To be getting concerned about Ebola?

(42 Posts)
Meh84 Wed 30-Jul-14 06:50:42

Do you think it would reach the UK?

Everyday I'm reading more and more stories, and some of the front papers today suggest it might happen.

I'm actually feeling really worried about this right now....anyone else?

needaholidaynow Wed 30-Jul-14 06:57:06

Same here. I was reading about it when I couldn't sleep last night and I was pretty worried. My thoughts were that it could easily come over here by someone who doesn't realise they have it I.e during the incubation period.

NorwaySpruce Wed 30-Jul-14 06:59:14

Apparently this person is: mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2144409-Ebola?msgid=48577985

But no, I can't say I'm concerned for myself.

It is a horrible thing for people involved to be dealing with, and I can not tell you how much I admire the medics sticking with it, day after day.

But it is still pretty hard to transmit in the ordinary course of things, so my compassion and concern is directed more towards those actually suffering/at risk, than my really totally safe self.

If it mutates to the point where it's airborne, and asymptomatic during the transmission phase, I'll be slightly more concerned, but what can you do?

Medical research cannot be highly funded enough IMO, especially things like orphan drugs/diseases and obscure stuff.

It is really hard to transmit. The risk to the UK is low.

lucidlady Wed 30-Jul-14 07:05:17

I am starting to worry a bit. It's got to Nigeria, it's bound to be in the US after that poor man died and we've had 2 suspected cases in the UK too. In all honesty I think it's a matter of time.

Mostlyjustaluker Wed 30-Jul-14 07:09:18

Why do you think it is bound to be in USA?

ExcuseTypos Wed 30-Jul-14 07:09:51

We had all this scare mongering with Bird Flu. For 2 years running we were all going to die of it, according to the media.

It summer time, the press have little to write about so I expect lots of articles about how it will invade the uk.

lucidlady Wed 30-Jul-14 07:23:34

The chap who died in Nigeria was on his way to the US - he had vomiting and diarrhea on two flights en route to the US. Ebola is transmitted through bodily fluids. The chances of him being the only person on those flights heading to the US are somewhat slim I'd have thought.

Ifyoubuildit Wed 30-Jul-14 07:28:35

I'm more concerned about antibiotic resistance to be honest.

Meh84 Wed 30-Jul-14 07:38:08

I agree about the scaremongering - the DM are great at doing that!

steppemum Wed 30-Jul-14 07:59:00

I think the thing you have to understand is that you cannot get this by close contact with someone. It is not airborne, you cannot get it by sitting next to them on a bus/plane.

You need to exchange bodily fluids, so the vomiting man, you need his vomit to mix with your body fluids.

The reason the medics in west africa are wearing full body protection suits is not because they need they against transmission exactly, it is because the virus is so dangerous that they are going over the top to try and stay safe.

Also, the disease control has been very poor, hospital hygiene is not great. If there was a case in UK or USA, the disease control is very good, and so it could easily be contained.

Remember bird flu etc was airborne, and that epidemic didn't happen

MagnificentMalificent Wed 30-Jul-14 08:02:53

I was just going to post a thread about this.

I think it's quite unnerving. Usually the outbreaks are limited to remote african villages but it's now in cities.

It has the potential to be disastrous.

It's is highly contagious as caught through similar ways as norovirus (other than being airbourne). If someone is vomiting / has loose bowels and then contaminates toilets etc with traces of this, then it's possible for it to spread quickly.

eyebags63 Wed 30-Jul-14 08:02:53

Is it possible the virus could mutate some how and become airborne?

steppemum Wed 30-Jul-14 08:12:45

magnificent
There was an article in the sunday times this weekend. Basically, if you are meticulous about hand washing, then you will not catch it. That actually applies to norovirus too.
wash hands before touching any food, after using toilets, when arriving home from public places etc.

At the hospital in africa, there hasn't been meticulous hygiene (wrt hand washing) which has made it very difficult for the doctors trying to deal with it.

FreeSpirit89 Wed 30-Jul-14 08:13:43

If it happens, it happens.

There's not a lot we can do about it, so why worry. Keep yourselfs safe. Take precautions where possible and live life.

