Hi Guys,

Just wanted to let anyone planning a home birth know that we have a competition on Mama to be Goodies to win a birthing pool. Follow this link: http://www.mamatobegoodies.co.uk/win-la-bassine-birthing-pool-essentials-kit/

Cheers,

Kat x

here's new thread just in the nick of time i think, sorry about boring title i have no brain at the mo. heretis

Hello all! I rarely post at weekends, but am staying with inlaws this weekend and DH and them have all gone to play golf, so I'm taking advantage of a bit of "me" time and just reading and surfing the net etc. Rather nice as DH is hyper and doesn't really get the relaxing and taking it gently thing! Actually having a lovely time with them all.

Tried to shave my legs in the bath last night - I swear I've got a fringe at the back where I can't reach the hairs!!

Very exciting day yesterday - we bought a new car! We were set on a golf as don't want anything too big in London as parking is so hellish. So we went to a few dealers and couldn't find anything in our budget that was what we wanted. We'd driven about 30 miles by then and as we were coming back to his parent's village, there was a car lot, so we popped in. Found a Bora - which is basically a golf, but more of a saloon, not a hatchback - and it's about half the price! Marvellous. So we got it - it was £500 under our budget and a 2 litre engine with aircon and remote locking and a sunroof and everything. Chuffed to bits! Wow, that was boring - sorry! - but exciting for us!

Kayz and Effie - sorry to hear about your LO's wobblies - a treat in store for the first timers amongst us!

New title for a new thread, how about "Due Dec 08 - In the Departure Lounge and getting ready for Take Off" or something - or maybe that's rubbish! I'm not very good at that sort of thing! Bloody hell - can't believe how soon it's all going to kick off - 7 weeks today for me. AAAAGH!

I feel like mine has been taking some kind of steroids - it's booting me to high heaven. Hardly slept a wink last night!

Kayz: sympathies re the tantrums, I had DS for the day yesterday as DH was meeting up with a friend and he was not the easiest of children . We ended up having several rows, plus a couple of tantrums - I was tempted to stalk off and leave him in the park at one point! An afternoon with snacks and a new Bob the Builder dvd restored us both (DH has now taken him out for the morning so I'm finishing off chores and cooking lunch).

Am up for the Secret Stork - will email April

No suggestions from me I'm afraid, can't think of a thing tonight!

majormoo I can't believe your fil & bil just let you do all the work! Hope you get a nice break now from visitors

Dh & I are feeling a bit silly tonight, we've just confused night terrors with possible meningitis , but we are relieved it wasn't anything serious!

thanks Verso, we were indeed on the April 05 thread

AM - have emailed you. I think we were on the April 05 thread together!

Thanks ladies for your details, have 4 of you so far. JAM please can you email me, i know i have your details but i have it in a special DEC SECRET STORK folder and will refer to that when working out who has who.

Thanks Majormoo I have had a better day today.

I can't believe they let you move a table and sit on the floor!!

I won that sling on Ebay!! Its the first thing I have ever won!!!!

We need a new thread. Any suggestions??

have tried to catch up but there is so much to read.

Kayz-hope you have a better day today

Turnip/PD must be so hard having to deal with your fathers.

Have not been on for a while as have had loads of family birthdays, and much as I like my in-laws, was so pleased when they eventually left yesterday. Am looking forward to seeing my side of the family in half term who may actually notice that I am expecting a baby in 7 weeks time. After having all DH's family over for dinner Thursday, was really irritated that while FIL and BIL sat on the sofa relaxing with their wine, SIL and I were tidying up and moving the dining table back in place (which is quite heavy). AND I ended up sitting on the floor on a practically flat bean bag. grrr.
Sorry just feeling very tired and moody.

am have emailed you, thanks for organising

Thanks everyone for the sympathy.

We are both fine today, can hardly see either bump now.

JJ I do think it is just a phase and so does the health visitor so finger's crossed he'll be better soon.

AprilMeadow I have e-mailed you. It all feels quite exciting!!

sorry about odd letters in random places their very dyslexic it seems at moment.

also since my whinge about heartburn the other day i am loads better with it. this thread is definitely therapeutic.

thanks AM have sent you email.

i am shattered, DS has football at 9am which DH usually takes him to but it was me this morning. Bit tiring getting up and to the group for 9am but funny to watch. DS is quite competent as far as his phsical abilities go and is much better than most kids his age, but his comprehension of instruction and advanced ball skills is, well age appropriate. So they are a bit stuck with which group to put him in for football. He is only 3 & 2months but the kids his age kid of wander around and don't focus on anything, but the 4&5 year olds are doing really advanced dribbling inc. backwards dribbling. Bless my poor little DS he just wants to chat and play fight with the big kids and give the ball a big kick.

DH ants him in with the big kid but i think he would be better just mucking about with the kids his age and enjoying himself he has plenty of time to do the more advanced stuff in a year. We are both ready for a sleep now.

Kayz sorrt to hear about your day yesterday, very frustrating. they seem to know when we are ahattered and pick then to act up. Hope his head is ok now, and yours.

Hi AprilMeadow, thanks very much for volunteering, this sounds like great fun!

Kayz sorry to hear about your DS, is it just a phase do you think?

Thanks AM.

Hello Ladies, I am on the May07 PN thread with JAM and she has asked if i might be able to sort out a Secret Stork for you lovely December ladies.

All those that would like to take part need to email ( aprilmeadow@hotmail.co.uk ) your name, address and flavour of your bean if you know. Also if you have any particular likes and dislikes relating to baby gifts.

The budget is £10 and its up to you if you want to include postage within that.

If i could please have all your details by the 31st October i will make sure that you are emailed back with your Secret Stork the following week. All gifts to arrive by the 1st December, hopefully before too many little bubbas have arrived

You can choose either to buy for the baby or for the mummy, the choice is up to you.

Oh, and of course i will need to know what you all get, just part of the fun

kayz sympathies with the tantrums! Hope ds is better today

oli which pushchair did you get? I'm hoping mine turns up next week!

veggie glad your course started well, hope you got a good rest last night

Morning,

I am going to apologise for the very me post but I do need to get it all of my chest!!!

I had the day from hell yesterday. DS was the devil child and was really bad yesterday. He has quite bad tantrums sometimes and normally they last about 10 seconds but yesterday it was horrible.

First thing was not being allowed to drink my coffee so he headbutted me, then he was sick so we rushed over to the doctors(luckily just over the road). He is fine but we have matching bumps on our heads. We've been told if he seems over tired or his eyes look glazed over to get him straight to hospital.

Second he decided to throw a pile of books everywhere that I had just sorted out ready to go into a box. Then his toys all came out of his toybox.

Of course as soon as Daddy came home he was a bloody angel, never had a tantrum nothing!! Luckily DH knows what he is like. The thing is he is never really bad when we are both here. If I am at work he can be a real pain for DH and vice versa.

Needless to say I have a bit of a headache this morning

Hope everyone is ok!!!!

evening all, had a tiring but good day. it was 1st day of my breastfeeding helpers course. it is down in Wolverhampton so an hours drive, but really good teacher and a lovely group. The creche is great too, DS loved it and is looking forward to next week, practically had to drag him away.

Oli u can't believe your boss wasn't there to say goodbye on your last day, but nice to hear your off now.

Hatty i also secretly like when DS is a little unwell as we just chill out on the couch and watch DVD's

Evening ladies....sorry about sicky kiddies and monster injecton sessions...that sounds hard work.

Hope those of you who met up have had a nice time!

I got my buggy!! And I've used it already and I love it!!!! I can't believe that it actually folds up smaller than my single in the back of my teeny tiny fiesta! It's fab!

Just had a lovely bath with DS although he has seen too many mums breast feeding recently and was very interested in my boobs!!! He was pretending that his sponge was a baby and that it needed milk ! I don't think that he remembers feeding himself though, he certainly hasn't mentioned it. Hope he doesn't get jealous of minipop.

I have a Cameleon too but never got round to watching the DVD .

hatty snuggling with videos is entirely medicinal and justified!

Work mental. It's the weekend! Hurrah!

Am. Very. Tired. So. Won't. Post. More. (Until 2:30am of course )

Evening all, just finished my last Friday until probably 2010 I'm going down to 3 days a week from next week to use up my annual leave, and starting ML in earnest at 38 weeks.

hatty - hope the nippers are better soon, but not too exhausting!

will try to catch up with everyone else's news, can't promise a mammoth Indith / LadyT style post though!

I know I feel awful about it but we've snuggled up with loads of videos, they're poorly but not so poorly that you fret and it's been quite nice really!

So sweet about your DS and his moses basket!

hatty sorry to hear your dds have been ill. Are they feeling any better? Ikwym though about how nice it is when they just want to sit down all day!

Very jealous of you all meeting up tonight - wish I was still in London! Have a lovely time!

DD's have had vomity bug the last few days so have been on changing sheets and pyjamas ten times a night duty so not had much time to catch up! The only good thing about it is that they want to just sit quietly and cuddle or sleep during the day for once, rather than running around like duracell bunnies! So I have had a more restful few days than for ages!

Will sit down for a read through. Hope everyone is okay.

Sorry, I've just realised that's a very me post, hope everyone else is ok and feeling a bit happier

Hi all, am like Jam and a bit I can't make tonight! Oh well, have a nice time everyone!

Am very excited, we've just bought our pushchair after dithering about whether or not to get one for months

Oh yes, second comments about There's a House Inside my Mummy. Ds does love it and it has made him understand why I can't lift and carry him that much anymore, but I think I need to find some books about life afterwards now!

Speaking of ds & babies, I put up the moses basket in the living room and ds has put some of his teddies in there under the blanket. Apparently we have to be quiet because the babies are sleeping. Made me quite tearful

MY DP calls it witches net! he has actually met a couple of the girls from DS thread.

Have a fab time tonight am so of you girls who dont have other LO's and can go out for a cheeky drink. Wish I had made the most of that bit before DS.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

My DH is the same re Mumsnet, thinks it's a bit strange to be chatting to people I don't know about private stuff. If only he knew how much it helps and stops me being down!

We got the dark blue base and off white other stuff. Looks quite funky. Quite masculine, but figured that even if we have a girl, it doesn't really matter too much. I like it!

Yeah, it's also quite heavy which is what I was worried about before I got it. I got the dark denim one (at DP's insistence - he seemed to feel anything else compromised his masculinity ). I have to cut down my mentions of him actually, he is a bit down on Mumsnet and I think he has checked out what I have been saying once or twice...

HI LT - I do have the cameleon - it does look a bit complicated, but think that practice makes perfect... I hope anyway!

Gosh simmo you are a PE teacher, I was only saying the other day it must be hard work to be pregnant and be a PE teacher! Impressed you are working so late into pg!

Hello again to PreggieJane and Katie.

Beans, have you got the Bugaboo Cameleon? Have you got the instruction dvd?? I haven't had a go of it yet as it's at DP's but it looks a bit complicated. I mean...a flippin' instruction dvd, I ask yer.

Turnip and PD, thanks for posting up the details and see you later. I'll be there a bit before half six (I hope) and will have to go about 7.45. Sorry about this. If you want to have supper together afterwards there's a Pizza Express next door or a lovely little Turkish place called Ozer, which is quite glam but not too dear at the same time. Arti, if you are reading, do come! I don't bite. (Well, only people who don't give me a seat on public transport). Sorry not to see Verso - amazing we are having our sections on the same day!

Indith, you have answered my question; I was wondering about how to apply for Child Benefit. And I will hold you to that coffee whenever I come up to Durham!

LadyBaby was still for hours on end this morning so all a bit of a panic, even through my breakfast and my driving lesson, when she usually kicks for England. But all ok now - I suddenly felt a whole foot poke out and now she is back to normal.

Oh, count me in for the Secret Santa. Right, must email Effie now.

Hello to all. it has been ages since I have posted a message. Hope everyone is ok- just spent the last half an hour catching up or trying too. I can't believe we are almost at the end of this thread.
Went to the midwife last week only to be told my bump is small (only 26cm) and so have to go back again next week. DS was 7lbs 11 oz so was expecting a similar size again. So have spent the past week eating loads of Cherry bakewells!!
Must be quite small as lots of people only realised I was pregnant when my maternity post was advertised.
Keep having loads of cramps in the night- bananas do not seem to slove the problem. So will try not walking as far but quite difficult in my job as a PE teacher!!
Have 6 more weeks to go before ML starts and so quite of those enjoying ML already.
Pregnancy brain is hitting me quite badly left the gas hob on all night the other night and only noticed when I came to make ds lunch (oooppps!!)
Sorry this is a very me post. Have really enjoyed catching up and will promise to post more regurlarly now. Have a good time those meeting up tonight.

Thanks Indith

Child Benefit, the one that everybody is entitled to. You can apply online or via the form that you will get in your evil bounty pack when you have the baby.

Blimey a fair few of you are going through it a bit. Big hugs to all.

Sadly I cannot make tonight but for those who can enjoy.

I should be able to make the lunch on 17th Nov. How exciting, lots of lovely ladies and bumps meeting up. Fab!

Feeling very unmotivated at work today and am secretly counting down the days until ML.

Looking forward to the weekend and am setting aside some time to shop for more baby bits. Must try to get a bit more organised.....

What's a CB number? (sure that is a dim question )

zj you apply for CTC, once you have your CB number you can fill in the forms.

oli your first day on ML – I hope you get plenty of rest now and lots prepared for baby. Very of you being off work already! And enjoy buggy shopping today

turnip you’re so right about us being lucky to have those babies growing away inside us, despite the problems they’re giving us. And I’m sending good vibes to your friend for her implantation today.

poisondwarf what a difficult task you’ve been set at work, really hoping someone senior realises how daft they’ve been allocating it to you.

verso great news on having a date, sounds like your appt went well as you sound very upbeat

veggie pleased to hear your DH arrived safely, but of the weather out there!

katie sorry to hear about your diabetes, but it sounds like it’s under control (and well done on getting a grip on injecting yourself, I don’t think I’d be very good with that!)

Thanks to indith, turnip, pd, veggie and co for the swaddling links and info – already printed both off, and think I’ll borrow a doll to get practising!! I’m surprised at how long you swaddled for, but if baby likes it then why stop? I’m getting more enthusiastic for it by the minute, so will definitely be trying it out now I know some more.

Thanks chutney for the surestart link, I’ll take a look at that as I didn’t know anything about it. And this has also brought to mind the child tax credits (or whatever they’re called) – do I have to apply for those, or just get them automatically? (hope this isn’t a very dim question!)

Thanks for the book recs, will investigate what they have at the library

Surestart is means tested but so long as you are getting more than the basic family element of CTC you will get it (also WTC, unemployment and more). It is def worth applying. For anyone with no children yet you have up to 3 months after birth to apply so if you make sure you register the birth quickly, get your child benefit number and apply for CTC then as soon as that is through you can get the surestart money. I had to do that last time as being a student and living off a student loan didn't class as being low enough income for the grant!

The fruit and veg thing will come through automatically if you are entitled to it and have got all the other things you are entitled to like your CTC and surestart money. Don't know what the threshold is for it though, think it is pretty low, I know we stopped getting vouchers once dh started working.

Shame about your friend Beans - makes total sense to me that you can feel sympathy & anger at the same time (I've just come to the conclusion over many many years that anger is easier for me to cope with so I try to stick to that). I think your situation is different in that your friend is so young and there is time for her to turn herself round, which will make you feel worse cos you're essentially powerless to help - only she can be the one to stop. All you can do is support her in her efforts.

Invisible don't like the sound of that hunger strike business! I'm hoping that it won't be quite that drastic with DS. Apart from the fact that he's an easygoing little chap (so far), DP is his main carer and will probably continue to be for a while, hopefully enough for us all to get used to the new arrival. You never know though do you? Friends of mine with similar age gaps have told me that their older children were fine when the baby arrived but it was months down the line when the baby was starting to be more mobile, more vocal and more demanding (e.g. when teething) that they started to really seethe.

Katie that sounds like a pain - have they given you any indication of what the long-term situation might be or do you get the impression that it should sort itself out after the pregnancy?

Beans: I think it's a sheepskin/lambskin: you can get them for buggies or to use as playmats or even in the cot (the last is not recommended due to SIDS risk, but we resorted to it at one point in our valiant efforts to get DS to sleep). You can get them from all kinds of places, there are (pricer) organic ones which are supposed to be good because of the chemicals used to cure the skins or something. You can also get darker ones: we have a dark brown one which is great for not showing any stains!

some here

www.greenbaby.co.uk/pl_SHEEPSKIN.htm

Email: I suggested an email list for those who might not be able to get onto MN or who would find email easier for circulating news. Email me if you'd like to be added - no need to add RL details if you'd prefer not to
Katie: sorry to hear about the injections (ouch), hope thigns settle down soon.

Beans do you mean a sheepskin rug for the bubba to lie on?

The secret stork thing the way we worked it last time round was send all our addresses to an independant mumsnetter that one of us new and she then chucked names together and sent each person an email containing the recipients address and RL name if you were happy for people to know RL names. I do have someone in mind on my orther reg thread that I can ask. If you are happy with this and she is happy to do it for us will get her to post her email on this thread and those interested can mail her.

PD & Turnip how sad for you but sounds like you know what you are dealing with and are coping admirably .

I have no idea how to try and explain to DS about this bubba, he is 17mth and has relatively good understanding gives my tummy a cuddle and seems ok if I am holding other babies but he is just to young to get it.

Big ole wave to all.

Beans: I think it's a sheepskin/lambskin: you can get them for buggies or to use as playmats or even in the cot (the last is not recommended due to SIDS risk, but we resorted to it at one point in our valiant efforts to get DS to sleep). You can get them from all kinds of places, there are (pricer) organic ones which are supposed to be good because of the chemicals used to cure the skins or something. You can also get darker ones: we have a dark brown one which is great for not showing any stains!

some here

www.greenbaby.co.uk/pl_SHEEPSKIN.htm

Email: I suggested an email list for those who might not be able to get onto MN or who would find email easier for circulating news. Email me if you'd like to be added - no need to add RL details if you'd prefer not to

Effie - happy with a test message!

Beans - Are you thinking of a sheepskin? We have one in DD's buggy which makes it a bit comfier. They sell them in all kinds of places, John Lewis included. They're a bit of an indulgence, but lovely - maybe a good present if someone wants to treat you?

poisondwarf - your friend's experience is just what I am afraid of. Don't want a section, but feel like I may be bounced into one as they don't really inspire confidence! Am hoping to get some sense out of a consultant at 35 weeks, but that may just be wishful thinking. Will also try and get my doctor sis on the case - she is pretty good at ferreting out answers.

Katie - poor you - needles 4 times a day does not sound like fun, but I guess the important thing is that the diabetes gets under control.

DD is also almost 18 months and I am pretty sure is clueless about what's ahead, so if there are any tips would be happy to hear them! My mother managed to get me worried, telling me about my brother going on hunger strike when my little sister was born - wouldn't eat for about 10 days and had them all very worried. Apparently he was in mourning for the loss of his mummy. Age gap between them is about the same as it will be between DD and the LO...

Effie - I'm a bit of a doofus, but what's this email thing? Feel a bit out of the loop!

I've got a question... One of my friends has a sort of yellowy coloured fur mattress cover in her pram and I really want one - does anyone know where I can get one??!! Does that make any sense?

