Thank you very much for the information pinkfizzle. It's wonderful to hear that you are having a positive experience at Kings. Best wishes and good luck with the birth

I called Lewisham and they have 1 pool and staff trained to assist. She suggested a home birth and gave me information about hiring a birthing pool. Not sure if I want to do that as it's my first, although being at home is sounds very appealing. Lots to think about.

link to the healthcare comm surveys.. in case of interest.



www.birthchoiceuk.com/BirthChoiceUKFrame.htm?http://www.birthchoiceuk.com/HCSurvey.html

I'd agree with crumpette that Kings is easier than you think to get to from Greenwich, SE, there is also the train to Denmark Hill.

I can only add that I am at Kings and am nearly ready to pop. It is not the closest but I did research what I could of Lewisham and QE. I had friends who did not have great experiences at either - but I have heard that Lewisham has improved - tbh you have to remember that everyone may have a difference personal experience.

I can not fault anyone that I have come into contact with at Kings and I have seen a lot of staff. I also ask lots of questions and they always give me proper time and answer any queries I have.

They have so far just been fantastic, in fact my dh have said that we will write a letter to the hospital to comment on the great care we have received when we get a moment .

We will see how the birth goes but the care thus far has been outstanding, and my dh and I feel that it is not a one off but as we have met with so many people - we think that they have a great ethos through out all the staff we have come into contact with.

There was a website that I used to check out maternity care assessments also. That I will try send you, am suffering from pregnancy insomnia so will look it up.

mumabee ring the hospital and check - you need to check how many water birth facilities and also whether all the midwives are trained in waterbirths and the reality - as to how busy the hospital is. Good Luck!

Hi, sorry to bump thread but would appreciate help with choosing a hospital.

I live in Brockley and have been offered Lewisham Hospital (nearest) but want a water birth at St Thomas' because I have heard horror stories about Lewisham and the standard of care and would like to make a balanced decision. Is there a water birth facility at Lewisham Hosp.? RamDhan mentioned it but I can't find it on their website.

Are there any more recent experiences in any of these hospitals?

I lived in Greenwich and had DD at St Thomas's in Feb 2008 and it was excellent, though postnatal ward standard, the rest of care was excellent.

I am having DC2 at Kings, simply because we live nearby.

I would never have baby at QE or lewisham tbh, I would want a large teaching hospital with the best facilities. You never know what may happen. My mw (SE10 based one) told me horror stories about queen elizabeth. I used to travel to St Thomas's on the thames clipper boat or by tube from North Greenwich, and also you can go overland easily to london bridge and change.

Thanks! It doesn't look like I have the option you did, but I decided to go with Lewisham after doing the Labour ward tour. It does look like things have improved there a little in the last year or so, and the water birth room is nice. I'll try and remember to post my experiences in case anyone else is trying to make the same decision. :-)

Hi Rhamdam - I'm the original poster from way back.

I actually ended up giving birth at the Barkentine Centre in Tower Hamlets.

It is a midwife led birthing unit - only 5 rooms but each one has bouncing balls and a large water pool. My husband was also able to stay overnight as they have double beds and no visiting rules ie anyone at anytime.

The only proviso is that you have to have had the 'perfect' pregnancy but I highly recommend it if you can.

This is exactly the information I've been looking for. I live very close to Lewisham Hospital but am hugely disappointed by most of the reviews I've found. It's good to see at least a couple of OK experiences. Are there any more recent experiences in any of these hospitals?

Ooh just remembered something else. Two days before having DS3 I came down with a terrible bug and had to be admitted. They put me on a drip and left me for hours. All I wanted to do was to get changed and sleep, but couldn't cos I was attached to the stupid drip...and then the midwife woke me at 2 and 6 to do my BP...I was more stressed being there than anything else!

I had my 2 youngest boys at QEII, 6 and 4 yrs ago. With my 6 yr old DS my care during labour was great (with DS3 it was so quick, I hardly have memories of it )

The aftercare (postnatal ward) was awful!! Really horrendous. Rude midwives, who didn't have any time for their patients. I couldn't wait to get out of there! With DS3, I was home 6 hours after having him!

