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Due in October part 8- still plodding along, this time with copious amounts of raspberry leaf tea

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Londonmrss Thu 27-Sep-12 16:14:01

Surely this'll be the last one before moving to the postnatal section?

Due Dates:

Sept. 24: Lisbethsopposite DS2 by planned induction
Sept. 25: Squidkid DC1
Sept. 26: Elpis DC2 by ELCS
Sept. 27: Planktonette DC1
Oct. 1: FjordMor DD1 by planned induction, Gigglewhizz DC1(?)
Oct. 2: Firstbubba DC1, Milk DC2
Oct. 5: Yomping DC1
Oct. 7: Crazypaving DC2
Oct. 10: WantAnOrange DC2, MrsConfusion DC1, MidgetM if induced
Oct. 11: Smileyhappymummy DC2 by ELCS
Oct. 14: Hufflepuffle DC1.
Oct. 17: Smorgs, DC1
Oct. 18: Bella2012 DC2, Beccus DC1
Oct. 19: Shellwedance DC1
Oct. 20: Beeblebear DC1, MidgetM if ELCS DC2
Oct. 21: Dosomethingmutley DC1
Oct. 26: Londonmrss, DC1, Zara1984 DS1, Liege07 DS1
Oct. 28: Kyyria DC1, Loopyla, DC1
Oct. 30: Cherrychopsticks, DC1
Nov. 1: Londonlivvy DC1
Nov. 8: Mickey DC1

Actual babies:

Sept. 20: Velo - Max 2.35kg
Sept. 25: Angelico - Mini Angelico, CWest30 - Naomi Louise, 4lb 10oz

crazypaving Thu 27-Sep-12 16:26:07

Thanks LondonMrs!

Who knows....we are quite seriously prolific posters grin

hufflepuffle Thu 27-Sep-12 16:31:56

did i finish the other thread? Having major drama here. My locum cover is ill. Will i have to work until my waters break?? I am panicking................

violetlights Thu 27-Sep-12 16:55:44

Hello! Can you add me? grin DC1 7th oct. I haven't been around as much as I'd like as we've been moving house and generally feeling knackered and stressed! Trying to wind down a little now... Hope everyone is feeling good... Exciting times! xxx

Londonmrss Thu 27-Sep-12 17:05:11

Huffle I'm pretty sure you're entitled to stop when you planned to. It's their problem, not yours. My cover couldn't start until 2 weeks after my finish date, but I told them they would just have to deal with it. Or would you rather keep going to make sure someone does the job?

hufflepuffle Thu 27-Sep-12 17:10:07

Londonmrss I am self employed, i run a business and employ several people. Without an optician there are no appointments, no income, no money!!!!!!!!!! This is not good as I cannot just get anyone in!!!!!!!! I am trying not to melt!!! Only person to deal with it is me, no-one to pass the buck to!!!!!!

Zara1984 Thu 27-Sep-12 17:23:20

Ack huffle!!! Are there some kind of optician recruitment/locum agencies that you could use to find a replacement ASAP?? Does your regulatory/register body advertise jobs or make connections - can you get in touch with them and ask for help finding someone??

I wonder how many babies will be born on this thread grin... I wonder if mine will be one of them shock although probably not as I'm only 36 weeks tomorrow!

Went to GP clinic for my antenatal appointment this morning. Baby has NOT engaged at all so my suspicions that he was (very heavy feeling low down, bladder feels like cystitis if not emptied regularly) simply mean he is just heavy. He had hiccups while the midwife listened to his heartbeat on the doppler grin.

Baby Bjorn Balance bouncer turned up yesterday.... crikey it was expensive but it's very very cool and I think baby will like it. I luffs it. grin

Faffing about trying to get things sorted for my mat cover who starts on Monday (2 week crossover). Can't possibly hope to have everything sorted in time, but my idea is that it's not so much her "watching" me, it's her taking over all the work so that by this time in 2 weeks (my last day at work) she will be doing everything and I can eat cake grin.

Can I join please? Due on 11th. Fed up sad

Oh, and it's DC3. Poss VBAC2.

Zara1984 Thu 27-Sep-12 17:26:06

Other thoughts huffle do you know any retired opticians (I presume they would still need practicing certificates etc) who would temporarily be able to step in while your locum recovers? Eg someone who used to run a practice in the town/city where you live.

Zara1984 Thu 27-Sep-12 17:26:57

welcome oneofmy smile

LoopyLa Thu 27-Sep-12 17:45:24

Thanks LondonMrss for the new thread - I bloody hope this our last one til we cross over to the dark side to the postnatal one!!

I'm exhausted & glad mat leave is starting soon, 6 working days to go...tick tock tick tock.

Kyyria Thu 27-Sep-12 17:58:45

Yomping I to have had the aching fanjo of doom...

Started last Tuesday evening (which is I presume when he decided to engage his head) as I feel like I have been kicked in the fanjo! Pelvis has been very achey since and is very uncomfortable when moving (walking/turning over in bed).

Welcome newcomers <waves> sorry not to name check - am on my phone!

Just updating on the minor bleeding I had earlier in the.week - it subsided pretty quickly so am satisfied it was related to the massage smile

Over the last couple of days have noticed a pea-sized lump in my tummy that comes and goes - and convinced it's part of the bean but can't work out which bit! confused

Bloody hell you lot! Will you all just sit quietly and safely for a bit please!grin

MrsC, that's a bit of a shocker so late in the game, I hope you're ok. Just out of curiosity, did you have any symptoms at all?

Poor Fjord, but yes, like everyone else I think you have to get checked. Can totally understand why you don't want to though. But for one thing, it wouldn't be much fun to go through labour with an untreated, unstrapped broken wrist. And like someone else said, you'll only worry if not.

Squid, I wonder if part of your problem is you beat yourself up for feeling this way? Just go with it - you're pregnant, you're overdue (only by a tiny bit but...smile) and you're an emotional mess - embrace it, don't feel bad! It's not wrong or weak at all. You've been unfortunate that you were the first due naturally, there are a lot more of us to come, watch us all go overdue and melt down while you serenely cradle your PFB. Which WILL come in it's own sweet time

Oh no Huffle!! I hope you find someone soon, otherwise you'll have to pop baby out between appointments shock I've had pleurisy a couple of times and it's horrible. I won't say how long it took to recover...

Crazy are you ok? Is this it?!

Welcome to all the new people - you're more than welcome to join...IF your due date is after mine wink

Zara, yes those things are sooooo expensive but very purdy, are they magic?! They're even more expensive here as they're "imported".

Plankton, Happy Due Day! Love the name, we were thinking the exact same thing but now I'm worried it might be a bit too common...grin

My pregnancy news...found some oh-so-sexy button-up PJs today for the hospital today. Now there's nothing to stop me from packing my bag except, perhaps, denial.

Night all.

Elpis Thu 27-Sep-12 18:10:53

DS arrived yesterday just after noon, weighing 3.2kg or thereabouts. We were discharged this afternoon (27 hours from c-section birth to leaving hospital - is that a record?) and he's feeding well - I just wish DD wasn't so insanely jealous. Am literally sandwiched between adorable sleeping newborn and frustrated 3-year-old who wants to do everything for baby and has just tried to hitch up my dress to see the c-section wound. angry

The ELCS was a mixed experience but almost certainly easier than labour would have been, so I'm not going to complain (and the woman next to me in the postnatal ward had just given birth to twins at 24 weeks and cried every time one of the babies in the bay cried. Awful to hear). Something went a bit amiss with the first cannula the lovely anaesthetist put in my arm - it started swelling up and my blood pressure fell dramatically. Ghastly feeling. They had to pull it out and reinsert. Epidural/ spinal worked, but I had the shakes in a major way. The previous section overran so the epidural was topped up twice and we were waiting outside theatre for over an hour. But the op itself was just fine. I was able to hold him on my chest within a couple of minutes and stroke his head. Big tearful moment for DH and me. It feels amazing to be able to calm your newborn baby like that.

We were in the recovery bay for a couple of hours and DS had some milk and snuffled adorably. I was ravenous - I hadn't eaten for 18 hours - and DH provided a chicken sandwich, some Sprite and cheese and onion crisps. More of those later. Literally. It was exactly the same recovery bay as last time, and then we were wheeled down to the same postnatal ward bay, at which point I threw up, and again, and again, because no one had told me you shouldn't eat until six hours after an epidural, or I'd forgotten. Ladies - don't make this mistake. We settled in and DS nestled happily on my chest, but I'd forgotten how awkward it is to position a floppy-headed newborn for breastfeeding without the help of a proper cushion and with a catheter in. Evening and night were a blur of injections, BP checks, blood-taking, pills, temperature, catheter-checking, newborns coming in and yelling and cuddling. I didn't sleep much but it felt good when I did.

Objectively speaking he is not the most beautiful of babies, but he is so peaceful and grunty and warm and cuddly. I hope all yours are just as gorgeous. smile

Londonmrss Thu 27-Sep-12 18:19:45

Yey Elpis! Congratulations, fantastic news!
What do you mean, 'not the most beautiful'? They're all beautiful in an ugly squished kind of way!
Welcome also to the newcomers!
Huffle, crap- sorry I forgot you were self employed. Is there any sort of union / industry body you can contact? How long is replacement's illness likely to last?

Ugh, my baby's movements are getting SO uncomfortable. I think she might be quite leggy and she keeps stretching so I get a foot sticking right out on my right hand side for ages. Think it's a foot- she's still head down with her bum underneath my ribs on the front right so can't think what else it can be. Why she seems so against the fetal position with folded legs is beyond me- think she's just trying to be difficult. Anyway, I'll be glad in a few weeks when I'm no longer pregnant...

3mb Thu 27-Sep-12 18:23:11

cherrychopsticks - I'm definitely due after you( 31st ) but my consultant can't decide whether to section me 38 or 39 weeks or would you believe it induce me at 38 just to see what happens! (I've already had 2 sections plus 1 breech natural early prem).

Planktonette Thu 27-Sep-12 18:29:33


Congrats elpis - super amazed that you have the brain space and sweet nature to keep giving tips, even after an ELCS!!!!

Kyyria Thu 27-Sep-12 18:46:16

Yay for elpis grin

Midgetm Thu 27-Sep-12 18:53:19

Elpis I get more emotional with each announcement! Congratualtions - I love your description of him - peaceful and grunty is what I hope for. And the word snuffling makes me want to hold a newborn right NOW! Also good to hear the good and bad bits of you ELCS as I still do not know which door my beast boy is coming out of. So delighted for you all. I am expecting much what you describe with DD - they are so used to having us all to themselves.

Cherry Sleep tight, and pack that bag - even I have started well I have put a towel in does that count?

Kyria Good to hear no more bleeding. My fanjo has started playing up a little - again becasue I know he is engaged - if I move too quickly now I get the fanjo of doom too.

Huffle oh no! I know I was whinging about still working but I was not wishing it on anyone else honest guv. Whole different ball game when it is your business. Deep breaths - you will find a solution.

A thousand welcomes to those newbies joining the thread. You are more than welcome - no matter how late you may show up bit like these babies I suppose

MrsC so sorry OC has reared it's head. Although if there is a silver lining I suppose it is good though that has developed so late in the day. My consultant thought I had it at one stage - luckily I didn't but I did a lot of reading about it. As always Dr Google threw up lots of unhelpful stuff but what I took from it was that if they were monitoring you and it came late then not so much to worry about. Still I know it changes things and is a pain in the butt but you sound like you are taking it in your stride. I had similar with PET with DD1 - meant I had to revise my approach but all was well in the end. Big hugs for you though as I know it sucks a big un.

Fjord I would get the wrist checked out - they can't induce you early because you hurt your wrist and I am sure your little girl was well protected - remember you are in charge and they wouldn't try and do it for no good reason. But do get your wrist looked at as you will need it over the coming weeks grin. And of course it is not because you were too zen - you will still be zen once you sort all this... you are the zen fjordmumma.

I had a really stressful day. And no amount of breathing in golden light helped make it any better. Ended up in MDU getting a trace on the baby. Who of course went crazy and kicked and hiccuped his way through the trace. Midwife asked me if I was having twins when I got my bump out shock. How rude but it was funny. Afterwards I think she thought I may be offended and tried to say it just looked big because I was so small but she can't fool me. It is fecking huge. 2 weeks to go at work. Probably 2 weeks to go max before the baby comes so somethings got to give!

Right I can't go back any more - this thread moves to fast and I need to make up the time I spent being a paranoid loon at MDU. Much love to all and sending come out messages to babysquid

FjordMor Thu 27-Sep-12 18:56:54

Firstly, congratulations Elpis! thanks

Secondly, thanks to everyone for the advice! I called the maternity unit & they said if I can still feel her moving around, then I don't need to be monitored; she will be fine. Only to call again if I lose blood or amniotic fluid. I can't be bothered to get my wrist checked out tonight but may have to before Monday, if only to get some useful support for it for Monday. Despite a useless hand & 2 'scalped' knees, I'm still determined to birth actively!

ShellWeDance Thu 27-Sep-12 19:06:43

Thanks for the new thread LondonMrs.

Big congrats to Elpis, so jealous of your cuddles!

Huffle what a pain, hope you're OK and get it sorted.

Waves to the newbies.

Had my baby shower last night, was a bit dubious but it was lovely and I got some really cute presents. Kyyria the cake pic on FB is amazing!

No engagement here, bum still right under my ribs. MW confirmed it's back to back do will try swimming tomorrow.

Hope everyone gets some decent sleep tonight.

Otherwise no sign of eng

hufflepuffle Thu 27-Sep-12 19:12:29

Yay Elpis!!!!!!! Congratulations!!!! Love your chat, making me all emotional, snuffling baba!!! Awwww!

In awe at your long post to update us, u r a superstar....

Thanks for support ladies, sorry to whinge. I will sort something. Off to yoga to breathe away my worries. No babies coming out while I'm away now!!!

Oh and welcome newbies, hope u can put up with us!!


londonlivvy Thu 27-Sep-12 19:20:26

huffle slightly offbeat suggestion here, but could you try the university for local graduates of opticianry (or whatever it's called - sorry for ignorance). They might not all have jobs immediately and I feel sure they must actually be properly trained and qualified. You might have to keep a closer eye on them than you liked, but better than no-one?

welcome newbees.

zara very jealous of your cross over. My replacement starts on 26th October. Awesome planning given that I stop work on the 12th. Ah well. Must not take it to heart.

how lovely shellwedance re your babyshower and I will second the THAT'S AWESOME re kyrria's cake.

Second half of my Pre / Post Natal Yoga teacher training course starts tomorrow. Three full days of 9-6pm (and with a fairly decent commute too, means it's about a 12 hour day). I am not looking forward to it but hoping I'll battle on through and that I'll pass the exam on Sunday. EEK.

Right. Must stop faffing on t'internet and chatting, lovely though you all are, and get on with swotting!

londonlivvy Thu 27-Sep-12 19:26:56

oh and huge congrats elpis and thank you for top tip re not eating after epidural. Enjoy your little one.

smileyhappymummy Thu 27-Sep-12 19:31:05

huffle not sure I've got any other useful suggestions - are there locum agencies for opticians? - but massive sympathy, horrid to have all your plans turned upside down like that and to feel like there's nothing you can do about it.
Also hugs to mrs c - not what you wanted! But at least they know about it now so you will be getting all the appropriate treatment and monitoring. Hope you're feeling ok about it, or at least as ok as you can be, lots to get your head round.
squid go easy on yourself sweetheart, you sound like you're being a bit critical of yourself just for having a little meltdown when everyone knows pregnant ladies ar entitled to meltdowns whenever. How you are feeling is normal, you are doing brilliantly.
elpis huge congratulations so pleased for you. Would love to be home that quick post section but suspect given last times disaster thwt may not be an option they give me!

WantAnOrange Thu 27-Sep-12 19:57:55

Congratulations Elpis!!!!! grin

Squid can I join you in feeling awful about meltdowns? I cried today from the SPD pain. I couldn't walk to do the school the run, even though I had told DS I would be picking him up and then felt so guilty for letting him down. He was all excited because usually Daddy does the school runs atm. Sounds daft but it's big and important when you're 6. I had to miss his swimming lesson as well so sat at home alone, crying. Pathetic huh?

Been back to college this week, all day yesturday and this morning. It was great to be back and see friends, and use my brain again! Sitting down on a hard chair all day was not a good idea though. Ouch! I am slightly panicking about the amount of work I have to do while caring for a newborn. I have a presentation due in November!

This is odd, but has anyone else had their legs go numb? Last night, for about 3 hours my legs just felt wrong. They were sort of shaky and numb and I could not sit still.

crazypaving Thu 27-Sep-12 20:16:17

Elpis HUGE congrats! You make it sound amazing (in spite of the massive barfing issues). Enjoy your lovely newborn!!

Zara can't recommend those babybjorn bouncers enough. DS would actually sit in his for significant periods of time so I could get stuff done, like eat breakfast shock Anywhere else he just screamed until held.

huffle gawd what a nightmare situation sad I don't have a clue what on earth you can do, but really hope you get something sorted.

Kyyria glad the bleeding's tailed off, that's great news.

I'm still getting random mild contractions, but nowt exciting. I'm only 38wks after all... I want one more weekend before the twilight zone hits!! And I could use a night's sleep tonight so really hope the contractions ease off sad The only reason I'm still awake now is cos DS was at childminder's today, so I slept this morning. Can't do that tomorrow...

WantAnOrange Thu 27-Sep-12 20:37:55

DH has insisted I come on and tell you that he just walked to not one, but TWO shops, in the dark, in search of Gavisicon, and is therefore the best husband in the world.

I think he's milking a bit.....

crazypaving Thu 27-Sep-12 20:46:32

aw bless, wantan. So sorry the SPD has been so bad sad I can echo cherry's recommendation of chewing gum if desperate - it's surprisingly effective.

The key question is, did he bring you a surprise treat??? grin

Lizzietow Thu 27-Sep-12 21:00:54

Feel weird tonight! Baby is moving lots but have strange groin pain. Sort of feel like I'm about to burst but only 38 weeks. Anyone else had this?! Didn't have it with the last- I was nearly 2 weeks over.
Loving the birth stories so far!

WantAnOrange Thu 27-Sep-12 21:10:14

He brought M&Ms!

Lordy, a new thread?! Haha grin Part 1 of catch up!

Smorgs My DP sounds exactly like yours... "I used to watch the cows giving birth with Dad, can't be that different right?" I won't tell you what I replied but it was rather rude and not the nicest thing I've ever said in my life.

MrsC Is THAT what it is? Theres me thinking that the baby just likes my ribs but they were quite rhythmic... I was starting to wonder wether I was ever going to experience BH- maybe I am actually having them!!

Crazy YANBU. I almost wore my pjamas to work this morning, I'm starting to give up with my work trousers. I don't think I have worn normal clothing at home for weeks. Pjs and joggers all the way!!!

Squid Feels sad for you.. Sending big cuddles. My cousin was exactly the same, you never know, this being all over the place might be the start of it all. I won't get your hopes up though. Good on you for being able to walk 5 miles still i am just jealous i cannot walk for more than half hour without my pelvis falling apart and rest assured that your baby will be here within the next two weeks. I know induction isn't really the ideal, but if everything in life was ideal, no-one would know how to cope with a problem.

Tell me to shut up, I think that may have been a really crappy ramble, just ignore me! And feed back my advice when I whinge at you all- I'm sure I will find it just as annoying wink..

to be continued!!..

Midgetm Thu 27-Sep-12 21:34:44

Wantan Your DH rocks - can you send him round to North London as thought I had escaped heartburn but think I could do with a spot of Gaviscon RIGHT NOW.

Lizzietow Thu 27-Sep-12 21:48:24

Just reading your post wantan (sorry, still quite new to this thread so catching up!), and I aldi have SPD so feel your pain! I didn't have it with DD- I guess everything must be a bit weaker this time! Have you had physio? I found it useful but to he honest I'm so knackered by evening that I forget to do the exercises!
Only got two weeks to go till due date and wondering how I'm going to get through. Tonight I think baby's head is turning in my groin or something as there's something odd going on down there!
Oh yes, that's what I was going to say. I've had that numb, restless and just plain weird leg thing you mention, just these past couple of nights. Like you say- they just feel wrong, like they're not my legs or something! No idea what it is.
Jealous of M and Ms! Though I do have a box of celebrations next to me oooh which first, the mini twix or mars?

FJord I hope your wrist is alright.
Wantan Your DH does indeed rock... I'm still smarting at the comment while we were DTD the other day.. "Phwoar its like climbing a mountain!".

I got my revenge and sat on him. Ha Ha Ha.

Elpis I'm so pleased for you!! congratulations :D

Ohh I am so jealous of you all finishing work.. 4 WEEKS TO GO. Although only 20 working days... so when put like that isn't too bad.
I worked a 10 hour shift today. I am so tired. My manager left me in the shit, and yet even when I made my life harder to make our deputy's life easier.. he still moaned at me about how much there was to do. I'm sorry, I haven't just run a shop with only three members of staff (when we usually have 7, including a member of "senior" management) and run and refilled the bakery since 6 O CLOCK THIS FECKING MORNING, put two deliveries away, had a new security brief which lasted AN HOUR, completed an A4 list of jobs.. Deputy came in at 1. By this point I had been there for 7 hours. Not eaten, not sat down and had a drink, oh and shall I add that I am 34 WEEKS FECKING PREGNANT TODAY?!

Sorry rant over. Feeling very angry still. And got to be there again in... 7 hours. My dog has proper just snuggled up to me though, and I actually feel hungry now. Poor DP made me dinner but I felt sick so I haven't eaten. Now I'm hungry. Chilli con carne and peanut butter sandwiches. Mmmmmmmomnomnomnom.

LoopyLa Fri 28-Sep-12 07:10:11

Gosh Mickey, you need to try & take it a little easier otherwise you'll end up collapsing - your employer should have some responsibilities towards pregnant ladies, please try to look after yourself if at all possible?

I woke up at 4.30 with a massive headache, it really hurts sad

I also was introducing my replacement to people yesterday & it basically made me feel rubbish <sulky> I think it's best I only have 6 working days left now, need to finish work & start seriously relaxing instead of stressing over leaving my very enjoyable job sad

Elpis huge congrats & I hope my LO comes out resembling something like a baby rather than a gremlin which is what I've been thinking!!

Midgetm Fri 28-Sep-12 07:16:59

Things I must do today

Go pick up my prescription for gaviscon so wantan's DH doesn't have to.

Go kick Mickeys boss for being a nobber and making her work too hard.

Try and listen to hypno cd with my rubbish birthing partner without him pissing himself laughing.

Rock backwards and forwards thinking about why I am throwing a party for DD tomorrow with 25 4-5 year olds when I am 36 weeks pregnant confused

That is all

WantAnOrange Fri 28-Sep-12 07:49:01

He does indeed rock and has been rewarded wink

Lizzie this is my second pregnancy and I didn't have SPD first time either. I haven't had any physio. I'll be honest I have not suffered nearly as much as some do and found it manageable so didn't bother with the referal. Now I'm really hurting but I've only got 2 weeks left so so probably won't bother. I do to much and bring it on myself. Yesturday I spent an hour ironing, after being at college all morning, so today, DH has ordered me to sit down and not leave the house!

Fair enough, as I have LOADS of coursework to do and really should get it done before baby arrives!

hufflepuffle Fri 28-Sep-12 07:55:09

Morning all! Like to say woke up positive, but alas no! Yes, there are lots of options for random cover, lots of people who need jobs. We are a v small busy practice which is run in a v controlled way by me!! Finding the right person was v hard, we also provide home visits which most wouldn't touch with a barge pole. Thus a random stranger turning up next wk to work would not only be hard on them but v hard on other staff, likely highly inefficient and piss off most of the people booked on to see them, losing us loyal patients and ultimately money, now and future. This may sound far fetched to most of you. We are not a big many staff practice where anything goes.

I am flabbergasted. I hav a few options. Most likely is that I continue to work next wk and hope she recovers fast. I need to make some calls this morning to friends who may help out. I might even hav to eat humble pie and offer temporary job to the person who didn't get the job. But she has had no intro to my odd ways or how we run. And she may tell me to go jump!!!!

Am sure something will turn up. So this was to be a cheerful busy last day, looks like a worrying complicated one.

Sorry to whinge, but god I need to. Hugs to you all, keep well, please send stay in, stay calm vibes to my bean who is due to arrive 2 weeks on Sunday and despite half hoping for it to come early, now need it to v v firmly stay putt!!!

Ciao! X

Smorgs Fri 28-Sep-12 09:51:01

Umm should I be worried that the anaesthetist started some long rambling talk about euthanasia at my apt this morning?! Feel pretty sure he's one of these French intellectual types you likes to discuss ideas a lot, but was slightly disconcerting nonetheless. Anyway his overall attitude was nice - epidural not compulsory, although they don't allow 'walking epidurals' here now you can still sit up or on a birth chair, you can have it anytime between 2-9cm dilated and if you decide not to have it you can give birth in the water bath, yay!

Did mad rush to Ikea last night to buy cot and changing table - think I might suggest to Relate that they set up a stand on the door. That place is a nightmare for marital relations.

elpis huge congratulations! Love your description of all the sniffly sounds - I can't wait!

Oh hufflepuffle that sounds so stressful. I'm afraid I have no advice other than what others have said. I hope things work out brew

fjordmor huge sympathies on your fall, sounds way more dramatic than mine. Glad the bean seems ok but do get your wrist checked out. Better to do it now when you have a bit of time than find out later that you seriously hurt it and have a wriggly baby to look after.

squid hope you're feeling a bit better today. These hormones are troublesome aren't they. I can only suggest taking each day as it comes and relying on the idea that your body knows what's right for you and little squidlet so will start things moving when it's the right time. You've done so much to help it along I don't think you could have done more.

MrsConfusion Fri 28-Sep-12 09:59:40

Oh huffle really hope you find someone to cover. sad My FIL is an optometrist, self-employed, and has found his patients very understanding when he's been away (both expectedly and unexpectedly), but I doubt that will reassure you. Fingers crossed the locum gets better quickly. Do try to look after yourself as much as poss.

squid have a big hug my lovely, you're amazing and shouldn't beat yourself up (so hard not to, but we'll keep telling you until you believe us!). thanks

cherry main symptom of this liver thing was itchy skin - general feeling tired/grotty was indistiguishable from general 38-weeks-of-pregnancyness, but the itching was new and getting worse. confused

Off to the hospital this afternoon to see what the docs say and agree a plan. hmm I'm oscillating between wanting to keep bean inside as long as possible (only 1/5th engaged so clearly not ready yet to emerge) and thinking that if it's going to be an induction, let's just get on with it so I don't fret, and don't keep itching... Will try to get the doctors to give us some relative risk information later on (the info on the internet seems fairly contradictory, seemingly not much studied).

Just checking through the hospital bags to make sure we're packed in case they do anything daft today, and then I'm going to cook up a batch of food for freezer. Lots of other things need doing but that's about all I can get my head around at the moment!

Hope the new mummies are getting to know their babies and recovering well from the births, and that the daddies are learning the ropes too. brew and biscuit and thanks and love to all.

Planktonette Fri 28-Sep-12 10:57:15

What the hell is the deal. Had best nights sleep in ages last night (only weed about six times! grin and now, shattered. Soooo tired.

Dishwasher and mobile have now joined washing machine in deciding to not actually work anymore. Swear to God my appliances are psychic...

huffle OW. Wish I had something useful to say... Really don't though. Best luck. Customers who k ow about your pregnancy will probably be very under standing, people are good that way. (At a east, they keep surprising me!)

Going to go read comics on the couch now.

Smorgs Fri 28-Sep-12 10:57:26

Oh and yomping the aching fanjo of doom has struck me today too sad

Liege07 Fri 28-Sep-12 11:00:55

Hello everyone,

Quite a lot to catch up on! congratulations elpis, velo angelico and Cwest ... I am getting so excited now! I hope you are all doing well and enjoying the snuggles..

Just a quick post to say I am alive and still pregnant, was admitted to hospital on Tuesday (after monitoring) for two nights for more monitoring and a "stress test" and because of relatively high levels of liver enzymes (though no actual symptoms eg itching) and because I felt reduced movement from the babe. All a bit scary and stressful but all fine now and I am out and baby seems fine (and is still in) more monitoring every two days and blood tests etc..