PD and Turnip - one of my old friends from uni, who I used to live with when I first moved to London is also an alcoholic. She has been in rehab about 8 times, but I don't think she wants to stop. It makes me really sad as I have, to all extents and purposes, lost one of my best friends. She first started rehab at 28 and we're now 33 and she's no better. I used to try to help her, but now I just don't know what to do. I send the odd email or text, but it's become impossible to maintain a friendship with her. I know it's not the same as it being your father, but I do know how difficult it can be to feel sympathy. In some ways, it is the saddest thing in the world, but I can't help feeling angry with her for not being able to ditch it. And it's just a long slow way to destroy yourself. It makes me so very very sad for her, but at the same time, really cross. Does that make sense?

Turnip - one of my best mates has just found out she can't have children naturally, after 10 months of trying and has just started her course of assisted fertility. She now has a 20% chance of getting pregnant. so you're right, let's celebrate our big fat tummies and our big wiggly babies and enjoy them being there, despite the pain, the piles and the poo straining! And everything else. Physically we might be a bit ruined, but in every other way we're so lucky! Hurray for us!

Hi all, did a long post earlier, but lost it due to MN being down, grrr.
Went to see the Diabetes consultant yesterday and I am not having much luck controlling it so am now having to inject myself 4 times a day. Has got me over my fear of needles though!
Also had a scan and baby is already 6 1/2lb so there go my chances of having a smaller baby this time around. They are taking me a bit more seriously about opting for a C-section though, but want to wait until 36 weeks before we make a final decision. This scares me a bit as they usually induce diabetics or do C-sections at 38 weeks, so will only give me a couple of weeks to prepare myself!
DS is being really sweet with the bump, keeps hugging my tummy and kissing the baby through my (non existent)tummy button. I think once baby arrives it might be a different story though.
Sorry for the 'me' post, but can't be bothered to retype my whole post.
Off to find something to do with DS to make up for him having to spend 3 hours at the hospital with me yesterday.
Shame I am no longer in London so can't doany of the meet ups, am very jealous. Hope you have fun and have a drink for those of us who can't make it.

Effie yes, test message is a good idea.

On the subject of preparing your DCs about the new baby, does anyone have any experience of doing this with younger children? DS is only 18 months, although he's a pretty good communicator and can understand a lot of stuff - he knows what a baby is (and always kisses pictures of them whenever he sees them - aah) and he will point to my belly and say baby but I'm pretty sure it means nothing to him. Have looked in the library to see if they've got any suitable books but the ones I've looked at are all way beyond his comprehension (haven't seen any of the books mentioned on here though). Is there any point even trying to get it across to him?

Verso exciting news about the date. Shame you can't come along tonight - it would have been lovely to see you. If you change your mind and decide to skip off early (oh go on) I can meet you before 6.30 if that's easier for you.

Turnip, LadyT (& arti?) see you at 6.30 - oh and I'm in Zone 2 LadyT I'll have you know <flounces>. Any other takers?

chutney the Sure Start maternity grant is about £500 and is means tested. You are automatically entitled to it if you are in receipt of Tax Credits (not sure which type) over the basic level - or something like that. More details here.

Invisible how frustrating for you that they are expecting you to make a decision without being able to provide you with enough information to make that decision. A friend of mine had something not dissimilar the other day. She had a difficult birth last time (shoulder dystocia & ventouse delivery) and was told by a doctor after the birth that cs should definitely be a serious consideration next time. She's now 34 weeks pg and went to see the consultant about it and he just lectured her on how her "choice" to have a cs this time was not the easy option etc. and that nothing in her (inaccurate and incomplete) notes indicated that she needed one. He asked her who exactly told her she'd need a cs and of course you don't remember the name of every doctor, nurse & midwife who appears at your bedside. Then he started to say "well who would you rather believe, me or someone who probably has 2 years' experience?". When she challenged him and asked him how he could be so sure when he admitted that the notes were insufficient, he basically ushered her out of his office. She got her date in the end but felt like she'd been made to beg for something that in reality she would rather not have if she could be given some sort of real reassurance that it was likely to be safe to have a VB. Bloody doctors eh?

Good Morning Ladies!

Hope everyone is feeling better and enjoying the sunshine!

Sorry... can't make the meet-up tonight. I'm teaching an art class until 5:30. Wish I could come though. Would love to meet all of you and put faces with names.

Maybe I can make the lunch meet-up though.

The plumbers are here and putting in the new tub and shower! Hopefully they'll get it finished today.

Thanks for the info on books - agree about the house inside my mummy one - no info on what heppens next! Will have a look out for the others.

Email list: thanks to all who have emailed me, if anyone else would like to add their details to a Due in Dec list, please email me at personal not business at gmail dot com (no spaces). I thought I's send round a test email with the stats for everyone on the email list - let me know if you're happy with this. I'm thinking it will be esp useful for birth announcements: DH was happy with bunging a message off to an email list or two (it's a good idea to set up one for family and friends if you haven't already) but would not have been up for logging on to MN to do a birth announcement.

Meet-ups: can;t make tonight I'm afraid but the lunchtime one sounds good - I'll be another one with a toddler. Maybe they will amuse themselves? <vain hope>

INdith: am also finding DS very clingy and possessive at the moment. He wants to be carried everywhere, but we've negotiated hand-holding as an acceptable alternative. Funny as he's usually very independent and liable to take off for the wide open spaces given the opportunity.

Hi ladies- been a long time since last logged in. Hope everyone well. Can't believe how close to the big day we're getting.
Had a skim read of thread.
I can relate to the needing a wee all the time. I have found the only thing that helps is going swimming- after a swim i have the most long and refreshing wee ever. I actually look forward to that part even if it only happens once a week!

Indith I've been reading 'The New Baby' by Anne Civardi (Usborne First Experiences) with my DD who is now 27 months. It is about the Bunn family who are expecting DC#3. Granny and grandpa come to look after the children and mummy goes into hospital in the middle of the night, visiting mummy and new baby in hospital and homecoming. I have a feeling that you are having a homebirth so maybe not that appropriate for you. We also have the house inside my mummy book but as ChutneyMary says this is aimed more for explaining about pregnancy rather than the arrival of the baby. DD loves both books and often talks about her little brother comiing soon. She says he will need to have some breakfast and put a dressing gown on and then they can play together. Very cute but I think she may be in for a disappointment!

I'm up for secret stork, I'll keep an eye out for further instructions.

Just a quick one (again)....

I'm definitely up for the secret stork. How do we do it? Presumably we need people's addresses? I've sent my email to Effie but didn't include my address. Jam, it sounds great fun, more details please!

Books for toddlers - there's a very famous book called "there's a house inside my mummy" which is written by the purple ronnie man. It's OK about being pg but doesn't address what comes next, which is the harder part in my experience! Plus its language makes the gruffalo look like Shakespeare. I'd suggest "little Rabbit's new baby" by a chap called Harry Horse. The illustrations are lovely and the story much more resonant. The baby takes up all of mummy and daddy's time, cries a lot, can't play with little rabbit etc etc but little rabbit finds something he can do for the baby which no one else can and he grows to love it. Well, them, as there are 3 babies in there . It's a great book and the little rabbit series is charming. Poor Harry Horse and Mrs Horse had a very sad life though, so don't google him. I had to in order to find out if HH was his real name (it isn't) and got more than I bargained for .

THe sure start grant - i've never heard of this. How do you apply and is it means based? I asked the MW about the free fruit and veg thing incidentally and it's not available to all alas, only if you are eligible for certain benefits.

Have a good day everyone. I'm taking my 2 sickies out to either waitrose or lidl for a bit of light shopping. God I know how to live - the fast lane is nothing to me .

LONDON MEET UP TONIGHT

at 6.30 for a quick drink. Lady T asked me to post details -

The Heights Bar on 15th Floor of the St Georges Hotel at top of Regent Street. Great views sand comfy sofas. Just go to Oxford Circus tube cross over towards Top Shop and walk to top ofRegent Street - and hotel is on the right on corner of Mortimer Street. Map HERE.
Will try and reserve an area in bar.

Off to yoga. Laters.

Mine took all of 4 days to come through kayz so you should be fine

Have ordered everything I need to order now. Going to hang fire on pushchair and see how things go with ds but there is enough left from surestart and wedding list vouchers to get something if need be.

Oli I feel for you. Ds has just got over a bad sleep phase. Eventually worked out that a duvet made him happy. Odd child!

Those with small toddlers, how is it going getting them ready for it? We talk about it with ds, show him the baby in my belly etc but not sure how much he understands (he pokes my belly button and plays drums on the bump ). He is getting mopre possessive though, of me and other people touching me and of toys etc, he used to be fine with other kids snatching toys from him at toddlers etc now he takes their hands off and can get a bit rough if they persist.

Morning!!

I hope everyone is ok!!

I sent of the form for my sure start grant yesterday so I am really hoping that the money will come through next week. I still don't have the double pushchair or the baby car seat.

8 Weeks to go!!!!
MW told me yesterday that he is already head down!

Jam I think thats a great idea. I'm up for it!!

Morning girls!! DS woke up about 5 times last night...don't know whats got into him but it's got to get out before this one arrives!! I can't be doing that forever!!

Hope you are all ok. I'm feeling pretty good (if a little tired!).

Crazily excited about going to collect my buggy today...think I will be there before the shop actually opens!!!

I was right about sneaking out the door yesteray. My boss and team leader had already left for the day when I went round to say my goodbyes..that was nice wasn't it! Oh well...yah boo sucks to them!

I am going to make a big effort to try and keep up with you all more regularly from now on. Now I dont' have work time to sit for 3 hours catching up!!

Have a good day. Lots of love from me and minipop!

Evening all, have been to my book club tonight even though I completely forgot to read the book

Indith, I wouldn't worry too much about scraping the bumper, I put a big dent into the wing of our car because I didn't see or feel a post in the car park & kept on trying to reverse

turnip, pd & veggie, your posts have made me a little tearful. As I said before, I can't imagine even beginning to deal with something like alcoholism and the disappointment that comes with it.

I won't be able to make tomorrow night unfortunately. Dh isn't usually home until after 6pm & then it takes nearly an hour to get into London! I might be able to do the lunch, though I'd also have to bring along ds!

LadyT I was in Castle! A friend of mine had the room at the top of the gatehouse, was ace. We do have some good coffee places around here

Jam I'd be up for secret stork, sounds like fun! I love trying to find little presents for people.

This evening my pg brain has managed to make me kill a bottle of wine (amazing how many bits a cork will split into) and burn the butchers block by having it too close to the hob. Yesterday I mucked up parking the car and scuffed the bumper on a post. I should be banned from doing anything.

oh that was supposed to say my mums dad and sister.

PD & Turnip you have left me a little teary, my mums & sister were alcoholic, my aunt died from liver disease quite young and my mum has always been very anti alcohol i guess because of all this which i had understood. But what i hadn't really thought about was what she and my nan must have one through with Barney (thats what we called him). I think it will make me a little more accepting of some of her faults.

the secret Stork sounds cute, as long as whoever i get doesn't mind something bought online, i'm a bit crap at getting to the post office.

PD that work thing sounds crap i say take them all out for a coffee then explain that you are pregnant hormonal and if they don't pull their weight on this you will do something very unpleasant to sensitive parts of their anatomy.

DH did get to australia safely and is enjoying some lovely weather.

ladyT texted you.

poison your post really moved me. You say it's worse for me with my Dad - well it's six of one/half a dozen of the other...!!! It sounds very very tough that your Dad is only basically functioning and is so detatched from your life and your lovely DS. If you want to mail me at any stage I am siobhan at shive.co.uk to chat.

Would be good also to meet you tomorrow night if you can make it. Your work situation sounds a nightmare and makes no sense to put you in charge of this ramshackle team for a total of 12 days. You have to wonder....

veggie put your feet up girl after bathtime!

My DH is ON HIS WAY HOME! Shocker.

veggie - thanks for that - its good to know! Don't particularly want or need to push the subject yet, but it sounds like a chat to someone like that would be a good idea nearer the time. I also have a friend who recently had a vbac with no interventions and very happy with the outcome. Just want to make sure that I get a decent shot at it if I'm going to go for it.

I got my date

LadyT - we're having twins!!! I didn't register it was 'your' date too. I could have had either the Tuesday or the Thursday, but I thought the Tuesday would be better because I have a chance of being discharged at a weekend. Very odd booking your child's birthday, but also very cool!

I was planning to come tomorrow - and earlier suits me too - but I'm being thick and am not sure where Dean St is. I can do it if we're near Victoria otherwise I may have to pass as it will take me too long to get home.

Glad I'm not the only one with the freaky bladder situation going on. It drives me mental! I find it worst at work, when I have to nip into the loo between meetings... then compose myself for the next meeting and suddenly realise I REALLY HAVE TO GO. People must think something is very wrong with me as I must look quite pained a lot of the time.

Speaking of which the lovely Consultant gave me a prescription for some scary-sounding things for my bottom problem... I am hoping they do the trick as things are getting quite grim. Sorry TMI

oh i keep checking and then leaving it before i reply and then there are so many more posts i gonna put DS to bed then try to catch up later. We aew both shattered after some serious walking (me) and scooting (ds) today.

ZJ- same as others i think we swaddled for a couple of months, as long as you start giving them time on their belly form about 3 weeks i hardly think it can inhibit development. DS was swaddled and was walking at 11months. At first we swaddled pretty much all the time and then cut back depending on when he wanted it until it was only for sleeping at night. He also had a lot of his daytime sleeps on me or his bouncer thing.

right time for DS's bath.

invisible i know the head of the community midwifery team at the Free and also the head of women & children services who i think is still kind of the head of midwifery (although that may have changed) both are very nice although some of their midwives aren't that great i would see if you can have a chat to one of them even though you are consultant led. As if you have a VBAC the MW will still be with you for much of the labour, they may be able to shed more light on the subjec for you. I had a friend just had a VBAC and she very nearly had it as a homebirth but the baby was a little distressed so they transferred her to the hospital to be cautious and she had her gorgeous DD with only a episiotomy no other invasive monitoring or interventions.

Right then Turnip, 6.30 in Central London it is. I will be there even if it's just me! I hope Arti can be persuaded, and it would be lovely to see PD too, though I am aware that she lives quite far east, so I'm not sure. And did Verso say she may be able to make it? Though again, I know she lives SW and it may be too much. If no one can think of a location I will come up with one and also check with my club (assuming people think Dean St would be ok, though I think more than three of us is too many for me to sign in, in which case I will make some other suggestions). I will bravely put up my phone number again in case of emergency - 07795217915.

Invis - hold out for what you want, I say.

Turnip sorry to hear about your dad - read your post last night and spent the wee small hours thinking about it (yes I'm doing the insomnia thing too). It really struck a chord as mine's also an alcoholic. It must be 15 years since he's visited me - he wouldn't even have a clue where I live, never mind come and visit (well, he knows I live in London but that's it). Doesn't have a clue what I do for a living, gets my name wrong, told his wife it was my sister who was pregnant after I'd phoned to tell him the news, blah blah blah. Over the years I've got used to playing 2nd fiddle to the bottle but then you kind of have to relive it again when you have kids as you realise that they are never going to be a priority either and it hurts. Only time DS gets to see him is every few months for a 10 minute window just after 11am in the pub (cos it's the only time he's vaguely comprehensible - my dad that is, not DS!). DS hasn't a clue who he is and cries if he picks him up (and DS will go to anyone).

Sorry for being so heavy and sorry if I've made this a bit me me me but my sister's just phoned me & told me he has to be hospitalised - again. Just needed a rant. Anyway Turnip, I know that things are much harder for you because the thing that hurts most is the disappointment. I've learned to have no expectations of my dad and accept nobody can make him change, and that he's never going to play any meaningful part in my life or his grandchildren's - when it comes down to it we're just not as important as the drink. It's just anger and resentment that's left now (can you tell?) and to be honest that's so much easier to handle than what you must be feeling.

Hope that you and the DCs are able to get over the disappointment of this trip, and try not to feel guilty about any anger you might feel - yes alcoholism is an illness but it doesn't make your frustration any less valid. It does sound like your dad is capable of controlling himself at least some of the time though, so hopefully you'll be able to enjoy some good times with him in the future.

Oh and happy birthday to your DCs!

work whinges #272. Have just got back to the office after a 3-day course (and I agree with SummerLightning on this one - in my book training is the next best thing to a spa break in work terms) and they've only gone and put me in charge of a new team. This team consists of people who have been made redundant and are working out their notice so not the most motivated of staff - in fact 2 of them are being moved from client-facing roles at their manager's request as they are being so disruptive. I have never even met any of these people and we're expected to deliver a key piece of work which is pivotal to the success of the division. It's in another location, which probably means the best part of an hour each way - no more 2-minute walks to work, no putting my feet up at lunchtime (I know I know, it's what most of you have been doing from the start - indulge me). The thing is, I'm on a 3-day week from now until mat leave, which is mid-November, and have exactly 12 days in the office between now and then. What are they thinking? And this is the brainchild of my manager who told me to slow down on the amount of new work I'm taking on! I'm counting on the usual red tape, political wrangling and general incompetence that gets in the way of any kind of progress around here to save me from this one...

zj swaddling we liked. Didn't use it all the time but quite often - it really did help DS to sleep more soundly. Can't remember how long we used it for but it was way longer than you're supposed to (i.e. several months) - can't remember how exactly but it does kind of reach a natural conclusion. I must say I don't know if I like the sound of the swaddling blanket though - it sounds somehow a bit like a straitjacket (not that the baby would know the difference), but if you've been given one you might as well try it out. Dead easy to do with just a normal blanket though as some of the others have said.

Effie know what you mean about MN - this thread is nice & easygoing but it's a bloody jungle out there! Gets a bit self-referential as well (and WTF is all this MN royalty nonsense?), and interesting discussions can easily turn into borefests. Not good for the soul to spend too much time on it I reckon (unless it's work time of course). Anyway, good idea about the email list - will email you tonight.

Olipop - you lucky lucky lady.

Verso how did your appointment go? Get thee to the meet-up thread and sort us out.

LadyT - seems like there might be 3 or 4 of us so far. Will waddle over to the other thread and post there. And if you're a bore with your long posts what the hell does this post make me? (Seriously, MUST GO HOME).

Oh - and forget who was asking about swaddling but we have always been big swaddlers. IMHO really helps those first few weeks when babies wake themselves with their startle relex. I do it for a bout first 10-12 weeks.

Here is a good image of how to...swaddle picture

Sometimes its hard to get the right shaped / sized sheet. So we did buy two of the special swaddling blankets with velcro and they are great.

I remember with DD asking the midwife in hospital how to swaddle. She refused to show me on the basis that " we don't swaddle anymore because it inhibits gross motor development". Silly mare, wasn't quite planning on swaddling her til she was 18!

Thanks to all for kind words. Had a bit of a cry when my DH made it home - at 10.15 the poor bloke. He would have been home sooner, except he fell asleep on the train and missed his stop (bless - we are a right pair at the moment!). And what did I have ready for his supper? Some McCain oven chips.

I do feel sorry for my Dad - there is no doubt that he is miserable. This has been happening on and off all this year - and we knew he was in danger because he wasn't doing AA properly. My Sis and I have decided that it will be tough love, he can come over here again when he has done his 90 meetings in 90 days and got a Sponsor. It means he will miss Christmas here, but basically I can't tell my DC he is coming for him not to turn up for the third/fourth time.

