Here is the link to the new thread everyone.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/antenatal_clubs/793464-Due-Jan-2010-watching-our-beans-grow-into-bumps

Sazlocks - struggling to find the new thread you've started off.....?

*Crumpette and Alibobins* - Jesus Christ!! Puts everyone else's pg woes into perspective. Keep strong.

Evening all - I have started us a new thread off as this one will be full v shortly.

alibobins sorry to hear about your DD hope you are bearing up ok in the circumstances.

Crumpette I have started a thread in pregnancy about all the mad things people say when you tell them you are pregnant - its hilarious some of the things people have had said to them.

somewhat I am well and truly abandoned to maternity clothes. What a relief although slight horror as I am sure I didn't show until late August last time !

alibobins best of luck for you and your Dd! It is always hard when Dcs are ill, especially when it is potentially serious.

crumpette with Dd I kept being asked if it was planned as we are not married, even though I had relocated from London to be with Dp and we had been together for 5yrs. Even comments from parents of children I taught saying they hadn't thought I was maternal - why I worked with small children and obviously I was going to discuss my fertility/sex life at the classroom door! Some people are just rude/nosy.

So much going on with everyone this thread moves so fast.
Got loads on my mind as Dd was diagnosed with an auto-immune condition two weeks ago and treatment involes weekly methotrexate injection and 3 days a month steroid infusions its attacking her eyes and she could lose her sight

On a happier note I felt a really strong kicks last night so at least little one is okay only 4 weeks till my next scan.

yeah I think the least time spent with 'the family' the better! Thanks for hugs it was all really horrendous but I don't think it has sunk in yet

What I don't get is why everyone feels the need to ask ''was it planned?'' when I say I am pregnant. Like, why are you asking?? Does it matter?? Are you going to judge me for planning it after this year's events or are you going to think am irresponsible if I say it wasn't planned? aaah!!

Sorry, but really, that's what I get asked all the time. Is it just me!?

Oh, crumpette how sad! Be gentle with yourself, especially at a funeral. I think leaving afterwards would be a good idea, you are much more hormonal when you are pg too.

I'm so sorry about your DD Crumpette - thats just the most terrible thing.

Your plan for the funeral sounds like a good idea - especially if your family aren't too good supportwise. Please take things easy on yourself and get your DP to give you a RL hug {{{{{hugs}}}}}}

Thanks all - glad all positive! To be fair to midwife/docs I got results by post as had blood taken for test at hosp rather than in normal midwife appt as booking in was about 3 days too early for her to take blood. Was veh impressed by 3 day turnaround for results though.
Started to tell people and amused/annoyed by mixed reactions - what's wrong with a good old fashioned 'congratulations'!! (and why does everyone feel they've got to have guessed already - it's not against the law to be suprised

sorry, tmi!

Having psychoanalysed myself today I think the reason I am dreading my grandmother's funeral sooo much is that people will start talking to me about DD which I can't handle at all just yet, so am plotting ways of not going! As they live hours away from London I am thinking of just going to the service and not the tedious reception bit afterwards saying we have to drive back early.

Oh- also on the bump front, I wore maternity jeans today (eek) and had a visible bump. It seems to really depend on what I wear! Also extreme expanding going on in the chest department, have gone from 32c to 34/36dd aaaah! I think my breasts are confused as there is already milk there. They didn't grow much with DD at all until they became enormous after she was born, so I wasn't expecting this just yet...

hello, thanks re my grandmother- it's just really bad timing! She was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer about 6 weeks ago I think, so it wasn't unexpected but was very very fast. lynnevans re my DD, I wasn't going to post it again as I will depress everyone(sorry!)but she died in April aged 14 and a bit months. She was in hospital for over 3 months beforehand, she caught a virus (flu symptoms) from DP, then suddenly developed liver failure (which is extremely rare but occasionally a virus can attack the liver or other organs), she had a liver transplant, it failed after 2 weeks, she had another one, it went pretty badly and she ended up brain damaged and in a lot of pain afterwards but she survived until she suddenly deteriorated over a few days in April and ended up back in intensive care and diedshe was my best little friend, really clever and sweet and happy

Anyway yes so this year has been v bad thus far! However on a positive- I have no swine flu symptoms as yet!!

flightoffancy as sazlocks and quirkychick said that risk is very low indeed so it's a fab result

somewhathorrified I've gone from a 34B to 38D - no bump as yet though - and I've been out and bought a maternity swimsuit but haven't tried it on yet. I was amazed at the change in bodyshape as well couldn't believe it! DH was of no use saying "Oh thought you'd changed a bit" A bit! I'm sure your not waddling really - just getting ready early?

Crumpette my DH is also now panicked about swineflu - as is my twin sister. I think I'm the calmest one around who keeps saying its normally mild and I'd get antivirials is I got symptons. doesn't help DH is downstairs blowing his nose (loudly) as he has a streaming cold (no temperature though). I was very relieved whn I got the scan results through as I'll be 36 when the baby comes along.

Got told yesterday but a mate "wow, you've definitely got good bump going there!" no hiding it anymore . Doesn't help my body image when my MIL says "I didn't show 'til I was 5 months gone on my first" ...well bully for you. Am totally amazed at change in body size in 6 weeks...size 10 to size 14+, 36b to 36E. It's all so demoralizing, I'm sure I'm gonna end up the size of a house, I already feel like a beached whale and OMG I started to waddle! what the hells that about?

Sorry just needed to vent.

crumpette sorry to hear about your grandma, I've just been to DH's grandmas funeral. The (obvious) news of my pregnancy absolutely made Granpas day and everyone was genuinely enthusiatic about it. Might have something to do with the fact that me and grandma shared the same name.

maygirl once you start doing the DVD you will become addicted as i do it most night and the lasy who does it has a calming voice and is not patronising like some can be. it is really good, and i actaully think that is can already see a difference in my arms and thighs!!! good luck and it is really fun to do

Hi all
flightoffancy that risk is extremely low. The background risk (as I understand it) is your walking in the door risk and is based on age. The adjusted risk is your age, the blood results and the nuchal scan results. Sounds great to me - nothing to worry about. My walking in the door risk was 1 in 250 and adjusted was 1 in 7300 ish. Very unhelpful to send that in the post with no explanation.
Crumpette sorry to hear about your grandmother - that is tough on top of everything else.
maygirl congrats on your scan

I am also exhausted - not helped by running around after my gorgeous 18 month old all day. Musn't grumble too much as after getting up with him at 6.30 I did get a further 2 hour kip when I put him down for a nap at 9 am - YAY. I am finding work, toddlerdom, pregnancy exhausting and lynneevans - I hate the world as well ! very bad tempered which is nice to be around !
Happy weekend y'all

crumpette so sorry to hear about your grandmother. Here is a pre-eclampsia support forum that was recommended on another thread with the NICE guidelines for treating someone at risk here. I hope it is useful. You might want to print it off to show the unpleasant receptionist!

FlightofFancy I think 1:6279 is very low and the NHS only recommends amnio for a definite test with a 1:250 risk or above as there is a risk of miscarriage (with an amniocentesis). This was explained to me by the consultant doing the scan, they should have done the same for you too not just sent you a letter with no explanation. Hope that helps. Congratulations on your results!

Hi all,
Hope everyone having a good weekend. Just need a bit of help from more experienced people understanding the Down's syndrome results I got in the post today (know that if I was being properly PFB then I'd've phoned midwife and interuppted her Saturday!).
Gives me background risk of 1:785 (which I presume is general risk based on age - 31). Then an adjusted risk of 1:6279. So presume that's all OK?
Nuchal measurement was 1.7 if that help decode the info!
Was suprised there was no covering letter explaining!
Cheers all.

Sorry to hear about your grandmother Crumpette.

We had our scan on Friday, and baby looks fine. Just had the dating scan, declined nuchal, and my due date has stayed the same at 26th Jan. Was lovely to see him/her, feels like we waited forever this time for a glimpse!

Had a night out afterwards with DH as mum here to look after DS while we had the scan. We had a chinese then went to a comedy club. Back home at nearly midnight, far too late for me and the bump! Just had to have a nap to recover

Thanks to whoever recommended the pilates DVD, have just got it and looks really good. I liked the abs bit, gave me some new ideas to try. I've been having to make up my own routine for the abs bit at the end of classes at the gym since having to stop crunches, and it's been a a bit random and half hearted!
Good evening everyone.

Crumpette - for the sake of others like me who have joined rather late - can I be really nosy and ask for more details on your awful year, DD illness etc? I know you've referred to it in recent posts but struggling to get to grips with it all - sounds pretty horrendous....

sorry lynneevans x-posted, yes I find myself hating DP all the time, and my colleagues, and hospital workers, etc etc. However I do think my hatred is rational!!

I'd blame the hormones!

liskey what fab results, they make my 1 in 33000 look worrying!

hmm the general plan was to not tell my family at all (long story, they think I should be completing high flying career and doing it all the right way round, they disapprove of babies in general and were really mega-useless when DD became ill earlier this year, to the point of saying they wanted her to die, and I was selfish as a parent to consent to supposedly life-saving treatment)ehem, sorry!! so I decided that it may be best if nobody knows and then we go and visit after he/she arrives! It makes funeral-wear all the more problematic!

Had a bit of a rubbish year thus far, makes me wonder what's next...!

Went shopping today- kingston (?) miles away from here but DP has friends there and I really couldn't face central london, and was completely shocked that there is not a single place there that sells maternity clothes! Their H&M has practically a single rail at the back, and er, that's it, in the whole place!

Ended up getting a stretchy black dress (non-maternity but in a department store sale!) as my suits aren't going to fit, not even with the assistance of scary-spanxesque-tights. It has a lot of pleats going down from the waist so it hides it suprisingly well, and will should fit later on as well.

I think it's a bit informal but may have to do as am expanding daily.

lottie are you definitely off to zurich next month?

am trying to persuade DP that with the whole rubbish year and horrid events thus far, and with small screamy baby set to arrive in Jan, we should really go on holiday somewhere. He, however, has become convinced I will get swine flu and die or we shall be quarantined in another continent! I am hoping to just book something with neither his knowledge nor consent so he can't say no! Any ideas on where would be 'safe'?

Having an awfully bad hormonal day today. I struggled with this in my last pregnancy. Basically seem to hate DH and kids - everything they say and do I literally want to scream at them and find I'm fighting some kind of onset of Tourettes Syndrome!!! Want to swear uncontrollably as some kind of way of expressing anger. Even though I know the feelings are completely irrational, it just doesn't help feelings of intense anger. V tearful also once anger subsides.

Does anyone else ever go through this? Am I completely mad?

Sorry to hear that Crumpettte - my Gran died when I was about 6 weeks pregnant - we found out the week before she was terminally ill. Really sorry to hear that.

I got my NT results through as 1-50,000 so started telling people at work now. Those who know about the mmc last year are really pleased for me - I think the others are worrying about how the team will cope as we've lost various members of staff over the last 3 months.

I've updated the list as my due date is now the 13 Jan.

1 singalongamumum (DS 18mth)
1 Alibobins (DS5 DD9)
1 ClaireDB (1st baby)
2 Lisylou1980
3 salvadory (1st Baby)
3 liny
3 sunshinejanuary 1st Baby - South London
3 Bethoo (DS 2 DD 8 mon)- Wiltshire
4 pepa (DS 3.5, DD 18mth) Toronto, Canada
5 Dizzyclarebear (1st baby) - SE london
5 timmette (DS 3)
6 oomska (DD 13mo)
6 crumpette (2nd DC)
6 gizzy1973 (1st baby)
7 lynneevans51 (DS 10 yr; DD 6 yr) - N Ldn
8 STA1mum (DS15mth)
10 Zen1980 (1st baby)
10 lizzylu (DS 14mths)
10 Somewhathorrified
10 kittykat765 (DS 19mth) Bristol
11 Katiei (DS)
11 anastaisia (dd b2005)
11 lilacpink (DD 3)
12 roastbeef
13 skidoodle (DD 13mo)
13 LessThenIdeal
13 Sleepingalot, Sheffield
13 londonlottie (1st baby) - London SE5/SE22
13 Liskey (1st baby)
15 lynchy09 (DS14mth)
15 Sersi (DS1 6, DS2 4) HERTS
15 Worriedunfortunately (DD 4y)
16 DesertFairy (DD3)
16 ampster (DS 11mo)
16 ILoveDolly
17 slightlybonkers (DS 3yo)
17 MrsStripey (DS15mo)
18 alfiesmadmother (DS1 7,DS2 5 and DS3 3)
18 dal21 (DS 20 mths)
18 Southwestwhippet (First baby)
20 sooooexcited (DS 2)
20 showmethemummy (2 DCs)
20 verytiredmummy (DS)
20 Totalmisfit (DD 3.4) Norfolk
21 quirkychick (DD 3.5) Norfolk
21 Mowmi (1st baby) Surrey
23 AutumnAir (1st baby)
24 Sazlocks (DS 18mo), Shropshire
24 Blocka (DD 32mo), North East
24 Laura233
24 coffeeicecream (DS 9mo), NW London
24 MamaLazarou (1st baby)
24 Biccy (DD 3)
25 FlightofFancy (1st baby), Surrey
25 Noodlesforbreakfast
25 Iateallthecreameggsyummy
29 helenabeth (DS1 4.5, DS2 20mths)
30 nervoussara, Brighton
30 (or thereabouts!) anniemac (DD 4)
31 laurawantsababy (DD 11mo)
31 IrrationalMother (DS 18mo)
[?] Miss Chatterbox (DD1 4 DD2 2)
[?] Beanz2 (DS 13mo)
[?] Fififorgot, South

The ones that have lost their little ones:
VivClicqot
beanieb
coffeeandcarrotcake
Rainbowdays
EsmeandDante
bluespix77
AmyLou32
st arshaker
The Kurgan

Crumpetter sorry to hear about your loss and i would say a big gathering like that is always a good time to share happy news and can make the day easier iyswim

Oh crumpette - you poor thing. Sorry to hear of your loss. My grandmother brought me up for a while too and died when I was 15; I was devastated.

Could you buy something more comfy to wear to the funeral? I bought a very plain black maternity straight skirt in the sale in Hennes this week for £5 - bargain. I have got to the stage where I can't bear being uncomfortable in my normal clothes and am no longer wearing most of them. If you don't feel like telling them this week then a summery dress might do the trick if it's a little bit 'flowing' around the tummy area. Having said that, I have found that people are quite receptive to positive news at funerals; it might remind them all of the circle of life... xxx

The real reception woes were in suite 8, I think, the antenatal/early pregnancy part. Joy.

Excellent news that scan was OK lottie- if you had somebody called Jesus doing it he is brilliant at finding the sex.. yay so it could be a girl and a boy? How cute!!!

I went to St Thomas's last time but as I'm so much closer to Kings now I think I will stay there.. hmmmm

Haven't told any of my family I am pregnant. I have to go to a funeral next week as my grandmother, who brought me up, died this week suddenly so I am dreading seeing everyone. I have nothing that will fit, and hide it!!! Someone is bound to say something... may not be the best time to announce it!

Sorry to hear about your receptionist woes crumpette. Was that at the Harris Birthright Centre at Kings? Aaaah <reminisces>... I was there just a few hours ago....

Went in for our check up scan after being referred 10 days ago by the twat doctor doing our nuchal. As per everyone's advice here, and my Google-skills, there was absolutely nothing wrong with twin 2's heartbeat. The doctor I saw today looked quizzically at my notes and couldn't believe I'd been called back in for another scan. Anyway he had a quick shufty and all is well. I also asked if he could get a gander at the gender and all he said was he was 75% sure that one of them was a girl; he couldn't see the other. It actually felt a bit weird seeing him poking around trying to get a good look at my babies 'bits'!

mowmi - I'd love to think we'll make it to 13th January but am facing the very real possibility that they might have a Christmas birthday - want to avoid that if I can!

I look like I've got a beer gut. I'm actually looking forward to getting a bit bigger so I look properly pregnant!

crumpette: could you go to a different hospital if they treat you like that? I got a choice of 3. Suppose it depends on your area though, it's all pretty inconsistent, and confusing.

ok..deep breathing.. am over it!

Hi quirkychick thanks, I thought I was being irrationally moody and irate but she was so rude to me and completely refused to book the appointment which had already been requested, in my notes, by a lead midwife at the hospital! I heard pre-eclampsia only happens in first pregnancies, but then heard that's a myth and it can easily recur, and often does, and cholestasis apparently always recurs which is worrying..

hmphf

crumpette I have a history of pre-eclampsia and dvt, my lovely gp referred me to antenatal clinic and consultant from 6wks. If they won't listen to mw what about trying your gp? I have been seen at clinic twice at 6wks and 12wks this time following scan. Will have scan at 20wks+clinic and small baby scan (ie to check growth) at 28wks+clinic. Each time I see a nurse/midwife and a doctor on the consultant's team. You definitely need to make a fuss! Good luck. FWIW I was told I have a 20% of pre-eclampsia recurring.

mowmi 7th Jan is my bday, the day after my EDD- am wondering if I am going to have the most painful birthday ever......

Thanks! Can your DS/DD skive Monday/Tuesday!??

I think swine flu won't be too much of a problem for most healthy people, if you get any symptoms get relenza asap, but hopefully if you are otherwise fit and OK you'd be alright. Not the kind of stress you need!

The midwife was adamant I had to see consultant as LFTs already dodgy and obstetric cholestasis can cause stillbirth etc etc, so it was quite important- I hate the kind of receptionist who thinks they know more than medical staff and gets off on little power trips!

I am sooooooooooooooo annoyed!!!!!

phew, sorry again! Meanwhile- shockhorror- there is no food in the house!! Can you believe it!? not even crumpets!!

Lottie - how was the scan? 13th Jan is my birthday by the way!

Another update already - I've moved up to 21st, back to my original dates

1 singalongamumum (DS 18mth)
1 Alibobins (DS5 DD9)
1 ClaireDB (1st baby)
2 Lisylou1980
3 salvadory (1st Baby)
3 liny
3 sunshinejanuary 1st Baby - South London
3 Bethoo (DS 2 DD 8 mon)- Wiltshire
4 pepa (DS 3.5, DD 18mth) Toronto, Canada
5 Dizzyclarebear (1st baby) - SE london
5 timmette (DS 3)
6 oomska (DD 13mo)
6 crumpette (2nd DC)
6 gizzy1973 (1st baby)
7 lynneevans51 (DS 10 yr; DD 6 yr) - N Ldn
8 STA1mum (DS15mth)
10 Zen1980 (1st baby)
10 lizzylu (DS 14mths)
10 Somewhathorrified
10 kittykat765 (DS 19mth) Bristol
11 Katiei (DS)
11 anastaisia (dd b2005)
11 lilacpink (DD 3)
12 roastbeef
13 skidoodle (DD 13mo)
13 LessThenIdeal
13 Sleepingalot, Sheffield
13 londonlottie (1st baby) - London SE5/SE22
15 lynchy09 (DS14mth)
15 Sersi (DS1 6, DS2 4) HERTS
15 Worriedunfortunately (DD 4y)
16 DesertFairy (DD3)
16 ampster (DS 11mo)
16 ILoveDolly
17 slightlybonkers (DS 3yo)
17 MrsStripey (DS15mo)
17 Liskey (1st baby)
18 alfiesmadmother (DS1 7,DS2 5 and DS3 3)
18 dal21 (DS 20 mths)
18 Southwestwhippet (First baby)
20 sooooexcited (DS 2)
20 showmethemummy (2 DCs)
20 verytiredmummy (DS)
20 Totalmisfit (DD 3.4) Norfolk
21 quirkychick (DD 3.5) Norfolk
21 Mowmi (1st baby) Surrey
23 AutumnAir (1st baby)
24 Sazlocks (DS 18mo), Shropshire
24 Blocka (DD 32mo), North East
24 Laura233
24 coffeeicecream (DS 9mo), NW London
24 MamaLazarou (1st baby)
24 Biccy (DD 3)
25 FlightofFancy (1st baby), Surrey
25 Noodlesforbreakfast
25 Iateallthecreameggsyummy
29 helenabeth (DS1 4.5, DS2 20mths)
30 nervoussara, Brighton
30 (or thereabouts!) anniemac (DD 4)
31 laurawantsababy (DD 11mo)
31 IrrationalMother (DS 18mo)
[?] Miss Chatterbox (DD1 4 DD2 2)
[?] Beanz2 (DS 13mo)
[?] Fififorgot, South

The ones that have lost their little ones:
VivClicqot
beanieb
coffeeandcarrotcake
Rainbowdays
EsmeandDante
bluespix77
AmyLou32
st arshaker
The Kurgan

Crumpette - vent well received. WTF indeed!! Far be it from me to criticise NHS but seriously - some of the staff have such a problem - jobsworths etc. I got my 20 week scan date through and am hols - managed to change it to the following week no problem. Plus because I need a consultant appt - they wrote to me with the date - I didn't have to chase them.... I guess sometimes it just depends on where you are and whether the particular staff member you deal with on that day has any human fibres at all!!

