To not understand ouija boards?

(154 Posts)
FairyPig Thu 07-Aug-14 10:30:48

So I've been reading on here (and other places) how these things aren't to be messed with, they're dangerous, they bring unwanted things into the house, how they're scary, etc.

I'm not wanting to dispute people's experiences but I honestly don't get it. It's a board with letters on and a glass in the middle. How does a board with numbers on and a glass enable ghosts and evil spirits to get through? How does a board enable a portal to be open to all sorts of evil spirits? What make an ouija board different to any other board to make them 'dangerous', 'scary' and 'not to be messed with'?

Speaking of ghosts and demons, why would they even need a portal to get through, can't they get through themselves?

Again not trying to dismiss anyone's experiences but I am seriously baffled how a board with numbers on and a glass can be magical and be able to do these things.

I've also recently learned that Toy's R Us in the US sell them, not sure if they sell them in UK branches, but that did make me go hmm considering how many adults take them seriously and seem scared of them.

That aside, even though logically it seems silly to me I would still never use one. You know, just in case...

LEMmingaround Thu 07-Aug-14 10:32:04

Stop sniffing glue - this will help

Marcipex Thu 07-Aug-14 10:33:20

It's pretend.

Hakluyt Thu 07-Aug-14 10:35:23

Play with one if you want to. It can't possibly do any harm.

Beeyump Thu 07-Aug-14 10:36:37

Ahh, ouija boards... I scoff at them, but also never use one. confused

FairyPig Thu 07-Aug-14 10:36:47

But how do you know for sure?

Beeyump Thu 07-Aug-14 10:37:03

*also would never use one

PourquoiTuGachesTaVie Thu 07-Aug-14 10:39:44

I think the danger comes from the effect they can have on people's minds. I don't believe they can be used to contact the dead but I do believe that other people will believe that they can. Once the idea is in their head then that is what is dangerous for highly suggestible people/underlying mental health issues etc.

NigellasDealer Thu 07-Aug-14 10:41:22

you dont need a board just a table and a glass.
my mother used to say it was really dangerous and I agree

FairyPig Thu 07-Aug-14 10:48:36

But why? How does it work?

noblegiraffe Thu 07-Aug-14 10:49:36

They can make people think that something evil/upsetting has happened and that can have bad effects on someone's mental health, especially if they were in a vulnerable position to start with, which they may well be if they were trying to contact the dead.

StrawberryMouse Thu 07-Aug-14 10:50:21

Agree with Porquoi, people's minds can be dark places. I don't believe in the occult but remember being warned off ouija boards by my mother as a teenager and she was right. If anything had happened I would have been terrified.

noblegiraffe Thu 07-Aug-14 10:51:14

They work through the ideomotor effect. The person using the board is controlling it whether they know they are or not.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideomotor_phenomenon

FrankSaysNo Thu 07-Aug-14 10:51:39

They are dangerous things. They play on the vulnerable. However whether you believe of not in ghosts, spirits, the afterlife, and so forth, no reputable medium will use one either.

America also sells guns

Beeyump Thu 07-Aug-14 10:54:43

It always seems to be people's mums warning them off ouija boards.

OneSkinnyChip Thu 07-Aug-14 10:56:34

Rationally speaking they are nonsense but I still find them creepy. I think it's a legacy of those local urban legends that used to go round when we were kids about so-and-so who played with the Ouija board and then x happened.

sunflower49 Thu 07-Aug-14 10:57:49

My Father is the most skeptic, rationalist person ever-doesn't believe in anything 'out there'.

He used a ouija board as a teenager and has said he'll never use one again as the experience scared the life out of him, but he'll never tell me why!

Hakluyt Thu 07-Aug-14 10:59:19

"They play on the vulnerable. "
Ouija boards don't. Psychics and other similar low life do.

lettertoherms Thu 07-Aug-14 11:00:02

They're sold here in the US as toys, and I've never seen a genuine worry/fear in them here, only schoolyard taunting. Mumsnet was the first place I saw adults having an issue with them.

I'm actually very open to woo, but I don't understand the Ouija board thing either.

LittleprincessinGOLDrocks Thu 07-Aug-14 11:02:40

We used a ouigi board once at high school (well a glass and some paper) after seeing it on some TV show. We got a message through that a girl in the circle (whose name was spelled out) would go to A and E. It kept spelling out A and E over and over again (well AANDE). That same afternoon the girl named broke her ankle playing hockey.
That was enough to put me off using one again.

As a grown up I realise it could have been (and most likely was) one of the other girls moving the glass, and a total co-incidence that the girl mentioned got injured. It is also possible that they were just randomly repeating the same letters without any actual meaning - but we put that and her injury together to make A and E, IYSWIM? But at the time it was too much of a co-incidence for anyone in the group.

lettertoherms Thu 07-Aug-14 11:03:06

America also sells guns

Yes, we do seem to have a history of selling things the British are afraid of!

wink

Butterpuff Thu 07-Aug-14 11:07:50

Oh I love a good ghostly chat!

I guess it falls into two camps, if you believe in spirits (good and evil) then the reputation of the Ouija board, all those urban legend stories etc. working on susceptible minds. So you should stay away in case you or one of the group has a susceptible mind.

If you believe in spirits, both good and bad then any method of inviting them into your presence and trying to communicate with them must be dangerous. A bit like stranger danger, you don't know who you are getting involved with.

No idea why the majority of Ouija experiences seem to be bad rather than good though, while automatic writing, séances, divination etc. doesn't seem to get anywhere near such a bad rep.

Anyone tried one and have a story to tell?....or is everyone like sunflower where the story is second hand with the essential details missing.

StrawberryMouse Thu 07-Aug-14 11:09:06

Maybe there was some kind of awareness movement in the 70s Beey? Mothers Against Ouiji Boards or similar? grin

Pandora37 Thu 07-Aug-14 11:11:17

My mum had a horrible experience using one as a teenager and had lots of strange things happen to her afterwards. Could be coincidental of course but she said it affected her for years (although she won't tell me exactly how). Terrified me for life! Kids used to play with them at school but I always refused, I didn't want to take the risk.

Teddybeau1988 Thu 07-Aug-14 11:17:28

My mum made one with her friends when she was a teenager. It spelt out one of their names and the word 'glass' . A few weeks later said friend fell through a glass coffee table any nearly bleed to death from glass stuck in his neck.

I done one yonks ago. Although some one was pushing it and spelling out Easter bunny and Santa. My friend was really scared after and was terrified of the dark and going upstairs or to the loo alone.

