Right sorry to post and dash again but i'm hoping to take the DC's on the train to go and surprise DH at work... hopefully he'll be able to finish early too...Gonna go and get dressed and get them sorted before our trip... and may sneak in a peek in the shops while i'm there!!

Diege- OMG!!!! hope all is going well!! Hope its the real thing... if waters breaking didn't start anything they'll give you 48hrs till induction anyway!! wuhoo- can't wait now...

how did i miss that for my first post??

Yay Diege! I hope things are moving quickly and hope to hear some good news soon!

Jules- we have one- got while DD was in SCBU... i've been using the wii-fit too and am slowly seeing the weight dissappear...

YES! JULES BUY ONE!!! It is so much fun!!!

should we get a wii?

glad u got sorted diege hope they get better

poor u kay

sounds painful Kayz.

Sounds like a nice relaxing break you're having there GYo

Dd1 is off with the Rainbows for the day and Ds1 has swimming lessons this morning with Dh (who's still in bed)

So just me and the Lo's, what to do? Lovely sunny day here.

Very excited to hear Diege's news!

morning

Enjoy your list of jobs Ses, I'm like you and love ticking things off!

Hi Kay, hope your wrist improves soon.

I'm pleased as Dd slept well in the travel cot which is much larger than her crib at home

Off to a farmers market this morning

Morning,

Oooooh Diege, I am so excited, I bet mini Diege is here!!!

Sorky, Lavender came from the pet shop in Malton. They have got about 6 all Lavender's siblings so the same sort of colour. She was £28.50 and the hutch was £49. So all in all with food etc about £90.

I have sprained my wrist hence the not being here yesterday as GP said to try and avoid using the computer. He thinks it has been caused by the wii, but I haven't been playing tennis or anything on it. Just wii fit and animal crossing.

I hope you are all well. DS2 has slept the past 2 nights!!

Checking in for Diege news. Hope all's going ok.

GYo - enjoy Dorset
I think our DH's need to learn to think sometimes before opening their mouths!!

Last night I started making a list of jobs for us to do this wkend. Just needed DH to be aware and I do love ticking things off!!

This afternoon we have our friends DD 3rd birthday party. 3 years ago she was a last minute guest at our wedding as she was due 10 days after the wedding and she arrived 2 weeks before! She was tiny at just over 4lb, even though she was still , in theory, term. They did really well and she was there all day as her dad was our best man.
I still remember phoning my mum to tell her there was going to be an extra guest! My mum was not impressed until I told her the guest wouldn't need feeding or a table place!

Right I'm rambling and DS is falling back to sleep.

not sure what that bugger was at the end of the mesage there!

hello all

Diege good luck!!!

Ses glad to hear ds gained weight. Bet that was only gained in last 2 days. LOL about dh comment. Mine did the same the other day. Had dd whilst I had massage. He had ebm to give her. As I left the room he jokingly said that once I'd gone he'd give her formula!!! I wasn't amused at all. !

Lbot sorry for piles, sounds v painful. Are you next on the list to give birth?

Moosy yay for norks, so exciting!

Kay- lavender is gorgeous.

Hi BB!

Am sure I've missed loads so sorry everyone else.

I'm writing from Dorset in our lovely holiday rental. Its great and very quiet at 3am! Discovered that I can just about get signal so can stay in touch <<<phew>>>

Thinking of you Mr and Mrs Diege!

Bugger, so

Just checked the syndicate and no one has 12th June but Kay has 8.27am on 13th and BNJP has midday on 13th.

Wow, how exciting. Best of luck to all the Diege family.

YAY!!!!!
Can't wait to hear the announcement!
Best wishes Diege family!!!

Woohoo!! V exciting
Will check back in when doing the 3am feed in case of further news!
Thinking of you Diege, Mr Diege and baby Diege

wow wow wow!
Go Diege

Ta Mr.diege

Go Diege go...... Yay

Mr Diege here. Diege's waters have gone at 2145, waiting for backup then off to hospital. More to follow

Thats what i did while he was feeding from one boob i expressed from the other. If you get a good stock in your freezer then dh can have him for a couple of hours in a couple of months when owen has put on more weight and you are ready for a break... We could meet up child free and have dinner!!! Now there is a plan... I will just have to get my owen to take a bottle in the mean time....

I've expressed 30ml off earlier which DH gave him after he'd fed from me for about 20 mins. I'm going to try about 30-50ml EBM twice a day to ensure he's getting the fattier hind milk on the advice of HV. I won't let it replace a feed though so if anything it should increase rather than decrease my milk supply.

How rude ses... Give him a smack from me... Why dont you try expressing a little bit more.. When owen was little I expressed an ounce off everytime he fed from the opposite boob. So if he was feeding from the right I would express an ounce from the left. Then at the end of the day freeze what you have. Not only did this help my milk flow but I now have a freezer full of EBM!!

Worth a try.. I freeze it in special bags some are 4oz some are 5oz!!

Diege any twinges this afternoon?

Hello everyone else...

Sorry, that was a bit unfair on DH. He really didn't mean it,

Thanks for encouragement guys

'Tis more than I'm getting from DH, although he doesn't really mean anything by it. He just doesn't think before he opens his mouth. He was complaining earlier about being tired after a busy week at work. I offerred to let him look after DS for a day and he said he'd have to give him "proper milk" then as he wouldn't have any breast milk! I repeated it back to him and he didn't realise what he'd said. He said he meant to say that he'd have to give him formula.

Hi all, just a mad quick post, popped in to check up on Diege! Seems like all OK for now, am disappearing off for the weekend to the IL's (please give me strength of character to ignore them not let them get to me).

Will someone please text me if Diege pops!!! I'll stick my number on FB for anyone that wants it.

See you soon, x

ps - well done on gain Ses, sure will be another positive step for you on Monday

Sorky - had a new mattress myself recently and I know how you feel - bet you can't wait to go to bed again!

<<waves to everyone else and feels for being so ignorant to all the posts - you know I love you all >>

Thanks for the info' SES! Have tried anosul which worked initally but now is having no effect. GP said this was the next stage really, and did say a few women had contacting her re: the leaflet and pregnancy, but it was basically a 'no clincial trials on pregnant women jobby' and she didn't know of any problems in research studies etc. Think I'll give it a go anyway as I am in sooo much pain!
Oh and I think you're right about waiting for effects of tongue tie op to kick in; I'm sure you'll see another gain on Monday, but even if not I can't see a problem. I think the appointments would hang over me, but then I am at the extreme end of the worry continuum!

Now that would be good!

But Ses, if it is down to his tongue tie, he might've gained the 2.5oz in the past two days!

LBOX - that story about the little boy made me smile
Can unerstand your buggy dilema. Sounds like Bee might be easier on public transport.

Sorky/Jules - weaning sounds like a whole other ball game! I'll park that one for a few months!

Diege - thanks for asking.. was initially more stressed as still have the weigh ins continuing but if it was his tongue causing a problem, he's only had 2 and a half days for it to have made a difference... Just now focussing on Monday. Bet you I'll feel lost when they do stop weighing him!
Rectogesic basically hasn't had full clinical trials in pg. I'd say logically there is no reason it can cause any problem at this stage. Have you tried any other otc treatments such as germoloids?

That's so cute aboiut the little boy watching the doors LBOX. Know what you mean about the bee; was my choice but went with pliko prammette in end due to buggy board issues/height of pram. Saw one the other day though and felt .
I'll have to post frantically when I go into labour so that we reach the 1000 and I get a brand new thread

Diege, glad you got all your drugs, LOL! Now are we going to have this baby by the end of this thread, or is your little guy hanging on for his own, brand, spanking new one???

Ses - Yay for Owen! That's fantastic! Not a huge amount, but a gain nonetheless and as Diege says, headed in the right direction!

Went to mothercare at lunch time to look at the Bee again - the sales person was having a hell of a time folding it and demonstrating for me But I think we're probably going to go with it. It's really probably the best for our needs. Also popped into Primark as I thought it might be a good idea to pick up some t-shirts for me, for now in a bigger size and then some huge ones for the birth. But OMG, it's a ZOO!!!! i've never been in one before!

Cutest thing though - on the tube on the way back to work, there was a little boy sitting and his dad was standing in front of him. He was telling his dad to move and he said "You KNOW I need to watch the closing doors" He thought that every time they made the Watch the Closing Doors announcement, he actually had to watch them close. Bless!

Back from GP who prescribed me rectogesic for piles (she says it's fine in pregnancy but leaflet says not to use - any advice SES??), co-cocodamol for after pains (hee hee eh Sorky ) and lactolose for side effects of the last one . I needed some for dd3 anyway, so all happy
TINKS, looks like good milk/food mix. I remember with dd1 having to include lots of yogurts etc as she went off milk at around 6 months!
Great news of weight gain SES- I think sensible to avoid referral. I know it's not quite what you wanted, but if he's putting weight on surely he's heading in the right direction? Do you feel better after the appointment or more stressed?
Oh and doula is dropping off her birth video tonight <snigger>. Poor dh doesn't seem keen at all bless him

Back from GP who prescribed me rectogesic for piles (she says it's fine in pregnancy but leaflet says not to use - any advice SES??), co-cocodamol for after pains (hee hee eh Sorky ) and lactolose for side effects of the last one . I needed some for dd3 anyway, so all happy
TINKS, looks like good milk/food mix. I remember with dd1 having to include lots of yogurts etc as she went off milk at around 6 months!
Great news of weight gain SES- I think sensible to avoid referral. I know it's not quite what you wanted, but if he's putting weight on surely he's heading in the right direction? Do you feel better after the appointment or more stressed?
Oh and doula is dropping off her birth video tonight <snigger>. Poor dh doesn't seem keen at all bless him

hi starting weaning her on hv recomendations @ 4 mnths same as i did for dd1

she has had all sorts of purees - green bean,sweet p,pear,apple,carrot etc gr8 fun

Argh, stoopid phone.
That shouldve said "I don't think anyone else has weaned.

@ whoops!

I don't anyone else has weaned yet Tink, sorky baby still feeds when she wants to, but seems to be becoming a bit more regular I've noticed this last week or so.

I'm not planning on using purees, but did buy some bibs, spoons and matching bowls from Asda the other day and guess what?........ They're PINK!

oh ye whoops and

10pm - 5ozs

in total - 21ozs a day

Jules that doesn't sound like very much milk

hi ses - glad owen has put on weight
bump - have replied on other thread
diege - u r a worrier like me

how r your los feeding and sleeping brackens routine is as follows:-

7:30am - feed - 3ozs
9-9:45am - sleep
11am - feed - 5ozs and puree plus rice
12-2:30pm - sleep
2:30pm - feed - 3ozs
6pm - feed - 5ozs

she seems to have got into pattern of how much she eats @ certain times since weaning

HV just been for Owen's weigh in. He has gained weight but not a huge amount - 2.5oz in a week. That still only makes him 7lb 13oz when his birth weight was 8lb 9oz and he's 5 weeks tomorrow.
Guess I just need to be pleased that this is his highest weight except for his birth weight and he's headed in the right direction now.
HV seemed tempted to refer us to GP but didn't and is coming back for another weigh in on Monday.

Diege - glad you're feeling a bit better. The more I think about it, the more just a couple of cm over really doesn't seem that significant.

Yes LBOX, doula actually rang this morning after I'd spoken to her yesterday after appointment. She advised me to ring supervisor as she knew I'd still be stressed today

Thanks SORKY! He is lying head down, sideways down apparently, which I presume may have made my bump stick out more! I've also had the uterus comment (though 'knackered' was the adjective they used for me ). So what's this about bigger babies being easier to birth???!!! They just rip you in 2 and fall out?

Diege - sorry, Xposted. Did you consult your Doula? She may have some advice?

LBOX, re: piles wait until you get to 38 weeks then the itchies start . Oh and caffeinated coffee has same effect on me

All in know Diege is that when I was sent for a growth scan with Dd2, the consultant said it was the way the m/w had measured me and because my uterus was a bit lax ( cheeky wench) when I lay down the baby could move a bit more (this was at 32 weeks though).

Sure enough, when the consultant measured me properly, ie, over where she was actually lying, I was spot on for dates. She scanned me anyway and said all was fine.

She was 8lb 12.

I think it's been the m/w tbh. At this stage of your pg if they were even remotely concerned they'd be talking about a scan, then a week later another scan then maybe induction, by which time you'll def have had him.

I mean, look at how long Nat had to go back and forth before they did anything for her, and she really did have a little tiddler.

Bigger babies are easier to birth anyway

Ses - could DS be slightly uncomfortable from his procedure still? Don't want you to think that he is in pain or anything, but I suppose if you can't find any other reasons for fussing, that could be one?

LB - I agree with Sorky RE: your DD. When my neice was born nephew, though fully trained, started wetting the bed at night. They also said that he was distracted at nursery school/didn't want to go. The teacher felt he thought he was missing out on what was going on at home. I think the appearances of LO's affect them for a bit until they get used to the idea.

As for my piles (and again, sorry this is so TMI! ) they never hurt or itch, it's just when things get, um, backed up, there's straining and blood. I never thought to have them checked out, I just switch to caffeinated coffee instead of the usual decaf for a few days, eat some raisins and hope for the best. It usually goes away.

Hello! LB, sounds like problems with dd could well bge due to appearnace of ds, although having said that all of mine started the same lark at age 2, when no new baby here. It's really frustrating, esp when nothing seems to work (I remember dd2 making herself sick in her bed if we ignired her - happy days..)but it is just a stage. I think we struggled through with a mixture of controlled crying (from me) and dh getting all soppy and sleeping on floor by bed (too well-trained.)Dd3 has just started to do the same, so feeling some of your pain.

SORKY, have vision of you being frog-marched away from computer by dcs .
Great news on norkage front MOOS! If you're anything like me make the most of it . Have had 2 rather swanky bf vests delivered, along with my support knicks this morning. Strangely enough a purchase that I can't get excited about. And the knicks look awfully small..Still better too small than too big when it comes to tummy control I suppose!

Interesting about measurements etc SORKY..I've just got off the phone from speaking to the supervisor of midwives, as was concerned what would happen re: birth plan if I went into labour before appointment with 'suspected' ph but no diagnosis (I do get myself wound up about these things..)She said it would normally be a measurement of 3-4cm over, and a referral to day unit to confirm by 2 separate mws, before a scan was ordered and then possible diagnosis, so didn;t seem too concerned. Said that mw yesterday would have referred to day unit today if she had been concerned, rather than leaving till next week.
Looking at my notes again, my mw has actually written down 40cm (she had said 41cm), so according to my notes I'm only 1.5 weeks ahead . She also said that where there were underlying problems, they would almost always see polyhydramniosis developing week by week, far earlier on. She says if I went into labour before next Thursday that they would assess me properly beforehand, to see if there were any concerns about fluid levels etc, but that usually in mild cases you can still have your active birth etc. So nice just to have a conversation with someone who actually listens! She must be a mumsnetter Sorry for going on a bit about this but needed to get it out!
SES, please don;t worry too much about weigh-in, I'm sure all will be fine When is your appointment?

Hi LB have replied.
Ds2 has been asking to be picked up more as well. I stop what I'm doing immediately and pick him up, he has a 4 or 5 second cuddle, then wants to be down again.
I think this is possibly down to Dd2's appearance and him simply wanting to know that he is still important

Diege, I thought you had to be +/- 4cm before they worried. Could it be the way the m/w measured you perhaps? Sorry for piles, sound horrid.
It won't be long now

Mattress is wonderful! It's like lying on a cloud!

Woohoo for norkage Moos, make the most of it

Waves to all, kids are dragging me away.

Morning all... DS slept from 9 till 3 last night but was again up every hour from then. Butsee here any advise would be good...

Diege sorry about piles, I know how you feel I really suffered with them with ds. Didn't have any with dd... hope gp just takes your word for it...

LBOT hope yours clear up soon as well. But get them treated because if you dont the bleeeding could effect your iron levels...

Ses he could be picking up on stress if you are feeling abit worried about today... Try to relax and let him decide what to do.... I really hope today goes well I am sure he will have put on weight!!

hi to everyone else...

Morning all!

DS is not settling well this morning and I can't work out if he's hungry, got wind, fighting tiredness, his body clock is changing, he's preparing for his grand weigh in or all of the above! As I type, he's just gone in his sling and is half asleep so we'll see...

LBOT - sorry I never replied yesterday. My experience with breast soreness is that it came back and didn't really go away but was never as bad as the first trimester.

Diege - hope GP sorts you out with something for those piles. Oouch!!

BNJP - hope you and DS had a better night and he's still turning that corner.

Kay - Lavender is so cute!!

BB - congrats on scan. I will be good to hear from you more often!

Moos - LOL at norkage

Glask - glad you had a good birthday

Hello tink, Sorky, GYo, anyone else lurking...!

Hi LBOX! Poor you with the bleeding - mine aren;t that bad yet, but are increasing in size and are extremely itchy and painful when I sit down. Will be good to get some meds today, although a little worried that the dr. will have to look at them. Surely they'll take my word for it??

Diege! Sorry about your piles - if it makes you feel better, got the same over here. Actually had to warn DH the other night that I had had lots of bleeding and thought I managed to clean it all, but if he saw a droplet on inside of toilet not to freak out. Sorry that was WAY TMI!!! Anyway, hoping you get some relief.

And WHEN is this baby coming!?!? <taps fingers impatiently> Glad you're feeling better about yesterday's appointment. 2cm is nothing! I thought they weren't even supposed to raise any alarms unless you were measuring more than 5! It's probably more down to your physique than actual fluid.

Hi BB! Glad to hear about your lovely scan! Adn like the others, hoping your placenta does as it's told!

Kay that rabbit is so adorable! Makes me want one! And Lavendar is a perfect name (well done Sorky! )

Hi Moos

sorky - ye for mattress
diege - sorry for piles, sending over labour vibes
bb- wow 20 weeks glad scan all well

Oh dear Diege, sorry for your poor bottom, I hope things get better soon.

How did DS do last night LB, any better?

Good to hear from you BB, glad your scna was good and hope your placenta wanders up a bit!

I am very today, as overnight I appear to have had a visit from the norkage fairy (DH is pleased too!)

Morning! Nothing happending here, not even bh . I have however developed the most spectacular piles you've ever seen so have dr's appointment this afternoon to get some of the strong stuff prescribed!
Love the rabbit KAYZ! LOL at Sorky's rabbit broodiness
Hi BB! I can't believe you're 20 weeks already! Why do everyone's elses pregnancies go so quickly?? Don't worry about low-lying placenta, quite common at 20 weeks and they nearly always resolve by 30 weeks

Feeling a bit better about mw appointmrnt yesterday. I think that if it is polyhydramniosis it's not caused by some of the sinister things I googled, simply because it's developed so late whereas most cases involving problems with baby start at end of 2nd trimester. Plus I was only 2cm over dates...no doubt I will swing towards disaster scenario later on, but that's just me .
Hope everyone is well; sun back here!!

Hey all

Sorry ive been a bit absent, have a week off coming up so hopefully will catch up but nothing guaranteed life still hectic atm!

Had 20week scan yesterday, all went well, baby happy healthly correct size for dates so all good! Have a low lying placenta though so have to be re-scanned at 32 weeks to check its moved so i dont have to have a C-section, i dont mind though means i can see baby again!

Hope everyones ok, bunny is cute kays!! Hope your on your way to baby diege!!

Will try and catch up soon, hi to everyone ive missed!! x

Happy Birthday Glask, glad you enjoyed your day

Kayz that rabbit is gorgeous!! May I a just have a slight preen that you chose my proferring of Lavender?
She actually does look a beautiful Lavender colour doesn't she?
Has she settled in okay? More questions....where did you get her from? have I said how utterly gorgeous she is? How much did she cost? Do the boys love her?
Ooh I'm broody for a rabbit!!!

