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nickelbabe Sat 27-Aug-11 12:08:18

ooops, got a bit carried away there.....

sign in everyone!
let's hope we get some new graduates on here too!

KateeTheBump Sat 27-Aug-11 12:27:53

Thanks Nickel smile signing in, as ordered wink

KateeTheBump Sat 27-Aug-11 12:27:55

Thanks Nickel smile signing in, as ordered wink

Baby2b Sat 27-Aug-11 12:49:59

Keeping my place grin

nickelbabe Sat 27-Aug-11 14:47:54

lovely. grin

i forgot to mention, with the thrill of starting a new thread....

My very good friend rang me up last night to tell me that she's moved all her commitments (she's a SAHM, so mainly having to sort out childcare with her husband and his parents), so that she can come and stay for a week when I give birth and take over the shop for me. She says she'll try to do more than a week, but can only promise a week.
she's coming up in October to learn the ropes (and hopes to take over for a day as a dry run), then i have to ring her when I'm in established labour, so she can get the train. She won't take any payment (i offered books instead but she said she's just had a huge clearout and doesn't want any more!!)
It's such an amazing present, and I'm so glad that I can leave the shop in her hands (you know when there are few people you can trust with your life - she's one of them!)
She has ordered me not to leave the house (or bed!) for the week and DH and I can bond and enjoy the first week of parenthood together.
she also said that any problems she has, she'll ask DH about them, so that I'm not disturbed.

i had to stop myself crying when she told me the plan!

ConfessionsOfAnAchingMind Sat 27-Aug-11 15:02:49

Aww Nickel that's so lovely of your friend. Have been a bit worried for you and the shop to be honest.

nickelbabe Sat 27-Aug-11 15:32:05

me too!
i know i've had offers of "ooh, i'll do it for a day" etc, but it's not the same, because i knew with those well-meant offers, i'd still have to physically be in the building, on hand , and have to open and close and cash up.
at least with my friend (who doesn't like MN, btw. shock) i know i can leave it all in her hands smile

Dynababy Sat 27-Aug-11 19:06:39

Hey all! Been abscent pretty much since Oscar was born.. been focusing on feeding without crying in pain - managing on one side so far, other side work in progress. Any grads with advice most welcome!! Just managed to catch up (..ish) whilst he napped!

Massive congrats B2B hope everything is going well for you. Sounds like the delivery was reasonably striaght forward for you? What's the little beauty's name?

Good luck Esk you've probably already popped but just in case.

Waves to everyone else!

Eskarina Sun 28-Aug-11 01:54:46

Just to let you know that Imogen Elizabeth finally made it into the world late at night on Friday 26th after v long labour weighing 8lb 3 oz. Not at all the birth I had planned but will post about it another time. Main thing is we're both ok now apart from sore bits (me) and a very sore head (her). But she is perfect even if she won't sleep tonight

Congrats baby2b. Will read everything else later

vallinnapod Sun 28-Aug-11 16:33:56

Thanks for the new thread Nickel and what a fab friend you have. I can imagine it is a huge weight from your mind!

Congrats Esk - got there without induction but sounds a little stressful. I hope you are able to relax and enjoy each other now.

We survived our w/e in Brum with no baby arriving grin 39 weeks today!

ConfessionsOfAnAchingMind Sun 28-Aug-11 21:21:58

Congratulations Esk and hello to wee Imogen grin

Baby2b Mon 29-Aug-11 09:01:04

<waves to everyone> need to catch up on thread.

Congrats esk. Hope you are all doing well.

I got out of hospital the same day I had my little one and since then it has been a cycle of feeding, changing nappies and trying to grap the odd 40 winks. Finding he likes to wee on his clothes whenever being changed. Struggling with night times as he is very windy for a breastfed baby and cries lots. I think he would just prefer to be in with us rather than his basket too, any tips?

Would highly recommend reading Ina May's books before labour. I found them really empowering.

Baby2b Mon 29-Aug-11 09:04:54

Dyna Are they painful because they have already cracked? I find it frustrating when I keep having to break the seal, but mot worth the pain in the long run. I am finding lanolin really useful, but realise it is early days. The breast feeding threads are really good. Do you have the breast feeding support pamphlet for Lothian?

Baby2b Mon 29-Aug-11 09:05:13

*not smile

BamBam21 Mon 29-Aug-11 10:03:45

Hi everyone! Lovely shiny new thread, and I thought it was high time I jumped across. I was feeling a bit nervous about moving in here, as things have felt so unreal for me, and also DP wasn't working so I wasn't on MN so much. BUT, he has started a new job today, and last night I definitely felt some movement. Yay! I'm 16+5.

Nickel that's a really lovely thing for your friend to do. That first week will be so precious for you and your DH.smile

Congratulations to everyone who has had their baby now.winesmile

Can I just ask, did anybody else turn down the nuchal/Down's tests at 12 wks? DP and I were going to have them done, but I was determined that I didn't want an amnio or CVS if a high risk showed up. Anyway, the midwife convinced us that it was pointless to get the test, as we had said we would keep the baby regardless of any problem, and she said it would only worry us if there was a high risk but then we didn't get further tests. I know that makes sense, but I sort of wish I had got at least the nuchal test, just to know if there was a high risk or not. Sorry to ramble on, but did anyone else turn these tests down? Also, sorry if this has been covered earlier - I have done my best to keep up!

takethatlady Mon 29-Aug-11 10:16:56

Argh! I typed a long reply the other day and now I find it isn't here! CONGRATULATIONS CONGRATULATIONS esk and baby2b! Wow - two new babies on the thread. I love love love the name Imogen and only can't use it for one of my own babies because I have two friends with Imogens. Sorry the birth wasn't exactly what you planned esk but so glad you're all safe and well now smile Can't wait to hear more from you both.

dyna all I can say about the BFing is that it does get better. I forget how old your LO is? The first week for me was, in hindsight, a struggle (though I thought it was par for the course at the time and didn't mind at all): I had cracked and bleeding nipples and Isobel would stick her hands over her face and have to be held back to latch! It was a two-person job! But I used copious amounts of Lansinoh Lanolin cream, which really really helped (before and after every single feed). It made the pain bearable and everything healed really quickly. I would also peel back her bottom lip once she'd latched - both lips are supposed to be 'everted' (i.e. poking out rather than poking in) - and would try to tease her jaw open a little more once she was latched on. Usually it hurt when she latched on but she somehow readjusted during the feed and it would be better as she fed - do you have that too?

I also bought a breastfeeding cushion which I only use occasionally now, but it was a godsend because it put her body in a straight position which helped her to latch - their necks and backs are supposed to be in alignment and they shouldn't have to turn or tilt their heads too much. After a week or two of all this Isobel just learned how to do it herself and now I don't need to help her at all, and it doesn't hurt at all either. I'd also recommend trying different positions - lying down is pretty good - just lie down facing him on your side, and put him on his side, and guide the nipple into his mouth. It's quite peaceful that way and is the only position I've never found painful at all. Hopefully something in there will help! Well done for persevering smile

nickelbabe what an amazing friend! Am so glad for you - what a lovely thing she has done. I'm so glad that somebody has taken some of the stress away for you - perfect smile

Nothing much to report here except the giggles and smiles and coos are increasing day by day, which is amazing smile We went to a barbecue on Saturday and I expressed for the first time, and Isobel took cold, refrigerated milk straight from the bottle without a single moment's hesitation, so I was able to have a couple of really big glasses of champagne smile We're going to give her one bottle every three days now so she doesn't forget and reject the bottle but also doesn't come to prefer the bottle to the breast. That's the idea, anyway smile

How are all the preggo ladies?

takethatlady Mon 29-Aug-11 10:20:33

Hi bambam! About time someone else joined us! Congratulations!

I had the nuchal test. I think, like you, we would have kept the baby regardless and probably not had the amnio, but I thought it would be good to know and to have time to be prepared if there was a high risk. But I'm sure you're very very low risk anyway and I wouldn't worry smile (ha ha ha, easier said than done!)

Congratulatinos again!

BamBam21 Mon 29-Aug-11 11:04:59

Thanks TTL.smile I'm sure I have nothing to worry about, it's just a wee niggle that I could have had the test but didn't. And, of course, it's vital at all times to have something to worry about!wink

Your little Isobel sounds lovely! Re. BFing, I can't really comment. I tried with DS for the first couple of days, but just hated it. I was sore and miserable, and DS didn't seem to be getting much food and was crying. I can't express the relief I felt when the midwife brought me a bottle for him. I could see the milk in the bottle going down, and then he fell off to sleep! I really admire all you BFers, but I don't know if I will even try this time around.

ConfessionsOfAnAchingMind Mon 29-Aug-11 13:10:29

Hi BamBam, it's good to see you over here. It's getting so that there are more of us with babies than still waiting in here grin
Re your nuchal question. I didn't have the downs testing (they don't yet do the nuchal scan here, just blood tests) as like you we would have kept the baby regardless. I did have the 20 wk, abnormality scan though, as that is the one that will pick up if there is something really bad going on. Thankfully all that came of it is that I now have a beautiful, perfect little girl who is by the sounds of it, being terrorised rocked in her car seat by her big brother. Time to get off the computer!

BamBam21 Mon 29-Aug-11 13:28:51

Thanks COAAM. I will definitely be having the 20wk scan too, so hopefully there's nothing at all to be worrying about.

How old is your DS? Mine is 7, and is so excited about the baby, and desperate for a wee sister!smile I am so glad that, so far, the idea of a new baby is exciting for him and not intimidating, although he has asked a couple of times if he will still be my special boy after the baby comes. It will be a big adjustment for all of us.

Dynababy Mon 29-Aug-11 16:05:47

Huge congrats Esk on the arrival of little Imogen! So many viroid babies now yay!!

Thanks for the advice re breastfeeding, the little one is 3.5 weeks now and does seem to have learned how to latch, but one of my nipples still not healed from all the trauma despiteth lansinoh. I went to a bf clinic and think I now know why .. the LO got orl thrush as I had a sh*t load of antibitotics to sort out post c section uterine infection and apparently can then transfer to the breast .. so now got treatment for boobs as well as baby .. and hope thatat some point soon it will resolve. Apparently its unlikely to heal until the thrush has gone... god life is glamourous now - who even knew you could get nipple thrush!!!? In the meantime i just grit teeth when he latches on and pain eases as feed goes on as you say TTL

Congratulations BamBam!! Great to see a new grad! grin

vallinnapod Mon 29-Aug-11 18:43:16

Hi BamBam! Welcome to the 'other side' grin In answer to your question we didn't turn down any test as DH and I were keen to know any potential risk to bub as neither of us were sure what our decision would have been if the baby had had either (a) a high risk of Downs therefore required an amnio/CVS or (b) worst case scenario had Downs. I am all about too much info. Hand on heart I couldn't have said what I/we would have decided to do had we received any bad news. TBH if you knew you were going to keep the baby whatever, then the test is pretty irrelevant - not sure there is a whole lot of different advanced planning you would do for a Downs baby that you wouldn't do for a baby without the condition IYSWIM. Too cute about your DS and his special boy comments!

TTL I can't pretend I am not envy at your bubbles! I attempted a whole glass on Saturday but I managed an inch before DH got the rest grin - still nearly there and then I can guzzle like a good 'un.....once we have established BF and expressing gringrin

39+2, now our cricket w/e is out of the way DH is becoming militant about the way I sit etc hmm Still, he isn't keen to try the JSing way of evicting the baby hmm TBH I think it would be so comic it would be a miracle if we can get to the, eh-hmm, productive part! Long walk today bought on some mild period pains but nada else. Started EPO orally and up the chuff so we shall see grin

Oh, in other exciting news I only needed 2 wees last night - I saw this as a seriously exciting piece of news to tell anyone today........!

ConfessionsOfAnAchingMind Mon 29-Aug-11 20:15:55

grin You're so funny Val

BamBam DS is 3 and half. He loves his little sister, but still sees her as more of a toy than a tiny person he has to be gentle with. He's slowly getting better, but I do occasionally not interfer so that she will cry and give him a fright (obviously when I can see he won't hurt her and she won't cry once he backs off).

Dyna you could try nipple shields while your nipple heals. I've not tried them myself, but with DS I was seriously considering it! I know a couple of people who had to give up BFing due to thrush. Mum and baby kept reinfecting each other. The other trick you could try is to express from the sore boob while it heals. You still get the milk out, but the nipple gets the chance to heal. This I have done and found it really helpful. You sound like you're doing a great job though.

I'm a bit envy of the bubbles too TTL. I would kind of like a glass of wine, but can't bring myself to do it. Partly because with DH not able to drink I'd be drinking alone and partly because I'm afraid of the hangover I know I'll end up with.

Someone I know had a baby on Saturday night. In the back seat of the car right near home!!! shock

KateeTheBump Mon 29-Aug-11 22:17:10

Ooh the thread has got busy again, yay grin

Welcome back BamBam, lovely to see you again, and big congrats to Esk on her new arrival - yes, more details please when you can.

Spent the weekend entertaining a delightfully placid 6.5month baby girl, so lots of fun, can't wait to meet my own! Finally got the nursery curtains made today, so once the pool has arrived and the cot mattresses come I feel I am pretty much ready for this baby to arrrive. And so begins the wait wink

Dyna, good to hear from you, hope the thrush gets sorted asap and you get can back to normal, that all sounds horrible! Bloody antibiotics...

BamBam21 Tue 30-Aug-11 10:12:06

Morning ladies.smile

Hope the thrush clears up soon for you and LO Dyna. That must be so unpleasant for you.

Vallinna the waiting seems to be endless when you're so near the end! I found that long walks were the only thing that helped things along at all, and it made me feel like I was being pro-active in getting things started too. With this being my second though, I'm more worried about things starting too quickly!smile A bit like COAAM's friend!shock

<waves to katee>

Right, off to find the plumber's phone number. For some reason, we have no cold water in the kitchen, except the occasional dribble. I can't wait to find a new place for us all, as this flat is slowly falling to bits!grin

nickelbabe Tue 30-Aug-11 10:35:36

Hello BamBam ! Glad you felt you could join us on the new thread! grin

16 weeks, eh? Steaming ahead!

Eskarina - congratualtions on your graduation! grin
Hope you feel strong enough to tell us the story soon. smile
welcome to the world Imogen (bloody gorgeous name)

nickelbabe Tue 30-Aug-11 10:40:34

Bam - i did the 12 week nuchal tests, mainly because there didn't seem much point turning it down (actually, it's more to satisfy my sciency brain to see waht all the measurements were) - i would always have turned down the amnio or the cvs if it had been high-risk. For the simple reason that I wouldn't abort a downs baby (or one with the risk of the syndrome), so there's no point risking miscarriage for it. But the nuchal fold test and the measurement have no risk, so that's why I still did that one.

fraktious Tue 30-Aug-11 11:00:27

<wanders in peering through the fog of 4 month sleep regression>

Yay bam! I don't remember you from the TTC thread so I probably graduated before you joined but congratulations!

Congrats to baby and esk!

Glad your friend can help out, nickel.

dyna you have to attack the thrush. We have a little song to row, row row the boat which goes kill, kill, kill the thrush, oh the thrush must die... Your best friends are your iron (bras, breastpads and your knickers), milton (any breast pumps or bottles and toys which go in the mouth like pacifiers) and a 60C wash for all clothes, towels, reusable nappies and sheets. Do you have fluc tablets? The cream is crap, if you don't have it go back to your GP and demand that you are given it. Plus beware it showing up on his bum - if it does you can get a powder to sprinkle in the nappy.

Oh bugger, crying AGAIN!

BamBam21 Tue 30-Aug-11 11:22:11

Hi nickel! Yes, steaming ahead indeed! Actually, I feel like I got to this point really fast, but I've been stuck at 16 wks for MONTHS!grin Hope you are doing okay too dearie.smile You did exactly what I had planned to do with the nuchal test etc, but the midwife persuaded me that getting the nuchal test and then refusing amnio etc might just cause us extra worry.

Pleased to meet you frak! I think you graduated on the thread before I joined!smile

nickelbabe Tue 30-Aug-11 11:30:58

I don't suppose it really matters, if you're not going to have the amnio anyway.
It does give you that extra bit of info though.
I know what you mean about the worry - I refused to have the fanjo-scan on my 23 week scan, and the sonographer thought i was being a weirdo - I didn't need it cos I'd had it before at 13 weeks (but wouldn't have if I'd known i could have refused), but it didn't stop me worrying that my cervix might have shrunk considerably hmm

vallinnapod Tue 30-Aug-11 12:05:25

<hands hanky to Frak> apart from the emotional roller coaster and lack of sleep how is life as a threesome?

Still no baby here or any sign of any baby. TMI but my bowels are on the move so maybe that is a sign? Although they were a couple of weeks ago so it could just be the obscene amount of fruit and prunes I have consumed over the w/e (my delightful piles have returned - oh the glam!)

EPO seems to be doing nothing other than making my bits smell funky (not in a manky way I should point out but very much of EPO - which is not as fragrant as it sounds like it should be grin)

Bub is hiccupping away so I am going to get on the x-trainer for half an hour (with an episode of Teen Mom on my laptop!) to get gravity assisting!

BamBam21 Tue 30-Aug-11 12:42:31

I know it doesn't really matter nickel. It's just so out of character for me not to want every tiny bit of info I can possibly get! Was your fanjo-scan a routine thing? I don't think I am getting one of those, but I know all the different NHS areas do things their own way.

I am amazed at your energy vallinna! I couldn't do half an hour on a cross trainer at the best of times!blush Hope it gets things moving for you.smile

(What's EPO?)

KateeTheBump Tue 30-Aug-11 14:39:15

Evening Primrose Oil wink

supposed to ripen the cervix...

KateeTheBump Tue 30-Aug-11 14:54:41

Grrr MN has gone all pear shaped and deleted all the threads I'm on so I can't catch up, hmph angry

fraktious Tue 30-Aug-11 14:57:52

Ditto katee - was wondering whether that was just me!

JSing definitely helped here for eviction.