Have a better weekend.

Swineflu .... just found out that my DSs best friend has swine flu, plus another 5 in his class at school. The BF of DS also has a brother in my DD's class - as a "high risk case" being both pregnant and asthmatic can't wait for school to finish on Tuesday and hopefully keep out of the danger zone!!! As for sockmonkey and quirkychick, I've been exhausted since day 1 pretty much and have to schedule in an afternoon nap every day. How v v sad is that? This week has been particularly busy so I can't wait for the weekend and some imaginary lie-ins.... trouble is DH is out on the p*ss tonight, so I feel I may not get the lie-in tomorrow due to his undoubted comatose state!

Hello

So I skived this afternoon off work, just went awol after lunch!

Used time to take stuff into hospital where DD spent half the year (toys etc for intensive care and ward) and people were shocked that I am pregnant, apparently I don't look it at all!! !! I thought I was huge! I don't even think they believed me, in fact!

I then went to book my mw and consultant appt as instructed to do at my booking appointment- and the --old hag-- nice lady at the desk refused to book a consultants appointment for me, even though the midwife had specified I had to see one by 20 weeks due to history of cholestasis and pre-eclampsia. So she booked a midwife instead!

Wtf??!! I am so annoyed! Then I booked my scan, she (different lady) said it's policy to not book scans until 22 weeks- got my name totally wrong and was very rude when I told her I am very busy on september 3rd (court case- not against me!! but essential I attend!) aaargh

sorry, vent over! phew! feel so much better now!

sockmonkey I too am exhausted. I fell asleep on the sofa while dd was playing in the room today and woke up an hour later as she said "I'm hungry, mummy" . Pasta is cooking as I type.

I think we are going to have to reinstate "quiet time" after lunch. So mummy can have a sleep! Trying to catch up with some friends, do some things with dd and get some general stuff done like dentist appt. I hope I start to feel a little more energetic soon.

I am feeling exhausted... the boys have only been off school for 2 days. I had been having a nice nap in the afternoon while DS2 was at nursery. How am I going to cope with 6 weeks without napping???
Hopefully the tiredness will wear off at some point, or else I'll be going to bed with the children. I don't think it helps that DS2 still gets up most nights (he's almost 4 now...when will he sleep through?!)

My scan gave me the 18th as my due date... guess I'll have to move out of the popular 24th spot (was the bank holiday weekend to blame there do we think? )
In my head I'm still due 24th. Both my boys were over a week late anyway.

Afternoon all - I'm updating the list as realised I hadn't put myself on it. My LMP due date is 14/1/10, but by last scan, they say 7th Jan - so that's what I'm putting down here - although I still firmly believe its more like 14th!!

1 singalongamumum (DS 18mth)
1 Alibobins (DS5 DD9)
1 ClaireDB (1st baby)
2 Lisylou1980
3 salvadory (1st Baby)
3 liny
3 sunshinejanuary 1st Baby - South London
3 Bethoo (DS 2 DD 8 mon)- Wiltshire
4 pepa (DS 3.5, DD 18mth) Toronto, Canada
5 Dizzyclarebear (1st baby) - SE london
5 timmette (DS 3)
6 oomska (DD 13mo)
6 crumpette (2nd DC)
6 gizzy1973 (1st baby)
7 lynneevans51 (DS 10 yr; DD 6 yr) - N Ldn
8 STA1mum (DS15mth)
10 Zen1980 (1st baby)
10 lizzylu (DS 14mths)
10 Somewhathorrified
10 kittykat765 (DS 19mth) Bristol
11 Katiei (DS)
11 anastaisia (dd b2005)
11 lilacpink (DD 3)
12 roastbeef
13 skidoodle (DD 13mo)
13 LessThenIdeal
13 Sleepingalot, Sheffield
13 londonlottie (1st baby) - London SE5/SE22
15 lynchy09 (DS14mth)
15 Sersi (DS1 6, DS2 4) HERTS
15 Worriedunfortunately (DD 4y)
16 DesertFairy (DD3)
16 ampster (DS 11mo)
16 ILoveDolly
17 slightlybonkers (DS 3yo)
17 MrsStripey (DS15mo)
17 Liskey (1st baby)
18 alfiesmadmother (DS1 7,DS2 5 and DS3 3)
18 dal21 (DS 20 mths)
18 Southwestwhippet (First baby)
20 sooooexcited (DS 2)
20 showmethemummy (2 DCs)
20 verytiredmummy (DS)
20 Totalmisfit (DD 3.4) Norfolk
21 quirkychick (DD 3.5) Norfolk
23 AutumnAir (1st baby)
24 Sazlocks (DS 18mo), Shropshire
24 Blocka (DD 32mo), North East
24 Laura233
24 coffeeicecream (DS 9mo), NW London
24 MamaLazarou (1st baby)
24 Biccy (DD 3)
25 FlightofFancy (1st baby), Surrey
25 Noodlesforbreakfast
25 Iateallthecreameggsyummy
29 helenabeth (DS1 4.5, DS2 20mths)
29 Mowmi (1st baby) Surrey
30 nervoussara, Brighton
30 (or thereabouts!) anniemac (DD 4)
31 laurawantsababy (DD 11mo)
31 IrrationalMother (DS 18mo)
[?] Miss Chatterbox (DD1 4 DD2 2)
[?] Beanz2 (DS 13mo)
[?] Fififorgot, South

The ones that have lost their little ones:
VivClicqot
beanieb
coffeeandcarrotcake
Rainbowdays
EsmeandDante
bluespix77
AmyLou32
st arshaker
The Kurgan

Biccy i have tried telling her that bless her. she told me this mornign that she had sterilised her whole house and even sterilised the kids before they came into her house, this was said as i was handing her my snotty nosed cold riddled 9 month old! she is a good childminder dont get me wrong but such a worrybum (said lovingly!), we are different in that i beleive in letting children build defences where as the first sign of illness she is at drs demanding some sort of drug. if my lo has a cough/runny nose/constipation she is calling me tellng me i must take her to gp directly for antibiotics. she has her son on some laxative prescribefd by the dr for his constipation adn recommends i do the same. talk about forcing your beliefs on others. i think she must think i dont love my kids or something! but i am sure i could spot the difference between something minor and something serious, well i like to think i could. but she is good at her job in that she is cautious like that but i find it hard to get it across to her that all is well and no need for nedical intervention for constipation or a runny nose bless her

Good news sazlocks - welcome to 24th Jan!

I can't get over your childminder bethoo, scare mongering like that. I haven't heard anything like that - the latest was 1 in 200 people who seek medical advice, i.e. a lot less than 1 in 200 who actually get the virus as loads of people aren't ill enough to bother calling the doc, and some people get it and have no symptons at all. So, erm, no more deadly than the normal flu we all risk getting every year.

not so blooming today as have a stinking cold! my childminder is such a panicker telling me to call gp immedietly as i have symptoms of swine flu! then saying that 1 in 4 kids will get it and die! cheers hun!

Working from home today as i am feeling particularly sick. yuk! Still at least it makes me think the little tyke must still be there.
Hope all you ladies are feeling lovely and blooming today!

Just updating again - my due date is actually still 13 January... the sonographer who told me we were having twins said that it would automatically be brought back to late December but since then the midwives/sonographers have all said that no, it's still 13 January, if we make it that far!

1 singalongamumum (DS 18mth)
1 Alibobins (DS5 DD9)
1 ClaireDB (1st baby)
2 Lisylou1980
3 salvadory (1st Baby)
3 liny
3 sunshinejanuary 1st Baby - South London
3 Bethoo (DS 2 DD 8 mon)- Wiltshire
4 pepa (DS 3.5, DD 18mth) Toronto, Canada
5 Dizzyclarebear (1st baby) - SE london
5 timmette (DS 3)
6 oomska (DD 13mo)
6 crumpette (2nd DC)
6 gizzy1973 (1st baby)
8 STA1mum (DS15mth)
10 Zen1980 (1st baby)
10 lizzylu (DS 14mths)
10 Somewhathorrified
10 kittykat765 (DS 19mth) Bristol
11 Katiei (DS)
11 anastaisia (dd b2005)
11 lilacpink (DD 3)
12 roastbeef
13 skidoodle (DD 13mo)
13 LessThenIdeal
13 Sleepingalot, Sheffield
13 londonlottie (1st baby) - London SE5/SE22
15 lynchy09 (DS14mth)
15 Sersi (DS1 6, DS2 4) HERTS
15 Worriedunfortunately (DD 4y)
16 DesertFairy (DD3)
16 ampster (DS 11mo)
16 ILoveDolly
17 slightlybonkers (DS 3yo)
17 MrsStripey (DS15mo)
17 Liskey (1st baby)
18 alfiesmadmother (DS1 7,DS2 5 and DS3 3)
18 dal21 (DS 20 mths)
18 Southwestwhippet (First baby)
20 sooooexcited (DS 2)
20 showmethemummy (2 DCs)
20 verytiredmummy (DS)
20 Totalmisfit (DD 3.4) Norfolk
21 quirkychick (DD 3.5) Norfolk
23 AutumnAir (1st baby)
24 Sazlocks (DS 18mo), Shropshire
24 Blocka (DD 32mo), North East
24 Laura233
24 coffeeicecream (DS 9mo), NW London
24 MamaLazarou (1st baby)
24 Biccy (DD 3)
25 FlightofFancy (1st baby), Surrey
25 Noodlesforbreakfast
25 Iateallthecreameggsyummy
29 helenabeth (DS1 4.5, DS2 20mths)
29 Mowmi (1st baby) Surrey
30 nervoussara, Brighton
30 (or thereabouts!) anniemac (DD 4)
31 laurawantsababy (DD 11mo)
31 IrrationalMother (DS 18mo)
[?] Miss Chatterbox (DD1 4 DD2 2)
[?] Beanz2 (DS 13mo)
[?] Fififorgot, South

The ones that have lost their little ones:
VivClicqot
beanieb
coffeeandcarrotcake
Rainbowdays
EsmeandDante
bluespix77
AmyLou32
st arshaker
The Kurgan

Filling up the thread - sorry but I realised that the list I posted missed off all our friends from the bottom of the list that have lost their little beans.

? londonlottie - early cos it's twins! (1st baby) - London SE5/SE22
1 singalongamumum (DS 18mth)
1 Alibobins (DS5 DD9)
1 ClaireDB (1st baby)
2 Lisylou1980
3 salvadory (1st Baby)
3 liny
3 sunshinejanuary 1st Baby - South London
3 Bethoo (DS 2 DD 8 mon)- Wiltshire
4 pepa (DS 3.5, DD 18mth) Toronto, Canada
5 Dizzyclarebear (1st baby) - SE london
5 timmette (DS 3)
6 oomska (DD 13mo)
6 crumpette (2nd DC)
6 gizzy1973 (1st baby)
8 STA1mum (DS15mth)
10 Zen1980 (1st baby)
10 lizzylu (DS 14mths)
10 Somewhathorrified
10 kittykat765 (DS 19mth) Bristol
11 Katiei (DS)
11 anastaisia (dd b2005)
11 lilacpink (DD 3)
12 roastbeef
13 skidoodle (DD 13mo)
13 LessThenIdeal
13 Sleepingalot, Sheffield
15 lynchy09 (DS14mth)
15 Sersi (DS1 6, DS2 4) HERTS
15 Worriedunfortunately (DD 4y)
16 DesertFairy (DD3)
16 ampster (DS 11mo)
16 ILoveDolly
17 slightlybonkers (DS 3yo)
17 MrsStripey (DS15mo)
17 Liskey (1st baby)
18 alfiesmadmother (DS1 7,DS2 5 and DS3 3)
18 dal21 (DS 20 mths)
18 Southwestwhippet (First baby)
20 sooooexcited (DS 2)
20 showmethemummy (2 DCs)
20 verytiredmummy (DS)
20 Totalmisfit (DD 3.4) Norfolk
21 quirkychick (DD 3.5) Norfolk
23 AutumnAir (1st baby)
24 Sazlocks (DS 18mo), Shropshire
24 Blocka (DD 32mo), North East
24 Laura233
24 coffeeicecream (DS 9mo), NW London
24 MamaLazarou (1st baby)
24 Biccy (DD 3)
25 FlightofFancy (1st baby), Surrey
25 Noodlesforbreakfast
25 Iateallthecreameggsyummy
29 helenabeth (DS1 4.5, DS2 20mths)
29 Mowmi (1st baby) Surrey
30 nervoussara, Brighton
30 (or thereabouts!) anniemac (DD 4)
31 laurawantsababy (DD 11mo)
31 IrrationalMother (DS 18mo)
[?] Miss Chatterbox (DD1 4 DD2 2)
[?] Beanz2 (DS 13mo)
[?] Fififorgot, South

The ones that have lost their little ones:
VivClicqot
beanieb
coffeeandcarrotcake
Rainbowdays
EsmeandDante
bluespix77
AmyLou32
st arshaker
The Kurgan

Hi Sazlocks,

Glad all was well at the scan

cheers lilac - had a big, fat calzone pizza so not a drop of cream or grind of pepper in sight !

Have updated the list as my EDD has changed. I am joining the most popular EDD of 24th Jan

? londonlottie - early cos it's twins! (1st baby) - London SE5/SE22
1 singalongamumum (DS 18mth)
1 Alibobins (DS5 DD9)
1 ClaireDB (1st baby)
2 Lisylou1980
3 salvadory (1st Baby)
3 liny
3 sunshinejanuary 1st Baby - South London
3 Bethoo (DS 2 DD 8 mon)- Wiltshire
4 pepa (DS 3.5, DD 18mth) Toronto, Canada
5 Dizzyclarebear (1st baby) - SE london
5 timmette (DS 3)
6 oomska (DD 13mo)
6 crumpette (2nd DC)
6 gizzy1973 (1st baby)
8 STA1mum (DS15mth)
10 Zen1980 (1st baby)
10 lizzylu (DS 14mths)
10 Somewhathorrified
10 kittykat765 (DS 19mth) Bristol
11 Katiei (DS)
11 anastaisia (dd b2005)
11 lilacpink (DD 3)
12 roastbeef
13 skidoodle (DD 13mo)
13 LessThenIdeal
13 Sleepingalot, Sheffield
15 lynchy09 (DS14mth)
15 Sersi (DS1 6, DS2 4) HERTS
15 Worriedunfortunately (DD 4y)
16 DesertFairy (DD3)
16 ampster (DS 11mo)
16 ILoveDolly
17 slightlybonkers (DS 3yo)
17 MrsStripey (DS15mo)
17 Liskey (1st baby)
18 alfiesmadmother (DS1 7,DS2 5 and DS3 3)
18 dal21 (DS 20 mths)
18 Southwestwhippet (First baby)
20 sooooexcited (DS 2)
20 showmethemummy (2 DCs)
20 verytiredmummy (DS)
20 Totalmisfit (DD 3.4) Norfolk
21 quirkychick (DD 3.5) Norfolk
23 AutumnAir (1st baby)
24 Sazlocks (DS 18mo), Shropshire
24 Blocka (DD 32mo), North East
24 Laura233
24 coffeeicecream (DS 9mo), NW London
24 MamaLazarou (1st baby)
24 Biccy (DD 3)
25 FlightofFancy (1st baby), Surrey
25 Noodlesforbreakfast
25 Iateallthecreameggsyummy
29 helenabeth (DS1 4.5, DS2 20mths)
29 Mowmi (1st baby) Surrey
30 nervoussara, Brighton
30 (or thereabouts!) anniemac (DD 4)
31 laurawantsababy (DD 11mo)
31 IrrationalMother (DS 18mo)
[?] Miss Chatterbox (DD1 4 DD2 2)
[?] Beanz2 (DS 13mo)
[?] Fififorgot, South

Congrats Sazlocks, I'm also impressed you were able to eat in an Italian restaurant, but then again that's because black pepper and cream still make me feel queesy (funnily enough cheese is one of my cravings tho!).

Clothing-wise I'm wearing about 50:50, but the 50% non-mat are my bigger size 12-14 clothes. I'm going to be a Bridesmaid in a few weeks, I tried the dress on about 3 weeks ago and had room to undo the zip by quite a way - and top v adjustable and overlaps skirt - (so fingers really tightly crossed and I'll pick it up soon).

After having a bit of bump denial, I really love it now, anyone else enjoying the feel of their bump?

Evening all - had our nuchal scan this afternoon and all fine. Risk is about 1 in 7300 ish which is about the only similarity between me and a teenager !
Apart from that the bean had everything it should have had, everything in the right place and I am the proud owner of some lovely pics.
DH, DS and I went out for a slap up italian to celebrate ad I have rather attractively spent the last hour dozing on the sofa !!
hope all well with everyone else.

Evening all,

I haven't gone up a bra size but my nipps are still really painful. I hope they don't get too much bigger, i already can't see my feet!

Quirky Chick - i understand the carvings, weirdly a week or so ago i could not stop thinking about scotch eggs! They are a bit wrong!

bethoo didn't quite mean shoplifting cheap . I think I may need to go to a bigger town to find somethings. I went in local(ish)New look, but they don't sell maternity. Went all over my nearest town and found no maternity stuff at all. I guess a trip to Northampton (20 miles away) is in order, they have all the shops you mentioned.

Congratulation mowmi what a relief for you!

Am still being sick in the mornings but the last 2 days I have discovered my appetite, for sausage rolls and pork pies will have to cap that one on the head if I don't want to end up like an elephant!

I am definitely much bigger (2nd pg) but maternity clothes are still too big. I have some bigger stuff from last time and have bought some white stuff sale tunic/kaftans and a boden sale tunic as a treat. I will live in them until I am too big and ready for maternity stuff.

Will have to get some new bras too, last time's maternity bras are either too big or the earlier ones are too small. I can only fit in 1 underwired one still. Will go and browse the seraphine sale. I think mamas&papas have a sale too.

Thanks maygirl for tip off on M&S t-shirt bras - I'm not big in to frills and lace so those sound perfect. Am hitting the shops this weekend to try and make the most of the sales for a few tunic style tops and wrappy cardis. Am OK in bigger size trousers at the moment, though anything fitted is too tight at the waist by mid-afternoon. Buying a size up does give that nice clown effect round the crotch though! Might have to see whether I'm being ridiculous and try on some maternity ones... gulp!

last time I was pg I got stuff in big sizes from Primark and some stuff on ebay.

somewhathorrified- i tended to buy clothes like tops tha wree on sale in normal shops that wre a size bigger and did not mind stretching. i still have a lovely top from Warehouse size 10 that i will wear in this pregnatcy. but H&M are reasonable though i accidetnly shoplifted a pair of maternity leggings from there last year! so very cheap but New Look are excellent esp if there is a sale on as i got some lovely jeans for under £20 and also DP sales! i just hit the sales as i too see no point in buying expensive clothes that will only wear a short period, though of course had o known i would have had 2 kids straight after i may have splashed out a bit more!! lol

great news Mowmi xx

my boobs ahve not changed at all so still in my pretty (?) underwire.

of course i look like that lady blow drying her hair....not. talk about making one feel like shit! andi doubt i will look like that after my third!!!

but i must gloat i am still wearing my size 8 clothes though i am cheating as they are low waisted and big for size .

feelign normal though am still absolutely shattered on an evening!

