Hi, this thread is nearly full (think you cant add any posts past a 1000, and this one will bring it to 996)

Have started a new thread for us.

new jan 2010 thread here

Hopefully you can follow over!

aww sersi i wish you all the best for tommorrows scan! let us know how you get on.

As for the cat sweet pets are great arent they! I'd keep the stick insects well away urgh.

pepa I have no idea how I am going to get someone to look after my youngest when I go for my appointments but for the reasons you have described I must find a way. your post made me smile though.

The sister from my local EPU phoned me back and was absolutely lovely. She told me I could go for a scan tomorrow morning which is a relief. She laughed at my doctors suggestion of bed rest and wittered on about it all just being so matter of fact for many male GP's and they have no idea of what women go through etc etc. I still have pains but the bleeding has slowed down so keep everything crossed for me.

iateallthecremeeggsyummy - I have a cat, a normally very grumpy and not at all friendly cat. Since before I knew I was pregnant she has been sprawling accross my tummy at any available opportunity, purring loudly.
Also have stick insects but I don't give them any opportunity to crawl over me.

Wow a girl goes away from MN for 4 days and I've got 10 pages of this thread to catch up on!!! Man we can talk!

Sersi keeping my fingers crossed for you. If you are like me with two uncomplicated pregnancies behind me I just feel like I am chancing my luck with number three...makes for one super paranoid hormornal woman!

bethoo congratulations and welcome to the thread. Glad to have another MN expecting #3 here! We can panic about the logistics of 3 together!!

Well the update from this side of the pond is that I had my first midwife appointment this week. My midwife was really nice (not the same lady as I had for my previous two unfortunately as she is on mat leave but still nice.)

The appointment itself was a disaster though. I made the mistake of taking my children with me and they ran RIOT!

There was no-one in the office so the midwife said that they could play in the waiting room with the toys as we went through my medical history - BAD IDEA!! The 3 yr old was just loud (playing the "drums" on any surface he could find) but my 21 month old daughter DISMANTLED the place! (and I am not exaggerating) Books were thrown off shelves, posters ripped taken off notice boards, business cards strewn everywhere you name it she destroyed it.....the m/w kept saying "no really it's ok" when you know she was actually thinking "And you've created another one like these two - WHAT WERE YOU THINKING WOMAN!!!!"

So needless to say I will not be taking my little devils darlings back to the midwifes office again!

yayy managed to post some pics!

awww what lovely pics!! such a cute little boy you have there! as for the boxer they both exactly like mine! ill see if i can stick a pic on here and you can see.

So you will have 2 dogs and 2 little ones! gosh your brave!

iateallthecremeeggsyummyi also have a boxer ,he is at work with me now. we recently bought a cavalier king charles spaniel puppy who is the bane of my life . i had two boxer (brothers) but the other sadly past away a couple of years ago, he is on my profile page if yu want to see.

bethoo yep my work trousers are resigned to below my belly even though my belly isnt growing, strange isnt it!

hi Biccy, sounds very similar to me, when i had mc i didnt have cramps just the bleeding so was slightly worried but like you its nothing like period pains thankfully.
Its def nerve wracking because im tempted to go to EPU for a scan but i know i musst wait for the letter to arrive. I was told by midwife early scans are ussually done within 6 weeks of first bfp, well today is 3 weeks so i know i will be scanned within the next 3 weeks.
Im so tired right now i might even go have a nap, or stick a dvd in, grab the duver and snooze a bit. Im still in my dressing gown! Lazy i know but im not doing anything today or seeing anyone so i can get away with it!

Does anyone have any pets by any chance? My dog spends most of his time lounging across my belly which isnt that good as i end up lifting my boobs where there being squished! Hes a boxer dog and very very big, so nope its not that my boobs are on the floor yet...........

Now what to watch..... Dirty dancing me thinks, although i'll no doubt be blubbing when he drives of in his car, then comes back saying 'Nobody put baby in the corner' sob sob sob.

Hope your all crying at silly things to! Best has to be blubbing all the way through BGT final week every night i was a wreck! lol

you're right Biccy - it is nerve wracking. I didn't worry at all about pregnancies 1 & 2 but had nothing to worry about. No unusual symptoms. However, I also didn't know anything, didn't use mumsnet or anything else of the like, and didn't really read any books - ignorance sure is bliss!

bethoo that is somewhat reassuring - hopefully I have had the same thing. although concerned about the pain - fingers crossed it is just ligaments or whatever.

does anyone find that when they are sitting at the desk it hurts around the midriff where their trousers cut in? not ready for maternity wear just yet! i have to sit back with a button undone! very uncouth!

Hi iate, I've been having lots of CM (so much that I feel it and have to knicker check!), read in my book last night that at 7/8 weeks you may get extra discharge, so I think this is all very normal. I've all sorts of odd feelings on and off, stabbing pains, crampiness, back ache, but nothing that really feels like a period, which my MC really did feel like - really tight pains that I was sort of holding onto. I've also had some vaginal aches (sorry everyone!), but also read that a vaginal exam would reveal a pregnancy by 7 weeks, so something must be changing in there!

It's so nerve wracking isn't it?

i noticed it the following morning sersi, we have sex most nights and i was too tired last night (honest could barely keep my eyes open) and no blood this morning! it is usually a little pink staining on my undies and when i wipe after first wee of the day. sometimes it will be in my cm, how lovely!

i will be 10 weeks tomorrow.
funny story really, my second period was late as only had periods back since having my 8 month old baby, took a test and was neg then two weeks later came on (so i thought) and thought the period was weird as really heavy and was three weeks long! something in me thought take a test! it was pos! called dr and said thought was a mc even though tests kept coming back pos as was taking one every week! she then asked me to give a wee sample for them to test even though it is the same as the ones you get from the chemist even though it took almost two weeks to get the result. finally got through as still bled a little (most likely from sex) and explained that though felt preg the bleeding has me convinced it was a mc. had blood test then scan last friday, found out i was 9 weeks and a day! surprised it survived the bleed.
with my ds i bled heavily and continuously from 6 weeks to 16 weeks and they had no idea why, said a hemorrhage somewhere in there!

Sersi I bled the day after having sex at about 7 weeks also and went to the gynae who said it is very common - I was lucky and got a scan.
It could well be that

thanks guys.

have phoned my local EPU and they will not let me self refer - have to be refered by my GP.

I am somewhere between 8-9 weeks. and now I think of it I did have sex the night before I noticed the bleeding the next am. bethoo - how long does this usually last for you? if you don't mind me asking is it pink / light red? is it straight away or does it happen the following day?

can't hardly believe the questions we ask of complete strangers!!

lol bethoo i know what you mean, although i have not rung the midwife once yet ive had no bleeding or spotting. touchwood!

I might contact them and ask for a scan this week the waiting is really difficult! I just want to know how far i actually am and that the bubbs is ok, prob same thing everyone else is wanting

How far along are you?

iateallthecreameggsyummy hard nto to put a space bar between that name lol
i would not worry, i forgot that the uterus still grows so maybe i am getting mixed up with the whole popping out after 12 weeks is when you can actually feel it, it is prob ligament pain. it is confusing as there are a number of possibilities why you get the cramps but non are threatening. only if you have a very heavy bleed with severe keeling over pains is there a risk. but if you want professional reassurance contact your mw
i hate contacting hate gp as i feel they think oh god its her again, what now

ok bethoo thanks, i am slightly confused now as from reading the net it says from 6-8 weeks uterus grows from size of a plum to the size of a grapefruit so doubling in size? I assumed that was why i had felt some aches and cramps certainly wasnt anything major.

Perhaps i should give my midwife a call as if my uterus doesnt need to be growing i dont want to worry. I had MC recently and so dont want to find this is the start of another?

Glad your having lots of cm, at least something is normal

at 7 weeks your baby is no bigger than a cm so your uterus is not really needing to grow just yet.

i have gallons of cm so nothing too worry about there, it is a good sign.

the tummy ache thing could be a multitude of things, like trapped wind for example.
ligament pain comes when the baby starts to raise out the pelvic area so not until about 12 weeks really. cramps and aches are just the norm. i get them alot but then i also get the opposite of constipation during my pregs which no mw has been able to explain! prob just dehydrated! oh yes dehydration can cause cramps too.

sersi sounds like you should go to EPU and ask for a scan. How far along are you??

Would anyone mind me asking a TMI questions please:

This tugging business from stretching uterus, ive been feeling things going on for a few days now but yest i felt really achy as though id had a rather lot of sex, but haven't! Is this part of the stetchy uterus thing?? Plus loads of cm, which i hardly ever get? I'm 7+4 today. (we think till scan)

sersi i agree with timmette, if you are going to miscarry all the bed rest in the world is not going to change that. and a preg test would only be neg if you had a cp. this far along there would still remain hormones in your wee for a while after.
is it alot of blood? i bleed after sex all the time so it could be cervical abrasion. alot of the time if bleeding is not through a mc then the mw/gp can not find where the bleeding came from.
hope all is well.x

Sersi - so sorry to hear your worries. I can't write much now but would agree - take yourself to an EPU if you can. They will scan you and hopefully give you some reassurance. It can't do any harm. How far along are you now?

Wow I can't keep up with all the posts! Hello to the new passangers on the bus.

I'm also getting some ligament issues, feels like I have pulled my stomach muscles, both at the top and the bottom, but only on and off!

Who mentioned crumpets? Save one for me!!

Anyone else gone off eggs and nuts? The first I knew I was pregnant was when I was chewing my usual muesli and suddenly wanted to vomit and had to chuck it in the bin!! Classy!

sersi I hope everything is ok. Is there an epu near you that you can self refer to and have a scan today or tomorrow. Not sure I understand your gp - my gynae said that if you are going to miscarry you will do it regardless of being in bed etc - when I lost the last pregnancy - so personally not convinced about the bed rest thing.
A pregnancy test won't tell you anything - sorry.
Could you just tell your boss gynae problems and avoid the whole pregnancy thing?>

Hi everyone,

Just been trying to catch up. So sorry to hear sad news for some of you, my thoughts are with you.

Also some new joiners - congratulations and welcome - hope you have uneventful journey's to motherhood.

Afraid I'm coming here for a bit of a stress today - sorry in advance. Yesterday I had some bleeding - not a lot but bleeding nonetheless. This morning bleeding very very slight but now have pain - its like a stitch but really low down on my right side. Tried to phone my midwife but apparently she's not around until Friday. Midwife team told me to phone my GP. He has basically said, bedrest for the next 48 hours. I may miscarry...if I don't think I have miscarried then phone him back on Friday and he will arrange a viability scan for early next week. Now I know there isn't much they can do but it all seems so cold. Also, how on earth am I supposed to have complete bedrest with 2 DS's and a job? Haven't even told my work I'm pregnant yet, looks like I'm now going to have to phone my boss this afternoon to say a) am pregnant but b) looiks like I might be about to miscarry so I can't come in to work for the next couple of days. I'm sure she will be understanding but its all so unpleasant, stressful and I feel crap.

Sorry to put something of a downer on this rainy wednesday afternoon but as I haven't told anyone about pregnancy yet I have nowhere else to feel sorry for myself.

On a more practical note - does anyone know whether taking a pregnancy test would tell me anything? Have one of those cheapo poundshop ones kicking about somewhere.

Biccy you will be fine with two kids but it makes you appreciate how easy it is with one!! my ds can entertain my dd and there is nothing better than hearing two babies chuckling at each other!
though i will let you know how i breakdown cope with 3 (all under 3, for a month at least!!)

iate, I see a veggie curry in amongst your ingredients?

Sorry bethoo, haven't said a proper hello to you yet! Welcome and congratulations on your third pregnancy - perhaps you can reassure me that I will cope with two children just fine?!

Emma's diary was the only thing I could think of in the pack that could have changed significantly (most of the leaflets are exactly what I had 4 years ago), and I'm not that bothered about Emma's diary, I have to admit! I seem to remember the midwives trying to give it all to me again at my booking in appointment anyway.

Biccy i think sometimes depending on the season the pack contents change. though i think Emmas diary is the same year in year out apart from the cover!

By the way, I put my booking form through the midwives' door this morning. Had this awful experience in the doctor's surgery yesterday trying to get the form in the first place, because I didn't want the whole pack, just the form and I kept on having to say, louder and louder, so that everybody in the waiting room could hear: I don't need the pack because Iive got it from February, but then I miscarried... ugh. Should have just taken the whole pack and scuttled off... but it seemed such a waste (their pack is huge).

I have to admit, it's the sleep deprivation whilst also having a 3 year old that is worrying most about having a new baby... especially as my 3 year old rarely sleeps through the night. I just have to keep reminding myself that I won't also be working and hope that makes enough of a difference!

I work 2 minutes walk from the best chip shop in town... not sure if I'm going to be able to resist it today!

aww ali have you tried ginger biccies??

7 mnths scarey isnt it, doesnt seem that far away! Im 8 weeks on Friday Although im hoping when i have my scan she does not put me back to something daft like 6 weeks Roll on scan date!

I'm starving too but the thought of food is still turning my stomach.
Been up in the night with DD she had high temp and headache feel absolutly shattered lol can't believe in just about 7 months we will be up with night feeds.

by the way sausages are in the oven! All 7 of them mmmmmmm yummy!

Oooh ladies i've been reading about all your eating habits!!

Roll on Friday when i get paid as right now i want penaut butter and jam sandwiched, crumpets oozing with butter and cheese onion crisps sarnie and picked eggs.......

As i have none of the above in the house except bread for toast, i will throw a big batch of sausages in the oven and chomp through them!! With mustard as im out of ketchup!!

All because............ IM STARVING!!!!

Last night came home from work at 10:30pm and DH had made me pasta, with egg, bacon and onion. He'd plated up a mansize portion for me and i never ever eat that much, i think he was waiting for me to say im stuffed! Only it didnt happen. I munched my way through that plate left not even a scrap and felt quite embarassed by myself! Of course i blamed it on the baby needing carbs!?!? Tasted yummy though, his cooking always does, and i have to today come up with a dish using the bits we have in the fridge a soupe of some kind so cmon advice please...... I have the following:

Lentils, carrots, onions, potatoes, parsnips and a turnip! What can i make with that??

Urgh rather sarnies anyday!!

hello ladies
it has taken me two days to read this whole thread.
i am sorry for the losses.
i am almost 10 weeks but because i do not know the dates as i only had one period since having my dd i have no idea whne i ovulated. i ahd a scan last week as i had a huge three week bleed when i must have been around 3 weeks. i thought it was a late period then for some reason took a test after the bleed and i was pregnant so was in doubt as to whether i was still pregnant as i have had a mmc and i know that hormones can stay in the body for a long time after the baby has passed.
i have a 2 year old ds and an 8 month old dd.

At work again today, and people seem to be on high alert for pregnancy symptons. Was offered a coffee, and when I turned it down (because I already had a cup of tea, roibos, but nobody knew that) I got raised eyebrows and 'oh, not drinking coffee' and 'you'll start rumours' from somebody else. Aargh. Going to go and ostentatiously pour myself a coffee in a minute, and am desperately hoping they are not noticing my distended belly (it's all gastric I'm sure, but it does look suspicious I think!). Have also been making a big deal of dd not sleeping well (which, generally, she doesn't) to try and excuse my constant yawning.

lol starshaker at your knicker checking... sure beats my kitchen and hallway capers! Does remind me of the time I broke down and was so desperate for a pee by the time the rescue man had fixed the car that I used a nappy in a layby... very weird, could only do enough to make myself comfortable enough to get to the next services!

Ohhh, and meant to say....we are going to need a new thread shortly. Only have space for about another 50 posts.....so someone needs to dream up a new thread title!!!

Morning all! I have no idea how you ladies are still up so late. I am in my bed by 8pm, lights off not much sooner after that!
Plus all the talk about chip shop chips is not helping my determination to stay away from them.

Marmite - Hope you are feeling better after your fall. I have made it into work today (but I drive) and the roads are getting very heavy. Enjoy your duvet day!

Re. the meds, there are so many things you cannot have, especially in the first trimester. I am still full of cold (desperately missing my lemsip), but getting by on olbas oil.

Re. the icecream - all the shop bought stuff will be fine as it has been pasteurised. Mr whippy ice cream from vans is a no no -I was amazed by that one! As is homemade stuff (like homemade mayonaisse). I even remember reading that pre packaged salads are a big no no! . Slight salmonella risk methinks. Ignored that one!

Have fab days all. Hope everyone is feeling ok, and for those in London, the tube strike doesnt cause too much havoc!

ok bet i can beat all with the knicker checking. I was driving along the local road and felt discharge or something (you can imagine what i was thinking) so i stopped the car and checked in a layby. luckily all was ok but i did feel like a bit of a weirdo lol. btw it was a quiet road and nobody went past lol

Yoghurt is great for a sore throat, and if you're having honey and lemon stick some ginger in there too! Had a cold for the last 3 weeks and am getting nowhere fast at getting rid of this cough...any suggetions? Even covonia says consult dr if preggy! Tbh the medicine issue is the only thing I've taken any notice of in terms of 'not allowed'.

I've currently got a peanut butter and jam sandwich fetish going on, not sure if that rivals chips for calorie intake or not...I don't do guilt or worry, so please don't anyone do the helpful thing and tell me how I shouldn't be eating peanut butter. What will be will be.

Right, well, thank you very much for your company this evening ladies, I am taking myself to my bed now. Night night. x

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well, egg in ice cream is raw, that's the potential problem... but actually I think anything you buy in a shop is going to be ok, as it would have to be pasteurised out of existence to make it on to the shelves... wouldn't it? I'd just be wary of home-made stuff if you're in a restaurant, or someone's house.

mm - if I had a sore throat at the moment and COULDN'T have Strepsils, I'd have a hot honey and lemon - half a lemon, generous tsp of manuka honey, hot water - actually extremely tasty.

I'm desperately trying to work out how I can schedule in some fish and chip suppers in between all the other shite I'm eating. Surely I must have a window somewhere!!!!!

Are we not meant to have ice cream with egg in it?! <confused and potentially disappointed face emoticon> I think my dedication to the cause might have a blip if that's the case.

I think I got glycerine pastilles from Boots for a sore throat last time - they don't have the numbing effect, but are soothing (and very moreish in fact).

No, I don't have a strepsils box... sorry.