KateeTheBump Tue 30-Aug-11 15:21:33

Ahh, they're back, phew!

Hi Frak! grin and wave

nickelbabe Tue 30-Aug-11 15:32:21

finally back online!
I had to do some work shockshock

bambam ooh, you missed the fanjo-scan saga! shockgrin
we worked out it was because we're associated with King's (i think) in London, and I agreed for my results to be used in this research, so it meant that I got more, erm, prodding than was expected.... hmm
If I'd known at the beginning that it wasn't compulsor...
It's not routine in my sisters' PCT - so much so that my big sister had never heard of it!

vallinnapod Tue 30-Aug-11 15:46:03

30 mins exercise...not a twinge grin

Good job - my second blanket is taking an age to knit/sew....with hindsight, small squares were not the best idea...bored now!

KateeTheBump Tue 30-Aug-11 15:54:11

could it be a blanket for a bear vallinna? wink

vallinnapod Tue 30-Aug-11 16:02:22

It looks like a blanket for Lego people as I knit it as each square is only 2"x2"!

KateeTheBump Tue 30-Aug-11 16:10:51

Ooh that does sound a wee bit fiddly! I went for patchwork in the end, and got my mum to knit a blanket, less headaches all round grin

vallinnapod Tue 30-Aug-11 17:24:44

It was just stupid of me grin The first one I did was 8"x8". Much easier! I have spent most of the day doubled over stitching squares together. The baby is not happy and I am not happy as I realise how much more I have to knit and sew!

Number 2 is going to think they are extremely unloved as I cannot ever imagine having the time to do another one wink

vallinnapod Wed 31-Aug-11 00:17:43

Evening all. In can on way to hospital as waters gone! Probably be sent home as no real contractions but they need to confirm it was my waters. I have waxed my underarms and repainted my toes nails before heading in, just in case they don't send me home again grin

Baby2b Wed 31-Aug-11 02:10:03

Good luck Val smile xxx

vallinnapod Wed 31-Aug-11 08:16:42

Teddy Fox 'pod' made his way into the world at 5:54 this morning. Weighs 7lb 7oz. Gorgeous (obviously!) Stupidly quick birth, no stitches. Will post more later xx

Baby2b Wed 31-Aug-11 08:36:12

Congratulations Val! Hope you are enjoying being snuggled up to your little one. smile

Baby2b Wed 31-Aug-11 08:37:21

P.s. Very impressed with you having toes polished for delivery grin

Baby2b Wed 31-Aug-11 08:40:58

Oh, if you have it start using your lanolin straight away and break any sore latches. I have found breastfeeding tiring but not painful thanks to this.

KateeTheBump Wed 31-Aug-11 09:01:26

Yay! Congratulations on Teddy's arrival Val, that cross trainer must have done the trick grin either that or all the bending and sewing made him think, right, that's it, enough of being squished, I'm outta here! wink

Enjoy your cuddles smile

Eskarina Wed 31-Aug-11 09:28:36

Congratulations Val and Mr Pod. Hope you're all doing well. Very impressed at both speed of arrival and your pre-birth activities.

Waves to frak and hands out tissues. Lovely to hear from you and good to know how it's going.

We had a good night here, still awake lots if times but Imogen woke to feed rather than scream. Am sitting in bed now with DH asleep to my left, Imogen in her crib asleep to my right and the cat asleep by my feet. Of course having had the least sleep of anyone I'm wide awake and so what better thing to do than catch up on MN!

Actually this might be a good time to put birth story down. Katee, nickel and bambam look away now and think of val and her no-stitches quick delivery!

I started having regularish contractions on Thursday afternoon after lots and lots of walking. Seemed to be approaching the magical 3 min mark but then tailing off again. Hypnobirth breathing and tens machine worked well and by 2 am I rang hospital who said to give it another hour to see if things warmed up a bit more before coming in. They suggested taking a bath which I did but that slowed everything down again so I was somewhat unimpressed at that.
Eventually went in to birthing centre at 7am. When they examined me I was 6cms. Continued with tens and breathing until 11 or so when a new midwife came on and suggested I try the pool. Problem with this is it means taking off tens so I moved onto the gas and air. It really worked for me but I didnt get the hang of breathing it just for the contraction so was breathing it continuously and got completely spaced out. I think this is where things started to go wrong because I then got confused and frightened when the midwife wanted to check things. After 4 hours in the pool I was only 7cms and the midwife was getting worried.
When she and DH got through to me that I had to get out of the pool I got very upset. Midwife broke my waters and hoped things would move on faster, but no luck. Senior midwife said I had to be moved to labour ward as progress too slow and they needed to keep a closer eye on baby's heartbeat.
Labour ward was very different from birthing centre. Some things were just so silly like the hose on the gas and air was so short that there was no way of moving around or doing anything other than reclining on bed, unlike in birth centre where you could move around with it.

New midwife came on shift and got drs involved as still no real progress and I'd been in labour for 24 hours by this point. I was put on a syntocinon drip (what they use for induction) to strengthen contractions but it didn't work very well. I had an epidural put in at this stage because I was just so tired. By 7pm they decided I was far enough on to start pushing at which point my lovely gas and air was taken away from me.
Pushing for 1.5 hours and DD just didn't move at all. I didn't like that I was being told to hold my breath and push, all completely against the hypnobirth principle, but when you're being strongly encouraged to get on with it someone else's way it's hard to argue.
I could tell from the way the midwives talked at their handover that things weren't going well. They summoned the drs who decided more help was needed. I was taken into theatre and given a spinal block. Was a complete wreck by this point and tried to convince anaesthetist to give me a general anaesthetic so they could do a section and i could wake up and have a baby and it would all be over. He was lovely but wouldnt be persuaded ! They tried to pull her out with ventouse first but she was well and truly stuck. Scissors were involved so that surgeon could turn her. Then they said I had one more go to push or they'd have to operate. Thankfully I did manage to push and work with the ventouse enough that she came out on that last chance.

Part of me wonders if I'd been caught in the cascade of intervention that we hear so much about, but at the end of the day she was stuck completely and not able to descend so if anything intervention earlier might have been a good thing.

Oh and she's awake. Will check this makes sense later


ConfessionsOfAnAchingMind Wed 31-Aug-11 10:17:21

Whoop Congratulations Vallinna. Only a little envy of your quick stitch free birth wink. Welcome to the world Teddy grin

That made sense Esk. You poor thing having to go for so long, but it sounds like you did a fantastic job coping (G&A is lovely isn't it?!). pleased to hear things are going well now.

Not sure what I'm doing on MN actually, DD is asleep and I need a shower. We've just reached the 'oh whats this and can I hit it stage?' So cute and means her toys are now for her pleasure, not just for show.

nickelbabe Wed 31-Aug-11 10:58:51

blimey vallinna - that was quick!!! shockshockgrin

well done!

Dear God, can I have one of those births please? ta.

nickelbabe Wed 31-Aug-11 11:46:38

oh, Esk
sad <<big hug>>

that sounds like a nightmare.
have to say, i think i agree with your idea of it beign the cascade of intervention.
it sounds all perfectly reasonable till the midwife insisted on breaking your waters to move thigns along a bit. My sister had this done to her too, and she says she wishes she'd been stronger about that, because it didn't help at all and led to her needing to be stitched. (she had about 2 stitches with her first, and 2nds are supposed to be easier!)
Thankfully, she didn't have as many problems as you did.

I suppose we have to be thankful that Imogen was born without section, and that she's here and healthy.

Eskarina Wed 31-Aug-11 11:59:53

I'm glad it makes sense, it got a bit frantic trying to finish before she squawked! As you say nickel, she's here and she's perfect! I actually meant the bit about intervention the other way round. She was physically stuck in the pelvis, unable to rotate or move down so I can't see how she would have come out any other way than with help, and if they'd started the interventions earlier then it might have been over sooner.

nickelbabe Wed 31-Aug-11 12:05:42

ah, see.
Maybe if they'd spotted what the problem was, and been able to get the ventouse or forceps up there before, then you wouldn't have had the problems?

I do wonder though, if she was wedged because the waters had been broken too early?
I know I don't know what i'm talking about though grin

Baby2b Wed 31-Aug-11 12:56:07

esk that all sounds so stressful. I think you can't really second guess these things. There are so many factors that all need to come and work together inside our bodies, never mind the intervention. Hindsight is a great thing and it is called the miracle of birth for a reason. As long as you felt you had choices and were making the final decisions.

Will post my story shortly. smile

Baby2b Wed 31-Aug-11 13:01:09

nickel the waters shouldn't really cause that. You can be given 48 hours after your waters have broken or can give birth without them breaking. It's a tough one when the baby is stuck. My friend had to have a section as the shoulders didn't fit....a real shame when she had spent hours in labour. Again hindsight as she could have accepted section sooner.

nickelbabe Wed 31-Aug-11 13:41:27

it's like after all that, there's nothing you can do. sad

Baby2b Wed 31-Aug-11 14:20:42

You do what is going to get the baby to you in the safest way. Also what gives you relief.

esk very impressed with how long you lasted on tens machine. I had similar experience on gas and air. Dh went to the loo and when he returned I just kept muttering, 'I feel the pain, but I'm wasted'. grin

nickelbabe Wed 31-Aug-11 14:57:55

perfect way of putting it B2B
i think i'm just scared of something going wrong

Baby2b Wed 31-Aug-11 16:39:13

Have I mentioned this book? Ina May

More than happy to send you my copy. It made me feel really positive during the birth. smile

Baby2b Wed 31-Aug-11 17:07:37

My labour story, hopefully not too much info! :-)

I managed to get to 2cm, just using the tens machine, with relative ease at home...mild contractions for 24 hours (breathing through them). Then when the pain was getting unbearable at home even though my contractions were all over the place...between 5mins and 8mins I had two at 5 mins and lied to hospital saying that they had been like that for an hour or two and regular! blush

Arrived at Hospital. When I got checked and found out I was 2cm I didn't realise she did another sweep. Was offered paracetamol but asked for gas and air and used with my tens machine for two hours. Gas made me feel really spaced out and I I I was sick. Felt like a failure as I was struggling to cope. After 2 hours I begged for 'anything' and was given diamorphine. Was nearly crying as I had wanted water birth but couldn't face it when I had hours of dilation ahead. Given injection 20 mins later. After the injection i was checked again. During that two hours at the hospital I had went from 2cm to 9.5cm! I had actually been 'not coping' as my body was wanting to push. The diamorphine made me feel back in control and I realised I had actually been doing really well. Just progressing faster than they expected a first timer.

The second stage was the part I was scared of most, but it was actually far more manageable and productive feeling than the previous 2 hours. Was told to just go with my contractions for an hour and not push until i had been checked to be 10cm. My body started to push by itself after 10 mins. Was told to go with this for an hour and then there would be active pushing. Despite different positions I couldn't get his head out. They were going to get a doctor for ventouse etc. My dh asked the midwife about the possibility of me tearing. I was determined to get him out and asked to her to make a cut as my contractions weren't lasting long enough to help final push. Pushed him out after the small incision had been made. Stitches aren't bad at all. Feel really positive about my birth experience. With hindsight I should have went in the pool as didn't need the medication, but may have still struggled with final push. Hope this all makes sense. Oh, I had a student midwife in with me and loved having two people looking after me throughout. Also had a male trainee doctor ask to come in, which I didn't want. Dh had been prepped on this in advance and said no. Plus it would have been getting a bit crowded. Actually dh being helpful and assertive was largely what made it such a good experience as I liked that even if I was drowsy he knew what I wanted and was good being reminded to drink water etc...
Longest post ever!

Baby2b Wed 31-Aug-11 17:51:23

Forgot to say, I had my waters broken for me when they realised how far along I was. Didn't want to go by themselves.

NervousNelly Wed 31-Aug-11 22:17:17

Wow val that was a surprise grin. Congratulations on the arrival of little pod. And yay too for baby2b and esk grin

<resolutely ignores birth stories even though it's all rather academic>.

Hope everyone else is doing well!

nickelbabe Thu 01-Sep-11 11:43:13

wow, that was a rush shock
because you got so quickly dilated, your body was struggling to cope <<furiously scribbles notes>>
I'm not impressed that your MW did a sweep without you knowing.

I had gas and air and diamorphine (the latter after my op) when I broke my arm. I liked gas and air. grin

I have to say, that my biggest fear is the amount of intervention everyone seems to have. I'm hoping that by having a home birth, they won't do things automatically, but i'm scared of having to tell them not to touch me.
I don't want any interference at all, not internal exams, not fingers up my fanjo, not sweeps, not injections or pain killers.
It also sounds like the water idea isn't that clever - you've got to have exactly the right temperature or it slows it all down. I don't think I can handle that pressure.
Plus, DH isn't very good at thinking on his feet - he needs clear instructions, and he believes that the medical people know best. Yes, they might have seen lots of scenarios, but they're not me and I don't necessarily conform to the standard. And I have noticed from other people's stories that they seem to just do stuff because that's how it's done, or how they always do it.

Not that I'm panicking about this or anything, oh no.

BamBam21 Thu 01-Sep-11 11:47:04

Congratulations Vallinna! Brilliant that it was a quick birth too.wine

Thanks for the reassurance on the fanjo-scan issue nickel! I don't like the sound of it, so I'm not surprised you felt a bit confused about it!

Really hoping that, as this will be birth number 2 for me, that it will all be very quick and problem-free (not too quick though!). The main thing is all these beautiful, perfect boys and girls being born though.smile

Just waiting for the stop-smoking midwife to visit now.blush

nickelbabe Thu 01-Sep-11 15:50:08

ooh, i forgot to tallk about movements!

last ngiht, Isbn was moving around like crazy, so I got DH to put his hand on the belly, and he felt the movement a few times!
He didn't like it much - thought it felt really weird, and every time he felt it, he pulled his hand away in shock hmm

KateeTheBump Thu 01-Sep-11 16:06:36

Ha ha wait until your 30+ weeks and your whole belly is moving and then see what he thinks nickel grin

I'm really looking forward to giving birth at the moment, hoping it stays that way. Have also noted that there is a full moon four days before my due date, so hoping that will do the trick wink four weeks and three days and counting until I finish work...

Baby2b Thu 01-Sep-11 16:24:58

Nickel, it was more a mental thing than that my body wasn't coping. Had more resolve when wasn't using gas and air. If I had known things were moving so fast I wouldn't have asked for the painkillers (well demanded reallyblush). The sweep should have been asked about but everything else was fully informed and consented too. I think my midwifes were amazing.

Bambam, well done on the trying to give up smoking front. At least by trying you will be having less. I don't smoke and would vomit if I smelt a cigarette at 50 paces during my pregnancy. Would be a rich women if I could bottle and sell that repulsion as a giving up aid grin

nickelbabe Thu 01-Sep-11 17:14:07

that's okay then. grin
Trying to worry me like that! shockwink

vallinnapod Fri 02-Sep-11 09:40:44

Morning ladies!!

Still on a hormone high here. Very, very good baby doing nothing but sleeping at the moment to lull in to a false sense of security but I can do nothing other than stare or cuddle rather than sleep to at the moment!

Thanks for sharing your birth stories Esk and B2B. Just typed mine for a friend so it is below!

Nickel I second what Katee says, the alien tummy from around 30 weeks is a sight to behold! I think it is natural for men to find it a little odd and also to be afraid that them pushing or feeling may hurt the baby!

Hope the smoking MW went well BamBam, don't blush. You are trying to do something about it!

So, here goes......

I have to say I completely lucked out on the birth front.

Went to bed on Tuesday night and was watching Have I Got News for You repeats and generally talking to DH about if we felt ready for a baby, the house (which we get the keys for today!) etc when at about 22:45 I feel something that I am pretty sure was my waters breaking. However i thought it may be the EPO tablet melting! Shot out of bed (no mattress protector ;)) and went next door to realise yep, waters gone and trickling away still. Thankfully they were pink so fingers crossed in my mind that whenever we got round to the birth part in theory I could still go to the birth centre at this point. I got a little bit irrational at the point as the next things i did were to wax my under arms and repaint my toe nails....think I was in a bit of denial as I am really not that vain! To paint my toe nails I had to put one leg up on the bed whilst the bump went in the middle so as you can imagine I had to do this standing on a towel as every time I changed position there was more leakage!

Called the birth centre who said I should come in so they could confirm that it was my waters and make an appointment for induction if I had gone into labour naturally in the next 16 hours. So it's now about midnight, still no contractions and we get a cab.

In the taxi I start having some mild contraction (just like period pain) about 6 mins apart. Get to the birth centre which was really quite, i think only one room out of the 8 was occupied. We were behind a couple clearly in very active labour so put in a room to wait. I start pacing around telling DH when I was having contractions, which I hadn't realised had gone to 3 mins apart. Still quite mild.

The MW comes in and takes a swab but no further exam and it still looks like we are off home with instructions to come back at 6pm if things haven't progressed. She then says she'll just go write my notes up and will be about 20 mins. In this time things start to intensify. All throughout my entire labour I only felt the contractions as period type pain (although on a scale never felt before!!) so sort of low and in my pelvis. I could only get comfy on my knees leaning over either the bean bag or couch bed. By this stage I have whipped the dress I am wearing off as I decided I really should put the TENS machine to some use! It was fabulous throughout! Although we should have probably read the instructions beforehand....also at this point I realised i wasn't going to be the nice quite labouring type but the making any sort of noise through my contractions (on the out breath) seemed to 'help'. I rationalised it in my head that if I was making noise then I was definitely breathing!

The nurse returns with my notes to this scene! I think at this stage she thought I was a drama queen, I certainly did! We insisted that before she sent us home she give me an internal which she did to find I was 1cm dilated. So going home on the cards still. She left us for another 20 mins or so (no concept of time!) During this time things ramped up again and I was saying to DH that i had no idea how i was going to get home, let alone back to the hospital again and that when we did come back i was going to have to go to the labour ward as I had completely under estimated the pain and intensity and that there was no way I could spend 12-14 hours and then some feeling like I did then.