Lynne bless, that sounds horrendous. My heart really does go out to you. I've had 1 bout of hormonal outburst, which luckily I recognised within mins and had time to apologise to DH, before I said something too bad. But that shocked the hell out of me.

Does anyone know where you can pick up cheap maternity clothes from (shops not on-line)? I'm reluctant to spend loads of money on clothes I only wear for a couple of months, when I say cheap I'm thinking Primark cheap.

great news Mowmi - really pleased for you and hope the other scan is just a formality.

On the subject of bras and bewbies - don't want to scare anyone - but I went to a 32JJ after my second, having BF and they refused to go back down. They looked pretty weird on a 9st frame so I ended up under the knife and had a breast reduction 3 years ago. Best thing I ever did.... and of course thought I'd finished my childbearing. It was my biggest fear this time - growing huge again. Thankfully thus far have only increased across the back and marginally in the cup. They stopped being sore around 8-9 weeks and now just feel like they are getting heavier.

As for the rest of pg symptoms - I think I've had everything that's going so far. I had my first scan at 7 weeks because we seriously thought I might be carrying multiples - or further on. So - nausea and complete and utter exhaustion continues (now at 15 weeks and due 7/1/09) and can only be described as a permanent hangover plus flu type virus ie you just feel wretched and groan on the sofa a lot; Spots - humph - I never have spots, now can't get rid of them; Had SPD after birth of 2nd - think that's on its way back again; dry/itchy eyes; of course hayfever that I can take nothing for; cravings for weird stuff and just food in general; plus to top it all, because I feel to awful have turned into an absolute bitch from hell!!!!

I blame the hormones of course but wonder how long it will be before DH decides that "who's the daddy" quote might be a bit misplaced after all.....

Now off out to visit friends and hopefully not throw up in the car today!!

Have a good one all.

Biccy - those bras @ Seraphine are gorgeous. My DH nearly spat his coffee out though when he saw the pictures in their catalogue and started ranting about how ridiculous it is to make women feel as though they have to continue to be sexy when they're going through pg/childbirth/breastfeeding. Unfortunately as I've got 36FF bewbies I don't think their bras are going to fit me but I'm still on the lookout for something relatively attractive. Think a trip to Bravissimo might be in order.

Speaking of boobs, mine are almost completely back to normal now, after weeks of being really sore and swollen. I presume it's because progesterone levels tail off (or have I just made that up?) after the first three months or so. My sickness has gone too, and I'm only up once in the night to go to the loo rather than the three times it used to be a few weeks back. Am still dog-tired though, and have a distinctly enlarged tum. Went a bit bonkers in H&M the other day and now have a glut of maternity clothes..... so comfy!

Mowmi I am so pleased. Hope you can relax now!

DS1 thinks I should call this one "Flame King" I'm thinking I may not consult him in the future. LOL

My boobs have not changed at all as far as I can tell. Although before I had DS1 I was a 34B, and after the 2 boys I'm now 34DD so maybe I've done all the growing I'm going to.

Great news Mowmi!

Glad all ok Mowmi.

I'm twelve weeks now and have dating scan Friday.

Bra-wise, smaller ladies, M+S t-shirt bras come in non-wired option with slight padding, and have nice slim straps. Not v pretty though. I'm not uncomfortable this time so still wearing wired, making sure they fit well. Last pregnancy was in sports bras by 5 weeks as really sore and they didn't do maternity bras in my small size ! Boobs must know they can function this time and not changing too much!

Going to treat myself to HOTMilk bra when DC arrives and I have a decent cleavage!

Good luck to others still to have scans, the end of Jan EDD mums!

So glad to hear your news Mowmi

Biccy very good - ha ha ha - that woman has never had a baby! What bad advertising. I struggled to even brush my hair after having DD, let alone think of styling it.

Mowmi many congrats, hope everyone elses' tests go well too.

jardin after periods of feeling sick and dry retching I often had the runs. I thought my body assumed I must have a bug to get rid of and that it had to push it out one way or the other (sorry if TMI). Like Biccy things have calmed down recently for me. I have periods where I feel so normal I forget I'm pregnant.

I'm thinking it must be a boy, as at this stage with DD I was starting acupuncture and had been on pills for weeks after constant sickness.

I am definitely starting to look quite noticeably pregnant - will be 12 weeks on Friday. Dressing in the mornings is becoming incredibly difficult. If I wear tight things and don't hold my stomach in very carefully I look about 4-5 months pregnant!

Just wish my scan date would hurry up - I can't stand this limbo of not knowing whether I can relax start enjoying this pregnancy any longer. I just feel that I can't take anything for granted until I have the scan - just worrying about everything - it was so different last time around.

One more agonising week to go until I find out if this bean is ok.

Am starting to feel less sick and think I recognise what Biccy describes but until the scan I just can't relax at all. Not allowing myself to be postive...

Okay, on the bra front, there are some really lovely bras on Seraphine (at rather un-me prices, but perhaps I could tempt DP to buy me a present)... but, I am always amused by the way nursing bras are presented, e.g.

I of course looked just like this when I was nursing... and had loads of time for styling my hair...

actually, hold the hat buying, it's jersey, and they don't have my size...

Just looking at Seraphine and saw the wedding dress... does anyone else think it's gorgeous? I am really quite tempted to propose and organise a quick do...

mowmi what great news, I'm so pleased for you must be a great relief after all the stress.

Biccy I'm quite jealous (not of the boss saying you look massive) must be really nice to feel yourself again. I miss that. Today was the best day in a while though, perhaps it's coming.

LOL at the baby called Mummy whose ds wanted to call the baby Auntie Liz? Kids are great

Biccy - when I was pg with my first 10 years ago there was a girl at work (who I detested anyway) who made a point of commenting every time she saw me about the size of my bump and impending childbirth. Comments such as you must be having an elephant instead of a baby made me have rather odd, but satisfying dreams about flushing her head down the toilets at work!!!! If its any consolation, I looked a good 5 months gone at 7 weeks pg and had similar comments. Stuff the lot of them.

And lynnevans, I'm sorry, I keep rambling on about myself, and keep forgetting to welcome you to the thread!

misschatterbox, lol at calling the baby 'mummy', that's genius!

Don't worry crumpette, I would rather see the funny side of it than let it increase my already growing wobbliness about my body image. It is pretty bad really coming from an employer, but, that siad, it's not an ordinary workplace I don't think... I started there when I was 21 and it was just three young blokes starting a company, and I've pretty much been there since (had a brief sortie into the corporate world, but quickly scurried back to the cosiness of small company make-your-own-culture-ness), so 13 years on they are friends as well as employers, so, the lines can get very blurred sometimes. And I can be equally rude to him without fear of recriminations, and will take the next opportunity, gleefully.

I am sorry to those of us still feeling grim, but, I just wanted to share the amazing feeling of feeling like me again. I suddenly noticed at some point this afternoon that that had happened. Quite hard to explain, but it was 'ah, there I am, I'm back'. And it's worth the wait - a bit like when you feel better after being poorly, it always makes me appreciate how good I normally feel. Just hope it lasts...

Biccy - that's just mean....you need to start plotting ways to get your revenge!

Well my dd 2yrs has suggested that we name the baby 'Mummy'. Dh thought this was a brilliant idea, as when they start screaming for me, we'll just leave it up to baby to deal with them

I have to say biccy if it happened to me though I would not find it amusing I find in maternity clothes I look more pregnant than I should do at the moment and in normal clothes I just look fat and dumpy!

mowmi - woo to you!!!

biccy that's really funny!! and unreasonable of an employer, of course. any hair loss or ageing you can pull him up on in revenge?

mowmi that is excellent news

am currently munching bagels om nom nom and planning what to eat next!

work are very frosty indeed but claim to have reinstated my usual salary now, a 'mistake' apparently!

oh and welcome to lynneevans most of this thread is probably me venting about work, my weight, my cravings...etc etc! sorry!

Fab news mowmi, and glad they got you the result so quickly.

I succumbed to maternity bras last Friday as my too small wired efforts meant my boobs were killing me when I took them off... also had a moan about why maternity seems to need to be dead plain and cover up every square inch of those fab mammaries (one of the best things about being pregnant, for us usually smaller breasted types, is the marvellous cleavage you get for a bit....).

I got a bit upset yesterday after one of the directors at work saw me as I put my cardi on to leave and said 'oh god, you have got a big belly haven't you, how many weeks are you? 12? I thought it wasn't meant to show at all at this stage. Are you sure you're not just about to give birth? That is going to be a huuuuge baby.' WTF? He seriously needs some lessons in tact. And anatomy. And fetal development. It does show, but I most certainly and emphatically do not look 9 months pg. If I hadn't known him (and worked for him) for most of my adult life and wasn't therefore already well aware of his social shortcomings I would be seriously pissed off.

Right, well, better go and browse the Seraphine sale and see if I can spot anything that will make me look 6 months less pregnant...

Thanks mowmi - so pleased for you and DH.

Hi Ladies,

Just to let you know we've had the cvs results back from the hospital and they are clear - baby does not have ds or any other C abnormalities.
We are so relieved!
Got to have an extra cardiac scan soon but only to be safe.
Thanks for all your kind words...
Sazlocks - good luck for tomorrow - hope you sail through it.
Lottie - good luck for your scan on Friday

x

Try Anita feeding bras - breastfeeding bras with underwire

(sorry clicked on this by accident looking for my AN thread )

well, I went to M&S too and the woman said "it's up to you really what you buy but wire could damage your milk production" - so as a 1st timer, think I'll feel guilty enough if I can't BF without thinking it's my own fault for wanting fancy pants...

I've since been told it's ok if the wire doesn't touch any breast tissue... Thanks on the Elle McP tip - might see if i can find at least one pretty set for moments when I need a bit of glamour...

Re bumps/not yet - people who know me can tell, DH thinks I look pregnant and is being lovely about it, I think I just look I've eaten all the pies. Oh, and yesterday a man gave me his seat on the tube!

liny - shorts, I got some from New Look the other week (it's rained ever since), from their normal range but hipster so below bump. Really cheap so not end of world if get binned/retired early.

welcome lynneevans - agree we all seem to chat a lot - I find it quite hard to keep up.........
mamalazarou your day sounded perfect

A few people in work have started commenting that I look blossoming - surely a polite word of describing my pronounced belly - not at all helped by my latest staving off MS obsession which is buttered bagels. YUM YUM.
I alternate between underwired bras and hideous nursing bras. I pay for my underwired vanity at the end of the day as (TMI) my boobs hurt like buggery when I take it off.
Will post again after nuchal scan tomorrow. Officially bricking it not least of which the world, his wife, her best friend and first cousin once removed now know that I am pregnant......................

Hello All,

As usual i can't keep up with the thread! Though it is so nice to see all the positive news/scans/bumps going on!

Firstly, my tuppance worth on the swine flu - a friend on mine who is 24 weeks pregnant has just had a scare as her husband had swine flu. She was told that they do not give anything preventetive to anyone high risk but that the minute she had any flu like symptoms to go to her GP.

On the clothing front, i think i have mentioned before, i am a serious podger. So far my trousers are getting to tight but i just look fatter and not preggo and dont think maternity clothes woould fit me much better. I also know very few places that do larger size maternity gear. Trying not to worry about it too much although i have a wedding on Saturday and can get into neither of my two posh summer dresses, agh!

Sorry, me post

How do you all think of these fab nicknames?? I think I must be an ultra boring person as couldn't think of a single thing to put other than my real name!! Perhaps I should change it to "fatbird" - hmmmm - rather liking the sound of that....

I'm envious of you other 3rd timers with your fully formed bumps. I asked DH yesterday if I actually looked pregnant yet or just fat... and he said "I decline to comment" So... that's fat then

I havent got the maternity stuff yet off my sister (we tend to pass it back and forth) so I have a nice elastic band holding the top of my trousers together under a long t-shirt.

Welcome Lynneevans. I was pretty late joining this thread too, but doing my best to keep up

Welcome Lynneevans! Congrats!

Hope everyone is doing ok. Re. the underwear, Elle Mcpherson intimates do some nice non wired lingerie, downside is that she doesnt go into huge cup sizes. But it is lovely!

Mamalazarou - no worries on the smug post! .You have captured how I felt.I had the day off work, DS was in nursery and following the scan had a lovely lunch and shopping trip! Lush!

Crumpette - How are your work being?

Jardin - I too like many on here veer between constipation and the runs to normal. Think it is normal. Just check that you are absorbing enough nutrients (when do they check iron levels) and drinking plenty of water.

Re the recommendations on clothing - I have seraphine stuff from last pregnancy and it wears well and is so comfy. Plan to pick a few more pieces up from them...they have a sale on now. I am tall and their trousers come in different lengths which is great!

I had a lovely day today. Was able to tell work and everyone was very happy for me. Quite a few had guessed already (my boss included). And not one 'was it planned?'
Fabulous!

lynneevans

the bloody cheek of them!

You should have said you wanted it for a friend

FlightofFancy I've been thinking of myself as looking plump rather than pregnant, but I caught sight of myself in a few shop windows at lunchtime, and I think I've edged over to having a bump.

I haven't told work yet, but now I'm wondering if they're all sitting there thinking "why doesn't she tell us when it's SO obvious?"

Sorry to those having migraines. Ouch, that sounds quite grim

Lynneevans - I've also had to move in to maternity clothes, also my 3rd, so bump is already obvious.
Next has some nice items and I got a lovely summer dress from H&M.

thanks lynneevans51, I was just on the website of dorothy perkins- found some short so will probably buy! saw a nice skirt and mamas and papas so I might pay them a visit next week- I was hoping to find a nice "normal" summer dress but I don't look good in all the ones I try..;-)))
Never mind, I might have to stick to pregnancy clothes...

Liny - I've been having migraine's every week since wk 7 - urrgggh - my sympathies. Paracetemol is all - and its just not good enough - of course doesn't even touch the head. I have now started having Indian head massage every couple of weeks and that seems to be helping - together with applying some Vics vapour rub on chest to clear a bit of congestion I had with hayfever - still getting heavy heads - but not migraine strength as regular.

Recommendations for clothes - Dorothy Perkins and Mamas & Papas!! Found some great clothes in both of them - indeed, so great I ended up spending about £500.... DH not so happy - but hey, it's his fault anyway!!

yep, did the bra thing at M&S yesterday and they are not sexy... haven't shown them to DH yet ;-)
found one that looks ok but the other is not as nice, BUT they are very comfortable and it is nice to fit in a bra again, went up 2 cups..

Now trying to find some shorts or trousers for the summer as I'm giving up on my normal clothes... any recommendations before I look on the net?

Suffered yesterday with migraine, slightly better today, any advice?

Thanks for the warning on M&S! Will just not mention pregnant when I go in there on Saturday, am just on the plump side! Have had a look at non underwire, but am on the small side (even now!) so just look completely flat-chested without (and of course the concept of non underwide and padded is utterly beyond them).
Have read a couple of places that suggest that as long as underwire fits properly and is comfy, it shouldn't be a problem.

Oh yes - good old Marks & Spencers today told me they could not bring me underwired bras to try on because I told them I was pregnant!

I've been in full on maternity clothes since 8 weeks pg - being the 3rd I have been shockingly showing for ages now - however, the good thing at 15 weeks is that the large wobbly bump I had is now filling with hard stuff and indeed, even watching BLOB wriggle across my tummy today. Have been feeling the movements since 12 weeks but can now see them too.

Sorry - that was a bit of a random comment after bras!

welcome lynneevans to the generic due 2010 list

"However, of course staff can't actually sell you wired bras once they know"

Huh? Are you kidding? Lots of people think there's no problem at all with wearing underwires while pregnant.

I'm in sports bras because that's what I found comfortable last time (was in agony then, no problems this go around) and I'm happy with it. Have you really found people unwilling to sell you underwired bras because you're pregnant? When I lived in the states I worked in a maternity shop and we sold underwired maternity bras (and nursing bras).

Dizzyclarebear I'm in my last time bras so far as I just haven't found the time to shop for new ones. The first time I slipped on the lovely properly-sized non-wired bra I thought I might give the bra lady a big snog for making me so comfortable.

My underwear almost never matches anyway, so I am just impressed that you are in a position to be sad about not doing it now I'm not enjoying feeling fat and bag-eyed either. We're really on the cusp of having bumps, so soon we'll all look gorgeous (for a while).

lynneevans welcome to the mad house !

dizzyclarebear I'm currently trying to avoid the maternity wear issue...literally, I turned the laptop on to have a look at picking some things up, but got easily distracted and came on here instead. I really am going to have to go and do it...wish me luck!

I finally had my booking in appointment with the mw, at 12wks. Too late to book a nuchal scan on the NHS, so I've booked a private scan for next Wednesday.

Thanks Dizzyclarebear. I bought my first non-wired bras today. I had a breast reduction op 3 years ago so the thought of boobs getting bigger again does not fill me with glee and indeed, it really doesn't matter if I have non-wired or not as my milk production is likely to be minimal. However, of course staff can't actually sell you wired bras once they know - or you disclose you're PG - so ugly non-wired bras I now have....

<waves to jardins>

Here the cut off is 1/250 for an offer of amniocentesis if that helps. I am waiting for the triple test to see if it lowers my risk and then make the decision. Last night the consultant told me that an amnio gives you a definite answer as does cvs. Cvs is more risky re mc so it is offered if the nuchal results in a very high risk so bypassing the blood test.

Welcome lynneevans51 this is the due jan 2010!

ps Er, I meant to write 'we moveD to Tours a week ago'. BTW my nuchal measurement is 1.09 mm which, the doctor said, was very good. (Never thought before I'd gloat about a nuchal skin test.)

Lynneevans51 - I think you've just joined us Jan 2010's If you go back a few pages you'll find a list of who's due when, copy, paste in a message and add yourself in!

So, has anyone else had the soul distroying task of buying maternity/ non wired bras yet? Did someone decide that pg woman don't need underwear to be the slightest bit attractive and certainly never matching? Just a bit depressing that I look fat, have bags under my eyes from constant sleepiness and can't even wear pretty underwear

Wow Biccy thank you for that complete answer to my question. I am impressed by how knowledgeable you are. The 1/344 is based on the nuchal measurements together with all other sundrie measurements at the 12 week scan. The doctor then plugged all these into his softwear together with my age and got the magic number. He told me the blood tests would not be necessary and seemed to suggest that, although it was clearly my choice, the amiocentisis might not be necessary either. When I register at the hospital or clinic (here in Tours - we move a week ago) I will have an appointment with a genetics specialist to help me make the best decision.

Thanks again Biccy.

Hi everyone - I'm new on here and due 7 Jan 2010.... but how on earth do I join your threads/club here? It's quite full and it seems like you all know each other - or are in midst of conversation....is there a generic DUE JAN 2010 area do you know?????

Hi all
Jardins, I'm afraid I haven't really had the runs - I'm more the other way. But, when things do move and I do have to go, I really have to go right then, and, erm, despite feeling constipated, am softer than normal. Sorry if that's TMI, but you asked!

On the amnio front, I don't know what to say, it's all such a tricky subject. Is 1 in 344 a risk based on bloods or a combined test, or is it your background risk for your age? My background risk is 1:450 (or thereabouts), but I had the combined test (nuchal measurement, combined with weight, age and bloods) and was adjusted to 1:8700. So, I suppose I would say if you are just going by your age, and you are concerned, then try and get an adjusted risk? My information said that the combined test picks up 95% of high risk pregnancies, with the blood test alone picking up only 65%. But you've got to do the nuchal measurement before 14 weeks I think.

