Am I being 'disgusting' for letting my dog pee and poo out of my garden?

(123 Posts)
LST Fri 18-Jul-14 10:55:03

As, according to a woman I've just past on my wall with my dog I am hmm

He wee'd up a lamp post and pooed on the grass, but I did pick it up!! She tutted me and told me he should be better trained?

Just thought I'd give it to mn! AIBD??shock

ILoveTIFFANY Fri 18-Jul-14 10:56:56

So if it's ok on public ground why not in your own garden??

JustAShopGirl Fri 18-Jul-14 10:57:05

Hahahahaha - really? Well, mine is really badly trained - since he now waits for his walks to go poop.... (and I always clean it up)

LiberalLibertines Fri 18-Jul-14 10:57:13

No, the woman IB ridiculous.

What are you supposed to do? Carry a bucket around to put under your dog? Daft bint. What did you say?

LiberalLibertines Fri 18-Jul-14 10:58:25

Tiffany I'm sure it goes in the garden as well, but dogs do need walking you know hmm

To be honest as long as you pick up after your dog I really don't see the problem.

AlpacaYourThings Fri 18-Jul-14 11:00:32

Honestly, the anti dog brigade are becoming more and more bizarre.

No, of course YANBU.

ClaimedByMe Fri 18-Jul-14 11:01:24

My dog will not poo or pee in either of our gardens she does have 'poo spots' when we are out and I always pick up after her YANBU!

flipflopsandcottonsocks Fri 18-Jul-14 11:02:05

What an odd woman! YANBU! Okay, I guess it is a bit gross when you think about it, but we're a pet loving nation, probably the majority of people have/have had pets, so taking your dog for a walk and letting them wee and poo in public is fairly standard behaviour! Besides, there are an awful lot of things which I find more 'disgusting' than this!

Though this reminds me of my old dog, who for some reason would only wee over drains (not trained to do it, she just did!), and we used to get people stop and praise us for training her so well!

BreconBeBuggered Fri 18-Jul-14 11:03:12

She'd probably geared herself up to to have a go, and once you picked up the poo, that was the best she could manage.

InSpaceNooneCanHearYouScream Fri 18-Jul-14 11:06:15

Course YANBU. A quick 'Do fuck off dear' wouldn't have been out of place

CoffeeTea103 Fri 18-Jul-14 11:12:38

Yanbu, you picked up after so don't see what's the issue.

Viviennemary Fri 18-Jul-14 11:12:41

I hate dog mess. However, you picked it up so don't see what she had to complain about.

LST Fri 18-Jul-14 11:19:23

I just looked a bit confused an said mmm.. I'm not very witty sad

I always pick poo up. In fact I put my jacket on the other day and then realising how hot it was, took it off and left it at home! of course poo bags were in the pocket!! It took me 4 trips to the poo bin with poo wrapped leaves! grin

And he does wee in my garden and poo. In fact he normally goes for his poos in the garden. But I never thought it would be an issue for him to pee up a lamp post.

gamerchick Fri 18-Jul-14 11:23:35

But why does the poo have to hit the ground anyway? There are people who stick a bag under the arse when the dog squats... much better.

Course cleaning it up full stop is fine and better than leaving it. I wouldn't stop a dog leaving peemails though, that's just mean but it would be nice for the dogs could pick them up and leave one before being dragged off which I see often.

CaptChaos Fri 18-Jul-14 11:24:55

How weird.

You picked up, so where's the problem?

There are some truly bizarre people in the world.

LadyCordeliaFlyte Fri 18-Jul-14 23:06:48

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

fluffydoge Fri 18-Jul-14 23:17:11

gamer but 9 times out of 10 you'd end up with dog shit on your hand...

MyFairyKing Fri 18-Jul-14 23:20:32

People are beyond weird.

hoobypickypicky Fri 18-Jul-14 23:20:43

She's a fruitloop. You picked it up, what's the problem? It's what dogs do.

I await the time she meets a cow doing what cows do. What will she do then? Find the farmer and demand he puts a nappy on the cow?

sconequeen Sat 19-Jul-14 00:25:14

Well, it is quite disgusting when you think of dogs urinating over lamp-posts, pavements, then us having it on our shoes, buggy wheels etc and taking it into the house. I watched one come into my garden and flood urine all over my front path last week while the owner looked on. And don't get me started on dogs who piddle on my foodwaste bin when it's out for collection and which I then have to carry back in to the garden.

However, I don't think it's a training issue but more of a reflection really that keeping dogs in urban areas is actually pretty antisocial fundamentally. But I know that they are great company to lots of people, which is why I suppose the rest of us have to put up with this, along with them sticking their noses in the faces of small children and/or knocking them over, barking, running over to you and sniffing you/jumping up on you/running round your legs etc, and having their owners tell you not to worry because the dogs are just being friendly...

Aeroflotgirl Sat 19-Jul-14 00:35:24

i dont think i could own a dog as i would not like to pick up poo

MyFairyKing Sat 19-Jul-14 00:46:26

Aaa didn't take long, did it?! wink

Aeroflotgirl Sat 19-Jul-14 00:47:28

picking up toddler poo is hard enough, but dog poo ahhhghgh envy

TheWholeOfTheSpoon Sat 19-Jul-14 00:50:23

Where I live, you're regarded as weird if you do let them poop in your garden. Unless you hire the garden poop cleaning companies.