FergusSingsTheBlues Thu 07-Aug-14 11:21:25

I'd agree, thought it was a veritable crockashit...did one...would never again. Also, we used a shot glass which forever (I mean years after) just smelt so strongly of lavender. (Old lady scenario going on)

Teddybeau1988 Thu 07-Aug-14 11:27:19

I wonder how ghosts/ paranormal things manage to make things smell. After my granddads funeral the whole house suddenly smelt of his pipe smoke, despite no one else in he family being a smoker. It wafted through and then disappeared. Mum thinks it was him saying goodbye.

LittleprincessinGOLDrocks Thu 07-Aug-14 11:31:07

Butterpuff mine was first hand, see my last post just before yours.

SirChenjin Thu 07-Aug-14 11:31:52

I did one once - never again. Was bloody terrifying. And if one of the 3 of us managed to push the glass with such controlled force, at such a speed, at something that started off as nothing but a joke, then I am amazed.

Beeyump Thu 07-Aug-14 11:34:53

Aaaargh, I hate when people begin to pile in to say 'did it once, never again'. It's so frightening! And that bit about the lavender scented shot glass shock

Beeyump Thu 07-Aug-14 11:35:53

Clearly I am one of those with an easily influenced mind, which is a bit depressing.

Butterpuff Thu 07-Aug-14 11:39:26

Sorry Little I type slow and x posted. Glad to see lots of people now with first hand experiences. I wasn't questioning if they were true....just looing for scary stories with all the details smile I'm hoping this is a long thread to keep me entertained today.

PourquoiTuGachesTaVie Thu 07-Aug-14 11:40:29

It's all in your head! (IMO don't wish to offend blush).

If you handed that glass to a stranger and asked them to sniff it, would they really be able to smell lavender? (Without any influence from you of course)

If a board spelled "glass" (as pp said) then the first glass related incident to happen afterwards is picked up on. Someone may have broken a glass or been bought a set of new ones and that would be the story you would be telling about the board that spelled "glass" mysteriously.

WhatsGoingOnEh Thu 07-Aug-14 11:44:58

I did one at work (leaving party), it said I'd marry the bf I was dating at the time.

I didn't.

BUT... My Dad (world's biggest sceptic) did one as a teenager. It said it had a message for "David" -- my Dad's real name that he never used, he calls himself John. It then spelled out what everyone thought was a load of crap - until they saw Dad's face had gone white. The random letters were actually the numberplate of the car that Dad's best friend had just died in.

Mum (world's smallest sceptic) used to do them all the time when she was young. Once she asked, "who am I going to marry?" It spelled out the initials DB. Years later she met my Dad and of course, thought he was John B----. Till their second date, when she went to his house just after his birthday. All the cards on his mantelpiece said "to John", "dear john," etc... Then she saw the one from his Mum who'd written "to David". DB!

Dad actually proposed on that second date.

VitoCorleone Thu 07-Aug-14 11:47:34

They are weird. I don't believe in ghosts and all that tosh, and know that its usually somebody pushing the glass but pretending they aren't, but yet they still freak me out and i wouldn't use one.

confused

LittleprincessinGOLDrocks Thu 07-Aug-14 11:47:53

Did anyone who has done a ouigi board do them in a place where there is believed to be paranormal activity?
The one I spoke about before was done at school, but our school was used as a hospital during the war. There were rumours around the school about before it being a hospital of a family living there and one of them dying in odd circumstances (a fall from the stairs that may not have been a fall type of story). As well as stories of nurses and patients dying in odd circumstances too (never looked in to them TBH - but we did know for a fact it was a hospital for those injured at war).
Odd things would happen, particularly on one corridor that was added to the manor house shortly before it was turned in to the hospital. Often the black boards would rotate when the teacher moved away from the board (and this happened in all of the rooms on that corridor - not just one). Doors would slam suddenly even when there was no breeze, and it was like a domino effect - a door at one end would slam then any open doors along the corridor would then slam in order down to the other end.
Our History teacher used to say a name (one she had chosen for the "ghost") and ask it to stop being a pest, so she clearly believed it was a ghost up to mischief.

Maybe given all that the ouigi board event made us more scared / more susceptible? Or maybe it was the ghost my History teacher named.

SirChenjin Thu 07-Aug-14 11:52:28

No - did it in my friend's bedroom. Definitely no paranormal activity in her modern 3 bed semi!

None of us were pushing the glass - we started off pushing it, but because there was only 3 of us we could tell because we could tell were the pushing was coming from, if that makes sense, and then we all started pushing the glass against each other and having a complete carry on. Then it started to get very weird - it definitely moved by itself, and it was very strong and controlled, but very fast.

Anyway, I know most of you won't believe me smile

LittleprincessinGOLDrocks Thu 07-Aug-14 11:52:59

No worries Butterpuff I'm a slow typer too. I realise now I sounded harsher than I meant to, sorry about that - was busy shouting at BT as I typed.

sebsmummy1 Thu 07-Aug-14 11:57:01

I would bet that most of the people on here who love to rock up on the Wooooo threads and call everyone idiots would not touch a Ouija board with a barge pole. Which is interesting as if there is no such thing as life after death/spirits/guides/ghosts then how in earth could they manifest through using a board ?

Personally I do believe in spirits but I don't believe in the power of a Ouija board in the hands of laypeople. I would never touch one because I am too superstitious to risk feeling as though I had somehow cursed myself or my family, but I think they work through fear and all the terrible stories you hear about misfortune after people use one just breeds that.

PourquoiTuGachesTaVie Thu 07-Aug-14 12:02:30

So I haven't and wouldn't call anyone an idiot (in case that was aimed at me) but no I wouldn't touch one myself because I don't want to mess with my head.

I don't watch horror films because they affect me too badly so the last thing I would ever do is encourage my brain to think I've spoken to a ghost. I still don't believe in them, but as I said I believe in the power of the human mind.

And also in a long family history of mental illness that I have no wish to mess around with.

SpeedofSound0 Thu 07-Aug-14 12:04:48

Myself and a couple of friends were messing about with a ouija board as teenagers.

Anyway, it spelt out one of my friend's names, the word family, and then death. The glass flew off the table and smashed against the patio doors. We all freaked out (understatement).

Her father dropped dead with a massive heart attack a couple of days later, he was only 35. Her mother and her other siblings were killed in a RTA a month later.

Co-incidence? Maybe, but my parents went ape when they found out what we'd been doing.

Needless to say I would never go near a ouija board again, just in case. It may have been co-incidental, but my instincts tell me it was a premonition.