But while hunting in the kitchen I found a tub of Honeycomb Caramel Swirl oornish icecream - and it's got no egg in it! So, it's a dairy craving this evening for me...

skidoodle, you are not alone in having feelings of ambivalence. I am having those feelings this time, and had them last time - but I would do anything for dd. DP was extremely ambivalent about having children, but I'd always been clear I didn't want a relationship with someone who wouldn't let me have any, so eventually he had to go with it... and he is now evangelical about having children.

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oops existent, bad spelling and heartburn all to do with being pregnant naturally!!

thanks Biccy, my latin is non existant not good so I didn't hang around on the page!!
I'll try cucumber.
Is nine weeks early for heartburn? I was feeling sort of pleased with myself as my MS hasn't been too bad and my fatigue seems to have lessened in the last week, on the downside I swear I have a visible belly already.
Not helped by the v glamorous new neighbour who i noticed at the weekend gardening in her tiny shorts and wellies, only for her to turn around and be at least 6 months pregnant only apparent by her bump.
At this rate once i get to six months the thought of tiny shorts would be fresh out of a horror film!!
Not that i'd swap it for all the tiny shorts in the world

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salvadory I presume you've tried gaviscon? It provided me with some relief last time. Poor you getting it so early.

londonlottie I've only just admitted it to myself. I asked dh at lunchtime if he was having any misgivings and he admitted that he was too. He was so excited at first. I guess having me come home from work and turn my nose up at the bean curry he's made (normally a big fav) in favour of salty potato croquettes isn't a lot of fun.

I just assuming and hoping the excitement comes back when I'm more like a healthy sane person again.

I think web pages in latin are normally pages under construction - if you look closely is it the same latin over and over again?

Slippery Elm is supposed to be very good - but just read you should avoid in early pregnancy, so, stick with the gaviscon I would. Or cucumber?

Marmite, I have a funny feeling strepsils are in fact a no, no... I'm off to see if I've kept the box...

I'm munching on a gaviscon cool that my lovely husband has just run to the shops for, slippery elm sounds way more holistic and probably what i should be having, just been on the gaviscon website to find out any side effects , lied and clicked yes to the question are you a healthcare professional only to be thwarted by the web page being in latin?! WTH????

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Ahh, amniotic fluid, of course! Why was that eluding me?! Thank you all.

I've heard slippery elm is good for heartburn? Think you can get it in places like Holland & Barrett.

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Re. the placenta/corpus luteum - I think the C.L. is around up to 12 weeks and it's at that point the placenta takes over. I only know this because when you have IVF you are given progesterone pessaries to take in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy to simulate the prog. that the C.L. releases during a natural pregnancy. Or something. I think.

Oh skidoodle - I've just been thinking the exact same thing in the kitchen. And thinking I'd feel guilty too if anything happened, because since the MS my ooey cooey attachment to being pg has diminished. Whose stupid idea was it anyway?!

As a long-term TTC'er I used to HATE it when pg women moaned around me, thinking that I'd give anything to be in their shoes. Well here I am moaning like there's no tomorrow. In my pathetic defence I try to only do it around other pg women (and DH, poor bugger). He's working (and living) away at the moment, and I could have sworn we had longer and more fruitful conversations on the phone before I started banging on about MS the entire time....

Biccy - ooh, is this a starter for ten? Is it amniotic fluid or have I got that horribly wrong?

amniotic fluid?
Now in return please someone tell me what to do with the most awful heartburn I have ever had, anyone else suffering or am I alone (and not just cause I'm v burpy

biccy amniotic fluid

Yes I thought there was no placenta yet too, but I haven't been reading my book like last time and I don't quite remember.

Isn't the fact that our hormones are still coming from the corpus luteum part of the reason some of us are feeling bad and eating weird things?

My thing today is fruity sweets. I had a whole bag of jellies (cinema sized) and two lollipops. DH says no wonder I feel ill.

coffeeandcarrotcake sorry to hear you'll be leaving us. Enjoy hugs with dd and hope you have plenty of support.

marmite if you're in that much pain, don't you think you should see a doctor? Your bean is probably fine in there, as Biccy says, but you may have done something to yourself (yes, remember her? ) that should be looked at. Crying with pain hours after a fall = medical attention, to me at least.

Love that I'm turning into the resident hypochondriac. Soon I'll convince myself I have Ebola. It might be the only explanation for why I feel so shite.

londonlottie your ms sounds a lot like how I felt last time. Commiserations - it's shit. I was going to tell you how it lifts and the next bit is way more fun but now it seems to be returning I'm too grumpy to look for silver linings, however thinly plated.

Also please tell me I'm not the only ingrate thinking "what have I done?" the sicker I feel the more ambivalent I become. If anything goes wrong now I will feel guilty as well as upset.

That reminds me of me reading that once you've got a baby in water (I can't for the life of me think what the water in your womb is called!) is like an egg in a jar of water. You can shake the jar as vigorously as you like but you can't break the egg. I experimented and proved this point...

Please someone put me out of my mushy brain misery and tell me what your waters are called?

I know the one. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm <drool>

I may have to pay them a visit. If there were any room in this tum of mine I'd scoot down there straight away but sadly I ate a portion of spaghetti so ridiculously large and gluttonous I would be embarrassed to eat it in front of anyone else. I must have had about 8 slices of bread and butter today too along with copious other snacky food items. Biccy - am also thinking PAH! to your greediness with the Greek yoghurt. I see you your yoghurt and raise you a loaf of bread!

Really sorry to hear about your fall in the shower - pesky bath/shower combos! Try not to worry (easier said than done) - I don't think there is a placenta yet... or am I making that up?? I like the analogy someone gave me once as to dislodging an early embryo - they said it's like trying to move a speck of dust in a jar of honey. It ain't going nowhere. The fall sounds painful though - do you have any bruising?

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Ouch marmite that sounds nasty... hopefully you have just bruised your tummy a bit. I remember reading last time I was pregnant about how well insulated your little bean is, and so very well protected from the external world, bumps and thumps and all.

I have just eaten 200g of full fat greek yoghurt. Meant to open it and nibble at it throughout the evening - but all gone already... oh dear.

Oh my mm - which F&C shop is this??! I need to make his acquaintance!

coffeecarrotcake - so sorry to hear your news.
Marmitemonster I might join in witht he knicker checking have been haveing strange pains also.. .
Is anyone else super hormonal or is it just me .

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Thank you all for the hugs and support. I picked up DD and went shopping with her, and spoiled her with lots of absolutely unnecessary things, stole loads of cuddles and kisses from her and now feel a bit better. It is totally rubbish however .

Well, fingers crossed for next time...

fifi - congrats! The moment you see that heartbeat is such a relief isnt it?? I know nothing is a given or certain even after that, but it is huge! Well done little bean! Hope you are catching some zzz's.

Welcome iate!

I felt awful this morning. Cold combined with generally awfulness. Managed to get a 2 hour nap at midday (god bless my DS!) and feel so much better. Well, relatively speaking!

Hope that everyone else is ok.

Coffeeandcarrotcake - so sorry to hear that. <<Hugs to you>>.

fifi - well done, hope you get some sleep.

coffeeandcarrotcake, so sorry to hear that. It's rubbish.

Thanks for all your crossed fingers.

All is fine, one tiny little bean with a flickering heart - I was very nearly sick with relief all over the midwife doing the scan! They think the pain is from the scar tissue (DD's arrival was rather scary - crash section and bladder injury needing 4 hrs of surgery) so I think I am just going to have to get used to it.

I'm off to bed now, I am totally exhausted and can barely keep my eyes open, I think it might be the gallon tears I have shed today.

CoffeeandCarrotCake I am so sorry, take care of yourself.

CoffeandarrotCake, am sorry

Are you ok x

sorry coffeeicecream i meant coffeeandcarrotcake!

what an introduction i have made! many apologies

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Coffeeand carrot cake am so sorry sending you a hug hope you have a lot of support nearby.

Not going to be in this group any more. Am gutted. All the best to all of you x

Fifi everything crossed for you here too

good luck Fifi, it is better to be safe!! crossing fingers for you-
I did go and buy some tops this morning- fashion is for long tops which is great! I have an interview tomorrow and I hope they won't notice the bum...
I'm seeing the midwife this week and scan in 2 weeks...and as all of you, I don't want to make any plan before I know everything is ok.

For those suffering from MS, I found that peppermint chewing-gums help a lot, also I'm limiting the amount of food on the evening as I can not digest...
have a good day

Fifi - keeping fingers and toes crossed for you.

Good luck FiFi fingers and toes crossed for you .

hope everything goes ok fifi

Hi Biccy no scan date as yet, was told they ussually do early scans within 6 weeks of the first BFP. Which is 3 weeks ago yesterday.

Im taking each day at a time, have had MS last week or so just nauseated, boobs feel sore and heavy mainly first thing in the mornings and very tired to! So each time i feel sick i breath a sigh of relief that everything must be ok! Woke this morn boobs were sore and heavy but not as bad as yesterday but if i poke them there def sore!

With my MC last time i bled all the way from BFP till confirmed MC this time nothing, not even implantation bleed, and my tests this time are much stronger, in fact the last one i did 10 days ago i think....the BFP came up before the pee had reached the end of the stick! lmao.

Fifi - best of luck for today, will be thinking of you.

Good luck fifi will be thinking of you.

I feel like I real resident today - am at work, so in front of PC full time, and office is very quiet today....

Welcome iate... I think it's rather nice to bump into people you know from TTC threads in antenatal threads...

Sorry about your MC last time. Do you have a scan date?

Fifi I hope everything works out for you - it may be a cyst I have one on my left ovary. Fingers crossed - at least you are getting it sorted out.

Hi all

Have just come back from the GP having had low abdominal pain for the last few days. She thinks everything is ok but can feel a "mass" on the left hand side. She wants to rule out an eptopic pregnancy, so I have to go for a scan at 1.30 this afternoon.

I am in bits, I am terrified that this is all going to go wrong and DH is 2 hours away at a meeting, I can't get hold of him and he travelled with a colleague so can't get back, even if I can get hold of him.

I thought everything had been too easy this time - keep your fingers crossed for me.

Hi everyone may I join?

I'm 7+4 today with our first bubba and we think due on 20th Jan but will definately know after scan as we had MC and no AF in between. When i had MC we though i was 7 weeks but scan put me at 5 1/2 weeks maximum and no heartbeat was seen. So i think were just past the mark of previous MC.

Liskey feel a bit awkward being on here dont want you to think im following you, found this thread and your on it. . I'll sod of if ya like LOL

I'm taking this one step at a time, first step was midwife, now next step is scan mainly to see if theres one or two in there, as im a twin and DH mother a twin also.

Jolly good! Still think it was a good idea to go.

Gp had a good feel and said everything feels as it should and its just muscle ligament pain.
Roll on a week and a half till I hit that magic 12 week mark but don't think i'll relax until I've had a scan.

Hi Liskey and congrats on the BFP

I don't think you're alone in not wanting to plan beyond the 12 week mark - I am the same... not because of a previous m/c but I think because it's the only BFP we've had in almost 3 years of trying (we had IVF this time) and it would feel like a massive uphill struggle to ever get another one. My brother's g/f announced she was pg too at the weekend and they're also being extremely cautious and keeping things very hush hush till 12 weeks. I think it's very natural to not want to talk about "the future"; we're all protecting ourselves. I was quite shocked when I saw the midwife how matter-of-fact she was about the future of the pregnancy and talked about it as if it was a done deal. I found it reassuring in the end but I did walk out thinking "shit! This might just happen!"

alibobins - good luck at the GP's and well done for making the appointment, I hope it puts your mind at rest.

Good luck alibobins, let us know what GP says.

Off to Gp at 9.50 still got a few niggles in my pelvis and hip area on my left side

Morning Liskey. Am feeling sick, and exhausted, and bloated this morning... so I think I had better be brave and pick up the registration form from the GP on the way home from work today. You're right, I think they want to know earlier than they used to, and I think they try and do a 10 week scan here, so you're right, I ought to get on with it. Just silly superstition.

Cheers Lilacpink and Biccy - nice to see you both here too!

I had a slight bleed at 6 weeks had a scan at EPU and then a second one which found no heartbeat later so I ended up having a medical mc at 9 weeks - very grim. So I've passed the point of last time - myself and DH are still worried though - we saw midwife on Friday and couldn't speak about later things as we kept saying we need to get past the 12 week scan first. We're trying not to get excited this time.

I think you need to register with your midwife soon though Biccy as ours wants to book in from 8 weeks for the scan and everything - seemed very early to me.

Oops, thought I hadn't pushed the button - but obviously had...

Hi Liskey, I recognise you from one of the TTC threads. I understand how you must be feeling scared. I have been a nervous wreck today as I approach the 7 week mark tomorrow (when I miscarried in Feb). I am too nervous to get out my pregnancy book; haven't told the GP or midwives I'm pregnant. So scared that admitting it officially will spell the end. But I was starting to feel out of place on the TTC threads... at what point was your mmc? Do you think you'll feel a bit less scared after that? Are you having an early scan?

Hi Liskey, I recognise you from one of the TTC threads. I understand how you must be feeling scared. I have been a nervous wreck today as I approach the 7 week mark tomorrow (when I miscarried in Feb). I am too nervous to get out my pregnancy book; haven't told the GP or midwives I'm pregnant. So scared that admitting it officially will spell the end. But I was starting to feel out of place on the TTC threads... at what point was your mmc? Do you think you'll feel a bit less scared after that? Are you having an early scan?

Hi Liskey, congrats on joining here. I had a similar thing to a MMC last Oct. It's great to join an antenatel thread isn't it

Hi Ladies - thought I'd wander over and join this thread? I've left it a while before risking joing this thread as I feel very scared about another mc\mmc.I'm 35 and had a mmc last August with my first pregnancy.

I'm now 8 weeks pregnant again due 17/01/10.

Wow, this thread is still moving along really quickly.

Despite feeling ill pretty much all day and night and being sick ~ 3 times a day I'm still knicker checking too. Funnily enough even after I had a scan I thought later the same day, perhaps I could take another test to check .

I feel awful, like I've been poisoned at the moment, evenings are definitely the worst! [sick green emoticon]

Seeing my midwife this Weds, she had lots of common-sense advice, was great with DD and visited us most days after birth for many weeks (DD had v. v. bad colic from birth to week 7, and we really struggled), she also called me after my Molar Preg as I'd had an appointment booked in with her, and she said she didn't want to just cancel, she wanted to phone and check I was ok. I think I'm very lucky to have her. I had the opposite experience when her colleagues visited when she was on leave; so much so that my DH wanted to ask one of them to leave!

Anyone picked up there free bag from Lloyd's pharmacy (from Emma's Diary)? Is it worth getting?

oh, I see!

lol i mean to being daddypig

starshaker - about being pregnant? To who?

ooops think i just outed myself lol

well im feeling better today. had a pretty good day actually. took dd horse riding which she loved. gonna have a nice relaxing soak tonight then bed

Thanks Ladies - You've made me feel a whole lot better. For those of you feeling poorly -I hope it passes quickly for you!!
I love that it's turned in to a food fess!
Still in office - poo! Hoping to leave soon...must log off now.

x

Hello! My day at work flew by today! Think the two whole days of sitting around doing nothing worked a treat!

Re.the prunes. I make a breakfast compote that is made up of prunes/ apricots/ apples/ pears. You boil it up in water for about 5 mins and I add it to DS's muesli etc. It is probably a good way for us pregnant ladies to get prunes into us also. Plus apricots are very high in iron. But DS eats it happily and so do I - is delicious! Just a suggestion!

Welcome to Esmeanddante - congrats!

Londonlottie - <<Hugs>> coming your way. Sorry you feel so wretched. Mine is nowhere near as bad as that.

Laurawantsababy - the preggie pops have defo helped me, but think I am the only one to try them thus far.

Biccy - I can understand why you are annoyed, but it is quite sweet of him. Agree with you, if you downplay it, your DD will forget all about it.

Hello to everyone else! <<Waves>>.

Its not a constant pain haven't had any sharp stabbing pains since last night. Think i'm just more aware of any ache since finding out.
I will ring nhs if it gets worse or constant.

alibobins - if the pain is constant I would perhaps call NHS Direct, at the least. I have had twingy pains on and off but nothing that has been constant. Really hope it lets up for you - doesn't sound very comfortable!

sazlocks - well, I don't want to scare you but I'm pg with twins and yesterday I had a massive craving for tomato soup! I have eaten an entire loaf of Vogel bread since Saturday afternoon and am actually on my way out to buy more.... I think I'm growing two sumo wrestlers in here.

I am so sick of this nausea, it's so grim. It starts about 2 seconds after I open my eyes in the morning and stops just as I drift off to sleep. Eating/drinking alleviates it for a few minutes and then it starts up again. <shudder> Hope most others aren't feeling this way.

Doctors have got no appointments and said if there is no bleeding then not to worry. Definatly think its ligaments as my back is twingy and feels like a nerve is trapped down my leg.

afternoon all
welcome to new BFPs
Mowmi - I had very few symptoms with DS and no MS.
How I am paying for my smug, glowing pregnancy now I am pregnant with my second ! I am not even 7 weeks yet and I feel and look dreadful.
I will have a bet with you all now that if all goes according to plan I am either having a girl or twins.
Poor DS is streaming with either a cold or teeth today so we have spent rather a lot of time curled up reading books. Good as I am not up to much more but if I have to read Each Peach... one more time I might scream!
We have just made it to the shops as I had a sudden fancy for tomato soup ! and some of those big chocolate buttons. Maybe I am incubating a giant sumo wrestler ?

Hi all, well I am now 6 weeks and the sickness and tiredness have kicked in! My sickness comes and goes at the mo and I just feel it.

I saw somewhere about preggie pops. Do they really work?

And thanks flightoffancy for the hayfever advice.. not so bad today, but if it gets worse I will go along to a friendly pharmacist.

alibobins, I second what skidoodle has said - I would get that pain checked out too. And I keep meaning to congratulate you on your degree pass - well done!

alibobbins I'm going to go against the grain here and say that if you have sustained pain you should get in touch with your GP or midwife.

It is, as most people are saying, probably nothing. But we're allowed to be anxious at this stage, and a pain like that that lasts would make me seek medical advice, and I am not one for rushing off for reassurance at the slightest twinge (not that I'm criticising those that do, I'm just too lazy, and have been lucky so far).