Staywithme Sat 19-Jul-14 01:10:24

myfairyking

grin and you know this is just the start of it, don't you?

CrohnicallyDepressed Sat 19-Jul-14 06:55:35

Poo wrapped leaves? I think you'd be better off wrapping the poo in the leaves. Less on your hands that way...

Georgina1975 Sat 19-Jul-14 07:05:24

The long piss streaks (from dogs) on pavements are a bit gross tbh. But, I don't mind as long as poop is picked-up.

I think cat owners should follow their furry friends and do the same.

JustAShopGirl Sat 19-Jul-14 08:21:29

much prefer to walk through dog pee on pavements than vomit, litter and fag butts from the 2 legged culprits.

LST Sat 19-Jul-14 12:58:43

Haha I indeed meant poo wrapped! grin

We were next to a massive field at the time. The lampost was on the pathway next to it.

evalyn Sat 19-Jul-14 13:21:16

What do we think about human pee or poo in public? Disgusting? Yes. If some drunk peed up a lampost in your street, would you be disgusted? Yes. If some toddler shat on the grass verge along your street whilst its mother stood by, would you be disgusted? Yes.

We have laws against (people) urinating in public places. We expect small children to be put in nappies until they're trained. How is dog pee/dog poo different?

Yes, you are being disgusting. That there are many people like you (most dog-owners) is no excuse. Just disgusting.

fledermaus Sat 19-Jul-14 13:29:50

Well yes, it is pretty disgusting - but fairly socially acceptable if you pick up the poo after.

ceres Sat 19-Jul-14 13:30:43

evalyn - what about free range cats and wild animals? lots of insects, rodents, foxes, badgers etc peeing and pooing everywhere.

or do you think they should be either toilet trained or put in nappies too?!

Toooldtobearsed Sat 19-Jul-14 13:36:25

Mine will ONLY pee and poo in our garden. We often drive out for a couple of hours, long forest walk, then home. The second he gets out of the car he runs, runs v v fast to get to the garden to relieve himselfgrin

I have 4 large rolls of poo bags if anyone wants them.......

And, funnily enough, I prefer a dog to poo and have it picked up than seeing rivers of pee running from one side of the pavement to the other. Not to be done about it, just urgh

LabradorMama Sat 19-Jul-14 13:38:12

Jesus wept. There are some extremely petty people out there (and on this thread) Of course YANBU, she obviously some kind of dog-hater (or goody fucker). When there are so many more significant things to get worked up about, it's absolutely pathetic that someone would choose this.

If you'd left a pile of shit there and walked away I could understand her having a go but criticising you even when you picked up? I'm utterly flabbergasted.

Icimoi Sat 19-Jul-14 13:40:04

evalyn, your life must indeed be hard if you get this worked up about pee and poo. If dogs didn't exist, even urban streets would still be full of pee and poo from foxes, rats and birds and, indeed, humans. For your own sake you need to learn to deal with it.

LabradorMama Sat 19-Jul-14 13:44:39

I have the opposite problem tooold, one of mine will not, under any circumstances, go in the garden. Neither will go whilst on their leads. There are very few places that get her stamp of approval but luckily, the grass at DPs work meets her exacting standards so she goes to work with him a lot!!

evalyn Sat 19-Jul-14 13:53:00

ceres: 'what about free range cats and wild animals?'

Well, if you were to bring a cat or a wild animal along my street to let it urinate or defecate, you'd be being disgusting. Or if I did so, I would be being disgusting.

No-one is suggesting it's the dogs that are disgusting, are they? Nope; it's the dog owners. ('Free-range' cat owners too, btw, of course.)

(Would you be OK with packs of wild dogs running round your streets, doing their business and scaring the children? Me neither.)

evalyn Sat 19-Jul-14 13:58:54

Icimoi -- I do deal with it. That doesn't stop the OP and others of the dog-owning tribe being disgusting, does it?.

Icimoi Sat 19-Jul-14 14:12:35

Animals urinate and defecate. It really makes little or no difference if the occasional bit of dog wee is added to all the other wee and poo in the streets.

ceres Sat 19-Jul-14 14:46:34

evalyn - we clearly have vastly different ideas on what qualifies as disgusting.

insanityscratching Sat 19-Jul-14 14:58:03

Our ddog only pees and poops outside of our garden blush The poor animal crosses his legs until he's walked if, like today, there is torrential rain and his first walk is delayed, rather than using the garden. hmm I pick up and bag and bin his mess so not much else I can do. She WBU to have a go at you when you had cleared up after your dog though.