Anyhow - it seems we are having a thread dip in spirits. I am counting my blessings as my best friend goes for her IVF implantation tomorrow. So lets all have a big smile for our lovely big, getting fatter day by day babies in there (even though they are giving is all insomnia, frequent wees, heartburn, spd, weepiness, tough days at work/at home with DCs!!! and we are of course allowed to moan!)

invisible at the clueless Registrar. So annoying when they start a discussion they aren't equipped to really finish. Grrr. You do what you need to do. Didn't know that about the RFree vbac rates.

oli well done on starting mat leave. enjoy, and all the deliveries!

chutney feel bad for you and your DD hope all improves as soon as poss.

verso awaiting your Delivery Date!

WG sorry you were sad and up in the middle of the night. Hugs to you and heres to a better night tonight!

effie - mailed you!

zoe thanks for your lovely post birth buddy. It is like xmas here at the mo!

*LadyT and Arti* I could make a 6.30 central london meet up. Let me know.

Had M/w appt today. Babyturnip is still breech but still has plenty of time to turn!
Good evening to y'all!

just poppping in no idea where the time goes. Will do a proper post later well if I remember.

I am up for lunch but I have to bring DS with me might give you all a shock at seeing a fully grown quite bonkers toddler.

Who was doing emails up for that too.

Also do we want to do a secret stork type of thing. We did this on DS's postnatal thread. We agree on a limit say a tenner and then send an appropriatly lovely baby or mummy pressie. We did it for chrimbo last yr with some fun consequences as we all now each other v well there was some take that calenders floating around and I got some top gear top trumps as I have a little obsession with The Stig.

Oh and those worrying about anonimity (sp?) etc it is just like fight club. I bet you find that some if us end up being quite good RL friends.

Jollybear - will definitely try to see the consultant next time! In fact, I wasn't even planning to have the discussion today - doc started it, but in those circumstances, you'd hope she would know what she was talking about...

Beans yip I'm another one getting really annoyed at having to go to the loo 2 mins after having apparently emptied my bladder - no matter how long I sit to make sure it is all out I still need to go almost immediately afterwards and it is for a dribble ! I figured the baby was quite literally taking the p!ss out of me by waiting until I got back to bed then releasing the final drop

Sorry I cross posted with everyone there! I must remember not to go off and put my tea on whilst I'm halfway through writing a post.

turnip I'm really sorry you are having a hard time with your Dad. I can't offer any words of wisdom except that if he managed to stay on the wagon for 20 years before then there sounds like there is a good chance of him sorting things out.

waiting It is awful not being able to sleep . I hope things are better tonight.

chutney Your poor DD. Glad things are improving.

<<<hugs>>> for emma and anyone else feeling a bit low.

invisible How very frustrating! Maybe you should ask to speak to a consultant. Hopefully they should know what they are taking about.... I'm sure they do!

DH is out tonight so I'm making myself M&S crispy bake, chips and peas - I love them

Oh and chutney - so glad to hear your DD is on the mend.

Oh yes beans, all the time! SL I just cannot go to sleep without a couple of trips - just to make sure .

I asked at the hospital (I was worried in case it was a bladder infection or something, duh!) and apparently it is because the baby is sometimes laid on your <struggling to find the right words> bladder pipe but once you have had a wee there is more room for the baby to move so it shifts off the pipe, you then feel like you need to wee but in reality there isn't that much there. I hope that makes sense!

It is damned uncomfortable that's for sure!

Hello all - sorry for those that are feeling fraught! I think it just starts to get on top of you at this point (or me anyway)

Turnip - many happy returns to your DCs. Must be so disappointing about your Dad - for everybody really. Not much constructive to say other than hoping for the best for you all.

LadyT - you are a very brave lady to be doing driving lessons at this stage - much tougher and more exhausting than work IMO!

Beans and SL - I know what you mean about work! Feel the same here. Aiming to work till 38 weeks and am totally lacking in motivation, whatever is going on. Was flat out until the end of last week and unreasonably tired, now have not much to do and am unreasonably bored. So no pleasing me at the moment...

Olipop - enjoy the leave!!!

WG - those dark moments in the middle of the night are really rubbish. Not fair when you can't sleep through them.

Indith - Enjoyed your tales! I don't think I dare look, much less persuade DH to!

effie - will mail you

All fine here, had a pointless morning at the hospital to see the docs and get bloods done. Can't get any sense from them re what to do for the birth. Doc (registrar, never met before) decides to initiate elective cesarian section versus regular birth discussion. She tells me (supposedly reassuringly) that they monitor very closely if you've had a section before. So ask if the monitoring doesn't interfere with mobility and chances of a successful outcome? So she back tracks and tells me that she doesn't know what the monitoring policy is in the hospital (!?) I ask some questions about the pitifully low success rate for VBACs at the Royal Free (less than 20% and well below national average). The only explanation she can offer is that a lot of women change their minds and go for the section. (Does that mean the women of north London are particularly feeble???) Anyway, no sense there. Left feeling that I really don't know what to do. Would much rather have a VBAC for practical reasons like being able to handle DD after the birth, but hardly seems much point trying if its all so half hearted and my chances of getting one are pathetically slim. Ultimately, was totally OK with a section last time, so it wouldn't really phase me, but I just found the whole thing so irritating! Sorry to rant, just had to let off steam somewhere.

You are not at all Ladyt I got a nice distraction from work with your big post!

I know Beans, I'm a bore aren't I? I always let me fingers run away with me.

Arti, don't be paranoid. I am the most determined secret keeper in the whole of the capital. Just like Fight Club, what goes on in MN stays in MN! I won't breathe a word to him. Besides which, I want to feel free myself to say whatever I like on here without fear of RL reprisal - cos that's sort of the point, isn't it? I am amazed you know who I am because I am far too dumb to think who you might be, though I have probably met you at one of DR's parties over the years. Ironically, if I'd checked all my email addresses instead of just one, I'd have seen his email and would've been at the recording on Tues. Aww, come out for early drinks tomorrow night, do. I want to meet somewhere central anyway (ideally), if I've got to be at Padders by 8.30.

beans yep!! Most annoying. Can't go for a big wee directly before bed as otherwise just before dropping off will get the urge to go for the 2 drips wee and won't be able to sleep until I have!

Wow LT - BIG POST!

Does anyone else find that they can go and have a really satisfying pee, then the minute they get back to their desks/away from loo generally, then need another one straight away. THEN if I give into that urge, which is usually quite pressing, only about 2 drips come out? Oops, TMI, but still...

LadyT - It was D.R! How strange that he is a friend of yours. He is a very good friend of my oldest friend and I have got to know him very well over the years. Hmmmm. Now I am feeling weird as I always get paranoid about MN/RL cross-over. Nobody in RL knows I come on here. Shall we agree not to tell him we know each other from here? (I have suddenly figured out who you might be - I was too thick to even start to figure that out before).

Maybe I should drop the paranoia and come to a meet-up... I could do tomorrow night if it were very central and early. I am still at work on 19/11 so I couldn't do a lunchtime meet then.

Hello girls, I think we are all getting a bit fraught. Hmmm. I didn't bargain for feeling like this. How naive can you get!

PoisonD - is it just us who are up for tomorrow night (ie Friday?) What I was thinking was that I could do a compromise, ie go to the country tomorrow night but get a much later train (there's one about half eight) and meet at 6ish for early drinks or supper. I appreciate you might not want to do it if it's just me but if you do I belong to a private members' club in Soho and we could go there. However, if the group is much bigger, that might not be an option as I think I can only sign in a max of two guests. I must find out and will post on the meet up thread. Lunch on the 19th - hmm-kay, though I am having my cs on Tues 25th Nov so that's about the limit for me.

Speaking of which - Verso, did you get your cs date today?:

Turnip - I'm just really sorry for you. It must be incredibly disappointing to say the least. I also feel a tiny bit sorry for your Dad though, as I bet he feels really down on himself. I wish I had something clever or useful to say, but I can only send you a ton of sympathy...and I really do.

WG - I've said it before, those dark thoughts in the night SUCK. Two things have helped me with them recently though. 1. Get a notepad and write down everything that's bothering you, right there and then. Put it down and resolve to deal with it all in the morning. When you read it back, it will either seem out of proportion, OR you can take a tiny step towards doing something to alleviate them. Anyway, 2. when you do get back into bed, imagine you are somewhere else. Come up with a fantasy (you are in a cosy nest underground, or up a tree, or on an island - ANYTHING. Force yourself to focus on it and it will be comforting and will clear your mind, enabling you to drop off.

Beans and SL - I'd be grumpy and tired if I was still at work too. I certainly feel grumpy and pretty furious learning to drive. Even sitting in chair has the capacity to make mne feel uncomfy and cross, tbh. Be kind to yourselves.

Arti - Music therapy? That can surely only be Mr D.R.? If so, he's a pretty good friend of mine. How weird!

Veggie - night vomits? It's a new one on me, sounds ghastly! Your poor thing!

Oli - enjoy the maternity leave. Hope it's a bit more relaxing than mine! 15 months, hey? Wowzers!

Effie - I am far too thick to imagine how an email mailing list works, but count me in. I will email you on that address. I too haven't been looking on MN much now I am not at work, this is the only thread I look at. I think my blood pressure has definitely gone down as a result

Indith, I have a little mate who has just gone up to Durham to do his Law degree. He's at Univ, so in the castle bit (v nice). I will visit him at some stage, probably early next year, so perhaps we can have coffee then.

My John Lewis delivery arrived yesterday - oh yay! So exciting! I now own a bugaboo and all sorts of other bits and pieces - hurray!!!!

NOT FAIR
I am dozing at my desk today.

oooh and just had an email saying that my feeding chair will also arrive tomorrow! Is it a conspiracy!!! I think I may have got the one you were talking about Rosemerta.

I know - I am sorry!! If it's any consolation, being a 'scumbag part timer' people have barely noticed so I don't think I'll be getting much of a send off....more like a sneak out the door.

Very excited...going to buy my double buggy tomorrow...that feels like accepting that there is actually going to be somethign to put in it! I still haven't got my head around that!

Oh you lucky lucky beggar OLI - I'm sooooooo jealous ! Lucky you! SOB!

Oh lordy...I have just read solidly for about 3 hours!!!!! And have just caught up!!! I am not going to do a massive post just say hello to everyone and send out comfortable, happy vibes and hope you are all ok.
I've had a bit of night waking too but nowhere near as bad as the first time.

Now I probably shouldn't rub this in but I finish work in 55 minutes!!!!!! Thats it....for 15 months...can't bloody believe it!

So I'll be up for the 19th Nov...Effie, I'll email you too.

Glad dh caused amusement

Turnip so sorry about your dad

WG and other insomniacs I hope things improve. FIngers crossed for sleep tonight.

Kayz, Beans and others struggling at work. How do you do it? Respect to all. I'm shattered enough and at least I can sit the boy down in front of cbeebies and put my feet up. Not that I do that, ever. I am a good mother and would never use tv to get time off <<is afraid of getting thrown off MN for child neglect>>

ZJ I swaddled ds a fair bit when he was small, not for daytime sleep as he just slept on me but at night. It did help him settle as the startle reflex wakes them up when they are little. I have some fleece swaddles but to be honest a cot sheet or something is just as good if not better. this is useful for how to do it

My surestart grant came through kind of odd getting it this time as we have a pretty good income but if the powers that be say we can have it then it is welcome.

To return to purple cauliflowers, and with a TMI warning....those of you with experience of them, I know that unless they are very, very bad it is fine for labour etc but what about sex? A lot of friction going on there......not that I am up for it at all at the moment but if I were.....Last time around I was jumping on dh every 5 seconds even when I was overdue and not just to get the baby out!

at londoners with their meetups. You sure none of you lives oop north and close to Durham?

veggie/rosmerta the swaddling blanket I've got is one of those with flaps and velcro and stuff - supposedly in all the right places, but it looks darned complicated! But my Mum has since dug out the (normal) blanket she swaddled me in. I think I will try it, once I get the hang of folding and wrapping, if babyZJ doesn't like it I'll just unwrap him/her again. Thanks for the advice

Veggie - how long did you swaddle your DS for? Is it just for the first few weeks (assuming babyZJ does like it)? And did you do it everytime he went for a sleep? See - you've unleashed a barrage of questions now!! (sorry)

Sounds great Beans although I think we'll be wandering VERY slowly by then!

yay! let's do it! 19th No at CJ - brilliant!

I haven't had a date in years!

We can wander slowly up to Banana Leaf or something on Battersea Rise! Hurray!

can i come?! I finish work next friday so can do lunch almost any time after that!

Ooooh I would love to join a lunchtime meet-up! How about Weds 19th Nov?

I can usually do Wednesdays as I'm off that day (ML doesn't start till the 10th Dec)

Beans, it's a date! Let's do lunch! (always wanted to say that....) Mondays and Wednesdays best for me as I have the girls the other days and they do rather get in the way of conversation, lovely as they are.

Must go off and do some chores now or DD2 will be awake and i'll have been gossiping for 2 hours without having achieved anything. Oops.

Have emailed you Effie

Chutney - I'd definitely be keen for a lunchtime one as of 17th November (am on mat leave from 7th, but then going away for most of the following week) - and around Clapham Junction would be fab for me! Yes please!

oh you just reminded me sometimes having rice milk with Calcium helps. I don't like drinking cows milk straight, i managed it last time by put nesquik in but since i'm now anti-nestle it's a bit tricky but have discovered the rice milk so will have some now, thanks for reminding me.

we are off for a walk in the Autumn sun. DS has gymnastics this afternoon so we are going to walk there and do some errands on the way.

Hello girls

Big sympathy to everyone feeling rotten at the moment. I think tears, panic, insomnia etc are all par for the course in late pg. Big love to WG - middle of the night is a very bad time to feel low. Hope you feel a bit better today.

I know how it is to be struggling with work Beans and SL - I'd count the number of days left (exc weekends as it's fewer!) and then cross them off. Or put a quid in a jar for each day you get through and then you'll have a fund to buy yourself a nice treat at the start of mat leave!

Turnip - huge sympathies to you my love, I know from experience how difficult it can be to deal with that sort of problem. Is there anything we can do to help?

ZJ- I've not tried swaddling, but both of my girls were summer babies so less need. I'd recommend the sleeping bags though if the swaddling doesn't work for any reason.

Veggie - poor you with your heartburn. I've heard that sipping a glass of cold milk can help. Have you heard that DH has arrived safely? He'll be back before you know it.

Effie - will email you. I tend to stick to this thread and the 10 years younger one, so don't really get caught up in the politics of the rest of it.

LadyT - I was a pants driver and avoided it for years. However, if you can bear it, it will make such a difference to your life. I'm sorry you are feeling a bit lonely in the week as well. My DH does not get home til at least 8.30pm and with all the financial market stuff going on of late, he's not been home til after I've gone to my bed. When are you moving to the country?

If everyone is struggling in the evening, would the london girls fancy a daytime lunch or something? I could do Clapham Junction for the southerners, or venture into town if the N London girls can face it as well. It'd be great to put a few faces to names in advance of the big day.

Hope you all have a good afternoon. I'll be back later to see how everyone is.

wg sorry about your lack of sleep, hope you get a good night tonight

turnip sorry about your dad, I have no experience of that, can only imagine how hard and upsetting it is to deal with along with everything else.

veggie have to say the tube skirt is working really well so far. I've used it for 2 nights and while turning over is still a struggle, my hips aren't hurting as much & my pelvis isn't clicking each time I move either.

zj we did try swaddling with ds but he wasn't keen on it, he would wriggle his way out of it somehow! Its always worth trying though, we will give it another go this time around

effie will email you once yahoo decides to work again!

Sorry if I've missed anyone, hope you're all feeling a little better [hugs]

there you go Effie

Effie I think a mailing list is a good idea. Will email you.

Sorry for everyone having a bad time at the moment. Turnip: must be so frustrating seeing your father take one step back on this . WG: hope your DH woke up and gave you some TLC.

Not much to report here, busy at work so trying to keep up with posts! Can't make meet-up tonight, but woul dbe up for another weekend N London thing if anyone is interested. Evengins are not good for me atm, all I want to do is head home and curl up on the sofa with DH and a DVD.

I was thinking, as some people's due dates are approaching fast (some of us have longer to wait, gah), would anyone be interested in an email list? TBH a lot of MN is annoying me at the moment so I'm on less than usual, and I know once I'm on ML DS will be taking up most of my attention so computer time will be severely limited. I don;t want to lose touch though, so maybe email would be easier for major stuff like birth announcements (eek!).

I'm happy to co-ordinate if you want to send me your addresses (no need to add RL names or details if you'd prefer not to). You can email me at personal not business at gmail dot com (no spaces). If you're wondering about the address, it's a Godfather reference that seemed like a good idea at the time but is a bugger to type out!

hey Rosemerta how did your tube skirt go lastnight?

ZJ when you say swaddling blanket do you mean a baby blanket that you wrap the baby up tight in? I wrapped DS up tight, doing it was trick i learnt a work but it's not that hard to do with any blanket you just sort of fold it in at different angles so that they are all tight and snug like in the womb, your MW can show you. DS loved it but i have heard some babies not liking the confinement so best to wait and see what the baby likes.

Hi All,

Must be something in the air today here is another me me me post. I am feeling pathetically emotional for no apparent reason.

Think a little walk in the sun at lunch might help cheer me up and I might pick up some choc too.

SL be careful of dodgy drivers, i can't believe your still able to cycle for both my pregnancies i had to stop quite early as it could bend forward comfortable to the handle bars esp on my road bike. Even for my commuter bike which i had the handle bars raised to accommodate DS's front mounted child seat i still felt really uncomfortable, i think i must have really low babies.

kayz congratulations on getting the house, and it sounds like you can move so quickly, you must be over the moon. Hurrah!

arti your scare sounds nasty, but pleased to hear that all the swelling etc went away again quickly

reban that chat with DP sounds like it was worthwhile and you sound to have come to a good decision. And hopefully this means you can enjoy the job more as well if you are more relaxed about it.

rosmerta glad to hear you’re feeling more positive, and hoping that bandage helps.

indith your poor DH trying to be tactful about your nether regions. Was sort of tempted to check mine out, but I think that ignorance is maybe bliss!

ladyt pleased that yesterday’s driving went better. I’m really impressed that you’re doing the course, as the concentration and the sitting for so long would have beaten a weaker person (ie me), so I’m sending lots of passing vibes to you.

verso hope todays appt with the consultant goes well – have you got a date?

turnip happy birthday to your DC’s – both in one week, it must be like Christmas in your house this! And rather like what Christmas will be like in both our houses, my due date buddy, if these ones arrive on time. I’m sorry to hear about your Dad, it must be so hard for families to have to deal with – and what to say to your DC who were probably looking forward to seeing him? Can’t offer anything but sympathy, but it sounds hard for you.

wg I hope you got some more sleep. I always end up having a bad day if I’ve had a bad night’s sleep, is the best thing for you and the worst thing if you don’t get enough. How did Margaret Thatcher manage on just 4 hours? Crazy lady!

sl sounds scary with that bus driver – definitely report him. I read something in the paper yesterday about an old lady who’d got on the train with the wrong ticket and the guard had insisted she pay and extra £100 or something, so someone stood up for her, but didn’t get anywhere so had a whip round in the carriage and everyone gave a pound and they covered her ticket. But instead of the ticket inspector accepting this, he called the police and reported him for begging. I hope that bus driver gets locked up with the nasty train guard and they annoy each other for ever more.

