on the way over.
I keep looking at change bags and can't make up my mind, DP doesn't care about being seen with it as long as its not OTT floral or something, but would be happy with a plain bag of most colours. I just want something that doesn't scream "change bag" so I can use it as a giant handbag in a few years.
I think I'm going to do the rest of my shopping next month when DP gets paid so I can sit back and think its all done and we can focus on baby freak outs. DP had a panic last night that he wasn't going to be a good dad and he'll crack under the responsibility because he's just realised my pregnancy is real.
honey ill be dressing in my big leggings and maternity jeans until I feel ready to put something smarter on. If anyone tries to take them off me before I'm ready ill tantrum! I've given myself a year to loose baby weight and the extra I gained before pregnancy but really my plan involves eating a bit better and getting out for a walk with baby every day once I feel up to it.

utopian99 Tue 02-Oct-12 13:50:31

spotty hurrah for the new car!
honey sorry to hear about ribs and hope you get as much rest as possible..

There's a 1/2 price sale on baby clothes in boots, for those on the lookout, and superdrug are selling pregnacare plus for £8.60 (or thereabouts..)

Secondsop Tue 02-Oct-12 13:57:57

Re clothes, I'm fully expecting to still look pregnant for a good while after birth so will still be dressing as if pregnant. I'm still in my "normal" clothes as my staple wardrobe is stretchy dresses that I make, although now worn with either no belt or an under-bust belt instead, so after the birth I'll just be putting those back on again. I am rather enamoured of my over-bump leggings though so you'll have to prise those off me afterwards.

interwebmum Tue 02-Oct-12 14:05:53

Hello I've just joined MN although I've been reading the pregnancy discussions for a few months. I hope it's ok to join in with the december thread this late on!
A bit of background on me:
I'm 35 and living in France although I'm a London girl originally. I'm due on 16th december with a little girl.
It's my first pregnancy, so it's all new!
I'm living in a small (and quite boring) town and don't know many people here. We were forced to move here for my DH's work. So MN has been a brilliant link to the rest of civilisation and a great source of information.
I hope to get to know the rest of you december mums soon.

ps. do tell me if I do anything daft. I've never done a discussion forum before!

HoneyMum21 Tue 02-Oct-12 14:09:07

welcome interweb smile

Welcome interwebmum I'm due the 16 th too but this is my 3rd baby (DHs 1st) and we're having a surprise (dd is 8yo this month and ds is 6yo next month)

I got given a change bag, I wanted a handbag type one but as I've just been given one that's decent I couldn't justify the expense.

As for pads I've only got one pack ATM I don't remember having to wear them for too long with the others but my memory of their baby years isn't the best blush

And I'm sure I was in maternity clothes for at least 5-6 weeks after each of them. It will completely depend in how quickly your uterus goes back to normal size. It's def nothing to be ashamed of.

knottyhair Tue 02-Oct-12 14:28:21

Hi interweb!
Haven't been on here for ages, so really sorry for not keeping up. Honey, sorry to hear about your awful cough and your rib injury, sounds horrible.
Had 28 wk scan and consultant appt yesterday and baby Rosa is measuring exactly "average" for her dates, and she was very active during the scan. Have some very scary alien-like pictures as she was face on a lot of the time! Had my thyroid meds increased a little but otherwise everything is fine.
Not sure who is was talking about MLUs etc. but I would warn you to check what your local unit can offer, and how long it would take to get you to hospital if there are any problems. My local MLU don't do any assisted births at all, i.e. if you need even forceps, you have to go by ambulance half an hour to hospital and I'm pretty sure if that had been the case when I had DS, he wouldn't have made it. Don't want to scare anyone but just something to be aware of.

utopian99 Tue 02-Oct-12 14:32:29

Hi interweb, ours is due Dec 15th!

Posted without realising there was an extra page..(also tried to check my advantage card points by putting my driving licence in the machine - baby brain.. blush )

Is my first and so far although in mat clothes for some time haven't gained elsewhere that i can see, and weddings to attend in June and July so hoping to get back to pre-preg by then. Won't be worried if I stay in my under-bump jeans for a month or so though... Planning on lots of major walks with the crumb to give him fresh air and me exercise. smile

2blessed Tue 02-Oct-12 15:01:43

Welcome interwebmum
Thanks stacks about the whooping cough suggestion. I’d not thought about that. I’ve had my persistent cough for 3 weeks now! Will definitely make an appointment to see my GP. Is everyone having the whooping cough jab? Sorry if I’ve missed chat on this subject, struggling to keep up with the pace…
eggs I’ve already warned my local salon that I will be coming in late November for a Brazilian. I want to be plucked like a chicken for that delivery room! Not had one for a while so I’m sure its going to hurt but think I’ll be thankful for it in the long run. Hoping I will be able to combine it with a general pampering session – e.g pedicure and facial
spotty After considering dreaming about the pacapod for months, I think I’m now longing for a babymel changing bag.
I really need to stop dithering and get on and buy a pushchair. Was torn between the UppaBaby vista and Bugaboo Bee/Quinny Zap/Oyster. But think I’m going to stick with my gut and go for the UppaBaby.
One thing that I’m not happy about is that I seem to have lost my enthusiasm for cooking sad. Maybe its because I constantly feel exhausted.

MyDaydream Tue 02-Oct-12 15:30:57

Welcome interweb
utopian fresh air and walking is my plan. I lost loads of weight a few years ago just walking 30minutes to and from work everyday. There's loads of parks and woods near me, so I can keep it varied too.
2blessed I'm feeling the same, I just can't motivate myself to stand in front of the cooker making food.
I feel crippled by exhaustion and just want to stay in bed. I'm hopefully having my 28 week bloods taken tomorrow although I have to sweet talk my antenatal dept at the hospital to do it with my gtt and fit me in for an antenatal appointment to get the results too. Still without a GP or MW.

Welcome interweb you must be hitting the magic 30 week mark now?!

I have my 28 week scan and consultants appointment tomorrow morning, then have to go to physio in the afternoon, the appointments are over 35 miles apart which is a right pita hmm

My chutney is simmering away, smells like Christmas grin

2blessed I think I'm going for this one

I really liked the Uppababy Vista but found it quite heavy and we'll be using the car a lot so we're going for the Mutsy Evo. Still not ordered it though!

kate2boysandabump Tue 02-Oct-12 16:15:12

Welcome interweb

Utopian grin about the advantage card.

I've read the 'garden' maintenance with much interest and [grins] DH tidied my bikini line when I was in labour with ds1, I didn't know it at the time, but he did a good job. I found out about a week later. Hopefully I'll be a bit more organised and get it done before hand this time.

Pidg How did the interview go? Have you said and I've missed it?

I've been for physio today, I've been fitted with an enormous piece of tubigrip and I've got to go back in 2 weeks for them to assess my pelvic alignment. I also got lots of really good advice, most of which I've been doing anyway, but it's good to be reminded of good habits.

I've also nearly finished my Christmas shopping, just got to get a few more bits for the boys and then done, I feel quite pleased with myself.

Flumpy2012 Tue 02-Oct-12 17:18:49

Welcome Interweb smile

Has anyone actually had their whooping cough vaccination yet? Mine is booked for Thursday along with flu and my regular b12 (pin cushion!)

Went to see a house today - was awful, I'm totally gutted so now I'm consoling myself with popcorn

Everything aches, my boobs are leaking and I need a hug sad

honey online food shopping? We have recently discovered cook which are all home made meals you just shove in the oven and are lovely, going to stock up before December!

I had a Lin and Leo bag in pink last time but once a bottle opened in it (when dh was in charge) and the leather on one side was ruined, the inside is not waterproof at all!! They look beautiful if you can keep them clean though and the darker colours are more practical.

cookies I got my stokke in purple from mothercare, made them price match everything so saved a few £100 too. We bought a cotbed too as they have 15% off at the moment it is this one - cot in almond. I really wanted a boori but when I looked at the difference in quality and price decided the cheaper one was much better.