Staywithme Sat 19-Jul-14 16:21:31

grin

I had the same thing happen to me OP. I was walking my old yorkie and he stopped for a poo. As I was picking it up and old woman living on the opposite side of the road starting berating me for allowing the dog to poo on the pavement. I did point out that I was actually in the process of picking it up but she went on to say it was disgusting and what if children were playing football there? Their ball could bounce where the poo was and get covered in germs! hmm I did point out that since we were near a blind corner I think the kids should play in the park 2mins away rather than the road. Some people, especially dog haters, will find any excuse to complain. Sheesh.

evalyn Sat 19-Jul-14 16:23:25

Icimoi: 'makes no difference', you say. But we think it makes a difference if people urinate or defecate just on the street; we have toilets and nappies (and laws about it). So why not the same for dogs? Birds, other wild animals, we have no control, perhaps. But dog owners should have control over where their pets do the dirty.

ceres: '... vastly different ideas on what qualifies as disgusting' indeed. But it's part of civilised behaviour to take account of others' sensibilities, no? If I didn't think it disgusting to pee on your front step that wouldn't make it OK for me to do so, would it? No, no more than you thinking it not disgusting to let your dog pee on the lamppost or poo on the grass verge makes it OK for you to do that.

It's my disgust at your dog's behaviour that behoves you to moderate it, just as your disgust at my peeing on your step behoves me not to do that. That's how civilisation works.

GreeboOgg Sat 19-Jul-14 16:28:04

I don't think I have ever met anyone, outside of MN, that gave a flying fuck about a dog pissing up a lamp post on a public road.

Unless your #1 hobby is licking lamp posts and pavements I really can't see why you'd care.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Sat 19-Jul-14 16:30:16

It is pretty minging (but socially acceptable) to allow your dog to piss and shit in public. The world would be a far nicer place if dog owners trained their dogs to use their own gardens.

Never going to happen though given the amount if dog owners who don't think their dogs shit is their responsibility.

ceres Sat 19-Jul-14 16:56:48

"It's my disgust at your dog's behaviour that behoves you to moderate it, just as your disgust at my peeing on your step behoves me not to do that."

Afraid not. Your disgust at a dog's (normal) behaviour in urinating or defecating just makes me think you are a bit odd.

if you decided to pee (or defecate) on my step that would be an offence which could see you end up with a fine or a conviction.

in the case of dogs, the offence lies in the owner not picking up their dog's faeces, not in the act of the dog relieving themselves in public.

Deverethemuzzler Sat 19-Jul-14 17:01:19

Fucking bonkers

Staywithme Sat 19-Jul-14 17:13:28

Some of the comments on here are unintentionally hilarious. If my dog was as anally retentive as some of the posters I'd have to give him an enema. grin

Boysclothes Sat 19-Jul-14 17:15:33

I love the way people obviously think the world is this pristine antiseptically clean thing until a dog comes along. No. It's absolutely covered in traces of piss, shit, sick, blood, spit, semen, mucus and every other fluid you can think of from every type of animal and living thing that exists. It's not disgusting and our bodies can cope with it totally fine.

Incidentally, I started a thread where as an aside to the main topic I noted that I had cleaned my dogs poo off the lawn. Cue literally millions of posts from the anti dog brigade expressing their horror that I let my dog poo in the same 300 square foot area as that in which my sainted toddler might touch his surgically clean feet and that I needed to train my dog to only do his business when out on his walks as a matter of absolute urgency. So you can't win. Just stick a cork up it.

Staywithme Sat 19-Jul-14 17:32:12

boys

^ Just stick a cork up it.^

Hahaha grin If I tried that with my old boy he'd probably shoot someone!

pieinthesky123 Sat 19-Jul-14 17:56:24

There is nothing more disgusting than removing a large ball of green human phlegm off a fluffy puppy paw after a walk.
It was the worst experience imaginable and much worse than scraping dog poo off a shoe. I always pick up after my dogs but have had three incidents of abuse from dog haters in the last month. Do they abuse people who close up one nostril to blow snot onto pavements and who do throaty sniffs to gather up phlegm to spit onto pavements too because that is equally disgusting.

paxtecum Sat 19-Jul-14 18:06:16

I sometimes wonder how people manage to wipe their own 'disgusting' poo off their own bums.

Dog wee is a lot less offensive than pissed up peoples' wee that seems to be in every city recess every weekend if not every night.

Don't ever go in the lorry parks at motorway services. The amount of human excrement lying around there is quite shocking.

SnakeyMcBadass Sat 19-Jul-14 18:10:01

I didn't realise that anyone would find dogs peeing on lampposts an issue tbh. The dog pees, it rains. Pee washes away. I quite happily hang about on walks while my dogs sniff and reply to weemails. It's an important part of a dogs communication. I'd be pissed off <arf> if someone came onto my property to let their dog piss, but lampposts and communal trees? Equivalent of the water cooler at work. I save my ire for the filthy bastards that leave dog poo on paths or inexplicably pick it up, and hand the bag somewhere like a Christmas bauble. I personally find cat wee more offensive, and one neighbourhood cat has taken to peeing on my garage door. It reeks. But, cats <shrug>

LST Sat 19-Jul-14 19:13:59

Wow I am absolutely gobsmackedshock I just thought this woman was a bit batshit but obviously she isn't alone.

I apologise for being such a disgusting human being....

LST Sat 19-Jul-14 19:16:57

Where sells dog nappies?? My ddog being a boy rarely actually poos outside the house but he does like too wee. I very much doubt you can stop instinct...

And for the record my dog is extremely obedient!