Never even thought of taking a first aid course, but it seems such a good idea, especially after the frightening situations some of you have been in. Thanks all for the prompt on that one

Can I pick the brains of the mummies out there? I’ve been given a swaddling blanket from someone and I’m quite keen to give it a go – but I can’t seem to find much info about swaddling, so I wondered if any of you tried it with your DC’s, and what you, and they, made of it? I guess it like routines, bf-ing, etc, and whatever suits both the baby and the parents – but very interested to hear from those who loved it and those who hated it! Thanks

I got some Gaviscon from the MW, I'm really hoping it will help.

The MW has also said that if after my week off next week I'm still struggling at work she wants me signed off sick.

Oh dear, whinge whinge.

turnip sorry, that sounds awful. Don't really know what to say, but hope your dad sorts himself out soon.

waitinggirl I was awake then and also having a little cry but in bed, a shame I didn't turn my computer on and we could have had a moan together. Am tired today, and totally utterly sick of work and idiots here. Can't wait to finish but have 7 weeks to go, and intend to keep going until then, as am doing alright tiredness-wise etc, just sick of people and demotivated. Will not go into it as a) it's boring and b) i will get upset again.
Oh and also I got cut up badly by a stupid bus driver on my cycle to work. Made me angry as he slammed his window shut and ignored me when I told him what he had done. Am going to complain as I got his reg number. Basically he just overtook me with just enough space at the front of the bus as the road narrowed and as the back of the bus came past me it came closer and closer to me, making me very scared and forcing me to brake. Fortunately didn't hit me. Bloody idiot, and most p*ed off with his rude response when I tried to tell him what he did.

veggie sorry about heartburn. Mine has strangely got better since I had a whinge about it on here (still get it though). Hopefully work and crappy drivers will get better too now I have had a whinge about them!

beans don't you find training days a nice time for a relax though?! you are right it is stupid, and I guess it's not relaxing if you know you could be getting other things done. Just think of 3 weeks to go. I have 2 weeks to go until I start doing 4 day weeks with my annual leave and that is keeping me going!

oh WG you poor thing, i feel so sorry for you but have to admit had a little giggle at the cheeky 'arse' at the end of your post. Did your DH wke up in the end.

well i guess my night wasn't as bad as all yours, i managed to get a fairly decent sleep but did have a middle of the night vomit again. I don't know what is going on. I did have lae pregnancy vomits with DS but they were usually after my breakfast, I'm thinking of having my dinner with DS today to see if that helps. At the moment i eat between 7-8pm which i didnt think was that late but obviously with the dodgy heartburn and laying down at night it is all conspiring to make me lose my dinner. Kayz i know what you mean about the heartburn, i am alternating between gaviscon & the homeopathis remedy i am on but i still seem to have it constantly. I was going to get an appointment this morning to see if the GP can prescribe something else to help but to get appointments you have to ring them at 8am, and of course i slept intil 8.30 (bless little DS was very tired after waking up with a big wet at 4am) so i missed the tie to get an appointment.

sorry that was a it of a long one.

Beans use the training today to catch up on sleep.

I'm afraid I'm going to have a bit of a whinge now...

I am so sick of work! People are absolutely piling it onto me and I'm so bloody tired and dont' feel like I can get it all done before I go. I physically can't work long hours as I get soooo tired and I just wish people would give me a break. Sick of it. Plus I'm having to go to training today for a system that is being installed when I've left. It's such a waste of my time as I'm going in 3 weeks and won't remember any of it after a year on maternity leave. Grrrr!

Sorry, me me me.

WG - I hope you're feeling a bit better this morning. Turnip - Poor you, must be so frustrating for you - especially after 40 years of no drinking. Thinking of you both.

xx

wg you have my sympathy. It appears you also have my insomnia, as despite DD waking me at 3am for some water I managed a good night's sleep for once! Insomnia is v common in 3rd tri - I find the baby is usu v active 2am-4am. I know that doesn't help but hope it reassures you to know you're not alone <hug>. Btw sorry for abbrevs - on phone on way to work.

Morning,

Sorry about your dad Turnip, I hope that he does manage to sort himself out soon.

wg I'm sorry you are not sleeping very well. I've been waking up once during the night and then waking really early.

I'm at the MW at 9, I'm really hoping she'll be able to give me something for my heartburn. Its getting really bad now and I'm just fed up with it.

I'm really struggling at work now. I'm only doing 4 hour shifts 3 times a week but they are really taking it out of me. I'm meant to be working until 37 weeks but I might have to have a talk with my boss about finishing earlier.

I hope everyone is ok.

turnip - i'm so sorry about your dad. i have no experience of this, but it sounds awfully difficult. i know what you mean about the injustice of the person who would really have enjoyed your child not being there anymore - my mum died, too, and she/we would have had a ball now. as it is my dad, bless him, barely manages to ask if everything is all right with me and bump when i speak to him. he doesn't mean badly, just doesn't know what to say apart from the basics.

now feeling doubly sorry for myself. weeping downstairs in the kitchen hoping dh doesn't hear, yet secretly hoping he will, but the poor thing has to leave in 1.5 hours time, so he deseves some sleep.

arse.

am up. it is 4.53am. been awake since 2.19am. on monday i only had 2 hours sleep. last night was so tired i slept for 8 hours uninterrupted wihtout even moving. i seem to get one night's good sleep, one night's appalling sleep.

is this what 3rd trimester is like?

feeling v sorry for myself.

Turnip i'm sorry to hear that, are you ok, will you DH be home soon.

I'm watching that Jamie's ministry of food i recorded it last night. It is amazing that people not only do not know how to cook but that they don't cook for their kids. I feel a bit bad if i rely on fish fingers but won't feel so bad now. I guess we are lucky that DH and i both love cooking and i hope that our boys cook too. Feeling a bit emotional and some bits are making me cry.

really quick one as totally exhausted at moment, due to work and both my Dc having birthdays this week (DD is 5 today and DS is 3 on saturday). By coinidence I do actually look 41 weeks pregnant...and I feel it....but do in fact have 10 weeks to go aaaargh.

Rosmerta you have my sympathies on the SPD, it is shocking and has made my mind up for me about DEFO stopping at no.3. That grinding/clicking at night is awful. I hope things are better for you otherwise.

ladyT hope you are feeling better - it must be hard being on your own mon-fri. My Dh doesn't get home til 9 or 10 most nights, but at least I might get a couple of words out of him at that point. Best of luck with the driving!

Indith - hilarious on the cauliflower bits. Like others, no WAY am I having a look down there. I dread to think....

Kayz super news about the house. Brilliant!

arti hope you are feeling better too.

verso am envious of you getting your date tomorrow - great!

Sorry this is probably half a mega-post, so will have forgotten people.
I have m/w appointment and cranial osteopath tomorrow and then really have to try and get some rest as have been totally overdoing it and reaping the rewards.

My Dad was supposed to be coming from Ireland today for DD and DS's birthday and he just didn't show up - rang to say he had fallen off the wagon (fourth time this year after 20 years on the wagon - as a result he has not seen his grandchildren since last xmas). Really really upset me as we had nice things planned - and also, my Mum who died when my DD was 1 would have given her right arm for an extra year with her grandchild(ren) - and he has just wasted an entire year...

Anyway, what a downer. Hoping my DH comes home soon as a bit sobby and hormonal.

Thanks the kind words. DD much better today but still quite poorly so I won't be able to come out on Friday. Shall we try for one more before we all pop?

Will try (and probably fail!) to do a catch up post tomorrow.

Take care girls.

"Purple cauliflowers" YIKES! - I haven't looked so far and I'm definitely not going to now!!!!

Quick post to say I'm seeing the consultant tomorrow and should get my c/s date. Very spooky. I'm 33 weeks tomorrow and given that they usually do them around 39 weeks it means I ONLY HAVE SIX WEEKS LEFT!!!

Rosmerta - sorry to hear about your SPD. Not what you need when you are feeling down. I hope it starts to ease soon. I was referred to a physio when I started to get pelvic pain and she has helped soo much.

Indith - and at your DH's comments about your lady bits. I would have given him a good slap!

LadyT - sorry to hear you are feeling undersupported. I hope your DP gives you a lovely night out. The recording I was at was nothing high profile and nobody famous -it was for a new R4 show doing based on the idea of music therapy (its funnier than it sounds!)

I bow down to Indith and Rosmerta's posting ability. I just can't compete. DH is at pilates tonight (he is such a girl!) so I am off to boil some pasta and choose some crappy TV.

Hiya everybody,

Been keeping up with you all but not had chance to post for ages - was hoping to do an Indith/rosmerta-style megapost, but I'm afraid I'm going to have to abandon as I wouldn't know where to start. Did want to say quickly welcome back kayz & LadyT (and everyone else who hasn't been around for a while). Also sorry to hear about all the various hassles, health-related or otherwise, that a lot of us are having to be putting up with lately - it's turning into a bit of a bumpy ride for some isn't it? Hope you're all getting the support you need from here & elsewhere.

Okay well just before I pop off again having contributed precisely nothing to the conversation, just wanted to see if there is still any interest in meeting up this Friday. I'm up for it but not sure if many of us have signed up ... this way to the thread.

Hi girls (and bumps) ...I haven't read anything at all since last Friday and need to catch up but I just wanted to say hello. I'll try and catch up at work tomorrow...hope you are all ok x

wow indith incredible post!

Hello everyone,

I got into a gloom last night. I just feel like I need more emotional support from DP than I am getting. He's not really the emotional type and I know he does his best, but being on my own in the week, I just need him to step it up a bit. Anyway, he must have got the message because he is driving down to see me tonight for a night out in London. And to fix my broken bed. I don't want him talking about work though, as he has just been given a brief to defend someone for death by dangerous driving which is not what I want to hear about. (Driving was a bit better today, thanks for all the support!)

Anyhoo - enough about me.

Kayz - HURRAH! What smashing news!
Arti - what was the show? (nosey emoticon)
JollyB - thank you for your kind words
Rosmerta - glad you are a tad brighter but sorry you are struggling with the SPD
Indith - I don't look too clever down there either but it's just here and there. I am hoping they go away afterwards. Er...that' what the books say but I am a little sceptical.

Oh indith! What a thing for your DH to say.

<Round of applause> for indith and rosmerta's massive posts!

Oh and a belated happy birthday to mibbes. Sorry I forgot to say before Bad Jollybear.

indith - priceless quote from your dh on seeing down below. laughed lots. thanks

Kmp, Jolly etc with sections. How terrifying yet really exciting to have date confirmation already/looming!

Oli you must have finished work now no? Hope you are enjoying the mat leave.

NHS classes- mine were crap last time, heard great things about NCT ones, would have loved to have had the chance to do them.

Beans your sister is being way too gloomy. Anyway first months can be so sociable, tis when babies get big enough to get bored of sitting in cafes while mums eat cake that it gets harder!

ZJ your dh will be a fine birth partner. Mine is so squeamish but he was great.

perineal massage. I did some half heartedly and didn't tear...don't know if that is relevant at all

WG can I have your dh please? I want breakfast and papers in bed!

Mibbles, hope the baby turns. Depending on the experience of your MW though breech doesn't always have to end in section.

Kayz I forbid all counting down of weeks.

LT wonderful to have the bursary and something so lasting in your dh's honour, you must be so happy and proud of him.

Rosmerta glad you are feeling better about things now.

Arti take care of yourself, glad results were ok from the scare you had but do take care

Indith by the way is the name of a bat from a Robin Jarvis book. I have never encountered another one online so if you meet one elsewhere, tis probably me.

Hatty glad you have concrete answers and can be prepared and that emergency measures for childcare etc are falling into place. You sound positive

Jam I want to see the rest of the bag contents. Hair straightners! Bless you

Rosmerta am very of Ina May Gaskin.

Kim hope the shower is sorted!

Veggie yay for sling finding

at nesters. There is so much left to do in this house and I really want it done but need help from dh for big things.

Seem slike we are all much in the same place re emotional outbursts, worries about money, space etc. Nice to know in a way.

Mibbles you are never ready to be a parent, just bumble along.

X mas outfit tempting but with ds being 2 weeks late I fear it wouldn't get used.

Nursing bras fitted at 37 weeks, go somewhere good with experience at guessing how much space you will need. You'll prob find though that after a couplk eof months things settle and you may want to get fitted again.

LT you are so brave learning to drive! With my pg brain I hate doing it at the moment I keep doing daft things. Not dangerous yet but it scares me.

Chutney hope dd1 is ok

Reban growth scan is good, hope you are feeling ok

Kayz yay for house!

SL Homebirht rocks, go for it!

Enchanted read what I said to Kayz about counting down weeks!

Is that it? HAve I missed anything major?

Love to all. Off to get changed for Rainbows and Guides.

Last night I decided to get a mirror out and do something about my bikini line. Apparently I have no labia. Instead I have purple cauliflowers. Dontcha just love being pg? Dh saw them too. "F*cking hell Indith get to the Dr, God if my bits looked like that I'd want to see a Dr, F*ck me keep it away, do you think it's catching?" pause "you are beautiful you know"

Think I should tell him they are varicose veins or leave him thinking I have a purple monster taking over my nether regions?

Off to read and catch up now, if I don't return send out a search party to around a gazillion posts back

hatty glad you're feeling a little better and a bit more organised. Try to take it a little easy, which is easier said than done I know!

beans you're not being spoilt at all! Ikwym about seeming to row a lot. Dh & I are arguing more than usual as well. I think its a mixture of us being emotional & them being worried about the baby coming, it just comes out as other stuff if that makes sense. We just try to make sure we say sorry & not to go to bed angry or upset.

mibbes happy belated birthday! It was mean of your SIL to say something like that. I don't understand why pregnant women seem to be fair game for rude comments!

zj glad you found your scan pictures!

missmama nice of you to pop in, hope you're ok

sl you're right about clothes with labels & no receipts. We changed lots of ds's stuff for larger sizes or got vouchers so we could get clothes later in the year

chutney sorry to hear about your dd, is she any better now?

veggie how are you getting on without dh? Ikwym about worrying about something happening, I worry when dh takes ds to his mum's and they're only about 1hr away!

kayz I like the name you've chosen, that's lovely! Congratulations on the house as well, that's fantastic news!

Arti we're finding it harder this time around to choose a name as well. We've got a girl's name, Erin Theresa, but cannot choose a boy's name at all other than the middle name (James).

reban glad to hear the scan went well. It's understandable that you feel so wobbly given you've got so much on atm. You know you can always come & moan to us!

ladyt I have indeed been lurking but am feeling much better, thanks! I feel for you with 3hr driving lessons, I had the same. Left me exhausted & I wasn't even pg! But that was my fourth set of lessons & I passed!

Finally had to give in & see the midwife yesterday re SPD. Its got so much worse as the baby's moved down, I can't roll over at night and my pelvis keeps clicking. So I now have this incredibly sexy tube bandage to wear at night to help support my pelvis! Dh thinks I look like a mummy wrapped up in it! But hopefully it will help.

i think St Johns ambulance do one where you can get a group of mums together and the will do a group. Also there are some companies that specialize in infant & child emergency first aid. Def worth doing, choking s so common in kids as they want to put everything in their mouth as much as you can keep your household environment as clear of these things as possible it is difficult to be completely sure they won't get something stuck in there. Most important though is whatever happens call an ambulance before you do anything else even if whatever it is becomes dislodged they always come v.fast for child emergencies, and also in some cases while the ambulance is on the way the operator can tell you what to do.

Hurray kayz great news on the new house

Am also at these stories of choking - must find a first aid course ASAP.

Oh kayz - that's ace news - hurray!

Gosh, all these scary incidents make me want to do a first aid course - what a good idea! How terrifying for you all.

Hi all thanks for all the messages of support i am a bit more in control of emotions today. Me and Dp had a talk last night and he doesnt want me to take the job if its gonna make me feel so bad ... but i am going to do it, just probably not until 39 weeks. I will start on monday and warn them it is more likely i will have to finsih at 37 weeks which will be end of nov. So even though those few weeks will be hard at least i will have a job to go back to afterwards .. and also a few more rights with negotiating flexible hours.

kimberley i have just bought spatone from boots as my iron is low .. its on 3 for 2 at the mo so good time to stock up.

kayz your wine gum experience sounds very scary. We had similar incident last year with ds1 when he was just 2. He was playing with a two pence coin when i lay him dowm to change his nappy. It was only when he started gagging i realised he had put the coin in his mouth without me noticing and it was lodged. I reached in and realised it was stuck so panicked. DP was taking DD to school and i didnt know what to do so i phoned an ambulance. Luckily that turned out to be the best thing, because a two pence coin is the exact size of a toddler's windpipe, the ambulance was with us within three minutes. In the end it must have been stuck at an angle because he gagged and kind of vomitted it back up. He burst lots of blood vessle in his face (looked like he had freckles for a few days) and had a sore throat but apart from that no long term ill-effects .. apart from my paranoia about leaving coins around the house now (probably not a bad thing!)

Hello everyone,

Congrats on getting a house kayz! You must be so excited.

arti It might just be normal swelling but you could always pop into see your midwife and get your blood pressure checked if you are worried.

LadyT I hope the driving improves. I was absolutely rubbish and it took me three goes to pass (although I swear that I had ample time to pass the bus on the hill and it did not deserve a dangerous fault and automatic failure on my first test ), but all the practice has paid off and I'm much better at reverse parking etc than DH who passed first time . Every cloud and all that!

That is great news Kayz - good luck with the move, I am sure it will be worth it. At least you have an overlap of time to do it by the sounds of things, so you don't have to move everything in a day or anything.

kimberley I also use the spatone that Verso recommends. I have no idea if it works really, I do feel less tired but that may be coincidence (only been taking it for a week)

re time running out, I went through the book that waitinggirl recommended a while back last night and wrote a list of what i need to buy! I now have a list as long as my arm! (that book is really good btw). The book says that on average people spend 2.5K on stuff for a new baby. I scoffed at this, but now I have written the list I can see how it COULD add up to this much. I don't intend to spend that much though...eek.

jj, yes see you tonight! I would quite like the option of a water birth or at least labour, and it seems homebirth is the only way to guarantee this as well. So that coupled with midwife advising us to may mean we go down that route...eeek!

arti hope you are feeling better. Hopefully just one of those pregnancy "things" and nothing to worry about! What was the comedy show?

Kayz Congratulations on the house!!!

I can't even get my head round the fact that it's October yet let alone November in a couple of weeks. Think a wish list buying expedition is required this weekend to get a few more items

Thanks Verso I'll see if I can find either of those.

We are getting the keys on Monday so anytime after that really. I have next week off work so I can hopefully clean the house. I'd like to be moved within 2 weeks so everything is ready just incase Baby comes early.

We moved here when I was about the same amount of weeks with DS, so I'm not too worried about that. I'll just make the tea!!

kayz fantastic news about the move

SL re the MLBU, according to our doula who is on the Rosie patient liaison committee apparently they've recruited all the MWs necessary to meet their aim of keeping it open 24/7, but of course there's always a delay between people being appointed and actually starting the job, so the guarantee isn't actually there yet . It may be different come December, but it's certainly easy to plan for a home birth and then make the decision on the day - you can always phone the MLBU if you want to go in and see if they've got space. My main concern was less it being closed due to shortages, as there already being 2 mums in labour which would mean they can't take any more in.