Welcome esme I don't think you'll get much help with not being crazy on this thread, but we should normalise it for you

PMSL @ timmette's DS and a boy called Auntie Liz Kids are brilliant. Thanks for the tips re: getting children to drink prune juice. I am a complete baby when it comes to the prune, so I might get DH to sneak prune water into my juice when I don't know about it

Hi everyone else I'm 8+5 today and this morning I woke up with the nausea. It seems to have gone now, thank God. I guess my easy ride might be coming to an end.

mowmi how sick you feel seems to vary enormously even from pregnancy to pregnancy. My former self is seriously jealous of how well I'm feeling this time around. Last time I just thought that other people who weren't floored by their nausea were just made of sterner stuff than I. It turns out that they were probably just feeling tip top whilst I found being conscious something of a struggle.

Thanks glad to hear other people are getting the same things.
Still feeling a bit tender around my hip bone but only when I sit in a certain way.

Biccy, on the hayfever I had a long chat with my local pharmacist on this the other week when it was hot (and I was going mental with my nose practically falling off). You can use eyedrops (sodium glyo-something?) and you can use limited amounts of the nose spray stuff. Pharmacists went through his prescribing manual with me and it said 'benefits outweigh the risks' for the steroid nosespray, and he was happy to sell it to me as long as you use within instructed limits and as little as possible (so with the recent rainy days I've managed to do without most of the time). Because it's sprayed on rather than tablet, apparently that makes any risk MUCH lower.
If you're really struggling 'the book' said you could have Piriton - as long as you don't mind it sending you to sleep!

Thanks folks, I hadn't thought of it in terms of DP's excitement... that helps actually. DD is just 3; I think the thing will be to play it down now, avoid the words 'fat' and 'tummy' and hopefully she'll forget about it.

Welcome Esme, glad to hear your scare was just that. I won't tell you to stop being a crazy though... just that being a crazy isn't all that crazy!! It's a bonkers time of your life.

hello and congrats to everyone!!hope you are all doing well and enjoying carrying your little secrets around with you!

Found out I am about 8/9 weeks (and due approx 15 Jan) last week but have had a pretty stressful few days...went to my GP and was referred to midwife - all hunkydory - but then had some bleeding. Massively freaked out and became a hysterical wreck. Returned to the doctor two days later who said nope not a miscarraige but infection in your kidneys: drink more water!!! Am now on antibiotics and have got the week off work (always a silver lining!) Feeling much better now and MS seems to have disappeared at last too!

This is my first pg and I feel completely confused by the whole thing tbh. I'm single and the first of my friends to get herself a baby so nobody to tell me to stop being a crazy!!

Looking forward to sharing the big adventure with you all!

Hi Biccy I make it really concentrated and stab the prunes with a fork and then put a couple of tablespoons in ds drinks during the day and it works.
Your dp sounds so happy - we have told ds who has said he wants a brother called Auntie Liz - .

Oh Biccy - I would have been annoyed too. How old is DD? Is there any way you could tell her that what daddy meant was that you'd LIKE a baby in there - but you all have to wait a few weeks to find out if there is? I can see that even that is a lot for a littly to take in and especially to keep secret. On the bright side, it sounds as though your DP is VERY excited about the news!

Hmm, the prune water thing sounds interesting - dd gets constipated, but won't eat prunes.

I am fed up with DP today. He asked me yesterday if we were telling dd, and I said no because 1) it would be too much for her to understand if something went wrong, 2) it's too long for her to wait and 3) she would tell everyone. So, minutes later, he started dancing round the sitting room saying he had a fat tummy with a baby inside it... dd of course very quickly switched this to me having a fat tummy with a baby in it. We said 'no, daddy was just joking', but this morning when I was washing she started patting me and saying 'mummy's got a fat tummy with a baby inside it'. Brilliant. Even if she hasn't actually registered this as something that's true, her joking is still likely to alert everyone we meet. And DP just shrugs his shoulders and says 'it wasn't my fault'. Really pissed with him about this.

coffeeicecream pears are good laxatives, or even pear juice, otherwise prunes.
For my toddler we soaked dried prunes in very hot water since he wouldn't eat them and then he had the very concentrated water stuff and it worked.

Hi everyone,

alibobbins, i had stabbing twinges with my son and also felt v sick constantly the pains I was told were ligaments moving etc. This pg i have hardly any symptoms i am 7 weeks so having read londonlottie expecting all to poss kick off this week.

Mowmi please dont worry as everyone says every pg is different.

Any tips on relieving constipation trying linseed but it makes me feel sick eating it. thinking dried apricots next??

I've had the short stabbing pains too. And the wind/constipation! One thing I wonder is that if some of us are changing our eating habits that's probably going to play havoc with our digestion - my diet has changed massively over the past week and I've had a few stomach aches/pains etc and I think it's due to that.

mowmi - PLEASE don't worry. Two things: only 50% of people get MS in the first place. Secondly, you're only 6 weeks or so - mine only started at 8+0 and I have twice the level of HCG floating around of a singleton pregnancy! I went out with a friend who was 9 weeks and being sick constantly with MS... I was 6/7 weeks and was talking about how it looked as though I wasn't going to get it and I almost wished I was so it would reassure me - she just said "watch out it's early days yet!". Everything I have read said MS doesn't start until at 7 weeks and you may not get it at all. If you can, ask your mother whether she suffered from it - apparently it's a really good indicator as to whether you will or not. My mum didn't really and I didn't think I would either; maybe it's because there are two in there - the little buggers!

Morning everyone. I've had some brief stabbing pains too - most people seem to think it's a ligament thing. Also, I think you can get a bit windy and constipated, and that can give you a crampy tummy... it's so easy at the moment to take note of every tiny twinge that you would normally not even notice I think.

Anyone else suffering with hayfever? I must find my homeopathic stuff and see if it helps at all.

Trying to do some housework this morning as I seem to feel best first thing and worst last thing now, and the house has got into a right old mess. But dusting not helping with the sneezing!!

alibobbins i've had lots of little twinges and pains in my tummy but i just figured they were ligaments like you said. also have had period type pains and backache from time to time which i've convinced myself are clearly signs of a miscarriage, but so far, not yet thank god.

Hi all - wow, a busy weekend, so much for my 'start work early' plans for today - have spent it all catching up.
I'm another one not feeling sick so far (sorry), though I'm getting really bad indigestion in the evenings - feel like someone's sitting on my chest from about 4pm onwards and constant burping! Had to go out for a big dinner on Saturday for my FIL's birthday - was very pleased that managed to sip a single glass of vino for long enough for nobody to notice that I wasn't really drinking - but then spent the whole walk home wondering if they could hear me belching dinner back up! Nice...
Must admit that lack of sick does worry me slightly on whether all's OK (then I tell myself to stop being ridiculous!)

I'm trying really hard to be 'good' on the list of things not to eat/not to do - alcohol-free beer is helping! Delighted to find out that the Food Standards Agency thinks sushi is OK - particularly as my SIL in Australia was told she couldn't have it when she was pregnant last year and really missed it (not smug at all...). Did get told off by DH yesterday for moving heavy pots and things around in the garden...

Hope everyone has a good day at work/home - sending some 'non sick' vibes to everyone feeling grotty.

Morning all!

Tons to catch up on. Am LOL at marmiteDP thinking oven chips would cut it. I have not caved to the chip shop chips craving. Had a jacket spud (oven baked very healthy) on saturday and new potatoes with Salmon and Yogurty dip last night. Eating spuds seems to have taken care of it...for now!

Anyhows, just popped on after seeing Mowmi post. Mowmi - I had zero nausea and zero sickness with DS. I promise you! Please dont let your lack of MS worry you. Skip away in silent glee that you have escaped it thus far! I dont even have it that severely, and it is not pleasant!

Have good days all! Another working week to get through!

xx

Hi starshaker glad to hear you're getting sorted. Hope you feel better soon.
Mowmi With ds I had morning sickness day and night and was really ill for 8 months - this time around I have thrown up maybe 5 times and compared to pregnancy with ds have not many symptoms at all - but that's the way pregnancy is - they are never the same don't compare yourself to anyone else. And try not to worry I know it's not easy.

Ladies, apologies for going quiet on you all so soon after joining you but have to admit this thread isn't having the calming effect I hoped for....
I have no sickness at all! You all seem so poorly and I'm really worried the fact I don't is not a good sign for me.
I'm so sick of the constant worry

Hugs to all x

Morning
Feeling a little worried this morning last night I had some sharp stabbing pains they were on my left side and in the middle they only lasted a few second but enough to make me worry.
Read on internet that these could be ligaments stretching any one else had anything similar I'm 10+3.

Starshaker glad to see you're back, patched up and rehydrated. Horrible for you to be so out of sorts.
Had my own mini-drama tonight, been feeling twingy and crampy this afternoon and then got myself worried about it, eventually saw an out-of-hours doc. He ruled out a urinary infection (sorry if tmi) and then shrugged his shoulders and told me to keep my fingers crossed that I wouldn't miscarry.
Funny enough, this didn't upset me particularly, it seems to be fair enough - sometimes there really isn't much the medics can do, it's all down to nature. Oh to do a Rip Van Winkle until July - to awake from my slumber to be told it's 12 weeks and all's well.

well thats me home. was on the drip for 30 mins and have dyorolite and imodeum to take. they let me home cos i have dd and im on my own. on the plus side, they think its gastroenteritis and that my MS could just be part of it. Fingers crossed the sickness goes away with the runs lol

Evening all.

anniemac I know how you feel. When I was pregnant with DD I was bouncing around and although I did feel a bit sick, I seemed to be able to brush it off without too much trouble. This time is a totally different story - I feel totally rubbish and want to sleep all the time. DH is very careful what he says, the slightest thing will set me off!

marmitemonster why is it men just don't understand that substitutes just WILL NOT DO! When pregnant with DD I craved roast chicken crisps - I was given smokey bacon - it just wasn't the same!

alfiesmadmother me too, I am really not hungry and have to make myself eat, I would rather be in bed. I would quite like to just sleep the next few weeks away

I have no idea where this weekend has gone - how can it be Sunday evening already?! Probably because I have spent most of the weekend asleep! We celebrated DD's 3rd birthday today, its tomorrow really, but we're both working. We've got 2 parties for her next weekend - both planned before we found out about baby No 2 and now it doesn't seem like such a good idea!

I've got an early scan on Friday morning - I'm really excited and dreading it in equal parts and am probably going to be a total basket case this week - so I'm sorry if I loose the plot a bit!

lol. DH just waked into the bathroom while I was on loo, in middle of the whole 'wipe and check' routine...looked at me with half confused, half disgusted look and said... 'do you do that all the time now?' Acknowledged that I do and why while secretly PMSL...if he could read this website and find out what we're all up to.

Sent him out now for food... yes I'm hungry for the first time in a week... and NEED KFC.

heh, yeah, either that or they'll be accessorising with guns by their 7th birthdays...

Sounds like no fun - you poor thing!

Ampster - it does help being somewhere vaguely kid friendly but at least your kids might get a sort of cool east london hipster vibe going...

oh starshaker hope you're feeling better soon

just MS along with ddiarrhoea has made me dehydrated. gonna have to take her with me. if they keep me in ill need to bite the bullet and tell my step dad im pregnant (he will flip out even though im an adult lol) and ask him to pick her up so my wee sis can watch her

yeah, stokie is pretty nauseating too. though frankly i could do with a bit of that. just one nice cafe, that's all i ask. but it's all pie'n'mash shops round here, and not in an ironic post-hipster way either.

starshaker you win on the ill front! what's up... too much MS? my pregnancy bible says sometimes if you vom too much you need to get rehydrated. best of luck at the hospital!

Oh no Starshaker. You poor thing! What has happened? Hope you have someone to look after your DD.

"east dulwich got too yummy mummy and smug dad-i-fied"

Oh god too true. You can't move for bugaboos! Stoke Newington in North London is pretty similar. I do like ED for shopping etc though.

Brockley where I am is not too bad.

well i feel ill 2. Im about to go to the hospital to be put on a drip to get fluids into me. Im not having a great weekend lol

I feel so ill!

Just over 6 weeks and constantly nauseous. Have not actually thrown up. Feel utterly bizarre much of the time, tied and sick.

But don't want to moan as I really wanted to be pregnant and hate pregnant women moaning, but its definitely so much harder this time especially as work is much more full on these days. I am being grouchy too whereas with DD I was just insanely happy the whole time - I wish I could be like that again - maybe I will blame it on work stress!

I am still eating quite a lot but I always eat a lot and I think the nausea means I am actually eating less than usual but still getting a big stomach anyway due to bloating.

This pregnancy so far is just so different to when I was pg with DD - DH keeps saying its either a boy or twins (twins seems unlikely!).

wow, what a lot to catch up with!

marmitemonster so glad to hear your stomach was a perfectly rounded preggie-bump which then went small, as that's exacly what mine did last week! i told boyfriend that clearly the foetus had been reabsorbed (!) and he believed me. he's not very bright, the poor poppet (cute though). however constant knicker checking (glad we're all at it) seems to show that it's still in there for now. fingers crossed...

anniemac re: coats the ebay leopardskin vintage swing coat sounds gorgeous, got a link? i promise not to snipe it! the IO one has been sent back. even if it did look good when i was massively pregnant, the only way i could justify the price (£120) was to say i would wear it if i was not pg. might spend the money on a sewing machine instead - make my own coats. (as if!)

glad to see some people are in south london - i lived in camberwell and then east dulwich for five years so know all the places you're talking about! however i moved to east london a few years ago after (how ironic) east dulwich got too yummy mummy and smug dad-i-fied. now i live in horrible poplar with nary a nice cafe or jojo maman bebe in sight. anyone other east london ladies on this thread?

i've been carb-loading as well - mainly hot cross buns. toasted with butter. om num num.

evening all - all I want is carbs, carbs and more carbs. We are having left over lovely french onion quiche with mash (!!) tonight. YUM YUM
LOL at marmitemonster DP and his oven chips. My DH is exactly the same. But when you need chips you need proper stodgy, squidgy chips not those healthy imitations.
Still feeling ropey - been out with two different sets of friends this weekend which we ended up telling as otherwise my random retching (nice!) ,yawning and general bloatedness would have been a bit telling. All delighted for us and crossing their fingers as we speak.

PMSL @ you guys what a tonic to read an entire afternoon of food-related rambling.

marmite I am seriously worried about your DH - the very idea that oven chips doused in red wine vinegar are an acceptable foodstuff in any circumstance, never mind an appropriate substitute for a very specific pregnancy craving is slightly unhinged

As for them being "market leaders" LOL

It is our cotton wedding anniversary today. I nearly got dh a really nice shirt but then decided we were too skint and got a very posh pair of socks, making it our 70% cotton anniversary

Also have the idea of an otherwise normal looking woman sitting in a restaurant poking at her boobs stuck in my head. Tee hee

Glad to be sharing this rather stressful journey with such bonkers ladies

Red wine vinegar, aaagh!!!! How about lots of melted cheese?? Cheddar of course.

I must be weird. Usually start to feel less sick at about 10pm and yes I also want chip shop chips with beans and curry sauce Have been known to want a crisp and salad cream sandwich too.

I hate not wanting to eat because my life revolves around food. I haven't gained weight but know normally I would have lost it, swollen boobs are making up for it, and my jeans are loose, but I am sure I will doubly make up for it when I grow later.

sleepingalot, I am trying to eat but it makes me even sicker and the other night I threw up the whole contents of my stomach after attemting to eat a meal with DH. Grrrrrrrrrrrr!!!

As for the sex, I don't want to do it, i just think about it a lot and if george clooney landed on my doorstep......oooh off to dream!

...and apparently, I can't spell either!

oh poor you marmitemonster go with *londonlottie's' idea. Send DP to shop... hide all your loo rolls and pretned you have run out, then you can send him for some...and of couse some crumpets...and maybe some malt vinegar!!!

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Satisfied marmitemonster? Were the chips good afterall?

Think I'll leave the snickers for DH...may keep him away from my Giant Choc buttons.

at mm's DP thinking that frozen chips are even the same SPECIES as chip shop chips! Is he mad??!

I think you might need to invent a spurious excuse for him to visit the corner shop. Just as he's on his way out you can casually drop into conversation "Oooh, you couldn't just happen to see if they've got any crumpets, could you?? Just, you know, in case they do..?".

Re. peanuts, I won't be avoiding them in pg - definitely think avoiding them can't help in terms of creating potential allergies.

And alfiesmm - yes yes yes - I wish I had gone off food... rather the opposite sadly! And I'm another one for whom the thought of sex makes me feel rather bilious!

Oh dear marmite, frozen chips just won't do will they? Personally I think it's the vinegar thing for me which does it on the takeaway chips... I am craving pickle, which is something I craved last time (along with anything synthetic banana flavoured, but please no real bananas!).

sleepingalot I'm also trying to avoid the multipack of snickers in our fridge (MIL gave them to us last week 'because I didn't see you at Easter so ate your eggs'). Part of me thinks the peanut thing is a load of hocus pocus, but I avoided them absolutely with dd and so far, despite dp having asthma, hayfever and eczema, she has been ok... fingers crossed, so I feel like I ought to stick with it.

I am loving the way this thread has started to revolve almost entirely around food!

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PMSL at marmitemonster's craving chips and DP producing frozen ones!

alfiesmadmother I'm same...no appetite, having to make myself eat... and trying to be healthy too... There are some snickers bars in the cupboard that I keep thinking about, bought them forgetting they had peanuts in and really want one...giant choc buttons will have to do (trying to ration at the mo tho consious effort to eat healthier!)

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Hi everyone!!! Haven't been on for ages and just spent half an hour catching up

Lottie, I am so jealous of your twins!! Even though that would make 5 for me I would be secretly pleased and at least you won't know any different once they are born!

Anyone else have no appetite. I feel tired and sick all the time and can hardly eat. Despite this my stomack is still rounding !

Also my sex drive is through the roof

Apparently this place does delivery fish and chips in Peckham: NOM NOM

Yes, the thing with a pack of 6 is that you have to finish the first half of the packet (goes without saying) otherwise the remaining one goes stale all on its own on that side. Then you realise it's hard to store the packet and bend that bit of cardboard with just three left so you might as well just stick those in the toaster and om nom nom nom .......