Erm, I'd also say that you only had a 1 in 8 chance of your pregnancy reaching this point - don't know if that helps put into perspective the kind of risk 1 in 344 is? It's still very small in percentage terms (0.3% if I've done my sums right), while the amnio carries a risk 0.5%to 1% of spontaneous miscarriage. And I think I'm right in saying that an amnio still only gives you a probability, not a definite answer. I think a chorionic villus sampling is more accurate, and carries a similar risk of miscarriage. I also believe that you can get stats for particular clinics, so you can choose to go somewhere with a low miscarriage rate.

bethoo I wondered a similar thing...being that all humans grow at different rates, how can they give you a due date, surely it should be specified that it's just a guesstimate.

jardins that sounds horrible, but if it's happened all the way through I doubt it's anything other than what your body does. You could look at your diet, see if you can get some more 'binding' foods in there...rice with everything. keep an eye on your hydration levels, water and salt.

Thanks bethoo for reassuring me. I was beginning to feel a little abnormal: you hear about constipation all the time, but the runs? Hmmmm. At least it keeps the weight gain down . I'm not dehydrated as I am drinking plenty of water. It's just a little bit stressful when you go somewhere .... and SUDDENLY you need the toilet!

Just out of curiosity has anyone else got the runs?

Concerning the nuchal fold test I think it's just as good to do the blood test bethoo. I too only had the latter option with my past pregnancies.

My dilemna now is whether to do the amiocentisis as I am 40 with a 1 in 344 risk. Has anyone else got some figures to throw at me so that I can think seriously about this issue, please? It is so hard for my to THINK when I'm pregnant.)

Hi all,
Had my scan this morning - and all well! Was absolutely bricking it, as have found this all too easy so far, so had convinced myself I'd made it all up! However, one very wriggly little one performing for the camera. Very freaked out by seeing the jaw bones making eating movements - little bit of an 'urgghh alien' moment!
Haven't got full risk percentage for Downs yet, as they only took bloods for test today, but nuchal measurement was 1.7, which Google tells me (!) is OK. Length of 68.8 at 12.+4, so long at the moment. All very exciting!
We're not going to tell anyone until I get blood results back in the next week or so, just in case. Need to work out how to tell parents without essentially announcing 'we've been having sex' (I'm in my 30s and married, so it shouldn't come as a shock, but still feels odd!!)

jardins i have to admit that i get the 'runs' throughout my pregnancy if it is not constipation it is the other! i think it is jsut a hormonal thing. my mw looked at me blankly when i asked her why i had it but then this is my third pregnancy and so it is the norm for me. jsut keep your fluid intake up really.
i appear to be the only one who did not have a nuchal fold test done as we are not offered it at all, you have to go private for that, instead we have the triple blood test when they do your bloods and take into acount your age on conceiving etc. only then if it is high risk do they recommend further assesment.
when i had my scan she only measured the size of the head and put me forward a week so what if the baby just has a big head???

Good morning all,

I have a slightly embarrassing question to ask you all, which is connected to our friend, Morning Sickness' (mine is afternoon and evening and even night sickness, but what the hell). Apart from dry retching (yummy) I have been most fortunate not to throw up. HOWEVER since the early weeks I have had diarrhea, or loose stools most days. I have no other symptoms so am virtually certain there is no bug or food poisoning but I am getting a little weary of running to the toilet now that I am in my 12th week. Has anybody else experienced this? If so what have you been doing about it?

Best wishes to you all.

What makes me laugh is that when I saw the Dr, I was told it didn't matter where you live in the country you are offered the same services as everywhere else. I suspect he actually believed what he was saying as here we are pretty much offered everything as far as I can tell, although Chlamydia testing is limited to the under 25's, Oh and no mention of any NHS classes as yet.

crumpette totally know what you mean...am waiting for the outbreak of spots to clear and have no sign of lush thick hair yet. And the increase in speed of hairgrowth is only apparent on my legs! Am definitely thinking that the 'blooming' is a myth to counterbalance the ever decreasing self esteem.

Hello chicks. I would like to tell you about my wonderful day yesterday. We went for our 12-week scan and it was AMAZING to see the little critter wriggling around in there! I burst into tears when we heard the heartbeat - the most thrilling sound I have ever heard. The baby is 56mm long and looks like he/she has inherited my knobbly knees

When we got back, we made the 'official' announcements and phone calls to everyone - I updated my status on facebook and straight away, about 20 people congratulated us and so many of them remarked that we would be brilliant parents that I got a bit choked up. My best friend's mum said, 'Hooray - I'm going to be a Grandma!' which really made me

Then we embarked upon a Day Of Fun - museums, a posh dinner out and a comedy show in the evening. We feel so happy and lucky and blessed. Everything is wonderful.

Sorry for unbearable smugness of post. I hope you and your miniature creatures are all progressing well.

Oh and I agree NHS is bonkers- last time I lived ina different part of London which had no NHS classes 'wrong catchment area' and no NCT classes. Had to pay a fortune for private classes which were booked up 6 months in advance (I didn't go in the end) but what is up with that!?

hmpf

Hello all

Well congratulations to those with fab news wriggly beanie scans! Mowmi, I hope the wait for your cvs results is bearable. As others have said a 1 in 9 risk is still an 8 in 9 probability of the little one being fine. Quirkychick the triple test is very accurate so fingers crossed for you too.

So I am at work eating takeaway porridge, of all things, which is disturbingly cold and lumpy! Give me crumpets!!!

Pregnancy wise things are OK with me, I am getting bigger and my trousers (loose back in april/may) are now very very tight indeed.. getting to the leaving buttons undone stage.. don't want to fully dig out the maternity stuff as most of that is still too big! I hate this stage when it just looks like I've eaten too much and have a beer belly going on! I haven't felt the baby move for a week or more, although I was feeling it before (and it was definite movements as this is dc2). Very strange!
No worrying symptoms though, other than regular nasty semi-migraine headaches! I hope they go away, oh and my hair is falling out! It didn't do that last time, and I though pg hormones were meant to keep it beautiful and thick! I feel I have been misled and may be bald by the time it arrives!

Re swineflu, relenza is the only thing I would be happy to have if necessary. I would avoid having the vaccine, personally, unless completely essential as I wouldn't be happy unless it has been extensively trialled and as it is so new and still being manufactured I would worry having it in pregnancy. But I may be swayed, if I have to be.

Thanks for asking quirkychick, I was lucky, my adjusted risk was put lower than my background risk (I'm 34).

It's really interesting to hear how differently we are all treated, both NHS and privately, across the country.

Hope all goes well for you.

No Biccy it didn't! We went privately because you can only get it on NHS here if you are 40+yrs or have had a child with chromosomal disorders (ie high risk). Was not at all cheap and will cost again to have blood test. Can think of things I would much rather have spent the money on!!! Nuchal scans seem to be a real postcode lottery. How did yours go?

Hope that didn't sound patronising, the 'in case you can afford it bit' - I couldn't afford it, but luckily my mum offered to pay.

Thanks quirkychick, that is the same as I had done privately on Monday. It was very expensive, but they did it at 12+1 and it was all done there and then. (I only went private because there is no nuchal scan of any sort offered on the NHS here). Just thought I'd mention that in case you can afford a private one and would rather not wait.

And lilacpink!

Thanks Biccy,

they take the blood test for the triple test and "integrate" it on the computer with the information from the nuchal scan. I guess the risk factors are mother's age, thickness of nuchal fold and hormone levels. If the results are good it comes in the post, if not the consultant phones me up. But the blood test is not until I am 14wks, I am not 12+5 and I could have an amnio as early as 15wks if I was referred/wanted one.

I didn't think I would have a really low risk as I am 38, so I thought I would have a much higher one than dd which was in the 1000s!

Hi quirkychick, sorry I missed your post before I posted - hope the triple test comes out well.

Hi Dal

Useful info, particularly reading about Relenza as a safe inhaled treatment for Swine flu. Personally I would, like you, tend to opt to have a vaccine if available.

Info on vaccines as far as I know for anyone who may be interested: a vaccine is only the 'coating' of a virus, and not the 'live' portion. Our immune systems have innate (from birth) systems and faster-working developed systems (based on memory). Vaccines help the latter system. They trigger a safe reaction (creation of immune 'fighting' cells) to the foreign 'coat' and next time the virus attacks, the immune system is already prepared and quickly fights back. I'm happy to be corrected as haven't studied this area for years, but I believe all vaccines follow this general principle.

Hi quirkychick, sorry you're a bit in limbo now... what does the integrated triple test involve?

Hello everyone, I had my nuchal scan today which put me at 1:101 risk, so I am having an integrated triple test next week and hoping it will put me in a less than 1:250 risk. No abnormalities on the scan, but they couldn't tell the sex today, not clear enough. So, not a bad result but not a great result either.

Hoping your results are good this week, mowmi.

welcome back ClaireDB, great to hear your good scan news.

That's a bit rubbish about the NHS classes. I thought they were normally related to the hospital you were going to, so I don't understand how you aren't "in their area", but the NHS is a bit of a mystery to me.

I found the NHS classes OK but not super. I've heard great things about NCT ones, so hopefully you'll actually come out of this one on top. Apparently they're well worth the money.

Catching up with you all again. Sorry to those who have had bad news.

Has scan 2 weeks ago, was 14 weeks and saw him/her wave arms and legs and a heartbeat. Amazing. So there really is a baby in there.

Has anyone else not been able to get on any NHS antenatal classes? The doctor told me to ask the hospital. The hospital said I wasn't in their area and told me to ask at my doctors surgery. Then the doctor's surgery and GP said they had no information and to ask the hospital.

Once I'd been round this loop once I couldn't be bothered with the stress and booked some NCT classes instead. Shouldn't have given up so easily but have no time with work and trying to catch up on sleep and eating etc.

nhs advice

there is a specific section on swine flu in pregnancy.

Hi!!

Sazlocks - tis more likely that I am talking rubbish. Happens all the time. . You are probably right.

SWH and Biccy - yay on the scan fronts! Biccy - I have been way more nervous this time round than I was the first.

Dizzy - that is the first I have heard of that! How irritating.

I will get in touch with my friend in the next few days and see what she has to say.

I read today that the UK as bought a stock of a drug to bring temps down that you inhale (began with an 'r' but can't remember the name, and that doesn't reach the fetus, so is safe in pregnancy, though if you were really bad they would give you tamiflu.) Also read that a 'team of experts' have assessed the risk of a vaccine against the risk of having the flu while pregnant and come out on the side of the vaccine. Will be very interested to hear what your friend says, dal21 (and yes, thank you, I have been feeling much better today now the nuchal is out of the way! It's funny, because I didn't want that scan last time, and didn't worry...).

Good news somewhat, glad to hear it went well!

I am starting to get envious of you guys who are feeling your babies move... but I am only 12 weeks, so must be patient. Felt my first flutter at 17 weeks last time, so hoping it may be a bit earlier this time.

Oh dear, I can smell the dinner burning....

somewhathorrifed - fab news - great your DH is happy!!!!

I started another thread for a rant in pregnancy section - long story short, I'm being asked to prove entitlement to NHS treatment (they want Passport and Utility bill in my name, but oddly not NHS card... ) other MN-ers have told me not to worry, it's a normal London thing to ask all or a sample - not sure about policy in 'rest of world' outside M25 .

Just might be worth checking if you're going to have to produce docs and see if you can do it at another appointment rather than wait - I'm v annoyed I might have to take yet another morning off work for this. (will call again in morning and try to get appointment pre/post another appointment at hospital)

Hi guys, just got back from first scan. All good, am officially 14+3 wks, 9cm long and due on the 9th Jan. It was wriggling around so much the sonographer was having to chase it around!

I too have had the mouse running around feeling which I've found out is baby moving...it's all a bit surreal. DH can't stop grinning, bless him.

Have given up with clothes and have settled into drawstring comfies and leggings... did buy a size16 (normally a size 10-12 top)tunic type thing with room for an expanding bump, am feling lucky that they're "in" atm and are cheap and easy to get hold of.

hi all
Dal21 I could be talking rubbish but I think the high temps is a risk in the first trimester and the risk in the 2nd and 3rd is that fact that a respiratory illness like SF will reduce already compromised lung function.
I work in the NHS so am normally pretty sensible about these sort of things but I am starting to panic somewhat !
I have felt vomitous all day - not helped by a session round the supermarket followed by an hour and a half of soft play (shudder) with DS.

Hi everyone!

Biccy - so great you got to see your bub properly. I think your feelings will settle once you have the nuchal out of the way. I feel like a different person today - the nerves before the scan were definitely taking their toll.

Sunshine - hang in there, it could take until 16 weeks for the symptoms to fully go.

Mowmi - keeping fingers and toes crossed for you!

Sockmonkey - wise decision on keeping the DC's home.

Re. the swine flu - I plan to talk to a friend who works on the vaccine side (she too is pregnant and a very smart scientist) and see what her view on it is. I am more inclined to say that I will have itif offered it. I have only had full blown flu once in my life and it was horrendous. Everything hurt..I was in bed for 10 days and on constant drugs to keep temps down. I would dread to have something like that when pregnant. What could you take to keep temps down? And from what I understand...the biggest risk to pregnant women from flu is high temps. Am I right?

Anyhows, hope the symptoms start to get better for us all. I think my improvement today is a blip.

lilacpink I'm also noticing my bio rhymthms are all over the place. I can go from feeling so tired I can't even turn on a tap for a drink, to full of beans in the space of half an hour, without rest. Currently feel awful in the mornings. Got back into bed yesterday morning and just sobbed, felt so depressed... lovely DP gently saying 'it's just your brain, just your brain, it will pass soon'. Bless him. Of course yesterday may have been partly nerves before the nuchal scan. I'm also going through a phase of having to eat a lot at about 11am or become unbelievable grumpy and immobile.

On the swine flu front, I just feel I don't have enough information to know how to feel about it. Most of me thinks that it's just another thing out there that could get you - I would really love to see some comparative stats on how many people die each year of 'normal' flu, because I'm not worrying about that... and, dizzyclarebear I was thinking exactly the same last night about vaccines - not sure I would feel happy having something created so quickly and not knowing the possible effects on the baby.

My sister's neighbour has had suspected SF, and my sis has had 2 suspected cases where she works, but I still went to visit at the weekend. The neighbour was in bed for a total of 1 day. But I would avoid work, or school if I knew it was there - I think that is a sensible precaution.

Rambling now... back to work...

Lilacpink - ooh, I've felt that too but now I feel stupid as I though it was trapped wind... (of course it could just be trapped wind)

Anyway - swine flu - anyone else feeling a bit uneasy about the vaccine? Great that as we're high risk we'll be offered it first, but surely 'rushed through' testing isn't great? I might be being a little hysterical, just don't like the idea of a drug in my system that's not been fully tested...

sockmonkey I think that is wise. It's certainly not an overreaction to try to avoid contracting the illness when you have reason to believe it could be in the school.

kittycat I'm 13+6 and still feeling pretty terrible. It calmed down for me at 14 weeks last time. I'm holding out a lot of hope for tomorrow

Have you told work about being pg yet? Maybe it would be a good idea to talk to your manager before you come back, just to establish whether there is swine 'flu going around.

I rang my midwife and she said I was high risk, and should keeping them off was probably for the best.
DH agrees. I guess I'd better do as I'm told.

Looks like we'll be having 7 weeks holiday this year...LOL <wibble>

Hi everyone, haven't posted for a while as dealing with a problem with DH's work being idiots. I am quite concerned at the moment and like you sockmonkey don't know what to do for the best. Overheard cleaners in work yesterday saying that some people round the corner from me in the office have got swine flu. Which isn't great if true considering more likely to get ill when pg due to lowered immune system. Not back in the office until thursday now so will talk to my manager then.

Am 14+2 today and still feeling extremely tired. I am seeing the mw again on the 23rd so will talk to her to see if it could be down to my iron levels.

Am hoping for good news for you soon mowmi.

I'm dithering at the minute. My boy's school has had a few cases of suspected swine flu now. DS1s teacher is pregnant and has been advised to stay off school now. Should I pull the boys from school? There is only this week left now. I'm sure I've as much chance catching it at the supermarket as I have from school. I don't know whats best.
I cant make decisions at the best of times, but pregnancy makes me even worse.

At 6-8pm I'm so exhausted I struggle to keep my eyes open, but now it's past 11pm and I feel like I could run a marathon. Anyone else experiencing weird 'body-rhythms'?

I'm completely 'out' at work now as my bump has popped right out below my boobs to pubic bone. I've also had feelings as though I have a tiny mouse rolling about bit above my pubic bone, about 2-4cm inwards. I didn't feel DD until 17 weeks, but I'm fairly sure it is DC2, as I notice it mainly in the shower and when I've been still for awhile (same when I had DD). Anyone else or am I mad?

Best of luck for all results and scans taking place this week

Glad to hear that mowmi - I was talking to someone today who told me that the Kings scan centre is the leading one in the country. I hope you saw someone suitably high up and that they get you the results asap.

Thanks for all you best wishes. Just got back, all went ok - results back in 3 to 5 days...waiting is going to be tough.

Off to bed now x

Hi All,

I went away for the weekend so havent been able to keep up with all you lovely ladies!

Congrats to all those who have had scans and Mowmi I really hope today was positive.

I don't know if anecdotal evidence makes you feel any better but i know someone who was given a 50/50 chance of having a Down's baby and he turned out not to have it.

We will all be here no matter what...

As for myself, 15 weeks and still feeling really sick, the books lie about 'you will feel great in the second trimester blah blah'!

Still, it makes me feel pretty positive the little monkey is still in there!

Ooh, oops, congrats to you too dal21. Great news!

Hi all.

Mowmi, hope today was ok.

Had my private nuchal scan today and it was lovely to get a really good look at the baby, who was very well behaved, lying in just the right position, and flipping his/her back up in, apparently, a very helpful way... couldn't believe I could see fingers, and little mouth opening and closing, and bladder filling up. Amazing. And was given about 30 pictures! Am going to study tonight to see if I can spot a nub...

Also a relief, as I have been fortunate enough to be given a very low risk factor (1:8700).

Congrats to jardins and totalmisfit on good scans - and hope it went well today ilovedolly.

We decided to tell dd this evening, and she was very very excited, which was lovely. Although of course she wants the baby NOW! Bit worried that the reality of life with a baby brother or sister won't quite live up to her expectations.... and she's determined it's to be a girl 'just like me'. Hmm.

Right, off to babysit for someone, so best go...

Hello!

Mowmi - hope today goes ok for you!

I also have had my scan today! All was fantastic. Little bean was wriggling away!
Nuchal measurement fine and first set of bloods done. Am back in a few weeks to get my second lot done.

I asked about finding out the sex and my doc said that at 13 weeks it was possible to tell the sex but that it would only be 70% accurate. Little bean then would not get into the right position for him to take a look. But dont care. All the important stuff was seen and ok.

Am so very relieved and excited!! Great to see all the other scan news today!

now ive updated i'm no longer on the most popular due date - boohoo! Quirkychick, our details are starting to look spookily similar now i'm due the day before you - you're not me, are you?

crumpette i've also been after cream cheese (esp Philadelphia) and nectarines. My dh also tried to convert me to peaches, which he far prefers - what's up with these blokes?

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24 Laura233
24 coffeeicecream (DS 9mo), NW London
24 MamaLazarou (1st baby)
24 Biccy (DD 3)
25 FlightofFancy (1st baby), Surrey
25 Noodlesforbreakfast
25 Iateallthecreameggsyummy
29 helenabeth (DS1 4.5, DS2 20mths)
29 Mowmi (1st baby) Surrey
30 nervoussara, Brighton
30 (or thereabouts!) anniemac (DD 4)
31 laurawantsababy (DD 11mo)
31 IrrationalMother (DS 18mo)
[?] Miss Chatterbox (DD1 4 DD2 2)
[?] Beanz2 (DS 13mo)
[?] Fififorgot, South

mowmi that's really rough. hope everything goes ok for you. how worrying.

jardins congratulations on your scan, and to everyone else who's had good news recently. Hugs to those who haven't.

Just got back from my 12 week scan. Everything appears to be fine - baby very baby-like, whereas dd (3.4) looked a little alien-like on her 12 week scan, bless her.

I asked if they could tell me the sex but they said it was too early and to wait for the 20 week scan.