HeffalumpsnWoozles Sat 19-Jul-14 19:27:26

I'm crying with laughter at some of the comments on here. OP YANBU! What about rat/mouse wee & poo? Foxes, birds, even flies that land on food & then basically throw up on it? Do people really believe the pavements would be sterile if it wasn't for dog pee hmm

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

queenofwesteros Sat 19-Jul-14 19:39:13

Heffa I'm crying right along with you grin
Boys that's the best response yet. I've owned dogs for 35 out of my 44 years, I currently have 3 and I've never EVER experienced in real life the level of vitriol against dog owners that we get on MN. Some of the responses here are just utterly batshit.
You cannot "train" a dog to pee on command wherever YOU want it to. They use their pee as a form of communication, surely even someone with only a rudimentary understanding of animal behaviour knows that!
And as for dog nappies grin

GreeboOgg Sat 19-Jul-14 19:42:38

TBF I have seen otherwise sane people suggest nappies for horses, on account of there occasionally being horse poo on country roads. Once it gets to that point there's not much to do other than nod along and hope they stop speaking to you soon.

LST Sat 19-Jul-14 19:44:56

I thought there would be unanimous YANBU. But no. My poor dog will have to tie his willy in a knot.

This woman was the first person that I have ever met to have an issue with dogs.

DP is in hysterics at some of these responses. It's just a bit surreal to me... hmm

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

SignYourName Sat 19-Jul-14 20:25:52

<David Attenborough whispery v/o> "And here we are privileged to see a gathering - a "frothing", if you will - of the species Mumsnettus anti-canem. Rarely seen in the wild, their natural habitat having been over-run with normal people, they have adapted to a shy, online existence. Their cry of "YABU" is triggered by mention of anything canine-related. The cry reaches a particular pitch of excitability when exposed to discussion of dog urine or faeces, which seems rather ironic since one would expect them to be more naturally drawn to...batshit." </David Attenborough whispery v/o>

GreeboOgg Sat 19-Jul-14 20:27:30

SignYourName that's brilliant grin

LST Sat 19-Jul-14 20:30:07

Signyourname you've just made me spray cider all over my dog. grin

WatchingSeaMonkeys Sat 19-Jul-14 20:36:16

YANBU at all.

Our dog hates pooing in our garden & will hop around until we take him out. I pick every last speck up and, TBH, I find littering a more prevalent and nasty human habit.

I'm absolutely hoping that some numpty like evalyn or some other nutter will approach me now as I shall have such fun with them!! grin

evalyn Sun 20-Jul-14 10:20:16

WatchingSeaMonkeys: "I'm absolutely hoping that some numpty like evalyn or some other nutter will approach me now as I shall have such fun with them!!"

Ha! Well, glad to have made an impression; meeting is probably unlikely, but at least eagerly anticipated on both sides.

Thing is, monkey & co., take a look at yourselves. You've found here on MN that there are some people with a whole different view - very unexpected, it seems, to some of you - about dogs, shit, piss and the public domain. Does finding out that other people don't share your sensibilities give you any pause for thought? No. It's sad, but, no. You're just confirmed in your hitherto-unchallenged and unreasoned dogma.

As for the kinds of responses - talk of wild animals and other blank non-sequiturs alternate with abuse and ridicule of a point of view you just don't understand and arguments for that point of view you seem wholly unable to grasp, much less respond to in anything approaching a reasonable fashion.

Someone disagrees with you? Never mind what they say in support, ignore it and call them names. That'll do nicely.

Oh, well, tant pis.

"O wad some Pow'r the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us!"

MN certainly has no such Pow'r.

LST Sun 20-Jul-14 10:31:54

But seriously.... why does dog wee bother you??? We've had shite loads of rain.. it's gone. My dog pooing is exempt as I pick it up but wee? Seriously!

SignYourName Sun 20-Jul-14 11:22:39

There's having a different POV - interesting, stimulating, thought-provoking - and then there's being so hung up on an issue as to appear borderline (or worse) irrational.

A wide variety of animals pee in what we think of as "in public". An even wider variety of substances, some of them human in origin, are also to be found in public spaces. Dog urine is probably one of the least noxious, given that the fluid intake of the vast majority of dogs is 100% water, and in the UK rain-prone climate is one of the most easily and most frequently washed away.

So why do certain people get so hung up on dogs peeing? Is it because they see it happening where they are less likely to see wild animals in the act of evacuation / people vomiting / sex acts (human and animal) and all the other things that make up the invisible layer of "stuff" we encounter every day? Is it because they automatically associate urine with "being dirty" (it's a sterile substance at the point it leaves the body)? Or is it yet another stick to beat all dog owners with because they don't like dogs / had an unfortunate encounter with an irresponsible dog owner once and now tar all with the same brush / don't understand, or want to, dog behaviour, instinct and what can and can't be trained?

Icimoi Sun 20-Jul-14 11:36:50

evalyn, the problem is that you seem unable to explain your point of view, and you are certainly unwilling to consider any alternative. Your posts come down to saying little more than "dog pee is disgusting" whilst wholly refusing to engage with any alternative view.

It does amaze me how some MNers have such massive hang-ups about poo, pee and dirt. By definition the majority of people round here have changed hundreds, and probably thousands of nappies, have wiped dirty bums, mopped up vomit, wiped dirty noses, washed pooey clothes, and generally coped with all the filth children can bring into their lives. Yet the thought of a bit of extra water-based wee in a filthy street which will be washed away by rain makes them go "Ew! Disgusting!"