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marmite - if you can face it get thee down to the Sea Cow on LL although it WILL mean braving daylight. I've also had cravings for fish shop chips.

Which reminds me, went to the theatre last night and one of the characters started going on about CRUMPETS. Good old British crumpets, oozing with butter... so full of butter that they can't absorb any more butter... well, that was it for me. Couldn't concentrate on anything else in the play and am now desperately battling the urge to nip to the corner shop for a packet. Which I know will be demolished as quickly as they can be toasted. CRUMPETS!!!!

Marmitemonster you could try website
www.just-eat.co.uk/ they list all local takeaways..you could find one the is open, and delivers?

Hi mumbling I'm 8+3, have a scan on Thur...counting down the days.

Biccy I think we're all secret knicker checkers!

Am erring on side of caution with regards food too dal21 otherwise would become even more paranoid!

skidoodle I'm same as you - tired all the time (hence the choice of name!). Have had 2 weeks hol from work and back tomorrow and dreading it as there will be no afternoon kip (or mid morning snooze...)Before the hols I was home and in bed by 6.30.

well i went back to bed for a couple of hours this afternoon as dd is at her dads. feel a wee bit better now.got another 4 hours to kill. hmmmm what can i eat

Marmitemonster a friend of my sister had a what she thought was a lovely three month bump, which she was very proud of, until the midwife told her it was bloating. So I don't think you need to be worried about the effect of squashing... Aren't babies nicely insulated in there? But you could ring your midwife tomorrow?

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Hi Londonlottie - so cool if there are two babies roughly the same age, for them growing up. I've always had cousins of about my age and loved it. So fingers crossed! Re my sister, she was very tactful about breaking the news, told me on the phone the week before she told the remainder of my family so I had time to get used to the idea, and waited til the 12 week mark. Actually, I think it was tough for them too. They were absolutely kacking it for their first scan!

mumbling - ouch, that must have been difficult for you with your sister - pleased to see you 'catching up' and on this thread, especially now you've passed your 7 week milestone My brother is 5 years younger than me and will always feel like the baby of the two of us so I'm pleased he planned it this way (not!)

Whoooops the nausea has struck again... off to make some lunch. Perhaps NOT spaghetti for a change??...

Hi timmette, I don't think I'll lose weight, but hopefully prevent a mega gain like last time by snacking on 'Free foods'. It's just normal healthy low fat foods, with a treat allowance, but thinking through what I'm going to have and monitoring treats helps me keep in control!! I'm only about a stone overweight starting this pregnancy. I know larger pregnant women can effectively lose weight on it by maintaining their weight/ or gaining just 1 stone or so, so after birth are lighter than when started. It's midwife approved. To go to a class you have to have a letter from midwife. I'm just doing it myself using the magazines and booklet from when I did it after DS1. Recipes in the mag are great, plus lots of ideas for healthier treats and snacks.

Wanted to knicker check during aqua yesterday, felt some moisture squidge out and panicked something was going to happen in the pool. Must have been pool water pushed in when bouncing around .

Disabled with tiredness today, feel so guilty not upto playing with boisterous toddler DS

Hi Biccy – it’s mad isn’t it, how easy it is to be crazily anxious. My DH got quite ratty that I seemed to be anticipating doom in week 7, but once that milestone was passed, I was so relieved (and TBH, I think he was too). I had actually been counting down to it. So hard. But, it seems, the time does pass and with each week I think it is natural to get more hopeful.

Thanks Sleepingalot, I hope it goes well for you too. How far along are you?

Somewhathorrified – I like the sound of your doctor. I had an appointment with mine in mid May and she told me all about her own pregnancy problems and looked like she was about to cry... I came out fairly distraught. Somebody strike a happy balance please!

Londonlottie – my sister who is 18 months younger than me got married first (3 months) and she’s 25 weeks pregnant now (she got pregnant 2 weeks after I did, but then didn’t have a miscarriage...) Your brother has done the decent thing!! I haven’t told any of my family this time. Last time I told them as soon as I had a positive pregnancy test. Oops.

Thanks Dal21 – our roses have come out!

Welcome mumbling and earlynite*!

*Somewhat - Re the foods, I am afraid I am someone who erred on the side of caution with DS and am doing the same this pregnancy. Am avoiding all of the main ones - alcohol, runny eggs, peanuts...soft cheeses etc. I intended to have a little caffiene but have completely gone off hot drinks so that too is off the list. None of the things on the so called 'banned lists' are big deals for me, so not a massive problem.

Alibobins - congrats on passing your degree!

Sleepingalot - well done for making it out! Not a chance for me! I am in my jim jams and snug in bed as soon as DS is in his!

Londonlottie - am at your wagamamas. I love wagamamas, but there isnt one that close since we moved.

Skidoodle - my tiredness is ridiculous. Between work and looking after DS I am exhausted! Am back in bed and about to nap again when DS does. I didnt remember it being this bad first time round, but DH does.

Starshaker - I sometimes have diarrohea during pregnancy, had it from 5 to 7 weeks - although not with much frequency as you are saying. Make sure you drink plenty of water and stay hydrated. If it remains constant, I would get to the GP just as a precaution.

We woke up to torrential rain and thunderstorms here. Blue skys for a few hours and has just turned grey again. You can tell I am getting old - love a good deluge of rain, garden looks fab after

Happy lazy sundays all!

Can I join? I am 7+1 due 23 jan and very sick at the moment! This is my second I have 1DS who is 6.

Morning!, well it is miserable here in Nottingham...just rain.
I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one with bloated tummy (10 weeks) , this is my first and I'm just amazed how quickly it was noticeable. Anyway, planning on going shopping next week for long tops, not pregnancy ones yet, I'll wait for the scan.:-)

Eating ryvita and cheese spread! and looking forward to pasta for later ... I can not cook meat or fish at the moment, I just fancy fruits and ice creams...and very tired.. I have struggled all last week to go to work on time. Have tried to avoid all non advised food and caffeine, maybe a bit paranoid really, i would feel too guilty otherwise... but at the end of the day, our mothers used to eat anything and they had healthy babies... but I do eat peanuts!!
Londonlottie, my brother and his wife have got twins and as much as it is hard work , they are fantastic, so funny and the interactions between them is lovely to see. They are 18 months now and soo different but they bring a lot of joy in my family so I'm sure it will be the same for you.
Have all a relaxing Sunday!

is diarrhoea (sp) normal in pregnacy. ive had it for about a week now and it seems to be getting worse. im running to the loo every hour or less and i feel crap

PS: Not that I've been CAUGHT in the act of rootling you see... more that when I find any trace of pink and start my emotional meltdown friends on MN just say STOP BLOODY LOOKING FOR IT!!!

Morning everyone - gorgeous weather here in London. skidoodle - laughing at mention of CACF grandparents... I'd take their life at the moment, and perhaps the cabbage soup would stave off the twenty stone weight gain I see looming. Went out with a friend yesterday who I shared the news with... he texted me on my way home to say I looked 'dare I say it... blooming'. 'I thought I just look fat' I replied. I'm massive already!

Re. what/not to eat. I squawked when the midwife said no runny eggs - how ridiculous is that! She then spluttered that actually eggs bought in supermarkets are fine because they've been 'treated', and that it's more the kind of eggs you'd buy in a farm shop you'd need to be wary of. I've had the odd bit of goat's cheese but will probably try to avoid it along with raw fish.

My bro told me his girlfriend is pregnant last night - am absolutely chuffed for them although secretly really pleased we pipped them to the post with the first grandchild/ren: he's my baby brother and it just wouldn't have seemed right!

Think I'll graduate onto permanent sports bra wearing soon. Lol @ everyone poking their boobs, checking their CM every time they wipe, etc etc - I think we're all at it, you know! I've been told off several times for 'rootling' around to see if I can see any signs of things going wrong in the knicker department. Caught myself in a restaurant the other day squishing my boobs every five minutes, wondering if it was noticeable to the casual observer, and then seeing in a mirror that YES, it was very noticeable you bloody great weirdo.

skidoodle it was a degree in Children's and Young People's Services. It was hard work with two Dc's but glad it's all over.

Re dos and don't's of pregnancy - I have had a rare steak, a runny poached egg, and a runny fried egg, oh, and some unpasteurised cheese. Mostly did it without thinking and then felt guilty and worried afterwards.

good morning everyone

I've just had my weekend lie in and finally feel like I've had enough sleep. Anyone else's tiredness feel almost like a type of sickness? It's not just that I'm tired, it's this all-encompassing exhaustion that feels like it will never be satisfied. I'm dreading this week of work.

sleepingalot I too feel I would be perfectly content not to get out of bed for a while. Those grandparents in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory had the right idea. Other than visits to chocolate-themed places, I want to be where there are pillows

Welcome mumbling sorry to hear you're so nervous. This first bit just isn't fun, is it? Roll on scan dates for all.

alibobbins well done what great news. Now you can lie back and feel proud of yourself between sleeps or more like give yourself a little pat on the back whenever you get a chance to stop for a breather. Can you tell us what the course was? Sorry if you have and I've forgotten.

Oh yes, meant to say that I'm in Northern Ireland, so a long way from most of you.

Mumbling's post made me think. How many of you guys are actually taking any notice of the 'do's and don'ts' associated with modern pregnancy?

Personally I look at the lists, laugh, then go eat and do what I enjoy..."be happy" was my Dr. advice and I'm sticking to it!

Hi Mumbling glad your over your first hurdle, hope everything goes well for you this time.

londonlottie your heathly eating shamed me into having fruit and yoghurt for breakfast today... not felt like eating anything for last few days so have just been snacking, and it's not been too healthy stuff . Am going to make more of a consious effort to eat today and healthier things.

Hope eveyone has a good day

JamieJay, am so sorry to hear your news; it really doesn't matter how 'normal' it is, or how many others have experienced the same thing, it is still very very sad when this happens to you.

Hi mumbling, just thought I'd reassure you that you are not the only uber-paranoid one around. I miscarried at 7 weeks in Feb (plus lost two at 5 weeks in Nov/March) and am now 6 + 5. I am getting so nervous... am really worried this morning as I don't feel as rough as I did yesterday and my bloatedness seems to have gone down (but that's probably because I finally got an early night and a lie in, and I seem to feel the worst in the afternoons!). I don't like the nausea, but am even more unhappy when it seems to go away. I am knicker-checking like crazy, examining the loo roll every time I pee, have had dreams of miscarrying... and like you massaging my boobs to check they are still tender. I've even whipped my trousers down in the kitchen to check!

Londonlottie your post made me hungry (not difficult!) Yesterday was starving and wolfed down a veggie breakfast at a local cafe, including a poached egg - does anyone know if there's a poached egg embargo? I'd just forgotten all about egg issues

Sorry to hear your news JamieJay.

Hi everyone this thread is moving superfast - glad to know I am not the only bloated one - . I don't have ms but I do have evening sickness so I have started eating dinner at lunchtime and that is a bit better.

I can't believe I am 10 weeks already I have put on 1.5 kilos - hoping that slows down a bit now.

3 weeks to next scan but have blood tests next week hope I don't faint this time around.

That dinner sounds lovely londonlottie I might need to get a supports bra too although I am trying those vests with built in support first.

Maygirl are you doing slimming world during pregnancy will you loose weight on it - I quite fancy trying it - what's the food like?

JamieJay - sorry to read your news. TAke care of yourself and hope to see you on the AN boards again soon xx

Lovely to see you here mowmi - I second the advice to try a sports bra... started wearing one in bed about 3 nights ago and it's SOOOO much more comfortable now! Really attractive too (not)... can't believe I'm already eyeing up those oh-so-functional bras in maternity catalogues with about 20 adjustable notches on the straps. Next thing I know I'll be browsing stair lifts and commemorative thimble collections...

The nausea has been better today, although I still had to crawl my way to the supermarket and stock up on tons of carbs. I normally eat a fairly low-carb diet and it's anathema for me to have so much stodge in the cupboards. Today I have eaten (ahem): fruit, yoghurt and cake for breakfast. Spaghetti & salad for lunch. Late afternoon 4 slices vogel bread with butter and entire packet of veggie samosas from Sainsbury's ... then went out for dinner!!! At Wagamamas shared two starters and then had giant main course of noodles and teriyaki beef. Oh god I'm such a greedy fat pig!!!!!!!!

Thanks Maygirl

Welcome Mowmi and Mumbling

Half a stone of mine was between 40-42 weeks lilacpink, kept eating the haribos I'd got in my labour bag and stopped exercising as thought was about to give birth any minute ! Needed to keep energy up! I got bad water retention during the birth, and was exactly the same weight when got home from hosp as I was the day I went in, after having 8.3 DS! I was horrified, was expecting to be at least a stone down!
Trying to follow slimming world this time, prob still gain loads but hopefully be in the habit of following it for afterwards, as the plan for while breastfeeding is great, can eat loads !

Hi, can I join you all? I'm 8 weeks, 5 days and seriously paranoid after a miscarriage in January at the 7.5 week mark (was I worried last week...) Not sure whether you all are as gross as this, but I am prodding my own boobs to check tenderness, behaving like a detective at a crime scene, looking for blood each time I go to the loo - and gutted that I am not feeling sicker.
sleepingalot I am with you re work: I don't want to tell my colleagues, but every social occasion seems to involve sneakily avoiding drink!

So sorry jamiejay to hear your sad news.

I haven't been on for a while, really sorry to hear that some have had bad news.

sleepingalot - yep I'm also bloated. None of my work trousers fit me anymore and I had to buy some baggy ones with a low waist from New Look. My gut looks massive and my boobs have gone up a size already and my nips seem massive (sorry!)! Don't know if anyone has noticed though!!!

Despite all this I still can't believe I'm pregnant!

nervoussara - it is a bloody rollercoaster isn't it? I don't know what I was expecting it to be like, I half sort of thought that I would flounce around in flowery maternity wear for a few months and then have a gorgeous baby and nothing else would change but everything in your life goes upside down. It's a lot to take in.

Hi mowmi you really have been through it to be here, I hope everything goes well for you.

So sorry JamieJay hope you have someone giving you lots of hugs.

alibobins congrats on passing your uni work

Well folks, went for 'night out' tonight and back home in bed already. It all started to go wrong when I started to get ready and put on my newish black trousers that I only wore about 4 weeks ago and was a real struggle to close them and when I eventually did they looked ridiculous... so put a skirt on and still felt all wrong. Am so bloated at mo I actually look pregnant and am only 8+2! Arrived at party (my bosses) and drinking sparkling water made certain colleagues eyebrows raise (I'm driving...honest!!) Felt as though one colleague was staring at my tummy - she was sitting down and I was standing, which didn't help. Not planning on telling work folk until end of wk 12 so became super paranoid, made excuses and left. Now back to the sanctuary of my lovely bed, where, quite frankly I could quite happily stay for the forseeable future!

Hi All

Dal21 thanks for preggie pop link, I'll take a look ASAP.

starshaker if you think your friend may take an interest later, perhaps it may be an idea to remind him briefly of the preg on a regular basis as you go through it now, so he can help sooner than later after birth. I'm just thinking in the long-run if you can build a relationship for your child(ren) earlier it may be worth exploring, even though he is being worse than useless now. My DH is preg/baby phobic, even though he loves our DD and we love each other and have lots in common, it's been hard to get here, and he'll struggle until DC2 is at least 3mths. I have friends who DHs are similar, so perhaps part of your friends reaction could be that too (fear).

maygirl I'm 5ft and put on 4 stone after 1st preg too! I put it down to the fact I had to stuff carbs to stop being ill, but truth is in last month I also gave up and ate cookies day and night. I had water retention (all over arms and legs), so just though it's just water it'll leave later - big mistake, literally! 3 mths after giving birth a lady in Mothercare said 'someone knows what shes having' (I was buying pink clothes and DD wasn't with me)

Loads to catch up on sorry for the losses and congrats to others.
Still feeling very sick constantly but never actually sick
I really have to force myself to eat.
Well I'm 10 weeks and really don't know when my first scan will be so still not telling people.

Just found out I've passed my uni work so I'm really happy and will graduate in November was planning on dieting for that but will prop be glad of hiding under thye gown

mowmi - gosh, you guys really have had a very arduous journey to get here. Glad to have you with us

If your boobs are sore at night you could try wearing a (properly fitted) sports bra. It helped me loads last time. Mine were so comfortable and my boobs so sore I ended up wearing them all the time.

JamieJay - so sorry to hear your news I hope you have lots of support to get through it.

Hi everyone else

I had a very lazy day today too. I was meant to be sorting out my clothes into our wardrobes (rather than having them lying around in suitcases and bags) but the bed was just there and I'm pretty sure it was calling out to me. Let's just say I let myself be seduced

nervoussara please don't worry about being a downer. We're hardly a barrel of laughs around here are we? Feel free to talk away about how you're feeling. Far better than faking excitement you don't feel and not acknowledging worries you have. If you have a search on MN you might find some useful threads about antenatal depression. You're far from alone.

Biccy I am so jealous of your curry , although I suppose I could have made one if I hadn't been sleeping all afternoon.

Mowmi - welcome! I have read some of your threads on the pregnancy boards...am so glad you are with us! Oh and I had zero symptoms with DS aside from the amazinly sore and huge boobs! And is causing havoc in his bath woth DH as I type!

JamieJay - am so sorry to hear your news. <Hugs>

Biccy - DS has also watched way more tv than normal today!

Hi Ladies, Can I join you? After quite a traumatic week I finally got to see heartbeat on Thursday so I'm going to brave this thread if that's ok?
It's baby no1 and we've been through a lot to get here (pcos, testicular cancer, 2 ivf cycles, 1 mc...)
Total surprise after all that to get pregnant this time naturally!
After mc earlier this year I'm very anxious - managed to add to this terror by having a scan at what I thought was 6 weeks (nothing but an empty sac) turns out I would only have been 5+3!
Still very worried but trying to relax - figure even with pcos the odds are in my favour?!

I don't feel as ill as you guys do (which also worries me!!) I've got sore boobs which kill when I take my bra off at night, I'm also weeing about 5 times per night!)

Hope you are all well? Hello Lottie x

Jamie Jay;
my heart goes out to you my love. It happened to me too in Feb, so here's a really BIG hug for you. xx

I need to bow out. I lost the pregnancy last week at 5+6 weeks.

Good luck to everyone else and hope there are lots of bouncy babies in the new year.