This one seems almost too laid back, just sort of laying there chilling, and occasionally waving or rolling over, which is apparently normal. Measures 65 mm and they reckon i'm a few days further along than i thought:12+5 rather than 12+1. So i have a new due date of 20th Jan. I'll update in a minute.

mowmi wondering how you are getting on today.
well done Jardins and good luck ilovedolly

Just been to have the bloods done for our nuchal scan on Thurs. Will be glad to get it out of the way as a bit worried about how its going to go.

Hey mowmi...hope all goes well today. Been thinking of you.

Jardins - you sound very excited

Hello everbody, I've just had my 12 week scan today and everything was looking great so I can finally allow myself the pleasure of joining this thread. Yippee! This is my fourth pregnancy, including a mc in March, and I am forty. My due date is 23 January. Nuchal skin fold was spot on, the doctor says. My risk factor is 1/344, which is pretty good considering my age! Now I am mulling over the amiocentisis question. The doctor siad here in France 1 in 200 fetuses are lost after the test. He said I should weigh this up with my 1/344 risk. Food for thought.

Anyway I'm so relieved!!!!!

Best wishes mowmi

Going for my first scan today. Why am i nervous? It's my second baby. But I really am. I am completely huge already and wearing maternity jeans. Yet I keep having dreams about not being pregnant. A bit upsetting and bizarre.

Mowmi thoughts are with you xx

Thinking of you today mowmi x x

Good luck mowmi, make sure you are waited on hand, foot and finger for a few days. xxx

Good luck for tomorrow Mowmi
xx

thanks ladies, I'm so up and down at the moment. There are lots of positive stories out there but that alone sometimes upsets me - someone has to be the 1 in 9! I'm scared it's going to be us.

Will post tomorrow when it's all done. Thanks again x

Oh mowmi you poor thing. I will think of you tomorrow, your dh is right 75% chance all is fine. Fingers crossed for you. x

mowmi honey, don't apologise for having these feelings. I'm so glad your friends at Create were able to help you and suggest what to do next. It's so hard because I think until you get the CVS result back, your heart is going to be in your mouth. I know how attached I've become to these two little things floating around inside me; you're just experiencing wonderful maternal feelings in wanting your little fella to be healthy and well. A very good friend of mine had a CVS about 3 weeks ago because at the nuchal there was no sign of a nasal bone. She was given a 1:25 of DS with that marker not being there. She went completely silent from everyone until the CVS results were through and I can totally understand why. The next few days are going to be hard but the overwhelming likelihood is that all will be well with the little guy. Big hug to you and DH for this week xxx

I had first scan at east surrey hospital and blood tests. NT was 3.9mm and bloods not back until tuesday.
I was in a real state and needed answer before tuesday! Called my old friends at create who told me to get there when I could.
His scan was much more through (that's how I saw the tackle - I said it's a boy isn't it? and he said he wasn't going to tell me but yes it is - you couldn't miss it - like a comedy drawing!) heart and function all good, no signs of bowel problems, and a nasal bone + he got NT to 2.4mm.
My risk still came out as 1 in 54 and he said he wasn't worried based on what he'd seen (he's a very experienced obs) and that he'd call me with the blood results. Came away feeling much better but he called me at the end of the day and said the bloods weren't great especially the PAPP-A and I should go for CVS.
I called east surrey and told them the results and they got me in to Kings for Monday.
I'm so scared - I'm so in love with this little man and I can't bear to think of him as ill or at risk.
Think I'm going to want to keep him no matter what but I'm absolutely terrified about what that might mean - DH is frightened too but I think he's at the same place as me except he's a bit more positive.
We were out yesterday and I saw a beautiful knitted rabbit in white company and I didn't buy it...I woke up today feeling really distressed that I didn't have more faith in me and this baby... difficult to explain??! I went out today and bought a little miffy soft rattle - if all goes wrong it will go in the memory box with all the beautiful scan pictures.

I'm crying again....sorry x

liny - the friend of mine who was given a 1:4 chance now always recounts her husband's amazing positive attitude (she was beside herself with worry at the time) - he kept saying "but that's a 75% chance everything's going to be fine!".

mowmi - will be keeping everything crossed for you tomorrow. Did you have your nuchal at King's too? No way will you be letting a student near you to do the CVS - I insist!!! Congrats on the boy btw... the doctor wouldn't even consider telling us the sex when we went for ours. I'm back in for a check up scan on Friday (2nd twin's heartbeat was a bit slow) and am thinking of bribing the doc to have a good old nosy to see if they can see this time.

good luck Mowmi- And crossing fingers for you as this must be scary, but it also means that you have a 88% chance that the baby is absolutely fine. Let us know how you got on!

I'm having a little boy by the way - it was pretty obvious - i think he might be blessed iykwim!

Thanks ladies - it's like a bad dream!
Lottie I think they said wed or thurs?
Hope I don't have to make a scene - I will if they try to let a student do it!
Will update you all tomorrow night x

good luck Mowmi - hope it goes well on Mon

mowmi - best of luck tomorrow @ Kings. I have a couple of friends who were given similar odds - one was given 1:4 and the other 1:10. Both had the CVS and both were fine. Will be thinking of you and hoping all goes well. Have you been told how long it will take for the results?

very good luck on Mon Mowmi.

mowmi Hope everything goes well on monday. x

Mowmi crossed fingers for Mon.
Quirky good luck for you too on Tue.

Oh mowmi good luck for Monday and cvs. I have 2 friends who had amnios and their little ones are fine. I have nuchal tues with blood test so am still waiting to be let of this particular hook.

Hello ladies,

first of all sorry to all those who've had bad news since I was last on.

Not feeling great at the moment, had lovely 12 weeks scan on friday but we've got a 1 in 9 chance of downs.
I'm really upset - spent most of the day crying.
Booked in for cvs at kings on monday pm.

Knew it was all too good to be true....

x

Hi everybody, it's been a while <waves wanly>

So sorry to hear the news of those who've lost their babies. My heart goes out to you all

viv best wishes for a beautiful wedding. It's a wonderful celebration and you both deserve a day of feeling special and together after what you're going through now. Will be thinking if you on Monday.

crumpette I have the nectarine thing too. And no, peaches not the same - too fuzzy and sweet. I still crave fruit but it's making me feel unwell (acid, I think) so mostly eating junk.

Great to hear so much happy scan news. I think these have been a sticky bunch overall. Our scan was just over a week ago and v short as dd not impressed with whole thing. Saw heartbeat and movement, doc trying to get better view but screaming toddler made it too much hassle so I said not to persist. Important things - existence of one heartbeat. Happy with that.

Skidoodle top scan tip: don't bring demanding young child

Otherwise feeling pretty wretched most of the time. 13+4 today, so hoping for respite soon. Still feeling ambivalent but keen to get excited. Nausea and tiredness getting in the way.

Take care all xx

hi everyone,

Just wanted to share the news that Gap have got quite a good sale on today, maternity jeans for £15 and they're really not that hideous, also picked up a pair of work trousers and a couple of nice wrap cotton tops all for under £59! Bargain if you're having to schlep round with the top button of your normal jeans undone (which i have been for the last week )

Oh londonlottie 4.5hrs! I was 3hrs with dating scan as had scan, midwife, doctor, blood test, hospital pharmacy for meds. Dp couldn't believe it! We have private nuchal at 6pm, can't poss be that long??? We have to leave dd with neighbours/friends so hope not too late in the evening!

Hey Biccy I went and bought a maternity bra too - on Thursday gone from a 34B to 38D - lady in M&S wouldn't let me wear my old one out! I knew i'd changed as I was bursting out of my swimming costume the other day but didn't realise it would be by some much so quickly! All of my trousers still fit so I was thinking that i wasn't putting weight on - obviously fooling myself.

I went for a private NT scan today as well - all looked well and blood test should be back on Thursday to assess risk. The private scan was a lot nicer than the NHS one - of course your paying for that! But it was lovely telling me the heartbeat 157 bpm - and that everything looked normal, showing my stomach, kidneys etc - it was great.

I am wearing my one size too big jeans (that usually need belt to hold up) on my hips and have bought a few one size up tunicky(?)/long tops in sales that I know will be useful in case I don't snap back to pre-pg size after - as if! Have quite a few baggier stuff from before but my bump band is so baggy it just makes me look twice as pg!

Biccy maternity bras are a bit depressing aren't they? I am still in a few underwired ones as I can't remember when you're supposed to stop wearing them. The plainer, stretchier ones are boring but you usually can wear them for longer as they grow with you. Was very depressed when I got out my ones from being pg with dd and how big the ones I wore at the end are!

SWH I'm at that awkward stage between being able to wear my normal clothes and getting the maternity stuff from my sister. I have 1 pair of jeans left that I can fit into. sigh.

crumpette back out with the honey, lemon and ginger? maybe you should phone in sivk on Monday...you know, just to be on the safe side.

Hvaing a cothing crisis here. Got a funeral to go to on Monday and the only black skirt I own i have to wear up just under my boobs to fit my ever expanding belly in and even then it's a tad tight. I know hubby would insist on taking me clothes shopping if I said anything but I'm just not mentally ready to go visiting maternity sections of the clothes shop.

PS Gave in and got fitted for delightful maternity bras yesterday... why can't they sell pretty ones? I just don't get why being pregnant means you have to be relegated to the plainest boringest of bras in the world ever?! And, they just seem to do nothing for my shape, so, I've got these fab D to DD cup boobs, but they have to look awful. Hrmph. (Perhaps if you spend more than £10 on a bra you can get something nicer?) Still, the wires in my normal bras were really making my boobs hurt.

Congrats on your successful scan coffeeicecream, that's great news.

Londonlottie - 90 minutes of scanning! Good lord. I suppose it takes longer to get a good view of two babies.... but even so. Wow. I think my scan last week lasted about 2 minutes, and they didn't give me a heart rate, just 'fetal heart action present' on the print out.

Have private nuchal booked for Monday, so just hoping to get through that okay, and then maybe I can start to get excited about this baby... while being nervous about it, I'm also looking forward to getting a bit longer to stare at the baby, presumably on fancier equipment, and hopefully spot that heart beat myself!

Viv, so sorry to hear your news, though I am relieved for you that you haven't been faced with an incredibly tough decision. Hope all goes well on Monday. xx

Ohh crumpette - you weren't misleading me at all... I just hoped beyond hope that it might take the two hours it said it would take. You were right though, the equipment is super-high tech - I noticed they use equipment from the Fetal Medicine Centre... someone on another thread told me that the guy who runs that operates out of Kings so it would make sense. Another friend was amazed that we had all those markers taken, and that the results were instant - she had to wait two weeks for the results. So all in all, I am being a moaning minny... should be grateful for it. Think I would have been MORE grateful had the doctor not been such a twit - the scan itself took 90 minutes (yes, 90 minutes lying there and being covered in gel... so much gel in fact that my trousers, top, and bra were soaked through with the stuff!) and he had no people skills whatsoever. End of moan!

I think your new cravings sound.... yummy. I'm annoyed with myself that I haven't really moved onto much healthier food. Am trying to eat fruit/veg but having far too much takeaway food. Really need to get healthier!

ps please ignore typos and odd sentence structure! Am sneezing as I type!
swine flu??

lottie!!! 4.5 hours!!!????? Oh my! I am sorry for leading you to believe it's be fast, that's what my sonographer guy said' book your next scan for 9am so you're first and you don't have all the people and the waiting'!!
I cannot believe that. Well, actually I can, I haven't yet booked my next scan there am kind of itching to have a private one which is,er, on time!

Both those heart rates are completely normal, and as they aren't identical twins they will both be biologically slightly different so I am completely sure it will be reassuring when you go back- who knows maybe the old wives tale- one boy one girl?

So I have survived another week at work! Sigh! Already dreading Monday!!
Have a new passion, bagels with cream cheese, choc muffins with a gooey centre, crumpets of course and, wait.. nectarines! I have a nectarine obsession! I have no idea why but I appear to be eating about 6 a day. DP went out to shops yesterday while I was at work and I gave him specific instructions to get nectarines. He came back..with bruised and fuzzy peaches...I am not impressed!
He says peaches are the original nectarine and not genetically modified so they are better---er, no...

sorry, vent over, off to munch...

evening all - thanks for reassurance that subsidance in symptoms is normal for this stage.
happy scan news those who have been. Our next stage is the nuchal scan on Thurs.

happy weekend

Sorry have been offline for a few days after my modem exploded during a thunderstorm here earlier in the week! The lovely man from Virgin has just fixed it and left - phew.

Had my nuchal earlier in the week which was a 4.5 hour ordeal (so much for the first appointment making it any quicker crumpette!). Despite mind-boggling NHS lunacies and a doctor who made me want to jump out of the window after about 5 minutes of meeting him, the scan went well and we were given an adjusted estimated risk of 1:1300 and 1:1800 for the twins. No idea how that is but it sounds good. One thing is that I have to go back next Friday because one twin's heart rate was slower (146bpm) than the other's (157bpm) and they just want to check that all is okay. Nothing to worry about apparently, they are just being cautious. Tried prodding for any sex-guessing but there was nowt giving, so we'll have to wait till a later scan to find out. Although I'll flutter my eyelashes and see whether they might tell me when I go in next week... can't hurt

Also very sorry to hear your news Katy and hope you can focus on your gorgeous wedding. Will be thinking of you on Monday. xxx

Great news coffeeicecream, was wondering how yours went.

I haven't posted for a while, but sorry to hear about your loss to Katy and Viv. Hopefully you will be on here with good news sometime soon. I had mc last year and it really is hard.

I had my 12wk scan today and all is well. The little babe (not a bean any longer) was extremely wriggly and waved a lot! So I am very relieved that all ok. Earlier scan had put me a few days ahead but this has put me back to original date of 21st. We just have to get through the nuchal scan on Tues. Well done on all the other happy scans everybody.

I had my scan today 56mm and very photogeniC! 159 heartbeat thinking girl?? I feel very pleased, relieved and lucky.

I am now due 20th Jan. Nuchal was
measured anD they said all ok.
It has been so nice having everyone here for support and much appreciated so thank you for all posts and i feel as if i have learnt a lot.

Wish you all very good weekends

Katy/Viv,

I am so very sorry to read about your loss and hope that time can heal some of the pain you must be going throghh.

I wish you the most wonderful wedding and honeymoon stay in touch.

Hugs cofeeicecream

thread my h key keeps getting stuck

Took a while for me to catch up
Sorry to here more bad news on this thread
Well 15 weeks today and seem to be feeling beany move quite a bit still only flutters but ressurin.

Sickness has come back this week but think its more stress related having just spent 3 days back and forward to the hospital with dd but thats another tread lol

Hope all next weeks scans go okay only 6 weeks till my next scan day after dd's birthday

My abdominal muscles must be non existant I think. With my DS I felt him move for the first time at 15 weeks 6 days (I log things like this in my yearly diary). This time I am sure I have felt baby move several times already which is surprising because baby should have plenty of room to spread out without hitting anything .

Thank you for updating us with how things are going with you Katy. I agree you are still a January 2010 member and so we have to at least see pictures of you on the day. I am sure you will look absolutely wonderful and have a fantastic day. And when you feel ready to try again, I hope that you will have a better experience in your next pregnancy. All the best Katherine.

liny I felt DD move at 16 weeks in the shower, with hot water on, I don't think she liked it. Hmm she never did like baths actually..

Have already felt this one moving around, obviously my abdominal muscles are pathetic!!

Glad more people have had healthy little people on screens.

katy, I am so sorry to hear of what has been happening for you, but perhaps it is best that your little angel went on their own and no intervention was required. You gave him/her the best chance that you could, I know that that will be of little comfort but at least you did not have to make any decisions or take any action before now.
Please let us know how your wedding goes, you are still jan 2010 member! We want the pics!! Best of luck x

Liny - With DS1 I first felt him move at about 21 weeks. It was when I was in the bath IIRC. I think he liked the feel of warm water

I am properly looking forward to the manky taste in my mouth going... I hope it's not going to last much longer. I thought I'd found a stretch mark yesterday but it was just where my belt had been digging in

hello sockmonkey and hope that your pregnancy has gone well so far

i am happy to say that i am almost back to normal now, thank goodness! nothing worse than throwing up in my opinion! yuck.

Liny you will be waiting a long time to feel baby move as this is your first and your tummy muscles are nice and tight. i think it will be at around 26 weeks correct me if i am wrong . when you have your second you will feel it earlier.

has anyone started using their Pilates DVD yet and what do you think? i think my arms are already looking toned!

Do you mind if I join? I know I'm a bit late, but I've been holding off till I went for my scan. DH insisted it was "just pies" LOL. But it was a wriggly little bean.

I have a DS who is just 6 and a DS who will be 4 next month.

I am due on 24th...ish. Last two were both late so I'm betting it'll be february before this one arrives.

hello,

Yes I can confirm from 12 weeks onward my nausea had stopped. It was not that bad but it was still nice to wake up and feel "nearly normal". My breast is also far less sensitive.
14 weeks and 5 days for me, I still get quite tired and I have been napping everyday.... My main issue now is digestion, can not eat too much on the evening or I'm paying for it ;-)) same thing if I have late nights , I'm struggling the next 2 days...
Also I do have tummy pain on the evening, which are more ligament stretching related I think...;-) otherwise ok!
So don't worry sazlocks, get ready for the next stage!
This is my first and I can not wait to feel the baby !

Morning all

Sleepingalot - glad you got to see your little bean!

Bethoo - hope you are feeling better after your illness, probably the last thing you needed!

Sazlocks - second what bethoo said, from 12-14 weeks for most women the first trimester symptoms should start to fade as the placenta begins to takeover.

Hope everyone has good days planned. I am heading out - trying to stop obsessively counting down the hours til my scan on Monday morning.

sazlock tis normal to have sickness and tiredness subside, this is the best trimester as you get all your energy back etc. i feel good though occasionally i get mild bouts of nausea!

Morning everyone else - don't even ask what I am doing up at this hour !
I have a hideous meeting first thing morning which is playing on my mind.
I went out last night with the NCT girls - 3 of us are pregnant with one due imminenently. What is it about second timers that get together who feel the need (me included !) to talk about the hilarious time in labour when ............. and when.............. etc Was very funny though but made me glad it was a while off yet.

I am starting to feel much better now - much more energy and less sickness. I will be 12 weeks on Sat but of course there is a tiny part of me that is worried about the reduction in symptoms. Please someone who is further on than me reassure me that its normal !
Have a good day

viv/katy sorry to hear and thinking of you. I know there is lots of support on the miscarriage boards here. One thing some of my friends have found helpful is finding some way of commemorating their loss together - ie by planting a tree or a rose bush etc something to help them mark their loss.
Hope the wedding goes well.

i had tha d&v bug last night so had day off as not slept well considering up all night either on toilet or throwing up in the sink!

i look at my pics and the baby looks so clear and you can see everything (apart from the parts!!!) and i find it hard ot believe it is in there esp as i feel ok, well non pregnant since sickness wearing off apart from the vomiting bug i am getting over!

Viv - i know that you never really get over a mc, you just have to learn to accept it. take care xx

Had my first antenatal appointment today and saw about 5 different people... had to go from one place to another etc and was there for over 2 hours! BUT I did have a scan so was very happy (didn't think they'd give me one)and saw a much bigger wriggly baby than last time, 72mm now.

Biccy I totally agree. It's bizzare to think that the baby is actually inside me, looking at the picture...still can't quite believe I'm pregnant.

Viv my heart goes out to you, I really hope Monday goes smoothly as it possibly can. Will be thinking of you. x

Viv - am so very sorry, for both you and your DP. Will be thinking of you on Monday - please look after yourself and stay in touch.
Hope the wedding is fantastic
xx

I am so sorry Viv, it must be really hard.

Whilst we are all congratulating those of us who have had positive scans we are not forgetting those of you who have not. Please do keep up with the thjread, i am sure we will all want to see the wedding photos!

I hope Monday goes as well as can be expected.

xx

Hello all you lovely ladies,

Am so chuffed at all this news of positive scans and healthy bumps - well done to you all.