Hillbilly71 Sun 20-Jul-14 11:47:33

Yanbu but if I have a dog I would like to train it so it will go on command like guide dog trainers train their dogs to.

cindydog Sun 20-Jul-14 11:55:23

YABU , You should have power hosed the spot where your dog peed and then wiped it down with Jeyes fluid.( if I knew how to insert grin smiley ,it would be here)
Stupid woman probably has 6 cats that piss and shit everywhere .

GreeboOgg Sun 20-Jul-14 11:57:15

From dog pee to solemn Robert Burns quotes in 3 short pages. Excellent.

Zucker Sun 20-Jul-14 12:01:08

Tell me this isn't true....People down at a dogs bum, while he squats to do a poo, with a bag to catch the poo before it hits the ground.

NOoooope, people can't be doing that are they?

Staywithme Sun 20-Jul-14 12:05:55

^Tell me this isn't true....People down at a dogs bum, while he squats to do a poo, with a bag to catch the poo before it hits the ground.

NOoooope, people can't be doing that are they?^

Haha Zucker. Let's hope the dog never has a runny one!

SignYourName Sun 20-Jul-14 12:10:19

My dog "travels" while he poos. If I could keep up with him and catch it before it hits the ground, I'd deserve a call-up to the England cricket team.

Since I'm not a contortionist I'll stick to walking sedately behind him and picking it up just after it lands.

Staywithme Sun 20-Jul-14 12:13:39

signyourname

My old yorkie likes to do the doodoo dance too and since his ass is so close to the ground, I'd do my back in before the second nugget. grin

ShineSmile Sun 20-Jul-14 12:19:20

Tbh, it is dirty. Imagine if humans did the same, it is disgusting. But it's got nothing to do with lack of training, and it isn't your fault.

stardusty5 Sun 20-Jul-14 12:22:51

Funny thread! I'm always amazed at how uptight some people are about normal bodily functions. That delicious food that you shovelled primly into your mouth simply comes out the other end in a different form. Of course its a bit unpleasant but do we really have to be phobic about it??

YADNBU OP

SignYourName Sun 20-Jul-14 12:25:14

Staywithme grin Occasionally he catches me out by walking round in a circle. If he's in long grass and therefore hidden from general view, to any casual observer I must look as though I'm investigating the smallest crop circle in the world.

queenofthemountain Sun 20-Jul-14 12:26:05

Do you imagine when you pick up the dog poo from the grass in the park, there is absolutely no trace for the little girl cartwheeling to get pathogens on her hands?

HoneyDragon Sun 20-Jul-14 12:29:32

Some people's holidays must be ruined totally by all the whale, shark and fish shit in the sea they want to swim in.

And turtles do it on the beach too, because they are dirty uncivilised fuckers.

And as for them bastards Greenpeace, enabling whales to shit where they like.

Bastards.

SignYourName Sun 20-Jul-14 12:32:51

I don't walk my dog in a park where children play, so she can cartwheel where she likes. If she tried to play in the field where I walk my dog, the nettles, thistles and Weils-disease-infected rats piss would get her before the microscopic traces of dog shit left in the seconds before I pick it up did, tbh.

evalyn Sun 20-Jul-14 12:33:27

SignYourName: 'There's having a different POV - ...' Yes, that's fine and dandy for the debating society or coffee morning. Out here in the real world, we often are faced with other POVs (PsOV?) that we find less than 'interesting, stimulating, thought-provoking', but which nevertheless are the obverse of our own POV. What to do then?

I find the POV of many dog owners perverse. They mine, similarly. What to do? I think it'd be civilised and sensible if we each did our best to accommodate the other's POV even if we find it uninteresting, non-stimulating and thoughtless.

Here, let's try. Why not split our parks and public spaces so that some spaces are dog-free? Roads? Difficult when we all share: perhaps, though, you dog-owners, in your awareness of other POVs, could mitigate your dogs' excretions as much as you can rather than glorying in them? Hein?

Label some parts of parks, beaches, etc., 'dog-friendly'? Then we allergic dog-dislikers can watch safely from a distance. (Perhaps wistfully and a bit envious of the fun you obviously have with your pets? I dunno. I don't get it, really.)

Parts of some parks, some beaches, are already 'dog-free' zones. Dog owners, try to keep aware of which they are, and keep your pets away. Then I might not in future have to do what I did last week, clean dog turd off my dgc (toddler) playing in the sand on a 'no dogs allowed' beach. (Yes, I know, I know, everyone round here picks up their dog's shit. 'It wasn't me, Miss, it wasn't me!' Funny there's so much dog shit around, really, given all you picker-uppers.)

As for wee up the lamppost in my (suburban) street. It's not the worst thing in the world, sure. (None of the dog-related stuff is as bad as ... well, read the news, there's lots of choice.) It's disgusting, though, to some of us, just as human wee in the same place would be. I dislike it (dog wee on my street) for the same reason I dislike picking my way across rivers of human wee when I venture into the town centre sometimes late on weekend evenings.