Anyway - to avoid boring everyone else to tears we can take this conversation to (eeek) RL...

Congratulations on the house Kayz. When is your moving date? I know it must be daunting to move so late in pregnancy but it will be great to have a big new place.

Am running off to a meeting so not much time to post. I am having a little panic this morning. Last week the test may have indicated the beginning of pre-eclampsia but I felt fine. Then last night I went to a Radio 4 recording of a new comedy show that an old friend has written and was performing. The studio was hot and crowded and I started to get a really bad headache. By the end of the show my feet had swelled massively and so had my fingers (up to now I have had very little swelling). I felt awful and paniced I would have to go straight from the recording to hospital. I didn't, I went home to bed, and TBH if I had never had pre-e before and had not had the scare last week, I probably would have thought it was a normal pregnancy reaction. But I still feel a bit swollen and headachy this morning.

Its a shame. The comedy was fab and it should have been a fab night out (one of my last for years no doubt). How lucky I am to have recovered enough to go to this morning's meeting...

Verso Yeah DH does work. At the minute he isn't too bad. His main problem is stairs which is why being in a first floor flat has been so hard. He has had it since he was born but was only diagnosed when he was 9. Some doctors called him lazy, told his mum he would grow out of walking on his tiptoes. It can be hard sometimes, like when we ordered the cotbed a few weeks ago. I couldn't get it upstairs and he couldn't so my brother came round to do it. My MIL reckons DH should quit work and live on benefits while I work full time but he doesn't want to do that.

The move was wonderful yesterday but now I'm a bit terrified!!! DH doesn't really want me to do much packing(even of dvds!!) so I feel useless. Plus I need to find a colour for the living room carpet.

I hope everyone is ok.

Kimberly someone recommended "Spatone" on here to me as an iron supplement which doesn't affect your tummy - and it's been good - it's little sachets of VERY mineral-y mineral water, which feels like a rip-off when you first buy it but it works. I sometimes take Floradix instead (which tastes foul btw) but again helps perk you up if you're anaemic.

So much to catch up on! I won't manage it, I'm afraid - but congratulations on the house, kayz. Your wine gum incident sounds really scary, btw. I wanted to do baby first aid with DD but never managed to get it booked. I count myself very lucky that she was quite an un-curious toddler as she never got into any scrapes - but your post has made me think maybe I won't be so lucky this time and I really ought to do a course. On a different note, I didn't realise your DH has muscular dystrophy. Does he work? Was he diagnosed before you got married? My DH has multiple sclerosis and it's sometimes very difficult. I don't know much about your DH's condition but I'm very glad you got the house!

wg arti is right when she says about first babies engaging really early. I've never quite understood why though - because surely you have no stomach muscles left after the first one to hold it out of your pelvis? >mystified< Anyway - it's true what she says!

reban it sounds like things are all happening at once for you - starting a new job this late in pregnancy is a huge undertaking. I feel bad now because I finish next week and you're only just starting! If you want any tips about being feisty on the commute, let me know as I'm getting quite practiced .

jam love the Boden snapshot . I had my spotty wellies on at the weekend doing a bit of gardening and they always make me think of Boden even though they're from B&Q .

enchanted yes - it definitely hits me from time to time that TIME IS RUNNING OUT! Exciting on the one hand, but also aaaaargh!

I was loving the name thread, btw, when I was on my packed trains today. We've chosen both already - girl was harder than boy though (same problem we had with DD). I had an unusual maiden name, which DH adopted (we both took each other's when we married and hyphenated them) and I can't tell you my heritage without semi-'outing' myself (!) but we went for a slightly unusual name for DD which kind-of matches the surname, so wanted to do the same for this one. For a boy, we've gone for my uncle on my Dad's side - who I never met because he disappeared during the 2nd World War - and for a girl we FINALLY came up with a name about two weeks ago. Phew!

LadyT I was thinking Florian, then realised you're having a girl... (just because I knew someone postnatally who called her baby Florian). I have also known a Crispin and by acquaintance a Quentin... which is making me sound like I move in very elevated circles but I can assure you I don't! Girlwise, I am not so sure of any 'poncetastic' names... and don't want to start throwing any out in case I stumble upon the one you've chosen! Oh and I never said - I've no idea who your late DH was either so your secret is safe with me.

I haven't posted for so long that this thread had dropped off my list. Whoops.
Does anyone know where you can buy one of those skirt things for a moses basket? I don't need any other bedding, just the bit to go over the sides, but noone seems to sell these separately. If I can't find one to buy,I may have to attempt to make one, and I am definitely no seamstress.

Congratulations kayz! But you haven't got very long to pack. Good luck!

now settle down it is only the middle of october.

reverse around a corner, is that a part of the test over here, isn't it a bit dangerous to reverse around a corner what if someone is coming around the corner.

I have never heard of iron EPA tablets, Floradix is good easy on the tummy.

Do any of you ladies know where I can get Iron EPA tablets? I was told to go to a health food shop but when I went they had no idea what I was talking about. So I went to a regular chemist and they told me they had heard of it but didn't know what the EPA meant. I called the midwives back and asked them and they told me the EPA was a different formula for better/easier absorption and told me to try Holland & Barrett. I just looked online and they don't have anything listed. I'm starting to get frustrated and feel like the "stupid american".

And no I can't believe it's almost November!!! I looked at the calendar the other day and had a moment of panic about not having everything together yet.

Fantastic news Kayz.

LadyT it took me 5 attempts to pass my test I failed everytime on reverse round a corner. You never know when you move to the village you might suddenly become an earth mother who spends all day baking and wearing a pinny.

Enchanted NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO am not organised enough for it to be November soon.

I turned into the embodiment of a Boden catalogue today. Took DS and the hound out for a tramp round the fields. In a wrap dress floaty cardigan and Hunter wellies with the dog trotting alongside my phil & teds. Was just waiting for Jonnie Boden to pop out of a rabbit hole and snap a photo.

Kayz hooray, that is great news well done, so glad they have told you, you get on with sorting moving etc. Do they help you move?

OMG!!!!!!!! You are right!!! ARGH!!!!!!!!

Is anyone else freaking that in just 2 Weeks time it will be NOVEMEBER ....then our babies are due NEXT MONTH????
<breathes>

Kayz YEA!!!! You got a house! I'm so excited for you!!! It sounds lovely!

LadyT You are much braver than I. I'm sure you'll get the hang of it.
I am absolutely petrified to drive here. In the US I drove everywhere, but there aren't as many signs, cameras or rules. Plus, being that I'm so short I have a hard time reaching the clutch to change gears.

WE HAVE THE HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!

We are getting the keys Monday.
It has a large living room, a kitchen diner so I can have a table, a nice bathroom. There are 3 bedrooms but one is very small. It also has built in wardrobes. DS's room is bright pink and purple so needs a lick of paint but its not very urgent.

I am so happy now. I'm so excited!!!

Thanks Jam. Yeah, I hope DP plumps for Poppy too as I know it's my Mum's favourite name and it will compensate for the first name which I know she will hate. Iris is such a pretty name too.

ladyt tee hee, silly me!!! I shall wait til she arrives then to find out (zips gob shut)
PS I failed one of my driving tests for putting it in reverse gear and reversing DOWN the hill on my hill start! How I did that I do not know

Thanks Veggie. But if I fail I will be so, so supersonically ANNOOOOOOOOOOOOOYED, not least because time is of the essence,l a mere 6 wks to B-day. If I move to that village where the buses turn up when there's an R in the month and the moon is blue, with a newborn babe, not knowing a soul and in the dark days of winter, I will go quite flamboyantly nutty, I'm sure of it.

Bloody nora WG no idea what that means why dont you give the modwifes a call just to clarufy.

Lady T Poppy is one of my favourite names if we have a girl just have to persuade DP I also really like Iris.

Kayz how did you get on with the housing officer?

Reban breathe my love take it easy and that goes for everyone else who is in stressy situations at the mo.

Am turning onto a total yoga freak next I will have us all chanting ohms and massaging each other.

SL, it's a girl. Now that really WOULD be something if I called a girl Crispin, Tarquin or Quentin Now, no more guessing! I will just say it's been around since Roman times and leave it at that

lt in my first exam i was told to go back to the base 5 mins into the exam because i had already failed, it was supposed to last for 30mins. I passed the 2nd go thank goodness, and have worked for many years as a community nurse so driving must be ok. DH on the other hand passed 1st go and is by far the worst driver i have ever come accross, he is excellent at anything else he turns his hand to but he is really bad at driving. so if it doens't happen first go don't worry.

ohhhh ladyT i wanna know the poncey name now?
Crispin? Tarquin? Quentin?

reban sorry to hear about your stress out. I am sure you will find it not as hard as you are fearing (though still hard going!) Make sure you take it easy, demand seats on the train, and get your other half to look after you/help out with the kids! I am finishing at 38 weeks and due around the same time as you so apart from the last week we will probably be two of the last still working so we will be able to moan together

ladyt good luck with the driving, I am sure you are not as bad as you think! It took me ages to learn, and 4 times to pass, but I am sure being a bit older and worldly wise will give you a bit of common/road sense that I never had! Am also intrigued by the poncetastic name .

veggie yes my MIL is a bit of a stereotype! she just talks non-stop and doesn't think about most of what comes out of her gob but she is quite good fun! Another thing that amuses me is she is always going on about how early DH talked/walked, & how amazing he was as a child. I made a comment "so when did you start doing quadratic equations, were you doing them by 2?", DH gave me a death stare, but she didn't notice!

kayz phew about your son. Am sure instincts would've kicked in if DH hadn't been there.

wg I have no idea about the engaging thing, but I am sure if it was likely to come early midwife would have warned you?!

I just went to the midwife and brought up possible homebirth and she was positive and said that she would advise me to do it!! I also asked if the MLU would be open over Christmas and she said "hmmmm..." so don't think she can guarantee it. So am seriously considering it now!! Must do some investigating. jumpjockey I may pick your brains after yoga tomorrow! Only vague problem could be that my bp is a little high but to be honest it's lower than it's ever been as I tend to get high BP anyway. Also I think cycling to the doctors makes it higher as the one time I didn't it was loads lower!

Well, judging from what I have seen over the last few days, the good citizens of London have very little indeed to boast about in the driving stakes, so I really mustn't be THAT hard on myself. But will I feel safe with a newborn in the back, assuming I do pass my test? Er.......helas, no.

oooops . Maybe we're no worse than anyone else then!

Thanks Pingu, though I should add I must be SERIOUSLY hopeless as tonight's homework is...practising with a plate

Ah well. I've got bandages on my wrists as well so I look INSANE whizzing a plate around.

Ha. I think it's a bit of an eyeroller, Arti, though I don't know many babies so it could well be nothing of the sort (thinking about it, in my bit of London there's probably far worse). My mother will have her head in her hands though. I am quite looking forward to it . But, you know, I LIKE IT, so...

LadyT - hang on in there with the driving, it will get better I promise. I learned to drive at the tender age of 17 (but was rubbish and it seriously took forever, I must have had about 100 lessons - I was so bad I had to practice steering with a dinner plate!) and I can still remember all these years later how hard it was. On the plus side, once you've done it seriously sticks - I've only just got a car again after 8 years and it's not been that difficult to get back in the swing of things....

To everyone else - sorry but I'm just not capable of doing the epic catch ups that some of you ladies do so well. Hope everyone with aches, pains and traumas is feeling better and on the plus side, for those of us at work, at least it's nearly home time!

Sorry WG I should have added that she only came at 38 weeks because I was induced. So she was enaged for 9 weeks and never showed any signs of coming out on her own.

WaitingGirl - this is your first right? Frist babies engage really early. DD was 2/5 engaged from 29 weeks, 3/5 by 33 weeks and then stayed at 3/5 'til 38 weeks when she came. Did she mentioned what proportion engaged your baby is.

LadyT - I am fascinated by your "poncetastic" name. Are we talking truly poncesom or just a bit posh?

Oh, forgot to say: Rosmerta, if you are lurking, I do hope you are feeling a little brighter. Come on and moan if you want to!

I was feeble in my driving lesson again today. I'm not sleeping well and my back and wrists hurt, and I am all cross at having to spend three hours a day in a car. I'm just impatient and grumpy, though. I started to think fatal thoughts, like "I am NEVER gonna be able to do this..." So I have given myself a long pep talk. As my old music teacher used to say, and I still say it to myself on a weekly basis, Faint Heart Never Won Fair Lady!

I can't wait to go on a diet. I feel so...FLABBY. Is everyone finding everything a struggle at the moment? I know many people have so much more to cope with than me, and I am ashamed to complain really, but I just feel like a moany lardass, dragging myself about...

reban - i, too, have just started new job, although it is part time, so i know something of what you are feeling. poor you - i'm sure they wouldn't have hired you if they didn't think you were fab. lots of rest, though, if you can manage it.

kayz - what a shock - how worrying.

a question for you all... just had 30 week mw appt - and my baby's head is really low down and she marked engaged on the notes. please don't tell me that means i'm going to go into labour in 2-3 weeks, please tell me it is just one of those things and s/he will keep moving about a bit and NOT APPEAR TOO SODDING SOON!

if anyone knows about these things, let me know

Kayz, I was watching an item about baby first aid on the Baby Channel over my breakfast (is my brain turning to mush or what) and it struck me that I know naff all about it. Lucky you had the knowledge. I am really crossing my fingers bout your housing situation, by the way.

Veggie, I hope the time doesn't drag with your DH away. Give yourself lots of treats (that seems to be my answer to everything!)

Reban, you've got an awful lot on your plate, you know. I'm not surprised it's getting to you but I think you should be very proud of yourself for juggling all those things. Cut yourself a bit of slack. Hercules' knees would wobble under that lot, so your best is all you can do. I am sure your new employers will be understanding.

I must say people have picked very tasteful names! We are obviously a classy bunch. We aren't telling anyone in RL the names (although DP did tell his sister when he was in Bermuda after we'd agreed not to ) - the first name is set and I must say it's a bit poncetastic, the second name is in a state of flux (DP can't choose between Florence and Poppy and that one is up to him) and the third name is my Granny's name.

Kayz: how worrying for you. I'm a first aider at work and would still panic if DS had a major accident!

For those who haven't done first aid training, there are some good basic courses aimed at babies and young children - would def recommend going on one or having a look at the stuff on the web (BBC has lots of info) just so you do know what to do in an emergency . FWIW I bet your instincts would have kicked in if DH weren't there.

kayz Oh my goodness how scary!! I would've panicked too! I'm glad he's okay.
Good luck with the housing meeting. Hopefully they'll get you moved asap.

veggie Blueberry muffins sound soooo good right now!!! I wish they had Lily White muffin mix here. I could make blueberry muffins or pancakes. Both of which are sounding pretty good at the moment. That consultant guy sounds creepy by the way!

Bye all - off now for yoga - more "thank you mummies thank you babies" to make me cringe. But positively, lots of stretching etc!!! Must remember the good stuff.

Hope all have an ok evening.

Kayz - hope you're ok. Try not to worry and just have a look over your notes for first aid. Thinking of you - must be a horrid shock.

x

Veggie - you're so good for cooking yours yourself!

mmmm beans you just reminded me i have some blueberry muffins still around.

Reban I'm sure they will understand. I agree have some chocolate.

Mibbes You can use Dylan too. A friend I have made on here recently called her little girl Dylan. She is very biased and thinks that Dylan is a wonderful name and we should use it.

I just had the fright of my life.
DS nearly choked earlier. He had got into my bag and got a wine gum out. I have done some baby/toddler first aid and it completely went out of the window, I just paniced(sp). Luckily DH did a St Johns course about 6 years ago so he knew what to do. I now feel really sick and can't let DS out of my sight.

I'll be back on later to let you know what the housing people said.

kimberley oh that reminds me when i first came over i was talking to an english girl at work about how in australia our nurses uniforms are either a skirt and top or shirt and pants, one of the yukky letchy consultants overheard and said, oh i'd like them to bring that dress code in over hear he he he. oh he was so cringy and that made him even worse.

Ooh, I'd love a chocolate muffin. Think I might get one from Eat on the way home...

Veggie That's funny about teaching your son Australian. It most definitely is a language! When we first came to the UK I told a girl that I liked her pants. She looked at me like I was crazy and started looking to make sure her knickers weren't hanging out. I was totally embarrassed!!

Reban I'm sure your employers will be understanding. They wouldn't have hired you if they had thought it was going to be a problem. I think a nice hot bath with some candles and chocolate are in order. Try not to stress too much. Things will work themselves out the way they are supposed to.

reban: I'm sure your new job will go OK, make thigns as easy on yourself as poss re the commute and your workload. Do you have to drive all the way through or could you arrange a car share with someone?

Beans and Veggie - that is so weird. i know two girls called Emily Grace! One is two and one is four. They are very pretty names but obvioualy a very common combo.

Chutney your poor DD - glad to hear she is on the mend.

Veggie he'll be back before you know it - time seems to be flying at the moment.

Ooh loving the names chat - we have shortlists for girls and boys and like others have found it far easier to pick girls names. Why are boys names so tricky ? Neither of us is 100% convinced by any of our boys names - Dylan is on there though kayz. Mind you I feel like you got there first so can't really use it - even though I don't know you in RL !

ZJ we have the same opinion about names as family members have flicked through our baby name books and expressed strong dislike of names that happen to be on our shortlist so defo not getting them involved - they will have to love the name when it belongs to their grandchild/niece/nephew.

SL yikes your MIL is very opinionated ! Am glad mine is lovely and keeps her opinions to herself

reban {{big hugs}} poor you having to start a new job at a time like this , I really hope your new boss is understanding xx

One of my friends has just called her daughter Emily Grace - such lovely names!

oh i did it again i missed a whole page, i was responding to page 32.

Sorry to hear of your stress Reban you poor thing a good cry and chocolate is in order, at the end of the day yours and the babys health is the main thing so no wonder your DH is saying he can muddle along if the job is too much. is there any chance you could work from home, or flexible hours?

Candida albicans is the bug that causes thrush.

SL your MIL is such stereotype, does she realise how bizarre the things she says are? Can you imagine MW's their staffroom, going can you believe that couple in delivery suite 3, they haven't even chosen a name yet!

By the time my brother had his 3rd daughter they had gotten a bit bored of trying to think up names so when the MW said what are you going to call it they said no idea yet, and the MW said how about Emily, they looked at each other shrugged their shoulders and went that will do, and she is now 13 years old, Emily grace. However my Aunty Em thought she was named after her and they didnt want to hurt her feelings so they sad she was.

ZJ he is 3 but yes he is bi-lingual, i have been trying to learn Mandarin for years but can barely order food in a restaurant, i have so much trouble getting around all th tones, but DS just does it so easily ad pronounces everything perfectly. I am trying to teach him Australian but not sure if calling trousers- pants, and crisps- chips and say 'oh yeah' as a positive respnse to a question really counts as another language. He did say G'day to someone the other day which was funny.

reban what a bad day you're having, hoepfully once you get started at work it won't seem so bad. And if all else fails, put a calendar on your desk and count down those days and weeks! Hope you feel better again soon

Reban try not to worry. I am sure your new employers are aware that there is a chance that the baby will make an appearance earlier than 39 weeks. All the worrying will not change what happens. I am sure they will be understanding. If it gets a bit much speak to your new boss and see if you can work from home to aliviate the travel or arrange to work reduced hours. They obviously really want you and I am sure they will be accommodating. Chin up and make sure you stand up for yourself!!!