Boots have 3 for 2 on pharmacy and optical at the moment so I bought arnica tablets, lavender oil and some cooling eye masks too...can't resist a bargain. Almost finished washing baby clothes now and hospital suitcase is half full.

As for grooming I have tried to sort it myself but I think I will get a wax before labour as last time the midwife pointed out to my dh that a certain part of my anatomy dilates before the baby comes out and they were both studying it like I was a fricking cow. I would have sworn at her had I not been a little high. blush.

HoneyMum21 Tue 02-Oct-12 17:27:47

Aww Flumpy unmumsnetty hugs. If it makes you feel any better i feel like my boobs have been leaking forever.

And hello interweb

Clarella Tue 02-Oct-12 17:30:09

Gordon Bennett, you lot have chatted today!

Tried to post several times and been distracted then the thread's moved on!

Just catching up.... welcome interwebmum!

And yes as soon as I'd ordered it I thought oh shit, I hope I've made the right decision and started eyeing up the bugaboo.

Secondsop Tue 02-Oct-12 17:35:44

flumpy Ive asked about the whooping cough vaccine but my surgery isn't yet taking appointments for it. They said to ring in the second half of this week. I have my flu jab next Wednesday.

HoneyMum21 Tue 02-Oct-12 17:39:00

Thanks for suggestion Strawberry - gonna do an online shop later in the week but got my dad to pick me up some essentials like bread and marmalade

Equimum Tue 02-Oct-12 17:42:10

Welcome interweb

(((((((((*Flumpy*)))))))))

* Strawberry* I love Cook. Have made DH agree that we can do an order from there ready for the first couple of weeks after LO arrives. Good pointer: For anyone veggies or anyone having to cook for veggies, esp over Christmas, their nutroast is by far the best I know of - really moist and yummy!

GAP still have the end of their kids sale on for anyone interested. I popped in today and ended up buying three things that weren't in the sale. Oooops! blush

Our pushchair arrived yesterday. We've gone for the Mountain Buggy Urban Jungle, which I have to admit, reminds me of an old Land Rover Defender! Yes, very dull, but incredibly practical for dragging across a stable yard and taking out with the horse (no, I'm not planning on towing it, as my brother assumed I meant by that comment!). We also got our cot on Saturday. We also liked the Boori, but opted for the cheaper John Lewis equivilent

utopian99 Tue 02-Oct-12 17:57:26

strawberry we have a purple Stokke too! I'm.a tiny bit in love with it.. Ours was second hand though, so wondering if I can wash the footmuff? The label implies you can, at 40 or below?

Also, we weren't planning on buying a cot yet as we have bought the Miyo hammock instead of a Moses basket, which says is suitable for 6-9 months. Does anyone think we're being unwise to wait?

I think you'll be fine to wait utopian you might get a good one in the January sales and if you suddenly need one everyone does next day delivery these days

Flumpy2012 Tue 02-Oct-12 18:10:37

Utopian - I have a crib so I'm waiting to buy a cot too. I thought it would just be extra furniture and limit valuable space until its needed.

Thank you for hugs! I'm hoping the boob leaking means I'll have good supply but it probably doesn't.

Our GTT came back with high levels so off to diabetic clinic for us tomorrow - I swear I'm going to be like a colander at this rate the amount of needles we've had!

I'm sorry I've finished moaning now grin

Definitely not unwise to wait, I'm impatient but tbh I know the cot won't be used for at least 4-5 months. Glad you love the pram, I have tested it about 20 times in mothercare I don't think they thought I was ever going to buy it. I'm sure washing footmuff will be fine, they are quite tough.

Clarella Tue 02-Oct-12 18:14:21

Ok caught up!

Great news on car spotty!
Interview news pidg?

Re epidural/nct chat have to say our teacher had no views on pain what so ever other than to warn us the medical staff prefer not unless nec to due to what it can take to organise, (possibly cost too?). I think it depends where you are though. I think all her 'chill out' strategies are aimed at relaxing us to reduce pain and speed up delivery if poss neatly avoiding discussing the issue of MPP! Mind you with 2 gps and a cardiologist in the grp I think she'd get short shrift if she tries, and any mention of homeopathy.... well, she's been warned!

Ladygarden - a combo of shorts tankini bottoms and at the point of not giving a shit about spider legs has resulted in lack of pruning. Had a go the other day, def tricky! Thing is I've never had a lot down till recently and maybe I'm mega sensitive but it always itches and tickles for a week driving me nuts, is that what others have and just grin n bare it? I agree I'm only doing it for after care, don't care about being a hairy minge in room 4! Maybe ill dye it purple.

Arnica tables or Arnica cream best? I remember someone having an op once and raving about it for bruising. And anyone doing the raspberry leaf thing? When to start? Which brand best?

I now feel Blueberry (though more like a blueberry triple layered Victoria sponge now) constantly, every little wiggle. Yoga was decidedly tricky, I felt a bit fussy as I'm still holding it all in but that's the problem! Picking bits off the floor has been really hard today! Inversions however were really nice, I could hang around upside down for hours (well minutes grin ) hope it doesn't confuse him though.

I've got a cot from previous dcs but it's in my brothers loft still. We won't need it for a good few months so I didn't see much point in cluttering up the nursery. Also not bothering to buy a cot mattress until we need it. Saves a bit before baby comes.

Dd is still in the cot bed so ds definitely won't be getting in it for a while!

I think Arnica tablets Clarella, you won't be able to get the cream to the worst bruised bits! I am ridiculously hairy down there compared to normal, I really must do something about it but I just can't be bothered! Haven't shaved my legs for months weeks!

Clarella Tue 02-Oct-12 18:19:57

Prob know answer but we've been offered a Moses basket which a friends child ( now 2 and a bit) was only in for 6 weeks then out grew (and she had scans for measurung small! He was over 9lb) - its been in.their loft since, should we get new mattress? I'm thinking yes ....

Yes, mothercare do them for £8.99 or something

Clarella Tue 02-Oct-12 18:20:51

Thanks spotty!

Evening everyone, welcome interwebmum,

Flumpy, sounds like you are having a rotton time - I've got my glucose tolerance test on Friday, then flu jab and whooping cough vacination early next week. So we can be pin cushions together!

All the gardening talks made me giggle - I'm 31 weeks now and managed to sort myself out ok on the weekend, but its definitely harder. Am booking myself in for a full wax in November before LO is due on 2nd December.

I spoke to my midwife this morning about whooping cough vacines and she said that the press got hold of the information about the vacines before the department of health had rolled out all the supplies. So all these pregnant women hve been ringing up, only to be told that the vacine isn't ready! Crazy! Got my appointment for next week once the vaccines arrive.

PurplePidjin Tue 02-Oct-12 18:41:31

Didn't get the job, but close enough 2nd that they'd like to use me for holiday/sick cover. As it's a newly funded project, hopefully that'll lead to something in the future at a better time from my pov!

I have my old crib, was given a cot by a friend who's dc moved on, and have been offered 2 moses baskets. I am constantly gobsmacked by the generosity of people - thus morning i got a pm from an mner offering me her barely used cloth nappies as her dc potty trained just after she bought them shock Off the back of a random comment on an unrelated thread. True RAOK.

Wrt mattresses, always get new. They're not expensive and the SIDS risk is massively reduced.

Wrt whooping cough, I'm not convinced. There's a reason it's not safe for dc under 2m, and I'm deeply deeply cynical about why it's an issue right now and so suddenly...

Clarella Tue 02-Oct-12 18:49:35

Ah that sounds good pidg - definately reckon it will lead somewhere!

Yeah, think I knew answer to mattress q but thanks. I too can't believe how generous people are - a girl at yoga I've never spoken to but have about preg stuff since she clocked my belly around 20 wks (had baby last yr, did yoga to the end) stuck her email and no. on my water bottle last night with offers of baby bath, some other bits and an unused steriliser in its box - i actually didn't even know her name till she popped it on! Sadly I think I left the bottle in.the car, hoping DH hasnt done a water bottle clear out today....

emilyeggs Tue 02-Oct-12 19:16:12

Welcome interweb

My brain has gone to pot! Can't get my words out any more or explain myself sad it's getting embarrassing! Was reading through today's post and read one as saying "I love cock"! Made me laugh but now means I'm also reading all wrong..... Will I get my brain back?

