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November 2012 - but that's the month after next

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StuntNun Sun 16-Sep-12 06:33:02

Marking place!

Catbag Sun 16-Sep-12 07:47:43

Also marking place!

ValiumQueen Sun 16-Sep-12 09:48:15

Marking my place too.

LittleLolly Sun 16-Sep-12 10:41:59

Marking place... Although my EDD is 29th October so that's NEXT MONTH arghhhh!!

kirrinIsland Sun 16-Sep-12 10:43:32

Marking place

ValiumQueen Sun 16-Sep-12 13:22:37

Next month for me too LL, plus our two sets of twins!!

ValiumQueen Sun 16-Sep-12 13:23:06

evil is Oct too!

StuntNun Sun 16-Sep-12 13:37:00

You lot are just trying to beat the rush.

ShellyBobbs Sun 16-Sep-12 13:40:02

How many more threads before the babies start to appear grin

ValiumQueen Sun 16-Sep-12 13:59:08

There will be at least two on this one I reckon.

NervousAt20 Sun 16-Sep-12 19:40:27

Marking place

I agree at least 2 more aswell, 1 thread doesn't seem to last 2 weeks grin

Izzybuzzybuzzybees Sun 16-Sep-12 19:50:05

Marking place smile

pikz Sun 16-Sep-12 21:16:04

Marking place

YellowWellies Sun 16-Sep-12 22:15:25

Ta for the advice on tears vs cuts. Much appreciated. Horsey I see your mince pies and raise you a tin of Roses which our pals who came over for Sunday lunch brought as a pressie. Nom nom... feeling very wintry. Could definitely scoff a mince pie. I love em!

VQ I love the name. Darragh is gorgeous and I love sentimental middle names too. Our wee one will either have his Dad's name as a middle name if he's a he or will have my late Mum and sisters' name blended together if she's a she.

You guys are right - there probably will be at least a couple of babas turn up on this thread. Wow that's a scary thought. <crosses legs>

MissMummy1 Sun 16-Sep-12 22:36:51

Marking place. YW my DH wants the jamaican roast chicken recipe. I think it's a phase he's going through. Levi Roots' cookbook appeared in the kitchen the other day and Bob Marley is making a regular appearance on his spotify. When he swaps deuchars for red stripe I know we'll have a problem!!

Middle boys names are Nathan (after his dad - I veoted nathanial) and Angus (after my late grandad and the place junior was made area we had our first together house. These names go with all 3 of our poss boy's names.

Still completely stuck on girls names. DH suggested Katy Rose after both our mums. Or Roseanna Kate if we want to include my stepmum too (feck knows why) I'm still unsure.

GTbaby Sun 16-Sep-12 22:39:08

grin now back to old thread.

YellowWellies Sun 16-Sep-12 22:46:21

Awww nice name ideas MM1 (though I love Nathaniel and prefer it to Nathan). Yip the roast chicken recipe is from the new Levi Roots cookbook which DH picked up in Tescos for £4. Have a look at the big one in Dunfermline I bet it'll be there if he wants the full book. I can PM you the full recipe if you like. Though likely to be tomo as it's getting late xxx

Passmethecrisps Sun 16-Sep-12 23:01:51

Hello new thread. I finished the old one. Poor detective is having a bad night sad

mm Angus is very cute. Makes me think of the Family Ness - Elsberh and Angus blowing their thistle whistle. Mind you, noone under the age of 30 will get that reference anyway. Smashing name

MissMummy1 Sun 16-Sep-12 23:08:21

Nathanial is nice but far too clumbsy with our surname. I wanted Angus as a first name but he put his foot down and relegated it to a middle name sad.

You are a star [yw] - just looked through the book and found it xx idiot man clearly wasn't looking hard enough.

Hugs detective - men are bastards sometimes. Hope you're okay!

kissyfur Sun 16-Sep-12 23:17:57

Marking place...

Hope you're ok detective men are such gits at times. Hugs

kissyfur Sun 16-Sep-12 23:19:56

Oh and lovely names VQ and missmummy

TheDetective Sun 16-Sep-12 23:21:01

He's in his car now. Texting me making me out to be the bad guy. Really, men can be such utter twats.

rowingdowntheriver Sun 16-Sep-12 23:48:55

Hi everyone. I think a whole thread went by without me posting! I've been keeping up to date at bedtime but falling asleep before being able to post.

A few good tips that I've noticed and would like to say thanks for. Firstly to yellow wellies for mentioning the 8% first direct account. I'll be trying to set one of those up this week.

Also thanks to detective for linking to the guidelines on how to prepare a bottle of formula. I've been doing it for DS1 based on old advise and hadn't realised it had changed since I had him. Will have to rethink his evening routine and will probably put him on cows milk now to save with the faff (he's 1 1/2 now so doesn't need formula anyway really).

I'm just back from holiday - a couple of days in Dorset followed by 5 days in centre parcs. Was lovely.

Have a 34 week scan tomorrow to see how big baby is. If it is a big one like DS I've been told they will recommend C-section for me. I guess that will mean baby will be a bit early - is due 29th Oct so likely to be born next month. Eek.

DH21 I hope you are ok and that DH has calmed down and apologised profusely for punching the glass pane.

rowingdowntheriver Sun 16-Sep-12 23:50:12

I mean detective, not dh21

Iheartpasties Mon 17-Sep-12 00:05:53

detective sounds awful. does he normally have a bad temper? I would be scared if my dh did anything like that - but he doesnt even shout normally as he is very laid back. he prefers to eye roll at me, which winds me up no end.

Iheartpasties Mon 17-Sep-12 00:10:19

I've just caught up on the end of the old thread, it's morning here now. The roast dinners all sounded lushers!

How do you pronounce darragh? I'm not sure I have heard that one before smile

Our LO will get a Cornish name for sure. Just gotta crack open the book and find one!! haha

Looks like rain today.

Well we have a brand new baby gate up - dh eventually went and got one 3 minutes before the shop shut yesterday!! I'm a happy bunny as it gives dd a little bit of outside space to run arond in and stops her hurtling straight down some concrete steps if our front door is open. Gives me extra space to hang out washing too! I reckon I will be trying to do a load every day when then new one arrives.

OK, i must go and shower now, then im off out in the car. Do you think the rain will wash off spome of the dirt on the car???!!

Lane81 Mon 17-Sep-12 00:14:58

Marking spot. There's quite a few babies due next month-amazing! I'm due 9th Nov, but really hoping for an October baby!!

blonderthanred Mon 17-Sep-12 00:27:50

Blimey, a new one!

I don't think I posted on the last one more than once or twice. Last couple of weeks at work for me so I am going to be very busy - there will probably be a new one by then!

Baby is so wriggly and if I lean forward at all it goes crazy down by my pelvis so I feel like I'm squishing it, but I can't just not pick anything up for the next 5 weeks! It is still lovely to feel it though and I can still watch fascinated for hours as my tummy moves up and down.

DebussyHead Mon 17-Sep-12 06:45:48

Marking place

Passmethecrisps Mon 17-Sep-12 07:25:19

Another night of about 3 hours sleep. No idea why - I think my mind was racing. I feel horrendous now.

I suppose that is one less morning to get up for work which means 14 now.

horseylady Mon 17-Sep-12 07:31:59

4more mondays!!!!! Vq name sounds lovely smile

Detective he broke the glass?! He'd be looking for a new house!!

Lilliana Mon 17-Sep-12 07:38:16

Hi everyone, been reading but never seem to have time to post as it takes me so long to catch up!

Detective hope you and 'd'P have sorted things this morning and you are ok.

Thanks for asking about the nightdress GT I've been wondering about this too - tried one on which only just fit around my belly but didn't want to go up another size blush guess I should though even though belly will be saggy! Was going to ask if there were special maternity ones I should be getting.

Feels like I'm waking up every 20 mins atm and shattered this morning. Still got 6 weeks to go though until mat leave so hope I can get some decent sleep soon.

Marking place.

Morning everyone, have a growth scan this morning can't wait!

Good morning all! I have a midwives appointment today, hoping for some more info about possible home birth smile

PetiteRaleuse Mon 17-Sep-12 08:00:04

Morning everyone - looks like a whole thread whizzed by again without me contributing blush

I had a scan last week - was able to see DD's eyes opening and closing. The specialist thinks she is going to be a bruiser, like her older sister. Was supposed to see my consultant just after to set a date for the ELCS but he was in surgery and told me to wait only if I had any major questions.

So will be seeing him in a couple of weeks now and will decide on a date then.

This pregnancy has gone so much faster than the last one, and I am really getting nervous about DD's arrival - even though everything will be as planned and stress free as possible. I'm dreading leaving DD1 and going to hospital for a few days - though my ILs will be here to help look after her and spoil her rotten and I'm remembering all the things I really didn't like last time round about the hospital and the whole post op weirdness. This time will be ELCS though so hopefully it will be easier?

detective I just saw your post from last night. Are you alright and has he calmed down and apologised now? That is really not on sad

Clarella Mon 17-Sep-12 08:34:37

Morning and marking place - thanks for the (second) welcome ladies, been nicely busy this weekend. (though I'm cross you can't get maternity wetsuits <pout>)

Between the Nov and Dec threads it's neck and neck chatting rate! I'm thinking of going through the last Nov thread with a pen n paper picking up your buy/bought lists as due to riduculously long building work (most of pregnancy been living out of 2 rooms, a microwave and one tap in bathroom washing up with the sodding shower) and so barely thought of any baby related stuff except blind panic that it needs to be done soon! Had a functional.kitchen for a week now, and need to focus on upstairs but at least we now have more than 2 rooms to live in!

Over on the Dec thread were a little perturbed at your last thread which mention early arrivals :/ so time to get my head out of sand!

I've been waking up bang on 4 am for the last week and really awake too - tried to tell DH that insomnia is normal in pregnancy, (he thinks I'm approaching it wrong) anyone else having the same?

Sorry you had a bad night detective hope its better today x

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Mon 17-Sep-12 08:54:16

detective hope things are ok.

DH and I had a massive falling out over the weekend due to some fibbing on his part - he did something he know I wouldnt like, then fibbed about it, and stuck to his story despite it OBVIOUSLY being utter tosh for three days until he admitted it was a fib. So after a big discussion about trust etc, we seem to be back on track, but I was raging. He only does it to stop himself looking bad, but fails to see how it has a wider impact.

Sometimes, I feel like I am actually parenting my own DH and I am the only adult in the house/relationship. Grrrr.

We then spent the entirety of yesterday shopping for new furniture for DD's room. Including three visits to the same shop. Still not got anything. Room has odd dimensions and we havent worked out whether DSD and DD will continue to share, or DD will share with the baby in due course and DSD can go in the spare room when she is with us etc. Driving me mad because I just want it sorted, perhaps it is the nesting kicking in.

LittleLolly Mon 17-Sep-12 08:54:31

Morning everyone. Hope you are ok this morning detective.

I'm 34 weeks today which seems to have gone by too quickly!! Went for a tour of the maternity unit at my hospital yesterday, they have a birth centre there which is midwife led and I really want to have the baby on there. It's all so relaxed and non-medical. But you have to be completely low risk so fingers crossed the next 6-8 weeks go smoothly!

On the subject of nighties I bought a huge one from primark that unbuttons down to the boobs, it was only £4.50, will prob get another one.

We still don't have a name for the baby, and don't seem to be coming any closer to making a decision!!

daisychain76 Mon 17-Sep-12 09:05:46

Found it! Passme l am now humming the family ness theme tune! Hope you are ok madame and detective. Hope your scan goes well dh21.

Feeling a lot happierctoday ~ spoke to consultant and he told me to ignore what any other doctor tells me, l am fairly stable but def staying in til 34 weeks then he will deliver (will l be the first on this new thread l wonder?!) Dcs are visiting this morning and we shall be ‘dining out‘ out at the hospital restaurant. Chips here l come smile

YellowWellies Mon 17-Sep-12 09:16:35

Yey Daisy things sound much more positive. It must be nice to have a bit of certainty actually. Enjoy your 'dinner out'! I feel like I'm in total limbo - not knowing what we're having or how they are doing. Can't wait til MW and growth scan on Thurs and Fri this week.

I'm convinced that the little bugger did a very tight and uncomfortable somersault last night. At one point as they were wiggling into the new position they were lying across my bump (which looked like Stewie's head from Family Guy / a rugby ball if you can imagine the shape) and it was so painful as they really didn't fit that way and were scrabbling around to move themselves.

Am not sure what position they are in now - felt a couple of low kicks, so am hoping after being cephalic the whole way through they haven't turned breech at 31 weeks. Am doing some kick charts whilst at work and can't figure out what position they are in just now. Can't feel a firm spine so they could have gone back to back.... though there is something firm in my top left - either bum or head so hopefully they might have reverted back to LOA whilst I slept.

Lots of love to the ladies having ishoos with DHs. Anyone else think the stress of pregnancy might be getting to the XY chromosomes too?

ShellyBobbs Mon 17-Sep-12 09:16:44

Morning everyone.

And so it goes on (moan alert).

Yesterday I was just sat on the settee when I went all breathless and really couldn't catch my breath at all, was very scary and lasted a good 10 minutes, I was literally gasping for air. Eventually it settled down, but my pulse was racing again like I had just run a marathon.

So went to bed really early after doing zero all day. Was asleep, hubby came up to check on me, gave me a kiss on my head (bless) and as soon as he got downstairs it started again and this time I had the fleeting thought that I wouldn't make it! Was too breathless to shout hubby and this went on for ages, heart racing absolutely gasping for breath no matter what position I was in. No chest pains and I didn't even break out in a sweat, but I've now been left with a really tight chest and an absolute fear of it happening again.

Hubby woke in the night and said 'you will be alright won't you?', it wasn't a rhetorical question, he was really scared sad.

Anyway, I've just forced him to go to work saying I'll let him know if anything happens, before he went he got me the laptop saying 'you'll want to let the girls know', lol grin.

Detective Just what you need at the moment, as if you're not busy enough hmm

YellowWellies Mon 17-Sep-12 09:16:55

Woo I remember family ness!!!!

YellowWellies Mon 17-Sep-12 09:18:25

<Does a 'Shelly get yer ass to the doctors' dance> shock

ShellyBobbs Mon 17-Sep-12 09:19:44

Daisy That is excellent news, how long does that leave you then, aren't you 32+2, I'm sure you have the same date I got from my scan (10.11.12), if so then yay! And seeing the nippers will give you an enormous lift!

ShellyBobbs Mon 17-Sep-12 09:22:24

YW After all the shit in A&E, I really don't see what anyone will do? My doctor will send me straight up there, if it happens when I'm there they will stabalise me then send me home like Friday. I might as well just stay in bed.

ShellyBobbs Mon 17-Sep-12 09:26:26

I love Angus, that is a strong possibility for a middle name if ours is a laddie! That is what bump has been called from 12 weeks (was twinnies before that lol).

Anyone got suggestions for Irish boy names, unusual but not stupid?

SwissArmyWife Mon 17-Sep-12 09:27:16

Oh lord, these threads move so quickly!

Thanks for your opinions on hammocks, the reason I want one is that I'm a bit scared that I'll have another like DD, who wouldn't let me put her down. She has always been a terrible sleeper and even now at 18 months you can never be sure if she'll sleep through or not. (Although she is getting better bless her heart) I tried so many things with her and always wanted a hammock as they seem a lot more natural and womb like! Despite the fact I have a Moses basket, cot and a crib, (and a sling) I want to be prepared in case I have another bad sleeper! I'll have a look around anyway and see if I can find one to check out in the flesh smile

Still hearing the clicking, and am amazed its the baby's bones, I genuinely never knew that!

detective what on earth is your dp playing at? I hope he's apologised now and that you're ok.

This baby is having a good old wriggle at the moment, sometimes it hurts quite a bit when he really gets going! Couldn't sleep last night as he was beating me up, but I'm just glad he's so active smile

Anyway, will try and have a proper catch up later on!

ShellyBobbs Mon 17-Sep-12 09:37:49

Swiss When it came to sleep, my first was a pain in the arse! OMG how we had any more I just don't know. She stopped having a sleep in the day at 9 MONTHS OLD, she NEVER napped again after that. Then somebody had to be in the room with her at night when she went to sleep otherwise she would scream until she was physically sick, then wake up in the night and sleep with us! As a baby she breast-fed all night for comfort, it was a horrendous couple of years.

She's now 12 and we have a job waking her up, never mind getting her out of bed, she is a typical teenager who is knackered all the time and spends as much time as possible tucked up in her pit lol. It all stopped soon after I had my son when she was 22 months old (glutten or what), he was absolutely perfect from day 1!

ValiumQueen Mon 17-Sep-12 09:39:06

daisy I think you will be! I am sure we are all hoping we will not deliver before you! There are two sets of twins though, who may be before you. At least you are having a bit of time to be prepared for the early arrival.

Darragh rhymes with barra as in 'roll out the' if that makes sense. It does not rhyme with Tara or Lara, like the Dara off the Apprentice. I think so anyway. Only two registered in Scotland last year.

Loving Nathanial though.

Thinking of you detective. My DH kicks things like bins when he is angry, and I get upset and very angry. I sometimes worry that he will hurt one of us when he does this, but I do not think he would. He is very gentle, and this is a safety valve. Much better they take it out on things than people or themselves. Others may disagree. if DH ever hurt me or a kid, I would throw him out, and he knows this. Hopefully last night gave your DP a fright, and he will behave better because of it.

Tummies post birth feel so funny, like wobbly jelly that does not belong to you. And you do feel empty, which after feeling like you will pop, takes a bit of getting used to.

I cannot recall who said about elective sections - they are completely different to emergency sections. I encourage you to have a read of the threads to be prepared physically, emotionally and practically.

ValiumQueen Mon 17-Sep-12 09:57:05

shelly I am having similar episodes, but only when I am physically overdoing things, or having knowingly got myself wound up or anxious. I am old and fat, with a history of anxiety which does not help. This should really not be happening when at rest and not being a stress bunny. I am concerned now that your chest is tight and you are feeling scared it will happen again. Please call triage to let them know there is a pattern emerging, and how you feel this morning, which is a bit different to before.