That's the main reason, I guess; but the risk of leptospirosis, though small, is not zero, for another. (And, again, yes, yes, rat urine, fox urine, same risk ... but no-one's bringing a pet rat or fox round here that I can see, there's little that can be done with wild animals, and why add risk however small? I like wild animals, btw, and enjoy their presence in my garden and surrounding area. It's pets I dislike. Strange? I know some find it so. But I find pet owners weird, weird. Go figure.)

And thinking of diseases from dogs, I wonder if you think that 'picking up' your dog's shit obviates the risk of toxocariasis in any toddler passing by with toddlerish proclivities. (Hint: It doesn't.)

Sorry, so long. that's probably more than enough, anyway. Picnic beckons.

SignYourName Sun 20-Jul-14 12:37:36

Here's the thing evalyn: some, indeed many, of us dog owners already do everything you suggest but we still get lumped in with the irresponsible ones. So we do get a bit pissed off and flippant when the same old argument creaks round again.

WatchingSeaMonkeys Sun 20-Jul-14 12:43:24

Picnic beckons

Don't sit on the grass FFS - we'd never hear the end of it!!

If you do please use a blanket, otherwise some poor child may cartwheel through the sweat patch caused by wearing those double thick judgey pants!! grin

Staywithme Sun 20-Jul-14 12:53:53

I really should stop having a wee noisy at this thread. Evelyn's making me laugh so much I've got the hiccups. grin

SignYourName Sun 20-Jul-14 13:53:46

I really should stop having a wee

You and your dog both, Stay... ;)

GreeboOgg Sun 20-Jul-14 14:50:08

Ah, wild animals = nice, not disgusting. Pet animals = not nice, disgusting. People have pets = weird.

Got it. Society shall begin your desired segregation at once.

Staywithme Sun 20-Jul-14 15:12:15

You and your dog both, Stay... ;)

grin

LST Sun 20-Jul-14 15:34:31

I would love a dog park. But you'd always get a berk with kids who are terrified of dogs sitting in the middle having a picninc angry angry

queenofthemountain Sun 20-Jul-14 16:39:44

what do you do when your dog diahhorreas (sp)?

sconequeen Sun 20-Jul-14 16:39:57

Well said, evalyn.

The problem is that there are just too any dogs. Anything or anyone crapping and piddling (or exuding other bodily fluids for that matter) where lots of other people (including small children) have to walk, push buggies etc is pretty disgusting. Yes, wildlife do it too but the problem is that the dog population is artificially high because so many people keep them as pets, and, because they walk them where people walk and spend leisure time, you are far more likely to encounter their excrement. Just in the past few days, I have had my kids' toys land on dog dirt at a beach and had to pick my way through dog dirt on beach paths where dog-owners are particularly asked not to let their dogs foul the sand or paths. Oh, and had yet another nippy little terrier coming up and jumping on me while the owners smile sweetly and say he's just being friendly.

I know a lot of people get company and a lot of enjoyment from dogs, which is why I do my best to be very tolerant in RL. For what's it's worth, I come from a family where we had lots of pet dogs and I was very fond of them.

I'm not saying it's a training issue or that the OP is disgusting, just that dog-owners should be aware that not everyone has the same POV as they do.

insancerre Sun 20-Jul-14 16:49:48

What about horses?
Should the owners pick up after them?
And cows and sheep won't somebody think of the ramblers?

zeezeek Sun 20-Jul-14 18:34:08

evalyn - what do you do about bird shit then? Or would you like to put seagulls in nappies?

I do hope you don't live in the countryside.....

insancerre Sun 20-Jul-14 19:50:35

We should train all the birds to shit on Evalyn' s windows
that'll learn 'er

HoneyDragon Sun 20-Jul-14 20:45:49

Queen

I knock on someone's door and ask if they can spare some water. I also carry wipes for any occasional -ahem- pavement residue.

Icimoi Sun 20-Jul-14 20:56:05

And thinking of diseases from dogs, I wonder if you think that 'picking up' your dog's shit obviates the risk of toxocariasis in any toddler passing by with toddlerish proclivities. (Hint: It doesn't.)

But that risk still exists even if no dog shits in the vicinity at all. Same with the little girl cartwheeling. There will be bird, rat and fox poo and wee traces come what may.

Tadla Sun 20-Jul-14 22:35:25

evalyn fair enuff - there are too many nasty dog owners who just dont give a sh*t where there dog has sh*t.

Picking it up is 100x better than letting it lie there to be stood in or wheeled through.

i also find wild animals poo much more tolerable than dogs/cats because its you know, wild (!) and there is nothing you can do about it whereas dog owners choose to care for an animal to should be responsible for cleaning up the crap.

oh and insancerre, dont be nasty.

UncleT Sun 20-Jul-14 22:40:56

She's an idiot to criticise you if you cleared it up. Ridiculous.

evalyn Mon 21-Jul-14 09:39:45

zeezeek: ''*what do you do about bird shit then?*'

zeek, and all the rest of you who take this line, you misunderstand the issue. It seems so obvious I initially thought it was deliberate, but I'm thinking maybe not. The comparison is not between dogs-and-their-owners and other wild creatures. Birds who shit on my garden (yes, and windows) don't have owners. You need to get the right comparison class.

Look. If you brought a bird along on a lead and tethered it to my hedge then watched it shit on my drive it would be disgusting. Likewise if you brought your pet rat and watched as it pissed on my doorstep. Disgusting. Not that the bird or the rat did what comes naturally to all mammals and birds, but that these animals are owned and their owners get them to defecate where they do.