Pretty lazy here too, although I have managed to get a curry cooking for supper (although with dd being only 3 and it now being 6.20 I am rather behind schedule). Am trying not to feel guilty that she's had the TV on since about 3.30... it's only temporary, right?

Hello everyone!

Today has been an uber lazy today in our household! Nothing of note has really been achieved as I too have been feeling bleurgh!

Firstly - to all the firsttimers. When I felt pregnant with DS, it was totally planned and very much wanted. I would have been utterly devasted if there had been any difficulties conceiving. We were fortunate and DS was a little bean as soon as we started trying. Having said all of that. My emotions were everywhere! I felt scared, overwhelmed and more than anything 'OMG, what have we done, this is it'. And I think that last emotion was the best summary of how I felt. Virtually every other decision you make in your life is (IMO), not so life changing and final. Marriage was huge for me, but even marriage paled into insignificance next to having a child! It was so final. I also remember saying to DH 'what if he/ she doesnt like me' Plus there is the worry of not knowing what lies ahead. As Biccy has said, once hormones settle, you can tell people and you have an actual bump - it all comes together. I loved the 2nd trimester. I felt fantastic.
So to all of you feeling differing emotions, it is perfectly natural and hopefully will pass as the pregnancy progresses.

Skidoodle - Mine is nectarines, but oranges also sound fab right now!

Somewhat - I wouldnt bother, you'll only need bolt cutters to get through it at some point!

Nervoussara - please keep posting here for support! We will all have our ups and downs and hopefully will help one another through them.

Sleepingalot - I did have a pizza express pizza last week. Other than that, am trying to stay healthy. Am not convinced fried foods will actually make me feel much better.

Starshaker - am very sorry to hear about your situation. Hope we can provide you with all the support (albeit not actual useful support) that you need.

Hope everyone else has enjoyed today. I am already looking forward to my bed!

dont have any mutual friends and dont know his family. we both kept our familys seperate from friends. if im honest id rather not have him around if hes not gonna be interested. dont need extra crap to deal with really. he has 2 older kids so im wondering if when baby(s) come he might get a heart and want to be involved

nervoussara sending u a hug. Sorry to hear your feeling down. I think Biccy and londonlottie are right. This is my first and have waited soooo long that while I'm over the moon I'm so nervous at times too...it's like a rollercoaster of emotions.

somewhathorrified you should come to my house and eat the contents of my fridge - I've lost all appetite for the last few days. I did go through the fruit stage for a few weeks skidoodle but still on the giant choc buttons at the mo (safely hidden from DH) seems to be the only thing I want to eat.

So dal21 which craving have you given into?

starshaker your so called friend sounds as though he needs to grow up a little. Do you know any of his family? Maybe they can take on some of his responsibility?

Not had any MS so far, and hoping stays this way, didn't have it with DS1. But have been hit with extreme tiredness, feel a hormonal and tearful mess!

Albany midwives looks lovely. In fact it was reading the homebirth stories there that started the tears rolling! I planned a home water birth last time, but ended up post dates so having a hospital induction.

Trying to reign in the eating, as gained 4 stone last time and at only 5ft, was quite a weight gain!

Hope everyone's able to have a relaxing and restorative weekend.

Not had any MS so far, and hoping stays this way, didn't have it with DS1. But have been hit with extreme tiredness, feel a hormonal and tearful mess!

Albany midwives looks lovely. In fact it was reading the homebirth stories there that started the tears rolling! I planned a home water birth last time, but ended up post dates so having a hospital induction.

Trying to reign in the eating, as gained 4 stone last time and at only 5ft, was quite a weight gain!

Hope everyone's able to have a relaxing and restorative weekend.

nervoussoura, is this your first? I remember feeling really down in the early weeks of my first pregnancy; I couldn't believe I was ever go to feel like me again, and I just kept thinking 'what have I done?'... but things changed once the hormones settled down and I had a lovely bump to rub, and I got my normal energy levels back. I cried alot at my first GP appointment - poor thing, she had to gently ask if the pregnancy was good or bad whilst pushing the box of tissues at me while I sobbed and gasped 'good'. She said that's why she has tissues, and it is a really weird time emotionally, and to try not to worry about not feeling excited - it's perfectly normal. I'm not feeling excited now, currently my overriding feeling is fear (not of the birth, just the whole responsibility thing I think).

I had the Martha and William Sears book on pregnancy, and it was fab I thought, especially in terms of acknowledging all the negative feelings you may be having, giving you some explanation as to why you may be feeling like that, and letting you know that it's ok to feel like that.

You're not alone nervoussara - I think it's normal to be full of trepidation. Being pregnant isn't just a simple black and white thing - it's possible to want a baby but be terrified of the process, or have mixed feelings along the way. I've been having loads of them myself, especially since finding out it's twins. Everyone we've told has said those immortal words "YOU MUST BE SO EXCITED!!!" and actually, I just feel numb and terrified. I'm also starting to feel as though my body has been taken over by a hit squad and am not enjoying the constant nausea and feeling out of breath already at the slightest exertion.

I'm hoping I come back round to the idea because at the moment I feel pretty grim!

Hi guys. Have been reading everyones ups and downs but haven't been in touch as feeling too poo. Very anxious and depressed as well as feeling sick. Its so hard because there isn't much advice on depression through pregnancy. Can't believe I'm only 6 weeks. Sorry to be a downer but everyone is saying how excited I should be but I can't. I want a baby just not all this. Hope you guys have a fab weekend. Some sunshine would have been good.

starshaker I'm shocked. This 'mate' sounds like a perfect candidate for compulsory castration. You'll probabaly find that your friends will be expecting to drop everything when you need them, that's what friends do! I wouldn't fret about it. You may find someone on here who lives close to you and is in a similar position, stranger things have happened. In the meantime we're here for moral support.

Regarding obscure behaviours: I appear to have aquired the appetite of a starving nation. No edible item is safe! I'm thinking of investing in a padlock for the fridge.

dal first time around I went back to eating as I had when I was a teenager.

It was bizarre, and extremely unhealthy as I had a terrible diet when I was that age. I was also able to eat a terrible diet and stay rail thin and full of energy, which doesn't quite work for me now

This time around I seem to be turning into some kind of fruitarian. I am crazy for oranges in particular. Yum.

Biccy - I haven't had any actual crying jags but for some reason even the slightest mention of a baby (including DD's book "Whose Baby Am I?", which is about baby animals) makes me well up. It feels more like a physical reaction than an emotional one because I'm thinking "this is ridiculous" but still the tears come unbidden.

marmite In my work a colleague came back from maternity leave during which her brother had died (probably suicide)

The first morning she was back there ended up being some jokes cracked about suicide in our morning meeting. It wasn't aimed at her, although she must have been shocked and upset by it. But it was noted, and words were had with the people who did it. It was carelessness, not spite that brought it about, but it was still unacceptable.

I don't know your colleagues and they do sound pretty dreadful. But it may be that they are not fully aware of what they are doing, and it may also be that there are people hearing this who are appalled and are saying so out of your hearing (to spare your feelings).

Anyway, I hope you can get to the stage with it all where you can let it wash over you and not be stressed out and upset by it. I know that it far, far easier said than done. Being miserable in work, particularly when you don't like your colleagues, can be very trying emotionally.

starshaker at your "friend" what a louse. That's great that you have such good friends to help you out. It sounds like you've been through the mill recently, hopefully we can give you some support here too.

preggie pops

I ordered 10am on tues morning, they arrived 9am the next day. Didnt bother with any of the packages, just bought 1 box each of the 2 flavours. They are expensive but have helped me. HTH everyone else.

I have a craving for 2 things and they have not gone anywhere. Fish shop chips and a Burger King Bean Burger. [BLUSH] How random? I used to eat them when I was a teenager....I may actually have to cave into one of the cravings this weekend.

starshaker I am pretty sure that you can get help, for free, when you have twins. Don't quote me, but I think trainee nursery nurses need the experience - and even though they are inexperienced, it's not really experience you'd be after I don't suppose, as much as another pair of hands? I'm sure when you see a midwife they can tell you what help is available in your area.

You know marmitemonster cold fizzy liquid actually on my tummy might not actually be so silly... hmm..

Has anyone else had one of those moments yet when you suddenly start crying uncontrollably and thinking 'oh what am I doing, a baby???!!'. I know it's the hormones, because it happened last time even though I'd been broody for about 10 years, and I don't want to put the frighteners on first timers, because my dd is 100% the best thing in my life... but oh dear, the tears have been coming thick and fast this evening.. and I was watching a comedy on Film4!

Re questions for 1st timers - I advise asking whatever comes into your head, no matter how silly you think it may sound. I asked every thing from 'do I really need to buy baby lotion' (no), to 'I think I'm breaking her ankles every time I lift her legs to do a nappy, could you watch me and check I'm doing ok?' (yes)

my dd goes to nursery in the morning and my mates help out when they can. But my family have more important things to do. Im looking into having a doula as i cant expect my mates to drop everything and i know my family wnt.
Not sure if people know my situation but dd's dad cheated on me 7 times before i kicked him out. I then got drunk with my mate and he got me pregnant. He wont even speak to me now. sorry just feeling really shitty today

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Starshaker I'm friends with two mums with twin boys born within the same week. One was single & started a routine ASAP and had both sleeping through chunks of the night by 6 weeks! The other one (couple) still stays up with hers now until they're asleep, gives them bottles etc. (they're approaching 3). My single friend has a new partner and is considering no.3. Other friend says 'no way'. Anyhow, my point is that if it is twins, you can get through this, and that having a partner sometimes doesn't help with routines. Personally it took me awhile to get DH to let me get on with it, and this time around I'm setting the routine ASAP as I'll need to continue it when he's at work anyhow. I hope you have family/friends support or will be able to use a nursery for breaks, whether 1 or 2 DCs.

Dal21 to echo the earlier question - where do you buy preggie pops? I'm trying travel sickness bands, but as with 1st preg not sure if they're helping or not. I'm sick 1-2 times a day, waking between 2-4am to be ill, and then ill again around 9pm, sometimes around 10am in morning. I'm finding rice crispies with sugar and plain toast the best to settle my stomach, but will try anything anyone else suggests!

oh Starshaker - it must be hard to be excited by twins when you're doing this solo... sending hugs.

Londonlottie, also not had any MS. Hoping this situ remains... Also running out of fitting underwear, think a shopping spree might be in order tomorrow.

Craving spicy food like mad - DH out at rugby dinner (decided not something to try sober so have declined joining, think for the best..) so made a curry, but not hot enough!!

Somewhathorrified - questions, next time try: who would win in a fight, She-Ra or Cheetah from Thundercats? Although seriously, I'm first go at this and not really thought all that much about it, just keeping to the stupid long list of things I can't eat and hoping no-one suggests I try childbirth without a shedload of drugs... Any 2nd (3rd, 4th) timers can suggest anything I should be asking about? They are a bit rubbish round here so I don't get an appointment until 29th June...

Hi marmite - still shocked at the work comments. Are they doing it deliberately or just being incomprehensibly thoughtless?! The GP surgery is called Chadwick Road DMC details here - we see a wonderful GP called Marc Duffield. He's been so lovely he was one of the first people I called to tell our news because I knew he'd be thrilled.

Huge sympathies to anyone else feeling shitty at the moment. I really am in the thick of it and feeling fairly sorry for myself. Spoke to my mother who tried to reassure me by saying I only had another month or so to go of the nausea - my first thought was FECK - I've only managed two days of it so far and it's awful!

starshaker - sorry to hear things aren't exactly ideal for you at the moment... I've been reading up loads about twins (mainly because my initial reaction wasn't exactly to be over the moon) and as marmite says apparently once they're a bit older they do play with each other. Anyway, hope the scan gives the result you want next time...

Nachos on toast marmite - that beats my new thing which I am becoming obsessed with. Spaghetti. Huge plates of. With cream and parmesan and garlic. I'm almost hoping I get to the point where I'm incapable of cooking it because at this rate I'm going to be off the charts when it comes to weight gain

no id quite like to keep my head burried in the sand please lol. in different circumstances i have always said i would love twins but im on my own now with dd and the dickhead donor (not even calling him a dad) wants nothing to do with this. It was scary enough to think of 1 let alone 2

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i dont know if i could cope with twins. Its gonna be hrd enough if there is just 1 (single mum) i hope its a shadow or a blip so fingers crossed. 2 would just be too much lol

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PMSL @ marmitemonster imagining Biccy pouring her tasty drink all over her tummy

OK, nachos ON TOAST? I don't comprese. I wish you hadn't said nachos. I'm getting very food faddy these days and now I really, really want a plate of nachos (just on the plate though, no toast required )

sazlocks what you're describing sounds a lot like how I felt last time. It was really shit. I also used to say "at least I haven't puked", but TBH the odd vomit might have relieved the awful, relentless, exhausting nausea. I hope you find some relief through seabands or lollipops. I never tried anything like that. Probably couldn't get myself to the shops because I was feeling too shite.

laurawantsababy well done your DD walking already My DD (14 mos) took her first steps on Wednesday <proud mama emoticon>

Right off to make some potato pancakes for my daughter. She's been eating some rubbishy things since we moved. Got to stock up on foods for her.

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evening all - welcome to new BFPs and hello to everyone else.
Feeling wretched - don't know about morning sickness more like all day, every day sickness. Although to be fair I haven't actually been sick yet but the slightest smell sets me off nausea wise. Other peoples perfume in work is a particular annoyance at the moment ! I am going to buy some of those band things tomorrow and see if that helps. Given that I am only 6.5 weeks its going to feel like a long way to 12 weeks if I carry on feeling this rough.
Told my boss yesterday and she was very lovely - excited for me and told me to go home if I was feeling ill etc. I feel very lucky to have such a supportive work environment - especially reading about your experience marmitemonster - how dreadful are your colleagues ?!
Happy weekend everyone

Hi all, seems like everyone is doing well!

I am 6 weeks on Sunday and wondering how the hell I can wait another 6 for my scan! Im so tempted to tell my mum but would rather just give her the scan photo and watch her face go white!

Its dd's 1st birthday party tomorrow! Im knackered just thinking about it She has become a lot more confident with her walking today so thats going to fun in the next few weeks! I have started napping with her in the afternoons and have noticed a big difference.

Ahh, resting the head on the cupboard door..... sounds familiar

dal - is there somewhere easy to buy the Preggie Pops? I'll take all the help I can. Am on day 2 of this sickness lark and DH is already bored to death of me blathering on about it.

Biccy - the elderflower/apple sounds divine <makes mental shopping list>

We've told quite a few people - close friends (who knew we were having IVF) and family. I can't bear to weigh myself any more as I think I'll be horrified by the results. But that's what comes of eating giant bowls of spaghetti with garlic/cream/parmesan sauce every day this week.....

Biccy that sounds YUM! I haven't much nausea but I might make it anyway

dal I just told a friend of mine today. My immediate family all know already. I would definitely want this friend's support if anything went wrong so there's no risk telling her. I've also got her lined up to lie for me at a wedding we're both going to soon

Hi guys, just a quick post to recommend Elderflower and apple juice, mixed with ice, slice of lime and sparkling water... feels absolutely wonderful on my bloated, sick feeling tummy. Bleugh. Still, have to smile every time I rest my head on a cupboard door - so glad to have these symptons!

Hello!

Skidoodle - I didnt fall asleep today (first time I didnt)- but I am making myself lie down otherwise DS will wake up and yes there will be fresh soup...but there will also be a grouchy mummy. . The lying down definitely helps!

MrsBadger - we were on the due sept 07 thread together! Congrats and welcome!

Vivcliquot - have a fab time in spain!

Starshaker - congrats!!!! You will have the patience of a saint if you wait that long! How are you feeling about it?

Somewhat - LOL at your midwife. She would've totally freaked me out! I hadnt even gotten my head round the whole baby concept at this stage with DS! Oh and your symptoms are identical to my 1st trimester with DS. Not a smidge of nausea or morning sickness, but overnight I turned into a page 3 girl.

Anniemac - hope your week doesnt turn out to be too stressful.

Londonlottie - try preggie pops too! They are really helping me.

So question - how many people have told people about the pregnancy?
I was at the GP today, in the waiting room with DS and another lady started chatting to me. Asked me if I was there for a pregnancy test. (Am wearing one of my normal tight fitting tops as no need to hide tummy on a day off). Guess it looks fairly obvious then. And am only 7 weeks. Work people are so going to guess (if they havent already)

Last post now, promise, but Treats - thanks for the congrats!! 22 weeks eh, where does the time go??!

I went out for lunch with a friend who's two weeks further along than me last week. She gets terrible MS and as I sat there merrily tucking into my food and recounting how lucky I felt not to have been affected badly by morning sickness, her eyes narrowed and there was a distinct look of "YOU JUST WAIT" about her.

Lo and behold here I am, 8+2, and I'm sick as a dog. Haven't actually vomited yet, but the nausea is appalling. I have had to eat constantly. Made it for a swim this morning but could only manage about 4 lengths before having to stop and calm myself, thinking I might vom in the pool. Not a good look

Whoever it was who recommended the travel bands, I'm buying some tomorrow. Bleeeuuggh.

Re. bras... mine are starting to free themselves from their confines too. I was thinking Bravissimo - any other recommendations for a 34FF girl??!

starshaker - congrats to you too... more twins would be fab!! I know I wouldn't be able to wait to find out.... hope you can book yourself in for a private scan so you get some answers before then. Well worth it I'd say.

somewhathorrified - laughing at your midwife. Assume it's your first, like me. Frankly, despite this being an IVF pregnancy (ie. has involved quite a lot of bloody effort to get this far) I'm in a state of almost permanent shock and still questioning whether this is what I really want after all. Face looks somewhat like Munch's "The Scream". My midwife appointment was what you might call 'cursory'. She filled in a form, wrote a phone number on a scrap piece of paper, and took my blood pressure. I've since received all sorts of bumfph from Kings - Midwife Booking In appointment 18th June; nuchal scan 11th July (none of which can be rescheduled apparently). Don't worry about asking questions. My tactic is that the right questions should pop out at the right moment - although quite how I'm going to get from this state of immature ignorance to being qualified to look after a Brand New Baby (or two) is beyond me.....

starshaker congratulations

You have to wait until the 27th of July to find out for sure That's inhuman. How can they possibly expect you to wait so long?