Please keep a record of symptoms, time they happen, duration, what you were doing preceding the event etc. also if they do not want to see you, is there someone who could sit with you, or at least call you every 30 mins, or you check in with them at regular times.

I may be completely overreacting, and I do not want to frighten you, but you sound quite frightened anyway, as does your DP. Thinking of you honey x

ValiumQueen Mon 17-Sep-12 10:00:10

I am off to see the consultant today, and have a growth scan too, so hope to get a date for my section. I am hoping for 25th Oct. I would happily have one tomorrow if there were no risk to the baby. I am bored of this game now.

ShellyBobbs Mon 17-Sep-12 10:10:37

VQ Thanks, I've got hubby, my best friend and MIL checking on me very regularly smile Your post made me cry, you're honored, it's the first time I've cried this pregnancy, in fact I just don't cry.

Good luck with the consultant and I know what you mean about wanting it to be finished with no risks, bring it on smile

All fine at the scan, she's head down (yay!) and in the exact position I thought she was. The blood flow through the placenta/ cord is fine. So just got to keep taking my daily aspirin and have one last scan next month but they're very happy with her growth which is good news smile

NattyCraig Mon 17-Sep-12 10:17:20

marking place

StuntNun Mon 17-Sep-12 10:23:19

Clarella really you can't get maternity wetsuits? There's a marketing opportunity waiting to happen! Maybe you could start a specialist company to exploit the gap in the market?

Shelly how about Finn, Connor, Reece or Ruari?

Right, must go and try and fit in some nesting in around preparing for the house viewing tomorrow. I'm going to install the car seat in the car because I have two big boxes taking up too much space in the house and I want to make sure it fits properly before baby arrives! With DS1 we found out at the hospital that the seatbelt wasn't long enough for the car seat. The only time in his life that DH has driven slowly and carefully!

SwissArmyWife Mon 17-Sep-12 10:32:28

Shelly I am looking forward to the day DD wants to stay in bed! I spent the first four months of her life stuck to the sofa with her on my chest, and saw many a sun rise. In fact that was when I first joined mn, out of sheer desperation! Hoping this one is more laid back, but you can never tell!

Also I do hope you're ok, it sounds like anxiety/panic attacks and it must be very scary for you. Hoping you get better and have lots of support smile

Right, I suppose I should do some housework or something....

ValiumQueen Mon 17-Sep-12 11:40:42

I did not mean to make you cry shelly glad you are being closely watched!

Iheartpasties Mon 17-Sep-12 11:45:27

Shelly oh my goodness it sounds very scary, you seem so brave to just send your dh off to work. I am thinking of you, and worrying, I'm just hoping it's not anything - perhpas panic attacks?

swissarmy a bad sleeper is the pits! I feel for you! Fingers crossed your little one will be the opposite to your dd!

To be honest thats why we are looking at a single bed with a triundle - we kinda know dd will need one of us sleeping with her some nights - just so we can all get some sleep and we thought maybe the bed with trundle might work., who knows!!

My friend in Finland has had her baby - a little boy, so excited for them all. I cant wait to hear a name, their little girl if called Freja (pronounced freya) it works in english and finish so I guess the boys name will have to work in both languages as well!!

MissMummy1 Mon 17-Sep-12 11:53:28

Freja is a lovely name pasties - I loved it but DH said no on the grounds it was 'too nordic'. Hmmph.

Shelly sending you lots of hugs and best wishes. Sounds very scary. I wouldn't have been brave enough to let DH out of my sight! I know you don't want to get it checked out due to your experience last week but please please don't suffer!

Detective hope things are better this morning. And you made him sleep in the car. Men are selfish prats sometimes, I've come to the conclusion they also have some sort of hormonal imbalance during pregnancy.

Really struggling with sleeping. We have a firm mattress in our room and a super soft one in the spare room. I spent all last night switching between the two rooms before giving up and crashing on the sofa. DH says I was whimpering in my sleep?! God knows what that could have been but I'm a bit sore and achey this morning. Quiet lazy day for me...

ShellyBobbs Mon 17-Sep-12 11:55:14

VQ Lol, it was me being soft and you being so kind x

Definitely not panic attacks, stress, anxiety etc. is the one thing I can say for certain that I have never had, my hubby can't understand that side of me being so laid back, there is nothing than can even give me a rise.

Hoping that once these new antibiotics kick in then things will start to settle down. I'm still thinking it's all to do with this bloody UTI that I've now had for 3 weeks and that it's spread. I've had really bad back ache for a few days now so thinking it's in my kidneys so it's only fair to assume it's elsewhere causing this severe breathlessness.

I am very bored today, not used to all this lying around in bed lark grin

ShellyBobbs Mon 17-Sep-12 11:56:47

MM Thanks, have you tried a blow up mattress, I luvz 'em, so comfy smile

MissMummy1 Mon 17-Sep-12 12:07:12

Shelly I'm scared I wouldn't be able to get up off one for my million trips to the loo in the middle of the night! We have a thin, self inflating one so might try that on top of one of the beds.

Iheartpasties Mon 17-Sep-12 12:16:41

oh - now I have an imagine in my mind that is making me giggle, a big pregnant lady stuck on her back in the middle of a big inflatable mattress not being able to get up - that would be what would happen to me!! I can barely get in and out of a normal bed atm!! smile

ShellyBobbs Mon 17-Sep-12 12:19:15

Haha, that's what I thought I'd be like when we went camping, rolling off it and crawling all the way to the toilet block grin

StuntNun Mon 17-Sep-12 12:20:56

DS1 asked me yesterday if whether my baby and SIL's baby are born on the same day (she's due four days after me) does that mean they are 'twin cousins'? I said I had no idea but at least it would be easy to remember each other's birthdays.

horseylady Mon 17-Sep-12 12:26:55

Thick question that I can not actually believe I'm checking but seeing as I bough cherry tomatoes into work instead of grapes I will lol

There is no difference between sleep suits and baby grows are there!? I can't see the difference!!

Iheartpasties Mon 17-Sep-12 12:42:51

Horsey no i dont think so !! when they are tiny it really doesnt matter what they wear when they are out - sleepy suits, baby grows, onsies, they all have lots of names but are the same thing smile some with feet some without. some with sleeves some without, some with legs some without.

Cacacaz Mon 17-Sep-12 12:44:05

horsey there is no difference, they are identical. The shops like to call them sleep suits in a ploy to make you think you need outfits for during the day!

detective! I hope you are okay and managed to sort everything out with dp

shelley I hope you feel better soon

I've phoned in sick at work today, hardly slept a wink all night, been sick this am and just generally felling horrid sad

We had the inlaws over for dinner last night, mil was getting on my nerves criticising our pram choice, " that carrycot doesn't look big enough for baby to be in for long and then I don't like the way it reclines when in pushchair mode" then I was told that if I'm planning to breastfeed that I should use a muslin to cover up so as not to make other people feel uncomfortable <I don't give a damn about other people, they can fuck right off as far as I'm concerned> I was very pleased with dh response to this he said " if people feel uncomfortable then they can look elsewhere" grin. Now I probably will want to hide away when breastfeeding ( if I am able to) but her comments made me furious as of breastfeeding is something to be ashamed of angry.

horseylady Mon 17-Sep-12 12:47:33

Brill what I thought that's good then.

Sorry to hear about the poorly people sad were having pizza for lunch!!!! Yum!!

DonnaDoon Mon 17-Sep-12 12:48:59

Valium Im with you on Ian its my DH s name and we are thinking of naming our youngest son it if its a boy...I know you are supposed to use for the eldest son but hey ho. Detective hope all is calm now we all have our fuses blow from time to time x Just had midwife and babys head is still down but is back to back and has showed me some excercises ( rocking on all fours basically) to try and get it to spin on its head lol. Apparantely delivery can be more painful when baby is back to back.

NervousAt20 Mon 17-Sep-12 12:58:58

Sounds horrible shelly hope it doesn't happen again

detective hope your DP crawls back with his tail between his legs and a big box of your fav chocolates!

daisy Enjoy your dinner out tonight, im sure you'll love getting off the ward for a little while. Are you all ready for LO? 

Glad everything went well with your scan DH

I got the new covers for my damn nursing chair this morning and they are nothing like what's advertised online and the women on the phone was so unhelpful and just didn't care angry think im just going to send it all back and look else where 

Anyone having really sore ribs sad there so painful, bending over and lying in bed is painful 

StuntNun Mon 17-Sep-12 13:10:47

Feckity feck the damn Maxi-Cosi Easybase doesn't fit in the car. I have the Cabriofix and the pushchair to go with it so does that mean I have to try and send the whole travel system back and start again? Can't see Kiddicare going for it and the postage is going to be ludicrous. I know I should have tried it out sooner but the car was a bit mucky inside (too many trips to the beach/sweets/McDs eaten in the car) and I wanted to get it cleaned out before putting the brand new baby stuff in.

MissMummy1 Mon 17-Sep-12 13:11:40

Nervous we decided against a nursing chair and have 'upcycled' an IKEA poang chair. They're not great for getting out of, but when I injured my back a couple of years ago it was the only seat I could sit in comfortably. Plus it's light enough to move between rooms and it can go back to being a 'normal' chair after we've finished using it in the nursery. ignores fact it is currently sitting in our bedroom with a pile of clothes on it

MissMummy1 Mon 17-Sep-12 13:16:38

Stunt can you just get a different base? We haven't decided on one yet but there are a few options from what I can see.

What kind of car do you have? I have a citroen xsara (trying to convince DH to adopt it as his run around for work and let me have the new one) and we're on the look out for a replacement second car after the departure of the landrover happens (blub). Although in theory, the new car will become our main car - if that makes sense?

Anyway, suggestions for a baby-friendly, economical (preferably diesel so we can run it on used cooking oil blush) car that's big enough to lug around all of our dive kit baby things?

YellowWellies Mon 17-Sep-12 13:25:43

We've got a Ford Fusion diesel MM1 - it fits the bill perfectly - has a massive boot (estate sized) - you saw what we travelled home from Fife with when we did our big baby shop (two cots, one mattress, tent, airbed, changing mat, pushchair, carrycot, travel seat, two suitcases, three massive ikea bags of baby clothes etc etc). It's so fuel efficient you only pay £30 road tax a year. We're getting nearly 500 miles to the tank!!!!! DH really recommends it. It doesn't have isofix points though but you can still use carseats and bases.

Shelly wah if you think the infection has gone to your kidneys - get on the phone to the docs - that is a really big prem labour risk hon.

Grrr I still think junior might be transverse as they are fitting really uncomfortably across me. Went for a long walk at lunch to try to move his / her nibs back to head down, but am not sure they have. Damn irritable uterus / rock hard bump means I can't palpatate where their spine is. Will have to wait for some kicks. They are lovely and wriggly at the moment. DH was laughing at my belly yesterday as it had a life of it's own - I'm going to miss my bump!

Swiss after my sisters' first who was a god awful sleeper she was a bit meaner with her prem - she went into a static cot (well bed nest) from day one (to get her used to self soothing without being rocked) and to comfort her she got her a dex heartbeat bear (have a look on ebay) they attach to the cotside and play womb noises (the woosh of the placenta and sound of the maternal heartbeat) and her wee girl sleeps like a dream (other than when she is having awful reflux moments which is unavoidable given how early she arrived). Perhaps a cheaper option than a hammock?

kissyfur Mon 17-Sep-12 13:31:38

shelley could it be your thyroid? Sounds a lot like what happened to me when I was over medicated? Hope you feel better soon.

cacacaz good for your DH for sticking up for you in front of the in laws, I feel exactly the same about people who think breastfeeding is something to be ashamed of, makes me v angry

I had to do a sickie today as got the date my DPs parents are back from their holiday in oz wrong, and they usually look after DD on a Monday. Not that I minded not going to work!

DP has nearly finished painting our room now so hopefully tonight will be our last night 'camping out' in the front room! Looking forward to having my bed back smile

MissMummy1 Mon 17-Sep-12 13:37:23

YW I was seriously impressed with your car and the amount you guys had managed to squeeze into it! That said as well though, I moved house a few times in my old peugeot 206 and did a mammoth aberdeen-cornwall drive with 3 burly blokes, enough camping kit for the 4 of us for a week, a couple of surfboards on the roof and all the wet gear 4 people could ever need. And I don't travel lightly.. ever. Apart from being £240 a year to tax, it ran on completely used cooking oil and did 600+ miles on one tank (my best effort was 750 I think). The car didn't owe me any money after 2 years of my abuse and probably saved me thousands in fuel. It was also a deathtrap though and eventually blew up sad. DH has a thing against fords - maybe if I remind him they are now owned by the same company as landrover he could be convinced?? grin

ShellyBobbs Mon 17-Sep-12 13:49:24

YW Hospital suggested the spreading to kidneys to me, cervix is firmly shut smile

Kissy No, defo not the meds, my range hasn't moved at all during pregnancy and is regularly monitored.

Am feeling a bit better now. Am currently in the bath having just watched Shameless on 4OD (in the bath no less!) and will have a bit of a read on my kindle before I get out. Maybe a little bit of a potter to get some fresh air. Can't keep off the toilet after drinking my own body weight in water today, but will do so again and again now, think these new anti-biotics are finally kicking in. Thanks for listening to all my whinge arseing over the last few days, but fingers crossed that I can finally see the light.

Also work phoned me and my boss actually said to me, 'doesn't look like you'll be back now does it', then in the next breath, 'when do you think you'll be back' shock - fuck knows love, next year some time..........

Anyway grin grin grin because I can grin

ShellyBobbs Mon 17-Sep-12 13:52:21

MM I've blown a car up too, right at the traffic lights at the roundabout of a motorway! My favourite ever car was my old Ford Mondeo, my god did I drive that into the road, I absolutely refused to get rid of it until it finally died on the drive - I loved it so much, it was like my own lovely little tank grin The kids couldn't watch when the scrap man came for it.

ShellyBobbs Mon 17-Sep-12 13:55:50

I also used to have a Peugeot, I loathed everything about it damn thing and got rid of it after 6 months. I used to set off for work before hubby some mornings, and those days I used to nick his so he had to drive it, I preferred his crappy P reg Astra to that horrid thing, and nothing worked in his Astra, even the window wipers grin

had midwife appointment this morning, wasn't my usual midwife as she was on holiday. Bump measured 29 cms, which means it only grew 1 cm since 28 weeks when I measured 28 cms. Is that an excuse to start scoffing yummie things? wink Baby is apparently head down, I couldn't figure it out myself and pushing nicely on my bladder (noticed that). Blood results were fine and urine this time as well! smile
Seeing them again in 3 weeks. I asked about the home birth and midwife said shouldn't be a problem grin as long as consultant signs me over to them after next check up!

SwissArmyWife Mon 17-Sep-12 14:04:03

YW I had a slumber bear for DD that had womb/heartbeat/ocean sounds etc, but it didn't work sad I know every baby is different and if I'm honest I think DD was just a particularly awful bad sleeper and am hoping that if I prepare myself for that all over again I may be pleasantly surprised... I would like a baby that I can just pop in the Moses basket and have them sleep there for more than ten minutes - maybe I'll wait until he's here before getting a hammock so I can determine wether it would be a good investment or not. He might be a brilliant sleeper please please please and I know I'll be more relaxed this time round but still feel a little worried about it!

YellowWellies Mon 17-Sep-12 14:17:05

Swiss I wonder if your DD had mild dairy intolerance - (apparently lots of British babies do, someat to do with Viking genes, and it often resolves by the time they are toddlers) it turns out that it's quite likely my nephew did and this explained his god awful sleeping. He had mild night reflux and stomach ache. He couldn't settle likely because his tum hurt.

If you are BFing try cutting out dairy and see what happens if this one struggles to sleep (if bottle feeding try looking at one not made from cow's milk). Now my sis has cut it out of her own diet (she BFs) - no problems at all. The slightest hint (from products which label as 'may' contain dairy) and she has 3-4 night wakings to contend with and a totally unsettlable baby. Did your DD 'cry up' rather than 'cry down'? that's a classic sign apparently. She has also lost 2 stone since the birth due to BF and a dairy free diet. She would however kill for a dairy millk.

VQ and other cloth nappy users Zulily is doing a Charlie Banana sale and with the code mumsnet20, you get an extra 20% off... my hand is hovering over the buy now box, not sure whether to ask DH for permission first wink

YellowWellies Mon 17-Sep-12 14:19:06

Also with dairy intolerance - the pains are worse when they are lying down (and can be made worse when rocked as it forces lots of reflux posset up their throats and burns them so if intolerance avoid a hammock or cradle) - so whilst lots of MIL would dismiss babies falling asleep on you as 'spoiling them' - there could be a genuine reason (beyond simple emotional comfort) as to why some hate being laid on their backs.

horseylady Mon 17-Sep-12 14:23:17

Just eaten pizza.

I was very refrained and stopped as I know I'd spend the rest of the day regretting it!!! Dh has a focus, I have a Santa fe. I love my car, a shame it gets so trashed but it's brill!! I need to clean it before the baby arrives!!

I've got no idea how baby is lying he constantly shifts. I think he's currently transverse or still oblique and very forward. My bump feels huge sad he has removed his feet from my ribs (yw prob what you were feeling really hurts!!) but they do still find their way under there!!

Mw wed will see what she says. Yoga tonight!!

Tiago Mon 17-Sep-12 14:26:31

Marking place on this thread (been absent for a while). Off on maternity leave at the end of the week.

Tiago Mon 17-Sep-12 14:27:05

Also loving having little feet in my ribs!

kissyfur Mon 17-Sep-12 14:36:28

Think I might invest in a slumber bear for this LO, they get v good reviews. Sorry to hear it didn't work for you tho swiss

Lane81 Mon 17-Sep-12 14:43:24

I'm another one suffering insomnia, and I can usually sleep anywhere anytime. I'm awake from 3-6 every night, am hoping that this doesn't mean the baby will follow these sleep patterns when she arrives smile I cannot find a reason for it and nothing seems to help. Was very temped to call in sick today too, as exhausted, but only 14 working days left so going to struggle on.