SirChenjin Thu 07-Aug-14 12:04:58

How do you think they work through fear? We didn't fear it at all when we started off - it was just a huge giggle for 3 very young teenagers, and it was many years before t'internet so we only had a vague idea of what it was - we hadn't watched endless YouTube clips and worked ourselves into a terrified frenzy.

Shoopshoop2 Thu 07-Aug-14 12:19:20

My DM used an ouija board by herself. She decided one year, to use it to predict the Ascot race winners,despite not previously having gambled (that I know of). So off she trotted,to the High St. bookies for the first 3 days,placing her bets,and collecting her winnings. I relayed this daily news to my colleagues at work,and we decided that we'd all place a bet on her next winner. The horse lost,which must have been a relief to the bookies grin and that was the end of her blossoming career.

Coincidence?

DogCalledRudis Thu 07-Aug-14 12:23:51

Never did and i think its very very wrong.

hennybeans Thu 07-Aug-14 12:44:25

I have a first hand Ouija story. I was 10, my dad had died a year earlier, and my aunt (an adult) and I were using it. She was asking questions about my dad and then decided to ask how long would we live. The answer I got was 76. The answer she got was 56. I can remember very clearly the ages because my aunt was a bit sad 56 was so young and I was trying to cheer her up by saying 56 was sooo old. That experience always stuck in head and as my aunt got older I was sorting of waiting for her to get past 56.

My aunt died 5 years ago from a heart attack. She was 56.

Honestly, of course it could be just coincidence. But do I believe that I will live to 76? Yes.

I don't personally believe it works through spirits or ghosts but I'm not sure how a Ouija board works. I haven't touched one since. I don't think you should really know information like that as I think about it fairly often.

sebsmummy1 Thu 07-Aug-14 12:55:22

The fear comment I made was the after effects of using the Ouija board.

So taking SpeedOfSound's story as an example - her story only has any real weight because of what happened afterwards. If no one had died suddenly and unexpectedly there would really be very little to say. The glass suddenly spun off the table and smashed, could have been any one of the teenagers, could have been a wonky table, there is no telling. I'm sure there are tens of thousands of Ouija board stories where bugger all happened but of course no one tells those as they are boring grin

sebsmummy1 Thu 07-Aug-14 12:58:00

Pourquoi pretty much sums up my thinking. It's a case of messing with your head and screwing up how you view things. It's like saying bad things come in threes, before you know it you've had two accidents and you are looking out for a third. We can find what we are looking for in most things if we try hard enough, the good and the bad, the pure and the evil.

SpeedofSound0 Thu 07-Aug-14 13:00:21

I think that might be a mind suggestive thing.

A bit like when the Aborigines would point the bone at a person, the power of the mind. You could talk yourself into an early grave.

Hakluyt Thu 07-Aug-14 13:00:33

Coincidences happen all the time.

Jackie0 Thu 07-Aug-14 13:01:49

I have done this with friends about 20 years ago. Answers were spelled out but I wasn't afraid because in my heart of hearts I thought someone was pushing the glass. However some very spooky things happened in the property afterwards and I moved out.
To be honest id do it again. I'm quite interested in spirit boxes and the like and have had signs from my grandmother around the time I saw a medium. I find it fascinating. I'm not easily scared at all.

Panzee Thu 07-Aug-14 13:03:26

I used one at school and we all managed to frighten ourselves with odd goings on after. Typical teenage drama queen stuff!

Hakluyt Thu 07-Aug-14 13:03:35

"I would bet that most of the people on here who love to rock up on the Wooooo threads and call everyone idiots would not touch a Ouija board with a barge pole."

I would try to avoid calling anyone an idiot. But I would cheerfully touch a ouija board. And if it moved, I would without any doubt at all be able to find out what was making it move.

mommy2ash Thu 07-Aug-14 13:04:52

to me it's not the board but the intention I don't think people realise how powerful your intention can be. I do believe that if with your intention you allow energies in bad things may happen as you can't control it. I'm quite spiritual and very into meditation but I only practice with one person that I trust implicitly as I don't think anything like that should be undertaken lightly.

I went to a fortune teller once and I'm not sure why but both my friend and I were very ill after. I spent a week wanting to through myself against a wall and feeling very depressed. I went to meditation and worked through it to get rid of anything heavy I was holding onto. my friend didn't and she ended up quite ill and was going back and forth to the doctor for a few months afterwards.

sebsmummy1 Thu 07-Aug-14 13:22:01

Mommy it's funny you mention fortune tellers as I was always very gung-ho about having tarot readings etc and it didn't bother me at all. Now I have my son and my lovely DP I would not put myself in a position to get a potentially horrible ear worm from a random stranger wielding cards.

SpeedofSound0 Thu 07-Aug-14 13:27:42

No sebsmummy1 If you read my post, I stated quite clearly that the glass flew off the board and smashed against the patio doors.

It flew so fast as if something had picked it up and aimed it against the doors, we only had our index fingers on the glass.

Also, to hit the patio doors, that glass had to travel through the living room and the open double doors into the dining room to hit the doors leading to the patio area.

The OP's thread is about not understanding Ouija boards, that is the point, none of us really do understand these things.

There is so much the human mind cannot comprehend and things which scientists cannot understand, there are forces beyond our control, whatever form they may be or take.

There is/was a famous British Parapsychologist called Joan Forman whose books I read as a teen in the 1990s, these were published in the '70s. A perfectly rational and intelligent woman, and even she said she thought it was dangerous to mess about with a Ouija or Planchett board.

noblegiraffe Thu 07-Aug-14 13:33:13

And yet a million pound prize to show that something like an ouija board actually works still remains unclaimed.

It's baffling, seeing as so many people seem to have been successful in contacting the spirit world via them.

Hakluyt Thu 07-Aug-14 13:33:53

"There is/was a famous British Parapsychologist........ A perfectly rational and intelligent woman"

Perfect example of an oxymoron!

SpeedofSound0 Thu 07-Aug-14 13:38:28

Hakluyt What do you mean by that statement?

I said is/was because I don't know whether she is still alive or not. And she came across as being an intelligent and rational woman, and certainly widely respected.

So what's with the attitude?

sebsmummy1 Thu 07-Aug-14 13:56:55

SpeedOfSound the only one coming across with a bit of an attitude is you. People are allowed to have differing views and air them.

Hakluyt Thu 07-Aug-14 14:02:22

Attitude?

I was merely pointing out that it is impossible to be both intelligent and rational and believe in the paranormal.

Stinkle Thu 07-Aug-14 14:03:26

When I was a teenager a group of 4 of us were messing about in one of the group's cellar with a ouija board.