I tell DH to ask the MW if there is anything else I can do for the pain. She gives my two painkillers but as I had taken two paracetamol I would have to wait to 04:00. I think it is about 01:00 at this point. She suggests I get in the shower. Which again was great. Really powerful. I was quite hesitant to take the TENS off but the pain relief was as good. For some reason the the pressure on my back was the best even though the pain was at the front. She got me out of the shower and examined me again to find I had gone from 1cm to 8cm in 1.5 hours...

I didn't really comprehend this. All that really registered was that she finally came back with my admission wrist bands which meant we weren't going home! I was saying I thought I was going to have to transfer to the labour ward as I really couldn't cope with the pain. Up to this point my pain relief had been TENS, 2 paracetamol and the shower....and I didn't register 8cms in my head for some reason I thought I could still be in active labour for another 12 ish hours or so (no idea why I kept fascinating on 12 hours!). MW suggests trying G&A at this point and asks if I would like her to run the birth pool. I hadn't realised at the time but they had been religiously sticking to my birth plan and discussing it with DH throughout which to my mind now was fantastic. I think the only 'problem' was none of us realised how quickly things were progressing and therefore I think my cries during the contractions may have originally been seen as a bit of an over reaction!

Didn't make much of the G&A at this point and again was more anxious about removing my friend the TENS as we moved to the birth pool than anything else! Although after the shower DH hadn't applied the pads as well I was getting some quite amusing twitches!! Even more amusing when he failed to turn the machine off before removing the pads and sticking them to his hands, shocking himself!

So we waddled next door to the pool. Again, I look back now and know they would never have let me in the pool unless birth was pretty imminent but everything still felt forever away.

Got in the pool and at this point I don't know if it was the water, starting to use the G&A more effectively or the fact I am pretty sure I went through the transition at this point but finally, between contractions, things felt much, much calmer and more serene and even the contractions themselves felt more structured, in that they had a start, peak and end. Before that it was just constant discomfort and pain. I've seen some photos from this point and I look pretty out of it! I also asked for an epidural (again!), c-section and a taxi home at this point so I think thy knew I was transitioning!!

I was never examined internally again, just told that if I felt like pushing then to go with it. They regularly dopplered the baby who was just chilled throughout!

DH tells me he thought I was pushing for about 40 mins although, to be honest, I remember only pushing about 3 times for his head. What was weird was trying to work out if I wanted to push as I would get a contraction and not feel the urge until just after it peaked. I felt I had to concentrate really hard. I definitely felt the 'ring of fire' I had heard about when he crowned but was still really shocked when his head popped out! Not as shocked as DH who went to the other side of the pool to see his son blinking up at him and opening and closing his mouth!!

Another contraction or two and out he came! They pushed him back through my legs so I could pick him out of the water. All of a sudden I had the gorgeous, blinking, gawping purple prune!! I was just in open mouth amazement that he was here and perfect. All this and it was only 05:54!

He had a very short cord so it was quite hard to hold him. I wanted a physiological 3rd stage but they (well, DH) cut the cord pretty quickly. Got out the pool and sat on the birth stool to deliver the placenta which seemed to take forever as Teddy wouldn't suckle so I was having to push with no real urge to push. Still, all out eventually.

Even luckier at this point as I am examined and told I have some grazes but no tears. I was very pleased at this as it justified the £90 I had spent on the EpiNo!

Sorry, all clearly very fresh so lots of detail!

Right now I am getting used to having a baby! As i said he has spent most of his time sleeping lulling me in to a false sense of having a perfect child. Am told this will change in the next few days! Struggling a bit with feeding as he is just really not interested. We eventually get there but so far he only likes the right side and this morning my left is rock hard so am going to have to attempt to hand express some of that out! He gets hungry, gives me all the feeding cues, latches but then just stops before he sucks. Definitely got the suck reflex as when I put some milk on my finger and put it to the roof of his mouth I am lucky to get my finger back!! So we are both on a learning curve!

I rcanno believe this tiny little, 2 day old, gorgeous , warm bundle of fabulousness is mine! Or that he has been with us of only hours rather than years already.

I better attempt to wake him for breakfast!


fraktious Fri 02-Sep-11 10:01:09

Aww congratulations vallinna!

I wish I'd had water as pain relief - your birth sounds marvellous smile

nickel don't be worried, you can refuse interventions! I also think that quick dilation is more of a mental challenge than a physical one. I was fine, I was fine, I was fine, I wanted an epidural, a C-Section, anything to get him out, I was fine. I honestly think there's a point where your body just whooshes ahead and your mind may or may not catch up!

Baby2b Fri 02-Sep-11 10:31:42

Congratulations Val! smile I think we both had the same initial problem of denial and then thinking it is meant to take ages! They drum it into you so much that it is an hour a cm, it takes you by surprise when it is quicker.

Frak, thank you for explaining better than me. grin

nickelbabe Fri 02-Sep-11 11:10:11

wow, that's a fantastic story smile

Am tempted now to get one of those epi-nos!

I also wish i'd never heard of epidurals or c-sections - mainly because if i don't know what they are, i wouldn't be tempted to ask for one in the pain part!
I can just imagine DH fighting between what I told him I want to happen and me being in pain and screaming out for all this intervention! (I must make sure I remind him that I made the decisions when I was lucid and in sound mind..... grin )
thanks for the reasssurance frak . smile

vallinnapod Fri 02-Sep-11 21:33:52

Wot Frak and B2B said re: dilation. It was not really knowing what was going on or how long that it would last that made me a bit confused shock As with Frak I too was very rational between contractions, apologising for making such a fuss and accepting everything as it was!

Just read my discharge papers properly...apparently I was in labour for 2 hrs 54 mins shock hmm Felt a touch longer than that...

We went for a walk today, felt like I was playing dollies! Might have pushed it a bit for me as it was very hot and I ended up feeling very faint in Sainsburys. A bottle of pineapple juice later and I felt better but made me realise I am perhaps not totally invincible. Getting better with the feeding on the right side but not the left. Used my electric pump to express that side as my boob was getting very hard. Have two little pots of colustrum in the fridge and a slightly less hard boob, although not as 'normal' feeling as the other. Also on the second express I managed to take some skin off my areola. So pissed off with myself, I would accepted a chapped nipple because of the baby but now I feel like a prat blush Not even like it hurt at the time.

nickelbabe Sat 03-Sep-11 10:48:30

oh dear, yet another thing to worry about.....

my mantra is "it'll be fine" and i'll lend it to your sore nipples, if you like! smile

fraktious Sat 03-Sep-11 10:56:29

Why worrying now, nickel? It happens, you get through it grin

Val has someone taught you how to hand express properly? You might find that less chafey and just as effective. I didn't dare put my nips anywhere near an electric pump for a couple of weeks. Even now if I don't position them right they can get a bit sore.

Plus different feeding positions might help him get used to the other side.

Good luck!

nickelbabe Sat 03-Sep-11 11:56:09

yeah, i'll get through it! grin
it just feels odd, now it's all so close, and you lot are popping all over the place, and it just feels very real and is very going to happen in the not-too-distant-future. shock
when it was a very long time to go, i could just let it float over my head! grin

anyway, lovely stuff, too, when we went to bed last night, i made DH put his hand on my belly as we went off to sleep, and he could feel Isbn fluttering around (he kept going "oh, there's one!"), and he said it was lovely cuddling both of us smile

cowboylover Sat 03-Sep-11 18:52:13

What a lovely birth story! You are doing really well with the feeding. I still feel more comfortable feeding on my right side rather than my left but 15 weeks on and getting better.

Nickel Don't worry, they will explain everything going on and I was like a crazy pozest lunatic for most of it according to DH and it still worked out just fine.

vallinnapod Sat 03-Sep-11 19:06:44

Awh Nickel I love those bedtime moments, both with DH and even when it was just Teddy and me!

Breakthrough today as we are now eating from both sides. Def preference for the right! We think his left side may have got a bit battered on the way out as his left eye is a bit closed still. But getting lovely wide eyed gawping.

Sorry...ultimate baby bore now! wink

KateeTheBump Mon 05-Sep-11 08:34:55

Awww grin

takethatlady Mon 05-Sep-11 09:36:43

Wow I have missed so much!!! Congratulations vallinna what an amazing birth story. Very envy at no tears - I thought I got off lightly with a small perineal tear which required no stitches and a couple of labial grazes (tmi?!). But tried to JS the other day, which was good except for the place where I tore was tight and tender, and it's kind of hard to avoid it.

Anyway, that is a really fantastic story and I'm so glad it all went well for you and Teddy smile And congrats on getting your keys to your house! It all happens at once, doesn't it? nickel, like esk, baby2b and val I had a really positive birth experience - it can happen (and we all had very different births). Now I've been through it I really think the trick is to be as relaxed as possible - it's actually not too difficult to be relaxed if you have the people around you who make you feel confident and calm (and nobody else!). I know it's easier said than done but try not to worry about interventions - if you've made it clear on your birth plan you want as little as possible they will honour it as far as possible. But if you need something, have it! I didn't want pethidine. 90 minutes after getting to the hospital I had pethidine and I loved it grin. I am very easily embarrassed at the doctor's etc, but honestly, you just won't care when you're actually giving birth - not just because of the pain, but because there's a job to do and your mind will be on the job and not on what is or isn't coming out of your fanjo grin. It's really hard to explain and I didn't believe people when they said that to me, but it's true. Now I'm virtually unembarrassable grin. You really will be fine, and you'll be even more fine if you relax as much as you possibly can (it'll help things).

I am a little envy of those of you with new snuggly babies smile Isobel is absolutely amazing right now - she grins, gurgles and coos all the time. The cooing is amazing - it's like she's just so full of happiness she can't help it spilling out of her. But the newborn stage was so gorgeous too. val, brilliant job with the BFing. Isobel was so sleepy for the first week or so that it was really hard getting her to latch, and for a good couple of weeks she would ball her fists up and put them in her mouth and DH would have to hold them back out of the way so I could feed her. But after a couple of weeks she just randomly learned how to do it - so much so that it's dangerous to leave her anywhere near my nipples now because she'll just find it and latch on by herself! You are doing a brilliant job smile Has your milk come in yet? You are going to get massive knockers when it does!

coaam, cuteness at the hitting and grabbing of toys smile

esk and baby2b, great birth stories too. Funny how it goes so differently for everyone. Hope you are having lovely times with your LOs smile

Saw everyone from our NCT group on Saturday for a reunion. We see each other every week anyway, but one of the mums who had really had a tough time since the beginning and hasn't been out much came along, and she's really turned a corner and looked fantastic. So that was lovely smile

So glad everyone is well and that Teddy has made it into the world. Anyone heard from bb and the twins?

takethatlady Mon 05-Sep-11 09:41:04

PS - totally agree about being really rational between contractions. I was very polite during labour- I only swore once ('fuck', and not at anybody else, just under my breath), I said please and thank you all the way through, and I told DH I loved him several times (and wasn't yelling how much I hated what he'd done to me, which is the cliche I suppose). I was actually amazed at how, at least for the first few hours, you can feel completely back to normal and free of pain between contractions. A minute of screaming, three minutes of total normality as if nothing is happening at all. That really helped!

nickelbabe Mon 05-Sep-11 10:18:55

awww, i can't wait for the gurgles! grin

thank you for being reassuring, ttl smile

glad you've sorted out your sides, val

Still no sleep last night - it's getting really tedious now. but I keep waking up on my back, which of course is causing me to worry. I have tried everything - having a pillow behind me so I can't roll, sleeping right next to DH (which he rejects, and turns over and away from me - the other night he fell out of bed grin (but it wasn't my fault! I was nowhere near him at the time! [giggle] ))

takethatlady Mon 05-Sep-11 12:37:02

grin nickel

Oh yes, I forgot tosay - the first proper JS since the birth (the other day, and the only one so far) was WEIRD. It hurt a bit but the worst thing was the milk spraying out of my right nipple when I got a bit, ahem, excited ... blush

nickelbabe Mon 05-Sep-11 13:08:42


right, i'm never JSing again after the birth! shockgrin

ConfessionsOfAnAchingMind Mon 05-Sep-11 21:27:55

TTL It's not to hard to be relaxed if you're off your head on G&A!!! (I was a bee at one point, flying around with a painful sting in my bum. Great fun grin).

shock and hahaha at the spurrting milk!! shock No JSing here. It's been forever and I miss it. Shouldn't complain though as DH can't help it.

So who's next then? Katee isn't it?

fraktious Mon 05-Sep-11 22:00:59

We've JSed a pitiful amount of times. The absence of the ERTD is making me strangely jumpy - I can't deal with another pregnancy right now and I got so scared a few weeks ago that I've flatly refused since. Add that the fact that BFing has depressed my libido to non-existent level and we co-sleep and have a live in nanny. The shag cape is well and truly retired for now.

ConfessionsOfAnAchingMind Tue 06-Sep-11 09:06:25

My shag cape smells like moth balls and is hiding with my apron (MIA since we moved -grr). It's been at least 6 months, though I think longer (see so long I've forgotten). Stupid fecking OCD. Wish bfing would repress my libido, then I wouldn't mind...

Baby2b Tue 06-Sep-11 09:09:56

I would like to get my shag cape on again soon, not loving waiting on stitches to heal. Hopefully by 6 week check up will be good to go.

With you on the not getting bfp again frak. Was just having a nice kiss with dh and I jumped before saying, 'we aren't protected!'. grin

In other news, I weighed myself yesterday and I'm back to just under my pre-pregnancy weight of 10st10 shock. The bad news is I need referred to physio at 6 weeks as my stomach muscles appear to have parted ways sad.

Hope everyone got a good night sleep. Thanks to co-sleeping we got some much needed zzzz.smile

Baby2b Tue 06-Sep-11 09:13:29

Oh frak, placing an order for the ergo with newborn insert (in-laws are treating us!). A friend has offered to lend me her babasling in the mean time. Reviews seem to be very mixed, do you know any reasons why I should avoid?

KateeTheBump Tue 06-Sep-11 09:16:22

Yep, me next! Definitely more postgraduates than graduates on this thread now wink I'm due 16 October, but who knows when LO might decide to put in an appearance?

I'm still wondering about what form of contraception to go for after birth - was so liberating coming off the pill that I'd rather not go back on, but unsure about the reliability of the various coil/IUD thingies - anyone have any thoughts/experience?

My current night time thing is waking up at 3am desperate for a pee and as dry as a desert - with accompanying dehydration headache - it seems to happen no matter how much I drink in the evening, so not sure what the solution is? I had lots of drinks, 1 litre of plain water and 3 pints of squash yesterday, so I'm pretty sure I'm getting enough fluids down me...

KateeTheBump Tue 06-Sep-11 09:17:40

PS MIL was horrified when I announced we were going to co-sleep with the baby - "but what if you roll on top of it"? Can't say I ever rolled on top of the cat in all the years I was at home, so I think I would be a leetle more careful with a baby... hmm

takethatlady Tue 06-Sep-11 09:29:34

katee I don't know if you're planning on BFing but everyone will tell you it protects you. I am not having that crock of crap and getting a BFP again! (Am so with frak there grin. At my 6 week check the doctor didn't want to give me any contraception because I'm BFing, but could only be persuaded to give me the pill (progesterone only as the combined stops milk flow) - she said the other options were less suitable if I'm planning on more children, which I am. That may also be a crock of crap.

She also heavily promoted the pill you have to take at the same time of day every day - ha ha ha ha ha. I asked for the one with a 12-hour window (it's called Cerazette) and she gave it to me. I also felt liberated coming off the pill, but since we're going to try again when Isobel is 1 I thought sod it, I'll just take it for a few months.

JSed again last night. No leakage grin. Not exactly comfortable either. Weird that some bits feel the same, other bits not ... shock

KateeTheBump Tue 06-Sep-11 09:40:33

Yes planning on BF, but also on expressing from time to time (if it works) which automatically debunks the protection (I think it has to be exclusive breast feeding on total demand to work)... I would like a little gap between babies please! I did get the contraception leaflet last time I was waiting for my mw appointment and it didn't say any of them were contraindicated for BF so I suspect you have been told a crock of crap TTL! grin Very responsible of her to not want to give you any contraception! hmm we'd all be swimming in babies if they were all like that!!

KateeTheBump Tue 06-Sep-11 09:43:08

TTL you might want to show her this? www.patient.co.uk/doctor/Postpartum-Contraception.htm

Baby2b Tue 06-Sep-11 09:51:26

Hey, my midwife said progesterone only. Firmly not relying on bf for protection. Oh the irony of coming full circle and being worried that you could fall pregnant at the drop if a hat grin. I had the implant before and got on really well with that. Not sure what to go with this time. My sis has had good experience with cerazette (sp.?).

Baby2b Tue 06-Sep-11 10:00:05

Good link katee. I think implanon still looks like my best option. I only wanted one baby, but well aware that time and hormones might change my mind smile.

cowboylover Tue 06-Sep-11 10:00:53

Different I suppose as I had a c-section but in the earlydays as long as my stitches didn't pull it was fine! 2 weeks we got carried away and had to call the nurse if I could do anything but she said no as I was BF so was a long month waiting to see if I was ok. I love my baby but the thought of another one scares the life outa me!
I'm on the pill you have to take the same time everyday (found out it's the cheapest that's why they push it) and it's ok now I have an alarm on my phone or I no way would remember!