First, thanks for all your lovely messages last week. The last seven days have been truly truly horrible, but I think DP and I are getting there. Went back for a scan today and it confirmed the baby's heart has now stopped beating, which has come as a small relief as I had been concerned about having to go through the next steps while he/she may have been clinging on. Am now booked in for an ERCP on Monday.

While I don't think we'll ever properly get over this, we're both now looking to the future and in particular the wedding, so fingers crossed I'll be popping on here with some good news soon.

Good luck over the next few weeks and months girls, and will pop in soon! x

Thanks Sazlocks...was feeling a little thick!

Can't wait til scan now.I have to say I can't believe that I'm only 14 weeks, my bump is huge! Half expecting to be told I'm about 5 months preggers.

Oh, and Liskey, I think it's incredible that they charge for the pictures - it's £2 per picture where I am, surely they are making a profit on that? I don't think I imagined before last time that you'd have to pay...

Thought I would up date the list as I moved a couple of days... and noticed that the 24th is the most 'popular' due date...

? londonlottie - early cos it's twins! (1st baby) - London SE5/SE22
1 singalongamumum (DS 18mth)
1 Alibobins (DS5 DD9)
1 ClaireDB (1st baby)
2 Lisylou1980
3 salvadory (1st Baby)
3 liny
3 sunshinejanuary 1st Baby - South London
3 Bethoo (DS 2 DD 8 mon)- Wiltshire
4 pepa (DS 3.5, DD 18mth) Toronto, Canada
5 Dizzyclarebear (1st baby) - SE london
5 timmette (DS 3)
6 oomska (DD 13mo)
6 crumpette (2nd DC)
6 gizzy1973 (1st baby)
8 STA1mum (DS15mth)
10 Zen1980 (1st baby)
10 lizzylu (DS 14mths)
10 Somewhathorrified
10 kittykat765 (DS 19mth) Bristol
11 Katiei (DS)
11 anastaisia (dd b2005)
11 lilacpink (DD 3)
12 roastbeef
13 skidoodle (DD 13mo)
13 LessThenIdeal
13 Sleepingalot, Sheffield
15 lynchy09 (DS14mth)
15 Sersi (DS1 6, DS2 4) HERTS
15 Worriedunfortunately (DD 4y)
16 DesertFairy (DD3)
16 ampster (DS 11mo)
16 ILoveDolly
17 slightlybonkers (DS 3yo)
17 MrsStripey (DS15mo)
17 Liskey (1st baby)
18 alfiesmadmother (DS1 7,DS2 5 and DS3 3)
18 dal21 (DS 20 mths)
18 Southwestwhippet (First baby)
20 sooooexcited (DS 2)
20 showmethemummy (2 DCs)
20 verytiredmummy (DS)
21 quirkychick (DD 3.5) Norfolk
23 AutumnAir (1st baby)
23 Sazlocks (DS 17mo), Shropshire
24 Blocka (DD 32mo), North East
24 totalmisfit (DD 3.3), Norfolk
24 Laura233
24 coffeeicecream (DS 9mo), NW London
24 MamaLazarou (1st baby)
24 Biccy (DD 3)
25 FlightofFancy (1st baby), Surrey
25 Noodlesforbreakfast
25 Iateallthecreameggsyummy
29 helenabeth (DS1 4.5, DS2 20mths)
29 Mowmi (1st baby) Surrey
30 nervoussara, Brighton
30 (or thereabouts!) anniemac (DD 4)
31 laurawantsababy (DD 11mo)
31 IrrationalMother (DS 18mo)
[?] Miss Chatterbox (DD1 4 DD2 2)
[?] Beanz2 (DS 13mo)
[?] Fififorgot, South

The ones that have lost their little ones:
VivClicqot
beanieb
coffeeandcarrotcake
Rainbowdays
EsmeandDante
bluespix77
AmyLou32
st arshaker
The Kurgan

It was lovely to see the bean - and looking like a real baby - but, does anyone else find it almost too freaky to contemplate that that little person you saw on the screen is actually inside you?

Plesed to hear that your scan had good news Biccy - I cried too it really gets you doesn't it.

I hadn't realised you had to pay for the photo's before today - yes naive I know

well done on happy scan news.
Biccy we are almost due date buddies as my scan moved me to the 23rd Jan.

I am planning to do hypnobirthing this time as well. Such an amazing way to get DH involved in the whole thing and a great way to stay in control of pain/ panic etc - we didn't pay anything like £500 bethoo think it was more like a couple of hundred and that was for a private course in our home.

somewhat NCT is a national vol sector organisation who provide private ante natal classes, nearly new sales, campaigning for better maternity care. coffee morings etc etc etc Really useful for first time parents as classes are small and you get an opp to meet people a few times before the birth and most people become good friends afterwards. they have a website if you want to see what happens in your local area.

Hi all. Back from scan and all is well. One little baby, 49.1mm long, heart beating, due date brought forward 2 days to 24 January.

Must say, it was the fastest scan in the world ever! I got there just before 7.30 for a 7.30 appointment, they'd turned off their computer and were sort of shutting up shop... they'd crossed me off by accident! So, was rushed into the room, 2 mins of scan (was so quick that although she said there was a heartbeat I didn't actually see it myself) and out again pretty much!

Nice thing was, the sonographer I saw was the same one who had to give me bad news when I miscarried in February, and I think it was quite nice for her too - she even gave me my scan pictures and told me to hide them in my handbag so I didn't have to pay for them! They're very small and hazy though, no way I could try and guess the sex...

Oh, and I blubbed.

Hi sunshinejanuary- I know this sounds bad butI envy you! I am just insanely hungry, all the time! It's horrid all I do is eat, I have already gained ehem, quite a lot of weight!!

I know what you mean about smelly lettuce though- there are some things that I go near and want to be sick instantly (lettuce is one of them, in fact any 'healthy' substance!)

I have just realised that I have to book my next mw appointment, consultant appointment and my next scan and I rang the hospital who were totally useless- before (different hospital) everything was booked for me! argh! effort, may have to stop eating for a second and go in!

So pleased for you Lisky and Ampster!

Let us know later Bethoo how you go.

I am jealous Crumpette of you list of yummy food. I find now that i feel i really want something, then i eat it and instantly feel like it was the wrong thing and it is making me feel sicker than i did before!

DH thinks i have lost the plot, the other day i coudn't eat my dinner as i thought the lettuce smelt to awful!

sleepingalot will they offer you a nuchal translucency scan anyway? Has to be between 11 and 13+6 weeks I think. I know not all areas offer them, but worth a go!

Liskey and Ampster- hurrah!!

Well today I have been skiving and have achieved precisely zero- have not even got dressed all day have munched 4 crumpets and various avocados, however, oh and loads of kettle chips... sigh will have to go in tomorrow though so am not too impressed with that prospect.

Not sure if I'm going to do the 2nd-timers NCT thing, I don't want to find myself in labour again and have NO idea what to do (cringe) but then again I've done it before and I don't like people too much!
Hypnobirthing sounds very interesting indeed, that may tempt me! No pain, right!!?

Congrats Liskeyand ampster on fab scans. Good luck Biccy with yours this evening!

Liskey we're due date buddies now!

Have my first antenatal app at hospital tomorrow 2pm but don't think they'll give me a scan as had one at 9wks (will be 13 wks tomorrow).

Don't want to seem greedy but would love to see that all is okay. Been trying to think of ways to persuade them...so far only come up with sharing my giant chocolate buttons... Any one got a better idea???

Great news Liskey, hurrah! So, that's good news today from you and from ampster, so hopefully these things will go in three's!
Will update later...

Hi

Had scan - very active baby strong heartbeat everything looked ok. At which point I burst into tears of relief.

Sonographer said I look like I'm 13 weeks pregnant not the 12.3 I think I am - my due date has been moved forward to the 13 January.

Good luck Biccy hope everything goes ok for you.

i wanted ot do hypnobirthing but it costs about £500 or something crazy like that!
we only have two parent classes here at the medical centre, the first tells you about the birth and differnet pain relief options and pass everything round. the second is all about breast feeding. i asked about breathing and the mw said they dont do it anymore as they prefer to teach it on te day which i think may be a bit too late! by that time you are in panic mode andcant concentrate on breathing right!

great news on the scan front Ampster so now we await the news of Biccys.
having a panic this morning as my doppler will not work, i think it was the headphones as they were under my dog and i pulled so maybe pulled the wiring out?? dont know how i could cope not hearingthe hb as so used ot checking eery morning like i did with the last two! it is even worse now in second trimester when you feel normal again!
got another DVD 10 minute solution butthis is a toning one so my chest is killing today! have dp doing it too and it is so amusing watching him dong it completely different to what the instructor does and we all know how men hate being corrected by women/their partner!
i find it hard to make new mum friends as i find i rarely have anything in common. the one i did meet at my first ante natal class has kind of stopped calling etc, it sounds harsh but she always treat me like i was making mistakes with my shildren. always critisizing my parenting skills, also not helped by being quite resentful that i got pregnant the second time when she was trying but she has fertility issues so i felt a bit bad and dare not knock on her door to tell her my good news as her second IVF attempt did not stick. i sound horrid dont i but army wives are in a league of their own when it comes ot clicks!
alot of the army wives dont work so they just spend their time going round each others houses taling about other people etc. best shut up there before i make myself sound like a pertentious bitch!

Er...what's NCT? Do you do this aswell as the hypnobirthing classes? Sorry have no idea.

Good news ampster - I am sure I am going to cry tonight, no matter what the outcome!

Hi everyone! Just had scan, saw baby. Looking good, strong heartbeat, small nuchal fold. I did a small cry! Am such a softie. Now in hospital waiting for blood test. Very very bored. Good luck to everyone else with scans today!

Thanks for all your advice.
I have now joined the NCT class for the january due date and I will probably do the NHS ones during the day... DH can come with me on the evening ones, I think he might show some interests, just have to hope that football is not on at the same time...;-))

I'm between jobs, as the site where I work is closing and starting in another one but only May next year.. so I'm taking note on the breastfeeding pumps advice

Morning all

Am trying to remember all the questions that have been asked so I can try to answer some of them!

I really struggled with breastfeeding (a loooong story for another day) and mixed fed my son from 9 days old. He never once had nipple confusion (although I think by then he was so hungry he'd have eaten anything, poor boy). He did go through a phase of refusing bottles but that was about 5 months I think.

Also, because I had hardly any milk, I found I couldn't get anything out at all with the hand pump. Nothing. So I bought a Medela mini electric one and that did the trick.

I'd second whoever said NCT classes were worth it. I also made really good friends at my NCT and we're still in touch 2 years on. In fact, I'm panicking slightly about this baby as we've moved now and I don't know anyone in my new area. Think I'll check out the local NCT and find some coffee mornings etc and start all over again.

Hope you are all well. X

Good luck Liskey and Biccy. And anyone else due scans today!

Hi all

Am drinking water in preparation for my scan this morning and shaking like a leaf. Feel scared witless.

Let you know later how it's gone.

Good luck for your scan today Biccy, looking forward to hearing how it goes.

I'd second what Crumpette said about the basic manual avent breast pump. I tried a medela electric one and hated it! (But I know people who liked it.) I found I was best off expressing after the first feed in the morning, but I also needed to do it every day, whether I wanted the milk or not - and dd would only drink it from the bottle if it hadn't been previously frozen. And I could never express very much (though my supply must have been fine as I bf exclusively to 5.5 months when we introduced solids, and bf in total to 20 months). I did find it useful at the weaning stage as I could express enough to mix her porridge with, or mix into purees etc.

On the stretch mark front, I just used coconut based body creams, and have one small stretch mark, which you can only see if you sort of stretch my skin out a bit. I got stretch marks during puberty on hips and thighs (the ones that start of red then fade), but nothing like that with pregnancy, which was nice. I think as the bump got big I forgot it had an underneath, and wasn't so good at rubbing the cream in there - and that's the bit that marked. Must remember this time to pay attention to the underneath!

But, the other thing I wanted to say is that I just never think about the fact I have a stretch mark. It really really doesn't bother me one bit. When I look at it, it's more with interest, and 'oh, that was from dd', and in a funny way I actually like that little reminder that I carried her in my tummy. And to tell the truth, I've felt more confident in and happy with my body since having dd than before, even though I never quite lost the last few pounds.

Anyway, ramble over, better get to bed so I can stay awake for my 7.30pm scan tomorrow...

Apply now if you want to do NCT classes!

I tried to book at 14 weeks with DS and Due in July 06 was already full! Luckily as due date was 31st July they agreed to let me into Due in August. In the end he was born Aug 15th (overcooked!), so all worked out, I would have been left so far behind by the July group!!

Still friends with all 8 of our group, and 6 of us are local and still meet weekly 3 years on.
We also did 2 NHS classes, but the group was huge so didn't get to know each other. There was a smaller NHS breastfeeding class which was good though, and got to meet a new mum with newborn and chat about her birth, first feeds etc. Made it all seem v real!

It took me a while to get the hang of expressing, and never had leaky boobs, but got there in the end. Another vote for the avent manual pump, & decided to express when went back to work so then got Ameda double pump which was fab.
I found it a faff to get DH to give regular ebm feeds, but used to occasionally for nights out, trips to hairdresser, gym etc.

Good luck to all those having scans this week!

Just had my second midwives appointment and I've been bumped back a few days so I have updated the list. I am now 14+1.

Hi to everyone, sorry I haven't been posting for a while, life has been crazy although I have managed to keep up with reading the thread, which is a feat in itself given how fast this one moves.

? londonlottie - early cos it's twins! (1st baby) - London SE5/SE22
1 singalongamumum (DS 18mth)

1 Alibobins (DS5 DD9)
1 ClaireDB (1st baby)
2 Lisylou1980
3 salvadory (1st Baby)
3 liny
3 sunshinejanuary 1st Baby - South London
3 Bethoo (DS 2 DD 8 mon)- Wiltshire
4 pepa (DS 3.5, DD 18mth) Toronto, Canada
5 Dizzyclarebear (1st baby) - SE london
5 timmette (DS 3)
6 oomska (DD 13mo)
6 crumpette (2nd DC)
6 gizzy1973 (1st baby)
8 STA1mum (DS15mth)
10 Zen1980 (1st baby)
10 lizzylu (DS 14mths)
10 Somewhathorrified
10 kittykat765 (DS 19mth) Bristol
11 Katiei (DS)
11 anastaisia (dd b2005)
11 lilacpink (DD 3)
12 roastbeef
13 skidoodle (DD 13mo)
13 LessThenIdeal
13 Sleepingalot, Sheffield
15 lynchy09 (DS14mth)
15 Sersi (DS1 6, DS2 4) HERTS
15 Worriedunfortunately (DD 4y)
16 DesertFairy (DD3)
16 ampster (DS 11mo)
16 ILoveDolly
17 slightlybonkers (DS 3yo)
17 MrsStripey (DS15mo)
17 Liskey (1st baby)
18 alfiesmadmother (DS1 7,DS2 5 and DS3 3)
18 dal21 (DS 20 mths)
18 Southwestwhippet (First baby)
20 sooooexcited (DS 2)
20 showmethemummy (2 DCs)
20 verytiredmummy (DS)
21 quirkychick (DD 3.5) Norfolk
23 AutumnAir (1st baby)
23 Sazlocks (DS 17mo), Shropshire
24 Blocka (DD 32mo), North East
24 totalmisfit (DD 3.3), Norfolk
24 Laura233
24 coffeeicecream (DS 9mo), NW London
24 MamaLazarou (1st baby)
25 FlightofFancy (1st baby), Surrey
25 Noodlesforbreakfast
25 Iateallthecreameggsyummy
26 Biccy (DD 3)
29 helenabeth (DS1 4.5, DS2 20mths)
29 Mowmi (1st baby) Surrey
30 nervoussara, Brighton
30 (or thereabouts!) anniemac (DD 4)
31 laurawantsababy (DD 11mo)
31 IrrationalMother (DS 18mo)
[?] Miss Chatterbox (DD1 4 DD2 2)
[?] Beanz2 (DS 13mo)
[?] Fififorgot, South

The ones that have lost their little ones:
VivClicqot
beanieb
coffeeandcarrotcake
Rainbowdays
EsmeandDante
bluespix77
AmyLou32
st arshaker
Th eKurgan

Great, I've just emailed NCT to ask for refresher course dates in my area

and I think you can join at any stage but need to sign up for classes early

Hi lilacpink I looked into it and from what I know (which may not be totally accurate) it is for first timers only- EXCEPT their 'refresher' courses for 2nd timers, which are shorter and less frequent, generally one day and one evening or 2 afternoons. It was recommended to me by a surgeon dad of 4 little children who was dragged along and said it's actually pretty good, not tedious and patronising and is useful.

We did NHS classes only and DH and I didn't feel that we had anything in common with others there, having said that there were only 4 other couples and they didn't appear to have read any info on pregnancy so we went over and over what to eat in pregnancy and hardly covered giving birth! I was still working F/T and the sessions were so late that I guess it didn't help that I was tired and fed-up! I now have lots of 'Mum' friends in the area thanks to regularly attending local groups, and we have some friends who've also become parents over the past few years so DH has 'Dad' friends too. I think it helps to share stories

I've thought about NCT classes this time, to make more friends with a DC of the same age ASAP, but being a second-time Mum I'm not sure if it's appropriate. Can anyone help - is it new Mums only?

Oops I mean 11 months, anyway yeah initially I think until you've established a routine with your baby and BFing, a manual one is more than enough, then maybe invest in a big fancy one if you will be using it frequently enough

Hi just reading the above, I didn't do NCT last time, or NHS no antenatal classes at all. All I can say is 'ouch'!! Would have been good to have done some breathing exercises perhaps in advance!!

I breastfed DD until she was 13months and I had 3 different breastpumps. To be honest what I found was that the manual one I had (avent?) was just as good as (if not better) than the medela swing one, both of which were better than the boots electric pump. However I would say it's not an essential purchase if you're exclusively breastfeeding. Your milk supply matches your baby's demand and tends to a. leak out in the early days anyway and b. is quite easy to squeeze a bit out (sorry tmi!) without a pump. Breastpumps essential if you want to combine breast/bottle/cups or store your milk, but you won't need it in the first few days. That's what I found anyway

Hope all are well- I have been kicked (in my side) today (by the baby not DP!!) so I think all is well in the prego-department!!

Just thought I would add that I only did the NHS classes with dd, and 3 years on have a great group of friends. Not sure the classes were all that useful, but that's because where we are they assume you've read books and don't do really formal classes, more discussion forums - though the physio sessions were useful. The dads haven't bonded though...

This is in no way meant to be a 'don't do NCT' comment, just, if you can't afford it, you may find you get a good group with the NHS class - you just need someone to be a bit proactive as a social secretary to get the ball rolling really. And the great thing about my group is that they all live within walking distance, whereas I know the NCT groups are rather more spread out.

liny agree with Fifi - can't recommend NCT highly enough - the best money we spent with DS. Fantastic classes and we are still friends nearly 2 years on. The girls and babies get together most weeks and the boys do drinks occasionally. We all have family get togethers once a month ish. Although they are not all people that I might of thought I had a lot on common with, there is nothing like sharing the mad post natal months with people to develop a strong bond.
The classes get booked up really quickly so I suggest you get your name down sooner rather than later if you want to go along.
I didn't bother with the NHS ones which I regret in hindsight as it might have been useful to meet more local mums as I think it has taken me longer than it would have done.

i think nipple confusion occurs if you introduce bottle before 6 weeks so best bf excl til then and then introduce a bottle for EBM.

Just a very quick post - I am at work!

Liny I joined the NCT when I had DD - it was the best £170 we ever spent! The classes were a bit hit and miss (we had a substite teacher), but the friendships have been invaluable. We still see all our group 3 years on, in fact we were all at a birthday party at the weekend. DD is great friends with all the children and we are now all on round 2! DH goes out regularly with the other dads and some of the families meet up at weekends to do things together. The NHS classes I was offered consisted of 2 afternoons and although DH and I went, it was a bit of a waste of time. The only thing I really got out of it was the hospital tour, including seeing the theatre, which is just as well, as this is where DD was born!