Diege you will labour soon. All this stopping and starting will be doing a lot of work effacing and dilating you. I bet once it starts for real you'll go off like a rocket
<fingers crossed you get some sleep, or have a baby, whichever you prefer>

Speaking of sleep, we get our new mattress tomorrow. I can't express how excited I am

<<pops head into wagon very quickly>>

Glask- HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!

Diege- sorry about the bad MW appt. Hope you are ok. PS have forgiven you for not letting me win the syndicate )

Got to run but hopefully catch up before I go on hols..(though will monitor once away via phone for baby delivery updates)

<<HUGE waves to everyone>>

diege - sorry you are feeling down sure you will go into labour soon
and no googling!!

thanks for the birthday wishes... went to blackpool tower and it was loads of fun, but i've come back with the mother of all headaches!!

will be on tomorrow i should think now... onl y popping on to say hi!!

oh and Diege- would be fab if your absence was due to giving birth to your boy right now!!

Also- DD2 was weighed this morning and is now 8lb 1.5oz... i'm thinking she'll be about 0.5oz heavier by now... and my birth weight 24yrs ago today was 8lb2oz...

Here she is!!!

We need a new thread name soon.

Lavender is a gorgeous name KAYZ We called ours 'Wiggles' when I was little after the Topsy and Tim rabbit

Diege, I'm sure you'll be fine!!! But don't google!!!

Our rabbit is here!! I'm going to try to get some pics. Think we're going with Lavender as her name.

Thanks LBOX and SES . I think I'll start a thread, but am really focusing on keeping calm as I don't want the last few days of my (final) pregnancy to be clouded by unnecesary worry

Diege - sorry you've come back from MW feeling more stressed. No need for you to google anymore though as I've done so on your behalf. One common theme is that un the majority of cases there is absolutely nothing to worry about especially following a clear 20 wk scan.
Step Away From Google Now!!!
I bet there's others on MN that will have had this. Worth starting a thread or searching?

Oh, Diege I'm sorry you're feeling stressed. But it can't be that bad if they're willing to let you go a week before being seen again. And it's great that she thinks you'll deliver before then. Just focus on having your little guy in your arms - he'll be here before you know it. Take care of yourself and put those feet up and relax.

Am mega stressed after midwife appointment Mw says I have polyhydramniosis (too much amniotic fluid) and I'm measuring 41 weeks at 38 plus 4. So of course I come home and google and feel even worse, and am worried now there's something wrong with the baby.. I have an appointment to see the consultant next Thursday, but she thinks I'll deliver before then. Sorry for the me post, but I was feeling so excited and looking forward to the birth, and now I'm just worrying and stressed

hi

oh kay very excited for your friend what a lovely pre wedding suprise and gr8 idea 2 wrap up the test

ses - meet up sounds great

hi - lenni and moosy

oh and no diege hopefully a good sign

LB, I spent many many hours sat beside DD2's cot with my little finger in her mouth while she slept, it was the only way to keep her asleep and not wanting to be fed. They both were less sick after they'd been asleep for longer.

Glad you two had a nice day today, and I am too at all the meetups! We need to get ourselves organised for a southern/midlands meet, did we ever make any decisions?

Afternoon all. Firstly Ses thank you so much for a lovely afternoon. We will have to do it again soon we all had a lovely time and Jessica can not stop talking about baby owen and the dogs..

Ses's owen is utterly adorable. He is still all curled up and I admit he made me all broody!!! He slept well and fed well and she is doing such a fab job that he will do nothing but florish now......

I think we should do a london meet up once Moose has dropped. We could take over a hotel and everything!!!!

Diege is that man moving yet??? Why is it we spend most of our lives waiting on the male half of the species...

Well after a bad start today got better and better.... Owen has been happy and smiley all day and only cried when he was hungry. He has only been a little bit sick as well so I really do think that the face he fed lots last night is linked to him being so sick this morning. Over feeding can make reflux worse!! So if anyone has any ideas of how I can limit his night feeds I would love to hear them (but he wont take a dummy or a bottle )

IDOB I used bio oil and it is great...

Hi to everyone else

Glad you guys had a lovely visit, Ses and LB

Ses - Did the soreness continue for the remainder of the pregnancy?

Meet up with BNJP and her beautiful DC was great. (They really are beautiful with gorgeous blue eyes!) DS was v unsociable and slept most of the time in his sling

BNJP - thank you for coming over
Maybe another time I'll be able to meet you half way or we can go shopping in Maidstone or maybe a central bigger southern meet...

Kay - yay for your friend! Lovely news!

LBOT - I had exactly that with boob pain so don't worry. Hope MW appointment gets sorted.

IDOB - I agree with Kay about Bio oil - worth the money. Also, I think DH got fed up with my teary moments which were mainly 2nd trimester. I remember it feeling so awful but not being able to explain it. Sending you a sneaky hug...

STT - where do you live?! Could you do a Reading or a London meet up?

Diege - hope you enjoyed Nandos. I've still never been! Hope the spices help hurry things along!

Yes, a bit shell-shocked but she is very happy!!

She is planning on wrapping the test and giving it to him after the wedding reception when they go to the hotel!!

Kay - is your friend happy about her PG? Sounds perfect to me! Other than the fact that she'll have to be good about drinking on the big day - but a few glasses of champagne can't hurt!

And I'm totally like you with trying on clothes! More than one fashion show has taken place in my living room! Your DH is just a guy!

OOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

My friend has just come round to do a PG test and she is PG!!!!!!!!!!! Due Valentine's Day!!! And she gets married on Saturday!!!!!!!!!!!!

hi

definetly have something spicy and no more baths

kay - exciting about trying thos year kay and clothes - i always try clothes on you need to see if they fit and it is exciting having new things to wear

idob - normal to be teary

Just wanted to check if I am really sad or normal. I ordered myself some new clothes at the weekend. Just 3 tops, 2 dresses, some jeans, some leggings and some gorgeous wedges. They all arrived today and I found myself like a kid at xmas and rushed upstairs to try them on.

DH thinks I am mad but does anyone else do it?

Thanks guys, I'm glad I'm not the only one to have these teary days. Could do with an evening on the sofa I think but going to friends for dinner tonight and don't want to cancel - it'll probably be great and stop me moping .

STT -sorry you are having teary days too . Where do you live - I'm sure a few wagoners must be within easy traveling distance.

LBOT - that's crazy, surely you have to see the midwife before then. Sounds like they just don't want to move the appt you have booked. LOL at prams - I'm just refusing to even look at other prams now in case I see something that changes my mind. Def going for the red vigour 3+ and I'm going to get the carrycot (even though they only do it in black now and I really wanted it in red). It's probably not necessary but you only have 1 PFB .

Glask - happy birthday!

I was awfully tearful!! I still am actually. I watch that biggest loser on itv and I cry at nearly every episode. Considering there is one every weekday, I do a lot of blubbing.

Oh Diege, how exciting! Up and mobile, up and mobile!

My pre-labour went on for four days with DS, contracting all night then dozing during the day, think he was preparing me for his own nocturnal habits! Hope its not too long for you now.

IDOB, I think the tearful thing must be par for the couse at this stage, coz I just keep bursting into tears and every minor blip seems to be an absolute mountain to climb. Hang on in there, remind yourself its all natural, let out the tears when you can, and take lots of deep breaths! <<Have a mid-2nd trimester hug >>

Why does no-one live near me? I want to meet up .

Ooooh, Diege! Good luck! Hoping it all progresses for you at just the right pace! You do have that bag packed, right?

LB - so sorry about the set back Hoping it's just a 1 step forward, 1/2 step back thing. Keep up the good work!

IDOB - So sorry for the emotional day But it happens sometimes, you need to let yourself get it out! But if that's not doable at work, then have some chocolate!

Kay - Lovely about the rabbit! Mine was Thumper - somewhat predictable! Is it a boy or a girl? Love Lavendar

GYO - hope you had a lovely birthday. yes, do tell us what DH made for you! Still no pram decision, but I'm leaning more and more towards the Bee. biggest concern is still the size. I was in Waitrose yesterday which is Bee city and saw babies of differing sizes in them - some were fine, some looked totally cramped. But then I was on overground train - rush hour and jam packed because of the tube strike and saw a woman with a Britax and one with a regular Bug and thought there's no way I'm doing that with something that big - so, another point for the Bee then. So confused!

Glask - Happy Birthday!

Sorky - Sounds like a great night out with the girls! Your DH must be an angel - and so nice that your DD slept through!!!

Ses & LB - have a lovely visit! Take pics!!!!

STT - it seems all our clothes are black anyway I guess it's the NYer in me coming out! So I just throw them all in together! DH did laundry while I was away - it's still on the bed in the spare room in a pile not folded

So I'm 34 weeks tomorrow - my boobs were really sore for the first tri, but have since settled down. This morning I woke up and they're very tender. Is this supposed to happen at this point? Is there a reason why? I'm sure it's normal, but just thought I'd ask. I'm also a bit concerned as this little boy is definitely not in position yet! He's moving all around and normally I can't tell what's what, but on the train this morning I know he was definitely transverse as I felt a head and a bum! and they were on opposite sides of my tummy!

Also really annoyed with the mw again! I have an appointment on June 25, but for selfish reasons was wanting to see if I could get in earlier to ask her a few questions (mostly trying in vain to find out how long overdue they'll let me go and about his general size & position to see if I can help my parents decide when to come over). Called the surgery and they told me the next available appointment is 20 July! That's 4 days before my due date! Aren't I supposed to see the mw fortnightly from 36 weeks?

Have something spicy!!!

Just to update, things seemed to be progressing nicely until having a bath at 10am when contractions slowed to one every 30 mins . Seeing midwife this pm anyway, but looks like this 'prelabour' thing I read about . Still, am hopeful something's happending, albeit slowly? Off to nandos for lunch now

Get bio oil IDOB!!! It is really good.

Ooo how exciting Diege - I will be checking in regularly for updates!

Jules - enjoy tumbletots

BNJP - sorry DS was sick again last night. Hopefully the meds are just taking a little while to settle and you'll see an improvement again today.

Sorky - yah for night out and for DD sleeping well.

Kay - hooray for rabbit, your boys will love it. You'll have to post some pics when it arrives.

I've woken up feeling all teary this morning for no real reason. I think I'm maybe a bit stressed about DPs interview tomorrow as I REALLY want him to get offered the job so he can move up. Also noticed I am getting stretch marks on my tummy . I'm not surprised - I just have that skin type <sigh> but was hoping they wouldn't start yet. I'm only 24 weeks so how bad will they be by 40 weeks ? Not something I would usually get upset about but the hormones seem to be in full flow today. Could do with a little cry but think I might get some strange looks in the office .

go diege good luck

kay exciting about rabbit

ses sorry about sick again

off to tumble club with girls

Ooh how exciting Diege! Yes please keeping us posted is essential

I am a wee bit there is a mini meet going on. Have a lovely time you two

Pics of rabbit plz Kayz, she sounds a lovely colour., how about Lavender? All the rabbits we knew as kids, had flower names, except one friend who called hers Starskey hehehe

Glad you had a lovely day GYo

See how he gets on today LB hopefully it's just a blip.

Had a fab evening, I drank a glass of something for you all
Dd2 slept from 8-4 with a dreamfeed at 10pm, but crucially then slept from 4-7.30am!! No hourly feeds.
I woke up engorged, but rested.
Had to express milk out and got 3oz after she'd finished!

Hope everyone has a lovely day

Oh and we are talking about ttc this year!!!!

Oh diege I really hope this is it... Right I am off to get the kids ready speek to you all tonight..

Does sound like it would be good timing Diege! Fingers crossed!! V exciting

Ooooh Diege, I have my fingers crossed for you!!

Hello! Enjoy your meet-up SES and LB! Hope last night was just a blip LB - it might be that things get gradually better rather than resolving overnight?
Happy birthday GLASK! Hope you have a lovely day
KAYZ, great about the rabbit; look forward to piccies .
Well not sure what's going on here. Have been having irregular contractions since about 4.30am, seem to be spacing out a bit now I'm up and mobile. Dh has dropped older dds at childminders, and will be back to get dd3 to drop at nursery in a minute. Really hope this is it as timing would be perfect with all 3 looked after <control freak that I am> . Will update soon as

I like Smokey. My rabbit was a lovely gingery/sandy colour and was called Logan. I'd love to get another but not so easy with the dogs as I do think they should be regularly taken out of the hutch and handled.

Thanks but should be fine as popped into town yesterday with mum. I've got some stuff we could have for lunch.
Btw, the journey can be v mixed dependant on traffic so don't worry if you're early/late - we'll be here!

She is a really light grey/lilac colour so we did think about Smokey but not sure.

Happy birthday Glask....

Kay we have two g pigs called charlie and lola.....

ses we are hoping to leave here at 9.30 so looking to get to you around 11, do you need me to pick up anything on the way?

Morning Kay! V excited for you re rabbit and hutch. You'll have to post some piccies! Have you got a name for the rabbit yet?

Glask - HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! Hope you have a good day getting spoilt

Haha! x-posted with you BNJP!!
Sorry things didn't improve overnight
Hopefully a small set back and he'll continue to make progress.

Morning,

GYo, Hope you had a good birthday!!

Glask, Happy birthday!!! Hope you have a great day!!

STT, Hope you get something sorted with cleaning, our house is awful but it just seems like once I tidy it, it gets messy again. I'm sure DS1 follows me pulling everything back out again!

We have a rabbit and a hutch. Well we are getting them this afternoon!!! We can't wait but have no idea what to call it!!

Hope you are all ok!!

Morning!

STT - me and DH tend to do separate loads of washing too but mainly due to my paranoia about mixing colours, delicates, etc. DH tends to do one main load a week by chucking the entire contents of his washing basket in the machine all at once. I think I'm a bit too paranoid and just have to separate all my washing!

GYo - what was DH cooking for you in the end?

DS and I are looking forward to meeting up with BNJP and her DCs later

Well it didn't last! Owen had me up most of the night either feeding or being sick!! I need a shower. I am holding out hope that he is getting better and this is just a small set back though. Sleep is (after all) for the week, wont be on again as I am going to see ses..

Sorry for disappearing earlier - thanks so much for the airtime on 'parenting techniques', I do feel much better for just posting that I don't know what the ** I'm doing! I don't think I'd realised quite how much I'd been worrying about 'doing the right thing' and its good to have some reassurance from everyone (regardless of no. of kids btw), I should have more faith in the whole 'doing what feels right and works for me and mine and sod everyone else!'

As for the washing - we started off washing separately as DH used conditioner on his clothes when we met and I was allergic, and its just carried on that way. TBH, I wouldn't change it, the only time he's ever tried to help by doing mine, he's shrunk stuff! And at least he can't blame me if he runs out of clean pants / shirts / socks.

As for ironing, we don't really do that either - DH just does his work shirt for each day the night before. All works quite well really.

He's just crap at tidying and cleaning. He thinks the best thing to do is leave everything out and about (anyone seen Charlie and Lola ) so that you can easily find it when you need it. Yeah, no sh1t when you trip over it!

I've spent loads of time browsing the housekeeping boards, and also the FlyLady website, and tried to implement it today, and I'm really impressed with the results - I just need to keep it up for longer than one day!

Anyway, thanks all, next time I won't stew for quite so long...

Mmm GYO champagne! Even though I don't drink champagne is one that I do like (though well-diluted with orange juice ). Emjoy your meal!
SES, AP is 'attachment parenting' - I didn't know until SORKY told me when she used the initals and I asked too
Dh out to his yoga class, and we have arranged childcare for tomorrow so don't have the school run. Even walking small distances now is painful, although can't really explain why (ie. no spd or anything like that) Just the general bump weight I think! Will be so glad to get this baby out now, as it's not as if I'm spending leisurely days in a sunny garden - just whining about pains and getting cross about my inability to pick anything off the floor! Def. no no.5 for me!!!

Definately Ses, would also love to meet Owen.

Reckon if he is sleeping better he must be eating better too

Have a fab evening Sorky!

LB- I will also have a drink for you

LOL Diege... enjoy any "application"- hard to enjoy as such but still

DH just gave me glass of champagne and is cooking something im not allowed to see! Love being banned from kitchen.

Hello!!

Had a good time in town - treated mum to lunch at Costa as a thank you for all her help.

GYo - glad you've had a good birthday. Yay for SG growth. Can't wait to meet her, we'll have to do another meet up when you're back from hols.

BNJP - So happy to hear of DS progress. Must be a huge relief to know something's working. Let's hope it's the meds and you can be back on the chocolate brownies before long!

Sorky - not totally sure about feeding progress with DS. He definitely has more movement in his tongue and seems to be sleeping more soundly so fingers crossed!
Enjoy your time out with the girls!

Jules - glad you got groups sorted and enjoy aerobics.

Diege - officially any time then!
Btw, don't know if I'm being dense, but re parenting techniques, what is AP?

Hope you have a lovely evening sorky. DS has been a bit sick this afternoon but not half as much as before and he is still really happy!!

Sorky have a glass for me please!! Diege how are you feeling?

Happy bday GYO Good going on lo weight!!!

ooh SORKY, out anywhere nice?
GYO, glad you had a lovely birthday and were spoiled . Sounds like baby GYO is doing wonderfully! I'll have a word with dh aboiut those directly applied whatjamadoes

Well said Diege

Glad you had a lovely Birthday GYo

Glad you got sorted Jules

Hoorays all round Can anyone tell I'm in "get dressed to go out, sans enfant, mode"?

Tralalalalala!

I intend to be a wee bit squiffy

Hello everyone
Thanks for the lovely lovely birthday wishes from everyone
Sorry I’ve been a bit absent lately. Seem to have not had 5mins to myself on the pc for ages. That’s 5mins with 2 hands so I can type a proper message

Today we’ve been out with our NCT friends for lunch, was very nice. DH made me breakfast and is cooking tonight
I’ve had lots of lovely gifts, vouchers for clothes, spa, and other things and a new bag from DH – I feel very spoilt

STT- sorry you are feeling down. You aren’t ungrateful at all, it must be very hard adjusting to being a SAHM. Think you should cut yourself some slack and sit down with nice cup of tea and cake. Stuff the housework! (though I do know how hard it is to ignore it when you are at home all day!)
LB- so pleased for you that DS hasn’t been sick today. Long may it last. Sending lots of unconventional wagon hugs your way

Glask- spider sounds horrid! Hope DS got on ok without a nap

Moosy- I love ginger cake, please send some over!

Kayz- any luck finding a hutch

Hi Ses – glad the TT is sorted and DS is ok. Hope you can relax a bit now.

Hi IDOB

Sorky- didn’t watch that programme but debated doing so on catch up… maybe not!

LBOT- hello, any luck with the pram decision. I still recommend the Bee, I had similar concerns re the height but it hasn’t been an issue!

Hi Diege- come on girl, do I need to suggest directly applied prostaglandins to get things going. You have 8hrs to give birth today!!!

Finally update for the small giraffe, weighed and measured and is now 11lbs 12oz and has grown a whopping 6cm in 4wks!
She is only on 50th centile for weight but 98th for her length!!

We go away on hols on Friday, cant wait though not sure I can cope with MN withdrawal. Hope phone works in Dorset!