How is the conception thread going as no many grads recently?

nickelbabe Tue 06-Sep-11 10:20:16

B2B - don't worry about the stomach muscles splitting (finally something I know something about! grin ). I have a midwife friend, who says it's surprisingly common- you do need to do lots of exercises to get them back into place, but it's not a lost-cause. smile

nickelbabe Tue 06-Sep-11 10:36:07

ah, Katee - good point - DH used to sleep with his cats before I moved in (they hated me for that! grin ), so he's used to co-sleeping. thank you for pointing that out, i'm sure he'll feel easier about it thinking in that way grin

I think we'll go back to condoms when we start JSing after the birth. (i've only just got used to JSing without any possible consequences)

I'm all in a tizzy at the moment, because my dad had a stroke on the weekend. It's nothing to worry about now (apparently), but he woke up on Saturday morning all blurred eyes and not able to walk straight. They took him to the QMC A&E, where they told him to go to the eye part, then the eye man sent him back up to the normal A&E, saying he could tell it wasn't an eye problem and he thought it was most likely a mini-stroke.
anyway, eventually, they got aspirin to thin his blood and an appointment at the Stroke section at the City for yesterday. They spent hours there too, because they discovered dad had metal in his eye - he worked at Raleigh, and they often got swarf in their eyes (no H&S in those days!), and this one bit had grown into his eye, being covered by the white over the years. Anyway, they had to wait while the staff at the city rang the QMC to see if it was okay to proceed with the scan with this in - they said fine, so off they went.
The conclusion was that he's got a growth or lump or something in his neck, which meant that the blood flow to his brain in that area was about 10%, which is why he had this stroke. So they've given him some other medication, and he's got to go back to Queen's today for an ultrasound scan on his neck, to see how they can get rid of this lump thing.
They reckon they'll most likely have to cut his neck open to get it out (not under general anaesthetic though shock )
Dad's taking it all in his stride, but he did get shaken up a bit on Saturday.
Big Sis said the most telling bit about him being properly ill was that he said "they'll only tell me i'm not allowed to drink or smoke!" - he hasn't smoked for about 18 years. hmm.
oh, also, I think he was shaken up because she said when they got to A&E, they asked him personal details, like his phone number - normally he goes "oh, i don't know, <mum's name> what's our phone number?" but he recited his phone number to them without hesitation. (as if to say "i'm okay!")

So, he's been banned from his favourite hobby (drinking) - they told him he's not allowed to drink at all (which means mum has also been banned from drinking by dad!) They also advised mum to stop smoking, too.
And he can't drive for at least 28 days, so they're having to look at train times/prices for when they come down to me next week.
(something else that i'm worrying about - I want to see them, but I don't really want dad to be under any added stress - plus it'll depend what happens tomorrow if they still can come sad )

KateeTheBump Tue 06-Sep-11 11:11:49

Sorry to hear that Nickel, the good news is mini-strokes don't tend to do any lasting damage, so the 28 days of not driving/drinking etc is really just a precaution. I had the same a few years ago with my mum's DP - was really very scary (they turned up at my house one day with his half his face drooping and then it took me 3 hours to bully persuade him that we had to go to A&E)! DPs dad has had several major strokes over the past 10 years - ended up having to have surgery on his cartoroid (sp??) arteries as it turned out he had so much gunk in there he only had 10% oxygen supply to his brain... didn't turn out to be any brainier or wittier after the op though grin I think they ended up using the gunk as a teaching aid <boak>

Anyway, all will be well Nickel, so fret not, your dad'll be in good hands and they're doing stuff to make sure it doesn't happen again, so that's the main thing. <hug>

ConfessionsOfAnAchingMind Tue 06-Sep-11 11:15:47

I'm a copper coil girl here (haha literally, my Mum's came half out and here I am!!) and had more trouble getting the damn thing out so I could TTC than the whole time it was in. I should book an appt to get a new one, but until DHs imroves enough to make sex an option again, I can't be arsed.
Exclusive bfing can provide total protection, but there is no way of knowing for how long for each individual and the first period can --will- take you by surprise, so better safe than sorry if you don't want a 9 month gap.

Oh Nickel how scarey for your Dad (and you and your family).

nickelbabe Tue 06-Sep-11 11:57:41

I wonder if that's the same as my dad, then Katee - with the carotid artery.

thanks for the hug. smile

Baby2b Tue 06-Sep-11 12:04:10

Sorry to hear that nickel <hugs>

BamBam21 Tue 06-Sep-11 12:34:00

Sorry to hear about your dad nickel. He'll be well looked after though. I hope your parents can still make it down to visit you.smile

I am going slightly mad here, as DS has been off school since Thursday with a rotten cold/virus thing. He's a snottery mess, but still full of beans and driving me a bit mad as I just want to have a rest and do some pottering about. The flat looks like a bomb has exploded, and I'm starting to wonder how I will cope once Bean arrives!grin

I went back onto Microgynon after DS was born, but I never found it as good as it was pre-baby. It used to work really well, so that I had really light periods and no PMT or cramps at all, but after DS they got really heavy and uncomfortable again, so I was quite glad to come off them to JS!grin Not sure what I'll do after this baby, but I don't fancy anything that gets put inside me (fnahr, fnahr) and I definitely couldn't be organised to take the same-time-every-day pill.

nickelbabe Tue 06-Sep-11 13:44:19

thanks smile

I'm definitely never going on the pill again - i didn't have any hassles with it, but just thought it was messing around with my body too much.

BamBam21 Wed 07-Sep-11 10:18:14

Morning all! How is everyone?

Well, DS is back at school today, and DP is at work, so it's just me and the cat at home. Bliss! Unfortunately I need to go to Tesco, but it's so nice to have a wee bit of quiet and alone time. I have really never felt so exhausted. I thought it would be better by now (18 wks today - whoop!) but I am just constantly tired, and I've turned into a right crabbit old sod.shock

How is your dad today nickel? Did they manage to get train tickets to visit you?

nickelbabe Wed 07-Sep-11 10:35:23

Spoke to them last night - they relayed the story matter-of-factly, which is sensible, considering my need for no stress.
basically, dad's got to have the blockage, which they now say is a thickening of the artery, so they've got to tie off the artery, clean it all out and put it back into action. all while he's awake. and it'll take about 2 hours, so he's got to sit with his neck exposed for all that time. I'm hoping they'll prop him up. But I guarantee he won't have any entertainment during that time.
So after this, nice, calm rendition of facts, my big sis rang me gushing with all about how worried she is, and how worried little sis is, and how stressful it is for mum and dad. Exactly what mum and dad were trying to avoid letting on to me in my condition. grin
I'm trying not to think too much about it - keeping the calmness of mum and dad in my head, rather than the worry that big sis is conveying.

Dad's really quite excited about coming down on the train, he knows about how long it'll take, the change in London etc. He's still hoping they can come next Friday, but I think it might have to be the week after at the earliest, judging by the time-scale and how serious this is.
My mum isn't helping because she's been going on and on and on and on about how she doesn't like long journeys, how trains make her claustrophobic etc, which is not what dad needs to hear - he needs to hear that he's got a solution to the concern of visiting me, and that everything's all nice and normal.

BamBam21 Wed 07-Sep-11 10:46:55

Aw bless you nickel. It's lovely that your parents are trying not to worry you, but it's only natural that you are. It sounds pretty horrible, but (and I really know nothing about these things!) it's probably quite a routine thing for the doctors to do. Does your dad have a date for it? I'm sure you'll feel so much better when you can actually see him.smile

I had some really awful dreams last night which have given me new resolve on the smoking front. I have my patch on and feel really determined. The stop-smoking midwife didn't turn up last weekangry, and she has failed to turn up in the past too, so I'm not going to see her again and just do this myself. I know another pg lady at DS's school who was supposed to see her, and she didn't turn up for her either. I know we should all be strong enough to stop, as it's obviously the right thing to do, but she is supposed to be providing support, and it's really frustrating when she doesn't come and doesn't even call or text to say so.angry Anyway, wish me luck please (againblush). I'm really determined.smile

nickelbabe Wed 07-Sep-11 10:51:48

yes, tomorrow.
Very quick.
they wanted to do it today, but dad said he needed "a day off"

confused not the best start to your cessation, is it! a MW who doesn't show up! You could probably make an appointment with a general cessation counsellor through your hospital or GP?
Good luck - just tell yourself you're a non-smoker smile

KateeTheBump Wed 07-Sep-11 10:52:17

Good luck BamBam, you can do this, and you will do it - and sod the stupid woman who can't be arsed to turn up (can you complain about her btw, she needs to be pulled up on this!). Keep going with the patches, and remember that every bit of smoke you don't inhale is a bit of smoke your baby doesn't inhale either smile Remember there's also gum you can chew (though MIL is still chewing it 11 years on!) so patches not the only option - or why not get one of those electronic things which give you the feeling of smoking without actually doing it?


KateeTheBump Wed 07-Sep-11 10:55:04

Hi Nickel, glad things are moving quickly - less risk of things happening that way - and at least if he is awake for the procedure he doesn't have to go through a GA, so will recover a lot quicker, even if it is unpleasant for a couple of hours.

Keep with the calm thoughts smile

fraktious Wed 07-Sep-11 11:42:45

Fingers crossed for your dad, nickel

bambam good luck and be strong. I'd also recommend finding another counsellor, it is really tough and you need support. The mental habit is hardest to break so one of the cigarette like aids might help, or finding another ritual. My MIL used cinnamon sticks like a cigarette -it had the same effect getting them out the packet and chewing, plus apparently the cinnamon does something.

nickelbabe Wed 07-Sep-11 12:16:43
BamBam21 Wed 07-Sep-11 13:07:39

Thanks for the support and advice ladies! I'm just back from Tesco and still have my patch on. I'm finding Fruit Gums are great to suck on as well, as minty things often start off a craving with me. It's now been 5 hours since I had a puff (pathetic I know, but great for me!) and I'm still feeling really determined.smile I will check out the cinnamon, and make sure it's okay to take in pregnancy. I also heard that liquorice root helps with cravings, so I might check that out too.

Gosh nickel it's all moving very fast for your dad, but it's great that the problem is going to be dealt with as soon as possible.smile

ConfessionsOfAnAchingMind Wed 07-Sep-11 15:12:11

health benefit #11 (though probbly a load of old cods wallop) is it helps regulate the hormonal imbalance the causes a short luteal phase. Like I say no proper scientic evidence to prove it, but I drank cinnamon tea the month DD was concieved and she is now 9 and a half weeks old.

Keep fighting the good fight BamBam.

BamBam21 Thu 08-Sep-11 19:24:27

Hi all.smile

How did it go today for your dad nickel? I hope everything went well, and he'll be right as rain very soon.smile

I've been pretty crap on the quit smoking today, but preparing to get back on the wagon tomorrow. It's so fecking hard, and I feel so fecking useless.sadangry I've been feeling some rumbly-tumbly movements in the last few days though, so hopefully that will be a big incentive for me, plus scan in 12 days.

Hope you are all well.

nickelbabe Fri 09-Sep-11 11:53:09

It went well, apparently smile
They all waited in the waiting room while it was going on, they cleaned out his artery - the doctor said that it went well, and that he'd gone to recovery.
Then his blood pressure was low, so he had to stay in recovery longer until his bloodpressure went up to normal.
he was in the ward overnight, so it was all fine.
Mum says they're not going to visit when they said, but they will as soon as they know he's well enough to travel. This is actually mainly because she doesn't like travelling, and makes herself panic when they're due to go on long train journeys - which means quite often they're cancelled.

She also started telling me that there may have been little incidents before that now make sense - like him getting eye twitches and some ditheriness (which they put down to his age in general)

you're not useless, you're doing the best you can.
just remind yourself you're providing the best start for your baby. It'll be okay.

BamBam21 Fri 09-Sep-11 12:04:17

Really glad to hear that nickel!smile Hopefully it won't be long until they can visit you, and you'll have a fighting-fit dad and a chilled out mum!smile

Baby2b Fri 09-Sep-11 12:22:59

Glad to hear things went well nickel.

Bambam you are doing well by continuously trying. Keep it up! smile

nickelbabe Fri 09-Sep-11 12:45:54

thanks smile

ConfessionsOfAnAchingMind Fri 09-Sep-11 14:54:45

Good news Nickel. Really pleased for you that it's gone well x

Keep up the good work BamBam.

nickelbabe Sat 10-Sep-11 13:00:52

Dad's home now - he came home yesterday afternoon.
Mum says he's annoying her grin
that's got to be a good sign!
He's getting busy making plans for coming down to visit, but they've post-poned it to mid october now. I think it's helping to take his mind off it all.
He did give me a lovely gory discription of the op, mostly that he could feel them faffing around, but it didn't hurt.
and that the anaesthetist used to live on the same road as us growing up - he didn't know which of the brothers it was though!

nickelbabe Sat 10-Sep-11 13:01:13

Bambam - hope you're coping today smile

KateeTheBump Sun 11-Sep-11 21:08:22

can you get them to time their visit to coincide with DH going on his trip nickel? Might solve the cat litter issue wink glad all went well!

Keep going Bam!

nickelbabe Mon 12-Sep-11 10:24:18

might be nice, but they want to see DH! (which makes me laugh, because I'm sure that they would have timed it differently if i had been with Ex....)
Dad's complaining now about the pain in his neck - not a pain but a niggling uncomfortable iyswim? He daren't take painkillers because of the drug cocktail they've put him on.
They are probably comign the week after, which means they'll have to come to my Belly Dance show! grin

BamBam21 Mon 12-Sep-11 11:13:54

Morning everyone.

Glad your Dad is doing well nickel. It must feel pretty uncomfortable though! I suppose it must be very hard not to move your neck around, and be aware of it all the time. Glad they will be visiting you soon though, and your show will be something to look forward to!smile

Thanks for all your encouragement about the smoking ladies! I'm still struggling, and finding it hard just to be brave enough to make that big leap into finally stopping. I know I will get there though eventually.

So windy here today, and the cat's going a bit mad as it's howling around the flat. It's supposed to get worse by teatime too, so I'm a bit worried that DP won't get home from work, as they sometimes have to cancel trains going over the Forth Bridge if it's too windy. I hate being apart, but at least he can stay at his mum's if he gets stranded. He even packed some spare pants this morning, just in case!!grin

nickelbabe Mon 12-Sep-11 11:27:25

it doesn't matter if you're struggling, as long as you're trying smile

BamBam21 Mon 12-Sep-11 11:31:06

I am trying nickel, I think I just give in far too easily. I tell myself that I am going to make a huge effort in the morning, and then when morning comes I find it so hard that I give in. Gar! I will do it. I will do it. I will do it.

nickelbabe Tue 13-Sep-11 11:19:50

Finally got my MW appointment this morning (what with having turned up on wrong day, HB taking them all away etc!)
It was blood-letting time, this one. MW was quite surprised that I watched her put the needle in and take the blood (explained that I'm a blood donor, and that their needles are loads bigger than that! grin )
BP 110/60, so normal.
fundal height (is that what it is? confused ) 29cm. I think I've forgotten!
and I weighed myself again - now 70.5kg, which it was 68.5kg before, i think, so i've put on 4lbs since my last appt. that was the 16th august.
so that's 4 weeks. ooh, that's juist about right, isn't it grin
I thought it was more than 4lbs.
used this to work it out

nickelbabe Tue 13-Sep-11 11:20:49

oh, and i was pouring out into my glass this morning, thinking "ooh, the opening's tight, have to be careful not to drop any"
then realised that I was actually pouring Weetos into my glass......... blush

cowboylover Tue 13-Sep-11 11:22:04

Keep it up BamBam! In the words of tesco Every little helps!

Glad your dads getting better nickel.

nickelbabe Tue 13-Sep-11 14:30:37

thanks smile

oh, i forgot to mention, that the baby was upside-down today - MW said "i don't normally say where the baby is, but I can feel the head right there" and then reassured me that wasn't a problem at this stage. I just said "oh, it'll be the other way up this afternoon"
it bloody feels big when it turns upside down! shock

Baby2b Tue 13-Sep-11 19:51:02

How many weeks are you now Nickel? Glad your app went well smile

nickelbabe Wed 14-Sep-11 13:47:47

I'm 29 weeks now (29+4)

and I've been fully welcomed into the 3rd trimester, because I had the worst indigestion through the night! hmm
I couldn't settle, I thoughti t was cos the bump was too heavy, so I got a pillow under it, but that didn't help at all. So I got up to try to go to the toilet, nope.
then I turned over, then I propped up my pillows, then I got another pillow and tried to sleep sitting up. Nothing worked! I had 2 indi tablets, whic hdidn't work, so I tried a drink, I tried walking round a bit. I thought I was going to vomit at one point! I eventually dropped off, with jsut my normal pillow height, so it must have stopped eventually, but it was agony - like my entire stomach had swollen to the size of Violet Beauregarde and I was going to burst open!

ConfessionsOfAWareFanjo Wed 14-Sep-11 20:46:54

Oh ow Nickel. Get the a huge bottle of gaviscon, lovehearts, try peppermint tea and remeber to whinge all you need to us x

ConfessionsOfAWareFanjo Wed 14-Sep-11 20:47:59

thee, not the

KateeTheBump Wed 14-Sep-11 21:26:46

I swear by the gaviscon, I can't leave the house without some of the tablets, and I have a big industrial strength bottle of the prescription stuff by the bed and slurp at will grin

3 weeks left at work and counting, hurrah! 4.5 weeks till d-day, gulp, getting a bit close now, though I am looking forward to getting my ribs back...

How are things chez the confessions household? smile

Baby2b Thu 15-Sep-11 00:08:13

You can get gaviscon for free from boots minor ailments. Saves going to the docs for a prescription. Can also get infacol if needed when wee one arrives.

I second the love hearts grin

nickelbabe Thu 15-Sep-11 09:46:56

I'll try boots when I remember - I actually ended up getting a stock pack of Rennies from one of my wholesalers - it worked out cheaper than paying assistant to work and the petrol and hassle it would have cost to get to the docs' - free prescription not much use when it costs you more to get the prescription than just buying the meds! But I will try the Boots thing. (good advice)

Until then, I'd been okay with just chewing on one tablet, or swigging some lemonade. that was definitely stepping up!

KateeTheBump Thu 15-Sep-11 10:17:08

Eeek, step away from the lemonade... and avoid things like orange juice too... far too acidic! How are things in the shop at the moment?