PMSL @ sleepingalot hiding her giant buttons from DH Also the fact that it's the giant ones you love and the regular ones just wouldn't do.

somewhathorrified I can't recommend going to a good bra shop and getting measured properly for a bra (to get you through at least some of your pregnancy.) highly enough. Of course I say that, but I'm still wearing my nursing bras and have no idea where I'll find the time. But I've always found "do what I say, not what I do" a good maxim to live by

Singalongamumum don't get me wrong, my midwife is really nice. I've just been a tad suprised at the forward planning and information. She's said nothing about what I should or shouldn't be doing at this stage, which is a godsend 'cause I loathe being told what to do, only info about events 7 months from now . Oh well at least I won't be suprised when the messy bit happens.

Oh and btw, not to rub it in but no MS here. My boobs are making a concerted effort to escape the confines of every bra I own, and abdominal pain now and again. I'm thinking I've gotten off lightly.

VivClicquot hope you have a lovely holiday...

timmette am feeling the same...bloated... but not sure if it is a new found love of giant chocolate buttons that's making my tummy start to look and feel bloated. In fact I'm quite obsessed about them... DH has been working away all week and has a real sweet tooth & I'm thinking about where I can hide them from him...

starshaker that's exciting news - congats

sorry "swing" coat, not "wing" coat.

Woohoo Mrs Badger - we sure will be! So nice to see you again...My GP has just told me my EDD is 29 January so not too far apart.

I already have my eye on a non-maternity vintage leopard print wing coat on ebay actually. I will also need a work coat of course (leopard won't cut it). Again, I think will go for swing, trapeze style I to avoid the need for maternity if I can get away with it. Quite looking forward to maternity dressing if this pregnancy moves on as I really was convinced I would never get another chance at pregnancy.

Thanks for the nice wishes Treat, glad to hear your pregnancy is progressing well.

I have decided not to push for an early scan. going to wait for 12 weeks if I can. Feel sick, tired and slightly braindead all of which I hope are good signs - have horrific week ahead workwise and a lot of stress and travel which I am not looking forward to. Definitely harder to cope with than it would be normally for me but I shall persevere. Hope everyone is well.

OMG somewhat- your midwife is keen! She came round your house and told you how to lay out your baby in a cot? I can't believe that; is yours the only baby in your county being born in the next year?!? Blimey. My midwife gave me a cursory glance, filled in 25 million forms, took blood and said she'll see me at the birth, pretty much! I think you're attitude is a good one, you may have questions about your birth choices nearer the time but for now, sit back and enjoy the nausea and enlarged boobs!

So the midwife came by today; she always asks if I have any questions...er, I don't know if I haven't got to grips with this pregnancy lark, but I was under the impression it kinda went like this: night of fun (or afternoon as it was), followed by ever enlarging boobs and tum, then the ejection stage. It all happens automatically and doesn't really require my involvement all that much (except with the pushing bit). Am I missing some vital stage that requires questions that everyone else asks? I keep expecting her to laugh at me and say "yes, but you never asked about that!"

Can I also just whinge for a sec...why oh why do they think I need to know how to lay a baby in a cot at 8-9weeks preggers...talk about jumping the gun!

Sorry about this guys, I'm just feeling a tad out of my depth with the whole thing.

Can I quickly gatecrash with a message for lottie from a former temping buddy? So, so, so thrilled to hear your news. I knew you'd get there in the end! And twins! Really? Praying that everything goes well for you.

I'm currently 22 weeks and all going well. Don't know the sex of the baby but it's certainly making itself felt!

anniemac - you don't know me but I saw you often on the Conception boards, so am really pleased to see you here. Sending my best wishes to you too.

<<Scuttles back to the due October thread>>

Wow starshaker big news . Congratulations

well i had my scan today and.............. they think twins. Thats all i need lol there is 2 blobs in 1 sack but the cant confirm it till july (im sure they could but they wont) so need to wait till july 27th to know for sure

hello hello

due 31st Jan but will only be a periodic poster due to not being able to MN at work, home laptop breaking down, DH working away and a 22m dd...

anniemac, I want your top tips on bargainous (ie not IO) maternity coats - by Christmas we will be the most stylish eggs-on-legs around

Have fun Vivcliquot am .
Hi everyone hope we're all feeling very pregnant and I have a confession I am sitting here in maternity trousers - they are under the bump ones and are fitting like normal trouser just more comfy - there is no bump but I am getting very bloated every day and feel like a bit of a fraud wearing them - but at least I am confy . Oh the shame and am only 9 weeks someone make me feel better.

Hi everyone,

A fleeting hello from me - it's my last day in the office before my week in Spain, so am frantically trying to get everything done.

We plan to tell my parents, sister and BIL about the pregnancy while we're on holiday as they will be there with us - it's my dad's birthday on Tuesday so fingers crossed I can keep schtum until then and announce the news as a bit of a birthday surprise.

(Tenner says I buckle on Saturday evening, when my mum asks me if I want to share a bottle of wine with her.... )

Hope you all have wonderful weeks - and good luck to those of you with scans next week.

dal I'm not working today either, it's my day with DD. I have totally got out of the habit of napping though, so now she's awake again and I'm yawning my head off

Fififorget my symptoms are totally different second time around too. I'm not sure whether to be worried or not so I'm just trying to enjoy having this early stage without spending every waking moment feeling like death warmed up.

bluespix great news about your heartbeat

Hi everyone else <waves>

DD is saying her new word "pickapock" that she learnt from me this morning as for some reason I was singing Pick a Pocket or Two

She's learnt some important life lessons today

"Why should we break our backs, foolishly paying tax"

and

"When I see someone rich, both my thumbs start to twitch"

So tax evasion and stealing , we've covered a lot in one morning.

Hello all.

Marmite - am at your experience at work. And am so so sorry. Your colleagues are nothing but insenstive oafs (and that is putting it extremely lightly). You know, when I come across people like that, I always wonder what makes them think that such behaviour is humane. Forget work politics/ office banter - where is their actual genuine compassion and humanity? I can't tar all city folk with the same brush (as I actually know some lovely people who work there), but I would say that a good 70% of them have some sort of chip inserted that bypasses their basic decency. Bastards. Non polite term.
Am also sorry to hear about your GP.

Bluespix am so very happy for you! Well done little bean! Yay!

Fififorget - please dont worry that your symptoms are different this time round. Mine are too! And fingers crossed, my little bean is still busy growing!

How fab that so many of you are so close together! I see a meet up happening!
I am in Surrey - right next to Cheam (without getting too specific). Anyone else down here?

Beanieb - On the off chance that you are still popping back, am thinking about you. <Hugs>

Right - DS sounds as though he has settled for his nap, my bed is calling me. Heaven! Love the days I dont work!

Really pleased for you bluespix77...Friday came around at last!

It does feel like a waiting game and as though your wishing your life away... I have a scan at 9 wks next Thur and wishing time would go faster.

Morning all, am so excited its Friday! I'm totally knackered and can't wait for a long lie in tomorrow!

We went for our second scan today - there was a tiny little bean with a tiny little heart beat, which was such a relief. We still have a good 5 weeks to go to the 12 week mark, but I feel a lot calmer about the whole thing now. The Doc explained that about half of pregnant women experience some sort of bleeding wk 1 - 14 and whilst it is common, its not considered normal, so it should always be checked out.

Hope you all have lovely weekends

hey ladies,

so many south of the river! I'm in Blackheath (SE3) so not too far away..

Marmite, I know easier said than done, but you need to find a way to let it all wash over you. I had a horrid day on Wednesday, but kept trying to focus on that I've just got until Christmas of having to smile and say 'not a problem, leave it with me' when I want to stab them in the eye with a pencil. Then I get a whole year of this being someone else's problem and everyone realising I'm actually quite good at this...

thank you though! I shouldn't be put off trying again!

Yep did that all last time too I'm afraid!

no joy!

Albany also recommended that I try Oakwood (020 8299 5696) and Brierly (020 7346 6163), and to not be embarrassed to put myself on all their waiting lists. Brierly only do home births but Oakwood operate in exactly the same way as Albany but are based in Forest Hill. I put myself on their list too and they were really helpful and lovely on the phone. HTH xx

Interesting! I might try to get on their list but having been through this before with DD know that there is not much point! (got nowhere last time and so didn;t have a midwife at birth)

I don't think it works like that - you only automatically get on their list if you are referred by a certain GP's surgery (which I'm not registered with). Other than that you go on the waiting list, and after 24 weeks if they aren't 'full up' with referrals from the GP, they accept other women. I was told there were no guarantees when I called them because it all depended on midwives holidays and who else came forward for those dates; although the midwife I saw at my GP said that with it being a twin pregnancy I will probably be regarded as a priority. It might all be academic anyhoo as we may be moving to Zurich, where I'll have to contend with efficient but possibly humourless Swiss medics!

You probably live close enough to get on the list.

Thats odd. When I was pg with DD their lists were closed very early. Maybe they are bigger now?

Oooh very close by annie I phoned up Albany a few weeks ago and rather embarrassingly was the only person who'd phoned up so far to have a birth in 2010... so at least I'm top of the waiting list! The midwife at DMC said that because it's twins I'll probably be seen as priority with them, although I'm not sure how keen I am at the moment of a natural birth. In fact I'm terrified!

How bizarre!!

I used to live on Chadwick Road. A bit further afield now (SE4) but still spend a lot of time in that area.

Albany midwives are great if you can get in with them (very difficult big waiting lists!) but they have a great antenatal class at Peckham Pulse which eventually turns into a postnatal class.

Yes, I've never been brave enough to venture into JJMB but now I'm a paid-up member of the pg club maybe I'll be allowed in. Green & Blue do good coffee although have to admit that was never my real tipple of choice once I'd looked over the wine list...... ahhh, those old days of yore....

I must get me off to bed but... I don't know if it's relevant or if you're in the catchment area but if you in any way want to change docs, we have a FANTASTIC one on Chadwick Road. He's adorable and has been very supportive through this whole process, getting us as many free tests as possible and most definitely squidging the system to help us through.

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It's all right - I described them as a bunch of tits so I'll take the rap...

I know you moved here in horrible circumstances and probably have bad associations with the area for that reason, but I do love living here. We have a house on L Gr (just off CG) which we rent out and due to our ridiculously complicated relationship history have been living in my eeny weeny flat on CG for the past year. Now possibly moving to Zurich though!! I'm campaigning with DH to get him to try to get a job in London again because frankly it's going to be much much easier to stay over here. Have you contacted Albany Midwives yet?? I've put myself on their waiting list and hoping I'll get onto their books if we stay here - they have such a great reputation.

Anyway - we should meet for a coffee sometime! Decaf natch....

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Ooh, now you have me intrigued. You don't live on CG do you??? Then we really would be ridiculously close neighbours!

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marmitem - bloody hell, your day takes the biscuit. I can't believe you had to endure that today... what kind of environment do you work in? - They sound like a bunch of total tits! Have people been told what you've been through? I cannot believe that insensitivity is in any way allowed. Disgusting.

So sorry to hear your GP was so negative too. Come on - prove her wrong! One thing you really need to try to do sweetie is to NOT be stressed at work if there is any high risk during this pg. Easier said than done I know but the pg is the most important thing at the end of the day. Whereabouts are you? I live VERY close to Kings (about a 5 min walk from Denmark Hill station) and am often to be seen dodging the Bugaboos on Lordship Lane...

I'm actually having a bit of a 'career break', having worked in tv production for far too long. Got to the stage in my mid-30s where I realised that actually, I f*cking hate my job! As I'm freelance the work has slowly drifted away in the past few months and I have found myself psychologically incapable of chasing new contracts - mental block which I blather on about endlessly but am not quite sure what I want to do instead. Looks like 'changing nappies and having sleep-deprived tantrums' might be the order of the day for the foreseeable future, but still....

Marmitemonster - what a hideous couple of days, and I thought I had a rough time when I went back to work! Listening to you makes me think it was a piece of cake and I really shouldn't moan!

Sometimes I think that GP's need a crash course in how to deal with pregnant women, you would think that she would have been a bit more sensitive with you. Vent away, we'll be with you all the way!

Lottie - sorry you've been feeling rough. I always found ginger biscuits by the bed helped, one as soon as I woke up and another soon after seemed to make me feel better, enough to get up and get going anyway.

As for me, I seem to have no symptoms other than being shattered. I am now beginning to panic because this stage with DD I was really suffering. I'm going for an early scan next Friday - it can't come soon enough. I'm going to see the GP tomorrow, so I'm bracing myself for the "you really should have lost weight before having another baby" speech

marmitemonster sounds like you need chocolate and a duvet day.

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Thanks for the tip about those bands, totalmisfit - I've been completely laid up today with MS... horrible. Haven't moved all day and feeling utterly green. Will try to get some tomorrow.

marmitem - bleugh, sorry to hear about the shitty couple of days. If you're feeling anything like me, I'm on a hormonal knife's-edge and it doesn't take much to tip me over!

Thought I'd update my location... anyone else in south London? I'm SE22/SE5.

? londonlottie - early cos it's twins! (1st baby) - London SE5/SE22
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Am keeping my bleary eyes open for BB launch. shame on me I know. Every year I get addicted!

Marmite - am so sorry. cannot believe it was that bad. do you want to spill? Or not?

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Beanie what can I say but that my heart goes out to you, I know exactly how you are feeling xx

somewhathorrfied I did do hypnobirthing and it was fantastic - I really recommend it. We didn't have the home water birth that we planned and in fact things worked out the exact opposite but we used all the hypnobirthing techniques to stay calm and chilled out and I was pretty much pain free. I plan to use it again if everything progresses.

so sorry to hear your news beanieb

oh, and i forgot to say, anyone who's really suffering from morning sickness should try out the 'sea bands' you can buy in Boots; they look a bit like 80's sweat bands and are designed for motion sickness but i bought some today and i've gone from feeling sick constantly this morning (and most of the past 3 weeks) to feeling actually ok. And i've just had my dinner too, which is the real test. After most meals i'm ready to hurl, but so far so good.

beanieb - i'm so sorry for you, i know, like you say, shit happens but it still must be so rough for you at the moment. take care of yourself xx

pepa- my midwife also started pushing the homebirth idea when i saw her on tuesday. apparently i'm an ideal candidate and i was pretty up for it anyway. Can't believe they don't promote it more in Canada - such a vast country, you would have thought it would be the norm...

...which leads me on nicely to my location: Norfolk (which is really such a vast, spread-out county in English terms and only really has one proper hospital, albeit a flagship one) another reason why i'm hoping for a homebirth.
1 singalongamumum (DS 18mth)
1 pepa (DS 3.5, DD 18mth) Toronto, Canada
1 Alibobins (DS5 DD9)
1 liny
1 ClaireDB (1st baby)
2 Lisylou1980
3 salvadory (1st Baby)
4 kittykat765 (DS 19mth) Bristol
5 gizzy1973 (1st baby)
5 Dizzyclarebear (1st baby) - SE london
5 timmette (DS 3)
6 oomska (DD 13mo)
7 Zen1980 (1st baby?)
7 marmitemonster (2nd DC)
8 STA1mum (DS15mth)
10 lizzylu (DS 14mths)
10 lilacpink (DD 3)
10 AmyLou32
10 Somewhathorrified
11 Katiei (DS)
11 anastaisia (dd b2005)
12 TheKurgan (1st baby)
12 roastbeef
13 skidoodle (DD 13mo)
13 londonlottie
13 LessThenIdeal
13 Sleepingalot, Sheffield
15 lynchy09 (DS14mth)
15 Sersi (DS1 6, DS2 4) HERTS
15 Worriedunfortunately (DD 4y)
15 Starshaker (DD 4)
16 DesertFairy (DD3)
16 ampster (DS 11mo)
16 beanieb, Cardiff
16 bluespix, Oxford
16 ILoveDolly
17 slightlybonkers (DS 3yo)
17 MrsStripey (DS15mo)
18 alfiesmadmother (DS1 7,DS2 5 and DS3 3)
18 dal21 (DS 20 mths)
20 CoffeeAndCarrotCake (DD 21mo)
20 Rainbowdays (DS1 5, DD 4, DS2 13months)
20 sooooexcited (DS 2)
20 showmethemummy (2 DCs)
23 AutumnAir (1st baby)
24 Blocka (DD 32mo), North East
24 totalmisfit (DD 3.3), Norfolk
24 Laura233
24 FlightofFancy
24 coffeeicecream (DS 9mo), NW London
25 Noodlesforbreakfast
26 Biccy
27 sazlocks (DC 16mo)
28 JamieJay
29 VivClicqot (1st baby) - Manchester
29 helenabeth (DS1 4.5, DS2 20mths)
30 nervoussara, Brighton
30 (or thereabouts!) anniemac (DD 4)
31 laurawantsababy (DD 11mo)
31 IrrationalMother (DS 18mo)
[?] Miss Chatterbox (DD1 4 DD2 2)
[?] Beanz2 (DS 13mo)
[?] Fififorgot, South

Oh beanieb, I am so sorry to hear your news. I hope you are ok.

oh beanieb i'm so sorry. you were my due date twin. trying not to do a cry, i know how awful it is to see no heartbeat on a scan. i really hope you do ok. have been through same twice so if you want to chat pm me.

my location:

1 singalongamumum (DS 18mth)
1 pepa (DS 3.5, DD 18mth) Toronto, Canada
1 Alibobins (DS5 DD9)
1 liny
1 ClaireDB (1st baby)
2 Lisylou1980
3 salvadory (1st Baby)
4 kittykat765 (DS 19mth) Bristol
5 gizzy1973 (1st baby)
5 Dizzyclarebear (1st baby) - SE london
5 timmette (DS 3)
6 oomska (DD 13mo)
7 Zen1980 (1st baby?)
7 marmitemonster (2nd DC)
8 STA1mum (DS15mth)
10 lizzylu (DS 14mths)
10 lilacpink (DD 3)
10 AmyLou32
10 Somewhathorrified
11 Katiei (DS)
11 anastaisia (dd b2005)
12 TheKurgan (1st baby)
12 roastbeef
13 skidoodle (DD 13mo)
13 londonlottie
13 LessThenIdeal
13 Sleepingalot, Sheffield
15 lynchy09 (DS14mth)
15 Sersi (DS1 6, DS2 4) HERTS
15 Worriedunfortunately (DD 4y)
15 Starshaker (DD 4)
16 DesertFairy (DD3)
16 ampster (DS 11mo)
16 beanieb, Cardiff
16 bluespix, Oxford
16 ILoveDolly
17 slightlybonkers (DS 3yo)
17 MrsStripey (DS15mo)
18 alfiesmadmother (DS1 7,DS2 5 and DS3 3)
18 dal21 (DS 20 mths)
20 CoffeeAndCarrotCake (DD 21mo)
20 Rainbowdays (DS1 5, DD 4, DS2 13months)
20 sooooexcited (DS 2)
20 showmethemummy (2 DCs)
23 AutumnAir (1st baby)
24 Blocka (DD 32mo), North East
24 totalmisfit (DD 3.2)
24 Laura233
24 FlightofFancy
24 coffeeicecream (DS 9mo), NW London
25 Noodlesforbreakfast
26 Biccy
27 sazlocks (DC 16mo)
28 JamieJay
29 VivClicqot (1st baby) - Manchester
29 helenabeth (DS1 4.5, DS2 20mths)
30 nervoussara, Brighton
30 (or thereabouts!) anniemac (DD 4)
31 laurawantsababy (DD 11mo)
31 IrrationalMother (DS 18mo)
[?] Miss Chatterbox (DD1 4 DD2 2)
[?] Beanz2 (DS 13mo)
[?] Fififorgot, South

Oh Beanieb - <<hugs>> to you. Am so very sorry, please look after yourself and if you want to, please pop back on here. xx

thanks pepa for the info. we are definitely going to look into this seriously. I only used gas & air for my previous 2 births and it was all very straight forward. Most negative thing was DH having to go home and me left on my own (with new baby of course) - from that point being at home certainly sounds wonderful.