MrsConfusion hoping all goes well at the docs today - the itching must be terrible - hope you can get some relief.

squid thinking of you, it must be very difficult but it will pass and before you know it you'll be doing 5 mile walks in the rain with the baby in his or her sling! and all this pre-birth stress will be a distant memory.

hufflepuffle really hope you get something sorted soon but I agree with whoever said that your patients are likely to be understanding and will surely remain loyal and supportive instead of throwing toys out of the pram... Good luck though!

sorry to all the rest I haven't mentioned.. I've read you all though and send support, biscuit and brew!


Londonmrss Fri 28-Sep-12 11:37:28

Hi all,

Liege, that sounds scary- glad everything is ok!
Any news Huffle? Hope you're managing to keep calm- what a horrible situation to find yourself in at the moment.
Hope you're doing ok, Squid.
Had my 36 week appointment today and as everything is still fine, I'm all set to go into the lovely birth centre once I go into labour. A bit annoying that they're wanting me to book in for a sweep at 41 weeks, but I suppose it makes sense.

For anyone who is wondering about the new whooping cough etc jab which is going to be rolled out for pregnant women, I mentioned it to my midwife this morning. They hadn't heard anything about it and also found out from the BBC like the rest of us. She said she can't imagine it being available as early as next week, but worth calling towards the end of the week to find out when it might be possible. Might be available for some of us as it's up to 38 weeks.

Anyone else getting bad bump ache when they spend too long on their feet?

Hugs to you all.

YompingJo Fri 28-Sep-12 12:53:02

Yay Elpis, hugely brilliant news! Glad it all went OK, sorry to hear about the throwing up, very kind of you to go through that so that you could help the rest of us avoid it grin! Picturing you with snuffly baby and going all gooey at the thought!

Kind of relieved to have company in the aching fanjo department but sorry others have this too as it's a bit miserable!

After chatting to a couple of friends last night, turns out the weird "panicky" feelings I have been having are BH contractions so I'm not so cross with my uterus any more as it is clearly trying hard to get some practice in.

Huffle, FjordMor and MrsConfusion, sending you general sympathy for job stress, wrist pain and badly behaved liver. No-one should have to deal with this sort of shite so late in pregnancy!

Off to cafe for tea, lunch and cake, mmmm cake! Nom nom nom!

Yomping, 37, 39 weeks today, eek! And now the proud owner of a plastic jug to pour over my bits while I pee to relieve any stinging. Pregnancy... it's so glam grin grin

dosomethingmutley Fri 28-Sep-12 13:57:29

Hooray for the safe arrival of so many babies already grin Huge congratulations to all the mums, new beans, brothers, sisters and husbands involved thanks

I have been struggling lots with lack of sleep and the general tearfulness that this brings with it (and being too busy to be able to do anything about it), but this morning managed to snooze for an extra 2.5 hours, so feeling a bit more positive now. This afternoon I will go for a stomp in the blustery fresh air and then stop procrastinating and actually pack my hospital bag.

Love and hugs to all those struggling, or who have had scares recently. huffle I really hope you manage to find a solution to your cover situation; are any of your employees willing/able to step in to the breach in the interim whilst your replacement recovers?

Take care of yourselves, beanbakers! x

Zara1984 Fri 28-Sep-12 14:02:56

On a half day at work so having a cheeseburger & fries at the greasy spoon near work before heading home grin - my mat cover starts on Monday, it's going to be a busy 2 weeks crossover!

Thank you elpis re the eating & epidurals!! I know I will be famished after delivery so that is another reason for me to try my very very best not to get an epidural!!

crazypaving Fri 28-Sep-12 14:13:08

Grrr, am so sick of these crampy braxton hicks. I didn't have this last time, I just went into labour! I thought 2nd time round your body was supposed to know what it was doing better, not fanny around and keep you guessing!

<wanders off grumbling incoherently>

LoopyLa Fri 28-Sep-12 14:53:26

LondonMrss I've booked a docs spot for 2.5 wks for both whooping & flu jabs. Oddly they did have whooping but flu wasn't due in for a few weeks?!

Congratulations to Elpis and family, he sounds absolutely perfect! And well done you for getting up and about, and posting, so quickly! thanks

grin at "it's like climbing a mountain", Mickey, cheeky bugger! Definitely sounds like you're working too hard though, if you keep doing everything and covering their arses they won't realise anything's wrong, or that they need more staff. Take care!

LondonMrs, sounds like yours is in the same position as mine - kind of upside down L shape? Legs stretched right out across to over my right hip (but higher up). Hardly ever feel anything up around my ribs, but s/he can push so hard into some organ or another over there, and the little bum pops up the other side. I swear I'm going to be left with the weirdest shape womb hmm

Thanks for the info MrsC, that doesn't sound pleasant. I hope everything goes well at your appointment.

Glad everything is ok after your scares Liege and Midget, must have been very worrying.
And Midget, 25??!! Are you mad! shock

I will be celebrating tomorrow as its my last Saturday working! Thursday was my last Thursday too, because my maternity leave from my part time job starts as of October. Next week will be my last week of private evening lessons, but as yet no end date in sight for my full time job. Like Huffle, it's my own business (nothing so grand though - very small school), so I thought I'd try and hang on as long as possible. Replacement teachers not starting til the beginning of November. But 3 days off a week will be lovely smile

Happy weekend all wine

hufflepuffle Fri 28-Sep-12 15:38:07

Think will be ok.... Arranged cover most of next wk (1 day done by me!) and today she is feeling better. If def not getting better next wk hav a possible short term option but she feels she is starting to mend.

Flip flip flip flip flip. I've not had a sick day in about 8 yrs!!! Poor girl, she is mortified, cannot be helped.

Do not need this but think will be ok.

Thank u all for words of comfort! Xx

squidkid Fri 28-Sep-12 16:30:23

You ladies are my heroes.

Thanks so much for your kindness and sense, as always.

I am sending all my love to the extraordinary hufflepuffle I cannot even imagine the stress of dealing with being self-employed in late pregnancy (even though my work were complete nobbers to me). I'm sorry I can't think of any advice... I really hope your solution works out! And the rest of my love to mrsconfusion, how stressful to have something like that turn up right at the last minute. Keep us posted...

planktonette happy due date for yesterday, september buddy. You seem a lot calmer than me grin What comics you reading, I've been into craig thompson recently (Blankets and Habibi are amazing!)

wantanorange massive sympathy on the SPD front, I had a bit of it for a while then it faded, it was AWFUL, I am so sorry you are having to deal with that.

Yomping aching fanjo since 35 weeks here. Only pelvic floor exercises seem to help at all, it's horrible. (And I don't do as many of them as I should.) Poor you, it's awful.

(Personally I think the engaged thing is overrated. I was engaged from 34 weeks and very excited about it. Still here and have had such pressure in my pelvis for months now!! (Though I guess I have escaped the awful heartburn some people have.))

crazypaving you can drive yourself nuts with the twinges, can't you... sad Hope you are doing ok chicken.

Smorgs shock at euthanasia talk from your anaesthetist, that's probably not an image you want at that point!! I'm glad the epidural situation is not as prescriptive as feared!!

midgetm you are a nutcase for having that party, you hear me? A nutcase. I've been thinking of you, trying to make the decision between induction and ELCS - a tricky one.

fjordmor Oh no! on the wrist, you poor thing...

elpis how wonderful to hear from you and in such good spirits! huge congratulations [flowers]

So exciting that we have babies. I want to see some pictures when people are home and settled! How long are people normally in hospital after c-sections, I forget. Really hope all is well with lisbethsopposite as well.

As for me, well I am just pootling along. Despairing and hormonal in the night and morning, then cheer up throughout the day. I think you are right planktonette and I am trying to do far too much - I find the balance between keeping busy and distracted and not wearing myself out very difficult. anyway I didn't go out last night and today I have mostly been cuddled up on the sofa watching old Nigella Lawson episodes because she cracks me up. Cleaned the house top to bottom just now so it's nice for the weekend. Boy is taking me out for dinner, very shortly. Bless him.

Really hope I go into labour naturally - really hope so - it's totally occupying my head. I have a sweep in 4 days time at 40+7 - am not going to consider induction till 40+14 at the earliest, even though I am going mental. I am only 40+3 so hopefully I am just being really pessimistic here.

Kyyria Fri 28-Sep-12 16:35:26

Well, last day at work done. Feels so weird to finally be off on maternity leave! It still doesn't all feel real.

Currently sitting on sofa with a cuppa, a bar of chocolate and a LO that has got major hiccups!

bella2012 Fri 28-Sep-12 17:05:37

glad you are feeling a bit more positive squid. Did you say you were reluctant to have a sweep? I had one when I was a few days late and things started off that night.

Dishing out massive dollops of sympathy to fjord on the poorly wrist front-all you need! Huffle for job related stress-you are amazing, I don't know how you are holding it all together. Self-employment is clearly not for the feint hearted! Mrs C who is coping so well with an unexpected complication at this late stage. I take my hat off to you for your pragmatism. Likewise Leige, hope you are feeling a bit better after some re-assurance. Mickey I can not believe what nobbers your work are- that shift sounds absolutely intolerable! I can't believe you have so long left-it must be rubbish for you hearing about all these babies when you have so many weeks left to wade through! At least you can benefit from everyone's experience and support hopefully. And to yomping and the achey fanjo crew-huge sympathy to you too. (great name for some kind of feminist rock band though?) oh and not forgetting crazy with the BH. I didn't get any last time or this time-should I be worried?!

Hurrah for you Elpis! Thrilled for you and can just imagine your little snuffly beauty!

I got to meet my really good friend's baby yesterday and it just knocked me out! Soo amazing and tiny. Was overwhelming, but generally pretty positive to feel a baby in my arms and to see her recovering so well and juggling her newborn and ds so well.

Today I had my health visitor home visit. Did everyone have one of these? I am not sure if many of you have mentioned it? Being the true nobber that I am, I spent the whole day (with DS in tow) cleaning my house ahead of her arrival even though I know the purpose of her visit was not to judge me on the state of my house! Anyway, she was so so nice. I ended up crying when she asked me about my last birthing experience which came as a surprise to me. Think I have buried some of the feelings I had last time. I wish I had taken advantage of the 'birth reflections' service they have here where someone goes through your notes with you and helps you to reflect on what went on during labour. If anyone has a tough time, or feels a bit hazy about what went on and why-I would urge you to look into post-birth services like this one.

She also re-assured me about my fears about being admitted to hospital. My unit wont admit you until you are havimg 3 contractions in a ten min period. Last time it took me days to get that far established and I am scared to spend that long at home with no monitoring or pain relief. But she said that given my previous experience, they should admit me sooner for re-assurance sake and that she will make sure that gets passed on by my midwife.

I was also encouraged to go to the local birthing unit for some aftercare to give myself time to bond with the new baby before going home to ds. I had been thinking I just want to get back to him as quick as poss, but am now seriously considering having at least an extra night there to get breast-feeding established and to be able to have the inevitable baby blues crying period without having to try and keep it together in front of ds. What are other second timers doing?

The BEST thing ever has happened too, which is that DH has had an unexpected early finish from work so has been dispatched to buy something yummy and easy for dinner, so the two of us can snuggle up and enjoy a lovely cosy night. I have missed him so much this week so am v. Happy. (sure the crazy weepy hormones will be back tomorrow...)

love and hugs to all.

Bella 29, 37+1 edd 18th oct.

squidkid Fri 28-Sep-12 17:17:56

bella No, I'm quite happy to have a sweep - it's just that my midwife and my mate who's a midwife said they don't really do anything before 40+7 unless you were just about to go into labour anyway, so I'm trying to be patient! Maybe it's the wrong decision but I've made it now and am giving myself a week to see if things just happen.

Hope you have a lovely evening with your other half. Mine has just come home so we are going for a walk and then to a restaurant. He looks gorgeous, must go scrub up. xxx

Angelico Fri 28-Sep-12 17:59:07

Hello! I am home! smile Copying this into both the AN and PN threads, can't wait to get caught up with you all and see which new beans have arrived! smile x

bella2012 Fri 28-Sep-12 18:08:50

have a lush night squid! Have a glass of vino and enjoy! Didn't know that about sweeps-will bear that in mind when I inevitably play the waiting game in a couple of weeks time!

Hi angelico- we have missed you! Are you a teary, massive boobed, sleep deprived heap? Or just like my friend whose baby I met yesterday who was looking and feeling great and taking it all in her stride? I really hope you are ok and getting lots of support from lovely mr. Angelico who made us all cry with his lush birth announcement xxx

Angelico Fri 28-Sep-12 18:10:42

Right, getting caught up here - congrats to Velo, CWest and Elpis on your new beans! smile Has anyone heard from Lisbeth? Hopefully she is just busy with her new bean! smile

Just a short message as pretty tired... went in Tues, they took me early so by 12.20 was in theatre. Worst bit - 3 goes at Venflon thing for back of hand (ouch). Spinal - literally didn't even feel it go in after worrying, I got the giggles at the senasation. Started cutting 12.55 (and yes they used the skylight joke) and Bean emerged eyes open at 13.01, really alert smile Only unpleasantness - I started to feel very nauseous (me and anaesthetics / diamorphine have a bad track record) butI had warned them and after 3 anti-sickness medications was grand. Back up from recovery, Bean latched on straight away - glad one of us knew what we were doing! smile

Up and moving on Wed, think I totally overdid it as pain on Wed night was bad - much worse than expected. I was also completely shattered from no sleep which made it worse IYSWIM. They took Beanie to nursery so I could sleep and I woke up feeling grand early Thurs morning. She is a great feeder so far which really helps. This morning I had my post-op poo (hurrah! Where is that torch smilie?!) and took off dressing and 'incision' is brilliant - I literally couldn't see it confused Still a wee bit bloated and gassy and incision is tight rather than sore at the minute.

So now I'm home and recommending a) peppermint oil in warm water for trapped wind b) sit really well when you are feeding etc as back and shoulders are quite sore - the classic 'new mother' pains from holding bean, bending over to change etc c) if you have CS don't go mad when you are first allowed to move - first movements feel fine but you won't feel them till later that night!

Will write more soon but wanted to send you all a hello and some thanks for being heroic and helpful and lovely - and hope that those of you who are tired and fed up see the beans arrive soon xo

Angelico Fri 28-Sep-12 18:13:36

X-posted Bella smile Feel tired from feeding etc but not too mental just yet, did have a 30 sec crying jag this morning for no obvious reason so assuming this is how the baby hormone thing / tiredness starts to hit... grin Did cry a lot on Wed night with the worse than expected pain but everything has been better since then! Think MrAngelico is in love with all ladies on thread having seen what we go through to bring beans into the world smile x

MrsConfusion Fri 28-Sep-12 18:29:57

Hello ladies, lovely to hear from everyone. Big new mummy wave to Angelico, fab to hear how it all went.

Back from another hospital visit, they've booked an induction for Monday, eeeeeeeek! Got to go in Sunday night for gel, then break waters on Mon am. They had decided this before doing any more blood tests which makes me a bit confused but apparently meds need at least a week to make a difference, and with this liver thing they usually induce once you're past 38 weeks. Just seems so soon! Busy weekend ahead methinks.

Right, off to cook then rewrite birth plan again based on definite induction (unless tonight's dinner of curry and pineapple, followed by foot massage and sex, does anything...). Apparently only 2 of the 13 delivery rooms have windows - not great for a claustrophobic!

Mostly a bit shocked here, so trying to focus really hard on excitement of meeting baby early next week.

bella2012 Fri 28-Sep-12 18:44:52

amazing update angelico thanks so much for all the tips. You have done such a wonderful job. Thrilled for you xxx

londonlivvy Fri 28-Sep-12 19:47:52

oh my, angelico thanks for all the tips and congratulations again. Lovely of you to come in and give us tips when time is, I'm sure, v.precious.

I'm absolutely battered after my day of yoga. oof. But DF has been a superstar and has gone to forage for curry, bless him. Just two more days to go...

huffle v.glad to hear that it sounds like you have a Cunning Plan and I shall send your bean stay-where-you-are vibes for the moment!

MrsC good luck with the induction. I guess if bean is fully cooked then safest to get her out - can empathise with the shock though!

Squid glad you're sounding happier and off for posh dinner. enjoy!

Ahh Hi Angelico- You sound as if you are doing well, good for you! Have you decided on a name yet? Congratulations again.
Yes, where is Lisbeth?

Right Ladies I need your help. DP is totally not interested and not very sentimental... well I suppose he is but in his own way.
So, we're breaking tradition and not having our LO christened, but we have selected godparents, because we have alot of important friends that aren't quite family and well.. I think its just important to us that LO has godparents.
Anyway. Godparents have been selected, and two godfathers, two god mothers, all are over the moon at being asked and are dead excited for the new arrival.
So. I want to buy them all a gift, as a kind of "thankyou for being godparent" and as a special thing for them so that they always know that our LO will love them, etc etc, if you catch my drift.
The two godmothers are my best girl friends. I bought them both a charm bracelet each for their birthdays, so their presents are easy. I simply buy them a charm to go on their bracelets saying "godmother" or something to that effect.
But what do I do for the godfathers? They're not jewellery wearing men, one is a paramedic and the other runs a pub.They're both quite butch really. I'm completely stuck for ideas. DP is happy to buy a mug for each and leave it at that.. but I can't help feeling thats a bit... not crappy, (I love personalised mugs as much as the next person) but not quite.. substantial? enough. I think this is the word I'm looking for. Help!!!!
Hope you are all well- Glad you are feeling better Squid and glad Huffle thaat you are sorted. Thanks for all your comments RE nobber boss. Midget you made me grin

hufflepuffle Fri 28-Sep-12 21:04:35

Hey Angelico!!! Lovely to hear from you!! Well done on your prolific post!! Sounds like u and Beanie getting on splendidly!! Lots of hugs to you both!

MrsC that is all a bit of a roller coaster for you..... Well at least u kno what is happening now, Monday is the big day!! shock

Understandably I'm a bit dazed and confused this eve. DH being super lovely, got us a tasty Chinese for dinner and if I can sit on this ball long enough to help me digest I'll hav a beer!!

Hope to catch u all properly soon


:O http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/1575113-The-embarassing-secrets-your-DC-tell-other-people-about-you?pg=5

Beccus Fri 28-Sep-12 22:25:33

congrats Elpis and Angelico on your new arrivals!! Angelico, u crack me up - you're a couple days post c-section with a new bub to look after, but you still find the time to get on here, updating us on your bowel habits, in true Angelico2poos style smile

kyria, my mat leave starting buddy!!! Isn't it weird?! I have looked forward to this day for so long, and was so happy today and as i left, but i dont think it's hit. It's been such a battle just to survive and get everything done, i dont think i've really thought about the fact that i will not be at work for a year!!!

Squid, glad u r feeling better and taking planktonette's advice -your body probably does needs to chill out and rest some more so it can stickpile the energy it will need for labor. Maybe pampering sessions/the cinema woud be good but restful distractions?

yomping, love the fajno of doom smile our poor vag's - what with unstable pubic symphises, over-enthusiastic perineal massages and a great baby weight squishing down on them, it's no wonder they are a bit sore. The worse is when u stand up after sitting/lying and all the weight gets dumped down there - ouch!

mrsc, bad luck hon. My friend had that as well and she said the itching was mental. She got induced too, but in the end was very happy to have been able to meet her little boy that bit earlier.

fjord, take care of your wrist.

bella, we're due date buddies, so it made me smile to read your post where you said our due date feels far away. To me it feels soon smile I am hoping for a due date or later (but not too late) arrival, so i can enjoy some time before bubs comes

Lizzietow Fri 28-Sep-12 22:25:35

Wow angelico so pleased for you!
mickey yup a fella just doesn't have the imagination to go further than a mug!

ShellWeDance Fri 28-Sep-12 22:38:55

Ah, congrats Angelico, your DH's message was so sweet! Glad everything went relatively OK and you're getting on well with your little one.

Mickey could you get something engraved like a hip flask or a nice silver keyring? Not sure of cost but nice to have something personalised.

hufflepuffle Fri 28-Sep-12 23:13:45

My ankles are like baps.

That is all.

Goodnight! X

MrsConfusion Sat 29-Sep-12 08:25:43

Another phone call from hospital last night, they want me back in this morning for more bloods and monitoring - I'll ask them exactly why when I get there.

Plan for today was a cleaning-fest with my parents, so hope we're not up there too long!

Hugs to all

Planktonette Sat 29-Sep-12 09:26:03

Yay for angelico and mrangelico!!!!! Yay for babyAngelico!

Two days overdue. I think I am Officially Over It.

I have even - prepare your shock faces - done all the filing.

Come on, Squidgy! Time to get out of there! Mummy can't get out of bed safely any more...

Planktonette Sat 29-Sep-12 09:26:50

...*lisbeth*? Do check in when you get the chance, I think we're all starting to fret a little for you dear...

YompingJo Sat 29-Sep-12 11:07:36

Mickey, I was also going to suggest a hipflask or tankard or something, like Shellwedance.

Angelico, glad you are home and it's all going OK so far. Huffle, glad she is on the mend and you have next week sorted. MrsC, blimey! That's a lot to get your head around very quickly. You and Fjord will probably be next then how exciting!

Bella, I'm off right now to register "The Achey Fanjo Crew" as a name for a rock band! I'll do (very bad) vocals and maybe some drumming - who's with me and what instrument would you like to play?

Beccus, god, the standing up. I'm beginning to dread the mornings, first the manoeuvering myself to sitting from lying, then the standing up... ankles and fanjo both groan with horror! Never mind, won't be long now...

LondonLivvy, hope second day is going well - you're nearly half way through! Have a biscuit for energy.

Cherry, yay for 3 days off a week. No idea how you are keeping going!

Well, the BH that I've only just worked out are BH have ramped up today, feels very weird. Not getting excited, am sure it's nothing. And we just had a fox come into our garden from the copse that we back onto, and curl up on a sunny corner of the lawn! He stayed until DH got the big lens on his camera, then he disappeared pronto back into the copse.

Have a good Saturday, everyone xxx

lisbethsopposite Sat 29-Sep-12 11:38:20

Hello all,

I've been reading (and rereading as losing place on phone) for hours.

Girls - Paul was born on Monday the 24th. 6lb 11oz. Placenta would not come so had to go to theatre for epidural and manual removal (lots of blood loss) but all fine. I came home on Thursday evening.

I have loads to tell, and I have 2 pages of notes that I want to talk to you all with your posts, and I have not even read any of the new thread but I will get to it over the weekend.
Who thought having a baby would become a team event ?

Paul crying - post later.

Euphoric Lisabeth here

YompingJo Sat 29-Sep-12 11:48:36

Ahhh, Lisbethsopposite, so very pleased for you! Congratulations! Don't worry about replying to posts on here, just get on with loving your baby boy and enjoying it all :-)

Running away now before I start sobbing with hormones at new babies!

ShellWeDance Sat 29-Sep-12 11:57:05

Congrats Lisbeth, amazing news!

Enjoy your little bundle of joy.

YompingJo Sat 29-Sep-12 11:57:22

List updated and newbies added:

Due Dates:

Sept. 25: Squidkid DC1
Sept. 27: Planktonette DC1
Oct. 1: FjordMor DD1 by planned induction, Gigglewhizz DC1(?),MrsConfusion DC1 by planned induction
Oct. 2: Firstbubba DC1, Milk DC2
Oct. 5: Yomping DC1
Oct. 7: Crazypaving DC2, Violetlights DC1
Oct. 10: WantAnOrange DC2, MidgetM DC2 if induced
Oct. 11: Smileyhappymummy DC2 by ELCS, OnOfMyTurnsComingOn DC3 by VBAC
Oct. 14: Hufflepuffle DC1
Oct. 17: Smorgs DC1
Oct. 18: Bella2012 DC2, Beccus DC1
Oct. 19: Shellwedance DC1
Oct. 20: Beeblebear DC1, MidgetM if ELCS DC2
Oct. 21: Dosomethingmutley DC1
Oct. 26: Londonmrs DC1, Zara1984 DS1, Liege07 DS1
Oct. 28: Kyyria DC1, Loopyla DC1
Oct. 30: Cherrychopsticks DC1
Nov. 1: Londonlivvy DC1
Nov 8: Mickey DC1

Real live babies grin:

Sept. 20: Velo - Max 2.35kg
Sept. 24: Lisbethspposite, Paul 6lb 11oz
Sept. 25: Angelico – DD Mini Angelico, CWest30 - Naomi Louise, 4lb 10oz
Sept. 26: Elpis – DS 3.2kg

Squid, if this is pissing you off, please say. Can understand how seeing name at top might get to you as you are someone who gives yourself an unnecessarily hard time you silly woman. Can leave list be for a while.

hufflepuffle Sat 29-Sep-12 12:56:06

Yay. Lisbeth. !!!!!!!! Congratulations! And welcome baby Paul!!!!!!!! Lovely name, few in my family. Well done fir even trying to catch up!!!

This is a team event indeed!!

Poor DH cleaning life out if our bedroom today. I am quite simply just pooped and cannot help. Eurgh.


firstbubba Sat 29-Sep-12 14:46:50

lisbeth congratulations have to admit I was starting to worry hormone overload here trying not to think about Monday. Xx

Lizzietow Sat 29-Sep-12 15:36:02

Lisbeth congratulations! I look forward to hearing more about your story! yomping would you mind adding me to the list? I'm October 12th.
Had my daughter's 2nd birthday party today at 38 weeks pregnant! Yep I'm knackered.

Kyyria Sat 29-Sep-12 16:02:22

Yay Lisbeth - glad to know that all is well.

Beccus I have to agree that finishing work was weird. Still hasn't sunk in, and probably won't for another week or two! Got a lovely basket of goodies off my admin team, a bunch of flowers, and some vouchers off the Drs and nurses. Quite a few more have said they want to get me something once the LO has arrived which is really nice of them. Came home and wanted to cry - not sure why as I've been so desperate to get out of there!! confused

Will be quite weird next week as DH is away Mon to Fri at a course in Bradford so I'm going to be rattling around the house on my own 24/7. One of my work friends is taking me for lunch on Monday, have got enrollment for final year of uni on Tuesday evening, and then meeting up wig my NT antenatal girlies for lunch on Wednesday so have got a. few things to keep me busy.

Decided to try and install the car seat today to see how it works, and also because it didn't look that complicated. Have managed to skin most of my knuckles trying to get the effing isofix base set up angry

32, 35+6, #1

FjordMor Sat 29-Sep-12 16:07:43

lisbeth so glad to have heard from you at last! smile Congratulations and a big welcome to Paul! smile Also Angelico - congrats and fingers crossed for the blood sugars. Been thinking about you lots. Your DH is an absolute lovely and it was so good to hear your news from him!

Just popping in for a momentary break - I'll have to catch up with your posts better later on. I've never been so busy or done so much physical work (sorting the flat out) in my life. Why you ask - just 2 days before you deliver a baby? Becuase DP is being a total nobber of course and incapable of doing anything or getting his kids to do anything other than lounge around and worry that they won't feel 'safe' if he suddenly subjects them to rules or asks anything of them. Zen has gone and been replaced by non-stop sweat, pain and a feeling of impending doom!!! DP, after a big argument this AM (regrettably in front of the DSDs largely), has now pulled his finger out but is doing everything in very bad grace. I wish we could have not had the DSDs this weekend as we're both 'last minute' people and I should have known it would get intense but this is what I signed up for. I just wish he'd handle them a little better in terms of discipline and communication as I'm powerless in the equation <sigh>. He could also do much to make all of us feel like 'a family' but he doesn't, for some reason. He's only getting round to asking the girls how they really feel about having a new baby sister today.