We were all meant to die of bird flu, then swine flu. It's just something to scare people with to sell more papers. As other have said if it does get over here the damage would be limited, unless it mutated to airborne

LightastheBreeze Wed 30-Jul-14 08:15:02

Just see this on the BBC news, there's going to be a COBRA meeting later

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28558783

hankyspanky Wed 30-Jul-14 08:30:21

I travel to West Africa fairly regularly. I was concerned enough to raise this with my Doctor about 6 weeks ago.

hmm I don't think speculation will help and the scare-mongering in some of the tabloids really doesn't make matters any better.

I think raising awareness of this awful disease can only be a good thing.

clam Wed 30-Jul-14 08:42:12

"we've had 2 suspected cases in the UK too"

Erm, "two suspected cases" that were found to be clear. So that's "no cases" in the UK.

Yet.

HowAboutNo Wed 30-Jul-14 08:46:41

I'm not hugely worried, I just feel huge admiration for the doctors in the thick of it, battling against it and obviously feel extremely sad for those who have it, it sounds horrific

It reminds me of that film Contagion and why I'm never going outside again

gordyslovesheep Wed 30-Jul-14 08:47:26

Gosh there is a fair bit of drama on this thread ... Look it's not airborne and not in the uk. It may come to the uk but unless you roll around in medical waste it's unlikely you will catch it. COBRA meetings are fairly standard and not an indication of a forth coming zombie apocalypse

HowAboutNo Wed 30-Jul-14 08:49:18

Should say - if you haven't seen Contagion, uh, don't. You'll never want to touch anything again grin

AuntieStella Wed 30-Jul-14 08:49:56

This Ebola AIBU thread has been running for a few days now, and has a number of posts (from posters with relevsnt expertise) and useful links.

Those who are concerned might like to look at it, because it's possible not all that information will be reposted on every Ebola thread.

FrankelandFilly Wed 30-Jul-14 08:51:22

The US citizen that died was not on his way to the US. He was heading back to Nigeria where he worked after attending the funeral of his sister who died of the disease. He was not due to travel to the US until August so there is no risk of the disease being there at present.

Goldmandra Wed 30-Jul-14 09:10:46

AS pointed out on the other thread, the best thing we can do is make some decent donations to Medecins Sans Frontieres whose staff are on the frontline, risking their own lives and trying to contain the outbreaks.

The more resources they have, the better they can manage it.

PittTheYounger Wed 30-Jul-14 09:13:03

i keep reading ebola and thinking

tigermoll Wed 30-Jul-14 09:38:43

In the nicest possible way, get a grip. this is tabloid scaremongering in order to sell papers. Ebola is both frightening and 'foreign' which is why the DM et al have fastened on to it - the scary African disease that's going to come over here and kill us all. In reality, there is simply no risk to the UK population.

ExcuseTypos Wed 30-Jul-14 10:16:37

I just went on the DM ot have a look, so you don't have towink

It's the top story with 3 other Articles about it.
It's so fucking irresponsible, scaremongering at its worst.

Anewmeanewname Wed 30-Jul-14 10:26:42

Yes, I've just had a look at the Mail Online and - low and behold - lots of stories about Ebola yet Gaza/Israel is nowhere to be seem. Interesting.

Mostlyjustaluker Wed 30-Jul-14 10:31:01

Lucid lady that man was planning on travelling to the USA but he did not board a plan which was bound to the USA. There is no way he can spread the diseases by think about getting on plane.

Numanoid Wed 30-Jul-14 11:15:36

In reality, there is simply no risk to the UK population.

Just because it doesn't affect us, doesn't mean it shouldn't be a concern. It affects other human beings, I would hope the government and humanitarian charities would be contributing to getting medical aid out to the affected places.

innogen75 Wed 30-Jul-14 11:17:14

Yanbu I am getting very concerned.

I realise they say it is hard to catch but in the same breath they say it is highly contagious. Why have so many of the doctors treating the infected succumbed despite the protective suits?

I think its just a matter of time before it gets here to be honest and I for one will be home educating if that happens. I dont trust young kids with hygiene. Its not worth the risk.

MTWTFSS Wed 30-Jul-14 12:35:55

YANBU. I just pray the people in charge know what they are doing!!!