Clarella Tue 02-Oct-12 19:18:04

Re whooping cough pidg - it's a world wide outbreak and a really major one here. It can be very horrid for baby and even cause long term issues. You could have it after baby is born to minimise infection to him but it is very contagious. Adult and child immunity wears off and we will have occasionally unknowingly caught it but suffer milder symptoms which tops us up. The jab gives us the vaccine and we brew the antibodies for 2 weeks to pass onto baby which will give some immunity for a little while. So our bodies sort of make it better and filter it rather than giving it to a wee newborn which would be harsh. I personally know of confirmed cases around me so will be getting it, plus my cousin was very ill with it as a baby in the 70s. This is the latest hpa report, and this
- there's other info on there too. You can weigh up the risks for yourself if you're unsure.

I am a very media sceptic person esp after reading 'bad science' by Ben Goldachre (sp?) but I think this is a bit different.

PurplePidjin Tue 02-Oct-12 19:29:23

I think my cynicism on this one stems from the fact that the paediatrician and senior midwife heard about it from me last week... And i got it from bbc breakfast that morning...

Maybe it's a bit more geographical than the media is broadcasting? I've heard nothing on local grapevines, nor from my gp surgery, but that might mean we haven't got it much here yet. Fwiw i haven't been offered a flu jab either, although i also haven't been to the doc since i collected my iron prescription, so might have missed a poster

HoneyMum21 Tue 02-Oct-12 19:36:53

I wasn't offered a flu jab but when i asked the receptionist she said it is recommended for pregnant women but they aren't necessarily called in for it like other 'at risk' groups are.

I also know at least two people who have whooping cough and have now had the effects for about 5 months but it took over 3 months for the dr to diagnose it as they aren't used to seeing it and the symptoms in adults are less severe than those in children.

I don't get invited for the flu jab either pidj and I've been having it for 13 years hmm

Clarella Tue 02-Oct-12 20:06:48

I too know a woman in her late 40's who has been extremely ill with it and some sort of post viral/bacteria thing. I only knew it was on the up in April / may from the hpa, which we'd (school) been told to look at for the slapped cheek stuff by the school nurse, and a report on the radio - think it had been big in Australia and America end of last year or something. I also heard about a big outbreak in Scotland (the woman I know is in stirling) in may on the news. There prob is an element of geographical risk about it but also things travel - my niece's school in York has had a load of cases since they went back Sept but not before.

It apparently was leaked to bbc before they were ready with vaccines etc but the health dept then had to issue a statement or risk extra panic.

issimma Tue 02-Oct-12 20:11:31

I agree with clarella. Am as cynical as they come, but will be having whooping cough jab (at my next check up, I assume). Have been invited for flu jab, but I didn't with DD - can't remember why not, but it involved Bad Science (the concept not the actual book). Must research.

monsterchild Tue 02-Oct-12 20:54:00

I just got my flu and pertussus (Dtap actually) at 28 weeks. the kids here who have died (and we're having an outbreak too) have apparently gotten WC from their moms. very sad!

Mummycox Tue 02-Oct-12 20:57:26

Welcome interweb!

Great news that they're using you as cover pidj...

Spotty hope the three things are done with now.

Had our first antenatal clinic tonight, one of three. It was ok. Hoping NCT is a little more in depth.

31 weeks! Hooray!

Secondsop Tue 02-Oct-12 22:40:43

Right, have come out of denial and placed a Mothercare order for some of the essential bits.

What does one wear during labour? If you have a c-section you have to change into a gown anyway so that they can access your back, don't you? Seems to me the ideal clothing would otherwise be some kind of nightie with short sleeves for access to arms for canula, but that buttons down part of the front for breast feeding and skin-to-skin contact.

That sounds about right secondsop I wore a hospital gown last time, they just gave it to me along with those fetching compression socks!

Scan and consultant this morning smile then physio this afternoon.....

issimma Wed 03-Oct-12 07:49:26

second I took 3 cheap nighties from primark to labour in - the long tshirt type. In the end, I couldn't be doing w clothes and delivered naked grin.

MyDaydream Wed 03-Oct-12 07:49:46

Great news about the job pidj.
seconds I'm planning on giving birth naked, it's how I'm most comfortable when I'm in pain. Ill probably take a big soft tshirt to wear if I get cold, and a nightie to change into once baby has been born.
Sounds like a busy day spotty, hope everything goes well.
I have my GTT today and DP forgot so is on his way to work. It's difficult to take my blood, my body doesn't give it up easily so I find it quite painful and need a hand to hold. They should have volunteers on standby for emergency hand holding, it's one of the only things I'm quite pathetic about pain wise really.

You need some magic cream MyDaydream!

Flumpy2012 Wed 03-Oct-12 09:53:37

My daydream - virtual hand hold. Hope it goes ok. I found the worst part drinking the lemon stuff.

Off to the diabetes clinic myself today as mine was high.

I was thinking men's shirts would be good for after labour. Button down, loose etc

X

Secondsop Wed 03-Oct-12 09:55:35

Hope all goes well with the GTT mydaydream. Is it at the phlebotomy department or antenatal? I have very tricky veins also and was glad to be at phlebotomy. I was dreading it but it was fine in the end - I had the same nurse for all 3 blood tests which helped a lot. She took my 28 week bloods and my alpha thalassemia bloods at the same time.

Secondsop Wed 03-Oct-12 09:57:16

Oh and thanks for all the labour clothing ideas. I might labour naked as well. That's how I like to sleep so I can imagine whipping off my carefully-chosen nightie in frustration partway through.

Waiting for my scan, they just did my flu jab

MyDaydream Wed 03-Oct-12 10:14:59

Magic cream is Savlon to me spotty, it's what DPs grandparents used to rub on if he hurt himself!
seconds it's in antenatal, although she didn't seem to have any trouble today.
* flumpy* good luck at the clinic.
Halfway through GTT and I feel like shit. I'm nauseous and feel all faint, sat outside on the floor for some fresh air. I just want to go home and go to bed now.

MyDaydream why don't you go and ask them if you can lay down? I think you should have someone keeping an eye on you. Hope you're ok have a bear to hug smile

issimma Wed 03-Oct-12 10:33:38

[tea] for daydreams spotty flumpy and anyone else I've missed who has scans/jabs/consultant/vampire sessions ahead.

Time is really dragging and I'm struggling to entertain toddler dd (at nursery this morning, phew).

issimma* dd likes it when I take all the cushions off the sofa for her. Hours of fun whilst I mn grin

Argh loud annoying people in the waiting room!

WeeJo08 Wed 03-Oct-12 11:18:42

Got appointment for WC jab next Tuesday, receptionist said if nurse has flu jab there she'll do them both at the same time - otherwise there's a flu jab clinic that Saturday I can go to, so I'm happy enough. Doctor said throat & cough thing is most probably viral and that glands were up and throat was inflamed - said it's being prolonged by acid reflux as that's burning my throat...more Gaviscon for me!! Oh well. Feel a bit better today but just so so tired! Finishing in 6 weeks and 2 days & today that feels like a looooooooooooong way away! When's everyone else finishing? Also, when it comes to hospital bags, what are you all bringing? Would it be totally precious of me to bring a (hand baggage sized) wheelie suitcase?

I managed to have a sneak peek yesterday at the birthing centre rooms as I was at the hospital anyway for acupuncture. I reeeeeeeeeeeally hope I stay low risk (and don't go overdue) & get to give birth there! Each room has a lovely wooden floor, double bed, flat screen TV(!), ensuite bathroom, birthing ball and chair thingy (not sure what that's for) and a birthing pool!!! Took some photos too for DH grin

MayDaydream Definitely speak to someone and ask if you can have a wee lie down. Hope you feel better soon.