On the upside, after 24 hours of intensely swollen hand an wrist, painful on the slightest movement, numbness in some fingers, exceedingly poor grip and being quite convinced my wrist was fractured, the swelling went down, the pain subsided (other than the odd twinge) and I am doing everything again. For this, from how things were looking, I feel immensely lucky and grateful. It's like a wee miracle fairy came in the night and sprinkled magic dust on it or something? Perhaps it was 'in shock'? smile

Been having constant supposed 'pre-labour' symptoms: nausea, period-like pain, tightenings, masses of BH, less movement from baby, fluey feelings (although may be something to do with my UTI and antibiotics...) so half-heartedly positive that labour might start before induction on Monday. However, considering the state of animosity at home, I think the 'encourage her along' sex I'd planned is off the agenda - which is sad. I was hoping for a 'last hurrah' as I'll be VERY lucky to get away without an episiotomy and it feels like so long since we;ve had a 'normal' sex life and I worry it will be hard to re-establish sad. Anyhow, did notice a few changes to be made in the list so here goes and I'll catch up later if I get any peace from this lot... (that was right firstbubba wasn't it?).

Are you all ready for definitely 3 new babies on Monday/Tuesday? smile MrsC - I'm quite convinced you will be the first past the post the way things are going! I'll be thinking of you and firstbubba lots.

Due Dates:

Sept. 25: Squidkid DC1
Sept. 27: Planktonette DC1
Oct. 1: FjordMor DD1 by planned induction, Gigglewhizz DC1(?),MrsConfusion DC1 by planned induction, Firstbubba DC1 by planned induction
Oct. 2: Milk DC2
Oct. 5: Yomping DC1
Oct. 7: Crazypaving DC2, Violetlights DC1
Oct. 10: WantAnOrange DC2, MidgetM DC2 if induced
Oct. 11: Smileyhappymummy DC2 by ELCS, OnOfMyTurnsComingOn DC3 by VBAC
Oct. 12: Lizzietow DC2
Oct. 14: Hufflepuffle DC1
Oct. 17: Smorgs DC1
Oct. 18: Bella2012 DC2, Beccus DC1
Oct. 19: Shellwedance DC1
Oct. 20: Beeblebear DC1, MidgetM if ELCS DC2
Oct. 21: Dosomethingmutley DC1
Oct. 26: Londonmrs DC1, Zara1984 DS1, Liege07 DS1
Oct. 28: Kyyria DC1, Loopyla DC1
Oct. 30: Cherrychopsticks DC1
Nov. 1: Londonlivvy DC1
Nov 8: Mickey DC1

Real live babies grin:

Sept. 20: Velo - Max 2.35kg
Sept. 24: Lisbethspposite, Paul 6lb 11oz
Sept. 25: Angelico – DD Mini Angelico, CWest30 - Naomi Louise, 4lb 10oz
Sept. 26: Elpis – DS 3.2kg

Must get off the computer now so DP can translate my birth plan into Norwegian in bad grace!

FjordMor Sat 29-Sep-12 16:08:52

Also a big hello smile to violetlights - nice to see you back...another half Norwegian baby on our list! Hope things are going well!

Planktonette Sat 29-Sep-12 16:11:40

Christ I'm tired.

Elpis Sat 29-Sep-12 16:21:05

Angelico Baby blues just hit me too so if you want to share you are so, so welcome. Burst into tears as in-laws were about to leave after lunch today. Really glad the c-section went well. So have you taken off your dressing? I did today and was too scared to leave the suturing uncovered. Fashioned a new dressing from three small square ones and a length of plaster which is a bit unsatisfactory. Ouch ouch ouch. Sorry, I've posted this on the antenatal thread. Will try and copy over but oh so tired.

Congratulations Lisbeth, sounds like you had a rough time, glad to hear you're home safe and sound! Welcome Paul!
Please don't worry about catching up and replying etc., we just wanted to know you were ok. Take your time and then fill us in on all the gory details thanks

When I read "the list" it sounds like the lineup for the Grand National or something...has to be said John McCririck style. Is it just me? grin

crazypaving Sat 29-Sep-12 18:01:43

Congratulations lisbeth!! Thank you for coming to update us, and hello to Paul! Sorry it sounds like things got a bit scary at the end. I hope you're recovering well and aren't feeling too weak.

Elpis huge sympathies on the tiredness and baby blues. We'll all be there soon enough...

Speaking of which, I was out until 1am last night and then DS was up at 6 confused I am struggling with a capital S today. Sod's law I'll go into labour tonight....it would be a real proper disaster! I need sleep like I can't quite explain. I'm such a nobber for staying out so late. In my defence it was my last night out with some good friends for the foreseeable (ie until we get our evenings back and LO isn't feeding constantly at night. If DS is anything to go by that'll be...oh....too depressing to think about).

Getting BH that actually wake me up at night because they're so powerful and my lungs feel like they're being totally crushed. 32`1

Oh dear DS is ge4tting involved and jealous of computer, gotta go

crazypaving Sat 29-Sep-12 18:42:58

Meant to add - it's a full moon tonight ladies! My osteopath swears the labour wards are always jam packed when it's a full moon.... (disclaimer: he is a nutter)

smileyhappymummy Sat 29-Sep-12 19:46:50

lisbeth big congratulations, Paul is a lovely name too. Glad you are safely back home now, hope you're feeling ok.
elpis, sending you hugs. Baby blues are horrid but they are normal so will get better, be kind and gentle to yourself. Hoping for some sleep for you tonight.
fjord sympathy on dp being a nobber. Could he have picked a worse time?! Hope he will sort himself out over the next day or so and start doing a bit better, and being lovely to you, which is what you deserve. Pleased to hear the miracle fairies have been at the wrist, should make being active a bit easier!
crazy good nights out are important! And should be taken advantage of. Any chance of a lie in / afternoon nap tomorrow - assuming LO stays put! Fingers crossed.....
squid loooaaads of time left for natural labour to happen. Hope you had a lovely dinner. Just keep planning little relaxing treats to keep you going and fill time!
angelico welcome home! Hope you're doing ok.
Mrsc how did it go today?
I've had a nice day but v tired now. Feeling really anxious about elcs, finished work yesterday which is good as I was starting to struggle, but does leave more time for thinking and kind of spoils my strategy of pretending it's all not happening!

Midgetm Sat 29-Sep-12 20:22:36

No energy for a proper catch up but wanted to say congrats to lisbeth and welcome to Paul.

Also a quick check in to see how Mrsc is getting on.

Back from the party. Sweet Jesus I am mental and need shooting. 28 children, one fat sweaty flushed lady = bad combo. Still DD had a lovely time. I feel like I have worked out all day. Totally knackered, feel like I have the flu and totally freaking out that the full moon may make the baby come tonight when I am still knackered from that stupid sodding party.

I must sleep and dream of helium balloons and bouncy castles. And wine.

Angelico Sat 29-Sep-12 20:30:14

Hi ladies, will prob just re-post this on the other thread too, so tired. Lisbeth so happy all is well - congratulations. Sending love to you all and special love to Fjord wrestling with the blood sugar stuff too (I will happily kick your DP in the balls for you if he presents them grin) and to Elpis - know how you're feeling.

So I know you are desperate for beans to arrive but PLEASE enjoy whatever sleep you can while you still can. We had a brill day yesterday followed by a hellish night where bean would not sleep but fed constantly till I was exhausted and aching. Poor DH went without sleep all night so I could get 3 hours this morning which saved me from the nuthouse. Beanie is so cute but my God last night there was a moment when I looked at her and thought, "You are a fiend who has somehow taken this angelic baby form!!!" confused The tiredness is amazing and her latch on for fourth feed of night made me weep.

And don't even get me started on my cannon ball boobs (milk well and truly in) or the poo that took FIFTEEN MINUTES to emerge today and was the consistency of rubber cement... DRINK YOUR FLUIDS POST-BEAN LADIES!!! Especially if you are breastfeeding, finally realising why they tell you this stuff...!

My 'me time' quota has been used up sad - DH and I are going to eat and attempt to sleep while granny and grandad watch Beanie. Sorry this is so me, me, me but I feel like I must share new found wisdom like "Sleep while you can!!! Eat prunes and drink lots of water!!!"

Night all xo

Elpis Sat 29-Sep-12 20:51:12

Angelico I have warned DH that he may be calling out Dyno-Rod tomorrow. You are so right. This is my body's revenge for being too scared to push and opting for an ELCS this time round.

smileyhappymummy All that said, I was surprised by just how easy the op itself was. And I had the best anaesthetist in the world - I hope yours is just as good. Had very little to do with the surgeon herself, which I suppose makes sense.

smileyhappymummy Sat 29-Sep-12 20:59:16

Yes, I vividly remember the First Poo post section last time. Not a happy memory! Not sure who the anaesthetist will be for my section but I do know the consultant - same man who did my emergency section last time around and was absolutely amazing, also I think probably the best obstetric surgeon at that hospital, which is reassuring. One of the more bizarre aspects of last time around was that I had just done my obs and gynae job before going on mat leave and this consultant had been my boss.... There are not many scenarios in which it is acceptable or normal to hear your boss of a month ago saying "sorry smiley, just struggling a bit to find your cervix"! Very surreal.

MrsConfusion Sat 29-Sep-12 21:27:45

Many congratulations*lisbeth*, so glad to hear of the safe arrival of Paul and hope you were well looked after with the placenta issues. thanks and hugs to all the family.

Angelico and elpis, hang in there through the tough days/nights/hours, really good to hear from you esp to hear about the tough bits and pass on the top tips - you're amazing to even think about warning us about hormone crashes and poos-of-doom while going through these first days. As ever I'm touched and amazed by the support on this thread.

This morning turned into another 2.5hrs up at the hospital, lots more monitoring of bean (they are still happy all's well there, and indeed today I've had more movements than every before and feel black and blue from all in pumelling). My bloods not too hot though, the bile acid levels had doubled between Weds and Fri, so they've taken yet more bloods today to see if it's still going up at that rate. Going in tomorrow afternoon, plan is to start first phase of induction (gel) overnight, then break my waters 8am on Monday and on from there. Eeeeeeeeeeeeek.

My parents very kindly came down today and blitzed the house to get it clean, while I was being useless due to back pain and generally feeling itchy and sore and rubbish (ironically first time I've felt poorly in a way that doesn't feel pregnancy related) and DH was desperately trying to write the lectures he needs to hand over to other people to deliver next week. He's still at it but promises to finish tonight so tomorrow we can just focus on what's coming. Had bit of a meltdown during the day that involved shouting at my Mum that I can't make all the decisions in the world (apologised profusely afterwards and felt like total evil b*tch), but mostly it all feels rather unreal.

Sorry, all a bit me me me this one. Yikes, this baby is actually going to arrive soon, can't quite believe it!

Lots of love to all, hope those running overdue are being kind to themselves (squid that means you love) and the new arrivals are settling into family life.

FjordMor Sat 29-Sep-12 21:28:16

Thanks for words of support ladies. Still hoping to get on to catch up properly after finishing my ironing (yes, ironing now hmm) - I'm on the phone right now.

Thanks to crazy for posting about the full moon stuff! Without knowing, spent most of the time since my last post thinking I was in labour (except it was weird - one long contraction - constant pain and when I breathed out slowly to manage it, felt sense of LO 'moving down' shock)! Hope your bean hangs on in there - feeling for you with the symptoms & uncertainty.

Then after several hours, it's all fine & she is writhing around & river dancing like usual. Hoping I don't go into labour tonight now as I'd be worried about getting a room! Have a feeling it might come on tomorrow though - which would be great to avoid the induction process on Monday.

Angelico - you're doing amazingly! All tips noted!!

MrsConfusion Sat 29-Sep-12 21:32:49

Hey Fjord and firstbubba just realised we're induction-buddies!

Really interested in the full moon thing, several midwives have mentioned how busy it's been in delivery suite over the last few days, and another of the NCT girls who was due to be induced on Thursday was still waiting at lunchtime today due to delivery suite being full - so maybe there's something in it! (or everyone in Oxford was bonking like crazy 9 months ago...)

Lizzietow Sat 29-Sep-12 21:54:28

Oooh that's interesting crazy about the full moon thing! Tho pls don't let it be tonight! Too shattered after DD's 2nd birthday party. Why are kids parties so bloody exhausting?! My right leg nearly collapsed under me earlier and I have serious right buttock ache. DH has bloody gone out on an 'ale trail', too. Lucky him.
I'm so owed some passes out when I'm actually able to go out again.

bella2012 Sat 29-Sep-12 21:54:34

hey chums,

chuffed to bits for lisbeth and little Paul! Congratulations!! Thanks for popping in to let us know.

angelico and elpis can totally remember and empathise with the absolute relentlessness of the forst few days and weeks. Please rest assured that it does get easier! (elpis-sorry I can not remember if this is your second?) sounds like you are both doing an amazing job. Much love to you both and fingers crossed that the little ones work out their days and nights before long.

I have had such a lovely day Christmas shopping in York with my lovely Mum. Trying to get organised as I know I will be tad busy in the next few weeks! We had such a laugh and a lovely lunch out. I think I have overdone the amount of walking as am really suffering now. Also, when we got to the train station, our train was delayed by 88 minutes so we decided to get on another Newcastle bound train. The platform was really busy and just as I headed for the only available seat, bump proudly on show, this horrible woman raced in front of me and sat down! So rude! And then on the train the conductor said our tickets weren't valid and we needed to buy new ones! I was about to blub and he said 'actually, I can see you are heavily pregnant and why you didn't want to wait, so lets say no more about it'. Faith in humanity- RESTORED!

bella2012 Sat 29-Sep-12 22:15:26

x-posted there with millions of peeople as it took me ages to write all of that on my phone (and to over-use the word lovely in spectacular fashion)

fjord poor you. What a lot you are having to cope with all at once. Your DP really needs to make sure he is totally there for you right now and not doing things with bad grace. God knows you are doing enough with all the pregnancy related woes and dealing with GD and DSDs and your flat etc etc... Hopefully he will come round and make up for it all once things really kick off!

mrsc you are doing so well coping with your symptoms and all this monitoring etc., you are entitaled to the odd meltdown- I am sure your Mum will understand.

kyria hurrah for you finishing work. It is such a weird feeling isn't it? Real mixed emotions.

Kyyria Sat 29-Sep-12 22:45:38

The world's biggest spider is hiding under the bookcase. Waiting for it to pop out again so DH can catch it...don't know if a pint glass will be big enough! confused

The problem with being 8 months pregnant is that in order to maintain a state of cat-like readiness I am now standing by the nearest exit ready to run as I don't think I could get off the settee fast enough if it scuttled towards me!! hmm confused

LoopyLa Sun 30-Sep-12 07:02:34

Morning Ladies, how are we all?

Love love love waking up at 5am every morning, whether its the weekend or not! hmm Angelico definitely appreciate the advice but I've not slept properly for months (averaging around 5 hrs a night) so telling myself I'm just preparing for baby's arrival because I'm naive like that

MrsC is Oxford where you currently hail from? I used to live in Wantage & a village nr Abingdon as a child, love the area so much smile

Sorry I've not name checked much on this one, t'is tricky on the phone...

Hope everyone has relaxing Sundays & for those who have gorgeous babies (envy btw!) hope they give you a wee break for some napping time.

36 weeks shock!!! Where's the time gone??? Just 5 days left of work WAHOO!

smileyhappymummy Sun 30-Sep-12 07:49:21

bella I was in York yesterday too pottering about - wonder if I saw you at all?! Hurrah for nice conductors, that's how it should be.
Slept predictably badly with a painful leg cramp thrown in for good measure - but never mind! Dd very happy because today is the last day of September and she knows the baby is coming in October - her excitement is just lovely and rather infectious.

Kyyria Sun 30-Sep-12 07:50:57

Morning loopy <waves>

I too have been awake since stupid o'clock. Like you say, think the last time I had a decent night's sleep was about 5 months ago! Am hoping that once LO is here that although sleep will still be disturb it will be.a better quality sleep when I get it.

He's turned around at the moment (now lying with his bum and back right down the middle of my tummy with his arms and legs towards my back) so I'm no longer getting kicks and punches, but what I am getting is all the wriggling/squirming movements. Wish he'd move back to where he was before (was on my left side with his arms and legs going across towards my right hip) as I prefer the kicks/punches to the wriggles!

Nothing much planned for the day. Think it's going to be a lazy one with opportunistic snoozing smile

Like you say loopy - 36 weeks today! We're getting closer! Don't know about you but feeling a tiny bit jealous that we've got to wait right until the end of October, possibly the start of November, before meeting our little beans...

Zara1984 Sun 30-Sep-12 08:07:55

Morning all and congrats lisbeth! Paul is a lovely name, I really like it! smile

Yesterday I had my baby shower/baby party - a nice sedate high tea with champagne at a lovely restaurant in the city. I had told people not to buy pressies cos baby showers are not common here like at home I know and really I just wanted to have nice tea & cake and hang out with everyone. But everyone did buy something, just small things mostly hand creams etc for me - I was blush but very very grateful of course!! It was nice to get dressed up smile - of course I was too busy scarfing coronation chicken club sandwiches & scones to take a picture of myself!

Then in the evening I went to a friend's Ann Summers party grin it was hilarious! I won lots of prizes including a vibrator grin grin

Happy Sunday everyone! 36 + 2 today

Angelico Sun 30-Sep-12 09:18:43

Okay ladies 3 words which may save your marbles from deserting you altogether... Baby Whisperer Book. NOT because you might immediately want to put your baby on some kind of routine but because after the 8 hour screamathon on Fri night I read through some of the stuff yesterday and great tips for OBSERVING the baby and the various 'cues' / warning signs that they might be getting tired / avoiding meltdown. Also some good stuff on sleep which while not foolproof meant we 'only' had 2 hours of maggoting about last night when she got tired, we changed her nappy and she then went mental because she was so over-tired that she couldn't sleep. I actually slept from 03:45 till 07:45! shock And she only fed at 11.30pm, 02:50 and then not again until 08:15 this morning! shock

Angelico Sun 30-Sep-12 09:20:39

CS people who had one before: how long does it take before you can cough without feeling like your body is going to split in 2? And are you finding the incision gives no bother at all, it's higher up where they 'retracted' you that hurts? My sore bit is about a centimetre below tummy button where doc said they used retractors to get head out. Is this sounding familiar to anyone?

Beccus Sun 30-Sep-12 09:38:04

congrats, lisbeth on the arrival of little paul, glad to hear u r ok.
Angelico, u r such a gem to be posting all these bits of advice to us. I'm getting on amazon to get baby whisperer!
crazy, i am tired too. I had a hen do yesterday, and militant b/f gave me an 11pm curfew as he thinks i am rushing about too much and need to be resting more. I left dinner at 930 feeling full of beans, but was absolutely shattered when i got home just after 11.....who knew he was actually right smile

firstbubba Sun 30-Sep-12 09:55:32

angelico i imvested in both baby whisper and whisper for toddlers cheaply from Amazon a few weeks ago uet tomread them. Struggling muchly witth a cold which for an asthmatic has kept me up half the night and likely to be a chest infection
Very tired today and due in hospital tomorrow

Congratulations Lisbeth on your LO's arrival!! I was starting to worry. Hope you are feeling better now and looking forward to seeing your future posts.
Angelico hope you start to recover soon... searching "the baby whisperer" right now!!!

Thanks for all the lovely ideas RE Godparent Gifts.. Keep 'em coming ladies!!

Good Luck to those being induced today/tomorrow. The prospect of another 6 weeks is killing me.

Mickey, 34+3, Fat and Uncomfy.

WantAnOrange Sun 30-Sep-12 10:27:20



WantAnOrange Sun 30-Sep-12 10:28:48

Angelico it sounds like you are doing a great job. That sounds like sound advice, glad you are getting some sleep.

WantAn!!!!!! How exciting!!!!!!!

bella2012 Sun 30-Sep-12 10:55:03

bloody hell wantan!! Good luck lady! Xxx

smiley did you have a nice day? I love york so much. Did you go to the food market? We got loads of yummy treats. It was bliss. Got crazily bad leg pain last night though and for some reason, my legs were rubbing together as I was walking so that is quite sore too! yomping I thought of you at this point (hope you don't mind me saying this?) as I remember you sharing a similar experience in London. As you said about the fanko of doom, wouldn't wish it on anyone else, but glad to know i am not alone!

Katla Sun 30-Sep-12 11:08:10

Hello, have added self to the list smile - 4th October.

Due Dates:

Sept. 25: Squidkid DC1
Sept. 27: Planktonette DC1
Oct. 1: FjordMor DD1 by planned induction, Gigglewhizz DC1(?),MrsConfusion DC1 by planned induction, Firstbubba DC1 by planned induction
Oct. 2: Milk DC2
Oct. 4: Katla DC1
Oct. 5: Yomping DC1
Oct. 7: Crazypaving DC2, Violetlights DC1
Oct. 10: WantAnOrange DC2, MidgetM DC2 if induced
Oct. 11: Smileyhappymummy DC2 by ELCS, OnOfMyTurnsComingOn DC3 by VBAC
Oct. 12: Lizzietow DC2
Oct. 14: Hufflepuffle DC1
Oct. 17: Smorgs DC1
Oct. 18: Bella2012 DC2, Beccus DC1
Oct. 19: Shellwedance DC1
Oct. 20: Beeblebear DC1, MidgetM if ELCS DC2
Oct. 21: Dosomethingmutley DC1
Oct. 26: Londonmrs DC1, Zara1984 DS1, Liege07 DS1
Oct. 28: Kyyria DC1, Loopyla DC1
Oct. 30: Cherrychopsticks DC1
Nov. 1: Londonlivvy DC1
Nov 8: Mickey DC1

Real live babies grin:

Sept. 20: Velo - Max 2.35kg
Sept. 24: Lisbethspposite, Paul 6lb 11oz
Sept. 25: Angelico – DD Mini Angelico, CWest30 - Naomi Louise, 4lb 10oz
Sept. 26: Elpis – DS 3.2kg

Lizzietow Sun 30-Sep-12 11:11:36

How exciting wantan! Jealous smile

WantAnOrange Sun 30-Sep-12 11:22:00

Nothings happening hmm What do I do now? lol. confused

Katla Sun 30-Sep-12 11:26:49

Morning and congrats to those whose babies have arrived. I've been an avid reader of everyone's news but first time for ages I've had laptop out to type a message as can't be bothered typing on phone.

I am not even due yet - but each day feel disappointed that nothing is happening yet - I'm so tired and sore in the last few days although I have had a very easy pregnancy up to now. I can't tell if it's BH or baby rolling/pushing around inside - I can't believe how strong the baby can push out - like it's trying to do star jumps.

The baby seems to have changed position yesterday and s/he feels enormous and hard (must be it's back/bottom outwards now rather than sideways) - I'm so scared how something that size is ever going to squeeze out of me... but I'd rather be getting on with it pretty please smile

Have a lovely Sunday everyone brew

Katla, 33yrs, DC1 39+3

Katla Sun 30-Sep-12 11:29:31

Lucky you WantAn

Do you phone your hospital now?!

WantAnOrange Sun 30-Sep-12 11:32:20

I phoned them a little while ago, and they said to phone back when my contractions are regular and about 7 minutes apart. I'm not having any contractions though. Well I am, but they are painless, like BH.

If nothing happens then I'll be induced tomorrow because it's not safe to keep baby in there after waters have gone for more than (I think) 48 hours.

DH is very stressed, it's quite entertaining!

Elpis Sun 30-Sep-12 11:44:23

Angelico My scar hurt both times at the edges rather than above the incision. As for coughing, it's a bit better today. Have you tried holding a hand/cushion over it? But given how much our internal organs have been rearranged I am not surprised at a certain amount of variation!

LoopyLa Sun 30-Sep-12 13:09:48

Oh my god Wantan that's so exciting!!! Hope things happen for you soon!

hufflepuffle Sun 30-Sep-12 13:10:27

aargh! Wantanorange !!!! 10 second check in before I run out the door, glad I did!!! Good luck!!! U will prob still be hanging about on my return this eve, but still, AARGH!!! Hugs! X

hufflepuffle Sun 30-Sep-12 13:11:25

Oops, that sounded bad, obviously hope things happen q quick and u not still here this eve........ All the best!! Xx

LoopyLa Sun 30-Sep-12 13:12:37

And Kyrria so envy with all the babies appearing so glad I have a due date buddy to share the jeal

LoopyLa Sun 30-Sep-12 13:13:44

And Kyrria so envy with all the babies appearing so glad I have a due date buddy to share the jealousy with grin Now don't you be early too otherwise we may fall out wink

squidkid Sun 30-Sep-12 13:26:19


Baby squid born at 5.30am this morning after my waters broke midnight on Friday. It was a very tough and long labour but I did it all and delivered at home this morning. On paper it was a good birth - at home, did it all on TENS and gas and air, didn't even tear - but I massively struggled and thought I was going to die!! Around midnight I was begging to be taken to the hospital for epidurals and sections and anything else I could think of...!

I am totally sleep deprived but here with baby Jess in my arms and that makes it all ok. She is breastfeeding beautifully already. Yes I had a little girl... she is 7lb exactly and totally gorgeous, looks like her dad. She has black hair same as I did as a baby.

More details to follow. So tired.

Midgetm Sun 30-Sep-12 13:41:25

Congratulations squid and jess so happy for you. happy you got the home birth you wanted despite the momentary cracking, everyone does that I think

No chance to catch up properly as at hospital on my phone but didn't want to miss a birth announcement. Managed to get some kind of raging infection who would think running around after 28 kids would make a pregnant woman ill eh?

ShellWeDance Sun 30-Sep-12 14:05:09

Good luck Wantan hope things start kicking off for you.

Ah Squid congrats! So glad it finally happened and you sound like a proper trooper. You should be very proud that you got the birth you wanted, particularly when it sounds so tough.

ShellWeDance Sun 30-Sep-12 14:06:47

Oh and hope you're OK Midget, poor you.

Angelico started reading Baby Whisperer on Friday so glad it comes recommended!

WantAnOrange Sun 30-Sep-12 14:14:27

Congratulations Squid!!!!!!!

My waters went four hours ago and nothing else has happened yet! I am getting worried, and fed up!

Lizzietow Sun 30-Sep-12 14:15:22

wantan what have the hospital said about that? I thought once your waters break they often just tell you to go in..

WantAnOrange Sun 30-Sep-12 14:23:50

Well I'm planning a home birth so hopefully won't be going to hospital at all but, they said if nothing happens naturally they would send the midwife this afternoon to check that my waters have actually gone (as if it's just a random leak! hmm) and then if nothing has happened by tomorrow I'll have to go in and be induced. I really hope it happens naturally.

bella2012 Sun 30-Sep-12 14:41:01

ah wow squid CONGRATULATIONS! That is wonderful. Well done for getting through a difficult labour. So glad you got it all the way you wanted after all your worrying. Glad bf is going well so far too.

wantan really feel for you! You must feel so strange knowing it is coming, but not sure when things will start! We are all here for you if we can be of any support while you wait for things to get going xx

midget you poor thing-what infection? Are you ok?

Kyyria Sun 30-Sep-12 14:45:21

Yay for squid grin and keeping everything crossed for wantan x

Wow, congratulations Squid, and welcome beautiful baby Jess! Such a lovely name. You must be over the moon thanks smile
You were our first real surprise I think! Hope you get some rest and recover well over the next few days and we'll look forward to hearing more details when you've settled in a bit more.

Wantan!!! Good luck! Hope your contractions start ASAP, and bubs slips out painlessly in the next couple of hours! grin Will be thinking of you.

Feel better soon Midget!

Welcome Katia!

Thanks for the great tips, Angelico. Sorry I can't help about the pain/scar, except to say get lots of rest (like that's possible!), eat plenty of fruit and veg and...er...drink lots of water. That's my mum's solution for everything, so you'll be right as rain in no time grin

Lots of shopping, walking in the pool swimming, and cooking of fabulous roasts for me today. Pleasantly tired.

Good luck with everything for tomorrow Fjord, MrsC and FirstBubba. Hope it all goes fantastically, looking forward to hearing all your news.

By tomorrow, nearly a third of the thread will have had their babies, and it's only October 1st shock

Right, off to bed for me. Busy week at work next week - open class, so all the mums are coming to watch their little darlings. Whose great idea was that? confused

Night all.