It was a Victorian 2 up, 2 down sort of terrace. Nothing remarkable, no stories about it being haunted or built on a grave yard or anything like that. They'd converted the cellar into a sort of TV room/den

4 of us sitting on the floor with our index fingers on a glass (one of those thick, heavy, cut glass whiskey tumblers). We were all a bit nervous, but for a while absolutely nothing happened so we relaxed, started messing about and giggling, when all of a sudden the glass started to vibrate, then flew off the board, catching one of my friends on the shoulder, and smashed against the wall about 12 feet away.

Bearing in mind, the glass was on the floor and it flew upwards, it was like someone had picked it up and thrown it for it to have travelled that far and smashed. We only had our index fingers on it and we'd all hushed up and were watching the glass when we felt it start to vibrate. I'm not sure how anyone could flick a glass upwards and with enough force for it to smash against a wall 12 feet away, with just their index finger

Nothing happened afterwards as far as I know and friend didn't report any odd stuff happening in her house

Our parents all hit the roof when we told them what we'd done

I'm quite sceptical when it comes to ghosts and stuff and I think most of the time there are perfectly rational explanations when it comes to odd happenings, but I've never touched ouija board again

SpeedofSound0 Thu 07-Aug-14 14:03:33

No, it is the snippy little comments that some people make sebsmummy. I don't twist other people's posts and highlight and pour scorn on a statement. smile

I don't have a problem with anybody, but I will come back at somebody if it is warranted.

Hakluyt Thu 07-Aug-14 14:07:09
SpeedofSound0 Thu 07-Aug-14 14:13:51

Why? Hakluyt So you are saying that anybody who believes in the paranormal is irrational and not very intelligent?

There are things that nobody can ever fully explain, so even scientists cannot apply rational explanations to everything, though they try to apply logic to everything.

Beeyump Thu 07-Aug-14 14:15:38

'I was merely pointing out that it is impossible to be both intelligent and rational and believe in the paranormal.'

Brilliantly insulting! grin

sebsmummy1 Thu 07-Aug-14 14:18:58

PMSL. I wonder why all the spirits like smashing the glasses against walls and doors? It's very strange.

Hakluyt Thu 07-Aug-14 14:19:21

"Why? Hakluyt So you are saying that anybody who believes in the paranormal is irrational and not very intelligent?"

Certainly irrational. And certainly deficient in one area of intelligence, yes. They may be incredibly intelligent in other areas.

MollyHooper Thu 07-Aug-14 14:21:01

It's just the done thing among the sceptics of MN to be insulting. It's really trendy! Or something. confused

specialsubject Thu 07-Aug-14 14:24:33

I'm quite happy to volunteer to use a ouija board. Predict away. It will make no difference.

there IS a rational explanation which has been posted twice here. Refusing to believe in science doesn't change it.

mind how you go, everyone. Not believing in gravity doesn't mean you can't trip up.

TalcumPowder Thu 07-Aug-14 14:26:06

I'm with Hakluyt. Ouija boards are only scary, powerful portals into the occult if you're a suggestible (possibly drunk or high) teenager. Virtually every scary story on this thread either happened when the poster was very young or is hearsay.

SpeedofSound0 Thu 07-Aug-14 14:26:11

But that is just your opinion.

So not very important really overall then.

I am glad I only believe in co-incidences. smile

TalcumPowder Thu 07-Aug-14 14:28:14

PS, am perfectly happy to use an ouija board with a bunch of masked strangers in the dark basement of a haunted house. At midnight on Halloween. While reciting the Lord's Prayer backwards.

soverylucky Thu 07-Aug-14 14:35:19

I never understand why spirits try to communicate in such a limited way.
A ouiji board?
I watch that show with that bloke who contacts the dead - colin fry?? and the messages that come through are so vague or unclear. He says - "I'm getting some information about a wheelbarrow in a green field" and someone comes forward and says "that will be my husband Barry who was a gardener" or something similar. Well why didn't Barry just come through to Colin and say "This is Barry Smith, husband of Betty who lives at 27 Green street. I mean it always puzzles me that they can give long rambling descriptions about really random things but can't be clear on the specifics.

We have a deal in our family and have for years. We have all told each other - grandparents, aunts, uncles siblings etc that when we die if we can find a way of getting through to the living then we will. It has never happened.

Hakluyt Thu 07-Aug-14 14:40:05

Yep- odd that, isn't it, sovery? grin

MollyHooper Thu 07-Aug-14 14:41:58

I believe that the Colin Frys of this world do not speak with the dead. the spirits show them things. So it's difficult for them to be as specific as 'Yo bro, this is Barry!'

I don't believe Colin Fry actually does this but that's what he tells people.

KingJoffreysBloodshotEye Thu 07-Aug-14 14:43:06

I had a Ouija Board.

I love a bit of woo and was well up for contacting spirits.

Had candles, a lovely relaxing room, incense - all perfect.

Nothing. No bugger showed up. I was well pissed off..!

soverylucky Thu 07-Aug-14 14:46:44

Why then can't he see a man with dark brown shoulder length hair, clean shaven wearing round rimmed glasses. He has a small mole above his left eye and is wearing some sort of overall. Why does he just see the letter B?
Such a load of rubbish isn't it?

MollyHooper Thu 07-Aug-14 14:54:02

Oh golly, I know the 'answer' to that too thanks to summer spent on the sofa watching ITV2 in my teens. It still doesn't make sense though, you're right.

I am not a sceptic, I do however take issue with so-called mediums who take advantage of people. Even more so as one recently preyed on a vulnerable family member of mine.

Stinkle Thu 07-Aug-14 15:22:37

I got talked into accompanying a friend to a spiritualist meeting a couple of years ago.

I hated it.

Full of bereaved people, especially really elderly ladies, desperate for some kind of message from their loved ones. My friend had recently lost her father unexpectedly and just wanted some final message from him

Lots of "I'm getting a message from a D, oh, maybe P, or B, or C" "they're young, maybe 5 or 6, actually maybe 16" "I can see Jack, or John, maybe it's Paul holding a fishing rod, or maybe it's a watering can".

It made me really angry, these people were so clearly desperate for some sort of comfort - at £25 per head

SirChenjin Thu 07-Aug-14 15:49:13

I went to a spiritualist church several years ago with some people from work - cost me nothing, and it was complete voyeurism, I freely admit. One of the men in our group, a complete non-believer who fancied one of the woman we went with, decided to come along, and sat and sniggered and rolled his eyes. Then the spiritualist asked if he could give him a message. Told his all about his mother who had died in a fire several decades earlier, about his childhood in a home, and how a man of the cloth had been instrumental in raising him and guiding him, and how he was very fond of this man - but how he had never heard him preach, and how he knew him by his first name as opposed to Father. All of it true.