As they know you're pregnant, I'm sure if something comes up, they'll be understanding about it. Try not to worry about things that haven't happened yet - chances are things will be ok. Have a good old cry and try to get some sleep - that often helps me to feel a bit better.

I'm sorry, I'm useless at advice, but hope you're bearing up ok.

xxxx

thanks beans .. i have said i will work up till 39 weeks so ill be working for 8 weeks

Oh reban, I'm so sorry, I crossed posts with you. Gosh, it all sounds a bit overwhelming - I really hope you're ok. How long are you there for before the arrival of the new baby?

xx

Candida is actually the name for thrush, not the treatment. My sister's middle name is Candida and I take great pleasure in reminding her that she is an itchy fanny. Hahah! Great fun to abuse her!

Hi all scn today went well .. baby still on 10th centile but growing in propertion so again they have said baby is just on the small side .. they are scanning me again in 2 weeks to check growth again. Re names we had our boy name chosen quite early on, Christian David (David is DP's stepdad) and for a girl we have settled on Joscelyn Elizabeth (Elizabeth is DP's moms name). Ihave known all my children's names before they were born and they have always felt 'right' somehow. Also always use family names as middle names

chutney im sorry to hear your daughter has pneumonia (sp?) it sounds very scary hope she feels better soonxx

kayz good luck with your move hope it comes soon xx

I had a bit of an emotional breakdown on the phone to DP after my scan today. Although im reassured that baby is fine just a bit tiny im still pretty scared .. especially if he/she comes earlier. Also im due to start my new job on monday and i really really dont want to now. I just dont know how im gonna cope, i feel so tired as it is, but add to that a train commute and full time work and being a fully functioning parent to 3 children plus house stuff i just want to cry. Well in fact i did cry alot. Trouble is we need the money because i gave up a reasonably paid job to go self emp and failed miserably, not earning a penny for 6 months. DP had basically said we will just muddle through but im scared im going to crash my car or go into labour on the train through stress
sorry for moan i will try to pull myself together xx

I'd be quite happy as I did want a girl as I have a DS already but I think I'd be a bit sad too as I'd been expecting a boy.

That was partly why we didn't find out - we wanted a surprise, but just before our scan heard of someone in our area who did get a shock. Don't know what I'd do!

although according to MIL, EVERYONE would prefer to have a boy first, so she will be disappointed! Bless MILs.

I wouldn't mind either way. Would be a bit of a pain returning all the pink stuff I have. If it happens I might just let the boy wear the pink things anyway

Kayz I thnk i'd be a bit shocked, but would see the funny side!!
Forgot to say, good luck with the house stuff, fingers crossed!

SL We were told that this one is a boy too. But we have loads of girls names we love and have only just decided on Dylan Toby.

My DH knows someone call Candida. It didn't click why it was funny for about 2 weeks when I was in the chemist for some rennie's and saw some.

How does everyone think they would feel if they were told they were having a boy and then had a girl? Or vice versa?
My friend was told she was having a smaller than average girl and actually had a 9lb 7oz boy.
I think I go into complete shock and send my mum to Mothercare for pink clothes!!

I knew what you meant jj Candida is the stuff you have to take if you have thrush isn't it?? I think it's pretty bad even if they didn't have Smellie for a surname!!! (Hopes desperately that no-one on thread has friends/children called candida!)

Good luck re the iron supplements kimberley. I am taking spatone, which is some natural iron supplement (basically irony water as far as I understand) that is not meant to bung you up.

Hi everyone,

chutney sorry to hear how poorly your DD is (was it you who had to rush home from a weekend away when she first got ill?) but very glad to hear she's on the mend now.

veggie hoping these 2 weeks fly by and DH is back soon. Is your DS bi-lingual? I'm v envious - and he's only 2!

ladyt hope the driving goes better today - I still have bad driving days (which is a worry as I passed my test 12 years ago!)

kayz good luck with the housing association today, and good luck to reban with the scan as well

jezza good to hear from you again, I hope work calms down a bit for you. I’m also using AL to do 4 day weeks now – I’m loving them, but starting to get lazy the days I am in as well.

Kimberley good news about the blood test results

On names – we agreed on a boys name, plus spare (just in case) almost straight away, but it took a lot longer to decide girls names – we’ve got 2 options and for both of them we keep preferring one then the other. arti I love Ester – that wasn’t on our list, but maybe it should be. Both our girls names choices start with E, and Ester fits that pattern. SL I’d deliberately tell MIL some names I know she’d hate, just to wind her up! We decided early on not to tell anyone – my sis and my best friend are both teachers, so we don’t want to risk getting “I taught someone called that, they were awful” – once it’s born they won’t be able to say that (or will get a kick if they do!)

Have a good day everyone

You ladies are hilarious! I've been cracking up about the funny names. Maybe we should give some of those to my MIL. She's not been too hot on any of the names we've chosen and keeps asking if we could pick something else.
Thankfully she hasn't started giving us names to use... well not yet at least.

Chutney Sorry to hear about your DD. I hope she feels better soon! Seems like everyone is getting chest infections of some kind.
Kayz I like Dylan!! Toby is also cute as well.
Beans I also like Max and Alexander too!

We keep going back and forth between Judah Michael and Isaiah Charles. I also like Evan but DH thinks it's not a strong enough name.

Got my blood results back and my sugar levels were good. But they're wanting me to take iron supplements. I already take a daily vitamin with the dosage of iron they are asking me to take. So I have to call the midwives and see what they want me to do.

Oh no - that now makes no sense. It deleted my handy asterisk about the baby names. Candida was a real person, it would be a bit pointless to post a "comedy name" post with names made up. Then again I did meet that chap called Whalebone Fenderbender the other day...

H met a girl called Candida once - not so bad you think, but her surname was Smellie Apparently it was pronounced Smilie

SL that's mad, I know lots of people who had a name picked out then when they met their baby said "Oh no, he can't possibly be a Bernard, he's clearly an Algernon".

names changed to protect the innocent

Yeah beans, or gonorrhea for a boy! haha. Poor kid would have a nightmare learning to spell it as well!

veggie MIL basically started harping on about how we couldn't decide after the event, we had to beforehand, and that the "midwives look down on you if you don't have a name ready" (whatt???) So DH basically told her that we would decide before the event but we're not telling her the ones we are thinking of. a while ago she went on and on about how she didn't like timothy (which is our joke name for baby, as with surname it makes a beer, but she didn't understand this part so thought we were being serious), and if she is going to be rude about normal potential names like timothy then I am not involving her in the decision process!! (Don't particularly like the name, but she could be vaguely diplomatic)
jj I have a great aunt called gertrude, except even she hates it so has always been called Freda, her middle name.
beans lol at mr tantric sex noah. For some reason Noah implies a handsome sort of chappie to me too! Nice name.

We are only considering boys names as 20 week scan said it was a boy (and they pointed out the bits and seem pretty certain). If it's a girl we are a bit buggered on the clothes we have so far as well, so hopefully it's not!!

Hee hee jj - one of my best friends is called Marina and we call her Mez (ergo Mezzanine) for short. Brilliant! I always think Chlamydia would be a pretty name!

Our names for when people ask are either bungle or Martha (mix of mine and DH's first names) .

mm beans he looks very brooding

Veggie - you may laugh but Gertrude is the MIL's middle name so that one's off the list for several reasons!

Our names for when people ask are Sigismund for a boy, and Mezzanine for a girl. The number of people who try to be polite and say "Mmm, yes Mezzanine I can see that's quite pretty really" is hilariously large

I used to go out with a real hunk called Noah yum - but he was a bit boring. I didn't really care as he looked good enough to eat - it only lasted 3 months, but it was such fun (he was into tantric sex - don't really know what it is, but it was jolly nice !! And since then, I've loved the name!

i really like Noah, as there is an australian actor called Noah Taylor, it was one i thought of too but doesn't go with surname.

Jam i do sometimes find that too, i also for some reason cope better when he is away for a longer time than just a couple of days. It's like i just get into a rhythm and don't really count down to when he is coming back but when he is away a couple of days for some reason it seems harder. However, poor DS is already talking about missing his dad, he keeps trying to get me to carry hm downstairs on my back or hold him upside down and swing him around like his dad does. i keep telling him i am already carrying around one son can't do another.

SL i can't believe your MIL is being so cheeky, just tell her you have decided on Gertrude for a girl and Horatio for a boy.

No idea about names yet alas - as far as we've got is if it's a boy he has James as a middle name (traditional in H's family for the first son, plus it was my grandad's name) and if it's a girl she'll have my mum's name as a middle name - but not sure whether to go for her first name or maiden name, they're both very pretty.

Hi everyone,

still no idea for girls names, got our boys names sorted we like Noah or Lachlan.

Chutney your poor DD hope she feels better soon.

Good luck veggie I sometimes find that when DP is away things run much more smoothly at home as I am normally way more organised than when he is home.

Thanks Veggie - that's great advice. We both know we're rubbish at communication, so both want to try it more. I just find I get so tongue-tied and can't say what I want to. Which is strange, because if I wrote it down it would be easy!

hi all, re names, me and DH basically got a bollocking from the MIL at the weekend as we haven't chosen a name yet. We have a few lined up but we weren't telling her as she will basically then tell us which one she wants out of them!! And then we will feel we have to go with that.

We have 3 main names, but one is more unusual than the others (but still pretty normal I think!) and everyone except us doesn't like the unusual one! So we are no longer telling people

Re: names, we have a boy's name picked, but not telling anyone yet in case they object! Have even managed to decide on middle names pretty much. DS has 3 names so we thought we'd better go for another three, which is much harder than two. DH has finally dropped the idea of Jocelyn (for a boy ) and Bruce so I'm pleased . We wouldn;t let me have Aubrey which I think is lovely as a middle name so we're all square. Arti: I think Hester/Esther is lovely, classic but not too popular. I really like Sophia as well, I know a Sophia who is great.

Emma we have always been able to come up with girls names we want easier than boys too, and of course we had DS & now this one is a boy too.

Beans i hope your babybean s on time as that is my birthday, it is a very good day to be born.

Hi Beans - 8th, I am getting a decent maternity package from work but i want to start as late as possible and managed to take AL right up to my due date. I am trying to slow down a bit. I am starting to feel a bit sluggish and like you have loads of AL so am down to 4 days a week.

We are just getting everything finished at home I am so excited about the room I have sort of blocked out the thought of labour as its my first! At my last MW appointment the baby was breach I am hoping the little wriggler has turned I think its trying but am not really sure!

Morning All,

Chutney Poor DD she sounds like she is on the mend thankfully. Lots and lots of sleep and fluid for her. Bed rest is best hard to explain this to a LO though. Hope you get some rest too. Very stressful for you!!

Kayz hope you do get to move and find out in time to get organised.

Veggie Good luck with being on your own for 2 weeks as least you have DS for lots of hugs etc.

Reban good luck with your scan.

Re names we have two girls names. One I prefer and one DH prefers. If bump turns out to be a boy we will be stuck as we can't decide on a name.....

Hi Jezza - I don't think it's silly to leave it til 3 weeks before, but only if you're feeling up to it. I'm going 4 weeks before, and that's because I've got quite a lot of holiday stored up - 2.5 weeks - otherwise I'd be working up until 37 or 28 weeks. Are we due on the same date? 7th Dec?

i love Dylan that is one of the names on our list, although today i heard someone say Jefferson on the radio, and i like that but not sure if that is just the hormones. I like Jeff as a short name (was a huge Jeff Buckley fan and my BIL name too) but don't really like Jeffrey or Geoffrey, but Jefferson is a bit surname-y so will run it past DH first he is the more practical with these things.

feeling very rough this morning, i had a spicy bean burger from burger kings last night on the way home from the airport, i never usually eat those things and now i remember why, it came back up at about 1am, and have felt rough since. also had a dream that DS feel onto some railway tracks and i just saved him from a train in time. It was such a vivid dream that i could go bac to sleep afterwards and that was at about 5.30am. I have prenatal yoga this arvo so hoping that willperk me up a bit. DH texted me from his stopover in Dubai, so so far the terrorists haven't gotten him.

Beans i think openess is the best policy with your DH. We found after DS was born that we were having picky fights and actually insulting each other which we had never done before we had always had arguments but they had been short loud and apologies were made and then over. But the ones post DS were getting a bit below the belt so we started talking to each other more about them and just beinga bit more open with each other in general and talking about how we were feeling with all the changes and it really helped.

Hi All,

I have not been on here for ages, work is quite stressful and I never feel able to catch, up but I really want to find out how everyone is and what they are up to.

I am now 32.2 weeks and feel I should slow down! How late is everyone on here working to? Am I silly to leave it until 3 weeks before?

I know what you mean about names, however we have loads of girls names and only 1 boy!

Oooh I love a good name chat.

Kayz - Dylan is lovely, as is Toby 9good luck on the house).

Beans - I love Max and Alexander.

Have others thought of names?

We had it down to two but are wavering again. I think we will go for either Alexandra (known as Alex), Hester or Esther (known as Hetty) or Sophia. I am still not sure though, none seem quite right. DD is named after my late mother and I knew she would be before I even conceived her. It is so much harder this time!

Its very exciting picking names. DS was so easy, we knew even before the 20 week scan that if he was a boy he would be Freddie. But this time its been really hard.

Oh Kayz - that's a lovely name! Gorgeous - quite envious!

If we have a boy, think we're going to call him Max Alexander or Edward Alexander! And a girl will be Victoria Mary, I think.

So exciting isn't it???

JJ - gutted you had your dream interrupted - my naughty dreams are at peak at moment, it's quite fun!

Thanks Beans. I would love to get moved before baby comes and before Christmas. I'm glad you got an apology e-mail.

We've decided on a name!! We're going to call him Dylan Toby. We both love it and are finally decided(we think)

Reban hope the scan goes well today

Kayz really hope you get your move soon so you can be settled in before the baby.

Beans sorry to hear about your row, hope you had a lovely anniversary up til then [hug]

Veggie hope you're getting on ok without your DH.

chutney gosh your poor DD, sounds like they've caught it early so fingers crossed she's on the mend soon.

I woke up loads last night with random pains - at one point there was a real stabby sort of pain on the lower left below the bump, similar to where ovulation pains had been, and the whole bump had gone hard. Is this the infamous Braxton Hicks?? It was less painful when I sat up and tried to do the deep breathing thing, but it really took me by surprise. And in the middle of a top quality naughty dream as well

Yes, think you're right, Kayz. Good luck on the house - gosh, that is very soon indeed to find out - will keep everything crossed!

Have had an apology email from DH this morning, so am feeling a bit happier. Wow I'm ready for bed already - despite having quite a bit of sleep last night. Oops. Under 4 weeks, now, til I finish work! Can't wait - it seems like forever, though!

Veggie I don't know, I hope they'll tell us today so that we can start packing.

Beans I'm sorry you had another row. I think its probably quite common at this time of the pregnancy. We all seem to be having rows. We've been rowing about silly things that normally wouldn't even bother us.

Oh Chutney - what a nightmare for you - poor DD - it sounds like she's quite robust and is doing well on the antibiotics. Keep us updated.

Kayz - hope you get moved ok - fingers crossed!

I had another argument with DH last night. He told me that I always speak for him in conversations and don't let him answer questions. I actually know he's got a point! But I suddenly felt like he was just having go after go at me and got really upset. It was our actual wedding anniversary and I stomped off to bed and was asleep before he got there. Nice. These things happen I guess. I apologised this morning, but am still reeling a bit as we don't usually argue much and now it's been twice in 2 days. Feeling a bit low now.

Good luck for the move Kayz

Chutney: hope your DD is on the mend. It's terrifying when they're ill

Good luck for the scan today Reban

oh Kayz i'll have everything crossed for you. Will they tell you today or is this just a checking visit.

Morning,

Chutney Poor you and your poor DD. I'm glad she is improving.

I had a wierd dream last night that I went into labour, but I don't remember the birth and then I remember coming home and having people round to visit.

The housing association people are coming round this afternoon to assess DH's access. As he has Muscular Dystrophy he struggles to get up and down stairs and we live in a first floor flat. They have already told us where we are going to move and described the house to us so I'll be gutted if we don't get to move. I'd love to be moved before baby comes.

Hope you are all ok!!

chutney pneumonia that is quite nasty, lots of live yoghurt and acidophillus powder to help get her back on form after the antibiotics. glad they have her something to sort it out and she is on the mend. lots of cbeebies then.

good evening all, just got back from dropping DH at airport, DS was so sweet and put on a brave face, he kept saying, 'i'll be ok daddy i'll stay happy', but after we said goodbye he was a bit sad and wanted his daddy back. i was a bit emotional and poor DH said don't cry it's only 2 eeks, and i explained that a pregnant lady can cry when she wants to. I think i am also paranoid that something will happen to him, a terrorist attack on the plane, a car accident due to dodgy Australian drivers or road rage. Poor DH has assured me he will catch a bus to the town where his father lives when he goes to visit him as i'm scared he will crash.

but anyhoo, i now have 2 weeks to myself with DS and we have loads to do so will keep ourselves busy. Poor DH was a bit sad as veggiebaby has really started kicking and seems to be responding to his voice a lot more, last night he was kicking or punching towards where he was speaking. He has also made me promise to put DS' chinese DVDs on everyday, like he might forget how to speak mandarin within 2 weeks. Fine by me, i'll have a little nap while they're on.

Poor you, Chutney! That sounds dreadful. Hope she is soon on the mend and hope that YOU get some better rest soon xxx

Hello girls <<waves wearily>>

Just a quick one from me I'm afraid and it's me me me. DD1 has pneumonia and is very sick, but improving. However, she has found it difficult to breathe the last couple of nights and so I have sat up with her watching her chest go up and down. She is now on huge antibiotics and is getting better but it's a bit slow. We watched a barbie DVD this afternoon and I fell asleep! Am absolutely shattered but glad she is on the mend.

I haven't read much at all but I hope that everyone is OK, DHs and DPs are behaving and that the babies are wriggling nicely as they reach the final stretch. I'll try to catch up shortly. Love to you all.

Hello gorgeous girls,

I sucked at driving today. Don't know why, I just did. Ah well, tomorrow's another day.Do thought I should have cancelled as I am on my knees with fatigue. So much to do! Mind you, he also reminded me that if I take out a pedestrian it's 4 yrs inside so I shall just blame him for my driving like a octagenarian today...

Beans, how can getting a decent amount of baby stuff make you spoilt? Stuff and nonsense. Buying baby paraphernalia is not only essential, but it's fun as well, and you do have the vouchers after all. Sounds like he is just feeling a bit pushed out and mixed up.

WaitingGirl - I think I will just stop worrying about it! Had some hassle with the press a couple of years ago and I am a bit paranoid. But I am very glad you have got one of his books, that's ace.

Arti, I wholeheartedly agree - I have used a John Lewis bf pillow just for myself for years! Great for reading in bed, never mind anything else! How are you feeling now? How's work?

Hatty - super news about the neighbours.