Right, got to sort out mine and the SG’s holiday clothes. Back laters!

hi

great news about no sick

have sorted out groups



can finally get out of the house

doing aerobics tonitr missed last 2wks

have a place in music with mummy group starting next wed
and taking both dds to tumble club thursdays starting tom

Wow that's brilliant news LB . Sounds like you've really turned a corner, and that the way you've given the meds has had an effect. Really pleased for you, you so deserve a break!
Interesting about the different parenting techniques. I always get quite cross about how intolerant some of the threads on mn can be if people choose techniques that are seen to be 'wrong'. I mean we've all been there, this trial and error parenting, and while (for eg.) AP isn't my cup of tea, I am in awe of people who try and succeed. Just as I get cross when people slam gf who've never read the book, when it saved my sanity!. (but this time of course it may not work and I may choose to carry ds in a sling at sleep times etc!) Horses for courses and all that...we'll all just trying our best!

TINKS, plan for groups sounds good. Are you able to meet-up with other mums outside of a class context, just for a coffee etc? I'm lucky that I have a friend who had her baby last week, so a bit of social contact, but I did find it hard with dds when they were babies as I knew very few people in the area. It's a shame we don't all live nearer!

IDOB, totally agree with what you say about other people and their nit-picking, usually based on some insecurity or nagging doubt that they didn't try something etc when they wanted to (like bf for eg.)

GLASK, great going on the e-bay front. I always wonder when a BIN goes quick if I shouldn't have put it on for more, but if I do it always ends up with bids and makes far less at auction!

LOL at husband manual I should say that 'training' is an on-going process (a bit like dog training I hear), and that skills need to be constantly reviewed and refreshed. Never rest on your laurals thinking that last week's clean will become a regular thing, and remember that if they have to come to get you to 'show' you that they've done, that this means they are only part of the way to becoming fully fledged. Also, we must stop this 'helping' talk!!!!! If you want 50/50 (you may not)then you have to see them as key player, and not domestic assistant. And what's this 'washes his own clothes' thing??? ; get him to stick some of yours/dcs in if he's putting a wash on!!! (unless of course you fear mixed colours accidents...) Right, sermon over

Town with friend was good - her twins are gorgeous, and are such little characters. Nearly one, but were several weeks premature and have had a few health probs, so still in teeny clothes! Friend is also a mw, and took one look at my bump and thinks labour will be any day. Eek!

I hope its the meds because then I can have my (chocolate ) cake and eat it !!

As you say every hour from 4.30 is better than ever hour from 1.00!! So I really hope dd2 gives you more than 4 hours tonight!

DS fed every hour from 4 but he went through from 8 till 4 so I am really chuffed. I just need to try and make the last feed a bit later because I am not going to bed at 8 !

I am going to continue to go dairy free for a week and just check today is not a fluke.. If he continues to be sick free I will start introducing dairy into my diet slowly!! If he starts being sick then I will cut it out again if not then I will eat normally again!!!

Sorky I missed "My child wont sleep" but glad I missed it now. I did watch (quite a while ago now) "My child wont eat" and I was astounded at what some children went through!!

So sorry for the me posts but I am sooooooo happy!!!

My instinct says no so I'll stick to that I think.
I remembered to swaddle her last night and she went from her dreamfeed at 11pm until 4.30am, which is back to the best she's been. 'Course she fed at 5.30 and 7am as well but we'll ignore that
Will try that again tonight. I can function on 4 hours sleep, it's not ideal but better than only 2hours x

So so pleased for you
Think it's prolly the meds btw

Me too... !! Have you thought any more about weaning dd2?

Aw! I'm grinning like loon here for you

really happy.... He is full of smiles and has even been laughing!!!

Sorry I went awol there.
LB that's absolutely fabulous news!!

I'm sooo pleased for you and Ds Is he a happy chappy today?

And while we are on the subject of my wonderful ds he slept last night from 8 till 4....

So do you think it is the meds that I can now get down him or the 4 days of dairy free that I have done??

Hooray LB, that's fantastic!

No no nothing like that..... DS has not been sick today or last night!!!! This has never happened before and I am so so happy!! I really hope it isn't a one off and is rather a sign of things to come!! I can not wipe the smile off my face.

spill spill

u cant honk and then leave

Eh?

You're not pg are you LB?

hi sorky

cheers

going to go to tumble club tom with both of them is more for dd1 doesnt go to nursery on thursdays. thought that it would be good to get dd2 used to people is quite bad with strangers.
going to start music with mummy wed mornings
bracken is on waiting list for swimming lessons.
took dd1 when 4 months used to turm blue she got so cold

HONK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ah! that is sad IDOB.
Thing is they do eventually go into their own beds. I don't know of any 4/5yo that still co-sleep other than if they're ill etc. I suppose as long as both parties are happy with it then it's not a problem.
I have friends who all co-sleep together, her & husband and 2 boys (6 & 5) it's only just becoming a problem as they haven't had sex in 2 years!!!

PS Enjoy your night out tonight. I'm off to yoga this evening and really looking forward to it.

Hey Sorky, I agree but it's amazing how many people have sneered at my friend for still having my godson in their bed and brag about how their DCs never sleep with them. It makes me really as my friend is a bit of a worrier and some of these people make her doubt herself as a mum even though my godson is a happy healthy lovely little boy.

Well I don't see anything wrong in a 2.5yo still co-sleeping because I still view a toddler as a baby, but that's just me.
But I do have rather unconventional views of parenting it would appear

How's the feeding going today Ses, any improvement?

I'm out for tea with the girls again tonight, I'm dead excited!

could you not take Dd2 swimming Jules?

I know groups often run at odd times making it difficult to get back foe the pick-up, but you could go swimming with her anytime
I have wii-fit envy too

How's the aerobics classes going?

Hey STT - I am probably just being one of those irritating inexperienced people adding their penny's worth but we have friends who have co-slept and friends who were very sure they wanted DC in their own beds. It's no surprise that the ones who co-slept still have DC in their bed on a regular basis even though he is 2.5 now - I suppose you could say they have 'made a rod for their own back' but they just see that as a part of parenting. Our friends who didn't co-sleep have problems when they stay over somewhere as their DS doesn't like to sleep anywhere except in his own bed in his own room. To me its just like everything else in life - every decision has a good side and a bad side and you just have to decide what works for you. If you are happy for DS to want to come into your bed (or willing to put up with it because he is happy) why is that a bad thing? He sounds like a lovely secure little boy which is surely what we all want for our DCs?

Sorry if that is a bit of a lecture I just hate it when people feel the need to nitpick at other peoples choices just to make themselves feel better about their own decisions.

STT - thanks! Think I just thought the pain - and lashings of Lansinoh - was what everyone went through especially as it did improve a bit.
As for other people making comments, the nurse at the hospital last week told me I was making a rod for my own back co-sleeping and using sling instead of Moses basket. I wanted to scream at her "This is what he needs and is is only 4 weeks old ffs!!!"
stupidly I restrained myself!!

dd1 only goes to nursery 2 mornings and one full day.
wouldnt have time to go to a group when she is just there mornings
have tried to look into groups on wed no luck booked up

really want a nintendo wii and wii fit too much money

STT you could apply everything in that post to us too and I'm onto number 4!

Thing is every baby is different aren't they, some sleep through and some need to sleep with us. We've had both types.
I've discovered that there is no point in forcing a child to sleep on their own if it's not what they need. I've discovered the miserable route too

Dd1 was much better in a GF routine, Ds1 hated it, nor did he sleep well with us, but slept like a log in his own bed.
Even now if he's ill he'll come in our room, but once he's sorted he'll go back to his own bed.
Ds2 different kettle of fish altogether he only slept in his own bed when Dd2 came along. He didn't want to sleep next to her, so slept in his own bed (wit Dh as well for the first few nights)
Dd2 following a similar AP route atm. People no doubt think we're nuts. To us it's just the way things work in our house

On the Dh front, mine alternates between thoroughly useless and saintly, there doesn't seem to be any middle-ground or rhyme/reason to which state he's in.
I make the most of when he's good. If I ask him to help he will. After 18 years together I've given up trying to change him --as much--

The thing I find quite frustrating is just as you think you have this malarkey sorted out, like you've found, they go through a different phase and you're starting from scratch again.

Can't ignore you Sorky, no matter how grumpy! But I do seek permission to grump with you

A couple of people have made comments in the last couple of days about how we 'do welcome DS into your bed, so what do you expect' which makes me furious and I've promptly burst into tears, which I think may make them think that a) I'm pregnant & hormonal or b) they're right.

I grew up with very little physical affection (and tbh, not much emotional either) and I have made an active and conscious decision to make sure that if my beautiful little man (DS!) ever wants a cuddle or a snuggle or whatever, he can have one. And the majority of the time, that works brill for us, we certainly have a very close bond and I'm frequently told what a lovely, chilled little boy he is (they don't see his tantrums, they're reserved just for me ). I just don't see why people have to be waiting for me to mention that what I'm doing might not be great 100% of the time so that they can get there (inexperienced! pennies worth in!).

At the moment I'm really struggling with working out whether or not I should be 'disciplining him', or if its my fault he's being naughty, and if I should be, then how (time out v just talking)... god, so many different ways of doing it, and always someone to say 'its great, do it' and someone else say 'god no, think of the emotional long term damage'...

The early days were tough, learning how to deal with a new baby, then you kind of relax into it and just as you think you've got the hang of it, he grows into a new 'phase' and I'm lost all over again! At least by DC2 I should be a little more settled....

Sorry everyone.

On a plus point, I've cleaned the bathroom (including the glass shelf which has been bugging me for ages), dusted our bedroom (the surfaces that I can get to!, done the washing up, unloaded and reloaded the dishwasher, washing machine and tumble dryer, taken delivery of the tesco's shop, and put the oven on for a 'self-clean'.

Now I'm having another break.

GYo - what plans have you got for today?

LB - Sounds like you've got the meds going in well, sorry it feels bad doing it but far better than the alternative!

Ses - glad you got the tongue-tie sorted, hope it makes a big difference and huge congrats for getting through a whole four weeks of BF with tongue-tie!

Moos, Diege and any others - Do you wanna send your DH over here so they can take mine out and tell him the way of the world?!

LBOT - Think you've summed up DH really well actually, good egg, but goes astray occasionally. I think you're spot on about telling him precisely what it is I want him to help me with - but perhaps I need to work that out first too!

Hello all:

STT - poor you It does sound like your DH is a good egg, just slightly misguided at the moment. If it's anything like DH and I, we have cyclical struggles and then everything is fine for a while. Mine cooks and tidies up really well - but somehow forgot how to do laundry or change the sheets on the bed EVER! I KNOW he can do it, I've SEEN him when we were dating...Actually I don't mind, as I don't want him washing my clothes really anyway. Perhaps you can praise all that he does but explain to him how difficult it is with DS and being PG and that you can really use some help with XYZ - I find that if I ask for help with specific chores/tasks, it's more effective than a general whinge, after which he takes offense. Good luck!

Diege - maybe you should write a husband training book!

Kay - have fun looking at rabbit hutches!

Sorky - LOL! I always find the Supernanny/Little Angels programmes really interesting - it's amazing how well LO's respond to positive routines and praise and makes you wonder why anyone can't see what the problems are!

Ses - so glad the procedure seems to have taken effect already! Best of luck for a good weigh-in on Friday!

Happy Birthday GYO!

Moos - yumm, that cake sounds good! And kudos DH for brining it to you for no reason!

LB - I agree with Moos - may be uncomfortable for DS now, but better than a tube down his throat later on. Poor little chap, hope he feels better soon!

How come you can't go to groups Tink, does dd1 not go to Nursery everyday? Can you not go swimming or toddlers or something whilst she's there?

STT it's always easier to see the problems from outside
We AP as well and sometimes I do think my MIL might be annoyingly right when she's states the good ol' rod-for-back gem
We only just got Ds2 to sleep through the night at 2yo then had the baby. and I'm STILL trying to wean the little so and so off his milk!
I'm just grumpy, ignore me

Oh and whilst I'm on the subject of ignoring, I'm not ignoring anyone, I'm just shit at keeping up!
By the time I get to the top of the page I've forgotten what I've read, so if it isn't in the posts which fill the screen when I open the thread then generally I don't read it
I could apologise, but we all know it's not going to make me any better hehe x

I've sorted the kids and cleaned downstairs minus the floors. Think that's good going really.

Ooh I've remembered something.
Glask Yack for spider, I'm not a fan of them myself. Yay for bundle, how fabulous! Sounds like someone got a bargain

happy bday gyo have a great ine

i have that sleep prog recorded - i agree that it is usually down to not having a night time routine i always have made sure that both dds have a structured royutine r both great sleepers.
anyone watch mary queen of charity shops? very interesting
kay - enjoy shopping

have a quiet day today dd1 @ nursery

feel so bad for bracken cant take her to baby groups till oct when dd1 is @ school full time.
only goes in car to nursery and back

<<puts brandy coffee down, and puts out imaginary ciggie>>

Happy Birthday GYO Sorry I didn't realise! Hope you have a lovely day

Glask, glad you and DD got better sleep, were you perhaps sleeping in a more upright position? DS would only sleep (for about the first three weeks) on my chest if I was sitting up in bed - so I used to build myself a nest in my spare double room if he hadn't settled by midnight so DH could sleep. He used to wiggle up and snuggle under my chin.

Unfortunately, when he's poorly, he still tries to do it, and at 30 months he's a bit big to snuggle under my chin!!

Diege - I've always quietly thought how wonderful your DH sounds - I didn't realised you'd trained him, just thought I'd been unlucky!

Wow - I've been out grumped! Lol Sorky at your outrages! I always watch these parenting programs and think its bloody obvious what they're doing wrong, but with a very stubborn DS, buggering about all the time and blatantly not listening to anything I try to tell him with sleep issues well and truly embedded - I'm sure that you'd all say the same about me. He's only the way he is because of the way I look after him - I just don't know how to change it without going 'against' some of my basic principals - if I did, we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place. It must be a lot easier from the outside of a relationship that from within to sort things out.

Can you tell I'm fed up with pg insomnia and a 2.5 yr old DS sleeping horizontally between me and DH (we have a big bed). And a DS that won't go to sleep before 8.15. And a DH that doesn't tidy up.

Christ I'm so ungrateful.

He's a lovely little boy, I really think he needs to be in a bigger bed. He only came into ours last night because after falling out of bed (again) and trying to sleep on the floor, he heard his mummy shouting at his Daddy and wanted to come into bed with us .

And DH is wonderful at everything, except cleaning and tidying. He does cook, cleans up all dog mess (inside and out - she's getting old!), does his own washing, cooks occasionally, does all the gardening and DIY to a fab standard, deals with sweetcorn nappies that make me want to heave, rubs my back whilst I vomit while sitting on the loo with the runs and doesn't bat an eyelid...(last week on holiday!).

So I think I'm being a bit unfair.

Sorry, another selfish post. Will try harder. <<swigs imaginary brandy coffee>>

Wow, that's great Glask. They've sold quickly and going to a good home

oh i should have said that none of the other bundles on ebay were selling for much more than about £5-10... if it'd been on still by 5 days into the auction i'd have reduced the price to £20 or so...

wow- looked at other premmy bundles yesterday before i listed mine, none were as big as mine... i was selling a 140pc (though more now as i've found another bag full that i'm throwing in with it) and decided that i'd put a £30 buy-it-now on it... put it on a 10day listing as i didn't expect it to sell fast... didn't even check till just now, and it sold 20mins later and i'd had 2 questions in that time too before the person bought it!! thats so fast i can't believe it!!

I'm happy her tiny things are going to someone who obviously wants them!!

Morning!

Happy birthday GYo

Diege - I agree with IDOB, you're DH does sound well trained!

Sorky - I saw a trailer for that programme but no more - phew!

Glask - have a good day!

Moos - yay for ginger cake!

STT - I think it's been said, but your DH needs to do his bit...

Kay - enjoy your trip into town and good luck with hutch shopping!

No British Gas here today as they managed to get boiler works finished yesterday. Mum's going to come over and we're going to go unto town so I can do a bit of shopping. In the next 10 days I have the following birthdays:
brother, nephew, niece, FIL and SIL as well as Fathers Day!

Morning Glask - have a lovely day at your sisters.

LOL Sorky - I recorded that program but I'll either delete it and save myself the frustration of watching or at least make sure I'm in by myself .

Diege - hope you have a lovely time seeing your friends twins. Your DH sounds very well trained - any top tips?

GYO- HAPPY BIRTHDAY! Hope you have something nice planned.

STT - sounds like your DH needs a swift kick in the rear! I have the opposite problem with mine in that he is very very tidy and organised whereas I am a bit more 'relaxed' about housework. He def does his share but used to nag at me constantly if things weren't done to his standards. It took quite a bit of arguing discussion to reach a compromise e.g. dishes are done straight after a meal (by whoever didn't cook) but I can leave them on the draining board to dry rather than putting them away immediately. He had to understand that it is our house so we both have to be happy. Some of it sounds quite petty but it was worth it in the long run. Good luck!

LB - struggling with DS over meds sounds really tough but he seems to be getting the benefits so please don't feel bad. How are you feeling? Have you been able to get any more sleep/rest?

Moosy - Mmmmm, I just fancy some ginger cake now.

Ses - glad yesterday went well and I hope it makes feeding easier on both of you.

Kayz - happy shopping!

GYo- happy birthday!! Hope its a good one!! Your first as a mummy- thats very special for you i'm sure!!

Hello everyone else- i was scared out of my own bed at 4am this morning by a big-bad-ass spider on our ceiling!! It was enormous!! and i couldn't poke it down as it was right above DH's head... so i took me and DD2 downstairs and we slept on the sofa!! she actually slept better on the sofa with me than she normally would in the night... she was very good and went from 9pm till 2ish though but was up lots between then and 4am... but it was better sleep-wise than it has been the last couple of weeks!!

DS is on a nursery trip so i dont need to collect him till 3.15pm... taking the DD's to see my sisters... just popped on to check my ebaying!! couldn't not pop in!!

DH popped in to get DD1 for preschool earlier and handed me a MASSIVE slab of ginger cake, I don't know where it's come from, but yummmmmmy!!

Happy birthday GYo, and enjoy your shopping trip Kayz!

Don't feel bad LB, you're doing what's right for your DS, a little bit of a struggle with him is worth it for the benefits of getting the meds in and avoiding more procedures

STT, I have the same problem with DH sometimes, but now I don't wait for him to tidy his stuff up as it will never happen, I just put it in a big pile in the office where he has to deal with it himself. If he gets grumpy that I've moved his stuff then I reply "if you'd done it yourself then I wouldn't have to" and don't engage in an arguement about it!

Sorky I know what you mean about shouting at the telly, it's like the supernanny ones, most of the time it's because they have TVs in their bedrooms, don't go to sleep, get over tired and have tantrums and get no consequneces for their actions. Every time it's the same and I get so cross that I can't watch them anymore!

Ooh yes, Happy Birthday GYO!! Will try my best to go into labour today . Have you anything nice planned?

Morning! Wow, some wagon salve needed today
SORKY, I also saw bits of the programme you're talking about, but got stressed out with it that I turned off so never saw the end. I think you're right, it is parenting technique that's to blame, and I don't think parents realise sometimes that for routines etc to be established you can't just give it a couple of days. Can see how all the issues are heightened when you're in the midst of a sleep crisis yourself! Dare I ask how last niught was??
SKK, bleedin' hell give me that dh of yours for a few hours and I'll get him trained!! Sounds like the problem stems from him seeing the household stuff as fundamentally your responsibility, even when you're at work (I notice you say YOU paid for a cleaner). I feel for you, as sadly it's something that will come back again and again, esp when baby is born, and needs nipping in the bud now if possible (sorry to sound so negative). He's got to stop behaving like a kid and recognise that you're a team. OK, rant over, but is a subject close to my heart. We're pretty much 50/50 at home, but still haven't sorted dh's hoarding and piles of clothes in bathroom/top of stairs etc etc
KAYZ, enjoy your shopping trip! I have noticed they sell hutches online at Pets at Home - might be worth a peek? There is something nice about seeing one first though and buying all the kit.
Feeling a bit ropey here - bad tummy (again) so much so that dh has done school run and is coming back from work early to pick them up because heavy rain is forcast and I don't have a waterproof coat that fastens!!! (obv dh is at 'final stage training' SKK ).
Hope I don't feel worse as meeting friend in town, and I will see her twins for the first time!
Take care everyone!