My antenatal care was ok, but I was classed as high risk having had a stillborn baby to PE and another 7 weeks early because of PE. I don't remember having any real problems with the antenatal side of it. Oh apart from one time when I had to wait 3 hours for my appt with DS3 and DS2 was only nearly 2 NOT an experience I want to repeat!

One point about QEII - I had a private room, and the private rooms are located on the corridor that from the maternity ward to the labour ward. I was constantly woken up throughout the night by noisy nursing staff who would yell down the corridor rather than actually walking down and asking questions. (And they had a horrible trolley with a wonky wheel that clattered really noisily all the way). I couldn't leave the door closed because the heating was on overdrive and the room was stinking hot, yet it was utterly freezing outside and leaving the window open meant a HUGE draft coming in. Poor DS ended up with a heat rash in March!

The staff in labour were generally great. 2 out of the 3 midwives were fabulous, the doctor was really, really great (ordered his student out of the room for doing something silly and wouldn't let her back in) and very calm and reassuring. The anaethatist (when I finally got to see her after 3 hours!) was really nice as well.

After birth care was utterly rubbish. On the day I was due to go home, my DH came to collect me, but they hadn't got their act together and the paperwork hadn't been filled in so I wasn't allowed to go, and they wouldn't let DH stay and he had to leave and come back for the next lot of visiting hours, even though I had a private room and noone would have been disturbed by him being there at all!!!!

Not sure about the latest MRSA stats, we were there in spring '07... Might be worthwhile checking? Agree with piximon on BF too, not great. Also find that St. Thomas CMWs have more time for you during the antenatal visits and seem to genially care for you, so far overall very happy with my choice this time around.

oh dear - i opted for QEII in the end as the mid-wives came to my local surgery.
bit scary about the MRSA post - that is one of my main concerns. I think i'll buy a hospital cleaning pack to take in with me and get my DH to do a bit of cleaning when no-one is around.

I had ds1 at the QE in 2003 and it was an awful exp, in most ways I can think of. The after care esp left much to be desired.

I then had dts there end of 2006 and it was better but I think mainly because dts considered high risk and I wanted (and had) natural delivery. The hospital was dirty (dh had to clean the toilet), they often close the ward as they are too full and if you plan to breast feed make sure you have an idea what you're doing before you go in as they were always to busy to give me any support.

Hope everything goes well whichever you choose.

Sorry to throw a spanner in the works here regarding Kings. I had ds2 in september 2007 at home totally unplanned, i had just moved that day and so was no longer able to go to St Thomas' as planned. I was taken to kings as ds2 was a month prem and tiny with it.

I would NEVER go back there for any reason. They took ds2 to scbu the morning after he was born and from that moment on i was not allowed to hold him, feed him, touch him etc. He was only jaundice, they were trying to get him to feed 2 oz of milk every hour as he was tiny. I kept asking if i could bf him as he didn't like the ff and was constantly told no. In the end i lost my temper on the friday night (had him on tuesday) and told them i was taking him home, on saturday. On saturday morning the dr came to see me and told me i could not take him home but they would allow me to feed him FINALLY!!! I began bf at 11am and the following morning i was home with him, as he had fed constantly for almost 3 hours....he sure was hungry lol.

agree with spillage - go local.
my dh had to drive 2 hrs from surrey to kings, every time to see me. and kings is in denmark hill, which is just a frightening place.
plus, mw continuity of care awful. the transfer from mw's at kings to mw's locally was a right muck up.

I gave birth at Kings 5 yrs ago and 2 months ago. Both cs. Am 'high risk' and the care I had was superb.
But, after birth, on the wards, they are very very understaffed and the care I had was abyssmal. If you are just a 'normal' lady, then I asm sure you would be fine with the care they provide.
Kings do have a very very good reputation, but as Barcelona says this is based on Nikolades and other world famous/best in the world doctors -like mine Prof Amiel. For normal births, this would not be so relevant.

I had a horrendous experience at the QEII and definitively not goint back there. Was left with the student midwife and not properly monitored and after 28h baby crashed and we ended up in an emergency section. Worst of all, post natal care was bad beyond belief, both me and the baby got MRSA which wasn't diagnosed and I was treated like a hypocondriac for trying to tell them that something wasn't quite right. Drive from Greenwich to the hospital took over an hour late in the evening due to road works so it wasn't even within easier access than St. Thomas.