Need some advice.. DD1 will be 4 on 31st October, during half term... when I will be 38 weeks pregnant, so I would like to do a soft play party, which means not a lot to organise on the day for me (unlike last year when I did it all myself in the parish centre) Do I hold the party on her actual birthday? which is Wednesday, or the weekend before or weekend after? Will people forget it is on during half term?

TheDetective Mon 17-Sep-12 14:58:38

Thanks ladies. We've had 'words' since I got up at 11 (nights tonight!) and I heard him polishing and cleaning at 9am this morning after he had taken DS to school.

Hopefully he has realised that he has to pull his weight. We shall see. I work more hours, and am pregnant, so IMO he damn well should be doing more than his fair share! And I'm on nights for next 4 weeks now!! So he will have no choice really...

Horsey he didn't break the glass, just punched it as I shut the door. Fecking idiot.

TheDetective Mon 17-Sep-12 15:02:33

When I say I work more hours, mine are full time. His are 19.5 some weeks he gets extra hours. On average he probably does 25 hours. Rarely he gets anything full time. All the way through this pregnancy he has had his basic hours more times than not.

MissMummy1 Mon 17-Sep-12 15:08:27

Haha Shelly - mine blew up on the outside lane of a major motorway through Dundee, during rushhour, and shut the whole road for 3 hours. When the police arrived I was standing at the side of the road throwing up (ms) - not one of my finest moments! I think they thought I was pissed. I drove my mum's new corsa for a few months and loved it. They're just not big enough for what we need. The citroen's not glamorous, but it does the job so we might keep that and get a really cheap runaround for him. Trying not to spend a lot of money just now so we can save as much as possible in case junior makes an appearance before I've worked long enough to qualify for SMA....

SwissArmyWife Mon 17-Sep-12 15:31:10

YW I tried everything with her - lying propped up in case she had reflux, dairy free formula as I thought she might have an intolerance, (bf had failed by this point unfortunately) different routines, different sized teats on her bottles, music, white noise, utter silence, rocking, not rocking, I even had a sleep rocker platform to put the moses basket on! None of it made any difference. Refused to do CC or anything like that though as I'm too soft. In the end a combination of co sleeping, infacol and my beloved Moby wrap sling seemed to be the only things that mildly improved her sleeping.
I don't know if it was much to do with it but when I moved last December and put her in her own room she got a little better,and these days she sleeps through 8 out of 10 nights and has recently decided not to nap during the day anymore, but I will never know why she never slept well!

Will definitely be keeping it all in mind for this one though, and do plan on bf so the dairy intolerance is a good point. Also people always say the second is easier, right?!

ShellyBobbs Mon 17-Sep-12 15:44:09

Lol MM what a day that must have been, sorry but I did laugh at you throwing up whilst the whole road was shut because of you grin

I've now got an Astra, not the P reg I hasten't to add, that also went to the scrap man. I luv it, I like Vauxhalls but would still love my Mondeo back sad I just like to drive older cars and feel the mechanics, I just feel safer in them and if anything goes wrong then someone knows how to fix them as men generally are tinkers. We picked up a Zafira for £800 the other week, we'll need it for the 4 nippers, but we are going to get a newer van and do it up with seats and so we have room for all the camping stuff so we can do a few Europe trips again next year.

That's another story, drove to Italy one year when youngest was 3, camped all the way there, fantastic for the kids, saw loads of countries, then once we got to North Italy and had a full day at the leaning tower of Pisa we got in the car ready for a good old drive. Got on the motorway there then BANG, engine blew up (newer model Mondeo). Italian police came and bollocked us and we had to be towed to a garage blush Car was a write off, we had to continue to south Italy on trains and buses and then fly home. Planes, trains and automobiles us you know grin Still, the kids remember that holiday well......

horseylady Mon 17-Sep-12 15:44:34

Unless your my in laws where the first was always much easier than the 2nd......The first is always a boy too lol!!

Detective pleased I'd read that incorrectly!!! Men are idiots but glad he's helping out more. I do more than he does. Seems to be the norm!!

ShellyBobbs Mon 17-Sep-12 15:50:16

Swiss my second was, and still is a doddle, so was the third! My second used to cry a bit too, 'oh shit' I though until I put him down, then he stopped! He used to love sleeping in his own little space, wasn't too fond of being picked up and was very quiet and content. He's 10 now and to this day has only ever slept in our bed once, he never likes sleeping at his friends houses because he still loves his own bed. He has always been a very early riser though, but I definitely can't complain after the sleep child from hell.

My third I can't really remember to be honest, so she must have been good grin how bad is that? She was a nightmare from about 7 months, but only because she was so inquisitive and was and still is a climber. She was running about at 10 months so when I say I don't remember her much as a baby, it's because she wasn't one for long. She has always got in our bed though, we still wake up with her in the middle, but these days as she's nearly 8, it's not so cute. She sneaks in, in the night.

ShellyBobbs Mon 17-Sep-12 15:52:35

I've spent more money sat on my arse in bed today than I would have being free to roam the shops! Bloody ebay!

NattyCraig Mon 17-Sep-12 15:59:09

ShellyBobbs I am the same with ebay... Sell stuff but then buy way more than I make selling... Doh!

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Mon 17-Sep-12 16:08:04

Me too - had a wave of selling recently but all the proceeds have mysteriously disappeared!

ShellyBobbs Mon 17-Sep-12 16:17:23

I listed about 20 things the other week, didn't sell any of them and thought 'oh well, my card's registered on paypal'. shock

bluetinkerbell I'd do the party for the actual day, I think people are likely to be around more during the week and less likely to forget but make sure you get your invites out a few weeks in advance!

MissMummy1 Mon 17-Sep-12 16:33:50

Shelly that sounds like an amazing trip - ignoring the slight car disaster midway through! DH drove one of his landrovers across Africa and is desperate to do another massive road trip with Junior when they're old enough to appreciate it.

My peugeot was a cheap experimental car we bought with the intention of keeping it for 3 months, running it on cooking oil 'to see if it worked', then trading in for a new one during the scrappage scheme. I kept it for 2 years and cried when it died in April blush. I had it for my last 2 years of uni and it was my first car that wasn't my mum or dads. (They both hated it). Whenever anything went wrong in it (which was quite often for a 13 year old car with biblical mileage, run on all manner of fuels and with me as a driver) DH was able to fix it. My Norwegian flatmate adored the car too and was gutted when it died as he wanted to buy it and import it back to Norway with him!! Like you with your mondeo, I would have another one in a heartbeat!

Lol, I'm not normally this tragic. Looking at cars today has brought back loads of memories of the day it blew up and my frantic search to buy a new one the same day so I could finish my last uni placement. I actually have no interest in cars at all and if we lived somewhere we didn't need one, I'd happily get rid of mine altogether.

MissMummy1 Mon 17-Sep-12 16:38:08

Oh, and don't even get me started about eBay. I spend a small fortune on it. As does DH - between the two of us I never know what will be delivered each day! Really must start selling things on it too...

YellowWellies Mon 17-Sep-12 16:40:23

Anyone considering a slumber bear (I am) what about Dex womb sound bears? You have to import them from the US but here's a linky: www.overstock.com/Baby/Dex-Womb-Sounds-Bear/5408733/product.html the sounds last 40 minutes rather than the auto cut off after 5 mins you get with the Slumber bear. I don't think though that the sound can be triggered by baby's movements or noises though. Grr why doesn't someone make one that can do both? 5 minutes sounds far too short a time for baby to soothe to me and I'd not want to be dashing into the room to make it make a noise.... hmmm confused. It's going on the list for next month I reckon hopefully I'll make my mind up by then.

ValiumQueen Mon 17-Sep-12 17:00:32

Scan went well. 33+4 but measuring 35-37. Big fat tummy, like his parents, so on 95th percentile. Good amounts of fluid, good blood flow. Everything seems good, just big. No suprise there. 6lb3oz already, but could be 15% either way. No wonder I feel so uncomfortable. I reckon he will be a scratch under 11lb and have lots of black hair.

Section booked for 25th October at 39 weeks on the nose. Very relieved. Need to be there at 8.30am which should be interesting. Need to get Grandparents to take us as DH cannot drive yet, and also need to get kids to school and nursery.

My boss emailed to say he found my package, and thanked me for my patience. Fecking idiot grin

DonnaDoon Mon 17-Sep-12 17:19:45

VQ love that you know baby birthday but a bit worried that at my scan last week they guessed 4lbs 3oz and Im due the same day as you ....I want a big bruiser too

Glad scan went well and woo! for cs date. 6lb already!! I know weight isn't massively accurate at scans but that's a biggun already!

My scan today reckons baby is 3lb 15ish and I'm 31 weeks so not bad.

ShellyBobbs Mon 17-Sep-12 17:21:50

VQ Fantastic news, and the date you wanted! Wow, I was reading up on the old 33 weeks today and they were saying in the region of 4.5lbs, my girls were only 6lb 8oz full term, you've got a nice healthy one there Valium grin As for your boss, what a knobsack grin.

Womb bear out of stock [sulks]. Probably just as well after todays spending though, don't think hubby would buy the old 'but YellowWellies said it was good'.

TheDetective Mon 17-Sep-12 17:22:46

Oh. My. God.

I just died of embarrassment.

Second hynobirthing session. Last week was just a discussion. This week a joint session of relaxation.

Seems someone got a little too relaxed hmm. DP actually fell asleep within a couple of minutes and what is even worse, fucking SNORED his way through the 20 minute session. I knew he was asleep because I could hear his breathing getting heavier, and him sliding down the wall hmm then the snoring kicked in.

I couldn't relax, just felt embarrassed and annoyed in equal measure. Waste of time sad

I know he couldn't help it, but I still think he's a twat for it....


ShellyBobbs Mon 17-Sep-12 17:24:33

VQ (comes back from checking calendar) 5 weeks and 3 days you lucky sod, I'm so jealous!

ShellyBobbs Mon 17-Sep-12 17:25:36

Detective LOL grin Sorry but it is funny!

TheDetective Mon 17-Sep-12 17:28:22

It would be if it was someone else!!!

Just glad I'm not paying £200+ for the course!

Still think twat though........

Afternoon ladies smile

So very jealous of those that know their babies birthdays already, and in Oct not Nov! smile < envy >

I'm having a sleepy day, I've had to set alarms all over the house to wake me from my many naps. grin

I have horrible sores all around my mouth for some reason but apart from that I feel pretty ok today.
Kids and DP have made do with a "freezer" dinner, kids had Chicken dippers, oven chips and peas and sweetcorn, DPis having some Salmon and rice frozen meal. I'll grab an omelette in a while.
We have zilch in the way of food, just waiting to find out when I can do the shopping, we're having a tight week money wise.

I've seen 2 people today that I've not seen during the pregnancy and both did a real shock at the size of my belly and even more do at my ample bosom, I refuse to buy anymore clothes now so my tops are going to have to strain at the buttons for another few weeks I'm afraid.

Lol detective I would've kicked dh rather hard if he had done that!

TheDetective Mon 17-Sep-12 17:34:21

He was the opposite side of the room, and my foot wouldn't reach far enough!!!

ShellyBobbs Mon 17-Sep-12 17:38:26

Detective I was OK until you said he started sliding down the wall (snoring) smile

TheDetective Mon 17-Sep-12 17:41:25

He was sat on a beanbag, leaning against the wall...! He actually slid off the beanbag, and on to the floor hmm

ValiumQueen Mon 17-Sep-12 17:55:41

Babies weights vary so much, and the guesstimates are so inaccurate, but it meant the consultant was more than happy to sign off on the section. They are gonna sterilise me too at the same time. Gulp.

We cannot really be having any more considering I am 43, and it is what we discussed, but now I feel a little sad. She said I can change my mind at any point, and she will ask me at the birth if I am still sure. We cannot afford any more! We both always wanted three, and never dreamed we would be so lucky to get three. It would be different if I were 26 years old...

horseylady Mon 17-Sep-12 18:05:58

Vq wow huge step!!! Will that impact on recovery/bf options etc?

Detective - oh dear re falling asleep!!!

I can not digest the pizza. It's just sitting there sad I was nearly sick in sainsburies petrol stationsad not good!! I only had 4 slices!!!!

May not bother with tea after yoga sad

ValiumQueen Mon 17-Sep-12 18:11:15

horsey it takes less than five minutes, and does not impact on recovery or anything. It is just snipping the Fallopian tubes and tying them off. They do not remove anything. I am 43, which is pretty old for this baby making game. I am not like you young fillies!

TheDetective Mon 17-Sep-12 18:24:31

VQ Recovery is a little more uncomfortable, from my experience. Ladies who have had a TL generally seem to get a higher level of discomfort following c/s than those who don't.

Don't let it put you off if it is what you want though, as it is MUCH better than going through a second op.

TheDetective Mon 17-Sep-12 18:25:52

When I say my experience, I don't mean my own personal experience, but just that of the ladies I have looked after!

ValiumQueen Mon 17-Sep-12 18:46:50

Clearly detective unless your name is Mary and you are carrying the Messiah! Thank you for that, I did not know that. I think it is much better than having a second op, which is why I want it now.

Gosh, big decision! I remember this time last year sobbing in my GP's office that I wanted a hysterectomy, I'm only 25 but had been told that I couldn't have more children because I had endometriosis badly, the pain and bleeding was making life unbearable. I am glad they said no though! Huge shock to fall pregnant but very happy I did. smile

TheDetective Mon 17-Sep-12 18:58:32

That made me giggle VQ! A much needed giggle!

Baby is still breech, and has been all week. I did some belly mapping, and it just confirms what I know I can feel.

If baby is still breech next week, I'm going to start the spinning babies techniques. Although, with what I am feeling right now, the baby may actually be in the process of turning!!!

DP inflated the birthing ball for me, so after a bounce on it, and scaring the dog with it, I am now sat on the sofa, with my feet up on it, so feet are elevated above the rest of me. Baby has got a right wriggle on, and is actively attacking my pelvic floor with gusto hmm.

Maybe I just needed to optimise my positioning to get the bugger to turn!

ValiumQueen Mon 17-Sep-12 19:22:32

But at 43 with 3 kids is it a big decision? I do not want to be on the pill, or have a coil or implant etc, and DH has such a huge manhood no condom will stay on plus he is worried if he has the snip his balls will fall off and his willie will cease to work. Perhaps asking this question of heavily pregnant women is not the best idea grin I tried the femidom once, but literally pissed myself with all the laughing. This baby was a bit of an accident, so not sure we can be trusted, and with triplets in the family...

eversomuch Mon 17-Sep-12 19:24:04

Goodness these threads move quickly -- already six pages in! -- and I am a snail these days! Moving house in less than two weeks and soooo much to do to prepare. Feeling a little guilty that DD isn't getting as much outside playtime as she should because I'm trying to get as much packing done as I can each day.

Great news on your scan and ELCS date, VQ. But wow, that is soon! Still hard to believe that it's just a matter of a few weeks before our LOs still making their appearances. You also have me thinking now about the option of having my tubes tied if I end up with an ELCS, as I am expecting to. Just hit 40 myself and am happy to stop at two -- don't really feel like going through this again, although I mostly enjoy the pregnancy experience. Will have to think about it and perhaps have a chat with the consultant when we have our appointment in two weeks. Must also look into how foolproof it is -- do you know the statistics by any chance?

jaylee89 Mon 17-Sep-12 19:26:17

could cry today ladies woke up this morning with a horrible burning feeling in my throat, had my usual daily bout of morning sickness (yes i am still sick in the mornings only once thou lol) and it was gone, but this afternoon about half 1..........it feels like i have a camp fire in my throat and feel like im going to be sick. anyone else get this or know what it is? its ruining my day!

also had a right nest today. absolutly gutted the living room and cleaned it top to bottom striped my whole sofa (and i mean whole sofa) and washed the lot cleaned all floors and carpets. the sofa i washed which smelt lovely i emptied a whole bottle of febreeze on it aswel. OTT much??

tomorrow is bedroom, cupboards and everything else is getting tackled.......cant wait. grin

hope you are all good and god we chin wag a hell of alot!....

ValiumQueen Mon 17-Sep-12 19:39:22

everso if you have it done during a section the success rate (I.e. no more babies) is 99%, but if you have it as a stand alone procedure, it is 99.5%. Slightly less successful alongside a section, reasons unclear, but still good stats IMO. I will be having the cut and tie, not clips. Swelling may be why it is less successful.

rowingdowntheriver Mon 17-Sep-12 20:03:06

I'm booked in for a c-section on the 22nd Oct. Eek!! Seems very soon!

Am yet to decide whether I go through with it as the consultant said it is my choice and not really necessary as this big looks to be only slightly bigger than average (last one was 10lb 3oz).

Someone up thread mentioned some threads that talk about the pro's and con's of ELCS, where would I find these?

kissyfur Mon 17-Sep-12 20:26:14

Good news on the section dates VQ and Rowing those dates don't seem far off at all!

ValiumQueen Mon 17-Sep-12 20:28:33

rowing sorry I cannot link, but if you look in the childbirth or pregnancy section or do a general search. ELCS stories are so very different to EMCS. You could start your own thread obviously. There is one at the moment where a lady is trying to decide whether to have a section due to a large baby.

ValiumQueen Mon 17-Sep-12 20:29:48

Not far away at all. DH is looking a bit terrified at the prospect. I am just glad to have a date to work to.

horseylady Mon 17-Sep-12 20:47:38

Vq I do think it's a big decision, regardless of age. However, it's one you've thought about and decided is correct for you!! Big decision doesn't mean wrong, big decision is just life changing none reversable type decision!! Your baby is a good size though!!!

Yoga was fun, I did laugh once, pretending to be a cat, however I managed to stop laughing before it became bad laughing!! Baby happily wriggling again as he was throughout the class apart from the sleeping bit time!!! He was quiet then!!!

ValiumQueen Mon 17-Sep-12 21:09:12

blue thank you for the nappy link, but at the moment I am feeding my obsession with eBay cheapies. Recently bought a cow print and today ordered a giraffe print. <<easily pleased>>

horsey you are right. It is a major decision, and I am sure, but just had a bit of a wobble. I think I expected the consultant to say 'of course you should, you are too old to be having this one, let alone any more'

kirrinIsland Mon 17-Sep-12 21:09:18

Blimey - October due dates, that's not long at all!