Spotty Hope all goes well! I'm sure by now the baby is almost getting too big for the scan screen! A friend of mine had some later scans and said they could only see bits at a time!

Flumpy Hope it goes well for you too.

Flumpy2012 Wed 03-Oct-12 11:33:30

Hope it's all going ok for everyone else.
I'm still waiting. Does anything antenatal related actually run on time?!

Secondsop Wed 03-Oct-12 12:03:08

mydaydream definitely ask if you can lie down. I'm sure that is preferable from their point of view too rather than you being outside.

MyDaydream Wed 03-Oct-12 12:10:36

All done and I'm on my way home now. They gave me a bed and made me a cup of tea before I left to make sure I was fine. Going to get myself something yummy to eat with lots of cheese then go home to bed!
weejo I'm taking a wheely case just so DP only has to remember the case rather than a couple of different bags. We won't be driving to hospital though so we have nowhere to leave things until later, it comes with or I don't have it.

issimma Wed 03-Oct-12 12:15:23

I had a smaller bag for labour/birth (including nappy and babygro, woohoo!), and then a wheelie suitcase for hospital with embarassing non-necessary things like a rattle in case baby got bored!!. There's not much space by the bed, so I'm trying to pack light this time, but will still need the wheelie suitcase.
spotty That's this afternoon planned grin

Scan all done grin yep can only see bits of the baby but they always do a close up of the face for me. Estimated 2lb13 head circumference 27cm shock

Glad you're feeling better MyDaydream

Flumpy they always run late costs me £2.60 in parking every time I go!

Just back from the local sling meet, very informative and i'm really glad i went before buying anything. Personally a mei-tai (sp?) came out on top - simple to tie, both shoulders and DH could probably bring himself to wear it too (thinking i'll make a black or a tweed one - avoiding the hippy look and saving £££ too). did someone (pidjin maybe?) link to a make your own mei-tai ages ago or am i dreaming it??

i'd been toying with the idea of a maternity coat too but haven't been able to justify the expense for the amount of use i'd get out of it pre december but the sling lady mentioned they're great for 'baby wearing' after pregnancy so more use. justification for shopping, goodie grin

PurplePidjin Wed 03-Oct-12 13:43:04

www.sleepingbaby.net/jan/Baby/asian.html

smile

Bought sposies today to cope with meconium. I think that's pretty much everything for hospital now, just want a rucksack to put baby bits in (will be nappy bag after) and snacks/drinks. My friend took 6 bottles of lucozade in with her and reckons she could have drunk another 6 on top!

Stacks Wed 03-Oct-12 13:50:10

Afternoon everyone. I'm tired and sore today after swim-yoga last night, I must have overdone it on some of the hip exercises. Hopefully it'll pass soon.

I was wondering, is anyone else getting kicks/punches down there? It feels like bean is trying to pummel my cervix into submission. It's not constant or particularly worrying, but it is very uncomfortable, and obviously caused by a kick/punch. I'm wondering though if this means baby is maybe feet down? Even though midwife told me he was head down at last appointment.

Walnut8 Wed 03-Oct-12 14:04:33

Yes stacks, I'm getting something down there (punches? elbows?). Sometimes takes my breath away! Also getting BH very regularly. I hope that means my uterus is getting lots of practice.

It's getting warmer here where I live and my feet are starting to swell. So annoying! GTT came back normal, despite weight gain and huge belly. Even my specialist commented on how much I had popped out already and did an impromptu growth scan (have a proper one booked for 32 weeks). Head is measuring 50th centile, legs and belly at the 75th. So I guess it's just my stomach muscles that have given up!

We are not advised here to have the WC vax, which is interesting. DH and other close family members highly recommended but not me until after the birth. WC rates high at the moment where I live and sounds very scary.

I took two small wheelie suitcases the first time. I lived 40 mins from the hospital, so wanted to have everything with me.

Secondsop Wed 03-Oct-12 14:20:50

stacks I've had kicks in that area almost since I could feel movements. Worst was during an internal exam when the speculum was still in situ sad

FriendofDorothy Wed 03-Oct-12 14:54:26

I have just been for my flu jab, will have the whooping cough vaccination in a couple of weeks at my appointment. Think it's a bit of a no-brainer really in terms of risk, unless there are very clear reasons why you shouldn't have the vaccination!

knottyhair Wed 03-Oct-12 15:03:56

Got my whooping cough vaccination booked in for next week, and flu jab for a couple of weeks after. The consultant at the hospital advised leaving a couple of weeks between the jabs.

Stacks Wed 03-Oct-12 15:32:53

Hopefully that means bean isn't feet down then, and that they're just capable of some remarkably strong punches...

Secondsop Wed 03-Oct-12 15:35:19

stacks my boy is head down and I still get them. I guess he's an arm-waver. He certainly has his hands over his face whenever a sonographer tries to get a good look at it.

Saphiesgirl Wed 03-Oct-12 15:48:10

Hi interweb mum!
I've had another day off today, drove half hour to work, slipped on wet floor and promptly drove home to get checked out. Landed on hands and knees, but got fright and baby didn't move for hour and half combined with regular contractions had a bit of a freak out. All fine, dr checked me over and baby moving, contractions stopped. Now feel a bit silly for panicking but just want to get through next 9 weeks in one piece. Supposed to finish work six weeks time but it can't come soonenough.

All good here now, naps make most things seem better! Hope everyone else's aches and pains doing ok.

S

HoneyMum21 Wed 03-Oct-12 15:54:39

Grrrr. Just spent some time with my mum (who is suprisingly uninterested in the pregnancy considering this is her first GC) who said 'are you still thinking about having an epidural' me 'what?' mum 'i was talking to my friend who said her daughter has a friend who had an epidural and she got awful backache afterwards.' me 'um, ok' mum'so are you going to have one? because i think it's a bad idea'.

I think she got confused between an epidural and a c-section. (obviously the latter comes with the former or a version of) I had mentioned i was discussing a cs with the dr and she turned her nose up then and asked why on earth i would want to do that and did i not realise it wasn't an 'easy option'.
Yes mother, i'm planning on having surgery just because it is an 'easy option' but now you've told me i might end up with backache i've changed my mind. WRONG. I'm probably having a CS because it is the best option for my baby and for me and if she bothered asking what the reasons behind it were maybe she'd realise that there is nothing easy about it or about making the decision to have one or feeling like a massive f* up because having surgery is the best for my son rather than me being able to give birth naturally.

Sorry,probablymade very little sense but she's really upset me. And she couldn't even get her facts straight before launching into this. I could have ended up having an epidural with a natural birth but i bet then she wouldn't have had the same issues with it.

Secondsop Wed 03-Oct-12 16:10:43

Honey I feel your pain; I think mums don't always realise that it was quite a long time since they did this so things have changed a fair bit especially in terms of options available for the handling of labour.

monsterchild Wed 03-Oct-12 16:14:12

Honey your DM sounds like mine. Just bizarre scrambly facts thrown at me with judgement stuck to them.

My Dm has been giving me LOADS of strange advice. This from a person who raised 6 children and has 10 GCs. It's incredible that she is telling me things that SHE didn't do. Like move the baby to the hallway as soon as possible (6 weeks!?!) so he won't hear me breathing?
I know she didn't do this as I was born in a tiny house and my DF has said I slept in their room for almost a year. Maybe I was a lot of trouble?

And don't get me startedon the weird birth stuff. She thinks getting in a tub of water (Like the nice jacuzzi they have at the LD ward) is bad for the baby as it will be too hot. When I pointed out the hospital most likely won't have it at 104 degrees F, she didn't seem to hear.

So you're not alone with the madness of moms!

Thanks for the link pidjin looks like i've got me some work to do smile.

honey i feel your pain, I now try to just smile through gritted teeth sweetly, nod and ignore.