I live a long way from family so would be tricky to take the children anywhere else, although my mum would probably be with us to look after them they would need to stay in the house.

well done misschatterbox I am very impressed. I was leaving housework for the 2nd trimester!!

Oh, Beanie, so sorry about your news. I'll be thinking of you.

A round of applause please ladies. After two days of feeling sick and lazy before going to work. This morning, although feeling sick I managed to actually do some housework, bake cakes with my dd and mow the front lawn, all before going to work at lunch time. I know it's not much, but feels like a huge accomplishment at the moment.

pepa thanks for the info, call me dense but I hadn't even thought about books!

dogrilla welcome, and although my Dr. was great (turned out to be a Hindu dude, who was very chilled and in his words "just be happy") I too have no idea what the hell is going on. I went to my first Midwife appt thinking she was going to tell me what to expect, but she was more concerned with getting me to make a decision about where I was going to give birth! Er...it's like 7 months away! I never plan what's happening next week, 7 months is...well...it's next year! Fair do's she did make me feel a little concerned when I pointed out that I don't do 'girlie' and the whole female thing freaks me out, she replied "are you sure you want a baby?".

thanks all, have had a big cry and trying to get my head straight. Honestly don't want to bring this thread down in any way. Shit happens and I'll be ok. Not thinking of this as the loss of a baby but more a missed opportunity. Am sure there eill be another time.

I wish you all a really happy and healthy pregnancy xxx

beanieb just want to add sympathies, hang in there and hope to see you on the AN threads soon.

Oh beanieb I'm so, so sorry to hear your news

I think I can safely say that you'll be very much missed on this thread.

I hope another ante-natal thread will get you soon, once you've had a chance to recover and get your head back together.

Sersi I can't speak for how your son will react, however for my second child's birth my son was picked up by my in-laws and stayed with them for the day (picked up about 9am when labour was fully established and came home about 5pm, DD was born at 3.30pm) Just seemed easier than my DH having to think about him when I wanted him with me.

My DH was concerned when we first discussed HB but we did lots of research together and our midwives office held a homebirth evening where a couple who had recently given birth at home came in to talk to us about it and we could ask questions, that was really helpful. There was a really good book that was aimed more towards Dads and a natural birth (but not exclusively so)that we found fantastic called "the Birth Partner"
www.amazon.co.uk/Birth-Partner-Complete-Childbirth-Companions/dp/1558323570/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=boo ks&qid=1244121444&sr=8-1
It gives lots of good empowering info without being too "lentil weavery"

Second time round it really was a no brainer to have a homebirth.

Wrt emergency situations remember there are lots of reasons why your midwife may say a homebirth is a no go, there will only want you to go ahead if you are low risk and all the stats show that if you are low risk homebirths are safer and have better medical outcomes than hospital births. Talk to your midwife and get all the info from her, they are usually very eager to talk about it.

Last thing (sorry I know this is long ) I never in a million years would have thought I would have had a homebirth, I've never had a problem with hospitals and I have a very low pain threshold. In fact at my booking in appointment with my midwife for my first preg I told them I wanted a hospital birth. But then when I started to look into the pain relief techniques I realised many options had side effects and the best way was to go natural and if I was doing that the best place to be for a positive outcome was at home......

Very last thing I'm actually in Toronto Canada, and we are WAY behind the UK wrt homebirths, its considered a very "extreme" option over here, you can't even have any pain relief at home here not even gas and air....so IMHO you are in one of the best places to have a homebirth!

Just adding my location

1 singalongamumum (DS 18mth)
1 pepa (DS 3.5, DD 18mth) Toronto, Canada
1 Alibobins (DS5 DD9)
1 liny
1 ClaireDB (1st baby)
2 Lisylou1980
3 salvadory (1st Baby)
4 kittykat765 (DS 19mth) Bristol
5 gizzy1973 (1st baby)
5 Dizzyclarebear (1st baby) - SE london
5 timmette (DS 3)
6 oomska (DD 13mo)
7 Zen1980 (1st baby?)
7 marmitemonster (2nd DC)
8 STA1mum (DS15mth)
10 lizzylu (DS 14mths)
10 lilacpink (DD 3)
10 AmyLou32
10 Somewhathorrified
11 Katiei (DS)
11 anastaisia (dd b2005)
12 TheKurgan (1st baby)
12 roastbeef
13 skidoodle (DD 13mo)
13 londonlottie
13 LessThenIdeal
13 Sleepingalot, Sheffield
15 lynchy09 (DS14mth)
15 Sersi (DS1 6, DS2 4)
15 Worriedunfortunately (DD 4y)
15 Starshaker (DD 4)
16 DesertFairy (DD3)
16 ampster (DS 11mo)
16 beanieb, Cardiff
16 bluespix, Oxford
16 ILoveDolly
17 slightlybonkers (DS 3yo)
17 MrsStripey (DS15mo)
18 alfiesmadmother (DS1 7,DS2 5 and DS3 3)
18 dal21 (DS 20 mths)
20 CoffeeAndCarrotCake (DD 21mo)
20 Rainbowdays (DS1 5, DD 4, DS2 13months)
20 sooooexcited (DS 2)
20 showmethemummy (2 DCs)
23 AutumnAir (1st baby)
24 Blocka (DD 32mo), North East
24 totalmisfit (DD 3.2)
24 Laura233
24 FlightofFancy
24 coffeeicecream (DS 9mo), NW London
25 Noodlesforbreakfast
26 Biccy
27 sazlocks (DC 16mo)
28 JamieJay
29 VivClicqot (1st baby) - Manchester
29 helenabeth (DS1 4.5, DS2 20mths)
30 nervoussara, Brighton
30 (or thereabouts!) anniemac (DD 4)
31 laurawantsababy (DD 11mo)
31 IrrationalMother (DS 18mo)
[?] Miss Chatterbox (DD1 4 DD2 2)
[?] Beanz2 (DS 13mo)
[?] Fififorgot, South

Oh beanieb am so sorry hun. Hope to see you back and happily pg as soon as you feel ready.

My dr is completely barking. Went to see her today to get a sick note for work. They had no appointments monday so spoke to the practice nurse. They had no appointments tuesday and said earliest available appointment today. Off I go to my appointment only to be told my sick note cannot be backdated because they have not seen me.

Then had my ante-natal appointment to collect my notes and midwife was very about the dr as well. Looks like I am going to have another high risk pregnancy as my blood pressure was 144 over 94. I just hope it doesn't develop into pre-eclampsia again. I am going to be having appointments at either the hospital or with the midwife about every fortnight apparently. At least that will give me plenty of time off work.

*so sorry Beanieb*. Take care.xx

Beanie,
How horrid for you am thinking of you and sending lots of hugs take care keep in touch.

Hello there

Can I please join in the fun? Due on 28 January and live in SW2, London. Went to see the doctor for the first time yesterday but she couldn't get me out of the surgery fast enough! Feel totally in the dark about what's supposed to happen next.

Beanie, really am very sorry to hear your news. I hope the next few weeks are ok for you.

<<<<gatecrash>>>>>>
Beanie Absolutely gutted for you, after all this time waiting for this to happen, you must be so devestated sending you a very non mn hug

beanieb - So sorry to hear that. I hope you are ok, fingers crossed that you are on another ante natal thread very soon.

beanie - so so sorry to hear your news. Hope to see you on the AN boards again soon - please take care xx

Beanieb so sorry about that, next time.

crazyclarebear if you are wanting to actually have moved by September try looking into auctions. You have to complete in a month and neither party can pull out once the gabble hits so it makes purchasing really quick.

sazlocks hypnobirthing? did you actually do this? if not has anyone else? it sounds amazing! need to look into it. It could be an improvement on my hubby's suggestion of listening to loud music, not entirely sure how the midwife would feel about slipknot at full volume.

Oh no BeanieB I am sorry that happened in my last pregnancy - if you do want to talk or I can help in anyway let me know.

beanieb so sorry to hear. Take care x

beanieb I am so so sorry. Thinking of you.

beanieb so sorry to hear your news. Please look after yourself. xxx

so sorry beanieb - look after yourself.

Oh beanieb, I'm so sorry to hear that. Really hope you're bearing up okay and that things will work out for you soon. x

Morning ladies

Just updating the list with my info - I live in Manchester, and have moved myself down the list to 29th Jan after my scan on Tuesday.

Still have no symptoms whatsoever and have to keep reminding myself I'm pregnant - especially after eating a tonne of mayonnaise at Gourmet Burger Kitchen on Tuesday night.

Girls Aloud were fab last night. I kept looking at all the mums who had taken their little girls thinking that will hopefully be me soon....

1 singalongamumum (DS 18mth)
1 pepa (DS 3.5, DD 18mth)
1 Alibobins (DS5 DD9)
1 liny
1 ClaireDB (1st baby)
2 Lisylou1980
3 salvadory (1st Baby)
4 kittykat765 (DS 19mth) Bristol
5 gizzy1973 (1st baby)
5 Dizzyclarebear (1st baby) - SE london
5 timmette (DS 3)
6 oomska (DD 13mo)
7 Zen1980 (1st baby?)
7 marmitemonster (2nd DC)
8 STA1mum (DS15mth)
10 lizzylu (DS 14mths)
10 lilacpink (DD 3)
10 AmyLou32
10 Somewhathorrified
11 Katiei (DS)
11 anastaisia (dd b2005)
12 TheKurgan (1st baby)
12 roastbeef
13 skidoodle (DD 13mo)
13 londonlottie
13 LessThenIdeal
13 Sleepingalot, Sheffield
15 lynchy09 (DS14mth)
15 Sersi (DS1 6, DS2 4)
15 Worriedunfortunately (DD 4y)
15 Starshaker (DD 4)
16 DesertFairy (DD3)
16 ampster (DS 11mo)
16 beanieb, Cardiff
16 bluespix, Oxford
16 ILoveDolly
17 slightlybonkers (DS 3yo)
17 MrsStripey (DS15mo)
18 alfiesmadmother (DS1 7,DS2 5 and DS3 3)
18 dal21 (DS 20 mths)
20 CoffeeAndCarrotCake (DD 21mo)
20 Rainbowdays (DS1 5, DD 4, DS2 13months)
20 sooooexcited (DS 2)
20 showmethemummy (2 DCs)
23 AutumnAir (1st baby)
24 Blocka (DD 32mo), North East
24 totalmisfit (DD 3.2)
24 Laura233
24 FlightofFancy
24 coffeeicecream (DS 9mo), NW London
25 Noodlesforbreakfast
26 Biccy
27 sazlocks (DC 16mo)
28 JamieJay
29 VivClicqot (1st baby) - Manchester
29 helenabeth (DS1 4.5, DS2 20mths)
30 nervoussara, Brighton
30 (or thereabouts!) anniemac (DD 4)
31 laurawantsababy (DD 11mo)
31 IrrationalMother (DS 18mo)
[?] Miss Chatterbox (DD1 4 DD2 2)
[?] Beanz2 (DS 13mo)
[?] Fififorgot, South

Hi all.

Am unfortunately going to have to leave you all as my scan showed no heartbeat and they expect me to miscarry in the next few days.

never rains but it pours eh!

Thank you all for your support and words of encourgement over the last few weeks. Hopefully I will be back in the Ante-natal clubs topic again, just a different month.

Sorry to bring bad news.

xxxxx

Hi everyone. Just updating the list with my info.

1 singalongamumum (DS 18mth)
1 pepa (DS 3.5, DD 18mth)
1 Alibobins (DS5 DD9)
1 liny
1 ClaireDB (1st baby)
2 Lisylou1980
3 salvadory (1st Baby)
4 kittykat765 (DS 19mth) Bristol
5 gizzy1973 (1st baby)
5 Dizzyclarebear (1st baby) - SE london
5 timmette (DS 3)
6 oomska (DD 13mo)
7 Zen1980 (1st baby?)
7 marmitemonster (2nd DC)
8 STA1mum (DS15mth)
10 lizzylu (DS 14mths)
10 lilacpink (DD 3)
10 AmyLou32
10 Somewhathorrified
11 Katiei (DS)
11 anastaisia (dd b2005)
12 TheKurgan (1st baby)
12 roastbeef
13 skidoodle (DD 13mo)
13 londonlottie
13 LessThenIdeal
13 Sleepingalot, Sheffield
15 lynchy09 (DS14mth)
15 Sersi (DS1 6, DS2 4)
15 Worriedunfortunately (DD 4y)
15 Starshaker (DD 4)
16 DesertFairy (DD3)
16 ampster (DS 11mo)
16 beanieb, Cardiff
16 bluespix, Oxford
16 ILoveDolly
17 slightlybonkers (DS 3yo)
17 MrsStripey (DS15mo)
18 alfiesmadmother (DS1 7,DS2 5 and DS3 3)
18 dal21 (DS 20 mths)
19 VivClicquot
20 CoffeeAndCarrotCake (DD 21mo)
20 Rainbowdays (DS1 5, DD 4, DS2 13months)
20 sooooexcited (DS 2)
20 showmethemummy (2 DCs)
23 AutumnAir (1st baby)
24 Blocka (DD 32mo), North East
24 totalmisfit (DD 3.2)
24 Laura233
24 FlightofFancy
24 coffeeicecream (DS 9mo), NW London
25 Noodlesforbreakfast
26 Biccy
27 sazlocks (DC 16mo)
28 JamieJay
29 helenabeth (DS1 4.5, DS2 20mths)
30 nervoussara, Brighton
30 (or thereabouts!) anniemac (DD 4)
31 laurawantsababy (DD 11mo)
31 IrrationalMother (DS 18mo)
[?] Miss Chatterbox (DD1 4 DD2 2)
[?] Beanz2 (DS 13mo)
[?] Fififorgot, South

Am feeling a bit miserable as am going on holiday next week down to north devon. It will be my only holiday this year and it is forecast to rain nearly all week.

On a lighter note though, I have realised that as of next week I will have completed 25% of my pg journey. Makes it seem like there isn't that long to go.

1 singalongamumum (DS 18mth)
1 pepa (DS 3.5, DD 18mth)
1 Alibobins (DS5 DD9)
1 liny
1 ClaireDB (1st baby)
2 Lisylou1980
3 salvadory (1st Baby)
4 kittykat765 (DS 17mth)
5 gizzy1973 (1st baby)
5 Dizzyclarebear (1st baby) - SE london
5 timmette (DS 3)
6 oomska (DD 13mo)
7 Zen1980 (1st baby?)
7 marmitemonster (2nd DC)
8 STA1mum (DS15mth)
10 lizzylu (DS 14mths)
10 lilacpink (DD 3)
10 AmyLou32
10 Somewhathorrified
11 Katiei (DS)
11 anastaisia (dd b2005)
12 TheKurgan (1st baby)
12 roastbeef
13 skidoodle (DD 13mo)
13 londonlottie
13 LessThenIdeal
13 Sleepingalot, Sheffield
15 lynchy09 (DS14mth)
15 Sersi (DS1 6, DS2 4)
15 Worriedunfortunately (DD 4y)
15 Starshaker (DD 4) Scotland (west coast)
16 DesertFairy (DD3)
16 ampster (DS 11mo)
16 beanieb, Cardiff
16 bluespix, Oxford
16 ILoveDolly
17 slightlybonkers (DS 3yo)
17 MrsStripey (DS15mo)
18 alfiesmadmother (DS1 7,DS2 5 and DS3 3)
18 dal21 (DS 20 mths)
19 VivClicquot
20 CoffeeAndCarrotCake (DD 21mo)
20 Rainbowdays (DS1 5, DD 4, DS2 13months)
20 sooooexcited (DS 2)
20 showmethemummy (2 DCs)
23 AutumnAir (1st baby)
24 Blocka (DD 32mo), North East
24 totalmisfit (DD 3.2)
24 Laura233
24 FlightofFancy
24 coffeeicecream (DS 9mo), NW London
25 Noodlesforbreakfast
26 Biccy
27 sazlocks (DC 16mo)
28 JamieJay
29 helenabeth (DS1 4.5, DS2 20mths)
30 nervoussara, Brighton
30 (or thereabouts!) anniemac (DD 4)
31 laurawantsababy (DD 11mo)
31 IrrationalMother (DS 18mo)
[?] Miss Chatterbox (DD1 4 DD2 2)
[?] Beanz2 (DS 13mo)
[?] Fififorgot, South

sorry to hear about the house Dizzyclarebear

hopefully another more perfect house will come along.

I am suffering from terrible moods and terrible wind. Bought some prunes today.

Quick update with mine!