FjordMor Sun 30-Sep-12 14:50:22

WantAn!! News please! Thank god you’re not here in Norway – recent advice we’ve all been given says if your waters break before contractions, you must lie down immediately and get an ambulance to hospital – something about potential cord complications or something – but no-one has ever heard the like of it before. My instinct would be to pop a pad in and drive myself wink but please don't take advice from me, I'm an ignorant nobber wink.

squid - congratulations!! smile You’ve done amazingly! What a hero! Welcome to baby Jess and please let us know how you are and more about it when you’ve had a good rest x

Attempting a proper catch up (and it'll be a two-parter to save your sanity!) since I have nothing to do but sit at my computer the day before my labour to try and avoid feeling tense as I’m feeling quite ‘uncomfortable in my own home’ today with the DSDs here and don’t really have anywhere else to go. I’d kill for a bit of ‘space’ just to get zen, think positive and look forward to meeting the LO but right now I just feel depressed about what kind of life I’m bringing her into.

Anyway, so if some of these responses are old, I’ve gone back to the previous thread to make sure I didn’t miss any comments I’d been hoping to make.

midget - Boo to your infection!! Can’t believe you’re a) still working and b) did that party for DD. You are a total legend for a not so young bird! Hope your hospital visit isn’t a long one. I’m always inspired how you’ve taken so many ups and downs in your pregnancy in your stride…or at least in good humour.
Thanks as always for your encouraging words before. I seem to have stopped being zen fjordmumma – I now feel like incredibly down, very miserable ‘fjordnotreadytobeamumma – atleastnotherenotnownotunderthecurrentcircumstances’ …or something sad. DSDs and how we live they are allowed to live are really getting me down. I so wanted a day to relax and chill and gather my thoughts about my impending birth and now I just feel like I’ve got nowhere to go and crowded out of ‘my own home’ by indifference. This is not where I imagined I would ‘be’ the day before giving birth. I want to keep her inside to protect her somehow sad. I was trying to take solace that the sudden drastic change of mood might be a hormonal swing indicating imminent labour…but no such luck and now I’m glad and feel like kicking and screaming and refusing induction tomorrow sad. Anyway, enough ‘me, me, me’ – get out of hospital soon please and feel much better (and no more overdoing it!).

londonlivvy - sorry to hear that DF is being a bit of a nobber about the wedding prep. It is my experience of most men that whilst they’re perfectly happy to get married, nothing to do with the arranging of the day leaves them other than cold (other than the odd, strange control-freak kind of chap…the same kind that wants to buy all a woman’s clothes for her). Hope the rest of the course went well.

yomping - I am in awe and very envy of how involved and organised your DH is being. Mine even promised to translate my birth plan into Norwegian but hasn’t finished it yet – and it’s tomorrow and his kids are here so I guess I’ll have to cope without one (sorry – feeling on a downer about having this baby at the moment – perhaps I shouldn’t be posting at all…). Hope the aching fanjo of doom is not bothering you too much. I have some days where I know exactly what you mean with that, but thankfully, not all days.

Kyyria - I hear you on the name issues. DP doesn’t even make the time for me to sit down and discuss it properly with him although he asks me at moments when we haven’t got time to discuss it properly, then gets narked that I won’t talk about it then. It’s so important to me as I want to name our LO after my late father’s mother as I feel like there is nothing left of that side of my family but I have worked out a way to compromise so the name is ‘Norwegianified’ and he has the choice of the 2nd part of it from a (very) long list and perhaps to use his mother’s name as a middle name?

Part 2 on the way...

FjordMor Sun 30-Sep-12 14:55:28

MrsConfusion - how are you getting on with the baby monitoring? I do think of you a great deal since your diagnosis. From your comments thus far it sounds like you’ve taken it pretty much in your stride and are coping very well. I had much longer to come to terms with managing my ‘complications’ – I think you’ve taken it amazingly! smile (Top parents you have btw!).

hufflepuffle - I’m so sorry about your work situation! I can’t even imagine…I usually avoid commenting on people’s work stuff since I’ve been unemployed for a long time (after leaving my job to move to Norway then ending up caring full time for my dying father) and feel scarcely qualified to pass comment. I have dipped my toe into a freelance career here and am likely to be self-employed and I do relate to the fact that if I had a lot of work coming in, I wouldn’t be able to turn it down, however I felt or possibly watch my business and client base go under. I hope your locum makes a speedy recovery!

In fact my thoughts go out to everyone still working…I think you’re all legends. As a knackered unfit old bird I have no idea how I would have coped! Also thanks to everyone sending me sympathy etc about my fall and nobber DP – sorry not to name check you all but I do read all your posts and feel very comforted by your thoughts and support! smile

Zara - I bought a secondhand Baby Bjorn bouncer here after being told by so many people that it was the singular best baby buy they had made! I’m already convinced it’s going to be a godsend for my incredibly active baby who can bounce and dance in it until she sends herself off to sleep!

Angelico - a friend lent me the baby whisperer book who had found it really helpful so I’m going to use it as a guide. Seems to have a lot of good, intuitive advice. Nice to hear some of the tips working for you first hand! Sounds like you’re getting the hang of things with Mini Angelico very well! smile

Katla hello smile. That does sound like a ‘back to front’, good position. If you get a hard bulge sticking out occasionally that’s probably a butt/hip.

Right – off back to hide in the bedroom and wish some mysterious play date would materialise and take the DSDs out of the flat. Actually have just heard MIL is back from her weekend away early, after worrying about me - awwwww - so might quietly insist DP drop the DSDs over there for at least a few hours.. so I can attempt to find some positivity/calm/zen before what might be a marathon induction session. Sorry for epic catch-up post à la me. But not sure when I’ll meaningfully get on next (later on probably grin but after that??).

P.S. I am a bitch stepmother...and I know it sad but hey, it's hard to cope with kids you have no jurisdiction over yet get to run your life.

WantAnOrange Sun 30-Sep-12 15:02:05

Fjordmor Me and DH are having at good laugh at "lie down and call an ambulance!" My waters went first in my first labour too, think it's just the way my body does things. The only risks I'm aware of, are the risk of infection.

I am still waiting. I have some very low level back ache and occasional contractions that feel more like BH. Might go for a walk up and down the street, see if things hurry up.

Am very anxious about things not happening now. I don't want DS to have to stay away to long. He was whisked off to grandparents this morning.

MrsConfusion Sun 30-Sep-12 15:15:59

Many congratulations squid, and welcome to Jess - so proud of you for battling through at home. You're amazing!

midget boo to being in hosp and infection, hope it clears soon and you're home.

wantan hope the walk speeds things up, all very best, will be thinking of you and all the other induction buddies today/tomorrow.

About to leave for hospital, think I'm packed but can't quite work out what will be needed when. It all still feels rather unreal but me and DH are talking well, and will try to stay in our own bubble...

Love to all. X

bella2012 Sun 30-Sep-12 15:37:50

good luck fjord mrsC and firstbubba. Will be thinking of you all tomorrow! Xxx

LoopyLa Sun 30-Sep-12 16:21:12

Congratulations Squid!! thanks thanks

Midgetm Sun 30-Sep-12 16:30:20

Thinking of all the inductions tomorrow. I honestly think there is a lot to be said for having certainty around when your babies are coming. I hope your births are as quick as my induction was and that you have those babies in your arms soon. I will be sending you all good vibes from midget towers. And can't wait to hear how you get on as I am still hopelessly undecided on my birth options.

I am back in bed with DD, antibiotics and pain killered up to the hilt. No certainty over what infection is but bloody painful and urine off the charts,so waiting for the lab results which takes a couple of days. Have to go back if the pain gets worse or start contracting. At the moment pain more like period and back so hope I can stay away. Thanks for all your well wishes.

Wantan very exciting, hope you can get it all moving and avoid a trip in. Come out baby orange your time is up.

Fjord you deserve some r n r today. That makes you a good mamma not a bad stepmamma. Totally natural. I do hope you can get some peace and rest your mind. I am so knackered and feel like pants that I have been forced Into entering an uncharacteristic zen like state so I am sending some of it your way does watching the fix and the hound with dd in bed count as zen?

Can't catch up anymore as on my phone so can't scroll back. A third of babies already and we aren't even into October? Bloody bloody hell!

Planktonette Sun 30-Sep-12 16:46:38

Yay squid!

Now I am the top of the list... confused

smileyhappymummy Sun 30-Sep-12 16:53:18

squid congratulations! So glad baby jess is here, well done you on a long labour and getting through it. Glad feeding is going well, hope you get some sleep at some point today. You have done brilliantly.
wantan hope something starts happening soon and all goes to plan at home, will be thinking of you today.
angelico took quite a while for scar to stop hurting for me last time and had bruising all over my stomach - but wasn't a straightforward section so may be better for you. Think the best advice I can give is to keep up with painkillers and laxatives so you stay on top of pain and don't get constipated!
bella had a fab day in York, was too knackered and sore to do much walking so didn't see much of the food fair but did go to the viking centre with dd ( have a years pass, she is obsessed with it) and to Betty's for tea and cake (I am obsessed with tea and cake!)
firstbubba hope you're feeling better soon and hope you get chest sorted, miserable to be poorly especially now.
zara glad you enjoyed your baby shower sounds utterly gorgeous!

Angelico Sun 30-Sep-12 17:03:51

Yay!!! Another bean!!! Congrats Squid and Baby Squid thanks grin So pleased for you that the waiting is over - and for goodness sake be kind to yourself, don't expect yourself to be super-human and take every scrap of help that is offered, especially if it gives you an hour to sleep - it will save your sanity x

Wantan what's happening?! This is so exciting!!! Another imminent bean!!! Ditto Fjord, MrsC and firstbubba - hope that's everyone, good luck! thanks

Midget hope you are okay?

Thanks for CS tips ladies - Elpis whatever you are going through I feel your pain, literally! Sore today - maybe because I did some of those post-natal pelvic tilt things. CWest how are things going with you? Hope all is well.

I love checking in here, it's like a 5 minute reminder of my old life...!!! Hugs to you all xo

Angelico Sun 30-Sep-12 17:05:38

Thanks Smiley, I don't even feel the incision, it's all higher up that hurts. Mum (former theatre nurse) gave an eye watering account of retracting hooks in abdominal surgery...

Beeblebear Sun 30-Sep-12 17:19:10

Yay squid!!!!! Congratulations! So glad ypu have your little one n your arms. Can't wait to hear the whole story.

WantAnOrange Sun 30-Sep-12 17:43:43

Midwife just came round and agreed that waters have definately gone. Still nothing else happening though, so the plan is to go in and be induced tomorrow, which is a pain but she told me what would be happening and I feel ok about it. Going to order a curry and watch X factor, and try a get some decent sleep (last chance!).

There is a still a chance it could happen naturally tonight.

Who else is being induced tomorrow?

londonlivvy Sun 30-Sep-12 17:44:06

Oh squid well done you! That's tremendous news and a home birth too. Hats off to you.

fjord thanks for words of encouragement re wedding planning. Will need to get on that tomorrow. I feel for you. Step parenting is a tricky, tricky thing.*hugs*. Hopefully birth goes ok and a wonderful new bean will win everyone round. And re names, you can always discuss post birth? I am hoping to be in a strong negotiating position at that point (him having seen what I have to do to bring his daughter into the world) to get my first choice from our agreed shortlist....

Good luck too to Mrs confusion and first bubba
Hope it all happens soon wantan

angelico my mother is known for sending laxitives to friends who are about to have a baby, to facilitate that first movement, as it were... glad she isnt totally mad! And I bought the baby whisperer back in June on someone's recommendation (i forget who, sorry) and found it the only book that made sense to me. I must re read it tho!

I forget who it was who's working 12 hours in a shop (am on phone so tricky to check and baby brain limited) - mickey? Midget? but you're a bloody legend!

I was so tired after my course yesterday that I didn't even have the energy to take my coat off before collapsing on the sofa. I went to bed at 9. Rock and roll. This morning I set off to walk to the station and then had a OH GOD moment as I remembered there are no trains that early so ran back in, woke DF who said to take the car to the nearest town. I then had to find the station (we've recently moved you see) and work out the parking and now am on my way back to see if I screwed up andx have a massive fine. Fingers crossed!

I am delighted to have finished the course and think the exam went ok. Just the rest of the coursework to do and send in before I am fully qualified. Oof. This was a tough call this late in pregnancy but I'm glad I did it as really don't know when else I would be able to do it.

The post natal yoga stuff has been a real eye opener for me. Ladies, if you are sporty types then please please take it very steady and gentle when you start being active again. No running til your internal muscle support system is functioning again!

Sorry to anyone I've missed. I wanted to check in on the way home so that I actually invest some energy in DF when I get home as he's been so supportive this weekend.

crazypaving Sun 30-Sep-12 17:47:10

Congratulations squid! Labour's a funny thing, isn't it - so so so many women do it every day, so you think "how bad can it be, I can surely handle it if everyone else can?" And then it hits you like a freaking freight train. Hope you get some sleep over the coming days and nights. Welcome to the world Jess!!

Midget hope you're ok, that sounds horrendous sad You need a supermum emoticon!

Wantan VERY exciting! In my area they're very relaxed about waters breaking. Can't remember exactly what they advised blush but remember being surprised by quite how relaxed it was. Good luck, look forward to hearing about MiniOrange VERY SOON!!!

Fjord I think you're superstepmum for having your DSDs on your last weekend before having a baby confused You have absolutely nothing to beat yourself up for.

Good luck to all those going in tomorrow! More baby birthdays!

Am 39wks today, a bit fed up, very tired. Feel a bit stuck between a rock and a hard place - not enjoying pg but dreading teh early weeks with a newborn. I know that's not how I ought to be feeling but I can't help it sad I am at least now thinking I want the anticipation over and I want to get stuck into the early weeks to get them over and done with! That's positive, right?? Sorry, probably shouldn't be talking like this on an antenatal thread...

Currently feels like BabyPaving is trying to push his/her way out via my bladder so must dash!

crazypaving Sun 30-Sep-12 17:48:14

WantAnOrange is your baby going to be called satsuma or tangerine? grin Sorry, lame arse sense of humour alert...

WantAnOrange Sun 30-Sep-12 17:55:08

Very witty!

It is making smile because when DS was born he had jaundice and strawberry blonde hair, and therefore did actually look like a satsuma!

hufflepuffle Sun 30-Sep-12 17:59:21

Yay Squid !!!!!!!! Congratulations!!!!! Welcome baby Jess!!! Aww, so pleased for you to gef thru it all at home, sounds like hard work!!!!! Enjoy the loveliness and bonding, next few days will be mega tiring but wonderful!!

V quick scroll there as I am pooped from lovely afternoon tea out. Wishing tomorrow's birthers love, hugs, good health and strength!!! A third of babies by only the 1st???!! Holy moly!!!!

Look forward to tmrw, you are all brilliant!!!! Xx

Ps, can I join the maternity leave club?? Know I'm technically not and hav to work some this wk but promise I will be switching my brain off, reading and relaxing at every available opportunity and taking all the advice to read The Baby Whisperer this week!! My sanity will be much improved if I think I'm on leave like the rest of you nearly due peeps!!! 38 wks and counting!!! Xx

crazypaving Sun 30-Sep-12 18:11:50

Wantan grin

YompingJo Sun 30-Sep-12 18:16:23

Gah, the list keeps changing!

Due Dates:

Sept. 27: Planktonette DC1
Oct. 1: FjordMor DD1 by planned induction, Gigglewhizz DC1(?),MrsConfusion DC1 by planned induction, Firstbubba DC1 by planned induction
Oct. 2: Milk DC2
Oct. 4: Katla DC1
Oct. 5: Yomping DC1
Oct. 7: Crazypaving DC2, Violetlights DC1
Oct. 10: WantAnOrange DC2, MidgetM DC2 if induced
Oct. 11: Smileyhappymummy DC2 by ELCS, OnOfMyTurnsComingOn DC3 by VBAC
Oct. 12: Lizzietow DC2
Oct. 14: Hufflepuffle DC1
Oct. 17: Smorgs DC1
Oct. 18: Bella2012 DC2, Beccus DC1
Oct. 19: Shellwedance DC1
Oct. 20: Beeblebear DC1, MidgetM if ELCS DC2
Oct. 21: Dosomethingmutley DC1
Oct. 26: Londonmrs DC1, Zara1984 DS1, Liege07 DS1
Oct. 28: Kyyria DC1, Loopyla DC1
Oct. 30: Cherrychopsticks DC1
Nov. 1: Londonlivvy DC1
Nov 8: Mickey DC1

Real live babies grin:

Sept. 20: Velo - Max 2.35kg
Sept. 24: Lisbethspposite - Paul 6lb 11oz
Sept. 25: Angelico – DD Mini Angelico, CWest30 - Naomi Louise, 4lb 10oz
Sept. 26: Elpis – DS 3.2kg
Sept. 30: Squidkid - Jess 7lb

Beccus Sun 30-Sep-12 18:16:51

well done squid!! So pleased u got the home birth u wanted, welcome little jess.
Wantan, you dark horse!! Bounce on your ball, have a curry and pineapple and a shag and hopefully your little satsuma can pop out at home, like squid's
fjord, sending hugs, am sorry you feel so down and alone and unsupported - you're not an evil step mum, just full of crazy pregnancy hormones. You know you and your hubby will make a good team and your bean will not be like his daughters - go tell him what you need from him.
MrsConfusion and Firstbubba, all the best tomorrow, ladies.
huffle, come and join me on mat leave as soon as this pesky cold that is threatening to ruin my holiday goes away.

WantAnOrange Sun 30-Sep-12 18:21:54

Alas, we are not allowed to have sex after waters have gone. Shame.....

YompingJo Sun 30-Sep-12 18:30:42

Squid, yay, wine! After all the emotional difficulty of going overdue, so pleased to hear baby Jess has arrived, and you're my hero for the homebirth, hoping I can manage the same when MiniYomping decides he/she is ready to meet the world.

WantanOrange, fingers, legs and eyes crossed for some overnight action for you (was going to suggest some actual overnight action might get things moving wink but don't think you're meant to do that after waters break), otherwise, will be thinking of you tomorrow and hoping it goes smoothly for you.

FjordMor, MrsConfusion and Firstbubba, I hope your inductions go well for you tomorrow, looking forward to hearing your news when you feel up to posting!

Planktonette, you're our captain now, dude! Hope you're managing to stay zen about everything and not going too crazy (either that or you're actually in labour and will be popping on tomorrow to let us know how it went!)

I have added a 38.5 week photo on my profile so you can all gasp at the enormity of my bump, which is so big it must have its own gravitational field by now.

Went to a lovely NT place up near Warwick today to meet up with friends, ate too much cake (for the baby!) and did a fair amount of walking, feel whacked now. Have been awake since 4:30, woke up and left hip was so sore from lying on it for days now that I couldn't get back to sleep. (am usually a tosser hmm and turner and hate being restricted to one side)

So, in the spirit of being generally grumpy, I present a list of things I will NOT miss:

- Feeling like my left hip is falling apart from being laid on every night
- AFD (Aching Fanjo of...)
- Having to be a contortionist in order to do my shoelaces up
- Turning over in bed feeling like a major complication
- The fresh realisation of how much I must now weigh, every morning when I stand up
- Being desperate for the toilet... then producing a teaspoonful of wee angry
- Opening doors onto the bump, bashing into things with it, generally being a clumsy nobber
- Not being able to do any decent exercise, I really miss that physical high
- Not being able to sit comfortably in any chair or in the car
- Having to walk really slowly as the baby's head is bouncing on delicate areas and it hurts, dammit!

I'm sure there are loads more - feel free to add your own moans too!

Kyyria Sun 30-Sep-12 18:59:35

crazy I am completely with you on the whole fed up of being preg but not looking forward to birth/first few weeks....and I've only just turned 36wks.

Feel like I've grown since yesterday - nothing to show for it, as in I don't think I look bigger, but bloody hell is it now getting difficult getting in and out of seats!!

Yomping I am certainly with you on the list of thongs that I'm not going to miss about being pregnant - can't remember what it feels like to have a decent pee!!

Good luck for all of those with impending births - kind of in awe and very jealous at the same time!

32, 36+0, #1

Elpis Sun 30-Sep-12 20:39:36

squidkid Congratulations! In awe of anyone who gets through birth on gas and air. Lack of tearing is a huge boon. Jess sounds adorable.

Thinking of the rest of you ladies as the big event approaches. Really looking forward to the moment when the postnatal thread gets going...

Think I did something stupid today. DH took DD to Homebase but that is insufficient exercise for a three-year-old. He has a virus and although I am doing nights single-handed (in another bedroom) feels busy and put-upon. At 5pm DD came upstairs and said 'Please take me to the playground, Mummy.' The playground is in some nearby woods. It's about a mile and a half round trip, uphill on the way.

Oh Christ, I thought. All right. Can't just lie around all day. Took her to ballet class five minutes away yesterday. So I started getting ready to go out, adjusting old sling for DS. DH offered to go. I was stubborn and said that he obviously wasn't feeling well enough and I ought to get some exercise. Staggered out. Hello, said a neighbour, you are looking slim. Smiled wanly. Well, we got halfway, and then I realised I had to turn back. Burst into tears as I opened the front door. Felt so guilty for promising DD what I couldn't deliver. Worried this was MS-related weakness and not post-op feebleness.

Please tell me this is not pathetic four days after a c-section. I'm still losing quite a lot of blood and haven't slept continuously for more than an hour since Monday night. Sorry, I know this shouldn't be on the antenatal thread. Just after a virtual hug. sad

Midgetm Sun 30-Sep-12 20:43:08

virtual hug coming your way. of course you aren't being weak and you shouldn't even think about that kind of exertion so soon. Go back to bed and be looked after woman and you will be fixed soon enough x

smileyhappymummy Sun 30-Sep-12 21:23:13

elpis a mile and a half some of it uphill after major abdominal surgery (which is after all what Caesarians are), with ongoing blood loss and no sleep and a newborn and another small child to look after...l
Sounds like climbing Everest to me! Not remotely pathetic or feeble. Many people are still in hospital at this point. Nor do I think that means its ms related weakness - though I can understand thats a scary prospect so entirely understandable to be worried about it - sounds utterly normal to me.
Sending many virtual hugs and instructions not to even think about doing so much for the next few days. Hoping dh can do a bit more, if not is there anyone else you can call on to help out? And don't worry about dd, she will be fine and won't remember probably even by tomorrow - certainly not in a month- that she didn't go to the playground this one time.
Take care xxx

hufflepuffle Sun 30-Sep-12 21:34:24

Elpis gosh, please, take it easy. You will make yourself unwell. As smiley says, lots folks still in hospital at this stage. You cannot and should not be exerting yourself after major surgery. DH needs to understand this. Hope u can call on anyone else to help? If not, dig your heels in and stay putt. Take care and allow yourself to mend. You are doing fantastically well by the way. Hugs. X

Midgetm Sun 30-Sep-12 21:48:37

Fjordmor MrsC and Firstbubba I am sending you all a big sloppy bear hug and a snog for tomorrow. The worst thing about mine was the hanging around waiting for it to start so make sure you have entertainment. Got everything crossed for you. Much love x

bella2012 Sun 30-Sep-12 21:51:58

oh gosh elpis massive virtual hug your way. As I said earlier, these first few days are totally relentless, so hard and unimaginably tiring. Add to that caring for a 3 year old, recovering from major surgery and trying to appease a stressed out man and you have a recipe for disaster! I don't mean to criticise your DH as it is such a shame that he is ill rigt now, but really, what was he thinking letting you head out for a walk with two children this early?! You poor thing. Can someone else help out? I know all too well how much wearing out 3 year olds need! Try and get some help if you can so that you can concentrate on recovering and coping with the constant demands of your LO. Massive hugs to you. Take care xx

Kyyria Sun 30-Sep-12 22:02:19

elpis I agree with the others, smiley in particular! Don't feel like you're letting people down! thanks

I've got my restless legs back this week...they're driving me crackers!

Angelico Sun 30-Sep-12 22:35:06

Elpis torn between sending a hug and bapping you round the head with a kipper! Of course you have not let anyone down!!! I'm on day 5 and for some reason am REALLY sore today - possibloy because I did a few post-natal exercises and staggered round the garden a bit. Seriously, take it easy! thanks

And btw does arnica work or is it a lot of bollocks? Bought some tablets today in desperation...

Oh God, it is poo time and I'm frightened confused

Elpis Sun 30-Sep-12 22:38:02

Well, DH just burst into tears after DD refused to let him help her take off her top for bathtime and screamed that she didn't like him. You don't brush my teeth as well as Mummy, etc etc. Then he sat on the stairs holding DS and wept for ten minutes before heading off for his eight hours. (There wasn't much i could do to comfort him between getting both kids off towards bed and explaining why Daddy was upset.) So now we've all cried today.

Thank you all for that lovely reassurance. Just trying to feed DS into a stupor in hope of a couple of hours of continuous kip once I remove DD from my bed. He can stretch his arms wider now and I think his thighs may be a bit less chicken-like. The furtive glancing from side to side during feeds is becoming a bit less disconcerting.

Midgetm Sun 30-Sep-12 22:43:19

Oh Elpis I want to come hug you all. I also think fast forward 2 weeks that will be the same scene in the midget house! DD already wants me to do everything. It is such a different ball game when it is number 2.

talking of number 2's hope yours isn't too bad Angelico. I remember the fear of the pooh after delivery only too well. Not fun at all.

Elpis Sun 30-Sep-12 22:43:40

Angelico Never tried arnica except in cream form and I'd be reluctant to put anything on the wound at this stage. If it's a homeopathic remedy then I'd say it's bollocks. And I'm a baby-wearing, acupuncture-loving, herbal remedy-taking, long-term breastfeeder...

hufflepuffle Mon 01-Oct-12 00:36:25

Oh gawd...... Had to get out of bed...... Recurrent tightening at top of bump lasting 40-60 seconds....... Uncomfortable but not pain..... Surely this is just a new variant of BH??? Cannot possibly be contractions, surely they hurt?! And possibly brought on by copious amounts of afternoon tea and cakes, for the person who has had 1 cup of tea a day for 8 months.......... Flip, here's another one!!!

This cannot be contractions. I hav not got a fully packed bag, I hav not unpacked steriliser (tho breast is best!) and I hav to work on Wednesday......!

Got up to listen to hypno stuff..,. Where has my zen like calm breathing gone??? Been almost hyperventilating for past hour!!!!

God, I am such a novice, where is the instruction book to reassure me this is not the beginning of anything whatsoever and my imagination is letting me get carried away????!!!

3,2,1 relax......,..

hufflepuffle Mon 01-Oct-12 00:42:08

Oh and I swear by arnica gel for muscle aches. I hav 2 GP friends who swear by tablets post birth!! And I jav some in bath soak form to use v dilutely post birth in bath. I have strong faith in medicine but also in natural remedies that seem to be widely used such as arnica and my other friend echinacea!! Stayed away from both in pregnancy tho.

WantAnOrange Mon 01-Oct-12 04:35:57

Elpis You need to give yourself a break! Don't worry about disapointing DD, she'll have forgot all about the park long before you have.

Is anyone else up at this stupid hour?

I started having regular, if fairly mild, contractions for a couple of hours, then fell asleep from about 1am til 3am. I don't know if I was sleeping through the contractions or if they stopped. Now I'm awake, they're happening again but no more powerful.

I thought it'd be over by now sad and I thought second labours were supposed to be faster!

DH is asleep. He passed out from exhaustion a little after I did and I've left him that way. If I have to be induced tomorrow (and it's looking that way) I'll need him to be able to stay awake!

Kyyria Mon 01-Oct-12 06:27:28

I've just heard from one of my NCT antenatal group that they've given birth...2 weeks early! Now absutely shitting myself as really don't like the idea of labour and was planning on mine being on time or late as that is the norm for first borns!

shock confused

Midgetm Mon 01-Oct-12 07:11:59

Angelico I would give arnica a go. I took tablets after DD and seemed to help bring swelling down and help healing.

Huffle sounds like BH's which can be regular. Hope it was and breathing in te light helped - maybe a trial run? hope so

wantan- hope yours have got more regular and you don't need to go in. Keep us updated.

How exciting...