I can hardly keep up with this thread, it moves so fast, so I'm just going to go back and have a catch up.....

ShellyBobbs Mon 17-Sep-12 21:13:53

Jaylee That's heartburn / acid reflux, I wake in the night with it. Swig some Gaviscon and hopefully it will be right as rain smile

Oh VQ what a horrible decision. My mum had 3 kids at 43, at 44 she had 4 grin was very lucky to have a singleton at that age (she had the 3rd at 42), my step dad had the chop soon after.

My hubby was going to get the chop years ago, I hated the idea but he said he didn't want more than 3 so for me that was fair enough, I'd squeezed 1 more out of him than he originally wanted. Luckily all 3 times he tried to get one something happened, a letter had the wrong date on it so when he got there he had missed it, another we got to the hospital and the surgeon hadn't turned up and I can't remember the other one. Thanks goodness, because now I've got this wee one wriggling about inside me grin. His mum said she'll do it with 2 bricks if he's not had it done for Christmas, I've told him not to be so hasty!
If I lived in a bigger house I'd make sure that number 5 would be here for xmas 2013!

ShellyBobbs Mon 17-Sep-12 21:15:41

And hubby is the most excited out of all 5 of us and can't wait for this new arrival.

ShellyBobbs Mon 17-Sep-12 21:24:56

*horrible decision to have to make (tuts at self for stupid missing words)

ValiumQueen Mon 17-Sep-12 21:27:10

shelly 'the chop' sounds a bit brutal! Anyway, thanks for that post. I am now feeling sodding broody again <<ponders on the fact that we have a five bedroom house and a seven sweater car already>>

ValiumQueen Mon 17-Sep-12 21:27:33

Seater even. Sodding iPad.

ValiumQueen Mon 17-Sep-12 21:28:26

Aah. Missing words make a bit more sense grin

Sophiathesnowfairy Mon 17-Sep-12 21:29:09

Hi there,I can't believe the whole other thread disappeared while I was broadband less. We have it back now it to sure the speed is up to much.

I have had a quick run though the previous thread. What was the end consensus for perennial massage? I did it with number two and had a cut but wasn't too bad, didn't. Other for number three had a heinous cut but that could have been more to do with the forceps. I was going to give it a go again this time.

Bit emotional today, for no particular reason.

ShellyBobbs Mon 17-Sep-12 21:40:30

When hubby wanted to get himself done, I actually felt like grieving! I knew we were so lucky to have 3 beautiful children, but it's all so final and once it's done the choice is taken away. I know what's going to happen once this little one is born, he's going to go running to the doctors the day after the birth to get an appointment and I just don't want him to, but really, that would be so selfish of me because there is absolutely NO WAY we can have any more unless we win the lottery.

At 35 I had a massive panic over whether we should have another one, I thought we should, hubby kept changing his mind, luckily that decision was taken out of our hands only 2 years into the conversation and we couldn't be happier!

Ultimately we have to make decisions that benefits everyone, our will be that this is the last one sad but thankfully I can still come on here and moan about it without anyone in RL knowing about it.

horseylady Mon 17-Sep-12 21:48:01

Wow!!! I truely can not comprehend anything after this pregnancy!! It took so long to get this one, I don't know if number two would be possible?! I guess two would be nice, but will see!!

I think I decided I would massage mainly because if it works fab, if not well I've not really lost anything.

ShellyBobbs Mon 17-Sep-12 21:58:48

I don't mean to sound blase about having children, I am extremely lucky to be able to conceive without any problems and I am eternally grateful for them all smile

Kyzordz Mon 17-Sep-12 22:10:53

Marking my place, albeit a bit late! These threads move so quickly! Had my last private scan yesterday (put a pic on the fb group) and it was lovely to see bean again smile I have a midwife appointment Wednesday too but I'm sure that'll go fine. Today has been one of those downer days, bean is fine and that's the main thing but I've had heartburn worse than ever, a very very sore back and I discovered stretch marks :'( I know it's to be expected etc but they look so angry and red and they weren't there a couple of days ago! I was completely prepared for it, I thought, but it didn't stop me having a bit of a cry. Probably being silly, and will probably end up with lots, and it's not the end of the world, but still sad

Elizadoesdolittle Mon 17-Sep-12 22:42:46

Kyzordz I had the exact same thing as you with the stretch marks with DD. I didn't think I had any but one day as I was getting out of the bath I caught a look at myself at a different angle in the mirror and I had loads of stretch marks. All angry and red looking. I felt like crying and mentioned it to DH who told me they had been there for ages! I don't actually have any this time round and I haven't bothered with any cream. It's probably as my stomach is all stretched as it is!! But to make you feel better they do fade. You can bearly see my old ones now.

LittleLolly Mon 17-Sep-12 22:43:28

I've just been looking for stretchmarks kyzordz and not found any yet but I am convinced there will be some in the next 6 weeks! I smother the bio oil on twice a day even though it apparently makes no difference.

Has anyone had a water birth or used the pool for labour before? It's a silly question but do people wear something in the pool? I've got a maternity tankini that I coud just wear the top bit of but is there any point, will I just hop in naked?! detective you probably see lots of women in the birth pool, what do they do?

Kyzordz Mon 17-Sep-12 22:53:46

Hope mine fade too eliza, they definitely weren't there the other day, but I guess there aren't many so thats one thing! DP doesn't seem half as bothered about them as I am! I've been using cream littlelolly, obviously it hasn't kept them away but for all I know it's helped me to not get too many. I'll probably be fine about it eventually it was just the sudden discovery and realisation that I haven't escaped them I think!

StuntNun Mon 17-Sep-12 22:56:43

Sophia I think once forceps are involved an episiotomy is almost unavoidable.

Horsey you're probably right to give the massage a try since it's your first and you've already been warned that the perineum may cause a problem in labour. The papers I looked at showed a 6% reduction in the episiotomy rate so one in 20 first pregnancy women would avoid an episiotomy by doing perineal massage.

GTbaby Mon 17-Sep-12 23:37:35

6 weeks left n I have had enough. Stomach has been so tight all day. Back has been killing. Could hardly walk all day. Was slower then a snail. Was having panicked thoughts of this being start of labour blush. Only thing that calmed me down was that I havnt list my plug yet, so surely I wasn't in labour. Got home n managed a two hour kip. Dreamt I'd gone in to labour. sad.

Stomach feels really tight still tho. Just doesn't let up. Is this normal?

rowingdowntheriver Tue 18-Sep-12 02:40:36

Gah, am awake.

stuntnun I had a failed forceps delivery and didn't tear of have episiotomy (and I didn't do perennial massage!) don't know if that is rare or not though?

gtbaby hope you are ok? Please don't rely on not having lost your plug to show you are not in labour. I didn't notice my plug going or my waters breaking but it had apparently happened before getting in to hospital.

Having said that, when my last labor started it felt more like low down period pains that came and went regularly. I don't remember feeling that my stomach was continuously tight. A while ago on this board someone mentioned that dehydration can bring on tightenings and contractions. Maybe it is that?

StuntNun Tue 18-Sep-12 03:14:23

I'm awake too Rowing. I was reading up on episiotomies and they're performed in 22% of deliveries in Northern Ireland which is much higher than in the rest of the UK. The c-section rate is higher here as well. It makes you wonder how come the NHS has such different rates in different areas. Obviously I would like to avoid both episiotomy and section but that may be harder to do here than in other areas.

I wish I was asleep sad but I'm too fretful and soooo thirsty. I'm fed up of trying to keep drinking all the time but I'm always thirsty at the moment. There's only so much water you can take.

Marking my place so I can catch up

Sleepy today!
Very tempted to have an easy day, I need to do a couple of bits and bobs but apart from that I think it will be a case of hanging round the house.
Very wiggly baby as per usual, legs in ribs, just the way we like it hmm better than being kicked in the fanjo!

GT hope you're ok, I second not to rely on losing your plug. I didn't notice mine going with ds at all. My waters breaking was v obv though!

31 weeks today smile

rowingdowntheriver Tue 18-Sep-12 08:26:32

I eventually got to sleep at about 5.30 this morning and am so tired now. stuntnun, I didn't notice your post until just now which is a shame as I'd have enjoyed a chat last night!

Instead I was looking at the c-section threads and the redundancy threads, both big things on my mind at the moment. The ELCS threads I read certainly make it seem very appealing to go down that route.

TheDetective Tue 18-Sep-12 08:34:37

I am so tired. Goodnight!

I'm off to listen to hypnobirthing cd, is very relaxing grin

Little People do different things, personally I'm planning on wearing a sports type bra (read: comfy!) and not much else. I'd probably feel restricted with bikini bottoms on. Most people wear either nothing at all, bra, tshirt, or bikini top.

Iheartpasties Tue 18-Sep-12 08:51:56

oh wow my back is aching like a bitch, bump is so heavy. I need to lie down, I will get comfy on the sofa in a bit (when dh gets home from work). We have bought a wrap today - its made over here, but there must be similar ones in the uk, its a hugabub. www.hugabub.com/ . I hope I get on with it! who knows.

ShellyBobbs Tue 18-Sep-12 08:57:15

I'm considering nipple tassels, Barbara Windsor style to jazz up the post birth pictures, don't know what the midwife is going to think though grin

Iheartpasties Tue 18-Sep-12 09:02:27

shelly arf.

Iheartpasties Tue 18-Sep-12 09:02:55

My nipples tassels would have to be the size of bin lids ...

ValiumQueen Tue 18-Sep-12 09:26:58

I have started referring to baby as Darragh to DH. It is now not working for him. Grr! It was not hard with the girls, and we had the same boy name in reserve both times.

Iheartpasties Tue 18-Sep-12 09:33:55

oh names! today I have been saying my dads name to myself trying to see if it would fit for a new baby. I dont know. Argh!

StuntNun Tue 18-Sep-12 09:36:48

+1 Pasties

GT my waters have broken twice and I never saw a plug so don't count on that sign to be sure you're in labour.

I always thought this would be my third and last child but there's such a big gap between DS2 and this one that I wonder if I might be tempted to try again. DS1 will be nearly 10 and DS2 will be 6 when this baby is born. But it took so long to get pregnant with this one and I'm getting on a bit, and to be honest I'm not sure I would like go through all the worrying and stress of being pregnant again. My first two pregnancies were so straightforwards and relatively trouble free but after miscarrying in December I've spent this whole pregnancy fretting. Maybe if this one doesn't have blue eyes I'll try for another....! Then there would just be the talking DH into it. Maybe I'll stick with the puppy idea!

Has anyone involved their partner in the decision-making process for labour? I remarked to DH yesterday that if the baby was back-to-back or breech then I would ask for a section. But it's his baby too so I'm not sure whether that decision is mine alone. He's going to be the one looking after three kids, cat, dog and me while I recover from a section. My instinctive reaction is that it's my body, my decision but that's not really true is it? He sweetly asked if there was anything he should be doing to prepare for labour so I have asked him to look up breathing for labour so that he can help me with that as I'll probably be a bit panicky and not able to think straight.

Evilwater Tue 18-Sep-12 09:39:55

Hello ladies,
I had a wonderful time in bath. The massage was the best thing ever. I would really recommend it. She did my back, my neck, and the lower legs and feet.
I was in heaven.

It was nice to get away from the house, and DP, and just be me. I had the best noodles ever, it was freshly cooked and made, also the portion size was huge.

The hotel was not very good. There was food for breakfast, but no plates and cups sad

Now I'm back, and the house needs cleaning. The washing needs doing, groan.

Glad you had a nice time Evil one of my good friends lives in Bath, it's a beautiful city. smile

Can I ask? Does anyone else have a fluffy bump? blush I don't have a dark line of hair like some women do but have sprouted blonde fluff all over my bump! Not something I usually have, I'm a really un-hairy person in genera. I do wonder if
It's the added testosterone from having a boy?

Glad you had a good time evil btw how do they do back massages on preg women? Obv you can't lie on your front, I've always wondered this!

This will be our last baby, we only wanted two and we've got a boy and girl so feels just right for us. It's a nice feeling to have done the pregnancy and birth bit by 22 as well!

I'm a beauty therapist and trained holistic therapist, when I was still a the salon we massaged pregnant ladies using a rather amusing special mattress/pillow, it had a hole for a bump and boobs! So ladies could still be on their font. We also adapted to a side position massage and one done with the lady on all fours or sitting in a massage chair it it was a shoulder/neck/head treatment. smile

Iheartpasties Tue 18-Sep-12 10:04:40

no way! (at the pillow) do you sort of tuck one tit into each hole?!

ShellyBobbs Tue 18-Sep-12 10:17:11

Hahaha, looks like a reverse sex toy!

Stunt All that blabber last night about having another one stems from exactly the same reason. My other 3 will be 8, 10 & 12 when this one is born, as you see I like the 2 year gap, it is a very well planned one.

Iheartpasties Tue 18-Sep-12 10:24:01

I'd love to go on and have two more, but I'd like to hold off until dd is perhaps in school or pre-school before trying for the next one. We'll see how we go with these two.

horseylady Tue 18-Sep-12 10:25:40

I think I'm heading towards Etienne. people raise their eyebrows at it but a lot say it's a lovely name. Well see when he arrives! Dh quite likes it too!!

Glad you had fun evil!! Sounds quite nice and relaxing!!

SwissArmyWife Tue 18-Sep-12 10:45:43

DH21 I am the same, will have one of each and all will be done and dusted at 22.

I just want to concentrate on raising these two and possibly getting a dog when they're older! I don't think I can deal with being pregnant again, after the pgp, morning sickness and constant worrying!
Only seven weeks to go now and I'm very much looking forward to a new chapter in our lives smile

little I used a pool (and would like to this time aswell) and just went in naked. I might wear a bra this time but to be honest, you just do what feels comfortable at the time!

kissyfur Tue 18-Sep-12 10:51:58

Morning all

2 will definitely be it for me, not sure my body would cope very well with another pregnancy, and I'm getting on a bit now blush well, I feel like I am!

horsey I love the name Etienne but it wouldn't go with DP's surname. Think we are pretty set on Louis for a boy, still unsure on girls name tho, what does everyone think of Liberty? Other options are Georgia or Sasha, what do u think?

kirrinIsland Tue 18-Sep-12 10:58:59

Morning all smile

Just been to the midwife and everything seems fine. My bp is very low but that's normal for me, and part from the odd dizzy spell I feel fine so that's ok.

I started off thinking I wanted 3, but DP isn't keen, and tbh although this pregnancy has been straight forward it has been much harder the second time round so I'm not sure I can face doing it again! We'll see......

horsey Etienne is lovely.
We are still undecided. Got 2 girls names we both like but neither really grabs me - I'm sure we'll come up with something.

ShellyBobbs Tue 18-Sep-12 11:09:15

OMG get me off ebay! I only went and typed in 'white hand knitted' in the baby section..............

Have received the most BEAUTIFUL hand knitted white (lol) blanket today that I ordered with a hat, bootees and mittens. I'm in love with it! She has not attached the flower on the hat but sent it with it so I can sew it on if little buba is a girly grin It's the softest thing I've ever felt.


Evilwater Tue 18-Sep-12 11:11:02

DH21- I layed on my side. Then on my back.

The problem is I'm so relaxed, I don't want to do anything today. I'm sat here thinking, the house needs cleaning, but my body dosn't really want to move.


MissMummy1 Tue 18-Sep-12 11:32:33

I think our next one will be a puppy. (This one was supposed to be a dog, my bodyclock just had other ideas...) Don't get me wrong, we're delighted we're having a baby and starting our own family, the timing could have been a lot better though. It will also be a while before I'm convinced to go through this again!

I've pretty much made up my mind to go back to uni and do a postgrad in educational research when junior's old enough. DH earns enough to comfortably support both of us now and I feel like if I take too big a break from studying I'll never go back to it. We'll see!

I'm having a wobble on names. We'd decided on Aulay for a boy a long time ago (I still absolutely love it) with a couple of back ups just in case. I now love Thom a LOT and found out last night Thomas was actually my grandad's real name. I always always thought he was Angus. Apparently Angus was his middle name and he only went by it because his dad (my great grandfather) was Tom. So I've unwittingly fallen in love with a traditional family name. Still reallly like Aulay too. Maybe we need to have two knowing my luck now we're team pink so have a nameless baby!

Off to my mums and possibly yw's sisters' this afternoon before prego yoga. Possibly going to testdrive an audi tonight too!! DH had one when I first met him (allbeit his was brand new and this is a couple of years older) and loved it. Now to convince him to swap cars with me if he does buy it...

Thechick Tue 18-Sep-12 11:32:39

stunt whats with the blue eyes thing? And I'm going for a vbac because the recovery time of a elcs. I can't really afford the time it takes to recover from a cs, but if it happens it happens. DH is great, but after he goes back to work it will just be me and a baby and a house to look after.

I'm pretty sure this will be my last. I'll be 39 11 days before due date so time is getting on for me and I don't think we can afford another child.

Dixiebell Tue 18-Sep-12 11:34:58

kissy, I think I like Sasha best of your three names. Liberty is sweet, unusual, imagine will get shortened to Libby or maybe Berty?! Georgia is nice, but I prefer Sasha.

Tits, that pillow just looks scary. What if you don't quite fit the dimensions?! I'd love a massage, but not sure I'd be able to lie still for 30 mins or more, I'd need to shift position, and I imagine lying with my belly hanging would not be that comfortable..!

I'd quite like 3 kids, I have two sisters so think that's why. However, if this one had been a girl, I think I could have been persuaded to stop now with the perfect balanced family (as we have DS). But two boys makes me think, perhaps give it one more go...if I ended up with 3 boys though, I think I'd stop there! DH not so keen to keep going, but we can work on that..!