Happy Birthday GYo !

I would like permission to rant please? I don't do it very often but I'm going nutty over it and it's so small a thing it's ridiculous!

Right....
I watched a tv programme (I don't watch tv usually, at all) on "why won't my child sleep?" It's a pertinent topic for us atm

Anyway, I ended up shouting at the telly at all the weak-assed simpletons who <whiney voice> "can't cope anymore"
Dh looked me absolutely stunned that I was shouting at said tv, only to receive a foul-mouthed tirade himself.
Don't poke the angry bear, is the lesson he learned.

Why do these people need to go to specialists to be told actually the problem is you, you're crap! (in so many words)

With the exception of the little boy who had narcolepsy , they were just shit at putting their kids to bed.

They had a sleep-walking 3 yo, who had the gate on her bedroom door open! She had just moved to a new house and was waking several times a night. JUST TAKE THE BLOODY CHILD INTO BED WITH YOU!!!! She's frightened about the changes, she's stressed that you're both fighting over her, SHE"S THREE FFS!

and don't even get me started on the 7yo who didn't want to sleep until 1am
useless feckers!

Sleep, as you may be able to tell, is rather pre-occupying me atm

<breathe, breeeeeathe>

i had to apologise to Dh obv , whilst he phsl at me.

<sigh> as you were, I just needed to get that out.

<wanders to the comfy corner twitching & muttering> ....sleep deprivation, my arse!

Morning all... am struggling a bit at the moment, with pg hormones. Possibly not struggling as much as DH is . I'm fed up of feeling fed up and keep bursting into tears - I'm assuming this is all par for the course at 23 weeks? I don't remember this stage particularly from last time (and it was quite a long time ago).

Most of the tears seem to revolve around my home, I'm desperately trying to get it clean and tidy, and whilst I feel like I'm constantly cleaning and tidying, every room looks like a small whirlwind has been through it. Even when I get all mine and DS' stuff straightened out, there's just soooo much of DH' crap everywhere, that I can't complete it - if I touch his stuff, he goes nuts and it seems it doesn't matter how many times or in how many different ways I ask, he's really not interested in clearing it up. And I just don't understand it, the not tidying I mean, can't he see its a mess? and if he can't, can't he see its upsetting me? Surely at least one of these should spur him on.

Now he's starting to spin out 'but I've been at work all day, didn't have time for a lunc break etc'... Great. I wonder how long this will go on for.

We need to decide by tomorrow what hours we're going to keep DS in nursery for July, he wouldn't even talk about it last night. Guess that's a decision I'll be making on my own.

Don't get me wrong, everything else is fine - its just the bloody house and housework that's really getting to me. He stopped contributing as much when I started paying for cleaners when I worked full time, even though it all still needed tidying I'd be the one that did it all. Now that I'm not working the contributions have fallen off the radar altogether. Grrrr.

Sorry.

Morning all, as you were .

Morning,

I hope you all had good nights, DS2 woke at 6 instead of 5 this morning!!

We're off shopping in the next town which is a bit bigger. Mum works there so we are getting a lift. I'm hoping to find a nice rabbit hutch.

Hope you are all ok.

I feel really mean moosy but am so determined that they will not be sticking any tube down my babys throat in 5 weeks time.... And the only way to do that is to make sure he takes the meds eats well and puts on weight.... I am also dairy free at the moment so hope this will help him!!

Sounds like a good plan LB, I remember waiting for DD1 to cry really hard each time so I could squirt it down her throat whatever works!

Feeling much better today thanks, I'm awake past 9pm!

moosy I lay him down on the floor, so he is flat. Squirt it into his cheeks and physicaly hold his mouth shut and blow on his face until he swallows. I have to do it in small squirts but it works. He screams and it isn't nice but at least he swallows

Moosy how are you feeling now? Do you have a bit more energy now.

Ses great I am really looking forward to it!!!!

Ooh! x-posted!

BNJP - Thurs is still fine. I have nothing planned until my cousin comes over about 5pm so come at whatever time suits you - even if you text me on the day. I'll post my mobile no. on FB.
Congrats on getting meds down DS!
Thanks for the NJ update - that sounds good.

Thanks Moos & Diege!

IDOB - just to second what the others have said,I'd go to the BF workshop. I tried to absorb as much info about BF as possible and I'm sure it helped with my expectations and mental preparation. I'm really pleased I've done 4 and a bit weeks now and - all being well - hope to continue to at least 6 months. I'm sure I wouldn't have persisted without all the info.

What's your trick LB? You can't tease us like that and not tell! Glad the meds are working though

Evening all. So pleased it went well for owen today ses, how is he this evening...

I have found a way of getting ds's meds in him wihtout him spitting it back out again. It is barbaric and makes me sad but I have noticed a small improvement with his sickness so it must be working..

Sleep (or lack of) is still an issue and he doesn't sleep during the day either so I never seem to catch up!!

ses are we still on for Thursday or do you want to do it another time?

Hello to everyone else I will try to be on more but just concentrating on ds at the moment as I dont want him to be admitted and messed with!!

Oh yes I saw that NJ of FB at the weekend and managed to speak to her. She is fine and her and dh are trying to sort things out which is why she is awol... I am sure that once she and dh are back on track she be back.

Glad it went well Ses, I hope it makes a difference to you both.

That's great news SES - must be a relief that it's done now. I'd give it a few days for both of you to get used to it - don't get too anxious about Friday's weigh-in - it's early days yet!

Just back from the hospital. I felt absolutely awful handing him over but DS was v brave and it was all done v quickly. I was feeding him again within 5 mins.
It's difficult to say for certain if there's any improvement but he certainly seemed to feed better and seem more satisfied. I also don't seem to be feeling as sore when feeding - I think he has been clamping his gums against my nipples to stimulate flow instead of using his tongue. I guess I didn't know that it wasn't meant to feel like it did!

Here's to it working for Friday's weigh in!

Hi TINKS!

Hello! IDOB, sounds like you have a very active bean in there, and that she may be a good size too!GLASK, long may the nap continue! I've never had one of mine carry on with naps after 18 mths or so, even though I sense they still needed one. I know a few 4 yr olds who still have them, so pefectly normal.
Arghh, my thrush is driving me mad!!! Sorry for tmi, but on top of my achey hips, period cramps and piles this is all I need!!!
Oh and have just spoken to the rudest man on the health in pregnancy grant helpline. Has been 10 wks since I sent my form in and while they've received it can't say when I'll get the money.. At this rate the baby will be here well before the grant!

today tk dd1 swimming have my mum here

hi

go diege go diege

i have bought a storage unit for dd1s room to replace her silly toybox

have bkd appoinment for 23rd of june regarding implant

beanie lol @ raspberry ripple

No I haven't! But it should be good fun!!

Hi Kay,

that looks like fun - will be lovely to see you, Freddie and Dylan again. I'm sure I can skip a day at work so I've put a quick post on the thread asking if I can come along. Have you met any of the others?

I'd go too.

IDOB I've been meaning to show you this please come. Please!!!

I would go IDOB. Is it free?

Hi all,

back from appt and, apart from the midwife running 1hr late, everything was fine. She felt my tummy and said "hmmm, growing well" which either means the baby is a good size or she's noticed my new addiction to raspberry ripple ice-cream . She had freezing hands which set beanie off wriggling and kicking like mad - she was trying to listen to the heartbeat but she couldn't manage for more than a couple of secs as she said the baby kept wriggling so she kept having to chase it probe/microphone thing.

She has given me a number for a breastfeeding workshop for mums-to-be they run on a sat morning - do you think it will be worth going? I do want to breastfeed but won't they cover that at NCT classes?

Sorry for me me me post . Back later.

Glask, DS1 occasionally has a nap but more often than not he goes without.

DH has just home and nope he hasn't been given another day off!!

All of mine have dropped their naps before 2.5 yo! So I think you're doing really well to have a 3yo still napping.

Getting ready for swim lessons here. Got to prepare veg for tea tonight as I won't have time when we get back.

Good luck with ebaying

how many tiems can i post to myself without looking insane??!!

right i am off now. will probs come back later as i still need to do some more listings on ebay.

he's starting to calm himself down now... and i think i can hear him putting his mess away... normal routine for him before he climbs into bed to sleep...

I have tried changing bedtime to earlier but then he gets up even earlier in the morning... and he will sleep from 7.30pm (goes to bed at 7pm) till 6.30am (but stays in his room playing till 7am)... with an earlier bedtime he'd only see DH on his days off, so 2 days a week which isn't enough really... and it doesn't make for better sleeping at nights, plus i then have to deal with an unbearable little boy for a couple of hours in an afternoon which really tries my patience...

he's always needed his nap but in the last couple of months (dare i even say since DD2 arrived) he's been like the child from hell....

right- (as usual for me right now) i'm off to get the DC's a nap. DD2 had me up every hour from midnight onwards for a feed which she's been like for the last 2/3weeks...

and on top of that DS is missing his nap for the next 2 days as he's on a nursery trip tomorrow then on thursday we're taking them to blackpool tower for my birthday. He's currently throwing stuff round his bedroom screaming as he's so 'over-tired.... is it normal for a 4 and a half year old to still need a nap?? without it he'll be so angry and unbearable to deal with come 5-6pm!! so he needs a good hours nap to keep him going till bedtime....

yeah she's currently between new baby size and newborn... so she's definatley grown. when i was ironing the premmie stuff this morning it was actually hard to believe she ever fit into half of it!!

Though now she's the average size of a newborn at around 7lb9oz (as of last friday) everyone keeps thinking shes a brand new baby when she's actually nearly 4mths old!! Its really irritating having to explain to everyone!!

Must feel good that she's outgrown the preemie stuff

nothing too exiting... mainly clothes... my maternity clothes that no-one on here wanted, some next clothes, and DD's premmy clothing. Have taken 3 bin bags of stuff to the chairty shop today, and still have another 3 to take... also have a fair amount of shoes to decide wether to sell or give to the charity shop....

Ooh what are you selling Glask?

sorry- still awol a fair bit- trying to keep up but not getting much time to post.

DC's are keeping me very busy... aswell as listing loads of bits on ebay too. Have had a massive clear-out of the house and wanna empty it asap so did car-boot at w/end, and listing lots of clothes on ebay.

will get back on asap.

Very!
Easy to do, kills the next day. 3 times a week, def results in a month. I guarantee it!

After I'm fit with davina I'll move up to Nell McAndrews DVD, not for the faint-hearted.

Is Davina any good? Been thinking about getting it.

I have seen the advert for it with louise redknap, post-baby, and have been thinking about it Kayz, but I've promised Dh I'll cut down my spending.
Last month I got through £500 with very little to show for it and he pays my credit card every month so he wasn't thrilled.
I have to reign myself in until I go back to work. Davina will have to do 'til then, I'm running 3 miles alternate days too, so it should see me back in my full wardrobe soon.

My birthday is in July, so maybe he'll spring for one then

Sorky, get wii fit!! It is brilliant. I did it yesterday and I really ache today.

getting a bit better Diege thanks
Shop sounds good

20 mo gap is the best for me, hardest until ds reached 15 mo but they are very close. I have a 3 year gap between ds's and it's not as good. We chose a close gap between ds2 n dd2 so they would have the same closeness <fingers crossed>

Did Davina yesterday and god do I hurt today!!!
Still if I want my abs back I'm facing some pain

perfect!

Well DS2 was concieved on DS1's birthday!!

Kay - my aunt is 21 months older than me and I'm 21 months older than my brother and we all grew up/played together and we're still all pretty close. I guess that's why I think starting TTC when #1 is a year old is ideal - 12 months + 9 months = 21 months

x-posts SORKY! How are things? Any imrpovement on the sleep front?

Hi IDOB! The stiffness you describe sounds a little like the sciatia I got, but then the pain travelled down to back of leg too - sure LBOX is right in saying it's just circulatory/adjustments to growing pressure on nerves etc!
Hi LBOX! I've also goven up on 'optimal' sleep positions, as sleep is so elusive. Usually end up on right side, which I know is the 'wrong' one . Goodness knows how women got on with their pregnancies before we knew about this useless information!
KAYZ, agree with LBOX, he's probably worried that he's offended YOU!
Internet shoppiong very frutiful, although feeling a little nauseous over how much I've spent . In the style of TINK I got...2 bf vests, 2 high-waisted pairs of support knickers (come on SES, dump the grannies!!), then had a bit of an 'Oilily' moment (my secret crush) and bought a changing bag, baby outfit and soft toy for pram. Finally onto topshop and bought shoes (for me!), and also a cute baby suit and hat.
Phew! Actually waiting in for delivery from Bbaies R Us - moses basket mattress and sheets. Think this is my equivalent of nesting

I quite like my age gap. It is 21 months and it has been hard but I imagine any age gap is hard. My cousin has 4 years between her 2 DDs and she said it was really hard because her DD1 was so used to having her all to herself.

Plus DD2 was born at the end of August and then DD1 started school 4 days after her sister was born. She thought that her parents were trying to get rid of her.

Hey LBOT, that's just how I feel. I can just enjoy hearing the heartbeat without any of the worry. My back is more stiff and achy than numb - like your legs feel after a long bike ride, just tight and like it needs to warm up and relax a bit. I think it's probably just sleeping in a bad position.

it took us 10 months to conceive dd1 and we were advised by OB to try within the first year for another baby as fertility is meant to be higher.

We fell pg when she was 11 months, after that we never had any probs.

I think there's pros m cons for all age gaps depending on how many children you want and how old you are, diege said.

Hi IDOB
Good luck at your appointment. Even though i can feel him, I still find hearing the HB reassuring/soothing. In fact even more so, because there's no panic while the mw is looking and possibly not finding the hb right away. I know he's fine, IYSWIM, and last time I actually helped her find the hb because I could tell her where he was kicking (actually she could SEE where he was kicking! )

When you say stiff, do you mean achy or numb? I get sore from time to time and I just put that down to stretching/growing pains/added pressure on joints. But a few times various bits have been numb - I was only on the train for about 15 mins the other day and when I got off I could hardly walk as my bum cheek was completely numb! I think that might be down to circulation being slightly inhibited by the extra pressure on your lower arteries?? TBH, I find it difficult enough to find a comfortable position to sleep in that I dont' feel I can even worry about whether or not it's the 'recommended' position for optimum whatever - I figure if I'm asleep then I can't be doing much damage

Kay - I agree with IDOB, your friend will be fine. He's probably worried he offended you instead!

Morning LBOT - x-posted. DP is the same, he won't even think about number 2 until this LO is here. I'm not really 'planning' our second but I don't want beanie to be an only child so I have thought about age gaps. I think a 3 year age gap would be nice but that could just be because a couple of friends had LOs who were VERY challenging at around 2yrs old (still lovely kids but very hard work with loads of tantrums) so the thought of having a newborn too is scary. Like you say though you never know how long it will take so I don't want to leave it too long.

Kayz - don't worry, I'm sure he will understand you didn't mean anything by it.

Morning all,

Kayz - that's really irritating . Does this happen a lot? Good luck looking for a rabbit and hutch. We had rabbits and guinea pigs as kids and loved it.

Diege - how exciting to be officially finished work. I hope you got everything you needed on the net.

Ses - good luck for today. I hope DSs tongue snip makes things easier for him and your poor sore nipples!

Hi STT - I'm glad you got everything sorted out with work and can now relax and enjoy being a pregnant lady of leisure.

Hi Jules - what do you have planned for today.

Well I am off to my 24 week midwife appt in about 30min. I'm looking forward to hearing the heartbeat again but it's not such a big deal now that she is kicking and wriggling away so I'm sure she must be fine. I must ask her about my stiff back - I keep waking up and my lower back and bum feel really tight and a bit stiff. I don't know if I am sleeping awkwardly as I don't really like sleeping on my side or if it is a general lack of fitness/flexibility + growing bump? Did anyone else have this? Any tips? It eases off once I am up and about but I don't want it to get any worse.

I think I might have upset a friend of mine. I post on FB about being annoyed about DH going to work. He then said I could use the money for computer games(I admit now I love love my games). I then said I am more interested in my boys seeing their Daddy. His DD lives in Australia and he never sees her. Ooops

Morning

Glad your dinner went well, Kay, but so sorry for your argument. It's so frustrating when work gets in the way of life, IYSWIM?

Ses good luck with Owen's snip today. Hope he doesn't even flinch! Did they say it might take some time for him to recover or should you seen an improvement right away?

I like the idea of a 2-year age gap - I tried to talk to DH about it one day and he was slightly overwhelmed at the idea of talking TTC when #1 is still cooking and wouldn't have the conversation. But I think starting TTC when the first is a year old is ideal. It's just so unpredictable though, isn't it? When all was said and done it took us 10 months to conceive and stay pregnant, so I suppose there's no planning!

Hi STT - you sound very on top of things. Can imagine the idea of being a SAHM is daunting - we're still not sure what we're going to do.

Thanks Ses, I am really looking forward to getting one.

Our trip to look at hutches has been cancelled by a monsoon!! It is chucking it down here!!

Aww! They are v good pets. If you want DS to be able to stroke it then just make sure you pick it up and handle it lots from the beginning and it will then be quite happy. The other tip I'd give you is to use a mix of fresh carrots/lettuce and pellets for food and not the nice looking multi-coloured flakes/seed mix. The latter isn't so good for their teeth and may risk having to get their teeth filed.

We're thinking of getting one. DS1 loves Mum's rabbit so we thought it would be good fo him. Especially as he still goes round looking for our puppy like 4 months after she left!!

Kay - v frustrating! Are you looking at rabbit hutches for a rabbit you have or are you thinking of getting one? I used to have a rabbit - v cute

Diege - LOL at support pants I need to graduate to those as still in big granny knickers that don't sit on my scar and are nice and roomy!

They will expect him to drop it all together. They are like that. We were meant to be going to look at rabbit hutches. I might go alone as DS1 is really playing up this morning.

KAYZ, I would be cross too . Is there anyway he can swop his day off, or are they expecting him to drop it altogether?
Morning TINKS!How are things? Did you get the contraception dilemma sorted out?
Off to do a bit of internet shopping - some big support knickers and bf vests for after the birth!

morning glad meal went well kay
oh no sorry for row

Morning,

Meal went well last night. I made far too much though so we are having it for lunch too!

We had a huge row this morning though Work rang and asked him to work this morning despite this being his only day off this week. So the only day he can spend with the boys, he has also been asked to work next tuesday which is his day off so I have told him that he has to tell them he won't work it now.

So a bit pissed off this morning.

Thanks SES! That's interesting - will get a prescription rather than send dh to Boots then! On age gap, I found my 16 month gap the best, in terms of me still being in 'baby mode' plus dds 1& 2 are so close. People often say they seem more like twins in their closeness, and even at 6 and 7 will instinctively hold hands when walking down the street etc. From what I've read, a gap 22 months or under, or over 4 years, is said to guarantee the least sibling rivalry, but my 3 yr gap between dd2 and 3 was good too - very much down to the individual situation and personal choice, as with most things in life!

They are only licensed to be given on prescription during pg (ie not sold) however there is no logical reason why they would cause any harm unless you've lost any show or waters.