I have no idea how he knew this - but it certainly wiped the smile off his face. He was not happy, and very unsettled by it. If it was pre-organised then they did a very good job of planning it!

Turquoisetamborine Thu 07-Aug-14 16:06:11

That's creepy Sirjenchin!

U2TheEdge Thu 07-Aug-14 16:25:40

I used to go to a spiritualist church for years on end as I was raised as a spiritualist.

I had some really good messages, really good ones that I find hard to find a logical explanation for. Things like date of births, talking about the music I listen to (which was not the typical music a 15 year old listened to) they even talked about my mums old house, the colour of the walls and lots of other stuff which wasn't exactly groundbreaking, but put together it made me wonder. I still can't think of a logical explanation for how they knew this stuff as I had never met them before and no one else up the church knew anything about me and most of the mediums travelled from London so didn't even know anyone in the area. A few of the messages were very personal that only my mum knew about me. How did the medium know I had a son at the age of 17 and for my 18th birthday I got a photo blown up and it was hanging in my bedroom and where the frame came from, which had sentimental value? How did they know that my mum's first boyfriend lived at number 36 and died when he was 36 years old of a heart attack? my mum hadn't thought about him for years.. I didn't even know that! I have no idea how they knew that I had a child with special needs when I never took him there or told anyone up the church about him. They knew about a health condition I had which was not common in my age group and has no outward signs so the only people who would know about that were my parents, friends and my GP.

However, on the flip side, I have seen so many people feed them the answers. A medium will tell them they have someone with red hair and they will reply with 'oh that's my nan, she died of lung cancer' and they continue to feed them information. I never did this. I would only shake or nod my head.

All the skeptics cry coincidence, but really, the stuff I have been told is not a coincidence. I don't think it is a coincidence that they guessed my mums ex boyfriend's age of death and how he died, a long with the number house he lived at, for example.

I don't know what it is though. I am a skeptic myself these days and left the church years ago and became an agnostic. A part of me, because of my experiences still has that tiny bit of belief, but I think most likely that when we die we leave energy behind and some people can tap into that.. I don't know if it is spirits, but some mediums are so good at what they do that I think there is something to it; even if it isn't actually spirits giving the information.

Right now I kind of want to believe again because my ex died and I love the idea that he can still see our children grow up, it breaks my heart to think that he is missing everything and it offers a bit of comfort to think he might be looking down on them. On the other hand, I hate the idea that there might be a spirit world because when I die, I just want to die and not go anywhere else, thank you very much.

There is so much we don't know, I think it is arrogant to think you know either way for sure. Which is why I am agnostic I guess.

Panzee Thu 07-Aug-14 16:29:25

I reckon the preacher knew his mum.

Bizkit Thu 07-Aug-14 16:38:57

I find it all very fascinating.
I've not used a Ouija board myself but have heard stories from others, my mum thinks my uncle has never been the same since he used one. A friend at work has used one twice I think both times the end result was the glass flying off the table with a unexplained force. Just the thought of a Ouija board seems to freak some people out.
I watched a film a few years back which really freaked me out and they done one in that then something came and killed them one by one it stuck with me for years, I think it was freaky because you never actually saw what was doing the killing, can't remember the name of the film though!

Hakluyt Thu 07-Aug-14 16:47:49

"If it was pre-organised then they did a very good job of planning it!"

The good ones do. That's how they make their money.

Beeyump Thu 07-Aug-14 16:55:42

I like your determined spirit, Hakluyt.

Ooo, spirit!

KidLorneRoll Thu 07-Aug-14 17:00:32

It's all nonsense. All of it. What do we really think is more likely, that these people can really talk to the dead, or that they are just (admittedly clever) frauds and charlatans often preying on the vulnerable and desperate?

thegreylady Thu 07-Aug-14 17:11:27

I had experience of this 50 years ago when I was a teenager. It was terrifying. It spelled out the exact date of my grandma's death with her initials. Coincidence? Maybe but I would never ever do it again.

noblegiraffe Thu 07-Aug-14 17:18:09

Cold reading can look very impressive. Derren Brown does it brilliantly and he's not psychic. It's a magic trick.

MollyHooper Thu 07-Aug-14 17:41:12

I think cold reading is a tricky one for me.

There are of course the people out there who are doing it to are consciously dong this to make money (like the person I spoke of earlier). However I do believe there are others who are unaware that they are actually cold reading and truly think they have clairvoyant ability and are helping people.

Then there are accounts such as SirChenjin and U2 have posted about which are pretty hard to explain.

Just saying 'Oh they just planned it! They obviously did their research!' is a pretty lazy response. How?

soverylucky Thu 07-Aug-14 17:42:16

There was a link someone posted on here ages ago of a website which shows quite clearly how cold reading works - even with yes or no. I can't remember what it was I just remember you thought of someone you knew who had died and you answered the questions and it showed how seemingly personal details could apply to lots of people.

MollyHooper Thu 07-Aug-14 17:44:01

There are of course the people out there who are doing it to are consciously dong this to make money

I have no idea what happened with that sentence. grin

There are of course the people out there who are doing it consciously to make money.

Pipbin Thu 07-Aug-14 17:59:27

Ouija boards are made and sold by Parker Bros which is now part of Hasbro.
Originally they were designed as a parlour game and had nothing to do with contacting the dead. They have always be sold as a toy.

Derren Brown did an interesting thing where he 'disproved' ouija boards entirely.

londonrach Thu 07-Aug-14 18:03:09

Be careful. My sisters mil and fil went to a party with one in the 1970s. When the board was brought out they didn't feel happy and left. Within the next yeAr the four couples who stayed died in various accidents.

Meid Thu 07-Aug-14 18:18:05

I am also in the camp of tried it once and never again. Was stunned when the glass moved swiftly around the table spelling out a name.

But do I believe we were communicating with a dead person? Nah, that doesn't make sense to me. I have also seen 'ghosts' but the idea that i saw dead people is just weird. I don't have another explanation for these things but communicating with the dead is not the first thing that comes to mind.

PolkadotsAndMoonbeams Thu 07-Aug-14 18:23:44

Cold reading's really interesting - and it is possible to do it and not realise.

For example, at home we used to play a lot of whist, and I could often tell what my sister would play (not exact card, if I hadn't counted, but if she'd win the trick or not). It took me a very long time to realise I was picking up a 'tell' of hers, in fact I only realised because when my DB was old enough to join in he had a very very obvious one (no poker face at six grin). Once I began to look out for my DSis's I could see it, but yes, up until that point I had wondered if I was accidently mind-reading!