If you can afford it, I would join. Some people don't enjoy the pressure to be friends, but we were lucky and our group clicked.

Have a fun afternoon all.

hello,

I know there has been some discussion before on the subject but I was looking at the NCT antenatal classes. Is it worth the £170 they are asking for or are the NHS ones as good?
What would you recommend as this is my first baby?

Also felt really unwell this morning, being now 14 weeks I'm still waiting for my energy to come back!! ;-)
congrats on the scans!

thanks guys, I have to say you've made me feel alot better about the whole expressing issue.

Oooh and phoned the hospital to see what happened to my scan date...turns out the letter was sent and never arrived here (2nd time this has happened in the last year with important info!) anyway, have got scan date for the 14th (next tues)...just have to hope it isn't going to clash with DH's Grans funeral.

SWH - I used the medela swing breast pump. When DS was 6 weeks old, DH started giving DS his dreamfeed (10pm feed) of EBM via bottle. (Dr. Browns bottles were the ones that worked the best for us).
Initially I would express about 8.30pm and then head to bed. Would give me much needed 4 hours sleep until DS woke for the 1am feed. But once milk supply settled (I had a lot) was able to express in morning after DS first feed and head to bed as soon as I could after the 7pm feed. 5/6 hours uninterrupted sleep made bfeeding so much easier.

But, I say this since I have read that there can be negative side effects to what I did.

Firstly - apparently milk supply can be impacted if you start missing feeds.

Secondly - introducing a bottle can cause nipple confusion with the baby, leading to the baby rejecting the breast in favour of the bottle.

With those disclaimers in mind; it worked a treat for me. Milk supply was fine. DS was fine with mix of breast / bottle. DH got his one on one time with DS. Plus I was relieved to know that DS would take a feed from a bottle.
And it gave me a much needed break. I made it to 5 1/2 months of bfeeding, dont think I would have made it so far if I hadnt expressed. HTH.

Hi all
somewhat - I used an electric breastpump. I used one in the very first few days when DS was struggling to latch on and then again when I went back to work. They are a bit bizarre but it helped me to carry on Bfeeding til DS was 13 months old. I hoped to use it from the word go to get DH involved in feeding but the whole sterilising, expressing faff and DS reluctance to have anything but nice warm boobs ! meant that it didn't work for us.
I would recommend then but maybe wait until bfeeding is established. You can hire then from NCT and some hospitals as well.

i used one a manual one but to be honest if yu have loads of milk which yu usually do in the beginning, when you feed you will spray out hte other one so just put your boob in a cup! or use the breast pump when yuo are feeding as you will get loads out. i did for a while but being the lazy arse i am i just bf until 6 months when she went to a childminder so she got ff when i was away and occasionally dp would ff her if i was busy (making tea, cleaning up after them all etc! wanting a break from being a giant mammmary! )

bethoo grats on the scan!

Has anyone tried you useing a breast pump? I've not heard anyone say anything good about them....please, please can someone say something positive. I really want to breast feed, but I also want give hubby the opportuntity to be totally involved in all of it.

I haven't had as many crying gags as you have coped with Yummy but the weirdest was when DH and i were on holiday in Malta. As we were walking down the street i started to bawl and had to sit down, people kept lookiing, thinking maybe it was DH's fault and i just kept saying (wailing) there is nothing wrong!

This pregnancy malarky is weird!

Fifi just wanted to mention about your emotions dont worry about them!!

DH made me the ultimate comfort food the other day, pureed non lumpy mash with sausages and the best onion gravy ever!! I sat crying into the food because it tasted so nice, then i was laughing and crying again! Poor DH just sat and laughed at me whilst the dog looked with a rather bemused expression on his face!! I've cried when songs come on the radio, things on the tv, adverts! BGT when family hugged each other and the list goes on! Although crying into my lovely food was probably the strangest...... although i cried when my boss told me i have a 20p an hour payrise!!!

Ive been told sooner or later ill stop blubbing and look back at those moments and think what the hell was that all about!!??

LOL so cry away me dears!

Bethoo and Lilac congrats on your scans! Great that all is ok!

Hoorah to lilacpink also! Great news about the scan.

Am sure there are more scans this week...who else has them?

Bethoo - with DS, I was around 15 weeks when the bloom kicked in. Hair looked lush, I had heaps of energy and loved pregnancy. Hope it is the same for everyone else.

Fifi - have a fantastic holiday! Where are you off to? Am sure it will fly by - always does when you are away.

Crumpette - love the sound of your supper! Re. the stretchmark oils - I swear by the mama mio stretch mark oil - smells lovely too!

I still feel utterly drained today. Roll on scan and fingers crossed the 'bloom' time! Have great days all
xx

Evening all

Glad to hear all the good scan news. I have finally got a date for my 12 week scan - 23 July, when I'll actually be 13 weeks, it seems ages away, but we're on holiday next week, so I'm sure it will come round very quickly!

I am turning into a hormonal mess. I'm taking everything to heart and crying at the slightest thing. I am such a mess, my poor DH doesn't know quite what to do with me! I really don't remember being like this with DD. Oh well, I'm sure it will settle down soon (I hope!)

Katy, I am so sorry to hear your news. I hope your wedding is beautiful and you are back on the ante-natal board very soon.

Will try and catch up with all the posts now, well probably tomorrow because my eyes won't stay open!

xx

Hi Lilacpink,

So glad the scan went well.

I am such a podger i have no idea when a bump will even be visible let alone risk giving me stretch marks!

cant adjust i meant!

thanks ladies!
i used normal baby oil morning and night and have not got a stretch mark from either pregnancies even though my tummy used to itch and had little red dots (like heat rash) and my friend with a cheshire cat grin told me i was going to get them (as she was riddled from her only pregnancy). alot of stretch mark envy! but i think it may have ot do with what dkin type you have and how fast you gain weight, if you pile it on gradually you are reducing the risk but if you gain weight fast then your skin is being stretched faster than it can adjust. that is my theory as i always thought it ws genetic and my mum got them from her first pregnancy whereas i have not. also i think that maybe having a little bit of fat already there heklps the skin stretch rather than a thin skinned fat free tummy iykwim or am i waffling a lot of crap here?

Hi All

I had a 12 week scan today too. Last night in-between looking after my DD who was up most of night with tummy bug, I was really worried. But all is ok one healthy wriggler!

Sonographer wouldn't tell me sex of baby, but kept going near region slowly and one moment I thought I saw something, next minute I thought I could see two lines.

My date is now 11th not 10th, I've updated Bethoo and Vivclicot (Katy) too, hope this is ok and I'm really sorry if I've missed any changes, first time I've changed a list:

? londonlottie - early cos it's twins! (1st baby) - London SE5/SE22
1 singalongamumum (DS 18mth)
1 pepa (DS 3.5, DD 18mth) Toronto, Canada
1 Alibobins (DS5 DD9)
1 ClaireDB (1st baby)
2 Lisylou1980
3 salvadory (1st Baby)
3 liny
3 sunshinejanuary 1st Baby - South London
3 Bethoo (DS 2 DD 8 mon)- Wiltshire
5 Dizzyclarebear (1st baby) - SE london
5 timmette (DS 3)
6 oomska (DD 13mo)
6 crumpette (2nd DC)
6 gizzy1973 (1st baby)
8 STA1mum (DS15mth)
10 Zen1980 (1st baby)
10 lizzylu (DS 14mths)
10 Somewhathorrified
10 kittykat765 (DS 19mth) Bristol
11 Katiei (DS)
11 anastaisia (dd b2005)
11 lilacpink (DD 3)
12 roastbeef
13 skidoodle (DD 13mo)
13 LessThenIdeal
13 Sleepingalot, Sheffield
15 lynchy09 (DS14mth)
15 Sersi (DS1 6, DS2 4) HERTS
15 Worriedunfortunately (DD 4y)
16 DesertFairy (DD3)
16 ampster (DS 11mo)
16 ILoveDolly
17 slightlybonkers (DS 3yo)
17 MrsStripey (DS15mo)
17 Liskey (1st baby)
18 alfiesmadmother (DS1 7,DS2 5 and DS3 3)
18 dal21 (DS 20 mths)
18 Southwestwhippet (First baby)
20 sooooexcited (DS 2)
20 showmethemummy (2 DCs)
20 verytiredmummy (DS)
21 quirkychick (DD 3.5) Norfolk
23 AutumnAir (1st baby)
23 Sazlocks (DS 17mo), Shropshire
24 Blocka (DD 32mo), North East
24 totalmisfit (DD 3.3), Norfolk
24 Laura233
24 coffeeicecream (DS 9mo), NW London
24 MamaLazarou (1st baby)
25 FlightofFancy (1st baby), Surrey
25 Noodlesforbreakfast
25 Iateallthecreameggsyummy
26 Biccy (DD 3)
29 helenabeth (DS1 4.5, DS2 20mths)
29 Mowmi (1st baby) Surrey
30 nervoussara, Brighton
30 (or thereabouts!) anniemac (DD 4)
31 laurawantsababy (DD 11mo)
31 IrrationalMother (DS 18mo)
[?] Miss Chatterbox (DD1 4 DD2 2)
[?] Beanz2 (DS 13mo)
[?] Fififorgot, South

The ones that have lost their little ones:
VivClicqot
beanieb
coffeeandcarrotcake
Rainbowdays
EsmeandDante
bluespix77
AmyLou32
st arshaker
Th eKurgan

Bethoo - brilliant news!!

Crumpette - I'm applying clarins tonic oil at the moment... once that runs out I'm down grading to bio oil!!

Hello everyone else x

haha thanks for praise on 'the fanjo front', what an excellent column title.. anyway yeah things not bad. What is bad is that I have just got in from work and consumed the following: 2 bagels with cream cheese and salmon and lemon juice, and .. 2 mars ice creams... and am now plotting what to eat next!

oh deary me, no nice neat bump for me this time...

Btw anyone who's on their 1st (or first 2!) and worried about stretch marks, last time I didn't get any stretch marks at all but twice a day I massaged oil into my bump, I used vitamin e oil from a health food shop mixed with almond oil I think, or coconut oil. Not sure it mkes much difference, I will undoubtedly get them this time with my current run of luck and mars ice cream scoffing, but may be worth a go

ps yay for scan bethoo!!

Congratulations on your scan Bethoo

All this advice is great! Totally new to all of this.

We live in a flat so i will definitely be looking to save space and noit add too much to our clutter.

I have ruled out reusable nappies for two reasons - we don't have a drier and no facilities to dry things outside so it would be like living in a chinese laundry and my SIL works for Proctor and Gamble and can get us nappies on the cheap, whoo hoo!

Bethoo, fantastic news about the scan. Does that mean like me you are now due on the 3rd? I got moved on at my scan.

Crumpette, glad things are quietening down on the fanjo front ;)

dal well dont know about blooming! only if it is spots and greasy hair!

p.s. crumpette, glad the bleeding has settled.

Yay bethoo and your bean!! Huge congratulations!! How are you feeling? Are you starting to get the second trimester bloom?

back from town and my scan!
turns out that i am even further than the last scan said so instead of 13 weeks and a half i am 14 weeks and a day! i could see the limbs as if i was looking at a 20 weeks scan! she said it was wriggling around loads, kicking and moving aconstantly but i put that to the cold drink and a chocolate bar an hour ago! all the sugar guarnatees a wriggly baby! ideal for 20 week scan when want to know the gender!
dp said it was a girl, what makes men experts just becasue they have seen a scan twice before, suddenly they are more qualified than the sonographer?!!! i did ask but she said she would not try as not guaranteed to be right and i cold not see the bits to make my own judgement!
so now due 3 jan which means could be a new year birth!
will be tested for diabetes at 28 weeks as had it in first pregnancy but not the second! i tried to tell the doc it was becasue of hte two litres of coke i drank a day!

I used bambinex Lottie!! They were called wambamboo at the time but renamed. I loved them. Went straight into size 2 with nappy nippas to fasten, so did from birth (well around 6 weeks, I started off with some didn't get on with and took time to return and find better) till potty training. They're lovely and soft bamboo fabric, really slim fitting and absorbant, no leaks. I used motherease airflow wraps in the day and wool wraps at night (with different nappy). Lined with fleece liners as kept skin dryer than paper, and more comfy on little bottom! I bought a metre of blue fleece at John lewis and cut them out myself.

You don't need to wash at really high temps, this ruins the nappies, 40C normal wash is fine, perhaps with pre-rinse if particularly bad, but most of the poo stays on the liner, and drops off easily into the loo, so left with just 'skidmarks', not loads of poo going around your machine!

Bamboo is really absorbant so takes ages to dry, which is the only downside to this make.
You use quite a few per day in the initial newborn period, but then it declines until only need 4-6 per day and one at night.

The potty training/nappy thread here has loads of tips on reusables. I'll be checking it out as might treat new baby to a brand new set, lots of new brands have come out since my DS was in nappies, need to research again!
Think you can get popper fastening bambinex now. There was only the choice of velcro or nippa when I got mine. I think I'd go for poppers now but get a nippa too for a tighter fit while baby small. I didn't find velcro fitted very well, it gets bits stuck in it, and toddlers can easily rip them off!

oh yeah and a car seat- doh!

For those who are thinking of what to buy (here I am at my desk skiving and thinking about babies ) then for DD the following were essentials:

-babybjorn active carrier
-a buggy of some description, that is small enough to fit into a car boot
- cot (or moses basket while teeny, but a cot will be needed later on)
-changing mat
-playmat kind of thing that baby can lie down on
- bouncy chair that baby can sit in
-baby bath

and, er, that was about it! Really, didn't use changing table just stuck changing mat on top of chest of drawers. I didn't use reusable nappies, used pampers most of the time but did try a lot of biodegradable nappies which are available in stores like greenbaby and so organic, and which mean you can disregard most landfill guilt. I was surprised that they didn't leak and were actually really good.
Definitely never used a changing bag, which sounds odd, but I got a little fold-up change mat and carried that with me with a nappy or two and some cotton wool and that was all I found I needed.
Best purchase by far was baby carrier- harder for twins of course, but it was fab. Alas, I gave it to my neighbour at the time proclaiming 'I am never giving birth again!!' so I may have to buy another one
Oh and I breastfed, I bought loads of bottles before she arrived but never once used them. She used cups when we were out and about from about 9 months I think, some lightweight ones with handles that she held herself.

Now the tmi bit! still have some bleeding, but it's really dark and not a lot now so I am hoping it's ok. Also I felt the munchkin move last night, so I'm not too worried.... now where's my chocolate croissant.. aha!

ps londonlottie definitely moving to zurich? V sad I can't coo over your twinnies when they arrive!! sniff sniff

Sorry, just realised I made the sweeping assumption that everyone would be planning to breastfeed - of course if you are planning bottle or mixed feeding you'll need to add some basic bottle equipment to that list.

If you are hoping to breastfeed though, I would recommend not buying anything bottle related - it's easy enough to come by if and when you switch to bottles.

I have to admit I did love my changing table - but then I needed a chest of drawers to store the baby stuff in, so I just got one that had a slide on/slide off changing top, so she still has it in her room, just without the changing bit on it. I found it especially useful when they start to squirm away at nappy change time - much easier to contain her somehow.

But Sazlocks is aboslutely right, there's loads of stuff on 'essentials' lists that you just don't need... like nappy wrappers, and baby toiletries. I agree with really sticking to the bare minimum before babies are born, which to me is: a few clothes, a few nappies, a few muslins, a car seat if you have a car, some form of transport (sling or pram) if you walk anywhere, somewhere for them to sleep + associated bedding (unless you're going to co-sleep of course), and erm, some nipple cream. That's probably about it!

For what its worth there is some stuff that you probably won't use that much but seems to be on every first baby list. If you have friends who have had kids then they might be glad to offload hand on some of their baby stuff if you don't mind second hand. We also bought and continue to buy lots of clothes and other stuff at NCT sales.
For example we were given a huge baby bath on a stand which we used once - after that DS was bathed in the sink and then in the bath either with us or with one of the cloth baby rests you can buy. Also we didn't bother with a changing station - just a wicker basket for all the nappies and faff and a changing mat which we used on the floor.
I am sure all the other second,third etc timers will have their own top tips to add !

Yay, someone else who's going to go with the re-useable nappies! I hadn't thought to ask about them on here...d'oh.

Another resource for baby stuff is your local paper's classifieds.

Morning all,

Lottie, anouther money saving idea is freecycle. Have you tried it?

I find our local one is always offering baby things.

Crumpette, i like the disclaimer!

Okay, I think the ones I liked best called 'Pro Wrap', or something like that. Velcro, rather than poppers.

Anyway, got to go, got to get dd dressed, do Tescos and leave for gymtastic by 10.30!

I do remember I didn't like the Bambino Mio ones, as the tops stayed too rigid...

Hmm, just noticed all my typos...

Londonlottie I will try and remember the make of the covers I liked the best. The cotton pre-folds are much of a muchness. Using the biodegradable liners does make them easier to clean out too, but don't be conned by the fact they say 'flushable', I blocked our drains (on Christmas Eve) . The make is not coming to me at the moment, but if I do a bit of googling I'm sure I will remember...

Hi Biccy - which brand did you use? I just have a feeling that with two babies my conscience won't allow me to add quite so much to the landfill each week! Ten nappies a day (I've been told) per baby - that's 140 a week! I've been reading about Bambinex and apparently they don't leak.... am such a novice at all this though so any/all tips welcome!

Morning all!

Well, dd and I had a lovely day at my SIL's yesterday, while dp stayed at home to do concreting... thing is dd fell asleep on the way home, so I put straight to bed from the care, which meant a night with no nappy, and of course, despite the previous night being a dry one, she woke up at 5am having wet the bed.... and couldn't get back to sleep. Hey ho. She may nap at lunch time after such an early start I suppose...

Londonlottie I used re-usable nappies with dd until she was walking (when it just didn't seem fair as they made her waddle so much!). I used the pre-fold type with waterproof outers. It was a bit of a pain when it was wet weather, but they dried really quickly outside. Saved me loads of money, and have them ready and waiting in the loft. Won't use them for the first 3 or 4 weeks though - just becuase I needed time to get into enough of a rhythm to be have time to wash them. Get some tea tree oil for the nappy bin though...

crumpette, hope the bleeding has stopped, as even as it's probably nothing to worry about, it's still not nice for you.

Morning all!!

Crumpette - great to hear that you have told your employers and they have had to back pedal on the salary front. Roll on Oct I say! Hope the bleeding has settled. I too have heard what you say, that dark brown is nothing to worry about.

Best of luck to all those with scans this week! Mine is next Monday, am counting down the days! Am veering between having days with no sickness and heaps of energy to days of feeling constantly nauseous! Feel utterly drained today so am staying at home and catching up on some much needed rest. Think the heat last week took its toll. Any one else feeling the same?

Londonlottie - LOL at the reusable nappies! Kudos to you if you do go for them - but they are much more work. One of my friends bought the type that grow with the baby she wishes she hadnt. She finds they leak a lot more and take circa 3 hours to clean in a very hot wash.

Happy Monday all and once again, looking forward to hearing about all our sticky beans!

You do realise I'll be smuggling one into my bag for tomorrow's "light reading" to/fro home?

I feel like a runner primed on the starting blocks - am holding off buying anything baby-related till after the scan on Tuesday, but for various complicated reasons I really am going to need to get a lot of stuff in the next couple of months. We're shipping all our stuff over to Switzerland in late September and I don't want to have to buy stuff over there (everything's stupidly expensive), so am already researching crazy things like reusable nappies (am I mad?), cots, change stations, etc etc. The consumerism's going to get me, I can just tell... Have been looking on ebay too; reckon we'll try and pick a lot of stuff up on there to save cash.

I've been balking at the blog pics of this woman pg with twins - she's about 33 weeks at the moment and the stretch marks - it's enough to make me start applying oil daily already! I just know I'm going to get terrible stretch marks; unlike the majority of my friends who seem to have escaped unscathed.