PurplePidjin Wed 03-Oct-12 16:34:13

www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/hello-stranger-on-the-street-could-you-please-tell-me-how-to-take-care-of-my-baby

This might make a few folk chuckle, and could equally be applied to interfering relatives...

HoneyMum21 Wed 03-Oct-12 16:38:20

Hehehe 'can they play with tigers?' Thanks Pid

My friend has given me a massive box of maternity pads/breast pads/lansinoh just need the pushchair and Moses basket mattress now!

My step mum is still trying to give me vintage clothes that belonged to my now 15 year old brother hmm it's very kind of her but it'll just end up taking up space which I don't have!

Clarella Wed 03-Oct-12 18:39:34

My goodness Saphie, scary stuff hope you're ok?

Sorry to hear about nasty gtts.

honeymum sorry to hear about the conversation with your mum, she does sound a bit confused. Thing is, any one of us may end up with a cs and I must admit it was for some reason heart warming to see the OBEM midwife giving birth who ended up needing stronger pain relief (can't remember what). You've definitely made the right informed choice for you and you don't need to justify it. From what I can make out feeling like you own and are as much in control if your labour and birth experience as possible (obv sadly not always possible) helps the whole thing go much more smoothly plus how we feel afterwards.

My own mum went into labour a bit early with me and they wanted me out pdq for some reason so it was epidural and forceps - but it only worked on one side bless her so doesn't seem to have any thoughts on my labour other than it's in hospital and I 'make sure I wear slippers cos lowers risk of catching nasty bugs.' hmm she also commented on the extra scan last week 'is that safe to have extra scans'..... argh! We did grow up with tonnes of animals, chickens and constantly falling off horses, being allowed to do target practice with my dad's air rifle (before there was an amnesty) playing at local farms and she questions my foot health??

Shes currently rewriting her diaries, got up to my birth last Xmas and eagerly showed it to me. I'm not even writing one diary let along redoing what I've already written ffs!

Friend dropped off brio bedside cot today! grin in exchange for cake.

Looove idea of tweed mai tei!

kate2boysandabump Wed 03-Oct-12 19:08:55

My Mum is quite different to yours Honey, she's always been very supportive of my choices. Except if she thinks I'm being completely unreasonable, in which case she'll tell me and has done in the past and is usually right blush I do suspect she thinks I'm mad for having had 2 babies without an epidural, which was her drug of choice for me and my brother. Do you think she was talking about an epidural headache?

It's my MIL who often comes out with slightly odd things. She's lovely and very supportive, but can come out with strange things sometimes. She still finds it shocking that I haven't given birth flat on my back with my feet on the midwives hips hmm

I wish as women, we could be more respectful of each others choices, for me labour and delivery have been manageable, who am I to say that the woman next to me isn't really struggling? How would I know? It's not my labour. Surely the idea is a good outcome all round? A CS isn't my choice, but I'm not going to say that it isn't a valid choice for others.

Clarella My brother was born early with forceps and an epidural that only sort of worked too.

Saphie How scary, hope you are OK?

Pidj grin and well done on the job.

HoneyMum21 Wed 03-Oct-12 19:31:34

Thanks for the calming words everyone - i've calmed down a bit. I think she just doesn't understand but yet she hasn't bothered asking me about it either. Plus her confusion between CS/epidural just reinforces that she hasn't actually bothered to find out any info - she's ust working on the scenario she's built up in her head.

Flumpy2012 Wed 03-Oct-12 20:10:54

Saphie - so glad all is ok. Completely agree that naps are wonderful.

Honey - my mum is a nightmare. The most recent thing being that I've ruined her experience as a first time GP because I've got everything (mostly donated) and there's nothing left for her to buy. Apparently I wasn't enthusiastic enough about her knitting something. She originally talked about being at birth and then announce it would be too stressful to get here (she lives 120 miles away)
Her and my dad are coming this weekend and I'm dreading it!

To be fair I think she is having her change and also your children having children is hard because it's a huge part of them moving on and realisation that their child bearing years are over.

I am soo emotional. I feel totally needy and cry at literally everything. I'm missing XP and he's being so lovely and I keep wondering what if. When he's here all I want to do is curl up and tell him all my irrational fears and sob but I have resisted for fear of pushing him away. Although he's done lots of hand holding and hugs in difficult moments recently. Oh god I bloody miss him!!!
I wish baby was here for cuddles or him. Being alone when pregnant is rubbish!

I'm worried about the gap between vaccinations, I'm having both together tomorrow!

Saphiesgirl Wed 03-Oct-12 21:12:25

Thanks for the well wishes folks, still sore but much calmer!

Mums as a whole find it difficult not to reflect on their own birth experiences. It's such a huge thing for all of us, but incredibly frustrating when your own doesn't get it. Honey- your priority for a healthy mum and baby is the best one and I hope she can eventually support you.

Flumpy- cant imagine what you're going through, hope you're hanging in there.

S

PurplePidjin Wed 03-Oct-12 21:16:42

We're just in from our first ante-natal class (NHS). Very reassuring, lots of "this could happen, you might choose that option, you'll be consulting if x needs doing" smile

pmgkt Wed 03-Oct-12 21:47:46

I need to get a grip, in the last 2 days I have eaten 3 packets of jaffa cakes all to myself. I so promised myself that I would be good this time around.

Mmmm Jaffa cakes! I like them kept in the fridge grin

Queenofsiburbia Thu 04-Oct-12 07:09:21

Went to NCT last night & it started at just gone 7 but didn't finish til nearly 10. Was abit shock as hadn't eaten!
All very useful & not too much of 'let's enjoy the birth experience!'

I'm feeling the annoyance with DMs but mine is with my DH, after the class last night.
He spent whole night pulling horrified faces when anything remotely bodily related came up (ok some of the pics were pretty graphic!) then when we left, all the way home didn't stop going on about how traumatic he had found it & how awful it was going to be for him.
Didn't occur to him that I might also have found some of the info abit scary/ daunting (like average length of active labour etc!) & could have done with some reassurance.

So irritating especially when he's a farmer and deals with it all the time with cattle & sheep. Apparently it's different with humans & because it's me hmm just seems like attention seeking

I made decision for him not to be at birth. I'd rather just have midwives i dont know than someone spending whole time telling me how rubbish they feel & how hard they find it.
Probably I'll change my mind but just feel so sick of him & his inability to put himself in my shoes. Or even just knowing when to shut the f up.

Rant over. Gosh it's early for a rant, sorry!

PurplePidjin Thu 04-Oct-12 07:31:26

Queen, you're under no obligation to have him there - dp and i have discussed similar stuff, because our only big arguments have come when I'm under pressure and he's worried about me (prime example being when i sliced half the top of my finger off, was sitting on the floor with hand in peas trying not to pass out, we argued because neither of us knew whether to call an ambulance/go to a+e/treat at home!) we're looking at strategies to keep him in control - massage, music, tens machine, drink offering are the ones we've got so far - but that's down to his attitude. Any hint of him sounding stroppy and he'll be out till i start crowning or I'll gaffa tape his mouth shut

It's because they're scared and can't control things. And because of how much they love us <<hug>>

Stacks Thu 04-Oct-12 07:57:25

Queen maybe have a chat with your DH and ask him if he realises how selfish he sounded last night. Give him a way out, by saying something like "I'm sure you didn't mean to, but our conversation last night about the birth was very focused on you and your feelings, and though its important you are honest with me, it came across as quite selfish. Please remember I'm worried about this too, and though you won't enjoy seeing me in pain, I also won't enjoy benign in pain..."

It is good that he's told you his fears about the birth. You don't want it all to come out on the day when you won't be able to handle it alongside the labour. Maybe remind him he doesn't have to see the 'business end' as things are happening, but what you'll need at the birth is a scale and supportive partner who can keep you calm. If he honestly doesn't think he can do that, then now is maybe a good time for you to start thinking about family, friends, or a doula who can be with you.