LOL at DH having the snip! Not if either of us have annything to do with it! We did have the conversation the other day about age gap. DH said about 3yrs. I'll have to see how I can persaude him to make that nearer 18 months to 2yrs...!

x-posts SES! Good luck for this afternoon - think you've def made the right decision. In my sleep-induced haze I misread initially as something to do with your dh (the 'snip' that is ). On sore nipples front, I always found kamillison (?) cream very good when bf, although does pong a bit! On the issue of cream etc, can I ask you if it's ok to use caneston pessaries during pregnancy, or just the cream? <scratches>

Morning! Feeling knackered today (for a change) after waking at 4 and not being able to get back to sleep - so annoying! This is my first day without any 'work' work to do, so have a tidy of the utility room planned...

STT, don't worry about the bh. It's normal for them to start earlier in each subsequent pregnancy. I think this time mine started at about 15 weeks, and like you I got a lot and they were very frequent. I remember 24 weeks being a 'peak', and since then they petered off a bit in terms of how many I was having an hour. Having one now as I type actually, and a lot more painful these days!
Hope everyone is well and some of us have had good nights!.

Morning!

DS is having his tongue tie snipped this afternoon. I really hope it does the trick as my nipples are getting really sore again as he's constantly hungry and keeps slipping off the breast and nipple feeding. Frustrating for both of us. I've just smothered myself in Lasinoh and I've just about got through one tube in the 4 weeks since he was born.

Diege - glad bags are packed! Also appreciative of your evening check-in! Could the wagon request an hourly check-in? (Maybe not!)

We're waiting for our last NCT baby. It was due on Sunday. So far we have 3 girls and 2 boys. This last mum to be was having curry last night...

How's everyone else this morning? Hope good nights sleep have been had?

Lol Diege, I must be tired, after reading the first paragraph I had to have another couple of goes to work out why you were putting socks in the children's lunchboxes !

Provided this DC is fit and healthy, the general plan is to go back to work after the previously booked 'maternity leave' has ended, so around September next year. Which hopefully will be a better time for job seeking anyway. But, so much could change between now and then anyway, who knows!

I haven't exactly been missing work since I finished, and that was six weeks ago!!!! I can't believe that much time has passed! I suppose the first three weeks or so I was really busy, at least mentally, working out what to do, sorting out solicitors etc and also doing loads of long overdue jobs around the house - although you wouldn't believe that from looking around the place now . I think I need to spend some time on the 'good housekeeping' threads, trying to pick up some tips on how this is all supposed to work, without doing so much that I get bored or so little that we descend into a pit.... .

Ho hum....

I'm rambling aren't I - bloody insomnia, I'll be cream crackered in the morning and I'm supposed to be going swimming, but am I bloody tired now - am I heck!

Oh the joys of pg! Actually, I still seem to be getting off lightly compared to last time, except that Braxton Hicks seem to have started (will be 23 weeks tomorrow and didn't get them till 30+ last time) and they are quite niggly. Seem very frequent too - anyone got any thoughts on that? I have read that it can be a sign of doing too much?

Just doing the evening wagon check! Off to bed in a minute, and shattered because of my new regime of getting dds bags done for school,all clothes ready in pile, packed lunches done BEFORE I go to bed, just in case anything starts in the night. That way I won't have the worry of trying to locate socks etc mid way through a contraction!

SKK, looking forward to hearing about the birth plan tomorrow. FWIW I can understand how scary the move from WOHM to SAHM must be - I've never considered giving up work myself, but could sort of imagine how it would change things on so many levels (not least being more knackered!). Do you plan on staying at home until something turns up, or is this a permanent change?
Right, just the drink bottles to do then bed I think! Night all!

Diege, bags packed?! Crikey - where did that time go?!

Jules - not sure 'organised' is a word my hubby would use to describe me, I started off the day soooo well, but it deteriorated somewhat around mid afternoon - I think I had a big wilt!

Oh well, I'm going to start up a 'to do' list and at some point, I need to have a think about how to plan my time during a week, especially as having spoken to job agencies, it looks like the way forward is going to be a complete change from FT WOHM to SAHM.... am a bit nervous, which probably seems odd to everyone who does it normally, but its a whole new way of life... think that's probably what's scared me into my 'to do lists'!

I've not got time now, have to scoot, but will pop back on tomorrow to 'chat' about what the consultant said v what the midwife said v what I want if anyone's around!

Night all x

kay - toy boxes r great both dds have wooden ones in there bedrooms

sorry for pram trouble

sparkly - sounds like you are very organized

dd1s school teachers just visited us to see dd1 in her home enviroment, we filled out forms. have rest of uniform.

Hi SES! How are things? Yes, bag(s) packed, although I keep on adding things as I remember them. I have just written my birth plan too, so all ready now!

Hello Diege! Is that bag packed??!

STT - great to hear from you. I'm pleased things are sounding a bit more positive.

Oh and I can finally focus on my 'to do' list - I've finished my final piece of marking for work so am now officially a lady of leisure until January!

Hi SKK! Great to hear that work has sorted itself it - must be a huge weight off your mind! Let us know about your consultant's birth plan talks, then we of the wagon can rip them to pieces advise

Hi everyone, been on holiday for a week, which was lovely - got my new car sorted too which is a huge relief.

Finally cleared my desk and settled everything with work too, so that's another huge thing sorted.

Now I'm just trying to sort my life out, what to do about work, organising the house (which is just bursting with crap) and trying to stay on top of things.

The pg is still going well, such an amazing transformation since last pg when I was sick all the way through. It seems like the baby is waaaaay more active than DS was, however, it has crossed my mind that as I'm not 'distracted' by work, it may just be that I'm noticing it more.

I had the consultants appt before going on holiday, which went well - did I mention this already? Some of the talk about birth plans with her have been playing on my mind a bit, so will have to run them by you all some time soon I reckon - when I find a minute!

I swear, I have no idea how I found time to work, I'm just soooo damn busy!!! And DS is still in nursery at the moment whilst I work out what to do about working.

I'm so sorry, for self-centred post - hope everyone is doing good, and if anyone can do me a roundup of anything important I've missed - that would be great?!

STT x

Births:
Kay - 12th December - 6:49pm - Dylan George - 10lbs 5ozs
Teuch- - - boy
Pop - 23rd December - twin boys, Hugo & Henry
Nat - 27th December - 8:36pm - Mikey Bradley - 6lb 10.5oz
Gin - 16th Jan- Girl - 7.25am- details tbc
Tink- 19th Jan - Girl - 1.51pm - Bracken Hope Willow - 8lbs 7oz
Astarte - 16th Feb - Girl - 8lb 12oz
Glask - 20th Feb - Girl - 7.47pm - Ruby Marie 4lb (8wks prem)
LardyBump - 21st Feb- Boy - 8lb 12oz
HappyNappies- 27th Feb- Boy - 12.01am 9lb13 Edward James Roy
Playing - 4th March - boy - 5 lb 12 oz - Edward Lewis Stainer
Starshinetiger - 15th March - girl - 7lb 1 oz - Charlotte Carys Rose
GYo - 22nd March 9.55am- girl - 10 lbs 12 oz -
Cosmo - 2nd April - girl - April Victoria - 8.51am - 6lb 9
Gruff - 15th April - boy - 8lb 2 oz - 6.02am Zachary John Graham
Ses - 9th May - boy - 8lb 9oz - 10.17am Owen Edward
MINM- .......

Weeks list:
Diege - 38 weeks, 2 left to go. Boy!!!!(21st June)
LBOT - 33 weeks, 7 left to go BOY! (24th July)
KookyKid - 26 weeks, 14 weeks to go (2nd Sept) BOY!
Idreamofbeanie - 24 weeks (due 27th Sept) GIRL!
Sparklytwinkletoes - 19 weeks (due 6th Oct)
BB - 18 weeks (EDD 30th oct)
Moosy - 14 weeks (EDD 6th Dec)
Claire236 - 5 weeks (EDD 7 Dec)

Girls = 8
Boys= 9 (3 more still insitu)
Surprise = 10
Unknowns (yet) = 3

Scan list:
STT - 20 week scan 21st May
BB - 20 week scan 11th june 09 (not finding out sex)
Moosy - 20 week scan 22nd July

MW apps list:
IDOB- 24 week apt 9th June
BB- 17th july MW, Antenatal clinic 15th june
LBOT - 36 week appointment, 25 June
Diege - 38 week appointment, 11th June.

Mat leave countdown:
Diege - Annual leave, proper mat leave starting 15th June.
LBOT - last day 17 July (I think!) 26 days to go
BB- AGES!!!
IDOB - 4th September, 13 weeks.

Babys Age
Kayz's Dylan - 26 weeks
Tinks Bracken - 20 weeks (8th of june)
Glaskham's Ruby - 12 weeks
Gyo's small giraffe - 10 weeks
Cosmo baby - 8 weeks
Ses's Owen - 3 weeks

Births:
Kay - 12th December - 6:49pm - Dylan George - 10lbs 5ozs
Teuch- - - boy
Pop - 23rd December - twin boys, Hugo & Henry
Nat - 27th December - 8:36pm - Mikey Bradley - 6lb 10.5oz
Gin - 16th Jan- Girl - 7.25am- details tbc
Tink- 19th Jan - Girl - 1.51pm - Bracken Hope Willow - 8lbs 7oz
Astarte - 16th Feb - Girl - 8lb 12oz
Glask - 20th Feb - Girl - 7.47pm - Ruby Marie 4lb (8wks prem)
LardyBump - 21st Feb- Boy - 8lb 12oz
HappyNappies- 27th Feb- Boy - 12.01am 9lb13 Edward James Roy
Playing - 4th March - boy - 5 lb 12 oz - Edward Lewis Stainer
Starshinetiger - 15th March - girl - 7lb 1 oz - Charlotte Carys Rose
GYo - 22nd March 9.55am- girl - 10 lbs 12 oz -
Cosmo - 2nd April - girl - April Victoria - 8.51am - 6lb 9
Gruff - 15th April - boy - 8lb 2 oz - 6.02am Zachary John Graham
Ses - 9th May - boy - 8lb 9oz - 10.17am Owen Edward
MINM- .......

Weeks list:
Diege - 38 weeks, 2 left to go. Boy!!!!(21st June)
LBOT - 33 weeks, 7 left to go BOY! (24th July)
KookyKid - 26 weeks, 14 weeks to go (2nd Sept) BOY!
Idreamofbeanie - 24 weeks (due 27th Sept) GIRL!
Sparklytwinkletoes - 19 weeks (due 6th Oct)
BB - 18 weeks (EDD 30th oct)
Moosy - 14 weeks (EDD 6th Dec)
Claire236 - 5 weeks (EDD 7 Dec)

Girls = 8
Boys= 9 (3 more still insitu)
Surprise = 10
Unknowns (yet) = 3

Scan list:
STT - 20 week scan 21st May
BB - 20 week scan 11th june 09 (not finding out sex)
Moosy - 20 week scan 22nd July

MW apps list:
IDOB- 24 week apt 9th June
BB- 17th july MW, Antenatal clinic 15th june
LBOT - 36 week appointment, 25 June
Diege - 38 week appointment, 11th June.

Mat leave countdown:
Diege - Annual leave, proper mat leave starting 15th June.
LBOT - last day 17 July (I think!) 26 days to go
BB- AGES!!!
IDOB - 4th September, 13 weeks.

Babys Age
Kayz's Dylan - 16 weeks
Tinks Bracken - 20 weeks (8th of june)
Glaskham's Ruby - 12 weeks
Gyo's small giraffe - 10 weeks
Cosmo baby - 8 weeks
Ses's Owen - 3 weeks

Hello all:

Ses - you're doing wonderfully. And if Owen's tongue tie is the issue, there's no telling if he would feed better from a bottle, don't you think? Yes, it might be easier for him, but it seems like the issue is the way he sucks, not the strength of his suck, no?

Diege - the BH's sound exciting! (if not uncomfortable ) C'mon little Diege!!!

GYO - I'm definitely looking forward to a nightly glass of wine once Nugget is on the outside! Enjoy!

IDOB - glad you enjoyed the wedding. I was thinking of you on Saturday, hoping the weather would hold out!

Hi Gruff, Jules, Sorky, Moosy, Glask, Kay, etc...

This pram situation is totally doing my head in! On Saturday we went down to Croydon as there's a shop there that allowed us to see the Britax and the M&P Switch side by side. DH was still banging on about the Switch, that it folds smaller, is (slightly) lighter, etc. But I just don't like it, I can't help it - not to mention that it's £100 more expensive. Then we're on the train home and he says "Maybe we just accept the fact that one pram won't last us a lifetime and just go for the Bee, seeing as it's so light and versatile" We discounted the Bee ages ago because it just seemed too small for a toddler. Now I'm starting to agree with him as it really does do all we need it to do, but I've got a few niggles with it - feel the baby is really low to the ground and would really like something a little more robust for park walking, etc AND I think it's quite expensive for something so light/small. But it would be convenient for so many things, including public transport and air travel. I'm just completely stumped and it's starting to stress me out! Also having trouble breathing, mostly when trying to sleep lately. Wish this little guy would move down a little! Not to mention I'm having constipation from hell! <sigh> Sorry, vent over!

Births:
Kay - 12th December - 6:49pm - Dylan George - 10lbs 5ozs
Teuch- - - boy
Pop - 23rd December - twin boys, Hugo & Henry
Nat - 27th December - 8:36pm - Mikey Bradley - 6lb 10.5oz
Gin - 16th Jan- Girl - 7.25am- details tbc
Tink- 19th Jan - Girl - 1.51pm - Bracken Hope Willow - 8lbs 7oz
Astarte - 16th Feb - Girl - 8lb 12oz
Glask - 20th Feb - Girl - 7.47pm - Ruby Marie 4lb (8wks prem)
LardyBump - 21st Feb- Boy - 8lb 12oz
HappyNappies- 27th Feb- Boy - 12.01am 9lb13 Edward James Roy
Playing - 4th March - boy - 5 lb 12 oz - Edward Lewis Stainer
Starshinetiger - 15th March - girl - 7lb 1 oz - Charlotte Carys Rose
GYo - 22nd March 9.55am- girl - 10 lbs 12 oz -
Cosmo - 2nd April - girl - April Victoria - 8.51am - 6lb 9
Gruff - 15th April - boy - 8lb 2 oz - 6.02am Zachary John Graham
Ses - 9th May - boy - 8lb 9oz - 10.17am Owen Edward
MINM- .......

Weeks list:
Diege - 38 weeks, 2 left to go. Boy!!!!(21st June)
LBOT - 32 weeks, 8 left to go BOY! (24th July)
KookyKid - 26 weeks, 14 weeks to go (2nd Sept) BOY!
Idreamofbeanie - 24 weeks (due 27th Sept) GIRL!
Sparklytwinkletoes - 23 weeks (EDD 6th Oct)
BB - 18 weeks (EDD 30th oct)
Moosy - 14 weeks (EDD 6th Dec)
Claire236 - 5 weeks (EDD 7 Dec)

Girls = 8
Boys= 9 (3 more still insitu)
Surprise = 10
Unknowns (yet) = 4

Scan list:
BB - 20 week scan 11th june 09 (not finding out sex)
Moosy - 20 week scan 22nd July
STT - 37 week scan 17th September!

MW apps list:
IDOB- 24 week apt 9th June
Diege - 38 week appointment, 11th June.
BB - Antenatal clinic 15th June
STT - 24 week appt 18th June
LBOT - 36 week appointment, 25 June
BB- 17th july MW

Mat leave countdown:
Diege - Annual leave, proper mat leave starting 15th June.
LBOT - last day 17 July (I think!) 34 days to go (including holiday!)
BB- AGES!!!
IDOB - 4th September, 13 weeks.

Babys Age
Kayz's Dylan - 16 weeks
Tinks Bracken - 20 weeks (8th of june)
Glaskham's Ruby - 12 weeks
Gyo's small giraffe - 10 weeks
Cosmo baby - 8 weeks
Ses's Owen - 3 weeks

I've just been up town and got DS1 a huge toybox and he is loving putting all of his toys in it!!

Births:
Kay - 12th December - 6:49pm - Dylan George - 10lbs 5ozs
Teuch- - - boy
Pop - 23rd December - twin boys, Hugo & Henry
Nat - 27th December - 8:36pm - Mikey Bradley - 6lb 10.5oz
Gin - 16th Jan- Girl - 7.25am- details tbc
Tink- 19th Jan - Girl - 1.51pm - Bracken Hope Willow - 8lbs 7oz
Astarte - 16th Feb - Girl - 8lb 12oz
Glask - 20th Feb - Girl - 7.47pm - Ruby Marie 4lb (8wks prem)
LardyBump - 21st Feb- Boy - 8lb 12oz
HappyNappies- 27th Feb- Boy - 12.01am 9lb13 Edward James Roy
Playing - 4th March - boy - 5 lb 12 oz - Edward Lewis Stainer
Starshinetiger - 15th March - girl - 7lb 1 oz - Charlotte Carys Rose
GYo - 22nd March 9.55am- girl - 10 lbs 12 oz -
Cosmo - 2nd April - girl - April Victoria - 8.51am - 6lb 9
Gruff - 15th April - boy - 8lb 2 oz - 6.02am Zachary John Graham
Ses - 9th May - boy - 8lb 9oz - 10.17am Owen Edward
MINM- .......

Weeks list:
Diege - 38 weeks, 2 left to go. Boy!!!!(21st June)
LBOT - 32 weeks, 8 left to go BOY! (24th July)
KookyKid - 26 weeks, 14 weeks to go (2nd Sept) BOY!
Idreamofbeanie - 24 weeks (due 27th Sept) GIRL!
Sparklytwinkletoes - 19 weeks (due 6th Oct)
BB - 18 weeks (EDD 30th oct)
Moosy - 14 weeks (EDD 6th Dec)
Claire236 - 5 weeks (EDD 7 Dec)

Girls = 8
Boys= 9 (3 more still insitu)
Surprise = 10
Unknowns (yet) = 3

Scan list:
STT - 20 week scan 21st May
BB - 20 week scan 11th june 09 (not finding out sex)
Moosy - 20 week scan 22nd July

MW apps list:
IDOB- 24 week apt 9th June
BB- 17th july MW, Antenatal clinic 15th june
LBOT - 36 week appointment, 25 June
Diege - 38 week appointment, 11th June.

Mat leave countdown:
Diege - Annual leave, proper mat leave starting 15th June.
LBOT - last day 17 July (I think!) 34 days to go (including holiday!)
BB- AGES!!!
IDOB - 4th September, 13 weeks.

Babys Age
Kayz's Dylan - 16 weeks
Tinks Bracken - 20 weeks (8th of june)
Glaskham's Ruby - 12 weeks
Gyo's small giraffe - 10 weeks
Cosmo baby - 8 weeks
Ses's Owen - 3 weeks

Morning! Ok here, though bad night of indigestion etc so just had 10 mins nap to refresh!

SES, that sounds good about hv not coming till Friday - gives you a bit of head space! Agree with what you say about Apprentice winner - much the best choice I thought. Had a rather odd dream about Philip last night - very much the depths of my unconscious there as not my type at all!

MOOS, your Sunday did sound good! Cream tea especially

GLASK, good luck with the playgroup is you decide to go; snotty pram does sound a bit off putting!

IDOB, get some rest! That wedding sounds fun - lol at all those highchairs <shudder>

LB, agree that door bouncers can be a godsend - love the way they go really mad in them as they get more confident
Hi TINKS! What's this about a honk??

Well our childminder has had to go into hospital for 5 days of investigations, so am doing all the picking up today. Should be ok, though feeling rather sloth-like so would rather just lie here until they are delivered back. Have all of last year's summer clothes down from loft (and moses basket at last!!) so hope to sort into e-bay/charity shop/bin/keep piles today!