Baby2b Thu 15-Sep-11 10:30:15

Yeah, fruit juice killed me. Just had to see greasy food and I would get it bad. I found the eating little and often thing helped. When I was eating I didn't really have it, so just kept munching! grin

nickelbabe Thu 15-Sep-11 10:48:46

acidic foods are good for absorbing calcium in the bones - especially important now Isbn is leaching as much as it can

I do put it down to having a slice of fruit pie and custard at about 1/4 to 10 (DH was at the football, and I'd been shopping for reduced food, the pie cost me 12p!)
In contrast, I had hardly anything to eat yesterday, we had cheese on crumpets for tea (about 7o'clock?), and nothing after that. very odd for us!

nickelbabe Thu 15-Sep-11 10:49:39

Shop's good at the moment.
some customers already, which is good, and got lots of work to do.
must sort out a lesson plan for DH and the junior choir today... (we might have a new member)

KateeTheBump Thu 15-Sep-11 11:19:17

That's as maybe, but the price is killer heartburn! I'm fine with other stuff, like apple/pear juice though, it's just the orange juice that gets me. Will be so nice to wave the dreaded reflux goodbye in a few weeks time grin have had it for the last 3-4 months, not nice.

Glad things have picked up a bit in the shop, that's good news! smile

nickelbabe Thu 15-Sep-11 11:39:09

well, it appears the main thing so far is eating too late at night.
I'm willing to pay the price wink

nickelbabe Thu 15-Sep-11 11:42:58

i've signed up to Gransnet because they're talkign about the churching of women. I've been waiting ages for my confirmation to be emailed to me.... maybe grans don't worry about long waits? confusedgrin

KateeTheBump Fri 16-Sep-11 14:11:18

Genius thread about toddler AIBU today... you must read it grin

nickelbabe Sat 17-Sep-11 14:09:06

I have read some of it!
all the toddlers seem NBU to me grin

nickelbabe Mon 19-Sep-11 16:35:26

we need some new members.

having loads of movements where the bump goes hard and moves.
funny, cos i got an update from bounty about BH cx, and they described them as wheer your bump goes hard for a bit.

i don't think it's that - it's certainly not where I'd expect it to be - cos it's up at the right hand side of my abdomen, right under where my waist used to be.
I'm fairly certain it's just Isbn headbutting me. grin

KateeTheBump Tue 20-Sep-11 09:04:46

That we do!

BH can change over time, I used to get them where the bump just went solid (usually when walking anywhere), now its more of a tightening at the bottom like everything's being drawn in to one spot? I bet yours is Isbn headbutting you though! Pretty sure you'll have had loads of BHs without even noticing wink

I'm feeling sorry for myself today, hips hurt, am coming down with a cold, and to top it all off I ended up with piles this weekend (oh the glamour!) so not feeling a happy bunny.

On the plus side, I think I have bought a new (secondhand) pram this morning and only have 2 weeks left at work, yay!

nickelbabe Tue 20-Sep-11 13:52:55

oh, poor you sad
big hug and brew

KateeTheBump Tue 20-Sep-11 14:24:52

thanks Nickel smile

squiglet has just spent last couple of minutes popping up and down at the top of the bump, looks very odd grin

nickelbabe Tue 20-Sep-11 15:04:05

i seem to get that a lot too! grin

I've been doing a new window display today, and I've managed to exhaust myself.
It's not even finished because DH seems incapable of remembering to get the bunting out of the loft!
(i've only asked him 3 times, on 3 separate occasions)

BamBam21 Wed 21-Sep-11 09:25:23

Hi everyone. How are you all? It must be lovely to be feeling all these really strong movements nickel and katee.smile

I had my scan yesterday. It looks like a boy, and everything is fine. I got really upset, as I had been so sure it was a little girl, and now DP thinks I am a heartless bitch who doesn't want our wee boy.sad It's not true, I will love our son. It's just that (I know this sounds loopy) through all the months and years of TTC, I thought we would have a little girl. She became totally real to me, so that I had a picture in my mind of what she would look like, what her name would be etc. I feel now like I'm mourning the daughter I never had (and probably will never have as we couldn't afford another one). I am grateful that my baby appears healthy, and I actually thought I would never have a second child, so he is a real blessing, but I still feel so shell-shocked about it all, and sad that DP just doesn't seem to understand. Please tell me that somebody here understands.

nickelbabe Wed 21-Sep-11 09:55:26

see, Bam - that's exactly the reason that I didn't want to find out what it was! smile
My sister had exactly the same feelings as you, you know, and once she was over the shock she was fine about it. Because you've built something up in your mind, it's more shock than disappointment.
Give it a few days, and you'll be so excited about having a boy. My sister was, she just needed time to adjust. smile

BamBam21 Wed 21-Sep-11 10:19:43

Thanks nickel. It's good to know that someone else went through the same experience. It really is a shock, but I'm glad to know now, rather than at the birth! I absolutely adore my DS, and I so wanted a little sister for him, but I know that once I am used to the idea of a boy there really won't be any difference.

DP was still quite frosty this morning, and I hope we can get back to normal tonight. He said he was disgusted by my attitude yesterday, and I felt really hurt. All I wanted was a hug and to be able to explain how I felt.

nickelbabe Wed 21-Sep-11 11:15:06

men just don't understand, do they?
It's all hormonal, i'm afraid grin

BamBam21 Wed 21-Sep-11 11:42:25

Nope, he doesn't understand at all. He just got really furious and said he thought I'd be happy either way. I've been trying to tell him (and my mum) for ages now that if the scan showed a boy, I would really need time to deal with it and get used to it, but they obviously either weren't listening or else didn't believe me. My mum says I should just be happy too (says she who had a boy and a girl). I really think DP thinks I'm a total cow at the moment, and that's just not helping me feel better at all. If he doesn't give me his usual lunchtime phone call I'll know he still hasn't forgiven me.

Ruddy hormones!smile

nickelbabe Wed 21-Sep-11 12:29:36

it's unfair that he expects you to be able to adjust to big news like that straight away.
and it's unfair that he doesn't understand that you wanted a girl.
It's alright for him, I'm sure he's really chuffed it's another boy.
I do think you need to explain it to him (write it down if you need to)

Part of me wishes that we'd found out the sex when we had our scan - I'm worried that if it's a boy, finding out on the day will be bad for bonding and for the baby blues. At least you've got time to adjust before he arrives.
You've got to explain to your DHP about the hormones and emotions behind it, or he might continue to see you badly. Men think everything's so black and white - they think "baby, coems out, it is what it is" but we build up pictures of perfect babies,and dressing them, and namingthem, and being best friends with them. I think it's so much mroe of an emotional thing with us.

BamBam21 Wed 21-Sep-11 12:45:08

You're right about the differences between how we think about things to do with the baby nickel. I know that DP was hoping for a girl, but that he was delighted with a boy. I was away ahead of myself, imagining things months and years ahead, and I feel so strange now that the whole world I had imagined is gone.

I know what you mean about wondering "what if" about finding out the sex. I am sure you will love whatever you have (I didn't find out with DS, and I was delighted) and in some ways I think if I had just kept an open mind and waited I would have felt the same way again. Because I really had my heart set on a girl though, I'm glad I found out so that I can adjust.

Are you really set on a girl? Does your DP have a preference?

nickelbabe Wed 21-Sep-11 12:55:38

I'm trying not to be set on a girl! grin
my little sister has 3 boys, my big sister now has one of each, and I want a girl!
I'm sure i'll be happy with whatever comes out, but like you, i have done the imagining the future thing.
DH really doesn't mind, but he has said a little girl would be lovely. But then, he's also said that a little boy will be good!

BamBam21 Wed 21-Sep-11 13:08:38

From my experience with DS, I think that labour is so intense that you really are just happy to come through to the other side with a warm wee bundle to cuddle, rather than really being that bothered about the sex. It's so hard not to have a preference though, but I think if you haven't found out the sex, then it's just a lovely surprise, provided you haven't got too much of a preference!grin

I am starting to feel a bit better about things now. DP tried to call, but my mum was on the phone, so he just sent a text instead. Damn! I really need one of those caller display phones for times like this!grin

nickelbabe Wed 21-Sep-11 13:50:05

grin I hope that's the case - one of the reasons why I thought it would be good to wait - the hormones would overshadow any feeling of sex preference. grin
Glad he's not still pissed off at you. smile

BamBam21 Wed 21-Sep-11 14:19:25

Well I hope he's not still pissed off nickel! I've made a big pot of soup and am trying to think positively, so hopefully we will be fine tonight. I just wish my mum hadn't phoned and I could have talked to him. The baby feels like a thorny subject just now, and it shouldn't and can't be that way, so hopefully we can talk later. It's annoying that DS doesn't go to bed until 8-8.30 so it's hard to talk before then, and then we're both knackered!

Those hormones will kick in for both of us when we have our little bundles, I'm sure, and we'll both be smiley mummies!grin

Nearly time to go and collect DS from school. It's awful weather here today. He also has loads of homework to get through for Friday. I'm sure we never got that much homework in P3!shock

KateeTheBump Thu 22-Sep-11 11:50:47

How were things Bam? I had sort of the opposite problem in a way, in that I desperately wanted to find out as I thought I would freak if it was a boy (had my heart set on a girl as I felt like I wouldn't know what to do with a boy!) - DP didn't really want to know. We found out at the 20 week scan and actually it was a boy (though not telling RL friends/family) and I was fine with it. I think because I had talked it all through first, and I even had a dream the night before that it was a boy, it didn't seem like such a surprise iyswim?

I'm sure your DP will mellow soon, and realise what you're on about - we pregnant people are not the most rational at the best of times anyhow! wink

MW appointment this morning - BP up a bit so going back next week to have it checked. Baby 1/5 engaged, so heading in the right direction, yay! grin

nickelbabe Thu 22-Sep-11 13:22:25

oh god, that's not good!
both of you wanted girls and have ended up with boys - i'd better steel myself for a boy! grin

nickelbabe Thu 22-Sep-11 13:27:11

and ooooh! for your engagement! grin
(sorry, i missed it cos I got a customer shock)

nickelbabe Thu 22-Sep-11 13:37:48
BamBam21 Thu 22-Sep-11 13:41:42

Hi everyone!

Brilliant news on your engagement katee! Hopefully you will be able to breath easier now, although doesn't it make you need to pee more again?smile

Yay for customers nickel! Did you manage to get your window display finished?

Thanks to nickel's lovely words of wisdom yesterday, and my own mummy hormones kicking in, I am feeling fine about having a boy today, and have been thinking back to DS as a baby and getting quite excited!smile Also, I was out with my mum this morning, and had a good chat with her, and I think she could understand why I felt a bit sad at first. She bought a lovely wee blue cuddle toy for baby, which I will give to DS to give him.smile I really feel positive now and keep looking at wee boy stuff on t'internet, so I have definitely got over myself!!grin

KateeTheBump Thu 22-Sep-11 14:19:06

I don't think its down enough to make too much of a difference yet (still 4/5ths above the brim) but I think and I may be speaking too soon... the heartburn hasn't been so bad for a few days. YY to the extra peeing, I ended up going three times in the first half an hour of going to bed last night! Only getting up once in the night though, so not too bad smile

Glad you're head is in a better place today Bam - and good news you had a customer Nickel grin

Right, better get some work done, only 8 working days till I finish now and lots to do!

nickelbabe Thu 22-Sep-11 14:19:29

I did, but I can't take a picture of it! Yesterday it was raining, and today, the sun is so bright that the camera underexposes the shot!

see, knew it would all be fine smile

KateeTheBump Thu 22-Sep-11 14:22:13

Your head, not you're head. Bloody baby brain! grin

nickelbabe Thu 22-Sep-11 14:23:04


I left my scissors on a bookshelf earlier.
thank fully, it was in local books, and even more thankfully, noone had been in that section inbetween...

BamBam21 Thu 22-Sep-11 14:40:29

grin Glad you didn't leave the scissors in the crime section nickel!

I think it's my DP who has the baby brain in this house. Last night he went to mash the potatoes with the cheese grater!grin

Glad you're getting more sleep katee. I'm still up at least once every night, but I think it's because I feel thirsty a lot, and drink gallons of water. I never used to drink water. Ever.smile

nickelbabe Thu 22-Sep-11 14:46:37


yes, i drink loads of water now - apparently it's to help make the extra blood we need.
(although I was warned by my friend with GD that it might be a sign of it...)

BamBam21 Thu 22-Sep-11 14:56:14

I was a bit worried about GD too nickel but I feel fine otherwise, so I think it is just the blood thing. Annoying at 2am though!grin

Right, off to collect DS from school. At least it isn't raining today.

nickelbabe Thu 22-Sep-11 15:11:14

yep, 2 and 4 and 6.....
oh, and midnight!

KateeTheBump Fri 23-Sep-11 08:22:14

I've felt thirsty all through this pregnancy, so have made a big effort to drink lots and lots (will have to remember to keep up the good habits while bfing!) - I get those big packs of 2l bottles of still water and take one to work with me, I usually get through at least half of one a day, sometimes more, then lots of pints of hi-juice squash at home with the odd cuppa. One thing I've found helps is to have a drink of water when I get up in the night for a pee, then I don't feel so dehydrated in the morning. That night time pee is the only time I get to do a proper full pee, I guess because I don't have baby pushing on it in the night!

You probably don't need to worry about GD, the MW will be checking for sugar in your urine anyway, and don't forget its not just the extra blood, but the amniotic fluid is being constantly created and flushed through your kidneys as well, that's a lot of extra work for them to do!

nickelbabe Fri 23-Sep-11 12:09:19

oh, yes, the kidneys are doing loads of extra work.

I go through at least one glass every night (sip whenever I wake up, or go to the toilet), the normal drinking that you do with meals, at least 3 glasses during the day at work (i have 3 glasses on my desk and refill them as necessary), and then a couple of glasses in the evening.

KateeTheBump Fri 23-Sep-11 12:15:19

Have you got your pram sorted out yet nickel? I just got mine last night and very pleased with it, need a baby to go in it now tho grin I got a second hand oyster cos it can be used with our car seat and its lovely and easy to use, hooray! DP likes it too, phew! He didn't want me to get a 'new'(er) one but I refused to use the ancient one we were given and I'm really pleased I held out for it. I think the old one would have been a pita by comparison too, so hoping DP will see the benefits wink

nickelbabe Fri 23-Sep-11 12:23:44

yes, it's being sent by courier from my sister grin

that's something I'm glad I don't have to pay for.

We haven't even investigated car seats, so you're definitely more sorted than me (as you should be!)
But we do have a carrier thing - you know that you hang over your shoulders.

KateeTheBump Fri 23-Sep-11 13:39:11

Speaking of couriers, the birth pool is supposed to be being delivered today, fed up of waiting for it already! Do you know what I mean? It induces some kind of restlessness... I mean I wasn't really planning on going anywhere today, but now I really want to...!

Maxicosi cabriofix gets good reviews/safety testing, will let you know how we get on with it if you like?

BamBam21 Fri 23-Sep-11 14:24:24

Hi all! Oooh katee that's exciting about your birth pool. I am thinking about that, but probably just use the one at the hospital. I found with DS that lying in the bath for hours, with the canister of G&A beside me, worked wonders! After that, I was lying on a bed to actually give birth, but I really think the water is so soothing.

Neither DP nor I drive, so we will have to rope somebody in to bring us home from hospital. We have a car seat, but it's all Greek to me! I remember that DS had a Britax seat though, which was very good and sturdy.

Hope you have plenty of customers today nickel!smile

nickelbabe Fri 23-Sep-11 14:41:49

oohh! Katee you'll feel all official when that comes!

i'm pretty sure I'm not going to have one. I have spent a lot of time thinking about it, and I think the cost is the biggest offput, plus the fact that I don't like getting wet unless it's for a good reason grin
I'll stick with a bath if I need one, and just stay on dry land.

nickelbabe Fri 23-Sep-11 14:42:31

i'm sure you'll get home okay grin

thanks for the wishes - I've not had many, but much better than Wednesday!

Baby2b Fri 23-Sep-11 18:06:10

Katee, I have cabrio with isofix base and think it is fab. Best money we spent! smile

Baby2b Fri 23-Sep-11 18:08:04

P.s. I have an oyster too and don't regret the purchase. It is so small and easy to push/collapse etc

nickelbabe Sat 24-Sep-11 10:27:47

DH was being grumpy this morning - we're gong out tonight to the Organists' annual dinner. The carnival is on today in town, but the procession won't come through here until ¼ to 6 (i normally shut at 5:30). I'm tempted to stay open till 6, although in reality I probably won't get any customers.
but he's grouching because the start time is "7 for 7:30", and he seems to be worried that we won't get fed if we're late...
Not entirely sure what time late is.
I did make the suggestio nthat he bring my outfit to the shop and I'd change here and we can go straight off, but then I realised that there's a chance I won't like the way my dress looks on me (oh! the joys of being a fat heifer - I used to just be able to throw clothes on and go sad ) and that i'd be stuck with it if he comes to the shop.
I told him they have to accept well get there when we get there, but he's panicking because it's 35 miles away shock
(andit's supposed to be me that has random unfathomable grumps!)

nickelbabe Sat 24-Sep-11 16:13:59

oh dear oh dear oh dear.

I must stop looking for maternity dresses.
just found this on John Lewis and I love it.
it's £85.
(in contrast I just bought one from ebay at £5.37 inc p+p - that's my price range)

nickelbabe Sat 24-Sep-11 16:27:23

just doing a bit of shopping planning - I'll remember to look on here when I'm looking for clothes....
(i'd never find the links again if I don't!)

feeding dress 1

KateeTheBump Sat 24-Sep-11 22:39:35

Hope you had a nice evening nickel!

Glad you got on well with the oyster b2b, can't wait to give it a proper test drive grin how long do you think the pushchair will still be the right size? Something I forgot to check, oops!

nickelbabe Mon 26-Sep-11 15:50:50

yes, thank you it was lovely. [gri]
All the couples were put on the same tables, but split up, so I had to sit between two elderly gentlemen. Conversation wasn't easy, but we muddled through!

the main problem was it was an hour's drive away, and on the way back we were forced to give a lift to fellow member, and the satnav took us a weird long way round (convinced it was wrong!), and by the time we were half an hour into the drive, my back was killing me! The only way to resolve the issue is to take my bra off, which of course, I couldn't do because of this man! In the end I undid the clasp so that it was hanging off.