DonnaDoon Tue 18-Sep-12 12:22:27

Gosh I envy you guys who know that these are your last....I dread when the time comes to say that ( ponders my addiction to babies )

ValiumQueen Tue 18-Sep-12 12:32:24

stunt I think it is important to involve the daddy in the decision whether or not to have the baby, and also in contraception choice post baby, but it is your pregnancy, your body, your labour. I believe it is totally down to you to make the ultimate decision as it is you who will have to go through it and live with the consequences. Also how your feed the baby is your decision as it is your body.

kissy lose the S from Sasha and you have the perfect girls name (biased as DD1 is Asha). I also know a very cute Kasha.

ValiumQueen Tue 18-Sep-12 12:33:58

Our next child would hopefully be a foster child (if I have the energy). I dreamed I had twins last night. Another boy had been hiding behind the chunky one all the time.

DonnaDoon Tue 18-Sep-12 12:38:22

Thechick Im going for a VBAC too ( had one for breach baby) Are you scared ? I am a little nervous but figure we got to be brave.

ShellyBobbs Tue 18-Sep-12 12:42:59

Hehe Valium, it's all the talk of carrying on having them! Fostering would be a wonderful thing to do, my son is best friends with a lad who is fostered together with his 2 sisters and they have finally been granted a long term foster home with a lady that adores them, they have been with her a couple of years now and all seem very happy. I think she's an angel and she fought long and hard to keep those children (bias against her age pft). Anyone who does it deserves to live on a plinth if you ask me grin

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Tue 18-Sep-12 13:34:52

I think this will be our last, is a second DC, a boy, and we already have DD. DH also has an older child, my DSD. Its affordability, feels weird to think this may be the last time we do this!

Am going for ELCS at 39 weeks, am pretty sure. Consultant has suggested this, although would support VBAC, and it is my decision to make at next apt in 3 weeks. I agree it is ultimately my decision, but DH happens to agree with this choice. I dont think he likes the idea of seeing me in labour pain, whereas a section is sort of on familiar ground for us both (had EMCS under GA with DD) and I feel like the recovery, although hard, is something my body knows how to do, if that makes sense. I recovered extremely well from DD's arrival, was up within 24 hours, home as fast as I could, all healed well and quickly and I was basically fine when DH went back to work a week later. This time will be harder as will also have toddler DD who likes to use me as a climbing frame, but I understand that ELCS recovery is very different from EMCS recovery, and I am keen to avoid EMCS under GA at all costs.

That said, I think that if I go into spontaneous labour before 39 weeks, I will see how that progresses/feels.

We have absolutely no idea on names. I like traditional names like Thomas, whereas DH does not and likes more quirky names, like Quincey. No idea how we find something which appeals to both. DD is Evie. She was going to be India until after I came around from the GA and decided I just didnt want to use it (think we had told a lot of people in advance that was a name we liked and got very varied reactions). So in my drugged up fog, I emotionally blackmailed persuaded DH that a different name should be used. DH now feels, with some just cause, that he has ultimate decision making ability for this DC's name. Thankfully, Evie was a compromise and not my preferred name over all others, so I will retain some decision making input!

Thechick Tue 18-Sep-12 13:39:12

Donna I'm not sure how I feel to be honest, I don't think its properly sunk in that this child will have have to come out sooner rather than later. I just hope it's quick, lol.

YellowWellies Tue 18-Sep-12 14:00:03

I'm hoping to have one or even two more after this one (depending on how it goes!) as I love my siblings so much I couldn't imagine having an only child. I'm sure I'll laugh at this statement after the birth. But yip if we can get another 1 or 2 in before I'm late 30s then whoop!

As for fertility, mine seems to be very affected by my weight. In my twenties when I was in a nightmare relationship with a complete fecktard for five years (cue idiotic 'but I love him' Jeremy Kyle esque reasoning.... at the time), we were careless for nigh on four years (not actively wanting a wee one but not stopping it) and we had a v active sex life (think stupidly tempestuous relationship with lots of fights and lots of shagging grin) and I never once fell preggers.

He's now got two kids (not that he sees either of them - thank god for my lucky escape) and I'm updiffed so perhaps it's just that we couldn't make kids together but I'm pretty convinced it was down to my weight at the time. I was a size 6-8 (weighing 9 stone or less) and whilst I had my period it was less regular. I was also exercising way too hard to be healthy (or rather to keep up sufficient fat levels and female hormones).

I was inordinately proud of being a skinny minny but at the price of not having kids it was a no brainer. I need to be at least a size 10-12 to conceive, and to exercise in a more sensible way (i.e. a couple of runs a week not every day) it would seem. Horsey you mentioned problems conceiving - given that you are so slender it might be a similar thing maybe? Maybe get your doc to check your hormone levels when / if you want to try again.

DH and I got lucky the first month the coil was out (though that MC due to the disruption from having the coil out the week or so before), and then fell preggers again the month after - with this bump. So fingers crossed we'll have the same luck next time we try.

I'm also still trying to persuade DH re a kitten (to accompany our elderly puss) and a rescue dog...

YellowWellies Tue 18-Sep-12 14:04:21

Wooo who said Liberty. I love it!!!!!!!!! and might steal it as a second middle name if we are team pink I love names that are positive sentiments or emotions - it reminds me of when I lived in South Africa - a lot of kids are named like this so you get lots of folk called 'Blessing' 'Joy' 'Hope' 'Wonder' 'Bliss' 'Lovely' (Hope in particular I love, it just doesn't go with our surname).

ShellyBobbs Tue 18-Sep-12 14:09:54

After my first, we were completely certain 3 weeks later that we wanted another and my first was a complete nightmare!

I'm one of 4 although there is a 15 year and 17 year age gap between me and 3&4 so not really brought up as a set of 4. My 3 absolutely adore one another and really look out for each other, my 10 year old son made packed lunches for himself and both his sisters the other day because my eldest was running late so she couldn't do hers and he does everything for his younger sister anyway (hubby usually makes butties and leaves the on the side, it's their responsibility to put all the other stuff in and then run it past me. Hubby had to leave early that day and I was ill on the settee). It's all in the upbringing, slog your guts out for the first few years and then sit back and reap the benefits for the rest of your life grin. My children are fab if I do say so myself grin

YellowWellies Tue 18-Sep-12 14:19:41

I want a brood like yours Shelly.

My sis said something lovely yesterday - she's had a hell of a year with her prem and a 2 year old to deal with - but she realised exactly why she's doing it all when she looked round at toddler group as she was helping the other mums to clean up, and one mum read the kids a story - she spied her wee boy sitting, proud as punch, cuddling his baby sister who was beaming at him adoringly. Awwwwwwwww it brought a tear to my eye.

georgee Tue 18-Sep-12 14:21:50

Hi all

Haven't posted for ages and ages - I do read everything but then get distracted by something else I have to do and don't post, or, like this morning, I'm about to 'post message' and DD jumps on me and causes me to lose what I've written!

thechick and Donna I'm with you in team VBAC. I'm going full tilt for hypnobirthing (although just books and CDs rather than a course - loved your DH sleeping story Detective) and getting positioning right. Last time it was positioning that was a lot of the problem. I've talked to quite a few ladies recently who've done it successfully, one who'd had a breech leading to ELCS so had not laboured at all the first time, and then went on to have two VBACs.

In terms of names, fine with boys (James or Archie) but not so good with girls. Liberty's lovely. We'd have Libby but as a shortening of Elizabeth - others in the running are Eva, Elsie and Georgina. Grace will be the second name (on the 'positive thoughts as a second name' theme - this one will be after 2 MCs so I think we'd be feeling very lucky and blessed if all goes well).

We don't know what we're having but I'm convinced it's a girl - I haven't had to shave my legs for a month!! Not that I'm particularly diligent in that area but I'm noticeably hairless there. I'm sure this indicates a lack of male hormones in my system! Any of you guys who know you're expecting girls experiencing this?

Other news from here is that we moved house. All went very well and we're really happy. I did do a bit too much shifting though - including a wardrobe ... still, baby seems fine ...

Georgee (30+2) x

ShellyBobbs Tue 18-Sep-12 14:28:54

YW I'll put a piccy of my youngest 2 on FB. It was took without them knowing and is a typical pose for them.

MissMummy1 Tue 18-Sep-12 14:29:45

I was told as a teenager it was unlikely I'd be able to have kids easily as I'd fecked about with my weight so much when I was going through puberty. Imagine my surprise when I fell preggers whilst on the pill!

LOVE liberty too. Liberty Claire was on our list until we realised it would be shortened to Libby. Our surname has a double b in it too so it would sound horrific - yw I'm sure will back me up!

ShellyBobbs Tue 18-Sep-12 14:37:33

I've put the piccy on now smile

YellowWellies Tue 18-Sep-12 14:52:25

See MM1 I reckon that's quite catchy with your surname... but I bagsied Liberty wink

MissMummy1 Tue 18-Sep-12 14:55:56

DH vetoed it. I think refusing 99% of my girls names is his way of convincing himself we're having a boy!

horseylady Tue 18-Sep-12 14:59:04

Yellow - I'm not sure. I stopped taking contraceptives 5 years ago, then we were actively trying for 2 years. Ironically we'd just started having tests etc when I got the positive result!! My bloods were all normal etc. He had booked his appointment. In some ways it was for the best it took us so long as our debt is now practically clear bar a bit on one credit card and our mortgage.

So perhaps it wasnt meant to be before now? Who knows!!

ShellyBobbs Tue 18-Sep-12 15:14:01

That happened to 2 of my friends Horsey, it's really weird.

CandyPop Tue 18-Sep-12 15:15:03

i went into work for a total 1 1/2 hr but had to come home again to see the doc. My belly is just SO itchy, like unbearably. had doctors appointment and shes given me some eumovate ointment but not sure if its gonna work [sceptical]. Itchiness eases when i dont have any clothes on ie. no fabric on belly but i cant walk round walk with my tummy out!!! argh its so annoying angry

we're still stuck on a girls name too...... feels like we're running out of time..... oh dear......

StuntNun Tue 18-Sep-12 15:16:40

Chick my DH has lovely blue eyes and a dimple. Two sons so far with brown eyes and no dimple. I've given up on the dimple but I'm still holding out for the blue eyes!

VQ I'm very conscious that I seem to be making all the decisions re delivery but can't help wondering whether DH should have some input. He's been through all this twice before as well so he knows what's what about VBACs, delaying cutting the cord, pain relief, recovery from cs, etc.

I'm secretly worried that DS3 won't look or feel like a Johnathan when he's born blush
We have no back up, he's always been the same name but I do worry.

ShellyBobbs Tue 18-Sep-12 15:37:59

Tits I've only ever had one boy and girl name for each of mine, luckily I've never looked at them and gone naaaah! In fact, the last one we had only agreed on a girls name and both liked a separate boys name so good job little Erin was a girl grin

kissyfur Tue 18-Sep-12 16:21:40

Thanks for the views on names smile. Twas me who mentioned Liberty YW - steal away! wink i love it too but am veering towards Sasha I think

shelly super cute pic of your littlest 2 ! I hope my 2 will be like that

YellowWellies Tue 18-Sep-12 16:28:34

I think 'not meant to be' also plays a huge role actually Horsey as you suggest. I thank god (well I would if I wasn't an atheist) that I never got knocked up by my awful ex. It would have been horrific, I'd have been a single Ma, he'd have not paid a penny or offered any support and I'd likely have never met my wonderful DH.

YellowWellies Tue 18-Sep-12 16:31:51

Ta kissyfur for the lovely suggestion and letting me commit gross name theft. Now given if we are team pink I'll have essentially suggested both the first and second name (and have managed with no effort, i.e. sheer luck - to find that DH likes them too) - how on earth do I suggest a third name of my choosing!!!!! blush

Spent 3 hours at an animal park this aft with two good friends. Had a great time but now I ACHE!

Had a nice nap with ds earlier which really helps.

I had a serious case of nesting this morning. Did the washing up, hoovered the whole flat inc little nooks and crannys. Then went through all my clothes and bagged up old stuff, shoes, bags general junk.
Feel great for having done that, plus my flat looks really good now!

Can't believe how quickly the thread is moving.

WRT plans for more babies. This is DH and mine's first. COnceived after lots of years of trying and eventual IVF so the decision as to whether have more may not be ours to make. We have a frozen embryo left over from this attempt so we'll probably use that and if that doesn't work then who knows. I always said I wanted 2 or 3 but I don't know whether I could go through another full round of IVF. I might feel differently in the future, and obviously it would depend on finances. Hard enough deciding whether you can afford another, let alone whether you can afford IVF to try for another smile

We haven't got any names yet. We've got a roughish shortlist but probably won't decide to he or she is here

kirrinIsland Tue 18-Sep-12 18:00:05

georgee I hadn't thought of lack of Hair being a lack of male hormone thing, but that know that you mention it I am getting away with shaving my legs less and less and I do know I'm having a girl, so maybe there's something in it?

DH if you fancy popping round here for a clean up you are more than welcome!

I know a liberty - she's gorgeous! I'll admit I didn't like it when I first heard it but it's really grown on me.

My midwife asked me to think about my birth plan in time for my next appointment in 4 weeks. I'm thinking the 'head in the sand' approach is the way forward. I'm much more nervous second time round. The 'ignorance is bliss' approach really worked for me with DD!

Lilliana Tue 18-Sep-12 18:48:37

Wow, after an epic read I've finally caught up and now need to go!

Been offered a flu jab - usually I don't bother but wondering if I should as pg and working with lots of children or if I should I stay well away - not sure how it effects baby.

TheDetective Tue 18-Sep-12 18:51:42

Sorry to contradict matters!

Boy bump, and lack of leg hair growth here too! I noticed quite early on (around 10 weeks) that my leg hair was a) slower to grow b) not as stubbly and c) lighter. I think it is something a lot of pregnant women notice, but I don't know why. Although if I could be bothered to think about it, I could probably come up with an answer. But I can't be arsed grin

I do have a fine growth of blonde hair across my tummy though hmm and we won't even go there with the pubic hair <shameface>

Can I just take a moment to say, DP must have taken on board our 'conversation' argument from the other night. I have got up and the house is spotless. Considering he has been in work today, he must have done it all last night (I went straight up to bed this morning!). I also found a cleaning schedule on the white board in the kitchen, devised by himself grin. Oh my... could get used to this grin. However he seems to have polishing on the list nearly every day! I polish once a week usually so the house will be sparkling from now on smile

ValiumQueen Tue 18-Sep-12 19:10:26

lilianna flu jab protects baby. They would not give it if it hurt them. Flu can be very dangerous when pregnant. If you breastfeed you continue to protect the baby as they are too small to have the jab themselves. I found out I was pg with DD2 the week they advised women to not get pregnant in the height of the Swine Flu epidemic. I had the jag at 16 weeks, and shortly after they advised not to have it prior to 24 weeks I think it was. I was worried she would be born with problems as there was a lot of bad press. She is fine, but I have never had chest infections before the jag, and get them frequently now. I would have the jag again, and plan to request it soon.

kirrin as long as there's muffins at the end I don't mind!

WaitingForMe Tue 18-Sep-12 19:31:12

I'm another with a boy, legs that aren't hairy but a fuzzy bump.

My 30th was great. Just immediate family in a yurt in the garden eating and drinking. Will have to have a mad one for my 40th!

kirrinIsland Tue 18-Sep-12 19:31:50

I was offered the flu jab too - I'm booked in for next wed. I had it when pregnant with DD and didn't hesitate this time either.

NervousAt20 Tue 18-Sep-12 19:40:01

stunt with decisions to labour its something that every decision me and DP will talk about and take both views into consideration but for me personally I know that what it would ultimately be my decision and whatever choice I made he would be fine with and support me through it. If baby is back to back would they give you a section if you asked for it? 

Glad you enjoyed your break and massage evil

I had a mum to be massage today and it was lovely feel much more relaxed, they made me lie on each side while they massaged my back and legs then I lay on my back for a few minutes while they finished at the end - haha that pillow is hilarious

 shelly the blanket looks lovely and soft

shelly Erin is one of my favorite girls names but DP is set on something different, I really like the name too but just don't want to pick one until she's here

We will hopefully have more in the future but I'm thinking not until this LO is at LEAST in school, I don't think I could cope being pregnant and having a toddler all day 

Hmm I'm sure there was something else but can not think for the life of me...  

TheDetective Tue 18-Sep-12 19:56:07

I want another baby in about 3 years, with DS being an only child for so long, I want this baby to have a sibling nearer its own age! And I'm only 27, so I'd like to think this won't be my last!

Can anyone recommend any particular sheepskin liner? I'm after something cosy for the swinging chair and bouncer, rather than the pram. Anyone direct me in any good places?!

StuntNun Tue 18-Sep-12 20:12:17

Nervous I had an ante-partum haemorrhage ending in emergency section under GA with DS1 so I'm a candidate for a section anyway, it's my choice whether to go for section or vaginal birth. With DS1 the epidural didn't 'take' and I have a woefully low pain threshold so I don't think I could cope with an unusual labour. I'm hoping everything will go smoothly with another VBAC like last time though FC.

We've just had people round to view the house so it is temporarily spotless, thus appeasing any nesting requirements. I wonder how long it will stay that way (starts stopwatch).

horseylady Tue 18-Sep-12 20:17:57

Yeah hopefully it was meant to be!!

Had another energy burst today!! Think the correct iron levels are now starting to work. I say that, I'm currently crashed on the sofa lol!!! Have just packed my hospital bag after washing all the stuff!! Baby clothes currently on (well the new born stuff) to go into his bag. I feel a tad guilty for putting such a small amount of clothes into the machine?! But I wanted to wash it on it's own and the bigger clothes are still at mums I need to bring them home.

I've just read a post on pregnancy with someone complaining about how much tacky stuff has been bought. I know some people can be annoying etc. But to me the point of someone buying you something is that they have chosen it because they like it?! Its what presents are about. Sometimes you like it, sometimes you don't but it's the thought that counts? I say this, someone is bound to buy me something truely dreadful now lol!!!! At least the in laws are interested unlike mine who is still causing me problems out Of the country.....bloody men sad

I am also on the verge of murdering younger hound. She has weed three times in the house today!!! No reason other than she wanted too...she didnt even ask to go out!!!! She always bloody asks!!! To make matters worse we'd just come in from a walk!!