Morning everyone else smile

I also had my first nct class last night, though our teacher has a strict finish on time policy. There are also microwaves available to make yourself food before the start of class. I thought our teacher talked a bit much, and looked a bit new age. However, it was interesting enough session, mostly just a 'get to know each other' chat and a discussion about the things you do and don't want to cover in the remaining classes.

MaMaPo Thu 04-Oct-12 08:14:13

Everyone seems to be in NCT/antenatal mode! We had our second last night. My husband's stupid work really interfered (his boss kept sending texts and emails he had to respond to) so he was a bit distracted, but overall he did well I think! It was a good class which seemed really balanced - and no mention of homeopathy, hooray!

One thing we did last night which I really liked was that the birth partners (mostly men) and the mothers separated and made a list of 'what the birth partner should do during the birth', then we came together and compared. It did two things - made mums feel confident because the lists were largely the same, and also made the mums realise the expectations being placed on the birth partner. I thought it was really helpful. Then there was loads of detail about labour. sounds like fun

Off to pregnancy yoga tonight (no rest for the wicked!). Hopefully it's a good class and I can sign up for the rest of the 8-week course. I've tried a couple of classes but none have been quite right.

Re: our mothers and old-fashioned ideas - do any of the hospitals run 'grandparent groups'? When my sister had her first baby, my mother went to an info evening at her hospital and I went too as my dad couldn't make it. In it, the midwife was very upfront that a lot of the knowledge and best practice has changed since people gave birth in the 60s/70s/80s, and then proceeded to give an outline of it. It went along the lines of 'we don't do X anymore - don't tell your daughter/in law she should be doing it'. My mother found it very helpful and it sounds like some of your mums need it too!

Queenofsiburbia Thu 04-Oct-12 08:29:36

Thank you everyone for really helpful advice. stacks I know you're right about calm rational conversation and will have that I think, just the way you suggested I'm just angry because my mother & sis are too far away to be there so I had wanted him to be there.
Plus I 'nursed' him through an operation last year which also had its gruesome bits & was patient & sympathetic (& hoping to get it back in spades!).
pidj glad it's not just us that have silly arguments at worst moments! Hope you found the end of your finger...

Those granny courses sound amazing! What an absolutely brilliant idea! I'm going to see if there's any at my hospital!

mama I'm off to pregnancy yoga tonight too! still swimming everyday also as am totally addicted to the weightlessness.

Going to get the pacapod mirano changing bag. It's an investment!!<justifies>

Queenofsiburbia Thu 04-Oct-12 08:32:35

... Should be a full stop after 'suggested'
grin

Clarella Thu 04-Oct-12 08:35:44

Queen, I second what the others say. Remember there's nothing that says you have to have him there, some couples decide its better not to be and a dear friend (40+1 today!) has stipulated that if anything has to be done down there, DH is kept firmly near her head, she just feels its better that way. Probably the important thing is that you start discussing it openly and practically now, if it means starting discussions from a point where he's not there that's ok and letting it evolve from there - probably towards him slowly feeling more useful etc.

It could be that he's so used to seeing the whole delivery and management of farm animals as so much a part if his business, decisions and his involvement in deliveries are more automatic and taken from a managers pov (plus animal welfare etc) that it is actually more alien but also too close to home iykwim? He's also used to being in charge and in control but probably realised how he much he doesn't know about it all last night! Not making my self very clear and don't want to make excuses for him!

See how the next class goes, cos ours seemed to focus on how partners can support and be supportive and how that will help things, getting oxytocin going etc. DH seemed more confident about what his role might be. First session for us was graphic too! Maybe even contact the teacher quietly for advice if you feel you can talk to her?

Barbeasty Thu 04-Oct-12 08:38:55

I'm another doing lots of reading but not managing to post!

Queen last time, the only thing DH wanted in my birth plan was for him to be told when to leave the room so he didn't have to see the actual birth. In the end he was more traumatised by the whole thing than I was, but then he had to watch as they put a (reportedly huge) needle in my spine as I was prepared for surgery.

I think it can be a bit abstract for them and seeing the pictures probably made it seem very real. And if you were both hungry....!

Nothing wrong with planning for him not to be there, or maybe plan to play it by ear. Chances are he'll end up swept up by the emotion, but your midwife will soon throw him out if he's unhelpful.

My NCT class is in a church hall to one side of a church, which has another hall the other side. I think the highlight on Saturday was when an old man wandered in with a briefcase of stamps, saw a room full of women on birthing balls being masaged by their partners, muttered something about looking for the stamp convention and fled!

The course has been really good so far, really factual and presenting options rather than steering us down a particular route iyswim, and I wish I'd done them last time to be honest. And no issue going on my own.

I'm off to see the doctor later this morning as I think I'm getting SPD. I woke up on Sunday with really painful hips and lower back. It gradually got better and then yesterday was agony. Just in the one hip, but I could nearly put any weight on it and couldn't move it forwards as the leading step if that makes sense. I worked from home, so rested it well, and it feels better again today but not right and I can feel that I'm holding my hips at a bizarre angle to walk.

Finally had confirmation of when I finish work etc (they got very confused because I work full time hours condensed into a 4 day week) and 7 weeks today will be my first day off. If I had been able to walk I would have printed off October and November from my work outlook calendar to cross off the days!

When I was in labour I really didn't pay any attention to dp except when I wanted a drink or Vaseline put on my lips!

JoJoB77 Thu 04-Oct-12 10:04:24

Morning all

Not caught up properly as am so tired today sad DD is going thru an early wake up phase (4am) for the last two mornings & im shattered. Poor DH is out working a very physical job & im floundering on the sofa while DD is playing. Where do they get all their energy?

Sorry for moan.

I had doc check yesterday, i had flu jab while there but am reserving judgement on the whopping cough jab until ive done more research. He also found a trace of protein in my wee so ive got to take another sample to be checked. Im refraining from scaring myself by googling but im hoping its just a low grade infection...

Hope everyone is well smile

Flumpy2012 Thu 04-Oct-12 10:34:04

Hope everyone is ok.

Sorry to hear of unsupportive mums and DP's.

I'm still a totally weepy hormonal mess!

Off for flu, whooping cough and b12 then I'm coming back to get into my pjs and go back to bed!!

minipie Thu 04-Oct-12 10:44:53

Morning everyone. Can't believe some of you are on antenatal classes already! Ours aren't till middle and end of November (oops, that means the last one is only 10 days before my due date ... )

Mums eh... mine is supportive and we get on v well, but she does have a tendency to (a) assume everything will be the same for me as it was for her (b) rose tint her own experience and (c) mistrust any form of conventional medicine. She didn't want me to have the flu jab or the whooping cough jab, had a bit of an argument over those.

Just booked flu jab, if the nurse has the whooping cough vac there she'll prob give me that too.

Have spent all morning in the bath. I'm just sooo uncomfy all the time sad would really like to fast forward to dec!

Sorry I haven't kept up much I hope everyone is ok!

Secondsop Thu 04-Oct-12 11:04:35

Morning all. queen sorry to hear about the business with your husband. But maybe it's a good thing that this has come out now rather than him suddenly being a nightmare at birth. As others have said, a calm conversation with him sounds like a good idea so that you can decide whether you want him in the room with you or not. I wonder if he too thought he'd cope better with going through the graphic reality of it than he actually did. I know that when I go into labour, if my husband has even a tiny bit of jokiness when I'm struggling or in pain ( like some of the partners on OBEM) then I'm definitely not going to handle it well, so I'm hoping that our NCT classes ( which also aren't till very near my due date eek) will give us the chance to thrash all this out in advance.

I felt the baby hiccuping for the first time this morning! Although, as another example of "things grandmas dont get" my poor mum went off into a tailspin of panic when I told her because she didn't realise it was entirely normal.

kate2boysandabump Thu 04-Oct-12 11:20:59

Wow, it's ante-natal class time already. I remember ours with ds1 really clearly, one week there was an England football match and most of the dad's didn't turn up and the mom's came with their own mom's shock My poor dh dutifully came. Maybe you should take our own mom's too, so they get a bit more of a clue grin I remember my best friend's mom being really shocked I wouldn't be getting an enema, a full shave or a routine episiotomy hmm Glad I wasn't giving birth in the 70's.