SirChenjin Thu 07-Aug-14 18:34:07

I reckon the preacher knew his mum

Don't think so - his mum had died when he was a boy some 40 years earlier in a completely different part of Scotland. The preacher was younger than him. I honestly don't think there was any planning involved - we got completely lost on the way to the church, ended up in the wrong part of town, only got there as it was starting. If he and the spiritualist had planned it before hand then he did an incredibly good job of acting, both at the church and afterwards - he seemed genuinely very upset and unsettled.

SirChenjin Thu 07-Aug-14 18:35:17

The whole "I see a woman, her name is Jean, Jane" type thing is ridiculous though - just about every family in Scotland has an Auntie Jean

alemci Thu 07-Aug-14 18:36:16

I would stay away from them, not nice

noblegiraffe Thu 07-Aug-14 19:06:08

Molly how do psychics do it?
Well there was the interesting case of when Sally Morgan, psychic to the stars, managed to contact a dead person who was entirely fictional www.theguardian.com/science/2012/mar/06/sally-morgan-best-loved-psychic possibly based on information she had gleaned before and during the show.

Then there's the healer who was getting his messages from god. Or rather, as James Randi exposed, from his wife who chatted with audience members before the show and then fed him information via a hearing aid en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Popoff#Investigation_by_James_Randi

Of course you get audience members who go away remembering the incredible 'hits' and forgetting the inexplicable numerous misses, or ascribing their own meaning to vague statements or even who just go along with what the psychic says because they are too embarrassed to call them out in public. I bet Facebook and the internet has made a psychic's job a lot easier too.

Anyway, even if I can't explain how psychics do it, I'm perfectly comfortable with disbelieving their claims. I went to a Derren Brown show where he read tonnes of information from audience members minds, that he couldn't have possibly known. I don't know how he did it but given that he can do it without the supernatural, it's reasonable to assume that there is a non-supernatural explanation for psychics.

Hakluyt Thu 07-Aug-14 19:07:03

"I like your determined spirit, Hakluyt.

Ooo, spirit!"

grin
My dd has a pony called Spirit. She is very determined. It must be a Sign.

SirChenjin Thu 07-Aug-14 19:14:51

There's loads on Darren Brown and how he does it online - I've seen stuff of his on TV and he does amazing things, but this spiritualist was completely different. He didn't start off with vaguer statements and work to the specifics - it was just a stream of words, and he didn't stop to check for validation, or ask any questions. It was also very specific, as opposed to the "you are a sensitive person and I see travel this year" type BS.

If he used the same techniques as DB then he is the one who should be on the TV, because he was far, far better than DB!

noblegiraffe Thu 07-Aug-14 19:22:13

SirChenjin then if he is that good, why isn't he on TV earning a fortune or whatever?

He got the information either from your friend, using cold reading, or otherwise, or from elsewhere. Not from the dead.

Sorry to go back, on the 'intelligent parapsychologist' debate, it didnt say anywhere that she believed in that post (she may well do, but its not in the post!). A lot of parapsychologists study it to find the scientific reasonings for whatever, not to look for 'real' ghosts.

I've done a ouija board so many times i cant count. Nothing happened.

Hakluyt Thu 07-Aug-14 19:26:30

Noble giraffe- for the same reason nobody's claimed the JRF dollars- because they don't take money for their gifts.........

Or because their gifts are so very special they are not suitable for double blind trials.

Hakluyt Thu 07-Aug-14 19:27:57

Beyond- she said that ouija boards were dangerous.......

Flowerfae Thu 07-Aug-14 19:28:15

its just psychological most people who do a ouija board want the glass to move so it will, even though it doesn't seem like they are pushing it they are. Spirits do not need a portal but sometimes there can be activity after someone has used a ouija board but i'm not convinced its the board, it could be that it is a spirit who has been given permission etc but it could just as likely be because the people doing the ouija board are wanting it to happen. Human's only use a certain percentage of their brain, maybe we can make things happen if we want it enough, I don't know though just an idea smile

But they are dangerous, because they mess with suggestible peoples heads though, not because the antichrist has decided to talk only to becky and her friends grin

Flowerfae Thu 07-Aug-14 19:31:56

I've heard about Toys R Us selling them and don't agree with it, not because I think some kids head is going to spin 360 degree's and start spewing ectoplasm smile but because I think it could cause some psychological damage if taken too seriously by some people, especially some younger people. Its not appropriate to be a toy.

carlywurly Thu 07-Aug-14 19:37:25

I was highly sceptical but did it last year with a couple of woo friends and the glass genuinely seemed to hover and dart around the board. It was really bizarre. You couldn't have pushed it the way it was moving.

OneEggIsAnOeuf Thu 07-Aug-14 19:38:24

I believe that the Colin Frys of this world do not speak with the dead. the spirits show them things.

Many mediums including Colin Fry claim to be clairaudient, in which case they should be able to hear spirits as well as see them. Colin Fry was exposed as a fake quite some time ago - during a seance when he was supposed to be tied to a chair, the lights were inadvertently switched on and he was found on the other side of the room, holding up a trumpet that was supposedly levitating by itself.

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall Thu 07-Aug-14 19:43:13

I read The Exorcist when I was a teenager. Put me off for life. grin Yes I know its a story, but what if.......

Dont believe, but dont disbelieve either. I want to believe in that sort of thing, but I can totally understand the whole science way of thinking ie its a load of BS.

MollyHooper Thu 07-Aug-14 19:47:54

Of course you get audience members who go away remembering the incredible 'hits' and forgetting the inexplicable numerous misses, or ascribing their own meaning to vague statements or even who just go along with what the psychic says because they are too embarrassed to call them out in public. I bet Facebook and the internet has made a psychic's job a lot easier too.

I absolutely agree with you here 100%. I've even witnessed psychics being quite pushy with audience members when they are not going along with things. As in 'No? Are you sure there is no George? Well there is a George here. You may not remember now but it will come to you when you later, this is relevant to you'.

It's like oh yes, that person will go home and be like 'Fuck me! George, of course my dad! I forgot he was called that'

Also, I know for a fact that the horrible psychic who is now making money out of my family member got his information through social media.