Mw tomorrow!! Will see what she says!!

NervousAt20 Tue 18-Sep-12 20:18:41

As stunt that sounds traumatic, FC that everything goes smoothly for y

NervousAt20 Tue 18-Sep-12 20:19:00

Ou this time!

NervousAt20 Tue 18-Sep-12 20:19:16

Damn phone keeps sending to quick!!

Evilwater Tue 18-Sep-12 20:48:13

How can you all be talking about another baby?? When the ones in the oven arn't out? Are you lot crazy??? confused

I'm finding very difficult to do things now. Driving is espally bad, as well as sitting on hard chiars.

I'm off to do some family history research, which I love to do. Finding out what my family got up to, I'm going to find out wheather one of my grandfathers did sail with queen Victoria.


kissyfur Tue 18-Sep-12 20:50:08

Argh the flu jab decision. I was PG with DD in the height of the swine flu outbreak and working at an NHS PCT at the time. I felt like i spent a significant amount of my PG worrying about it. In the end after much deliberating I had the one you have in 2 doses, but only had one dose as I was in hospital after having DD when I was due to have the 2nd one!! Haven't been offered it this time yet. It'll be in with the seasonal flu jab this time I guess.

ValiumQueen Tue 18-Sep-12 21:09:06

kissy I was working in a frontline clinic with a high risk group, indeed I was the only member of nursing staff to be on duty one week (the week I concieved!) and when they called us for the jag, as a priority group, Occ Health refused to vaccinate me as I was pg! I was doubly high risk! I went and sat in my managers office refusing to go back to clinic until they stopped discriminating me. I had the jag by the end of the day.

Passmethecrisps Tue 18-Sep-12 21:12:52

Evening all.

So much going on! I love the names.

I am another fuzzy bumped one. Legs much less stubbly than normal.

If I have tried to discuss birth options with DH he just tells me it is up to me. He was keen on the idea of a water birth though.

Passmethecrisps Tue 18-Sep-12 21:15:43

And there is certainly no 2nd baby chat in this house yet either. We were convinced it would take us several months to conceive - first day of honeymoon did the job! We were obviously delighted but pretty stunned

YellowWellies Tue 18-Sep-12 21:17:21

Woo Stunt are you selling too? Sometimes I think it's handy to combine nesting with selling but now I'm at the point that I'm so glad ours has gone to a closing date (on Thursday at 4pm!!!) as we only have a few days left of me cleaning the house and making it look like we live like reasonably hygienic human beings. I hope we get a good offer.

I'm another one with hairless legs and slight fuzz on the bump. Does this mean we are team blue? Just when DH has agreed that Liberty would make a lovely middle name....

I got the spinning babies work book in the post today. It's amazing!!! If anyone has any belly maps they want analysing - scan em and post them on the FB group and I'll try to figure out how the baby is lying. You're best to do it from 32 weeks on so I can't really do it on me just yet (6 days to go...)

kissyfur Tue 18-Sep-12 21:27:06

Valium Same thing happened to me when they vaccinated people in the office with the normal flu jab, I was high risk as PG but they wouldn't give it to me! Ridiculous angry

Kyzordz Tue 18-Sep-12 21:45:45

I have a fuzzy bump, and lots of fluffy blonde hair on my arms and at the bottom of my back! I'm dark haired and didn't have hair there before or at least not as bad!

We have a list of names for bean, there's one we're strongly leaning towards, we've not told anyone but I'll tell you all, nobody I know will find out if I say it on here and I'm dying to tell someone. We're quite taken with Eric and have been throughout my pregnancy. The middle names are two of these three... Andrew, Thomas and Zacari (all three are important relatives, dp's dad, dp and my little brother who we're extremely close to) but we've not settled on anything properly just yet.

I've been getting some horrible pains today and yesterday. Above my belly button in the middle of my bump but up a bit, when bean moves underneath or pushes out it feels like stitch or a stabbing pain. It's happened once yesterday (for a few minutes when he's shuffling) and once today. I don't know exactly why it hurts so much but bean is moving plenty, I thought perhaps it's stuff stretching?

I'm glad I'm not the only fuzzy bumped lady! smile
I've spent the evening entertaining myself by testing a book on my bump and watching him madly trying to kick it off <easily amused>

I'm having the flu jab on Saturday, I have one anyway as DS1's primary care giver and it makes him a bit less annoyed about having it if we both go together and have sweets afterwards grin

ValiumQueen Tue 18-Sep-12 22:11:46

Have sorted all the clothes, so today made a start on the bedding. Just sorting the moses basket prior to birth as nursery nowhere near finished. Have ten blue or boy coloured gro bags, all charity shop finds, and six pink or girly ones. Cannot find my swaddle pod. I gave two to a friend who had her baby three months after me, but I kept one as a keepsake. I might ask her if she still has them.

Have plenty of unisex cellular blankets and one blue one.

Bought mat pads and new baby nappies size 3 to get my boots changing bag. It is a lot smaller than the last one I got, which I still use frequently and is now over six years old. Need to source some peppermint water. My arnica is still in date.

Getting real now!

kirrinIsland Tue 18-Sep-12 22:13:13

kyzordz I've had pain like that. It feels to me like the baby has had her foot in the same place for too long and it's stretching or bruising the inside of my bump? It's really quite painful, but it eases up when I push her foot back in!

georgee Tue 18-Sep-12 22:19:05

Just a quick one before bed to say thanks for reporting on hairiness ladies! Very interesting indeed - perhaps I shouldn't rule myself out of team blue quite yet! Will go now and inspect bump for fuzziness. 'Night all.

Sophiathesnowfairy Tue 18-Sep-12 22:19:07

Evening of maternity reflexology. Bliss. Am very chilled at this time. Only 5 more days in work, it just gets better.

Loads of what I think are bracton hicks but different to what I have had before. More like period pains, and so real labour twinges than the whole bump tightening up which was what I had with DS.

GTbaby Wed 19-Sep-12 04:50:11

Oh dear. Can't sleep sad. Had midwives app today. Spoke to her about pains etc. got told off for not going to labour ward blush. She thinks they r braxton hicks. She also suggested reduced work hours. Which work have agreed with a dr note. But will only work for nxt week as maternity kicks in 4 weeks before due date regardless of having a sick note.

Must try n sleep now. Feel hungry blush

StuntNun Wed 19-Sep-12 07:18:59

Evil my clock is ticking because I'm 36 and it took a couple of years to get pregnant with this baby. I haven't got any firm ideas about a potential fourth child but I don't want to run out if time. Before I got pregnant with this one I said it would definitely be my last but now I'm not so sure. I think it was going to look at the five bedroom house we want to buy that got me started...! Plus I already have a seven seater car lol!

YW we don't have enough rooms in the house with this baby on the way so ideally we would like to move when he's around six months old and ready to go into his own room. All the houses in our street have been up for sale for years though so we thought we'd better get started good and early. The family that were round last night may be good prospects as they're desperate to live in the catchment area for the school. But they haven't sold their house yet so nothing is going to be happening in the near future (phew couldn't handle moving right now!) Coincidentally, they live in the house we were going to buy when we moved here but the deal fell thorough at the 11th hour.

Iheartpasties Wed 19-Sep-12 07:29:56

Hi guys,

My back is aching again today, I reckon its just the wieght fo the bump now. I think I'm 32 weeks already! I cannot believe how fast it is going!!!

Lilliana Wed 19-Sep-12 07:32:58

GT hope you got some sleep and hope the reduced hours help.

Thanks for the advice on flu jabs, I get offered the seasonal one as I have an inhaler for hayfever season but don't usually bother. Have a mw app today so will have a chat with her about it and sort it out.

I'm another with less leg hair and a bit of fuzz on the bump. Was hoping I could use it as a sign but it seems team pink and blue are both experiencing it!

Tits, I love putting things on my bump for LO to kick off - hours of entertainment grin

Peaky1 Wed 19-Sep-12 07:55:01

Can anyone tell me a bit more about this Arnica that I keep hearing about? It's an anti-inflammatory, isn't it? Is it a cream/tablet? When do you use it?...end of question time!

P.s. 34 weeks today and measured up at 37cm yesterday with midwife confused. Now I'll be seeing a consultant and possibly growth scan next week as it'll apparently determine whether or not I can have home birth and/or water birth. Hopefully it's all fine as the midwife isn't too fussed, just needs it checking.

Iheartpasties Wed 19-Sep-12 08:07:00

ooow never heard of arnica....

Not much to report here, ds still teething so not getting much sleep at all but he's getting slightly better.

Haven't got any plans today, not too sure what to do.

GTbaby Wed 19-Sep-12 08:26:00

Managed to get some sleep eventually. Got quite hungry so had a banana n milk n slowly fell asleep. Got to get up soon for work. But just wana sleep now. sadsad

Thanks for asking peaky hopefully someone will b along soon to answer as I was wondering same thing.

Arnica comes in tablets or cream, it's a natural product that promotes healing, excellent for swelling/bruising. smile

I should add, it's best used after delivery to help with any trauma to the nether regions. smile

Peaky1 Wed 19-Sep-12 09:14:01

Ah thanks Tits. So I imagine that you use it after the birth then to help you heal...down there. Is it better to pop the pills or smother in cream is the next question...

horseylady Wed 19-Sep-12 09:31:43

It's good!! I'm going to get some today after my mw appointment.

That and raspberry leaf capsules which i know not to take yet but will have in before I forget!!!

Started massaging last night. Christ knows how a babies going to fit through there sad anyway hopefully massage will start stretching it!!! Would prob help if I could face dtd too!!! Think I've closed up sad

SwissArmyWife Wed 19-Sep-12 09:39:55

peaky I'd say it's better to use the cream for bruising. Arnica is fab stuff.

Another one here with non hairy legs, and mine's a boy! No fuzzy bump though, but I have two small black hairs that keep sprouting on my chin, little buggers!

I'm feeling very bruised around my pelvis, and also the front of my bump is a bit sore, I think the baby may be transverse and therefore stretching everything. Got my 34 week appointment next tues so will ask mw what he's doing!

Peaky1 Wed 19-Sep-12 09:49:23

What does it feel like when the baby starts to engage? I'm getting a bit achey today but oddly it does feel like it's the perineal area rather than low bump. Midwife did document 'cephalic 4/5' yesterday and I gave a little squeal when she was trying to palpate deeper for the head. I need to (wo)man up!!

Brockle Wed 19-Sep-12 10:22:14

Feeling sick and exhausted today. Sick note ends next Monday and I have four weeks of work left. I have felt much better at home but know that as soon as I go back to work with the train journeys and walking I am going to feel just as bad. The doctor has said that she will extend my sick noter but I feel really guilty about leaving work without my normal maternity leave preparation. I have 8 and a bit weeks left until my due date and may go crazy at home. In other words my brain is shot and I can't make a decision for toffee. Any ideas?

Your bump drops and it becomes easier to breathe when your baby is engaged peaky. Also the weight of the baby feels low down and you start walking like you are a cowboy grin. I will never forget getting out of the car once when I was pregnant with DS2 and it felt like I was going to drop him there and then. I must have looked ridiculous walking as people seemed to be backing away.. mind you he was a healthy 9 pounder. Never tried Arnica but may get some in and need to get the raspberry leaf capsules. I like the tea too.

YellowWellies Wed 19-Sep-12 10:41:47

I think this one is trying to engage - but is headbutting my right hip instread... ow

ValiumQueen Wed 19-Sep-12 10:42:49

I took Arnica after my last section, and I healed beautifully. The midwife was amazed at the lack of bruising. Just one bit at the end of the wound, about the size of a smartie. I usually bruise for England. I did not tell the hospital I was taking it, just took my own in and started taking it just before the op I think. I must read up on it again. It is homeopathic. I would not personally put it on a wound in cream form. Never used the cream, so cannot really comment on it as I know nothing about it.

DD1 (6) asked me how the baby gets out this morning. She had climbed into bed with me so it was nice and snuggly for such a chat. 'does it come out of a hole in your tummy, or out of your bottom mummy? I explained about girls bits, and said that she had got stuck when she came out of the baby hole, so the doctor needed to pull her out. She knows she had a cone head that was one big bruise, as she has seen the pictures. I said that her sister came out of a little hole cut in mummy's tummy, and showed her on her tummy where it was. It tickled. She asked about the knife, and stitches, then said she is not going to have any babies.

ValiumQueen Wed 19-Sep-12 10:58:31

Eli (Elijah) seems to be the fore-runner now in the Valium household. I wanted to call DD2 this, but pronounced Ee-lee instead. I love it, and he does too, which is a first. He wants his son to have a name beginning with e as their given names would then spell out AWE. Bless him!

YellowWellies Wed 19-Sep-12 11:15:19

I love Elijah! Sadly DH would never go for anything like that as it's biblical and he's a raging Darwinist grin

And Eric! I know a cracking wee boy called Eric - he's a real naughty Viking (but lovely) so the name suits him especially in mischief mode.

I've got arnica homeopathy capsules from boots as friends said the same thing about not wanting to put cream on any wounds - whether a tear, a section or an episiotomy so better to take orally.

MissMummy1 Wed 19-Sep-12 11:15:30

Had no sleep at all last night. The usual switching between bedrooms in a bid to get comfy. Must have been something in our water as DH had insomnia too so kept me company for an hour about 3am. Snoozed for a couple of hours this morning after taking him to work to be woken up by a delivery man. I can forgive him though, he delivered our carseat!

georgee Wed 19-Sep-12 11:50:43

Swiss I have no fuzz but chinny hairs too! Was on the way to IKEA recently on a particularly sunny day when I noticed them in the car mirror! Had no tweezers on me so spent the entire shopping trip with my head down.

So the plot thickens! I don't want to mention too much to DH that it really could be a boy, he would really like one I think (we have a DD and his brother has two DDs, so it would be the only boy in this generation - none of us are having any more!). He keeps saying to me 'I know it's a girl, I've known from the beginning', really to stop himself hoping more than anything else! I'm so happy with either - have a sister myself who I'm very close to so I can see how two girls would be brilliant too.

VQ that chat with your DD is very sweet. My DD is too young to think about how the baby's coming out but we have been reading 'What's in your Tummy, Mummy?' which is really funny and it's starting to make her realise what's in there. Last week I said to her 'What's in mummy's tummy?' and she said 'Green'. I said 'Green what' and she said 'Green telephone.' So there's a lot to work on.

I love the name Elijah BTW.

Sorry for those feeling a bit knackered today. This is a hard phase I think. End is in sight, but dimly!

Iheartpasties Wed 19-Sep-12 12:04:21

we've got the 'theres a house inside my mummy' and its brill. My little dd says 'baby' and points to my tummy. so sweet.

Peaky1 Wed 19-Sep-12 12:08:45

Thanks for all the advice ladies.

LOL@the green telephone georgee!!

Thechick Wed 19-Sep-12 12:34:54

Feeling exhausted and huge and not at all motivated at work today. Need to do stuff for handover but just don't want to. Want a day off sitting on the sofa watching crappy tv.

WaitingForMe Wed 19-Sep-12 12:44:57

DH calls me an atheist fundamentalist YW but I still wanted to ensure baby's name was biblical or similar. As I see the Bible as a tool for population control of considerable historical significance it just means the name is nice and traditional. My name isn't in the Bible but there were lots of queen Waitings.

YellowWellies Wed 19-Sep-12 13:01:03

I wonder if you're a Catherine too - like me Waiting. We've kicked ass through history. DH is a scientist so can't bear religion - he's not a total fundementalist but on the few occasions he's been made a godfather (hahaha I pissed myself when he was asked) he did present the babas with beautiful hardback copies of the 'Origin of the Species' rather than bibles. grin back off ladies this eccentric is a keeper and - all mine!!! wink

I'm not sleeping very well at the mo either. Think my mind is whirring with the house sale / closing tomorrow and then the thought of a move (and well labour in there somewhere too). Also the bellydweller seems to be a real fan of hiccuping at the mo and they are real bellyshakers. Also the cat seems to go nuts every time the wind picks up (which it does a lot up here) and flies around the house like a herd of bison. I could throttle him. Also why do DH's pillows and side of the bed seem so much more comfy than mine. Wonder if he'd let me evict him to the spare room tonight.... So yeah. I joined the 'two hours sleep club' last night too - boo. In the past would just have had a nice tot of whisky to help me off....

daisychain76 Wed 19-Sep-12 13:06:29

Iheart we have that book too, but the line about the door being rather tight always makes me cringe!
End of my 1st week in hospital today, so Mws have taken pity ang given me a single room with...drum roll...my own Tv! Now if l could only rip out the radiator and open the window more than a crack l‘d be sorted!

MissMummy1 Wed 19-Sep-12 13:12:42

Fab! Just bought a base to go with my shiny new carseat. The couple selling it claim to have never used it as they bought it for a second car they sold before having their baby. Managed to get them to knock a HUGE amount off it as they've lost the box and instructions (not that I would have kept them anyway...). Picking it up tonight - here's hoping it's not too good to be true! I didn't want to buy a brand new one as I'm not entirely sure if we really need one - it's more of a luxury than an essential in my opinion - plus all this baby stuff is really putting a dampner on my 'buy nothing new if something can be upcycled' new year resolution! And I have bought a lot of unnecessary new stuff this year ...

MadamGazelleIsMyMum Wed 19-Sep-12 13:19:55

DD is 19 months old and knows there is a baby in my tummy. Once that idea had settled, when I asked her if she knew what was in my tummy (which she now recites, bored stylee, not looking up, by saying "babbeeeee"), I then asked her if she thought it would be nice when the baby comes to live with us. She looked me straight in the eye and said "no". Hmmmm.

Odd, because she is obsessed with babies. She owns 8 dolls, and they are equally loved and played it. Favourite toys beyond all measure, and the babies at nursery are all hers too and she doesnt let anyone else go near them.

Suspect that she will actually like it when the baby comes, and maybe like it too much. She likes to help us do things around the house. So I suspect she will want to help a lot with the baby!

Evilwater Wed 19-Sep-12 13:29:42

im not bored, i told everyone that i had to much to do get bored, but....

this afternoon is a choice between cleaning the kitchen or do more data transference for DP.

im currently nursing cup of tea, watching the washing dry.

it great to read that the sibling are excited.