I would choose the hospital nearest to you, as
spillage21 says you won't get postnatal care from out of area hospitals. Or how about finding out whether your two local hospitals have group practice midwives and think about having a home birth?

The Albany midwives will not cover Greenwich area as they take their main referrals from the GP surgery they are linked to. Mostly the Peckham area and are contracted to Kings.

Oh and as spillage21 says as well Prof Nickolaides runs Harris birthright centre at Kings, which is the fetal medicine unit and no you're not being pedantic spillage21.

Good luck with where-ever you choose.

I had ds in queen elizabeth although 5 years ago and i thought it to be excellent! Am now having next in Lewisham as is close to me, my sister in law had dd there and when i visited it looked really spotless and clean and she has had no complaints. hope this helps )

Sorry I hit post too quickly. I had DS in Lewisham, it was fine, a complication free birth with G&A, at first the midwife we were allocated was very harsh but we soon realised she was rushed off her feet with emergencies and once she could stay with us she was brilliant.

With DD I had a homebirth in yorkshire, the people that we dealt with there were truly wonderful, much more caring, and had lots more time, but I understand that is due to the much higher maternity provision there (and smaller populations)

I agree with those that say the closest is the best. Your DH will do lots of toing and froing between the birth and your discharge, which could be especially relevant if you need an emergeny c section or something like.

Really all hospitals have their failings and their positives. A lot depends on luck, i.e if you are in labour and the ward is half empty you get much better care than if by chance they are full and understaffed.

And I second Albany Centre, though it maybe too late as they are very much in demand!

I've had 3 planned c-sect's at Lewisham. The first 11 years ago and the last 2 years ago. All my ante natal care was consultant led so took place at the hospital. I also had extensive ante natal and post natal interventions with my third pregnancy.

Lewisham have upped their game since my first experience and I coulcn't honestly have asked for better care by the time I had DS3. Just for info all maternity units were slated in last years report on London maternity provision except for, I think, Tommys which did well.

Kings was my other local hospital but I had a botched gynae op there 13 years ago and they ruptured my uterus. I know its silly but I just couldn't bear the thought of being in there again.

Based on my experience I would def choose Kings and avoid St Thomas' - I had my first baby there and it was grim.

Kings was fantastic - I was in for over a week after giving birth with complications and my DS ended up in SCBU for nearly three weeks so I spent plenty of time there unfortunately.

I would recommend choosing a hospital closer to you. One of the reasons is that if you have your baby at say, King's, and you live well outside the catchment area, you won't be seen postnatally by King's midwives, you'll be seen by MWs from your nearest hospital so not much chance of continuity of care. And unfortunately PN care can be very different between hospitals...

Plus if you stay at home until you are in established labour and then have to make your way to hospital during rush hour in a hospital a long way away...it's gonna be very stressful!

As you're in Deptford, why not also get in touch with Albany midwives (Deptford being their spiritual home!)?

Best of luck!

PS Nicolaides runs fetal medicine...not antenatal care. Sorry for being pedantic.

wow - thank you everyone for your comments - it is really helpful to hear of our experience! Now just have to convince DH that the nearest is not necessarily the one we're going for!

I gave birth at Lewisham in April this year and have to say I think its bad press is really unjustified. I ended up being in there for 5 days and in all the shift changes only encountered one unfriendly midwife and even she wasn't that bad! Lots of help re breastfeeding available too. Ante natal care was fine and all my scans were carried out on time at the appointment time so I didn't have to hang around waiting all afternoon like I've heard other mums say. Can't comment on the other hospitals as this was my first child but I did have a friend who was admitted to QM in Sidcup in July and despite several examinations got to 8cm before they realised the baby was breech - didn't exactly inspire me with confidence.

My local is Lewisham, but I'm hoping to have a home birth... However, I know that Lewisham are really trying to up their game after bad scores for maternity services a year or so ago. I had an emergency scan there a few weeks ago and everyone I encountered was lovely. Same again for the nuchal scan three weeks ago. Also, the breastfeeding consultant there is a midwife called Jill Moore and she's great - have had her for both my bookings-in.

Had early (private) scan at QE done by consultant called Dr Ali, who has quite a name in high risk obs and gynae and was great, but you wouldn't have any reason to see him I guess unless you were high risk.