BamBam21 Tue 27-Sep-11 10:16:58

Glad you had a nice time on Saturday nickel! It was a shame about your backache, but no, you really couldn't whip your bra off in front of a strange man!grin Did you manage to stay open later and hook some customers?

I am trying to be a domestic goddess at the moment, but failing miserably! I know all the things I have to do, but somehow I can't seem to get myself moving, and the flat is a tip. I think I will change the beds and clean the bathroom for starters, and then see how it goes from there!smile

nickelbabe Tue 27-Sep-11 10:48:47

Unfortunately, because the venue was so far away, I couldn't stay late (and DH was panicking we'd end up walking in during the main course! As it was we were standing around chatting for a good 3/4 of an hour before we went in to eat... hmm )

Can't you get your DP to do the housework? that's what I do wink
I can just about manage to wipe the bathroom basin and throw bleach down the bog.

BamBam21 Tue 27-Sep-11 10:58:37

That's a shame nickel, but maybe a carnival time isn't the best time to get people coming in to shop. Will you be doing a lovely, sparkly Christmas display soon?

DP is a great help in the house, but as he is working all day and I am
sitting on my arse at home, I feel it's only right to do what I can. The flat is so small though, and we are in such a guddle, that it's really quite overwhelming knowing where to start!blush We really need to find a bigger house.

nickelbabe Tue 27-Sep-11 11:30:47

no, they tend just to stand around waiting for the floats. (it's normally in July, but was post-poned because of problems with the road closures etc)

I will be doing a sparkly christmas dispaly soon.
I've just put an autumn dispaly in, which is very pretty (IMO)

nickelbabe Tue 27-Sep-11 11:55:21

sorry, i had customers!

BamBam21 Tue 27-Sep-11 13:19:14

Yay, more customers! Your Autumn display must be working its magic!smile

I'm just back from Tesco. I decided the loo could wait, but me having a baked potato with cheese for tea later just couldn't wait another day!grin Also got a lovely Southern Fried Chicken wrap, which I'm going to demolish now!grin

I really love Christmas displays, and the little sparkly kids books that come out for Christmas too. I got a beautiful glittery one for DS about 3 yrs ago (can't remember the title blush, but it's about a wee mouse who's gathering mistletoe, and gets afraid of it's own shadow, then gets home and safe to the big mouse) and it has become a tradition for us to read it on Christmas Eve. Makes me warm just thinking about it! smile

nickelbabe Tue 27-Sep-11 14:03:18

oh no, now I need jacket potato with cheese.

That's really funny you can't remember the title of a book you read every year! grin
I can't wait to start those traditions. smile

I'll be putting the Christmas window in on the 1st November (or whenever the POS arrives....) I want to have coloured fairy lights in the window this year, and I might force DH to sort that socket out for me that he said he'd do (ages ago)

I always planned to have a fireplace in the window, with stacks of "pressies" around it. Not sure there's enough space in there. We'll see what the POS looks like first...

BamBam21 Tue 27-Sep-11 14:28:15

Ooh, that sounds really lovely and cosy! Lots of fake snow on the windows, and a cosy fireplace inside - lovely!smile

It's annoying that I can't remember the title of that book! I had a look for it, but DS has it somewhere in his bombsite of a room. I think it's called something like "The Very Snowy Christmas" (actually, I just went and Googled it to check, and that is what it's called!) and it's lovely. We also watch The Snowman and Father Christmas, and curl up with hot blackcurrant drinks before bed.smile It's funny as I don't remember any real traditions when I was little, but it feels so special for us now.smile

MightilyOats Tue 27-Sep-11 15:05:49

Hello! Tis me, Katee, have decided in the spirit of mixing things up a bit to namechange for a while... grin

Plans for the window sound good... what does POS mean though? confused

Looking forward to this Christmas, is going to be fun!

nickelbabe Tue 27-Sep-11 15:27:13

ooh, strange name...
what's it about? smile
(you should put a status on it to say who you're normally)

POS means "point of sale" - it's usually used to mean the posters and flyers and props that you use for displays.

BamBam21 Tue 27-Sep-11 16:32:17

I wasn't sure what POS meant either, but I guessed it was something like that!grin

It's funny that this Christmas will be our last as a little threesome before Bean makes an appearance. My DS was a December baby though, and it was just lovely having him home for his first Christmas. Really special.smile Bean isn't due until 7 February.

Hey-ho, time to wash up and then get DS organised for homework.confused

nickelbabe Tue 27-Sep-11 16:44:46

sorry, jargon blush

we're finding it strange that this christmas we'll have another family member.
we were on the settee last night, one cat on DH's lap, one on mine, and DH went "aww, our little family" and I thought, yes, but it's about to get bigger!
we did feel all cosy when I said that. grin

MightilyOats Wed 28-Sep-11 08:42:32

Its a character from Terry Pratchett's discworld books, he's an priest who always seems in two minds about everything, felt an empathy there wink

How do you do the status thing, I couldn't figure it out?!

nickelbabe Wed 28-Sep-11 10:28:29

you go to your profile page, and there's a box marked "status" or "description" or something like that.
you jsut type it in the box.
it means having to make your profile public, but you don't have to put anything else in.

nickelbabe Wed 28-Sep-11 10:32:26

it's not on your profile page, it's on your registration details.
which means you don't have to make your profile public.

MightilyOats Wed 28-Sep-11 10:49:02

Sorted - is that better? wink

nickelbabe Wed 28-Sep-11 10:52:45

lovely grin

nickelbabe Thu 29-Sep-11 13:09:54

worrying about my friend today.
she was passing blood clots in the night, and appears to be miscarrying.
at the moment she's not actively bleeding, but she says she thinks it's all out and that's why.
I am so sad for her.
I wish I could go to her and help sad

MightilyOats Thu 29-Sep-11 13:39:51

Oh dear sad how far along is she and has she managed to get a scan booked?


nickelbabe Thu 29-Sep-11 13:52:25

she was about7 weeks, so very early.
they've booked her for a scan tomorrow afternoon, because they didn't have any spaces till then sad
and annoyingly, the place she has to go for the scan is the same place as women having abortions. she's totally cut up.

BamBam21 Thu 29-Sep-11 15:30:04

So sorry about your friend nickel. That's so sad. sad

nickelbabe Thu 29-Sep-11 16:03:07

i know.
and all the time she was talking to me on the phone, she kept asking me how I was, how I was coping with the heat etc.
and apologising for being sad! sad
I just want to hug her.

MightilyOats Fri 30-Sep-11 12:41:21

Fingers crossed for your friend this afternoon Nickel, I hope its not too traumatic xx

nickelbabe Fri 30-Sep-11 13:11:17

I do too.
She's just texted to say she's got 2 hours left to wait.

nickelbabe Fri 30-Sep-11 15:07:51

grinjust got a text from friend to say that they've foudn a heartbeat and a sac, so it's alive!

I'm so happy, but I'm sad that she had to go through an awful 2 days.

nickelbabe Fri 30-Sep-11 15:44:38

she's sent another one - apparently it was wriggling all over the place "it's going to be grounded as soon as it comes out" grin

MightilyOats Fri 30-Sep-11 20:27:56

Glad there was a happy ending smile

cowboylover Fri 30-Sep-11 23:10:13

Good news Nickel, I used to love doing the Christmas window

Great new name, I love that character! I'm usually a procrastinator but my new thing is being decisive so offering on a house next week after we have been talking about moving for 2 years and 1st sitting of my new tattoo is booked for this Thursday smile

7th is a great day as my birthday eve

nickelbabe Sat 01-Oct-11 10:35:22

well done on not procrastination (but don't be too decisive, you don't want to make decisions you regret!)

I told friend that the rest of her pregnancy had better be straight-forward and boring! grin

BamBam21 Sat 01-Oct-11 11:11:22

Fabby news about your friend nickel!smile That must have been so traumatic though. I hope it all goes smoothly for her now!

DP has taken DS out for a while today, so I'm still in my dressing gown and feeling a bit stuffed with croissants! My bump appears to have shrunk today though, so I'm hoping he'll pop back out again soon.

Hope everyone is having a good weekend.smile

nickelbabe Sat 01-Oct-11 13:14:54

I knwo, I just can't imagine what she went through sad

I like the sounds of lazy day grin
I sooo wanted one of those when I got up this morning. I have been reconciled by the fact that it's been a avery busy day - quite a few high value purchase grin

MightilyOats Wed 05-Oct-11 15:49:16

How are you both doing? I'm now officially off work until next September, bit teary yesterday, partly as I'll be coming back to a new boss and my old one was lovely, but soooooo glad not to have sit in that boiling office any longer! Today has so far consisted of reflexology and baking grin

nickelbabe Wed 05-Oct-11 16:27:04

lucky you!
I'm feeling the strain.
this week, I've felt sick every day - not nauseous, but sick. confused
(possibly due to the heat)

Saturday didn't turn out to be as lucrative as i thought... by the end of the day, i think it was only a couple of quid higher than my post! shock

still, Isbn is still upside down, and I've been trying to invert it, but don't think having much luck.
every now and then it feels less top heavy, then it turns over again hmm

MightilyOats Wed 05-Oct-11 22:14:20

When you say upside down, do you mean breech? Cos s/he will need to be upside down in the sense of head down eventually wink I can sympathise with the heat situation, you try being 38 weeks and this hot and carrying an extra stone and a half around, swollen ankles ahoy! Hopefully not long to go now, I've pretty much had enough of this being pregnant lark now...

Appreciate that you won't get much of a break, most people thought I was pushing it working to 38+2! Glad I did though, didn't want to have a lot of thumb twiddling time/symptom spotting opportunity (keep knicker checking for show as it is already!)

Hope things pick up a bit for you soon.

MightilyOats Wed 05-Oct-11 22:14:22

When you say upside down, do you mean breech? Cos s/he will need to be upside down in the sense of head down eventually wink I can sympathise with the heat situation, you try being 38 weeks and this hot and carrying an extra stone and a half around, swollen ankles ahoy! Hopefully not long to go now, I've pretty much had enough of this being pregnant lark now...

Appreciate that you won't get much of a break, most people thought I was pushing it working to 38+2! Glad I did though, didn't want to have a lot of thumb twiddling time/symptom spotting opportunity (keep knicker checking for show as it is already!)

Hope things pick up a bit for you soon.

nickelbabe Thu 06-Oct-11 12:02:25

oooh double-post! grin

yes, I mean breech, because that's the wrong way round for what we want! grin
The woman doing the antenatal class also said I should stop worrying about it, because it should turn around by 35 weeks.
But that's only 3 weeks away, and it's been favouring head-up all the way through so far!

I'm glad I'm not as far on as you - about half the antenatal class are 37-38 weeks, and they're all pretty fed up too. sad

BamBam21 Fri 07-Oct-11 12:34:55

Hi everyone!

Aaarrgh! DS has been off school all week with a bit of an earache, not bad enough for him to be actually properly poorly though, and I am going slightly mad with being cooped up with him! Thankfully my mum has taken him this afternoon, so I can get ready for my 22 wk appointment in peace.smile Mind you, today was the last day of term, so he will be bouncing around here for the next 2 wks as well!shock

Congrats on being on leave now mightily.smile Hope you have lots of opportunity to relax and rest up.

Hope Isbn gets turned around nickel. I am worried about that too, although at 22 wks I'm a bit early! Apparently Beanie Bam is lying bum-down, with legs and feet up beside his ears!grin I hadn't actually realised that you were quite so far further along than me! It didn't seem that long between our BFPs. We definitely need some more grads.....

nickelbabe Fri 07-Oct-11 12:53:06

It's just you me and Katee at the moment, I think!

maybe we need to go back to the JS thread and tell them where we are

It's amazing how quickly the tiem goes.
I'm still amazed every day at how my body is changing, and how this thing inside me is growing and moving!

It's rather breathtaking, really.

BamBam21 Fri 07-Oct-11 13:13:05

It is all amazing, isn't it! I haven't felt a lot of movement so far (although some at night time) but the scan showed I was anterior, so I suppose it's just all a bit muffled and cushioned. The time is just flying in though.shock

Can't wait for the weekend to come, and to spend some time with DP, but I feel a nasty cold sneaking up on me.sad Any good plans for the weekend?

nickelbabe Fri 07-Oct-11 14:01:49

ah, yes, anterior. that'll do it. smile
I was just bubbly for ages.
can't even remember what it was like now, it seems so long ago! shock
(that's why I'm grateful for these threads - it keeps hold of my memories!)

hope it doesn't turn into a cold - lots of hot drinks (herbal tea, or hot juice), and wrap up warm.
DH is back tomorrow afternoon, and we have a Quiz night for WI in the evening.
then it's church and evensong on Sunday (no rest for the wicked or recently redeemed!)

MightilyOats Fri 07-Oct-11 14:05:14

I had a feeling the other day that Sunday might be The Day, but who knows grin

Glad your scan went well Bam, fingers crossed beanie doesn't develop a liking for having his ankles by his ears!

Had coffee with some of my nct group yesterday, so got to cuddle a couple of teeny babies grin still can't quite connect what's in my tum with what will come out, if that makes sense, but really looking forward to the whole experience!

MightilyOats Fri 07-Oct-11 14:05:16

I had a feeling the other day that Sunday might be The Day, but who knows grin

Glad your scan went well Bam, fingers crossed beanie doesn't develop a liking for having his ankles by his ears!

Had coffee with some of my nct group yesterday, so got to cuddle a couple of teeny babies grin still can't quite connect what's in my tum with what will come out, if that makes sense, but really looking forward to the whole experience!

nickelbabe Fri 07-Oct-11 14:05:56

ooh. Is that on target?
i thought you still had another week to go?


MightilyOats Fri 07-Oct-11 14:07:25

Gah why the double posting, I only pressed the button once! Darned mobile technology <sulk> sorry folks! smile

MightilyOats Fri 07-Oct-11 14:07:26

Gah why the double posting, I only pressed the button once! Darned mobile technology <sulk> sorry folks! smile

MightilyOats Fri 07-Oct-11 14:09:11

Yes a week early, but have had lots of niggles (though nothing much for a day or two, so I don't know now!)

MightilyOats Fri 07-Oct-11 14:09:14

Yes a week early, but have had lots of niggles (though nothing much for a day or two, so I don't know now!)

nickelbabe Fri 07-Oct-11 15:08:23

freaky double posting shock

it's most likely BH - stop symptom spotting! are you forgetting all the undergrad rules? shock

ConfessionsOfAWareFanjo Fri 07-Oct-11 21:22:54

Oh! Good luck with the niggles MO. Keep us all informed of any imminent baby signs. Been thinking we're about due for another.

nickelbabe Sat 08-Oct-11 09:40:09

i have to tell you lot too

the above is a pressie that DH brought me back from norfolk.
he promises he's not trying to bump me off... grin

BamBam21 Sat 08-Oct-11 10:41:45

shock nickel! Did he realise it's a grave marker??!shockgrin

Good luck with the symptoms mightily! I remember only too well how uncomfy and annoying the last wee while is, so I hope Little Oats makes an appearance soon.smile

Had my 22 wk appointment yesterday. Everything was good, and I heard the lovely strong heartbeat. I've not to go back again for 6 WEEKS though. So different from last time around, there seems to be so few checks, but I suppose if I needed more I would get them. DP has gone for a haircut with DS, so I am having a quiet coffee. Bliss.smile

nickelbabe Sat 08-Oct-11 10:50:01

no, he didn't have a clue grin
he just thought it was a lovely thing to put in a plant pot grin

nickelbabe Sat 08-Oct-11 10:50:34

(and cos it was a book, you see)

BamBam21 Sat 08-Oct-11 11:02:38

grin That's brilliant! grin

Was he all sheepish when he realised?

It was a lovely thought! Hope you have a nice gladioli to pop it in!grin

nickelbabe Sat 08-Oct-11 11:05:20

he was a bit.
then he defended himself by saying he'd warned me he was no good at presents and always got it wrong! grin

ah, it's one of the reasons I love the lump so much grin

BamBam21 Sat 08-Oct-11 11:15:19

It's really very sweet!smile

My DP usually opts for the safe, and very welcome, chocolate option. I can't get enough of those little round Lindor sweeties.<drools> DS is funny when he gets me a present though. It's nearly always some massive, brightly coloured piece of jewellery, which I then have to wear to keep him happy! He really wants a "prettier" mummy, and is always nagging me to wear skirts and stuff, and to put my hair in bunches(!) but it's just not me!grin He came home yesterday chuffed to bits because he had got me a couple of Hare Krishna books from a bloke on the High Street!grin

nickelbabe Sat 08-Oct-11 11:18:41


MightilyOats Sat 08-Oct-11 13:57:47

Ha ha at the grave marker nickel, still I quite like unusual presents grin

Having a lie down now, didn't sleep much last night as little oats doing riverdance (on his head), had a couple of shows and bump dropped, all over night! Today I've had fairly painful BHs when walking around so hoping it will all kick off soon!

Glad your appt was good bam, always great to hear the heartbeat smile

MightilyOats Sat 08-Oct-11 13:57:49

Ha ha at the grave marker nickel, still I quite like unusual presents grin

Having a lie down now, didn't sleep much last night as little oats doing riverdance (on his head), had a couple of shows and bump dropped, all over night! Today I've had fairly painful BHs when walking around so hoping it will all kick off soon!

Glad your appt was good bam, always great to hear the heartbeat smile

nickelbabe Sat 08-Oct-11 14:01:48

BH proves nothing and you know that! grin

MightilyOats Sat 08-Oct-11 17:10:25

I did lose my mucus plug... does that prove anything? grin

nickelbabe Tue 11-Oct-11 10:15:49

no, that doesn't either!
the lady at the antenatal class said you can lose your mucus plug 4 weeks before you go into labour!