1 singalongamumum (DS 18mth)
1 pepa (DS 3.5, DD 18mth)
1 Alibobins (DS5 DD9)
1 liny
1 ClaireDB (1st baby)
2 Lisylou1980
3 salvadory (1st Baby)
4 kittykat765 (DS 17mth)
5 gizzy1973 (1st baby)
5 Dizzyclarebear (1st baby) - SE london
5 timmette (DS 3)
6 oomska (DD 13mo)
7 Zen1980 (1st baby?)
7 marmitemonster (2nd DC)
8 STA1mum (DS15mth)
10 lizzylu (DS 14mths)
10 lilacpink (DD 3)
10 AmyLou32
10 Somewhathorrified
11 Katiei (DS)
11 anastaisia (dd b2005)
12 TheKurgan (1st baby)
12 roastbeef
13 skidoodle (DD 13mo)
13 londonlottie
13 LessThenIdeal
13 Sleepingalot, Sheffield
15 lynchy09 (DS14mth)
15 Sersi (DS1 6, DS2 4)
15 Worriedunfortunately (DD 4y)
15 Starshaker (DD 4)
16 DesertFairy (DD3)
16 ampster (DS 11mo)
16 beanieb, Cardiff
16 bluespix, Oxford
16 ILoveDolly
17 slightlybonkers (DS 3yo)
17 MrsStripey (DS15mo)
18 alfiesmadmother (DS1 7,DS2 5 and DS3 3)
18 dal21 (DS 20 mths)
19 VivClicquot
20 CoffeeAndCarrotCake (DD 21mo)
20 Rainbowdays (DS1 5, DD 4, DS2 13months)
20 sooooexcited (DS 2)
20 showmethemummy (2 DCs)
23 AutumnAir (1st baby)
24 Blocka (DD 32mo), North East
24 totalmisfit (DD 3.2)
24 Laura233
24 FlightofFancy
24 coffeeicecream (DS 9mo), NW London
25 Noodlesforbreakfast
26 Biccy
27 sazlocks (DC 16mo)
28 JamieJay
29 helenabeth (DS1 4.5, DS2 20mths)
30 nervoussara, Brighton
30 (or thereabouts!) anniemac (DD 4)
31 laurawantsababy (DD 11mo)
31 IrrationalMother (DS 18mo)
[?] Miss Chatterbox (DD1 4 DD2 2)
[?] Beanz2 (DS 13mo)
[?] Fififorgot, South

However location is a bit of a sore point today, we'd had an offer accepted on 'perfect for raising family in' house but just lost it today! Someone else who viewed ages ago just offered massively over anything we could afford to match. So annoyed at the owners, it just feels rude after we'd already started talking to solicitors etc. Back to square one house hunting which now has a timeframe it didn't have before! (Do not want to move post Sept - reasonable timeframe?)

Dealing with disappointment harder when I want to cry all the time anyway...

nervoussara and Lisylou1980 I'm so glad your scans went well.

I too have wondered where everyone is, I thought it might be good, to add our locations to the list:

1 singalongamumum (DS 18mth)
1 pepa (DS 3.5, DD 18mth)
1 Alibobins (DS5 DD9)
1 liny
1 ClaireDB (1st baby)
2 Lisylou1980
3 salvadory (1st Baby)
4 kittykat765 (DS 17mth)
5 gizzy1973 (1st baby)
5 Dizzyclarebear
5 timmette (DS 3)
6 oomska (DD 13mo)
7 Zen1980 (1st baby?)
7 marmitemonster (2nd DC)
8 STA1mum (DS15mth)
10 lizzylu (DS 14mths)
10 lilacpink (DD 3)
10 AmyLou32
10 Somewhathorrified
11 Katiei (DS)
11 anastaisia (dd b2005)
12 TheKurgan (1st baby)
12 roastbeef
13 skidoodle (DD 13mo)
13 londonlottie
13 LessThenIdeal
13 Sleepingalot, Sheffield
15 lynchy09 (DS14mth)
15 Sersi (DS1 6, DS2 4)
15 Worriedunfortunately (DD 4y)
15 Starshaker (DD 4)
16 DesertFairy (DD3)
16 ampster (DS 11mo)
16 beanieb, Cardiff
16 bluespix, Oxford
16 ILoveDolly
17 slightlybonkers (DS 3yo)
17 MrsStripey (DS15mo)
18 alfiesmadmother (DS1 7,DS2 5 and DS3 3)
18 dal21 (DS 20 mths)
19 VivClicquot
20 CoffeeAndCarrotCake (DD 21mo)
20 Rainbowdays (DS1 5, DD 4, DS2 13months)
20 sooooexcited (DS 2)
20 showmethemummy (2 DCs)
23 AutumnAir (1st baby)
24 Blocka (DD 32mo), North East
24 totalmisfit (DD 3.2)
24 Laura233
24 FlightofFancy
24 coffeeicecream (DS 9mo), NW London
25 Noodlesforbreakfast
26 Biccy
27 sazlocks (DC 16mo)
28 JamieJay
29 helenabeth (DS1 4.5, DS2 20mths)
30 nervoussara, Brighton
30 (or thereabouts!) anniemac (DD 4)
31 laurawantsababy (DD 11mo)
31 IrrationalMother (DS 18mo)
[?] Miss Chatterbox (DD1 4 DD2 2)
[?] Beanz2 (DS 13mo)
[?] Fififorgot, South

Hope some more of you will update the list.

Hi all
Well had scan on Tues and all is ok thank god. and i got to see my little bambino, its a whole 2 and half cms long. Cant wait to have my proper scan on the 15th. This time was a bit scarey on my own as my partner couldnt be with me but fingers crossed hes going to be there on the proper scan!!!!
So how is everyone. Is all the signs and symptoms ever gonna stop????

oh and great news about the scan nervoussara

I'm in Cardiff

Nervoussara - congratulations on your scan, its always so nice to hear the heartbeat.

I am also useless in the evenings, I keep shutting my eyes for 5 minutes and wake up 3 hours later - poor DH spends most evenings with me asleep on the sofa in my dinner!

I'm in the south too.

sleepingalot I am that dificult stage in that my clothes are too tight and maternity clothes are way too big - so for the summer at least I have bought some dresses that have growing room - non maternity and some stretchy t shirts.

Oooh - I hope I get a midwife who is pro home-births!

Well done on yr scan today nervosa - soooooooo reassuring that beating heart.
I am North west London.

Thanks timmette that's reassuring to hear.

I'm 8 wks tomorrow and beginning to feel the only thing I'm comfy in are pjs! Where would people recommend buying early maternity clothes?

Hi everyone - wow this sure is a full bus - hi everyone who has just joined.
And congrats on all the good scans Nervoussara I also feel worse in the evenings.
Sleepingalot I had lots of lower abdominal pains with ds and was told by the midwife it was the ligaments stretching to make room for the baby - so good pains .
Well I gave in and bought some maternity clothes today not because I have a bump but because my clothes are tight - I am swollen. I also bought some normal summer dressed with bump growing room - now if I can find a nice swimsuit I will be set for the summer.
I am so excited I can't believe I am heading towards 9 weeks.

So 2 ladies from the North! I'm from Brighton, any one else in the South?

nervoussara

so pleased everything went well with your scan today

I'm in Sheffield

Evening all, mind if I join you?

I am expecting No 2, officially on 4 February, but because of complications with my last delivery, I'll be having a planned c-section in the middle of January, around the 15 January I think.

I'm 6 weeks tomorrow and have been dithering about "coming out" because of the usual worries, but, we're going for an early scan next week (my lovely fertility consultant is scanning me even though we didn't actually have any treatment this time!), so I'll feel a lot better after that.

Its DD's 3rd birthday next week and we have 2 parties going on - great timing, I am so tired I can barely stand up in the afternoons and we are having to entertain family and friends for 48 hours! Needless to say, we were NOT expecting to get pregnant so quickly and without help - DH and I are still in shock a bit. I think the Grandparents are going to have to help out and run interference!

It still feels unreal to say "I'm pregnant". It took us so long last time (5 years) and this time it took barely a month and we hadn't even started on the drugs, there must be something in the "relax and it will happen" saying!

I'm in the North East - South Shields to be precise!

Hi guys,
had scan today and even though have some light bleeding and pains all is seeming fine. All in right place and there was a heart beat too! Was suprised as only 5+4.
Congrats to all who had their scans too.

I'm starting to feel really rotten in the evenings now. Not good. Poor DP is doing everything.

I just wondered where everyone is and how spread out we all are around the country?

pepa I guess I just have the 'what if something goes terribly wrong' worry - I guess I think that if there was a serious problem I would be safer in a hospital. I also worry a bit about my 2 boys - they're only 6 & 4 - how would they react to hearing me in labour (I'm not a big shouter and screamer but nonetheless!!). My eldest is autistic and very sensitive & I cannot begin to predict how he would react. Also, if DH is stressed and worried that wouldn't make for a very relaxed atmosphere so would have to passify his fears and worries to get him on side. I really can appreciate the relaxed and personal touch though (and my own bed afterwards!!) - did your DH have any worries? Is this something you knew you wanted to do or was recommended to you? thanks for the link.

anniemac I think its more that she is seriously concerned that its a reasonable risk that I won't get to the hosp in time. She said that if I arrived at hospital early (because I knew my labours were quick) but was not actually in labour - there is a chance the hospital could send me home if they are v busy.

Think I better go and look into the facts about home births.

think of the mess....eeeuuuwww! although there is a carpet that I hate - could "accidentally" make a big mess on that one!!

Good to hear scans have gone well.

On the subject of pains...I've been having some lower abdominal pains similar to period pains. Didn't realise there were so many pleasant symptoms... constipation, wind etc that all contribute to this... Everything I've read says this is normal .

bluespix77
Hope Fri comes around quickly for you. And your not feeling sick for too long!

Am not getting 'morning sickness' just sudden retching when I come across a strong unpleasant smells. I went shopping today and came home with only half the things on my list because there was a man shopping who had really bad BO and he came & stood next to me and I retched really loudly! He gave me a odd look and walked away. Consequently I had to avoid whatever aisle he was in...beans on toast for tea then.

Evening all - fab that the thread is so busy but hard to keep track of everyone properly
congrats and welcome to new BFPs
vivcliquot glad things went well for you today
nervoussara hope things went ok for you
marmite hope you got on ok at work and nobody guessed
Back in work today and realised that the cure for all day nausea is to keep eating (yay !). Although on the down side I was already heavier than I wanted to be when I got pregnant but needs must at the moment
somehwathorrified liking your name by the way ! I did a hypnobirthing course with my first and as part of that saw a number of home births on video as we were planning one. They looked amazing - mostly calm and peaceful.
Hoping to be able to stay awake long enough to watch the apprentice tonight ( am I sad or what !)

This might sound like an odd question, but on the subject of Home Births...did anyone feel a bit exposed what with the yelling and screaming side of things? I really want a home birth (phobic of hospitals) but am a bit paranoid about our thin walls. Any advice anyone?

Some midwives are very pro Homebirth its almost a political agenda with them. That might be the reason?

Or maybe she thinks because you have had such short labours in all likelihood you are liable to have a HB anyway that you might as well plan for it?

Hello everyone! <Waves>
Heaps of posts! Love that this thread is getting so busy!

Welcome to all the newcomers.

Marmite - am hoping that your first day back went well.

Vivcliquot - great news on the scan! am sure everything will be fine.

Was it nervoussara who also had one today? Am trying to remember.

Re. the EDD. My GP and obs took the date of OV that I gave them (I was temping) and have very long cycles - but the scan measurements put me 4 days back from where I thought I was based on that. In the scan they took the size of the sac and my lovely blob and based it on that. Although they stressed that at this stage it can be a week out, so when I go for the 12 week scan it is entirely possible that I get moved on a little again. That is when dating becomes more accurate. So could that be explanation for why dates are currently getting shifted around?

Sorry havent replied to everyone, but sooo many have posted today!

Sersi I've had two homebirths and would highly reccomend the experience, its just so relaxed and personal. Theres lots of stories on MN about homebirths and
www.homebirth.org.uk/
is a great reference site if you are considering a homebirth. What are your specific concerns about a HB?

Hi everyone,

Haven't been on here for ages - finding it impossible to keep up with all you lovely ladies!

Just wanted to ask a question. Had my booking in appointment this week with my midwife. Firstly I was pleasantly shocked to discover I am not classed as an older mum despite being 39 (well chuffed about that one). She said you had to be over 40. Anwyay, she has advised that I think very seriously about a home birth. I have 2 lovely boys who I had at a midwife only birthing unit attached to Watford General hosp - I found it to be a really great place. HOwever, both were pretty quick labours, my 2nd son being recorded as 28 minutes. I now live at least (without traffic) a half hours drive from Watford so am a little nervous about using it. I am closer (15-20 mins without traffic) to Stoke Maderville but she tells me that the birthing unit there is not as good, also, is worried that I may not make it and may have said baby half way up the A41. She really seemed to want me to do a home birth but I'm not sure (like the idea but a bit worried about risks) and DH is terrified by the prospect and thinks I should be in a hospital.

Anyway - to get to the point (eventually), anybody have any experience of either Stoke Manderville or home births? What do you think? I found it a bit odd that she should express such a strong opinion as to where I ought to give birth.

Talking about being super paranoid, I'm feeling quite sick today. But I can't work out whether its due to being pregnant or worrying sick about our scan on Friday morning! I did book the earliest scan,(8.10am) DH not happy (thought he could get a lie in!), but it will put me out of misery as quickly as possible!

Blocka I think the sharp pains are pretty routine AFAIK it is your ligaments "giving way" a little at a time. I've had them in all my pregancies. Even so though every time I feel it I do get a little worried - just because we are all so super paranoid at this stage!

1 singalongamumum (DS 18mth)
1 pepa (DS 3.5, DD 18mth)
1 Alibobins (DS5 DD9)
1 liny
1 ClaireDB (1st baby)
2 Lisylou1980
3 salvadory (1st Baby)
4 kittykat765 (DS 17mth)
5 gizzy1973 (1st baby)
5 Dizzyclarebear
5 timmette (DS 3)
6 oomska (DD 13mo)
7 Zen1980 (1st baby?)
7 marmitemonster (2nd DC)
8 STA1mum (DS15mth)
10 lizzylu (DS 14mths)
10 lilacpink (DD 3)
10 AmyLou32
10 Somewhathorrified
11 Katiei (DS)
11 anastaisia (dd b2005)
12 TheKurgan (1st baby)
12 roastbeef
13 skidoodle (DD 13mo)
13 londonlottie
13 LessThenIdeal
13 Sleepingalot
15 lynchy09 (DS14mth)
15 Sersi (DS1 6, DS2 4)
15 Worriedunfortunately (DD 4y)
15 Starshaker (DD 4)
16 DesertFairy (DD3)
16 ampster (DS 11mo)
16 beanieb
16 bluespix
16 ILoveDolly
17 slightlybonkers (DS 3yo)
17 MrsStripey (DS15mo)
18 alfiesmadmother (DS1 7,DS2 5 and DS3 3)
18 dal21 (DS 20 mths)
19 VivClicquot
20 CoffeeAndCarrotCake (DD 21mo)
20 Rainbowdays (DS1 5, DD 4, DS2 13months)
20 sooooexcited (DS 2)
20 showmethemummy (2 DCs)
23 AutumnAir (1st baby)
24 Blocka (DD 32mo)
24 totalmisfit (DD 3.2)
24 Laura233
24 FlightofFancy
24 coffeeicecream (DS 9mo)
25 Noodlesforbreakfast
26 Biccy
27 sazlocks (DC 16mo)
28 JamieJay
29 helenabeth (DS1 4.5, DS2 20mths)
30 nervoussara
30 (or thereabouts!) anniemac (DD 4)
31 laurawantsababy (DD 11mo)
31 IrrationalMother (DS 18mo)
[?] Miss Chatterbox (DD1 4 DD2 2)
[?] Beanz2 (DS 13mo)

i've just confided in a work mate that I am pg, and she said she thought I was because of my eating habits?!?!?!

What the hell does that mean?? I am eating no differently (well, okay, maybe twice as much but it is the same things!!). I was so shocked she said it I couldn't ask her what she meant!!!

So much for worrying about my pot belly giving the game away, it was actually my biscuit habit!! Let that be a lesson for us all! xx

Crystallised ginger (less of a craving really than knowing that ginger is good for sickness and that the strong lingering after taste may be preferable to the dry mouthed hunger over type feeling)... they've got 400 gram bags for £1.74 in Julian Graves at the moment (which is cheaper than their 200 gram bag).

Thanks Biccy and anniemac.

Craving coffee ice cream now any one else having strong ones?

1 singalongamumum (DS 18mth)
1 pepa (DS 3.5, DD 18mth)
1 Alibobins (DS5 DD9)
1 liny
1 ClaireDB (1st baby)
2 Lisylou1980
3 salvadory (1st Baby)
4 kittykat765 (DS 17mth)
5 gizzy1973 (1st baby)
5 Dizzyclarebear
5 timmette (DS 3)
6 oomska (DD 13mo)
7 Zen1980 (1st baby?)
7 marmitemonster (2nd DC)
8 STA1mum (DS15mth)
10 lizzylu (DS 14mths)
10 lilacpink (DD 3)
10 AmyLou32
10 Somewhathorrified
11 Katiei (DS)
11 anastaisia (dd b2005)
12 TheKurgan (1st baby)
12 roastbeef
13 skidoodle (DD 13mo)
13 londonlottie
13 LessThenIdeal
13 Sleepingalot
15 lynchy09 (DS14mth)
15 Sersi (DS1 6, DS2 4)
15 Worriedunfortunately (DD 4y)
15 Starshaker (DD 4)
16 DesertFairy (DD3)
16 ampster (DS 11mo)
16 beanieb
16 bluespix
16 ILoveDolly
17 slightlybonkers (DS 3yo)
17 MrsStripey (DS15mo)
18 alfiesmadmother (DS1 7,DS2 5 and DS3 3)
18 dal21 (DS 20 mths)
19 VivClicquot
20 CoffeeAndCarrotCake (DD 21mo)
20 Rainbowdays (DS1 5, DD 4, DS2 13months)
20 sooooexcited (DS 2)
20 showmethemummy (2 DCs)
23 AutumnAir (1st baby)
24 Blocka (DD 32mo)
24 totalmisfit (DD 3.2)
24 Laura233
24 FlightofFancy
24 coffeeicecream (DS 9mo)<