If I bring one of my dgc and allow him/her to toddle over to your drive and do a dump on it, it would be disgusting. No? That being true doesn't entail that birds need nappies, does it? Huh? Your argument is the scrawniest straw man I've come across in ages.

I live close enough to the country to have lots of wild life around. I enjoy seeing baby foxes in my garden; I put food out for birds (and try to chase cats away when they come predating - cats have owners, see, they're not part of the natural world in that sense -- it's unfair, dammit, that people keep pets that kill bullfinches and blue tits for fun after they're given food to eat!).

I wage war on squirrels, whilst enjoying the battle and that they're there, clever little creatures they are. (See the difference with cats? Hein?) I like seeing and hearing the frogs around my little wild pond, and waiting of an evening to see the vole make its way along the side of the river nearby. There's a pair of sparrow-hawks nest in the copse over the way; we only get to see them in autumn, really. All of these animals and birds evacuate waste, just like we human animals do.

None of these animals is brought round by a self-styled 'owner' who takes offence when I shoo them away. It would be disgusting if someone brought one of them along tied to a bit of string or whatever, and watched insouciantly as it shit on the verge or pissed up the lamppost. Disgusting. Same with dogs-and-their-owners. Disgusting.

MyFairyKing Mon 21-Jul-14 09:49:58

My dog only poos in our garden but he pees up lampposts. I don't let him near people's walls or front garden because that's their property. How do you propose I stop him pissing on public grass or on a lamppost? A nappy?! Banning dogs from the streets won't work, how the heck do I get him to this lovely dedicated dog park (who's going to fund that by the way??) if he can't walk along to the streets to get to it? I don't think you've thought this through at all.

Also talking of strawmen wink you cannot compare humans (with consciousness, morals and cognition and who are subject to the laws of the land) to animals who do not realise it's unacceptable to pee in public. I'm sure you're going to tell me that the human should stop them but I refer you back to my above questions, how?! Apart from banning dogs which is clearly what you want and if you're an animal lover, why dogs? Most of us are respectful and decent owners. Anyway, so, if you let your child crap in public, it's not quite the same. Good try though!

plinkyplonks Mon 21-Jul-14 09:52:27

YANBU - as long as you cleaned up after the dog, I don't see the problem.

SignYourName Mon 21-Jul-14 10:25:31

It is illegal for a human being to defecate or urinate in public.
It is illegal for a dog owner to fail to pick up their dog's faeces from public places.

There is no legal responsibility on a dog owner to prevent their dog from urinating in public.
There is no legal responsibility on a dog owner to clean up after their dog if it urinates in public.
There is no legal responsibility on a cat owner to prevent their cat from roaming.
There is no legal responsibility on a cat owner to clean up after their cat if it defecates or urinates in public or on someone else's property.

The OP complied with the law as it stands. The person who approached her and took issue with her was unreasonable.

Fairly easy to understand, hein?

evalyn Mon 21-Jul-14 10:33:53

MyFairyKing, heartfelt thanks for keeping your dog shit in your own garden! If everyone did that, I'd probably accept the occasional pee-up-a-lamppost as a quid pro quo. What chance? Anyone else?

Your question about 'how' to stop a dog you own doing its business where you don't want it: Think of our small children. My own children, the people I love most (sorry, DP!) in the world, I made them wear horrible uncomfortable smelly wet/shitty things - nappies - out of concern for others' sensibilities about their pee and poo. If we do that to our children, why not to our (your) pets?

I know people will scream and laugh at the suggestion, but really, why not? Do you think a dog's feelings are more important than a human child's? I guess some people think that. Me, I think that's just crazy.

The long and the short is: we organise our lives and those of our children to avoid their pee and poo getting everywhere despite the feelings of the children themselves ... Why not organise things in a similar way with regard to pets? (You, fairyking, manage it with poo. Hooray! Come on the rest of you lot! And get thinking about the wee problem!) Is it that hard?

I know the answer, really. To some of you, your pets are more important than your children. To others of you, you think that's not the case but your actions prove otherwise. As I said earlier in the thread, weird.

Threads such as this won't change minds or behaviour much, sadly. But I hope it brings home to some of you dog owners just how weird and inconsistent your ideas are.

(Of course there's none so blind as them that won't see, as my old mum used to say.)

Staywithme Mon 21-Jul-14 10:45:48

I know people will scream and laugh at the suggestion,

Yes, indeed, you're right. That's hilarious.

HoneyDragon Mon 21-Jul-14 10:46:04

What about about potty training and wee in the supermarket or a stray poo in the ball pit that other children could cartwheel in?

What about elimination communication that child owners choose to practise without regards for others?

evalyn Mon 21-Jul-14 10:49:06

SignYourName:
"It is illegal for a human being to defecate or urinate in public."

-- Not if said human being is aged two (say).

It might be that a two-year-old's parents were held to be acting in a disgusting manner if they habitually allowed said small human being to defecate or urinate in public, however.

(But do you really think that nothing legal can be unreasonable, as your post implies? Really?)

scandip Mon 21-Jul-14 10:52:54

Quite often mine won't go until we're out having a walk. I pick it up. I don't see the problem.