Had midwife this morning - we were both late, so I didn't let on that I was (she's been away, and she was being forced to be filled in with stuff upstairs, so came down at 9:15. I thought my appointment was 9:10, so I got there just after 9... It was supposed to be 8:45 blush
anyway, everything's fine. My last blood test showed iron of 10.9 (which I don't know if that's 10.9 total, or 10.9 = 109 in the same terms as blood donation (where the minimum is 125). I just can't see it being a whole order of magnitude lower! )
Isbn is the correct way up! thank god! How much I have worried.
she also said that it's more likely to have been the bum I could feel (but I'm still convinced it was the head) at the top. Then she confirmed that she's not supposed to say what direction it is until 36 weeks. (i suppose that's becuase it can move so much) I told her I'd make her tell me anyway, so it's fine grin
I also weighed myself, and I am now a hefty 73kg (no wonder I feel so lumpy and uncomfortable!)(11st 7lb in real money) shock

nickelbabe Tue 11-Oct-11 10:18:34

(that's 5 and a half lbs since last time, 4 weeks ago.)
oh, fundal height is 34, which is a little bit bigger than before too (it was 29 at 29+2 weeks, and i'm 33+2 now, so in theory it should be 33, but it's 34. That's probably why the weight has increased more than 1lb a week)

MightilyOats Tue 11-Oct-11 16:37:43

Its not going to be 4 weeks, cos that would be a very long gestation! Hoping LO will make an appearance in the next few days - got as far as the MW coming out yesterday evening as I'd been having full on contractions every 5 mins for a few hours, but then all stopped again hmm latent labour is soooo frustrating! MW confirmed cervix in right place (i.e. in the middle, not rammed at the back) and just starting to open. Head 3/5 engaged too. So I don't deserve a kipper thank you very much wink Just wish he would arrive now! Just a warning, if mw has small hands and wants to do a internal examination, run for the hills. It HURTS.

11st 7 is light by my book! (I'm 14st 11) though I suppose it depends on what you were in the first place... I've put on 1 st 7lb which I'm pretty pleased with overall. Still feel lumpy and uncomfortable though grin

nickelbabe Tue 11-Oct-11 17:27:38

no, obviously yours won't be 4 weeks! Mine could be, though....

exciting stages though! opening cervix, all engaged and everything! grin
don't forget to do your Live Birth thread.

(i feel umpy and comfortable now, and I've got ages to go. Didn't think I'd be moaning about it this early, but last night I was walking round the house moaning like fuck about how uncomfortable I am, and how i can't sit in one position for more than 10 minutes without it hurting me! etc etc
and i've still got SEVEN weeks to go (NINE if the plan to be late due to shop cover is anything to go by!!)

MightilyOats Thu 13-Oct-11 14:54:18

Well I'm sat here on labour ward holding my beautiful baby boy, born at 6.30 this morning after epic non-stop 34.5 hour labour grin home birth went out the window as my blood pressure had gone up, though after 19 hrs with only tens an epidural seemed very appealing... Finally got it 6 hrs later wink

Will tell birth story later when I've slept!!

MightilyOats Thu 13-Oct-11 14:54:19

Well I'm sat here on labour ward holding my beautiful baby boy, born at 6.30 this morning after epic non-stop 34.5 hour labour grin home birth went out the window as my blood pressure had gone up, though after 19 hrs with only tens an epidural seemed very appealing... Finally got it 6 hrs later wink

Will tell birth story later when I've slept!!

nickelbabe Thu 13-Oct-11 15:07:05

yeay! Congratulations grin

34.5 hours????
ow ow ow ow ow ow!
I'm not surprised your blood pressure went up.
can't wait to hear your story smile

rest now, though ,rest! smile

BamBam21 Thu 13-Oct-11 16:32:01

Huge congratulations mightily! Maybe you should change your user name now to mightilyknackered!grin

Hope you get a good rest now and lots of lovely cuddly time with baby.smile

CuriosityCola Thu 13-Oct-11 18:27:53

Congratulations mightily smile. Definitely sleep as much as you can. X

nickelbabe Sat 15-Oct-11 11:01:19

It's gone dead quiet on here now.

MightilyOats Sat 15-Oct-11 21:27:02

Sorry to have abandoned you Nickel! Life's a little busy at the moment, as you might imagine! Birth story over on the grad thread if you want a read, its a bit of a long one though, I'll warn you... and that's the edited version! Soon be time for you to graduate though?

How are things with you Bam?

cowboylover Sat 15-Oct-11 23:15:37

nickel; it will go fast believe me! DD is 5 months today and I cant believe how quick it's gone.

I know it's different for everyone but I found the last few weeks of being pregnant ALOT harder than life with a newborn so just keep thinking it gets better smile

nickelbabe Mon 17-Oct-11 15:45:51

I'll nip over to read the birth story, then (althought you should have put it on here [tongue])

It's very weird only being 6 weeks from the end (potentially)
I'm only just getting used to being pregnant! (and there's still soooo much I haven't got the hang of yet!)

CuriosityCola Wed 19-Oct-11 09:12:06

I felt the same Cowboy. My heartburn vanished and any sleep was real sleep. The weeks will fly by Nickel...very exciting!grin

nickelbabe Wed 19-Oct-11 10:49:08

I'm glad you popped in - I feel like I'm on my own over here!


I had something really important to say yesterday, but cos there's hardly anyone here, by the time I found the thread in "thread I'm on" I couldn't remember what I wanted to say! blush

I want the weeks to fly by, but I don't, iyswim. I'm only just getting used to it (apart from the latest symptom of extremely sore skin around the bump! I can't possibly get any bigger than this : i don't have the skin to cope with it!)

Bloody Mothercare (against whom I am now joining the millions of MNers who say they're CRAP) - their big-bump maternirty knickers come in a 8-10 or a 12-14. You're supposed to go with the size you had before pg, but I always get 10-12 knickers! soooo annoying angry
so I stood in the shop yesterday for ages trying to decide which to get - if shops do knickers in single sizes, I go for a 10, so I plumped for the 8-10. I complained to the lady on the counter who basically ignored me.
So, now I'm wearing the first pair in the pack, they DO NOT FIT!
they've got a good wide gusset, which is lovely, but the back is too small, so they're riding up my cheeks (which is the most annoying triat of a pari of knickers!), and the bump is not quite right, either, so the elastic is digging in at the top, and it's too baggy at the bottom of the bump, so i feel like they're falling down around my crotch anyway.
Guarantee if I'd bought the 12-14, they would have been ginormous and uncomfortable and slipping and riding too.
How hard can it be to make a 10-12?? it's ONE GRADE! I could do that and it's 9 years since I graded a fucking pattern!

<rant over>

CuriosityCola Wed 19-Oct-11 21:38:54

grin good rant! I'm agreed, mothercare is rubbish. I just bought really ugly m&s pants in a 14. Normally a 10/12.

Feel for you regarding the sore bump. Mine felt like it was going to explode at the end and went really itchy. Get lots of lotion on it.

You are always welcome to come post on just Mumming. Normally I am just trying to gain knowledge from frak and coaf grin

Bambam, hope you are ok?

MightilyOats Thu 20-Oct-11 01:07:45

Just waving hello from hazy sleep deprivation... actually should be sleeping now as DS is. Hopefully emerging soon from tongue-tie breastfeeding hell... just discovered the joy of nipple shields... first pain-free feed in 6 days, lovely smile

Go for Sainsbury's parachute knickers full briefs in a size too big Nickel, they're enormous, but comfy grin

CuriosityCola Thu 20-Oct-11 03:04:28

Glad the feeding is getting better for you. I was lucky to not get sore. Though I wore so much lanolin that ds looked like he has lip gloss on for first two weeks grin

You have to love a good pair of parachute knickers. Matching slinky underwear seems a lifetime ago. grin

CuriosityCola Thu 20-Oct-11 03:05:15

Excuse spelling. Have mole eyes at the moment. smile

nickelbabe Thu 20-Oct-11 09:40:43

Mightily - the reason I went for the maternity ones was because I'd got a set of the sainsbury's parachutes in a 14, and I was annoyed by how narrow the gusset is (hairs sticking out in a beautiful pant moustache hmmgrin )
That's my lesson learned.

I'm thinking of opening a maternity clothes shop in town, because we are inundated with pregnant women round here, and internet shopping is a hassle.
(thought about doing a "swap shop" as apart of the offer too)

nickelbabe Thu 20-Oct-11 09:43:28

I daren't come to just mumming yet - I'm only getting used to being a huge lump!

are yo ugetting it snipped, katee?

<writes lanolin on the checklist>

I've put an order in for the stretch mark cream from Avon (catalogue came last night), but at the moment I'm getting through the moisturiser sample sachets that have been building up over the years.

MightilyOats Thu 20-Oct-11 12:50:39

Lansinoh is what you need, its expensive, but worth its weight in gold!

Seeing consultant on Monday, so hopefully he will agree to snip - mw seems to think it should work.

Maternity clothes are a nightmare! Useful if you can get some thAt double up as breastfeeding tops for after too

nickelbabe Thu 20-Oct-11 14:16:42

I know you use that for cracked nipples, don't you?

I was saddened when we went to an antenatal class, and there were two "guest couples", talking to us about their experience. and one of the ladies was saying that she couldn't breastfeed even though she wanted to, and was forced to formula feed because the baby had a tongue tie (and his was severe as well, so it would have been picked up and snipped straight away if she'd known what to ask!)
I was shocked that it hadn't been dealt with, and that she'd had to bottle feed, and obviously raised it as a question to the midwife lady.
I had to do that, because if it hadn't been for MN, i would have gone away believing that tongue tie meant no BFing.

nickelbabe Thu 20-Oct-11 14:20:42

I want to get some crossover type tops for feeding. (i don't normalyl suit them because i've got tiny boobs, but I'm hoping that the milk will give me ginormous bazongas! )

BamBam21 Thu 20-Oct-11 14:48:43

Hi everyone! Sorry I haven't been around, but I've been lurking. DS is still on his October holiday (back on Monday), so he's now been off for nearly 3 weeks because of his week off sick. I am going slightly mad as I'm tired all the time, and he's a total chatterbox bundle of energy! Anyway, it's DP's birthday tomorrow, and DS is really excited about that, so hopefully we'll have a nice day.

Glad you are all fine. Hope that the tongue tie problem will get sorted out Mightily. I'd never heard of that before!blush

Sorry you've felt abandoned nickel!grin Hopefully we might have chocolate over from the JSing thread soon though.smile

nickelbabe Thu 20-Oct-11 15:01:26

thank god you've popped in!
poor old postgrads were having to entertain me!
Ooh, it'll be lovely to have chocolate over here. I've been over on the JS thread trying to recruit, but they're having a hard time of it sad

I'm wearing trousers today. they're not uncomfortable, but not comfy either
They're digging into my crotch (main reason I don't like wearing trousers in a sit-down job), and they're quite tight on the waist (except they're onlytight on the waist when I'm sitting down)
anad I feel like a right tramp because I normally only wear trousers when i#'m being scruffy! (even though these are rather smart trousers!)

BamBam21 Thu 20-Oct-11 15:18:18


Maternity clothes are a real pain aren't they? I have some comfy tops from Next, but I also got jeans, and although they are quite comfy, the big stretchy bump band isn't adjustable, so I keep having to hoik them up! Hopefully I will grow into them and by 40 weeks they will fit like a dream!grin

I keep lurking on the JS thread and feel so bad for them.sad I keep wanting to post and offer some support and hugs, but I don't quite know what to say. I hope they will all be over here en masse very soon.smile

nickelbabe Thu 20-Oct-11 15:24:37

that's how i feel too - I just can't comment in a big way, without sounding like i'm boasting about graduating. sad

BamBam21 Thu 20-Oct-11 15:42:17

I know.sad If I was still TTC, I know I wouldn't want a grad boasting about it, even though I know they would be trying to help and not being unkind at all.

I am counting down now until DP gets home from work, and then I'll have him here all weekend. We are going out as a family tomorrow, and then DS is staying with my mum in the evening so we can go for a meal together. Lovely. We had planned to go to a lovely Indian place, but Bean seems to object strongly to spicy food and gives me hiccups, so Italian it is!grin

nickelbabe Thu 20-Oct-11 16:18:28

Isbn seems to react strongly to all food! grin
(or at least the volume I eat blush )

I've been gettign through my Rennie's like sweets

BamBam21 Thu 20-Oct-11 17:03:27

Oh I know how you feel, but unfortunately all antacids make me feel worse than the actual indigestion (apart from Remegel which aren't too bad)! It's the texture of them - esp Gaviscon.<boak>

Ah well, DP nearly home now. We're having pizza tonight with coleslaw and tattie salad. Fab! Off now to cook something for DS.smile

CuriosityCola Fri 21-Oct-11 07:33:14

Lansinoh is amazing as it stops you getting cracked nipples. Have read some people used it as lip balm during labour...think I will stick to my burts bees though grin

I still can't wear cross over tops. My boobs did get better, but seem to have settled down again. sadgrin Mostly back in my old tops with feeding vests underneath. Otherwise I still wear a bump band under top, so when I lift it to feed there is no tummy flashing.

I could do with some nice feeding dresses though. I love wearing boots, tights and dresses in the winter.

Sorry about the tongue tie. For something I was told wasn't that common, I know a lot of people it has affected. One of my antenatal class had it but has still breastfed successfully.

CuriosityCola Fri 21-Oct-11 07:34:00

*bigger not better grin Well maybe they were better!

nickelbabe Fri 21-Oct-11 11:16:51

the worst thing is, though, when I know I need to take something antacidy, i can taste rennie's in my mouth! It's like my body's going "i need mint stuff now!"

I don't mind flashing my tummy grin I did have bellydance class last night, and the leggings I'm using at the moment are Sainsbug's size 14 heifer pants, and every time I did a shimmy, or a figure 8, or moved my hips at all the bloody things fell down! I ended up spending most of the class hoicking them up again. blush
And not so elegant, because we were in the room with the mirrors, so all the way through the class, I could see how hideous it looked!

I have been lookign at feedingclothes - you know the ones that have concealed openings. And I've even seen a few patterns for making them. If only I could be arsed to do that!

nickelbabe Sat 22-Oct-11 10:23:12

a bit hmm at my mum right now.
She forumla-fed all of us, after about 2 weeks, and she knows I want to BF.
She keeps making the comments about "if you fail", "if it doesn't work" etc, and I've told her I don't want to hear any negative comments, and that if a woman tells her she wants to BF, then she should give positive comments about it, not set us up for failure (adding a remark about the fact that's all she's ever done to me my whole life).
And then I said that I would BF until the child decides to finish (okay, not strictly true, it'll be a joint decision between me and the child) to which she was horrified citing "that programme where a 7-year-old was demanding a BF. I find it disgusting" hmmangry
I told her that that's why we have mammory glands, and that it normal. It might not be usual buit it's normal, natural and certainly not disgusting!
She didn't make negative comments about either of my sisters' choices, so why should she about mine? (oh, that's because my sisters chose to FF)

CuriosityCola Sat 22-Oct-11 11:30:16

Sorry about your mum sad. I have realised that people project their own experiences on to you.

Have had mil tell me her children only breastfed every four hours and for only ten mins each breast (subtext, you are feeding him too much). Fil, I have a friend who is a retired nurse and she said you can overfeed a breastfed baby (subtext, you are wrong). Also said ds was ruined, but I will realise and be more relaxed with my next child. Sil, nearly all mums I know have found giving formula in the evening makes their baby sleep through (subtext, why are you putting up with getting up in the night). Also had from lots of people, if ds was ff he would be able to stay away for the night hmm I just ignore them now. Oh, a rant on here helps too! grin

There are problems that can and do occur with breastfeeding, but I think you are right that you need the determination and positivity to start with.

nickelbabe Sat 22-Oct-11 13:02:39

it's quite funny, because at first, i thought it was jsut because she was defending her own choice, which I would have no problem with, but then it became negative about my choice, and so I had to tell her straight.

Thankfully, I know a few women IRL who have breastfed successfully, and recommend it highly - 2 of 3 allowed the child to decide when it was time finish (one of whom's the oldest was 22 months iirc, and the other is still BFing, i think - he's not quite 3)(the one who stopped did so because she was fed up with it - after 6 months, but she was a feed on-demander, and had no probs with in public either.
I put it down to the way my mum is - why try something that might be hard when you can go for theeasy option?

CuriosityCola Sat 22-Oct-11 22:13:30

I'm glad you had the confidence to set her straight. I don't know anyone outside my antenatal class that does or has bf (bar mil). I had an initial target of 6 weeks which I have moved to 6 months. Mostly because I like to have an end date if I'm having a bad day blush. Really helped in first few weeks to think I was half way etc.

You will do what feels right for you. Not long until little one arrives now!

nickelbabe Mon 24-Oct-11 11:18:10

confidence to set her straight grin
I spend most of my time with my mum setting her straight on a lot of thigns hmm
I wish I didn't have to, but she does come out with some crap! shockgrin

They've gone home now, so I'm feeling a bit sad.
(yes, even though I've spent the whole weekend thinking "please stop spouting crap and being generally annoying!")
yesterday, they had planned that we were going to have lunch at this pub, then we would take them back to our house so that we could have a restful afternoon (read: a bit of a nap while they talked among themselves!), but no! they then decided that they "didn't want to make you drive all that way and then back again" and made us spend the afternoon in their hotel room.
And then moaned at me because I tried to nap on their bed. And still tried to talk to me as I was trying to get off to sleep.
This is from a woman who's had 3 babies of her own, and is constantly going on about how tiring it was being pregnant!

nickelbabe Mon 24-Oct-11 11:18:28

glad yours is going well. smile

BamBam21 Tue 25-Oct-11 10:55:10

Morning people!

Your weekend with your parents sounds a bit stressful nickel, but I'm glad you had a nice time anyway. How was your dad? Is he fully recovered now?