Kyyria Mon 01-Oct-12 07:26:50

First day of maternity leave, DH had just headed off to Bradford for the week for a course...watched him drive off and promptly burst into tears. Damn these hormones!

londonlivvy Mon 01-Oct-12 08:06:37

Angelico I too would be inclined to give arnica a go. I have found the gel v.helpful in the past - the tablets might be tosh but they couldnt (I don't think) do any harm!!

kyyria oh boo to hormones. I nearly cried when DF left for work today. Just for the day. oh dear! I've had a shocker of a night's sleep with lots of nightmares about DF leaving me etc. Now trying to do my coursework before heading off to sleep. ARGH.

londonlivvy Mon 01-Oct-12 08:08:02

BTW the fact that I've played the Paul McKenna track of I CAN MAKE YOU SLEEP (from his hypnosis book) 146 times since the start of my pregnancy, rather implies that he can't, in fact, make you sleep and change the patterns of your sleep.

WantAnOrange Mon 01-Oct-12 08:19:22

I'm still here hmm. Contractions stopped alltogether at 6 this morning so I'm going in to be induced at 11am. Feel a bit odd tbh. I'm excited to be meeting DD but frightened because I know what's coming. I'm dissapointed that I won't be having her at home but relieved that I will be having her today or tomorrow.

It's also a sad day because, I mentioned on one of our earlier threads a friend who was suffering from a brain tumour. It's his funeral today, and it's miles away and I'm in labour so I can't go and be their for my friend. There is nothing in the world I can say to make her feel better.

I have just spoken to DS on the phone and he sounded really pissed off with me too! He kept blowing down the phone so he couldn't hear me talk and refused to say anything to me.

YompingJo Mon 01-Oct-12 08:25:00

Oh Londonlivvy, that made me laugh! I'm sorry for your lack of sleep but the Paul McKenna observation is priceless! I'd like to see him try to get a good night's sleep with all the inconveniences of having a small person wedged inside him!

WantAnOrange, sending you positive vibes and a vote that we go with kumquat for your child as it's the smallest of the citrus fruits (I think)

Huffle, any news?

bella2012 Mon 01-Oct-12 08:49:25

morning all!

wantan I am sorry labour hasn't established yet and that you have to go in to hospital. I hope things are straightforward from here on in. Sorry DS is being a monkey- i think dealing with the other children seems to be the most stressful thing! How exciting that you will definitely be meeting your LO today or tomorrow!

huffle are you OK? Hopefully it was just BH? I can't believe you are still having to worry about work during all of this!

kyria where is your DH going? This is a rubbish time to be home on your own-are you ok? Do you have plenty of people around in case things get going early?

So excited for all the babies being induced today! Still happy for mine to stay put for a while! I am quite scared by the thought that the baby could come any time, but also, may not come for over four weeks. How do you stay 'ready' but not too expectant? i worked until 39 weeks last time so am finding the luxury of being off quite weird! Still haven't read anything on birth or newborns though...must dig out all of my books! Off to buy nursing tops and a new camera charger so that we can photograph our little chum when he or she comes! I am leaning towards it being a boy at the moment although I know it is a 50/50 guess! Anyone got any good boy name suggestions? We still cant decide! We like quite traditional names and I would like George as a middlle name as that is my beloved Dad's name.

hufflepuffle Mon 01-Oct-12 09:06:53

Kumquat..........! Brilliant!

I'm still here and ok!! Managed to relax with my hypno and got to sleep about 3, despite the snoring monster beside me! He was v cross this morning I didn't wake him, but what was the point, I do not look forward to his panic stations........!

Still tightening this morning but daylight and sanity tell me it can only be BH. Did a lovely big pooh (nice chat here huffle) which can only help after the weekend of indulgence. And spent past half hour starting to read baby whisperer b

hufflepuffle Mon 01-Oct-12 09:12:41

Oo oops...... Silly buttons

Reading book. Have MW apt this morning anyhow, good timing. Plan to come home, pack bags PROPERLY, try to do odds and ends like take labels off car seat ( that thought actually made me cry at 2 am.... There are still labels in everything!!! Feckin nobber) and just bloody rest!!!

Assume baby will come late but entirely totally possible it will come early and just need to wise up!! And if MW looks at me and tells me I'm feckin dilated I will promptly faint on the spot then tell the world of the wonders of hypnotherapy if I do not indeed realise I'm in labour......

Hugs Kyyria , this is a hard week for DH to be away. X

Good luck for today' Wantan , thinking of you!! Xx

smileyhappymummy Mon 01-Oct-12 09:14:43

Just a quick one to say good luck to everyone going in for induction today, hope all goes smoothly and you are cuddling your beautiful babies very soon! Look forward to hearing the updates.
Also to those already cuddling beautiful babies hope they are occasionally letting you put them down and get some sleep!

LoopyLa Mon 01-Oct-12 09:17:43

Sending MASSIVE hugs to FjordMumma (you don't sound like an evil stepmother at all sweetie - I've actually got one of those and she's a really difficult bitch which is the opposite of what you sound like, be kind to yourself x), Elpis (no advice but if I was with you, I'd be dishing out some hugs your way) and WantanOrange (hope you're ok, thinking of you lots during this slightly bewildering & scary time).

Kyrria Now absutely shitting myself as really don't like the idea of labour... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, does anyone, lol??!! grin

Last week of work for meeeeeeeeeeee!!! YAY!! smile although feel like that by the time I'm actually due, the rest of the babies on the thread will be walking & talking confused

WantAnOrange Mon 01-Oct-12 09:27:56

Kumquat! Brilliant! DH does not agree....grin

Fjord You are definately not an evil step mother. I also have one of those, and you're not like her at all!

Bella George is a lovely name. Traditional names I can think of; Samuel, Michael, Mark, Benjamin, Paul, Peter, Daniel, James, Edward, Luke, Frederick, Franklin, Mathew.

bella2012 Mon 01-Oct-12 09:34:06

thanks for those ideas wantan! So kind of you to even think about that for me while you are in labour!! You are a superwoman!

WantAnOrange Mon 01-Oct-12 09:41:50

blush Nothings happening and I'm Mrs Impatient. Glad of the distraction. I'm being picked up 10:30 and don't know where to put myself!

Smorgs Mon 01-Oct-12 10:12:34

Congratulations lisbeth and squid! Hope you're enjoying lots of newborn cuddles.

Good luck to everyone being induced today. I'll be thinking of you all.

Sorry not to post more but I've had a bit of an up and down weekend. Will regroup later and reply to people individually.

Smorgs, 32, 37+6, dc1

Londonmrss Mon 01-Oct-12 10:55:59

Hi all,

Have been reading, just haven't had much to say. I'm still just plodding impatiently on. 36 + 3 today and feel like I've got ages left. Obviously I'm bloody uncomfortable, but baby is showing no signs of wanting to move any time soon- no twinges, no shits, and I've still never felt anything that could be braxton hicks (sounds like the start of a song...). I suppose I should just relax and enjoy this last few weeks. Think I shall go for a swim today. It does seem to be keeping my baby in a good position- she was really keen on being back to back for a few weeks, but she's now staying in the LOA / LOT position. Who knows if it's from swimming really, but it's certainly not doing any harm.

Angelico thank you for the useful tips. I did buy Baby Whisperer and started to read, but then found it would be more relevant reading once baby is here. A bit hard to relate to at the moment!

Huge congrats to Squid- sounds like you were amazing; I'm so pleased you got your homebirth.

Good luck to Wantan and Fjord today- do update us when you find time.

Beccus Mon 01-Oct-12 11:20:09

omg, wantan, i feel awful for flippantly telling u to shag after your waters had broken, when that can lead to infection. thanks goodness u and others on here know better. Sorry, good luck today xx
Elpis, your poor little family; poor you, recovering from csection, poor hubby feeling unwell and with hurt feelings, and poor dd not understanding why mummy and daddy can't take her to the park today. Hugs to u all, hope u r being kind to yourselves and getting in some takeaways and hope u can find some family/friend support to take DD to the park soon, so you can try to get some rest with your new arrival.
Just been on amazon - can u guys please say which baby whisperer book you are all reading - there are so many ones with slightly different titles on there. Thx
So glad mat leave has started - pubic symphisis discomfort is making walking somewhat hard! london, no BH here either - does a cold count as a sign of labor?

squidkid Mon 01-Oct-12 11:57:19

Hey everyone. Thanks so much for congratulations and well wishes. Me and Jess are doing well though I do feel a bit like I've been run over. She is so so cute.

Am still reading (mostly one handed while breastfeeding) and especially thinking of those being induced today. Wantanorange I hope all goes well for you, that was the same situation I was in a few days ago but labour started that day for me.

I don't want to write anything negative about the birth as I'm very aware everyone is waiting to give birth currently and lots of us are first time mums. I did find it really really hard and painful but with 24 hours retrospective I'm proud of myself and have no regrets.

So what happened was, my waters broke really dramatically on Friday night/sat morning, 1am. I got up to go to the loo and they just gushed everywhere, huge amounts. Contractions started immediately - mild ones, about 8 minutes apart. I was excited cause I thought this was the start and called the hospital to check what I needed to do. They said call back around 7am and let them know if things had progressed. I also called my friend the midwife who was hoping to come to the birth and she said she'd come to Sheffield right away. I tried to go to sleep but was too distracted so stood up swaying through them and by 7am they were coming every 2 minutes, still very manageable. So I thought I was in labour. However when my friend turned up they calmed right down to every 8 minutes apart. I called the hospital back who said I needed to come in for swabs.

It was a good experience at the hospital. The midwife was really nice. She said I wasn't in established labour but probably would become so later. She said I would need to be induced/augmented the next day if I hadn't delivered the baby because of the infection risk. I said "oh, I thought it was within 72 hours..." and she said, "ah - are you having a home birth?" and was really nice about it and went off to speak to the reg without me asking, came back and said they'd give me 48 hours instead. So I had an induction date for monday morning.

She monitored the baby for half an hour and took some swabs and told me I was 2cm dilated and she could see hair! This was a massive boost. She was really nice and said to me, "good luck, don't think I'll see you again, you'll just go and have your baby at home before tomorrow, it will be fine" and I went home happy.

Spent the day in frustrating latent phase labour. The contractions would ramp up and get more intense and more frequent and I'd think I was getting somewhere, and then they would ease off and slow down. Pacing heated them up, lying down made them easier. I got myself worried and worked up about labour never really starting. My friend told me to get some sleep in the end while she and my boyfriend set up the birthing pool. I had a rest and the contractions almost completely stopped. About an hour later they came back much stronger and more frequent but I didn't want to believe I was in labour in case I was calling the midwife too early. In the end I called her at around 9pm after 18 hours of contractions, I was already tired, though they were still bearable with breathing at that point. She turned up at 10pm with all the kit and when she examined me at 11pm I was 6cm. Boyfriend thought this was brilliant but I could only think "that's a long way to go...!" Baby's heartrate was great, baby was happy. I was beginning to find the contractions a lot more painful and went in the pool, which helped loads. I also started using gas and air which worked brilliantly for a couple of hours.

The next 4 hours or so just got more and more intense. All the hypnobirthing stuff seemed totally irrelevant and impossible and I just clung to gas and air and tried to survive. Midwife made me get out the pool because she said it was slowing my contractions down and all I could think was "but I can't take them being any worse". But I did get out. Then I was having a lot of pressure rectally but I've been constipated for ages and didn't really have a clear out before labour and I didn't really think I needed to push yet... however midwife thought I might be in transition and called the second midwife.

The next bit was the absolute worst. She examined me and said I was 8cm and had taken 4 and half hours to go from 6cm to 8cm which was a bit slow. I think I started crying! She thought this was because there was still a pocket of waters bulging above the head which was preventing the head from coming down on the cervix naturally. She said she could rupture them which would speed things up. I said yes. She did that, I was on my back on the sofa and it was probably the most awful thing I've ever experienced, I was just wailing in pain, I didn't realise how much it would hurt. Contractions went mental then but I'd got it in my head I was only progressing 1/2 cm an hour and kept telling myself it would be four hours until I'd get to push. I thought I was dying and this was the bit where all my beliefs and self confidence disappeared and I said I didn't want to be at home, I wanted this to end, I wanted to go to hospital and get an epidural, I was crying and telling them all (both midwives, my boyfriend, my friend) that I wasn't progressing and I was a failure and I was just going to end up being sectioned but even that wouldn't happen for hours because it wasn't an emergency, my body was just not working. All that. My boyfriend was ashen. Whilst I was saying it I knew it was hopeless. I was safe and baby was safe, even if I went to the hospital all that would happen was I'd get an epidural but it wouldn't be urgent and probably wouldn't happen for hours.

Midwife said she would examine me again once two hours had passed - it was awful. I lost control of my breathing and started howling, though I managed to get it back at times. I was so totally convinced I was going to be going to hospital for "failure to progress" I didn't believe her at all when she said I was 10cm. This was about... 5am.

The second stage is a blur. I only know what happened because I talked about it with my friend afterwards. I was so tired I was falling asleep between contractions. I was squatting, my boyfriend was holding me up, I think he nearly died too! The midwives and my friend were shouting at me to push and I tried but I had NOTHING left. For some reason I thought I was pushing really badly and despairing about that too, but in fact I was pushing brilliantly and the reason why they were all shouting at me was because baby's heartrate had dropped and they were anxious to get her out quickly. I don't know if they told me this, I wasn't aware of it at the time.

Most surreal moment ever is where I actually left my body and when I returned there were just these women I didn't know shouting push! I didn't even know where I was.

But then they were saying I was doing amazing and boyfriend was saying he could see the head. Then the midwife was discussing an episiotomy with me to get the baby out quicker. I didn't care at all at that point and said "whatever you need to do is fine". An utterly weird few minutes followed where the two midwives were pulling and poking at my perineum and saying "my god, look at this pelvic floor! Look at this perineum! I can't cut this, this is the best one I've ever seen" and my friend was saying "she does loads of hiking, she's crazy fit!" So I escaped an episiotomy for all my walking, mental eh! I did the second stage in 40 minutes which they said afterwards was really good for a primip.

Then I was delivering - the "ring of fire" bit hurt for sure but I knew it was the end and it was short so manageable. I listened to the midwife and pushed and panted when she said and head came out then body. It was the strangest most satisfying sensation ever. Baby was a bit floppy but an ok colour, with a huge monstrous misshapen head. I grabbed her and rubbed her and sobbed and sobbed. She came round and started crying.

After the birth I was still feeling too traumatised to be relieved. Boyfriend and midwives and my friend were telling me I'd been amazing but I felt like I'd been horrendous, out of control, naive for thinking I could do it. I think I cried a lot. There were some horrid bits - delivering the placenta really hurt - and they had to put a catheter in briefly cause I couldn't wee - and examining for tears was unbearable I had to get back on the gas and air. But! I had no tears, just one small graze, and the placenta did come out on its own without needing the injection, and once all that was done I could breastfeed my baby who was being cuddled by her daddy and trying to suck his nipples. She latched on really well and fed for 45 minutes which was amazing.

After this it was lovely being at home. The midwives ate cake, packed up and left. I had a shower, took my baby to bed.

I hope this story isn't offputting. With 24 hours to think about it I'm proud of myself and I feel privileged to have experienced a "normal" delivery.My friend has done lots of home births and I think a lot of people manage them fine so I don't want to put anyone off! She said she thought mine was more intense and difficult than many.

So that's my story. The newborn bit is just lovely. Will try to stay in touch between feeds. Love you all. Squid xx and jess xxx

Hope all goes well Wantan, I'm sorry it won't be the home birth you were after, but you're in the best place for your situation now.

Elpis, definitely doing to much. Please take care, if you don't get enough rest now it'll take you longer to recover in the long run. I can only imagine how hard it must be with your DD too, but she'll be fine. I really feel for your DH, but TBH he needs to shove his virus up his arse for a bit and at least find some help for you all. Wish I could come over and lend a hand, but in the meantime - hugs, brew and biscuit

Fjord, you do not sound like an evil stepmum! I would definitely want to be alone (or just with DH) to mentally prepare for what you're going to face today. If you can't just think of yourself at a time like this, when can you?! In fact, it's actually the last time you'll ever just be able to think of yourself so totally understandable. It's a shame your DH didn't realise this, but in a few hours you'll have your little bundle of joy and all this'll be a distant memory.

Kyrria's "I don't like the idea of labour" made me chuckle too, Loopy. I don't think I'm going to be the biggest fan either...

And grin at your Paul McKenna review LondonLivvy!

Shattered today, can't get a break til Thursday but I'm planning to make the most of it. And MIL has just booked us a facial or something for Saturday - my first bit of pregnancy pampering, can't wait! smile

I wonder how many babies we'll have by the end of the day?

That's a beautiful story Squid, thanks so much for sharing it and being so honest. Sounds like you were amazing!

Velo Mon 01-Oct-12 13:04:18

It's so exciting to have these babies arriving! For those giving birth in Belgium here are a few tips.
* You don't need to wear hospital gowns or nightgowns during your 4-5 day stay, but take some tops that you can easily breastfeed in.
* You'll need plenty of fruit juice/liquid to keep yourself hydrated.
* I ended up buying loads of fruit + some dry prunes (and avoided having to take laxative) - the hospital diet was very bread based.
* All the hospital checks take place in the morning so it can be quite busy/tiring - visiting hours where I delivered were in the afternoon and I couldn't cope with more than 1 visitor (or say 2 friends) a day

and in general....
* Squeezy bottle with a few drops of Tea Tree oil was fantastic to squirting onto stitches (and helps with healing)
* The Tena lady pants, while very unattractive were useful at night for dealing with heavy flow (hopefully it will be a long-time before I have to wear those again)

If I think of anything else I'll post it here...

Londonmrss Mon 01-Oct-12 14:02:12

Amazing story Squid.

Sounds like you're as hard on yourself in labour as in your professional life.

"I am woman, hear me roar." smile

Londonmrss Mon 01-Oct-12 14:04:17

Oh, and congratulations on having such a beautiful perineum! grin

Planktonette Mon 01-Oct-12 14:09:51

squid thank you very much for your birth story - having those insights really helps.

Am now 40 +4, and over it. So very, very over it. Jealous as all get out of you who still have time to go,but every time I think labour is approaching, I think 'oh no, not yet, not the pain...' confused

There is an <outstanding> thread on birth tips over here: http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/childbirth/1576806-Nice-little-tips-please-add-and-share?pg=1

hufflepuffle Mon 01-Oct-12 14:59:36

Wow Squid you are amazing!!! That has wobbled me a bit tbh..... But good reading nevertheless!! I agree, still being hard on yourself!!! Sounds like hard work but so very well done!!!

And yay on the perineum!!! That'll be a combo of your walking, sex life and massage!!!!! In which case mine is totally and utterly fucked inadequate for the job!!!!!! Oh dear.... Gave up on trying the massage...

I am totally ok. MW apt was good. Baby fine. Agreed they were much stronger BH of the practice kind and baby settling in to good position. Could be tonight, could be 3 weeks, who knows!!! Bit shock to be told that at my next apt at 40 wks they routinely will do a sweep!!!!!! Eek!! And book the induction apt then too! Flip, no hanging about!! Just as long as I get beyond this Wednesday when need need need to work, I will be grand.

Called in to physio dept to try and get another apt and lo and behold the lovely women's health physio had just had her next person cancel!!! So hips got another good wiggle and push and pelvis feeling great.

So now I'm going to be true to my word and go absolutely finish packing bags and getting all baby stuff sorted, organised and tidied! Do NOT want that on my mind on next sleepless night! And if I sort all that might actually free up spare bed again so DH and I can sleep blissfully- in other rooms!!!!! blush

Looking forward to Wantan's news, hope I'm not bringing you all my news too soon......!

YompingJo Mon 01-Oct-12 15:44:28

Squid, have some thanks for your beautiful perineum grin.

Thank you for sharing - good to hear honesty, but I'm now a tiny bit scared about my homebirth which could be any time from - well, right now to 3 weeks time. I guess it's never really a picnic but you just get through it as best you can. I didn't know delivering the placenta could hurt, funny they never mention that...

Velo, thank you for tips. It's very reassuring that those of you who have finally gotten to meet your babies still have time to come on here and post with news and tips!

Beccus, I've got this Baby Whisperer book which I think is the one everyone else is talking about. Seems like good advice although a bit "baby must fit into your world" for me at the moment, poor baby, think being born and having to get used to a completely new world must be traumatic enough in the first few weeks without me taking the attitude that it must fit into my world and do what I want straight away! Like the idea that there are baby personality types and once you have worked yours out it can help you to anticipate needs and deal with them more effectively.

Loopy, congrats on starting your last week of work! I hope it is an easy week.

huffle, let us know how MW appt goes!

LoopyLa Mon 01-Oct-12 16:03:08

Raising a wine to Squids beautiful perineum!


lisbethsopposite Mon 01-Oct-12 16:08:18

OK I've glanced through this to know that FINALLY Squid's wait is over - so so thrilled for you.
Angelico - Fabulosa!!
(I have a sleeper so here goes) - I'm going to talk first and catch up on read later.
CWest - delighted re Naomi also, and Velo and Elpis.thanks all
This side of the fence will be getting fuller and fuller (with a new list of complaints but at least it hopefully won't be bizarre hormones ruling the roost - touch wood).

MidgetM I had to read one of your posts a few times, a while back, thought you had posted pics of your fanjo on the site blush - but you were saying you wouldn't post pics where you had talked about the state of your fanjo - very confusing to a soft brain.

Liege Fjordmor MrsC Perhaps things have moved on, but I was worried for you and the extra monitoring - agree with the comment, on removal via the sun roof if needed. I look on the extra monitoring as positive (one of nature's optimists).

Boxsets - I can't do the BF and computer so I got Damages and the first series of Morse from the Library. Damages is actually good - Glen Close.

Cherry Of course you know there is no such thing as too much rest. You are in training for a marathon. I can relate to the sadness of bean being out - I had that with DS1. I felt I was part of a miracle that might never happen again. Afraid hanging over the toilet bowl once too often removed that from me with number 2. In the days coming up to the induction I felt OVERWHELMING relief.
As for missing the baby inside, which I know many of us feel, I had a friend one time, a great mum and she was talking about her older children - I asked what was her favourite age for children. She answered every part is the best part, and I agree with her. They're lovely inside and lovely when they come out, crawling is great, first words....

WantanOrange You asked about SPD - I read on Mumsnet to warn MW not to have your legs too strained, or allow the use of stirrupy things if you are numbed. You can get injured without realising - this makes sense to me as I suffer from TMJ (Jaw joint) problems, and I will not let dentist/hygienist keep me in a very strained position (mouth wide open) for too long as it gets very sore.

Londonlivvy Congrats on making marriage plans - I was asked by the community nurse for the DoB of my 2 year old the other day, and I couldn't answer blush. Don't worry if DP isn't as interested, they can be a bit bowled over with the fatherhood thing and not too interested in weddings on a good day
Love your birth plan, but Beeblebs looks good too, only more detail. If I could the only thing I would add is not to poo in a crowded room with my bum in the air (Which I did - oh the indignity blush blush)

Huffle Birth positions - with DS1, because my waters had broken 36 hours earlier, I was monitored a lot (internally) so felt very restricted. I spent a lot of time on ball and then later on bed. This time I walked and stood in the early stages, but once I started on the gas, I felt a little dizzy with it so I stayed in bed after that. I delivered on all 4s/semi squat over the back of the bed.
Smorgs Farm analogies are uncomfortably apt - I grew up on a farm too and does anyone remember James Herriot and All Creatures Great and Small? - They often have their arms up cow's fanjos. I had a manual removal of placenta, which I did not see, but I can guess....

Next time I log on I will tell my story, then read everybody else...

Kyyria Mon 01-Oct-12 17:49:49

Well, first day of maternity leave has been good but extremely unproductive! Had so many things I wanted to do but just thought I would enjoy relaxing today. Decided to have an early afternoon snooze and am now completely shattered!!

Can I just ask a question about BH? Up until now I didn't think I'd experienced any but now I'm not too sure. Have been getting pains for the last 2 days that feel like either mild period pains or like I've got a stomach bug (diarrhoea cramps) - sorry if TMI!! My tummy doesn't really feel as if it is tightening either.

They've happened a couple of times today - have currently been sitting and getting up and moving around has made them ease off a bit.

32, 36+1, #1

bella2012 Mon 01-Oct-12 18:13:52

lisbeth so great to hear from you! Hope you and paul are doing ok!

Thanks for sharing your story squid. Agree with others that you were far too hard on yourself as usual-what a great job you did!

So much of squid's description was terrifyingly familiar and has brought it all back to me. After grumbling so much about my stressful job occupying my mind, I am one day into maternity leave and now lingering endlessly on birth worries. Think it has coincided with a bad hormone day and feeling especially guilty not to be doing more to entertain my poor little DS. He is full of beans and must be wondering what the heck has happened to his normally energetic and imaginative playmate. I just feel like I want to be left alone to brood in peace, but know that is not the answer. Plus DH is not in until after 11 tonight and the next two nights so there is noone coming in to relieve me. Sorry to grumble, I just feel so tired and weepy.

Love to you all.

crazypaving Mon 01-Oct-12 18:44:56

bella my thoughts exactly about squid! squid really well done but it did bring back flashbacks... I'm just banking this time on actually having a medical professional with me to help me through the terror and thoughts that I'm going to die, rather than an equally terrified DH on his tod! Oh, and some pain relief would be nice too.

wantanorange thinking of you...hope it's quick thanks

I am also knackered knackered knackered. Knackered. I know it's not newborn knackered but I am so heavy and lumpy and the baby feels like it's about to fall out of my fanjo any minute, which is deeply unpleasant. The bump has Officially Dropped and I'm walking like John Wayne. My pelvis is about to split in two and it's absolute agony all the time. Doing gymboree with DS this afternoon was an absolute barrel of laughs hmm

Getting quite spikily painful BH contractions but they don't feel like labour iykwim. Hope there's not something weird going on.

Better go and say goodnight to DS...involves hauling my massive bulk off the sofa and upstairs (sorry for myself emoticon)

hufflepuffle Mon 01-Oct-12 18:53:46

Hi ladies! yomping we must hav x posted, MW apt was fine. All normal, defo just BH!!

V glad to say tho that last nights scare has kicked me up the bum, all hospital bags packed : one for baby, one for mummy, wee one for daddy (cos he gets v hot and bothered and wants his shorts and sandals) and the spillover one for car with extras for mummy and baby if we end up staying longer! All this for hospital which considers discharge after 6 hrs if no complications!!!
House better organised, therefore mind better organised and another pot of soup for freezer!!! And only went to work for 1 hr!! Whoopee!

How I am going to manage sitting doing nothing..... Will maybe finally put on pregnancy weight eating crisps and chocolate all day!!

Lisbeth thank you for your info on positions! The more I read about everyone's experience the more I realise I hav no idea!!! Hoping will manage a combo of bed and upright like you then, it will not happen quickly!!!!! Love to little Paul. Xx

Kyyria I hope to be like you tmrw and hav an unproductive day!!!! We def need them... I was a bit of a whirlwind today, but glad I did as I feel better. Hoping you hav some company at times when DH is away?? Wish we could pop out for a coffee and compare notes!! Bit far away.....! I was reading a fair bit about BH at ungodly hours this morn and the answer seems to be that there is a multitude of possible sensations to feel!! I've had tightenings for ages, general shiny tight tight tummy, sometimes wee bit crampy period type feeling at lower extremity. Last nights tho were at top of tummy, niggly, tingly, gradual tightening and releasing in a definite pattern. Today I've had combo of all!!! But MW not even vaguely concerned they are anything other than BH. So sounds like you are having variety too!! And of course lots never feel them at all. Aren't we glad to hav so many varied experiences here???!

That's me for the evening ladies. Plan a lot of reading of Baby Whisperr (for whoever asked, mine is 3rd in series, called Solving Problems, I think) but she spends first good while explaining all principles and giving guidelines. Book then divided in to age groups. Seems good! Think I accidentally got wrong one, bought cheaply on eBay but so far it is excellent! Then an early night with hypno and a whole bed to myself!!

Oh and need to call GP again in morning about the whooping cough thing. They had no clue what was happening when I called today!

Night all, take it easy, and actually must check in later for any news on Babykumquat !!

Kyyria Mon 01-Oct-12 19:48:06

huffle thanks for the BH reassurance! smile

Would also like to say in defence of GP surgeries that the first I heard about the whooping cough vaccine for preg women between 28-38wks was on the news on Friday morning...and I help run a GP surgery! I know other Practice Managers inour area were equally unimpressed with the lack of information. Would be nice if the Dept of Health could have let us know before hand! hmm We tend to only store enough in stock to deal with child immunisation (you don't want a full vaccine fridge on the off chance you have a power cut and lose the lot) and also it's tricky to have extra stock this time of year because of the flu and pneumonial vaccines.