Births:
Kay - 12th December - 6:49pm - Dylan George - 10lbs 5ozs
Teuch- - - boy
Pop - 23rd December - twin boys, Hugo & Henry
Nat - 27th December - 8:36pm - Mikey Bradley - 6lb 10.5oz
Gin - 16th Jan- Girl - 7.25am- details tbc
Tink- 19th Jan - Girl - 1.51pm - Bracken Hope Willow - 8lbs 7oz
Astarte - 16th Feb - Girl - 8lb 12oz
Glask - 20th Feb - Girl - 7.47pm - Ruby Marie 4lb (8wks prem)
LardyBump - 21st Feb- Boy - 8lb 12oz
HappyNappies- 27th Feb- Boy - 12.01am 9lb13 Edward James Roy
Playing - 4th March - boy - 5 lb 12 oz - Edward Lewis Stainer
Starshinetiger - 15th March - girl - 7lb 1 oz - Charlotte Carys Rose
GYo - 22nd March 9.55am- girl - 10 lbs 12 oz -
Cosmo - 2nd April - girl - April Victoria - 8.51am - 6lb 9
Gruff - 15th April - boy - 8lb 2 oz - 6.02am Zachary John Graham
Ses - 9th May - boy - 8lb 9oz - 10.17am Owen Edward
MINM- .......

Weeks list:
Diege - 37 weeks, 3 left to go. Boy!!!!(21st June)
LBOT - 32 weeks, 8 left to go BOY! (24th July)
KookyKid - 26 weeks, 14 weeks to go (2nd Sept) BOY!
Idreamofbeanie - 24 weeks (due 27th Sept) GIRL!
Sparklytwinkletoes - 19 weeks (due 6th Oct)
BB - 18 weeks (EDD 30th oct)
Moosy - 14 weeks (EDD 6th Dec)
Claire236 - 5 weeks (EDD 7 Dec)

Girls = 8
Boys= 9 (3 more still insitu)
Surprise = 10
Unknowns (yet) = 3

Scan list:
STT - 20 week scan 21st May
BB - 20 week scan 11th june 09 (not finding out sex)
Moosy - 20 week scan 22nd July

MW apps list:
IDOB- 24 week apt 9th June
BB- 17th july MW, Antenatal clinic 15th june
LBOT - 36 week appointment, 25 June
Diege - 37 week appointment, 4th June.

Mat leave countdown:
Diege - Annual leave, proper mat leave starting 15th June.
LBOT - last day 17 July (I think!) 34 days to go (including holiday!)
BB- AGES!!!
IDOB - 4th September, 13 weeks.

Babys Age
Kayz's Dylan - 26 weeks
Tinks Bracken - 20 weeks (8th of june)
Glaskham's Ruby - 12 weeks
Gyo's small giraffe - 10 weeks
Cosmo baby - 8 weeks
Ses's Owen - 3 weeks

Sorry Jules - x-posted

Births:
Kay - 12th December - 6:49pm - Dylan George - 10lbs 5ozs
Teuch- - - boy
Pop - 23rd December - twin boys, Hugo & Henry
Nat - 27th December - 8:36pm - Mikey Bradley - 6lb 10.5oz
Gin - 16th Jan- Girl - 7.25am- details tbc
Tink- 19th Jan - Girl - 1.51pm - Bracken Hope Willow - 8lbs 7oz
Astarte - 16th Feb - Girl - 8lb 12oz
Glask - 20th Feb - Girl - 7.47pm - Ruby Marie 4lb (8wks prem)
LardyBump - 21st Feb- Boy - 8lb 12oz
HappyNappies- 27th Feb- Boy - 12.01am 9lb13 Edward James Roy
Playing - 4th March - boy - 5 lb 12 oz - Edward Lewis Stainer
Starshinetiger - 15th March - girl - 7lb 1 oz - Charlotte Carys Rose
GYo - 22nd March 9.55am- girl - 10 lbs 12 oz -
Cosmo - 2nd April - girl - April Victoria - 8.51am - 6lb 9
Gruff - 15th April - boy - 8lb 2 oz - 6.02am Zachary John Graham
Ses - 9th May - boy - 8lb 9oz - 10.17am Owen Edward
MINM- .......

Weeks list:
Diege - 37 weeks, 3 left to go. Boy!!!!(21st June)
LBOT - 32 weeks, 8 left to go BOY! (24th July)
KookyKid - 26 weeks, 14 weeks to go (2nd Sept) BOY!
Idreamofbeanie - 24 weeks (due 27th Sept) GIRL!
Sparklytwinkletoes - 19 weeks (due 6th Oct)
BB - 18 weeks (EDD 30th oct)
Moosy - 14 weeks (EDD 6th Dec)
Claire236 - 5 weeks (EDD 7 Dec)

Girls = 8
Boys= 9 (3 more still insitu)
Surprise = 10
Unknowns (yet) = 3

Scan list:
STT - 20 week scan 21st May
BB - 20 week scan 11th june 09 (not finding out sex)
Moosy - 20 week scan 22nd July

MW apps list:
IDOB- 24 week apt 9th June
BB- 17th july MW, Antenatal clinic 15th june
LBOT - 36 week appointment, 25 June
Diege - 37 week appointment, 4th June.

Mat leave countdown:
Diege - Annual leave, proper mat leave starting 15th June.
LBOT - last day 17 July (I think!) 34 days to go (including holiday!)
BB- AGES!!!
IDOB - 4th September, 13 weeks.

Babys Age
Kayz's Dylan - 16 weeks
Tinks Bracken - 20 weeks (8th of june)
Glaskham's Ruby - 12 weeks
Gyo's small giraffe - 10 weeks
Cosmo baby - 8 weeks
Ses's Owen - 3 weeks

Births:
Kay - 12th December - 6:49pm - Dylan George - 10lbs 5ozs
Teuch- - - boy
Pop - 23rd December - twin boys, Hugo & Henry
Nat - 27th December - 8:36pm - Mikey Bradley - 6lb 10.5oz
Gin - 16th Jan- Girl - 7.25am- details tbc
Tink- 19th Jan - Girl - 1.51pm - Bracken Hope Willow - 8lbs 7oz
Astarte - 16th Feb - Girl - 8lb 12oz
Glask - 20th Feb - Girl - 7.47pm - Ruby Marie 4lb (8wks prem)
LardyBump - 21st Feb- Boy - 8lb 12oz
HappyNappies- 27th Feb- Boy - 12.01am 9lb13 Edward James Roy
Playing - 4th March - boy - 5 lb 12 oz - Edward Lewis Stainer
Starshinetiger - 15th March - girl - 7lb 1 oz - Charlotte Carys Rose
GYo - 22nd March 9.55am- girl - 10 lbs 12 oz -
Cosmo - 2nd April - girl - April Victoria - 8.51am - 6lb 9
Gruff - 15th April - boy - 8lb 2 oz - 6.02am Zachary John Graham
Ses - 9th May - boy - 8lb 9oz - 10.17am Owen Edward
MINM- .......

Weeks list:
Diege - 37 weeks, 3 left to go. Boy!!!!(21st June)
LBOT - 32 weeks, 8 left to go BOY! (24th July)
KookyKid - 26 weeks, 14 weeks to go (2nd Sept) BOY!
Idreamofbeanie - 24 weeks (due 27th Sept) GIRL!
Sparklytwinkletoes - 19 weeks (due 6th Oct)
BB - 18 weeks (EDD 30th oct)
Moosy - 14 weeks (EDD 6th Dec)
Claire236 - 5 weeks (EDD 7 Dec)

Girls = 8
Boys= 9 (3 more still insitu)
Surprise = 10
Unknowns (yet) = 3

Scan list:
STT - 20 week scan 21st May
BB - 20 week scan 11th june 09 (not finding out sex)
Moosy - 20 week scan 22nd July

MW apps list:
IDOB- 24 week apt 9th June
BB- 17th july MW, Antenatal clinic 15th june
LBOT - 36 week appointment, 25 June
Diege - 37 week appointment, 4th June.

Mat leave countdown:
Diege - Annual leave, proper mat leave starting 15th June.
LBOT - last day 17 July (I think!) 34 days to go (including holiday!)
BB- AGES!!!
IDOB - 4th September, 13 weeks.

Babys Age
Kayz's Dylan - 16 weeks
Tinks Bracken - 19 weeks
Glaskham's Ruby - 12 weeks
Gyo's small giraffe - 10 weeks
Cosmo baby - 8 weeks
Ses's Owen - 3 weeks

Morning all, we have had a busy weekend. On Saturday we were at a friends wedding - it was the most baby-filled wedding I've ever been to. They needed 17 high chairs for the reception and there were several other small babies there. It finished up being a lovely, noisy crazy day and we caught up with loads of people we haven't seen in months. The only downside was we drove as it was only an hour away and didn't get home till after 1.30am then I didn't sleep well so I was shattered yesterday. Our friends came down to visit with my godson and I could hardly be bothered to drag myself down to the park for a couple of hours with him. I now have total respect for all of you with babies (so not sleeping) and toddlers! Still quite tired today and feel a bit sick so I hope I'm not coming down with something .

Right off for a read-through of the weekends posts. Back later.

god no sorky will go onto combined pill dont want anymore[shcok]

gor for it kay no harm can always move back

Births:
Kay - 12th December - 6:49pm - Dylan George - 10lbs 5ozs
Teuch- - - boy
Pop - 23rd December - twin boys, Hugo & Henry
Nat - 27th December - 8:36pm - Mikey Bradley - 6lb 10.5oz
Gin - 16th Jan- Girl - 7.25am- details tbc
Tink- 19th Jan - Girl - 1.51pm - Bracken Hope Willow - 8lbs 7oz
Astarte - 16th Feb - Girl - 8lb 12oz
Glask - 20th Feb - Girl - 7.47pm - Ruby Marie 4lb (8wks prem)
LardyBump - 21st Feb- Boy - 8lb 12oz
HappyNappies- 27th Feb- Boy - 12.01am 9lb13 Edward James Roy
Playing - 4th March - boy - 5 lb 12 oz - Edward Lewis Stainer
Starshinetiger - 15th March - girl - 7lb 1 oz - Charlotte Carys Rose
GYo - 22nd March 9.55am- girl - 10 lbs 12 oz -
Cosmo - 2nd April - girl - April Victoria - 8.51am - 6lb 9
Gruff - 15th April - boy - 8lb 2 oz - 6.02am Zachary John Graham
Ses - 9th May - boy - 8lb 9oz - 10.17am Owen Edward
MINM- .......

Weeks list:
Diege - 37 weeks, 3 left to go. Boy!!!!(21st June)
LBOT - 32 weeks, 8 left to go BOY! (24th July)
KookyKid - 26 weeks, 14 weeks to go (2nd Sept) BOY!
Idreamofbeanie - 23 weeks (due 27th Sept) GIRL!
Sparklytwinkletoes - 19 weeks (due 6th Oct)
BB - 18 weeks (EDD 30th oct)
Moosy - 14 weeks (EDD 6th Dec)
Claire236 - 5 weeks (EDD 7 Dec)

Girls = 8
Boys= 9 (3 more still insitu)
Surprise = 10
Unknowns (yet) = 3

Scan list:
STT - 20 week scan 21st May
BB - 20 week scan 11th june 09 (not finding out sex)
Moosy - 20 week scan 22nd July

MW apps list:
IDOB- 24 week apt 9th June
BB- 17th july MW, Antenatal clinic 15th june
LBOT - 36 week appointment, 25 June
Diege - 37 week appointment, 4th June.

Mat leave countdown:
Diege - Annual leave, proper mat leave starting 15th June.
LBOT - last day 17 July (I think!) 34 days to go (including holiday!)
BB- AGES!!!
IDOB - 4th September, 14 weeks.

Babys Age
Kayz's Dylan - 16 weeks
Tinks Bracken - 20 weeks (8th of june)
Glaskham's Ruby - 12 weeks
Gyo's small giraffe - 10 weeks
Cosmo baby - 8 weeks
Ses's Owen - 3 weeks

Morning!
I couldn't get back to sleep properly after DS 3am feed so feelingt a bit tired here.

Moos - thanks, only 24hrs(ish) to go so definitely no formula here...
Yay for relaxing - probably did you the world of good

BNJP - sorry it doesn't sound like things are getting much easier. Door bouncer sounds good though!

Glask - car boot sounds v productive!

HV just phoned and agreed not to come and weigh DS today. She'll come Friday instead so that gives us a whole week between weigh ins!

British Gas have arrived to do our boiler and tank. Mum coming over later to help out. (She really has exceeded my expectations on how helpful she is and I must try and tell her without letting her think that I thought she wouldn't be IYKWIM!)

Births:
Kay - 12th December - 6:49pm - Dylan George - 10lbs 5ozs
Teuch- - - boy
Pop - 23rd December - twin boys, Hugo & Henry
Nat - 27th December - 8:36pm - Mikey Bradley - 6lb 10.5oz
Gin - 16th Jan- Girl - 7.25am- details tbc
Tink- 19th Jan - Girl - 1.51pm - Bracken Hope Willow - 8lbs 7oz
Astarte - 16th Feb - Girl - 8lb 12oz
Glask - 20th Feb - Girl - 7.47pm - Ruby Marie 4lb (8wks prem)
LardyBump - 21st Feb- Boy - 8lb 12oz
HappyNappies- 27th Feb- Boy - 12.01am 9lb13 Edward James Roy
Playing - 4th March - boy - 5 lb 12 oz - Edward Lewis Stainer
Starshinetiger - 15th March - girl - 7lb 1 oz - Charlotte Carys Rose
GYo - 22nd March 9.55am- girl - 10 lbs 12 oz -
Cosmo - 2nd April - girl - April Victoria - 8.51am - 6lb 9
Gruff - 15th April - boy - 8lb 2 oz - 6.02am Zachary John Graham
Ses - 9th May - boy - 8lb 9oz - 10.17am Owen Edward
MINM- .......

Weeks list:
Diege - 37 weeks, 3 left to go. Boy!!!!(21st June)
LBOT - 32 weeks, 8 left to go BOY! (24th July)
KookyKid - 26 weeks, 14 weeks to go (2nd Sept) BOY!
Idreamofbeanie - 23 weeks (due 27th Sept) GIRL!
Sparklytwinkletoes - 19 weeks (due 6th Oct)
BB - 18 weeks (EDD 30th oct)
Moosy - 14 weeks (EDD 6th Dec)
Claire236 - 5 weeks (EDD 7 Dec)

Girls = 8
Boys= 9 (3 more still insitu)
Surprise = 10
Unknowns (yet) = 3

Scan list:
STT - 20 week scan 21st May
BB - 20 week scan 11th june 09 (not finding out sex)
Moosy - 20 week scan 22nd July

MW apps list:
IDOB- 24 week apt 9th June
BB- 17th july MW, Antenatal clinic 15th june
LBOT - 36 week appointment, 25 June
Diege - 37 week appointment, 4th June.

Mat leave countdown:
Diege - Annual leave, proper mat leave starting 15th June.
LBOT - last day 17 July (I think!) 34 days to go (including holiday!)
BB- AGES!!!
IDOB - 4th September, 14 weeks.

Babys Age
Kayz's Dylan - 16 weeks
Tinks Bracken - 19 weeks
Glaskham's Ruby - 12 weeks
Gyo's small giraffe - 10 weeks
Cosmo baby - 8 weeks
Ses's Owen - 3 weeks

Got my appointment for 20 week scan already, it's all feeling a bit real now!

How are you today Diege, any more funny feelings?

And how are you LB, I hope you got some sleep?

Kayz, I would just move it, he probably wouldn't even notice if you hadn't said anything!

Ses, stop torturing yourself about the formula, Glask proved that it isn't always a magic cure for weight gain! Give yourself a bit more time after he's had his tongue snipped and see how things are going. Also he is still very young to be gaining huge amounts yet.

After my miserable saturday, we had a really nice day yesterday, we went swimming with friends and their 2 children (one of which is DD1's future DH!) in the morning then out for a cream tea in the afternoon with same friends, who then came to look round the barn while the children played there. It was really to have DH not working all day, we both relaxed properly for the first time in ages too

Morning all, hope you all had a good weekend..

Glask that sounds yuck.... I have got masses of washing, ironing and housework to do today then ds has his second lot of jabs later this afternoon...

I have also got to get a 2.5 mil syringe today as well as I only have a 5 mil and i may not be getting the correct measure into ds. Who is still being sick and misserable but that is another matter and I am not going to bore you all with that again today...

We got a door bouncer for him on sat and he loves it in there so am going to put him in it while I try to get on with the ironing later... Wish me luch

Hope you are all well.

morning everyone- sorry i've been so neglectant of the wagon over the last few days- been pretty hectic... Kids have stayed out 2 nights, did a carboot with Dh yesterday and cleared out all our stuff (anything left over is going to the charity shop on weds am.) DD2 is very upset because of teething already and has been pooing lots more regular the last few days... and in between all that i've been busy spending money!!

Got to take DS to nursery in 25mins so can't hang about this morning... then i think i'm taking the DD's to mums and toddlers.... but can't decide if i should or not because of all the snotty nosed kids- last time one dribbled snot and banana from round his mouth all over my pram!! YUK!!

I'd suggest moving it for a trial then Kay.

Thanks for the encouragement Sorky. I'm sure his bum won't be so bony before long!

Just finished watching The Apprentice. Wont say too much incase anyone else has it recorded but I was pleased with the result

Best try and get some sleep. I have to be up and organized in the morning as British Gas will be here first thing to start installing our new boiler.
Hope everyone has a good night.

We have 1 book case, a sofa, a tv stand and a box of toys. That is it except for the pc desk which isn't moving.

I suppose it depends on how much furniture you have Kayz really.

In our living room we have wall to wall bookcases, which apart from the fact that there just isn't any other way to put them, would likely take me all week to store the books elsewhere in order to shift anything iyswim, so I wouldn't attempt it

If it's sofas, tv etc then go for it. Do it whilst he's at work!

He'll catch up very soon Ses You're doing a fab job in feeding him yourself. Hopefully his snip will make things everything a bit easier for him.
Hang on in there and GET AWAY FROM THAT FORMULA!!!!

Been quiet on here today!
I'm multi- tasking as I'm feeding DS, watching The Apprentice and MNing via my phone!

Kay - if I were your DH, I may be quite happy with current layout and not wanting the effort of moving everything. You could offer to move everything yourself (except maybe the sofa) and agree to move it back if he doesn't like it after an agreed timescale - 48hrs or a week

Sorky - happy 4 month birthday to sorkybaby

LOL at a honk from Jules soon!!

We had one of the NCT couples come round this afternoon with their DD. She's 2 weeks older than DS. Looking at them together, they didn't look that much different in size but DS just looked so skinny! Made me think maybe I was being mean not giving him formula to help him put the weight on but I have been expressing about 1.5oz of hind milk for the last 3 days which should ensure he gets some more fatty milk. They think that because of his Tongue tie, he's taking so much effort to feed and hence tends to graze and not get enough hind milk. It's less than 48hrs til his Tongue tie gets sorted so hopefully that will help and he'll be a little bruiser in a couple of weeks!

I need your opinions please. I want to re-arrange the living room. I just hate the layout of the furniture. DH isn't quite so sure about it.

So I suggested moving things about and then we can always put it all back if we don't like it. I just really can't stand it! So what would you do??

Shall we expect a honk in a couple of months time from you then Tink?