MyFairyKing Mon 21-Jul-14 10:53:37

My dog doesn't have feelings, he is an animal, with animal instincts. grin

Ilovexmastime Mon 21-Jul-14 10:55:01

Of course YANBU! This woman was obviously not the sharpest tool in the box, or maybe she was just in the mood for winding someone up that day?

Sapat Mon 21-Jul-14 11:09:35

I think dogs in towns are revolting and I would expect dog owners to train their dogs to do it in their garden, not in public spaces if possible. I don't have a garage, pushchair lives in the house, I think it is gross that dogs wee all over the pavements. I constantly have to tell kids not to walk in grass when out because of dog poo. It is utterly gross. I love cats (and don't have one) but I get really pissed off that my garden is constantly used by neighbours' cats. Yes cows poo, but it is on private land.

evalyn Mon 21-Jul-14 11:11:27

MyFairyKing, of course your dog has feelings! What strange things people say in an argument! Does it not feel pain, for instance?

My computer, Winchester Cathedral ... such things don't have feelings. With some animals it might be debatable (crabs? mosquitos?), but all mammals have feelings. Instincts, yes. Feelings too.

(And thanks again for keeping all your dog's shit in your own garden. You're a star, MyFairyKing, a star! Others take note.)

Downtheroadfirstonleft Mon 21-Jul-14 11:51:24

I give my dogs plenty of opportunity to go, in our garden, before I walk them. There is the odd wee or poo out (I bag the poo, leave the wee), but I try to minimise it. Why should people have to walk/ wheel over preventable wee or poo??

Canidae Mon 21-Jul-14 12:22:48

A farmer moved her sheep to another field last week, they had to go past my house and along a lane to get there. Sheep poo everywhere. It is also two minutes from a school.

All those children stepping, hopping and cartwheeling through sheep poo.

My own dog likes to wee on horse poo. I guess that is doubly disgusting.

zeezeek Mon 21-Jul-14 13:34:24

evalyn

Woah.

The impossible has happened.

I am speechless in the face of such "logic"

grin

rocketjam Mon 21-Jul-14 13:45:58

Well... it depends where it is, there is this women who always walk her massive dog on the path next to our primary school and lets her dog wee on the gate to the school, next to where the children go in he playground. I don't like the idea of children walking in puddles of dog wee before going in their classrooms. If the woman had a bit more common sense, she could encourage her dog to wee on the other side of the path, on the grass area, maybe? Or is that too much to ask you think?

Anyway, I don't generally see a problem with what the OP is saying, as long as you pick up the poop. And take the bag with you - not leave it there like some eejuts often do, and don't think about putting it in my wheely bin either!

Also, could dog walkers stop taking their dogs in cemeteries and church grounds. I find it absolutely disgusting when I go and visit where my friend's ashes have been scattered, behind a beautiful church in London, and see dog walkers let their wee and pop on gravestones.

MyFairyKing Mon 21-Jul-14 13:46:06

My dog cannot feel embarrassment or shame. That's humans projecting onto animals. There is no proof of this level of cognition in animals.

This thread is hilarious though. Only on MN do so many anti-dog people live in places where there is barely any grass yet as it's covered in dog/cat poo. Conversely, on MN, dog owners recognise that there are some really skanky places with lots of dog poo from selfish dog owners. Newsflash: we don't like it either. Exaggerating rarely wins you an argument.

LST Tue 22-Jul-14 07:55:49

I hate irresponsible dog owners too. One has just let it's fucking dog chase and rip at my dogs leg. They are bastards angry

mollypup Tue 22-Jul-14 09:31:03

evalyn just because something is 'owned' does that then render it incapable of any natural instinct? A dog may be trained to go outside but it is completely unnecessary to contain it in one specific place. Cats have owners, but are considered free roaming in the eyes of the law i.e. doesn't really have an owner and therefore cannot be held accountable for the instinctual need to kill a bird despite devouring a tin of whiskas not long before. Do you really have nothing to worry about other than the miniscule risk of you or your darling children contracting some unthinkable disease? The need for you to be so highly strung must have such a negative impact on your life, it's quite saddening really.

MyFairyKing Tue 22-Jul-14 11:03:50

LST I dislike bad dog owners too and I would never defend them. It drives me mad when they leave their dog crap in the grass that my dog plays in. It's really hard to get poo cleaned off his fluffy paws! Sometimes I think the anti dog brigade forget that dog owners don't like seeing dog crap either.

LST Tue 22-Jul-14 11:40:05

Ahh that's where you are mistaken. A pass time of the dcs and me is to see who can find the most dog shit to stand in, in under a minute! wink

WatchingSeaMonkeys Tue 22-Jul-14 12:58:45

Do you think a dog's feelings are more important than a human child's?

Well, does your child care that my dog may have poo'd on a piece of grass a week ago? Really, Honestly? Nope, thought not....

A Human Child wouldn't give a shit (sorry wink ).

I do think that my dogs natural behaviour (that I clear up) is more important than your prissy feelings.

So please forgive me if I keep on letting him wee & poo outside of my garden. Maybe if you focussed on the people who don't clear up after their pets you'd get a bit more sympathy.

As it stands I shall continue to show this thread to my mates & hooting with laughter....

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