Queen I think your dh needs a good talking to. Has he got a friend he can talk to about it? My SIL was worried my brother would be useless while she was in labour, so my dh talked to him about it. He's really squeamish, but managed to stay for everything except her having an epidural. Made it through the EMCS and everything.

My DH on the other hand, got right into the swing of it. He was practically the midwife's assistant when I had ds1, passing her anything she needed and getting a good look at everything. He does always stay by my head from crowning onwards though. I do love having him there, he always stands up for me and is very supportive, I would hate to have to do it without him smile

Grandparents groups sound great!! I would definitely send my MIL, my own mom would just believe what I told her.

I went to Harvest Festival at the boys school this morning and have now had to come home to bed. It was so hot in the hall, at one point my friend started to fan me. My dad is going to pick up the boys and I am having a rest for the day. At least I'll get a chance to catch up on some knitting.

MyDaydream Thu 04-Oct-12 11:22:28

Sorry to hear your DH isn't being so great queen. Maybe he'll be better at the time when he's in the moment and you actually are in labour. I think looking at pictures would freak my DP out a lot more than just being there.
* stacey* I'm a bit jealous you've spent all morning in the bath, it makes me go to sleep so can't spend too long in. I'm so uncomfortable though, I really miss being able to move around easily without discomfort.
I'm so thankful my mum just listens and lets me get on with things. She asks lots of questions to make me think my choices through but would never give me her opinions. She's great at sitting back and waiting to be asked for opinions and help. My grandma was overbearing and disapproving of everything she didn't agree with, so my mum has gone totally the other way.

2blessed Thu 04-Oct-12 11:53:28

Morning All,
Echoing other posters queen, you may be able to have a calmer conversation with your DH today about your feelings.
I've got another few weeks before my antenatal classes start. I have a 6 hour (in one go!) labour workshop to look forward to.
Think I really need to start swimming this week, really feeling all these fruit and veg crisps and cakes adding to my weight. Off to find a cossie!
Went to bed at 8 last night! Don't feel any better for it this morning though...
Also after reading through the thread am feeling really unprepared. Was supposed to be strating to pack my hospital bag this week but all I've done is continue to unpack boxes. Maybe a trip to ikea on the weekend will help

issimma Thu 04-Oct-12 12:03:46

Our NCT classes were fab - we had a very down-to-earth leader who told us pain relief was there for a reason, and presented formula feeding as just one of many choices mums have to make. No judgy pants or new age shizz. I still regularly see some of the mums two years later although there was a bitchy crew there too.

As for granny courses, my granny told DM that labour didn't hurt. You might have a little bit of tummy ache, but then the baby just pops out, and that far too many women make a fuss about nothing! grin

HoneyMum21 Thu 04-Oct-12 12:05:44

Started painting bump's room this morning. smile even somehow managed to fit into my pre-preg painting jeans confused. Not sure how!

PurplePidjin Thu 04-Oct-12 12:05:58

gringringrin heartbeat all normal gringringrin

grin for painting honey

And even bigger grin for normal heartbeat pidj

HoneyMum21 Thu 04-Oct-12 12:12:29

Yay pidj grin

Secondsop Thu 04-Oct-12 12:25:23

Great news purplepidj

Equimum Thu 04-Oct-12 12:40:55

great news Pidj

minipie really glad to hear that someone else's classes aren't until November - was beginning to think we'd left it ridiculouly late (even though that was the advice from NCT woman).

Queen sorry to hear your DH is being so unsupportive. Hope things improve.

Got a honecall from the midwife today to say that I'm low on iron, so have to start iron tablets tomorrow. Can't help feeling I've been eating a rubbish diet and this is my fault, and that I've done the baby some damage. Irational, I know, but it keeps crossing my mind!

PurplePidjin Thu 04-Oct-12 12:58:51

Equimum, i eat the same as dp (albeit in smaller quantities) and he's in peak fitness - cycles 12 miles a day, runs 20 miles a week. He's training to run London to Brighton next year. I've been on iron tabs for a month now, so it's bugger all to do with diet! Minimise your tea intake as tannin inhibits iron uptake, and stock up on green leafies and OJ smile

In other news, a man came this morning and bought all the furniture from my spare room. Let the carpet-ripping commence! New ones go in next week <stocks up on gaviscon for all the bending>

We were one of the latest in our class - dd 30/11 - the others were nearly all early Dec. So i assume, with nhs ones at least, Nov dd's get Oct classes...

kate2boysandabump Thu 04-Oct-12 13:11:36

Great news Pidj grin grin grin

WeeJo08 Thu 04-Oct-12 13:18:53

Great news pidj - isn't it amazing how much joy the word "normal" can bring us!! smile

Equimum & minipie Our classes are't until November either (NHS ones) - we've got them on 7th, 14th, 21st and 28th, so finishing at 38+2!! Eeeek!

Also, equimum try not to worry about the iron results. My booking in bloods were apparently "excellent" on the iron front (according to my MW) who said I "must have an excellent diet". Oh how I laughed at that - I wanted to say yes, if an excellent diet is one of copious amounts of white pasta, cheese, chocolate and roughly the same portion sizes as my six foot husband, then I do indeed have an excellent diet! Of course I smiled modestly and said "Well, I try my best." I genuinely don't think that diet is the only thing that affects your iron levels otherwise I'd be buggered.

WeeJo08 Thu 04-Oct-12 13:22:35

Oh yes, and I forgot to mention, I think we're buying our sling tonight! Yay! Mamas and Papas have a sale on and have done a price match on the one that we want so it's the same price as on Amazon grin We're going to use the voucher I got for my birthday (think I mentioned it the other day) I may use the rest of it for a totally non practical something cute smile Plus my Mum is picking up our pram in the morning! Woop! grin

I used Deep Heat, Gaviscon and paracetamol last night & slept really well, so apologies if I am a teensy bit hyper. blush

Great news pidj!

I'm grumpy today because stupid girl at work is off for the second day this week with a cold. A cold?! Try being pregnant/diabetic/having a progressive neurological disorder/car crash/bruised sternum oh yes that's me and I've had one day off sick in six years angryangryangry

Anyway I have been reading all your stories on NCT classes etc it's getting close now isn't it? Make the most of the special time with your bump you forget what it's like so quickly. Baby kicking is like your own little secret isn't it?!

Queenofsiburbia Thu 04-Oct-12 14:36:34

Thanks guys! As always a brilliant source of help & sympathy. I will be having a ' good sit down & chat' later & using all the things everyone has suggested. Poor DH, if he only knew what was going to hit him!

Very pleased about heartbeat news pidj!
spitty I think it's time to even up those figures & have a few days off pre maternity leave! You sound like a saint!
Having said that it drives me mad if first person at work to get a cold doesn't just stay at home rather than sniffling & doing sweet fa all day apart from spread the lurgy to everyone else.
But then if I end up doing their work I feel differently ;)

Queenofsiburbia Thu 04-Oct-12 14:37:30

Is it ok to keep blaming phone for my stupid typos?

Sorry spotty.....

emilyeggs Thu 04-Oct-12 16:08:51

angryangryangry a customer came up to me and patted my belly and said "hello baby"!! I wasn't even talking to her and she made no eye contact with me! She just walked off angryangryangry

HoneyMum21 Thu 04-Oct-12 16:29:02

I think that gives you the right to kill her emily

Let us know how you get on Queen I really think most men don't think about things as deeply as us and he probably has no idea how he's made you feel!

That's the thing when she's not in I have to do her work which means I'm now behind on mine but she won't have any catching up to do when she comes back whereas if I have time off all my work is waiting for me!

Oh emily you should have told her you're only three months it's mainly constipation wink

Flumpy2012 Thu 04-Oct-12 16:45:37

Emilyeggs - angry not public property!!

Spotty - angry count the days until mat leave!

Hope everyone else is ok.