Disclaimer: crumpette is not recommending buying pregnancy magazines, definitely definitely not

Crumpette, i wish i could share some of my good being-pregnant-at-work vibes with you. I know i am very lucky, they are all over the moon for me.

As for the mags, ooh, good idea, i am just as easily sucked in Lottie but i think it might be fun!

Oooh, I haven't bought any mags yet... thought it might just convince me I need to spend lots of money on silly accoutrements. I'm gullible enough as it is....

Hi londonlottie! Thank you for the link, hmm I don't think I even have a midwife!!

Will wait and see how it goes I think..

By the way, bought cheesy pregnancy magazine having snuck it into trolley in sainsburys much to DP's dismay, and it has soooo many positive natural birth stories of women who had twins, I assumed most people need caesareans but yeah if you were thinking that far ahead, then it is very doable without surgery, it seems! unfortunately I can't find it but it's one with pregnancy on the front..

about work, I have calculated I can take leave from the 21st October...SO tempting!

Hi crumpette - sounds to me like you should find yourself a new job when you eventually go back to work after ML. What a horrible environment; bet you can't wait till it's time to leave again.

Re. EPU @ Kings. I haven't been there yet but did find this link in case it helps. FWIW I wouldn't worry too much about the brown bleeding, although that is FAR easier said than done, as I found out when I was 10 1/2 weeks. Tiniest bit of brownish/pinkish spotting and I was straight into Guys for a scan. I would have tried Kings but was on my way to London Bridge and Guys is where we had the IVF. If it's still there tomorrow I'd try and pop in first thing tomorrow and see what they say. I wouldn't know where to start re. contacting my midwife - don't even know specifically who my midwife is!

Hi sazlocks, all I got from work was a ''how far along are you??!!...what do you mean you don't know....how can you not know..'' from my manager and a big glare from the top one, who talked to everyone but me and made it very obvious!

Argh sorry to vent. I don't think they will be nicer to me, but I think I have wrecked their plans for dismissal/pay-cuts hence their looks of disgust!

I haven't contacted mw, tbh I don't know if there is an EPU or not at my local hospital (Kings) lottie if you're about do you know?

I wouldn't actually know what to do..... had DD at st thomas's where you can just turn up and be seen if there is a problem...

crumpette your workplace continues to sound horrendous. Good that they know you're pregnant now and hope that means that they will lay off a little....... I also think that reddish bleeding more worrying but have you contacted the MW to make sure everything is ok ?
Hope everyone else has had a nice weekend.

*can't spell today, please ignore above post!*

Hi everyone!
Well today, I have had some bleeding, but it's browish red. It was there yesterday as well. Hmmm... Haven't done anything about it, I figured if it's more brown then it's older blood, right, and bright red is the worrying one?

Other than that, work continue to be morons, I had to email them again about my salary cut (contract base salary, not cutting bonus or anything) and sent it to my manager and to the top top director, pointing out that I was back on terms less favourable to those on which I left for maternity leave. I also included that I was pregnanct again. I didn't want to but I figured then that they'd have to reinstate my salary or it would be a maternity/pregnancy discrimination issue.

Needless to say I was called into an office and told 'oh I think there's been a mistake.. must be because you didn't start back on the 1st of the month' yeah right! But they know that I am pregnant, and have had a very frosty reception to that news, but hey at least I can let it all hang out, no more tummy sucking in tights. (assuming everything's ok!)

ARgh otherwise, went shopping yesterday- error- saturday shopping+crowds of annoying people+heat+sickness+headache+no water= bad day

hope everyone's ok - totalmisfit your DD sounds hilarious!!!

Hi Bethoo, crossing my fingers for your scan tomorrow.
Sazlocks, glad you got to see your little one. It makes it all seem so much more real!
I have got nothing achieved this weekend, just keep sleeping! Hop eeveryone is keeping well.

i'm another one who hasn't put on any weight but has a huge tummy! i've actually lost 1lb so i have no idea where all this extra tummy flab is coming from. i can still just about do up my jeans as most of the flab is above the waistband - like a beer gut. yuk. The nausea seems to be wearing off - i'm 11 weeks today, but i'm still repelled by the sight of bananas and other healthy snacks.

time seems to be dragging on as i wait for my scan. dd (3.4) is driving me up the wall. took her to church this morning and she headbutted the vicar in the crotch. on purpose. twice.

i don't know if i'll be able to show my face in there again tbh!

Hi all - pleased to have got the first scan out the way and seen a jumping bean. Just waiting for the nuchal scan in a couple of weeks. Now 11 + 1 and still feeling sickly, being sick and tired but not quite as much so am hoping will disappear soon.
Its good being able to share this time with you all. Most people in RL now know and it has been nice to tell people. In any case I am starting to show already so it won't be long before people guess.
Look forward to hearing more of your scan news this week.

well i have my scan tomorrow morning so just waiting for that now.
feel good as took dogs for a walk this morning and got home and literally 5 minutes later it poured down! so now i have two chilled dogs instead of the little one running around like a blue arsed fly like he was yesterday.
still feel a bit sicky but no so severe now, just eaten a whole melon.
we went shopping yesterday and filled the trolley with loads of fruit and veg so the fridge is full of lovely colours. my dp has never had a sharon fruit before so he will be trying that later
hope you are all well.

Hi all, back from an extended no computer break.

I am feeling immensely tired all the time so standing is a bit of a prob for me as I just start to droop and feel sooo uncomfortable.

I'm a little bit gutted about my scan - they sent me a date when i am on holiday so I have had had to postpone seeing the bean! I'll be 13 weeks by then. So annoying, not my first but I'm still keen to get a look - and check he's well natch.

dizzyclare when I was preg with DD there was a summer roadshow event that I'd already agreed to go to (alcohol-fuelled event). I know how you felt, I ended up staying at the back and looking around in case anyone was near and would walk/run into me. I'm careful this time too as I feel vulnerable, but a few times after work I've sprinted for a bus in a busy area without thinking, and all has been fine.

Anyone else have problems standing for ANY period of time? I had low blood pressure with DD, so wondered if it was starting early or just normal

Hello All,

Kay, so sorry about your news, i had been keeping my fingers crossed for you.

I am afraid i have not had time to catch up with the whole thread, good to see everyone chatters so much!

Well, i am 14 weeks tomorrow and still being sick, but i do feel a little less tired all the time. Having said that i slept for three hours this afternoon. A luxury for a first timer i am sure a lot of you with children already dont get to have!

Good luck Liskey, I will log on during the day to see if you've been able to update us with how it's gone. Not sure I'll be able to concentrate much at work, waiting for an evening appointment. Got my Oscar booked for week Monday.

Dizzyclare I can imagine how you must have felt surrounded by mad people boinging about!

Iate thanks for updating us on how you are. Glad you had a good scan again.

Liskey, I felt the same, also no MS - thought they would tell me I couldn't fit in any of my clothes because I'd been having too much pasta...

Went to see Blur in Hyde park last night - FYI pogoing to Song 2 in ill fitting bra has brought back sore boobs which had just gone.. Does anyone else feel far more vunerable now or am I just being stupid? Suddenly aware last night of how many drunk (and else) everyone around me was and how much they were throwing themselves about, felt v nervous...

Mines at 10.15 - don't think I'll be sleeping well the night before! Time seems to have stood still waiting to get to this point - at least I'm further along than last time.

I'm half convinced I'm going to go and I'll be told it was all a mistake as I really don't feel pregnant - no ms.

I'm at work on Monday/Tuesday so that'll be good - but I'm still a bundle of nerves.

I'll be keeping my fingers crossed for you Biccy.

What time is your scan on Wednesday Liskey? My first one is the same day, at 7.30pm. I too am counting down the days, and this weekend seems to be going to slowly! I know once I'm into the week I'll be okay, as have busy day with dd on Monday, then am at work Tuesday/Wednesday.

Sorry to hear your news Katy - lots of hugs.

Haven't been on for a while so Hi to everyone - and Iate <waves> from conception thread - pleased to hear things are going well for you. Hope yeveryone else is doing ok.

I'm trying not to work myself up into too much of a nervous wreck before my scan on Wed - haven't had one yet as midwife and GP wouldn't refer me to EPU - Despite me saying I didn't feel pregnant and was convinced I'd had another mmc. Me and DH are counting down the days now - I've also booked for a private NT scan as Yorkshire doesn't offer them.

Hi everyone! Thought id best post as bethoo had been asking after me.

Im very well will be 11 weeks on Tuesday! Had a scan 8 days ago and all was well dating me at 9+3. Healthy heartbeat and baby measured 25.9mm!

Not been feeling pregnant the last 3 days but today have been feeling sick which for me is a positive reminder all must be ok!! I wont get any more scans now till 20 weeks .

Hope your all doing well, ive already told my manager when im going on maternity leave and shes been very supportive as ive now had risk assessment etc and no one at work lets me carry anything overly heavy!

Keep having to remind myself its to early to start showing yet but im getting bigger!! I seem to be getting bigger below my boobs and seem to have a bump from there!?

Will try to catch up on everyones news when i have 5 mins as am working 3-10 tonight then 6:30am-3 tommorrow! feels like 24 hours at work tbh! Plus its the truckfest this weekend so am expecting lots of customers! [cry]

take care everyone! xx

DS only does 3 days at nursery but I did feel guilty Dal21, especially as went shopping in the morning & were lots of mums and toddlers out and about. Really missed him, but DH needed to buy suits & DS would have been soooooo bored by the hour++ spent in Next, and lovely restaurant was definately a toddler free zone!! We picked him early together with an ice cream straight after the lunch, he was so excited to have both of us at nursery. Sure nursery staff were thinking I must be preg and we'd been for a scan together, tum was huge after yummy food!

Paying the price today for overeating rich food yesterday though, been quite nauseaous.

Have lovely weekends all.

Katy - so sorry you're going through this. Hopefully you'll be back with better news soon x

So sorry Katy, I was really hoping you would have a happier result than this.

Please let us know how your wedding goes. I hope you have a lovely day. x

Am sorry Katy Are you getting plenty of support? What an absolutwly terrible thing to go through. I haven't been around for a while, sorry and really sorry to all those who have had bad news.

Well, I am over 12 weeks today, got a scan date and the midwife gave me the date 13th Jan. I feel a lot better now and can't believe how I have sped through the sick phase. Unbelievabley I can feel the baby 'kickin'- and being number 4 this is definitely not wind, it is little taps, which feels great. I can also feel my uterus poking up and it often goes tight. Being number 4 I guess my body knows what to do! Can't wait for my scan in a couple of weeks.

Hope some others are feeling less sick and tired and you have all been coping with the heat. Am already looking forward to my maternity leave.

Katy, I am so sorry to hear what is happening. It must be so hard going through a long process like this. Take good care of each other.

So sorry to hear that katy how totally gutting for you, its the sort of news we all dread. Go easy on yourself and good luck with the wedding.

Katy,
Very sorry to hear your news. Have a fantastic wedding and I'm sure things will work out for you!

Katy i am so sorry to hear of your news. takecare of yourslef, have a great wedding and i hope to see a pic of the fantastic dress
all the best. xx

Katy,

So sorry to hear your news, I can't begin to imagine how upsetting this is for you and your DP.
Sending you lots of best wishes and hope for the future. I'm sure your wedding will be amazing do keep us updated.xx

Katy - so sorry to hear your news

katy - so sorry to hear your news. Hope the wedding is fab and you have a happy and healthy pregnancy when the time is right for you to contemplate again

Maygirl - your day with DH sounds heavenly. I would love to have a day at home/ out shopping etc without DS. But I dont have the heart to put him in nursery when I am at home. Although I have taken the day off work when I have my scan - so fingers crossed that goes well - I will have a good few hours to myself in the afternoon.

Lilac - I have gained weight and the baggy tops have definitely given it away (along with the mahoosive boobs) - I have been outed by two colleagues I sit with. But one of them is only 4 weeks behind me! They basically said no one would be surprised when I announce it, it has been obvious for a good few weeks. Less pies methinks.

Ampster - which doppler so you have? Am very tempted to buy one myself, but they think I need to wait until the scan on the 13th.

Noodle - welcome! I too am still feeling nauseous. It has gotten worse in the last few days and have woken with it today.

Timmette have a lovely holiday!

Hope everyone else is ok.

Oh Katy. So very sorry to hear your news. . Look after yourself. Hope the wedding is amazing! <<Hugs>>

lilacpink I have also not gained any weight but have a noticeable bump and look geneerally rounder too.

Anway just wanted to say bye for now I am going on holiday tomorrow morning at some god awful hour - so won't have any internet for quite a while.
I hope everything goes well for everyone and that all the babies are glued in with superglue.

So sorry to hear your news Katy.

I'm really sorry Katy
xxx

So sorry to hear your news, make sure you and dh look after each other xxx

Katy, I'm really sorry for your news. I think back in Oct I knew things were going wrong for me, but finding out and healing takes tears and time. I hope your wedding is a truely beautiful day and that in the near future you will be on another thread too, but pop back to say how your wedding goes!

Hi everyone

Not so good news from me I'm afraid - went for our scan this afternoon and my fear that the baby wasn't progressing as it should was pretty much spot on. Today's scan dated me at 7 weeks, despite being 6+4 three weeks ago and 5 weeks three weeks before that - strangely, there appeared to be a very faint heartbeat so the embryo may still 'alive' but the fact that it's just not growing as it should means it's likely I will miscarry eventually. So, if things don't happen naturally in the next seven days, I have to go back next Thursday and we'll take things from there.

As you know, I'd always had a feeling that something wasn't quite right but had been keeping everything crossed and was praying it was just my first-time mum paranoia. Still doesn't make it any easier though, and there have been lots of tears from me and DP, and also my mum and dad.

Really sorry to bring the thread down - I promise I'll pop in from time to time and check up on you all, and let you know how my wedding goes. Do keep me on the list - I've been a proud member of the Jan 2010 club.

Lots of love and good luck
Katy x

Hi All,
one of my DH's friends came over earlier, said congrats on the good news and "I thought I saw a bump last week, but thought you may have just overeaten" I haven't put any weight on, but have been in my biggest clothes/mat clothes, and thought I'd get away with it for awhile yet.

I almost passed out in library today, combination of getting over gastroenteritis and the heat. Thank goodness it's getting a bit cooler now

Anyone spot in the news tonight - preg women will be entitled to Swine Flu vaccine as a priority group!

Hi everyone
We've still got over 2 weeks until my scan, seems ages away. I'm hoping to get my doppler back off a friend next week, hope will be able to hear a hb, will be 11 weeks.

The midwife did listen for a hb by doppler at 12 weeks with my DS, but warned me we'd be unlikely to detect it, so not to panic, but we did hear it loud and clear!

Had a lovely day, 4th wedding anniversary, DH and I took day off work so could go out for a posh lunch whilst DS at nursery. Ate so much I've not been able to eat anything for dinner! Had a pedicure afterwards so I'm feeling very indulgent and pampered!

Hi all, sorry I'm a late joiner, it only just crossed my mind that there would be an antenatal club, only discovered mumsnet after the birth last time so didn't get to do all of this.

This will be my 2nd, have 1 ds who is nearly 2. I've got my scan on Monday, due on 19/01/10. Can't wait to see my baby! Still feeling very sick, much worse than last time. Hope everyone is not suffering too much in the heat. N

Hello Skadaddle and Very Cherry. I was like you Cherry, reading but co-uldn't quite join in, just in case!
I totally get where you are coming from totalmisfit, i was really worried, even once i saw my baby i was worried until i saw it move!
I hope everyone has had a good day. I am still feeling sick everyday, though i wasnt sick today. I am 13+4 and REALLY hoping it wears off soon. Then i will be able to worry about why i am no longer feeling sick no doubt, he he.

re: heartbeat - i've been using the doppler i got when pregnant with DS (paranoid i'd have another miscarriage so spent the ONE HUNDRED POUNDS and frankly it was worth it) - and i've been hearing a heartbeat since 10 weeks exactly. (didn't try before but have been since then). it's harder to locate than DS's, of course, but if i move the thing around i can always hear it in the end. it's a great relief.

scan next wednesday. counting the days!

Hi everyone!

Welcome to all the newcomers! Congrats!

So lovely to hear all the positive scan stories aswell. Congrats to all who have seen their little beans!

Exercise??? Not a chance! Between work, looking after DS and housework - zero energy to do anything else! I stopped running when was pregnant with DS. After he was born, I actually got my fitness back really quickly, so am not going to worry about it this time round!

Anniemac - I know how you feel! I am 11 weeks tomorrow and only 11 days to go till my scan. It really cannot come fast enough.

Crumpette, they cannot change your salary without consultation. Unless is some element of your package commission/ bonus based?

Hello to everyone else!

hello,

Yes same where I am ,Bethoo, I have my second mw appointment in 3 weeks.
I'm in Nottingham, and here I just got a letter telling me to call the hospital and book the scan myself..

I have been swimming today, which was hard work after stopping for 3 months... so hoping to build a bit more stamina every week. I probably will do the aquanatal classes a bit later on (I don't feel big enough! ;-))
I also have serious clothes problem...mainly my trousers or skirts which don't fit anymore..so I have one preg summer short from my sister and this is it... I need to go shopping! ;-) anymore places doing sales?

congrats to all scans, and don't worry totalmisfit, I did not sleep well before my scan, I was convinced there would be something wrong...I'm a worrier type so I'll feel the same again before the 20 weeks one...

somewhathorrified that is so strange, it seems that they see you at your first booking in then leave you to it til the baby is due! where i am they see you at 10-12, 16,24,28,31,34,36,38,40, and 41 weeks pregnant! and each time after the initial booking in you get blood pressured, fundal measured/felt and listen for hb and general chat, reassurances etc.

Welcome VeryCherry, glad your scan went so well, you must be relieved and excited.

I saw a midwife today (not my usual one) and mentioned that I was feeling nervous about my scan which is coming up in a week and a half. She looked genuinely puzzled, and a bit blank, and asked why. I said 'well, i think everyone worries about scans, don't they? its' the first time i'm going to see my baby!' and she looked at me like i'd just got off a spaceship.

No doubt she'll be the midwife i get during my homebirth - 'what do you mean these contractions hurt ?'

anniemac, you're probably right. It just seems odd to be expected to discuss stuff that is really very personal with someone I don't know that well - esp as we've only ever been rather formal and business like every other time we've talked...

New ladies - welcome!!!

Somewhathorrified - I'd chase up about your scan, you could have just fallen between the cracks in the admin... (and you don't want to be send a date/time on short notice and find you can't actually do it)

Hi all, have been reading for weeks but too nervous to join following m/c in feb. However had scan this morning and all good, am 12+5 due 9/01/10.

This will be my 4th baby, have 3 ds's aged 15, 13 and 22 months am sure I will probably have another boy - although did have to scrutinise angulation in scan pic.....

bethoo my MW said to make an appt with her for the blood results, she said it was unnecessary and normally wouldn't see me til 26ish weeks, but it would be good to see me just to check how things are going.

8 months! That's fantastic!

You did - you mentioned this thread so I thought I'd pop over and have a look. Will have a read through at the weekend to catch up with things. At the moment am lying in front of the fan and plan to stay here til it's time for the school run

hi Skedaddle i think i saw you on a different thread yesterday. how are you? may be a good thing that you have forgotten about pregnancy as my last labour was only 8 months ago and still raw in my mind!

Hello - am a late arrival on this thread!

I think my due date is 27/01/10 and this will be my 3rd!

I have a ds10 and a dd6, so it's been a while. I think I've forgotten everything about pregnancy (which may be a good thing!)

somewhathorrified if your bloods are ok they will not contact you, just stick the results in your case notes when you have your next appointment.
anniemac mw will not check for hb until 16 weeks as still hard to locate in early stages and would cause unneccesary worry if it was not found.
i told a friend today i was pregnant and the first thing she said was .....her it comes.....''was it planned?''

bethoo I know I should probably contact MW about lack of scan, but I figure I have to see her in the next week or so for blood results so I'll mention it then.

Its most likely she was interested in how long you had been trying, whether you had encountered any difficulty. That sort of info is interesting for a woman who is struggling to conceive and maybe looking for encouragement.