Thanks for all the virtual company - DH doesn't disappear off for work too often (in fact the last time was about 6 years ago) and I agree the timing is horrendous but he is unable to get out of it. He's only in Bradford (about 2.5 hours away if traffic is decent) so in the event that things kick off I can get him to drive home in time (hopefully). I had planned on meeting up with a work colleague for lunch but she wasn't too well so we postponed. I've got induction for final year of uni tomorrow night so at least I get to spend 4 hours out of the house with college friends. I'm then meeting up with my NCT antenatal girls for lunch on Wednesday, so I do have some activities planned. Other than that it's just waiting for the nesting instinct to kick in so that I can crack on with cleaning and decluttering the house.

Right, going to sort out some food and possibly an early night - I am shattered.

32, 36+1, #1

smileyhappymummy Mon 01-Oct-12 19:54:29

Yes, I am a GP, was at work on Friday, and first I heard of whooping cough vaccine was on mumsnet!!
Mega impressed with my own GP surgery today (where I'm a patient not where I work) - phoned at 8.30 this morning to ask about it, they didn't know and said they'd phone back. 30 mins later they were on the phone saying they'd be v happy to do it with my flu jab at lunchtime today! So I now have two sore arms but am fully immunised.
bella sympathise on the birth worries, got so anxious last night I was actually feeling really panicky. Felt horrible. Still not feeling great today. Too many scary memories from last time.

Elpis Mon 01-Oct-12 20:42:11

Just popping in - on? - to thank you all again for the lovely support you gave me yesterday. Today was so much better. DH brought back flowers from the preschool run, the health visitor congratulated me on DS's progress (he's lost less than 5% of his birthweight, as opposed to more usual 10%), and sleep was better last night after I took a proper look at the evidence on SIDS and bedsharing and decided to stop the feed-cot-wail-cuddle-cot-wail-nappy-cot-wail-feed etc cycle and let DS sleep alongside me if he won't settle in the cot. No duvet etc. I know it's not the official advice but in this instance I think it's going to be OK.

Thinking of everyone in labour right now. Must get back to ironing.

squidkid Mon 01-Oct-12 20:45:54

I didnt mean to scare or upset anyone. Births are all really different... some much harder than mine... some loads easier. Every hour that goes by I feel more and more positive about the whole thing actually. I mean yeah it hurt and was intense but I delivered a baby, at home, basically off my own back with a TENS machine! That's pretty awesome... I escaped with no interventions or tears and I know my recovery time will be really short... I am already bleeding not much more than a period, I'm half the size already my uterus/belly is just shrinking away hour by hour, it doesn't hurt to wee any more... I think I was just a bit shell shocked at the experience.

Srorry am a bit sleep depirved and one-handed but did not want ot add to negative birth stories or anything, mine had loads of positives- not least amazing baby in my arms now. For second time mums I'm sure it's supposed to be LOADS easier second time!

thinking of you all... I should probably decamp to postnatal thread eh!
ps. my and my daughter

Hi everyone, CONGRATULATIONS Squid on the arrival of Baby Jess!!! I am so happy for you smile Also chuckling quietly at the "beautiful perineum, i can't cut this!" comment! Good for you!!! wine Hope you are feeling more rested today and you are being waited on hand and foot. Same goes for the rest of you superladies. Fjordmumma and Orange (Lol, Kumquat!) Have been thinking of you- hope all went well today.

Well my day was also very unproductive- although this is the first day of my weeks holiday so I think I'm allowed smile Had my family round for a roast yesterday which was so nice, but is anyone else finding visitors just exhausting? I have the week off and I have arranged visitors/lunch/dinner plans for every day. hmm I think I may have bitten off more than I can chew. Last wednesday I made lunch plans and it was more exhausting that an 8 hour shift at work but not that bloody 10 hour shift the day after

Went to see my Great Grandad today. (In a home with alzheimers). He is well and happy. They took him to London yesterday and did the proper sightseeing tour, buckingham palace, etc etc. He didn't remember any of it and it does bug me that the staff were so surprised that he didn't tell us today, I mean honestly, get real! hmm
I am so happy that he is Ok though. He forgets obviously that I am having the baby and is so shocked every time I turn up and he sees I am pregnant, but I honestly wasn't sure wether he would see the day that his first great great grandchild was born, as he has been ill with the disease for so long. But alas, he is still here, my beautiful strong grandad is still with us and in 5 weeks (or less I bloody hope!!) time he will see my little boy/girl. smile

Anyway. that was a completely pointless ramble but GG was so good today I felt it warranted me to say it to someone- god knows the rest of the family haven't bothered to see him, so I don't bother telling them!!

squidkid Mon 01-Oct-12 21:02:26

elpis I am bedsharing with jess and lots of evidence says it is perfectly safe if you do it right and it is better for breastfeeding. Also it is taking me an age shifting sore body out of bed so god knows how I could feed through the night otherwise

hufflepuffle Mon 01-Oct-12 21:31:18

No, Kyrria & Smylie I didn't really expect surgery to know anything yet. DoH guidance only released on Friday locally and applies only quickly to 38 wks+. But up to 39! Other less far on weeks being done after that. So figured I better get on ball as am 38+1 today! They advised I ask MW who advised me to ask them!! So I will try again in the morning and try not to be a pain. Know how these things can drive a practice to distraction!!!

And I never even thought of flu vaccine...........!

Was just checking on for any other news.

Lovely pic of Jess !!! With one v cool looking mama!!


bella2012 Mon 01-Oct-12 21:37:24

squid please don't apologise, was great to hear your story and so happy that you are recovering so well! I have bought another monster size pack of maternity pads today-maybe I have been a bit pessimistic?? Beautiful beautiful pic of you and your baby! Thanks so much for sharing xx

elpis really glad to hear you have had a better day and well done on feeding your LO up so well! Fantastic. And do whatever works for you sleep wise- sod the rules, you know your baby!

smiley and crazy thanks for letting me know I am not alone. Not sure whether it is worse or better to know what you are in for..? Except my DH is fed up of telling me that I am not going to have exactly the same experience as last time and should try and be a bit more optimistic!

Planktonette Mon 01-Oct-12 21:53:03

Four days overdue... Phooey.

TMI coming up!

Am currently terrified for my bum. I have an anal fissure (*waves at but does not name fellow sufferer* which is a tear inside the bum that makes it feel like you're pooing over a shard of glass followed bya godawful muscle spasm which really really hurts. I know labour will make it worse - labour often causes the wretched things - and it's been acting up something awful in the last few days.

I am, at this point, way more scared of the fissure pain than the labour pain - especially becaus labour pains end, but a fissure tear... Well it takes a long time to heal. I've had mine almost a year now.

Anyone have any knowledge/experience of giving birh with piles or a fissure? Reassurance would be very VERY welcome...

Angelico Mon 01-Oct-12 23:10:47

<Waves at all and snorts at Squid's beautiful perineum> smile

Major baby blues this evening - tired and so sore from CS along retraction lines. Have just wept on and off all evening, feeling like such a failure because it hurts to do EVERYTHING sad Feels like I can lift bean to feed her (thank God she feeds beautifully, nearly holds herself on boob which makes life easier and has only lost a few oz) but then have to ration lifting her / everything else. Enforced slow pace of life is tough on impatient Angelico. Went for acupuncture today so hoping that speeds up healing. The bedsharing stuff is tempting as it would be much easier to do it than bending over crib - anyone got any good links? We never got that co-sleeping cot thing in the end.

On the up side my incision is a source of endless wonder and admiration for all who see it, especially the medical peeps. Consultant may be old school but he does damn good slicing and dicing. Now if only I didn't want to breastfeed and could swallow industrial quantities of quality pain relief instead of shitty Diclofenac and paracetamol hmm

Night all x

FjordMor Mon 01-Oct-12 23:36:41

Hello everyone! I've read snippets between monitorings. Haven't been able to click the plus to post on my phone app to post all day but now it's letting me for some reason.

Long story short, not much has happened today although I am around 2cm dilated and having contractions. DP and I have been in the delivery suite in a private room (not a delivery room) with a big flat screen telly. The routine has been pessary, trace 45 mins later, trace 4 hours later followed by examination of cervix and insertion of new pessary. I'm on my 4th pessary and now settling down for a night's sleep. DP is in a bed here as well which is a comfort in case my contractions escalate in the night.

They seem relaxed & in no hurry to pressure us along. They've talked of more pessaries in the morning & there's been no talk of breaking my waters yet. I've passed a few bits of mucus plug after good early progress but everything seemed to standstill after 3rd pessary. Contractions have increased after the 4th so I'm hoping I'll get some sleep in ( they've given me 2 paracetamol & a lush hot water bottle for my back).

I haven't minded all the cervical examinations. Mostly they've been fairly comfortable apart from one young female doctor who thrust her razor sharp begloved nails hard at my cervix, then proceeded to pull down so hard on my perineum that I think she's done a full job on stretching it out for birth. I'm still stinging & smarting from it after 12 hours! It was so painful my legs flipped up 3 feet in the air while on my back! I also don't mind all the monitoring and, although I'm in the most pain lying down, at least I can see my contractions on the trace. I'm not feeling them that much when moving around. So baby fjord won't make an appearance until tomorrow/Wednesday and thankfully, the zen is back.

Thinking of Wantan, MrsC, firstbubba and anyone else imminently going into labour. squid - your pic is lovely and a big thank you to everyone for their kind wishes & thinking of me. All I want now is for things to hold off at least until I've had a good night's sleep & brekkie tomorrow and then to escalate and all be over in 4 hours. I've had a longish yet relaxed early stage but I don't want 2nd stage to be as drawn out. AND DP & I have nearly decided on a name! Hopefully I'll have more exciting news tomorrow. Love to all & will check back in when I can xx

Lizzietow Tue 02-Oct-12 08:05:37

Wow fjord that's very exciting!!

Quick question from me- when should I be starting to drink rasberry leaf tea? Not that it will make any difference! I'm 38 1/2 weeks.

Planktonette Tue 02-Oct-12 08:06:35

Job done.

Baby Planktonini arrived hale & hearty at 3.15 am, after five and a bit hours labour.

He is fine apart from some grunty noises, which are being checked now.

DH a real trooper throughout.

Baby adorable.


squidkid Tue 02-Oct-12 08:16:04

oh my god, huge congratulations Planktonette. 5.5 hours labour is great for a first time mum!! You sound amazingly calm, I was a jittery mess! I hope it's morphine grin. Lots of hugs and rest.

Wow the thread is producing epic amounts of babies now!!

squidkid Tue 02-Oct-12 08:18:16

Fjordmor you are a legend for updating whilst in hospital! Hope you got some rest and things are progressing well for you now. thinking of you xxx

YompingJo Tue 02-Oct-12 08:38:55

Fjord, good to hear from you, glad you are staying chilled!

Angelico, hugs, hopefully you will feel lots better after a sleep. It must be so hard feeling like to have to ration picking miniAngelico up sad

Elpis, felt so sad for you and yours yesterday, it's so hard when DHs get so down, I think we get used to them supporting us (most of the time!) and when they give up and cry, it's heartbreaking sad. Kudos to your DH for bringing you flowers, tell him I think that was lovely of him, and that he's allowed to be finding it tough too but maybe he's not allowed to be finding it quite as tough as you

Planktonette, I remember you mentioning this before. Feel very sorry for you, it must be a hard thing to have to deal with, especially to deal with whilst pregnant. Think you are amazing for putting up with it and for not whinging more - you would have every right to thanks. As I am a compulsively nosy person interested and curious I did some Googling. This forum might be of use, and there are some Mumsnet threads on the subject too - most posts I found said that labour wasn't any worse with a fissure, which might hopefully reassure you?

Mickey, Kyyria, hufflepuffle - unproductive days are A GOOD THING! Doing nothing is, in fact, giving your body a chance to relax, and it needs that. Labour will be shattering, I'm sure, so having some days here and there where you put no demands on your body is downright sensible! There, you have been told! Give yourself a pat on the back rather than thinking it's a bad thing to get nothing done sometimes. Women are terrible for this!

Incidentally, Kyyria, the sensations I am getting (that I now know are BH) are quite high up which is why I didn't realise what they were. It feels like someone is sort of gently squeezing the top part of my uterus and up into my ribs and lungs which makes me feel mildly panicky and like my heartrate is speeding up, even though it isn't. It's a really odd feeling confused

Bella, hope you too feel better this morning. Think all of this must be so much harder when you already have a child to look after and entertain. Can't say anything to help but sending you a restorative brew and biscuit xx

Crazy, sympathising with the John Wayne walk, tried to find an apt John Wayne quote for you but the best I found was this: Talk low, talk slow and don't say too much. - although if you changed talk to walk it would be so much better!

Well, I wore myself out yesterday, should take own advice about doing nothing. Trip to Ikea to meet up with lovely doula lady, got a pair of shark flipflops for £1.99 for in case I have to go into hospital and waters break there (tip from NCT classes) and some great stacking cups for £1.50, gotta love Ikea! Then went to gym for prenatal class but was way early so did 35mins of cycling first, which my hips are not thanking me for today hmm. Discovered baby must be getting engaged as lunges on one side were extremely uncomfortable due to a small head being in the way! Sorry baby!

Then came home and did lots of washing of clothes and dishes, preparing dinner etc, then went to yoga and by the time I got home I was like a zombie. Had luscious lamb kebabs for dinner though and a sneaky cider so it ended up a nice evening.

Found out the the first baby has been born in my NCT group. One of the girls had PE so was taken in for monitoring and they decided to induce, baby girl born Sat. morning. Babies everywhere!

And I have had a good look at my dates and think I should revise my due date. It was originally worked out as 19th Oct. by my doctor, and I worked out this morning that based on my LMP, that gives a gestation of about 285 days which is 41 weeks 1 day (average for a first baby) take away 3 days for my 25 day cycle, so seems like a very sensible date. The first scan we had was a private one (wanted to have pics to show my parents) and moved us from 12+4 to 13+6 but I worked out this morning that if that is correct, we somehow managed to conceive before I had my last period hmm. This seems a little, um, improbable. So the due date of 5th October, which was based on the first scan, also seems very untrustworthy.

Next time we update the list (news please Wantan, Firstbubba, MrsC and keep us updated Fjord!) I'm going to stick myself on further down at 19th Oct - now just go to work out how to get midwife to agree to new date so that she is not telling me I am 42 weeks and need induction, at the point where I think I am only just due confused - any tips on this?

Sorry, epic post blush. Lots to say today blush.

Yomping, 37, 39+4 or 37+4 depending on which due date I trust!

YompingJo Tue 02-Oct-12 08:43:10

Oh god - such an epic post I cross posted with an actual baby being born! Planktonette, massive congrats!

New list in honour:

Due Dates:

Oct. 1: FjordMor DD1 by planned induction, Gigglewhizz DC1(?),MrsConfusion DC1 by planned induction, Firstbubba DC1 by planned induction, WantAnOrange DC2 by planned induction if not natural!
Oct. 2: Milk DC2
Oct. 4: Katla
Oct. 7: Crazypaving DC2, Violetlights DC1
Oct. 10: MidgetM DC2 if induced
Oct. 11: Smileyhappymummy DC2 by ELCS, OnOfMyTurnsComingOn DC3 by VBAC
Oct 12: Lizzietow DC2 (?)
Oct. 14: Hufflepuffle DC1
Oct. 17: Smorgs DC1
Oct. 18: Bella2012 DC2, Beccus DC1
Oct. 19: Shellwedance DC1, Yomping DC1
Oct. 20: Beeblebear DC1, MidgetM if ELCS DC2
Oct. 21: Dosomethingmutley DC1
Oct. 26: Londonmrs DC1, Zara1984 DS1, Liege07 DS1
Oct. 28: Kyyria DC1, Loopyla DC1
Oct. 30: Cherrychopsticks DC1
Nov. 1: Londonlivvy DC1
Nov 8: Mickey DC1

Real live babies grin:

Sept. 20: Velo - Max 2.35kg
Sept. 24: Lisbethspposite, Paul 6lb 11oz
Sept. 25: Angelico – DD Mini Angelico, CWest30 - Naomi Louise, 4lb 10oz
Sept. 26: Elpis – DS 3.2kg
Sept. 30: Squidkid – Jess, 7lb
Oct. 2: Planktonette – DS Planktonini

Beccus Tue 02-Oct-12 08:58:24

Loving all the birth stories, ladies, am in awe you have the energy to be on here sharing your wisdom and experience with the rest of us.

Squid, i loved your honesty, you did so well, our mws keep describing transition as 'the time where you beg for an epidural or a c section' - i think it's just the tough, shitty bit we all have to go through. Such a lovely pic of the 2 of u. And u had an out of body experience, which is way cool!!

I nca't get enough of hearing all the birth stories - lots of feedback from people about how it seems to be pretty manageable up until about 6 cm. I am so putting in my birth plan that i want reassurance every 20 mins that me and baby are doing ok, and everything is progressing as normal because i know i'll be panicky and worried all the discomfort must be damaging us both, and can totally see myself getting into a total panic that we are both going to die.

planktonette, u don't mess about - you popped out your baby in record time-i would love to be getting ready for bed, wondering about anal fissures, to having baby in my arms by 3am - still plenty of time to catch up on some zzz's before the next day - congrats!

fjord, good to hear from you, sounds like u r doing well, hope you had a good kip, a nice breaky and bubs pops out like a pea from a pod this morning.

yomping, thx for the baby whisperer title smile

Had lovely 1st day mat leave yesterday - went for lunch, saw a film and failed to do any of the baby prep tasks i was meant to do. Right, need to get off mumset and prepare for the arrival of this little bean!

hufflepuffle Tue 02-Oct-12 09:07:05

Brilliant!! Yay Planktonette!!!!!!!!! Welcome baby Planktonini !!!!!! That is a fantastic labour, can I order one of those please???!

Thinking of you Fjordmama hope all proceeds soon. Long chat last night with good friend. All females in her family hav had to be induced as apparently v tough membranes, but once waters broken all proceeded quickly and well!! Perhaps you hav got super strong membranes!! Sounds like you well looked after. Wide mouthed at the nice room with bed big enough for 2 and widescreen Tv...... Can't see that happening in my hospital!!!!!

Just spoke to GP surgery and going in this morning for whopping cough vaccine and flu jab....... Was a bit shock at flu jab as never had before and kno people hav many opinions on!!!! Hope does not make me feel rotten for days!!!! Was supposed to hav got a letter to go in for it. Well no time to dwell on now, just go get done.

Elpis glad to read you are doing better, keep it up.

Angelico sorry your tummy feeling so poorly and having to ration cuddles sad Did you get anyone to get you the arnica tablets?? If you weren't just so far up the coast I'd happily pop to the health shop for you!

Speaking of health food shops, Lizzie the raspberry leaf tea can be on your menu now!! I do not know how to do links..... If you google raspberry leaf tea in pregnancy, the link to baby centre which comes up is v useful. Contrary to popular chat to drink it to bring on labour, it is now thought that perhaps it helps strengthen the uterus to help with labour. Takes a while to build up in your system and a lot of us have been drinking since 32 wks. I personally feel it brings on BH so I don't go mad, but after I do my one more day at work tmrw I will be sipping more of it!!! Do not buy in supermarket, raspberry fruit tea is not the same thing, go to holland & Barrett or health shop. As I say, google first and hav a read and read the cautions too, it is not for everyone. Think a lot of us eating dates too (was that Yomping's discovery?) as some research shows they also help strengthen uterus!! Fast strong labours are hoped for!! First few packs I bought were bleurgh, but M&S Deri dates are actually lovely!!

Have a good day all!! Will 2nd October be another birthday?? Xx

Londonmrss Tue 02-Oct-12 09:09:51

Wow, Plankton! Superfast labour. Hope there was no drama! Congratulations.
Fjord, any news? Hope you're ok.
Yomping due dates piss me off a bit. I spent the first 12 weeks telling various medical professionals that my due date was not the 11th, it was the 26th because I have a 42-45 day cycle and I know exactly when I ovulated. They still kept writing down the 11th until the 26th was confirmed by the first scan. I would imagine they might be reluctant to change what the scan told them- to be honest, I would just try insisting if I was you. Or just keep mentioning that you think your due date is wrong and therefore you won't accept any discussion of induction until x date and if they are concerned they can give you further scans to check. Why was your original due date worked out using 41+1 weeks gestation though? It does seem sensible, but I thought they all worked it out based on 40 weeks exactly.

Damn it, just had a call from the doc to say my iron is low so I need to take supplements. Last time they said my iron was 'lovely and high' and I still eat a really good diet. Guess baby is taking everything I've got. Grumble.

LoopyLa Tue 02-Oct-12 09:10:49

Gosh Planktonette that's awesome news!!! Well done!! thanks

FjordMor Tue 02-Oct-12 09:20:47

Ah squid- induction is slow & all we are doing else is lolling in bed & watching telly. Seems daft not to spend time online! You're doing amazingly smile; it's great to hear your updates and the pic is just lovely (did I say that last night? My brain is fudge...confused).

Planktonette - congratulations!! smile. Can only dream my active phase will be as quick! (Or was that the whole thing?!) Hope you get some much needed sleep!

I slept over 6 hours & woke to surprisingly regular and spiky contractions on the trace which, so far despite them being quite close together now, I'm still just experiencing as niggly backache & a feeling of bad cystitis (but was inexplicably hardly feeling at all first thing, despite watching the trace rocket up to 100!)). I'm still calm & positive, lolling watching telly & joking with DP. Walking's not good, until i get going a but anyway - a bit like having a hot poker thrust up the fanjo and now just waiting, after another morning pessary, to see if they'll break my waters at midday & move me into the delivery room (I wasn't quite dilated enough when they woke me). Am quite hopeful baby fjord will make an appearance by the evening.

The midwife team here are all lovely & amazing. I've got some acupuncture lined up for pain relief later on during delivery and somewhat astoundingly, we're the only couple yet to deliver in the delivery suite at the moment so we have the whole team's undivided attention! Of course, I'm focussing on the positives...any time from an hour things might get horrid but so far I'm calmed and confident about my experience; I'm feeling cosy, safe & looked after. I am in some reasonable & more or less constant pain now but it's manageable and im finding breathing, smiling, laughing & distraction helps! Thinking of my other induction chums and hoping for news, before checking my phone becomes impossible. Contractions have just started to ramp up since I've been writing so I'll sign off for now - need to go & sit backwards in a chair!! Sending everyone pre & post labour zen vibes. Much love to all xx

Elpis Tue 02-Oct-12 09:41:08

Angelico Are you taking enough Diclofenac and paracetamol? I'm on 3x 1 Diclofenac in 24h and cutting down from 8 paracetamol spaced over the same period. (Don't have tablet sizes to hand - sorry). Your GP should be able to prescribe something else if you're in pain. So sorry to hear you feel inadequate. Trust me - getting breastfeeding going properly is a big, big achievement. No one ever discusses it until you get pregnant except to fling an opinion into the 'mafia' wars, you hardly ever really see a woman latching her baby on, and you sit at home, often alone, wondering if you're doing it properly. It may be obvious, but can you raise the mattress level of your cot to make it easier to pick up the baby? For some reason this never occurred to me last time. And babies don't have to be in a cot overnight. A Moses basket will do.

On bed sharing, I looked at the risk factors that can make it dangerous and established that only one (baby under 4 months) applied, so long as I stopped using a duvet on the bed. There's a site called Analytical Armadillo that has a good post on the subject. Nonetheless it's reassuring that one of the doctors on our thread is co-sleeping too! Thanks squidkid. I love the photo.

Kyyria Tue 02-Oct-12 10:01:29

Yay for planktonette and good luck for fjord - sending you both thanks

Elpis Tue 02-Oct-12 10:09:16

Planktonette Congratulations! So pleased for you. Grunting sounds entirely normal. DS does it all the time when awake and not feeding.

Velo Tue 02-Oct-12 10:55:59

Congratulations planktonette and hope everything is going well with fjord

For those of you still waiting to go into labour I forgot to mention that in the early stages (between 3-5cms dilation) the I found that the most comfortable position was sitting on the toilet!! I basically went to and fro - lying on the couch between contractions and then sitting on the toilet. Managed this for about 5-hours until I realised that by the time I'd positioned myself on the couch the next contraction was starting (that's when I realised that perhaps it was time to go to the hospital!).

Kyyria Tue 02-Oct-12 11:44:45

Have unloaded and unpacked the tescos delivery, and picked up the post off the floor. Am now considering sitting down for the rest of the day to recuperate!!! blush confused

Think the stomach cramps I've been getting are BH - when I was unpacking the shopping I was getting what felt like the LO wriggling but he wasn't moving, so I'm presuming that was BH again. Don't know whether to be proud or nervous! smile

32, 36+2, #1

Londonmrss Tue 02-Oct-12 12:07:35

Huffle I'm joining you in the sore arm brigade. I now have flu in my left arm and whooping cough in my right. The right arm is pretty sore now, apparently it's because it contains tetanus as well so I'm using it as an excuse to put my feet up for the day.

Baby brain moment yesterday. Thought I'd bake some bread, so put it all together then left it in the boiler cupboard to rise. Then forgot about it. Only just discovered it now. It has certainly risen- looks like something out of an 80s B Movie that's trying to take over the world. Not sure if I should cook it or chuck it.

Kyyria I'm a bit jealous of your BH! I still haven't felt anything.

ValiumQueen Tue 02-Oct-12 12:36:09

Hi there, just popping over from the November thread.

Forgive me, I have not read the thread in its entirety, but just wanted to check you all know about the whooping cough vaccine. I am due to have a section on 25th October, so like many of you ladies are running out of time to have the vaccine as ideally it should be given as soon after 34 weeks, and prior to 38 weeks as it takes 2 weeks for the antibodies to pass to the baby. If baby arrives before the two weeks, they are offered some protection in as much as mummy is protected. If you do not have vaccine pre birth, it should be offered post birth for the same reasons.

After considerable complaining, including to Public Health Department, I am getting my vaccine today. I would encourage you all to be pro-active approaching your GP surgery about this, as guidance has been issued to all GPs that they can give it to mums near their due date, at their request, before the official paperwork get to them. It is the same injection as pre-school kids get.

If I am telling you what you already know, I apologise.

There is more info on the whooping cough thread in pregnancy.

I wish you all well with your deliveries.


hufflepuffle Tue 02-Oct-12 13:00:56

Thank you VQ ! Just been for mine, flu also. 38 + 2 today so hopefully timing ok. By time baby comes there will be more info as to whether my timing good enough. Assuming so, will keep up to date.

Londonmrss sympathy on sore arm. Baby brain here cannot remember 2 hrs later which went in which arm.........! Even tho I had to confirm it twice with nurse!! Guess I'll be having one sore one soon enough! Yes, tetanus and diphtheria too!! And apparently that should now be tetanus for life due to how program has operated over the years. V helpful!!

Kyyria sounds like a busy morning...... Put your feet up. Mine was supposed to be unproductive, jabs took up the morning. Need to go put wash and water in the windscreen squirters, hav my lunch then SIT!!!! Jeremy Kyle and Doctors here I come!!! I never watch TV, looking forward to few days of it!!

Velo that is excellent advice to sit on loo!! Makes perfect sense. Must remember that!

Radio silence from Wantan hopefully means good things happening!!

Rather proud of my baby. Has managed to move itself to left occiput anterior again!!! Loving the wee foot back on my right rather than left and hoping it now stays here for optimal birth position!! The big bum pushed right up in to my stomach etc is not just as lovely...... But I will excuse it!

Now, am I going to manage this relaxing lark........?! X

Katla Tue 02-Oct-12 13:29:06

Congratulations to Squid and Planktonette on your new arrivals - and for sharing your stories.

I've been relying on the effectiveness of the hypnobirthing CD - doing all my breathing in the golden light, imagining perfect beaches etc for my labour and am disappointed that it went out the window for you Squid. I have to say that I can't actually manage to stay awake to the end of it now - I drop off soundly at about 20 mins every time now! I'm not due til Thursday but am optimistic baby is going to be on time smile

Yomping - laughed at your list of woes - I think I share them all - as well as having a numb arm problem where I constantly wake with pins and needles in my right arm when lying on my left side.