All jabs ok, just an achey arm. Have slept nearly all afternoon!! Feel slightly less emotional for it though which is good smile

NCT not until november here either! Friend gave me some notes though - anyone else heard of this vitamin K thing?

MyDaydream Thu 04-Oct-12 16:46:09

pidj that's great news about the heartbeat.
emily how awful of her, I've still only had one toucher and that was a weird friend of DP when there wasn't even bump just food podge.
I'm all full of milk, I just can't get enough of it today. Growing some big strong bones I think. I got a great video of my belly jiggling from some super strong kicks this morning, can't wait to show DP.

Nine days until maternity leave!! (I only do two days a week wink)

Glad you're feeling better Flumpy smile

Queenofsiburbia Thu 04-Oct-12 16:55:58

ROFL at spotty's retort to wierd feely lady!!!!
Had me in stitches!Definitely going to say that to some Poe unsuspecting friend.

Spotty it's true about most men although my DH is kind of renowned for his lack of sympathy and selfish outlook. He had a nickname relating to it (from male friends!) at university which I can't share as I might out us both.

He is also kind and funny etc & has lots & lots of amazing & brilliant points and no doubt his selfishness explains why he has been so successful with his own company. But still hmm !

Btw, most people in my NCT class were much further on than me. My DD was last. So don't worry I think they just fitted me on that one in case I'm early or something confused

Clarella Thu 04-Oct-12 17:55:42

Brilliant news pidg!

Re nct starting early - yep technically I'm a Nov edd hmm

Shocking Emily. It will probably never happen again sadly or you will be more prepared with the constipation quip or even pat her on the bottom and say 'hello cake!'

Was mega chuffed that lovely young cobbler in town couldn't put new zip in cankled boots as inside edging bits were pvc despite rest being leather, but did just give the zipper a little wack with his hammer and voila! Fixed! The zipper had just parted a little so it didn't squash the teeth properly smile no charge smile

Also got a few more baby grows, breast pads and some lano thingy etc - maternity bag is beginning to take shape!

kate2boysandabump Thu 04-Oct-12 18:38:26

Good news about your boots Clarella A freebie is always welcome.

Flumpy Vitamin K is offered to all newborns to prevent blood clotting disorders. Ask your midwife and she'll be able to tell you more, there might even be something in you maternity notes. My first 2 had it and this one will be too, better safe than sorry.

Really angry on your behalf emily Why is it I can only think of suitable retorts hours after the event?

Barbeasty Thu 04-Oct-12 18:57:56

Our NCT branch have 1.5 months of due dates on each course, and the split here is mid December. Although we have 1 woman due 23rd, me and then the rest are late Nov. If I'd done the refresher course it started next month.

Well the Dr was useless. Apparently SPD is just something we women have to put up with as there's nothing they can do. I think I'll wait and see the midwife unless it gets bad again in the meantime, then I'll see a different Dr!

But I am booked to have the whooping cough jab on Monday.

Great news about the heartbeat Pidj.

FriendofDorothy Thu 04-Oct-12 19:54:36

SPD isn't something you have to put up with. Ask your midwife for a physio referral. I have been diagnosed with Pelvic Girdle Pain and they hare giving me a brace and physio to help.

So pissed off!! angry sorry ladies need to rant!

I'm majorly uncomfy and have had 2 baths today as its the only time I don't ache. DH had to stop at his mums as something was wrong with her DVD player. He came back pissed off because she'd asked him what he wanted for his birthday and he'd said money. Now we're not skint but with me being unable to work regular hours ATM things are tighter than normal. But there's nothing he wants/needs so cash would be best. So she's gone off on one about how we shouldnt be bringing a baby into the world right now! angry for a start of it wasn't for baby I would still be working and second I love this little thing do much someone insinuating it shouldn't be here is more than I can take right now! Then she started off that we need to move somewhere cheaper hmm all the time still telling us that our house is too small (normal 3 bed semi). Our house is about the cheapest in a 5 mile radius unless I feel the need to live in new addington or central croydon. Which I would not choose over being here!

I'm just so so angry that she feels the need to look down on us. It doesn't help that bil and SIL who are also expecting are mega rich, so she tries comparing us to them. If we were to wait until we had their money we'd be dead before we had a baby!

Sorry again for the rant! Been in tears twice over this since 7pm!!

Oh stacey try to ignore her what a horrible thing to say! She obviously has nothing better to do than judge you for no reason.

My hip is agony tonight I can't even walk been laying in bed for an hour already. Maybe I will call in sick tomorrow wink

HoneyMum21 Thu 04-Oct-12 20:21:14

stacey sorry you're having such a rotten time of it. Would tucking yourself in with lots of pillows and hot water bottles help with your aching?

As for yor MIL, I'm not suprised you're angry. The only right time to ever bring a child into the world is when it is wanted as much as your LO clearly is. If we were waiting till we had what is deemed enough money to bring up a child we'd be dead first. Whereas by brother and SIL have plenty of money but cant get pregnant. There isn't a perfect time but as long as baby is wanted then that's the main thing. And if se would rather buy your DH something he doesn't want/need when he's told her what would be helpful then shes just being petty.

itsMYNutella Thu 04-Oct-12 20:31:43

Stacey that is mean and downright rude! What an awful thing to say! Hope your DH had suitable words with her about it!!!
Honey is totally right - there is never a perfect time! and you can't always plan life so easily. We would be better off if I weren't pregnant because I too would be able to work more but we have three close relatives with no children (DP's two older brothers and his lovely cousin) and I'm pretty sure they would all willingly give up a decent chunk of what they do have for a baby.
Your MIL's silly mean comments don't help anyone! So angry and sad on your behalf!

Spotty I hope your hip feels better by sunday I think that if you rest it tomorrow (at home in bed) and then have the weekend to move gently that will do you the world of good smile

emilyeggs Thu 04-Oct-12 20:44:30

What a cow stacey! My DH and I don't have much money but I'm 33 and personally don't want to wait any longer, just concentrate on the little person you are growing smile

spotty sorry to hear you (and others) are in pain, I've got to the point now where it's painful to lay down for to long and my feet hurt stood at work all day.... Still, mat leave at the end if next month so just trying to get to that.

Hope all are as well as to be expected....i'm gonna stay behind my counter from know on to save another bump patting gate grin

mwahmwah Thu 04-Oct-12 20:46:04

Omg,how judgemental! What a nasty cow angry

On a totally different subject, is anyone else seriously panicking about how close they are to having another little one? I am 28 weeks and have a mixture if excitement and utter dread. So worried about the reality of having three children. I know i'll cope bit I am frightened, its a scary time. I Judy think no-one really vocalises it if they are feeling anxious, and I for one, am bricking it!

mwahmwah Thu 04-Oct-12 20:49:28

¤nasty cow was meant to be your mil Stacey btw! Crossed posts there!

Flumpy2012 Thu 04-Oct-12 21:24:23

Poor Stacey and poor spotty!

Just had huge row with XP over trust. Stupid bloody hormones

I too am petrified of how close it is getting. 29weeks now! And after pre term labour scares I really worry it could be sooner than anticipated! I haven't been as scared as I thought I would be about doing it alone (probably v naive) I hope we'll just get into the swing (spend a month in pjs) with no one telling us we're doing it wrong all the time or irritating us!

Emotional wreck now and I just wish this heartburn would do one!!!!! angry

cherrypiew3 Thu 04-Oct-12 21:29:57

Pidg great news on the heartbeat.

StaceyHow horrible of your mil just try to ignore her and think about your lo.

I went food shopping this morning and when I got to the checkout I could just about stand up very uncomfortable. Got home put shopping away and had a little sit down. (tmi coming up) Then went for a wee when I wiped there was a very thick brown/yellow discharge. First thought was to ring mw but decided to see if it happened again. On the school pick up I came over very sick feeling came home had a nap and a bath. Although I now feel ok my back is killing and I feel like I constantly need to poo (tmi). I have felt baby move lots today. Anybody and ideas?