Sorkybaby is 4months tomorrow and had her first sit at the dining room table today , was really nice sit altogether. She kept watching everyone move food from plate to mouth hehe

morning

chineses sounds good moosy
kay - meal sounds yum
hopefully not long for you now diege

popped out to shops this morning then have been sitting around relaxing.

have decided to make an appoinment to have implant removed have had it for 3 months periods are still constant and feel moody. plus we are off to centre parcs in 6 weeks

Morning! Think my body's just teasing me SORKY. I've heard of this 'latent labour' thing before, but never had it with the other 3. It's not too bad - just a series of 'contractions'/period pain over a couple of hours a day, then back to normal.
Hope everyone is ok -very blustery here today but no rain as yet. Hoping to get out later, and clear up more in the meantime!

Bloody hell, do ya think this could be it then Diege?

Evening! Risotto does sound good for a main GYO, and pretty fail-safe too! I'm feeling pretty bleugh if I'm honest - had a day like MOOS's and am feeling very lethargic, slightly sick, and scared to go to bed in case the contraction start again!! Bh's every 10 mins or so, quite painful now, and have got dh to swot up on tens machine just in case I go early. Will get dh to post on here with any news, but will try and post before heading off to hossy. Could be weeks yet, but I have it in my head that I'll have a baby in my arms by this time next week
Glad things seem better now MOOS!! Chinese does sound good
Right, better start attacking the kitchen - what a bomb site!

I really fancy a pizza!!

Sounds yummy Kayz

Risotto is very easy to make and would make a good main.

I feel inspired to try and do something similar for DH now Problem is he is such a professional in the kitchen any attempts by me always look a bit rubbish!

I know what you mean about not knowing what to do with yourself- feels similar here with DH away.

I'm doing Antipasti for the starter so lots of salami, parma ham, mozzarella etc, not sure about main yet could just do spag bol I suppose. I have ordered tiramisu for pudding as you really need to make it the day before and it wouldn't be a surprise then.

DH is in the pub and the boys are sleeping and I just don't know what to do with myself!

Think this is the latest...

DIEGE'S SYNDICATE
Previous Los:
dd1: 7lb 6oz, born 39+2
dd2: 8lb 1oz, born 39+2
dd3: 7lb 11oz, born 39+1

No.4 prediction (ds1): due date 21st June.

Star 7lb 8oz, 5th June, 12.51pm
IDOB 8lb 7oz, 9th June, 8.45pm
Gyo 8lbs 5oz 10th June 3pm
LBOT: 7lb 4oz, 10 June, 5:43pm
Glaskham: 8lb 3.5oz, 11th June 6.08pm (my birthday and time of birth)
Kayz: 8lb 1oz, 13th June 08:27am
LB: 8lb 9oz, 13th June, midday
Moosy: 8lb 2oz, 14th June, 4.45pm
Diege: 8lb 4oz: 15th June
tink: 7lbs8ozs 16th of june, 8am
Ses - 8lb 11oz 18th June 4.40am
Sorky-20th June, 8lb9oz, 2.30pm

<< wanders off to find Diege's syndicate>>

Hello

Chinese sounds good Moosy. great you are feeling up to it.

Jules- lunch out sounds good.

Kayz - meal sounds great, cant wait to hear your menu!

Diege- how are you tonight? I take take the waiting! Hope you are getting ready to give birth on Wednesday! (sorry, I know how annoying it is to be asked all the time if you've had "any twinges"!)

Who are you going to text so we can post the news here

<<overly excited at prospect of another wagon baby>>

DH has finished his driving part of the 3 peaks. He did the last peak on foot too- apparently now recoverying in a bar in the local area. Quite envious.

Surviving with DD on my own- its quite nice but hard work having no one else to hold the fort for 5mins.

Glass of wine and chocolate again here

Aaah that's better, tummy full of Chinese (although he didn't get the one thing I asked for!) and the girls are in bed I tell you it's a good job I'm pg or I'd have turned to the drink today!

hi

enjoyed italian lunch for bday in ciao baby.
had taglitelle with gorgonzola sauce yummy thn a chocolate pancake from crepe house next door
have just made 2nd lot of purees - pear, apple, green bean have swede and carrot left to do.

moosy - hope u get some tea soon

kay -lovely idea

That sounds like a nice idea Kayz, I love Italian (and their food isn't bad either, arf!)

Hope everyone's had nice Saturdays.

I am utterly fed up. I've had the most boring day stuck in the house with the DDs (no car, raining, no energy to walk anywhere), DH has been working all day and was going to be bringing us Chinese but has only just finished his job so won't be here until at least 6.30 which is an hour later than we normally eat! We're all really hungry, the DDs are climbing the walls and the bloody Peppa Pig DVD won't work! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!!!!!!!!!!

That sounds a nice surprise KAYZ . What are you planning on cooking?

I'm doing a surprise meal for DH on Monday night. We've has a few rows and I thought I would treat him. So I am doing Italian as we both love it!

So I have been trying to do a Tesco shop but he keeps coming over to the desk!! Finally after 3 hours!! I have ordered it!

Morning! Lovely to have smiley babies GRUFF and GYO - it's such a lovely stage and makes (almost) everything seem worth while! And cheers to the glass of wine! I don't actually drink at all, but would look forward to my evening glass of diet coke and choccy when they were in bed! Same principle I suppose - gets you through the arsenic hour of 6-7pm

Hope you're ok LB and got a good night last night. Strangely enough I was thinking of you when I woke up around 3ish, and of your bad night!

TINKS, enjoy your birthday meal - sounds nice

KAYZ, that's funny about Scarborough - I thought exactly the same, and was sooo disappointed by it. I remember fondly days on the beach and visiting little gift shops etc as a child, but was surprised last year how the place had gone down. Having said that, still love the Peaceholm park end, and we always get a rowing boat out every year and dh gets a chance to show off his 'skills' We also go to a pub with a double decker red bus parked in the garden with slides and balls etc inside, which I think is on the outskirts of Scarborough. Totally filthy and minging, but the girls love it and the vegi carvery is lovely

Well, had an odd night. Woke at 3ish with a very painful contraction, lasting about 20 secs, then 4 mins later another. Got up, went to loo, then waited with thudding heart for the next one but nothing happended..Suffice to say, couldn't get back to sleep so have had a fair lie-in this morning. Doula is away in Bristol till sun eve (when she goes 'on call' as I'll be 38 wks)so really hope baby decides to stay put!
Time for lunch I think! Hope everyone is well and the weather isn't as bad as it is here!

off to have italian restaurant for bday lunch
sorry for not responding to anyone

Awww DS1 has my old old mobile and he was just talking on it and I asked him who he was talking to and he said "Jessica and Sarah"

Morning,

Gruff, I can't believe GC is nearly 8 weeks. That seems to have gone so quickly. Saying that though DS2 is 6 months next Friday I just can't believe it.

I went to Scarborough yesterday and I hate it. Sorry to anyone who loves Scarborough but I just hate it there. I spent most of the time pulling DS1 away from snarling staffies and rottweilers. I saw many PG girls women wearing tracksuits with their entire bump hanging out. Many of them smoking too. But anyway rant over I traded in our xbox that we never use(came free with mobile phone) and got a Wii with Wii fit. It cost £65 because I took in the xbox so very happy.

Hope you are all well and all the babies slept well.

Hey!

Out of the bath now was sooooo good

Thats great about SG Gyo - funnily enough GC has been really smiley and even started to giggle and coo this week which of course my mum just loves!Must be all the sunshine round here It also reassures me that despite his colic he is happy! His first injections are next week on Thurs - cant believe he is 8 weeks on Wed! Thats great though hopefully means that next time they see each other SG and GC might actually start to take notice of one another

LB - sorry BNJP, really hope things get better for you soon. You are doing so great.I am still struggling and GC is so much better than he was. You have that big glass of wine - I will join you <<Gruff reaches for another>>

I am going to be in bed by 10 that is the plan... DS is asleep now..

<<HUUUUUGE glass of wine enroute to LB>>

Hope you have an ok night.

I have been laying off the wine to see if it makes any difference to DS but it doesn't so yes please GYO I will have one.....

GS hope you can make the mini meet up, but totally understand if you cant.

Moosy for DH being out late. But good if you dont get disturbed? I quite like a bed to myself nothing worse than DH starting to snore just as I finish the 3am feed and Im wide awake trying to get back to sleep! hope you get some rest anyway

Hi Ses, thanks for asking, Mum was ok actually. She didnt come to the house but we went to town for lunch. DD was really quite settled, she laid in her pram, fed a bit then slept til lunch was over. Then she let mum push her around the town without so much as a whimper.

We are going over to her house on Sunday so will see if the screaming is related to her place!

How are you feeling- hope the weighing thing
isnt causing stress for you and DH.

Glad Im not alone on the wine thing. Now I've also had brownie and icecream so feeling properly guilty!!

Hi Gruff, sorry to hear GC is still poorly. Hope it improves at the magical 12wks. Shame your mum is going home. Could you hide her plane/train ticket

Small Giraffe is doing really well. She is turned into a very very smiley gorgeous girl in last week or so and when she beams at me at 3am I could forgive her for waking me at that hour forever! (well,almost!) She is suddenly so aware of people around her and watches me move around the room. So cute..

She goes for her first jabs on Monday. Really not looking forward to that!

More wine anyone|?

hehe Gyo - I just finished a glass of wine as I was catching up! Def that and choc helps me unwind

Hows the small giraffe doing?

Ses - not sure about next week. What time were you thinking? I need to see how Gruff cubs colic goes as an hours drive seems a bit scary doing on my own if he suddenly gets his bout of colic as its throughout the day at the mo. I was feeling quite confident but last two days have been more difficult again

I have a baby hammock thing now from AMby that came today and he is in it tonight, I really hope it makes a difference.

Really want to meet up though so if I dont make it this week we will def have to do another soon!

Right I am off for a quick bath and then going to enjoy my last evening with my mum, sooo don't want her to go.

Yes DH is still out and will be till very late, in fact he said he might sleep at home so he doesn't get kicked all night for breathing disturb me when he comes in

Sounds good and healthy to me GYo
How was your mum today? Did DD still struggle to settle on her?

Sorry Moosy, just read that DCs are in bed.

Is DH still out?

- hope I dont sound like alcholic! Only ever one glass of wine and I dont feed DD again until 2 or 3am!

Hello everyone

Moosy, how are you? have the DCs gone to bed?

Ses- glad you are having time away from the medics! Hope you have a relaxing weekend.

DH is now at Ben Nevis. He isnt actually walking all of them, but is the driver. Has got to sleep in a people carrier then drive thru the night to Scarfell Pike.
Its not like he is used to the broken nights - hope all will be ok.

Anyone else find they look forward to an evening glass of wine/drink after DCs go to bed? Worried Im getting a bit too dependent on it!

Glad your day's been a bit more settled Ses, p'raps if he's not being prodded and weighed every day he'll find a nice routine for you

Feel a bit better now the DDs are in bed, but nearly cried at tea time when DH said he wasn't going to be here for their bedtime. I'm sure it's because of being pg, I'm not normally this useless, honest!

x-posts Moos! I hate that feeling when you have to be somewhere that's not home and you just want to be in your own environment with your own things. Am sure those feelings are magnified when pg too...

Glad you're feeling a bit better BNJP. It must be so tough and you are doing really well.

Having a better day here I think it helps having nothing else on for a change (no dr, HV or hospital!) so we've had some definite sleep time and definite feed time. He slept for 2hrs on my mum this morning and managed 35 mins in his moses basket this afternoon! Little steps and all that, but it's all progress!

Glad things are a bit better now LB, and good that you have a plan, I hope it makes a difference. Good luck for tonight, I hope you get some sleep.

Am feeling crappy today, we're house sitting for my parents (only a mile away from our house and on the same farm as the barn) and I'm feeling all sad and homesick. I want to go hoooooooooooooooooooooooooome! I'm so pathetic!

Afternoon all, I am feeling a lot calmer now.. I start dairy free tomorrow, I got some goats cheese and calcium tablets as feel I can scrap milk altogether. Will miss cappucchino's but hay ho!!

I am going to bed with owen tonight!!!!!!!! although i say that every night

Happy birthday star & tink!!

hi

kay - not mil again!!

bought in town pink and hite le coq sportif trainers
and
animal - bag,purse and flip flops

meant to be getting toybox today hvent yet

off 2 texco now

IDOB, MIL sounds a bit of a nightmare tbh, although I have to say MIL tolerance is not my strong point!
Did you say new outfit SORKY??? How exciting . One place I've found recenently that I'm always pleased with is ASOS - maybe worth a tiny peek??
Back from morning out, and have just made pizzas with dds. Hoping to have an afternoon of rest/putting away washing, while they watch dvds. Had a good 2 hours at park and library, so don't feel too guilty!

Here's hoping Sorky and for now I'll try to just appreciate the fact she is excited and wants to be involved and ignore the other rubbish.

No she doesn't sound particularly supportive does she IDOB
Still Gchildren have a habit of softening even the hardest, most cynical of hearts

Oh BNJP poor you. Hoping you get some relief soon. As others have said is there anyone you could call on? or even pay a baby sitter for a few hours of peace?? I hope you can find some support.

Kay Did you give your MIL the green light to get his hair cut or did she take it upon herself? When I was visiting my family, my mom and I picked up my nephew from nursery school one afternoon and she mentioned getting his hair cut - I said You can't just cut someone else's child's hair!!! But then when we dropped him off, SIL said Oh, I thought you might've got his hair cut, he really needs it. Apparently they have an arrangement...! But I agree, if she did it on her own I woudl be

Moos - Yay for wonderful results! you must be so pleased!

Ses - you're making me rethink my choice of duvet cover in the spare/baby's room! Those little boys can get it everywhere, can't they? Glad the paedetrician was okay.

Happy Birthday Jules and Star! There's a really cute video of Britney's boys dancing to the song Toxichere

Hi Sorky, Gruff, IDOB, Kooky, Diege, etal

Not much to report here, definitely looking forward to the weekend! Tried out Skype with my family for the first time last night and was lots of fun - DH got to see my brother's kids as he hasn't been there since Christmas when baby was new and 2 year old was only 18 months - they're so different now already!!

Hey Sorky and Ses - I do understand that MIL is excited (beanie will be their first grandchild) and I keep telling myself not over-anticipate problems/arguments or I am just going to be ridiculously touchy. The problem is MIL is very critical and negative towards DP and his sister, the youngest is definitely her favourite. She has always told DP that he is stupid and that his DB is much smarter and she says that she doesn't even like her DD as she is just fat and useless. DP has learnt to ignore it most of the time and says it doesn't really bother him anymore but it really affected him growing up and it drives me crazy! I hate the thought of her saying anything similar to our DCs - I think I might commit murder if she tells beanie she is stupid/fat/ugly. She called yesterday and was hinting that DP would be a rubbish dad and just not able to cope with nappies, crying etc. I try to ignore it but I feel I have to defend DP which just makes her worse.

Sorry for the rant ! She can actually be lovely some of the time and she is genuinely excited about being a GP but sometimes she just makes me so

Thanks for bday wishes!
Kayz - and at your MIL - that's awful, really crosses the line. You and DH together should confront her about that.
Diege - sorry for heartburn and poorly tummy. Hope it passes soon (did I mention today is a lovely day for a Birth Day?!)
Hi Sorky, GYo, Moos, Ses, IDOB and anyone else lurking today.
Boo - was hoping for a shower and sit down while DD slept, but no - she stirs!
Have a lovely day all.

BNJP - sorry for bad night again. And especially sorry that DP is no help. If I was closer, I'd gladly come over. Re. Milk - as Sorky says, Soya is fine (although it is quite high on the allergenic foods list too), but if you want to avoid it, you can try oat milk or rice milk. We use oatmilk at home - use it for cereal, in cooking, but haven't tried it in hot drinks as I take mine black, but it does make yummy hot choc when mixed with cocoa powder (dark choc stuff - has no dairy). I try not to have too much of the dark choc, due to caffeine levels, but is a nice treat (hmm, might make one now while DD is asleep)! They also do choc oatmilk (no dairy in it) and oat cream substitute, which is fine too - so long since I had dairy, I don't notice any difference. Try your "free from" aisle in your loca supermarket for some dairy free treats to get you through the day!

Really hope something gives soon - if it is dairy intolerance, you might notice some change within 3 days, but do be prepared to wait 7-10 days for real results. Can you go to bed when DS does tonight (reminds self that I rarely do that with DD!)? Do you have a friend who could come over and help out? I really do feel for you. If there is anything else I can help with, please just shout!

Sorky - tea with the girls sounds good! As does splash n play!!
Not sure about BB but I'm sure I'll tune in regularly

IDOB - You're expectation of your MIL sounds a bit like my expectation of my mum when I was pg. I have to say though she has been really helpful and there's only been the odd unpleasant comment rather than the stream I expected. My best friend has had huge issues with her Mum since her DD was born 3.5yrs ago and I had told my mum how frustrating and hurtful some of those instances were so I think that may have helped my mum to think about what is truly helpful.

Morning Diege! Hope tummy and heartburn ease up.

It's pittling down up here.

IDOB she sounds excited (MIL) about the baby Is your Dd going to be her first grandchild?

I've arranged to go out for tea with the girls again on Wednesday. I need a new outfit

Off to a HE science session this afternoon. Dh takes the elder two in, whilst I nip across the way with Ds2 for splash n play

Oh morning Diege, sorry I forgot you. Hope you have a lovely relaxing day and DDs manage to amuse themselves as much as poss. Enjoy the park and library.

Morning,

BNJP - sorry you are having such a rough time. I wish I lived closer, I'd come over and help out for a day (and then probably give your DP a big slap!). Feel free to post DD up for the weekend if you need a break .

Kayz - I can't believe MIL cut his lovely curls off . Actually it's the kind of thing I can imagine my MIL doing - I 'm predicting several arguments once the baby arrives.

Jules - happy birthday and enjoy shopping. You miust be influencing me through MN - I bought 2 new tops from Jojo Maman Bebe this week plus a shirt and cardi from Vertbaudet. I think I have more maternity wear than I do normal clothes .

Happy birthday star.

Moosy - hooray for nuchal results and double hooray for ms leaving !

Ses - sorry for sicky wee'd on baby. Hope you have a lovely calm day today.

Gyo - good luck for solo weekend and hope mini-gyo doesn't scream at your mum. I'm kind of hoping the baby screams whenever MIL picks her up . I know that's mean but she is already driving me bonkers with the name suggestions, lists of advice, telling me what I shouldn't do when beanie arrives etc. The woman is a menace.

Morning Sorky, gruff, LBOT Kooky and everyone else I've missed.

It's such a lovely sunny day again I'm already clock watching and counting down the hours until I can go home. Going to a wedding tomorrow so just hoping it lasts although the forecast is for rain. Feel in a weekend holiday mood already and beanie must be feeling the same as she has been wriggling and kicking away like mad all morning .

Happy Birthdays!!!

Moosy, those numbers look great

Settled days needed for everyone it seems.

I did see BB, Ses. Quite an interesting bunch this years it seems. I loved Freddie!

Happy birthday to TINKS and STAR Hoping you get a few hours of sun and lots of spoiling.
LB, what can I say, you must feel at your wit's end . I truly admire you with how you are coping (yes, you ARE coping)probably far better than most of us would. I think you shpuld def sit down and let dp know exactly what you're feeling - surely he'd do something to help if you knew the extent of the situation? Maybe also get the hv over for a chat?
KAYZ, please tell me those lovely curls haven;t gone!!!???? . Agree with SORKY, I'd say that's pretty low, and would be extremely cross
Have the 3 at home today, and had a rubbish night due to killer heartburn. Bad tummy also back this morning, so hoping they won't be too demanding! Going to get out to library and park before lunch, as I find that afternoon trips tend to be more stressful for some reason.
Morning SES, GYO, and everyone else!

Morning Moos - great results from nuchal

Star - according to FB it's your birthday too!! Happy Birthday!!!

Morning

More sunshine today, hooray!