I am also hopeful that DC is going to be a girl - because DH and I can't agree on a boy name that we both like. DH wants to name the baby after him if it's a boy - like tradition being named after his father. What's your thoughts on that? I'm struggling to get him to come up with any other suggestions and he rejects any suggestions of mine. DH is called Erlend by the way. I like it as a name but would rather that the baby have his own identity - and if I'm yelling 'do the dishes' at someone in future then at least it will be clear who!

WantAnOrange Tue 02-Oct-12 13:39:24

Congratulations Planktonette

Artemis Lily was born last night, in hospital, at 6:30pm, weighing 7lbs 2oz. She is very healthy and we are back at home already.

Do you want me to post birth story or shall I put it on post-natal thread? I don't want to scare people who haven't had their babies yet!

LoopyLa Tue 02-Oct-12 13:42:00

huffle let me know if you feel any icky symptoms from the flu/whooping jab as I'm having a dose of those together in a few weeks!

Kyyria doing ANYTHING exhausts me at the momentso not surprising you want to get on the sofa with a brew I'd probably add a biscuit or 3 as well to get your energy levels back up wink

LoopyLa Tue 02-Oct-12 13:43:06

YAY!! Well done WantAnOrange!! thanks

hufflepuffle Tue 02-Oct-12 14:04:44

Yayyyy Wantan!!!!!! Welcome to the world Artemis Lily!!! And home already, lovely!! Take care of yourselves girlies.

Post away (I think, unless anyone disagrees of course!) Yes, the stories make me faintly uncomfortable, and may make my notions fly out the window!!!! But all good to know!!!! And I am soaking up the birth stories!!

I will let you know Loopy if I start to feel poorly. Hoping not!

YompingJo Tue 02-Oct-12 14:39:32

Yay WantAnOrange, well done you! Impressed you are back at home already, hope you are taking it easy. Bit put out that you chose to go with your original choice of name rather than Kumquat, to be honest, but think I will forgive you eventually grin. Birth story please, it's lovely to hear them all even if some of them are more realistic that the naive first timers among us are hoping to hear!

Loopy, agree about tea and biscuits - I had to test some jaffa cakes earlier, to make sure they would be good for labour - it wasn't overly greedy to test a whole packet, right? hmm (and I keep forgetting I did that and wondering why I'm not hungry for lunch yet, doh)

MrsC, I thought original due date of 19th was too late at time but have since read somewhere that 288 days (which is 41+1) is a more common gestation in first time mums. Have just googled again but can't find where. Think I should settle for October 12th and then stop thinking about it, starting to drive myself a little nuts with all the possibilities! Feel pretty relaxed apart from this but it is obviously niggling at me so I'm probably less chilled than I thought, could well be the precursor to a full on hormonal meltdown, haven't had one of those for a while confused

smileyhappymummy Tue 02-Oct-12 14:40:15

Congratulations to planktonette and wantan - can't wait to read birth stories! squid gorgeous photo, if anyone else feels like posting photo would love to see, I love babies!
To those wondering about jabs I had both whooping cough and flu yesterday - bit on the late side but thought better than not doing at all - and feel absolutely fine today other than arms being very achy, absolutely no flu like symptoms. I've never felt fluey with flu jab either and have had it every year for the last 10 years or so (though may just have been lucky!)
Currently busy with a mega cooking session which is keeping me happily occupied - although I'm knackered and not sleeping v well I find if I stop for long I just start fretting and feeling anxious so think am best kept busy.
Hope everyone is recovering ok post delivery, remember to be gentle with yourselves ladies, no matter how babe was born you have done an amazing and exhausting thing so take it as easy as you can and keep reminding yourselves how incredible you all are.

smileyhappymummy Tue 02-Oct-12 14:41:22

Meant to see fjord hope baby fjord is well and truly on his / her way and that you are doing alright, looking forward to hearing your news.

Londonmrss Tue 02-Oct-12 14:50:29

Yey Wantan! Good work.

Can I possibly make a tiny request? If your birth story is what you would consider to be negative, by all means post it, but please can you just note on the top if it could frighten those of us who have yet to give birth?

I'm not totally unrealistic, and I don't consider Squid's story to be a negative one, but a really empowering and positive story.

By a 'negative' attitude, I mean like my friend who likes to say things like 'Oh my god, you're having the baby at a birth centre? If I'd done that, my baby would definitely be dead.' It's not even true- she can an emcs. Hospital transfer is less than 10 minutes from my birth centre- I'm pretty sure no emcs would have been performed within that time. Rant over. Sorry, I just don't like people who seem to WANT to scare others. But I know none of you ladies are like that at all.

Any news from CWest? I hope your little one is doing well. Do you know when you'll all be home together?

bella2012 Tue 02-Oct-12 15:44:49

hi everyone.

Congratulations planktonette, so glad your little one is here and that it was relatively swift! Can quite imagine that it didn't feel that quick to you though. Hope your worries about fissures were unfounded? How are you recovering?

wantan how wonderful! Congratulations to you! Go ahead with your birth story. Hope it wasn't too traumatic?

huffle hope you are enjoying relaxing!

yomping thank you for the sympathy. Am feeling a lot better this morning as my dh was so lovely to me last night. He has been making a birth playlist for me to listen to at hospital as last time we just had Kate rusby on repeat for four days! He let me listen to some of the music he had chosen over dinner and it was so lovely and thoughtful. God I love that man! I just hope the baby doesn't come while he is at work as he commutes to the other side of the country! I need him there with me.
You have got me craving jaffa cakes now! Def going to get some for the bag! Shame you have that confusion about your due date. Do you feel like you are nearly there? I know that is a stupid question, but I haven't had any bh or anything and baby isn't engaged so i just feel like I am nowhere near things starting off.

fjord you are such an inspiration! Love that you are so chilled
and positive. I hope that the rest of it is as good for you. Sending much love xx

Zara1984 Tue 02-Oct-12 16:38:45

Congrats wantan!!! Yes, defo keen to hear your birth story!

Re: whooping cough - just adding a quick note to those that live in the Republic of Ireland (like me) and are wondering whether the health authorities are going to make the same recommendations here.

I called my Domino team at the maternity hospital (Dublin's Rotunda) and was told by the mw the hospital is having a meeting/making a decision tomorrow about whether they're going to follow the UK recommendations.

I was not vaccinated against whooping cough (my mum bought the "it causes brain damage" populist line hmm back in the 80s) so I that's why I'm actively chasing up about it.

Starting to hit the wall at work... I'm so tired.... why did I say I'd work till 38 weeks?!?!?! After today I have 6.5 days to go sad

36+4 today.... tick tock tick tock...

Londonmrss Tue 02-Oct-12 17:02:53

Christ, Zara, you are amazing. I'm 36 + 4, exactly the same as you and finished work last week. I think it was the right time as I'm feeling so heavy and tired and uncomfortable now. I just don't think I could have carried on- well done you.

Just popping in to say Congratulations Plankton and Wantan. Love the name! Fjord Thinking of you, hoping that you are progressing well or have had your little one by now!!

londonlivvy Tue 02-Oct-12 17:48:02

Loving the birth stories and advice - Congrats planktonette!

Now... selfishly I need your advice and collective wisdom on the subject of nursing bras. I just had my worst retail experience ever in bravissimo and left empty handed, in tears, having been brusquely (even brutally) manhandled into ill fitting, hideous monstrosities.

I am currently wearing 34FF. I used to be a 30F. I assume that when baby is no longer pushing my ribs out, i will be a 32. I have some bra extenders I could use for a temporary period. Does that seem logical? Bravissimo wanted me in a 34 or 36 which makes no sense to me. I'm not going to get fatter once she's born, though the cup size will be bigger, sure.

As for cup sizes, how many cup sizes will I go up when milk comes in? Bravissimo says two. Frankly I trust your advice more!

So... when you go down a back size, you go up a cup size, which would make me currently 32G, So I would need a nursing bra in 32 H. I think?

All help and advice v v welcome. Also any brands that are moderately attractive... I like hot milk but they don't do this size. Also found cake lingerie which seem ok.

Or recommendations of decent bra shops? Mothercare don't do my size. Not sure I have the mojo to go to john Lewis in oxford street.

Sorry for self centered waffle. Thanks ladies.

YompingJo Tue 02-Oct-12 17:58:16

Just heard from other thread that Milk has been taken in to be induced (due to PE) so another baby on the way! Hope she doesn't mind me sharing, thought you'd all want to know.

Planktonette Tue 02-Oct-12 18:14:24

Well, here we are in the MLBU, waiting to be allowed to go home, so it seems as good a time as any to tell the birth story!

Thanks for congrats, all smile

They say every birth is different... Well, it turns out there's different and then there's different. And then there's me.

Went to bed at about ten. On my way to bed, had a serious, crampy, period style pain. But it couldn't be contractions, I figured, because there was no dip - just a steady, getting-worse, strong as the dickens hurt.

Eleven pm and we figured this was Not Normal, so we called the birthing hospital. They said to come in.

We were whisked through the beautiful lovely MLBU to the dreich old medical unit - Lord was it grim. The midwife asked me about baby's movements, and I'll admit, I exaggerated his not moving much for the last two days, because I was terrified of being sent home. She gave me a check - 2 cm dilated.

The pain was now starting to swing a little between 'extreme' and 'a bit less than extreme' - kind of resolving into more contractiony sensations, but without the rest break between. 

I reeeeeeally did not like the medical unit, not at all, so after I'd seen a doctor (who almost sent me home) I asked to be moved back to MLBU. This involved a subtle acting balance of 'don't send me home I'm totally in labour' and 'but I'm totally well enough to go to the MLBU, that's just fine'. She agreed - bless her good and kind heart.

It was now about 1 am, and the 'contractions' were now about - are you ready? - 2.5 minutes apart. shock

Almost immediately that I got to the MLBU, I had a crazy strong urge to push on the contractions - so strong that it became increasingly hard, then impossible, NOT to push. I got offered codeine and paracetamol, and took them basically because they were there and I was getting desperate. One midwife sort of wandered in and I told her about the pushing urge, so she told me to sit on a birthing ball, to help manage it, which it did to a point. I was now anticipating a reeeeeeeally long night, so I tried to lie down between contractions instead of walking around, so as to conserve energy. (I think they actually slowed at this point, to about one every five minutes, but still with the constant pain between.)

I knew full well those contractions were telling me to push. But I'd been assessed as 2cm dilated an hour or so before, and (I found out later) they don't like to do cervix checks less than four hours apart. On the basis of the previous check, I shouldn't even have been in proper labour. But it felt so serious that I insisted that DH find me My Midwife (not Mrs Wander-In) and get me checked properly. 

The conversation goes a bit like this: 


Her: It's really a bit early for all that. And I'd rather not do a check just yet, it would be better just to let labour establish itself naturally, then we can start you on pain relief. 


Her: I'd rather not. You haven't yet really shown any signs of proper labour.


Her: asking for pain relief...


Her: ...or having the urge to push...


Her: sigh ok then, let's have a look, shall we?

...and that is how we found out I was fully dilated.

Yup. True story.

Mum and DH were troupers, up to and including fishing bits of poo out of the water bath with a fishnet shock. I got my scream on, and, at 3.15 am - boom! Baby. I have no idea how long it took to push him out, but I think from the point I knew his head was coming out to him fully emerging was four, five, or six separate contractions. 

Five and a half hours might sound fantastic, but bear in mind - I had basically 0 breaks from the pain.

Things I learned: 

1. My squeezing-out-the-baby muscles are my pooing muscles. As he was crowning. I genuinely thought I was pooing (I wondered where a poo that big came from! The uterus, apparently smile )

2. Crowning didn't hurt - it STUNG. Really really stung. And it wasn't as fast as on OBEM!

3. They come out squashy.

4. After birth, bits of me had distended and extruded that I didn't even know existed. Best investment: a 20 p jug from asda, to pour over my bits while weeing after giving birth (see: stinging.)

5. Be sure and tell your midwife if you think something isn't right! 

6. Gas and air made me gag, then vomit. I did the whole thing on a couple of codeine and two paracetamol, which didn't even touch the sides (they were given while I was in - ha ha ha - 'Pre-labour' aka 2 to 10 cm dilation in a couple of hours). Not by choice, it just turned out that way. I don't think there's any kind of lesson in that, apart from that it can be done.

7. I did not get hit by the Love Truck. At the moment, I'm interested in my baby, and I like him, but I don't have an overwhelming surge of love. I'm cool with it - I know the love will come, just not as fast as it does for some > I'm not failing anyone (let alone DS, who, frankly, doesn't even know he's been born yet!)

8. Everyone keeps saying 'oh well done', but frankly, the conscious, thinking 'I' had little to do with anything (apart from insisting on that cervix check, and thank God for that!) it's pointless saying 'I' did a good job, 'I' was pretty much a conduit for the whole event - if it was up to 'I', 'I' DEFINITELY would not have picked the high pain/high speed/high confusion route.

Hope that helps, all! I salute you grin

Planktonette Tue 02-Oct-12 18:16:57

Tl:dr - DS1 from zero to cord-cutting in 5.15 hours. Clearly DC2 will be born in a Sainsburys car park.

hufflepuffle Tue 02-Oct-12 18:28:00

Ooooof!! Plankton!!! Wham bam thank you mam!!! Not a bit of wonder u r in shock......! Well done anyhow, will all hit u once home, so take care!! Gosh, I'm in shock and I've only read about it!! Thanks for keeping us in loop. Xx xx

Londonmrss Tue 02-Oct-12 18:51:10

Great story Plankton! Intense but short- I like that idea!
I too have been wondering if I'll look at my baby and fall instantly in love, or if it will be intrigue that gradually grows into love and adoration.

hufflepuffle Tue 02-Oct-12 19:06:00

Londonlivvy sorry chicken, I'm of the more common DD size and have opted for the multi sized stretchy types like bravado silk. Room for growth post birth cos no idea how will change. Hopefully some of these ladies who are 2nd timers can help you. Hope u get sorted.

Had my fill of bra fitters too, glad to hav found these stretchy ones. But that doesn't help u!! Good luck, tis a tricky one. X

crazypaving Tue 02-Oct-12 19:10:01

So many congratulations, Plankton and loved your story. It's all in the telling...grin Sounds very exciting, and well done you for being so assertive! That's where I went wrong last time. I hope you recover well and quickly - excellent description of your bits, btw - the whole Frankenstein-ness of them was massively shock for me last time. I thought I'd turned inside out! <shudder>

Wantanorange well done you, and welcome Artemis/Kumquat! Sorry wink Hope you're doing well.

squid lovely photo, and gorgeous Jess!!

Fjord thinking of you, hope it's all GONE well and you have your baby now!

yomping like your attitude re. due date - keep us updated as to how you get on persuading your mw.

elpis hope you're ok and have recovered from your mad trip out. I second what everyone has said about recovering from major abdominal surgery! Give yourself a break, woman!!

Big hello and wave to everyone else.

I'm just a bit fed up. And fed up of being fed up, and moany, and boring, and big and fat and in pain constantly. I ended up crying on DH in bed last night because my pelvis was such agony and he got up and went and slept in the spare room shock I've been feeling a bit out of sorts since, a bit lonely and abandoned and I don't really know what to say to him. He's been moaning a lot over the last few weeks about feeling under the weather and tired (cold and sore throat = man flu) and I must admit I haven't been very sympathetic. It feels like we're in competition for sympathy and we're both losing. I'm trying not to complain too much but he really doesn't seem to understand how tough I'm finding it at the moment.

I'm 39+2, DS was born at 39+5 and I'm trying not to expect another early one this time. It's hard though sad

Arrrggghhhh will try to come back and post when I've got something positive to say...sorry to be such a massive fat arse moany pants.

hufflepuffle Tue 02-Oct-12 19:33:01

Hugs Crazy you poor thing. My DH being bit of a nobber at times too. Only just realising baby will be here in approx 2 weeks and he is bricking it. Says I'm more used to the idea cos I've been carrying.......... Just bloody get over it and get on with it man dear!!!

Hugs to you, bad days outweighing good for a lot of us, aren't they? Finishing line in sight, you will get there soon. Xx

Big hugs Crazy.
Squid am loving the photo- I hope I look that good after giving birth!!
Plankton That is some story! Well done you for insisting they check!!!

Nothing to report today. Only that I am tired. and FED UP of being tired. And Fat. I cannot BEND OVER anymore. Everything is a chore. Ugh!

Kyyria Tue 02-Oct-12 20:55:34

10:35pm tonight on BBC1 there is a prog on breastfeeding "Is breast best" for those that are interested. No idea if it will be any good...it just caught my eye.

YompingJo Tue 02-Oct-12 21:04:58

Oof, someone has stolen my baby and replaced it with one made of lead. It feels soooooooo heavy confused. It has suddenly dropped and engaged, and hiccups this evening were definitely coming from just behind my belly button which means it's now OA, I think, rather than LOA... maybe original due date will be accurate after all? In order to really tempt fate, I have just replied to a Freecycle ad for a pair of tickets to Legoland on Friday (official due date) - that should ensure things get going grin grin grin

Planktonette, oh my god, what a story. So glad you were insistnat with your midwife! Midwives made me really cross, I have read so many stories of midwives who tell people they have ages to go, and then turn out to be wrong. You sound like you have taken it all in your stride, well done for that, and it's nice to hear honesty too about not instantly feeling an overwhelming rush of love - I secretly (not so secretly now I'm telling you all) don't think I will be overwhelmed with love for mine when it's born. A couple of times today I actually managed to forget I was pregnant, then the baby moved and I freaked out before I remembered what it was blush. I should add, this is because I have spent most of the day sitting down doing nothing more taxing than watching telly. Every time I get up, I know it's there because it's so bloody heavy!

What is it with nobber DHs at the moment? Glad Bella's DH is still getting brownie points!

LondonLivvy, I salute your goodly sized knockers. Mine are the biggest they have ever been at DD so I can't help other than to say I am really liking the Bravado bras I have picked up, and it seems a good idea to go down this route at first and get something that will expand, until you know what size you will need once your milk comes in. It goes up to a G so might work for you. Warning, it's possibly the least sexy bra in the world.

bella2012 Tue 02-Oct-12 22:37:53

i wrote such a massive post earlier and it clearly didn't send properly! Argh! Am so cross, but will try again tomorrow! X

Kyyria Wed 03-Oct-12 00:43:53

I have developed restless legs again in the last week. I am about ready to chop them off!!

LoopyLa Wed 03-Oct-12 05:14:51

Joining the moaning while I sup my brew & eat biscuit!!

Absolutely feel the same, just heavy & uncomfortable & everything is such a bloody chore - even just getting up!! Was awake at 3.30am & wondering how the frig I'm going to get through the working day shock I shall never take my non-pregnant body for granted again. I wasn't running marathons or doing acrobatics but at least I could properly dry myself off with a towel without too much of a struggle!!

Wow Plankton that's a heck of a story & a good lesson on being insistent if you need to be!! Well done again thanks

Kyyria Wed 03-Oct-12 06:35:20

Would proudly like to say that I only woke once last night....just a pity it was between 12:45am and 5:15am! confused

Horrible combination of restless legs, reflux, sore pelvis and aching fanjo of doom. Hate the way I've got to brace myself for discomfort whenever I turn over in bed.

I agree with loopy about never complaining about non-pregnant body. If anything I think I will do more to treat it a bit better!

I think I am officially at the stage where I'm fed up of being pregnant and just want him out. I've got another 25 days until due date - is it physically and mentally possible to last that long Loopy???

Have got a meet up with NCT antenatal girls for lunch - not sure how I'm going to function today. May have to punctuate my.day with.tactical snooze!

Big <hugs> to everyone - we're bloody fantastic for doing this!

32, 36+3, fat(ter), frumpy, fed-up, #1

Midgetm Wed 03-Oct-12 07:33:00

I am with the uncomfy club. Still working. Bump so low steps are suddenly challenging which is an arse on tube journeys. (4changes testerday) Sweep on Tuesday can't come soon enough. I love my bump, it's the last time I will have one an it is a huge handsome beast but it now feels like it is cutting off my blood supply in almost any position. Time to meet my baby instead I think....

hufflepuffle Wed 03-Oct-12 07:49:09

Oooof. Heavy city, I agree. Worst in bed. Thank goodness for wedge pillow, otherwise might just wrench itself off!!! Glad to say I slept reasonably well, 4 trips to loo only. Arms however post- jabs both feel like lead too and had bit of a sweat going on in night!!!

Not the most ideal day to be working..... Nurse strongly advised some paracetamol so I shall take her advice without a second thought.

Londonlivvy I would seriously try the bra yomping so kindly linked you to. Honestly, the comfort in the other style is fab and even at dd the shape far better than expected! That's the company I bought from and they post v quickly, and will happily refund or exchange. Def worth a try.

Have a nice day ladies, stars and medals to all those still working (4 tube changes Midget , respect) and lots of brew and sit down instructions to those at home- I will be joining u again tomorrow!

38+3, DC1 35.

londonlivvy Wed 03-Oct-12 08:16:26

Oh thanks yomping and huffle but I. cannot see that bravado one working for me. its the super large size that goes up to a g and that has a size 38 back. I measure 32. I've tried those sort of bras before and sadly it gives naff all support and is pullable off without undoing. (i measure 39.5 round the widest bit).

in essence, big boobs on a narrow ribcage are quite unusual and require specific support. rats. anyway, I wrote bravissimo an absolute stinker of an email, complaining, which made me feel slightly better.

Yesterday had another low moment when the cat peed all over the changing mat that was on the floor. as in lake of wee, not as in territory marking spotting. WTF? I was freaked out. I found him mid pee and shouted. he ignored me and carried on. I have Milton sterilised the mat but still feel unsettled, I'm not sure why. after all, it'll have human wee on it soon enough. I think it was partly the disobedience /blatant f. you attitude, partly hygiene, and partly a realisation that in addition to never being able to turn my back on any food or plate, I will always have to pick up and put away changing mats. sigh.

so I fretted about that too. had about 4 hours sleep. feel terrific as you can imagine. and now have mountains of work to do.

Sorry for moaning, again.

squidkid Wed 03-Oct-12 08:24:31

Morning lovelies
I still feel too much like a fraud for the postnatal thread...
I'm not REALLY a mum, surely!
Had long tricky night with baby crying a lot and not sure why but it's morning now and I am just really happy to wake up with her cuddled in my arms. My milk has come in overnight and boobs are very sore and big. With rapidly shrinking belly as well I look suddenly more like very tired page 3 model than pregnant elephant, which makes a strange change...!

I want to try and make it to the market this morning to buy a cabbage (to put cabbage leaves down bra). This is normally a 5 minute walk but the logistics are huge this morning!
1. can I walk
2. will boobs fit in nursing bra
3. will they leak everywhere
4. can I work sling
5. will baby sit in sling
6. do I have to take loads of nappy stuff
7. where will I change her if I have to
etc. All for a cabbage! I could just send boyfriend but I could really do with the fresh air/achievement (!)...

planktonette -wow - you know, that is the kind of birth story I CLUNG to before going into labour, convinced myself it would all be superfast, dramatic and impressive! I've had a couple of mates with very short labours... (28 minutes from arrival at hospital for one of them...!) 30 hours of labour later I was actually passing out with exhaustion between pushes... not jealous at all!!! Why doesn't my body produce results like that! Well I'm being flippant, I'm sure fast labours are pretty scary really. You do sound a bit in shock and I hope things have settled down now and you are beginning to enjoy baby.
I also took a few contractions to get baby once the head was crowning. Midwife complimented me on it loads afterwards though, said she'd seen so many people tear because they couldn't listen to her saying when to push and when to stop/pant.

I have completely missed the whooping cough thing, can anyone summarise? Do I need to get it/does baby need it?

more in a sec...

squidkid Wed 03-Oct-12 08:44:36

Yomping I hear you on the due date confusion, that's a tricky one. You don't have to agree to induction, as I'm sure you know. I have a friend who went to 43+4 with daily monitoring instead. She was induced in the end but says she still regrets it as she did not dilate beyond 4cm and finally had a section. She asked them to look at the placenta afterwards and it was totally healthy as was her baby. She is an unusual case, I think, but it is reasonable to wait beyond 42 weeks with monitoring and they should respect that, especially if your dates don't match.

Beccus I think your plan of wanting reassurance throughout is so so sensible. I think that's the thing I regret the most, that I lost confidence in my body working, when in fact it did it all just fine. My team were great and did try to reassure me but I really struggled with that aspect of it. Couldn't believe it when I was fully dilated, couldn't believe it when I successfully pushed baby out, etc. I hope next time (HAH! I'm going to adopt the next) I trust myself more...

fjordmor all sounds promising! Can't wait to hear from "the other side"! As ever your mellow attitude is wonderful.

Katia I'm really sorry that I didn't find the hypnotherapy as useful as I'd hoped sad I was really relying on it too. But I don't really know how much it did help. I listened to it in the early stages and I felt very relaxed, happy, and euphoric whilst in latent phase labour. I know it didn't prevent me feeling lots of pain and despair in later labour, but bearing in mind I was in latent phase for 18 hours, at least I spent those happy? (I even have pictures of me, thumbs up, pacing, kneeling, snogging boyfriend, etc...) I only lost control of my breathing RIGHT at the end, in transition, so maybe a lot of it was helping subconsciously, if not consciously. I also had no fear of labour beforehand, and whilst I was frustrated going overdue, at least I didn't spend those last few weeks dreading labour, how would that have helped? I don't regret the time I spent doing the hypnotherapy. I would probably do it again. One thing I will say is even though I was in a lot of pain and despair, I never ONCE felt unsafe. (And I was at home.) I never thought I was going to come to harm, or that baby was. I just thought I couldn't stand the pain. So perhaps the hypnotherapy helped with the fear. And who knows how much that may have impacted the other aspects.

WantanOrange aaaaaah! Congratulations! Hope you are well. Artemis! I thought angelico was considering that name too, did I get that confused? Anyway all my love xx

thanks smileyhappymummy for your positivity as always

and londonmrs what you said about my story being empowering and positive just made me cry, thank you, I am feeling a lot better about it now (agree that your friend's attitude is so unhelpful, not to mention inaccurate)

Sorry for those I've missed. thanks to those of you still at work - you are heroes.

I would like to write a list of positives post-birth, would that be nice/helpful for you guys? Maybe later... I mean maybe I'm just lucky, but I thought it might be nice to hear that some people don't bleed that heavily, that belly is rapidly vanishing, that breastfeeding isn't hurting... I am a 3-day-old mum though so hardly an expert!

ps. My brain was so frazzled I gave the wrong weight for baby Jess, she was actually 6lb 14oz - can someone clever update the list next time? (not that it matters, but it would make me happy!)

YompingJo Wed 03-Oct-12 09:02:13

<warning, this post contains swearing. lots of. >

Right, that's it. Pregnancy can fuck right off. If I went to a doctor with this list of symptoms:

- My hips and pelvis scream like hell every time I turn over
- My back hurts all over
- My abdomen is tender
- My fanjo has ached for over a week
- I get stabbing pains in what I am assuming is my bladder but who the fuck knows where anything internal is anymore
- My stomach has shrunk yet I am obsessed with food
- I need the loo all the time yet cannot actually produce more than a teaspoon of wee once I go
- I haven't slept through the night for longer than I can remember
- My belly is so big that there is not a comfortable sitting position available to me
- Oh yes, and there is something BLOODY WELL SQUIRMING AROUND INSIDE ME most of the time

I'd be rushed into surgery because there would be something majorly wrong with me. You hear that, baby? Majorly wrong.

I don't care if I have 2 days, 9 days or 16 days to go, I want this baby out of me, right fucking now! I don't care how hard that process is or how much it hurts. Let's get it on! What's the hottest curry I can order for breakfast, how many raspberry leaf tea tablets do I have left, where can I get castor oil to shove up my fanjo whilst simultaneously giving DH about 50 blow jobs?