StuntNun Wed 19-Sep-12 13:30:14

MM I would describe a carseat base as an essential in that it's so handy to just drop the carseat into it rather than faffing about with the seatbelt.

I wandered into Asda today and got a change mat for £5.40 and a breastfeeding 'c' cushion for about £11 so I'm very happy with that. I also got some plain white t-shirts for the boys. I made up t-shirt transfers for them yesterday: the one for DS2 says 'I've been promoted to big brother' and the one for DS1 says 'I've been promoted to biggest brother (it means I'm in charge!)' I've also done transfers for a couple of babygros saying 'I'm the little brother' for DS3. Then on the back they'll say 'The biggest brother', 'The big brother' and 'The little brother'.

DS1 was a complete horror this morning so I'm contemplating Defcon 1 in the Nun family - the XBox ban. I think DH will be as put out as DS1 if he can't play Assassin's Creed when he thinks the kids aren't watching.

Evilwater Wed 19-Sep-12 13:36:42

why not nun. i was reading the book my DP has been reading for the baby. we are "SHE..who must be obeyed" grin also pregnancy gives us a damn good reason for being strict.


MissMummy1 Wed 19-Sep-12 13:37:19

Stunt you're totally right and for me it probably will be an essential - I can't for the life of me work out how to strap the seat in just using the seatbelt and I've been prone to a weak back in the past after bruising my kidneys in an accident 2 years ago so it'll probably be a total godsend. DH's opinion is that if the seat will work without one, we don't need one. Which is fine, he can faff about strapping it into his car the old school way!

MissMummy1 Wed 19-Sep-12 13:38:47

Oh and the tshirt plan is absolutely lovely!!

Iheartpasties Wed 19-Sep-12 13:39:22

eurgh! I've just had a really uncomfy half an hour, feeling sick and wanting to lie down. I am off to bed, hopefully I feel better in the morning. I am entering the dreaded phase of pregnancy - when you cant get bloody comfy anywhere and when you ache and feel sick want to punch someone smile

Evilwater Wed 19-Sep-12 13:42:07

i hope you feel better soon pasties
(still watching the washing dry)

Iheartpasties Wed 19-Sep-12 13:45:33

t-shirts sound fab!! night all.

horseylady Wed 19-Sep-12 14:00:52

Just back from mw. All ok.

She was upset, had a tradegy this morning sad didn't ask too much but think she couldn't find a heartbeat sad must be awful sad that or someone had died in the drs surgery ? They all seemed shook up sad

Right been and got some raspberry leaf tea capsules. Health food women said start taking straight away. Health protocols say from35 weeks. She said you should take them during last 12 weeks as it's used to strengthen the pelvic wall? Now I'm confused. I was going to start next week? Wwyd?

YellowWellies Wed 19-Sep-12 14:13:21

I've got my raspberry leaf tea but don't intend to take until such time as I wouldn't mind junior arriving as it is meant to strengthen the pelvic wall by causing contractions. I'm having enough of them for the mo! I'm going to start taking at 35-36 weeks I reckon. What about anyone else?

Oh horsey that must have been horrible. sad

We were at the docs too this am for DH to get a dodgy mole removed - between me, the lady doc and female nurse - he was teased rotten about men having a low pain threshold, and not to get any notions that this pain was any way comparable to childbirth. Poor soul! He got no sympathy. And it looked really sore actually when the doc was poking around with the local anaesthetic needle. Eeek

horseylady Wed 19-Sep-12 14:29:29

I think I'll wait till 35 weeks too just in case!!

ShellyBobbs Wed 19-Sep-12 14:30:07

I took them form early 30 odd weeks with my first, I got to 42 weeks! Things like that won't make baby come if it's not ready so I really wouldn't worry.

I can't stand Asda usually, I'm an Aldi girl [girl] But today I got a right bargain. They must have seriously over-ordered on the Pampers sensitive wipes because I picked up a pack of 6 for £2.50 (Half their baby even price), so I bought 4 packs! Then when I got to the checkout I'd got a baby sleeping bag for £12, it was £6 when it went through. Yay for Asda!

I still feel like shit and it was my first venture out of the house today since my visit to the labour ward the other day. I was knackered and couldn't make it all the way home this morning after dropping the nippers off, hence my stint in Asda (after a sit down).

I've gone off tea again! At the moment I'm surviving on tinned fruit, water and cranberry juice as my appetite has gone completely now. I had a bowl of mandarin oranges with some full fat ice-cream slapped in them at 12.30 today (first thing I could face eating), it took me over an hour to eat them. Ah well, I can hear the countdown, just wish it would bloody hurry up!

WaitingForMe Wed 19-Sep-12 14:45:12

Yes we have the same name YW although mine is spelt Kathryn. I refused to be a Godmother earlier this year as I felt saying something I didn't believe made light of the service. My insane alcoholic cousin refused to take me seriously and still put me in the service! I managed to avoid the bit where you make a cross in water on the kids head but it was still awkward. I just don't get it, you wouldn't expect a Muslim to take part in a Christian service would you? Naturally I was considered to be the rude person and my beliefs dismissed. Still, it wasn't as bad as when DHs ex had the boys Christened and DH didn't participate (and of course nobody saw how reasonable he was being in consenting to the Christening!). And breathe...

I'm massively impressed with your t-shirts Stunt. Baby is DHs third son and I'd love a trio of clothing items but hadn't seen any. I should take inspiration and do it myself but I know I won't

ValiumQueen Wed 19-Sep-12 16:25:07

I am the same spelling as waiting. I was one of 4 in my class at school.

Got my peppermint oil ok, in Holland and Barrett. Also bought some apricots as my digestive system is slowing down.

So tired today, and feel huge. Took DD1 to school in the car as I could not face the walk.

I am thinking what gift the baby can bring his sisters. I am thinking chocolate may be the way to go, as it is dear to both their hearts.

ValiumQueen Wed 19-Sep-12 16:26:16

Elijah is too religious now, and this is coming from someone who is considering Vicar school! Grr!! Men!!!

StuntNun Wed 19-Sep-12 16:46:45

Evil yep we are now at Defcon 1, no XBox until tomorrow [ultimate child punishment emoticon].

Waiting I just printed the transfers on the computer using Word then ironed them on the shirts. Easy peasy.

I'm staying in bed until DH gets home. FC he makes dinner. The cat is all curled up with me. She caught her first bird yesterday, I was a proud mummy. It was a blue tit though which seems a bit of a shame.

I have 50 days to go ULP! DH seems to think we've still got ages but he's going to Japan on business on Saturday and when he gets back there will only be 39 days to go. Looks like I might have to start getting the baby stuff down from the loft myself. I suspect he may have given all our 0-6 month baby clothes to his sister so we may not actually have anything for him to wear. Also I have no idea whether all the screws for the cot will be there or where the baby bedding is. My mum is over next week so she said she would give me a hand with it.

ValiumQueen Wed 19-Sep-12 17:16:09

stunt I thought I was bad, but you make me feel so prepared, then again I only have 36 days to go. Oh shit!!! Aaaagh!

I bought a wincyette (sp?) granny nightie from M&S outlet today. It has buttons down the front, is very flared for my fat belly and arse, and is long sleeved, down to my knees, floral and has an attractive yoke! It is hideous, but ideal for feeding in the hospital while I still have the catheter in so cannot wear my pjs. I would look virginal, or at least chaste in it, if it were not for the bump! It will be good for cold night feeds too I reckon.

StuntNun Wed 19-Sep-12 18:02:27

That's me VQ, just here to make everyone else look good!

DH has not come home (usually back at 4.30) so I'll have to drag my sorry arse out of bed and make dinner.

kissyfur Wed 19-Sep-12 18:25:29

I'm spelt the same way as waiting and valium always have to spell my name for people! wink so that's 4 of us on the thread with the same name!

I am a definite non believer too yw and waiting

I haven't done any preparing really yet stunt so don't feel bad. All the baby clothes are still in the loft and the only thing I've bought is a bedside cot and a few packs of nappies.

Oh my god, I have spent the afternoon doing some seriously insane sorting. I have taken every dried ingredient (rice, pasta, flour, sugar etc) out the over flowing store cupboard and it's now in air tight, labeled Tupperware neatly stacked back in the cupboard.
The freezer is the same and I have listed everything we have in there.
Baking/cleaning cupboard is the same.
My kitchen is so anally organised DP is scared. grin
I've had a day of people asking how long I have left, I must look like a near to popping woman these days.

Why can't you wear pjs with a catheter? I wore jogging bottoms with a catheter after ds, I hated having it in, carrying around a bag of piss which the mws clearly hated emptying.

blonderthanred Wed 19-Sep-12 19:55:58

We tried to explain to our niece (16 mths) that there was a baby in my tummy.

At the end of the time we spent with her we asked what was inside and she said, "bebe... woof woof!" so I think she thinks we're having a puppy.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 19-Sep-12 20:01:29

Assuming you can walk with the catheter, and you have you joggers on do you put the tube out of the top then? Was it uncomfy or was it ok?

I have treated myself to a mamas and papas nightie incase of this event. I ended up with one last time but couldn't walk anyway so a nightie was easier until it came out.

Lots and lots of intense Brixton hicks today. Can ply be good, getting everything ready to go.

ValiumQueen Wed 19-Sep-12 20:06:29

DH21 no reason why not, except that with a catheter, a maternity pad and a dressing on my wound and a spinal wearing off and granny pants, I think there is a good chance I could get something caught! The day after, as soon as catheter is out and I am showered, I can cope with the pjs. You must remember I am very old and very fat too!

ValiumQueen Wed 19-Sep-12 20:10:18

Catheter would go down one leg as otherwise risk of backflow.

I am all for easy! Hoping for a single room too. Have not even seen the new hospital. Have you been for a look yet pass ?

ValiumQueen Wed 19-Sep-12 20:11:10

Seen the hospital obviously. Drive past it most days, just not the Post Natal Ward.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 19-Sep-12 20:43:44

I have just read that you shouldn't take raspberry leaf tea if you have had a caesarean? Does anyone have any wisdom on that?

daisychain76 Wed 19-Sep-12 20:46:51

Ignorant question, but do you just have a catheter with a c section or is it with any epidural? Consultant hasn‘t told me iff l‘m gping to be induced or have c section, but neither is sounding great to me at the moment

Evilwater Wed 19-Sep-12 20:49:40

I'd like to have a poo now! sad taps foot. I'll have to get more lactose from the drs. (groan)


kirrinIsland Wed 19-Sep-12 20:54:49

Elijah is a great name - it was on my boys list.

horsey that sounds horrid. I don't know how midwives etc deal with that part of their job - I couldn't do it sad

I had a lovely day out with DD and friends today, but now I am exhausted and I ache all over. I'm definitely counting down the days now.......

ValiumQueen Wed 19-Sep-12 20:57:33

I need a poo too evil

daisy I had a catheter before my epidural when I was induced for my VB, and also with my section. If you cannot walk to the toilet, you will need one, and the contractions with the induction drip were instantly relentless, so I could not control my bladder at all. It is not nice, but better than sitting in piss all the time. Also if you have fluids, like with the drip, they need to monitor what goes in and out.

Evilwater Wed 19-Sep-12 21:02:39

I heard a rumour that diet coke is a laxative, but i never drink the stuff. I also hear it makes a great toilet cleaner.
I know blackberries for me usually helps in that department, but because I'm prego who knows.

horsey OMG..... That's awful.

Sophiathesnowfairy Wed 19-Sep-12 21:10:41

I had a catheter after a forceps delivery with a spinal block.

Catbag Wed 19-Sep-12 21:15:44

I too am in the need-a-poo club. Have eaten the babies body weight in lentils this evening in the hope that tomorrow will be Joyful Poo Day.

GTbaby Wed 19-Sep-12 21:18:08

5w5days. OMG. So close (scared face).

Ok. Am I being crazy? I have the opportunity to do a gcse in computing starting in October. It's a 3 hour session every two weeks. Am I crazy for wanting to do it with a new born? Well start it while i have a new born? But then I think it's a gcse, and I'm a teacher! How hard an it be? My head is in a spin sad

Catbag Wed 19-Sep-12 21:54:51

Had another growth scan yesterday. The scan was ( I think) fine, but the whole experience left me feeling very hormonal and tearful. Went in for the scan almost straight away, but then was left for 2 hours in the waiting room, watching other people who had arrived after me go in, until I was the last person left. When finally summoned to see the consultant, the conversation went like this:

Consultant: How are you feeling?
Me: Fine (a little grumpily)
Consultant: Great, ok, well we'll see you for your final scan at 36 weeks then
Me: Oh

The only other time that I saw the consultant was at my dating scan when they discovered I was carrying twins; I've seen a registrar at every other appointment. I did manage to spend at least 5 minutes in the room with them though. At my last appointment the registrar said that they would be scanning me every fortnight UP TO 36 weeks, and then weekly thereafter, which is something that now appears not to be the case. I went into labour at 33 weeks (which I will be on Monday) with my last set of twins and so have form for premature delivery. I was kind of expecting that they might be discussing plans for labour at this appointment, however briefly, since I could well deliver before 36 weeks.

By this time it is well after 1pm. It'll take me an hour to drive home and leave me exactly no time to have a nap or do anything useful before picking up the DDs from school. Already, I am tearful at the prospect of no nap.

When I got into the car, I opened up the notes to have a look at the scan report. It has Twin1 weighing 3llbs 15oz and Twin2 weighing 4llbs 4oz. At previous scan T1 was 3llbs 14oz and T2 3llbs 7oz. Now either this is a big cock-up and they've got them the wrong way round, which would mean actually that they have both put on just under half a pound, OR T1 has only gained 1oz in a fortnight and T2 has piled on almost a pound. Either way, it was not referred to at all, even to just reassure me that they labelled them wrong. I am even more tearful at this point.

Finally got home, opened mobile phone bill and was presented with the sum of £136, which is outrageously high. Turn out that DS, who has a sim only contract on my account at a cost of £10 per month, stupidly signed up for one of these idiotic quiz-things by text in order to win an ipad or some other such loony and unlikely thing. Said quiz was then charging him £10 per text. Called Orange and kicked off- they said it was a third party agreement and therefore there was nothing they could do about it. Called helpline number in one of the texts to demand son be unsubscribed. Phone answered by a very bland-sounding Asian man. I stropped about how this was a disgrace and questioned how it was possible for my son to enter essentially into a contract for services when he is only 13? Bland-Asian-Man blandly stated that he had removed my son's phone number and he was now unsubscribed, several times. I then asked him to confirm that my son's number had been removed from the database. He said 'no, if he signs up again, he will be subscribed again. I suggest you take better care of your son'. I said' thank you for your advice', hung up and burst into tears. Again.

It wouldn't be so bad if it hadn't come straight on the back on DS getting into trouble at the weekend too. We use Plusnet as our ISP and have a 60GB download allowance per month. We pay £5 per 5GB that we use over that. For the last 4 months we have averaged between 40-70GB OVER our allowance, which has cost us a fortune. Turns out that DS has been downloading like a mofo and spending lots of time on Youtube too (as evidenced by the watching of 29 vids on Friday alone). What really got him into trouble was him trying to cover his tracks. Unfortunately for him, DH is a computer programmer and is better than DS at this sort of stuff.

I didn't tell DH about the phone thing. I couldn't face him hitting the roof again. Today has been better. Sorry for the rant people :/

MissMummy1 Wed 19-Sep-12 21:59:27

As another naive first timer gtbaby I don't think you're mad at all. I plan to take December and most of January off then pick up 2 or 3 of my tutoring clients again. Thinking a couple of hours a week is manageable plus it will give DH some daddy/junior bonding time. Ask me again in January though if I still think it's a good idea!

daisychain76 Wed 19-Sep-12 22:07:39

So stressed now -blood pressure suddenly leapt up but mw did not seem interested (previous mw checked again after meds, etc, for smaller rise). This mw spent 15 mins telling me about how stressful her job is then left with a ‘call me if tou need me‘. Plus another mw forgot to give me my meds or do bp earlier. Hate feeling unsafe in the place l should feel safest!

Ps thanks for the info re catheters vq.

MissMummy1 Wed 19-Sep-12 22:21:55

Catbag fc the weight thing's just a mistake. If it was serious they'd have surely mentioned it? If it's any consolation my mum's going through similar stresses with my teenager sister and step brother. He's run up a £200 phonebill phoning/texting his girlfriend (he's 15 - mum and partner have never met her) and my sister (17) has thrown a massive strop my mum won't pay for her car insurance. To the point she's now alledgedly moving in with our dad. Between the 3 teenagers still at home (my other sister's 14) they manage to go over their 'unlimited' broadband by about £40 a month, every month. Maybe it's a teenager thing? Everything's a drama. <dreads teenage years>

Daisy I'd deliberately be a huge pain in the arse till i felt i was being looked after properly! Take care xx

georgee Wed 19-Sep-12 22:37:48

Sorry you've not had the best days today Catbag and daisy.

Just to say I share YW's name and spelling. 5 of us on the thread then?

There's a thread in Baby Names at the moment about naming your absolute favourite girl's name. Given me some food for thought anyway! I've added Helena to the list. It's not actually anyone's favourite but Elena is and I remember trying for that last time but DH saying no - but he does like Helen. So I'll give that a try!

I've had a catheter too with the CS but I think they put it in in epidural stage because I simply could not tell I needed a wee and my bladder was massive and hindering things! Nice! Overwhelming memory of catheter though was the thought that my FIL was sitting within a metre of my weebag when he came to visit the baby. Oh, and getting up once forgetting it was attached to me. Ouch.

'Night all.

Dixiebell Wed 19-Sep-12 22:43:04

DS is 2 in a couple of weeks. He says "mummy got baby in tummy, it come out", and "baby bruvva". and he says when it comes he's going to be gentle and stroke baby's hair. So thought he'd got it. But yesterday he was insisting that both he and his toy rabbit had babies in their tummies hmm.

blonderthanred Wed 19-Sep-12 22:47:30

I'm in the same name gang too - different spelling though.