LB, sorry you're having such a hard time and DP is being an arse, is there anyone who can come and give you some moral support? It definitely sounds worth giving the dairy thing a go, I hope it's not too hard for you to stick to (don't forget, dark chocolate is dairy free!). I hope Owen has a better day today.

MS seems to have gone now, am still tired a lot but definitely improving
Also had my letter from the hosp yesterday with the results from teh nuchal scan - I have a 1:9012 risk factor!

Happy birthday Jules
Have a good time shopping!

Morning all!

BNJP - I'm really feeling for you. Wish you could have had my hospital appointment yesterday. Such a stupid system
Wish I could do/say something a bit more useful.

Kay - can't believe your MIL would just get your DS hair cut!!

GYo - v impressed with your DH doing 3 peaks! Good luck for your wkend going solo but hope your mum is helpful today.

Gruff - will send you a message on FB re mini meet up

Star - hope there wasn't too much bed swapping for you last night...

Sorky - did you watch BB opening night in the end? I Sky+ed it and have it on now.

Anyway, hoping for a calmer day here today. Especially after it started with DS being sick in my bed at 6.45am. I then got up to change and bath him and he wee'd 3 times on the change mat! He honestly wasn't on there that long but ut was everywhere - with the last one going straight in his face! He's nice and clean now though!

my 31st bday got £60 4 my bday off into town

glad its not just the small giraffe that screams like that! Am sure its that she is picking up on the tension.

Also worked out that people tend to over handle her and that makes her a bit grumpy, she much prefers to lie on a rug and look around.

Hard to stop aunty/nana cuddles!

GYo baby-sorky screams as soon as my mum takes her too.

Kayz! all that gorgeous hair? those curls? you need to say something to her this time, it's bloody assault! that's what it is

Oh LB
Stars' advice seems very sound. I wish I was nearer to you and you know I'd be there in a shot

Soya milk is fine LB, I haven't had cow's milk for 15 years' now. My kids have never had cows' milk.
The female hormone is not a human hormone. It's a plant hormone called phytoestrogen and they are thought to have protective benefits from cancer.
The likelihood of it coming through your milk is super-tiny.

I feel for you being left with some stark choices surrounding both your and ds's diet. Poor little mite is heading towards 4 month old and if anything it sounds as if it's getting worse!
I can't believe the Paeds aren't doing more

LB- sending you over a steaming mug of tea and round of hot buttered toast.

Morning

LB- sorry for such a bad night and it seems really unfair that your DP isnt being very helpful. How can DS play up, he is only tiny?

Do you have anyone else who could take DD for the day or a few hours? Or even just do some washing for you. Sorry- is probably a really obvious suggestion.

Wish we could all help you more.

Kayz- sorry about the MIL and hair, I'd be livid!

Nice weather gone here. DH has gone to do the 3 peaks challenge this weekend so Im home alone with DD for the first time for more than one night.

Mum coming to visit today, really hope DD doesnt scream at her like she did last time!!

sorry about MIL kayz what a bitch.

I have also been up since 3. With a crying pukey baby. I am in tears at the moment. I cant cope with it all, and am fed up of doing it all on my own!! I vowed i would enjoy every second as owen will be my last but i am not, i hate it and sit here wishing his baby months away... How bad is that!!

DP doesnt help, he is taking on overtime every day and says they are playing up because i am stressed. He then tells me to call his mother (like fuck will I) He thinks I am over reacting because he is never alone with owen he doesnt understand how bad it gets. Already this morning i have got to strip and wash my bed covers, do the same to owens, wash the three sets of pj's for both of us and clean carpet in bedroom because it is covered in sick. It is all I smell all day long. And to top it off owen just puked up his meds before i had time to feed him...

so sorry for me me post..

I just want to cry. MIL had the boys yesterday and she got DS1's hair cut!! He was asleep when he got home so went straight to bed. He has just woken up and it is shorter than we wanted it. I suppose it grows back.

Hello!

DS2 woke up at 3 for the first time in ages! I now can't get back to sleep and I have had to get up!!

I am off for an early night tooo as I feel like crap now..

Star thanks for the advise and I am going to give that a go (will try anything to help him). I have been told not to have soya milk as it contains female hormones so what milk substitute can I drink that will pass on enough calcium to ds through my milk?

P.S. BNJP - I was determined that DD would not have intolerance, so ate chocolate and cheese in my diet to start with as normal, so it all went into my expressed milk. When I started feeding her myself, she was sicky and had horrid, huge yellow nappies. I cut dairy out and the sickness really reduced - so am 8 weeks no dairy no - is a killer as would love chocolate, but her weight gain started when I cut it out and I know it's better for her. When we were in GOSH and she was not digesting her milk properly (she was being tube fed and they used to draw back to see if any left in the stomach), I asked the nurse if it could be an intolerance and she said that it wouldn't be, as they could still be sick while being tube fed - she didn't mention anything about eczema!

sorry for long posts

Hi All, just a quick post, as I think I may need to get an early night - DD fed and fell asleep at 6pm, woke at 7.10pm, fed and gone back down in cot!! Fear for the night ahead of us (Plus, DS is really ill with cough and cold - temp at 99/37.5 this evening and fell asleep during his first story at 6.40pm - unheard of), imagine there will be some bed swapping going on tonight again in the Star househould (was like musical beds last night, what with getting up to DD and then DS needing to come into our bed with DH - I ended up in DS' bed from 5am this morning!)

BNJP - so sorry for continued sickiness. I wouldn't worry too much about the time before feeding after giving meds - if that makes sense?! Just give them a little time to work if you can. Now, I am only saying this as you asked....
I am not a medical professional and don't want to contradict one, especially as I haven't seen your DS, but as you asked my opinion, I will share with you what I know from experience about dairy intolerance - it does not necessarily manifest itself as eczema, especially in bf babies. My sister and cousin both had dairy intolerance (as does DS), but did not have eczema - just sickness and squitty nappies. With DS, eczema did not come out until he was weaned. So, if you want to keep going with bf and you think it's worth a shot, you could cut out all dairy from your diet and wait at least a week to see if there are differences - if it is dairy intolerance you should see the sickness reduce (because of reflux, it won't disappear totally). You will have to cut it out of your diet totally - this means no milk in your tea, no butter, yoghurt, cheese, no foods which have dairy in them (I am being particularly pedantic here, as i've seen threads where people ask "can I still have milk in my tea?"). It will need time to clear your system and not be going into your milk - hence the need to wait a week before expecting to see results. It is absolutely a personal thing whether you want to go down this route and give it a shot. I know it's not what you want to hear, but the difference with my DS came when we first started top up bottles morn and eve (although it was hypoallergenic formula, so it may have been that, which made the difference) and then at 18 weeks went totally onto formula. But every baby is different and you need to go with whatever makes you happy - you are doing fabulously, it is bloody hard work with a baby and toddler even without the reflux. I really hope you get a better night tonight. I really hope what I write is helpful, give me a shout on fb if you want to talk directly.

Diege - did I mention that tomorrow is a fab day for a Birth Day?! Don't worry about mw - as Ses/Sorky(?) said - they're not good at small talk (or remembering much about you as a person in my experience) - she probably forgets you're on midwife care!

Jules - glad Britney was good.

Kayz - yay for car.

GYo - We've just gone from one arm out to two arms out, as DD was wanting to soothe herself on her fingers (she likes to get her right hand fingers in her mouth and hold them in with her lefthand - not sure what's wrong with a thumb myself!). Also, I was sleeping in her room next to her cot since she went in her cot, until 2 nights ago, but have moved back in with DH and just get up to her feeds now (we do have a rocking chair in her room) - I felt I was disturbing her unnecessarily by being in her room - anything to help her sleep better! Think it's a personal thing - with DS I had the monitor on right next to my head every night until he was about 5 months old when we forgot to take it to my Mum's and realised we could actually hear him if we needed to without it!

Gruff - good to "see" you back - sounds lovely having your Mum to stay.

Ses - glad you're not worried about weight and appt went well - think you should just relax and get on with it. DD has been sticking like glue to 9th centile and is perfectly healthy (well, you know what I mean!) - they have different centiles for a reason and 1.5oz in 48 hours is entirely normal!

Waves to LBOT, IDOB, Sorky, Kooky (sorry for anyone I've missed).

Hey all

Sorry I havent been on much but mum is down from scotland for the week - she is going back saturday so I am making the most of her! She has cleaned my home from top to bottom, cooked me amazing meals and been such a help with Griff cub and his colic. I'm going to miss her! Not to mention her buying me a new summer wardrobe as im not back in my clothes yet <<<sigh>>> and has bought GC loads too - we are truly spoilt!

Anyway - Diege - I can't believe its nearly that time for you! So excited and love the name Jacob!

Ses - hope that they all get off your back soon and leave you and DS to it!

oh and im def up for mini meet up!

gYO - GC is out of swaddle now - tuck him up in a sheet and he doesnt bother at all in fact in hot weather he has been sleeping in vest and no covers at all ! im sure you will be fine but you could always just start off doing it in daytime and then move to nightime. could do same with cot

i saw britney a few yrs ago and show was great but was disappointed that she only did 1 song live!! hope you still have a fab time jules - im sure you will!

my birthday 25th june!will be 26!

LB sorry for bad night last night - i didnt have good one either - gc was v.colicky which is not usual for him!

Sorky - cloth nappies sound fab - have fun with flame - i have some from nappy lady to try but with gc's colic i would not keep up with the washing. if it goes at 3months when everyone says it will i might be more inclined to try them out.

kayz - great about the car.

glask - great about the neighbours.

ok - sorry for everyone ive missed - will be a better wagoner from saturday hopefully!

Thanks Diege
We've already decided on take away!
Don't think DH will watch BB so may sky+ it!
Meant to say also, they weighed him again today and he's put on another 20g in 24hrs. Not a lot I know, but it all helps and after me being ill last night, made me feel relieved that it hadn't affected DS.

Really don't worry about your MW talking about next hospital visit. I'm sure it's just foot in mouth syndrome on her part. All getting v close for you

Hi SES! Bet that visit has taken it out of you! Lots of trashy telly and a take-away for you tonight . It does sound as if they've been very thorough though, and fingers-crossed the ebm will do the trick. Tbh, I'm not sure there's anything that needs doing anyway - your ds sounds the picture of health!

Phew!!! Just home from hospital and am knackered!!

Had a nurse, a SHO and a registrar all look at him and find nothing wrong. They did a few blood tests (poor little mite was like a pin cushion as one in his hand, two in his right heel and one in his left heel). Registrar said as long as he doesn't drop below his current centile (9th) then he's not overly worried.

BF counsellor came by and did decide that he has a slight tongue tie though which she and the registrar decided could be snipped next Tues. I've decided to get it done as I don't think doing it can really do any harm and he doesn't seem to be able to stick his tongue out hugely far.

Registrar has also asked me to express and give 45ml four times a day. BF counsellor agreed that this might be a bit much to expect and said it took her a week initially to be able to express enough for one feed!

We've compromised on agreeing to give 30-45ml of EBM after an evening feed. She got me to try their electric Medela pump and I got 30ml out after having fed DS so there can't be too much wrong with my production! Came home via Boots and got an electric Medela pump.

That's my update anyway! Will go and catch up on everyone else now...

<shudders at pull out furniture job> Though this is from someone who dusted around the objects on matelpiece today .
Yes, think you're right about mw's and their personalities . I'm sure if she'd had any concerns I'd have been referred, if only to cover her own back. I used to be so easy going and not really worry about much medical, but have found this pregnancy quite difficult to relax through, possibly because of mmc last summer. Anyways, just a few more weeks then I can start obsessing about the baby
Have looked at Flame website - love the range of nappies, v.cute, though was intriqued by brocade outer-coating sanitary towel?? Or is it a breast pad? <confused>

the nob

ta Kayz.

Sorky, this person was moaning about Psycho's posting style saying it was attention seeking. I don't come across Psycho very often but when I do she either is making me laugh or giving very good advice!

Flame used to be Flamesparrow a MNer with an online cloth nappy store (and acoutrements). Her store is called Bumfluffnappies.com.
<sigh> I do love babies in cloth nappies.

No, no especially good benefits with 3rd stage. Just avoidance of drugs I suppose.
M/w are funny creatures aren't they? I suspect she was maikng convo Diege tbh.
I find they don't do small talk very well, unless they've discovered something curious up your foof and then you can't shut them up!

Well, today I've done pretty good. Don't know where the energy came from, but I've got the washing done and put away ('cept ironing) really cleaned all upstairs (pull out furniture job)
Just need to sort tea and then I'm collapsing for the night

Ooh SORKY what's this 'Flame' you speak of?? An on-line shop? Will also be watching BB launch night, and then the odd eviction night.
Re: third stage, tbh just not especially bothered about the placenta - happy to have synometrin (?). If there's any benefit to baby though that you know of would be interested. I am going to wait for the cord to stop pulsating before dh cuts it though - mw looked at me as if I'd suggested eating my own placenta but I can see the benefits of that re: blood flow to baby etc so happy with that.
Having stupid paranoid moment here (as tis usual following any appointmenrt for me). Every time I see mw she asks me (when examining me) when I'm next 'at the hospital', and every time I tell her I'm not, and that I've been signed off for mw care. My rational side tells me that she's just making conversation, but then I have this irrational worry that she's discovered something so bad that she can't tell me and wants it to come from them . I'm being mad aren't I?? Or maybe not??
Just had text from friend who went in to have baby today (section) - baby boy, and all well. Really pleased for them as they've had several years of IVF, and the babies will be in same nursery, and then school. Feel strangely that it's all over for her!Right, better get tea ready - sorry for the self-obsessed waffling !

What was the gist of the thread Kayz? She's fab is psychomum

Diege why no natural 3rd stage? Curious.

Glad you had a nice time at the concert. I buy furniture for kids from Ikea or Next, would send table back and ask for refund.

LB how you holdin up?

Is anyone watching the jobs enter the BB house tonight? I hate the show, but Dh likes the entry night so will be watching tonight only.

Wonder how Ses got on?

Glask I got your card, thank you

Dd2 is in cloth nappies. I'm so chuffed, she isn't weeing & pooing half as often so I thought I'd try again today.
I'm off to visit Flame for girly woolly goodness and possibly matching t-shirts

Hello! SES, agree wiothy others, if paed gives you all clear, then I would certainly stop the weigh-ins. To have the thought of frequent weigh-ins hanging over you deson;t ehlp anyone, and it certainly sounds like things are absolutely fine.
LB, don't blame you for the nappies - not long until bedtime now!
SORKY, yes, the older 2 (7 and 6) are certainly finding it harder to drop of (twas 10ish a night ago) although that may be to due with the heat. I have kept the routine the same (up the stairs by 7 for all 3)but I'm happy to let the older 2 read for a bit (out of sight and all that!). Re: morning, it's any time around 6-7am, but has always been that time really - bloomin black out blinds don't seem to stop the early morning sun!
Glad concert went well TINKS!! Bet you're tired after your late night! I have an inkling that the verbaudet furniture will gradually be getting replaced
Well all fine at the midwife (apart form the dig at the doula that I ignored). Have oedema on feet, hands and on bottom of bump , but blood pressure fine so no concerns. Still head down!!!! Fingers crossed he's getting so heavy now that he won't move again, although she's said not to expect baby to engage until labour starts. Meeting with doula good too - she only flinched slightly when I mentioned not wanting a natural third stage, so I think she's getting the idea .Must not give birth this weekend as she's in Bristol!

Because they are sad and need to feel good about themselves but the only way they can do that is to put someone else down.... idiots

It's been deleted now. The first thread I have posted on that has been deleted too.

Someone was being horrible about Psycho. I just don't get why some people on MN have to start these threads just to bitch about other posters!

Which one kayzr?

<<bangs head on desk>> Step away from the horrible thread now!!

<<hides under wagon sofa>>

got brakens white side table have assembled have realised that vertbaudet stuff is getting crap table isnt perfect some scratches etc will do

hi

britney was ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

awesome pics on facebook

ye for all weigh ins dh took bracken she is 12lbs4.5ozs whih is great 3 weeks ago was 11lbs10ozs really pleased with her she is a chunky monkey

kay great about cars

I can second osteopathy have done it with both mine and helped with colic etc. Doesn't help with reflux though unfortunatly. DS is finally sleeping in his chair which i have put infront of washing machine. I have had to put the washing machine on with no washing in it as I have done it all!!! Still anything for a bit of piece.

DD has done her best to annoy me as well, she has had two wee's today one on the kitchen floor and one on the lounge carpet... needless to say she is now in a nappy... I cant cope with that right now.

Ses the paed will not take any crap and if he belives that the HV is being over cautions he will say so and get him to put it in the red book... Let us know how it goes... Cant believe I had to wait two months for a paed appointment and you get one in a few hours

Thanks Sorky, good to know. I am also lazy at thought of having to go and feed in spare room rather than just lifting DD out of crib into my arms doesnt make me thrilled but it will be better for her.

Ses- im really feeling for you. I really second Sorky's comment- if he is given all clear consider stop weighing him for a fortnight or so, or even longer.

DD and I were visibly better after I was discharged by the MW and the constant worry of the next weigh in was hanging over me went away. I was v fortunate and have a v relaxed HV who was in communication with a doctor who was sensible and said she trusted my instinct that nothing was wrong with her.

Sending lots of non wagonesque hugs and extra nice batch of warm brownies from the oven.

FWIW, think DD was finding her own weight. She was almost twice the size of some of her NCT peers but now they are bigger despite being only a week or so older.

Have you considered cranial osteopathy? I found it very helpful and the lady was lovely to chat to whilst she was treating DD

Sorry getting off my soapbox

Hi LBOT!

GYo, I had DS1 in our room until he was 7 months and DS2 will be going in his room soon. But it is full of junk important stuff!!

Diege, I love the name!!! Brilliant!

Sorky, DB doesn't have a family. He has a fiancee and she lives in Macclesfield. We've said that once we have both passed we will share it until one of us can afford to buy a car.

Not heard from Nat, I have sent her a few texts but no response.

Ses, Hope it goes well with the paed.

BJNP, Hope things pick up this afternoon.

Hope everyone is ok!

Ses ! If he's gained 1.5oz in last two days, what is the problem!?!?!? good luck at paediatrician, and if you're happy with his progression, I think you should just take their advice with a grain of a salt and continue as you were. Good luck.

Ah shite LB!
What are you going to do?
Is he perhaps overtired as well? I wonder whether a FF would do anything? Perhaps not, but I guess anything is worth a shot when it's misery all round

A very nice, strong name there Diege, glad you agree

GYo my first 2 slept in a separate room from 3 weeks old.
Ds2 co-slept (in our bed) for 1 year, major sleep probs.
Dd2 co-sleeping atm but in a crib, then next to me after 3am feed.
Once she drops her night feed she'll have her own room. Nothing to do with SIDS btw, I'm simply lazy

I can honestly say I've never paid the slightest bit of attention to any SIDS guidelines/advice. I do what I think is best, sometimes it's the same, sometimes not.

Good luck with the Paed appt Ses. If they give him the all clear I would stop getting him weighed, in all honesty.

Aaarrgh!
Saw GP. I've always thought this particular GP too thorough and after today she definitely is!!
She's acknowledged he's put on 1.5oz in 48 hrs and seems healthy in every other way but she's referred us to the paediatrician at the hospital and said they'll probably suggest formula top up. On way there now.
If they do suggest formula I'm going to tell them I want to hold off til next weigh in on Monday.

Oh BNJP, Is there any way you can get some help today? I'm so sorry you had such a crap night. {{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}} Here have a brownie.

LOVE the name, Diege! adorable!!!

Ses, poor you! Glad you're feeling a bit better, good luck at the GP today - hope t