Well done with the BF curiosity. I have a lot of respect for anybody who can BF as I found it just emotionally draining and was happy to switch to FF. I'm sure it will work out for you too nickel as you sound so determined.smile

Well, DS finally returned to school yesterday, just in time for me catching a stinking cold.angrysad I am now going to curl up on the couch with my new book and feel sorry for myself.smile

nickelbabe Tue 25-Oct-11 11:03:57

sooooo stressful <wipes own brow>
I think he's fully recoverd - he's acting like his usual self! grin

Are you going to try BF this time?

I had a dream that every time the baby moved, it was always with elbows or knees, and then the midwife confirmed that the baby's feet and hands on each side were fused together.

nickelbabe Tue 25-Oct-11 11:04:15

(ie the hand was fused to the foot)

BamBam21 Tue 25-Oct-11 11:43:25

That's a weird dream nickel. I have a recurring dream that I go to the loo and find I'm bleeding.confused It actually makes me quite paranoid, so I knicker-check quite a lot!

Glad your dad has recovered.smile

I don't know whether I will try to BF this time round or not TBH. I only managed just over one day with DS, and found it really stressful, but I suppose he would have got some benefit even for that short time. I know the FF guidelines have changed now though, which will make it quite faffy. I just don't know.confused

nickelbabe Tue 25-Oct-11 11:56:19

you'll do what you do on the day, i suppose. smile

nickelbabe Tue 25-Oct-11 11:59:08

i think my bump is lower than it was. confused

BamBam21 Tue 25-Oct-11 13:26:19

Ooh, just saw your message nickel! It could well be that Isbn has engaged a bit. I know that happened with DS quite a bit before he actually was born.

Are you feeling fine though?smile

nickelbabe Tue 25-Oct-11 14:41:26

as long as it's Isbn's head that's engaged, I don't mind that! grin

I hadn't noticed it, jsut a colleague of DH's commented, and then I sat down and thought "ooh, it doesn't feel quite as squashed there as it normally does" confused

I don't know , though, it might just be the dress!

feeling fine? is that relative?
feeling tired, and feeling indegestion-y, and feeling restless.

are you feeling fine?

BamBam21 Tue 25-Oct-11 14:48:39

Feeling fine is definitely relative I think!grin I am feeling rubbish with the cold - keep sneezing, blowing my nose and feeling shivery. Gah! Just about to head out to collect DS from school, but all I want to do is crawl off to bed. Oh well!grin

It'll be exciting if Isbn has engaged though - esp. if it's his/her head! Not long to go for you at all. I am 25 wks today. Yay!smile

nickelbabe Tue 25-Oct-11 14:54:52

oh dear, i hope it's not the flu.

I miss 25 weeks. 25 weeks was good - not feeling crappy, still getting a bit of sleep, but feeling tired. starting to look pg not fat, but without the cumbersome weight. smile
(but i didn't have a cold, so it's easy for me!)

definitely not as bulky under the bust.
I hope that doesn't mean it's gone sideways! 35+3 today.

BamBam21 Tue 25-Oct-11 15:19:24

I don't think it will be the flu, as I had the flu jab about 10 days ago. Hopefully just a cold, but that won't stop me from moaning!grin Quite often, colds turn into sinus infections for me, so I'll keep an eye on it.

I remember the bulky feeling of the late stages. At least the cooler weather is here though, so you might feel a bit comfier.smile

nickelbabe Tue 25-Oct-11 15:52:55

no! still too hot!
and my feet are swelling too. worrying about that, because I don't want pre-emclampsia (it's the only symptom, though, so i think i'm okay)
i can't put my feet up, though, because i've got nowhere to do that!

CuriosityCola Tue 25-Oct-11 18:06:40

Thanks Bambam. I think I have been lucky that I didn't get sore and more importantly that I had amazing support. I was wanting to feed ds just after he was born and the midwife made me relax and take my time. I was then shown to lie on my side and let him latch on as he wanted. I have two friends that had bad experiences with their first children and are not wanting to try and bf again. Think you have to do what is best for you. smile

BamBam21 Wed 26-Oct-11 10:10:50

I'm always too hot too nickel, and this cold isn't helping. My temperature's all over the place! I was up at 5.30 this morning as DS had a nightmare. Poor wee soul. I got him back to bed for a bit, but it didn't seem worth it for me, and I feel so tired now!

I'm glad it's going well for you curiosity, and that you have lots of support. I think that makes a huge difference, but I also think it depends on your own character and personality too. We'll all find the way that works best for us.smile

nickelbabe Wed 26-Oct-11 10:28:29

curiosity - it's good to hear a positive BF story. I was beginning to be scared about it!

sad you're not feeling better today.
My mum gave me a cardigan, and the sleeves are stupidly short - it's defo a full-length sleeve, not three-quarters, but it doesn't even sit as far down as my watch! which of course is even shorter when I'm typing.
so i'm hot round the belly and freeeeeezing on the lower arm and hand.
God knows who they designed this cardy for! the length of the back is just perfect.

nickelbabe Wed 26-Oct-11 10:33:00

I did just remember, after posting, that I cut the feet off some tights a couple of weeks ago for DH's poor post-work wet feet, and I kept the rest of the tights (warning ! hoarder alert!), so I've just been upstairs and cut another length off the legs. I am now sitting here with black sleeve cuffs looking like an oldlady! grin

BamBam21 Wed 26-Oct-11 11:30:02

grinThat sounds so glam nickel!! Mums buy odd clothes though. Mine got me a bright red fleecy all-in-one a couple of weeks ago.shock No idea what she was thinking, but I looked like a giant baby!grin

It's lovely to hear curiosity's positive BF story. I think everyone deserves support and to feel positive about their choice. New mums have enough strain and worry without the BF and FF bashers getting on their case IMO.

nickelbabe Wed 26-Oct-11 11:33:49

it feels quite classy really grin
it is mum's cardy, she's just lending it me while I'm fat.

I want a giant red fleecy all-in-one!!!! envy

exactly - I can't see how it can be good for anyone to be pushed this way or that, and made to feel inadequate and made to feel their choices (which sometimes aren't even choices!) are wrong. How does that help a new mum in bonding and looking after her baby? confused

BamBam21 Wed 26-Oct-11 11:54:10

A happy, relaxed mum makes a happy, relaxed baby. I really believe that's true. We all just want to do our best for our little ones.smile

The all-in-one was fantastic, but unfortunately my bump pulled it up so that it was giving me a bit of a fanjo-wedgie!blush So cosy though, and it even had a hood! Not sure whether DP would ever have come near me again if I had kept it though!grin

nickelbabe Wed 26-Oct-11 12:05:39

oh, you should have kept it! It would have been very snuggly when you're looking after the baby in the winter months. grin

BamBam21 Wed 26-Oct-11 13:03:19

I wish I had kept it for that reason. I'm not looking forward to being up at the crack of doom again doing night feeds, and it would have been so cosy! Imagine if the postie or someone came to the door and I had that on though!shockgrin

nickelbabe Wed 26-Oct-11 13:42:07

I'm pretty sure my personal postie would have thought it very sexy indeed. grin
(not on you! on me! or he'd be in for a hmm.... wink)

It really would have been cosy - ask her if she's still got it.

BamBam21 Wed 26-Oct-11 14:41:47


She got it from a home shopping channel and sent it back unfortunately. I think she is planning on getting me some cosy jammies and nighties for Christmas though, so that I'll have something decent to wear in the hospital when Bean arrives!grin

Can't believe it's nearly time to collect DS from school again. Such a fast day. He will be tired as he had a nightmare last night that there were spiders and snakes everywhere and that I was dead.shock Poor wee soul was really sobbing and it took a while to calm him down. I think it might be some anxiety about Bean coming, even though he's excited about it. He's had a lot to deal with in his life, what with me separating from his arse of a dad, and then us having to stop all contact because he just wasn't treating DS right.sad Lots of cuddles and reassurance are the order of the day.

nickelbabe Wed 26-Oct-11 15:03:45


what an awful nightmare.
I hope the day at school has taken his mind of it.
Lots of cuddles tongith then.

It's not a fast day here - almost dead in town.
I'm bloody cold and sooo tired.

BamBam21 Wed 26-Oct-11 16:37:47

Well we are home again and DS seems fine now and is watching Annie.smile Hopefully he'll have a better night tonight.

I hope you can get home and get warmed up soon nickel. It's horrible being cold all day.smile

PrincessPoppySeed Fri 28-Oct-11 14:44:10

Hello!!!!! I have arrived!!!!!! It's the Miff in yet another guise! And why this name? Because I have a poppy seed sized embryo growing in my belly!!!!

grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin

Wanna hear my story? Well, having had 10 months of clomid, we had already met the consultant for IVF and were due to start ASAP. BUT!!! I was a couple days late and POAS and for the first time ever I got that BFP!! 22 months of trying!

EDD is 29th June. I think I'm about 5 weeks.

Please - fill me in on everything. What stage are you viroids at?

I cannot tell you how good it feels to have made it over here!! When does it start feeling real?


nickelbabe Fri 28-Oct-11 14:48:53

Mifffffffllllllllles !!!!!


Good shagging, my lovely!

ah, I remember 5 weeks. smile

BamBam is your closest - we've been very quiet on here, since most of them have already popped.
I'm 35 +6, so I'm nearly there too!
Mine didn't feel real for such a long time - probably until I knew I was feeling baby movements and not just stomach growls.
(that was at about 20 weeks!)
Now I'm beng butted (literally with its bum) regularly, hmmgrin

How do you feel?

PrincessPoppySeed Fri 28-Oct-11 15:33:27

Hee hee!! Thanks Nickel I thought you'd be pleased to hear from me!! grin

Wow - you really are close to DD. Go you! How has the pregnancy been? I haven't been lurking, as it hurt too much as I never believed I'd get there!

Feeling normal. But I understand that is too be expected. Did you get any nasty pregnancy symptoms? Are you still working?

Bambam - how far along are you?

What of the other viroids? Takethat and BrassicaBabe?

nickelbabe Fri 28-Oct-11 15:56:41

TTL has definitely dropped (in june, i think).
BB did too - she had twins. but I think she namechanged.
they've got their own post-grad thread , and they don't come over here much [sob sob]

My pregnancy has been generally pretty damn easy grin
(sorry for gloating!)
I didn't even vomit!
(but i do feel sick often these days, but that's more reflux than nausea - I think my stomach is my food-pipe!)

I'm still working - I've got to work until the last minute! shock
(bad timing, being due a month before christmas)
I don't fit into any clothes, and I think Isbn (that's the bump's name) has started to drop, because my bump feels slightly lower.

are you vomitting everywhere yet?

PrincessPoppySeed Fri 28-Oct-11 16:39:03

Really pleased that everything was so easy. It is reassuring to hear!

Other than sore boobs I have no symptoms yet, which is partly why I don't believe it! Also, you know how long we were trying for. Am almost hoping for a bit of morning sickness smile <famous last words!>

Sorry to hear the grads don't come a visit - how rude! Doesn't sound like it'll be long before you're joining them though. You didn't time your pregnancy well at all - your bookshop will miss you! Tsk tsk - after all, planning our pregnancy was top of the agenda wink

nickelbabe Fri 28-Oct-11 16:47:17

yeah, noone else had it easy! grinwink

seriously, though, although it's been overall easy, there have been tiems and days hwne I've felt awful, especially the tired bits.
It's mainly tired and uncomfortable that are the problem - don't forget, even if it's relatively easy, you're still allowed to moan and whinge, and be pandered to at every whim.

oh, they do visit - just not very often. smile
yes, my poor bookshop! I've got saturday girl covering for the holiday, which is going to cost me a fortune now she's 21. and a good friend of mine from backhome is doing a week for me immediately following the birth (she's dropping everything as soon as established labour starts!)

PrincessPoppySeed Fri 28-Oct-11 16:52:42

Oh, I plan to get pandered to as much as possible! DH is already looking after me - we're going out for a meal tonight to celebrate. He gives me two kisses as I go to work and asks how his two babies are. Is that <boak> or <aah>? I like it for now! He's banning me from my exercise classes though - legs/bums/tums, which I can understand but also badminton. Think that's a little OTT TBH.

Sounds like you've got the beginnings of a plan with the shop - but what about 2 weeks after the birth?!

Had a quick peek over at the grads thread....BB had her twins only a little early, but they were in special care. Oh bless. She seems happy with things and coping. I'm a bit concerned we might have twins, as I doubled my clomid dose this month - may have ovulated twice! Although the chances of nothing for months and months and then 2 fertilized in one go are fairly slim. smile

nickelbabe Fri 28-Oct-11 16:58:40

it is <boak> but we'll forgive you grin

don't give up your exercise classes - they're very useful for the pregnancy and the birth - but do make sure you tell your teacher (I still went every week, but stopped when I felt tired, or jut generally didn't do too much - anything high energy i missed out, or did the low-energy way)
I have basically given all housework and care of everything to DH. In the first trimester, I was too tired, and made him do everything. In the second trimester I (eventually) felt full of energy and it was great, and I helped out, and this trimester, I just want to sleep (especially at night when don't seem to be able to hmm

I'm hoping the baby will be 2 weeks late (but I'm not so sure, if it's engaging now, it might be on time)

ConfessionsOfAWereFanjo Fri 28-Oct-11 17:45:28

MIFFLES!!!!!! WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP!!! grin (can you tell I'm happy for you?)

Nickel DD engaged before due date and still managed to wait until just a few hours before I was due to be induced to arrive.

nickelbabe Sat 29-Oct-11 11:12:09

my book says they can start to engage at 36 weeks, so I'm expecting that. I'm just hoping it means Isbn is the right way down and isn't going to flip again...

ConfessionsOfAWereFanjo Sat 29-Oct-11 11:54:20

PS PPS if you're not sure who the hell was yelling at you so loudly yesterday, I used to be NoMoreChocBiscuits xx

PrincessPoppySeed Sat 29-Oct-11 12:08:06

Aaahhh!!!! I have seen a Fanjo person around, but didn't realise it was you, NoMore. I felt really bad, cos you were obviously pleased to see me, but I couldn't recall you properly! Now it all makes sense!! Thanks, you made me feel all warm inside! xx

How far are you? I'm <counts on fingers> 5+4. Am going to see the GP on Monday. What will they do?

nickelbabe Sat 29-Oct-11 13:13:35

GPs tend not to do anything - mine didn't even want to see me, just got told by the receptionist to book in with the midwife.
That's all the GP will do - tell you to see the MW.

ConfessionsOfAWereFanjo Sat 29-Oct-11 13:31:02

Sorry to confuse you PPS. I had PGP for the full 9 months, so changed to COAachingFanjo. Changed to werefanjo after DD was born and I realised how um, untrimmed I actually was down there. DD was 17 weeks yesterday grin.

Yep the GP will refer you to the MW.

ConfessionsOfAWereFanjo Sat 29-Oct-11 13:32:30

PS. Nickel I may not 'visit' very often, but I have this thread on my watch list, so can drop in when anything exciting happens (or you start to get to lonely wink)

PrincessPoppySeed Sat 29-Oct-11 13:44:26


PrincessPoppySeed Sat 29-Oct-11 13:45:17

And congratulations on your DD - wow, time flies!! Hadn't realised it'd taken me so long to catch up!!!

nickelbabe Sat 29-Oct-11 14:03:54

aw choccy - that's lovely smile

PGP? got to be something painful, right? confused

CuriosityCola Sat 29-Oct-11 21:16:26

Congrats Miffles! Baby2b here grin Really pleased for you. x

PrincessPoppySeed Sun 30-Oct-11 14:55:44

Thanks baby2b. Have you had yours? Totally lost track of which viroids are where! Still not quite believing I'm actually pregnant.

ConfessionsOfAWereFanjo Sun 30-Oct-11 21:04:06

Pelvic Girdle Pain also known as SPD (Symphasis Pubis Disorder), Also known as, 'How did I miss someone kicking me in the fanjo? By f*ck it hurts'

CuriosityCola Sun 30-Oct-11 22:29:16

My little boy is nearly 10 weeks old and gorgeous grin

Have you had any morning sickness or other symptoms yet?

nickelbabe Mon 31-Oct-11 10:28:28

I don't want that, then.

I've just been telling those on the wordgames thread...
Isbn is definitely the right way down, and definitely engaged (I assume not fully, but it's in the gap!).
I was being all paranoid after the bump dropping down last week that it was sideways. Anyway, Junior Chorister's mum is a MW, so I got her to check for me after the service yesterday blush
she got me on my back in the Tower Room and prodded about - she said its head is engaged, and showed me where to feel for it, and she also said that the spine was on the left, and bum here, and legs over there on the right. Lovely. She said it was in the perfect position for the moment (obv spine forward for the birth we hope), and that it will rotate on its head, but shouldn't come out of position now.

nickelbabe Mon 31-Oct-11 10:29:02

(i mean, i've got my MW appt on tuesday, but have been so worried, that it just couldn't wait till then!

PrincessPoppySeed Mon 31-Oct-11 10:38:52

Exciting stuff Nickel! Can just imagine you grabbing a random lady and pressing her hands to your abdomen! At least you chose a MW!!!

Congrats Curiosity - I bet he is gorgeous! What have you named him?

No morning sickness....sore boobs and some cramps still. Oh, and vivid dreams and restless. So tired and not sleeping well. DId others have this?

BamBam21 Mon 31-Oct-11 10:40:30

Miffles!! (Or Poppy!) So happy to see you over here!grin Glad you are keeping well too.smilewine

I am 25+6 now (due 6 Feb), and, like nickel, I have kept well and problem-free so far, except for a horrible virusy thing which has kept me lying low the last few days.

Glad to hear everything is moving in the right direction for you nickel. So exciting that you are so nearly there now!smile

I'm off to clean the total health hazard that is my bathroom now.blush I have done nothing for ages as I have felt so crappy, so wish me luck, I'm going in!!grin

nickelbabe Mon 31-Oct-11 10:46:08

I didn't grab a random woman! I knew she was a midwife grin

I am very excited that it's so close, but I am really quite enjoying being pregnant! It's weird - like I've got the cuddles from the baby without the looking after it part. I risk sounding like a soppy sod, but it's quite lovely.