Had mc at St Thomas's in March and they were absolutely fantastic - it was a bit of saga so I saw two nurses, two doctors and a consultant and they were all lovely and very supportive. They have great scores for their maternity services, too, but they are that bit further away, so not so great for an emergency dash, if you were to have to make one!

Hope that helps.

I gave birth at Kings and then DD was transferred to NICU/SCBU at St Thomas's - I would highly recommend both tbh. Ante-natal care at Kings was excellent although it is v v busy. St T's NICU was FANTASTIC. Great views there too but parking is dreadful.

Have lots of friends who gave birth at Lewisham and all survived, but don't think it's as good as Kings. Having said that, your journeys to ante-natal appointments and to the labour ward need to be taken into account. We moved half way through my pregnancy so had further to travel and it was a bit of a pain. I'd go with your closest one as long as people say its OK. Your midwife / doctor should have some idea of the standard of services locally.

I gave birth at Lewisham hospital but it was 15 years ago so hardly up to date info.

But - for what it is worth.
I would rather give birth at McDonalds or in the street than ever set foot in that hell hole again. Rude stupid unplesant people who made my birth a nightmare and who managed to do not one single thing with competence, manners, grace, humour or kindness.
Hideous. Beyond hideous

I've used Queen Elizabeth's and St Thomas'. Would prefer St Thomas' for better SCBU, facilities, bigger. Aftercare at both on bogstandard postnatal ward poor (Sept overcrowding) but was horrendous at QE rather than just shite at St Thomas. I had cs both times. Parking at St Thomas is a nightmare. Slightly better at QE but bring lots of coins!

My mum had me ant my sis at tommies and wanted me to go there with this one (My first) but as it would be an hour away in light traffic (more like 4 in rush hour traffic) it seemed sensible to settle for 1 closer to home (SE9).

I asked Doc about Lewisham and she basically told me that that would be way too much hassle for her to arrange and I saw a horrific documentry about the hygene standards at QM in sidcup so I had little choice but to settle on QE woolwich. 2 of my nephews were born there and their mum told be it was a good hospital (as she works in hospitals for a living I figured that was a good sign!!!)

St Thomas's is great, but there's a lot to be said for going to a hospital reasonably near you. We ended up in and out of there quite a lot around the time that DS was born,a long journey would have been pretty exhausting

Hi there, haven't been seen at Kings or Lewisham but have been seen at Queen Elizabeth and St Thomas. A lot can depend on whether your pregnancy is high risk or not - Kings and St Thomas' are both teaching hospitals and so as barcelonababe has said you will get very good care there if there are any problems. However given their catchment areas Lewisham and QEH Woolwich also deal with plenty of high risk cases so you will be well looked after. With this pregnancy I have chosen to go to St Thomas but I am in the high risk category so don't take my example!

QE is very busy and closes fairly frequently to admissions- but the other three do too. If you haven't looked already, you can see the Healthcare Commission reports for each hospital if you google healthcare commission maternity services.

Good luck with whatever you decide

How will you get to the hospital and what would each be like for your chosen method? If you'll always be driving and so can your dh/dp (you won't want to take yourself to hospital presumably) then I'd find out about parking in each place, but if you're going to need to get there by public transport, that's worth checking for antenatal appointments etc, and also though hopefully it won't be an issue for you, if for any reason you and baby have a longer than expected stay.

My chosen hospital has excellent public transport connections but parking is a problem, and although it's in a somewhat rundown area I've had cause to appreciate the local shops and a public library very close by. By contrast the nearest hospital has nothing except dual carriageways surrounding it.

Kings has an amazing reputation for antenatal care. Dr Nicolaides runs the antenatal department- he is one the leading man in the field in the UK. Plenty of info on google. You will have the best scans in the country at Kings. Aftercare a bit patchy like almost everywhere.

Dr Nicolaides also runs a private clinic in Harley Street but you will get the same treatment for free on the NHS.

I would defo recommend you Kings!

The doctor asked me where i wanted to give birth. i have no idea as i thought they would tell me where i HAD to give birth. Too much choice already (imagine what I'll be like with choosing names)

I live in SE13 Greenwich Deptford so i guess Lewisham General and St Elizabeth's in Woolwich are pretty equidistant.

does anyone have any experience with either of these hospitals? Or any recommendations?