Mibbes - your SIL is being a PITA. I'm a bit kamikaze but in my experience, the only way to handle it is to tell people firmly and immediately that saying stuff like that is hurtful. Believe me, it nips it in the bud and stops you ruminating. Someone said it to me the other day and I said in a subzero voice "Well, I've been eating a lot of ice lollies. Is THAT what you mean?"

Good to hear from you, MissMama! Sorry about the ketones Kimberley...what a nice excuse to scoff some treats. And a hello to Reban, JollyBear and everyone else I've missed!

Re: rows with DPs/DHs, I try to button my lip with mine as I find rows too stressful and upsetting (we had a huge one on holiday when he was teasing me that our DD would naturally love him more than me and I had a sense of humour failure about this ) but I save my wrath for people who won't stand up for me on the tube etc!

Oh, MN names - I run a cricket team and that's what the boys call me. I've got off quite lightly, given some of the nicknames some of them have got...

ahhh..... ketones... not keynotes. Thanks TVY and veggie That makes more sense! And yes the nurse was quite a mumbler. I had to ask 3 times what she was saying. All I really got out of it was to eat more. So chocolate here I come!!

Emma Yes I do live in Leytonstone. Glad you had a good time with your parents! Wish mine lived closer.

gosh i spent about 20 minutes earlier writing a mammoth post and my laptop crashed as i tried to post it (mumbles about technology).

so i will try again but will probably now miss out half of what i wanted to say!

arti and hatty do take care of yourselves .. hope all the medical worries you are having are sorted out for you.

lt you sound incredibly busy so take care too and good luck with driving.

mibbes i know i would have burst out crying if anyone had been as insensitive as your sister (was it your sister?) at your bday party. It might have made her realise just how nasty she was being. I still find it amazing that women, especially those who have had children, say thing like that to a pregnant woman.
Also it is completely normal to be anxious about how you are going to cope as a mom .. believe me i am amazed i have managed to raise my eldest to 8 with no great disasters .. also petrified at now having my fourth how on earth i will juggle everything!

veggie i too am nesting like mad but not in such a constructive way! I am trying to finish my christmas shopping, sort out all the baby stuff and de-clutter the house before i start my new job on monday! Only realistic if i really really pull my finger out (and get substantial help from my ds2 2 1/2!)but i keep getting very painfull braxton hicks when i do anything too strenuous so only got a small amount achieved. Except xmas shopping as i have done most online and nearly finished!

beans sexual positions for us have been exclusively spoons since i became pregnant .. but its one of my favs so i dont mind!

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kmp my mumsnet name is a shortened version of my first and middle name (sorry if it wasn you who asked that question!)

Re arguements with DPs dont always blame it on pregnancy hormones .. i think men use that as an excuse sometimes so they can say "its her hormones" I didnot speak to DP from tuesday to friday of last week because he had really upset me ( i wont go into details but he was in the wrong and he missed my last scan because of it) i ignored an apologetic text and bunch of flowers until i was ready to forgive him .. so just dont blame yourself if you get upset, DPs can be a pain in the arse too!

Sorry i know ive missed out things i wanted to say but in the night garden has finished and children now bouncing all over me!!

Hugs to everyone .. Got my growth scan tomorrow so will post then xx

glad your neighbours were understanding Hatty

Hope you get your mum at the birth if you want her there Beans. Much as I love my DH, there wasn't much he could do during either of my births. I just like to focus on the labour on my own really. Still it was nice knowing he was around, even if I didn't want his encouragement, massage etc etc.

Hope no one is feeling too overwhelmed with stuff today. Feeling weepy/stressed etc is just part of late pregnancy I think. In my case, I really do have pregnancy brain. Took DS to toddler group today and when I was nearly home realised I left my handbag there so had to run all the way back before it closed. Then, the charity ARC called-I always get my Xmas cards from them, but I had sent them a cheque for a totally random amount nothing like the cost of the cards. Plus, I had put my mum's number down as the contact number, not mine. I haven't lived at my parents' for 15 years!!! Still, the woman at ARC had a nice chat with my mum.

Invisible would be great to hear how it goes with your windows, fingers crossed that you get a great result.

pixsix and waitinggirl - actually just in the process of getting our windows sorted at the moment. In our case not sash, but fairly knackered victorian bay windows. We've had a bunch of quotes - the specialist companies are eye wateringly expensive, some come over better than others. We've gone with a local joiner in Muswell hill, which comes to about half what the specialists are asking for. DH has been dealing, so I don't have the details but can get them if you would like -also won't find out if they are any good until its done though! I also think they aren't really interested unless its a replacement rather than just refurbishment.

Sorry not to post re others - need to rush home, but have read and do think of you all!

Hello all! Blimey you are busy on here.

pixsix re windows, we're having our sashes restored as they've been left to rot for the last 100 years or so by previous owners so some of them don't stay open, they all rattle like mad and a couple of the frames have somehow got dislodged so there are big gaps between the wall and the wood. Definitely get several quotes, we had a guy from Ventrolla who quoted approximately £1k per window , instead we're going with an independent local guy who's less than half that. Meanwhile velvet curtains from ikea make a big difference!

Hmm that was a very dull bit of posting, sorry. Am in a v nesty sort of mood, we're finally getting round to doing all the stuff that#'s been waiting 5 years since we moved in = carpet in the spare room for the baby, shelves up, fixing two dodgy radiators etc. Still, not quite as ambitious as the lady at yoga who said last week (at 38.5 weeks) she didn't mind when the baby arrived, as long as it's after Saturday as that's when her kitchen will be finished!!

Arti meant to say thank you so much for encouraging words about your SIL bonding and the breastfeeding working well too - that makes me feel much better .

Emma glad you had a lovely break

Also had a great time at my folks and was thoroughly spoilt. The down side of being away at the weekend is I still need to fit in my food shop and washing etc and all the other rubbish house jobs.....

Hi All,

Gosh for 4 days so many posts!!! Sorry I haven't been able to read them all properly as i'm at work and the boss keeps peering over my shoulder. (grrr)

Anyway, hugs to everyone ill / in pain / not sleeping well / emotional etc.

Kimberly / Kmp I live in Epping essex. Kimberly are you in Leytonstone? Keep forgetting.

Thanks for all the advice everyone on how to not be a lonely hermit new mummy

Arti / Hatty hope everything turns out ok for you both.

Re nickname very unoriginal my name "n" bump

Thanks artichokes, I bet you are glad she has turned!

I was just getting myself really worried before that something was the matter even though it was only a bit of tummy ache and feeling 'funny' - thanks though as I feel much more reassured that it was probably just the jollycub squishing something important!

JB - you can start feeling dizzy and sick when you lie on your back because the weight of the baby on your organs and veins can restrict bloodflow. My physio always gets paranoid when I lie on my back. Following that logic I imagine you might feel ill if the baby was somehow lying heavily on a particular organ or vein. TMI but I kept getting an upset tummy when the baby was breech (its turned now). I think she kicked my intestine so regularly that it gave me the runs!

Hello everyone,

pixsix I was just going to echo what others have said about curtains and sash windows. My mum lines her curtains with old curtains or charity shop curtains because it is cheaper and warmer than buying special curtain linings.

hatty Glad to hear that your neighbours were lovely and understanding.

mibbes I was having similar thoughts this weekend! It is just natural to feel scared and emotional, it is a huge change afterall. Hope you feel a bit better today.

Can I ask your advice ladies? Can you feel a bit odd and sick if the baby is lying in an unusual position? I've felt offish since I woke in the night with tummy ache but I've just woken from a nap and feel much better. Before the baby was more stuck out (IYKWIM?!)but it has now moved back to it's usual position which is transverse. I suppose what I am trying to ask is did I feel ill because the baby was in a funny position or is it just a coincidence I've woken feeling better?

Nursing bras are in the last few weeks as far as I remember. I think I bought mine about a month before as they thought the girls might come before their due date, but the fitter just added on a bit to the estimated cup size I think!

Mibbes I missed being pregnant last time as well, even though I was delighted to finally have my babies. It was such a special time, especially being first time pregnant and being so excited together about the new arrival.

Beans me too re so much stuff to get!! I am going to try and write a proper list. It is all so confusing as well. Nursing bras not til last month I think.

have been lurking today but not proper posting, too tired. Had the MIL for the weekend, did far too much stuff and it has worn me out. Hardly got anything done at work today, can't believe that I have 8 weeks more of work to go!!!

Gosh, I've got so much stuff still to get - when do we buy nursing bras? Is it in last month? My boobs just don't seem to be getting any bigger/fuller at moment. But am not complaining, as am 38D and am usually at 36B!

Mibbes - I will miss the bump terribly - especially the kicking - even when it hurts! But I'm so excited to meet the person that's been doing it, if you know what I mean!

I have been told that you get given so many gifts that you need to change things for bigger sizes otherwise baby will never wear half of it ! Am going to send DP out to return stuff ASAP as with the sales kicking in after xmas the shops will only give sale price refunds without a receipt which is very frustrating when you know the person who bought the gift paid full price.

oo good - glad I was not just talking rubbish! (Always a possibility - especially with pregnancy brain).

Yes indeed I can also confirm that shops WILL often exchange stuff - depends on the shop but I took back quite a lot of stuff to mothercare - as I got 3 packs of literally exactly the same 7 little vest suits, in exactly the same size, and exactly the same pattern.

I got vouchers and spent some on DS and (whisper) some on nursing bras for me! Felt a bit guilty but as DH pointed out, a) they would all think that DS was wearing "their" present, and b) what on earth were we going to do with 21 identical vests?

hatty am so pleased your arrangements are sorted and you are already sounding happier as a result

thanks so much for your words of wisdom ladies - I know you're right but the regular need to cry is not atall familiar to me. Also get very emotional when anything remotely baby-related is on the TV, blimin' hormones ! Beans you are so lucky to be feeling like you can't wait to 'get started' ! I am loving being PG and worried that I'll miss my bump (mainly because a big flabby burst balloon will be left in its place !)

Apparently my SIL has bought a 'baby's first xmas' babygrow for my LO , that one from M&P is adorable Beans ! Am thinking it'd make a great 'leaving hospital' outfit (unless baby comes way early !)

I also heard that about the newborn stuff, also that if you have stuff given you with labels still on, even without receipt, most shops will change them for a bigger size. Dunno if this is true or not!
I have been given a load of 2nd hand clothes and some of the newborn stuff is miniscule!

sorry crossposts wth TYV that is also correct bascically when you are starving or have a high Blood glucose your body breaks down fats and protein in your stores and you end up producing ketones which are excreted in your urine. I would go with the choclate advice that TYV in fact i might partake as well.

I agree about not buying anythign in newborn - or at the most just buying a pack of plain little sleepsuits for hospital.

Everyone buys newborn stuff when the baby is born and you are swamped for the first few months and then have nothing for the following few!

hehehehe sorry shouldn't giggle but the term is ketones not keynotes, obviously your MW's mumble a bit as well as not explaining the terms they use, they can be a sign of infection or diabetes but if they aren't sending you for other tests i would worry too much

Hi Kimberley, I think maybe she meant ketones? I'm not an expert but I believe they can be related to dehydration and not eating enough - they are produced when the body breaks down its own fat/protein for energy instead of using energy from food.

So a v good excuse to eat more chocs! Check with your midwife in case this is rubbish, but I'm pretty sure that's what I read.

I was told at the weekend not to buy anything in newborn size, but to get aged 0-3 months as they last much longer! If you have a big baby, they won't even get into the newborn stuff.

Oh, and I meant to say, that I wish babyZJ wasn't due so close to Xmas, or I'd definitely be getting a Christmas outfit. It's v hard to resist, but chances are I'll end up with an unworn newborn sized outfit if I do indulge (but those due early in Dec must - and post the pictures for me to see!)

hatty so pleased you're thinking of trivia again! And it looks like your worries now will be who won't be looking after DD's and you, rather than who will - as so many people are able to help if necessary.

kimberley I seem to remember I had keynotes in urine at a check up, apparently they're a sign of a possible urine infection (if it is what I'm thinking of) so drink lots of water and get back to GP if you do get an infection.

Hey Everyone!

Slept much better last night.

Husband had to make an appointment with the GP today. I think he's come down with the infection our friend had. I've been washing my hands and everything else in the house like a mad woman! So far I feel fine... so we'll see.

Also... does anyone know what keynotes are in urine? I had my appointment last week and the nurse told me I had keynotes in my urine and also mentioned I needed to eat more (although I feel like I'm already stuffing my face all the time!).

Hope everyone is having an okay day!

That's so sweet Beans! Or these!

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I mean it'd be worth it just to add to the photos to embarrass your son/daughter with when their first girl/boyfriend came round for tea!

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Hatty I'm really happy your neighbours and landlady were happy to help you.
I too am tempted by christmas themed sleepsuits. I just think they would be so cute!!

I have bid on my sling. I am the highest bidder but it doesn't finish until Friday evening so I'm keeping everything crossed I do get it.

Cheers again girls, we just went to see our neighbours and they couldn't have been kinder - I did feel a bit awkward sharing such a personal thing with them but they were so sweet.

Our local lady of the manor, who is our landlady has 4 kids and had placenta previa with her third and fourth - she did have quite bad bleeding and had to be hospitalised but hers moved both times towards the end - they were happy to let her try vaginal delivery because she'd done it twice before and all worked out okay. I think the girls would be delighted to be there, they have a playroom which rivals Hamleys with every possible toy you could imagine - last time we went around the DD's just couldn't believe their eyes!

Feel very reassured that there unless everything goes horribly awry there will be someone to look after the girls and someone to speed me to hospital. Have nearly everything for my hospital bag and have nearly finished the emergency notes - at least all this is giving me some control over the situation which is really helping.

Mibbes you will be just fine - I think what you're describing is very very normal and even if you have put on weight it'll all come off again. I hope you managed to have a lovely birthday anyway?

BAck to trivial questions from me - christmas themed sleepsuits for the new arrivals? Anyone indulging? Last time around everything was matching and white and now I am being tempted by pictures of reindeer!

Aaah, missmama - that's a lovely thing to say. My DH thinks it's all a bit strange that I chat to people I've never met! Bu t it's nice to chat to people in same boat and offload. He can be assured that if I didn't chat to you lot, he'd get a lot more whinging!!!

beans file them with your bank statements - keeps them in tiop top condition!

Just wanted to drop by and say hi to everybody.
I have not missed a single post! But have not had the energy to chat along .
While I am feeling a little weepy emotional I would just like to share that you all feel like friends to me even though I am not joining in much. DH know that I check up on how the girls (thats you lot!) are feeling every night.

ZJ Thats great. Now can you come and find mine please?? I've misplaced them and when looking for them I found DS's scan pictures.

Hopefully when we move I'll find them.

ZJ - hurray you found your scan pics! Does anyone know how to stop them from becoming less defined etc, mine seem to be degenerating, if that makes sense?

ZJ that is so lovely of your DH, and great you found your scan pictures, funny where they were, did you have your scan in July by any chance? maybe you were just being super organised

Mibbes Sometimes I still now look at DS(19 months) when he is feeling ill or having one of his "I'm going to destroy everything" and think "What the hell do I do now"
He was sick one day last week and it was the first time he had properly been sick and I was terrified and had to ring DH who had popped to the shop.
Now I also think about how I'm going to play with DS, look after the baby and do housework, shopping etc.

mibbes your SIL is mean to say that at all but to say it on your birthday (happy birthday by the way) is just insensitive has she ever had a baby. If those friends said it didn't look like you had put on weight i would take their word for it, they know you better. She has issues. And yes it is normal to feel terrified, in fact it lasts a while, i am getting those feeling again now and they are kind of including DS i keep thinking i am going to be busy with the baby and will let him get into something dangerous, like falling down the stairs or drowning or something. However, if you are worried about PND have a chat to your midwife.

Effie it's funny you say about the one bed flat, i was just saying to DH yesterday that i wish we were still in our one bed flat, everything was so close together, i have been trying to wor out where to put the nursing chair would love to put it upstairs in our bedroom as it has lovely sunlight through the window and a nice view but if DS is down stairs can't keep an eye on him. It was so much easier have everything close together in our first place, although i reaslise it is unrealistic with 2 boys.

mibbes - don't worry - sure you're not the only one. Some days I can't WAIT to get the little beast out and start loving it and playing with it and dealing with the lack of sleep etc. Because it does feel like I've been pregnant forever, plus I've always wanted a baby. BUT I'm also terrified that I'll hurt it, or won't be able to cope, or that there'll be something wrong with it.

Overall, I think it's going to be an amazing experience. Being pregnant is such a small part of the whole thing, so once the baby has arrived, then it all kicks off and life will never be the same again - but in a good way. Our focal point won't be the same, but it's so new and exciting and I can't wait to get started! Pregnancy feels a bit like limbo for me! Waiting for reality to kick in. Does any of that make sense? x

Thanks for all the window advice ladies. effie I am mightily impressed at your dh's DIY skills but unfortunately window refurbishment would be WAY beyond my dh!

mibbes sorry to hear you're feeling down. I can't believe the comments people make to you when you're pregnant, no one would ever comment on a woman's size to her face in that way if she wasn't pregnant. Maybe try to comfort yourself by thinking that no one would say you're huge if they meant you are fat, they would only say it meaning that your bump is growing in proportion to the rest of you. Actually reading that it doesn't sound very comforting but I hope YKWIM!

Hi everyone, hope you all had a good weekend?

arti it's really good news about the BP, that must have been a relief. I can't believe the uselessness of getting hold of your results, how difficult is it? Hope the urine tests went as well?

verso I woke with cramp this weekend too, I had a stiff right calf so wriggled my foot and was v pleased to have caught it before it really seized up. Turned over to go back to sleep and realised my whole left calf had completely cramped up and I nearly burst into tears right there. DH woke up, sleepily tried to massage it, which was awful so he got a slap and promptly went back to sleep and left me wimpering. As well as bananas, I’ve also heard milk and tonic water (not together though). Hope you find something that works (and let me know if you do!)

Kimberley your bedding is beautiful, I’m very jealous! I hope that chest infection hasn’t caught up with you.

ladyt v pleased to hear your DP has tidied up, it does make it easier to relax when you’re knackered, if you’re not looking round thinking of jobs that need to be done.

veggie hope the next 2 weeks fly by and your DH is home again v quickly. And well done for finding that sling!

hatty it sounds like you have plenty of options, should you start to bleed, which is great that you can call on people. And I’m sure your neighbours would be willing to help in anyway they can – as you probably would for them if the situation was reversed.

beans and others – I’m also getting a bit irrational. Someone says something (usually DH) and I think out of order but don’t say it cause you know it’s your hormones, but it pops out of my mouth anyway and we end up rowing over nothing. But every time I get cross at the moment I remember how sweet he was after my last MW appt – I rang him to tell him the baby was doing this and measuring that, and he stopped me and said “but what about the mother, how’s she doing, I want to know about you” – what a star. I remind myself everyday of that, when he leaves his toenail trimmings on the sofa (last night’s misdemeanour – imagine if baby had been here and chewed them – tut!)

kayz hurrah for no GD – you definitely deserve a treat!

I made a fantastic discovery yesterday – about 2 months ago I thought I’d lost my 20 wk scan pics and was so upset, mainly cause I thought I’d thrown them away. Yesterday I found them – hurrah . Filed with my July bank statement – now that is bad pregnancy brain!

mibbes don't worry - I don't think you ever feel 101% ready to be a parent - at least I didn't!