SirChenjin Thu 07-Aug-14 19:48:07

I have no idea why he's not on TV noble - or maybe he is now, it was about 15 years ago. He obviously got the information from somewhere - but whether that was cold reading, or from my colleague (I'm going to discount that, he was genuinely very shocked and upset), or from another source I'm not going to speculate - I'm far too intelligent for that wink

SirChenjin Thu 07-Aug-14 19:52:49

But just before I'm accused of believing in mumbo jumbo generally, one of my friend's mother's is currently being fleeced by a medium who has persuaded her that her dead son's dog is channelling him, and she whiles away expensive evenings talking to her dearly departed son. Don't know about you, but that seems a bit odd to me...

SeaTurtleVomit Thu 07-Aug-14 19:57:56

Every time I've used a Ouija board it's freaked people out.

I'm the one controlling the messages. Thought it was funny to tell a friend he was going to die. He's still alive. grin This was a party though, and you know how kids like to gossip. So I knew a bunch of random shit, and made the Ouija board hint at personal stuff to give creepy stuff more credit. Everyone was good and freaked. A few friends took notes because they were convinced spirits were in the house. Another friend must have been in on it, because I got off and it was still saying stuff.

shock Or were they?

grin

My bf at the time was upset when I fessed up two years later because he believes in woo stuff and took the messages seriously. I had to. The date of friend's death prediction was coming up, and he (bf, not friend) was actually worrying about it.

Anyway they're fun. But they're only "dangerous" if you let them get in your head space. Not because there's actual demons coming through a silly game board.

Idontseeanyicegiants Thu 07-Aug-14 20:15:01

Does cold reading work on the same way as intuition then? Or is it along the lines of noticing something like a wedding ring and asking leading questions to find out probable family issues?
It's fascinating.
Anyway, no I wouldn't use a spirit board. I am fairly woo (Pagan so it comes with the territory) but have no belief in clairvoyants or party tricks to speak to the dead, however like other PP's I do believe they can be dangerous if used by the wrong people.
An old colleague of mine unexpectedly died about a month after using one despite being as non woo as you can get. Everybody else was totally freaked out but completely missed the fact that he was a walking heart attack due to diet, smoking and drinking anyway.

MollyHooper Thu 07-Aug-14 20:16:02

You know that makes you an Ouija troll, don't you Sea?

So mean. grin

U2TheEdge Thu 07-Aug-14 20:18:46

Well, apparently, the good mediums I have seen said they don't want to make money from it. None of the good ones I have been to charged a penny and they thought it was disgusting to take money.

I have seen cold readers, plenty of them in fact and I know the difference.

I am not claiming there is such a thing as spirits but I believe the people I saw believed there was. I don't know, but the old lady who was 80 didn't seem like she had it in her to purposefully fleece anyone when she paid her own travel expenses and didn't earn a penny. Who was she fleecing? she got nothing at all from it financially and that is the norm for the most part in spiritualist churches.

I am not going to rule out any explanation, except that they were told things about me, because that is simply not true. I just don't think we can know either way, while there certainly are crappy ones who pray on the vulnerable for money there are also many mediums who don't.

I did pay to see a medium once at a fete. Only cheap but he was meant to be great. You know what he told me? to buy sexy knickers and have more sex! I kid you not! my mum went to him after, but before I had a chance to tell her not to, and he told her the same thing.

So there are mediums who aren't out to fleece people and perhaps it is just a magic trick which they believe is real, because I can't see why they would go to great lengths for no financial gain.

I left spiritualism because I could no longer agree with their views on life and my logical side of my brain kept questioning things which had no answers.

I lean on the side that there is a logical explanation for it, but I disagree that all of them are cold readers and out to fleece people.

MollyHooper Thu 07-Aug-14 20:20:02

Some info on it here Idontseeanyicegiants.

Idontseeanyicegiants Thu 07-Aug-14 20:20:33

Thanks Molly.

BiscuitsAreMyDownfall Thu 07-Aug-14 20:32:27

U2 Ive also heard that the 'real' psychics and mediums dont charge, but how do you find them then? I went through a stage of seeing psychics and going to psychic fairs (for a fee). I only ever saw it as a bit of fun and just to see what was said. I never heard about any that were free.

Idontseeanyicegiants Thu 07-Aug-14 20:34:54

Bloody hell. That was actually quite shocking, the lengths people will go to in order to convince possibly vulnerable people that they can help them!
I've only ever seen one 'psychic' if Derek Acorah counts, he was actually quite funny up to the point where he brought a suicide into his show sad, the people were obvious plants though and I saw a clip of him at another venue not long after 'contacting' the same dead person with a different name ...

U2TheEdge Thu 07-Aug-14 20:37:38

I just went to spiritualist churches. You weren't guaranteed to have anyone come to you and some times I went months without people talking to me. I have been to a few fairs organised by the church as well.

Some were complete crap but others were good.

I haven't been for years, but I think I might go again on Sunday just to see how I feel about it now through an agnostic's eye instead of the spiritualist that I was at the time.

CarryOn90 Thu 07-Aug-14 20:38:10

My dad is very logical and straightforward but wouldn't have one in the house, even. He had a friend who used one and it really disturbed him. But it's in people's minds. It's a placebo effect type thing I think.

alemci Thu 07-Aug-14 20:47:38

why would you want to bother, I think it is best to stay away

SeaTurtleVomit Thu 07-Aug-14 20:49:44

Does cold reading work on the same way as intuition then? Or is it along the lines of noticing something like a wedding ring and asking leading questions to find out probable family issues?

I've done tarot cards.

You sort of just poke around a bit for a reaction and then go on that. Being "psychic" isn't hard. It's about micro-expressions and subtle body language.

It's also slightly about knowing a little about human psychology. Look up depressive writing. Unhappy people speak a certain way, happy people speak a certain way. People that have something to hide act a certain way.

The rule is mostly just, do no harm. Give good predictions, and people will make it a self fulfilling prophecy (and then credit you for "predicting" it).

Shannith Thu 07-Aug-14 20:50:07

Anyone watched any Derren Brown lately?

Then tell me that people can't influence other people to believe anything.

SirChenjin Thu 07-Aug-14 20:55:49

Politicians do it all the time Shannith - the crap that people will believe it astounding

queenofthemountain Thu 07-Aug-14 21:22:35

I once did one at a friends house when i was about 20 or 21 It came up with the name 'Stewey ' Don't know anyone of that name.and then the message .''Queen' killed Stewey on the ironing board.
I had swatted a fly earlier at home on the ironing board.Ha ha it must have been poor Stewey !!

Shannith Fri 08-Aug-14 09:48:06

sirchejin and queen must be the fly. No other reasonable explanation.

Until someone you knows that starts with an S has an unfortunate accident with a person starting with Q.