Passmethecrisps Wed 19-Sep-12 22:48:38

Evening all. Parents' evening tonight. Not long home so totally knackered. Was pleasant though.

Interesting chat about arnica and raspberry leaf tea. Will get on that.

valium we get a tour sort of the ward in a few weeks when we go for the classes thing. The labour rooms are a virtual tour online. I have heard good things with jt being brand new.

People were also exclaiming about how I can't have long left - I must have looked particularly enormous today. No more "goodness, aren't you neat" for me!

Iheartpasties Thu 20-Sep-12 00:08:00

sorry to hear about the stress ladies, sounds awful!

GTbaby Thu 20-Sep-12 03:55:24

Oh oh awake again. Hope this isn't a pattern building up.

Iheartpasties Thu 20-Sep-12 04:35:51

I have two people in two days tell me that I am looking good and they cant believe there is only 7 weeks to go! That made me feel good. I know it really depends on what I am wearing, a flattering dress helps, other outfits do not help at all and make me look massive!

Lilliana Thu 20-Sep-12 07:30:30

Thanks for the info about raspberry leaf tea and arnica, another thing to add to my list.

Not looking forward to the teenage years so much now though!

We don't get to look around the mat unit any more - they have 3 virtual tours on youtube to show you around but not sure how old / up to date they are and they have been doing work to the unit for ages now - fx it is finished by the time we get there.

Around what time does baby stop turning around? Atm mw says baby is breech and back to back but I'm guessing there is still plenty of time for that to change (31+5)

MM I was thinking of doing a bit of tutoring after a few months too, not sure if that is mad or not so will wait and see.

I think I had to have a catheter because I had stitches but I think next time I'll say I'd really like to avoid having one. I'm sure not everyone who has stitches has to have a catheter?

There's an NCT sale in my area in a couple of weeks which I've been looking forward to since the last one! Hoping to get some more bits for the baby.

Spending the day with my mum, sis and youngest nephew today. Going out for lunch and taking kids to the beach.

Evilwater Thu 20-Sep-12 09:12:22

Well I'm one month today!!! Yep. One month... shock so next week, if he decides to come early he will be 37 weeks. shock

Argh, DP has just confessed that although on the outside he is cool and calm, he is actually going nuts with worry/fear about life as a dad! I'm not sure how to respond to this... It's normal for a first timer right? <clutches at straws>

TheDetective Thu 20-Sep-12 09:14:50

DP seems to be keeping to his schedule, and doing a pretty decent job of things. Im off to sleep. In my clean house grin I could get used to this!

Ps. I'm sleeping like a log. Always sleep better on nights because I have the bed to myself! Yay! Sorry to the insomniacs! But why not kick the other halves out for a better sleep?!

NervousAt20 Thu 20-Sep-12 09:24:02

Haven't caught up on the thread yet but seems there's alot of people who wanted the flu jab, just wondering why we need it? Ive got to have mine today

NervousAt20 Thu 20-Sep-12 09:24:14

Goes back to catch up on thread...

ValiumQueen Thu 20-Sep-12 09:31:23

daisy I am so sorry you feel unsafe in a place where you should feel most safe. Hopefully that selfish incompetent cow is not on much. I know they are busy, but they have a responsibility to care for you and your little one. I think the reason, indeed I know the reason my first birth was so awful, was because I did not feel safe. The communication was awful. I hope you have since had some reassurance, as feeling unsafe is not likely to help your BP! It is hard to be a PITA also, as you worry that they will ignore you further, but you can ask to see the senior midwife or doctor at any point. You may need to wait a bit, but you have the right.

catbag most likely a mistake, but not good I agree! Shocking they did not discuss birth options, especially with your history! I have a cervix that will not open without dynamite, but we discussed it at 34 week appointment. I would encourage you to chat to your MW perhaps to express your concern. As for that phone, gosh! I did not know that could happen. I will be old and senile before my kids are teenagers, which is some comfort grin

YellowWellies Thu 20-Sep-12 09:32:45

I put lavender oil on my pillow and it did help me sleep much better than the night before. Not great thanks to weight on bladder... but I got more shut eye than I was expecting.

Georgee Helena is my middle name!

ValiumQueen Thu 20-Sep-12 09:35:22

nervous when pregnant, you are in a high risk group when it comes to flu, which is why they like you to have it, even if you have no underlying medical conditions. It is all due to immunity. There have sadly been deaths of baby and/or mum, especially with the Swine Flu. It is very rare, but is preventable, which makes it even more tragic. Also if you have it, then breastfeed you continue to protect the baby when it is too small to have the jag.

StuntNun Thu 20-Sep-12 09:38:53

GT I don't think you're mad at all. I start a third-level OU mathematics course on 6 October and this will be the second time I've had a baby part way through an OU course. The only thing I would say is to look at how flexible the course is; with the OU you can get ahead and you can miss some assignments. Like you say, I can't see a GCSE with that level of tutoring being a huge burden on you. Didn't we manage to do eight at the same time when we were only teenagers and they were harder back then lol!

Tits my DH is completely freaking out as well, he doesn't want to think about it. Tbh I don't really see his problem, it's our third child, we already have one with special needs, our boys are older now (9 and 6) so they don't need so much attention. Maybe it's a bloke thing or maybe it's because I have such a strong bond with this baby already so I can't wait for him to be born, whereas for DH it's still more of an abstract event.

I think I'm going to wear a maternity shirt for labour. It'll be a bit longer than a t-shirt for some measure of modesty but I'll be able to unbutton it for skin-to-skin contact.

Right, must go and do some nesting.

ValiumQueen Thu 20-Sep-12 09:38:58

tits I would be encouraged by that reaction personally. He is clearly taking it seriously, and cares a great deal. He is also talking about how he feels. He will feel inadequate compared to you as well, as you have experience, so it is not as if he is going through these natural fears with you in quite the same way. He will be fine!

Brockle Thu 20-Sep-12 09:41:05

georgee I think Helen is a lovely name, classic, greek (ish) oh and mine blush

SwissArmyWife Thu 20-Sep-12 09:54:20

Wow evil can't believe you've only got a month left, it's getting so close for all of us now! Seven weeks to go for me.

tits bless your DP, it is completely normal for him to be worried, and remember for most men it doesn't really become reality until the baby is here. He'll be fine though smile
I'm feeling very worried myself actually.
I don't know why, I just can't seem to shake the feeling that something is going to go wrong sad I just want the next seven weeks to go smoothly and for him to get here safely. I didn't worry this much last time!

Morning everyone!
Anyone got any exciting plans for today?

I'm having my day a week holiday so i think i'm going to crack on with some cleaning and sorting. Will try do it in block with rest in between so I don't get too knackered.
Got my 31 week appointment tomorrow and then DH and I are going to a posh hotel for our wedding anniversary.

Baby has currently got hiccups but they're higher up than they normally are, more by my belly button than down in my pelvis, does that mean it's moved?

We picked up our handmade cot from FIL so that needs putting up and then I can finish off the nursery and put up the wall stickers.

horseylady Thu 20-Sep-12 10:12:46

Tits my dh the same lol!!!

Cat - whoops about the phone bill and Internet. Don't let the man make you cry - just take your lads phone off him!!

Evil - yay for 4 weeks, Im due 6 weeks today!!! 3 weeks left at work omg??!!!

Pass - I'm sure you still look neat!!

I'm shattered today!! I also didn't realise I have more bloods in two weeks sad booooo I'm sleeping but waking up as my lungs are just full of stuff it's horrid sad Anyway it'll be fine!!! Will pack babies bag tonight and have my third ante natal class too!!

georgee Thu 20-Sep-12 10:17:40

Ooh, YW, that's spooky! What a lovely name. TBH our first name would be in my top three if it wasn't my name, if you see what I mean. My sister wasn't so lucky, she really doesn't like her name (Margaret! I like it and Maggie suits her, but she hated it growing up).

Brockle we would definitely be up for Helen, I think it's a beautiful name (and I have one very special Helen friend who I'd gladly name the baby after) but it scans very, very badly with our surname. Helena works much better!

tits I think it's encouraging too that your DH is thinking about how it's all going to pan out, it's very natural to feel like that (particularly as people LOVE to say 'Ooh your life will never be the same again' - my BIL was particularly good at saying that to us.) Much better that way than in denial before and after the birth that your life will change. Also I was similarly worried before my DD was born, most of it was because I hadn't met her. The moment I clapped eyes on her all of that life-changing, self-sacrifice stuff made sense and I didn't care, it was all worth it.

Swiss conversely, talking to friends, it's like the more children people have, the more worried they get about things going wrong. I've had at least three friends like that (having third children) that are convinced it's all going to go wrong but all has been absolutely fine. It's no fun going through it though.

Hope everyone has a good day. My DD's being taken to Newcastle and back on a train by her grandparents (long story) so I have a whole six hours to myself! Which means of course I am going to construct the longest 'things to do' list in the history of the universe to take me through the next 10 weeks, panic my head off and then give up and watch Celebrity Masterchef on catch-up.

kirrinIsland Thu 20-Sep-12 10:22:53

Morning all smile

DH I had stitches but no catheter, hoping I won't need one this time either.

DD and I are turning into ladies who lunch! Today will be our third in a row. Tomorrow I have a days annual leave and DD is at nursery - bliss! Lie in and then out to buy a few bits for baby and hospital bag.

evil one month! It really is getting close now. I've got 7 weeks left and that seems very close but also very far away! I should have taken out shares in gaviscon. Am I going to have a very hairy baby?!

Brockle Thu 20-Sep-12 10:33:13

I am the same swiss after two DC's I seem to constantly be worrying about this little man. I don't know why as he spends a lot of his time kicking the life out of me.

I definitely approve of Helena georgee!

My Moby sling came today and all the pictures of little babies in the manual cheered me up. Today will be productive. Just don't know with what yet...

ValiumQueen Thu 20-Sep-12 10:48:06

DC3 here, and worrying too. I think it is because the more you have, the more you think you cannot be that lucky again.

5 weeks today. Big poo had, thankfully. Thank you apricots. Baby very active, making me sore. Also have a stinking cold and just want to curl up. Felt shocking this morning getting everyone up and out, and took me a long time to get my breath back, but I am feeling ok now, breathing-wise. Baby is well under my ribs, and is a big boy, so it is no wonder I am finding it hard going. Very little sleep had too. E

Clarella Thu 20-Sep-12 10:49:16

Morning all just attempting to catch up on thread, it is hard juggling two threads, I feel like I'm cheating on my other one!

Sorry about all the phone and internet stuff cat - that whole area worries me most with kids these days. I teach autistic children, some of whom are extremely good on the computer; we've had instances of bidding on eBay, accessing stuff on YouTube (prior to super sonic blocking software) but the parents have had worse - one 7 year old ordered a one tonne crate of lego from Norway using his dads credit card. Luckily the wholesaler was understanding. But worse has been YouTube chatroom stuff and world of warcraft, which for primary aged vulnerable children has not been good. We actively teach internet safety from year dot now. Shocked at mw too.

Just a quick poll; when did/will you lovely ladies actually be packing your bags if as far as you know its going to be a normal full term pregnancy? I'm 31 wks next Monday, only starting antenatal classes tonight dunno if I have head in sand, am being sensible or should be panicking!

Clarella Thu 20-Sep-12 10:50:11

Not Norway, Denmark. My baby brain likes to switch nouns all the time!

cat sorry to hear you had such a rubbish day.

The sonographer did the same thing at my 32 week scan last week. Saw my consultant yesterday and luckily he picked it up and is not worried.

He wants to see me every two weeks now and I will be scanned every two weeks. So I will have a scan next week at 34 weeks and see him at 35 weeks. He also booked in a section date for the 22 October BUT says he very much doubts I will get that far because of the weight of the babies and gargantuan bump. He says my waters will break before 38 weeks. The plan is to have a natural birth if my waters go early and twin 1 is engaged or an emergency section if twin 1 is still transverse or the planned section at 38 weeks, if I last that long. A lot to take in. I am having 2 steroid injections at 35 weeks to get the babies lungs ready.

I would ring up the hospital and tell them how you feel. Hope you feel better today smile

ValiumQueen Thu 20-Sep-12 10:54:00

clarella I had to smile at the Lego!

I think if you start getting stuff together now, at least compile a list and know where to get stuff. The instinct to do this will kick in fairly soon though. I am 5 weeks away from a section, and this last few days I have felt spurred to do this. Finishing it off today, then it is done.

MissMummy1 Thu 20-Sep-12 10:55:56

I am a constant worrier and this is my first! I think I'm a naturally neurotic person anyway, I get stressed out about anything and everything - it drives DH mad! My mums a bit like me too so it must run in our family.

Car seat base was perfect - I'm so pleased with myself! The kind man even fitted it for me. DH agrees it will be very practical so watch this space before he buys one for his car! (need to find him a new car first - the audi was awful and the guy selling it v dodgy).

As far as I know the flu jab is because our immunity is compromised from junior sapping all ouf vitamins and goodness. It also protects them if/when you breasfeed. I've always had it anyway as I'm asthmatic.

DH blurted out last night that he's freaking out he won't be as good a dad as his own dad is/was. My response he won't be as crap as mind probably didn't help. He also hates the idea our baby is surrounded by fluid and if anything goes wrong just now he can't help him/her - he spent 2 years dragging and resuscitating bridge jumpers from the forth, don't know if there's a connection. We had a big chat that he'll be a great dad and we're both going into this big scary adventure equally clueless. Then he sat and listened on doppler to junior's heartbeat for ages and I think that reassured him. They've shifted position again so kicks are barely noticeable sad.

At the moment Katy Rose or Roseanna Kate are the forerunners for girls names (I'm letting him choose within reason--). Our mums are Kay and Rosemary and my stepmum's Ann so he wants something with a strong family connection to them all. --I'd happily leave my stepmum out though..

ShellyBobbs Thu 20-Sep-12 11:37:31

Daisy Speak to another midwife if you see one, what a knob head. Start threatening them with a transfer to Saint Mary's if they start that game, but tell them you don't want Gill, she's well bossy smile

Well, I'm in the 'worry about nowt' brigade I'm afraid. I don't think I've every come across anything that has bothered me much. Last year I had a blow out on the motorway and got dragged across 2 lanes, then a few weeks later on the same motorway my brakes completely failed at 70mph as I was on the slip road and heading for a red light at the junction (down the gears and handbrake stopped me). Have also driven and camped round Europe with children aged 3, 5 and 7 and even hubby thought I was mad to suggest it and looking back says we were barking grin. I really can't be bothered with worrying and the nearest I've come to it this time is thinking 'I should really start to get things sorted', then phoned round everyone who said they wanted to buy me stuff and told them what I needed grin.

Feeling in the land of the living today for the first time in WEEKS, I've done some much needed housework that my lovely hubby has tried his best to keep on top of (as well as doing absolutely everything else, cooking, taking the kids to school, working full time, shopping and worrying about me), and am just going to crash on the settee for a few hours for a read and some sleep.

Should really think about organising something for my youngest daughters 8th birthday next week, but blaaah, I'll do it tomorrow.

I'm stressing myself out today and not baby related, well not directly.

I've just done the ironing and now i'm a bit achey so i'm having half an hours rest. Next job to do is the kitchen then lunch then the living room etc.
It's just that when I start one thing, I see another 10 things that need doing and then there's a few bigger jobs that need sorting before baby arrives.
I've written a few lists and i'm trying to break it down in to more manageable chunks.
Doesn't help that with DH doing lots of overtime and busy weekends with cricket he hasn't been able to do as much as he normally would. That should change from this weekend though, although we've got our anniversary trip booked.

Arghh sorry for the moan, I wish I could just relax and not see all the jobs. I think part of it is i'm not able to do as much as I could before and I'm not used to being reliant on other people to do things smile

WaitingForMe Thu 20-Sep-12 11:49:39

I'm 32 weeks today and my hospital bag has been packed for a few weeks Clarella. There are a few final bits to go in but I like feeling organised.

I bought a load of nappies and wipes at the supermarket today. I realised we only had the stuff I'd been getting free and that meant less than a weeks worth. The freezer is nearly empty so I'm starting to make a list for a big online shop for the stuff I'll be batch making once it has been defrosted.

Seven work days until I start the first stage of my maternity leave (no meetings outside my house). Time to stop driving all over the county!

Brockle Thu 20-Sep-12 11:50:22

Me too fatima. It drives me mad that I can't do/takes hours to do things that would usually take me minutes. I hate relying on DH to do things because I feel like I am constantly nagging him to do them.

Trying to be more positive today and listening to some classical music in the hope that it makes DS3 intelligent! He seems to like it.

Clarella Thu 20-Sep-12 12:06:15

Thanks for the tips - was afraid you'd say that! Coming to end of building site madness so not totally in zone as to but lists still include 'duct tape', 'grass seed' 'new bathroom' and 'gloss'.

But Fil and Mil helping to paint for next 4 days so maybe between cuppas i will sit n blitz 'The List' from my copied and pasted to notes mumsnet archive of necessities. Interestingly prosecco and pate was an early priority on the Dec thread (not my list!)

VQ yes, apparently it happened quite often on a smaller scale but a pallet of lego was a step too far :/

NervousAt20 Thu 20-Sep-12 12:06:28

Thanks valium I've had the flu jab was just unsure to why I was having it because no one explained. Had my bloods this morning too and there's only 1 women at my doctors that I trust to do them, I'm not a good patient, I get really worked up and stressed and I just completely trust this women so I won't let anyone else do them. So I made sure she was there and okay to do them today and when I got there mentioned it again and all was fine until the nurse called me and got VERY offended and upset because I said very politely that I'm a nervous patient and just trust this other lady so would prefer for her to do it and my god she was not happy!! She walked out the room and back was basically saying how she's much better then the other women and I've deeply offended her shock

ValiumQueen Thu 20-Sep-12 12:12:09

DH has been called for jury service 10 days before my section date. He will not get paid for paternity leave or jury service and it could be a long trial so I have said he should apply for exemption.

My boss has sent my paperwork to payroll not H.R. His ability to fuck up never ceases to amaze me.