There are days when I am still surprised that I am allowed to take DS home with me all by myself and supervise his upbringing.

there is a place on Stroud Green Road in N4 called something like Stroud Green Window company - I've never used them myself but they always have a lot of windows piled up outside when I walk past!

Just to change the subject slightly - is anyone else finding their morning sickness is coming back? I've been sick 3 days in a row now - and am mystified and pissed off. I only stopped being sick at about 20 weeks - I don't want it to start all over again!

hatty so sorry you are having such a stressful time of it, I really hope you can get backup sorted with neighbours, as others have said in the past I bet they'll be more than happy to help and if you manage to hold out until Nov your mum will be there - only 3 weeks

Oh dear so many emotional preggy ladies an dads-to-be. I have been having a lot of wobbly moments too, partly because like others I want to make the most of what child-free time we have left and also the prospect of actually having the responsibility of looking after a real baby is starting to sink in and am terrified . Last night I remembered that a friend had had her baby at 35 weeks and I suddenly burst into tears thinking 'OMG I'm not ready to be a mum in 3 weeks'... not sure I'll be ready in 8 weeks either though so it is starting to freak me out a bit - is this normal ? am worried may that I may be showing signs of antenatal depression and also had a massive tearful moment on Fri when SIL announced 'OMG you are so huge, are you sure there are not 2 in there' in front of loads of people - I felt like a freak show and got really upset as it was my birthday and I just wanted the day not to be about baby/bump for once I managed to keep it together while friends were there but as soon as they left I bawled

Also had MW on Fri and baby has turned from transverse to breech - MW says if still breech at 36 weeks they'll discuss options with me

On a lighter note 3 people said to me on Sat that I looked great and didn't look like I gained any weight apart from the bump so that made me feel better

pix - same as youngvisitor - we bought some flash new thick curtains, and they act as great insulation in the winter as well as being gorgeous. also those foam rubber strips work well. good recommendation to look for local joiners - i might even give them a go myself... can anyone recommend one in north london?

You are all making me so jealous. Our flat is in an old victorian house but all the sash windows were taken out and replaced with boring normal windows. There is only 1 left out in the shared hall and its lovely. We're the only house on the street too that doesn't have the orginal windows.

I'd love to have sash windows!

I just rang the doctors for the results of my blood test and I don't have gestational diabetes!! I feel like celebrating with chocolate cake!!!

oh and re: insulation, the solution that worked best for us was plain white roller blinds plus curtains. Victorian houses are designed with a certain amount of draughts in mind for air ciculation, so I wouldn't wrry about making things completely airtight

Meant to add:

Pixsix - we got a grant for replacing our sash windows. We too live in London in a conservation area. You can also get grants from improving your insulation and energy efficiency.

pixsix: DH actually refurbished our sash windows himself. Took a lot of time (and bad language) but they look really nice now. The main thing I think was replacing the sash cords, then lots of wood filler etc. for the holes, getting the paint off, sanding down and replacing. Depends what kindo f state yours are in, ours were more or less sound apart from dodgy cords and the odd damp patch.

Re: space, we are still ina 1-bed flat (eek!) but we will be moving. Even if we use MIL's as a halfway house.

Morning All

Hatty - I am sorry that you have so much to worry about with the low placenta. You asked how well my SiL bonded with her three after her GA c-sections. The answer is really well. Her husband brought each baby to her as she woke up and he waited right outside the delivery room and they were brought to him the moment they were out. SiL never had PND or anything and breastfed for a year with each .

LadyT - It does sound like you are over doing it. Relax! You have the perfect excuse to do so and you will never have time to relax again .

Veggie - I am nesting too. In fact I decided the whole inside of our house needed re-painting. The decorators arrived today and the place is covered in sheets. We were up to 1am clearing surfaces and taking down pictures etc. I am beginning to think its all a bit OTT, the paint work was only 3 years old in most rooms!

Kay - Good luck in bidding for a good sling. I was really pleased to see from your links that Mothercare have started selling a proper range of slings and not jsut Baby Bjorns.

Beans - Your shopping does not sound OTT at all. With DD1 I brought everything under the sun: matching nursery furniture, special changing tables, rocking chair, new curtains, intercom, buggy, sling, mobiles, toys, sleeping bags, change bag... This time I need much less but have still ordered a new double buggy, a new chest of drawers, a new sling and new curtains (I need blackout curtains to keep the light out).

For those planning to BF for the first time I strongly recommend buying a good breastfeeding pillow before the birth. They are great. They support the baby allowing you to have at least one hand free. They are really comfy and for those first few weeks when baby feeds ALOT they give you a chance to hold a book/tv remote/plate of dinner (cut up by DH!) while feeding. I had this one from John Lewis.

I am shattered today. DD has started waking at 5.30am again (she has been through similar phases before). Its a total killer, God knows what I will do when the baby arrives.

That's a relief TYV! Will look out for some local people and think about new curtains as a temporary measure. Thanks!

No no pix! It will be WONDERFUL for the baby - much less bad than all those built up allergens from lack of air circulation and dry air from over radiation . That's what I tell myself about our drafty old sashes anyway!

We are N London so not much use - but there are a lot of small joiners/wood shops round here that specialise in refurbishing sashes. I think you get loads in conservation areas so if you keep your eyes peeled you will probably find a handful of local joiners who could do the job much cheaper.

Having said that, it's amazing what a difference temporary measures can make - like those little foam strips and brushes. And just getting thick new curtains really helps and is a lot cheaper than new windows, if push comes to shove.

veggie that sounds good but I called the council planning man this morning to ask what I need to do to apply for the permission and he didn't mention a grant. Will look in to it though, thanks!

Thanks wg, I will maybe try the second man as the first sounds like he would be hard to cope with in a pregnant and hormonal state! Did you end up finding any temporary solutions for your windows?

pixsix some friends live in a conservation area and got a grant from their local council to get their sash windows replaced. It was to make sure it was in keeping with the original house and keep the look of the street.

Cross posts SL, yours sound good but I don't think we're allowed uPVC because of the conservation area. I have also heard that new wooden windows are prohibitively expensive. Eeeek, we really need to do something as the wind rattles through the window frames in winter and the house is extremely draughty. I'm guessing that won't be great for the baby.

pixsix - we had 3 quotes for refurbishing earlier this year and i didn't go ahead with of them as i thought it was going to cost a 1/3 of what they eventually quoted me. i think it is a really good idea, though, in an ideal world.

www.draughtsealing.org.uk - have to say the guy who came round patronised me and treated me like an imbecile, so he was never going to get our money, but seemed reputable

www.sashrestorations.co.uk - dh saw him - apparently v nice man

can't find details for the other man.
good luck

hatty - poor poor you. good to be prepared, but hopefully you are preparing for the worst case scenario and once you've got the emergency preparations in place, you will be able to be a bit calmer about it

and to all those fighting with dhs/dps - horrid, isn't it? but i suppose part of the process.

Thanks for the link TYV. I have heard horror stories about how expensive it is to replace the windows sympathetically and we're in a conservation area so have to get the windows approved before we can have them replaced. That's why i was hoping that refurbishment might be possible. I expect we will get quotes and decide it is too expensive. We're in SE London.

pixsix we had our windows done recently, we got uPVC sash windows put in and they look really good, some people don't realise they are not wood. However, we didn't have wood sash windows before (house is Victorian house that would have done originally, but they had been replaced, probably in the 70s, with nasty metal windows) so it wasn't as important to us to get them replaced with wooden sash windows if you see what i mean (though it would've been nice). We were told that getting wood sash windows would cost a fortune by several people.

We're not in london though so can't help on that front. I can let you know how much they cost though for comparison, but not sure off the top of my head.

Beans i definitely don't think you are overreacting but i think your DH is having his own issues about dealing with becoming a father, sharing you with another human being and also the responsibility of providing for a family. I think the things he is saying are more coming from his nervousness about the changes due soon and his own issues. I hope that makes sense i am usually able to explain myself better but as i have a small, practically absent brain that as good as it gets.

We have had a cute morning here in veggie house. DS has been putting his foam bath letters on my belly and watching veggiebaby kick them and make them move. Seems to freak hi out less than actually feeling the kicks.

ROOM is our problem here too - we have a small 2 bed flat and had hoped to have moved by this point, but the credit crunch seems to have scared off any potential buyers.

So at the moment everything I stashed away from DS has had to come out of the loft again and is stacked up in various corners teetering in piles. So wish we could just magic up an extra bedroom - god knows how we will find room to breath when the new baby actually arrives and stretches its limbs!

Pixsix - we looked into this briefly - I think there is some weird legislation now that you can only have windows replaced with doubleglazed ones - but you can get double-glazed box sashes though they are very expensive. We looked at this company here but never got as far as actually having it done, so no idea if they are any good. Refurbishing is a bit different I think. Whereabouts in London are you?

I do think its all down to DH's realising that there will soon be a new baby.

My DH is mainly panicing about getting the double pushchair. Our pram from DS hasn't sold yet and we're getting a little worried about it never selling and we then have 2 pushchairs to find room for.

Another marital 'discussion' here last night.

Ours was about money too, I think the economic situation makes you so nervous about what's going to happen in the coming months and years that it's hard not to start freaking out about expenditure.

Our row was about dh saying we should get the sash windows in our house replaced or refurbished when we move home in November and me saying we shouldn't spend so much money in one go and refusing to listen to reason about lower energy bills, investment in our property etc.

We were saved from a big row as dh was playing a ukulele when we started talking about it and he kept absentmindedly playing little tunes as we were rowing which actually made it quite funny in the end.

So today I am looking for a sash window company to get quotes from. On the off chance, have any of you London ladies had sash windows refurbished or replaced with similar wooden windows? Any recommendations gratefully received....

Yes, think you're right Effie. and I think I over-react, where I probably shouldn't and feel that he's being completely unfair etc. Sure it's normal. I just want to scream at him, but am being very nice to him, all the while crying! haha.

Hatty: glad you;re getting all the arrangements together. You may well never need them - am hoping for a) your placenta to gallop up out of the way or b) a calm planned CS . You will feel better for having emergency plans though.

Beans and others having rows with their partners: me too! I honestly think a lot of it is down to pg hormones. Our bodies are tellign us to concentrate on ourselves and our babies and ignore any distractions which may well involve significant others... I've vowed to make the effort to listen to DH (whcih is reasonable) and try not to make every problem or argument about EMOTIONAL ABUSE OF THE PREGNANT WOMAN. I'm sure we went through a similar stage in the last trimester with DS . Not helped I think by partners starting to freak out that this is really happening and a proper baby is going to arrive any minute!

And just a quick PS - the loads of stuff I'm getting are so far: a pushchair/pram, a cot-top changer, some linen for the single bed in that room, blankets, sling to carry it in, an intercom. PLUS he was in John Lewis with me when we bought it and was choosing it with me, so it's hardly all down to me! We bought a chest of drawers as well, but that's because otherwise we'd have nowhere to put the stuff!! I really don't think I'm going overboard and buying superfluous things. SORRY!

Oh hatty - chin up - I hope you're ok. Try not to worry too much about things and just take each day as it comes. Sounds like you're doing the right thing getting everyone on board now in case of emergency, then you can hopefully relax a bit in the knowledge that you have help on standby.

LT- if it helps, I have no idea who your DH was either, so try not to fret about that.

Had a lovely weekend with my friend down in Winchester - what a gorgeous place. Really made me want to leave London and be a country person! But think I might get a bit bored. Think I'd be ok if I had Diagnosis Murder though. It's such rubbish, but I do love it! Nearly pulled a sickie today, just to watch it! Her baby is 7 weeks old and sleeping through the night. God, dream baby - if only ours will be like that.

Had a HUGE row with DH last night as he seems to think that me wanting my Mum to be around at our home while I'm in labour means that I don't want him involved. Plus I said I was going to do some shopping with her for things like the odd boring baby outfit and nipple cream and pads and nappy-changing things and he said "do you want to have this baby on your own?". I was completely gutted and cried and cried. As far as I'm concerned, he comes first, but if we need back up, I want my Mum involved. Anyway, have slept on it and am feeling a bit better today. When it comes down to it if I'm in labour and demand he get my Mum up, I doubt he'll dare to disobey me. I do feel he's making it all about him and not about the baby - and I'm the one who'll be going through the pain. Maybe I'm being over-sensitive.

Plus he was talking about me being spoilt because I'm getting loads of stuff for the nipper. Erm, it's not for me! Plus (and I feel like I'm labouring this point) it's with vouchers, so I think we should make the best use of those and get nice stuff while we can afford it, without spending our own money! I haven't bought any baby clothes (apart from a bib) and we got the cot from my sister, so I don't feel like I'm going overboard. God, I do sound like a brat. Sorry guys. I don't mean to whinge - it all seems such small stuff. Grrr.

Sorry. Just was getting to me last night. Must grow up.

oh also for the ladies getting 4am cramps, i was ready the 31week round up of the rough guide to pregnancy last week and it was saying that it can be walking too much or too fast. so maybe need to slow down or do less walking around if possible.

oh hatty you poor thing you have so much to consider with all this. I think you will be fine with the bonding, you and your little girl are already bonding now, you will just have a little time while you are briefly apart. Can you talk to the hospital about your husband being allowed to hold your little girl as soon as possible after the birth, if you do have to have the CS.

i bought some of those nose strips that open up the nose a bit as i have been really snuffly at night and waking up shattered. They have worked really well the last few nights, but still being woken about 4 times for indigestion, but at least my bladder manages to coincide with my dodgy heartburn so i go to the loo at the same time.

also jelly brain has struck again, i got the starting day of my BF helper course wrong i thought it was this friday but it was actually last friday oops, hopefully didnt miss too much.

Morning everyone,

Thanks so much for all your kind messages.

waitinggirl i felt exactly the same in my first pregnancy, I think you put it very well - I wanted to meet my babies but was also aware of this precious time slipping away to do things without the restrictions of children.

ladyt thanks so much for your sweet messages, I am tearful again reading them (in the nicest possible way!). Your DH sounded wonderful (and I have no idea who he was either) and your DP sounds amazing as well -glad he is getting some tidying done. I am very impressed with your learning to drive so late in pregnancy. I passed 4th time around, all the best people take a little while! I find it hard enough to work as my brain is so mushy, so I'm impressed at your being able to concentrate on the multi-tasking involved in learning to drive!

arti thank you for telling me about your SIL. I feel much better, although sad that she had to experience the same. I worry a little about bonding because of being asleep for the birth, but I hope that if I bonded with twins I can bond with just one! I think it kept me going breastfeeding as I was getting all the good bonding hormones released that way. Did you SIL find it okay to bond with all three despite the births?

Verso you poor thing with the cramps - hope they are better?

I'm not doing great. Feel like a ticking time bomb like I'm suddenly going to start gushing blood any minute . Made the mistake of looking up placenta previa in the archives, bad move! Have been very ratty, tearful and anxious and my work is just going to pieces. Have been snappy with the DD's who are just doing the things that come naturally to 3 year olds like throwing their food on the floor and refusing to get in the car etc. Picking arguments with DH who is also scared witless of me suddnely going into labour at 30 weeks or bleeding horribly. I thought I'd manage to be a lot more zen-like and instead I am a nervous wreck!

We had lunch with nearby friends yesterday who were brilliant and said they would help all they could. Also need to go and talk to neighbours today and ask them to be on standby, just not sure how to start the conversation as we know them okay but not brilliantly.."err hello, i might suddenly start bleeding copiosuly and need you to take me to hospital whilst your wife looks after my children".

We rent a cottage from a country estate, so luckily they have various staff who are around during the day - so I'm sure they will be happy to help. It also means that an ambulance would take ages to get to us as we're so rural so I'd need someone to drive me.

If I can just get through until early November my mum will be back and can hopefully stay with me. We just can't afford for DH to stop working just in case and he's a good hour away 3 days a week.

Better try and do some work! Sorry for gloom and doom girls.

Morning,

WaitingGirl Sorry you had an emotional day Saturday. Its great your DH sounds so supportive. I had a bit of an outburst too on Saturday. I was moaning about being tired and uncomfortable and DH said jokingly "Well you didn't have to get pg" Which set me off on a "I don't think this baby excites you" rant. After about an hour I managed to laugh about it.

Veggie I could really do with borrowing your nesting instinct. I go to do something then end up feeling exhausted. Also we might be moving before baby comes so I can't help feeling its all pointless if we do end up moving.

I hope everyone is ok. I slept all night last night and it was lovely, BUT I still woke up looking like a zombie!!

oops, posted too soon. Meant to also say, hope everyone's getting lots of rest! See you tomorrow

Hi all, had a busy weekend so first chance I've had to post!

veggie glad you found your sling! And am very impressed with your clearing out skills, need to do that in our room as well!

ladyt I'm another one who doesn't have a clue who your dh is! But agree with others that if you're feeling a bit wobbly about it then ask MN Towers to delete that post.

waitinggirl hope you're feeling better after your emotional outburst yesterday!

I finally spoke to dh about everything and he's been really sweet, said he was so caught up in everything he'd forgotten that I'd be feeling the pressure a bit as well! Anyway, we've agreed to try not to worry about the mortgage until we hear back from them as there isn't anything we can do.

Yesterday, I went to a conference which had Ina May Gaskin speaking and she was just fabulous! It was a long day but worth it.

LadyT no worries at all. it is more a question of knowing who your late dh is and deducing... i doubt v much you would know my dh - he is a comedy writer performer who's done quite a bit on radio 4 & tv, but keeps himself to himself. if you pay your £5 to MN, people can contact you person to person - i think i've done this, but sometimes my knowledge of how to use MN falls short - if you want to talk more. (photos of me and possibly dh on my profile page - can't remember)

anyway, enough of this - let's get back to talking about us, this strange time of pregnancy and forthcoming sproglets.

i have to say i'm loving being pregnant. am v lucky to have had (touch wood and respect and thoughts to those who are having a difficult time of it) an uneventful time of it. also my dh is so supportive, tells me how gorgeous i am all the time and rubs bio-oil into my belly every night and practically beams at the bump. knew there was a reason we got married - our 2nd anniversary is on tues - going out for a meal and then next weekend are booked into fancy hotel on the south coast (flagrantly ignoring the financial maelstrom around us)

i did have a bit of a meltdown yesterday afternoon - it was such a beautiful day, but i felt we were wasting it and i had such a sense of time running out. i wanted to do do do, achieve, achieve, achieve and i think we just didn't communicate very well. i ended up crying for about 3 hours and trying to avoid a row with dh, but just couldn't stop crying. my first real outburst, i think.

feeling full of the joys of this beautiful autumn day in london - wishing you all well

Have been nesting like a women possessed today. As veggiebaby will be sleeping in our room for the first 8-12months i was sorting our room out and clearing room on my side of the bed and generally downsizing all the crap in our bedroom. did very well cleared everything away and our room seems so much bigger now. Also cleared out a lot of my clothes and found loads to give to Oxfam bin. I have managed to find a drawer in our tallboy and a few drawers in DS big chest of drawers for veggiebaby so we won't need to get him his own set. I didnt really want to have a set of drawers for him as i like keeping our rooms simple and as much floor space for open for play and whatever as possible. Now i'm a bit shattered though. DH very kindly cooked me yummy dinner. we are dropping him at the airport tomorrow for his 2 week trip home

LT i think pretty much everyone on here is more interested in being able to say what they want and feel comfortable in the anonymity of MN (except when we meet i guess) i don't thi