SirChenjin Fri 08-Aug-14 09:58:10

Bzzzzzzz......

Shannith Fri 08-Aug-14 10:14:26

Swat. There goes the S for you queen

1 down, one to go...

I can put a Q in my username if you want and it's all true smile

araiba Fri 08-Aug-14 11:10:19

what's there to understand?

it is a board with letters and numbers on. thats it. nothing more.

It is actually owned by Hasbro- the toy manufacturer

Its part of a whole industry that tries to separate the weak, vulnerable, stupid or desperate from their money. I include psychics, clairvoyants, homeopaths, astrologists in this group of complete guff

jammygem Fri 08-Aug-14 11:17:39

To derail the thread for a moment: part of my job involves bookings at the local theatres, and when we have a famous "psychic" come to our town, us staff always find it interesting how her 'promoters tickets' are dotted around the seats. Usually 'promoters tickets' are just one whole row - it would be interesting to see if the audience members she has the most luck with are sitting in those seats...

To come back to the thread - I've never tried a ouija board, but I'm so good at scaring myself silly I'm not sure I'd want to. I've heard many stories throughout the years, and that's been enough for me thankyouverymuch.

fluffyraggies Fri 08-Aug-14 12:00:00

I feel very sorry for all the vulnerable people who pay money to go to psychics for comfort. It's quite obvious these days (with the common knowledge of cold reading we have via Derren Brown, and knowledge about the power of suggestion etc.) that 99.999999999% of these psychics are fraudsters. Knowing and understanding this doesn't mean there is NOTHING to believe though. Nothing 'woo'.

Woo things fascinated me through teenage hood and my 20s and early 30s. Lots of strange experiences throughout my life (see all my posts on the current spooky thread - again! <yawn> grin) Even through all this it was fair to say i saw the fun side of woo and being scared. I didn't firmly believe anything. Can see how most stuff could be explained away. Never did an ouija board. Opportunity never arose.

One experience i had a couple of years ago has really rocked me. Not ouija board related. Broad daylight. It took a while before i could talk about it and now i'm left very wary and frankly confused. I certainly wouldn't touch a ouija board now. Nor be in a room with one.

How do they 'work'? Why do they work? Interesting stuff. Is it all in the mind? ... Mostly i'd say. I wouldn't want one in the house, because i'm not sure.

AlexVause82 Fri 08-Aug-14 12:08:14

I used one many years ago, just me and my friend. I wasn't moving it...I thought he was - but it spelt out his late grandfathers name and he was crying, tears literally bouncing off his face.

That whole evening was horrific and it really messed with my mind for months. I was convinced something was following me etc and I later suffered with mental health problems and now have anxiety.

Whether its true or not, just dont mess with them!

SirChenjin Fri 08-Aug-14 14:33:05

How about you just take the 'ann' and the h out of your name instead? smile

MyBaby1day Sat 09-Aug-14 02:20:50

I have heard SO many bad stories of people using them and my Mum (yes I know) but she has too. As for your question OP, any method like this to attract and contact the dead are wrong and I would advise anyone NEVER to have anything to do with one.

mollypup Sat 09-Aug-14 02:55:55

I did one when I was about 15 at my friends house which happened to be a converted barn. The 5/6 of us held our fingers so lightly on the glass and it began moving very quickly with substanial force. The 'person' was spelling out a whole manner of things, telling a detailed story. I cannot believe for a second anyone in that circle would have been able to do that so confidently, knowing where letters were that had only been laid out moments before.

mollypup Sat 09-Aug-14 02:57:49

Sorry, the relevance of the barn was that the story was being told by a young boy who had died in the barn many many years ago.

NewLeafExpat Sat 09-Aug-14 04:54:17

this whole thread freaks me out! no idea whether I believe in it or not but thinking about it too much scares me, therefore I would touch one!

Hakluyt Sat 09-Aug-14 06:31:43

a nice clear explanation of how it works

Anyone who's worried by all this, please read my link and stop worrying!

TalcumPowder Sat 09-Aug-14 07:57:45

Can I just point out again that the stories of 'bad stuff' are virtually all hearsay or involving suggestible kids/teenagers?

Hakluyt Sat 09-Aug-14 08:00:54

And happened a while ago and have therefore grown in the memory/telling.

sashh Sat 09-Aug-14 08:10:15

U2TheEdge

I would be thinking, "Why are you telling me about the wallpaper? I would rather know something useful"

TalcumPowder Sat 09-Aug-14 08:11:11

Absolutely. And often involves some knowledge of a tragedy associated with the place where the ouija board was used. For instance, did the participants in Mollypup's story a few posts up already know about the boy's death in the barn? Presumably the friend who lived in the converted barn knew the story and told it to the others...

Panzee Sat 09-Aug-14 08:26:49

Exactly, TalcumPowder. All the weird stuff that happened to us was when we were 15 year old drama queens.

SirChenjin Sat 09-Aug-14 09:49:32

Not here - I remember perfectly well what happened hmm

Are you suggesting that all bad things that happen to teenagers grow in the memory/storytelling? Or only the things that you don't believe?

Hakluyt Sat 09-Aug-14 09:53:09

"Are you suggesting that all bad things that happen to teenagers grow in the memory/storytelling?"

No, of course not. But many do. And the stories of bad things happening with ouija boards are all so very similar that there is a lot of folk memory and urban myth about them. Read the article I linked to. It's very interesting.

SirChenjin Sat 09-Aug-14 09:59:50

I did read your article, but I found the BBC one to be better. It certainly explains it.

I'm curious - "many" become worse? I disagree. Bad memories don't tend to become worse - they are already bad enough. We might forget the minutiae, but the overall recollection and feelings associated remains the same.

On that note, go to run.

Hakluyt Sat 09-Aug-14 10:01:13

Sorry, shorthand. Events become more dramatic with telling and in the memory, rather than worse.

FergusSingsTheBlues Sat 09-Aug-14 13:45:33

I did it as a joke. I am the ultimate cynic. I wasn't drunk of deluded, but yes, it spelt out the name Mary with real force and speed, the the word fuck then the glass flew off the table. We were stunned. Then we tried again! Haha. Nothing happened that time. Left us properly freaked out though, teenage bravado an all.

FatherSpodoKomodo Sat 09-Aug-14 14:26:11

I did a ouija board with some friends at a church youth club when I was about 11. It was in what used to be the old school attached to the church with all the old desks and stuff. Quite creepy.

Nothing happened. Obviously the spirits of the dead did not want to talk to a bunch of kids!

I've seen Derren Brown before, but can't really remember much of what he did at his show. He must have stolen my memory!

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