Nancy66 Wed 30-Jul-14 12:38:40

Anewmean - don't know where you were looking there are currently 5 stories on Mailonline main page about Gaza

externalwallinsulation Wed 30-Jul-14 14:15:51

innogen - Please try not to worry. In answer to your question about why doctors are catching it, I think you underestimate how very messy medicine is at times! Those doctors are in environments where there are bodily fluids all over the place. Even with suits and lots of handwashing, they are at very much higher risk than the general population.

'Contagiousness' is a bit of a meaningless concept, one of those journalist shorthands that actually creates confusion and panic rather than clearing it up. It's not a word used much by epidemiologists: they prefer to define disease in more precise terms, like prevalence (the number of people infected at a time, which is very low for Ebola), transmissibility (how easy it is to catch, in Ebola's case, not that easy - it means exchange of bodily fluids) and virulence (the ability of the virus to replicate in tissue in a particular case, which is quite high for Ebola). Basically, this is a very rare disease that is quite hard to catch in normal circumstances, but nasty if do you get it. As I posted on another thread, please bear in mind that since records began there have only been 2,500 deaths from Ebola, whereas there are 500,000 a YEAR from your 'bogstandard' flu.

Thurlow Wed 30-Jul-14 14:35:21

I have to read all the newspapers every morning for work and the different takes on the ebola story were fascinating. DM scaremongering it to high hell, broadsheets being much more practical.

It is a worry as it seems to be a very large outbreak - but unless it mutates to become airborne, which is very unlikely, then countries with good healthcare systems are well set up to contain the virus. The Telegraph had a good article about it today. It's only highly contagious through bodily fluids, and the UK healthcare authorities are on alert for it, so they can easily quarantine people if they are worried.

Mammuzza Wed 30-Jul-14 15:18:06

DM scaremongering it to high hell

^^That.

So nice of the to lead with a map where they have coloured Italy pink... and then failed to mention the country again in the article.

<heads off to google.it with the hump>

Stratter5 Wed 30-Jul-14 15:39:24

The DM's coverage is appallingly irresponsible. Also, full of factual errors, and contradicting themselves; in one article, one of the infected US doctors is 'gravely ill', yet in another article he is sitting up in bed, working on his laptop.

The articles on the suspected UK cases are misleading, the titles read as if they actually have Ebola, the write up then confirms that they do not have the virus. And don't get me started on the bloody HK headlines. Follow the links at end of the articles, and the DM is running at least 8 separate stories, FFS.

tigermoll Wed 30-Jul-14 15:54:42

Numanoid, you're absolutely right - just because it's not in the UK doesn't mean it's not important. I just meant that a UK based person doesn't have to be scared of catching it.

brokenhearted55a Wed 30-Jul-14 16:14:22

It isnt just the DM. It's front page news on the Telegraph today.

Also: The US citizen that died was not on his way to the US. He was heading back to Nigeria where he worked after attending the funeral of his sister who died of the disease.

I know family is important to people but really...can they not have more sense. His sister died of Ebola and by going to her funeral he caught it and died and also took it to Lagos with him. I am sure his sister and parents if alive would rather he didnt go than end up dying of Ebola too.

His sister was tragically dead, there was nothing he could do about it. Why on earth put yourself at risk by travelling there and attending the funeral.

I thought his home was in Minnesota and he had travelled to Africa for her funeral and caught all those flights to Lagos because he was going home to the US.

Suzannewithaplan Thu 31-Jul-14 10:54:43

Afaik in order for the disease to become endemic there needs to be an animal host to act as a reservoir.

In Africa fruit bats are the reservoir, same goes for plague, it persists in some countries because it is carried by certain rodents and occasionally jumps into humans.

'successful' diseases don't kill their hosts, they adapt to live in symbiosis with them.

FrankelandFilly Thu 31-Jul-14 11:04:19

Article about US Ebola victim

Quote: "Sawyer said she and her husband were born in Liberia and that both immigrated to the United States and became citizens. Patrick Sawyer returned to Liberia in 2008 to work in the economic development sector, she said, and came home to visit every few months. But she hadn’t seen him for more than a year."

brokenhearted55a Thu 31-Jul-14 11:16:49

By going to Lagos though, he was returning to the US for his dds birthdays though. He was coming back.

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