Gah! I expected to wake up feeling relaxed today after a day of doing bugger all but I have woken up in the Foulest.Mood.Ever. And if DH comes home and says he didn't sleep that well last night and has had a hard day at work, the neighbours mighty see a beardy man swiftly exiting the house by the nearest window, minus his bollocks angry. Which I will then cook and eat - maybe that will bring on labour too.

So, yeah, that's me this morning blush confused. How's everyone else?

Londonmrss Wed 03-Oct-12 09:21:39

Just wanted to pop on to express sympathy to Kyyria on the restless legs. I used to get that all the time, although funnily enough, not during pregnancy. But it is absolutely horrible. Some things that helped me...
1) Going for a long walk in the evening or a swim during the day- anything to make legs tired
2) I think I started a multivitamin because I read cause can be a deficiency... magnesium or something?
3) A cool pack on legs during night (or just a damp cloth). Not sure if this actually made it better or just provided a distraction from the creepy crawly feeling, but it did seem to help.

Huffle I'm not sure 50 blow jobs will help the sperm soften your cervix... but sorry you're feeling so uncomfortable. My worst thing at the moment is turning over in bed. It actually makes me out of breath. Husband thinks it's hilarious. I don't. Also baby is really fond of the leg stretch- huge lumpy bum at one side, huge lumpy feet at the other... and I just can't move.

My husband's main preparation for labour at the moment is practicing so he can make me the perfect cup of tea. He's French and I'm from Yorkshire so he is only just learning the importance of a good cuppa from me- but I'm not sure that should be his top priority. Quite cute though.

LoopyLa Wed 03-Oct-12 09:33:58

Yomping I'm practically crying at your post!!!! grin grin

Especially the part who the fuck knows where anything internal is anymore and the neighbours mighty see a beardy man swiftly exiting the house by the nearest window, minus his bollocks HAHAHAHAHA!!

Sorry to laugh at your bad mood but your sense of humour through this all is just awesome smile

And my DH has been talking for weeks about how he should start preparing by looking at videos online so he knows what to expect, read my birth plan, yadda yadda yadda. I mentioned one small detail to him yesterday about birthing a child - the ring of fire - and he looked very pale and said "right, that's enough" ??!!! confused

Excellent birth partner he's gonna be!! hmm

LoopyLa Wed 03-Oct-12 09:36:13

And Kyrria I don't know about lasting another 25 days but I really just want the next 3 days over with so I can start my mat leave so I can rest. And eat cake. And watch Homes under the Hammer. grin

Kyyria Wed 03-Oct-12 09:45:54

Yomping you have really made me chuckle - you have just described everything that is pissing me off at the moment too.

The peeing (or lack of) is really starting to annoy me - for examplen had registration for final year of uni course last night , had several points where on standing I really needed the loo (urge disappears when I'm sitting). Went to the loo feeling like I was going to burst, managed a trickle, 2 minutes later bladder was telling me it was in desperate need of a pee again!I I mean FFS...give me a break!

The discomfort on turning over in bed with regards to pelvis and fanjo is disruptive - you do actually have to build yourself up to deal with the discomfort when you turn.

I'm going to meet up with some of the NCT antenatal girls at lunchtime and debating whether I can be bothered with car or whether I do public transport. I do (for once) have the car to myself for the day, .and although I can still get behind the wheel it is very uncomfortable and I'm struggling with the peddles. Difficult putting my legs out infront to reach the peddles - much more comfortable sitting with my legs open but then can't reach the peddles. Think I will bus it.

Have just had work on the phone for the first time since I started mat leave (monday this week)...

YompingJo Wed 03-Oct-12 09:46:16

Maybe cake is actually the answer today? Suspect today's bad mood might be due to too much sugar yesterday but anything's worth a try, right?

LondonMrs, it was me with the 50 blowjobs, not Huffle (well, not that I know of, but maybe Huffle too?) but only because I've heard that ingesting sperm has more of an effect as an induction method than - um - topical application grin

Kyyria Wed 03-Oct-12 09:47:04

Loopy I love homes under the hammer! Also got a thing for doctors at lunchtimes too grin

lighthousekeeping Wed 03-Oct-12 09:49:43

Ah, you poor things. My sister was due the 5th and delivered a whopper on the 28th September. Good luck all of you!! smile

Londonmrss Wed 03-Oct-12 09:53:22

Sorry Huffle and Yomping for the blow job confusion!
Really? Ingestion? I got stuck in a blow job position at the weekend and had to be helped up!

Beccus Wed 03-Oct-12 10:10:24

oh, planktonette, those fast labors do sounds full on and scary - how the fu@ck were u keeping it together enough to be so assertive? i think i would just be a howling mess. I love hearing birth stories, can't get enough of them.

yomping, yes, for me the turning over at nite is the worst - it hurts, you struggle like a beached whale for a while then have to collect and rearrange all your pillows, by which stage you r completely awake, then you start to wonder if you need a pee, and of course you do, then it kills getting out of bed and kills walking to the toilet. Night before last i was regretting not stealing a bed rail and a zimmer frame before leaving work to assisit with my night time trips to the toilet.

squid, that's great b/f is not hurting, hope it carries on - i am a bit worried about b/f - thanks kyria for flagging up that documenatry last nite - i have resolved to figure out my baby bjorn today so i can get straight down to a breast feeding cafe if i am having probs.

zara, so, so feel for u on the work front, it is so hard to be at work this late on sad

Hugs to you, crazy, sorry your dh is being a nobber.

In addition to yomping's tasty semen beverage recommendation, i would just like to share that i went and saw loopers with my friend from preggo yoga on mon. This is a film about an evil little child who takes over the world in the future. She was 5 days overdue and in the comfort of the cinema, the evil child film helped her to start going into labor....so, strangely, films about evil kiddies seem to help bring on labor - i might go rent out a copy of chucky and have it on standby.

Her labor story was pretty cool - she waddled home slowly after the cinema, did some hyponobirthing, had a nap, popped down to birth centre and was told she was 1cm and went home again. Things ramped up over nite, she got the tens out, they called the birth centre again, who advised to her hubby stick her on the bath - the bath helped, but her waters broke and there was ALOT of blood, which freaked them out. Contractions were really intense by now, they went back to birth centre about 15 hrs after we had been in the cinema and she was told she was only 3cm, and was devastated by the lack of progrerss. There was meconium in the water, so she had to go to labor ward for monitoring and she requested an epidural...and then felt the urge to push. She was re-examined about 45 mins after being told she was 3cm and was fully dilated, and pushed bubs out and they are doing well smile

Right, am writing birth plan and packing bag today

LoopyLa Wed 03-Oct-12 10:23:16

Kyrria Also got a thing for doctors at lunchtimes too what, literally????


I'm really not getting much work done today....pissing around on Mumnset is far more entertaining! wink

Yomping grin I know exactly how you feel. I could have written your post- although not as funnily as you, love your humour.
I didn't break down as such last night but I got so fed up with being uncomfortable I told DP that I couldn't do it anymore and I just want the baby out now. Really, I've had enough.

I'm going to Wales this weekend without him- slightly worried I may go into labour early.. DP would never forgive me if I wasn't here!! confused

I must also write birth plan and pack bag today.. doula is coming round so i suppose i should show that i have made some effort!! I must also start going through baby clothes to see what we have..!

Planktonette Wed 03-Oct-12 10:41:08

Hi ladies!

A quick update, in case it helps any of you lot later...

Baby Planktonini is currently the bounciest baby boy in neonatal ICU. He's caught some kind of bug, which had his breathing sped right up. Might even have been in the womb (which would go some way to explaining my Usain Bolt birth, as opposed to the Mo Farrah one we'd all like...)

(Don't feel envious of the fast birth, by the way - remember, NO BREAKS. A marathon is a marathon no matter how you cut it, it's just that I had to sprint mine rather than pace it!)

He's so unlikely to have any real problems, but bless the NHS, they take no chances on neonates!

My point in telling you antenatals this is - yesterday I was kicking myself for overpacking my hospital bag. Today, having been in the last two nights, knowing I'll be in tonight and that baby (and probably me too!) will be in for five nights at least, I am massively grateful for it! Overpack away, because if you need it, you'll be damn glad you did. (And pack double the maximum number of pants and pads you think you could possibly use.)

Planktonette Wed 03-Oct-12 10:41:51

(yomping your assessment of late stage pregnancy was gold. Gold!)

crazypaving Wed 03-Oct-12 10:52:35

Blimey Beccus! Maybe try "we need to talk about Kevin" - actually don't - I watched that when DS was in full scream-mode and seemed to hate me and it freaked me RIGHT OUT. Horrible.

Yomping I could've written your post (although not as well or as funnily). This fecking pregnancy lark has got old and tired. I feel old and tired. And i'm so fucked off that everything is so fucking difficult.

But.....I woke at 5am this morning (bear with me) and lay dozing peacefully on and off til 7am - and wondered, once the baby's here, when's the next time I'll get to do this?? It took DS 16m to sleep through the night.... And I luffs my bed. It's lucky (?!) I got pg when I did - well, lucky for this baby, anyway - because if I'd had a full night's sleep before I got pg I would've put it off for the next 4 years minimum and no sibling for DS until he was well into school! For me, life with a toddler (er, when NOT PREGNANT) is so much easier than life with a baby. (whisper: I don't really get babies blush)

Sorry, random ranty post.

Shit night's sleep, oh god the pain of turning over in the night and getting up to wee. And the fact that my abdomen is now so freakily distended that I'm confident it'll never go back to the way it was. I was so fecking lucky last time, small bump, snapped back - this time I'm going to get a proper Mummy tummy. Should've just been wandering around in a bikini top for the last year pre-preg, making the most of my tummy....sigh.

I really struggled to get my pants on this morning sad

crazypaving Wed 03-Oct-12 10:58:16

GAHHHH just found out a friend due after me gave birth yesterday. GAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHRRRRRRRRGGHHHHHHH

FjordMor Wed 03-Oct-12 12:20:10

Just a quickie from recovery to say baby fjord was born at 10.32am Norwegian time by c-section, after a second day and night of labour that I think I do no-one any favours in sharing...

She was 3.8kg/8.3lb, 15cm and is SO good - stopping crying as soon as I hold or talk to her and already doing exactly as she's told! Name still undecided & a bit jealous of DP swanning off everywhere with her while I wait for the feeling in my legs (& scar) to return.

Very sleepy, as is she, as we haven't slept since Monday night & had a bit if an exhausting time! Must try and nap while baby fjord is off getting blood sugars sorted after our attempt at a feed. Will try to get caught up once we're on the ward & more with it! X x

violetlights Wed 03-Oct-12 12:20:47

Yompinggrin Oh! You’ve inspired me to vent! 9 months of bottled-up gripes:

- At EVERY scan (3), I was told I couldn’t have one so I’d have to beg passing sonographers in corridors...
- MW copying down ALL my blood results wrong (inc. blood group) into my notes. I picked up on this 5 months later… angry
- The clinic telling me I had an infection when I didn’t.
- My GP prescribing antibiotics for phantom infection which are dangerous in pregnancy. angry
- My mother referring to how uncommonly big I am and “why did you tell her where the biscuits are?”
- Man refusing to move his bag from a seat so that I could sit down at 7 months pregnant.
- Certain people not helping us move house / redecorate at 8 months pregnant despite living up the road.
- Unbearable itching and getting up ten times a night to shower.
- Greedy *%&&?! landlord taking a month to fix toilet, tap and dishwasher.
- Having to walk up five flights of stairs with heavy parcels because the lift is broken and delivery men don’t do their jobs properly. angry
- Everyone telling me what I'm doing wrong / how I'm not going to sleep / have a life / travel after the baby is born...

I feel better already! smile

violetlights Wed 03-Oct-12 12:24:23

FjordMor - That's amazing! Congratulations! She sounds totally adorable! Hurray for you and your Anglo-norge babe... grin

YompingJo Wed 03-Oct-12 12:29:21

Oh, poor everyone today sad sad sad. We need a group hug:

(((((((((((((((( all the struggling pregnant ladies ))))))))))))))))

(and yes, I did count the brackets to make sure there were the same number on each side blush)

Glad I made you chuckle, made myself feel better in the process so it's not all bad. Have just forced myself to sit back with feet up and listen to natal hypnotherapy CD, have breathed in so much golden light there may not be enough left for everyone else confused. Uterus helpfully provided some BH contractions for me to practice relaxing through during the CD, thanks uterus hmm.

LondonMrs, hmm, hadn’t considered I might get stuck performing all the blowjobs. Sigh. Why is nothing ever simple?

Beccus, I really want to see Loopers, was it any good? Think JGL is tasty although a bit hmm at the idea of him growing up into Bruce Willis grin

Off now to meet NCT group for lunch (snap Kyyria) and after brainwashing positive suggestions from the CD, I’m planning to get the healthiest lunch possible. Then some cake, just for good measure.

Here's the updated list, with Squid's corrected baby weight, WantAnOrange's baby, and my EDD changed yet again for the final time. Hopefully there will be some more additions to the real live babies list later on today? Really hoping to hear from Fjord, MrsC and Firstbubba soon, and will hopefully get news about milk too. In the absence of my bean showing any preference for the outside world any time soon, I'm totally obsessed with everyone else's!

Due Dates:

Oct. 1: FjordMor DD1 by planned induction, Gigglewhizz DC1(?), MrsConfusion DC1 by planned induction, Firstbubba DC1 by planned induction,
Oct. 2: Milk DC2
Oct. 4: Katla
Oct. 7: Crazypaving DC2, Violetlights DC1
Oct. 10: MidgetM DC2 if induced
Oct. 11: Smileyhappymummy DC2 by ELCS, OnOfMyTurnsComingOn DC3 by VBAC
Oct 12: Lizzietow DC2 (?), Yomping DC1 (final change!)
Oct. 14: Hufflepuffle DC1
Oct. 17: Smorgs DC1
Oct. 18: Bella2012 DC2, Beccus DC1
Oct. 19: Shellwedance DC1
Oct. 20: Beeblebear DC1, MidgetM if ELCS DC2
Oct. 21: Dosomethingmutley DC1
Oct. 26: Londonmrs DC1, Zara1984 DS1, Liege07 DS1
Oct. 28: Kyyria DC1, Loopyla DC1
Oct. 30: Cherrychopsticks DC1
Nov. 1: Londonlivvy DC1
Nov. 8: MickeyTheShortOne DC1

Real live babies grin:

Sept. 20: Velo - Max 2.35kg
Sept. 24: Lisbethspposite, Paul 6lb 11oz
Sept. 25: Angelico – DD Mini Angelico, CWest30 - Naomi Louise, 4lb 10oz
Sept. 26: Elpis – DS 3.2kg
Sept. 30: Squidkid – Jess, 6lb 14
Oct. 1: WantAnOrange – Artemis Lily 7lbs 2oz
Oct. 2: Planktonette – DS Planktonini

YompingJo Wed 03-Oct-12 12:32:26

Good god, it's out of date already!

Big congrats Fjord, please do share (some of the) details when you're ready, glad she is so responsive already!

Due Dates:

Oct. 1: Gigglewhizz DC1(?),MrsConfusion DC1 by planned induction, Firstbubba DC1 by planned induction,
Oct. 2: Milk DC2
Oct. 4: Katla
Oct. 7: Crazypaving DC2, Violetlights DC1
Oct. 10: MidgetM DC2 if induced
Oct. 11: Smileyhappymummy DC2 by ELCS, OnOfMyTurnsComingOn DC3 by VBAC
Oct 12: Lizzietow DC2 (?), Yomping DC1 (final change!)
Oct. 14: Hufflepuffle DC1
Oct. 17: Smorgs DC1
Oct. 18: Bella2012 DC2, Beccus DC1
Oct. 19: Shellwedance DC1
Oct. 20: Beeblebear DC1, MidgetM if ELCS DC2
Oct. 21: Dosomethingmutley DC1
Oct. 26: Londonmrs DC1, Zara1984 DS1, Liege07 DS1
Oct. 28: Kyyria DC1, Loopyla DC1
Oct. 30: Cherrychopsticks DC1
Nov. 1: Londonlivvy DC1
Nov 8: Mickey DC1

Real live babies grin:

Sept. 20: Velo - Max 2.35kg
Sept. 24: Lisbethspposite, Paul 6lb 11oz
Sept. 25: Angelico – DD Mini Angelico, CWest30 - Naomi Louise, 4lb 10oz
Sept. 26: Elpis – DS 3.2kg
Sept. 30: Squidkid – Jess, 6lb 14
Oct. 1: WantAnOrange – Artemis Lily 7lbs 2oz
Oct. 2: Planktonette – DS Planktonini
Oct. 3: FjordMor – DD 8lb 3oz

Elpis Wed 03-Oct-12 12:45:34

Ah FjordMor, your labour sounds a bit like my first time. DD was just under 4kg. Hope the section itself was at least painless and they gave you some decent pain relief earlier on. Congratulations!

crazypaving Wed 03-Oct-12 13:25:57

Hooray fjord congratulations and really well done you!!! Hope you're getting some sleep.

This is my very first ever post from my mobile phone. Get me being all technological n shit.

lisbethsopposite Wed 03-Oct-12 13:36:02

Babies bbies,
I'm just logging on to tell my birth story (A week late) - Congrats on all new babies, I will read later and enjoy the details, I just want to get a bit of my story on paper as such ...

I was given an induction date for MOnday the 24th, 38wks and 3 days. I was only a little perturbed at the timing as I knew that was not premature, I was just a bit overwhelmed at having a defined date. I was slightly worried that all was not perfect with developments but baby was moving vigorously over the weekend so that wass reassuring. I was also having a little bit of the perioy kind of pain that others on here are describing so I reckoned Nature was moving things along as well.

I went into the labour unit at 9AM Monday and ObGyn came in at 11AM and broke my waters (easily), he said cervix was already ripened(?) and preparing for birth - something like that. Also administered a gel and said they would be back in an hour to put in drip and accelerate induction - I said could this baby be born by lunch (My SiL induction took 2 1/2 days) they said probably not as was now after 11 but later in the day. I had sent husband for breakfast and he was in coffee shop with his laptop as I knew there would be a bit of idle time. Anyway they did some intermittent monitoring, DH came to the hospital in the afternoon, but they did not want to start me on the drip as other mums were in labour - this taking turns/labour by appointment is not exactly an orderly queue. SO I was reading the paper, eventually getting contractions about every 6-7 mins lasting about 20-40 seconds each. I saw on a monitor a number going up about 40 with each contraction. The TENS and breathing was doing fine - there's no pain between contractions. Anyway between it all they only came with the drip at around 5pm (I actually think the ObG was a bit annoyed as I was his private patient and things were now late, but he was on call for the evening anyway. I can't rid myself of the sneaking suspicion that the MW let things run late deliberately ... but that is my suspicious mind hmm. I had never met her before).

Anyway when they checked, at 5, I was 3cm dilated. The gel induction was like going jogging - slow and steady so you can do it for a long time. Once they started the drip it was bootcamp!! It actually took only 45mins from the drip starting to baby in my arms. The contraction seemed to be 40 seconds with a 10 second break (it felt like). It felt like sprint, 3-5 deep breaths and then another sprint. Also they turn away the monitor but I got DH to look and the number that had been 40 (max) was now going up to 120. I asked after a while was I fully dilated and they kind of giggled and said this baby is nearly delivered!!
I was in the bed for the latter stages of this because the gas was making me dizzy and I was afraid I would fall. Anyway I turned to the back of the bed and I was on all 4s there, semi squatting and leaning forward. (I know I had a poo a this point, which I did care about and was embarrassed about, but what could I do...??blush)

When the baby is in the birth canal, there is a kind of urgency to the whole thing. I asked if I could have a break from the drip, it was so intense, but they said no, baby was nearly there. Anyway in 1 contraction, baby's head half came out and then was there, in my fanjo, in between contrations. This MW says, 'give a good push now next time 'cos baby does not like this' and I'm thinking, mama doesn't love it either. It's kind of surreal.
Anyway, 1 push a head was out and then baby on the next. grin grin

Anyway all is well except placenta decides it won't shift, and eventually I had to be taken to theatre for a manual evacuation of same with an epidural. I asked if thy us hands of medical instruments and all i get is evasive answers, but I have eventually figured (on the far side of the draped sheet) the ObG hand was up my fanjo clearing stuff out. Anyway it is probably gentler that a metal scraper. When it was all over the MW commented that my placenta did not look very healthy. Anyway here will be a routine histology report on it when I go back for my check up. I was glad I was not left to term as I think was placenta was on the downhill and now all is well.

I was sent back to the ward at 9pm, numb from the waist down. Your legs feel so enormous. it is strange. Anyway I had a fit of shaking - they think I lost about a litre of blood and but not enough to warrant a transfusion. My haemoglobin was 9.6 which they said would be 8.6 the next day. My hands looked like soap. SO I'm on the galfer since and eating red meat at every chance. (Then I had my first poo on Sunday - 6 days later!!!!!!!),

Oh yes today is my first day outr of Tena knickers - I was leaking with every cough

Baby is divine - worth it all!!
I'll check out the other thread later,

willowtreee Wed 03-Oct-12 13:46:25

Hi all, not posted for a long time but have been reading and cheering you all on. Having a bit of a sad day and your rants are making me grin am loving all the stories although they just make me want to hold my own little bundle even more. I've started my mat leave now so will try to post a bit more regularly.
Only finished work on Friday but already had an awful sickness bug and now culturing a stinking cold, just typical!
Had obs appt today as baby is still breech, have decided against ECV and they have booked me in for ELCS on 19th Oct (am hoping baby will turn before then) am struggling to come to terms with this but know it's safest for me and DC.
Do you think I could join the next due date list? actual EDD is 23rd Oct (still holding out for this and trying moxibustion, surely it can't do any harm? can it?) but ELCS 19th so not really sure where I should go.

Oh and can we add constant fecking heartburn to the list of things to be glad to see the back of?!!

Londonmrss Wed 03-Oct-12 13:47:49

Well done Lisbeth, sounds like you were amazing! I seem to say that to all of you- which just proves how amazing we all are, and what an incredible thing our bodies do.
And Fjord, well done to you- shows that even if things don't quite go to plan, the result is still the same!

crazypaving Wed 03-Oct-12 14:07:43

THankyou for your story lisbeth, sounds like you coped amazingly well. Induction is hardcore eh.

Hi willow I'm sure moxibustion is fine - can't be worse than ECV. FWIW if I was in your shoes (and I thought I was going to be) I would be likely to do the same thing, although as I'm on DC2 I might be tempted to attempt a vaginal birth. I think ECV sounds awful and risky. And I've just bought another freaking pack of freaking gaviscon. FREAKING HEARTBURN!!

On that subject, and that of evicting babies, does anyone know if pineapple juice has the same supposed labour-inducing properties as actual pineapple? Or have I just necked a (delicious) litre and given myself raging heartburn for no reason?

WantAnOrange Wed 03-Oct-12 14:36:59

Induction is definately hardcore! My labour was fast, like Plankton's and back-to-back (which I didn't know) and I only had gas and air. It was actually very frightening for me so don't read on if you only want positive birth stories, although it has a happy ending!

My waters broke at 10am Sunday morning, while I was mumsnetting! I then spent all of Sunday and Sunday night waiting for labour to start. I had mild contractions on and off but didn't naturally get into established labour, so went into hospital to be induced due to risk of infection.

I was monitored for an hour and examined which showed I was 2-3cm dilated but my cervix was still thick and at the back. They gave me a sweep and a pessary which kicked off regular, painful contractions, every 5 minutes. Things then progressed incredibly fast.

I tried having a bath, which lasted for 3 contractions then got out and cried on the floor because they were too intense and I couldn't get back to my room! DH, literally, dressed me and I darted back to my room, collapsed on the bed and was followed in by a couple of midwives (who were crap and had no idea how fast things were progressing). Midwife wanted to examine me but I refused (well, pleaded with them not too) because the pain was unbearable and the thought of them putting a hand up there....NO WAY!

My contractions were continuous and intense. All I wanted was the gas and air but I was still on maternity ward so someone had to go and fetch a canister. DH was really firm and told midwife that she could examine after they sorted out some pain relief. She kept telling me I couldn't have anything stronger but she wasn't listening! I only wanted the G&A! As soon as I was on the G&A I calmed right down and agreed to be examined. I was way out of it but vaguely remember them saying I was 3-4 cm dilated and therefore ready to go up to delivery (no shit?). In order for that to happen I had to leave the G&A for a few minutes! Cue blind panic from me!

I was wheeled up to delivery and back to the intense pain again. Midwife shoved G&A back in my hand and I looked up to see it was a different midwife now, the one who has looked after me through most of my pg. I have never been so happy to see anyone in my life and finally felt that I was going to be looked after properly now. She examined me again and I had gone from 3-4cm too 7cm in about 20 minutes! No wonder I'd lost my sanity.

I don't remember anything clearly from that point on, until I was pushing. As she crowned, midwife realised that she was back-to-back, explaining why my labour had been so instantly painful. Basically, she was facing the wrong way so, square peg, round hole! I had no gaps between contractions. I didn’t cope and spent most of it pleading for them to make it stop. DH and midwife were amazing and just like Plankton I feel like I was just the conduit as well, you worded it perfectly!

There was one point I remember, while I was pushing that has to be the funniest conversation I've ever heard. I could hear everything clearly but couldn't speak. As I was pushing I felt a big gush and this followed:

DH: is that more waters?
Midwife: er...no, she's just weed on me actually...
DH: OH! wantanorange do you want me to help you to the loo?
Midwife: I think she's to out of it to give a shit really....

shock blush

DD was fine and came out screaming and healthy but I was in shock and refused to look at her or talk to anyone for about 5 minutes. I had a managed third stage that was over very quickly. I just stopped and opted out for a while. Then some part of me registered that it was over and I looked down and fell in love instantly. DD latched straight on and fed and the midwife stopped looking at me worried blush.

She is an angel. She was not very pretty though! Her head was very misshapen because she was back to back, she looked like a peanut! It is normal head shape now…..and she looks just like DS.

This birth was nothing like my first. I’m not sure how I feel it about tbh, I don’t think I’d say it was a positive experience, although there were very positive parts of it. In the end I have a beautiful, healthy DD so things are perfect aren’t they?

Wishing everyone else slower, boring labours!

crazypaving Wed 03-Oct-12 14:51:05

Oh wantanorange that sounds full on. Crikey. The more I hear about midwives the more murderous rage I feel towards their profession...thank God for the odd decent one dotted around. WELL DONE YOU! Love the dialogue about you weeing grin Mw should've kept that under her hat and just said "er yes that's right, more waters Mr Wantanorange", you poor thing!

So it's MiniPeanut rather than Kumquat? grin

WantAnOrange Wed 03-Oct-12 14:54:34

grin I will say that the midwife who delivered DD was amazing and we are going to send her a thankyou card because she really knew how to help me and really listened to DH.

first midwife was a cow though

Londonmrss Wed 03-Oct-12 15:29:25

Well bloody done Wantan! Again, I don't see that as a negative story- although you didn't find it a positive experience, you demonstrated incredible superwoman-style strength! Again, it shows that we can trust our bodies- your body was amazing, and you let it do what it had to (while experiencing a VERY intense-sounding labour). It sounds like your husband was brilliant as well.

I just realised that I haven't seen my pubes in such a long time that I'd forgotten what they looked like. So I just spent half an hour with a mirror grooming myself. It's my husband's birthday and that's his present. If he doesn't appreciate it enough to give me at least one orgasm, I'll divorce him.

Huge congratulations to Wantan, Plankton and Fjord and a big welcome and lots of squishes to the new babies!!thankswine

And thanks for all the birth stories, so far they've all seemed relatively positive to me and not far off what i expected TBH. I obviously don't have high expectations! grin

Yomping, your rant made me giggle, I too have no idea where any of my organs are. I'm fairly confident my stomach is in my throat, but other than that...
And I'm soooo bored of going to the toilet.

Glad things picked up for you Elpis, sorry if I was a bit harsh on your DH.

Had my weekly checkup today and was told that baby is now measuring below average suddenly, after consistently measuring above average until now. It's only been 2 weeks since they last checked! Because it's such a change, it's a bit worrying. Could just be a measurement mistake, but if it's the same problem next week they'll have to get baby out early one way or another! shock How can things change so quickly? Any one know any ways I can help baby grow?!

Still tired, so off to bed soon. Love to all.